March 30, 2023 • 34 mins
Friend of the show and SATC newbie Joey Patt joins us to talk about queer stereotypes, dating tropes, shifting narratives and more in our continuing watch party of Sex and the City.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm walking to Steph.
I never told your protection of iHeartRadio and we're back
with our Happy Hour edition of Sex in the City,
Viewing of Times, Party Times. I keep messing these intros up,
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but I'm gonna go with it because I feel like
that's the spontaneity of it all. And today we're so
excited because we're gonna have collaborator friend all the things
of the show. Joey Yay. Hello. All right now I
need to ask, although I know the answer, but you
need to tell our listeners how familiar are you with
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Sex in the City. So I'm not super familiar. It
was it was a little, a little before my time,
so just a little. But I know my mom watched it.
I think my sister only my little sisters are there too.
I'm sorry, but I also do. I was. I live
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in New York and I went to college in New
York and like all live my momice for ends when
I was moving out to New York. We're like, you
need to watch this, and I was like yeah, and
then I didn't. I will say I have had one
sided beat with Sarah Jessica Parker since I was a
kid because my initials are also s JAP Joey's for
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my middle name, and all of the SJAP social media
handles were taking my Sarah Jessica Parker and I was
really mad about that when I was like first getting
on Twitter. Um, but yeah, I'm excited excited to watch
I've seen like clips here and there, you know, I like,
it's hard to like avoid it, but I'm excited to
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watch my first full episode of Sex and the City.
When you're in for a treat, and this one is interesting. Yeah,
so go ahead and put a little warning at the beginning,
as per usual with all of these episodes, and as
you heard from Joey, yes, their mom watched it, So
let's just go ahead and say that. And with that,
some of the content and topics, of course, is outdated,
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and so we're gonna come back and talk about it,
because you know, we never scart away from the issues
with the show, because we would like to talk about
the good, the bad, and ugly and the wonderful. So
we will definitely address any of those things beforehand. And
as per usual, we have to have a review from
the wonderful Annie Reese. Please give us a quick review
of what has been happening in the world of Sex
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in the City. Well, this is so fun because I
too have never seen sex in the City, but obviously
I've been here for all the episodes prior to this,
which there are ninety four episodes Joey just so you know,
and three movies and then another many not mini series anymore. Yeah,
there's a lot of content. So I've been thinking about this.
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I feel like normally I just give a very haphazard
review of the last episode, but I will tell you
it's four friends and they're having high jinks. In the
relationship world in New York, there is usually a club
scene or restaurants in her boat. But you've got Charlotte
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who's trying to find the one and just never does
and works in the art world, sort of if you're
like more conservative. I wouldn't say she's like conservative, but
like of them, she wants to get married. She has
dated some interesting characters though, like an actor who really
had no brains recently. And then you've got Samantha, who
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is the one that's like, oh, I just want to
have sex, I feel comfortable in my body, like all
that stuff. And then you've got Miranda who's sort of
your like single woman in an apartment, has a good
job as a lawyer, but she has met her dude
that people who have seen the show know about Steve,
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and they're trying to negotiate like a she banks more
money than him, and that was the whole thing. And
they have different schedules because he's a bartend. There's that
was the whole thing. And then you've got Kerry, who
is your main character, who has met Big, who is
her on and again off again dude. And they've had
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a lot of conversations around like religion and marriage and
what they want and is he actually a douchebag all
those kinds of things. At the heart of it is
their friendship, the friendship of these four characters. And that's
about where we are is We've got Miranda with Steve
trying to figure out money things. They just broke up.
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Oh yeah, they just broke up, but over kind of
money is okay, Charlotte not finding the one, Samantha doing
her thing, and then Carrie was Big and they continue
to have these big relationship conversations. Very nice, what a
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good succinct summary. So now you know Joey where we're
at a little bit um because this is a happy hour.
We maybe may or may not be drinking on some cocktails.
Anybody drinking anything special? What you got? Annie? Red wine?
Every time? Every time? I am keeping it low key
with my bubbly water, very bubbled it. Maybe the head
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water that we recently were given. I don't know what
about you. I was originally flat at having red wine.
But I'm still on my coffee from this morning, so
I'm gonna stick to it. Finishing my coffee right, Yeah,
I'm drinking coffee. Yes, little peak behind the curtains. It's
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not exactly happy our time for us, but you know
we're pretending right any times happy hour if you want
it to be h And just as a reminder, if
you know, just a reminder if you are drinking as
you're listening to this episode or whatever you're doing, be responsible. Technically,
those Streaks that we've talked about are not a current
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sponsor for this episode, though they may be sponsors throughout
who knows. Hey, So the title of this episode and
this is my favorite part, we're gonna give it to uh, well,
I'll let you get I'll tell you the episode and
then Joey, you can either take it or give it
to Annie first for the prediction, I'll let you decide.
But the title of this episode of season two, episode
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eleven is evolution. So anybody want to take a guess? Okay,
I'm right, I'm right. Have just given our conversation earlier,
because I know there is I think about one of them,
like quote, becoming a lesbian at one point or something.
I don't know if this is it, but I again
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using that in quotational rights. I don't know if I
yeah a terminology, but maybe it's that episode. I'm not
I'm not totally sure. I feel like there's gonna be
some like queerness though, Okay, this is my guess, right,
I like it. Annie always add in they go to
a club, go to the club, to right, probably probably
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after the club post club. Okay, I feel like it's Oh.
I think that there's gotta be something about sort of
oh no, this is what happens to me, Joey, I
always get my head back. Okay. I think it's gotta
be you know, evolving outside of relationships to the next
relationship and or discussion and about how we have evolved
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in the terms of relationships and what we think is
a good relationship, bad relationship, or something else. Mm I
bet there'll be something with yeah, Rand and Steve and
just to talk about, like what do we even want?
