ANALYZING LFG SEASON 2 w/Dr. Gina Possin (Wrestling Stew 10.22.25)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tonight on LFG. Oh, the damn work. I'll put it
in with you blue pistols.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
What can you do with this person who is new?
So they look good, you look good, and everybody's safe
as well.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Put him on a black leather jogging a black.

Speaker 4 (00:16):
Eye Jeff Lippman. It looked like she was too slow
for school, but she came out playing the hot mean girl.

Speaker 5 (00:23):
Looked fry them.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Put him mister boy them, fry them, put him and
still pull.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Boys. Put him in his stew boy, put him in
his dude boyd them put him in his.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
New This is the wrestling.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
It's stew from the wrestling suit.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
This is the LFJU recap. We go over every contestant,
every every coach. We have a special guest with first.
He is the lawyer extraordinaire, mister Jeff. I'm Lefisto. By
the way, Hello, and hi Jeff, how are you? Can you?
Can you tell us more about you? Well more? I

(01:10):
don't know what you did this week, but also present
are amazing fabulous.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yes, why yeslfis so I could do all of those things.
Thank you Legend for that for that introduction. Yeah, I'm Jeff,
and this week it's not just the judges and the
contestants that are getting boiled and put in the stew.
Lou and I might make our way into the stew.
We might be some of the ingredients. Who knows, we'll

(01:36):
find out. Yes, our special guest is an organizational's anyway,
a psychologist and infrastructure right, infrastructure informational organization, organizational information
psychologist doctor Jina Pousine Hoosine. I know I watched everything
after just confirming it thirty seconds ago.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
That's sort of what I do.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Anyway. Doctor Gina is a psychologist, a wrestling fan, and
a woman. So it's like, my goodness, It's like, this
is like what a hat trick we have here. It's like, guest,
all star break here, so welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (02:14):
Well, thank you very much. I'll take the second half
of that as such a compliment.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, no, it's it's ayah. And this this show is
our retrospective on you know, sort of a lot of
things that happened. And during the course of the season,
Lou and I have engaged in what I call dime
store psychology, evolving contestants, headspace, inter relationships, the coaches, coaching styles,

(02:42):
the pairings, et cetera. And about six weeks ago I
asked you if you were willing to be involved in
this retrospective and you said yes, So that is great.
And then you started watching OLFG. I think you actually
started rewatching it to pay particular attention and even less
to do a couple of our episodes. That's great as well.

(03:03):
But yeah, I mean, tell the folks a little bit
about yourself or anybody who doesn't know you. I know
you've been on other shows, you know, and which is great.
You're not exclusive to us yet, but to everyone, a
little bit about yourself and what you do and why
your training makes you the perfect person to advance in

(03:23):
our LFG finals to do the retrospective.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
Absolutely, thank you. So my name again is doctor Gina
Pousine and I'm an industrial organizational psychologist. I have a
degree in general psychology with an emphasis and industrial organizational
psychologist a PhD. And I've worked in that field for

(03:46):
fifteen years, probably longer than that. And I also teach
that field as well. I direct and teach a master's
program in io psychology and I've done that for ten years.
So what is io psychology? That's really psychology of the workplace.
So how do humans perform better? How do we motivate people?

(04:09):
How do we look at teams, groups, leadership, all of
that good good stuff. And so what I thought would
be fun is since I do have such a love
for wrestling and other sports as well. I do this
with other sports too, but mainly wrestling right now, is
that's also a workplace. It's a workplace for athletes. So

(04:31):
why not take those same principles and apply it there.
So that is why I am qualified to talk about this.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
To say to that, what's THATFG?

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yes and I agree. So our first coach, let's go.
I'll go like alphabetically can't say it, but we'll start
with Bubb Bereray Dudley. What I've noticed about him, Like
and we said it throughout the show, he's really old

(05:09):
school tough love, prove me a wrong kind of deal.
You have to make him care about you before he
gives a shit, and he's I found like I think
he's not really suitable to train pretty girls because he
can't see the flaws and the mistakes. That's my dime. Like,

(05:32):
let's say about Bubb Bereray anything else you guys would
like to add, if if as edge of songs say
I see clearly, or I'm in the left field in
my baseball team, sucks is about to be sold to
somewhere else like the Expos And I don't know, let

(05:52):
me know if if I'm close to what you guys
notice about Blabbah or.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
One obviously will go in kfe alphabetically because Mark Callaway
is actually his it is first name, the last name, undertaker,
so I will. I agree with much of what you
said about Bubba. I mean, especially I found him to
be zena blind especially, but also Bubba had a style

(06:20):
that is different than all the others. So I'm gonna
call it weirder abnormal only because I have no other
frame of reference other than the five judges, including Mickey
James from last year and the few interactions of sort
of guests that they've had on the show. Bubba was
sort of like a hard ass, but I'm not and
but I'm not sure that he's really a hard ass,

(06:42):
Like it almost seemed like he was working. I'm not
sure if that's really him or really not, at least
in this context. So it felt in some ways ineffective
because he was sort of like especially you know, he
had Zena season one and zene and season two. He seemed,
you know, almost smitten. I'm not saying necessarily romantically, but

(07:03):
he was, you know, he was already ready to annoint her.
And he's not the only one that was like that
with their teammates, but he approached it so much differently.
It's like he had a wake up call three quarters
into the season. But like, if I sensely was being fake?
Am I wrong? Or am I right? Because I would
think that his mentees, his students would have felt that

(07:26):
he was being a little bit fake or you know,
maybe in the moment, given their ages, given their experience
in the situation, there's no way they pick up in
any of that. I guess the question I'm asking to
you along with LUs if you ever listened to Mike
Pesca the gist, He has a segment once a month
where he says, is that bullshit? And so doctor Gina,
what I said, is that bullshit?

Speaker 5 (07:47):
No, I think both of you are somewhat on on
the money, so your dime store psychology is working out
for you.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
To give you the.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Actual psychology we'll say is Bubba's very much a transactional leader.
So that's the actual style of leadership I was noticing
from him, and what that is is very highly ruled based.
It's very effective really in clear, high pressure situations. So
you know, it's this is what you need to do.

(08:22):
If you can give me this, this is what you're
going to get. And it's just, you know, it's a
black and white situation. Basically, there's not really a lot
of feel good about it kind of a thing. But
there's also not a lot of the harshness that comes
with some types of leadership. So it's really just a transaction,

(08:45):
and that's why it's called transactional, you know. So you know,
I got that from you less like when that was
kind of what you were trying to say, I think,
And it's it's also great for athletes who thrive under
structure counterproductive, but however, for those that need like autonomy
or encouragement. So what we'll talk about with a lot

(09:08):
of these is was there a good fit for some
of these with their mentors, some of the wrestlers with
the mentors, and that might be something in the future
if they listen that they could take a look at
and instead of drafting, is taking a look at who
fits best with who and how that might help them

(09:31):
out even more. Now from a k fabe standpopoint, it
might not matter because we're just right, we're putting together
a show. Sometimes that that conflict or where it just
doesn't you know, you have those like I mean bj
and Bubba like that made for good TV, right, So

(09:54):
they didn't work well together and that made for good TV.
So sometimes you want to have that that little bit
that doesn't work well together, but you know, you.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Got to throw it a little bit. The Teresa Judice. Yeah,
for those who don't know, she's from the Real Housewives
in New Jersey.

Speaker 5 (10:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, once you said that, I would, Oh yeah,
that's right.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
That's she's one who flipped tables.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
Yes, yeah, sometimes you need that.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Bubba tables together. Like yep, started on that.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
You know, something occurred to me that wasn't on my list.
So I want to ask you about this because like
episode one, Bubba gave Drake Moreau the opportunity of being
on his team, and Drake Moreau rejected it, feeling that
Bubba wasn't the right person for him. And I thought
that that was very courageous, very ballsy, and I hope

(10:48):
that it wasn't something that was scripted. I just wanted
to know about your quick thoughts on that. Again, I
have a whole lot of other thoughts about Drake, but
none they're all basically positive, so it's boring for this show.
I'm not going to say them.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
I think that that was a real growth moment for him, actually,
and I think that's kind of where we see like
a change, a change start for him. Is you know,
he really said I need something else, and the fact
that he ended up back with Bubba was was I
thought kind of perfect, to be honest. So I wonder

(11:23):
if that was all planned. You know, you never know
what's planned and what's not planned with all of this
and so or at what point they plan things. But
when I watched that, I thought, wow, I don't it
Sometimes when I'm watching, I'm looking for the body language
and the reactions and what is You can a lot

(11:44):
of times tell what is manufactured and what is an
actual reaction. And Bubba looked a little bit taken back
by that, So I actually don't know if that was planned.
Actually think that he was taken back because I don't
think he'd expected that. So I think that was huge

(12:06):
for Drake though to make that decision.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Well, that also means he was stuck with bj Ray,
so that was a planned also, so it's sort of
we have our own little beautiful accidents. So okay, I
wasn't planning to bring that up, but it struck me.
So anyway, I don't mean to derail the flow.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
Oh no, no, no, you're fine. I'm going to say
that that I was plays Indy. I think how bj
acted the entire time since you brought that up, is
because he probably felt like he was second choice. He
wasn't Bubba's first choice, so that's probably why he acted
the way he did the whole time.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
I don't think Bubba was his first choice either. I'm
not sure, but I mean I think we're going to
have to do a whole ten minutes on bj Ray alone.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
We will revisit him.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
I know what My biggest question about Bubba though is,
and I've already said, but what the hell?

Speaker 5 (13:02):
Oh yeah, I didn't touch on that. So I mean
there is partially you know, you've got like a leader
member exchange where when you have a close relationship you
have you tend to have a bond, and so it
could be that where they've just already formed that bond,

(13:24):
and so you see that more. I think another example
of that is Undertaker and Shiloh. There's a there's a
close bond there. Now, we may not look at it
the same way because it's a male and a female
versus a male and a male. So maybe we just
look at that and go, well, what's going on there?

(13:45):
But maybe we shouldn't be so quick to jump to
that conclusion, not saying it's romantic, but saying that he's
treating her different because she's a girl. However, then again,
it could be because of that, that could be something
maybe he is just softer on girls or tends to

(14:08):
prefer like working with women, And I mean there's a
number of different reasons that could exist because of that behavior.
My first thought really was, however, the leader member exchange,
and that's that bond that you form, and I just
think that that was a strong bond that was there.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Since we're talking about Zena, I'm gonna go ahead, and
I mean, is it possible that this bond kind of
destroyed whatever confidence she had because I feel she's a
really good athlete. But at the end of the season,
I was questioning if she you know, she's a good athlete,

(14:50):
but is she for wrestling because she studies the game,
but she doesn't seem to have a genuine interest in it.
At the end, it's like maybe it was too much,
too soon, And Bubba's always telling her she's perfect, but
when he's watching her with other coaches, he keeps like saying, like,
I told her not to do that. I don't know

(15:12):
why she's still doing that, But the problem is that
if you don't tell her, she'll never fix it. So
her flaws are never fixed. And because he tells her
she's perfect, and obviously other coaches are telling her she's not,
then I feel like I feel she wasn't really there
at the end, to the point where it's like I

(15:34):
was questioning, is it really for her? Because maybe she
felt she was there, and there's like a wake up
call that's like you're not You're not here. He's not
seeing clearly what's going on, or he doesn't want to
tell you, or because he's saying things like different things
when he's watching your matches with other coaches. So I

(15:57):
just wondering if there's any endployt you could add to that.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
Absolutely, So there's a couple things there, so one with
that transactional leadership. Sometimes those types of leaders aren't great
at giving like constructional feedback, feedback that really helps a
transformational leader. However, those are the leaders that do give

(16:22):
that feedback that needs to be there to develop, and
so that's where she might really thrive with somebody who's
a transformational leader. I think what may have happened is
she got to the point where she may have started
to self sabotage, where she was like, you know what,

(16:43):
I'm going to control my own narrative and instead of
being told that I'm no good, I'm just gonna make
sure that this goes the way that I think it's
going to go. And people do that subconsciously. This isn't
something that people consciously do. It's like a subconscious self sabotage,
so people don't often realize that they're doing that. But

(17:05):
it's it's about control, is what it comes down to.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
I think that we actually mentioned that a few times
in context with a few people, and my thinking with
Bubba and in Zena, I mean, one was the too
much too soon. I mean that's something I think we
even said episode one of the season that it seems
like too much, too soon. Is is this gonna go
to our head? Is this going to affect things? And

(17:29):
by the time Bubba realized that the bubble had burst
or or you know, decide it was time to confront her,
I mean, we can only go by the chronology of
the TV shows and not real life, it might have
been too late. But the other thing, like, if you're
a good leader, you have to know either one or
two things. One your style is so damn good that
everyone's going to listen to what you do. Like Bill Belichick,

(17:50):
Well it doesn't matter if you like it or not.
I'm so successful you do what I do. Or you
adapt to your different players, and you know, and and
so you find you coach yourself to melt to your players,
and like this is you know, two kinds. So you know,
let's just go to like you know, in real life,
you know, a regular life anyway, you know, whatever, my

(18:11):
kids in Little League, you know, there's some there's some
parents that want to protect their kids and everything they
do is great participation. Trophy's awesome, awesome, awesome. And then
you've got James Harrison, who was drafted by the Ravens.
They foolishly let him go, and he was ruled the
Steelers linebacking corps for like fourteen years, and oftentimes much

(18:32):
of the Ravens bad luck. Not that they have their
own good linebackers, but James Harris is like, throw those
participation trophies. My kids aren't gonna win anything they don't earn.
So I feel like Bubba was more like the overprotective
parent than the coach with Zina, but he wasn't necessarily
like that with everybody, And so there was something there.

