February 17, 2026 • 58 mins
The Target List reunion is here 🎬🔥. Writer John Reizer joins actors Robb Russo (Mr. X) and Krystal Lynn for a powerful round table celebrating the film’s third anniversary. From streaming success on Tubi and beyond to tackling big pharma conspiracies with action and satire, we dive into what makes this indie thriller resonate years later. 🎥💥 We talk character evolution, behind-the-scenes moments, streaming milestones, and the deeper themes of good versus evil. If you love independent cinema with a message that matters, this episode is for you. 🎞️✨
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Speaker 5 (00:59):
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let them know that we are about to dive deep
into another interview. Before I bring my guests on, I
do want to say that this is the frequency of
the fearless. You know, don't lose sight of the power
of a story that refuses to stay small. Three years ago,
(01:32):
we step into a world where science meet danger, where
innovation threatened empires, and where good stood eye to eye
with something darker. A film built on courage, a film
built on conviction, A film built on the idea that
when truth challenges, power pushes back. So tonight, is it
(01:56):
just a recap that's actually a reunion? I have my
I don't know what you call these things, but they
make coffetti. I don't know it's gonna make a miss.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
But that's not my problem right now.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Anyway, We're sitting at the table with the minds and
the faces behind target list, a story that dared to
ask uncomfortable questions, blend action with satire, and turn conspiracy
into cinematic confrontation. This isn't just about a movie. It's
about a belief. It's about resistance. It's about what happens
(02:30):
when art challenges into institutions. And you're not just here
for a talk show. And this isn't just radio. This
is revival for your mind, body, and spirit. This is
Vigilantes Radio Live. My name is Koshdini and change is possible.
Are you ready?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Are you ready? Are ready?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Are you ready?
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Let's go, Let's go, let's go.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Are you as cited where I am very excited Again.
You're listening to vr L. That is Vigilantish Radio live
right here on my iHeart Radio. My name is Coach Deani,
of course, and our interviews are designed to go beyond music, news, books, art, acting, films, technology, education, entrepreneurship, entertainment, spirituality,
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and sometimes even.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Past that thing that we call the ego.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Our interviews are designed to go behind the scenes into
the minds of these brilliant human beings, you know, the
ones who are out there giving it. They're all for me, for.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
You, and for the world.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Well, ladies and gentlemen, tonight's guests, Well, first up, we
have Judd and Riot. He is the co screenwriter of
Target List, author of the original novel, and a retired
chiropractor turned storyteller known for weaving controversial things with high
(04:13):
energy pacing. He continues building a catalog of thought provoking
works across the film and fiction.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
So that's John. And then we have Rob Russo.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
He is an actor musician whose career continues to gain
momentum with roads and feature films including dust Lands and
My New Friend Jim and Target List. He plays the
calculated and chilling doctor, not doctor mister X. Rob brings death, charisma,
(04:43):
a lot of is right.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
That's what the kids are saying.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
He has to read, is and present to every performance.
So that is Rob. My kids gonna say, Dad, you
can't say that. You're too old to say riz, So
my bad kids. And then next up we have still Land.
She's a multi faceted artist, painter, filmmaker, producer, creative director
(05:06):
and actress oh my gosh, who believes art is best
pressed through complexity. Beyond acting and target List. She builds
immersive artistic experiences through her project on Harvest, blending painting, poetry,
storyteller and community engagement. Crystal understands both the creative and
(05:28):
the business side of art and how human connection fuels both.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Gotta have both of those, right.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
So when a culmination, all right, all right, without any
further ado, here's the trio John Crystal and.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Raw Hello, Hello, I think she's having us.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Yeah, all right out.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
Here Rob, Yeah here, I am hey, going on not
too much.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
It's cheers for having us.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Yeah, This is really really cool get a chance to
talk about a project that we did a little while ago,
and it's it's just the something I was glad to
be involved with.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
So it's nice to be able to speak about it now.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Absolutely absolutely. What about Crystal Hi, can you hear me? Yes,
Crystal clear, I had no pun attended.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I see what you did there.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yeah, I try sometimes probably a little too hard, Doctor John, aging,
Doctor John. Okay, I'm sure he'll chime in when uh, whenever,
he whenever he can. So Rob Speagan with you had
(06:50):
a chance to comb through your resume. Man, you have
some impressive things going on.
Speaker 8 (06:55):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
But looking back at uh, yes, for sure, looking back
at mister X, now, what do you understand about him
psychologically that maybe you didn't fully grasp during the filming?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Gosh, I feel like, you know, there's a duality to
all of us.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
You know, we have our masks that we wear, uh,
you know, do whether the way you present in public
or the what's really on your mind. I think he's
he was a character that I was able to bring
a little bit of both to, Like, there's a sense
of genuineness to him as far as you know, he's
this man that's contracted to be a farm you know,
(07:35):
a contracted killer for the pharmaceutical industry. But he's got
his besides what he's focused on for that, he's still
got his little quirks and whatnot. I tried to bring
to it. You know, he's he's a real guy. You know,
he's not just I tried to make him not a
two dimensional character as far as what is you know,
what he's about, as as he proceeds to go through
(07:56):
with what he's got to do for his career.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
You know.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
Uh, there's there's a time in the movie where one
of the guys that's paying me off, you know, the
intermediary that's giving me the funds to do what I'm doing.
I remember this scene where I get to really show
my annoyance that.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Is the incompetence, and you know, it was just fun
to play with.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
There's little moments of levity in it that I got
to play because he's more than a two dimensional character.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
So that's what I felt about that.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Yeah, sure, how did you get into the head of
mister Eggs?
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Just I remember just thinking, just this being cold, just
do a lot of slow breathing before the scene starts
to be very just methodical and cold, and I remember
just having this disdain, like like I despised everyone with
a fashion, like just kind of sitting back and just
(08:52):
being like, this is I'm above this. That's what I
kept trying to think before the huge scene, which was funny,
you know, because that's so not me. I'm everybody knows
me to have a smile on my face, so I
think I was able to sink into that for the
fun of it, really, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yeah, Geenie, I'm sorry your mission.
Speaker 8 (09:12):
I can hear you.
Speaker 9 (09:13):
I'm sorry about that. Okay, go ahead continue it. Rob,
I'm sorry I had a problem with that. Yeah, sorry,
go ahead, no worries. Good to hear from you.
Speaker 8 (09:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
I got a band as well, Yeah, Asphalt Socialize. I've
been doing that, for gosh since twenty ten now and
in one form or another, and we've been pushing that
pretty hard too. And I realized that music has been
a calling for me the same way as my career
that I'm just retiring from, and also acting has been
a calling for me. So I'm ready to pursue those
(09:42):
last couple of things, you know, till till my bones
are bare, you.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Know, For sure.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yeah, and that's like the opposite, right and music, you
become a people's person, so to speak.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
But mister X is definitely not a people's person.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
No, No, it drifts with the stain he does, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Yeah, So, John, three years removed from the release, when
you watch Target List today, what stands out to you
that you couldn't fully see while you were in the
middle of creating it.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
Well, i'll tell you Dean.
Speaker 9 (10:22):
First of all, thanks for having me on the platform,
and I'm sorry for the I was online and I
could hear to you guys, but my connection wouldn't allow
me to.
Speaker 8 (10:31):
Interact with you. But looking at the looking at the.
Speaker 9 (10:34):
Completed project three years after the fact, I see a
talented cast, a talented cruise work, and just a great
team effort to produce a project that that I was was,
you know, very passionate about when I when I first
created this the novel, and of course co wrote the
story with a tremendous screenwriter, MJ.
Speaker 8 (10:57):
Powow who's not here tonight, but she was an.
Speaker 9 (11:02):
Integral part of this project and together with a lot
of people, we put together what I believe is a
top quality independent movie. On a shoestring budget, and I
see a film that has staying power and is more
relevant even today in light of everything that's going on
in healthcare.
Speaker 8 (11:23):
You Target List is.
Speaker 9 (11:24):
An entertaining in my opinion, it's an entertaining movie. It
has it has a beat of comedy intertwined with it
that makes a little bit more palatable for the everyday person.
But when you look at this movie, yes it's entertaining,
and yes it's got comedic beats, but it has a
strong underlying message. And my original reason for writing Target List,
(11:45):
I've been a primary healthcare provider, chiropractic physician, an associate professor,
and taught in a college environment for ten years, is
because I think there's an important message that needs to
be delivered to the public, and that is, of course,
in my opinion, that Big Farm is not your friend.
Speaker 8 (12:02):
And so so we look at this movie.
Speaker 9 (12:04):
And maybe no, maybe not everybody has the same passion
as I do, But I think that this is a
movie that everyone can enjoy or at least.
Speaker 8 (12:12):
Get something from.
Speaker 9 (12:13):
And I think I think the crew and the and
the actors and actresses they performed admirably and pulling off
what we all feel is it is a tremendous film.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Absolutely, John, Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Were you on set the entire time or did you
just pop in here and there?
Speaker 9 (12:35):
So it's an interesting story. When I we shot, the
first thing that happened was after after the after MJ
and I decided to transform the novel into a screenplay.
We we we produced a short pilot film that we
(12:57):
put on Amazon Prime, and.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
It actually did. Rob was a part of that as well.
I played a different different part in it, but he
he did that.
Speaker 9 (13:05):
We did twelve thirteen minute pilot shoot and after that
came out, I got seriously ill and I was on
a ventilator for twenty one days and I nearly died
three times, and I was in the hospital for ninety
five days. I got COVID with air marks and then
(13:27):
with air quotes rather and when I came out of
it and I survived it, one of the first things
that when I when I was able to regain my consciousness,
I was you know, I talked to MJ and she
said that the film had performed pretty well the pilot,
and then we decided to do the you know, they
(13:48):
cast for the for the feature film, and unfortunately I
was not able to get out there for that because
I was still recovering.
Speaker 8 (13:54):
But I would.
Speaker 9 (13:55):
I would be, you know, with them in spirit every day.
And she sent me a lot of a lot of
the the dale is that they were doing. And but
I was I was involved with pre production meetings and
a lot of the a lot of the stuff that
was going on.
Speaker 8 (14:08):
But yeah, it was quite a quite an experience.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
All right.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
All right, Oh man, I'm sorry to hear that you
had COVID to the point of such a terrible time.
I lost three best friends during that time.
Speaker 8 (14:23):
Yeah, it was a tough time.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Yeah, very very tough.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
So, uh, did you have any hand in shoes in
the cast?
Speaker 8 (14:31):
I did you know?
Speaker 9 (14:33):
They were Mad Wife Productions was that was the company
that did it, And it was MJ.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
MJ.
