You Can Overcome Anything: Ep 319 - 9 Year Alcohol Addiction that Nearly took his Life - Keegan Downer - You Can Overcome Anything! Podcast Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Are you looking for more out of your life? Do
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are sharing their challenges, their stories, their habits and the
mind shifts they had to overcome to become who they
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I present to you our great speakers at you Can

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Overcome Anything Podcast Show with your post Caesar is you
know hellother? And welcome back to another episode of You
Can Overcome Any of the podcast show. It is your
host Caesar Espino and today I have a special guest.

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His name is Keihan. He is the founder and the
chief vision Officer of Mindful Mets, a premium supplement company
that revolutionizing mental health and personal growth in Canada. Keihan
in Journeys is nothing short of inspiring. He went from
battling a nine year alcohol addiction that almost took his

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life as a result of his addiction, depression and anxiety
took over. Before the transformational transformation began. Keihan transformed his
life with the incredible power of mushrooms, a natural supplementation.
Now his own mission to help others do the same.
So welcome to the show. Happy to have you here.

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And you know that definitely I love that idea of
just knowing that after nine years you were able to
overcome that we do something specific and something special, and
I want to dive into that. Before we get there,
they'll tell me a bit about your upbringing and where
you're original from.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Sure, Well, first of all, thank you for allowing me
to come on here and h and share the story.
My attention is to really help some people. I've learned
a ton over the last decade about mental health and
UH and really it's led me to the worst that
I do today. But so I'm chatting with you from Calgary, uh,
from the western part of Canada, and I'm just at

(02:32):
by catching table man And yeah, I guess what was
the second part of the question.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, yeah, how was your upbringing? How was that for you?
What was your upbringing? Because you know, you always hear
the idea of when I grew up. I want to
be this, I want to be that, right, and so
sometimes that doesn't happen. Life takes different turns, and you know,
life happens, and and whether it's good or bad. I
believe that the journey that we're in there's a reason
for that, and then what who we were in the

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past can determine who we are now and makes us
do the things that we're doing right.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Totally, man, Yeah, I mean it, like all of our stories,
it starts to childhood and mine was this. I guess
my first major wound was my dad. My parents separated.
I was in grade one. My dad's Irish, so he
ended up actually moving back to the UK. And you know,

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it was an amazing life because I got to spend
ten months with a lot of structure with my mom
and my stepdad, who's been such a blessing in my life.
My stepdad for ten months a year, and then literally
at the last day of classes from grade two to
the end of high school, my mom put us on
a plane and we flew out to England and we

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spent the summers with my dad and it couldn't have
been a polar opposite environment to go from dinner on
the table every night, having you know, a lot of
love and support and structure, and then go into my
dad's for the summer and the wheels fall off and
you can eat whatever you want, you can do whatever

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you want. There was just no rules. And in some
ways that was a lot of fun. But in other ways,
you know, it was complicated because my dad, you know,
was an incredible guy. He spent his career building social
programs for the underdogs, people with depression and anxiety in
the nineteen nineties when this conversation wasn't really you know, happening,

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and but he was never really able to help himself,
and so he had a lot of trauma and a
lot of wounds that were just kind of buried deep
within and and really kind of poisoned his system. So
that's kind of where it began.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, well I got him, So that definitely that was
impactful to you know, for you. Let's talk about that idea.
What I asked earlier too, is like, you know, when
you we have an idea of I want to be
a doctor, I want to be a police officer, I
want to be this whatever, right now, what was it
for you?