(18:53):
I just don't and I am not trying to insinuate
it was romantic without saying that. I really am not
going there.

Speaker 5 (18:59):
But she may have reminded him of somebody, so he
felt he needed to protect her. There may have been
something like that, and maybe he you know, So it's
very much. And what you said there about your kids
kind of made me think of does he almost treat
her like a daughter, and that he wanted to protect her?

(19:21):
And you know, oh, you're great, you're great, You're great.
But then, just like a parent does, sometimes sits and
complaints to other people. I told her not to do that,
you know, I, Oh, why is she doing that?

Speaker 1 (19:30):
You know?

Speaker 5 (19:30):
But then doesn't want to hurt her feelings and tell
her don't do that. So it's almost sometimes like a
parent would. And so you know, I almost wonder if
there was does she remind him of somebody? I don't
know that there's that protection need there, but you know,
sometimes leaders if you don't, Yeah, I mean, it really

(19:55):
is kind of like a leader fit with the team
or with the individuals, you know, is that is that
fit there?

Speaker 2 (20:05):
That there?

Speaker 5 (20:06):
And then is the awareness there that you are you
doing the right things with the people that you have.
You know, you think about like just even on your job,
do you fit well with your manager? Does or if
you're a leader, do you fit well with your employees?
Are you finding that like there's a lot of butting
heads going on that could be because there's not a

(20:29):
good organizational fit. And the same goes with sports. You know,
we see, like you brought up, you see athletes all
the time that don't do well with one team and
then they'll go to another team and they do great.
And you know, at Baker Mayfield, minus the game he
just had, but he's the first one that comes to

(20:50):
my mind. Obviously I live in Tampa, so that's why
I think of it. Yeah, so you know, he right, Yeah,
so we think of like sometimes somebody does really well
under a certain leader, but not another one, and.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Then Tony Storm and WW versus Tony aw a whole
different thing.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Absolutely in this team. If we take A's Jamison, She's
one that was like brand new, didn't know much, but
under Bubba she got like so good in a short
period of time, and she was funny, entertaining or wrestling
was not on point, but her character she would do

(21:32):
everything Bubba told her to do, even dyre hair, and
she was able to cover her flaws with you know,
the character and her big mouth and everything. And I
really feel actually that every match she was getting better
and better under Bubba's and even at the end, I'm like,
and we questioned it he picked Zena to go to

(21:54):
the finals, but we were like A's Jamison carry that match.
She was so good as a heel, she was so
good as a character. She if she wasn't there, Zina
wouldn't look as good. And Zina had a bunch of
matches where it was not good. But then with A's
it was so was like, Bubba, you picked the wrong woman,

(22:14):
And you know with A's it fit perfectly with Bubba.
We saw her great, like from almost nothing to like
something like like a star I would see on shows
like maybe not TV yet, but a big ind show
or something. She was getting there.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
Yeah, absolutely, so Zena might have done really well with
I think Michelle or Undertaker. I think one of those
two she would have done really well with with this
style of leadership that they had.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
That's why I was I asked you, where does she
go from here? I mean, she clearly wants me in wrestling,
but I mean she needs a different coach, which I mean, listen,
Bubba isn't in the performance center normally, so she will
have other coaches. They haven't released her strangely they released Hayes,
or maybe it's not so strange. I guess we can
get to her in a bit. But I guess the
agreement is that Xena needs different stewardship to try to

(23:07):
help her progress because Bubba seemed unable to do with
whatever reasons. Now with Hayes, I don't think I've ever
seen such natural I mean, the fact that she'd only
been there five weeks, five months, whatever was that I've
seen wrestlers wrestle for twenty years who don't have that
level of spontaneity, with the ref with the crowd, with

(23:28):
the performers, with every every part of the room was
part of her canvas. I mean, it's like when you
watch Top Chef and you realize how much goes into
making a great dish. It's like everything was an ingredient
for her, and some of it I think just came
out of her head that she didn't plan. I mean,
that's like Bobby Heen and Roddy Piper kind of talent.
I don't even care. She was that good a wrestler.
She was not bad, And for the life of me,

(23:50):
I understand why she didn't win sort I absolutely do
not understand. Yeah, I understand what she didn't, but don't
understand why she was later released. And I know that
you don't have the inside scoop on that, or I
don't think you do. We don't. Well, do you have
any speculation Was there anything that you saw that we
didn't see that it would give you a reason why

(24:10):
they would give up on someone who Lofisto a veteran
of almost three decades in the sport, and me a
veteran of watching the Dark Things I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
I mean there's a possibility that I mean, we don't
get to see I wish they would show more of
the coaching. Actually they don't show as much of that,
so we don't get to see what goes on with that.
She might not be coachable, you know. There's that's and
that was something that I'm going to touch on too
with why they chose who they did, is there might

(24:44):
be people who have great work ethic, take coaching well,
are willing to, you know, listen to ideas, aren't stuck
on certain things. You know, I'm just speculating at this point.
I don't know, but these are just ideas that I
might not be I don't know, trying to think.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
I was thinking maybe it was their decision for some reason,
So we don't know.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
That's a possibility as well. Yeah, that was one, And
I mean maybe they can't figure out where she would
fit either, you know, are they are they looking long term?
Where would this person fit in our in our plans?
And maybe that's just not there with what they have
decided what they have planned. I don't know, but that's

(25:30):
that's Those would be my speculations as far as what's
going on. But yeah, I don't. I don't have a
definite answer for you on that one.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
But that was another thing I thought about because she
had kind of that drunk gimmick and I was like,
do they want to use such a character on TV
or can they? And mighty the answer is no, and
they don't see anything else for her. So maybe she
would be great on the endy scene where you could
do any kind of characters. Maybe it's not fitting for TV.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
Yeah, and maybe they wanted they wanted to go ahead
and highlight that for so you know a lot of
these wrestlers. I was thinking at first if they did
have it all planned out ahead of time, like, what's
there incentive to really give it? They're all? And then
I thought, well, of course it would be to kind
of prove themselves for someplace else that they might be
able to go and and and be seen, so, you know,

(26:26):
other my initial reaction is always like, what's what's the motivation?
So that that's got to be, you know, the motivation
I would think to to do that. But yeah, I
would have to agree with you that I don't think
that that's a good gimmick for WWE, unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
But when you have that kind of talent and spontaneity.
It's helped the creative to come up with a different character,
a different reason for it. But I mean we talked
about this on the show, and it took me about
all four seconds to come up with an alternate reason.
I mean, they're sponsored by at least two different energy drinks,
Prime and C four depending on what it is. So
how about it's just she's hopped up on energy drinks

(27:07):
that are their sponsors.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I mean we got the beer for Prime, well, and
you think about it.

Speaker 5 (27:12):
I mean they also have the Wheatly vodka from Cody Rhodes,
like with all that stuff, you know, so.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
They never made any money off a stone called Steve
Austin drinking beer and then Burlely Beer thing had more
investment in Paul Cogan's real American beer.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
So he could be the female Steve Austin. Come on,
there's money. I see her with two beers.

Speaker 5 (27:31):
I mean, right now I'm saying about three or four
things that we've dropped that you should get sponsorships.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Agree, Yes, absolutely, you are a genius, clearly, you know.
I can't even really even think of who else was
on his I mean, BJ deserves its own segment. And well,
I mean Elijah Holyfield, I think him and Baba. I mean,
if anything, he had a similar relationship with Elijah they
seemed to have with with Zena. But Elijah got hurts

(28:00):
early on and the decision not to replace him like
they did last year with Cutler James for Bjay struck
me as being odd, as Structla Fisto as being odd.
But I don't know what to say about, you know,
his relationship with Elijah Holyfield. Accept that it seem like
he was doing great and the kid has all sorts

(28:20):
of talent, but he got hurt. And yeah, I have
nothing to add to that though that doesn't mean that
there aren't things to add to.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
It, though.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
No, I just feel like he's such a natural athlete,
like he was so serious and everything he did listen,
he was humble in everything, even if he's like Evander
Olifield's son, like you wouldn't know because he wouldn't mention it.
And he was just listening, and he was like a
sponge like getting like all the information he could get,

(28:50):
and he was focused. And even with this injury, you
could see that he sees obstacles as challenge as they
motivate him. So for a coach, it's really like when
you have someone like this, like you feel fulfilled, you
feel like you want to help this person, you want
to put this person because yeah, humbole focus, wants to succeed,

(29:10):
like is not afraid of set backs like fall seven times,
get up eight. That's the kind of person I think
Elijah Olifield is. So I think for Bubba was just
like go with the flow because this guy has it's
figure out, and you know, he's one of them that
I'm you know, I can go ahead and say that
you'll probably succeed eventually because he's that like focused on

(29:32):
and you know, not into drinking, not into partying, really
like a good human being that has like priorities and yeah,
he's just like he's all in.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Yeah, I think we'll see him again. He's I think
he's like a dream worker, you know, yeah, with with.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
With the dream family pedigree as well. I mean all,
I mean everything about him. I do not know Jacob Flatu.
I don't want to ever think I do. But I
know people who know Jacob Flatu. I co host a
show with somebody who knows Jacob tATu actually, and sometimes
I co host the show with a different co host,
but it's the same show that knows Jacob tATu and

(30:15):
everyone says the same thing. I think, even Joey when
Joey Nomas from Wrestling Soup, which is where we're on,
has reft Indie matches with Jacob Fatu on. I'm not
one hundred percent, but I think so. And I think
he's said the same thing, that he's quiet, polite, respectful
and like a sponge, but you know, like Elijah is.

(30:37):
But of course Elijah's like a sponge with a sponge
was carved out of granite. But it's like that, and
Jacobatu can do it all. I mean, he looks like
it's good. He's gonna kill you, but people love him
face heel doesn't matter. I mean, and he looks like
menace and Elijah does too. But if he if he
lets us personality be out there, then you're gonna know

(30:58):
he's a sweetheart. I mean, it's he really is a
total package, other than he's a little bit short, which
matters less than twenty twenty five than it did in
nineteen ninety five or nineteen eighty five, which is, you know,
sort of where I'm stuck in, but you know, I'm
not anymore because I'm so rooting for him because I've been,
you know, following him now for two seasons, so I'm invested.
But we you know, when he was hurt, Lou and

(31:20):
I actually said what we want to hear out of
his promo because we didn't hear similar things out of
some others, and we got exactly what we wanted to
hear from him, which is something about mental maturity, which
despite them probably all being within six or seven years
of each other, there were very different level different levels

(31:41):
of mental maturity, and that's something we discussed also, and
I'm sure you'll have an opportunity to talk about that
in some contrasts. But the you know that we can
take a quick vote if we want to talk about
Bubba and BJ and all things BJ. I'll leave VJ
as his own segment because I'm sort of the mind
the BJ deserves his entire own segment, But I don't

(32:04):
know if if it's fresh on everyone's mind with bubb
and BJ, I'm happy to be out voted here.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
Let's come back to BJ beautiful.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
So let's go to Booker.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
T Let's switch team.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
So to me, Booker t was like, very dramatic. He
had questionable tactics where I was like, what the fuck?
But however, he will take time to fix problem. He
teaches my getting in there with his students actually showing
them taking their hands, placing the yeah, placing the hands

(32:38):
like move like this, this. He takes the time. He
seems to be really patient and of course, like he's
been teaching for a long time. Still has his wrestling
school where he has all his trophies and what did
he says, checks and the beltzer and championships. So obviously
he loves teaching because otherwise I don't think he would