Speaker 9 (14:37):
Pollow and Andrew Arguello were the directors, uh, and and
the production staff built around them, and they, you know,
I relied on their abilities to cast because they had
a lot more experience in cinematic production than I did.
I was more of a well I'm a chiropractor by nature,
(14:58):
and and I person that was involved in the academic field,
but I turned turned storytellers. But I have learned a
lot about the uh, you know, tell them stories. But yes,
they were very very helpful in presenting me. I get
to see all of the audition tapes and I had
a lot of input into it. And yes, so I
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was involved in the entire process as well behind the scenes.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
All right, cool, cool.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
So Crystal, just to crystallize everything here, even in a
supporting role, your character helps build or in other words,
help ground the world of the story. What did you
focus on to make even your brief appearance feel authentic? Authentic?
Speaker 10 (15:44):
Yeah, it was. This is actually my first role ever
in a feature length film. It was at the beginning
of my official acting journey.
Speaker 11 (15:53):
And I found it kind of funny because there's a
a trope as actors that you know, if you're an actor,
that you're going to be a waitress, and that was
my day player role.
Speaker 10 (16:05):
And I found it really funny because nobody else.
Speaker 11 (16:07):
On set that day had ever worked as an actor
as a waitress, so I was actually getting out of.
Speaker 10 (16:14):
Being a full time waitress.
Speaker 11 (16:16):
So it was kind of It was fun in that
regard because as we were blocking the scene and I
was working with Andrew and MJ, I was like, she'd
probably do this, she'd probably start from over here, and
nobody else really.
Speaker 10 (16:31):
Had an opinion because nobody else on set had real
life experience in that role.
Speaker 11 (16:36):
So in that regard, it was pretty easy to fall
into because I'd done that in real life.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Yeah, me too, at the waffle house in the morning.
But Crystal, that's cool that this was, you know, the catalyst.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
To your entire journey.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
And right now you operate across painting, film, directing, and producing.
So how did acting to your larger philosophy that art
is bestest, breast and complexity.
Speaker 10 (17:06):
Well, I mean, it's a personal journey, I think for
all of us.
Speaker 11 (17:12):
But for me, I used to be very shy and
acting was one of the things the mediums that showed
me my ability to uh speak in front of a group,
to be seen by many people. And acting is very
multi layered because you show up and you're playing pretend,
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but you want it to be very serious. And in
film production as a whole, not just as the actor,
there's so many layers that go into making a film beautiful.
Speaker 10 (17:46):
And coherent and impactful.
Speaker 11 (17:48):
That as a general consumer you may not see, but
as a creative on my side, I find it so
satisfying to see all of those years come together, the
message of the meaning, the you know, the skill of
the actors, the background work that the actors do to
show up as a different sort of person than they
(18:09):
are in real life, the lighting, the crew, the background actors,
the sets, the script and everything else that goes into it.
I think, you know, when I'm on set, there's often debates.
It's like and it's always a joke because it's like
without the camera, we can't do it without the actors,
we can't do without the lighting, we can't do it
without a good story, we can't do it.
Speaker 10 (18:30):
And it's such a collaborative experience.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
All right, John, So target List has hit major screaming
milestones three hundred and fifty two owlsand views on stash.
A strong pres is one to be definitely hand collapsed there.
But what do you think keeps people pressing and play
three years later?
Speaker 9 (18:58):
I think I think the storyline it's is one that's
intriguing and timely, timeless. I think that you know, there's
there's so many things that are going on and what
we went through. Of course, you know four or five
years ago with the pandemic, I think that it's it's
just a subject matter that people are are interested in,
(19:19):
and they gravitate towards when there's been a lot of
a lot of stories that have been captured and written
about this subject and when you get into conspiracy or
things that are outside the conventional parameters of what people
would consider, you know, officialdom.
Speaker 8 (19:36):
People are always, i think drawn to those types.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
Of things, and I think Target List has that it
has that vibe, and I think it has that that interest,
public interest, and even though people might not want to
publicly say these things, you know, I think in the
back of their minds, they're drawn to this type of information,
and I think the Target List deliver Again, it delivers
(20:01):
a strong underlying message and it also does it's an
entertaining film, and I think it's got pretty good beats,
are portions of comedy, well timed input. So I think
it's it's something that people people like.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yeah, so I've heard that Fox turned down a two
billion dollar deal from net Flix and Warner Brothers to
acquire to be I'm not sure about the legal mambo jumbo,
but what happens to your film when a giant gobbles
another company? What happens to the rights of that film.
Speaker 9 (20:42):
Well, you know we're not we're not on TV exclusively,
We're on We're on many different platforms, and I can
tell you that you know the type. It's amazing in
my opinion that we were able to number one get this.
Speaker 8 (20:58):
Film done, mooring the time that we got it done,
because there were so many concerns.
Speaker 9 (21:04):
I remember talking to MJ and Andrew on a regular
basis and just hoping someone at the time didn't test positive,
you know, the PCR test for COVID, because that could
shut us down and we'd be finished. So it was
amazing just to get through this thing, to get through
that part of it, and then of course you know
there are other challenges and other option things. Is the
(21:26):
message that our movie delivers is one that's highly in
my opinion and a lot of other people censored on
many many social media apps. I mean, just just to
talk about this kind of stuff, sometimes you're going to
be ranked in the lower portions of Internet searches. And so,
you know, in our film is a very polarizing subject.
(21:46):
There are people that hate it, and there are people
that love it, and and there are a lot of
there have been a lot of comments that you know,
you know it's good. You know it's a conspiracy move,
it's johnk it's this, blah blah.
Speaker 8 (21:58):
But the thing is any type.
Speaker 9 (22:00):
Of conversation that draws to this is great, whether it's
bad or good, because it's conversation.
Speaker 8 (22:06):
As long as people are talking about you, that's what's good.
Speaker 9 (22:10):
I have a little bit of a different feeling about
these things than the average person because I was involved
with health care, and I know things that the general
public don't know about health care, a lot of things.
And so when you look when people look at this
and they roll their you know, when people roll their
eyes and they see something that's outside the norm. A
lot of times just psychologically will roll our eyes. Why
(22:33):
do we do that, Well, a lot of times we
roll our eyes because we've been conditioned as a society, psychologically,
sociologically to fall asleep anytime that we hear something that
goes outside of norm.
Speaker 8 (22:45):
The the officialsom if you hear.
Speaker 9 (22:46):
Something that's like outside of what's your conditioned to believe,
a lot of times people will roll their eyes. One
of the first things we do when we go to
sleep at night is we roll our eyes back into
our head, because that's we're turning off. So when you
hear a conversation and that you don't gravitate towards because
maybe you don't, you know, it's not within your beliefs.
Construct people sometimes roll their eyes, and that's that's what
(23:09):
we classically get. But the fact that people are not
rolling their eyes enough and people are still watching this
movie as a testament that I think more than ever
than before, people are are looking for the truth. They're
looking for information that can help them get a better
understanding and clear understanding what's happening in the world. And
I think films like Target List and others similar films
(23:33):
that deliver important messages the truth maybe through fiction. At
least it's something that allows us to watch it without
rolling our eyes, without falling asleep, because it's not saying
that this is you know, it's a story. But when
you look at the stories straight on, it's a story.
But maybe people look to the right and the left
afterwards and they say, hey, there's something to this, Maybe
(23:55):
there is something to this. Maybe maybe we should pay
you know, a different tent, you know, attention to it.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Sure, yeah, and we'll get back on the conversation and
just a bit, But I do want to ask you this. So, uh,
in the music industry, the record labels told me, do
not read the comments.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Do you read the comments?
Speaker 9 (24:16):
John, You know, I've talked to MJ about this all
the time, and she says she never read she never
reads the comments. And I do read the comments. I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna be dishonest with you.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
I do.
Speaker 9 (24:29):
And and you know, they tell you have to have
really you have to have tough skin in this business.
And I'm new to this business, you know, in these
when I write books and I write. I just wrote
a screenplayoff of anivella that I that I finished, and uh,
you know, to me, they're like children. They're like your
children when you're write, when you write it, targetless to
(24:50):
me is like having having a son, you know. And
so when people talk badly about it, I take it personally.
But there's something more to me about this is not
just a to me, this is this story was written
with personal experience. It's it's I had a very I
had a friend that was was I believe was taken
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out because of exposing information that could benefit humanity. And
so that was this story was written with a different
spirit of mind, and it was very personal. And then
what happened to me afterwards, and while this was coming
to Fruition also very very fresh in my mind.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
So you know, I have a different take on it.
So yeah, I do.
Speaker 9 (25:33):
I do read comments, not all of them, not as
much anymore because I think I've developed some calousing over
the over the past few years.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
But yeah, yeah, I think it bothers me.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Rob, Rob and any of your performances, whether that's in
music or acting, do you read the comments as well?
Speaker 6 (25:56):
I you know, I think he's right.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Zo.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
It's like you can't help but to do it. You know,
it's it's just it's just a naturally human thing, you
know what I mean. It just happens. You you try
not to be affected by it, just try to move
on from it. But I mean there's little grains of
truth here and there and things, but in the big picture,
you know, you do what you do, and you do
it as best that that you do, and it's uh,
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you know, it's it's uh. Sometimes you're not everybody's cup
of tea, but that's it doesn't mean you should stop.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Doing what you're doing, you know what I mean. And
growing and everything the way that you do.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
So, I mean I I see it in music, I
see it in in film or commercial. You know, I've
got a lot of commercial work out there too, and
I just, uh, you know, it's it's the way I
did it.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I'm proud of what I've done. You know, picture crystal comment,
Oh cheers for that.
Speaker 10 (26:52):
Yeah, I definitely, I definitely do well.
Speaker 11 (26:55):
Pray to comments a lot of my work, so like
to do well in social media, you have to at
least read some of the comments. And as like a
poet on stage performing, there's a lot of amazing times
where like people will come up to me and they're
crying and they're like that touched.
Speaker 10 (27:14):
Me so deeply, and it's these amazing comments.
Speaker 11 (27:17):
And then sometimes you're on stage and you know nobody
has It's not necessarily bad things, but you know, silence
can be deafening. And what I find is that, you know,
it's it's hard to do anything in a public way
where you're not going to get feedback.
Speaker 10 (27:35):
But some days you're going to be you know, people
are gonna want to thrust.
Speaker 11 (27:38):
You on a pedestal and it's gonna be such a
high high and other days, people are gonna like it,
and it's gonna feel like a low low and you
have to like not believe any of them, Like, don't
believe them when they tell you that you're the best
thing that's ever.
Speaker 10 (27:50):
Happened, and don't believe them when you.
