December 8, 2025 • 34 mins
Dr. Carrie Rose reveals how to use AI and ChatGPT to create online courses that students actually finish. Learn artificial intelligence strategies for course creators, educators, and entrepreneurs building profitable online education businesses.
In this episode, NaRon and Dr. Carrie Rose break down the intersection of AI tools and online course creation—covering everything from avoiding common AI mistakes to improving course completion rates. Whether you're new to AI for beginners or scaling your online coaching business, you'll discover practical methodologies for leveraging generative AI without losing the human touch.
WHAT YOU'LL LEARN:
✅ How to use AI as a tool (not a crutch) in course design
✅ Strategies to increase student engagement and completion rates
✅ Building effective online course funnels in 2024
✅ Differentiated learning approaches for online education
✅ Real talk about AI limitations and hallucinations
✅ Dr. Rose's personal journey overcoming challenges in entrepreneurship
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Using AI for Relationship Advice
00:17 Finalizing My Book and Course Alignment
01:41 The Changing Landscape of Online Funnels
02:30 Introduction to Walking Victory Podcast
03:03 Impact of AI on Content Creation
03:58 Missteps in Using AI for Methodology
05:02 AI's Limitations and Hallucinations
08:06 Personal Journey: Overcoming Challenges
09:59 Building a Business Model in Online Coaching
19:27 Effective Online Course Creation
33:26 Conclusion and Call to Action
CONNECT WITH DR. CARRIE ROSE:
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In this episode, NaRon and Dr. Carrie Rose break down the intersection of AI tools and online course creation—covering everything from avoiding common AI mistakes to improving course completion rates. Whether you're new to AI for beginners or scaling your online coaching business, you'll discover practical methodologies for leveraging generative AI without losing the human touch.
WHAT YOU'LL LEARN:
✅ How to use AI as a tool (not a crutch) in course design
✅ Strategies to increase student engagement and completion rates
✅ Building effective online course funnels in 2024
✅ Differentiated learning approaches for online education
✅ Real talk about AI limitations and hallucinations
✅ Dr. Rose's personal journey overcoming challenges in entrepreneurship
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Using AI for Relationship Advice
00:17 Finalizing My Book and Course Alignment
01:41 The Changing Landscape of Online Funnels
02:30 Introduction to Walking Victory Podcast
03:03 Impact of AI on Content Creation
03:58 Missteps in Using AI for Methodology
05:02 AI's Limitations and Hallucinations
08:06 Personal Journey: Overcoming Challenges
09:59 Building a Business Model in Online Coaching
19:27 Effective Online Course Creation
33:26 Conclusion and Call to Action
CONNECT WITH DR. CARRIE ROSE:
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/walk-in-victory--4078479/support.
🎧 Thanks for listening to Walk In Victory with NaRon Tillman.
If this episode resonated with you, follow the show, leave a rating, and share it with someone who would benefit from the conversation.
📘 Read the Book — Awakening I AM: Internal Awareness in an AI Age
https://walkinvictory.me/awakening-i-am
⚙️ Explore Victory Builders — Systems for founders who execute with clarity
https://walkinvictory.me/victory-builders/Landing-page
🌍 Stay Connected
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/narontillman/
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✨ Sponsored by Cozy Earth
Use code VICTORY1 for 40% off at https://cozyearth.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I've heard of people using AI for their relationship issues.
This guy was in a relationship with this woman, stayed
by her side through breast cancer four years, and then
still ended up. She broke up with them because, yeah,
I told her to, you know, like, use it for
what it is, not for what it isn't.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So I'm in the process of finalizing my book, and
I know I keep teasing. That's why I haven't been
talking about it because what I realized that the component
of the book, I gave so much information and I
didn't have a course to align with the book. And
(00:41):
if those of you who are listening you want to
give people some things that they could actually chew on
and work and work out. We do realize that when
people sign up for courses, they don't necessarily finish the course.
(01:02):
They sign up, they excited, they don't necessarily finish. I
didn't want Awakening I Am to be one of those courses,
so I took a little bit more time to really
dissect and to regurgitate all of those things. And then
so much has happened in the world of AI that
(01:24):
I had to update the book. So the book, but
probably by the time you're listening to this. The book
is out, but the book is finished. It's really at
the last goal line. However, I do want to talk
to people that are working in the online space because
we are watching two things change drastically. One is the
(01:49):
way that we build out our funnel. So the funnel
is different from a website, and the funnel is purposeful
for courses. If you have an online course, how you
drive people down the funnel and the lower they get
to the end of the funnel, the better the response
(02:10):
in economics, because you're driving them to from a I'm
just perusing to on pain. But a lot of those
don't work, and they don't work for a specific reason,
and that's what this episode is about. My name is
(02:31):
Noraen Tillman. You are listening to Walking Victory, where we
sit you at the feet of the masters and we
dive deep into conversations like this where we help you
by the time you finish this episode understand and or
connect with people that are masters in their fields. But
(02:53):
not only do we sit you at the feel of
the masters, we have conversations to evolve your life. Doctor Rose,
thank you for joining us. So when you hear the
word funnel or and you see the landscape of what's
happening today with the advent of AI. Good We woke
(03:16):
up one day and AI was just the chat GPT
open AI and all that stuff is just happening. What
are you saying to people.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Now in terms of how AI has changed the conversation. Yes,
I mean it definitely has. I mean, you know, it's
made it so that for all of us that are
in the expert space, it's made it a ton easier
for us to you create content to get our message out.
You know, if you if you're not posting on social
like what did you do? Like, it's not because you
(03:45):
couldn't come up with a thought. Now you've got somebody
that can debate your thought with you.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So there's there's that end of it. There's that beautiful
piece where it's like you have an at home coach
if you use them them.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
The miss step that I've been seeing with the use
of AI, especially for entrepreneurs that are in the starting
phases and that expert industry or expert space, is when
they have AI create their methodology for them. So I've
been on coaching calls of individuals and no names of course,
right where they said like, oh, this is my methodology,
(04:22):
and they'll give me an acronym for something, right, and
maybe the acronyms like help, but like the H and
the E and the L and the P stand for
you know, whatever else and so and I'm like, okay, great,
is that is that what you do? Is that your specialization?
Is that your secret sauce? And they'll be like, oh, well,
I mean I don't really know what the L and
the P, but but the E in the H, I
mean I can kind of do those and like, hold
(04:43):
up a minute, how did you get to this being
your process? Because what you're telling me is it's not
your process. What is this? And then it usually comes
down to, oh, well, I thought I needed an acronym
and I sat down with chat GPT and this is
what it gave me. And it like we now as experts,
(05:03):
have to be a ton more discerning if we're using AI.