(32:58):
be all doing it by at the same time having
a big contract with w W where he's a commentator,
has probably a legend deal or whatever deal he has,
like he's making a lot of many and he has
his own podcasts, but he's still teaching, still has a school.
Rock san peis come comes Farmary School, like very she's
a very very good athlete at a very young age too,

(33:21):
right from Bubba and not Bubba but Booker's school. So
that's pretty much my take on Booker. But yeah, some
of them, yeah, very dramatic, and he's got some good's got.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Some bad I'll guess my two cents and then we'll
go to go ahead. I love Booker. I know he's
got his wrestling school. I know he's had success with
his wrestling school. I know they trust him enough that
that that they let WWE contract talent on all levels,
work his his reality of wrestling shows with his students.
I think he's a good teacher. I'm not sure he's

(33:54):
a great teacher for everybody. I don't really think he
changes his approach, but he does confront people head on.
It reminds me very much of like Mike Tomlin and
that that he's you know, he'll be in your face.
Also John Harbaugh here and then then you know a
lot of coaches. I can't remember the guy who was
the Steelers coach before Tomlin with the chin anyway, it

(34:14):
doesn't matter. But he definitely is in people's face and
is there. But I'm not always sure that his advice
wasn't counterproductive, and specifically with regards to two people, and
it was the men and two very different men who
at least one of them seemed to think they were
in the same category. But Harlem lewis who I think

(34:35):
is exactly who Harlem thinks he is. I think Harlem
knows who he is. I'm not sure if Booker was
the right if he was exactly the right person or
exactly the wrong person, I'm not sure. And Chris Island
who I don't think Booker was right for it all,
But I'm not sure if that's a Booker problem was
a Chris problem. We can get to the women afterwards. Frankly,
I don't remember the women that were on his team

(34:57):
at this moment.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
Yeah, okay, a Booker. I also really enjoy Booker t
but I was extremely upset with him, or at least
his character. I wasn't sure if it was what he
was playing or if some of this was actually happening.

(35:20):
But right off the bat, I'm going to refer to
my notes on this, because I had very specific notes
on him. Right off the bat Episode one, he was mad,
physically frustrated, defensive, critical of Undertaker and Michelle McCool calling

(35:43):
it unfair. And from that moment forward you saw a
shift in everything that came out of his mouth, in
his body language, to the point where when they showed
all of the coaches, he was sitting all off by himself.
Did you notice that he was he was off by

(36:04):
himself and the other three or at least it was
two and then the third.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
But he worked himself into a shoot sucker, and.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
He was so jealous it seemed of Michelle McCool coming
in and taking his talent that he had worked with
the year before. I mean, it was one thing on
top of another, and it was almost like his defenses
went up and and and he said, you know what,
if you're going to do that, then this is how

(36:40):
it's going to be. And then he just fought dirty
the whole season, and you could see it with you know,
when he was telling Harlem, you know, be stiff. That
one was very upsetting to me personally, and I think
to a lot of people at least. I saw a

(37:01):
lot of things on online where people were upset with
that episode. And I think it was the timing too,
of that episode and what happened with Raja Sykes. And
you know, that was a week apart, and I know
that LFG is taped and you can't help what happens
in the same timeline of reality. But it's just unfortunate

(37:23):
that that happened so close together, because you know, you've
got young talent here who you're telling to do stuff
like that too, or is undertaker said you know take liberties,
Well you got right now.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
As you mentioned Raj on Gospel of Thomas, we had
Doug malo the Epic. He is the restler who actually
got in the ring and pulled Raja off of Sue
Stikes and we spoke to him just on the Monday
after Rajah Jackson got arrested. So go check out that
show to hear from Doug Malow Possible States Witness.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Okay, feel I feel like that timing is as good
as when they gauge with slicing for Jericho and there
was like a pizza Domino's Pizza advertisement and so that
was perfect timing. It was like, what's so terrible? I
feel it was the same. It's like, oh, not playing but.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
Yeah, like oh this is just bad timing. And but
you know, things like that made me look at it
and go, that's just you don't do that with young
talent that don't necessarily know how to interpret that. And
then they're also, like you said, mentioned his style of

(38:43):
leadership was very aggressive. I mean he's still a transactional leader,
but more aggressive so, and there's a lot of low
psychological safety there. They were probably you know, less likely
to take creative risks on their own or speak up.
They were more focused on what is it that he
wants me to do, and I'm going to do that,

(39:05):
and then that's where performance starts to slip or you know,
in that match against Shiloh, he probably not probably he
took it too far and you could see that on
Undertaker's face. You know, that was that wasn't a you know,

(39:26):
a work, that was that was his actual ways going.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
What is upset?

Speaker 5 (39:31):
Like?

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I never thought I would see the Undertaker upset, but
here we are.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
He was upset, and you know, that was a point
where it was like that was too far. And I
think that you know, Harlem just was trying to do
what he told him to do, and it did go
too far. But that's where mistakes are made, is when
you just you're more worried about pleasing your mentor than

(39:58):
you are what you're supposed to be doing. And so
I think we saw that with a lot of his
team members.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
I think Harlem knows he's a loaded gun. But if
you if you're a loaded gun, you know you're a
load gun and your coach tells you.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
To shoot, You shoot right, You've got the permission. Yeah,
Like he basically gave him the permission.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
I mean that there, or he gave him the order, right. Yeah,
I'm glad you agree on that. I mean, and the
Booker Harlem dynamic is interesting, but I mean the Harlem
Harlem dynamic I think is also interesting. I'm just not sure.
I'm just I can't put it into words, but hopefully

(40:41):
we have someone here who can well.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
The way I see him as like he's a guy
that needs anger management, but at least he knows it.
He listens, He's open to talk to fix problems. We
saw that with Boroker, like he was really upset but
had the bass to go. It's like, hey this this
they talked a sign. But he's so passionated, like serious.

(41:04):
His will to succeed is so strong that that's where
I believe he's gonna do whatever it takes to succeed. Therefore,
listens to listen, listen to Booker, to whatever he says,
because like you know, when he was in his room,
he's like, if you don't want this, the championships and
the posters and this, then you don't really want it,

(41:26):
but then he sees Booker succeeded and he wants to
so he's gonna do whatever Booker says. Like he's so
focused and he's willing to improve himself and he's really believable.
Like I remember Michelle saying, I am scared when he
comes out, and that's you know, he's he's real. But
that's the kind of downside of it, Like he's going

(41:48):
to do anything to succeed. Therefore, listen to the bad
advice of Booker who tells him to take liberties and
beat the shit out of the shallow Hill. And that's
where like he knows he's like this, but he kind
of controls it, but gets kind of blinded by the
fact that he wants to succeed so much and go

(42:09):
to like achieve his goal and be the best that
he's gonna. Yeah, he's gonna make the decision to do
things that you should not do as a wrestler, even
if the coach tells you to do it. It's it's wrong.
Look at Taker's face, it was wrong.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree. And he is very scary looking
and something that when Charlotte Flair was on in episode four,
she said, be authentic to who you are. That's the
only way the audience will believe who you are. And
that's something I think that's, you know, very true for

(42:47):
some of the best wrestlers. And I'm sure you can
attest to that that if you take your authentic self
and dial it one way or the other to be
the character that you need to be in the ring,
that's when the audience is really going to basically buy
what you're selling. Steve Austin, Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. And

(43:11):
so I really think that Harlem is being his authentic self.
I'm just a little worried about.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
But speaking of being authentic, I think it's the opposite
when it comes to Chris Island.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
He let's just yet, I just want to ask. I
understand that you're not really in a position to diagnose him,
but is there I mean, there's got to be a
word for a condition where somebody is dangers himself but
they're so self aware that they know it that it's
it's barely contained, but it is mostly contained. Like, what

(43:49):
is there like a diagnosis for that or is that
a term for that?

Speaker 5 (43:52):
Well, I wouldn't say a diagnosis, but you know, you
you touched on it with the self aware. So if
he's self aware of an any anger issues he might have,
or any violent tendencies he might have, and he's doing
things proactively to not act on those things, then that

(44:12):
I think that's just self awareness. And I'm trying to
think of it's on the tip of my tongue. But
I mean, basically, you're just being self aware and you're
you're monitoring that and making sure that you don't do
those things. There's there's a number of different possibilities of
you know, what his personality might be, but I'm not

(44:34):
I wouldn't want to even go near and diagnosing that
without knowing him personally.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Well that's there's been a real psychologists and dime store psychologists.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Me.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Okay, let's let's move lose, right. I mean, Chris Island
is extremely interesting in his own right.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, because he's like he wants to be that tough guy.
He's like, hey, if you if you get you know,
if you push my buttons, you're gonna see the danger,
which I never saw because I feel he was always
on the verge of crying. When you look at his face,
he makes up that rough persona, but he can't bring
it out when he's in the ring or when he's

(45:17):
talking or whatever, Like I don't believe what he's saying,
Like I don't feel it's real, and like he's got
a lot of potential, but I feel he needs to
find himself and maybe even fix himself because I'm not
sure he knows who he is.

Speaker 5 (45:33):
Yeah, and you hit on nail on the head with
that one. Had on Yeah, nlan head absolutely, because I
don't think he's basically figured out his gimmick and he
knows what he wants it to be, but he's not. Again,
it's not authentic. So like I could want to be

(45:53):
a six foot supermodel, I'm five foot one. I can't
convince an audience that I'm a six supermodel, you know
what I mean. So you can't convince people of something
that you were just not going to be able to portray.
And so I think, you know, if he found something
that he could be more confident in, that he'd be

(46:15):
a lot better.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
I'm going to go a step further again, dime Store. Yeah,
you know I think I did. I took enough psychology
courses in college that it would have counted as a minor.
But that was from nineteen eighty six to nineteen ninety
so I'm sure the field has changed more than a
little bit since then. But you said you weren't sure
he understood what his character is. I'm not sure he

(46:39):
understands who he is. So I don't think he can
beat because he really seemed lost. I keep thinking about
Peter Pan, but but I just felt like he was
a lost boy, like and he needed someone to shape him.
And they put him in the karate outfit than the
MMA thing, but it all felt like they were Halloween costumes.
None of them fit right. Nothing nothing felt right on him,

(47:02):
including his testimonials, his candids. In the car, he was like,
they don't want to wake up the monster me, oh boy,
they're going to see it coming. And then next time
we saw him nothing, and they's like, they don't want
to wake the monster in me, Oh they're going to
see it and and nothing. I'm not like I didn't
want to see them fight, But if you're going to
talk this way, I mean, at least Harlem and Shiloh
got into it, you know. I think Shiloh and Anthony

(47:24):
Luke got into it. I mean, people did get into
it a little bit. I mean he will over there,
I mean I said, I mean, I'm not trying to
encourage the violence. But if you're telling us you've got
this dangerous side to you, you know, don't be all
doctor Jekyll doctor Jeckley on me and never show me
hide because I never saw Hyde.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:41):
No, you you bring up a great point there. If
he doesn't know who he is personally, you know, he's
stuck in that identity versus role confusion. So if you
you've got that psychology degree, you probably remember Eric Erickson's
theories of human development. That identity role conflict is more

(48:02):
in adolescence, and he might be stuck in that where
he never really figured out who he is yet. And
some people can be stuck in that while in their twenties,
even sometimes into their thirties. And I would argue a
lot of people are stuck in that until they're about
thirty really. But so if he hasn't figured that out,
you know, he might be having a lot of He

(48:25):
might be trying on a lot of different roles to
figure out what feels right first, and then he might
also be really kind of going off of what other
people are telling him. Versus what he thinks himself, what
he feels himself is authentic. If other people are saying,
I think that you should do this, I think you

(48:47):
should do this, I think that you'd be really good
at that, or just getting that external validation might make
him feel good. So he's following what other people are saying.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Do you think it's something that happens a lot to
athletes in general? Because he's from the amateur background, And
when you're an athlete all your life, and you start
as a kid, and then you grow up as a
wrestler and your life is training, wrestling, dieting Jim, training wrestling, dieting, Jim,
a little bit of school, but it's always that it's

(49:17):
shaped your personality and you're the wrestler. So when that
time is over and you step into another world, the
wrestler's not there anymore. So who are you?

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Are you?

Speaker 5 (49:31):
Yeah? And that happens with a lot of athletes in general.
Is and I see I actually see this a lot
with my master's students. Some of them have been in
sports all their life and then they don't make it
into the pros. So they're, you know, they're a graduate
student now and they are really excuse me struggling with

(49:55):
I don't know who I am at this point. You know,
I thought my life was going to take me here
and it's not, and so there. Yeah, that is something
that a lot of athletes or some that might get
injured along the way and it takes their life a
completely different route. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Do you think that he's mentally tough enough to be
in professional wrestling, at least at this level?