Speaker 11 (27:52):
Think that they're worst, because really, like what people are
saying to you has nothing to do with you, has
to do with whatever's going on for them. And just
doing like as an artist, doing what feels you feel
compelled to create, and it's something honest and that you
were proud of, Like Rock said, I think that's what's important.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Absolutely, I love that. I love that.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
So back to the conversation piece, there are a lot
of real things about this film that happens in our
real world with the with the healthcare and pharmaceutical world,
both can be nasty businesses if you're at the top
and you're on the low receiving end. There does that
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spark conversations amongst the crew the cast who want to
learn more about what's actually happening. And I asked this
question because I played a role in a movie called
The System Within. I was crackhead number two.
Speaker 12 (28:53):
And it's about the corrupt prison system, all right, and
you know this guy, he's asking me questions about you know,
where I stand.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
I'm like, look, dude, I'm crackhead number two. Like what
do you want from me? I'm just trying to hit
the sandwich. You know, this is the only break I get,
you know. But later, later I did think about it,
you know, and I began to research and ask questions
for myself to learn more about not just the movie
for research purposes, but just to.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Learn more about what we're doing.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
You know, maybe this movie could or this film could
be something bigger than what we actually think it is.
So when it comes to target lists, did those conversations
start to.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
Happen, Oh, you ask to me, Deni, or you might
want to ask.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Yeah, we can start with with Crystal.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
And then work our way around the table.
Speaker 11 (29:45):
That was my first times being on set, So I
was just really proud of myself for.
Speaker 10 (29:50):
Not having a panic attack. Yeah, there was.
Speaker 11 (29:54):
I wasn't very close with any of the other actors,
and there's it's kind of like when you start at
a new school, like you're going to high school for
the first time, and it's like the biggest building you
ever walked into, and like you don't know where anybody
is and you don't know any of the rules.
Speaker 10 (30:09):
So yeah, I didn't experience that. But Rob may have.
Speaker 11 (30:13):
A more fleshed out response to that, because, like I said,
I was just I was just terrified and wanting to
do a good job, all.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Right, Rob, Yeah, I think like what Chrystal was talking about,
it was probably one of my my earlier projects that
i'd done too coming off the heels. As mister Rogers said,
there was something you know, when I played a different
character in the pilot of it and the short film
version of it, you know, and I so I was
so focused on just the getting getting to where I
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needed to be and making sure I wasn't the guy
that was gonna be the guy that was getting in
trouble on set, like what the hell.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Are you doing? You need to be doing? You know
what I mean that I was.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
I think I was just focused on my piece of
the story and how it interacted with everyone else.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
But yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
And with your question with that, you were talking about
how it goes into researching other could you ask that, Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Sorry, that for sure, you know, basically the public perception
pharmaceutical power, you know, has that changed since twenty twenty three?
Does that make the film feel more relevant?
Speaker 5 (31:25):
Now? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (31:28):
I mean there's so much going on, you know, the
big picture of there's a distrust for so much, from
corporations to government to this and that, and it's it
definitely lends itself to what's what's always been, but is
getting bigger every every year, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
There's a lot of distrust and I think it.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
I mean, even though I was focused on my parts
in there, it was like it really did bring it
sprunt and center to my attention.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
You know, you hear things all its time, but I
just I was thinking, boy, is it is it?
Speaker 6 (32:03):
Is it a nutty idea that they there could be
a contract killer for a pharmaceutical you know, agency a
pharmaceutical industry, And I'm like, not when there's billions and
billions of dollars to be made, to be to be
sold off into you know, when you have the perpetuation
of something that maybe who knows if they have the
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cure for or not. You know, I'm not privy to
be able to say that they do or don't. But
is the possibility there that a corporation would want to
make money and and protect that at all costs. Absolutely absolutely,
So that kind of reframed my thoughts on it after
playing that role, as like that's something that could happen.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
It doesn't seem that far out, you know. Sure, yeah,
I'm crack a number two.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Those are questions to be all right, what about you, John.
Speaker 9 (32:55):
Well, I think that I think, first of all, I
think both Crystal and Rob did tremendous, tremendous performances in
whatever roles that they had in the film.
Speaker 8 (33:04):
It's what made the film complete. So I want to
thank both of them.
Speaker 9 (33:07):
Again, I've never, you know, really had that opportunity to
do that since the film. But I think that you know,
and you guys are obviously all involved in the acting world,
and you have you've had experience, but a lot of
your listeners probably don't understand that when a film is shot,
you know, it's not necessarily done in chronological order.
Speaker 8 (33:27):
Some scenes the end of the film could be shot,
you know.
Speaker 9 (33:30):
The first day and it's all out of sequence and
it's put together later on, and there's such a compartmentalized
thing when you're you know, some of the actors are
there for maybe one or two days while others are there,
you know, longer, and so the continuity of becoming you know, familiar.
Speaker 8 (33:49):
With the outside of their script.
Speaker 9 (33:54):
Is sometimes not there until until they see the finished product.
Speaker 8 (33:57):
And so.
Speaker 9 (33:58):
But but I think that in general, you know, this
film has the ability to make people, the ability to
make people think, and too, that's all we want. We
want people to We want conversations. I don't want to
tell people what to think. If you don't believe that,
that's fine. What we want people to think. I think
what we have today in our society is a lot
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of people that don't critically think anymore. And I think
that's dangerous, regardless whether we're talking about healthcare or any
other of the genres that make up the fabric of
our society or reality perceptions of reality. Let's let's think
about things. Let's use our minds, our god given abilities
to think. God gave you a brain think. And I
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think today we have a lot of people that don't think.
I think they react to things on you know, just
by habit and by somebody by listening to you know,
we what do we watch Most of the time, we
watch network programming. We watch tell a vision. They're telling
a vision and how can you let me.
Speaker 8 (35:03):
Ask you this.
Speaker 9 (35:04):
You watch a news program, you watch the six o'clock
evening news, and you've got twenty minutes of programming which
a lot of it's drug commercials. Ninety five percent of
the advertising and coming into these networks is coming in
from pharma companies. We're one of the only countries in
the world where pharma companies can directly market to healthcare
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consumers who have no degrees or lay people that don't
even understand prescription drugs. Yet they're getting they're telling doctors
what to order based on marketing. So you have you
have a program that's on a network and the advertising
dollars are coming in from pharma companies, do you think
you're going to get fair and balanced reporting about health
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issues by that company? And so that's that's what I'm saying.
We need people to be able to think critically and
if we get my brain child was well, they've been marketing.
They've been marketing healthcare to people through movies for years.
I mean, how many movies on television programming glamorize medicine,
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big pharma. I mean, they're just constantly it goes from
soap operas to shows and it's been going on for decades.
So I figured, if we could use that same medium
to show to show it in a different light, let's
do it. And that's that's what target list is. Target
list is the antidote to the other stuff.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
Well, John, that's something that that just was so near
and dear to me because i'd heard that there was
actually there were actually only two nations in the world
that allow direct to consumer marketing as far as pharmaceuticals,
and that was the United.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
States and New Zealand to both plays.
Speaker 8 (36:42):
That's correct.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
That blew my mind when I heard that.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
I'm like, it figures and the side effects are worse
than what you've got half the time. But I don't
know how that happens, you know, how we're.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Able to do that. I think it should be gone,
you know.
Speaker 9 (36:54):
You know, Rob It's like you got, you got, you
got a ninety second commercial for a drug, aah, whatever
it is. Twenty seconds tells you what it can do
for you. In the next seventy seconds tells you how
it's going to kill you, and then they ask you
at the end if it's.
Speaker 8 (37:05):
Right for you, right, it's not right for me?
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Yeah, you know, invent the disease and invent the cure.
But I used to sell cigarettes and I went to
my doctor for high blood pressure, and she's not one
time did she tell me to change my diet, to
go exercise, to do all anything holistic. She just immediately
wrote a subscription for Appeal. And I was like, how
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much are you getting the kickback for? How much is this?
She just looked at me weird. I was like, yeah,
I seal cigarettes. I get kickbacks all the time for
poison in America. I know you get one, but I
no longer do that job anyway. But that was fact.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
She didn't give me any kind of diet or go
work out, you know, some stuff off.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
But just here, take this peel. You'll feel better here.
Speaker 8 (38:03):
It's crazy.
Speaker 9 (38:04):
It's crazy, you know when we look at it that
way and we break it down, you know, we know.
Speaker 8 (38:09):
I mean, people aren't.
Speaker 9 (38:10):
People know if they start thinking they know about it,
they understand that this is not right.
Speaker 8 (38:14):
I mean, how can you.
Speaker 9 (38:15):
Go to school for all these years and not be
allowed to write a prescription unless you have this knowledge
and you're learning about these drugs.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
They're dangerous products.
Speaker 9 (38:23):
I mean, in certain situations, drugs are necessary I'm not
saying drugs aren't ever necessary, but you have people that
go to school for eight ten years to be able
to learn how to distribute these things properly. We're going
to allow companies to broadly market to people that have
no they're going to make the decision. Well, I mean,
but that's the case. Why do even have a prescription?
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Yeah, all right, all right, So Rob, mister X isn't
just a hired guy. He represents the system. Did you
approach him as a villain or as someone who believe
that he's justified?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
I I really the way.
Speaker 6 (39:06):
It's funny because I I had listened to the audiobook
of on an audible, you know, of of Target List,
and I remember it was very serious. I felt like
there was a very serious tone throughout for me personally,
and then it was interesting to bring moments of levity
and some comedy bit, you know, little pieces here and
there in through the film adaptation of it.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
I think for me, the way I approached it was, gosh,
I'm trying to trying to think of that I articulate this.
I think that he I was trying to plan.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
More of Ah, he had no empathy about it. He
was doing a job, but it wasn't as though. I
don't feel like my character absolutely believed in what he
was doing, but more of he was the kind of
person that would lack empathy and just collect the dollar
about about doing what he was going to do for this,
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you know what I mean, had it been had it
been any other type of uh cure for a major
issue coming to the market, I think if he were,
you know, approached with the right amount of money, he
would have done the same and walked away and been
able to sleep at.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Night about it. That's the way I went after it.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Yeah, all right, all right, So Crystal, you talk about
how art foster's both fiscal sustainability and human connection. I
know that's a very tight rope to walk, especially, you know,
determining the price of how much art is worth when
it's an extension of yourself. It's like, yeah, it's worth
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my rent for this three months? Can you can?
Speaker 1 (40:47):
You?
Speaker 4 (40:47):
You know? But how important is it for indie film
to balance message and market viability?
Speaker 10 (40:55):
Oh that's a great.
Speaker 11 (41:00):
So, like the artist in me says that it is
only about the message, and that's why we are artists.
Speaker 10 (41:06):
It's our job to tell stories.