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What do we even want in this world? I like
the desperation towards the end in your prediction here, Annie like,
and that's a great question. What do we want? We want? Wow? Y'all? Yeah,
you guys hit it all over the place. I will say,
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they are definitely elements to what you're saying. Joey any Yeah,
you're passing. I think, Okay, we'll get into that at
the end. But yeah, let's go ahead. Let's go ahead
and start this episod. Actually I'm going off it. Are
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you trying to have a baby? No? No? I yes,
I sort of jumped the gun going on in the
first place because Steve, the guy that I went on
it for the first real relationship I've had in years,
is over. And I don't need a daily reminder that
I'm not having sex. So that's the story with the pill.
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And I know the concept of the pill is a
little different, like I got on a ulate my system essentially, Yeah,
oh god, I'm not having sex? Do you just want
to yes or no, that's it. I don't even know why.
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With big I think it's best to walk softly and
carry a big purse. Yes, she shouldn't leave anything there.
It's important to remain a creature of mystery. So talking
about leaving things behind at your partner's house to stake territory, which,
by the way, is a new TikTok trend, maybe not new,
a TikTok trend in which women who have stayed and
maybe even an over one night stand will leave things
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just in case they are having a relationship in light
about it and the other person can find it to
know that they were there. So what you're telling, how interesting?
But this is different obviously prove I've heard about it
more in terms of that's how you get the invite back.
It's like you lea so many different things this, this
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route has evolved in itself. It sounds like she's doing
it to stak territory. Then it's become something else altogether.
Then I want a T shirt that says I dated
a bartender and all I got was this lousy ovary.
It is funny hearing them talk about it. Or she's
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like the sperm has to jump over it. This sounds
like me as a kid trying to explore. I don't know,
maybe it's personal stuff, but I would be like great,
like less of a chance I can get partner Like
that sounds amazing. We're held different generation. Shut that down.
Immediately shut it down. He must be a gay straight
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man because he has Charlotte out for a second day,
unless he's a straight gay man in denial. But so,
Charlotte is now seeing a gay straight man who has
great taste in fashion and also well quote unquote her
or kill sir, nicer version. Wait. So is the implication though,
that he's closeted and he's trying to be straight or
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maybe it's the opposite, in which he just feels more
able to be effeminate but is straight. That's the question. Okay.
Imagining Samantha with a broken heart was almost more confusing
to Charlotte than a French kiss from a gay man
ancient history. They just really in this And also as
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a reminder, sex in the City really did not have spectrums.
They were hard line you're gay straight, and there was
not even like bisexuality. They didn't literally there's a line
later in episode saying that she didn't believe in that.
So it's kind of this whole conversation of like, yeah,
I think I've definitely seen that clip for then I
thought about it. I don't know, it's just just it's
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so funny, like the just the conversation that has changed
so much because I'm bisexual and I'm like I I'm
like most I don't know. I feel like most of
my friends are somewhere on the spectrum, ay right, I
don't know. Maybe it's just the people I'm around, but
it makes sense. Of course, like I as the older,
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I would definitely have grown with that because it to me,
I didn't know it was anything but the binary. But
then you're like, oh, yeah, that doesn't make sense. It
really doesn't make sense in me. Yeah, I will say
I think because I remember being in like high school,
and I was still like I don't know, Like I
feel like I didn't Bisexuality wasn't like a thing people
talked about until like I was in my late teens,
which is still, you know, pretty young. I love that. Still, yeah,
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it's definitely growth. Do you want me to leave socks here? Well?
Never mind what I want? What do you want? I
don't know. Let's save an hour. Why don't you just
tell me what I want? No? Really in your mind? Terrible,
terrible in relationship. It is funny how much if this
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is about how we don't really communicate well in relationships though,
And there's all these games we play, like power games,
and what is that. I have my place, you have yours.
We're together when we want to be, and we're apart
one we want to be like Woody and Mia really bad,
really bad, take really bad. That was like a gut
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right Wait what did he say? She said, like Woody
and Mia before Sunni, which is the adopted Do you
know the story of what you No? I don't think so?
Yeahs too. I was like, yeah before the adopted daughter. Yes, yeah,
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so I will say I did. I also would have
subscribed to the whole Separate but Together conversation. I loved
that aspect in my relationship previously. Don't get me wrong,
I love living with them now, but like there was
the safety in knowing it. I had my own space
that I had to take care of, and they had
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their home space that they had to take care of.
But because we were our neighbors, like I lived upstairs
he lived downstairs. It was a beautiful setup. So I
loved that. There's something true. Totally support that. Yeah, I
feel like that. I mean, if I left the hair
dryer at somebody's place, I'd have to get another hair dryer.
I'm not going to their apartment every time they use
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the hair dryer. You as a minimalist for certain things, Yeah,
I was like, are you n I don't know, short hair,
I don't have as much makeup for all that I
think carried us. But right, just like umpires all the
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things obviously, and she can afford it for some reason. Yeah,
all of a sudden it hit me that if the
other ovary shuts down, I'm out of business. So I've
started taking hormones and now I'm actually considering freezing my eggs.
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Freezing your eggs, yeah, you know, like a fertility savings account.
I think it would take the pressure off I will say,
as getting older, and I'm like, I still don't know.
Maybe I had thought about should I freeze eggs? But
then I'm like, I don't think so that's a good idea.
What is all this reproductive technology doing for us? I mean,
do we want desperate women having babies? At fifty. Maybe
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some people aren't supposed appropriate. Maybe this is the world's
way of weeding out the week, sweating out on a
date exactly designer sperm and he simulated wounds. Here's a
good idea. Why don't we just eliminate men all together? Yeah? Man,
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who's doing crop rotation on his forehead? A little quickly,
I've been in this with the dude before, too. We
get of Yes, I'm like, sure, I didn't you get
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a crop rotation is talking about natural selection and you're like,
wait what just people? Yeah. Also, it should be totally
cool to just have a conversation about your horribones, not
have someone freak out good morning, good morning, sleepy something smment.
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I really need to know if war women who have
had like one night stands or sleep women actually end
up wearing the dude's shirt the next day, because I'm like,
when do you judge a picture? What point? Yeah? What point?
