SURVIVOR SERIES WAR GAMES 2020 SOMETHING (Wrestling Soup 11.29.25) w/@iamjondraper

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
I put on the hold music match because that's how
I felt being that fourth match, in that fifth match.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I mean, you're not fucking wrong, dude, your heart not
fucking wrong.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
This has been a uh.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Really exciting war Games. I am uh, I'm really happy
to be here for the second show of the day. Hey,
can we do some more shipbox voicemails? Because uh fucking hell, dude.
I mean, and I try to be I try to
be fucking positive about this company. I play the Devil's advocate.

(00:40):
I'm like, oh, Wargames can't be so bad. I know
we're leading into it with some really weak, weak, fucking
raws and smackdowns as of late, but you know what,
it's it's the last quarter, right, They're they're gonna pick
it up that. It's fucking serious time now, right, we're
past Thanksgiving. It's serious time from here on out. This
where ww U and t KO were going to make

(01:01):
their best money. So now they got to put the
real ship forward. Okay, like fine, yeah, yeah, no, no,
that's not Hey, Nikki gave me half a Chubb tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Huh so oh that's wow, that's even generous.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Oh no, she's like she looks Okay, I'm black. I
was kind of surprised. I'm like, oh, maybe she should
have been Latin.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
No, girl, no, I gotta tell you, I gotta tell you.
For the reaction she came out.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Holy ship, well, they were all quiet because they were
flabbergasted by how exciting she was.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, that was it. They're like, whoa, whoam haven't thank God? Like,
you know, they got to see a true legend make
his way out of the industry, you know what I mean.
They're like, all right, yeah, his last pay per view match,
and then they've followed it with I was like that,

(02:02):
that's not even a popcorn match, dude, that punishment for
Fox's sake.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
It was funny too, because when Fat Albert cast member
number six was announcing her as the Hall of Famer
or whatever, she mouthed it hall of Famer, and then
she rolled her eyes like she couldn't believe it either,
and I was like.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're all surprised. Which, by the way,
the funniest thing about that is them talking about her
being a Hall of Famer all the time is so
diminishing to the people that actually did something. It's such
a fucking slap in the face. It really is. It's like,
on the same show they'll have Ray Mystereo be like

(02:46):
the Hall of Famer Ray Mysterio. You're like, I mean,
I guess it's pretty easy to say. Ray Mysterio is
probably the greatest Luca Door of all time, at least
to American wrestling.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Well, I mean Stereo, Come on, now, we got to
give him a little credit here, greatest greatest Luca of
all time.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, well, I mean he'll be a Hall of Famer
someday if he keeps his trajectory. But it's just funny.
It's just funny to imagine on the same show they
have two people announced as Hall of Fame's, you know,
Hall of Famers, not on this one specifically, but like
on any given raw for the past month or two,
and it's Ray Mystereo or Nikki Bella, And it's like, yeah,

(03:26):
one of these things is not like the other guys.
Maybe it's maybe it's time to put together that you're
just putting anybody in there at this point, don't you think, Yeah,
just guessing.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
And yeah, it was this god in mine he was saying.
So apparently Ray started Dick Sucker Chin with kids directed
at Baron Corbyn. He said, you gotta be careful with
Puerto Rican sling, using Daddy Yankee lyrics, and I responded,

(03:58):
do you think Reinos?

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Do you guys think Raybistereo?

Speaker 1 (04:06):
No Spanish? Do you see raymisterio sitting in the ring.
He's like, dah making like Ray, you know what you're saying, right,
He's like, what do you think I know Spanish?

Speaker 3 (04:19):
One of my Cody Roads. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Do I look like Diversity Champion Cody Rhodes Like someone
sent me this brand new Jordan Miles T shirt.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I had no idea.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Because I've got to look.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Cool with my cha all time, all time, right, I said,
no Spanish dot dot dot a w bound.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Wrestling soup dot com.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, way you man, Raymond my.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Wrestling zup. I am Anthony Thomas and he is Joseph E. Numbers.
It doesn't stand for excellency this week. It stands for excited,
so excited to talk to everybody about Survivors Series war
games happening live at the Popcorn pec Co Arena or whatever.
And San Diegoer it stands for the Bert Kreischer.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Does. I don't know, man, I will say this and
I know that you are very much down on this,
but I.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Think, you know, I thought, I think I think it
was Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
I thought it was better than what I expected. But
that speaks more to what my expectations were.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Would you say that you responded to tonight's show like, oh, yeah,
that was that was that was? That was that the
vibe for the Joey Numbers household you guys, Nikki Bella.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Oh, logic, Well what about? I mean, well, dude, wait
a second before we talk about the first match, can
you play that fifteen times in a row? Because that's
what I've fair subjected to. That's there enough more, more,
more more more, yeah, shared well more? Oh uh can

(06:28):
you play it again?

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Lloyd?

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Ya? Oh logic?

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Oh thank god. I didn't hear that enough today.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Jesus christ Dan made a joke in private, He's like, man,
you need to fucking play that clip. They were holy shit.
And I know that WWE is shilling the New War
Pigs new which is weird to say that, but the
single in order to help like Satanic children, Satanic homeless
children or something. But yeah, we should be fair. That's

(06:57):
a good cause. Yeah, it's a good cause. Yeah, Satanic
children need love to But just wow, they have no
problem beating the ship out of a riff. Huh, Holy,
I get it.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
That song is you know, it is a classic classic
hard rock metal song if you want to call it that.
And uh, it's not like there's a zillion parts to it.
It is basically two riffs. But wow, wow, they really
beat that fucking ship like a rug. I don't know
what to tell you. There you go, Yeah, that's right.

(07:31):
It's like, Hey, was I disappointed by the main event?
Hey do you think that that was awesome theory? I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
I was thinking it was Becky Lynch Okay, sorry, oh.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, this was this event. I will say, I'll give
it a three out of five. Of the matches, I
will say we're better than I expected. Is that fair
to say?

Speaker 2 (08:07):
There was five matches?

Speaker 1 (08:10):
I know, I that was like there were a lot
more than that.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
There was five matches? Was the fifth match?

Speaker 1 (08:18):
I will dude? Good god almighty? So should we just sorry?
I just invite I saw John there. I just invited
him to pop on hopefully. Yeah hit that fucking so John,
just right click add yourself in. It'll be right there, dude.
It shouldn't be a problem. So if he pops, take
on on there. But uh yeah, should we get into

(08:39):
the ladies. The ladies having the opening war Games match,
which was completely predictable and we knew it was gonna happen.
What well?

Speaker 2 (08:47):
I mean, if you're talking about Survivor Series Wargames women's match,
then you're talking about EO, sky Rio, Ripley, A, j Lee,
Charlotte Flair and Alexa Bliss versus Lash Legend, Naya Jacks,
Becky Lynch Oscar and Kyrie saying.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
All right, so should we start with the good? What
do you think? I mean?

Speaker 2 (09:08):
There was some good.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
I mean, h.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Nya Jacks was very easy to spot in this match.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
That how about this? Until Naya Jax got in the ring,
nothing really egregious occurred. Is that I'd say that's a
fair assessment. Like until until she came out, I was like,
all right, this isn't this isn't bad. They're kind of
a nice little, nice little story here. Alex is not

(09:39):
doing anything too embarrassing, like she's not bump stumbling around.
At least all of these women appear to be competent.
And then Naya Jacks came out looking like I don't
know what the fuck that what? I don't know who
it is who dresses her, but they need to stop
immediately immediately.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
I I thought she was trying to wear Ultimo Dragons outfit.
That's that was what my guess was. She was cosplaying
as Ultimo Dragon without the mask the figure. She just
used makeup to kind of do the mask anyways, But
you know, it's just.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Uh, I'd say it was more like she appeared to
be a watermelon pull and peel twizzler. That was closer
to the outfit. It was. No, that was fucking hideous.
And to anybody that's in the know, we have a
longtime friend of the show who helps or should I say,

(10:36):
does some of the merch for the guys on the
not the merch, the gear for some of the guys
that are on the show. And I hit him up
and I'm like, you don't make nayets shit, do you?
He goes no. I'm like, well, thank god, thank god,
because I have she consistently has the worst, the least flattering,

(10:59):
hideous gear. Dude, who's telling her to dress like this?