Speaker 11 (41:08):
That compelled people to think, that inspire people, that bring
vision to the world, that helps to aid suffering, and
you know, give people hope. And then yeah, in this
day and age, money matters, and you know, the term
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like selling out is really rampant, and no matter what
you do, if you're an actor, painter, people are always like,
don't sell out, don't sell out your message. But at
the end of the day, if your message is there
and only the people that are also living in your
basement see it because you haven't found a way to
make it marketable, then you haven't done your job as
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an artist either, because the purpose is to bring it
to as many people as possible. So it's really it
is a tightrope and that's something that will have to
be explored depending on the project.
Speaker 10 (42:06):
I think both sides.
Speaker 11 (42:07):
Are really important and walking that dichotomy, that polarity can
pull and stretch a story in ways that we don't expect.
That's definitely not like a black and white answer. I
think both of them are really important. And for me
and what I do and what I would love to
see more in the world is people pushing the boundary
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of how close to their message they can get while
also making sure that it can be put on a
billboard and received by millions of people in a not
in like a necessarily joyful way, but in an energetic way.
You know, people can hate a film and it can
become very profitable. So just making sure a lot of
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I see the story. But I love when artists stays
close to.
Speaker 10 (42:58):
Their true messages possible. I think it's important.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
Yes, indeed, so John, Now that you've lived with both
the novel and the film for years, if you had
it to adopt it again today, what would you lean
into more? The comedy, the action or the moral tension?
Speaker 9 (43:18):
I think there's a I think there's a happy balance
between the three. I think you know when I when
I wrote the novel, I never intended the good novel
to have any comedy in it at all. And you
know when we I think when m J and I
we're outlining the screenplay and when we when we got
down to writing it, we changed some things from the
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from the novel to the to the cinematic production for
a number of reasons. One was because the way that
I had written the novel was been to it would
have been cost It would not have been cost effective.
Speaker 8 (43:52):
To write it that way, so.
Speaker 9 (43:54):
We had to change a few things, and we we
added a character too. We added more than a character too,
but we the main characters were in the novel Clyde
and Donna and uh mister X and Manon. But but
I think that I would probably.
Speaker 8 (44:10):
Uh lean into.
Speaker 9 (44:13):
Uh the the the message, the underlying message a little
bit more.
Speaker 8 (44:19):
Although I like the way, I like the way Andrew and.
Speaker 9 (44:22):
Mjuh developed this film and took it to where it is.
I don't have any any any regrets at all, and
I'm very happy with the way they delivered the product.
So I think that that the comedy part of it
evolved from the chemistry of the two leads uh Rachel aleg.
Speaker 8 (44:42):
And and and.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
Justin Ray.
Speaker 9 (44:45):
They had very very good on online or on screen chemistry,
and we saw that in the in the pre production
meetings and try out some things, and I was on board.
Speaker 8 (44:56):
I think that it.
Speaker 9 (44:57):
Actually helps the film a lot, because sometimes when it's
two in your face and it's too much, it's too much,
you know. I think that the moments of levity and
the moments of time comedic deliverance in there, it really
helped it out. And you know, there are some people
that they will tell you, well, you know, this is
not a comedy, this is a serious film. Well it
is a serious film, but you know, and even even
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in real serious things, you have to have you have
to have moments of humor. And I think that I
think that that was a well executed decision in bringing
that to Truition. I think they did a great job
of it.
Speaker 8 (45:31):
So I like it.
Speaker 9 (45:32):
I like the way it came out, and if we
had to do again, I would I would. I would
have them built the same way all over again.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Nice Rob. Since filming Target List, you've landed major supporting roles.
How did this project shake your trajectory?
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Gosh, it was.
Speaker 6 (45:49):
It was like the first bigger production that I had done.
And just to have that confidence in being, you know,
cast in a part that's integral to the big picture
of what was going on. Just having that confidence knowing that,
you know, I've got the training, I've got the it's
now my time to rise to the occasion. It's it's
it instilled that I do have the foundational skills to
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make things my own once I've got the shot to
do it, and it's carried with me through Like we I.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Just got done with a film called dust Lands.
Speaker 6 (46:21):
I think it'll be out next probably hopefully like by
the fall of next year. But Karen Soward and Ruby
Rose and I got cast as a a supporting role
in that. And with those five days on set watching
you know, you.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Learn so much.
Speaker 6 (46:36):
It's like tools for the toolbox every time, you know,
and just able to have that confidence and what I've
done in my past and where it's taken me now,
it's just it's just, uh, it just keeps my eyes.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
On the horizon, really.
Speaker 6 (46:50):
You know what I mean, just just being on set,
you're learning Every director works so differently with you with
every what they're expecting of you and what what you
should know when you arrive on set. You know, where's
my eyeline, where's the where's my mark? What are what
are we going for here? Do I have creative liberty
at all? Are you happy with me interjecting this? If
I felt like maybe I could bring something more to
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it and that changes set to set. So it was
the first of the process for me to actually learn that.
I mean, even just hearing rolling audio, roll road speed, okay,
you know action, I was like, that's the sequence, Okay,
I never knew that before, so it's been a it's
been a you know, a process that's been those the
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first of the big ones for me, and I've been
happy to have that in my my belt now, you.
Speaker 5 (47:38):
Know, absolutely, And congratulations about it.
Speaker 7 (47:42):
Way, oh, chers appreciate the yeah congratulations from thank you John.
Speaker 6 (47:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
So, Crystal, you produce gallery shows and artistic events and
you're an actress. In which world do you come alive
in the most the lave community engagement world or the
on screen is storytelling.
Speaker 11 (48:08):
The reason I do so many different things is because
they give me different things. I feel like a kid
again when I'm on set, and I like that. That's
a special kind of a liveness that I'm a very
serious person.
Speaker 10 (48:23):
I like a plan.
Speaker 11 (48:24):
I like you know, I'm a good assistant director. I
can make you know, days go by, I can plan
projects and all those good things. But when you're in
front of the camera.
Speaker 10 (48:35):
And you're pretending to be somebody else, it is it's
just like playing. And I really really do love that.
Speaker 11 (48:43):
When I do community events, it's a little bit more
high pressure and I'm acting in a sense because you know,
hundreds of people are coming up to me to talk.
Speaker 10 (48:54):
To you about my work or to congratulate me on
whatever the party is about.
Speaker 11 (48:58):
And on the inside, I'm just thinking of thirty five
thousand things that are possibly going wrong and what somebody
else might need, and I'm just like fake smile, I
like thank you, thank you so much, thank you so mutch,
and I don't get to.
Speaker 10 (49:10):
Enjoy what I've created for everybody else as much.
Speaker 11 (49:13):
So there's a lot of like overlap, but there's a
special kind of play that comes with acting that I
truly enjoy.
Speaker 5 (49:22):
All right, all right, well guys, this is our mic
drop round. John.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
What does target List ultimately say about courage?
Speaker 9 (49:33):
I think target List is that you stand your ground
and you know, you don't give up, you continue to
you continue to forge, you know, move forward.
Speaker 8 (49:46):
I think the only the only.
Speaker 9 (49:48):
Thing that happens when you give in to draconian situations
is you get more you get more of those put
in your face. So I think you stand your ground,
and I think that target List is all about courage.
It's about, of course, they were you know, survival and
trying to trying to do the right thing, and trying
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to trying to help, you know, trying to help out
and and bring bring help to a society that needs it,
may not even understand that it needs it, but you
try to do what you're what you're supposed to do,
and I think Target List is a is a great
example of that. And I hope that people when they
do watch this film, and I hope they do so
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with you know, and and get entertainment out of it,
but I hope that they get the bigger meaning behind
it and that that strong message, that underlying message comes through.
Speaker 5 (50:45):
All right, And Rob, what does mister X teach us
about power?
Speaker 6 (50:51):
Kind of the way it could be wielded in the
most devious and despardly of ways.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
You know, Uh, it's.
Speaker 6 (51:00):
It's in the wrong hands, and it's you got to
have empathy with the power, or or it could go sideways.
And then my case, it does you know, he knows
the power that he has and he just doesn't give
a damn how he uses it.
Speaker 4 (51:15):
So yeah, absolutely, And Crystal, what does this film teach
about standing up when the odds are stacked?
Speaker 10 (51:29):
Defies that it's not always going to be easy, but.
Speaker 11 (51:35):
Following what is right is worth it in the end,
And I think that's a really powerful and ancestral hero's
journey that we all could use a little bit more
of in our life. Understanding that the right thing isn't
always the easy thing. We should follow it anyway.
Speaker 5 (51:57):
Absolutely, But what if the right thing is the wrong
thing and the wrong thing is the right thing?
Speaker 9 (52:04):
You know that that's always that's always the question, right,
I mean, that's that's that's the million dollar or the
billion dollar question, and that's something that people have to
sort out for themselves. But I just wanted to say
one last thing before before I I told MJ we
would make sure that we would would love for people
watch this film and they can do so for free
(52:24):
on to be uh two B platform and also we
want to we want to plug the Fowesome Fawesome Movie
platform because it's it's on there as well and doing
well on there. So if people can watch it on
those two platforms, especially in the United States or wherever
it's available, we really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
All right, thank you for that, John. We will include
links if we can in the description of this episode
and in the show notes. Also, if you guys have
any social media links or any projects you want to
link to this interview, you can go right ahead and
we will include those as will.
Speaker 8 (53:02):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (53:03):
You know something I want to say real quick, something
about thinking about power. I was trying to find the quote,
and it's something that doctor Martin Luther King had said.
He said, all too many people have seen power and
love is polar opposites, but the tow fulfill each other.
Power without love is reckless, and love without power sentimental.
I just thought that was brilliant to lay out what
power can be and where you know, where it can
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be in your heart with love and everything. And I
think it's a fascinating quote. So anyway, I want to
put out down there that is out there anyway, great,
Thank you for that.
Speaker 9 (53:34):
Yeah, and I also want to thank Dean. I want
to thank my our actors. Crystal, thank you so much
for taking time out of your day of doing this.
Speaker 8 (53:45):
And Rob as well. Guys are you guys are great?
Without Without you, this would this, this film would not exist.
Speaker 9 (53:53):
And your contributions to it are greatly appreciated by by
the Target List team and then by me, you know,
one of the co creators and the original career of
the of the novel.
Speaker 8 (54:04):
I really appreciate you, guys more than you could one
You'll never know.
Speaker 6 (54:09):
Thank you, Thank you for having faith in us to
carry out your vision. So I'm glad to be a
part of it, very proud, always will be and I
can't wait to share this with others.
Speaker 4 (54:19):
Great, all right, all right, thank you Deani too.
Speaker 8 (54:25):
Thank you Dean for having us on for the second time.
Speaker 9 (54:29):
You had done an interview with me when it first
came out, and I thank you so much for letting
us on your platform and and doing this.
