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like bringing t J. Hushman's out on I was just
talking to him during the break. He works out with
all these players, so he was the one that a
year ago said, Justin Herbert is unbelievable, and he kept
saying it before the draft. He's like, I'm telling you,
ankles hips, shoulders. This guy throws huge, huge velocity. He
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can run so TJ was like, Justin Herbert is going
to blow you guys away. I think he loved Chase
Claypool too. Chase Claypool the receiver for the Steelers. So
we bring in t J. Hushman Zada eleven years in
the NFL. So you were just giving me some insight
into Zach Wilson that I did not know the quarterback
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from BYU. So give me the insight that I didn't
know this about him as an athlete. Oh, Zach is
a tremendous athlete. I'm talking put him on a basketball
court windmill dunks, if he had run the forty, I
pretty much to guarantee he would probably run mid to
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low four four at the worst. And just throwing a ball.
And I told you this during a break. It's almost
like he was born to be a quarterback. The way
the ball comes out of his hands. It's so easy,
real effortless and you and from his pro day he
kind of showed some of that, like this is just
easy for me, man, I was born to do this,
and I saw that on the field easy. You just
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some have said he's got kind of an Aaron Rodgers
feel where the ball just kind of you know, just
kind of squirts out, does it anybody he remind you of.
It's pretty much what you said. It's a flicker the risk.
And a lot of these guys they grew up idolizing
Aaron Rodgers, so they're gonna mimic what they've seen Aaron
Rodgers doing. And so when you watch Zack Wilson, the
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way he gets rid of the ball off platform throws
and just the way the ball releases, it kinda is
reminiscent of and Aaron Rodgers been, rightfully, So these kids
grew up looking up to him, wanting to be like him,
wanting to play like him. And so that's what you see,
and you just add your own little twist to it.
You also have seen and worked out with Justin Field,
who at his pro day yesterday and blue people away.
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Tell me about what you've seen when you've worked out
with him, what pressures you. I was I was very impressed.
I walked away like, Wow, Justin Fields is really good.
And I'll go back to a few routes that my
guys were running that he was throwing and John Beck
was telling him, there's no underneath the coverage. It's twenty
yard comeback. He's on the far hash, no, underneath the coverage.
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Perfect ball on a rope right there. Next throw, we
have a guy underneath it. He layered it, got the
ball over the top three with a great touch. Perfect throw.
But it was a different type of throw. But both
throws are perfect. So I walked away and yeah, it's
routes on the air and there's nobody, but it's receivers.
He's never really thrown too before and the touch was there,
and I walked away from that because I know he
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has a big one. I know he's athletic, but being
able to put touch on a ball, layer of the ball,
get it over underneath coverage, those are probably things people
didn't think he could do. What do you make of
these pro days? We're showing video? Did you have one?
What do you make of him? Oh? Everybody has a protay.
And I'll be honest, when you think about a pro day,
I actually like a pro day. And I'll give you
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a couple of reasons why. Number One, if you're serious
about your craft, you should improve a ton from the
time your college season ends until your pro day. A
lot of times that's three months, that's twelve weeks of
getting better physically and mentally understanding the game better. If
I go to a pro day and I'm a coach
and I feel a guy hasn't improved, I don't want
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that kid because he's taking this opportunity. For granted, I
know the guys that I work with from the first
day until they're Pro day, they're a different player. They're
not the same player that you watched on tape. So everybody, Oh,
I'm just going to evaluate tape. That's not the right
thing to do, because these kids are going to improve
physically and mentally, and so pro days. If you get
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with the right group of guys that know what they're doing,
that's going to train you the right way, you're gonna
prove a ton. You know the Cincinnati organization, well, they're
not very daring. The Brown family's conservative. They don't screw
around in the draft. They just sit and make their pick.
They don't make deals. And I look at them at
five so they're not going to take a quarterback. But
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they could get a Jamar Chase at wide receiver. They
could go offensive tackle. What is your knowing them and
Joe Burrow, what is your gut feeling on what that
organization does with that fifth pick that that is. That's
a tough question, Colin, And I'm a firm believer. Obviously
we all know that I was a receiver. So people
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would assume, oh, we got to draft Jamar Chase, especially
after he runs a four to three eight and jumps
forty one inches in a vertical and he shows that
type of explosiveness. But I understand the game of football.