Speaker 5 (50:22):
Again, I don't know him personally, so I don't. I
don't know that I could say that for sure. I
think he might need to do a little work on himself,
but I think with some coaching, he could be.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
To god, I don't remember who were the women on
Bookers team that it escapes me.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
I'll give you a name and I'll go ahead with her.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
One word that comes to mind for me is delusional.

Speaker 5 (50:51):
Oh my god, like.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Like I thought she she thought she was so much
better than she actually is. She talked about herself being
the veteran and I'm the one who leads the match.
But then again we would see her forgetting stuff, getting lost,
and she had a bad attitude overall. She would blame

(51:14):
everybody else, but herself when there was something wrong happening. Yes,
and even I was like, you know what, wrestling is
not for her. She goes from a basketball background, so
I don't understand how she can't work as a teammate
because wrestling you have to work as a team. You
can't do a match by yourself. But apparently in wrestling,

(51:35):
like she has the look, she has the you know,
the face, the but oh my god, everything else it's
like and it's always you know, someone else spot Like
when she was wrestling Serena for the final, she was like,
oh are you are you gonna remember everything? Blah blah blah.
But she's the woman forgot everything. You could clearly see it.

(51:58):
So I was like, oh my god, the deluge. Didn't he.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
Just projecting?

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (52:04):
I think she was projecting a lot. I think she was.
Also it was a lot of defensive confidence. So you know,
I tell myself this, the more the more I say this,
the more I'll believe it. Kind of a thing, you know,
fake it till you make it kind of there's a.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Drag Queen that once like it ended up being a
mean but she went like, I.

Speaker 6 (52:26):
Feel attacked, and that's how that's all I think when
I see her, I feel attacked and then she she's
like really defensive, and it's always like, oh I I
don't know, Like, yeah, she's.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Was part of character.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
Her her tone in her body language always suggested somebody
who was trying, like trying to stay in control rather
than feeling in control. And so that's why I say that,
like she seemed very much like she was very defensive
and trying to act like she was confident, but underneath,

(53:00):
I think it was a lot of self protection. She
was very quick to assert herself or assert her worth,
defend her perspective even and it makes sense if she
was probably used to having to prove herself. That might
be something that she dealt with throughout life. So that's
quite possible she you know, a lot of things that

(53:23):
I talk about is what kind of environments if people
had to deal with throughout their life, and how that
influences or affects their behaviors, and and that's probably something
that maybe she's had to deal with all her life,
and so that might be some of that defensiveness. And
it's like a distance, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
How do you go in a wrestling ring and forget
to tie your boot laces up. I mean, how is that?

Speaker 5 (53:52):
Yeah, that's yeah, you can ask.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
You can ask Steffanie Stratton or boots was not tied up? Right,
if it's a lesbian, fair enough.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
I mean, everybody makes mistakes, but when it's a lot,
that's when I feel like you're kind of over well,
you're selling yourself just so that you believe it.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Like George Costanza said, it's not a lie if you believe.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
It, right. I mean, I think between the two of
you who had everything on Tatiana, I was zero to
add Serena. I mean from season one to season two,
or really from the beginning of season one to the
end of season one, she improved greatly. From the beginning
of season two the end of season two, I think
she plateaued. She's fine. She seems like a really sweet person.

(54:45):
I think she'd be good in any locker room. I
think she'd be good anywhere. But she doesn't feel like
a star to me. But that but that's nothing about
her psychology. And I'm just not sure that you know
she's got There were plenty of other people who disagree
with me, which is entirely fine, But you know, I
I don't find anything particularly interesting to discuss about her.

(55:09):
I don't I think her interactions with Booker were fine.
I don't you know. I found her to be completely unremarkable,
and that's not a bad thing. It's it's it's neutral.
I expect, you know, someone who's been on two seasons
of LFG to be much better by the end than
they were at the beginning. She was, although I think
she got much better sort of by episode twelve, or

(55:30):
at least by episode two of season two, and sort
of stayed the same. But I'm repeating myself.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
I feel she was a lot more comfortable as the heel.
Like to me, she was like one like step like
oh like, which was a heel. To me, she was
more complete, she felt more at home in the ring.
Everything flowed better. I mean, you should be able to
work both, you know, both ways, like babyface or heel.

(55:55):
But for her, I just felt that's where she she shined.
And like you said, doctor Gina, she seems to be coachable,
she has a good attitude, so they might want to
spend more time working with her because you know these reasons.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
Yeah, I was looking. I'm just just trying to look
and find I thought I saw today that she is
with somebody else now, but I couldn't find it, So
I don't want to say that and then be it
was somebody else. Actually, but I'm almost positive it was her.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
What do you mean by with somebody else?

Speaker 5 (56:33):
I thought it was nw A, Oh oh, I don't.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
I think she's so in the piece. She might she
might be Reality of Wrestling, she might be working on
a book of.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Proposes they do have. They did send Italia to NWA though,
and it would be a great place for her to
just get some reps in if I'm I'm hoping they
did send her because I think that's what she needs.
She needs ring time to get more comfortable no her environment,
and yeah, it's that way they'll be able to see
if there's something to do with her, if she can

(57:07):
you know, work hard and thrive under pressure at live
shows and the peways that you know, it's it's an
option that they have.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Sure, I want good things for w I want there
to be these other options where people can make livings
just working for one company if they want to, or
they have you know, their bills are paid and then
they work the indies to get there, or they have
their as I've learned it's called the shoot chop. Here's
here's the thing about Serena in a nutshell for me,
she her tagline is basically spicy. But I don't find

(57:39):
anything about her spicy at all. I mean, you know,
salt and pepper are spices too. I mean, so it's nutmeg,
but you know, you know there's there's a whole lot
of peppers out there, and said there's green pepper, and
then there's the peppers to make you cry. I think
she's a green pepper. I don't find her to be
spicy in the least.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Yeah, I don't. Not even a chili No, not mom,
not even.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
You're like a banana pouse.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
A banana pepper. These are good.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
No, not even a banana pepper. I mean maybe like
you know, like a red pepper you have in a salad,
not the red pepper flakes. No, nothing, but the green
pepper I think might be a little bit too strong.
I mean maybe it more cucumber.

Speaker 6 (58:23):
You know.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
I mean, I guess I can't argue. I don't really
have a lot for.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
So there you have.

Speaker 5 (58:32):
There you have it.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
There's nothing spicy if there's nothing to psychoanalyze a professional
aspiring professional wrestler about I mean, come on, I mean,
everyone's got to be a little bit nuts to be
in this business, to be a business.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Well, why don't we go to the lady, you know,
the lady coach of the bunch, missus Michelle McCool i.
I thought she was very motherly patient, She was supporting
her team. She knew all their mannerism and their like,
their brand and their moves, and I could see that

(59:06):
she actually cared about them as persons. She would take
the time to know who they are, and so much
so that like when you listen to Anthony Luke or
or you know, Thrill under Whatever or even Panina Summer,
they all wanted to do good for her.

Speaker 5 (59:26):
Yes, yes, did you want to add anything?

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Oct I mean for Michelle? I mean, honestly, she's a
what a what an illustration of don't judge your book
by its cover. Also, don't go don't let your preconceived
notions affect what you're watching, because I was really about
I was upset about Nicky James not being on the show.
I've always liked Mickey and Michelle doesn't sound like much
like she's very dead pan, but she but she's but

(59:54):
don't be fool that's that she's not smart and then
sightful and caring. Everything Lufist has said like, over the
course of the season, I grew to appreciate her so much.
She was such a good coach. She had such a bond,
and while the rest of the stuff with teams felt like, yeah,
he's are not really teams, this is this is a joke.
I think I feel like her players felt like they

(01:00:15):
were her players for the coach, and I think she
felt like she had an investment in the team and
all of them. I think the others they sort of
had their favorites, you know, and then the other could
come and go, Which makes sense. Wrestling is not really
a team sport. I mean, you have to work together,
but it's not really a team sport. I mean everyone's like,
you take care of yourself, you know, the old Hogan

(01:00:35):
and seeing you know Jericho thing, but everyone now loves
Hogan and seeing them they'll love Jericho one day. Everyone
loves Jarrett now but at the time, you know, so
it's that kind of conundrum. But I thought she was terrific.
I mean, what what what a surprise? And this also
applied to one of her students, Trill, who I had
no interest in liking. He's a small, little guy, and

(01:00:57):
that's what I don't like. I mean, it's not short,
but you know, I don't want to like the little wrestlers.
And Michelle and Trill both enchanted me. I thought they
was so delightful together and and I don't know, won
me over. So I don't know what that's saying. Don't
want to undertake. I don't have a crush on or anything.
She dresses. He dresses a little bit too much like

(01:01:18):
like she wants to me in a rap video for
my taste, you know. But as a coach and person,
really won me over. And as a couple, the two
of them, they're actually really cute together. Yeah, once you
get their dynamic, I thought.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
I thought it was very interesting that you didn't see
a lot of their dynamic on the show like you do.
But it's not They weren't over the top with it
with as much as like Booker Teeth thought that it
was going to be unfair with them as a couple,
which I don't understand because they have their own teams
so they're really competing against each other. But I do

(01:01:54):
somewhat understand where he's about people.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
I mean, Bookers were married a long time, doesn't he
know about competition.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
And the well And.

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
When you think about it, what was really funny is
it was the two of them one Michelle on the
belt and Undertaker's wrestlers one. So I guess he was
right in the long run. But yeah, with Michelle, you know,
she's she's a transformational leader, so she really develops her people.

(01:02:27):
She's you know, calm, articulate, empathetic. She treated each wrestler
as a developing performer rather than just a competitor. Really,
you know, balanced that nurturing. You really hit on that
perfect balance, that nurturing feedback, but also with accountability. She
also maintained respect and composure even in the high stress evaluations.

(01:02:51):
She was very strong leader. I thought, you know, she
combined some of that vision with individualized support, the motivations,
you know, through belief and not fear like I would
say like a book or t kind of gave a
little bit more fear. There was a lot of I
would say, high psychological safety with her, So her wrestlers

(01:03:15):
were probably a little bit more open to feedback and reflection,
probably a little bit more felt a little bit more
safe to give idea their ideas to her and see
what she thought about that, and probably we bounced those
ideas back and forth. And I think that, you know,
she was probably focused more on the long term potential

(01:03:38):
with them rather than very short term outcomes, and so
that type of leadership style will usually do that. And
I thought that her team felt very cohesive and adaptive.
So even though not you know, not all of them
made it, that made it far, they visibly improved. I
thought all of them feeling visibly That's my analysis. I

(01:04:02):
had a lot of notes on her.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
You were talking about Thrill, and I thought was interesting
with him is that the way he was wrestling, like
you could see that he had been a fan for years,
Like he loved wrestling, and it shown, and everything looks
so easy for him, Like he's such a natural and
high flying wrestling, but he was able to Like sometimes

(01:04:30):
high flying is just all over the place, it doesn't
make sense, but for him it did make sense. And
he used the fact that he was small and fast
to its advantage. Instead of looking like a circus clown,
he had a great attitude, great fire. I felt he
was even more like a more charismatic Javon Evans. I

(01:04:51):
think that's where he's going, But he has a little
something more where you fall in love with him, you
want him to succeed. Like maybe it's that's that thing
that I'm talking about where where someone loves wrestling so
much and it's it's like it's inspiring to right to
the crowd and you feel the love and you can

(01:05:12):
give it back. I feel that it's what that's what
he's doing and it's something special. So I mean, like
unless he gets hurt or whatever, like I see like
like him being successful babyface, being a a good baby
Face is hard because you need to you need to
get sympathy from the people while you need to rally

(01:05:33):
them up behind you, and he already has that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Yeah, much true is that he I believe he has
the mental maturity. I believe he knows exactly who he
is and he's got the confident himself. So he didn't
need to prove to anybody that he was hard. He
just let you know he could be hard, but he
could also smile at the same time. And he said
it and he acted and he showed it. He's very
comfortable with himself. And he has the NFL you know,

(01:05:58):
bona fides for there. I mean, I can't say enough
about the guy. I mean, I don't know if he's
a more likable Javon Everans, but I think he's a
more mature like Javon Evans. I feel like I'm watching
a kid wrestle, which I think is part of the
appeal to Evans, but trill, I feel like I'm seeing
a grown up wrestle the way Javon Evans does. I mean,