Speaker 4 (54:38):
Yes. Absolutely, Hey, if you have room for a crackhead
number three or four, I got you. I'm not on
crack or nothing, but yeah, I got you.
Speaker 5 (54:51):
The highlight of my resume.
Speaker 4 (54:54):
Anyway, three years later, guys, Target List still has the energy,
the action to come, and the moral tension and fearless
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It was an honor.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you very much.
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Take care, bye bye, peace to all.
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we step into a world where science meet danger, where
innovation threatened empires, and where good stood eye to eye
with something darker. A film built on courage, a film
built on conviction, A film built on the idea that
when truth challenges, power pushes back. So tonight, is it
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just a recap that's actually a reunion? I have my
I don't know what you call these things, but they
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Speaker 5 (02:05):
But that's not my problem right now.
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Anyway, We're sitting at the table with the minds and
the faces behind target list, a story that dared to
ask uncomfortable questions, blend action with satire, and turn conspiracy
into cinematic confrontation. This isn't just about a movie. It's
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Speaker 5 (03:40):
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Speaker 4 (03:42):
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Speaker 5 (03:51):
You, and for the world.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Well, ladies and gentlemen, tonight's guests, Well, first up, we
have Judd and Riot. He is the co screenwriter of
Target List, author of the original novel, and a retired
chiropractor turned storyteller known for weaving controversial things with high
(04:13):
energy pacing. He continues building a catalog of thought provoking
works across the film and fiction.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
So that's John. And then we have Rob Russo.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
He is an actor musician whose career continues to gain
momentum with roads and feature films including dust Lands and
My New Friend Jim and Target List. He plays the
calculated and chilling doctor, not doctor mister X. Rob brings death, charisma,
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a lot of is right.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
That's what the kids are saying.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
He has to read, is and present to every performance.
So that is Rob. My kids gonna say, Dad, you
can't say that. You're too old to say riz, So
my bad kids. And then next up we have still Land.
She's a multi faceted artist, painter, filmmaker, producer, creative director
(05:06):
and actress oh my gosh, who believes art is best
pressed through complexity. Beyond acting and target List. She builds
immersive artistic experiences through her project on Harvest, blending painting, poetry,
storyteller and community engagement. Crystal understands both the creative and
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the business side of art and how human connection fuels both.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Gotta have both of those, right.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
So when a culmination, all right, all right, without any
further ado, here's the trio John Crystal and.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Raw Hello, Hello, I think she's having us.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Yeah, all right out.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
Here Rob, Yeah here, I am hey, going on not
too much.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
It's cheers for having us.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Yeah, This is really really cool get a chance to
talk about a project that we did a little while ago,
and it's it's just the something I was glad to
be involved with.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
So it's nice to be able to speak about it now.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Absolutely absolutely. What about Crystal Hi, can you hear me? Yes,
Crystal clear, I had no pun attended.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I see what you did there.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yeah, I try sometimes probably a little too hard, Doctor John, aging,
Doctor John. Okay, I'm sure he'll chime in when uh, whenever,
he whenever he can. So Rob Speagan with you had
(06:50):
a chance to comb through your resume. Man, you have
some impressive things going on.
Speaker 8 (06:55):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
But looking back at uh, yes, for sure, looking back
at mister X, now, what do you understand about him
psychologically that maybe you didn't fully grasp during the filming?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Gosh, I feel like, you know, there's a duality to
all of us.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
You know, we have our masks that we wear, uh,
you know, do whether the way you present in public
or the what's really on your mind. I think he's
he was a character that I was able to bring
a little bit of both to, Like, there's a sense
of genuineness to him as far as you know, he's
this man that's contracted to be a farm you know,
(07:35):
a contracted killer for the pharmaceutical industry. But he's got
his besides what he's focused on for that, he's still
got his little quirks and whatnot. I tried to bring
to it. You know, he's he's a real guy. You know,
he's not just I tried to make him not a
two dimensional character as far as what is you know,
what he's about, as as he proceeds to go through
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with what he's got to do for his career.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
You know.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
Uh, there's there's a time in the movie where one
of the guys that's paying me off, you know, the
intermediary that's giving me the funds to do what I'm doing.
I remember this scene where I get to really show
my annoyance that.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Is the incompetence, and you know, it was just fun
to play with.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
There's little moments of levity in it that I got
to play because he's more than a two dimensional character.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
So that's what I felt about that.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Yeah, sure, how did you get into the head of
mister Eggs?
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Just I remember just thinking, just this being cold, just
do a lot of slow breathing before the scene starts
to be very just methodical and cold, and I remember
just having this disdain, like like I despised everyone with
a fashion, like just kind of sitting back and just
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being like, this is I'm above this. That's what I
kept trying to think before the huge scene, which was funny,
you know, because that's so not me. I'm everybody knows
me to have a smile on my face, so I
think I was able to sink into that for the
fun of it, really, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yeah, Geenie, I'm sorry your mission.
Speaker 8 (09:12):
I can hear you.
Speaker 9 (09:13):
I'm sorry about that. Okay, go ahead continue it. Rob,
I'm sorry I had a problem with that. Yeah, sorry,
go ahead, no worries. Good to hear from you.
Speaker 8 (09:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
I got a band as well, Yeah, Asphalt Socialize. I've
been doing that, for gosh since twenty ten now and
in one form or another, and we've been pushing that
pretty hard too. And I realized that music has been
a calling for me the same way as my career
that I'm just retiring from, and also acting has been
a calling for me. So I'm ready to pursue those
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last couple of things, you know, till till my bones
are bare, you.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Know, For sure.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yeah, and that's like the opposite, right and music, you
become a people's person, so to speak.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
But mister X is definitely not a people's person.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
No, No, it drifts with the stain he does, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Yeah, So, John, three years removed from the release, when
you watch Target List today, what stands out to you
that you couldn't fully see while you were in the
middle of creating it.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
Well, i'll tell you Dean.
Speaker 9 (10:22):
First of all, thanks for having me on the platform,
and I'm sorry for the I was online and I
could hear to you guys, but my connection wouldn't allow
me to.
Speaker 8 (10:31):
Interact with you. But looking at the looking at the.
Speaker 9 (10:34):
Completed project three years after the fact, I see a
talented cast, a talented cruise work, and just a great
team effort to produce a project that that I was was,
you know, very passionate about when I when I first
created this the novel, and of course co wrote the
story with a tremendous screenwriter, MJ.
Speaker 8 (10:57):
Powow who's not here tonight, but she was an.
Speaker 9 (11:02):
Integral part of this project and together with a lot
of people, we put together what I believe is a
top quality independent movie. On a shoestring budget, and I
see a film that has staying power and is more
relevant even today in light of everything that's going on
in healthcare.
Speaker 8 (11:23):
You Target List is.
Speaker 9 (11:24):
An entertaining in my opinion, it's an entertaining movie. It
has it has a beat of comedy intertwined with it
that makes a little bit more palatable for the everyday person.
But when you look at this movie, yes it's entertaining,
and yes it's got comedic beats, but it has a
strong underlying message. And my original reason for writing Target List,
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I've been a primary healthcare provider, chiropractic physician, an associate professor,
and taught in a college environment for ten years, is
because I think there's an important message that needs to
be delivered to the public, and that is, of course,
in my opinion, that Big Farm is not your friend.
Speaker 8 (12:02):
And so so we look at this movie.
Speaker 9 (12:04):
And maybe no, maybe not everybody has the same passion
as I do, But I think that this is a
movie that everyone can enjoy or at least.
Speaker 8 (12:12):
Get something from.
Speaker 9 (12:13):
And I think I think the crew and the and
the actors and actresses they performed admirably and pulling off
what we all feel is it is a tremendous film.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Absolutely, John, Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Were you on set the entire time or did you
just pop in here and there?
Speaker 9 (12:35):
So it's an interesting story. When I we shot, the
first thing that happened was after after the after MJ
and I decided to transform the novel into a screenplay.
We we we produced a short pilot film that we
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put on Amazon Prime, and.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
It actually did. Rob was a part of that as well.
I played a different different part in it, but he
he did that.
Speaker 9 (13:05):
We did twelve thirteen minute pilot shoot and after that
came out, I got seriously ill and I was on
a ventilator for twenty one days and I nearly died
three times, and I was in the hospital for ninety
five days. I got COVID with air marks and then
(13:27):
with air quotes rather and when I came out of
it and I survived it, one of the first things
that when I when I was able to regain my consciousness,
I was you know, I talked to MJ and she
said that the film had performed pretty well the pilot,
and then we decided to do the you know, they
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cast for the for the feature film, and unfortunately I
was not able to get out there for that because
I was still recovering.
Speaker 8 (13:54):
But I would.
Speaker 9 (13:55):
I would be, you know, with them in spirit every day.
And she sent me a lot of a lot of
the the dale is that they were doing. And but
I was I was involved with pre production meetings and
a lot of the a lot of the stuff that
was going on.
Speaker 8 (14:08):
But yeah, it was quite a quite an experience.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
All right.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
All right, Oh man, I'm sorry to hear that you
had COVID to the point of such a terrible time.
I lost three best friends during that time.
Speaker 8 (14:23):
Yeah, it was a tough time.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Yeah, very very tough.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
So, uh, did you have any hand in shoes in
the cast?
Speaker 8 (14:31):
I did you know?
Speaker 9 (14:33):
They were Mad Wife Productions was that was the company
that did it, And it was MJ.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
MJ.
Speaker 9 (14:37):
Pollow and Andrew Arguello were the directors, uh, and and
the production staff built around them, and they, you know,
I relied on their abilities to cast because they had
a lot more experience in cinematic production than I did.
I was more of a well I'm a chiropractor by nature,
(14:58):
and and I person that was involved in the academic field,
but I turned turned storytellers. But I have learned a
lot about the uh, you know, tell them stories. But yes,
they were very very helpful in presenting me. I get
to see all of the audition tapes and I had
a lot of input into it. And yes, so I
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was involved in the entire process as well behind the scenes.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
All right, cool, cool.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
So Crystal, just to crystallize everything here, even in a
supporting role, your character helps build or in other words,
help ground the world of the story. What did you
focus on to make even your brief appearance feel authentic? Authentic?
Speaker 10 (15:44):
Yeah, it was. This is actually my first role ever
in a feature length film. It was at the beginning
of my official acting journey.
Speaker 11 (15:53):
And I found it kind of funny because there's a
a trope as actors that you know, if you're an actor,
that you're going to be a waitress, and that was
my day player role.
Speaker 10 (16:05):
And I found it really funny because nobody else.
Speaker 11 (16:07):
On set that day had ever worked as an actor
as a waitress, so I was actually getting out of.
Speaker 10 (16:14):
Being a full time waitress.