Speaker 2 (05:07):
You know what man I that's such a good question.
I remember the first job that I ever wanted to
I wanted to become a human rights lawyer. I was
so into you know, I was the guy that beat
up the bully in junior high. In high school, I was,

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I guess, in some ways, always been advocating for the underdog.
And for me, that started in grade two. I got
diagnosed with the learning disability. And you know, for any
kid or any person that's ever been through something like that, man,
you know that that carries a big weight, and for me,

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I buried it deep within and I hit it and
I never told anybody until literally couple of years ago
on a podcast, and I basically just freed myself with this.
And so I really didn't consider myself to be a
very smart guy until I ended up going to post
secondary and learning about business, and then I got fascinated

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with the entrepreneurship journey. But really I wanted to help people,
and I didn't know what that was going to be
or what that looked like. You know, my dad had
his master's in psychology and was building, as I mentioned,
social programs for people with depression and addiction. My mom worked,
you know, in disability transportation. My stepdad was the CEO

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of a social services company, and so it's really it's
it's in our blood to help people. And yeah, so
maybe that explains a little.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Bit for sure. Yeah, definitely. So let's talk about you know, actually,
you know you're in this space where you want to
help people and and and and even you're doing that
now and maybe you know you were not thinking that
you're gonna it is gonna happen. It is happening with
what do you have uh to offer for the people? Uh,
let's talk about though there was a journey, there was

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a there's a process, right you you yourself went through
and you know, battling a nine year alcohol addiction. So
let's talk about that a little bit before you stepped
outside of that and say hey, this is not me anymore,
tell me about that.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, man, I mean, you know, I think we all
grow up if you if you grow up in a
home that is turbulent, you never want to become, you know,
that parent that has the addiction. And certainly for me, man,
I never ever ever saw myself becoming an alcoholic. I
don't think any of us have it scripted that we're
going to become an addict of any kind. But you know, truthfully,

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when I was twenty three years old, I was in
my third year at university. I was taking business and
really flourishing. I love who I want. I loved the
way that I was showing up in the world, and
I was proud of myself. And I would not have
traded my life with absolutely anybody else. And you know,
I was lucky.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Man.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
I was the captain of my high school football team.
I was a leader, you know, really my entire life.
And I only share this because you know what comes next.
I just didn't see coming, man, and I made one
massive mistake one night literally changed the trajectory of my
life for the next nine years. And maybe some people

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here can relate to it. I cheated on my high
school girlfriend, university girlfriend. We'd been together for about four years,
and honestly, man, it ate a hole in my soul.
It really it was. Again, it was another secret I
didn't want to tell anybody. And and so the way
that I, you know, kept this thing buried was I

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started to drink alcohol and really freaking quickly. Man, it
scared from a couple of drinks in the evening just
to get to bed. Next thing, you know, after class,
I'm heading to the pub with you know, the kids
that you know, maybe were also wounded like me. But
you know, you know who I'm talking about, that group

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of kids that maybe maybe you didn't see yourself hanging
around and then the next thing you know, they're in
your allies and yourself destructing together. And honestly, man, I
did that for about one hundred and fifty days in
a row. And you know, I actually got a summer
job in New York City when I was twenty three
years old. It was the summer at two thousand and eight,

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and I showed up because I got hired the previous
summer when I was kind of this version of me,
you know, a much healthier version of me. But by
the time I got to New York, I had been
drinking for one hundred and fifty days and I was
a full blown out of it, and I was hiding
it really well. I was managing to mask it with
humor and you know, unhealthy other behaviors to kind of

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mask it, I guess, But truthfully, man, I was broken inside.
And I found myself on this roof of the building
in New York twenty eight stories high with my feet
cocked up off the ground, looking down at the ground
and just a micro second in a way from jumping
off this building, and my life within six months went
from the guy that had more potential than almost anybody

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else that he knew, to being the guy that was
about to jump off the building.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, when you think about that, and just thinking about
that for a second, you know, you said something and
it was just that one decision that changed the trajectory
of your future right at that moment. And just like
like geting that, I believe that a lot of people
are so afraid of just making that one decision right,
And he can go both ways, right, That one decision

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can change your life for the or it can change
your life for the bad or for the worst, for
the bad, for the words right. And at the end
of the day, people are so afraid of making that decision.
But sometimes, you know, put yourself in that situation like
you did. You put yourself in that situation. I don't
think nobody else did it for you. It was just
you decide and going through that. And and then also

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maybe like you said, you had it all. You were
the captain, You were the leader you were, You had,
you know, all this potential, and then you decided to
kind of, you know, take take that away from yourself.
Yet you're so close to even taking and doing something
that you know a lot of people might be facing.
Sometimes when they're watching it's like, how do I get
out of this? Like I have this depression anxiety, nobody cares,