(01:06:19):
I got him. Leon Slater and Javon Evans together is
a trio. I mean, you know, or with the or
with the Aphraxium. I mean, it's ridiculous. I don't really
typically like that style of wrestling, but when it's done well,
and when and he wrestles right, it's like he gets
thrown around, he gets beat up, but when you know,
he he either starts fast or when he makes the

(01:06:41):
baby face come back, he wrestles the right way. And
kudos to him. As far as the you know, Summer Sorell,
I think that she improved from beginning to the end,
but you know, you know, early on we said she's
not going to win this competition. You know, I don't
think there's anything wrong with her. I just think she

(01:07:02):
was too green and you know, physically and in every
other way, not not up to the level of some
of the other people on the team. And of course
she picked like the you know, if you have three
of the most consistent people in the competition, she picked
two of them, Anthony Luke and Panina. I mean basically,

(01:07:23):
Panasti and Anthony Luke every time most every time delivered
and delivered solidly, almost to the point that sometimes it
felt like Anthony Luke took it for granted a little bit.
But you know, she had you know, she had three
other four i'd say, most consistent performers who were all

(01:07:43):
interesting to watch. So I, you know, maybe that's why
she won the championship. I still understand if both of
your teammate, your your students win the contracts, see how
you don't win it. But nevertheless, we're getting ahead of
our business.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
I felt Summer didn't have much personality, and I was
really wondering, like, is it something like she wanted to
try and see if she could, you know, make that
would be a way of living for her after track
and feel and like I didn't feel you know how

(01:08:19):
I was saying, like Trill, I felt the love. I
felt like him wanting to like I want to, I
want to get on the ride with him, or whatever
he was selling, I was buying with her. It was
just like, I don't know why she's here, Like she's trying,
she's she's putting in the effort. But yeah, I I do.
I don't feel it was really into her blood and

(01:08:41):
that she's not a good athlete. It's just that wrestling
is so much more than just moves, and yeah, I didn't.
I don't feel she had the total package, and I'm
not sure she was really interested in you know, pushing, pushing,
pushing to get there.

Speaker 5 (01:08:57):
Yeah, with Trill, he was He's not really thinking about performing.
He's just in it because like you said, he's got
that love for it. He's everything, and so it was
all really kind of automatic for him. And so we
call that flow state in psychology. So when somebody is
that comfortable with their skill set, their brain just actively

(01:09:20):
shifts and so there's less less self monitoring and it's
more instinct and emotion. So, you know, everything on him
just looks so natural at that point. With Summer, Yeah,
I would agree with you, She's just not there yet.
It was probably like a, well, yeah, that looks interesting.
I think I could do that. Let's try that. She

(01:09:42):
probably just needs more work. If she finds herself passionate
enough to do that, then probably would just need more
work at it. But yeah I did. I guess I
didn't see the pet the same passion there with her.
I thought it was more of a I would say,
transactional thing. I'll do that this as a job, just
like I'm going to go to the office and I'm

(01:10:03):
going to answer your phones. I'm going to go to
this wrestling thing and I'm going to wrestle and get
my paycheck. So some people just view things as a job,
and you can tell that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Unfortunately, what about the two stars routine? What do you
think about P Nasty and.

Speaker 5 (01:10:22):
P Nasty is my favorite? That might be because of
my Polynesian background, but.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
We can't so we don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
Well, you can't necessarily tell by I'm also mixed with
my dad's side. But who's just plain old white, but
the mixture of white. So with P Nasty like she is,
she's got that toughness, that confidence about her, and she
knows who she is like, there's no denying that. She

(01:10:54):
you could tell that. And you touched on this like
when she left and she was like, I don't need
no Cinderella's you know whatever. I don't remember the exact words.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
But I'm not a Francis. I only happy and something
like that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
Yeah, And she, you know, she is very confident in
who she is. And I don't think this is going
to be the end of what we see of her
at all.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
I never heard the expression collect your issue before I
heard her say, but I knew exactly what it meant,
and I know exactly what it means now, And it
sounds so natural coming from her. And if, like anyone
else said, well, I don't know about anyone, Like if
I said it, it would sound stupid, but it sounds
badass coming from her.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:34):
And to have the entire audience do the hand motion
when you're coming out like she does, and you know,
to chant things with her, you know, all of those things.
And you know, I see online people are quoting that,
they're asking for that on T shirts already. What are
we doing here? I love Danny, no disrespect to Danny,

(01:11:57):
but what are we doing here? That's what I would say,
talked about that, and all I have to say is
there must be a good reason somewhere somehow, But I
don't know what that reasoning is. I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
No, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
I guess either, because the thing with Nina is when she,
especially when she talks, when she she does her promos,
it doesn't feel like a promo. It's real, it's her talking,
it's it comes from the heart, it's it's not it
doesn't seem to be scripted. She just goes with whatever,
and I believe everything she she says. And you know,

(01:12:38):
even when she was saying, like you know what, I'm nervous, like,
but I'm going to go through this, like she she
shows that she's human, but she's so real that she's
going to tell you she's nervous, but she's still going
to beat your ass. And I thought that was and
I was like, she has such a bright future if
guided well, because there was a few little things here

(01:13:00):
and there, like where I was like feeling she was
too focus on the wrestling, not enough the crowd. But
these are things that if you wrestle, it comes with time,
and if you have somebody that's good, that's telling you
every time, like you know, next match fixed, this, next
time fixed. And she's really coachable. She listens and every
time somebody would tell her to do something, the next match,

(01:13:23):
she would do it. And I was like, yeah, it's
I was.

Speaker 5 (01:13:28):
Like, yeah, like I noticed one she rushed, I think
a little bit. Yeah, and yeah, so that maybe that
was it. But I don't know, you know, those combinations
of a few things that she was technically, maybe it's
she's doing a few things technically one side and then characters,
not character necessarily, but it's not matching up getting the whole,

(01:13:51):
you know, the whole soup basically in the rain, and
they want the brown, not the I'm sorry, the whole
stew in a little bit thicker. I was trying trying
to be corny.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Well, there's probably corners.

Speaker 5 (01:14:22):
That's the only thing I can think of is that
maybe it's not all the piece is being in the
right place and they feel like Danny's closer, but that yeah,
I mean, not to get on too much on that,
but from a developmental standpoint, I feel like she is
just leaps and bounds. I had I really feel like

(01:14:43):
you have to look at the audience buy in on
some of these people, some of these wrestlers, you know what, yeah,
and that she has it. She just has it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
So if anyone's listening to this podcast for the first
time or you're just here at the Gina, I mean,
first of all, thank you and welcome. But if you
listen to episode fifteen, which is the penultimate episode of
this season of this podcast, you will hear me and
La Fisto probably for a good ten or fifteen minutes

(01:15:16):
just be agree with each other on how confused we are.
Not because we don't like we both really really do,
but we just felt that. Sean Michael said, I need
someone who I can plug in right now. That's different,
And I'm thinking to myself, Well, you got you know
Kendall Gray, who's who's you know, little bit wrestles like

(01:15:37):
she's big. You have thea hel who I haven't seen
in a while, but she's sort of the little engine
that could. You got you got a bunch of little
blondes you don't have any you know, sort of has
women who are look like they can wrestle that aren
you know, I mean, Lash is there, but you know
she's sort of glamorous. I mean, it's not really you
know you don't have your bruiser, so I don't know.

(01:15:59):
It's it didn't meet the definition of what I heard
Sean saying is the requisite. Actually it was over too
on Shawn's own requisite, his words and his decisions in
match for us. And it's not spoiler because we did
the last episode. But we'll hear your take on that.
But we agree, we agree with Panina. But you know what,
what are your thoughts? I have nothing to add to

(01:16:20):
Anthony Luke other than what I said before, mercifully, So
what are you What are your thoughts on Anthony that
you know? We'll go with my co host first.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Speaking of having it, Anthony Luke, He's a natural. He
picks up little details faster than everybody else. He will
place himself for the next spot. He will sell to
the wherever he needs to be. He's always at the
right place at the right time. He's got presence, he
knows his character. He never forgets to work the crowd

(01:16:51):
or speak to the referee or even his opponent. Talking
shit to his opponent. I'm like, put him on TV
right now, put him on fucking TV right now now?
What is wrong with you? Guys? Looks like so That's
pretty much how I feel with Anthony Luga. I feel
he's there and I'm like, what are you guys waiting? Seriously?

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
So, I do feel like he has a very undeniable
physical presence. He moves like he's somebody who understands control
and his body and his demeanor. But I don't think
it always came off or it kind of came off
as emotionally detached with the amount of confidence that he had,

(01:17:32):
and that can kind of read wrong with some audiences.
I think so that in psychology, that kind of affective
restraint is common with people who've built success through discipline
rather than emotion, and so I think that might be
hindering him a little bit in his growth and in

(01:17:53):
his success. So once he can kind of overcome that,
I think he'll be.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
Spot on excellent. When I see Anthony Luke, I think
I feel the same way that everybody who thinks that
Ricky Saints is a superstar. I feel like they see
Ricky Saints the way I see Anthony Luke. Like if
Ricky saying if Anthony Luke was in Ricky Saint's position,
I'd be like, hell yeah, instead of just see sort
of like I don't know, sort of an undersized guy

(01:18:18):
with you know that's gonna be ball pretty soon. Anthony Luke,
I see a star, I don't, you know I And
it's unfair, you know, it's I'm comparing to people that
there's no reason to compare them. But that's just I
feel like, you know, you could put him up opposite
Trick Williams right now, like I said, put him on
TV right now. You know, we talked about loan him

(01:18:39):
to TNA if you don't feel like he's.

Speaker 5 (01:18:40):
Ready or you don't you know, yeah, I think that
would be good.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Yeah, I mean I think you know, but I agree
with what you're saying. I mean we said that sometimes
it felt that like he was coasting or rest and
Laurels or really plot he aded in the bag and
sometimes you're right, like you said, emotionally detached, and maybe
that did translate to the judges and the audience and
who knows what metrics that they use on it. I

(01:19:06):
just found it was really strange that the end where
he gave his farewell saying, you know, I thought that
you were looking for the best wrestler and you just
let him go, and they're like, wow, where was that guy.
I'm like, I've heard him talk like that before. I mean,
not always. He's his scrubbos don't always hit, but neither
there's anybody else's. But anyway, it's it's you know, I
think if there's any reason that he didn't advance all

(01:19:27):
the way, that's probably it is that he might have
seemed a little entitled.

Speaker 5 (01:19:33):
Yeah, and sometimes we see our best selves on the
way out.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
So I.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Love all this because it's such a perfect segue to
the last coach. Undertaker. Yes, because he's just the perfect
mix of old school meet nude school. When it comes
to teaching, he's the voice of reason and you know,
to go, oh back, just what you said. He says,
it's all about storytelling. He want people to feel something

(01:20:08):
when they look at the wrestling match. It's not about
the moves, it's about how you feel watching it. So
you know, when you talk about emotions, that's exactly it.
That's how Undertaker sees wrestling. The only thing I would
say that, you know, bothered me with Taker is that

(01:20:29):
he was blinded by the ones you really like, Shiloh,
so he wouldn't see the I felt he didn't see
the progress of let's say, Drake Moreau because Drake. I
remember I watched the first match of the season. I
was like eh, and then like he got better good,
so freaking good. Oh my god, this guy is a

(01:20:50):
great babyface and he's athletic for his size and this
and this, But I felt Undertaker was not seeing it
because already he had in his head that Shiloh was
going going back to the finals, so I was like,
oh man. But overall, yeah, I love his way of
like it's all about the feelings and storytelling. Moves don't

(01:21:13):
really matter. You place them where they were according to
the story. And I feel that that's how wrestling should
work and that's how Undertaker is teaching. So yeah, that's
pretty much my take Ontaker.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
I'm not sure if this is a good thing or
a bad thing for his brand because he does these
one man shows and things like this. But in my
personal opinion, it's a good thing. But I haven't said
what it is. I think that this show sort of
ended the Undertaker character.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Oh, it humanizes him, that's for sure, but he's.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Like, yeah, I think it started the Mark Callaway chapter
of things, because he really came off as a person.
Now Undertaker sort of like Trill and some other people,
completely confident in himself, his presence, completely secure in himself.
And there's nothing bad about that, except sometimes you don't

(01:22:03):
adjust if you're you know, and I don't know what
it's because he's six or seven or whatever he is
at this point, and you know, was always sort of
you know, good to grade at what he did. And
I'm not saying it wasn't deserved by any means, but
I found him to be a very even keeled coach.
He wasn't nearly as active when he when he said things,

(01:22:24):
it was I felt like they were trying to like
loutsue instead of like the undertaker, like like sometimes I
want to see a little bit more fire out of him,
Like he's not as like for the guy who was
supposed to be the locker room you know, judge and
jury for you know, twenty five years. He seemed more
like the wise man, which is not a which is
not a bad thing. It just it just took me

(01:22:44):
by surprise.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
But you can't argue a wise man who would like
sneak in to look at what the other coaches for
two weeks. Yeah, he was a little he was a
little sneaky a little.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
He's got a wry, little sense of humor.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
I mean, you know, I really league he was hiding.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
So easy to stereotype. He's a big toos and he's
a dead man. He loves Vince McMahon. You know, he's
read state.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Layers.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
He's right, he's a person with layers and he and
he really made connections with with the people. I don't
think to the extent that Michelle did. But they're different people.
But I don't know. I I thought he was really
good at this. I'm just not sure that whatever they're
paying the undertaker to do this, they need to pay
the undertaker to do this for one hundred thousand people
watching a week, and they you know, they could pay

(01:23:33):
someone else and put them on payroll and let the
undertaker focus on booking Triple A and maybe populating Triple
A because once you get past a few people there,
it's it's pretty thin on talent mm hmm. In I
am oh, in my opinion, yeah, I'm more of a
CML guy than.