Speaker 11 (16:16):
So it was kind of It was fun in that
regard because as we were blocking the scene and I
was working with Andrew and MJ, I was like, she'd
probably do this, she'd probably start from over here, and
nobody else really.
Speaker 10 (16:31):
Had an opinion because nobody else on set had real
life experience in that role.
Speaker 11 (16:36):
So in that regard, it was pretty easy to fall
into because I'd done that in real life.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Yeah, me too, at the waffle house in the morning.
But Crystal, that's cool that this was, you know, the catalyst.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
To your entire journey.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
And right now you operate across painting, film, directing, and producing.
So how did acting to your larger philosophy that art
is bestest, breast and complexity.
Speaker 10 (17:06):
Well, I mean, it's a personal journey, I think for
all of us.
Speaker 11 (17:12):
But for me, I used to be very shy and
acting was one of the things the mediums that showed
me my ability to uh speak in front of a group,
to be seen by many people. And acting is very
multi layered because you show up and you're playing pretend,
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but you want it to be very serious. And in
film production as a whole, not just as the actor,
there's so many layers that go into making a film beautiful.
Speaker 10 (17:46):
And coherent and impactful.
Speaker 11 (17:48):
That as a general consumer you may not see, but
as a creative on my side, I find it so
satisfying to see all of those years come together, the
message of the meaning, the you know, the skill of
the actors, the background work that the actors do to
show up as a different sort of person than they
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are in real life, the lighting, the crew, the background actors,
the sets, the script and everything else that goes into it.
I think, you know, when I'm on set, there's often debates.
It's like and it's always a joke because it's like
without the camera, we can't do it without the actors,
we can't do without the lighting, we can't do it
without a good story, we can't do it.
Speaker 10 (18:30):
And it's such a collaborative experience.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
All right, John, So target List has hit major screaming
milestones three hundred and fifty two owlsand views on stash.
A strong pres is one to be definitely hand collapsed there.
But what do you think keeps people pressing and play
three years later?
Speaker 9 (18:58):
I think I think the storyline it's is one that's
intriguing and timely, timeless. I think that you know, there's
there's so many things that are going on and what
we went through. Of course, you know four or five
years ago with the pandemic, I think that it's it's
just a subject matter that people are are interested in,
(19:19):
and they gravitate towards when there's been a lot of
a lot of stories that have been captured and written
about this subject and when you get into conspiracy or
things that are outside the conventional parameters of what people
would consider, you know, officialdom.
Speaker 8 (19:36):
People are always, i think drawn to those types.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
Of things, and I think Target List has that it
has that vibe, and I think it has that that interest,
public interest, and even though people might not want to
publicly say these things, you know, I think in the
back of their minds, they're drawn to this type of information,
and I think the Target List deliver Again, it delivers
(20:01):
a strong underlying message and it also does it's an
entertaining film, and I think it's got pretty good beats,
are portions of comedy, well timed input. So I think
it's it's something that people people like.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yeah, so I've heard that Fox turned down a two
billion dollar deal from net Flix and Warner Brothers to
acquire to be I'm not sure about the legal mambo jumbo,
but what happens to your film when a giant gobbles
another company? What happens to the rights of that film.
Speaker 9 (20:42):
Well, you know we're not we're not on TV exclusively,
We're on We're on many different platforms, and I can
tell you that you know the type. It's amazing in
my opinion that we were able to number one get this.
Speaker 8 (20:58):
Film done, mooring the time that we got it done,
because there were so many concerns.
Speaker 9 (21:04):
I remember talking to MJ and Andrew on a regular
basis and just hoping someone at the time didn't test positive,
you know, the PCR test for COVID, because that could
shut us down and we'd be finished. So it was
amazing just to get through this thing, to get through
that part of it, and then of course you know
there are other challenges and other option things. Is the
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message that our movie delivers is one that's highly in
my opinion and a lot of other people censored on
many many social media apps. I mean, just just to
talk about this kind of stuff, sometimes you're going to
be ranked in the lower portions of Internet searches. And so,
you know, in our film is a very polarizing subject.
(21:46):
There are people that hate it, and there are people
that love it, and and there are a lot of
there have been a lot of comments that you know,
you know it's good. You know it's a conspiracy move,
it's johnk it's this, blah blah.
Speaker 8 (21:58):
But the thing is any type.
Speaker 9 (22:00):
Of conversation that draws to this is great, whether it's
bad or good, because it's conversation.
Speaker 8 (22:06):
As long as people are talking about you, that's what's good.
Speaker 9 (22:10):
I have a little bit of a different feeling about
these things than the average person because I was involved
with health care, and I know things that the general
public don't know about health care, a lot of things.
And so when you look when people look at this
and they roll their you know, when people roll their
eyes and they see something that's outside the norm. A
lot of times just psychologically will roll our eyes. Why
(22:33):
do we do that, Well, a lot of times we
roll our eyes because we've been conditioned as a society, psychologically,
sociologically to fall asleep anytime that we hear something that
goes outside of norm.
Speaker 8 (22:45):
The the officialsom if you hear.
Speaker 9 (22:46):
Something that's like outside of what's your conditioned to believe,
a lot of times people will roll their eyes. One
of the first things we do when we go to
sleep at night is we roll our eyes back into
our head, because that's we're turning off. So when you
hear a conversation and that you don't gravitate towards because
maybe you don't, you know, it's not within your beliefs.
Construct people sometimes roll their eyes, and that's that's what
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we classically get. But the fact that people are not
rolling their eyes enough and people are still watching this
movie as a testament that I think more than ever
than before, people are are looking for the truth. They're
looking for information that can help them get a better
understanding and clear understanding what's happening in the world. And
I think films like Target List and others similar films
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that deliver important messages the truth maybe through fiction. At
least it's something that allows us to watch it without
rolling our eyes, without falling asleep, because it's not saying
that this is you know, it's a story. But when
you look at the stories straight on, it's a story.
But maybe people look to the right and the left
afterwards and they say, hey, there's something to this, Maybe
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there is something to this. Maybe maybe we should pay
you know, a different tent, you know, attention to it.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Sure, yeah, and we'll get back on the conversation and
just a bit, But I do want to ask you this. So, uh,
in the music industry, the record labels told me, do
not read the comments.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Do you read the comments?
Speaker 9 (24:16):
John, You know, I've talked to MJ about this all
the time, and she says she never read she never
reads the comments. And I do read the comments. I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna be dishonest with you.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
I do.
Speaker 9 (24:29):
And and you know, they tell you have to have
really you have to have tough skin in this business.
And I'm new to this business, you know, in these
when I write books and I write. I just wrote
a screenplayoff of anivella that I that I finished, and uh,
you know, to me, they're like children. They're like your
children when you're write, when you write it, targetless to
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me is like having having a son, you know. And
so when people talk badly about it, I take it personally.
But there's something more to me about this is not
just a to me, this is this story was written
with personal experience. It's it's I had a very I
had a friend that was was I believe was taken
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out because of exposing information that could benefit humanity. And
so that was this story was written with a different
spirit of mind, and it was very personal. And then
what happened to me afterwards, and while this was coming
to Fruition also very very fresh in my mind.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
So you know, I have a different take on it.
So yeah, I do.
Speaker 9 (25:33):
I do read comments, not all of them, not as
much anymore because I think I've developed some calousing over
the over the past few years.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
But yeah, yeah, I think it bothers me.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Rob, Rob and any of your performances, whether that's in
music or acting, do you read the comments as well?
Speaker 6 (25:56):
I you know, I think he's right.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Zo.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
It's like you can't help but to do it. You know,
it's it's just it's just a naturally human thing, you
know what I mean. It just happens. You you try
not to be affected by it, just try to move
on from it. But I mean there's little grains of
truth here and there and things, but in the big picture,
you know, you do what you do, and you do
it as best that that you do, and it's uh,
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you know, it's it's uh. Sometimes you're not everybody's cup
of tea, but that's it doesn't mean you should stop.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Doing what you're doing, you know what I mean. And
growing and everything the way that you do.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
So, I mean I I see it in music, I
see it in in film or commercial. You know, I've
got a lot of commercial work out there too, and
I just, uh, you know, it's it's the way I
did it.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I'm proud of what I've done. You know, picture crystal comment,
Oh cheers for that.
Speaker 10 (26:52):
Yeah, I definitely, I definitely do well.
Speaker 11 (26:55):
Pray to comments a lot of my work, so like
to do well in social media, you have to at
least read some of the comments. And as like a
poet on stage performing, there's a lot of amazing times
where like people will come up to me and they're
crying and they're like that touched.
Speaker 10 (27:14):
Me so deeply, and it's these amazing comments.
Speaker 11 (27:17):
And then sometimes you're on stage and you know nobody
has It's not necessarily bad things, but you know, silence
can be deafening. And what I find is that, you know,
it's it's hard to do anything in a public way
where you're not going to get feedback.
Speaker 10 (27:35):
But some days you're going to be you know, people
are gonna want to thrust.
Speaker 11 (27:38):
You on a pedestal and it's gonna be such a
high high and other days, people are gonna like it,
and it's gonna feel like a low low and you
have to like not believe any of them, Like, don't
believe them when they tell you that you're the best
thing that's ever.
Speaker 10 (27:50):
Happened, and don't believe them when you.
Speaker 11 (27:52):
Think that they're worst, because really, like what people are
saying to you has nothing to do with you, has
to do with whatever's going on for them. And just
doing like as an artist, doing what feels you feel
compelled to create, and it's something honest and that you
were proud of, Like Rock said, I think that's what's important.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Absolutely, I love that. I love that.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
So back to the conversation piece, there are a lot
of real things about this film that happens in our
real world with the with the healthcare and pharmaceutical world,
both can be nasty businesses if you're at the top
and you're on the low receiving end. There does that
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spark conversations amongst the crew the cast who want to
learn more about what's actually happening. And I asked this
question because I played a role in a movie called
The System Within. I was crackhead number two.
Speaker 12 (28:53):
And it's about the corrupt prison system, all right, and
you know this guy, he's asking me questions about you know,
where I stand.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
I'm like, look, dude, I'm crackhead number two. Like what
do you want from me? I'm just trying to hit
the sandwich. You know, this is the only break I get,
you know. But later, later I did think about it,
you know, and I began to research and ask questions
for myself to learn more about not just the movie
for research purposes, but just to.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Learn more about what we're doing.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
You know, maybe this movie could or this film could
be something bigger than what we actually think it is.
So when it comes to target lists, did those conversations
start to.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
Happen, Oh, you ask to me, Deni, or you might
want to ask.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Yeah, we can start with with Crystal.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
And then work our way around the table.
Speaker 11 (29:45):
That was my first times being on set, So I
was just really proud of myself for.
Speaker 10 (29:50):
Not having a panic attack. Yeah, there was.