Our job is to use AI as an assistant, not
as the major guide. And that doesn't mean it can't
be a coach in some regards, but it can't take
the place of you, your methodology, your brain and how
you support people. It is only a tool at least
at this point in time. And I know that AI's
(05:26):
tools are the IQ level of the AIS are catching up.
You know, they're moving a little bit faster. But even still,
if you look at it, oh gosh, there's so many
times where it what do they call the word hallucinates, Yeah,
it'll hallucinate. It'll tell you something completely different that didn't happen.
I've had people use AI like, not me, but I've
(05:46):
heard of people using AI for their relationship issues. This
guy was in a relationship with this woman, stayed by
her side through breast cancer four years, and then still
ended up. She broke up with them because THEA I
told her to, you know, like, use it for what
it is, not for what it isn't count.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
We started on this foot, but we're gonna transition to
where we need to be. AI does have the hallucinat
hallucinogenic mindset. I wrote in my book one of the
things that I said is AI is like a teenager.
They don't know the answer, but they're gonna convince you
(06:30):
they know exactly what they're talking about. Because instead of
saying I don't know, it's two things. If you're listening. One,
AI doesn't have a memory yet, and they're chat GPT six,
which will unveil itself in twenty twenty six, has memory
(06:52):
and will have emotions. So we'll pick up from where
we left off yesterday. And you and you know, if
you're creating a project and you said, okay, hey, let's
go back, let's jump back into the project, and I
want you to give me and it's going to give
you an answer, but it's not going to be what
(07:15):
the conversation was. Yes, it's not going to say to you,
I don't remember what we talked about yesterday. Prompt me.
And that's why prompting is so important, because we have
to prompt every time we have these every time we
use these tools. But what you do is very unique
(07:38):
because you help coaches to really really package their online
message rather it's a coaching chorus or anything. Tell me
how did you find out that that was who you were?
(07:58):
And secret sauce don't give away?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, well there's too many no, But I actually, when
I was younger, I had something known as selective mutism.
So for six years of my life I barely spoke.
And I'm also dyslexic. I have ADHD auditory processing issues
I was left handed. You know, they made me right
handed because it was the and that's what they did
back then. But yeah, so I got to fifth grade
(08:25):
and I didn't know how to read. And again it
was the eighties. It was the time period of just
passing them along and whatever. But in today's education environment,
somebody that didn't know how to read entering fifth grade,
I probably would have been held back twice increased likelihood
for dropout and increased likelihood for the prison population. Like
it was. You know that that's where my trajectory would
(08:47):
have been. And I had one teacher in Annabur, Michigan
take me from that to the highest standardized test score
that school had seen in one year's time. And so
what she taught me was so sorry, I have a
tickle in my throat just one second. What she taught
me was the power that we have to create impact
(09:10):
when we care and we know the right strategies. And
so I'm so sorry, this is bad. I never get
the tickles like this. And so I spent ten years
of my adult life trying to be missus Taylor and
try to emulate her. And I was working and primarily
(09:32):
title Ion school, so a lot of kids from lower
socioeconomic backgrounds, and they love economic backgrounds. And they'd go
home at the end of the day on Friday and
you didn't know if they were getting fed till Monday morning.
And so, you know a lot of people when they
say they want to do missionary work, I'm like, start here,
start in America.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
And walk over the guy on the train.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, right, No, we've got people here that need help, right,
And so so I spent a long time there really
kind of honing my craft and working into like research
based strategies like what moves the needle. I decided to
get my doctorate and that leadership. I thought I'd work
for the Department of ED, either at the state or
federal level, which now I'm glad I didn't, But back
(10:16):
then I went to Tallahassee and on a doctor World
class field trip, which was hysterical. But I met Department
of ED, senator's house, a rep, and union reps, and
what I found was everybody seemed really like miserable. And
I was like, there's no way I'm going to commit
my life to being an environment where people don't feel
good or happy about what they're doing. That's not to
(10:37):
say everyone was. That was just my experience. So I'm
in a world of beer one night in walk three
internet marketers and there's a great SEO joke in there somewhere.
But they introduced me to affiliate marketing and online marketing
and they were saying things that I had never heard before.
And so, you know, once you get in that kind
of space, you kind of start going down the rabbit hole.
(10:57):
What can I read? What can I learn? What can
I study? And they kept giving me online courses to take,
and so I'm taking these online programs and when I'm
unpacking is they are just as bad as the worst
classroom on the worst day. You know, like people teach
how they've been taught, or they teach how they learned.
And when they teach how they've been taught, it depends
on what examples they've had. And when they teach how
(11:17):
they learn, it's siloed, so they're missing how everybody else learns.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Right about, doctor, I have to ask your question right there.
So you're saying, because you just gave your history and
thank you for being so transparent. Yeah, because I too,
I have what they call the jedis. I call them
the jitas. I can't sis still, Yeah, I mean very inquisitive.
(11:45):
I ask more than I'm given because I'm like, this
don't make sense. So you're saying you were you used
your what society what's called you're imperfection to help craft
and carve out a market.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, no exactly. I mean what society calls my imperfection
is the same thing that Richard Branson has. He's dyslexic.
In fact, like one third of business owners are dyslexic.
So if you don't need to know how to teach
a population that is a little bit neurospicy in these
online programs or how to guide them, you are missing
(12:28):
the mark for most of these for a good chunk
of you know your audience, if your audience is business owners.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Can you say that again? Neuro what.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Neurospicy? So neurodi virgin I'm gonna use that Armies.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yes, neurospicy. I'm neurospicyd John, you have been listening to
me for a long time. Chat, I'm neurospicy and I'm
talking to doctor Rose who introduced me to that term
in our neurospiciness. How did you developed the business model?
(13:10):
Because it's one thing you you went from a path
of not understanding who you were or not seeing yourself
in society or fitting in right, So you carved your
way in and and the reason why I'm saying that
is because when persons don't talk, they don't feel.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Like they have a voice. When persons don't respond, they
don't feel like they they there. But now you are
a thought leader. Big here of doctor.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Okay, so the sound broke up a little bit. But
I think what you're saying is like, what was like
how did they go from the education component into building
a business model around it? And it wasn't direct what.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I was asking, because I really want you to dive
into this and you have what I What I was
really asking is like a lot of times when you
have to overcome the things that you overcame not talking,
not not you know, and now being a leader standing
in front of people, let's get let's unpack that. How
(14:31):
did you overcome that fear of standing in the room
being a thought leader? And then we'll go back. I'm
going to go forward and then we will work our
way backwards.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Or how did they go from lake as quiet as
the wall to you know, get that's that's a big thing.