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Do you think she's just trying? I don't want honestly,
Like I know we joke and shit like that. But
do you think she's just fucking trolling at this point?
I mean, if she showed up next week on SmackDown
wearing a garbage bag, I mean, like, you're you're not wrong.
She doesn't wear very flattering outfits, right, And we've seen

(11:26):
different points of her career where she has dressed okay,
but it's usually for like backstage stuff, so it's weird
when she gets into the ring. It's always a complete
difference as opposed to how she carries herself outside of
the ring.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
You know, dude, even when she like what happened on
Monday when they did that whole fucking little show down
there between them, right and she was in there and
the fishnet thing, I'm like, listen, I'm not I'm fine
with people dressing however the fuck they want to. I
think if anything like it's like when you know, the

(12:07):
fact kid with the shirt on in the pool, just
be fat. It's fine. We know you're fat. Everybody's fucking
you know, it happens. You know, it looks worse for
you to try to hide it, and it makes you
look insecure and weird. But then there's also what Naya
Jax does where it's like you're not even trying to
dress in a way where it's like I'm being sexy

(12:29):
or body positive. It just looks shitty. Oh that's that's all.
And yeah, man, this was like I said, this was fine, fine,
too good. There were some fun spots in it. Everybody
kind of got their shit in in a way that
they were supposed to lash Legend And I know Dan

(12:50):
said it, but I agree. I saw enough. Jade can
start making her way towards the door. That's okay. Naya
can also start making their way towards the door. She
is the future big woman of this company if they
continue to actually, like I.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Said, Jade, you mean you mean lash Legend.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
No, I said, Jade couldmit the way to the door.
Last showed me enough that I'm sitting there going I
have faith in her doing something.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Wow, she came out to absolutely nothing.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
I I Yeah, they don't know who she is, man,
They've seen her on TV twice, even in the ring.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
She she had her big moment when she came in
there and started goldberging the fuck out of everybody, which
was fine, but I felt like once the mist hit
her face, it's like, oh, is that what you were
supposed to do is just clear people out for like
three seconds and that was it because it felt and
I kind of agreed in the back too, It's like, yeah, no,
they're they're leaving her last because she was going to

(13:46):
be big cleanup crew. And I don't know. I mean,
I it was a fine I guess it was okay
showing for lash legend. I just I don't think we
got enough of it. By the way, fun facts, because
everybody loves fun facts. Uh, Kyrie's injured six times in
WWE and at least four times in stardom. Just want

(14:08):
to put that out there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Well, also, I mean I think this is a good question.
Then how long is it until she is hurting herself again?
I mean, honestly, she wasn't terrible in this match. I
want to make that clear.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Nothing. She came out to nothing. People didn't care. I
think there was even a chance at her at one point.
I just I don't know. I love Ria Ripley coming
out with the bray Wyatt face. I thought that was
a great look. It was a nice change. She looked
absolutely fucking monstrous, as she should her building up her

(14:46):
relationship with EO. I still like that. I mean, they've
been kind of writing these coattails as far as the
storyline goes. But even tonight, more than a few times
where Ria did the setup, EO did the knockdown, it
worked well together. The garbage can't spot yet again, which
I look, I know that's her thing is she has

(15:08):
to have a garbage can at every fucking war games
that they have. But it's like, look, I know she's
capable of more. Is she really just a one note
kind of girl in this match? Like she's capable of
so much more. And I'm not saying you have to
take away her big spot. You can give her other things, right,
you know, like I saw, I saw Sean even this

(15:30):
is it now?

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, It's like it's like Jeff Hardy's fucking Swanton.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
They've made her into that Jeff Hardy has one hundred
moves man, Like, yes, you're right, the Swanton is his
Swan song. But at the same time, Jeff Hardy's exciting
in a lot of other ways. And again I'm not
trying to shit on EO, but it's it's almost like
you have this opportunity to do something different. Now you

(15:54):
have a buddy for life in Rial Ripley, like you
can't incorporate something cool with her besides like the run
off the ropes and shit, which was okay too, even
though it only damaged the garbage cant like a half
a inch into Kyrie, which I'm sure she's injured by.
But yeah, I U oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
I gotta say there was a couple things about this
match that I did like though, Like I did like
the level of like shit that they actually got in
for Aj. It wasn't egregious. Uh, they're not asking too
much of her at this point. Still that it was fine.
They used her well. I thought the spot at the
end of her trying to throw the trash can up

(16:35):
that was cute. I was like, oh, that's that's a
fun little you know. They thought ahead with that also
with Rhea, And it's funny because your pointed you noticed,
you go, oh, that looks like the Bray Wyatt mask.
It's actually art the clown from those fucking Terrifier movies,
and Michael Cole made reference to it, and I was

(16:56):
thinking to myself, I'm going they might have been better
off sticking with you go and yeah, that's a bray
Wyatt reference because RHEO. Ripley has a lot of fans
who are kids, and I'm not one of those people,
by the way, that's always like, oh, think of the children.
But like if a kid goes on Peacock, which Peacock was,

(17:17):
you know, WWE's streaming a deal, right, they have those
fucking terrifier movies on there, and probably the last thing
you want your kid to do is put one of
those fucking movies on. So, not to sound all fucking
Karen esque, but he might have been better off just
letting the mask be the mask and not leading anybody

(17:38):
in the direction of what that movie is. You know. Yeah,
I'm just saying like it's you know, for a company
that before when Triple Ah was like, we can't put
China in the Hall of Thing because she was imporn,
and I'm like, yeah, all right, I guess if that's
your excuse and it's not the whole you know, getting
cheated on deal or whatever, that's neat all right cool,
But at the same exact time, you should never ever

(18:01):
fucking ignowledge it, Like that's a horror movie. That's it's
it's beyond even like saw have you seen them? Ships.
Have you seen any of those? I saw the Terrifying movie.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
I didn't watch any of the other ones, though I
know there's like, what two of them, now three?

Speaker 1 (18:17):
I think there's three, but I'm sure they've gotten increasingly gross. Well,
I mean, I don't know. When they were hanging the
girl upside down by the feet and then sawing in
her half by the pussy, I was like, yeah, maybe
you shouldn't put that on the.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
I don't know, you know what, after Human Center feed,
I'm kind of all set, so, you know, I.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Like, yeah, big Daddy in there, He's like, they promote whiskey.
It's like, yeah, sure, but the kid can't go by
the whiskey. They can put on the fucking getting sawe
by the pussy movie. By the way, it's John on there.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Now, I wouldn't come I wouldn't come on until someone
set the magic word sowt in half by the pussy.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
That was that was the secret wind.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
But yeah, that was the password.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Oh dude. Well I was talking about Ria and the
Terrifyer mask and her wearing that thing. I was like, well,
you know what, I get it where like and you're
a horror movie person, so obviously you've seen that shit.
I think it's I think it's fine for them to,
you know, let her wear it. I know she was
like in some sort of way of promoting the film
or I don't know, but at the same time, Rhea

(19:25):
is like the little girl's favorite wrestler, maybe not acknowledge
the snuff porn fucking movie.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
That. Yeah, I see her out there first and foremost
happy Thanksgiving. Oh that's right off the bet. I haven't
talked to you guys in a bit. You know, you
were kicking off with this women's match, and I know
you were talking about Nia interesting costume choice there. That
was Niajack's there.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
That was an interesting costume choice.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
But as far as Ria, you know, a fetishizing the
torture porn character, I mean, she is supposed to be
playing a wrestling character, mess, you know.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
What I mean?

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Like maybe well, her favorite little things we don't have
to incorporate into her wrestling character.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
But is it one of those things very aw isn't it? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
No, you're I see what you're saying. I guess it's
you know, it's one of those things if you know,
you know, if you don't, you don't, right, Like you
you're saying that these kids shouldn't be seeking out her
where her wardrobe came from and stuff. I mean, most
of these kids have probably already seen this movie anyways,
let's be honest.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah, it's got a young fan base.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Right, so that's pretty bad. I mean, by the way,
like I was obviously, I mean there's a child of
the nineties. Clearly anything I wasn't supposed to see I
wanted to see. Well, no, I go the movie Kids
is coming out. I'm like, that sounds like it's Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
It's like Newsy's. It's Newsy's.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
It's a music with aids.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, it's another notck life with.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
I'm like, good another. I was just gonna say I
needed to have another childhood film terrifying me about having sex.
That was good.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
It is.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
Sorry, hey Ley, are you encouraging the children to watch
the snuff sex fucking freak porn?

Speaker 1 (21:21):
M oh lodgic Oh good good, Yeah, that's a great idea.
You should do that, hey Ria, I was just wondering.
I know that, you know, you're really you're really aimed
directly at the kids. So do you think that kids
should sit down and watch Terrifier one? Two and three

(21:41):
in a row. Yeah. Oh, like fucking god. Yeah. No,
Like the match itself was fine. It was fine. I
thought it was. It was like I said on Thursday,
I my prediction was it was gonna be way worse

(22:02):
than we thought or better than we thought.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
We didn't really highlight a couple people in here, right,
We really didn't talk about aj Lee's involvement. I know
that we were talking about this a little bit on
Thursday as well. I was kind of really looking forward
to seeing her take control in this match, and I mean,
for what it was, she did fine, but she wasn't
doing anything over the top other than the fact that
she climbed into the ring as opposed to going through

(22:26):
the door. Charlotte Flair was relatively ineffective in this match,
and I was expecting more out of her, considering she's
at least one of the big three that you look
forward to in these matches, But I felt like she
was taking a back seat. Ever since she's kind of
been teamed up with Bliss, She's no longer the same
queen that she used to be. And I don't know

(22:47):
if that's a choice made as a talent or if
that's just the direction of her character, but she feels
relatively kind of back seat right now. And I think
that both of those women should have been playing a
lot more of a role. Obviously AJ played a role
in the end, but I don't know, I mean, what
did you think about their or what did you think

(23:07):
about AJ showing tonight job.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
The crad pop for her big time? You know she
didn't you know it was about ring entrances mission, you know,
this was women's matches are about the ring entrance and
then everyone goes and does something else. Yeah, obviously this
had a little bit It's true. I mean, this had
obviously a little bit more steamed to it as far
as that goes. Well, when you bring up Charlotte, I

(23:31):
do want to I've thought about this earlier. But she
had like a standoff with Becky and they're talking about
how legendary you know, you know, their their feuds have been,
and I'm looking at the two of them and I'm like,
neither one of them look like the people that I
remember having these legendary feuds. Like Becky just looks so emaciated.
Charlotte looks like the fortieth version. She's like doctor who.