Games are won and loss up front. If you can't
run the ball when you want to run the ball,
if you can't protect the quarterback when you need to
protect the quarterback, and vice versa, if you can't stop
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the run. And so I say that to say, if
I'm the Bengals and Joe was coming off an ACL tire,
you have to draft the lineman. You have to keep
him up right, you need to protect him. It's not
the sexy pick, but if you draft the right offensive lineman,
they're gonna play together ten years. You don't have to
worry about that position for ten years. You can turn
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around and draft the wide receiver in a second round,
maybe a Rondale Moore, who I believe probably will go
in the first round. But if he doesn't, the Bengals
would be very lucky to get a guy like him
in the second round, and so draft an offensive lineman
because that's where games are going to be won and loss. Yeah,
by the way, the Bengals also have a great pick
and round second, two, three, four, or five. That's a
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good thing about being bad. You get a great pick
in every round, not just the first. You're taking at
the top of the round every time. So they're gonna get,
you know, two of your first you know, like thirty seven,
thirty eight picks when you look at the Niners. So
I'll I'll throw you something. So they move up to
number three, Well, you don't move up there for anything
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other than quarterbacks. So I figure they've got one or
two guys they really like. They may not have the guy.
My gut is they got one or two guys. You know,
if Zach Wilson fall, they probably like Zach Wilson and
Justin Fields. They may just say, hey, we prefer one,
but we like both tray Lands. I don't know, or
do you believe when you move to three they have
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one guy they love. There's one quarterback they're gonna get Kylie.
When I first saw the trade, the first thing went
to my mind was, oh, they're drafting Zach Wilson. Robert
Sala he comes from San Francisco, he's now the New
York Jets head coach, and John lynches, Oh, we don't
know what they're gonna do, Yes, you do. In my
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opinion on it was they've told him we're probably gonna
draft a lineman, which obviously would leave San Francisco with
the third pick outside of Trevor Lawrence going one, you
can have your pick of the litter from quarterbacks. The
forty nine is are gonna take Zach Wilson. That was
my initial reaction. And then you see Zach Wilson's pro
Then he's this cat minced prospect and you have to
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draft him. So now I'll start second guessing myself what
I initially thought and say, Okay, maybe the Jets will
take Zach Wilson. And now if you see justin fields
pro they say, oh, forty nine is if you have
to take justin fields, that's not a bad consolation prize.
And so all these quarterbacks, you go back to twenty eighteen,
when Baker Mayfield goes one, is Sam Darnold goes three,
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and then you have Josh Hill and Josh Rosen and
then Lamar Jackson. The guys that get to the better
teams the better organizations are going to be the guys
that have the best career. And so if I make quarterback,
I want to go to I'm doing all I can
to get the Kyle Shanahan and the San Francisco forty
nine is because I believe I'm going to have success
with them. You know, it's interesting. So if you draft
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a quarterback with Jimmy Garoppolo, do you think you could
go to Garoppolo and say, listen, we're drafting somebody. Because
of your injuries, We're going to draft a quarterback we
cannot have. You know, Nick Mullin's quarterbacking and Jimmy, if
you're great, you can make the call you want to
stay with us or we can trade you at the deadline.
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And if the backups ready to go, how do you
make sure that Garoppolo isn't a mess upsta mean, Brady
freaked out when Garoppolo is there? How do you make
sure Garoppolo is not a mess emotionally? When you draft
a quarterback third, what do you what could you Bruce?
What could you say to him. I mean, you just
have to be very transparent. And I firmly believe that
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I had one coach my entire career position coach, and
that was Hugh Jackson. He was very transparent with all
of us, like Kylin Nola. He literally sat us down
one day and said, these five guys are making the team.