Speaker 11 (29:54):
I wasn't very close with any of the other actors,
and there's it's kind of like when you start at
a new school, like you're going to high school for
the first time, and it's like the biggest building you
ever walked into, and like you don't know where anybody
is and you don't know any of the rules.
Speaker 10 (30:09):
So yeah, I didn't experience that. But Rob may have.
Speaker 11 (30:13):
A more fleshed out response to that, because, like I said,
I was just I was just terrified and wanting to
do a good job, all.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Right, Rob, Yeah, I think like what Chrystal was talking about,
it was probably one of my my earlier projects that
i'd done too coming off the heels. As mister Rogers said,
there was something you know, when I played a different
character in the pilot of it and the short film
version of it, you know, and I so I was
so focused on just the getting getting to where I
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needed to be and making sure I wasn't the guy
that was gonna be the guy that was getting in
trouble on set, like what the hell.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Are you doing? You need to be doing? You know
what I mean that I was.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
I think I was just focused on my piece of
the story and how it interacted with everyone else.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
But yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
And with your question with that, you were talking about
how it goes into researching other could you ask that, Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Sorry, that for sure, you know, basically the public perception
pharmaceutical power, you know, has that changed since twenty twenty three?
Does that make the film feel more relevant?
Speaker 5 (31:25):
Now? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (31:28):
I mean there's so much going on, you know, the
big picture of there's a distrust for so much, from
corporations to government to this and that, and it's it
definitely lends itself to what's what's always been, but is
getting bigger every every year, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
There's a lot of distrust and I think it.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
I mean, even though I was focused on my parts
in there, it was like it really did bring it
sprunt and center to my attention.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
You know, you hear things all its time, but I
just I was thinking, boy, is it is it?
Speaker 6 (32:03):
Is it a nutty idea that they there could be
a contract killer for a pharmaceutical you know, agency a
pharmaceutical industry, And I'm like, not when there's billions and
billions of dollars to be made, to be to be
sold off into you know, when you have the perpetuation
of something that maybe who knows if they have the
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cure for or not. You know, I'm not privy to
be able to say that they do or don't. But
is the possibility there that a corporation would want to
make money and and protect that at all costs. Absolutely absolutely,
So that kind of reframed my thoughts on it after
playing that role, as like that's something that could happen.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
It doesn't seem that far out, you know. Sure, yeah,
I'm crack a number two.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Those are questions to be all right, what about you, John.
Speaker 9 (32:55):
Well, I think that I think, first of all, I
think both Crystal and Rob did tremendous, tremendous performances in
whatever roles that they had in the film.
Speaker 8 (33:04):
It's what made the film complete. So I want to
thank both of them.
Speaker 9 (33:07):
Again, I've never, you know, really had that opportunity to
do that since the film. But I think that you know,
and you guys are obviously all involved in the acting world,
and you have you've had experience, but a lot of
your listeners probably don't understand that when a film is shot,
you know, it's not necessarily done in chronological order.
Speaker 8 (33:27):
Some scenes the end of the film could be shot,
you know.
Speaker 9 (33:30):
The first day and it's all out of sequence and
it's put together later on, and there's such a compartmentalized
thing when you're you know, some of the actors are
there for maybe one or two days while others are there,
you know, longer, and so the continuity of becoming you know, familiar.
Speaker 8 (33:49):
With the outside of their script.
Speaker 9 (33:54):
Is sometimes not there until until they see the finished product.
Speaker 8 (33:57):
And so.
Speaker 9 (33:58):
But but I think that in general, you know, this
film has the ability to make people, the ability to
make people think, and too, that's all we want. We
want people to We want conversations. I don't want to
tell people what to think. If you don't believe that,
that's fine. What we want people to think. I think
what we have today in our society is a lot
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of people that don't critically think anymore. And I think
that's dangerous, regardless whether we're talking about healthcare or any
other of the genres that make up the fabric of
our society or reality perceptions of reality. Let's let's think
about things. Let's use our minds, our god given abilities
to think. God gave you a brain think. And I
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think today we have a lot of people that don't think.
I think they react to things on you know, just
by habit and by somebody by listening to you know,
we what do we watch Most of the time, we
watch network programming. We watch tell a vision. They're telling
a vision and how can you let me.
Speaker 8 (35:03):
Ask you this.
Speaker 9 (35:04):
You watch a news program, you watch the six o'clock
evening news, and you've got twenty minutes of programming which
a lot of it's drug commercials. Ninety five percent of
the advertising and coming into these networks is coming in
from pharma companies. We're one of the only countries in
the world where pharma companies can directly market to healthcare
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consumers who have no degrees or lay people that don't
even understand prescription drugs. Yet they're getting they're telling doctors
what to order based on marketing. So you have you
have a program that's on a network and the advertising
dollars are coming in from pharma companies, do you think
you're going to get fair and balanced reporting about health
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issues by that company? And so that's that's what I'm saying.
We need people to be able to think critically and
if we get my brain child was well, they've been marketing.
They've been marketing healthcare to people through movies for years.
I mean, how many movies on television programming glamorize medicine,
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big pharma. I mean, they're just constantly it goes from
soap operas to shows and it's been going on for decades.
So I figured, if we could use that same medium
to show to show it in a different light, let's
do it. And that's that's what target list is. Target
list is the antidote to the other stuff.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
Well, John, that's something that that just was so near
and dear to me because i'd heard that there was
actually there were actually only two nations in the world
that allow direct to consumer marketing as far as pharmaceuticals,
and that was the United.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
States and New Zealand to both plays.
Speaker 8 (36:42):
That's correct.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
That blew my mind when I heard that.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
I'm like, it figures and the side effects are worse
than what you've got half the time. But I don't
know how that happens, you know, how we're.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Able to do that. I think it should be gone,
you know.
Speaker 9 (36:54):
You know, Rob It's like you got, you got, you
got a ninety second commercial for a drug, aah, whatever
it is. Twenty seconds tells you what it can do
for you. In the next seventy seconds tells you how
it's going to kill you, and then they ask you
at the end if it's.
Speaker 8 (37:05):
Right for you, right, it's not right for me?
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Yeah, you know, invent the disease and invent the cure.
But I used to sell cigarettes and I went to
my doctor for high blood pressure, and she's not one
time did she tell me to change my diet, to
go exercise, to do all anything holistic. She just immediately
wrote a subscription for Appeal. And I was like, how
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much are you getting the kickback for? How much is this?
She just looked at me weird. I was like, yeah,
I seal cigarettes. I get kickbacks all the time for
poison in America. I know you get one, but I
no longer do that job anyway. But that was fact.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
She didn't give me any kind of diet or go
work out, you know, some stuff off.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
But just here, take this peel. You'll feel better here.
Speaker 8 (38:03):
It's crazy.
Speaker 9 (38:04):
It's crazy, you know when we look at it that
way and we break it down, you know, we know.
Speaker 8 (38:09):
I mean, people aren't.
Speaker 9 (38:10):
People know if they start thinking they know about it,
they understand that this is not right.
Speaker 8 (38:14):
I mean, how can you.
Speaker 9 (38:15):
Go to school for all these years and not be
allowed to write a prescription unless you have this knowledge
and you're learning about these drugs.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
They're dangerous products.
Speaker 9 (38:23):
I mean, in certain situations, drugs are necessary I'm not
saying drugs aren't ever necessary, but you have people that
go to school for eight ten years to be able
to learn how to distribute these things properly. We're going
to allow companies to broadly market to people that have
no they're going to make the decision. Well, I mean,
but that's the case. Why do even have a prescription?
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Yeah, all right, all right, So Rob, mister X isn't
just a hired guy. He represents the system. Did you
approach him as a villain or as someone who believe
that he's justified?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
I I really the way.
Speaker 6 (39:06):
It's funny because I I had listened to the audiobook
of on an audible, you know, of of Target List,
and I remember it was very serious. I felt like
there was a very serious tone throughout for me personally,
and then it was interesting to bring moments of levity
and some comedy bit, you know, little pieces here and
there in through the film adaptation of it.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
I think for me, the way I approached it was, gosh,
I'm trying to trying to think of that I articulate this.
I think that he I was trying to plan.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
More of Ah, he had no empathy about it. He
was doing a job, but it wasn't as though. I
don't feel like my character absolutely believed in what he
was doing, but more of he was the kind of
person that would lack empathy and just collect the dollar
about about doing what he was going to do for this,
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you know what I mean, had it been had it
been any other type of uh cure for a major
issue coming to the market, I think if he were,
you know, approached with the right amount of money, he
would have done the same and walked away and been
able to sleep at.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Night about it. That's the way I went after it.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Yeah, all right, all right, So Crystal, you talk about
how art foster's both fiscal sustainability and human connection. I
know that's a very tight rope to walk, especially, you know,
determining the price of how much art is worth when
it's an extension of yourself. It's like, yeah, it's worth
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my rent for this three months? Can you can?
Speaker 1 (40:47):
You?
Speaker 4 (40:47):
You know? But how important is it for indie film
to balance message and market viability?
Speaker 10 (40:55):
Oh that's a great.
Speaker 11 (41:00):
So, like the artist in me says that it is
only about the message, and that's why we are artists.
Speaker 10 (41:06):
It's our job to tell stories.
Speaker 11 (41:08):
That compelled people to think, that inspire people, that bring
vision to the world, that helps to aid suffering, and
you know, give people hope. And then yeah, in this
day and age, money matters, and you know, the term
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like selling out is really rampant, and no matter what
you do, if you're an actor, painter, people are always like,
don't sell out, don't sell out your message. But at
the end of the day, if your message is there
and only the people that are also living in your
basement see it because you haven't found a way to
make it marketable, then you haven't done your job as
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an artist either, because the purpose is to bring it
to as many people as possible. So it's really it
is a tightrope and that's something that will have to
be explored depending on the project.
Speaker 10 (42:06):
I think both sides.
Speaker 11 (42:07):
Are really important and walking that dichotomy, that polarity can
pull and stretch a story in ways that we don't expect.
That's definitely not like a black and white answer. I
think both of them are really important. And for me
and what I do and what I would love to
see more in the world is people pushing the boundary
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of how close to their message they can get while
also making sure that it can be put on a
billboard and received by millions of people in a not
in like a necessarily joyful way, but in an energetic way.
You know, people can hate a film and it can
become very profitable. So just making sure a lot of
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I see the story. But I love when artists stays
close to.
Speaker 10 (42:58):
Their true messages possible. I think it's important.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
Yes, indeed, so John, Now that you've lived with both
the novel and the film for years, if you had
it to adopt it again today, what would you lean
into more? The comedy, the action or the moral tension?