Who does has done this? Unless it's on purpose? Because
you like, right, like when you start stealing your partners
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stuff or are you borrowing it? Yeah? Sure borrowing tell
my partner that I don't think that his name is
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big so much so the origination of that is that
the first episode, second episode, first episode of the show,
Sam knew him as the next big real estate person
and like the next big rich dude. So they talk
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most of the times in references to like nicknames. So
that stuck for him unfortunately, because yeah, it's not great,
but he may be the only dude that it has
a nickname, because that's how when I was dating, I
would never give him a name. They would have some
type of nickname until like we were more official. Okay,
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yeah that makes sense. Yeah, So like it could be
just because so much of dating and I was like
online dating, I was just like, oh, yeah, that hinge person. Yeah,
like the tender person. Yeah, I'll talk to my friends
about exactly. I think the tender person was one. Um.
I think I called one. The musician, I called one
like like so many different what was he. I still
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don't know if he was telling me the truth, because
he told me he was something a capital investment dude,
and I was like, what does that mean. I still
think he might have been lying to be fair, because
he was like, I have a BMW, but it's in
the shop, and I was like, yeah, there's so many
things that I'm like this doesn't this doesn't head up.
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But yeah, there you go. So Annie, you did talk
about evolving in their life. So I'll give you a thing.
They do mention Steve kind of, but not a lot.
They didn't go to a club. I'm sorry. They did
not go to a club. Oh yeah, actually they did.
They did go to a club. Yeah, you're right. I forgot.
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That's where the dominic isn't that club? You're right, So
there is a club scene, so I'll give you that.
There's definitely queer reference in like not being very evolved
in it, I guess at this point. So there you go.
I will give both of y'all points. I'll give you
a tie. Y'all did good. Y'all did good? Yeah you did.
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I think the mystery was the whole like, yeah, the
metrosexual dude coming into play, which is hilarious because that's
so gone. That term is gone now, right, Like that's
the smest when I'm very good friend who is a
straight man who regularly refers to himself as metrosexual, and
I make fun of him about it all the time,
and he's the only person I know that uses that,
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Like I've heard in the past, like ten years the
word metrosexual. Yeah, yeah, it's not. Do they do it
seriously or jokingly? He says it seriously every time. I'm like,
I stop, but um yeah, he's also very very straight.
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That's funny. I feel like, yeah, but I do think
like effeminate quote unquote, like straight man is becoming more
like normalized, you know, and like definitely through the like
I don't know, like the whole TikTok like thing and
all of that. Um yeah again, I'm also like, I'm
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a queer person who is mostly friends with queer people,
and I feel like it's a different conversation. I don't know.
I definitely like like I can't imagine any of my
like your girlfriends being like, yeah, I'm not gonna date
this guy because he like acted to a feminine or two.
I feel like that's like a plus, Like that's why, Oh,
he's like more in touch with this emotion, right, Like
he gets like more you know, traditionally feminine things like
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fashion or all of that. Like I feel like that's
a plus. Yeah, but I don't know. I love a
man who cooks. I love a man who can have
a conversation about feminism. That's wonderful. Yeah, legitimately and understanding it.
That's why I think K dramas are a big hit
right now because they are all about the sensitive man
slash some other things. But they do definitely are like
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one of the lines and some of them was like
it's okay to cry. They keep saying that to each
other though. I think it's interesting, but there you go.
How do you feel about your first experience in watching
the full episode of Sex and the City, Joey, that
was fun? I definitely was not. I I feel like
I'm so used to like the really long after and
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drawn out to shows out It's like, this is fun,
just kind of quick. But yeah, I definitely it was
an interesting experience. Was was expecting a lot of that
like nineties, like forty percent of the way there with
the sexual liberation. But yeah, it was good. It's fun.
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I know there's I should have asked my My little
sister likes the show too, and I know there's like
one because everybody's always like I'm a like Miranda or Samantha.
There's one that she says reminds her of me. I
cannot remember when it was, though, I definitely want to
know now, so know that. I'm like, I feel like
I haven't Miranda maybe right, it's Miranda's the lawyer. Yes,
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so she's a very straightforward sure, like no holes barred
type of person who, let you know, very very uh
they are for her friends and very loyal for sure.
So that sounds like very blunt. Yeah, but I'm definitely
gonna ask after those. Yeah, you should report No, definitely.
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Oh yeah, I'll let you guys know. We've had to
do it. We should wait. Oh, we should have made
you do a quiz that we've done that before. We
should have made you do a quiz beforehand. We'll send
you one after the fact. We'll get we'll do a
short back. It's not going to be ever on and yeah,
in my realization, this episode was released before you were born.
So when was it? Nineteen ninety nine? Okay, I was
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born at ninety nine. Okay, you were born. Wait, what
is your birthday? We don't know your birthday. You don't
have to announced it over a birth episode. Well, I'm
then cancer. It's in July. Okay, So, okay, you were
born right before the release of this episode. Yeah, because
this was done in August of nineteen ninety Okay, so
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the yearn and I was going to college, it's okay, gosh,
I definitely it is funny to watch stuff that's said
in New York. Yeah, it was like right before everything
that's super super gentrified. I was like, oh my god,
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I can't imagine like being like I don't I don't
think I know anybody who lives in Chelsea that's very
very expensive. Now, well, it's so funny. Is like I
think people want you to watch it to see as
if like it's going to be a setup for your life.
You're like, there's no way, to hell anyone lives this
life unless you are already rich, like you are born
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rich and probably a part of a family that has
lived and has owned property in New York for the
past hundred years. You're not gonna ask that life. And
I was like, they have set all their apartments. They
have like an actual like like I'm in my bedroom
right now, and everything is very like you can see
my bedroom frame right now, because it's it's very compact.
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I guess Carrie's department is probably the most because you
see the bedroom in the like the living room is connected,
it's not separate. And then they have a bathroom in
a kitchen, but still it was like, still, that's that's expensive,
because I think she lives in a brownstone or something.