I was not part of the five. There's one spot left,
and there was like seven guys in that room. One
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of you guys are gonna get that spot. And I
just stood up and I was like, well, y'all out
to luck? Is this spot going to me? And I
like that transparency. It put pressure on you. And so
if I'm Kyle Shanahan and I'm just up front with
Jimmy you've been hurt, we can't rely on you. We
wish we could, but we have to protect the forty
nine ers. If you show that you can stay healthy,
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you put us in a tough situation. And if not,
this is why we're drafting a quarterback. Don't sugarcoat it,
don't don't don't coddle him. You gotta be honest with
him and transparently. He shouldn't know this. If your feelings
are hurt Oh, well, you have to stay healthy because
when healthy, you've done well, but you just haven't been
healthy long enough. You have to be honest with him
so he knows what he's getting himself into. Finally, you're
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a wide receiver in the NFL for eleven years. Of
all the wide receiver prospects, one you love, one you
think is overrated. Where do you land on him? Well,
I really like Jamar Chase. You just look at the
season that he had two years ago with Joe Burrows
a quarterback, and you look at what Justin Jefferson did
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in the league, and thats since Justin Jefferson was a
number two receiver on that LSU team that year, and
so that that's the obvious choice with me, Jamar Chase.
But it's two guys that I really like. They're both
small guys, but I believe that's where the NFL is
going now is Rondel Moore from Purdue and Elijah Moore
from Old Mins. Both of those dudes are separation machines.
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And when you can create separation the way they do,
you're just not going to cover them. You can't cover
neither one of them. They're smaller, but they are quick
they are fast, and they are a quarterbacks best friend.
Not a big radius and target to throw the ball,
but they're going to create a ton of separation and
make it real comfortable for a quarterback to throw them.
The ball knows this stuff. T J. Hushman Zada got
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a new podcast up on game check it out. Good
seeing you, buddy, I appreciate it. Take care of Colin YouTube. Joey,
Thank you guys. What's up everyone. It's me three time
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the news. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News.
(12:17):
So the Lakers and Dennis Shooter far apart on a
contract extension. Team reportedly offered him a max extension of
four years and eighty four million dollars, but he rejected it.
That's a lot of money for Dinner Shooter. That is
a lot of money. Shooter has said he wants to
be a Laker, but he also wants to see what
his options are on the market, and this sets him
up to be a free agent this summer, the supports
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from Brian Winhorse. Now, the details about the guaranteed money
and incentives of the deal are not known, so while
this could have been the offer, we don't know how
much of that money was guaranteed from the Lakers, so
that could be why he rejected it, and he reportedly
rejected it about a month ago. And then he was
obviously included in a trade offer for Kyle Lowry, which
would make sense if he was going to free eight
and see next year, so they would get nothing for him,
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and then they'd be in kind of a weird cap
situation with him as well if if this did play out.
So I don't you know, I don't think that the
Lakers are looking too much into the future. Dennis Shooter
has been a nice piece for them, so I think
they want to keep some continuity. But you know, obviously
the main focus for the Lakers right now is getting
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and Lebron back healthy and being healthy for the playoffs.
Shooter's a tough guy and can give you eighteen a night.
He's a great third scoring option. I like him. You know,
it just comes down. This is the situation where I
wonder if you're Lebron, where you're making seventy million dollars
a year on shoes, and I'm not here to tell
people to take pay cuts. Right you start looking around
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at what Brady's doing at forty three, and a lot
of it is he's just taking no money. And I
do look at it, and I think this is where
I think if Lebron, because Lebron's no longer just stacking cash,
He's way beyond that. We have taken pay cuts in
the past as well. They all took less money to
play together in Miami. I think I would take I
think i'd take a pay cut and get I would
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want more players. I think shrewder, you can't trust a
d for over about fifty games. Lebron's getting older. I
think you need two more players. I think Shrewder's one piece.
I think you need another good player. So Carson Wentz
is getting a fresh start with the Colts after a
rough ending with the Eagles. His quarterback coach in Philly,
Press Taylor, is now an assistant with the Colts. Taylor
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said the team approached him before trading Wentz and he
didn't hesitate in recommending that Indy make the move. He said,
that was a no brainer for me. I absolutely believe
in Carson Wentz as a player. Overall, I think this
was the best move for the Colts and the best
move for Carson Wentz. Yeah, he was three eight and
one as a starter last year, but you do have
to factor in that it was a really rough season
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for Philadelphia. They did bring in Jalen Hurtz, which was
kind of unexplainable if they were going to stick with
Carson Wentz. I just I think I'm fifty fifty on
how it all plays out, because I think a lot
of what happened with Carson Wentz was mental. And while
the Cults are a great situation, He's back with Frank Wright,
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they have a great offensive line, they have some good
pieces there, their solid organization. You can still be met
with adversity. You can still have a couple of key
injuries late in the season, you can still have things
go badly. And as we've seen with Carson Wentz, he
doesn't handle adversity particularly well. And none of the adversity
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that he dealt with in Philadelphia was really that far
out of the box. Like everyone, every player in the
league deals with what he dealt with in Philadelphia. At
some points now you can talk about how rough the
Philadelphia media is or the Philadelphia fans are and their expectations,
and you're not probably gonna have to deal with that
in Indiapolis. But it didn't work for you in Philadelphia,
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and now you're in a situation where it should work.