So yeah, good friends. I did competitive speech in high school,
so internationals, I did drama, I did chorus. I have
to degrees in theater, so I taught like in front
of three hundred and fifty students at the University of
(15:05):
Alabama because I was a TA. So like I started
getting in the point where it's just like practice, you know,
And I can't say that I don't like almost vomit
a little bit before I get up on stage. Like
it's it's pretty much every time. But like the truth
of it is, when you're up there, most of the
people in the room don't want to trade places with you,
(15:26):
and so it's like a really kind of like when
you sit there and think about it that way, it's
like they I don't know, at least in my mind.
I feel them supporting me when people are in the audience.
I feel their love for me when it's not like
I'm so great, but more like you know, God's love
for me. I feel it when people are in the
audience with me. It's like it's no longer about me.
(15:49):
It's not my ego, it's not like it's not the degrees,
it's not any that like I'm here in this room
with these people in this moment. My job's to serve,
so like I need to make sure that when they
leave they have what they need, and I don't. I
don't worry about the rest of it. And then I
get off and go, you know, just a full moment because.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Like when you first had that experience, because and I'm
really honing in on this because my personal experience. I
started singing when I was about five or six years old,
and I would always finish it, so I close my
eyes or turn my back to the audience and run
off and drop the mic. And I had a mentor
(16:36):
she didn't even remember that she said this to me.
She said, this mic is going to take you out
of the projects. Don't drop your mic. You got a voice,
and it gave me confidence because somebody believed in me.
They they approached I don't know what was what it
was about her approach, or what it was that she
said to me, even though she didn't even remember that
(16:57):
she said it. That that helped me overcome this that
got hurdle of being afraid of being judged or being
afraid of not being good enough. So that's the only
reason why I'm asking, because I personally went through what
(17:20):
you were. I used to write my b's and d's backwards,
and they put me in the front of the class
and with a big B and D big B, little
big little big B. And of our friends come in class. Oh,
he don't know how to write his b's and d's.
So yeah, and I'm never I never expressed this on
my show before.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Well, and it's really interesting too about dyslexia. Not to
go too far into it, but it wasn't that you
didn't know your bes from your d's. It's that your
brain really operated like the bees and d's are not
flat on the paper. Your brain was like iron Man.
I don't know if you remember the scene where he
holds up his hands and then he's starting to like
move computers trains around and be it and whatever. And
(18:03):
that abstract model is how a dyslexic brains work. They're
actually incredibly visually talented, and they have trouble because the
visual is so strong, the auditory goes down and so
what's really happening and there, when I say auditory processing issues,
it's hard for us to pick sounds apart. So like
if you close your eyes and I go it's hard
(18:26):
to tell which one is which if you close your
eyes and I go, that's the thch and the F
and you can't necessarily tell the sound is actually different
unless you're looking at somebody's mouth, right, And so it's
more about that it's a visual being so strong that
the auditory plays backseat. But it's not a weakness. It's
(18:48):
actually a superpower in terms of abstract thinking. In fact,
I would argue that your abstract thinking is probably on
another level that sometimes people can't get too as fast
as you can.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You know, that's that's muscle power.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, exactly, that's what's happening. And usually those things actually
usually come with a high IQ because it's not because
it that's the cocktail, like, that's the all of those
pieces together. I think this sounds breaking up.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
So now, coaches, and you are your coaching coaches, and
you've carved into that market, you saw a loophole in
the market, and how did all of these things that
we've discussed prior help you to build what it is
(19:48):
that you're doing now. Because coaches have egos, and the
telecoach that there their coaching course is not good make
a bit of trepidation.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Sure, No, absolutely, So I've actually a couple of things happened, right.
I had a mentor, one of the guys from the
bar that I met that introduced me internet marketing, you know,
kind of kept like showing me the world of online marketing. Right.
I didn't jump ship right away. I'm went to a
Tony Robbins event, walked through fire, and then quit my job.
So it was like an immediate out kind of a thing.
(20:27):
And even when I quit my job, I didn't know
what I was doing next. I knew i'd be in
the online marketing space, but I didn't even have it
that this was what I was doing. I ended up
teaming up with somebody that my original mentor introduced me to,
and we became business partners. And one day she said, Hey, Carrie,
(20:47):
I'm going away for the weekend, but when I get
back on Monday, I need to create an online course.
No idea how to do it? Okay, talk the end,
we'll click. And it was just like that, and I
was like, I know how to do that, and so
I wrote my process that's based on over five hundred
research studies on the human brain and how it connects
to content, and I built that out in a weekend
and then on Monday morning, I walked her through it
(21:09):
and she said to me, you need to be selling
this to other people. And so she got me my
first couple of coaching clients that way, outside of our
actual business. But the year went on and my now
husband I met him and we were dating, and he
said to me, you don't need to be working with
(21:29):
her over here, you need to be doing this. And
so it was really his faith in me that I
was like, okay. And then I, you know, we had
my former partner and I had the most amical breakup ever.
It's like written in the history books of how nice
people can be when they part ways. And I really
just leaned into what my now husband's advice was in
terms of that, and I got really lucky in terms
(21:50):
of I got really good clients off the bat. So
my first two clients were Anthony Trucks and Jay Bear,
who was the second most tweeted by chief marketing officers
the year that I met him. He speaks on three
hundred stages a year at least before COVID, that was
his numbers, and he like, when I was reading one
of his books, I was like oh, Gary vaynerchuks in here.
(22:12):
How did you get him? He's like, oh, we're good friends.
I'm like, oh, I should have charged you more. But
that was my thought there. But what I really found
is working with these advanced individuals, like I've worked with
Clickbank digital marketer was a client. You know I've been around, yes,
so yeah, of course you know. And so I've worked
(22:33):
with really good marketers and really good thought leaders and
really good authors, even Meerman Scott, like, I've been so blessed.
But what I've found is all of these people are
always looking for how can I do it better? So,
I mean you may think that they're like, oh, I'm
on top of my game. I don't need someone telling me.
And it's like usually the best ones actually want that.