You're like, nah, that's not a definitely thing for the
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people who were just starting out. But yeah. There was
so much in this episode about evolution and growing, which
is quite funny because as we look back on it,
it is very outdated and what they think is being
evolved between the trope we let's let's name all the
tropes I was in there. Obviously the effeminate man being
gay versus also the women having to hurry up and
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save their eggs or they're gonna be useless. What else?
What else? What are the other tropes we saw on
those There's so many good ones. Believing the shirt yeah,
the shirt, yeah, the territorial markets the thing, I feel
like that's always and yeah, but also the inability to
communicate so therefore you do things passive aggressively. Yeah. I
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feel like the there was kind of a vibe with
Miranda the because she's the like business oriented one. She's
having this trouble with the lads of your wary um
where she's being punished for like putting her job first.
I've punished, but like the conversation being, oh, you put
your job first, here's the cost, which you know, there's
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a there's a legitimate conversation you can have about that.
But it felt much more like, I guess I'll date this.
It implied douchebag that's been harassing her for would have
a baby, to possibly have a baby, which should possibly
have a baby. It's a whole thing throughout I will
say eventually, I'm just saying, Okay, let maybe you think
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of I don't know if you guys watched like New
Girl at all, they had like a similar arc in
that with one of the characters. It was very odd,
and then she turned out to be able to have
tons of babies. Yeah, yeah, definitely not at that point
in my life yet. But I'm just very It's it's interesting.
I His reaction though, is definitely like I feel like
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that's I don't. I also maybe this is me being
not even not interacting with straight mud as much, but
like I feel like I'm not that's not as shocking
any bore to be like, oh, like some people freeze
their eggs or like some people, you know, there's a
lot of modern medicine is great, Right, there's lots of
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alternatives for you, because I get the whole like wanting
to be a relationship to have a kid. But at
the same time, I'm like, whenever this sort of trope
comes up, it was like the same with me, girl,
I was like, why I don't even look into like
just getting a sperm downer, Like like that's never part
of the conversation. It's like, if you want kids, it's
always coming and has to come with the man or
show like I don't know. Yeah, right, it was interesting.
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It was it would It's definitely interesting. And at Lisa
couple them because the conversation starts out with a lesbian
couple going to treatment because they wanted to they want
a baby, and then all that stuff and like you
you only have a certain amount of time, let me
tell you this, but like it had to be a
couple committed, a couple before they even had that conversation.
And then yeah, CC who is the character goes into
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like a dating spree, matchups free to find her perfect mate.
But yeah, I think it's interesting. But I know, we
haven't talked much about this. This didn't really get brought
up here, but the fact that with this anti reproductive
healthcare movement, it does push back on seagacy as well
as IVF treatments and such as that a little bit
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a lot more than you would think, and it could
affect the laws. There's a lot of laws possibly undermining
any of those things in the future. But again, this
is where we go a little dark. I go there,
but there's yeah, there's a whole lot of stuff that's
not that we have to think on. But yeah, in
this episode, it meant turning into really bad choice of
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men in order to be able to be a full woman.
I guess it's the idea. Yeah, And we've talked about
this before, Joey, but a lot of times at the
end of these it's it's kind of what would seem
like a frivolous thing in a lot of ways, but
it was very important when it came out, and like,
obviously we've come a long way, but well we'll talk
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about the damn meaning of life at the end of
these sometimes, like we're still having these conversations, just kind
of differently more evolved. You might say, oh, yeah, yeah,
I mean I'm totally I'm totally been critical of this,
but also I like I totally respect how this show
I like had such a big impact on like it
was one of the first shows I like really talked
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about sex and sectuality for like women, right women, and
the fact that they had choices. Yeah, that's that would
begin a whole new conversation of like living. Of course,
it's very privileged people who are having these choices, and
that's a different conversation in itself. But yeah, it's like
having a moment of free in knowing that just because
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you do like sex doesn't make you a bad person,
and just because it doesn't mean marriage, which is not
a bad thing. This is the quite a beginning, especially
in the nineties, after all the sitcoms were differently like
the Wholesome Family sitcoms, and then you had this on HBO.
So you know, yeah, I definitely did a lot of markers.
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Is it still problematic, yes, yes, yes, and we have
to talk about that. But it did open some doors
for sure in this topic and conversation. Yeah, yeah, you
should come back, Joey. I'm so fun. I have seen
it and it's just fun to be like, look at
this nineties Like I usually I'm the one that's like,
look at that Godzilla nineteen ninety eight poster. Here's a
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hard two and it's only gonna keep growing. And I'm
so excited that you are able to come on. Joey.
We definitely need you to back be back on. We
need Christina back on. We haven't had Maya yet. You
gotta have them. Maybe we should do as a whoping panel.
I don't know how much of them a mess fun,
but it would be a whole thing. Christina's like, I'll
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never edit this Elber. That's just for our own benefit.
We never published it. It's just take it out having fun.
Kind of my excuse. But yes, thank you for coming on.
I hope you enjoyed it as Yeah I did. I did. Yeah,
I would totally totally come out of God for they
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got a winner. Yes, well I'm gonna say I got
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Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm walking to Steph.
I never told your protection of iHeartRadio and we're back
with our Happy Hour edition of Sex in the City,
Viewing of Times, Party Times. I keep messing these intros up,
(00:27):
but I'm gonna go with it because I feel like
that's the spontaneity of it all. And today we're so
excited because we're gonna have collaborator friend all the things
of the show. Joey Yay. Hello. All right now I
need to ask, although I know the answer, but you
need to tell our listeners how familiar are you with
(00:49):
Sex in the City. So I'm not super familiar. It
was it was a little, a little before my time,
so just a little. But I know my mom watched it.
I think my sister only my little sisters are there too.