So he could still get some criticism, And how does
that all play out? Yeah, I mean I think it's
much chaotic organization. I think it's a friendlier, more joyful organization.
And I do think he gets a massive upgrade on
the old line. Yes, so I think he's gonna work.
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The degree in which he works is the question. He'll work.
It's just they'll win games. It's just because they're gonna
Frank Reich will have him. You know what, He'll have
him do is go back to the offense, which is
the one he's comfortable in, safer throws. You know a
lot of times in Philadelphia you were asking him to
make tough throws and their receivers got no separation. Where
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in Indianapolis you have Paris Campbell's a bolt of lightning,
and Michael Pittman and t Y Hilton. You have guys
that can separate, especially t Y in Paris. So I
just think he's gonna have easier throws to make and
more time to make them, and so I think he'll
succeed the level of which I have no idea yet. Well,
that's kind of my question. What are the expectations? What
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is the level of expect I said? If I said
Carson Wentz did twenty eight touchdowns and thirteen picks. Passer
rating was ninety four point eight, completion percentage sixty four,
I'd be like, I'm but how do they do as
a team? Eleven twelve seventeen games? Now twelve and five?
I mean again, they went a playoff game. Can't you
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see Carson Wentz leading the Colts to a Super Bowl? Yeah?
I can say I say this. I can see him
leading them to the conference championship, and if you're good
enough to get there, you're generally good enough to get
to a Super Bowl. So Bruce Arians showed off his
Super Bowl tattoo yesterday, and Tom Brady had some fun
with a tattoo of his own. He tweeted a picture
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with the image of Bruce Arians holding a beer during
the Super Bowl boat parade photoshopped onto his knee. He wrote,
looks great, coach. I decided to get one too. This
is obviously not real and a really interesting placement for
a tattoo in general, but I guess like they needed
to fit the photoshop in there. That's a really that
looks like a really painful place to get a tattoo. Yeah,
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a lot of bone and nerves in that area. But um,
I like that. I like that Tom Brady is having fun.
He's actually very good on Twitter's He is good on Twitter.
He is using social media the right way. I it's
just a different version of Tom overall. It's like a
real It really is a gift to to sports fans
that we're getting to see this version of Tom Brady.
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He is in New England and the Patriot Way and
pretty much hated for most of his time there, and
now he's at this like fun organization with boost Arians
drinking bud Lights, which I don't think his boost Arians
normal drink of choice. Yeah. I think he said he's
just he had to have a few pops because they
were on the boat. It's easier to drink beers on
a boat than it is a cocktail. Tampa is I
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lived there for two years. It is a loose town. Yeah,
I would say, yeah, it's definitely more loose than Ebor
City off at for Boston area. It's just a lot
of sun. It's not people aren't manic about their work.
I mean, Tampa is a place people who move. The
cost of living is good. Yeah, the relax in a
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nice little house, go to the beach, some cocktails. It's
around the boat. Boston is a place academically work, hedge funds.
M I t Boston. You wake up. It's intense. It's
an intense city. Tampa's very laid back in what it is.
It's San Diego, not as expensive. It's just Yeah, you
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don't move to San Diego to to be a grinder
or and dominate the world. But that's that's naturally. Who
Tom Brady is. That's why I think it's such an
interesting fit. And when you look at how it all worked,
it makes sense because he brings that attitude to a
place that is more relaxed and it kind of all
fit perfectly, especially at this point in his career. Good stuff,
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Joy with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping the herdline news. Antonio Daniels is not happy
with me because I suggested Zion maybe better served four
years with the Pelicans and just get out of there.
Don't take the super max. So don't take that max.