It's the same thing where like you know, Michael Jordan
(22:56):
had a coach outside of his basketball coach, he had
another coach, Right, It's like the best in their games
they want that because they want to know how to
make greater impact. And look, we've had clients get up
to ninety seven percent completion rates when the industry averages
three to five percent. So when you look at what
that does on back end sales and numbers. I was
hired to do an evaluation of a program, and I
(23:18):
wanted to fix the program. I really did, but they
ended up selling the company, so I didn't get to
But when I first talked to them, they were doing
one hundred mili annually in course sales, so great numbers
in that department, right, they were doing everything by the
book marketing, they were doing excellent. They had a three
point nine percent completion rate on their online course and
they had back end offers three point nine percent. And
(23:41):
I'm like, yo, what would your online back end offer
profit be if that was raised to ten or fifteen,
let alone ninety seven? You know what I'm saying. So
like the people that are really about their business, and
especially if they're serious in this space, they want somebody
looking at those kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
So Ryan Dice. So now that's just that you work
with the Ryan Dice. The first lesson that I learned
from them was how much are you willing to pay
for a customer? And in your online courses? What I've
what I've and I've done a lot of online courses.
(24:20):
What distinguishes them is two things. And they've had people
to walk away and start their own stuff and had
to come back because he had he had this this
this rhythm. One is the rhythm. How important is the
rhythm of the course? And what I mean by rhythm
(24:42):
that the time. They never let their intros go over
four minutes. It was always in a certain time. The intros.
They segmented the courses in a way that was like
you had this ebb and flow because a person like myself,
I couldn't sit down for more than ten minutes or
(25:03):
twenty with I'll scrolling through my phone. And how important
is that when you're looking at develop it?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Sure? So I mean, really the length of the course
is however long it takes you to teach it. But
I would argue that no courses should be over four
to six hours max. Like that's the sweet spot. Anything
over them that you're taking people's life force away. You know,
We've got this thing where like I'm giving time, so
I'm giving value. But that's the wrong equation. I'm taking time.
I'm taking your life force.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Like right, so you flipped it, Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I flip it. So if somebody could pay you one
thousand dollars and you could give them a wrench that
solved their ten thousand dollars problem. Instead of taking the program,
they'd take the wrench, right, they don't. It's not about
that they want their outcome. So some outcomes do come
with learning. I'm not like saying like, hey, they don't
want to course at all, it's not it. But if
(25:54):
you have something like that, it's more about like how
fast can you get them from where they are now
to where they want to be? And you have to
really what Ryan's really good at and the whole team
at Digital Marketers really good at and in guiding others
through is that point of like figuring out what are
these people? Who are these people? And what do they
want to buy? Right, That's the first part of it,
(26:14):
and then it's what do they want to buy? But
like in terms of stages is the other thing. Right, So,
I've been inside of twenty five hour courses before, I've
been inside of forty five hour recourses before, and like
all I can say is no, I don't want to
do that with and so, and you had to think
nobody does. But sometimes course creators like get so excited
and to your point too, they've done research that not
(26:37):
DM you know, another learning management system did research that
found that people fall off at the seven minute mark
on videos. So anything over seven minutes is a giant
waste of time. And I would argue to your point
you said, you play on your phone. I have a
block scheme on my phone that I play on when
i'm ever I'm on a learning something that's not like
client related, but like because I have to do multiple
(26:58):
things at once, I can't do it.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I cannot do that.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, so yeah, it's just a physical something I'm doing
while I'm you know, learning. But I think those things
are actually like okay, it's just a matter of like
you have to monitor your comprehension right and monitor your
meaning what I mean by that, Like that's for reading,
that's for taking a program. If you get to the
point where you don't know what the person said, or
you're thinking about what you're having for dinner, Yeah, go
(27:23):
back a couple of lines because you probably fell off.
But aside from that, if you need to walk or
move around, like, these are normal things, but they've been
kind of oppressed in us as learners because of the
model of education that we have that's built on this
on the method that Ford was creating that really had
more to do with you know, the seat time, sit down,
(27:45):
follow directions because you're going to work in my factory,
and nothing to do with you know, how people actually learn?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
So so when when when we find ourselves like being
Chouldrey and and that's what I'll I liked about the
DM because I took other courses and they give you
everything in one setting. But they'll take that one course
and yes it's four hours, but they'll break it, they'll
segment it into chump pieces, right, and then you're taking it,
(28:18):
so you don't feel Actually, when you finish the seven
minutes or the ten minutes or however long, you get
excited because you're excited to learn more. For me, I'm
an a learner. I try to learn something new every day.
Rather it's about politics or money or whatever you know
(28:41):
right now, like neuroscience, I teach mindfulness, meditation. I'm a
pastor learn about scripture. So but I have to do
it my way. Like if you sat down and said
take learn this, I'm gonna feel is a sure and
it's in my mind. Don't work like.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
That, No, absolutely, I'm actually in a neuroscience course to Harvard.
They have university classes for free on Harvard right now, Yes,
and there's uh huh, it's cool. So yeah, it's learning
shouldn't be a chore. It should be something that people
are excited about, especially if you're creating an online course.
It's like they want their outcome and you have to
(29:27):
think about what that really is. See a lot of
people go into it from well, a couple of different perspectives.
Like one is the oh gosh, it's say, I call
it the everything but the kitchen sink method, where it's like,
I want to tell you everything that I've learned in
my life because that'll help you. And it's like nobody
wants to be you. I don't know how to say that,
but it's not no, but like I have to be
(29:50):
like kick gloves sometimes, you.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Know, especially when you're charging.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, well no, but they do pay me to be honest,
so that part's great. But like the I do have
a way of saying it nicer, but still, nobody wants
to be you. They don't want to learn everything, you know,
they just want their outcome. But if you can like
really get that clear in terms of what you do,
that's super special. That isn't your process that came from
chash ept, but is your process because you've done this
over and over again and you've helped people with this,
(30:18):
and you know what this does for them, and that
changes their finances, their relationships, their health, their businesses. They
are going to be excited about it. And if you
can get them wins, like if you're actually having them
apply it and they are getting ones and they're seeing
those things in real time, they can be excited about
learning too. It's just what's great about online courses is
(30:38):
that nobody has to take them right, So if somebody's
in it, it's because they wanted to, you know, And
so then it's just our desire to like make sure
that you know, we are serving while they're there and
they're getting what they need. And that's that's the sweet sauce.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
It's funny because it's Sunday morning past Sunday, I have
the guest preacher another church, and I'm appreciate about what
we're newing the mind and us neuroplasticity, and I'm talking
about how to mind is you know, ap pliable. Somebody
(31:17):
from the choir said, what the hell because people are
not talking about this right. So when we do an
online course, what we're trying to do. Is what different? Yes,
what's the end goal of somebody that's doing an online course?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
What do we cha creating one or taking one?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Creating creating? Still from both perspectives, Yeah, the creators has
a goal and a taker has a goal.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, And so there's a couple of different ways to
look at it too. So like the creator has a
goal in terms of like that particular program, imparting that
particular wisdom to somebody else, right, or that to somebody else.