I'm sorry, but I also do. I was. I live
(01:17):
in New York and I went to college in New
York and like all live my momice for ends when
I was moving out to New York. We're like, you
need to watch this, and I was like yeah, and
then I didn't. I will say I have had one
sided beat with Sarah Jessica Parker since I was a
kid because my initials are also s JAP Joey's for
(01:40):
my middle name, and all of the SJAP social media
handles were taking my Sarah Jessica Parker and I was
really mad about that when I was like first getting
on Twitter. Um, but yeah, I'm excited excited to watch
I've seen like clips here and there, you know, I like,
it's hard to like avoid it, but I'm excited to
(02:00):
watch my first full episode of Sex and the City.
When you're in for a treat, and this one is interesting. Yeah,
so go ahead and put a little warning at the beginning,
as per usual with all of these episodes, and as
you heard from Joey, yes, their mom watched it, So
let's just go ahead and say that. And with that,
some of the content and topics, of course, is outdated,
(02:22):
and so we're gonna come back and talk about it,
because you know, we never scart away from the issues
with the show, because we would like to talk about
the good, the bad, and ugly and the wonderful. So
we will definitely address any of those things beforehand. And
as per usual, we have to have a review from
the wonderful Annie Reese. Please give us a quick review
of what has been happening in the world of Sex
(02:44):
in the City. Well, this is so fun because I
too have never seen sex in the City, but obviously
I've been here for all the episodes prior to this,
which there are ninety four episodes Joey just so you know,
and three movies and then another many not mini series anymore. Yeah,
there's a lot of content. So I've been thinking about this.
(03:07):
I feel like normally I just give a very haphazard
review of the last episode, but I will tell you
it's four friends and they're having high jinks. In the
relationship world in New York, there is usually a club
scene or restaurants in her boat. But you've got Charlotte
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who's trying to find the one and just never does
and works in the art world, sort of if you're
like more conservative. I wouldn't say she's like conservative, but
like of them, she wants to get married. She has
dated some interesting characters though, like an actor who really
had no brains recently. And then you've got Samantha, who
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is the one that's like, oh, I just want to
have sex, I feel comfortable in my body, like all
that stuff. And then you've got Miranda who's sort of
your like single woman in an apartment, has a good
job as a lawyer, but she has met her dude
that people who have seen the show know about Steve,
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and they're trying to negotiate like a she banks more
money than him, and that was the whole thing. And
they have different schedules because he's a bartend. There's that
was the whole thing. And then you've got Kerry, who
is your main character, who has met Big, who is
her on and again off again dude. And they've had
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a lot of conversations around like religion and marriage and
what they want and is he actually a douchebag all
those kinds of things. At the heart of it is
their friendship, the friendship of these four characters. And that's
about where we are is We've got Miranda with Steve
trying to figure out money things. They just broke up.
(04:55):
Oh yeah, they just broke up, but over kind of
money is okay, Charlotte not finding the one, Samantha doing
her thing, and then Carrie was Big and they continue
to have these big relationship conversations. Very nice, what a
(05:16):
good succinct summary. So now you know Joey where we're
at a little bit um because this is a happy hour.
We maybe may or may not be drinking on some cocktails.
Anybody drinking anything special? What you got? Annie? Red wine?
Every time? Every time? I am keeping it low key
with my bubbly water, very bubbled it. Maybe the head
(05:40):
water that we recently were given. I don't know what
about you. I was originally flat at having red wine.
But I'm still on my coffee from this morning, so
I'm gonna stick to it. Finishing my coffee right, Yeah,
I'm drinking coffee. Yes, little peak behind the curtains. It's
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not exactly happy our time for us, but you know
we're pretending right any times happy hour if you want
it to be h And just as a reminder, if
you know, just a reminder if you are drinking as
you're listening to this episode or whatever you're doing, be responsible. Technically,
those Streaks that we've talked about are not a current
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sponsor for this episode, though they may be sponsors throughout
who knows. Hey, So the title of this episode and
this is my favorite part, we're gonna give it to uh, well,
I'll let you get I'll tell you the episode and
then Joey, you can either take it or give it
to Annie first for the prediction, I'll let you decide.
But the title of this episode of season two, episode
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eleven is evolution. So anybody want to take a guess? Okay,
I'm right, I'm right. Have just given our conversation earlier,
because I know there is I think about one of them,
like quote, becoming a lesbian at one point or something.
I don't know if this is it, but I again
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using that in quotational rights. I don't know if I
yeah a terminology, but maybe it's that episode. I'm not
I'm not totally sure. I feel like there's gonna be
some like queerness though, Okay, this is my guess, right,
I like it. Annie always add in they go to
a club, go to the club, to right, probably probably
(07:37):
after the club post club. Okay, I feel like it's Oh.
I think that there's gotta be something about sort of
oh no, this is what happens to me, Joey, I
always get my head back. Okay. I think it's gotta
be you know, evolving outside of relationships to the next
relationship and or discussion and about how we have evolved
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in the terms of relationships and what we think is
a good relationship, bad relationship, or something else. Mm I
bet there'll be something with yeah, Rand and Steve and
just to talk about, like what do we even want?
(08:23):
What do we even want in this world? I like
the desperation towards the end in your prediction here, Annie like,
and that's a great question. What do we want? We want? Wow? Y'all? Yeah,
you guys hit it all over the place. I will say,
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they are definitely elements to what you're saying. Joey any Yeah,
you're passing. I think, Okay, we'll get into that at
the end. But yeah, let's go ahead. Let's go ahead
and start this episod. Actually I'm going off it. Are
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you trying to have a baby? No? No? I yes,
I sort of jumped the gun going on in the
first place because Steve, the guy that I went on
it for the first real relationship I've had in years,
is over. And I don't need a daily reminder that
I'm not having sex. So that's the story with the pill.
(09:39):
And I know the concept of the pill is a
little different, like I got on a ulate my system essentially, Yeah,
oh god, I'm not having sex? Do you just want
to yes or no, that's it. I don't even know why.
(10:05):
With big I think it's best to walk softly and
carry a big purse. Yes, she shouldn't leave anything there.