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Every player's always done it, but there's going to be
a player that's not going to do it, and I
think Zion could be the first because he's gonna make
so much shoe money that he doesn't need that. Be
sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays and
newon Easter not a Empacific. What's up everyone, It's me,
three time NFL All Pro Sean Marie and I have
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(20:25):
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ever done it on a field or to track. So
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NASCAR Cup Series champion, the Lights Out Podcast will bring
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played for almost a decade and a half at a
high level. Antonio Daniels has become a great broadcast or
I bring him on five six times a year. He's
now with the Pelicans and Zion and a couple of
days ago, I suggested that Zions made so much money
in endorsements. He's so likable, so dynamic as a kid,
that he's not going to need to necessarily resign with
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the first team that drafted him. Now, every player always
has because it's the max money. You can make tens
of millions of dollars. When I suggested with his injury history,
he may just want to go move to a winning team,
be a piece, make his money with shoes. Antony o'daniel's
a broadcaster for the team. Not in love with that
comment now joins me live. I don't know, I thought
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it was a reasonable comment. You did not. You did
not think it was reasonable. Why, Well, here's my question.
Why are we even talking about a young man that
is yet to play seventy games going to play elsewhere?
First and foremost, because he's playing in New Orleans. That's
why we're talking about this. If he was playing somewhere else,
if he is playing in La or if he is
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playing in New York, we would not be having this conversation.
And when we talk about him in the future going
to play somewhere else, what we are forgetting is what
David Griffin and Trason Langdon have put together here. Now,
as far as the futurist concerned, I'll tell you this, Colin.
I just had a one on one with Zion about
twenty minutes ago, and one of the things he said
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was the same thing that Lonzo Ball said. So when
you talk about Kyra Lewis being nineteen years old and
Jackson Hayes being twenty and Zion being twenty, and Lonzo
Ball and Brandon Ingram who's an All Star, and jos
Hart who's twenty six years old, so when you talk
about that, as far as the futurists concerned, why are
we talking about going to play elsewhere, Like the future
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for the New Orleans Pelicans right now isn't a bright one. Well,
there's still a game and a half out of a
playing game. So I think there's some frustration that they're talented,
but veterans win in this league. They're young kids and
their years away. That's I mean, I look at them
and I think they're fun, but they're not a title
contender for years is of course? Of course that's fair
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because again we're talking about a Zion Williamson as yet
to play seventy games, and what we're doing is we
are throwing expectations on youth and experience that they don't
deserve yet. This team shouldn't be talking about titles right now.
They should be talking about development right now, which is
exactly what David Griffin is doing. He is putting together
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a young team organically with good drafts, drafting to kill
Alexander Walker, drafting Kyra Lewis, drafting Jackson Hayes, Zion Williamson,
and then getting the brandon ingram to Josh Harts and
Alonzo Balls in the ad deal. So no, you shouldn't
be talking about a championship right now. But realistically, how
many teams in this league are talking about a championship
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right now? This is not their championship window. This is
a time for them to grow together, to learn together,
and to lose to a certain extent. But let's see
if we're having this same discussion three or four years
down the line, when these guys are more experienced. Okay,
So let's say they don't make the playoffs this year
and then next year they don't take a big leap
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and they're a one and donner. When do you, Antonio
Daniels get impatient and go, okay, we got to make
a move here, or Zion's gonna consider leaving us. Okay, So,
now here's the thing, Colin. Just as hypothetical as you
can say, what if they don't make the playoffs this year,
and what if they don't make the league next year?
What if they do make the playoffs this year and
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they do make the playoffs next year, That's the question
I'll ask you. Then I think Zion's going to be
really happy. But that puts a lot of pressure because
he is so great and so well compensated in endorsements
that there is the sense that he doesn't you know,
one of these young players is eventually not going to
sign with their team that drafted him. Somebody's going to
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do it because the money is now so great. Don't
you think there is a little institutional pressure that by
next year, if they're not winning, to maybe make a
deal to get WS. Well, I mean the thing is,
you can say that abugs all the young teams in
this league. So when we talk about why isn't why
isn't this guy playing in bigger market, why didn't you say, well,
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what about John Morant? We're not talking about him going
to play a bit. But I don't think I don't
think John Morant is a face of a league player.