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nobody believes me. I'm here by myself. Although we're so
busy with this social world, in reality, we're not right.
And so for you, what was that one thing, because
I think this's gonna be a huge message for those
that might be going through something similar, what was it
for you that that you decided, you know what, no,
I'm not gonna jump off. I mean, yes, I'm literally here,

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just literally tiptoe my life away. But I'm not about why.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
You know what, man, it was literally the fact that
my older sister, the one that I went on the
plane with every single summer, she was getting married at
the end of August, and when I was on top
of the building, this was in late July, so I
had to survive thirty days to get to her wedding.
And I'll tell you, man, it was a scary. It

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was a scary because I was at a place where
I was just so checked out. I really did not
ever see myself ever getting my life back. And I
remember showing up in Calgary to go to the wedding,
and I was the MC of the wedding. My whole
family had no idea, dude, that my life had fallen apart.
I had hit it so well. And I think, if

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you're on the receiving end and you're listening to this
right now, you know what I wish I did back then,
was I wish I told somebody. I wish I reached
out to somebody and said, hey, I am struggling, because
I can tell you what, man, I know that I
had great people in my life that would have done
anything to help me. But I was carrying so much

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shame and so much guilt that I really felt like
I was going to be judged and that nobody was gonna,
you know, nobody was gonna, you know, want to be
around me anymore. You know, you start to paint these
terrible worst case scenarios in your head, especially when you're
using drugs and alcohol, you can't even see the best
case scenario. So the truth is, man, is I got

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to my sister's wedding and wildly I met my wife
at that On that night, I met my wife, and
I still went through nine years of becoming an addict.
In twenty sixteen, I ended up being the first guy
at the liquor store at nine o'clock in the morning
every single day for a year and a half leading
up to this. So, yes, you know, we by the way,

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I've been with my wife now for about twelve years.
It took us four years to get together after that,
and so but she was with me through the real
heart of the addiction and stayed with me, and and luckily,
you know, today we get to live this incredible life
and help people together with our stories. But truthfully, man, yeah,

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maybe there's something there that you want to dive into.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
No, yeah, no, definitely not. You know what you just
mentioned I think is so so important, right, I mean
two things. Number one, not not only you know, sometimes
people are so secluded that don't want to ask for help,
and we're afraid to, you know, we're afraid to ask
for help or or again we feel like no one's listening.
And on the contrary that that's not the case.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Right.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
The second thing is you know, I like what you
say here. You said, one of the biggest lessons I've
learned in doing the work that I do is that
we all connect not through the good times, but through
the pain we've all experience, right, And and I think
that kind of leads to what you're doing right now.
You you went through ninety years of a lot of pain. Luckily,

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as you said, you know you're now wife then at
least deserve to support you, which I think that's huge
when we have that support system, whether it's you know,
a significant other or a friend, someone that can help
you with that, and you know more or less believes
in you, because a lot of times the chance that
we have here is that sometimes we need somebody else
to believe in us, even when we don't believe in

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ourselves to be able to get through them, right. And
that's exactly what happened here, right.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Talking about that, let's let's kind of go fast forward.
I mean, you went through a lot of different things,
a lot of different lessons. You know, first and foremost,
how did you get through those nine years Before I
dive into what you're doing now?

Speaker 2 (15:40):
You know what? No like it was you isolate you
you hide, you you bury, you bury yourself in work.
And I was still functional. But like the truth is, man,
is I I had lost my light, you know what
I mean. I couldn't see, I couldn't see any way out.

(16:02):
And I remember, you know, being in the hospital. I
ended up getting hospitalized, and I was losing feeling in
my arms and my legs, and I was losing my eyesight,
and I was, you know, wildly. Man. It didn't scare
me because I thought it was actually gonna kill me.