It's important to remain a creature of mystery. So talking
about leaving things behind at your partner's house to stake territory, which,
by the way, is a new TikTok trend, maybe not new,
a TikTok trend in which women who have stayed and
maybe even an over one night stand will leave things
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just in case they are having a relationship in light
about it and the other person can find it to
know that they were there. So what you're telling, how interesting?
But this is different obviously prove I've heard about it
more in terms of that's how you get the invite back.
It's like you lea so many different things this, this
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route has evolved in itself. It sounds like she's doing
it to stak territory. Then it's become something else altogether.
Then I want a T shirt that says I dated
a bartender and all I got was this lousy ovary.
It is funny hearing them talk about it. Or she's
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like the sperm has to jump over it. This sounds
like me as a kid trying to explore. I don't know,
maybe it's personal stuff, but I would be like great,
like less of a chance I can get partner Like
that sounds amazing. We're held different generation. Shut that down.
Immediately shut it down. He must be a gay straight
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man because he has Charlotte out for a second day,
unless he's a straight gay man in denial. But so,
Charlotte is now seeing a gay straight man who has
great taste in fashion and also well quote unquote her
or kill sir, nicer version. Wait. So is the implication though,
that he's closeted and he's trying to be straight or
(12:00):
maybe it's the opposite, in which he just feels more
able to be effeminate but is straight. That's the question. Okay.
Imagining Samantha with a broken heart was almost more confusing
to Charlotte than a French kiss from a gay man
ancient history. They just really in this And also as
(12:26):
a reminder, sex in the City really did not have spectrums.
They were hard line you're gay straight, and there was
not even like bisexuality. They didn't literally there's a line
later in episode saying that she didn't believe in that.
So it's kind of this whole conversation of like, yeah,
I think I've definitely seen that clip for then I
thought about it. I don't know, it's just just it's
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so funny, like the just the conversation that has changed
so much because I'm bisexual and I'm like I I'm
like most I don't know. I feel like most of
my friends are somewhere on the spectrum, ay right, I
don't know. Maybe it's just the people I'm around, but
it makes sense. Of course, like I as the older,
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I would definitely have grown with that because it to me,
I didn't know it was anything but the binary. But
then you're like, oh, yeah, that doesn't make sense. It
really doesn't make sense in me. Yeah, I will say
I think because I remember being in like high school,
and I was still like I don't know, Like I
feel like I didn't Bisexuality wasn't like a thing people
talked about until like I was in my late teens,
which is still, you know, pretty young. I love that. Still, yeah,
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it's definitely growth. Do you want me to leave socks here? Well?
Never mind what I want? What do you want? I
don't know. Let's save an hour. Why don't you just
tell me what I want? No? Really in your mind? Terrible,
terrible in relationship. It is funny how much if this
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is about how we don't really communicate well in relationships though,
And there's all these games we play, like power games,
and what is that. I have my place, you have yours.
We're together when we want to be, and we're apart
one we want to be like Woody and Mia really bad,
really bad, take really bad. That was like a gut
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right Wait what did he say? She said, like Woody
and Mia before Sunni, which is the adopted Do you
know the story of what you No? I don't think so?
Yeahs too. I was like, yeah before the adopted daughter. Yes, yeah,
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so I will say I did. I also would have
subscribed to the whole Separate but Together conversation. I loved
that aspect in my relationship previously. Don't get me wrong,
I love living with them now, but like there was
the safety in knowing it. I had my own space
that I had to take care of, and they had
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their home space that they had to take care of.
But because we were our neighbors, like I lived upstairs
he lived downstairs. It was a beautiful setup. So I
loved that. There's something true. Totally support that. Yeah, I
feel like that. I mean, if I left the hair
dryer at somebody's place, I'd have to get another hair dryer.
I'm not going to their apartment every time they use
(15:23):
the hair dryer. You as a minimalist for certain things, Yeah,
I was like, are you n I don't know, short hair,
I don't have as much makeup for all that I
think carried us. But right, just like umpires all the
(15:45):
things obviously, and she can afford it for some reason. Yeah,
all of a sudden it hit me that if the
other ovary shuts down, I'm out of business. So I've
started taking hormones and now I'm actually considering freezing my eggs.
(16:07):
Freezing your eggs, yeah, you know, like a fertility savings account.
I think it would take the pressure off I will say,
as getting older, and I'm like, I still don't know.
Maybe I had thought about should I freeze eggs? But
then I'm like, I don't think so that's a good idea.
What is all this reproductive technology doing for us? I mean,
do we want desperate women having babies? At fifty. Maybe
(16:30):
some people aren't supposed appropriate. Maybe this is the world's
way of weeding out the week, sweating out on a
date exactly designer sperm and he simulated wounds. Here's a
good idea. Why don't we just eliminate men all together? Yeah? Man,
(16:51):
who's doing crop rotation on his forehead? A little quickly,
I've been in this with the dude before, too. We
get of Yes, I'm like, sure, I didn't you get
(17:14):
a crop rotation is talking about natural selection and you're like,
wait what just people? Yeah. Also, it should be totally
cool to just have a conversation about your horribones, not
have someone freak out good morning, good morning, sleepy something smment.
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I really need to know if war women who have
had like one night stands or sleep women actually end
up wearing the dude's shirt the next day, because I'm like,
when do you judge a picture? What point? Yeah? What point?
Who does has done this? Unless it's on purpose? Because
you like, right, like when you start stealing your partners
(17:59):
stuff or are you borrowing it? Yeah? Sure borrowing tell
my partner that I don't think that his name is
(18:27):
big so much so the origination of that is that
the first episode, second episode, first episode of the show,
Sam knew him as the next big real estate person
and like the next big rich dude. So they talk
(18:48):
most of the times in references to like nicknames. So
that stuck for him unfortunately, because yeah, it's not great,
but he may be the only dude that it has
a nickname, because that's how when I was dating, I
would never give him a name. They would have some
type of nickname until like we were more official. Okay,
(19:13):
yeah that makes sense. Yeah, So like it could be
just because so much of dating and I was like
online dating, I was just like, oh, yeah, that hinge person. Yeah,
like the tender person. Yeah, I'll talk to my friends
about exactly. I think the tender person was one. Um.