I think John Morant's great a zion to me is
the face of the league. Okay, And why can't he
beat that face of the league here in New Orleans?
You just said it. So if we look at bigger markets,
so to speak, right, if we look at bigger markets,
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you just said it. He has a two case sponsorship,
he has a Gatorade endorsement, he has a Brand Jordan endorsement.
And this team, meaning the Pelicans, is second as far
as national TV games are concerned, one game behind the Lakers.
So what is there to offer that he's not getting
here right now? It's my question, Well, wins, that's wins.
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I worried that they're twenty. Well, he's twenty years old, Colin,
and he's only played in sixty eight games. If we're
talking about winning now, there are a lot of teams
out there that you can say, oh, well, you know what,
maybe this guy or maybe that guy. We are talking
about a young man that is twenty years old and
that's played in sixty eight career games in three different stints.
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So last year, remember when he first started playing, he
was under a minute restriction. Then March eleventh came the
season with postpone. Okay, then you go to the bubble,
then he has to leave the bubble for a family emergency,
then he comes back. Now we start this season of Remember,
it's amazing to me how much the narrative around this
young man has changed. Remember last year when everybody's like, oh,
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you know what, he's over hyped, or why are they
playing on national TV all the time, or maybe he's
not all about the hype. And now the narrative has
changed to, oh, well, maybe this young man is special
and the moment that people start to figure out what
we have talked about from day one of training camp,
that he is one of one in the history of
the sport. Now we want to say, oh, let's move
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into a bigger market. That's not fair to the fan
base of New Orleans or Zion Williamson and his teammates.
What That's why I'm so passionate about this team. What
is he like as a kid? What is he like
as a potastic fantastic And that's the thing. So last year,
when he was going through all the scrutiny about being
injured and about this and about that, if people understood
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the young man and the heart that he has, the
humbleness that he came into this league with and that
he still possesses today. And the interviewer I had with
him earlier today, it was all smiles, it was all
last He's incredibly humble and he is a joyful young
man to be around. He's fantastic. Some people say he
should be your one and Brandon Ingram should be the two.
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Do you worry about that dynamic? I don't. I don't
because the thing is they'll figure it out. There's some
nights where be I will be forced to close. They're
ether nice because of zion skill set and his ability
to dominate in so many facies of the game where
he'll be the closer begin It's interesting when you're in
this kind of market, how narratives are thrown out there
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to try and splinter this team apart, Oh, who's the
number one and who's the number two? You know what,
they will figure it out without our help. By the way,
I did release my list yesterday. If my guys have
it in graphics, I said, if you ask me the
five guys in a five year window to start a
franchise with. I picked Zion over Luca because I think
there's a merchandising angle. I also think he gets your
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best bigs in foul trouble, where I think Luca maybe
the better peer scored, but I think the efficiency, his
physical dynamic, he fouls out your bigs. You can He's
a merchandiser's dream, Luca Zion. I mean, do you worry
all about that? We got an a minute left. Only
thing I worry about is injuries. Do you ever get
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worried about that? I don't right now. I'm not at
that point because he hasn't given me a reason to
you know, earlier last week he put up seventy seven
points in seventy two minutes on back to back nine
and again so with shooting sixty five sixty seven percent
from the field. So I get the thought process around
some of this. But what we're seeing with the startup
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of this NBA season, there is no minutes restriction. People
used to hold that against him. He hasn't been injured.
People used to hold that against him. He's playing him
back to backs. People used to hold that against him.
What he's doing is he's blowing through everything that everybody
used to throw against him. And you know what he's doing.
He's doing it quietly. He's doing it humbly, without saying
a word. He is humbly dominating this league right now.
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And he is truly a blessing to cover. I like
your passion. You're really good today. I like that. You know,
I figured out the key to you is to tick
you off. If I tick you off, all they'll bring
you on. You got a law motor, you know. I
was told Colin KEI bring in your passion. That's how
you're going to make your mark. That's all I know.
And I tell you one thing I'm a passionate about.
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I'm passionate about this New Orleans Pelicans basketball team and
this awesome fan base. Good seeing you, buddy. Love your work,
Antonio Daniels. Appreciate your brother. He is passionate. I love him.
He's just funny, gets right after it. Yeah, I tell you.
That's the one thing about Zion Man. His efficiency. It's like,
nothing like unbelievable. He's one of one. There's nothing like it.