(16:22):
And I was so still ready for death at that
time that you know, all these symptoms appeared. I ended
up in the hospital. They ran my blood work and
came back and I'll never forget this nurse coming over
to me and saying, holy shit, I have never seen
somebody with blood sugar this high that didn't slip into
a coma. I was diagnosed as a type one diabetic

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at that on that evening, I was hospitalized for days.
And during that hospital stay. You know what, the ultimate
thing that changed my life, dude, was this moment. I
remember my family showing up to the hospital. Alisa, my wife,
was was so close to leaving. It was the end, man,
It was the finish line for her, and understandably, And

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I remember being in that hospital bed and I started
to replay my funeral. I started to think about who
was going to speak at my wedding, who was going
to actually show not the wedding, sorry, at the funeral,
Who was actually going to show up at my funeral,
what was going to be said about my life? And
I realized in that moment that I didn't like any
of it. And my parents, you know, God bless them.

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I didn't come for money. We were a very lower
middle class family. But my parents spent tens of thousands
of dollars to send me to a private rehab facility,
and I accepted. And I'll never forget how scary that
moment was, because again, you're just constantly replaying the worst

(17:51):
case scenario. No one's going to want to talk to
me anymore. My friends aren't gonna like me anymore, my
family's gonna think I'm an idiot all of a sudden,
I'm gonna wear this label an alcoholic. Well, guess what
I do for a living today. I share the pain
and the struggle that I've walked through, only because I
want to help out the next person and there is

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no shame about getting help. And I'll tell you one
thing right now, Man, if you are an addict, or
you're someone that suffered from depression and anxiety or any
of the major things that plague ess, whether that's OCD, PTSD,
eating disorders, if you're somebody that's figured out how to
create a comeback from that, trust me when I say this,
you're somebody I want around me because the odds of

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you making a comeback from something like this, I'm not
going to sugarcoat it. The odds aren't good. So the
ones that actually figured out how to get to the
other side, man, do they ever inspire me? Like crazy?
And you know, the work that I do today, brother,
is really to help the you know what, I what
I consider the underdog. You know, the people that I

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relate to the most are the people that have been
through some shit it. Yeah, and you know, I ended
up going through this rehab facility where you know, I
was I was the you know, it was CEOs and
successful entrepreneurs and you know, yeah, there was a professional
race car driver there. There's all these people that you know,

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you never thought would end up being an addict. And
the truth is we're all just one decision away from
becoming an addict. We're all one traumatic event away from
becoming an addict. And so, you know, it taught me
a lot. It taught me a lot about that community.
It taught me a lot about asking for help. It

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taught me a lot about telling the truth and trying
to trying to talk about these secrets that end up
in your system and these secrets end up poisoning you.
But the truth is is, you know the pain that
we all go through, you know with one another. This

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life isn't about the winds. It's not about the big
business deal that you did. It's not about that hockey
team that you made, or that sporting event or that
meeting where you impressed everybody. Yes, that has elements in life,
but I'll tell you what the biggest lesson that I
learned in the past five six seven years is I

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went from the guy that was the chameleon at the
business meeting and I could become anybody that you wanted
me to be to the point where I didn't even
know who the hell I was, to you know, connecting
with people on a level where we talk about the
vulnerable pieces, we talk about the pain that we've been
through and the thing that I've learned. You know, when

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you start sharing this stuff with other people and they,
you know, start to feel comfortable to share some of
the things that they've been through. Man, Causan, you get this, man,
life isn't easy. All of us are going to have
these painful, tender moments. And if you haven't bumped into
any yet, I hate to tell you it's coming, because

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none of us get out of this without going through
some shit. But the way that we can make it
easier is by talking about it and by sharing our journeys.
And you know, I hope this just resonates with somebody
that just needed.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
To do I think it is, and there's a lot
of lessons there. I mean, you're definitely you're right. I mean,
at the end of the day, it's from pain a
purpose is born. I believe that, right, And you you know,
we go through that, we hear that, and so obviously
you went through a lot of stuff and now you're
in this mission of being able to help people through
a different type of way. I guess you know. So