I think I called one. The musician, I called one
like like so many different what was he. I still
(19:36):
don't know if he was telling me the truth, because
he told me he was something a capital investment dude,
and I was like, what does that mean. I still
think he might have been lying to be fair, because
he was like, I have a BMW, but it's in
the shop, and I was like, yeah, there's so many
things that I'm like this doesn't this doesn't head up.
(20:01):
But yeah, there you go. So Annie, you did talk
about evolving in their life. So I'll give you a thing.
They do mention Steve kind of, but not a lot.
They didn't go to a club. I'm sorry. They did
not go to a club. Oh yeah, actually they did.
They did go to a club. Yeah, you're right. I forgot.
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That's where the dominic isn't that club? You're right, So
there is a club scene, so I'll give you that.
There's definitely queer reference in like not being very evolved
in it, I guess at this point. So there you go.
I will give both of y'all points. I'll give you
a tie. Y'all did good. Y'all did good? Yeah you did.
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I think the mystery was the whole like, yeah, the
metrosexual dude coming into play, which is hilarious because that's
so gone. That term is gone now, right, Like that's
the smest when I'm very good friend who is a
straight man who regularly refers to himself as metrosexual, and
I make fun of him about it all the time,
and he's the only person I know that uses that,
(21:08):
Like I've heard in the past, like ten years the
word metrosexual. Yeah, yeah, it's not. Do they do it
seriously or jokingly? He says it seriously every time. I'm like,
I stop, but um yeah, he's also very very straight.
(21:28):
That's funny. I feel like, yeah, but I do think
like effeminate quote unquote, like straight man is becoming more
like normalized, you know, and like definitely through the like
I don't know, like the whole TikTok like thing and
all of that. Um yeah again, I'm also like, I'm
(21:50):
a queer person who is mostly friends with queer people,
and I feel like it's a different conversation. I don't know.
I definitely like like I can't imagine any of my
like your girlfriends being like, yeah, I'm not gonna date
this guy because he like acted to a feminine or two.
I feel like that's like a plus, Like that's why, Oh,
he's like more in touch with this emotion, right, Like
he gets like more you know, traditionally feminine things like
(22:14):
fashion or all of that. Like I feel like that's
a plus. Yeah, but I don't know. I love a
man who cooks. I love a man who can have
a conversation about feminism. That's wonderful. Yeah, legitimately and understanding it.
That's why I think K dramas are a big hit
right now because they are all about the sensitive man
slash some other things. But they do definitely are like
(22:35):
one of the lines and some of them was like
it's okay to cry. They keep saying that to each
other though. I think it's interesting, but there you go.
How do you feel about your first experience in watching
the full episode of Sex and the City, Joey, that
was fun? I definitely was not. I I feel like
I'm so used to like the really long after and
(22:56):
drawn out to shows out It's like, this is fun,
just kind of quick. But yeah, I definitely it was
an interesting experience. Was was expecting a lot of that
like nineties, like forty percent of the way there with
the sexual liberation. But yeah, it was good. It's fun.
(23:17):
I know there's I should have asked my My little
sister likes the show too, and I know there's like
one because everybody's always like I'm a like Miranda or Samantha.
There's one that she says reminds her of me. I
cannot remember when it was, though, I definitely want to
know now, so know that. I'm like, I feel like
I haven't Miranda maybe right, it's Miranda's the lawyer. Yes,
(23:38):
so she's a very straightforward sure, like no holes barred
type of person who, let you know, very very uh
they are for her friends and very loyal for sure.
So that sounds like very blunt. Yeah, but I'm definitely
gonna ask after those. Yeah, you should report No, definitely.
(24:00):
Oh yeah, I'll let you guys know. We've had to
do it. We should wait. Oh, we should have made
you do a quiz that we've done that before. We
should have made you do a quiz beforehand. We'll send
you one after the fact. We'll get we'll do a
short back. It's not going to be ever on and yeah,
in my realization, this episode was released before you were born.
So when was it? Nineteen ninety nine? Okay, I was
(24:23):
born at ninety nine. Okay, you were born. Wait, what
is your birthday? We don't know your birthday. You don't
have to announced it over a birth episode. Well, I'm
then cancer. It's in July. Okay, So, okay, you were
born right before the release of this episode. Yeah, because
this was done in August of nineteen ninety Okay, so
(24:44):
the yearn and I was going to college, it's okay, gosh,
I definitely it is funny to watch stuff that's said
in New York. Yeah, it was like right before everything
that's super super gentrified. I was like, oh my god,
(25:05):
I can't imagine like being like I don't I don't
think I know anybody who lives in Chelsea that's very
very expensive. Now, well, it's so funny. Is like I
think people want you to watch it to see as
if like it's going to be a setup for your life.
You're like, there's no way, to hell anyone lives this
life unless you are already rich, like you are born
(25:25):
rich and probably a part of a family that has
lived and has owned property in New York for the
past hundred years. You're not gonna ask that life. And
I was like, they have set all their apartments. They
have like an actual like like I'm in my bedroom
right now, and everything is very like you can see
my bedroom frame right now, because it's it's very compact.
(25:45):
I guess Carrie's department is probably the most because you
see the bedroom in the like the living room is connected,
it's not separate. And then they have a bathroom in
a kitchen, but still it was like, still, that's that's expensive,
because I think she lives in a brownstone or something.
You're like, nah, that's not a definitely thing for the
(26:07):
people who were just starting out. But yeah. There was
so much in this episode about evolution and growing, which
is quite funny because as we look back on it,
it is very outdated and what they think is being
evolved between the trope we let's let's name all the
tropes I was in there. Obviously the effeminate man being
gay versus also the women having to hurry up and
(26:30):
save their eggs or they're gonna be useless. What else?