Speaker 5 (01:23:56):
Yeah. I think he had a very calm, stone like
authoritative presence. Couldn't get that word out, and he was
he was fairly emotional like there was a few times
we saw, like like you said, the funny things that
were happening, and then earlier when we were talking about
Booker t you know, he visibly looked angry, but he

(01:24:18):
was you know most of the time. Is just very
much the same type of emotion, but very commanding in
most sense. And that's just with his demeanor. I think
that we get that feeling from him, you know, emphasized
respect just I think out of who he is. And

(01:24:38):
then that mental control and professionalism. So you know, with him,
that authentic leadership, I think he leads more by example
with his credibility and consistency, and that kind of creates
that psychological stability with his team, and just that credibility

(01:24:59):
that he had as a leader. Basic research shows that
perceived expertise and composure really increases the confidence and performance
from your team or your individuals that you have under you.
So I think just having that the amount of credibility

(01:25:20):
that he has just really resonates with his team. And
then just his emotional regulation. He really had, like you know,
a lot of self control under any pressure. And that's
you again, we don't really see a lot of emotion
out of him. He stays pretty much the same emotion.
And my husband's like that too, and I'm I'm all

(01:25:40):
over the place all the time, and I'm like, I
don't understand how you can stay just so like you
never too excited or too sad, and I'm all over
the place. So I'm always amazed when people can stay
like that. But yeah, so I you know, I think
that you know that self control. When people have leaders
that are like that, they can they mimic whatever their

(01:26:02):
leadership is a lot of times. And so when you
have leaders like that, you can stay more calm under
pressure as well. And I think that his team did that.
I think that also really helped, say Drake for example,
be focused and not feel the pressure as much but

(01:26:23):
then develop and you know, obviously it helped all of
the team members, but Drake really stood out to me
as well. You could really see his girls and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
He even said, like throughout the season, I found me
like he knows who he is, and like I mentioned before,
like you could see from match one until the end,
like he was a complete like new wrestler, Like he
was so into it as hits were great, he had confidence,
you could see it. He played with the crowd, danced

(01:26:54):
with the crowd when he was coming out, like he
knew his character, he knew like his all like by
you like and it was it didn't look fake, it
was like it was him. So that really helped, like,
you know, the fans or are watching wanting to be
on his side and cheer for him. And I actually

(01:27:16):
thought that in the match with Shiloh, the one on
one they did where Taker was picking up a winner,
I felt Drake was so much better than Shiloh on
this one. And it was like Taker, I was like, oh,
so you have you know, you had that idea, so
you keep it for consistency, I understand. But if we
go match alone, I'm like, Drake's your guy.

Speaker 5 (01:27:36):
That's yeah, That's how I agree with you on that one,
because yeah, I thought that Drake was way stronger. And
I think that that can also speak to how much
do the wrestlers know of what was going to happen
as far as what who's picked, who's not picked, who's
getting the points, who? All of that the plans will say,

(01:27:59):
because that may have led into their own performances as well.
Because I did not in that match alone, I didn't
think and I'm a big Shiloh supporter. I follow he
follows me just to let my biases be known. But
I didn't know that was Shiloh's. What's that?

Speaker 7 (01:28:19):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:28:21):
I followed him for a long time and he just
followed me like a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
I'm a very Oh. I mean, I'm sure you'll diagnose
me at the end, and I'm sure for thirty minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
No, we've lived, we love, we do.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
I'm jealous. I'm not you know, I'm jealous because I
want him to follow me.

Speaker 5 (01:28:40):
Oh well, maybe he will after this. So I didn't
feel like that was necessarily his strongest performance. And so
sometimes when I see things like that, I wonder if
you know, you know what the outcome is going to be,
if maybe you know And again subconsciously, this doesn't always
happen consciously. Subconsciously you're not really giving it, you're all,

(01:29:01):
but you know it's in the bag. Yeah, So I
mean it's possible. However, like, knowing what I've seen of him,
I don't think his work ethic is like that, but
you know it can happen to the best of us
as well. So who's you know, who's to say it's.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
A little strange that he didn't put in very good,
good performances in the finals either time. But this season
was I mean, like night and Day from Lessie's. It's
just that Drake was so good. What I think about
Shiloh is he's got the personality, he's got the look.
His social media presence is fantastic. He's got that YouTube
thing that he does, and he does his whole dark

(01:29:40):
web thing that that it's like a it's like a
whole industry. Like if he ever gets injured, he'll, you know,
he still is going to have a stream of income.
He'll still be valuable to the comedy. He looks like
Bray Wyatt bo Dallas, except he's tall and thin. But
he's not that thing. He's a linebacker in college. But also,
like Trill, I think he knows exactly who he is.

(01:30:03):
And I think I think he was emotionally very mature.
Like I think he's another guy that he could be
hard without changing anything about him. It was just natural
and he could and then he could roll back again
if he needed to be hard. He go hard, and
then when it was done, it was done, you know.
And that's just a talent that some people have very few,

(01:30:24):
and I think that that might have been the winning
hand for him. We talked a lot about it. I
want to talk about the one thing probably if Undertaker
had a failure, it has to be Bailey Humphreys be
just what a physical specimen, what a sweet girl woman? Sorry,
but oh my god, I've not seen anyone that looks

(01:30:46):
like that, and like it didn't seem like he was
giving attention. A couple of times he said that he
failed her. I know that she I think that she
was scarred by the fact that she choked out her
own friend, you know, sort of. I don't know just
what are your thoughts on that? And I know you
can't diagnose anyone of you or you don't know them

(01:31:08):
well enough, but like, do you think like her tires
were flattened and they're and they're done, or do you
think that somebody can pump up her tires again? And
because she should have a future in this business, I
agree with you.

Speaker 5 (01:31:21):
I do think I think well, there was at one
point when her and Danny both had zero points. I
think it was an Undertaker was like, what do you
think about that? And Bailey said, I think I performed
better than she does. So she was very confident at
that point. And then I mean Danny came back with
her input of she felt that she was better. So

(01:31:44):
I mean they I had that back and forth. But
you know, Bailly did show that confidence at that point,
and I think you hit it right on when you
said that took that out of her. I think she
was scared at that point. She didn't want to hurt anybody,
and fear can do a lot of things to a person,
and that just takes I think some time one and

(01:32:08):
to just I mean as as soon as you get
through the time. I also think I don't know. I
don't know what wrestlers have for counselors that are available
to them, and like these kind of industries at all,
but I think that it should be there to deal
with I'm sure it's non existent, is their counselor?

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
I'm kidding.

Speaker 5 (01:32:34):
I was like, I don't know, maybe he's got a degree,
who knows, who knows? Who knows?

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
I isn't saying the person who has probably is the
least English. You know, Osco's a counselor. It's like she
doesn't do any she also she's not happy, she blows,
she blows mists in their face and slaps them. If
they're good, then then he.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
You know, oh my god, turn blue like it's crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:33:02):
But I do think that, you know, wrestlers should have
industry this large, should Doctor Welby.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
Doctor Welby is the counselor from Team hell Loo, and
he when he counseled the pain and the Ryan Daniels, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
My god, wasn't it like Scorpio Sky.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
His name is doctor Welbe.

Speaker 7 (01:33:22):
And then now I don't know who's a Gorbios guy,
wasn't a Scorpios guy, but as well, I could imagine
the Scorpios guys lost also, so I could understand why
you might confuse him for any other missing person.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
But then there was a different counselor who's counseling a
Lexa Blists when she was twisted blo.

Speaker 5 (01:33:38):
Yes, oh my gosh, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
But he was not nearly as effective as doctor Welder.

Speaker 5 (01:33:42):
Or the one that was was giving counseling to Bo
Dallas slash Uncle Howdy.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
Oh my goodness, yes, yes, so many, so many bad counselors.
The only thing they have worse of than counselors in
wrestling are lawyers. The wrestling lawyers are at.

Speaker 5 (01:33:59):
We're just terrible people. Aren't actually a counselor.

Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
So I lawyer, so it works.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
Oh, I work in the prison, so I don't belieatethough
I do read a lot of crazy stuff and the
things you can put in a butth hole you would
be surprised. Well that's for that's another story for another time,
like prison talk with.

Speaker 5 (01:34:30):
After Dark, after Dark, so we could ever one show
on that one things you sitting a.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Bus, ever a cellophone? Can you believe that? Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:34:45):
It happened?

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
All right?

Speaker 5 (01:34:47):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
To finish on Bailey pretty much like you guys, I
felt she was unique, she had a presence, but yeah,
she was so afraid of her people that she would
see the in her match where she would kind of
not lay them in like completely. And we could see
that she was very sensitive. And here I was asking myself,
is she too sensitive for rustling? But then again it's

(01:35:13):
something you can fix. You need to get in the
ring and kind of it's like when you have a
car crash, go back in the car right now and
try to kill it as soon as possible, because if
you wake weight weight, you're gonna build the fear it's
gonna build Bill Bill, it's gonna be like even worse.
So hopefully she could get past that. She needs more work.
But what I really loved about her is how positive

(01:35:35):
she was when Taker said, like, I believe you're going
to be something special, but we have to wait. And
she was like positive about it, positive about getting better,
working hard, taking her time, and she doesn't seem scared,
you know, of the amount of work that is in
front of her to get there. I think she wants,

(01:35:57):
you know, she she wants to commit. And yeah, I
really like that about her, Like it's it was like,
it's not working now, but you know what, I'm going
to work on it and eventually will.

Speaker 5 (01:36:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
I felt almost a little bit of relief in what
in her though. I mean, yeah, she's not scared, but
as partly she knows she's not gonna be on the
big stage just yet. And I'm not sure. I mean,
I'm sure that's natural to an extent. So luckily we have,
you know, somebody who might be away in that with
an actual degree. So what do you what do you think?

Speaker 5 (01:36:29):
Yeah, I think she's she's just going to need more work,
honestly to get rid of that fear, and I think
you were spot on with that, is that the more
that you do something, the more that fear goes away,
and the more confidence you have in being able to
do it and maybe being you know, working with other
people who have gone through that before, or you know,

(01:36:52):
getting coaching on those specific things that she has fear
about with it. So I you know, that's just going
to take It's going to take time. But like you said,
I don't take too much time away. You know, if
there's a little bit of time that she needs for
a small break, sure, but I wouldn't suggest taking too
much time away because then you're just letting that fear

(01:37:12):
take over you.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
Yeah, two time, two time loser in the in this
it doesn't mean loser for life. But I don't know
that's I mean, she's not the only one that was
in two seasons, you know, But I don't know. It
almost seemed like she regressed, So I don't know. You know,
she could always be a bodyguard and doesn't have to
wrestle much. I don't know how long of a career
you can have with that, but but you can anyway.

(01:37:35):
I guess that leaves one person to talk about and
that's yeahy. I mean, I don't know much to say.
I think that she did everything well. I think she
mostly of the right attitude. There were times where, like
her lucher door thing was a lot of fun with
the cheating, I thought it was bizarre that her sister
has the same face of her.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
But okay, they should be a twin fac team.