(21:38):
let's talk about when did the idea come about? My
full means one need that come about sure, man.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Well, I'll tell you what. I didn't know how I
was going to make an impact with this community, but
it was always the goal. So I left rehab. I
was seventy one thousand dollars in debt, now a Type
one diabetic, battling for my health. I've made all these
steaks and burnt all these bridges, and we were so
poor that my wife couldn't even come and pick me

(22:07):
up from the rehab facility, man, because there was a
fairy involved. So no matter where you're at listening to this,
I promise you you can get through this and you
can get to the other side. I you know, So
it takes a lot of humility to be able to
share stuff like this. You know. Three years after I
got out of rehab, three and a half years later,

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I'm now healthy again. I've paid off the debt, I've
got a business that is that is alive and well.
But now I'm driving to my office, man, and I'm
getting panic attacks. I'm literally have such bad anxiety that
I was so close to relapsing that I could taste it.

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I could literally taste it, man, Like I knew it
was going to happen. I raised the red flag. I
waved it in the air, called my parents, called my
wife and said, hey, we need to have a family meeting.
I'm so close to relapsing. And right about that time, man,
I got introduced to somebody that's a mycologist, and a
mycologist is essentially a mushroom farmer. And I had heard about,

(23:09):
you know, the potential of mushrooms becoming something amazing. But
now somebody's walked into my life and actually had the
medicine and introduced me to the medicine, and in a
very short amount of time, my life started to shift
in some incredible ways. I ended up leaving that business

(23:30):
I again. You know, here I am three and a
half years later with a full rebuild. I lost everything
again because I walked away from a really toxic work environment,
something that was so out of alignment to what I
felt was right. And all of a sudden, I've got
this rebuild ahead of me, and I had some time
on my hands, and I started researching. This is twenty nineteen, Man.

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There is very few people, you know. I do some
public speaking events and I'll always ask this question, has
anybody you know it was anybody microdosing in twenty nineteen,
twenty twenty, and if there's a room of one thousand people,
only maybe five or ten people put their hands up,
So it was way ahead of its time. I was
fascinated with the research. I was fascinated with mushrooms as

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a medicine, and you know, I ended up putting together
the first non publicly traded study ever done in Canada
on microdosing. And truthfully, man, the results of the study
were enough to make your jaw hit the floor. We
had somebody come forward at the end that had already
planned her suicide, what she was going to be wearing

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the day that she was going to do it, And
this little study from just little me, man, you know,
by putting this together saved someone's life. And you know,
I can't tell you, man, how good that made me feel.
And all I wanted to do was continue that, And
so I a massive risk, you know, dude. I went

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from a four thousand, downtown, four thousand score off with
downtown Calgary office to working from my house building a
mushroom company. When my own family and friends thought this
is the craziest fricking thing they'd ever heard of their
entire lives. But I knew I had to move it forward,
and here we are five years later. We develop products

(25:26):
that are the safest, the most consistent, and the highest
vibrational frequency mushrooms medicine that you can find anywhere in
the world today. We work with people that are suffering
from all the major things depression, anxiety, PTSD, OCD, eating disorders,
you know, panic disorders, you know, you name it, man,

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You know that really sums up almost you know, people
with addiction. But now on the other side of it,
we also work with the creatives. Now we're working with
the professional athletes and the C suite execusatives. So no
matter where you're at on your journey, I think one
of the greatest bio hacks in the world today is

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being able to use mushrooms with intention, use mushrooms with
a very educated understanding is how it's going to work
on your system. You know, a lot of the work
that we do, Caesar, is we help people get off
the anti anxiety medication, get off of the SSRIs and

(26:29):
safely transition to something that's completely natural and far less addictive,
far less harmful on the body. And so you know,
I know, for you, man, we only got thirty five
minutes to chat because it's kind of the sweet spot
for your community. So I'm kind of rushing, and you know,
there's bits and pieces here that are so fricking important.