But there's also from the perspective of they're building their business, right,
and so they're looking at it in terms of, like,
what is the best monetization strategy for my business at
this point in time? And usually an online course is
(32:14):
what people get to when they are tired of trading
time for money, right, or time for money in the
fashion in the fashion that they're used to. So it
might be an what I mean by that, there might
be an online course with a coaching or community component
where there's still showing up, but they're not showing up
to the degree to which they would be if they
were doing one on one right, And so there's that
(32:35):
element of it. And so if there's somebody that's in
the online program, Well, they're trying to get that result.
I mean, that's the main thing, you know, And to
your point, that plasticity that really comes from doing anything different.
So like if you're trying to like you're like standing
at home and you're like, okay, well I might not
be the best learner. I'm going to tell you. If
(32:56):
you brush your teeth with your right hand, go ahead
and brush it with your left today. Now, if you're
used to going home one direction in your car at
the end of the day, change directions, turn left instead
of right at some point, and then see how you
get home. You know, because all of those little choices
that we make that are different than the things that
we usually do, create that, you know, and put us
(33:16):
into an environment where we are just becoming a new
person without even necessarily seeing it.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
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Speaker 1 (34:10):
Peace. M
I've heard of people using AI for their relationship issues.
This guy was in a relationship with this woman, stayed
by her side through breast cancer four years, and then
still ended up. She broke up with them because, yeah,
I told her to, you know, like, use it for
what it is, not for what it isn't.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So I'm in the process of finalizing my book, and
I know I keep teasing. That's why I haven't been
talking about it because what I realized that the component
of the book, I gave so much information and I
didn't have a course to align with the book. And
(00:41):
if those of you who are listening you want to
give people some things that they could actually chew on
and work and work out. We do realize that when
people sign up for courses, they don't necessarily finish the course.
(01:02):
They sign up, they excited, they don't necessarily finish. I
didn't want Awakening I Am to be one of those courses,
so I took a little bit more time to really
dissect and to regurgitate all of those things. And then
so much has happened in the world of AI that
(01:24):
I had to update the book. So the book, but
probably by the time you're listening to this. The book
is out, but the book is finished. It's really at
the last goal line. However, I do want to talk
to people that are working in the online space because
we are watching two things change drastically. One is the
(01:49):
way that we build out our funnel. So the funnel
is different from a website, and the funnel is purposeful
for courses. If you have an online course, how you
drive people down the funnel and the lower they get
to the end of the funnel, the better the response
(02:10):
in economics, because you're driving them to from a I'm
just perusing to on pain. But a lot of those
don't work, and they don't work for a specific reason,
and that's what this episode is about. My name is
(02:31):
Noraen Tillman. You are listening to Walking Victory, where we
sit you at the feet of the masters and we
dive deep into conversations like this where we help you
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(02:53):
not only do we sit you at the feel of
the masters, we have conversations to evolve your life. Doctor Rose,
thank you for joining us. So when you hear the
word funnel or and you see the landscape of what's
happening today with the advent of AI. Good We woke
(03:16):
up one day and AI was just the chat GPT
open AI and all that stuff is just happening. What
are you saying to people.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Now in terms of how AI has changed the conversation. Yes,
I mean it definitely has. I mean, you know, it's
made it so that for all of us that are
in the expert space, it's made it a ton easier
for us to you create content to get our message out.
You know, if you if you're not posting on social
like what did you do? Like, it's not because you
(03:45):
couldn't come up with a thought. Now you've got somebody
that can debate your thought with you.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So there's there's that end of it. There's that beautiful
piece where it's like you have an at home coach
if you use them them.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
The miss step that I've been seeing with the use
of AI, especially for entrepreneurs that are in the starting
phases and that expert industry or expert space, is when
they have AI create their methodology for them. So I've
been on coaching calls of individuals and no names of course,
right where they said like, oh, this is my methodology,
(04:22):
and they'll give me an acronym for something, right, and
maybe the acronyms like help, but like the H and
the E and the L and the P stand for
you know, whatever else and so and I'm like, okay, great,
is that is that what you do? Is that your specialization?
Is that your secret sauce? And they'll be like, oh, well,
I mean I don't really know what the L and
the P, but but the E in the H, I
mean I can kind of do those and like, hold
(04:43):
up a minute, how did you get to this being
your process? Because what you're telling me is it's not
your process. What is this? And then it usually comes
down to, oh, well, I thought I needed an acronym
and I sat down with chat GPT and this is
what it gave me. And it like we now as experts,
(05:03):
have to be a ton more discerning if we're using AI.
Our job is to use AI as an assistant, not
as the major guide. And that doesn't mean it can't
be a coach in some regards, but it can't take
the place of you, your methodology, your brain and how
you support people. It is only a tool at least
at this point in time. And I know that AI's
(05:26):
tools are the IQ level of the AIS are catching up.
You know, they're moving a little bit faster. But even still,
if you look at it, oh gosh, there's so many
times where it what do they call the word hallucinates, Yeah,
it'll hallucinate. It'll tell you something completely different that didn't happen.
I've had people use AI like, not me, but I've
(05:46):
heard of people using AI for their relationship issues. This
guy was in a relationship with this woman, stayed by
her side through breast cancer four years, and then still
ended up. She broke up with them because THEA I
told her to, you know, like, use it for what
it is, not for what it isn't count.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
We started on this foot, but we're gonna transition to
where we need to be. AI does have the hallucinat
hallucinogenic mindset. I wrote in my book one of the
things that I said is AI is like a teenager.
They don't know the answer, but they're gonna convince you
(06:30):
they know exactly what they're talking about. Because instead of
saying I don't know, it's two things. If you're listening. One,
AI doesn't have a memory yet, and they're chat GPT six,
which will unveil itself in twenty twenty six, has memory
(06:52):
and will have emotions. So we'll pick up from where
we left off yesterday. And you and you know, if
you're creating a project and you said, okay, hey, let's
go back, let's jump back into the project, and I
want you to give me and it's going to give
you an answer, but it's not going to be what
(07:15):
the conversation was. Yes, it's not going to say to you,
I don't remember what we talked about yesterday. Prompt me.