(23:52):
They get a different person to player every season, Like
I just I don't. I wouldn't even if you hadn't
watched wrestling for a while, you might of knowing that
with Charlotte, like her face is completely different and she's
a role player now like like and to have too
many new toys, you know, and bringing back some old toys?
What do you do with Charlotte now? Honestly, what are

(24:13):
you doing with it?

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Well? But also to be fair, it's like, okay, they're
getting new toys like with the Core, which I'm having
I'm having some suspicions as far as what the company
is actually thinks of her. I know, she's getting pushed
like crazy, and you know, you got Michael Cole. You know,
someday maybe she'll be a Hall of Famer. And it's like, okay,

(24:35):
then why isn't she in the ten woman crazy Cage match?
And instead she's carrying around the dead block again.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
She's starting to feel like a psyop. That's what it is.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
She's learning from learning from the great Nikki Bella.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Come on, yeah, that's it. That's a good point. That's
the whole reason why she's in that match, right, so
she can so she can get some seasoning from Niki.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
No.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
I guess that's the conversation because even when they're running
the commercial for Vegas, right, They're like, here's Jade and
here's Tiffany, and I'm like, where are they?

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Right?

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Get Yeah, Like they're showing them at this table and
I'm like, why is Stephanie's the champion? Why isn't she
in this ad? Instead she's having shitty matches with fucking
Harley race with Tits in nineteen ninety. Why are we
doing this? Why are we dragging her out there again
to have another run that nobody's interested in?

Speaker 2 (25:33):
But that's because people, because Tko thinks that there's still
money to squeeze out of Nikki. Look, it's the oh
secret that people do buy those hats, They buy those
shirts and they turn them backwards, and for whatever reason,
Nikki Bella definitely still has a fan base, whether it's
because of the silly reality show or something else. But
I think that's the only reason that they gave her

(25:55):
to Stephanie was in order to try and give Stephanie
some of that rub.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
I guess, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna say that I'd
like Stephanie fine, but I don't think she's as popular
as the Internet would lead you to believe. I don't
think she's I think it's it's a lot of smoke
and mirrors. Watch that entrance, not a lot of people
giving a fuck. Yeah, they give a fuck. They gave

(26:21):
a fuck during the build I think though, Joe, like,
you know, a little bit here and there, they re
responded to some of the moves. But she's walking out.
You know, she's fairly new ish. You know, it's a
big show. It's a very generous crowd. Nobody really give
a fuck.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
But do you think they were quiet because they were
all concentrating really hard.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yeah, I mean I think they were all thinking about
how they were gonna express their excitement. Then they just forgot.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yes, well that too, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
You know, well this is it. You bring in this,
you know, this woman that you're like, oh man, what
the music and everything, and and they give her a
good match with EO. But then after that they're like,
here's the fucking wine, mom, and nothing like that. You

(27:15):
have to actually be consistent with this if they were
treating her with half the care that they're giving state cop,
do you know what I mean? But by the way
John Steak cop, if you haven't been privy to it,
is bron breaker because he just looks like a state cop.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
That's is he pulling people over in a spare time.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
I wouldn't be surprised.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Do you think the Stephanie thing is them not endear
not doing anything to make her endear herself to the
dowing audience?

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah? Yeah, dude. They send out a ridiculously attractive goth
mommy that is super popular right now. I mean, the
only thing I can think of is maybe they don't
want to muddy the waters with Rhea. Maybe, but they're
such different, I don't know. It just doesn't make sense

(28:09):
to me where it's like, looks great, works great, here's
a belt, but after that, we're just gonna leave you
to the fucking wolves.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Nicky Bella, do you think that they're gonna build her up?
Because once again, I mean, I know we kind of
started off the show that way, but Survivors series is
the last bump in the road before we start taking shits. Seriously,
do you think Stephanie gets more opportunities? Are well rumbled?
Do you think she even wins the oil rumbled? Do
you think that she gets a high profile match at Mania,

(28:40):
because I mean, we're looking at it right now. But
maybe this is the bump in the road. Maybe Nikki
Bella is that patch of just dirt that you have
to spin your tires through before you actually hit the
fucking main road.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Well, it's a very Do you think she's.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
The fake JITs in the road, the fake kits in
the road, the speed bone.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
It's a little too big, And I know what you're saying. Yeah, no,
there's nothing, there's nothing to having her on that show.
But by the way, we're like skipping one of the
most entertaining things on the whole show. Moving right to
that fucking useless Nicky Bello match.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Well, I was even Yeah, I mean we kind of
did glaze over it, obviously, but Becky took the the
l on this one. Aj Lee got the W and
we kind of move on from there to arguably the
most exciting match of the night. In my opinion, it
will be my easy pick, the ic match between Sena
and Dominic Mysteriou. Dominic Masterio got a lot of love. Obviously,

(29:40):
he was at home, which was kind of a big deal,
and I was I was kind of happy because it's
like we're in this mode where Mexico is cheering for
him when he shows up down there, but it's because
the Mexican audience. They have a good mix of cheers
and booze. But I feel like the Mexican audience understands
or enjoy the Dominic character more so. It was kind

(30:02):
of nice to hear San Diego give him a little
bit of a backup. John Cena absolutely got the graces.
It was kind of touching and emotional, the thing with
the kid and just you. You could almost feel like
he was really understanding that this is the last one.
And I don't know if it is or not, because
retirements and wrestling are totally a real thing, guys, but

(30:26):
the way he's kind of treating it, you think that
this was the last time he was ever going to
see California again. So I don't know what were your
initial thoughts on the mats are, Joe.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
I mean, the match itself was good. It told a
good story, It was had a bunch of fun different spots.
This is what you expect out of dom at this point,
and he's able to help Sina where Sena is not
quite where he needs to be. You know, like he's
he's missed a step. Yes, he's had some good to
better matches since he's been back, and you know we've

(31:00):
seen it. He pulled a rabbit out of his ass
with Randy Orton, he pulled out a good, little fun,
spotty spot match with aj Styles. But he's still John
Cena in his in his ring, rustiest possible era at
this point. Yeah. But yeah, the match itself was good.
It was fun. I think it all obviously just kind
of led to what the finish was going to be,

(31:22):
which was a moment that I saw people kind of
tinker around was potentially happening online. But it played off
really good. I thought it was fucking I thought the
finish came off really well. I thought the crowd was
fucking pumped, not only just for Live but for Dom.
And they got it like it's like, oh, Sina's going
to lose his last two matches. Good, that's what he

(31:47):
should be doing, you know, after twenty years.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Well, and they didn't make him look like a chump either.
I mean they really didn't make him look like a chomp.
I mean they had the judgment day out there. He
was walked to the ring by by Roxy and big
Girl and they got involved. So and then of course
Dominic pulled out every Eddy Guerrero trick that he remembers, Like,
they definitely put John Cena through the paces. What what

(32:10):
did you feel about the match? John?

Speaker 3 (32:13):
I was surprised how much I liked it. You know,
the crowd, like Joey mentioned, this crowd was this. This
could have made evented. I mean, this could have gone
on last.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Probably should have.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Felt it, really probably should have. They lost their fucking minds.
They were very generous with dom. It's like mish. They
knew that they had to boo Dom, but they wanted
to give him a little bit of love there, like yeah,
we appreciate what you're doing, you know what I mean,
like smart, It was like a smart response. The match
itself was fine, you know, it was a little slap
slap to it with Cina and a lot of like

(32:45):
who's coming in next, who's not coming in next?

Speaker 2 (32:47):
That sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
But this was for me, this was the best match
of the night. I mean, it wasn't the best night,
but this was. It told the best story, the right
the right outcome at the end was the right outcome,
And I think you can't discount that crowd.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Man, that crowd was white hot.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Now now can we can we get into some of
the really hilarious minutia here, such as why Finn Baylor
dresses like a solo Nu metal dye?

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Now sorry, go on, my bad?

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, what what happened?

Speaker 3 (33:21):
So?

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Did Finn Baylor just get sick of being so in
shape and good looking his whole life that he's decided
to dress like a fat teenager?

Speaker 2 (33:30):
I was going to say, maybe him and Naya Jacks
dress each other. Maybe that's the trick. Then we don't understand.
Maybe they're uh, they're dressing.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
A lot of outfit.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Do you think Benn dresses like a kid in junior
high whose mother told him to put a real outfit
on and this is what he came.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Up for himself. Honest to god, I'm like, is this like,
is he in Papa Roach? Like? This is the weirdest shit.
But by the way, I know you guys were past
this time. You were both very much so adults when
on the New Metal shit was popping off. But I
watching watching the live Morgan come out in the Jink,

(34:07):
I was with the little shirt. I'm like, I wish
I could telekinetically send this to fourteen year old May
because boyl boy, when I love that shit.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Yeah, I was waiting for her to come out with
the Tasmanian Devil and the b boys standup like you
know what I mean, you know, that's that's what I
was waiting for there. Yeah, that segment, the crad pop
for it. I thought that was a little how many
people were gonna have in here, you know, running and out?