(26:52):
But at the same time, you know, maybe we just
do a starter and if you're open to it, I'll
come back and I'll really share are the science and
the data and the twenty five thousand people that we
have served in Canada and share with you what I've learned.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah, yeah, I definitely want to do that. I think
it would be good for us to have a follow
up conversation that definitely wanted to ask a few things,
but let's schedule that because I think it's important to
know that. Here's the one thing that I'm sure many
people might be asking, right, which you know, it's just
society and I'm sure you've come across as before. You know,

(27:29):
the world is just really say, hey, it's safer to
to go to the doctor and get medicine, right, medicine
that is not processed, not that is processed, that is
not natural right. Whereas no, don't do mushrooms or do drugs,
because they're gonna see that as being a drug like marijuana.
Or weed whatever they keeps me like, they put that

(27:50):
in that category. Right, Really, how do you, like, how
do you differentiate and tell people like, really, this is
much safer than those fiels that they're giving you, because
you know, I believe and I'm sure you're in the
same page on this, is that when you go to
the doctor and they give you medicine, they're giving you

(28:10):
enough medicine to where you're on him for live, Like
you're gonna rely on that for live, right, you know,
you run out, you got to go back in and
do that is the biggest money making industry in the world, right,
and hence why they do it like that versus going
through something more natural that even if you're in it
for life, you know that it's helping your system is
much better. So let's talk about that because I'm sure

(28:32):
you have a lot to share in terms of them.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah. Well, first of all, man, Like, if you're listening
to this and you're going, what a bunch of bologna?
This says? I get it. I understand. You know, in
nineteen seventies, Richard Nixon came in and did this war
on drugs. So if you're my mom's age or my
dad's age. He's passed now. But if you're in that,
you know category where you're in your mid sixties or older,

(28:57):
this is a lot for you to understand, because is
but I'll tell you this three things that I want
to share here. You know, if you interviewed a scientist
that was involved in working in science in the nineteen
seventies and you asked any of them today what the

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biggest unfortunate misstep that happened in science might have been,
almost all of them will say that there was three
thousands clinical studies that had already been done on psychedelics,
particularly mushrooms, in the nineteen seventies, and all of that
work ended up being you know, thrown off the table.

(29:39):
War on drugs started, and then things got twisted. So
my point is is I understand, I totally get it.
It's been a confusing you know, you know, when it
comes to this stuff, it can be quite confusing. So
I'll start there now. The second piece is the doctors
and the medicine. You know, I'm a Type one diabetic

(30:01):
and so white collar, conventional medicine saved my life. And
if it's been helpful for you, fantastic. But I'll tell
you in my journey five years on this, you know,
working with the mushrooms and this medicine. Such a big
part of the work that we do is helping people
safely get off of these SSRIs and the feedback that

(30:22):
I get on a daily basis it sounds something like this.
You know, I got put on one of these SSRIs
when I was in high school because I had a
baby and I ended up with some postpartum depression. And
here I am thirty years later, still on this same
fricking SSRI and I'm trapped on it, and my emotions

(30:46):
are numb. I've lost the connection with my family, and
you know, maybe that resonates with you. So let me
just start there. There's no judgment here. I totally get it.
If it's been helpful for you, I understand. But just
know this is what I want to leave you with.
You know, the biggest drug study that has ever been

(31:07):
done in the world was done by this guy named
Professor David Nutt, and he's the head of the Pharmacon,
the Pharmalogical Society at the Imperial College of London. So
we're talking in Ivy League School in the UK, and
this drug study was looking at the top kind of
fifteen most dangerous drugs in the world, and they were

(31:31):
looking for the damage that it did to your own
individual body when you consumed it, and they were looking
at the damage that it did to the community around you. Now,
this study was done in like I said, in Europe,
but they replicated it in North America and they got
identical results. I'll ask you this just just when it

(31:54):
comes to safety, because that word came up, and I
want to just share this because this is something that
everybody should know. What do you think the number one
most dangerous drug in the world is?