Speaker 9 (43:18):
I think there's a I think there's a happy balance
between the three. I think you know when I when
I wrote the novel, I never intended the good novel
to have any comedy in it at all. And you
know when we I think when m J and I
we're outlining the screenplay and when we when we got
down to writing it, we changed some things from the
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from the novel to the to the cinematic production for
a number of reasons. One was because the way that
I had written the novel was been to it would
have been cost It would not have been cost effective.
Speaker 8 (43:52):
To write it that way, so.
Speaker 9 (43:54):
We had to change a few things, and we we
added a character too. We added more than a character too,
but we the main characters were in the novel Clyde
and Donna and uh mister X and Manon. But but
I think that I would probably.
Speaker 8 (44:10):
Uh lean into.
Speaker 9 (44:13):
Uh the the the message, the underlying message a little
bit more.
Speaker 8 (44:19):
Although I like the way, I like the way Andrew and.
Speaker 9 (44:22):
Mjuh developed this film and took it to where it is.
I don't have any any any regrets at all, and
I'm very happy with the way they delivered the product.
So I think that that the comedy part of it
evolved from the chemistry of the two leads uh Rachel aleg.
Speaker 8 (44:42):
And and and.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
Justin Ray.
Speaker 9 (44:45):
They had very very good on online or on screen chemistry,
and we saw that in the in the pre production
meetings and try out some things, and I was on board.
Speaker 8 (44:56):
I think that it.
Speaker 9 (44:57):
Actually helps the film a lot, because sometimes when it's
two in your face and it's too much, it's too much,
you know. I think that the moments of levity and
the moments of time comedic deliverance in there, it really
helped it out. And you know, there are some people
that they will tell you, well, you know, this is
not a comedy, this is a serious film. Well it
is a serious film, but you know, and even even
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in real serious things, you have to have you have
to have moments of humor. And I think that I
think that that was a well executed decision in bringing
that to Truition. I think they did a great job
of it.
Speaker 8 (45:31):
So I like it.
Speaker 9 (45:32):
I like the way it came out, and if we
had to do again, I would I would. I would
have them built the same way all over again.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Nice Rob. Since filming Target List, you've landed major supporting roles.
How did this project shake your trajectory?
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Gosh, it was.
Speaker 6 (45:49):
It was like the first bigger production that I had done.
And just to have that confidence in being, you know,
cast in a part that's integral to the big picture
of what was going on. Just having that confidence knowing that,
you know, I've got the training, I've got the it's
now my time to rise to the occasion. It's it's
it instilled that I do have the foundational skills to
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make things my own once I've got the shot to
do it, and it's carried with me through Like we I.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Just got done with a film called dust Lands.
Speaker 6 (46:21):
I think it'll be out next probably hopefully like by
the fall of next year. But Karen Soward and Ruby
Rose and I got cast as a a supporting role
in that. And with those five days on set watching
you know, you.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Learn so much.
Speaker 6 (46:36):
It's like tools for the toolbox every time, you know,
and just able to have that confidence and what I've
done in my past and where it's taken me now,
it's just it's just, uh, it just keeps my eyes.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
On the horizon, really.
Speaker 6 (46:50):
You know what I mean, just just being on set,
you're learning Every director works so differently with you with
every what they're expecting of you and what what you
should know when you arrive on set. You know, where's
my eyeline, where's the where's my mark? What are what
are we going for here? Do I have creative liberty
at all? Are you happy with me interjecting this? If
I felt like maybe I could bring something more to
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it and that changes set to set. So it was
the first of the process for me to actually learn that.
I mean, even just hearing rolling audio, roll road speed, okay,
you know action, I was like, that's the sequence, Okay,
I never knew that before, so it's been a it's
been a you know, a process that's been those the
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first of the big ones for me, and I've been
happy to have that in my my belt now, you.
Speaker 5 (47:38):
Know, absolutely, And congratulations about it.
Speaker 7 (47:42):
Way, oh, chers appreciate the yeah congratulations from thank you John.
Speaker 6 (47:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
So, Crystal, you produce gallery shows and artistic events and
you're an actress. In which world do you come alive
in the most the lave community engagement world or the
on screen is storytelling.
Speaker 11 (48:08):
The reason I do so many different things is because
they give me different things. I feel like a kid
again when I'm on set, and I like that. That's
a special kind of a liveness that I'm a very
serious person.
Speaker 10 (48:23):
I like a plan.
Speaker 11 (48:24):
I like you know, I'm a good assistant director. I
can make you know, days go by, I can plan
projects and all those good things. But when you're in
front of the camera.
Speaker 10 (48:35):
And you're pretending to be somebody else, it is it's
just like playing. And I really really do love that.
Speaker 11 (48:43):
When I do community events, it's a little bit more
high pressure and I'm acting in a sense because you know,
hundreds of people are coming up to me to talk.
Speaker 10 (48:54):
To you about my work or to congratulate me on
whatever the party is about.
Speaker 11 (48:58):
And on the inside, I'm just thinking of thirty five
thousand things that are possibly going wrong and what somebody
else might need, and I'm just like fake smile, I
like thank you, thank you so much, thank you so mutch,
and I don't get to.
Speaker 10 (49:10):
Enjoy what I've created for everybody else as much.
Speaker 11 (49:13):
So there's a lot of like overlap, but there's a
special kind of play that comes with acting that I
truly enjoy.
Speaker 5 (49:22):
All right, all right, well guys, this is our mic
drop round. John.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
What does target List ultimately say about courage?
Speaker 9 (49:33):
I think target List is that you stand your ground
and you know, you don't give up, you continue to
you continue to forge, you know, move forward.
Speaker 8 (49:46):
I think the only the only.
Speaker 9 (49:48):
Thing that happens when you give in to draconian situations
is you get more you get more of those put
in your face. So I think you stand your ground,
and I think that target List is all about courage.
It's about, of course, they were you know, survival and
trying to trying to do the right thing, and trying
(50:09):
to trying to help, you know, trying to help out
and and bring bring help to a society that needs it,
may not even understand that it needs it, but you
try to do what you're what you're supposed to do,
and I think Target List is a is a great
example of that. And I hope that people when they
do watch this film, and I hope they do so
(50:33):
with you know, and and get entertainment out of it,
but I hope that they get the bigger meaning behind
it and that that strong message, that underlying message comes through.
Speaker 5 (50:45):
All right, And Rob, what does mister X teach us
about power?
Speaker 6 (50:51):
Kind of the way it could be wielded in the
most devious and despardly of ways.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
You know, Uh, it's.
Speaker 6 (51:00):
It's in the wrong hands, and it's you got to
have empathy with the power, or or it could go sideways.
And then my case, it does you know, he knows
the power that he has and he just doesn't give
a damn how he uses it.
Speaker 4 (51:15):
So yeah, absolutely, And Crystal, what does this film teach
about standing up when the odds are stacked?
Speaker 10 (51:29):
Defies that it's not always going to be easy, but.
Speaker 11 (51:35):
Following what is right is worth it in the end,
And I think that's a really powerful and ancestral hero's
journey that we all could use a little bit more
of in our life. Understanding that the right thing isn't
always the easy thing. We should follow it anyway.
Speaker 5 (51:57):
Absolutely, But what if the right thing is the wrong
thing and the wrong thing is the right thing?
Speaker 9 (52:04):
You know that that's always that's always the question, right,
I mean, that's that's that's the million dollar or the
billion dollar question, and that's something that people have to
sort out for themselves. But I just wanted to say
one last thing before before I I told MJ we
would make sure that we would would love for people
watch this film and they can do so for free
(52:24):
on to be uh two B platform and also we
want to we want to plug the Fowesome Fawesome Movie
platform because it's it's on there as well and doing
well on there. So if people can watch it on
those two platforms, especially in the United States or wherever
it's available, we really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
All right, thank you for that, John. We will include
links if we can in the description of this episode
and in the show notes. Also, if you guys have
any social media links or any projects you want to
link to this interview, you can go right ahead and
we will include those as will.
Speaker 8 (53:02):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (53:03):
You know something I want to say real quick, something
about thinking about power. I was trying to find the quote,
and it's something that doctor Martin Luther King had said.
He said, all too many people have seen power and
love is polar opposites, but the tow fulfill each other.
Power without love is reckless, and love without power sentimental.
I just thought that was brilliant to lay out what
power can be and where you know, where it can
(53:25):
be in your heart with love and everything. And I
think it's a fascinating quote. So anyway, I want to
put out down there that is out there anyway, great,
Thank you for that.
Speaker 9 (53:34):
Yeah, and I also want to thank Dean. I want
to thank my our actors. Crystal, thank you so much
for taking time out of your day of doing this.
Speaker 8 (53:45):
And Rob as well. Guys are you guys are great?
Without Without you, this would this, this film would not exist.
Speaker 9 (53:53):
And your contributions to it are greatly appreciated by by
the Target List team and then by me, you know,
one of the co creators and the original career of
the of the novel.
Speaker 8 (54:04):
I really appreciate you, guys more than you could one
You'll never know.
Speaker 6 (54:09):
Thank you, Thank you for having faith in us to
carry out your vision. So I'm glad to be a
part of it, very proud, always will be and I
can't wait to share this with others.
Speaker 4 (54:19):
Great, all right, all right, thank you Deani too.
Speaker 8 (54:25):
Thank you Dean for having us on for the second time.
Speaker 9 (54:29):
You had done an interview with me when it first
came out, and I thank you so much for letting
us on your platform and and doing this.
Speaker 4 (54:38):
Yes. Absolutely, Hey, if you have room for a crackhead
number three or four, I got you. I'm not on
crack or nothing, but yeah, I got you.
Speaker 5 (54:51):
The highlight of my resume.
Speaker 4 (54:54):
Anyway, three years later, guys, Target List still has the energy,
the action to come, and the moral tension and fearless
willingness to challenge institutions. If you haven't seen it, are
streamed it on to be. I'll include the link and
you can go do that right now or at least
after the interview, then you can do it. Make sure
(55:15):
you support independent film and support bold storytell this isn't
just a cinema, This is conversation, and this is Vigilantes
Radio Live. And the frequency of the Fearless is always
tuned to the truth. I appreciate you all, Rob Rusto,
John Riser and Crystal Land for being our special guest tonight.
Speaker 5 (55:39):
It was an honor.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you very much.
Speaker 5 (55:44):
Take care, bye bye, peace to all.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
My name is Deanie and I am the host of
Vigilantes Radio Live. I think that we are beyond just
as in cool questions and getting cool responses, I think
that we are here as creatives to provide an example
that you can do things different outside of expectations, because
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some of us simply were not born into the club.
But there is perhaps a door window or backgate that
we can leave a clue for you to get into.
Life is short, but there are plenty of moments to
try and get it right. Pursuing your dreams and learning
(56:37):
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