Speaker 5 (01:37:56):
Yeah, I wondered actually about that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:02):
I mean, very sweet, very nice, very happy, exactly what
you expect the cheerlead would be great footwork. I mean,
I don't have any issue with her winning, except I
don't think that she was the best, and I don't
and either she was the best. I don't think that
she was the one that you could plug in as
something new and different as a character tomorrow on TV,

(01:38:23):
even on Evolve. I watch Evolve. I cover Evolve every week.
I'm the only one. There's like fourteen people who watch Evolve,
but I think I'm three of them. So but anyway,
I you know, what's to say other than a girl
who's always been coachable. She was a Penn State cheerleaders's
Tennessee Titan cheerleaders. She's coachable here.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
I mean, you know, I just felt like physically like
moving and everything. She she pretty much had everything, but
the expression like on her face would not like match
the intensity of the hits. It's like she couldn't do

(01:39:01):
both at the same times. Like sometimes she she was,
but most of the time I felt like, you know
how many times we mentioned she heal? Is she a face?
At least in the last match, she was like full
on baby face smiling, But so many matches we were like,
who is she? What's the character? She hel is? She

(01:39:22):
faced it? And then she would cheat. We would go
like a, well, I think she's face, she's heal, but
then like she would do a comeback like a baby face,
We're like huh. So I just felt like, again to
go back on Panina, they were they both had things
that needed work on, but I felt Panina that was

(01:39:44):
closer to not perfection, because I don't feel we can
be perfect and wrestling, because there's always things to you know,
work on or evolve or change or modify, because wrestling is,
you know, it's it's constantly changing. There's always an evolution.
But yeah, to me, and even the last match, like

(01:40:07):
so many of her things were sloppy, she was, Yes,
Benita was working a little bit too fast, but Danny,
she didn't take the time to do things right. She
would just go into the movement and it looked like
I remember, a crucifix didn't look good like a tornado DDT.
The Hell's Gate will get a little bit rush.

Speaker 4 (01:40:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
So I was like, like, put her on TV right now.
I was like, no, no, no, no, not with this performance.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
And yeah, but psychologically, I don't know that there's anything.
I mean, maybe it's more to psychoanalyze Sean on this
one than her. I don't think there's anything to say
about her. I mean, hardly the expert in that, but
we have one.

Speaker 5 (01:40:51):
Yeah, I mean I don't really have a lot to
say about other than I think. You know, I hit
on this before is when sometimes when they're thinking about
too much about the technical stuff, they missed the character work.
And then when they're thinking too much about the character worth,
they're not focused as much on the technical skills, and
that I think just comes with inexperienced. So obviously I

(01:41:12):
think that we're going to see that more on this level.
But I agree with you for Sean to say, you know,
this is somebody I can plug in right now. The
thing that irked me the most about that was then
to not see her on the next episode of NXT
two days later because I was waiting for it and

(01:41:36):
it didn't happen. And then I think the next week
it didn't happen. So if you've got somebody you feel
like you can plug in right now, why aren't you,
and you're going to say that, why aren't you plugging
him in right now? And that was for both of them,
you know, he basically said that on both of them,
and so that was from a viewers standpoint. I thought, well,

(01:41:58):
if you're going to say that, you should then plug
them in right now. I don't know. I know Danny
posted something. I actually didn't get a chance to watch
all of NXT this last Tuesday, but I don't know
if she was on or not. She said something about.

Speaker 4 (01:42:13):
She was not on it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
Some of them have been on the house shows.

Speaker 5 (01:42:19):
Okay, okay, So she posted something about Tuesday to make
sure to watch because it was going to be Danny
Tuesday and she wasn't on.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
So maybe maybe she was cut.

Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
Your sister was on.

Speaker 5 (01:42:32):
I don't know, maybe, but yeah, so I I just
think that if you're gonna you know, your actions and
your words should be matching. And that was a big
problem with how the I'm just going to jump right
into that that was.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
I was going to say, that's something that really interests me,
especially in our limbs case, the way he puts him
on the like I'm talking about Sean on the pedestal,
how he is money, different, unique, believable. And then but
I'm gonna pick Chilo And I was like, because this

(01:43:07):
is really something that happened a lot in my own
career where you made that mettional great, you're fantastic, blah
blah blah. Oh we're gonna sign her and your opponent whatever.
And I was like, or my or my my partner whatever.
And I was like, which wrong with me? Nothing, You're
perfect And I'm like but but but I was like,
and that's like I could feel like Harlem's pink because

(01:43:31):
I was like, you were just told that you are
the thing right now. But then picked the other one
and I was like, I know how it feels. And
I was like, oh my god, it's I don't know
on a in your expertise, if there's anything to explain
to I don't know. I don't know how or why

(01:43:52):
people do this, but it's it.

Speaker 5 (01:43:55):
Sucks, it does suck, or I've had it happen to me,
not in the wrestling sense, but I've had some somebody
tell me that I was the perfect fit for this position,
but then they didn't hire me, and they reposted the job,
and I was like what. So it wasn't even that
they picked somebody else, They just reposted the position. So

(01:44:19):
I was like, okay. And I don't know if it's
there's a possibility that it's just that he wanted to
or in any of these cases that they want to
build that person up and they don't want to lose them,
and so that's that's why they're saying all these things
that would be my first instinct is what it is

(01:44:41):
is they're setting it up for, or he was setting
it up for. Why you're going to see him next
year is because our next season is because we think
he's that good, you're going to see him next season.
And I think he'll probably win next season. That would
be my guess.

Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
I think he's already passed it. I think that they
I mean, they's he's in Noah right now with Charlie Dempsey,
so you know, clearly they're doing They're doing some coaching
and probably some of humility and then and doing that
doing that there. But obviously they trust them to go
there and to work with Noah. And so I think

(01:45:18):
early on in the season, I actually think I said
to Lewis, said, I don't know that Harlem is going
to win. I think he's too green, but I but
I'll make a prediction now. I think he's winning season three.
And and so you know, obviously, well, I'm growing you
might be right, and I Jeff from them might still
be right. I could be misreading the entire Noah thing,
but I think when they send you there that that

(01:45:40):
they're not putting you back on analogy. But well, I
know anyway, I have one more serious question. Then we're
gonna have a little fun. And this is sort of
a large thing. And again I'm sure that the answers
varies greatly from personal person. But if you lose, especially
if you've been on two seasons and then you get released,

(01:46:00):
how do you recover from that? How does somebody recover
from that? Or do they?

Speaker 5 (01:46:05):
So I think it comes down to somebody asking themselves,
and this is how they I think should recover is
ask yourself is this the field for me? First off,
because only because at this point they are I would
I would hope so young and so new into the

(01:46:26):
business that they have that time to make a change.

Speaker 4 (01:46:30):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:46:31):
It's it's not like we don't see like I went
back to school when I was thirty, for example, we
don't we don't see people making like lifelong changes way
into their thirties forties, right, So these are people who
are you know, twenties, So they have a chance to say,
is this what I really want? And if it is not,

(01:46:51):
everybody's gonna make it on the on one of the
biggest stages or companies that's out there. So they have
so much any other opportunities, and I would hope that
they took that opportunity to showcase so that they could
go to some of these other opportunities. And then it's

(01:47:11):
you know, reaching out to find what other ways they
can make themselves better with some coaching, some of these
different centers that are out there, you know. And so
I think it's the mindset that somebody might have. And
so if you've got a mindset like somebody like Trill

(01:47:32):
for example, who is going to get that done no
matter what I'm not saying Trill is going to be
somebody that we won't see, but he's got that right mindset. Now,
if you've got somebody who is maybe not so sure
if they would continue, maybe they have a little bit
of a weaker spirit, maybe a little bit more sensitive.

(01:47:53):
And I'm not going to name anybody out on that
one because I just feel like that would be too
mean to me. That person might need to really seriously
consider whether or not that that's the right field for them.

Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
Then I think that's an excellent segue into bj Ray
And I'm gonna say I'm gonna let Lou and Gina
handle this whole thing.

Speaker 4 (01:48:17):
Base.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
I'm sure you can too, can do a better job
than I can have it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
Well, I didn't. There's not much, but it's because everything,
like I think, it goes together when it comes to
bj Not only did I watch season two with him,
but there was also another show where the tryouts where
he was chosen were like and even his partner from

(01:48:41):
his wrestling amateur wrestling team Dark State, what's his name again?
I always Begetler, James Cuddler, James, here you go, like
they were both they had a tryout and both were picked,
and well, you see Cutler James is on TV right
now and BJ is know has been struggling down in

(01:49:02):
LFG season one now season two, and from the three
seasons I've watched the other show and this one, he's
still at arrogant. He doesn't take anything seriously. He thinks
he's better than he is, and most of all, he
doesn't listen. If somebody tells him to do something, he

(01:49:24):
says like, that's not gonna work. I'm bj Ray, I'm
gonna do this. And in the end, and it ends
up that he's not progressing at all, and it's like
he he believes he has it's figure it out, but
obviously like not, like none of his matches were stellar,

(01:49:45):
most of them were not good. Like when he had
like passable matches, I would say it's because he was
with somebody really good, like either Shiloh or Anthony Luke.
But besides that, it was like we were even talking
Jeff and I let he should be a manager, maybe
because he's got the mouth, But then again I was like,

(01:50:06):
probably he would steal the heat from the freaking mask
because he's so me me, me, me me. So he
got released and I'm not surprised because I've been saying
it all season. I don't see any I don't see
things getting better better when it comes to attitude or
wrestling heat. And like we were talking about, is the

(01:50:29):
way he was dressling and he didn't want to change
like we would see like Serena got new gear and
Arlem went from those generic barbed wired pants that you
buy on ice spot to have like shorts and like
they would change stuff if they were told, but VJ.
Ray looked like a paper boy and wouldn't change it.

(01:50:51):
Even when he was heel or face. He was doing
the same thing or in my veins or whatever. That's
supposedly so cooled with the kids, but I mean a
few kids were doing it, but most of the girl
was like what is that? And like mild so hot,
no clue.

Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
And also it's not like injecting yourself is positive. You're
heard about haze and or drunken injecting into my veins.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:51:18):
The funny thing is is that's actually the sign language
for coke, for coke, like cocaine coke. But and so
you have to be aware of things like that. When
you come up with signs.

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
Like that, you know I'm guessing he was. He is
someone I know. I promised I wasn't gonna say it.
I didn't promise. I said I wasn't gonna say anything,
and I lied, But I always lie. I'm a big liar.
I think that when we were talking earlier about someone
who knew they were going to lose and sell sabotage
subconsciously or otherwise, I think he did it. I think

(01:51:52):
he knew he was self sabotaging. I don't think it
was subconscious And and the proof in the pudding was
the fine was the ultimate episode where they did the
whole thing with Drake Moreau and Elijah Holyfield and Baba,
so it was clearly a work. He was clearly in
on it, and that's the one time it seemed like
he was listening and he was a team player. So

(01:52:14):
I think he knew it was more serious than he
thought it was going to be. And he's not that guy.

Speaker 5 (01:52:19):
Yeah, I think at that point he said, if I'm out,
this is how I want it to go. Can I
at least get Bubba in the ring?

Speaker 1 (01:52:26):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:52:27):
I think I think that that was, you know, he
wanted to try and take control that situation a little bit,
and I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
I think the manager idea is great. I think he
would be a terrific manager. And while he's not that
great a wrestler, he's a manager. He's good enough to
be a manager. It takes bumps and trains from one
match a year or something when it's a you know,
a trios match, or like every three years, where like
the GM or the commentator who used to be a
wrestler to get into it with him, and that's you know,

(01:52:54):
the WrestleMania match or the backlash right way barred or
nick all this on. He says, I've had enough, you
know whatever, it's it's like the or you know, I'm
not gonna say John Cena, Let's just say that. I
don't know. Jericho comes back, but he's retired. Jericho unretires
to teach him, and lets you know, he's perfect for that.

(01:53:15):
So I think he could work in this business, and
maybe he is. I just don't think it's he's ever
gonna take it seriously enough to be a wrestler. And
while he's young and I've seen him in good shape,
I think his biggest risk is the same as mine,
which is letting all your muscles turn the fat.

Speaker 5 (01:53:31):
Well, I think his other problem is that he leads
with emotion. Just take it from there. That's all right.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
That emotion is smugness.