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Take Again, I would probably say, and we're talking about
things that you consume like I would say probably over
the counter medicine, like some of the basic you know,
heade bills or things like that.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
At of the old title, I would say.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
That, Hey, so you're close. It's alcohol.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
The number one most dangerous drug in the world for
your own body and the people around you is alcohol.
Three million people a year globally die from the alcohol
related illness. Okay, So let's get that out there, right.
It's completely it's everywhere, it's accessible, it's on every fricking
ad that you see when you watch the baseball game,

(32:46):
you know it's it's available everywhere twenty four hours. It
can get delivered to your house. But it's the most harmful.
Think about that just for a moment. Now. As the
list goes down, they study fifteen to the drugs, So
then it's like okaine, crack, cocaine, methamphetamines, cannabis is on there,

(33:06):
Caffeine is on this list, and it numbers zero the
very last place, the safest drug in the entire world.
And I'm only saying drug here because it is framed
that way. In the study, we say medicine is mushrooms.
Not one person in the history of time has ever
overdosed on mushrooms. They are by far the absolute safest

(33:29):
drug in the entire world. So I think that's just
a really great starting point for our conversation, Caesar.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Ye, and if you're.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Open to it, brother, I'd love to come back and
I'll share a bit more science with you, guys. I'll
share some of the other data that I know, and
I think at the end of it you can then
make a decision to where you stand on it all.
But I think the most important thing is just just
get educated, just go and understand it. Look at the science.
You don't have to listen to me. Look at the science.

(33:56):
You know that that's the only way that we can
all agree is is with the clinical data and the
clinical studies that have been done right. And this can't
be debated anymore. I promise you in the next five years,
psilocybin and microdosing will be in every single medicine cabinet
all across North America and probably globally, you know, the
same way that we have advil. And you know, we

(34:18):
won't get into that today, but we all know what's
coming up recently about this, right, I thought that would
take good place to start.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Bro I definitely agree with that. I definitely think that
we definitely want to have another shot this and go
over all of the other things because I think it's
a really good conversation. And again, you know, just kind
of looking and thinking about what there really means and
have you know more than anything, is it accepted?

Speaker 2 (34:44):
You know?

Speaker 1 (34:44):
And and that's another thing that I know might be
a question, you know, can is this something that I
can get anywhere to help me? Or how did I
utilize that for things and addictions that I'm going through,
and I think that's very important for us to kind
of connect. So tell me for now, how can people
connect with you and get a hold of you and
find out more about and the things that we're talking about.

(35:06):
We definitely have to do one show again, but we're
not starting to connect with you.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Thank you man. So our website is mindful Meds dot io,
and all of our products are there. You know, if
you're interested in understanding how mushrooms work. We have the
most comprehensive microdosing guide that I believe is available anywhere
in the world. Our team put almost five hundred hours

(35:31):
into building this document well before chat GPT, and we
give it away for free. It's sixty two pages long.
The drug study that I just mentioned is in the guide.
My big thing is this, let's give people all the
information that they consume can can consume, and then you
just make a decision if it's right for you or not.

(35:52):
I'm not going to sell anybody on it, but I
will tell you it is by far the safest drug
in the entire world, and it is shifting people's lives
in such a positive way that I'm pretty excited about it.
If you can't tell right the incredible journey. Our instagram
is Mindful Meds Underscore Ca. Start there. Start with Mindfulmeds

(36:16):
dot Iowa is the website. Mindful Meds Underscore Ca is
our Instagram and I'd love to connect with you. I
offer free coaching calls every Thursday, fifteen minute calls to
really get to know you the things that you're going
through and help pair you up with medicine that is
going to work for your exact body type, the exact

(36:38):
thing that you're going through, and the exact outcomes that
you might be looking for. So, whether you're somebody suffering
with anxiety or depression, or you're an NHL player and
you're playing for the Toronto Make Beliefs. We have several
active hockey players that uses our medicine. Or maybe you're
a C suite executive, maybe you're somebody that is just

(36:59):
looking for a cool to get to the next level
in your career. We made products for that as well,
and we're really proud of what we've built here. Man.
We've We've got you know, well over one point five
million microdoses in the marketplace in Canada alone in the
history of our business. I think We've only ever done