Speaker 2 (34:32):
You know, well, I think that was the big surprise,
was that she knocks dom down, and everybody's expecting this
only because of you know, the Rock Sand connection and
maybe Dominic was a bad boyfriend in the back. It
wouldn't surprise anybody, and there was some storyline there. And
then she immediately jumps on John Cena. She gives him
the thrust hug with the legs and John Seen was like, well,

(34:56):
what's going on? And then she goes from smiling to
evil Alexa Bliss look, and then she turns around and
kicks him in the jimmy.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
So, by the way, she's another example of like somebody
has shown up to take a spot and it's time
for them to go. I thought that her reaching where
she's you know gotten on the card that that was
the end of us having to deal with Alexa Bliss.
I don't know why we're still seeing that. Like I
I get it, like there's people that get really mad

(35:28):
or offended when I'm like, oh, there's spots for people,
and you know, we have a person that looks like this,
acts like this, presents like this. We don't need ten
of them. And they're like, wait, we don't need we
don't need a fucking worse version of Live. We have Lived.

(35:48):
Live is good, and Live also doesn't have like a weird,
fucking picasto plastic surgery face that makes her half unrecognizable,
similar to Charlotte. It's like, that's good, Like, just get
rid of this one and focus the spotlight on Live,
which also to some degree now I'm like, Okay, I

(36:08):
guess it's time for Live to be somebody that could
go after Stephanie, because Stephanie viccord neyeds somebody that can
actually fucking work.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Or at least build up some more character, which is
what I think Stephanie needs more than anything. She's capable
in the ring, but what Stephanie needs is a few
that people can get invested in and I kind of
I can see that. I can see Live kind of
taking her to the next level, which is a wild
thing to say about Live considering how far she's come
in the last couple of years. So yeah, Stephanie and

(36:37):
Live book it. Make it fucking happen. I'm looking forward
to it. But yeah, as far as this match goes,
it was fantastic. It pulled out all the stops. Dominic
got the w John Cena does the sad old man
into the sunset on the way back down to the
ring or from the ring, and uh yeah, and this
one is the last pl the last time we will

(37:01):
see John Cena in a paid environment, I assume, right.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yeah, and it still felt very anti climactic.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
But because it went on early, Because it went on
so early, guys, that's why. And it had it did
not have a second match on a card response match.
It had the Co Maine Event kind of vibe. Yes,
you know, you know, I don't know why they put
it on so early.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Well, that's the weird thing too, is you have to imagine, John,
how many people do you think we're there to see
the Sena Dominic match more than anything else on the card.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah, and they let it be known as soon as
they introduced, as soon as the introt came. I mean,
I don't know, I think that could have that could
have co that could have won right before the men's main. Yeah,
I questioned the positioning of putting that match on when
they did.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Michael Cole also came out a little bit later on
in the night and he said that it was the
largest audience they ever had at Petco at forty one
million people. So I assume it was a good show.
W W would just probably barely ink by with their
five thousand dollars a ticket. But then we move on
from there, going on to the uh the Women's World
Championship match, the highlight of the night for different reasons.

(38:12):
Stephanie Worker versus Nicky Burla. So, uh yeah, it's uh.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
You could hear you could hear a pin drop when
Nicky came out.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
And I know she had your response than Stephanie, Joe,
go back and watch she had a bigger response.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Well, there's a lot.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Of concentration, guys, Let's be honest, there's a lot of
concentrating on this match. This was a match for real
wrestling fans. They were invested in the holds and perhaps
some kisses, you know, like it was just it was
it was really a by the numbers kind of match, Joe.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
I just yeah, you could hear, you could hear nobody
give a shit about this, and like it's it's a
nice thing that they're trying to do. I think, I
don't believe what you think mish with the TKO thinking
they can make money off it. I think somebody in
the company legitimately thinks they're doing her a favor because
she's in a rough place in life and they're saying, hey,

(39:11):
you know, she still looks good. We can give her
some work, blah blah blah. But it's like, Okay, giving
her some work means she gets to show up and
do it like a tag match every element. She shouldn't
be in pay per view fucking matches. When there's five
matches on a show, that's if I'm please the love
of God, don't return to this format. But you know,

(39:32):
back when there used to be nine, ten, twelve fucking
matches on a show and you put in a Nicky
bella popcorn match that was five minutes, it's like, okay,
I guess, but you have a five match card and
you have a twenty minute long Nicky bella title match,
not even in twenty twenty five ever, fucking.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Why wait, that was twenty minutes?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Oh yeah, I mean miss I don't know if there
was an officials time on it.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
We'll look.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
It was certainly, Yeah, it felt bell to bell at
least twenty minutes for as long as the shit was.
I don't know, I'm weird. I count entrances because you know,
I'm alive and present for them.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
It was twelve minutes and twenty seconds as far as
the match goes, But yeah, it might have been twenty
minutes with entrances and you know, announcing and all that
other shit too. They really did go heavy on padding
throughout the show. I know, we haven't talked about that yet.
And I know a lot of people got commercials. There

(40:35):
were no commercials in the Ukraine, so I was I
had a very enjoyable time watching from my comfortable couch
in the Ukraine the WWE match on Netflix. But yeah,
there was a lot of commercials. There was a lot
of extra breaks for no reason. There was a lot
of pre production, and I don't suppose that's normally a

(40:58):
bad thing, but it just felt like, Wow, we could
have gotten a lot more. We could have gotten another
match in there, we could have gotten a whole other
match in there, we could have gotten a whole other
thing going, or maybe even some character work by the
guys and the girls that are on the card. There's
just a lot of hey, sit around and wait, and

(41:18):
I almost feel bad for the people in the arena.
What do they do with the twenty minutes in between matches?

Speaker 3 (41:23):
They get inundated with the events that they're not ash
or the one that they're asked like, they're constantly getting
indudated for the TV shows and everything else.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
I mean, I think my favorite thing is that they're
constantly shown advertisements for Saudi Arabia, which is fucking that
is the funniest shit in the world to me, And
I mean that in the worst possible way. Where you
spend thousands of dollars to go to these goddamn shows
apparently now in at least like five hundred dollars fucking

(41:55):
bullshit seats, right, and then they're showing you shit on
the screen where they're like, Hey, you want to come
take a trip to Saudi Arabia, Hey, how do you
feel about dictatorships pretty sweet? Huh. It's like, god, damn it, guys,
what the hell happened to this? Not only like is
this like one of those things where it's like what
happened to this company, but it's like what happened to

(42:16):
people in general? Where this shit's acceptable? And I'm not
like rav Rob mister America wave a flag guy, but
we haven't fuck it? Thanks Ozzy, But is there any
fucking dignity at all ever to anything at all, to

(42:38):
anyone involving any sort of anything. It's just like, oh,
they got a lot of money, so here's fifty fucking
ads for Saudi Arabia tourism, like anybody's buying a ticket
to go do that? Shit? My god, I don't know.
But this was no. This show contained so much fucking spam.

(42:58):
And yes, Raw was that too, which me and you
talked about that mess where I was like, the first
half an hour of Raw was literally nothing. It was nothing,
And I'm like, people pay money and sit there and
watch this, and people have this perspective because they're like, well,
I'm sitting I'm a coachure to watch your Netflix and
I can just fast forward to Doopy doopie do or

(43:20):
I can watch it back later, and it's like, how
tedious is this as somebody that's there watching these shows
for all the money that they spend. I'll tell you
this right now. If I spend a thousand dollars on
a ticket for something I don't want to watch government propaganda,
I don't know. Am I being a little funny? No?

Speaker 5 (43:38):
No, I'm just just yeah, I know, but I think,
you know, Joe, if you're spent a thousand dollars on
a ticket, they could probably get you to spend three
thousand dollars on a ticket.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
They could probably get you to spend five thousand dollars
on the ticket. They could show you florter house videos
in between. You know, they were like like just what
it's like to work in a slaughterhouse, you know, and
people would still be like, you know, I actually thought
it would be more graphic, actually be more.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
And more violent.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
My hamburger takes better now.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
It's like, you know, you know, I never realized how
much I hated pigs in Palace until I watched them
get murdered, like for my enjoyment. Like they just I
think they know that they know, you know, one of
the things is is I bring this up all the time, like,
is that as bad as the TV gets, it doesn't
negatively impact the show because they have this steady stream

(44:29):
of people who are going to just consistently.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Watch no matter what, Like that's it. This is that thing.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
So if they're getting innundated to go to a to
a country five thousand miles away that they otherwise would
never think about in any capacity positively, no, they're like, oh, yeah, okay,
you know, not bad. I'm sure it's fine that you
know they did they.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
But John, let me let me ask you this, I mean,
and you do kind of bring up a great point.
But maybe we're thinking that this too much of an
in a nationalist sense, no pun intended. But maybe those
commercials aren't for US as Americans or North Americans. Maybe
those commercials are more for Europeans. Maybe those commercials are
for the Japanese that are watching this show or people

(45:15):
in the Ukraine that might not have seen it, Like
maybe it's for them, because it's like, oh, Saudi Arabia
has got to be better than the Ukraine right about now?