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like bringing t J. Hushman's out on I was just
talking to him during the break. He works out with
all these players, so he was the one that a
year ago said, Justin Herbert is unbelievable, and he kept
saying it before the draft. He's like, I'm telling you,
ankles hips, shoulders. This guy throws huge, huge velocity. He
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can run so TJ was like, Justin Herbert is going
to blow you guys away. I think he loved Chase
Claypool too. Chase Claypool the receiver for the Steelers. So
we bring in t J. Hushman Zada eleven years in
the NFL. So you were just giving me some insight
into Zach Wilson that I did not know the quarterback
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from BYU. So give me the insight that I didn't
know this about him as an athlete. Oh, Zach is
a tremendous athlete. I'm talking put him on a basketball
court windmill dunks, if he had run the forty, I
pretty much to guarantee he would probably run mid to
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low four four at the worst. And just throwing a ball.
And I told you this during a break. It's almost
like he was born to be a quarterback. The way
the ball comes out of his hands. It's so easy,
real effortless and you and from his pro day he
kind of showed some of that, like this is just
easy for me, man, I was born to do this,
and I saw that on the field easy. You just
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some have said he's got kind of an Aaron Rodgers
feel where the ball just kind of you know, just
kind of squirts out, does it anybody he remind you of.
It's pretty much what you said. It's a flicker the risk.
And a lot of these guys they grew up idolizing
Aaron Rodgers, so they're gonna mimic what they've seen Aaron
Rodgers doing. And so when you watch Zack Wilson, the
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way he gets rid of the ball off platform throws
and just the way the ball releases, it kinda is
reminiscent of and Aaron Rodgers been, rightfully, So these kids
grew up looking up to him, wanting to be like him,
wanting to play like him. And so that's what you see,
and you just add your own little twist to it.
You also have seen and worked out with Justin Field,
who at his pro day yesterday and blue people away.
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Tell me about what you've seen when you've worked out
with him, what pressures you. I was I was very impressed.
I walked away like, Wow, Justin Fields is really good.
And I'll go back to a few routes that my
guys were running that he was throwing and John Beck
was telling him, there's no underneath the coverage. It's twenty
yard comeback. He's on the far hash, no, underneath the coverage.
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Perfect ball on a rope right there. Next throw, we
have a guy underneath it. He layered it, got the
ball over the top three with a great touch. Perfect throw.
But it was a different type of throw. But both
throws are perfect. So I walked away and yeah, it's
routes on the air and there's nobody, but it's receivers.
He's never really thrown too before and the touch was there,
and I walked away from that because I know he
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has a big one. I know he's athletic, but being
able to put touch on a ball, layer of the ball,
get it over underneath coverage, those are probably things people
didn't think he could do. What do you make of
these pro days? We're showing video? Did you have one?
What do you make of him? Oh? Everybody has a protay.
And I'll be honest, when you think about a pro day,
I actually like a pro day. And I'll give you
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a couple of reasons why. Number One, if you're serious
about your craft, you should improve a ton from the
time your college season ends until your pro day. A
lot of times that's three months, that's twelve weeks of
getting better physically and mentally understanding the game better. If
I go to a pro day and I'm a coach
and I feel a guy hasn't improved, I don't want
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that kid because he's taking this opportunity. For granted, I
know the guys that I work with from the first
day until they're Pro day, they're a different player. They're
not the same player that you watched on tape. So everybody, Oh,
I'm just going to evaluate tape. That's not the right
thing to do, because these kids are going to improve
physically and mentally, and so pro days. If you get
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with the right group of guys that know what they're doing,
that's going to train you the right way, you're gonna
prove a ton. You know the Cincinnati organization, well, they're
not very daring. The Brown family's conservative. They don't screw
around in the draft. They just sit and make their pick.
They don't make deals. And I look at them at
five so they're not going to take a quarterback. But
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they could get a Jamar Chase at wide receiver. They
could go offensive tackle. What is your knowing them and
Joe Burrow, what is your gut feeling on what that
organization does with that fifth pick that that is. That's
a tough question, Colin, And I'm a firm believer. Obviously
we all know that I was a receiver. So people
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would assume, oh, we got to draft Jamar Chase, especially
after he runs a four to three eight and jumps
forty one inches in a vertical and he shows that
type of explosiveness. But I understand the game of football.