(37:20):
one or two returns in the history of our business.
So we're really really proud of the medicine that we serve.
And but we lead with education and and and that's
kind of all I want to do is help people
open their eyes to a few things and then they
can make decisions from there.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah, for sure, is the medicine based on the treatment
or the person's condition, like in terms of the time
that you will take that or how much should take?
Obviously not so much with that, but is that specific
to the person whatever you're trying to it is man.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
And you know, one of the most interesting things about
mushrooms is, you know the sweet spot for me when
it comes to the active ingredients. And for if we
had a group of twenty or thirty people in front
of us, almost all of us would need to approach
this ever so slightly differently. So we work with people
with wherever they're at, with whatever they're looking for. And

(38:20):
you know, none of us are doctors. But the truth is,
at this stage we've worked with so many people, we've
done our research, and we can make suggestions based on
what we've learned. And so yeah, we tailor a package
based on you as an individual.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Awesome. Well, definitely, this is a good conversation. I think
this is a good placeholder for us to come back
and learn more about it and actually getting to the
science of it and a lot of the benefits. And
I think it will be also be good for us
to you know, kind of talk about some of testimonials
and some of the things that people have experienced getting

(38:56):
on this and how fast they sell some results. I
think that's huge because I think that definitely when you
can provide that as you said that that I and
the information to the people, now you can want to
make your own decision based on that.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
So well, I love that you brought that up. So
in your microdosing guide, our study that I mentioned at
the very start of this, all of the testimonials from
the study are available on our website. Look at the
reviews underneath all the products. We have hundreds upon hundreds
of five star reviews. Listen to. You know, you can
get some insights from from people with their reviews. And

(39:30):
the truth is, the reviews aren't for us. The reviews
are for people that are curious about it, because you
might just read one that really resonates and you go,
oh my god, I can relate to everything that person
is going through, and so we encourage people to leave reviews.
All the testimonials are in that microdosing guide and the study.
It's available for free on our website. So even if

(39:51):
you don't anticipate becoming you know, a client or a customer,
you use us as a resource to get educated and
do some learning.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah, for sure, I love that. Well again, thank you
again for being here. Hean, And You've given us a
lot of great information and definitely want to have you
back before I let you go. Anything else that you
want to share.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Yeah, I mean, for me, it would just be you know,
if you're struggling right now and you're embarrassed, and you've
got this heavy guilt and shame that is consuming you,
and you think no one's gonna understand, I promise you
that is not true. Reach out. It is not weak
to speak. Okay, So do yourself a favor, Find that

(40:36):
one cousin, that one colleague, that one friend, and share
with you, share with that one person what it is
you're going through. I promise you, all of us know
that if somebody reached out to you today and they
ask for help. What an honor that would be to
receive that call, right and I truly mean that, So
don't be afraid to ask for help. It'll end up

(40:58):
being the best thing that you ever did. And man,
can I ever relate to those people that need the help?

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Yeah, for sure, definitely thank you again for that. I
think that's huge and thank you for sharing that. And
definitely for the rest of you guys, do me a favor.
Go out and check out his instagram, go out and
go to the website, look at the studies, and we're
definitely gonna have him back over here so we can
get dip down into the science and all the other
stuff that the mushroom has and the benefits. So again,

(41:27):
thank you for that, Keon for being here, and please suffer.
So you guys please make sure they share this because
somebody definitely needs to hear this message and he can
impact their lives positively. So you guys, the next episode
of You Can Overcome and podcast show. Thank you brother.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Hi.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
I'm Caesar Espino, real estate investor, business coach and consultant
and author of the book You Can Overcome Anything, Even
when the world says No. My number is four two
four five zero one six zero four to six. In
my book, I talk about making the necessary changes to
shift your mind for prosperity and certainty. Pick up your
copy at Amazon. Also love helping families with their real
estate and can purchase your house fast and all cash.

(42:04):
Follow me on Instagram, Facebook and LinkedIn. My number is
four two four five zero one six zero four six.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Thank you for having me today. I am so glad
you've tuned into this podcast. You can find me at
your favorite podcast platform where you can like, subscribe, comment
and share, and to learn more about myself my services.
You can find me at www dot caesararspinot dot com,
or you can also find me at your social media.

(42:32):
Thanks for joining me and I am looking forward to
having you at the next episode and know you truly
can overcome anything.

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