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Right Like yeah, well you know you're in the Ukraine
right now?

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yeah, sure, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Isn't that.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
But Mitch also, that's what's funny too, is like, to
some degree, those commercials almost play into God, I just
said all this like raw rock kind of shit, So
I guess I can sandwich it with this. It plays
into the obvious ignorance of international issues that a lot
of Americans have, Whereas people in other parts of the world,

(45:52):
they're like, when they hear about Saudi Arabia, they're like,
oh that place that they fucking saw that guy to pieces,
like they actually know, they pay more time engine of
the shit than us.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
And but maybe American propaganda works on them better than
Americans that have been subject to it their entire lives
and can sort out the bullshit. That's my point. Well,
I'm sure a lot more than you'd realize. I'm sure
that American property. There's a reason why bullshit is America's
biggest export, right, like being able to bullshit people or

(46:24):
being known as as bullshitters as a country. I assume
that it probably works. Our media probably works on other countries,
all other cultures.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Yeah, yeah, I bet Joe. They send that to everybody.
Everybody's seeing it, And I do think part of it
is to maybe maybe to destination wise, get the UK
people and the people in Asia that would go maybe
to Saudi Arabia. It's a different vibe for them to
go than an American. But I also think what they're
trying to do is like normalize that, Hey, you know,

(46:57):
everyone's going to this country and doing business there, So
the how can it be like you know what I mean, like,
look like it's not just us, everybody's going you know.

Speaker 6 (47:07):
Like you know, you know what I'm saying, it's like, well,
don't be mad at us. They're gonna go through. These
people go, you know, and like you know, that's that's
what they're trying to do. I think that's the whitewash
the American audience into thinking that this is okay.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Hi, I'm cool guy, celebrity. Have you thought about taking oxycon?
Everybody's doing it, It's real good for you. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Being mad at Saudi Arabia is like so five years ago, bra.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, yeah, it's time to move on. You know.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Jamal Kashogi may have just been an American dude, but
maybe he did something to deserve to have himself chopped
up and butt and bagged and carried out.

Speaker 6 (47:56):
You know, maybe you're saying you never wanted to cut
some guy's head off, been in a conference room and
carried out the bag.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Hypocrite much? Are you showing your white privilege now?

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Said then? And then there's Bill Burry's like, there's a
fucking cheesecake factory that you want to talk about. Just
the biggest fucking disappointment of any human being in fucking
entertainment in the past fucking ten years. As Bird doing that,
being like, ah, did it can't be it can't be bad.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
But they're just like us, They're like comedy, like us.
They hate the government, they're just not allowed to say it.
That's all right.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
I love the idea of him being like, I hate
all these corporations, and then his selling point for a
place being good is they have all our corporations.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Hey, did you know? Did you know they had an
abist right by the hotel? How could you imagine that?
Could they be bad? And best? Right there?

Speaker 1 (48:54):
You can have? Oh you can get diarrhea from that?
At your politice, dude, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
I saw an abby signed I said, I'm home, I'm home.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
What a fucking joke. But like, yeah, now, god, what
match were we that we already sign that.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
He did each Nicky Bella's retainer title.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
From there, we uh what do we move on to?
I think we move on to the main event. We're
onto the Men's War Games match. So match number four
Jimmy Husso CEM Punk, Cody Rowan, Rains and Jay Huso
versus Drew McIntyre, Bronson, Reed, brock Lesard Brown Breaker and
Logan Paul. Let me first start by saying that see
them Punk bleeding in the first three seconds of the

(49:36):
match was very aw esque, And I really, really really
think that Drew is fucking great, just his veracity, his anger,
the way he carries himself in the match. He makes
things more believable. His stuff with Punk. You'd still believe
that this guy is in a feud, in a hot

(49:58):
fucking feud with CM Punk. The way he was rag
Dollingham and choking him through the mat, it was. It
was fantastic. And State Cop got to watch how Rustler
actually rustles, which was kind of nice there too.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
But before he almost put himself in a wheelchair. Yeah,
oh well, you.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Know, landing on your neck is just part of that
Steiner training, Joe. It's a professional. Uh yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Now that he's okay, so or at least for now
we know he's okay, the guy could still actually be hurt,
but now well maybe both. But I said this years ago.
The guy does not have physical dexterity. I've seen these

(50:43):
guys in a ring before they're jacked. They got that
fucking like Oh look, it's like, dude, they are not
flexible in any way, shape or form, and it's gonna
lead to serious injuries. Their work never looking fucking fluid.
It's a tough get like his body type is. If
you're once again a stake cup pretty good. Get sure,

(51:07):
you want to play, you want to be in the NFL,
you want to place you know a half dozen positions
in the field. Yeah great, But in pro wrestling, that
dude's going to get hurt a lot. And if he's
not hurt a lot, he's going to hurt other people
by accident a lot. And that's something they got to
keep in their minds.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Where I where do you vibe with bron Breaker there?

Speaker 1 (51:28):
John?

Speaker 3 (51:30):
I hate the name so much. I've never been able
to get past it. I think it's such a Vince
eighty seven name, Like I don't understand how I know
they didn't want to obviously go with who he really is,
even though we all know who he is.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
It's very silly, sure.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
But this was always the the just the whackest name,
you know. But he is treated like a bad guy
star when he walks out, he's treated like somebody who
they the crowd has decided is a I hate to
say it, because he's not really that joey, like a
main event bad guy like you know, in a lot

(52:06):
of ways. But he's not that. But that's no. But
they're reacting as if he is Drew, as if he
is you know, when Randy is a heel, you know
what I mean, that kind of thing, like an ass
kicking Gill.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
He looks pedestrian next to Drew, I mean really like,
and I'm sure something well, I mean, come on, that's unfair.
Drew's been wrestling on guy. Yeah, that's the point. That's
the point. You're supposed to make these people stars. Well
you can instead of being fixated on fucking pushing a

(52:38):
guy who you won't even acknowledges his dad's fucking kid.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
The Michael McGill all over again. I don't I always
thought that was a vincism, right, Like I I know
that he could have come out there as perfect, but
he chose Michael mcgilla cutty. And who was the other
one that did that too? Where their dad was somebody
and he just had to take something.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
That's happened a bunch of times. Yeah, that's happened quite
a bit, by the way. I don't know if you've
ever heard this story. I've heard it. I don't know
if it was through a person or from the internet.
It might have very well been from another human being
that I know, But apparently the story with McGillicuddy or
Henning Junior was he'd said to the company, Hey, when

(53:23):
can I start going by my dad's name? And they
were like, when you start wrestling like your dad?

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Oh god, oh boy. That sounds like a vincism. That
sounds like a Vince response, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Which you want to talk about kicking somebody straight in
the dick, but yeah, not wrong and not wrong still,
but no, like I get it. They want Steak Cop
to become something and they wanted to happen fast. But
the amount of people that came out in this match
on that side to almost no reaction, Yeah, good, right,

(54:00):
not good. Bronson is a good He's big boss man.
He said us a bunch of times now, and I
think he's great in that role. No reaction, it's your reaction.
He knows the tsunami and people go whoa, and the
same thing with old sc There he dies, people make
Tim Allen noises at him. That's the future of the

(54:22):
wrestling industry. The future of the wrestling industry is a
guy with a whiffle having people make Tim Allen noises
at him, and we go, oh, stop the presses true,
back to the doldrums for you, the fucking Tim Allen guy. Ugh,
that's it. Everybody invests millions of dollars. By the way,

(54:44):
the advertisements I sawfer this on ESPN at the far
so I'm at the fucking at the gym and on
the treadmill, look up for the goddamn ESPN forty dollars
app fucking ad right, and in the app ad it's
Hayman and fucking steak Cop and bright Hug.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
I was just gonna say, yea, yeah, they the ad,
they with the backdrop ad, and I'm going people.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Don't know who they are. They know who Hayman is.
I guess maybe because he does shit on ESPN, But
I'm like, people don't know who these guys are and
it's forty dollars for the app like Smarten to fuck up.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Do you think it's one of those things where TKO
does this with their UFC guys and they try to
put up the younger names first, and they're trying to
like mimic that what made UFC popular, or UFC's marketing
style into WWE's marketing style, because it's no secret that
TKO is clearly putting their fingers deeper and deeper into

(55:44):
ww's vagina. But it's starting to get to a point
where it looks like it's they want to not only
envelop ideas from the UFC, but maybe they won't even
take on the persona of how UFC is seen by
its fans, even though it completely caters to a different
audience entirely from the ground up. I mean, professional wrestling

(56:05):
fans and MMA fans aren't necessarily crossover fans. And I
think when both of us were talking about this back
in the day, when the sale was coming up and
nobody was sure if or TKO had just bought the company,
we weren't really sure if TKO was ever going to
make those moves to try and integrate UFC into WWE.
And we've had a couple of events where WWE was

(56:27):
on one day and then the next day was UFC
or something like that. But it's starting to feel more
like now that WWE and UFC are almost becoming synonymous,
even though they're kind of keeping their own identities, which
isn't good because it's like catering to this weird fight
audience that's used to thirty minute commercial breaks, where WWE