And that's why prompting is so important, because we have
to prompt every time we have these every time we
use these tools. But what you do is very unique
(07:38):
because you help coaches to really really package their online
message rather it's a coaching chorus or anything. Tell me
how did you find out that that was who you were?
(07:58):
And secret sauce don't give away?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, well there's too many no, But I actually, when
I was younger, I had something known as selective mutism.
So for six years of my life I barely spoke.
And I'm also dyslexic. I have ADHD auditory processing issues
I was left handed. You know, they made me right
handed because it was the and that's what they did
back then. But yeah, so I got to fifth grade
(08:25):
and I didn't know how to read. And again it
was the eighties. It was the time period of just
passing them along and whatever. But in today's education environment,
somebody that didn't know how to read entering fifth grade,
I probably would have been held back twice increased likelihood
for dropout and increased likelihood for the prison population. Like
it was. You know that that's where my trajectory would
(08:47):
have been. And I had one teacher in Annabur, Michigan
take me from that to the highest standardized test score
that school had seen in one year's time. And so
what she taught me was so sorry, I have a
tickle in my throat just one second. What she taught
me was the power that we have to create impact
(09:10):
when we care and we know the right strategies. And
so I'm so sorry, this is bad. I never get
the tickles like this. And so I spent ten years
of my adult life trying to be missus Taylor and
try to emulate her. And I was working and primarily
(09:32):
title Ion school, so a lot of kids from lower
socioeconomic backgrounds, and they love economic backgrounds. And they'd go
home at the end of the day on Friday and
you didn't know if they were getting fed till Monday morning.
And so, you know a lot of people when they
say they want to do missionary work, I'm like, start here,
start in America.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
And walk over the guy on the train.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, right, No, we've got people here that need help, right,
And so so I spent a long time there really
kind of honing my craft and working into like research
based strategies like what moves the needle. I decided to
get my doctorate and that leadership. I thought I'd work
for the Department of ED, either at the state or
federal level, which now I'm glad I didn't, But back
(10:16):
then I went to Tallahassee and on a doctor World
class field trip, which was hysterical. But I met Department
of ED, senator's house, a rep, and union reps, and
what I found was everybody seemed really like miserable. And
I was like, there's no way I'm going to commit
my life to being an environment where people don't feel
good or happy about what they're doing. That's not to
(10:37):
say everyone was. That was just my experience. So I'm
in a world of beer one night in walk three
internet marketers and there's a great SEO joke in there somewhere.
But they introduced me to affiliate marketing and online marketing
and they were saying things that I had never heard before.
And so, you know, once you get in that kind
of space, you kind of start going down the rabbit hole.
(10:57):
What can I read? What can I learn? What can
I study? And they kept giving me online courses to take,
and so I'm taking these online programs and when I'm
unpacking is they are just as bad as the worst
classroom on the worst day. You know, like people teach
how they've been taught, or they teach how they learned.
And when they teach how they've been taught, it depends
on what examples they've had. And when they teach how
(11:17):
they learn, it's siloed, so they're missing how everybody else learns.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Right about, doctor, I have to ask your question right there.
So you're saying, because you just gave your history and
thank you for being so transparent. Yeah, because I too,
I have what they call the jedis. I call them
the jitas. I can't sis still, Yeah, I mean very inquisitive.
(11:45):
I ask more than I'm given because I'm like, this
don't make sense. So you're saying you were you used
your what society what's called you're imperfection to help craft
and carve out a market.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, no exactly. I mean what society calls my imperfection
is the same thing that Richard Branson has. He's dyslexic.
In fact, like one third of business owners are dyslexic.
So if you don't need to know how to teach
a population that is a little bit neurospicy in these
online programs or how to guide them, you are missing
(12:28):
the mark for most of these for a good chunk
of you know your audience, if your audience is business owners.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Can you say that again? Neuro what.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Neurospicy? So neurodi virgin I'm gonna use that Armies.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yes, neurospicy. I'm neurospicyd John, you have been listening to
me for a long time. Chat, I'm neurospicy and I'm
talking to doctor Rose who introduced me to that term
in our neurospiciness. How did you developed the business model?
(13:10):
Because it's one thing you you went from a path
of not understanding who you were or not seeing yourself
in society or fitting in right, So you carved your
way in and and the reason why I'm saying that
is because when persons don't talk, they don't feel.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Like they have a voice. When persons don't respond, they
don't feel like they they there. But now you are
a thought leader. Big here of doctor.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Okay, so the sound broke up a little bit. But
I think what you're saying is like, what was like
how did they go from the education component into building
a business model around it? And it wasn't direct what.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I was asking, because I really want you to dive
into this and you have what I What I was
really asking is like a lot of times when you
have to overcome the things that you overcame not talking,
not not you know, and now being a leader standing
in front of people, let's get let's unpack that. How
(14:31):
did you overcome that fear of standing in the room
being a thought leader? And then we'll go back. I'm
going to go forward and then we will work our
way backwards.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Or how did they go from lake as quiet as
the wall to you know, get that's that's a big thing.
So yeah, good friends. I did competitive speech in high school,
so internationals, I did drama, I did chorus. I have
to degrees in theater, so I taught like in front
of three hundred and fifty students at the University of
(15:05):
Alabama because I was a TA. So like I started
getting in the point where it's just like practice, you know,
And I can't say that I don't like almost vomit
a little bit before I get up on stage. Like
it's it's pretty much every time. But like the truth
of it is, when you're up there, most of the
people in the room don't want to trade places with you,
(15:26):
and so it's like a really kind of like when
you sit there and think about it that way, it's
like they I don't know, at least in my mind.
I feel them supporting me when people are in the audience.
I feel their love for me when it's not like
I'm so great, but more like you know, God's love
for me. I feel it when people are in the
audience with me. It's like it's no longer about me.
(15:49):
It's not my ego, it's not like it's not the degrees,
it's not any that like I'm here in this room
with these people in this moment. My job's to serve,
so like I need to make sure that when they
leave they have what they need, and I don't. I
don't worry about the rest of it. And then I
get off and go, you know, just a full moment because.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Like when you first had that experience, because and I'm
really honing in on this because my personal experience. I
started singing when I was about five or six years old,
and I would always finish it, so I close my
eyes or turn my back to the audience and run
off and drop the mic. And I had a mentor
(16:36):
she didn't even remember that she said this to me.