What else? What are the other tropes we saw on
those There's so many good ones. Believing the shirt yeah,
the shirt, yeah, the territorial markets the thing, I feel
like that's always and yeah, but also the inability to
communicate so therefore you do things passive aggressively. Yeah. I
(26:57):
feel like the there was kind of a vibe with
Miranda the because she's the like business oriented one. She's
having this trouble with the lads of your wary um
where she's being punished for like putting her job first.
I've punished, but like the conversation being, oh, you put
your job first, here's the cost, which you know, there's
(27:20):
a there's a legitimate conversation you can have about that.
But it felt much more like, I guess I'll date this.
It implied douchebag that's been harassing her for would have
a baby, to possibly have a baby, which should possibly
have a baby. It's a whole thing throughout I will
say eventually, I'm just saying, Okay, let maybe you think
(27:43):
of I don't know if you guys watched like New
Girl at all, they had like a similar arc in
that with one of the characters. It was very odd,
and then she turned out to be able to have
tons of babies. Yeah, yeah, definitely not at that point
in my life yet. But I'm just very It's it's interesting.
I His reaction though, is definitely like I feel like
(28:06):
that's I don't. I also maybe this is me being
not even not interacting with straight mud as much, but
like I feel like I'm not that's not as shocking
any bore to be like, oh, like some people freeze
their eggs or like some people, you know, there's a
lot of modern medicine is great, Right, there's lots of
(28:26):
alternatives for you, because I get the whole like wanting
to be a relationship to have a kid. But at
the same time, I'm like, whenever this sort of trope
comes up, it was like the same with me, girl,
I was like, why I don't even look into like
just getting a sperm downer, Like like that's never part
of the conversation. It's like, if you want kids, it's
always coming and has to come with the man or
show like I don't know. Yeah, right, it was interesting.
(28:48):
It was it would It's definitely interesting. And at Lisa
couple them because the conversation starts out with a lesbian
couple going to treatment because they wanted to they want
a baby, and then all that stuff and like you
you only have a certain amount of time, let me
tell you this, but like it had to be a
couple committed, a couple before they even had that conversation.
And then yeah, CC who is the character goes into
(29:12):
like a dating spree, matchups free to find her perfect mate.
But yeah, I think it's interesting. But I know, we
haven't talked much about this. This didn't really get brought
up here, but the fact that with this anti reproductive
healthcare movement, it does push back on seagacy as well
as IVF treatments and such as that a little bit
(29:35):
a lot more than you would think, and it could
affect the laws. There's a lot of laws possibly undermining
any of those things in the future. But again, this
is where we go a little dark. I go there,
but there's yeah, there's a whole lot of stuff that's
not that we have to think on. But yeah, in
this episode, it meant turning into really bad choice of
(30:00):
men in order to be able to be a full woman.
I guess it's the idea. Yeah, And we've talked about
this before, Joey, but a lot of times at the
end of these it's it's kind of what would seem
like a frivolous thing in a lot of ways, but
it was very important when it came out, and like,
obviously we've come a long way, but well we'll talk
(30:21):
about the damn meaning of life at the end of
these sometimes, like we're still having these conversations, just kind
of differently more evolved. You might say, oh, yeah, yeah,
I mean I'm totally I'm totally been critical of this,
but also I like I totally respect how this show
I like had such a big impact on like it
was one of the first shows I like really talked
(30:41):
about sex and sectuality for like women, right women, and
the fact that they had choices. Yeah, that's that would
begin a whole new conversation of like living. Of course,
it's very privileged people who are having these choices, and
that's a different conversation in itself. But yeah, it's like
having a moment of free in knowing that just because
(31:02):
you do like sex doesn't make you a bad person,
and just because it doesn't mean marriage, which is not
a bad thing. This is the quite a beginning, especially
in the nineties, after all the sitcoms were differently like
the Wholesome Family sitcoms, and then you had this on HBO.
So you know, yeah, I definitely did a lot of markers.
(31:22):
Is it still problematic, yes, yes, yes, and we have
to talk about that. But it did open some doors
for sure in this topic and conversation. Yeah, yeah, you
should come back, Joey. I'm so fun. I have seen
it and it's just fun to be like, look at
this nineties Like I usually I'm the one that's like,
look at that Godzilla nineteen ninety eight poster. Here's a
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hard two and it's only gonna keep growing. And I'm
so excited that you are able to come on. Joey.
We definitely need you to back be back on. We
need Christina back on. We haven't had Maya yet. You
gotta have them. Maybe we should do as a whoping panel.
I don't know how much of them a mess fun,
but it would be a whole thing. Christina's like, I'll
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never edit this Elber. That's just for our own benefit.
We never published it. It's just take it out having fun.
Kind of my excuse. But yes, thank you for coming on.
I hope you enjoyed it as Yeah I did. I did. Yeah,
I would totally totally come out of God for they
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got a winner. Yes, well I'm gonna say I got
a gold star for this one. You too, Joey, thank you, Yes,
as always, thanks for joining us, Joey. Where can listens
fine too? Yeah, you can find me on Instagram or
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Twitter at pat not Pratt that is p A t
t n O T p r A t T yeah,
or follow the sminthy tech talk at stuff Mom never
told you on TikTok. Yeah, I'm also there. Yes, Joey
has been very kind and help us start that then
run it, and we have not forgotten about bringing a
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listener on. We promised we're keeping your names. They're in there.
This was actually Joey was helping us test our technology,
so thanks for that as well. But yes, yes, don't worry.
That is coming in the meantime. If you would like
to contact us, you can our emails stuff Edia Mom
Stuff at iheartmeta dot com. You can find us on
Twitter at momsa podcast, or on TikTok and Instagram at
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stuff Mom Never Told You Awesome. On YouTube, we have
a book coming out. Look that up. Thanks as always
too our superproducer Christina, our executive producer Maya, and to
Joey for all of your help. Yes, thank y'all, and
thanks to you for listening. Stuff One Never Told his
production of I Heart Radio from more podcast from my
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