(56:49):
audiences are like, come on on with the fucking show,
let's get to the next match.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
You know, it's funny miss you're bringing that up because
I felt like tonight was a prime example. They kept
going back to them talk a lot, and I was like, yeah,
that's what they do in UFC. And I do think
this is intentional. I think they want them they they
want to form the opinion guys that the same person
who likes one likes the other and is well versed

(57:14):
in it, so they both have to look and feel
the same way. That's that's what I'm taking away from
a night like tonight, And I don't think it's a
good sign because they are, like you said, no, completely
different audiences and need to be natured and nurtured differently,
but they're too lazy to do it.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
How about just even the idea of them being like, yeah,
UFC and WWE can have this huge crossover, which okay,
I'm sure that exists. I have friends that are people that, yeah,
they're workers, they wrestled and they love USC and they
love WWE. Right, that happens, that there is a crossover,

(57:53):
But just even the fact that, like in the last
five years, UFC has just been like an infomercial for MAGA.
So if you're kind of not fucking with that even
to begin with, and if you haven't noticed, a lot
of wrestling fans aren't into that, Like that's part of

(58:14):
the reason why we see certain ship where it's like,
you know, the Gulf of America. I'm offended by that
or whatever the fuck. Like the audience is different, just
even baseline UFC, it's like, we're gonna have a fucking
show at the White House, and WWE is like, I

(58:35):
don't know, we're trying to just fucking have a stadium,
and uh, yeah, that's what we're looking for. It's like
their business plan is so specifically targeted at one group
of people, one group of guys. And by the way,
if you're like one of these macho fucking dudes with
the helicopter shirt, fucking you know, with the you know,

(58:58):
fucking live free or dive tatoos and ship, you're not
fucking with wrestling. Ninety percent of the time you think
it's fake and gay. This is fake gay ship. I'm
not watching that fake gay ship. And they're like, oh no, no,
we can win those people over. Really, you're gonna win
those people over with Nikki Bella, is that you're playing.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Well maybe Stephanie. Stephanie for her is who they're trying
to rid him over.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
But let me let me a Mexican dude. You notice
she's a fuck Oh well, you know it's she's lived
for you here for a Mexican dude.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Yeah, it was so sticky Bella.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
I mean they're hard. It's having to be a Mexican
and ship, you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Booty Latinas can stay Joe Big Latini never.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Yes, I agree, thank you, mister. I mean they could
never marry a cool, tough guy like me, but you know,
like they could stay let me.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Ask you about this too. Let's talking about the match
side of things. There was a couple other major point
that had happened, well not major, But the first thing
was is I thought Logan Paul did a fantastic job
in this match. I was not really, I don't know.
I was expecting him to take much more of a
back seat than he did. But he was obviously the
big spot guy for the evening. And who John, let

(01:00:16):
me ask you first, who is the man running in
with the ninja suit and interrupting?

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Oh this shock godness?

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
That was terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Boy?

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
That felt very bush League two for a fucking Viber series.
I'm sorry. First of all, they presented this with with
such a big show, feel, massive crowd, good looking presentation,
you know, for the home viewing audience, and then you
have a mystery guy walk in like it's a It's
very ae W. That s what of felt like to me,

(01:00:48):
like a w dog and pony shit. I mean, could
it be Daniel Garcia because that's the only person I
thought I could be like, I God, that's what it
felt like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
I mean, I the rumor ru going around is that
it's going to be Austin's theory, which is maybe thought.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I was kind of hoping it was Becky. You know,
it's just uh, really change everything up a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Well, dude, it's more than likely. Yeah, it's more than
likely Austin theory.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Austin my theory. Because he hasn't been around for a while.
I thought maybe Sammy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Eh No, they were talking about that whole thing becoming.
They were considering putting him in the vision apparently months
ago at least that was some rumor and hearsay, and
so they'd be like, look, we're going to fit him
in the group. It's like, Wow, another guy that people
have no emotional connection, you don't want interest in whatsoever.
That's a great idea.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Yeah, what could go wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Maybe it was Kevin Owens. Maybe Kevin Owens got better
and we just didn't realize and he lost about one
hundred pounds and got fat.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
I thought it was Sammy. I I don't know, I
don't know why. I think. Maybe that's I'm trying to rationalism,
rationalize if I'm saying it's the long term Sammy. Yeah.
The physique yet was a little it wasn't too big
a person.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Yeah, a little wiry, yeah, a little Finn.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Are you sure it wasn't Daniel Garcia.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
That's all I know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
They missed out on hiring him, so you know, it just.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Wasn't Wheeler Yudah. Just tell me if it was Wheeler Yudah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
That's what I don't know. The biggest the biggest mistake
ww WE ever made was letting those guys get away,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Maybe it was in PROD. It's a big swerve. The
whole fire would be hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
That would be hilarious, the funniest thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Andradie takes the mask off and he's just he's like.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
I was just fucked up, and Cook I just did
gets a hell of a drug man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Yeah, they didn't even ask me to do it, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Maybe it'scept David Ben wat and they finally giving him.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
There's a vision David Ben wh except they go the
Bronze Breaker round and they call him Bill Bill Destructor
or some show.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
They call him like uh like like don't give him
just some completely and like ambiguous name and pretend that
you don't know who it is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Yeah, that's not a dragon drop of fucking Chris Ben's face.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Yeah, exactly, it's Larry like Larry Benoit's from Detroit.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Larry Larry.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Yeah, No, that's like I said, I am guessing guessing
that it's like an Austin seerie type guy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
Another young guy that dirty words says it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Choker Jones, Yes, Choker Jones.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Special delivery Jones. What what are you putting in the mailbox? DEAs?

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Uh yeah, d't bo flex yes, bow flex.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Jim Ratt, Jim Ratt. It will be a built guy
named Jim Ratt.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Okay, you know what, how about this, Let's let's say,
maybe not Austin theory. Let's take some people who they
could potentially think that they could do something with.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Are you being serious?

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Okay, Page maybe yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
No, I say like an Ethan Page or a Carmelo
Hayes or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Oh, they're not gonna push Carmelo. I feel terrible saying that,
but they're not gonna push that. I love them as
a person.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Trick is a little bit tall. I see somebody saying
Trick isn't trick taller than I don't know. I didn't
get trick vib out of that. Montese Ford.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Oh God, I wish I wish they did something with that.
Poor guy. They treat him like a fucking nobody. Yeah. Yeah,
Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if it was
an Ethan Page.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
It was a taller guy. Yeah, Ethan Page would make sense,
especially after his triple A run as of late. So
although I think he's going to have a match or
maybe who knows if they're gonna do something with Doctor
Wagner because he ended up choking him out. So with
Chelsea talk, what.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
If it's Hangman Page, you know, I mean it could
be Hangman Page.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
John Moxley, well, it's definitely not Chris Jericho. Can we
just uh, I don't know what kind of enhancements Jericho
would have had to climb up that cage that fast.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
But Jericho could should just come in full trans just
to protect himself from any of his past integrat like
the past digressions. Like you know, it's like a lot
of people get on me for this and that. It's
like I'm just gonna mean trans this way. No one
can mess with me. What about me?

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
What about Gable?

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Christina Jered Christina Jericho would be amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Yeah, I'm never gonna be a woman a man ever,
a man of a thousand Oh boy, a man of
a thousand holds, you could be the woman of a
thousand holds.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
It would be great. A trans Jericho, that would be awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Break the walls down, but uh.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
He's breaking all the barriers down.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Stay Cop got the spear on on Punk, and I
think that's pretty much how it ended. And there was
some weird back and forth stuff at the end there
with Cody and did understand that either giving each other
the stink guy and oh we're not through with this
one yet, we'll never tag again. And Cody's like, you
got that right, al, And I'm like, ugh, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
This this sucked. I mean the main event, it sucked.
And honestly, like I said, there's a lot of dead
dogs in this situation. Uh god, the spears he.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Didn't even talk about. We didn't even talk about fucking Lesnar.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
That's not almost killed fucking Punk at one point, Yeah,
dumped him on its fucking skull.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Well, this is like Lessner's just there to get a
six or seven figure check probably seven, and uh, man
almost kill somebody. That's that's what he's there for. So
I don't think anybody expects anything more than that. I
don't know, dude, Like it's I'm not saying that Lesner
at this point isn't an effective, you know, break in

(01:07:25):
case of you know, brick glass in case of emergency
kind of guy. Obviously he's still going to get a reaction,
But I don't think anybody believed that he was going
to play any sort of a real role in that match.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
You know, Well, the problem is that all the guys
that I wanted to see brock Lesner up against were
on his team. If you would have given with brock
Lesnar versus State Cop, okay, I'd like to see this
young Steiner versus aging out brock Lesner.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
That's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Brock Lesner versus McIntyre, I would have been okay watching
those two guys slug at each other.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
But I mean, Cody, let me tell you who wouldn't
want that match. Would be steak Cup because would beat
the fuck out of him.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Brock would be Yeah, But I think, don't you think
there's a lot of fans that would want to see
a match like that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Oh yeah, that's why they won't give it to you though,
That's why they.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
But I'm saying just the kid would be and he
would be he would be just not there for all
the spots, and Brock would make he would put him there.
Let me put it that way. He would make he
would make sure that he was there all right, and
a very very unpleasant manner, that would be my guess.