She said, this mic is going to take you out
of the projects. Don't drop your mic. You got a voice,
and it gave me confidence because somebody believed in me.
They they approached I don't know what was what it
was about her approach, or what it was that she
said to me, even though she didn't even remember that
(16:57):
she said it. That that helped me overcome this that
got hurdle of being afraid of being judged or being
afraid of not being good enough. So that's the only
reason why I'm asking, because I personally went through what
(17:20):
you were. I used to write my b's and d's backwards,
and they put me in the front of the class
and with a big B and D big B, little
big little big B. And of our friends come in class. Oh,
he don't know how to write his b's and d's.
So yeah, and I'm never I never expressed this on
my show before.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Well, and it's really interesting too about dyslexia. Not to
go too far into it, but it wasn't that you
didn't know your bes from your d's. It's that your
brain really operated like the bees and d's are not
flat on the paper. Your brain was like iron Man.
I don't know if you remember the scene where he
holds up his hands and then he's starting to like
move computers trains around and be it and whatever. And
(18:03):
that abstract model is how a dyslexic brains work. They're
actually incredibly visually talented, and they have trouble because the
visual is so strong, the auditory goes down and so
what's really happening and there, when I say auditory processing issues,
it's hard for us to pick sounds apart. So like
if you close your eyes and I go it's hard
(18:26):
to tell which one is which if you close your
eyes and I go, that's the thch and the F
and you can't necessarily tell the sound is actually different
unless you're looking at somebody's mouth, right, And so it's
more about that it's a visual being so strong that
the auditory plays backseat. But it's not a weakness. It's
(18:48):
actually a superpower in terms of abstract thinking. In fact,
I would argue that your abstract thinking is probably on
another level that sometimes people can't get too as fast
as you can.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You know, that's that's muscle power.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, exactly, that's what's happening. And usually those things actually
usually come with a high IQ because it's not because
it that's the cocktail, like, that's the all of those
pieces together. I think this sounds breaking up.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
So now, coaches, and you are your coaching coaches, and
you've carved into that market, you saw a loophole in
the market, and how did all of these things that
we've discussed prior help you to build what it is
(19:48):
that you're doing now. Because coaches have egos, and the
telecoach that there their coaching course is not good make
a bit of trepidation.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Sure, No, absolutely, So I've actually a couple of things happened, right.
I had a mentor, one of the guys from the
bar that I met that introduced me internet marketing, you know,
kind of kept like showing me the world of online marketing. Right.
I didn't jump ship right away. I'm went to a
Tony Robbins event, walked through fire, and then quit my job.
So it was like an immediate out kind of a thing.
(20:27):
And even when I quit my job, I didn't know
what I was doing next. I knew i'd be in
the online marketing space, but I didn't even have it
that this was what I was doing. I ended up
teaming up with somebody that my original mentor introduced me to,
and we became business partners. And one day she said, Hey, Carrie,
(20:47):
I'm going away for the weekend, but when I get
back on Monday, I need to create an online course.
No idea how to do it? Okay, talk the end,
we'll click. And it was just like that, and I
was like, I know how to do that, and so
I wrote my process that's based on over five hundred
research studies on the human brain and how it connects
to content, and I built that out in a weekend
and then on Monday morning, I walked her through it
(21:09):
and she said to me, you need to be selling
this to other people. And so she got me my
first couple of coaching clients that way, outside of our
actual business. But the year went on and my now
husband I met him and we were dating, and he
said to me, you don't need to be working with
(21:29):
her over here, you need to be doing this. And
so it was really his faith in me that I
was like, okay. And then I, you know, we had
my former partner and I had the most amical breakup ever.
It's like written in the history books of how nice
people can be when they part ways. And I really
just leaned into what my now husband's advice was in
terms of that, and I got really lucky in terms
(21:50):
of I got really good clients off the bat. So
my first two clients were Anthony Trucks and Jay Bear,
who was the second most tweeted by chief marketing officers
the year that I met him. He speaks on three
hundred stages a year at least before COVID, that was
his numbers, and he like, when I was reading one
of his books, I was like oh, Gary vaynerchuks in here.
(22:12):
How did you get him? He's like, oh, we're good friends.
I'm like, oh, I should have charged you more. But
that was my thought there. But what I really found
is working with these advanced individuals, like I've worked with
Clickbank digital marketer was a client. You know I've been around, yes,
so yeah, of course you know. And so I've worked
(22:33):
with really good marketers and really good thought leaders and
really good authors, even Meerman Scott, like, I've been so blessed.
But what I've found is all of these people are
always looking for how can I do it better? So,
I mean you may think that they're like, oh, I'm
on top of my game. I don't need someone telling me.
And it's like usually the best ones actually want that.
It's the same thing where like you know, Michael Jordan
(22:56):
had a coach outside of his basketball coach, he had
another coach, Right, It's like the best in their games
they want that because they want to know how to
make greater impact. And look, we've had clients get up
to ninety seven percent completion rates when the industry averages
three to five percent. So when you look at what
that does on back end sales and numbers. I was
hired to do an evaluation of a program, and I
(23:18):
wanted to fix the program. I really did, but they
ended up selling the company, so I didn't get to
But when I first talked to them, they were doing
one hundred mili annually in course sales, so great numbers
in that department, right, they were doing everything by the
book marketing, they were doing excellent. They had a three
point nine percent completion rate on their online course and
they had back end offers three point nine percent. And
(23:41):
I'm like, yo, what would your online back end offer
profit be if that was raised to ten or fifteen,
let alone ninety seven? You know what I'm saying. So
like the people that are really about their business, and
especially if they're serious in this space, they want somebody
looking at those kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
So Ryan Dice. So now that's just that you work
with the Ryan Dice. The first lesson that I learned
from them was how much are you willing to pay
for a customer? And in your online courses? What I've
what I've and I've done a lot of online courses.
(24:20):
What distinguishes them is two things. And they've had people
to walk away and start their own stuff and had
to come back because he had he had this this
this rhythm. One is the rhythm. How important is the
rhythm of the course? And what I mean by rhythm
(24:42):
that the time. They never let their intros go over
four minutes. It was always in a certain time. The intros.
They segmented the courses in a way that was like
you had this ebb and flow because a person like myself,
I couldn't sit down for more than ten minutes or
(25:03):
twenty with I'll scrolling through my phone. And how important
is that when you're looking at develop it?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Sure? So I mean, really the length of the course
is however long it takes you to teach it. But
I would argue that no courses should be over four
to six hours max. Like that's the sweet spot. Anything
over them that you're taking people's life force away. You know,
We've got this thing where like I'm giving time, so
I'm giving value. But that's the wrong equation. I'm taking time.