Speaker 5 (01:53:39):
Well, I mean there's a lot to it, so like
you can feel that from his energy, from wanting to
prove himself, like so deeply it's but it's also like
to a level where his ego takes over and his
identity is so wrapped how he performs that every critique

(01:54:01):
that he gets is personal. It's a personal attack on him.
So that's what I mean by he leads with emotion.
You know, he's got clear achievement motivation, like he definitely
has that driving grit. But the problem is that he
has no or very little emotional regulation, Like he just

(01:54:24):
doesn't know how to regulate. And I mean, I could
go on and on about this generation right now, but
it's a problem I would say of a lot of
people in that age group of not being able to
regulate emotions. And I could go into a whole reason why.
But the emotional regulation with him is a struggle and

(01:54:45):
self control. He just says whatever's on his mind, it
seems like, and there's no self control. I mean, I'm
thinking back to like his interaction with Charlotte Flair was
so inappropriate. I mean it was funny, but it was, well,
what are you doing this? This is your one chance
to do this, and that's what you chose to do.
Like it's just like your authenticity versus your impulse. Your

(01:55:09):
impulse is taking over and you're not letting your true
self come out. You're letting this egotistical person take over
who you really are. And so I think that was
his major downfall. But as far as like a manager
or like a somebody like a Paul Hayman, Like if

(01:55:29):
he could work with Paul Hayman, I think he could
be really strong like that, but it would take some
work to get there. So he's so he can maybe
build up a thicker skin, because otherwise I don't know
that he could take it, you know, Like Paul Hayman
has again years and years of experience, but he's got
a very thick skin, like probably a little too thick.

(01:55:52):
But I think that if he could work with somebody
like that, that might be a good route for him
to go. Because he's got a mouth on him. I
think that if he, you know, learned how to talk
the right way, he could actually be really good in
that and we're going to need more of that type
of a person here probably soon. You know, I'm gonna

(01:56:15):
want to retire.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
At that point. Yeah, managers is like a lost heart.
There's not enough of them. And I like that you
mentioned how people would get criticized that they take it personal,
because yesterday in the news, you know, in my area,
the Montreal area, there's actually a coach that came out
and mentioned like he wrote that big letter to the

(01:56:41):
world to publish everywhere where. He was saying, like, I
don't know what to do anymore because I'm trying to
teach these kids to be better and to push their
boundaries and you know, have confidence. But every time I
tell them something, they take it personal and even the
parents too, so also you think I'm not good, you

(01:57:03):
think I'm not worth it. It's it's an attack every time.
But he's like trying to, you know, make them better.
Or if he tells a kid like I'm not gonna
bring you to the league that's like a little bit
superior because you're not there yet. I want you to learn,
you know, get your basics right. But they see it

(01:57:24):
as an attack as him being like not good and
a piece of shit when he's actually protecting the kid
because he's not up to that level yet, right, And
how do you deal with that? Because it's it's really everywhere,
and like I said, this is this was also like
it was like it was a cry for help from

(01:57:44):
a coach, a teacher who's like, I don't know how
to teach anymore because I can't say anything.

Speaker 5 (01:57:50):
Yeah, and this is I mean, it's it's everywhere. It's
even like I mean, in the college's students, there's a subset.
I wouldn't say it's all of them, but there's a
subset of students that think that they are automatically entitled
inn A if they just did the work, doesn't matter
if it's deserving of an A. They just think that

(01:58:12):
I did the work, I handed it in, you give
me an A. And no, that's not how this works.
You know, if you missed this and this, you don't
get an A, you get a B. You know, And
I clearly show that.

Speaker 4 (01:58:25):
But I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:58:28):
I think it just takes full explanation and being firm
and being consistent. And the more that you are like that,
the more that people will come to understand that that
is just how it is, and be able to learn
how to cope with that, hopefully. But it really does

(01:58:48):
start with I'm going to just go into it. It
starts with the parenting from the beginning of time, day
one and being consistent. And you know, like there's children
need to learn how to self soothe. Then they need
to be exposed to things, and they need to and
I mean be exposed to like all of the circumstances.

(01:59:12):
Don't shield your child from everything, and and that needs
to happen throughout life so that they can understand how
to cope, how to deal with things, how to self
regulate your emotions, all of that. And that starts with
you know, when a baby is crying, you know, when

(01:59:32):
do you pick them up all of the time or
do you let them cry a little bit and then
after a little bit they'll stop. And I don't mean
like leave them crying for half an hour. But you know,
that's how we've gotten to this point.

Speaker 1 (01:59:46):
I think is it's not very right. And I mean,
obviously you're the expert in it, but I'm the oldest
one here, and I mean, honestly, I you know a
lot of people say blame the lawyers. I think in
this case, there a lot to be said for that
because it started with liability that you could sue for everything.
And that's also a failure of our policymakers who did

(02:00:09):
not institute insulation and immunity for schools and school people
acting within good faith, Like the standard needs to be reckless,
outrageous up to the level of criminal. I mean, you
don't want pedophiles in there, and and teachers hitting kids
unless they're defending themselves. But teachers can't take phones away.

(02:00:29):
You've got the we became like the to be oppressed
was that was always if you were the weaker one,
you were being oppressed, as opposed to sometimes you're just
the weaker one. It's like and it's like we took,
we removed rightfully so stigmas from so many things that
it almost became ideation. I mean, I remember when I

(02:00:50):
was in middle school, nobody wanted to have races until
most people have braces. Then everyone wanted to have races.
Who wants to have races, but you wanted to feel
in I think there's something like a victim idiation now culturally,
and it leads into everything and I and I think
some of it. You know, they call it helicopter parents,

(02:01:11):
you know, so as Jean benat Ramsay's the pageant moms
and the and like I was talking about, with the
parents the second guess everything that their kids baseball coach
does and things like that, and and there's no one
there to say no to them. They they became the heroes.
And you know, because everything is good, everyone is fine,
and everyone is good, and everyone's fine, just not in

(02:01:34):
all the same things. We all fit into something and
at some point we confuse equality of you know, as
everyone gets to do the same thing as opposed to
equality as everyone has the opportunity to try to find
their way in this world. And that's probably all that
I should say about that without getting I mean, this

(02:01:57):
is like this entire field of you know, so sociology
and whatever that's outside of my scope. But you know,
I think I think some people being the victim is
the cool thing to be these days.

Speaker 5 (02:02:11):
M Yeah, it's just being part of that in group.

Speaker 1 (02:02:15):
Luckily, I've never been in group, and it's being a
so fun thing getting off of this little soapbox which
could only get us in trouble.

Speaker 5 (02:02:23):
I spoke, I was like, quick changeous subjects.

Speaker 1 (02:02:29):
No, we're off of bj Ray, but we're onto us.
So do you know you spent the last six and
a half hours with us or however long it's spent.
You've listened to a couple of the shows Psycho I
analyzed us, like, how do we do as dime store psychologists?
How do we interact with you?

Speaker 5 (02:02:47):
Like?

Speaker 1 (02:02:48):
You know, how do we interact with each other? Is
is it true that Lefisto's secretly in love with me?

Speaker 5 (02:02:52):
I mean, you let us spend I don't. I think
that last one. You're a little a fun. I think
you guys interact with each other in the way I
love dynamics. I love the dynamics.

Speaker 4 (02:03:09):
You know.

Speaker 5 (02:03:09):
As far as your dynestaur psychology, I think you guys
are fairly in the right direction. We'll say, yeah. I
mean I think I maybe just put some terminology on
it and expanded on it. But you guys were pretty
spot on. I mean, I've always said psychology is really
just kind of common sense. I really think it is.

(02:03:34):
It's human behavior, it's common sense. There's just some big
terminology that you can throw on it to explain certain behaviors.
And once you know all that then I guess you're
an expert. But yeah, I think you guys have a great,
dynamic and wonderful show.

Speaker 1 (02:03:53):
Thank you well, Thank you so much for being here,
lending your expertise, being so patient, answering all of our
questions and not scoffing at any of them. You know,
I think we I think we covered serious and silly
in an appropriate balance.

Speaker 5 (02:04:08):
Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Thank you for
having me willed.

Speaker 1 (02:04:12):
I mean, we'd love to have you back again, except
I don't know when I Love G Season three is
going to start, but I know it's been renewed. But yeah,
I mean, listen, you know how to reach me. I
know how to reach you. I'm sure you can reach
Lou as well.

Speaker 2 (02:04:23):
And yeah, speaking of reaching, how can people reach you
or follow you on social media?

Speaker 5 (02:04:29):
Excellent? Thank you. I am on social media. I'm on
the X it's at iog psych dot I don't know
not dot, but iog psych and on Instagram. Just started
my Instagram Accouncil. There's not really a whole lot there,
but it's a doctor underscore iog psych and those are

(02:04:53):
the two places right now. Tomorrow I am. If I
can do a little plug you don't mind. I'm going
to a screening for Raven that Never or never More
in the Raven Effect, and they've asked me to come
watch the screening and do a psych analysis of that,
and so I'll be look for an article out on
X at least on X. I'm going to try and

(02:05:16):
publish it elsewhere as well, but look for that probably
next week.

Speaker 1 (02:05:20):
Congratulations, Thank you. Yeah, well, Lou went to a screening
last week of Lunova Shan's movie. You went to Raven.
I mean, I guess I'm due for something.

Speaker 2 (02:05:30):
Probably there's back down tomorrow. Is it tomorrow?

Speaker 4 (02:05:35):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:05:37):
Yeah, we're Friday, Friday.

Speaker 5 (02:05:39):
I know all day to day I've been what day
is it?

Speaker 2 (02:05:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:05:42):
I don't care what day it is? Pass No, thank you, Jeff.

Speaker 2 (02:05:47):
Where can people follow you?

Speaker 1 (02:05:50):
You can find me on the X at Dose Underscore Evil.
You can find me here on Wrestling Soup and the
Wrestling Soup and Friendos Feed wheree we do Dose of Chocolate,
where we review Evolved. As far as I know, we're
the only podcast it's dedicated primarily to avow. It might
be true, it might not be I don't really care
either way, but give it a listen join the other
six people who listen to it on the download. Though

(02:06:11):
actually I saw on the YouTube like it's spread in
three places, like on the YouTube channel, like I think
like thirty people watched it, which is weird because it's
we're not on screen. It's anyway. My shows are called
Garden of Thought, got you can find it anywhere where
podcasts are this sort of the three faces of them
just figure two of them are a little bit like

(02:06:32):
the Joe Rogan experience, without the celebrity, without the utter
embraceive conspiracy, without the browness, and certainly without the success.
And then I have the Gospel of Thomas, which this
is my co host right now, is mister Thomas from
Major League Wrestling. It started as the Book of Black Beaus.
My co host then was PJ. Black, who you might
know is Justin Gabriel. And I've had a kiro Kwan's

(02:06:53):
been a guest co host of Any Pacifico has been
a guest co host, but it's mostly Thomas Lusman on
the show, and we just had him really excited, my
first reigning defending world champion. We've had former champions TYRACC three,
propaply others Mad's atrocity cruel. Krueger, the reigning MLW champion,

(02:07:14):
was on the show, and he liked me so much
as does want to happen that he's going to come
on Garden of Thought and review Alien Earth with me
on Garden of Thought and somehow my friend from grade
school who actually I don't think we were friends until
like the last ten years, Joey Restivo worked his way
into singing. It doesn't even like wrestling, but yeah, Mads

(02:07:35):
Krueger reviewing Alien Earth with two thumbs in this guy,
so bj ray take that.

Speaker 2 (02:07:43):
Well, I feel like, don't. I don't have anything interesting
to say, but you can follow me on Instagram lupist
at Arts and Wrestling and for wrestling. Sorry Lupisto, I
mean the Facebook dot com slash Sofisto. I'm Lafisto at
X and I love how class C THEWC is. It's
a wonderful place. Oh my God, gal oh sweet Lord,

(02:08:12):
baby Jesus. Yeah, I spend my nights with my cats.
That's what I do now. I watch a lot of wrestling.
I love to talk about wrestling and speak of wrestling.
Follow the Wrestling Soup, Subscribe to the patreons, give them
a like and a subscribe. On YouTube, you can go
to my YouTube, the official where I keep putting matches

(02:08:34):
like every freaking day. I want. I want to release
my whole library. I have twenty eight years of matches. Somehow,
some way, I'm gonna make it if I don't die
before because it takes too long. But here it is.
That's pretty much it for us, because the season is over,
but I LOVEG three is coming. Please let us know

(02:08:56):
if you like the show, if there's anything you would
like us to do, talk about come back for season
three or I don't know, I have a special like
BJ episode or the BJ show or that sounds weird
because I could tell it could mean something else, but
we're not like that. I mean, anyway, it's been you.

Speaker 1 (02:09:15):
Know what I'm talking about. See what I was talking about.

Speaker 5 (02:09:17):
That that makes it so great.

Speaker 2 (02:09:21):
So ladies, gentlemen, for the last time, for now, you
know how it goes.

Speaker 3 (02:09:29):
Mister stew like body news, Hey geez, isn't too done?

Speaker 4 (02:09:37):
Bye bye, my friends, Mini stew By. Then put them
in a stew, boil them them, put them in a
stew by. Then put them in in a stew them
put them in a stud.

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