(01:08:42):
But yeah, no, you're right. All the people that you
were like, oh, that'd be cool to see him. I'd
like to see him fight. Bronson reed, Well, no, he's
on his team, right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Well, I guess there goes that. Huh, never mind.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
And it was at I mean, we talked about that
on Tuesdays, well or Wednesday. It was just so stacked.
The Vision team was just over just out matching, and
the Cody backseat stuff didn't help Cody at all. Everybody
has to kiss and bow at the kneel at the

(01:09:16):
throne of Roman reigns, and uh yeah, I just I
don't know. And then Roman got the the brass knuckles
off of Logan's dead body, and I just.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Well, let me also ask you about how that match,
let me ask you about how goofy this fucking booking
is in general. So let me see if I can
get this right. Do you have basically the one of
the scariest fucking guys in the history of wrestling in
combat sports on on one side of the team. Then
you have a gigantic fucking Polynesian not well yeah, Polynesian,

(01:09:49):
huge fucking guy and a singletic crushes people. Then you
have State cop Uh. Then you have and it's like
all the shabbas, but we still need a guy to
run in and cheat in the match. Why?

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Do we think do we think all those guys couldn't
get the job done like brock Lessner couldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Well, that's I think. I think that's what really killed
it too, is because they seemed to have the upper
hand for most of the match and they still had
to have insurance. And I'm sure it's a Paul Hayman thing.
Oh that's another masterminded move by the great Paul Hayman.
But it's just I don't know, John, I I didn't
feel this one. This this main event was no.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
I was disappointed because you know, there was so much
beef on the Hayman's side and then it's like, oh,
there's two usos here. It's like, well, you know they're
not winning the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
You know what I mean, Like, is it a drinking contest.
I mean, you know, maybe well, well well they well.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
They thought they'd give you the big the big swing
and Dick thing. Have Pump come out early, massive response,
massive response, we should say that, incredible response, Paul to open,
and then you have State Cop come out. You know that,
you know people are you know, like, oh this.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Could get interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
And then you immediately have like Jonah come out. But
then you have Cody, Like they gave you their two
big champs right up front, right right, which you might think, oh,
they're doing that to appease the crowd. No, because they
want Roman to come out at the end, because even
though these other guys have the belts and are getting
great responses, they still think Roman.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Is more important.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
That That's I don't know about you guys, but that's
the impression I got from that setup.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Well that's mich said that earlier too, And it is
exhausting at this point. It's like we it's always balancing around,
fucking doing something for Roman can't be out there for
the whole match, or like Roman's still the main guy.
And I'm like, I could I could be crazy here,
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Cody is

(01:11:51):
the same exact age as Roman or damn air clothes,
and I'm pretty sure Punk is older. So what are
we talking about out here in terms of being like, oh, yeah,
we gotta maybe we gotta make sure old Joe isn't
in the ring for too long? It's like why, why
why isn't he able to do that? And like what

(01:12:12):
what's the point of having these guys be champion if
they're not going to be highlighted? And you're right, Punk
did get a very good reaction, which he should but which,
by the way, that was after them waiting for twenty
five minutes and they watched a Nicky Bella match, So yes,
they finally they finally saw a star again for the

(01:12:33):
first time in a fucking hour. But I do not
understand what this what the idea was here? You have
created this group of these wild fucking heels that are
all like tough guys, and you know, like them or
not or whatever. It's like, yeah, you know what, I
still think that Logan Paul could be believable as a
guy that could hurt somebody, sure, but they still needed

(01:12:57):
someone to cheat. Unless this unless the story on Monday
is stay up and Bronson Reid and even little and
Paul looking at him and going, what was that guy
doing here? Why did you? What's that all about?

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Paul?

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
And Paul be like it's just a little bit of
ensuring and he goes right, and then they look and
they go, are you you think that we couldn't handle that?
We have brock Lessner in the fucking ring with us?
Do you think we couldn't have taken care of that?
Like you got a brock Lesner, but you needed uh,

(01:13:35):
like Austin Theory.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
Let's site like will Will Will.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
I think it's really really yeah. Picture picture that, just
the thinking in that moment where if that was fucking
Austin Theory right where you look at him and go, listen, man,
I got you fucking brock Lessner for your fight, like
ship brock Lessener for a fight, and they're like, yeah,
and just in case we have feel a little bit,

(01:14:01):
I got you this gay male escort. Mhmm. Don't worry.
He's there though, too. We got no, no, no, no, no,
we got to get we got this guy you finger
his butthole. We had this male es court to help
you out in case things go bad, right, in case
things go awry. We got this guy to run out there.
I don't know, maybe he'll like finger himself real hard
and distract people. And uh, but you don't need brock

(01:14:24):
Lesnard to help you in the situation. That's crazy. Brock
can just show over there. No, this was bad, bad booking,
bad fucking writing, bad ending to a pay per view.
Uh but yeah, like I said, three out of five
matches on the show were good, So I take that
as a doube to some extent.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
You know, John, we're at this point of the show.
What was your favorite match least favorite match out of
the four?

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Well, I think the best match was the scene a Dom.
Look the SA the scene of thing is kind of
working like this Farewell Tour. It's clearly they've marketed it
to death. They threw money behind it, but you know
it's gonna the gravy train's gonna end soon. It gave
them a lot of big numbers this year. A lot
of people feel like their numbers, even if they're not great,

(01:15:10):
are inflated from the scena rub But I thought this delivered.
I really think there should have been the main event,
especially if we had that that very you know, aw
Dynamite main event, uh outcome with a mystery man and
all black like so like blame. My least favorite match

(01:15:32):
was was the Woman's I just you know, I thought
it was like a lot of like lettings letting people
get their ship in and a lot of people stumbling
around as usual and people pretending that if Alexa Bliss
punches you, it hurts.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
That's that. That's a big cell for me.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
I still like, I just can't. I just can't with
some of these four foot eleven like like people like
pretending to beat people up. But yeah, I was, I was.
I would say this overall for me, it's like maybe
it's the plus because it had a lot of star
power but not a lot of stuff. I didn't feel

(01:16:09):
like there were stars in the sky like you know
what I mean, Like it just on paper, this looked
better for me, like and it didn't deliver.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
The current YouTube poll results, Thank you, Dan. What do
you rate WWE Survivor series War Games twenty twenty five?
Thirty seven percent of people said see, twenty seven percent
of people said DNF, twenty five percent said B, and
only twelve percent gave it the A Joe. What was

(01:16:40):
your favorite and least favorite my friend.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
I mean, I think it's kind of the same almost.
I mean, I thought the Women's Survivor Series match was fine.
Crowd was into it was on early in the night,
a lot of people got this shit in. People were
happy to see aj, they were happy to see Riah
Ria's I mean, and I think Michael Cole said at
one point he's like, she's one of the biggest fucking

(01:17:03):
stars in wrestling currently. I like, yuess, that's true. Yeah,
which is also confusing. Which is also confusing. Why also,
where I sit there and go with it? Why do
you keep putting her in opening matches with a bunch
of people. I don't know. That's a little little strange, Michael,
but I know what you're what you're going for. But
the best thing, obviously was was Sina. I mean seen

(01:17:23):
his match was fucking really really good with Dom, fun
to watch, good story, good little ending to it.

Speaker 7 (01:17:31):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
It was a ref bomb it with all this fuckery,
but they did it in a way that it wasn't
insulting and cheesy and stupid. Uh And yeah, the worst
thing it probably, truthfully, like I said, would be the
main event. I mean, I know that the Nicky Bella
thing and the seventy theCore thing, I should say, is
the worst thing at the night. But the difference is

(01:17:53):
I don't have expectations for that. I don't expect that
out of Nicky Bella fucking I don't know, crawling out
of her fucking you know, wine Mom Hayes showing up
an hour and then playing wrestler for twelve minutes. Like,
I don't expect that. I'm not expecting anything of that.
But when there's ten guys that are supposed to be

(01:18:16):
the most important people are some of the most important
people in wrestling, and it ends like you said there
with some wcw ass fucking keep a bullshit And still
like I keep mentally going back to this place where
I'm like, people spend so much money to be at
these shows, and they're in a fucking stadium and they're

(01:18:39):
leaving thinking to themselves, the fuck was that? That's a problem, man,
Like that is not good. That is not good at
least if Sena and Don went on last and people
are like, well, I mean the heel went over in that,
so you put that in the main event, and it's like, yes,
but then you do the scena fucking say goodbye. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(01:19:00):
he can cut a promo that be incredible. Yes, people
come out, put him on a fucking shoulders. You have
the dude. You had to make one of the guys
from the Padre sit in the front row. Yeah, yeah,
you have him. Fucking come in, give him the high five.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
There was that kid too, that make a wish kid
in the front row. It's like they could have done
more with that too. I mean, you're not wrong, and
actually my choice, I mean, just to piggyback off of yours,
my worst match was the main event, and it wasn't
just because that John Cena versus Dominic should have been
in the main event. Clearly should have been, if not

(01:19:38):
because of the weight of how good the match was,
but also because of what it represents they've been trying
to make. Like you said, John, they've been trying to
make the John Cena retirement fund a big deal. Why
would you end his very last pl in the middle
of the show. But not only just that the Men's
Wargames match did deliver, there was nothing that came out

(01:20:02):
of it. You literally have the Axis of Evil versus
the Justice League, and nothing happens. Nothing of notes. There
was no big spots other than state cop almost killed
himself and see him punk bleeds like a paper cup.
You know, it's just there was nothing, really and you
have some random guy come in there interrupt the match

(01:20:26):
for reasons even though he didn't need to. Like everything
about this match stunk. It just is stunk. You have
an all star cast and nobody was doing anything worth anything.
We don't get to see brock lesnar that much. And
he was a fucking wallflower in this Are you kidding me?