I'm taking your life force.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Like right, so you flipped it, Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I flip it. So if somebody could pay you one
thousand dollars and you could give them a wrench that
solved their ten thousand dollars problem. Instead of taking the program,
they'd take the wrench, right, they don't. It's not about
that they want their outcome. So some outcomes do come
with learning. I'm not like saying like, hey, they don't
want to course at all, it's not it. But if
(25:54):
you have something like that, it's more about like how
fast can you get them from where they are now
to where they want to be? And you have to
really what Ryan's really good at and the whole team
at Digital Marketers really good at and in guiding others
through is that point of like figuring out what are
these people? Who are these people? And what do they
want to buy? Right, That's the first part of it,
(26:14):
and then it's what do they want to buy? But
like in terms of stages is the other thing. Right, So,
I've been inside of twenty five hour courses before, I've
been inside of forty five hour recourses before, and like
all I can say is no, I don't want to
do that with and so, and you had to think
nobody does. But sometimes course creators like get so excited
and to your point too, they've done research that not
(26:37):
DM you know, another learning management system did research that
found that people fall off at the seven minute mark
on videos. So anything over seven minutes is a giant
waste of time. And I would argue to your point
you said, you play on your phone. I have a
block scheme on my phone that I play on when
i'm ever I'm on a learning something that's not like
client related, but like because I have to do multiple
(26:58):
things at once, I can't do it.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I cannot do that.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, so yeah, it's just a physical something I'm doing
while I'm you know, learning. But I think those things
are actually like okay, it's just a matter of like
you have to monitor your comprehension right and monitor your
meaning what I mean by that, Like that's for reading,
that's for taking a program. If you get to the
point where you don't know what the person said, or
you're thinking about what you're having for dinner, Yeah, go
(27:23):
back a couple of lines because you probably fell off.
But aside from that, if you need to walk or
move around, like, these are normal things, but they've been
kind of oppressed in us as learners because of the
model of education that we have that's built on this
on the method that Ford was creating that really had
more to do with you know, the seat time, sit down,
(27:45):
follow directions because you're going to work in my factory,
and nothing to do with you know, how people actually learn?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
So so when when when we find ourselves like being
Chouldrey and and that's what I'll I liked about the
DM because I took other courses and they give you
everything in one setting. But they'll take that one course
and yes it's four hours, but they'll break it, they'll
segment it into chump pieces, right, and then you're taking it,
(28:18):
so you don't feel Actually, when you finish the seven
minutes or the ten minutes or however long, you get
excited because you're excited to learn more. For me, I'm
an a learner. I try to learn something new every day.
Rather it's about politics or money or whatever you know
(28:41):
right now, like neuroscience, I teach mindfulness, meditation. I'm a
pastor learn about scripture. So but I have to do
it my way. Like if you sat down and said
take learn this, I'm gonna feel is a sure and
it's in my mind. Don't work like.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
That, No, absolutely, I'm actually in a neuroscience course to Harvard.
They have university classes for free on Harvard right now, Yes,
and there's uh huh, it's cool. So yeah, it's learning
shouldn't be a chore. It should be something that people
are excited about, especially if you're creating an online course.
It's like they want their outcome and you have to
(29:27):
think about what that really is. See a lot of
people go into it from well, a couple of different perspectives.
Like one is the oh gosh, it's say, I call
it the everything but the kitchen sink method, where it's like,
I want to tell you everything that I've learned in
my life because that'll help you. And it's like nobody
wants to be you. I don't know how to say that,
but it's not no, but like I have to be
(29:50):
like kick gloves sometimes, you.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Know, especially when you're charging.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, well no, but they do pay me to be honest,
so that part's great. But like the I do have
a way of saying it nicer, but still, nobody wants
to be you. They don't want to learn everything, you know,
they just want their outcome. But if you can like
really get that clear in terms of what you do,
that's super special. That isn't your process that came from
chash ept, but is your process because you've done this
over and over again and you've helped people with this,
(30:18):
and you know what this does for them, and that
changes their finances, their relationships, their health, their businesses. They
are going to be excited about it. And if you
can get them wins, like if you're actually having them
apply it and they are getting ones and they're seeing
those things in real time, they can be excited about
learning too. It's just what's great about online courses is
(30:38):
that nobody has to take them right, So if somebody's
in it, it's because they wanted to, you know, And
so then it's just our desire to like make sure
that you know, we are serving while they're there and
they're getting what they need. And that's that's the sweet sauce.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
It's funny because it's Sunday morning past Sunday, I have
the guest preacher another church, and I'm appreciate about what
we're newing the mind and us neuroplasticity, and I'm talking
about how to mind is you know, ap pliable. Somebody
(31:17):
from the choir said, what the hell because people are
not talking about this right. So when we do an
online course, what we're trying to do. Is what different? Yes,
what's the end goal of somebody that's doing an online course?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
What do we cha creating one or taking one?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Creating creating? Still from both perspectives, Yeah, the creators has
a goal and a taker has a goal.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, And so there's a couple of different ways to
look at it too. So like the creator has a
goal in terms of like that particular program, imparting that
particular wisdom to somebody else, right, or that to somebody else.
But there's also from the perspective of they're building their business, right,
and so they're looking at it in terms of, like,
what is the best monetization strategy for my business at
this point in time? And usually an online course is
(32:14):
what people get to when they are tired of trading
time for money, right, or time for money in the
fashion in the fashion that they're used to. So it
might be an what I mean by that, there might
be an online course with a coaching or community component
where there's still showing up, but they're not showing up
to the degree to which they would be if they
were doing one on one right, And so there's that
(32:35):
element of it. And so if there's somebody that's in
the online program, Well, they're trying to get that result.
I mean, that's the main thing, you know, And to
your point, that plasticity that really comes from doing anything different.
So like if you're trying to like you're like standing
at home and you're like, okay, well I might not
be the best learner. I'm going to tell you. If
(32:56):
you brush your teeth with your right hand, go ahead
and brush it with your left today. Now, if you're
used to going home one direction in your car at
the end of the day, change directions, turn left instead
of right at some point, and then see how you
get home. You know, because all of those little choices
that we make that are different than the things that
we usually do, create that, you know, and put us
(33:16):
into an environment where we are just becoming a new
person without even necessarily seeing it.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
And there you have it. I told you we only
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a master class with doctor Rose. All of her information
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Peace. M
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