(01:20:48):
He should have been the one out there murdering people.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
You know, they teased it when he came out like
he was going to clear the place out right, Remember,
was like, oh business is going to pick up, it
would go he's never lost. But did they throw a
sat out like he's only lost one plee or something
like that. It was just I don't remember, but yeah,
he was. They had to make him inconsequential because otherwise,

(01:21:11):
you know, they you wouldn't have been excited when Daniel
Garcia came out and kicked the guy in left.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
I mean, Jesus John, it's so bad. I really fucking
hated this main event. I don't want to watch it again,
you know, they're going to show it to us fourteen
times throughout Raw and SmackDown over the next week. Though. Uh,
but favorite match of the night I gotta obviously piggyback
off of you guys as well here John Cena Dominic.
I mean, look, it's his last match. And even though

(01:21:37):
it was placed oddly in the middle of the show, Joey,
you're right, it was full of everybody. Everybody in Judgment
Day was involved except for Rio Ripley and Damian Priest.
You got the return of liv who's looking more extravagant
than before, and the nice little swerve there was fun.

(01:21:57):
She's back with Dominic. She wrote his lap all the
way to the back. What else could you ask for?
Dominic wins a high profile match against John Cena at
the same time has two belts back around his waist. Yeah, no,
it's fucking great. And he did it at home and
he got the cheers. He got some booze, but he

(01:22:18):
got cheered. And that's another thing too that I know,
Joe You've been talking about for a while, like it's
only a matter of time before the audience forces this
motherfucker to be a face. And I think tonight, even
though he was playing the bad guy roll up against
everybody's favorite, John Cena. I think we really got to
see Dominic look like a face in front of an audience,

(01:22:39):
and I thought that was really important.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
Here's what's crazy, and I think that, you know, think
about what you're actually seeing and think about what's actually
true and not how it's presented or how we're supposed
to feel and what future is supposedly going to be
of the company and all that. Right, there's not a
lot of people in that match that aren't at least

(01:23:05):
comparable to as over as dom Currently and Dr John
Zena and dare I even say there were at least
three men in that match that aren't as over as live.
Am I wrong?

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
I mean, no, you're not, and that's it. But you're highlighting,
But Joe, you're highlighting a bigger problem. Yeah, but Cody,
Cody and Punk are over regardless of belts or not.
The crowd reacts the way you want to to react.
Ria is over. Ria, you know, is probably the top
female star, Yes, unequivocably, unequivocably number one broad in the

(01:23:45):
Fun Company, absolutely right. And then you have these table setters.
The use thos do get the yeat thing, but you know,
I mean that no one really takes it that seriously
outside of that, and then you also have like, you know,
moving pictures, like what are you going to do with
Brock do it Logan Paul? Because you know, Logan Paul
has a big thing outside of this industry, which is
what makes him so popular, but he's good at it.

(01:24:07):
I think the biggest thing my takeaway tonight was the
fact that this was such a very small show in
terms of what they put out as a product. But
if you put it on, you could have told someone
this was WrestleMania, like like the presentation are we gonna
do you? I like, like, do you guys think that

(01:24:30):
is a TKO thing where it's like, look, every time
we're gonna be some in some town and it's a
signature event, make everyone wish that they were here and
make it feel very big, you know, like that's very deliberate.
Right without by the way, without a payoff in the
ring or something significant happen, this was a very weak show.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
Right Well, dude, are somebody serving you Domino's pizza with
white gloves and a fucking you know in a fancy restaurant?
You're like, it's still still fucking dominoes, Like what do
we do anywhere? And that's and that's kind of the
problem also too, where you have these shows and they're
presented as you know, look at this, it's the biggest

(01:25:09):
fucking thing in the world, and then you get, once again,
Nikki Bella and people that nobody knows about, and of
the main event is some dumb fuck finish that you
would do on a random Monday night raw, not in
a stadium in front of forty fucking thousand people.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Yeah, forty plus?

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
Can I throw this out here too? There was a
random comment during the show that I thought was pretty poignant.
I believe it was Oki that said it, but he
was basically saying and it could have been somebody else's
apologies if I'm fucking up the actual deliverer that. Do
you think that the reason why the women's matches are
getting so poor is basically along the lines of because

(01:25:47):
they don't have house shows to practice on, they haven't
learned these improv skills that they would have learned on
house shows and been able to reenact them on PLS.
Do you think that the lack of valve shows? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
Sorry, no, I'm sorry, but what was the excuse during
the divas era? What was some of the worst end
ring performances of all time?

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
I don't know anything was expected. The diva's era was
different because I don't think they were expected to have
talented matches that were just expected to be divas by
the time they ushered that shit out John, all of
a sudden, when you had people like Page and AJ
and everybody else that was starting, like Natty and stuff
that were able to have these amazing in ring matches
and actually entertain people without having the pedal their ass,

(01:26:30):
I think that kind of changed a lot of things
as far as what women were expected to deliver in
the ring. You're still supposed to be gorgeous, but now
you're expected to be fucking talented.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
Too.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
Crazy concept, and it's so weird.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
You're asking too much, you're asking.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
But yeah, I don't know. Somebody brought it up earlier
and I just thought it was an interesting idea. Have
the lack of house shows really kind of damaged the
women's division overall.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
You know, that's damage all of them, and it sucks
because I mean, I'm I'm of the mindset. You know,
you only get so many bumps and you can get
hurt and obviously all those good reasons is a fucking
serious physical toll on your body. But like, wrestling is
not something that people get better at by not doing it.
It's really not that hard to understand, Like this is

(01:27:23):
this is not a skill that people have that they go, oh, man,
I'll tell you what's really helped me get better at
wrestling doing it once every three weeks to a month.
And this is also like and you know, we've made
a lot of references to the mistakes of aw Right
and you would go, oh, well, w W should ww

(01:27:46):
is like not even falling into these pitfalls. They're digging
a hole and jumping in fucking head first, like stay
cop onto the fucking mat, like they're they're making stupid
fucking choices and they should know better. Yeah, that's the
once again, Like, that's the frustrating thing to me. Dicky
Bella has a bad match or a fucking boring match
with Stephanie Viccor, I'm not expecting anything of that. But

(01:28:08):
when you have a bunch of people that should know
what they're doing and they don't, that's a problem. WW.
We should know not giving these people reps, not letting
them have matches, not letting them get any better, and
thinking the solution to it instead is to just put
them in main events or to just have like guys
interfere in the matches is dumb. It's dumb. It's Vince

(01:28:29):
Russo asks Tony Kahan, dumb. Fuck thought like that's what
you've got there. But I don't know, man, I think
that this was it was still an okay show. I
guess for all the negative shit I've said, it's just
it took a long time for it to get there.
What was good on it I was happy with and
was fine, but it was by no means the worst

(01:28:51):
fucking thing it was. It was okay. It was just okay.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Well, John, thank you very much for joining us. Obviously
for all the many people that are listening to you
live on the download. They can check you out on
spitball Media, also on Twitter at Spitball Underscore Media, and
then at I Am John Draper. Spitball Media pretty much
available on every single podcast platform as well as Patreon

(01:29:14):
and yeah yeah, what else you got going on? John?

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
I you know, I've been drunk for four straight days
for the holiday, and this is the most sober i've been,
and I'm very I'm fairly sober. But I got an
album coming out. They're re releasing my first album from
ninety one. Oh wow this Yeah, Yeah, I got it.
It's coming out in the winter, so when it comes

(01:29:39):
to I'll.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
Get a more definitive date there.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
But yeah, I'm doing I'm doing. I'm doing the retro thing.
I'm doing the thirty five years later thing, so that'll
be interesting. I'm not performing, but it'll be available for streaming.
It's my hardcore band Lament, first time ever nineteen ninety
one release is going to be available streaming like all
platforms in the winter and a full re release uh

(01:30:04):
with uh unheard material like you know. So it's gonna
be a full album. So I'm excited to uh to
push that. Yeah, I'm excited. Yeah, comes out in the winter.
We're getting a we're geting a date after after the holidays.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
Nice, nice, well, And then with that said, for myself
and Joey much love to everybody live in the chat.
We'll be here on Tuesday, Tuesday, the follow up to
Monday Night Raw and the fallout of the Survivor series.
Joe do they Fix anything do they do? They make
it all better on Monday Night.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
We lodgic.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
No, yeah there, that's what I think is gonna happen.
Jesus Christ. But pissed to you guys, and pissed tell
the humans.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
See you guys, Patreon dot Com, Forward, Slash, Wrestling Soup
Talk to you later.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
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