Games are won and loss up front. If you can't
run the ball when you want to run the ball,
if you can't protect the quarterback when you need to
protect the quarterback, and vice versa, if you can't stop
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the run. And so I say that to say, if
I'm the Bengals and Joe was coming off an ACL tire,
you have to draft the lineman. You have to keep
him up right, you need to protect him. It's not
the sexy pick, but if you draft the right offensive lineman,
they're gonna play together ten years. You don't have to
worry about that position for ten years. You can turn
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around and draft the wide receiver in a second round,
maybe a Rondale Moore, who I believe probably will go
in the first round. But if he doesn't, the Bengals
would be very lucky to get a guy like him
in the second round, and so draft an offensive lineman
because that's where games are going to be won and loss. Yeah,
by the way, the Bengals also have a great pick
and round second, two, three, four, or five. That's a
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good thing about being bad. You get a great pick
in every round, not just the first. You're taking at
the top of the round every time. So they're gonna get,
you know, two of your first you know, like thirty seven,
thirty eight picks when you look at the Niners. So
I'll I'll throw you something. So they move up to
number three, Well, you don't move up there for anything
(06:52):
other than quarterbacks. So I figure they've got one or
two guys they really like. They may not have the guy.
My gut is they got one or two guys. You know,
if Zach Wilson fall, they probably like Zach Wilson and
Justin Fields. They may just say, hey, we prefer one,
but we like both tray Lands. I don't know, or
do you believe when you move to three they have
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one guy they love. There's one quarterback they're gonna get Kylie.
When I first saw the trade, the first thing went
to my mind was, oh, they're drafting Zach Wilson. Robert
Sala he comes from San Francisco, he's now the New
York Jets head coach, and John lynches, Oh, we don't
know what they're gonna do, Yes, you do. In my
(07:34):
opinion on it was they've told him we're probably gonna
draft a lineman, which obviously would leave San Francisco with
the third pick outside of Trevor Lawrence going one, you
can have your pick of the litter from quarterbacks. The
forty nine is are gonna take Zach Wilson. That was
my initial reaction. And then you see Zach Wilson's pro
Then he's this cat minced prospect and you have to
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draft him. So now I'll start second guessing myself what
I initially thought and say, Okay, maybe the Jets will
take Zach Wilson. And now if you see justin fields
pro they say, oh, forty nine is if you have
to take justin fields, that's not a bad consolation prize.
And so all these quarterbacks, you go back to twenty eighteen,
when Baker Mayfield goes one, is Sam Darnold goes three,
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and then you have Josh Hill and Josh Rosen and
then Lamar Jackson. The guys that get to the better
teams the better organizations are going to be the guys
that have the best career. And so if I make quarterback,
I want to go to I'm doing all I can
to get the Kyle Shanahan and the San Francisco forty
nine is because I believe I'm going to have success
with them. You know, it's interesting. So if you draft
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a quarterback with Jimmy Garoppolo, do you think you could
go to Garoppolo and say, listen, we're drafting somebody. Because
of your injuries, We're going to draft a quarterback we
cannot have. You know, Nick Mullin's quarterbacking and Jimmy, if
you're great, you can make the call you want to
stay with us or we can trade you at the deadline.
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And if the backups ready to go, how do you
make sure that Garoppolo isn't a mess upsta mean, Brady
freaked out when Garoppolo is there? How do you make
sure Garoppolo is not a mess emotionally? When you draft
a quarterback third, what do you what could you Bruce?
What could you say to him. I mean, you just
have to be very transparent. And I firmly believe that
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I had one coach my entire career position coach, and
that was Hugh Jackson. He was very transparent with all
of us, like Kylin Nola. He literally sat us down
one day and said, these five guys are making the team.
I was not part of the five. There's one spot left,
and there was like seven guys in that room. One
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of you guys are gonna get that spot. And I
just stood up and I was like, well, y'all out
to luck? Is this spot going to me? And I
like that transparency. It put pressure on you. And so
if I'm Kyle Shanahan and I'm just up front with
Jimmy you've been hurt, we can't rely on you. We
wish we could, but we have to protect the forty
nine ers. If you show that you can stay healthy,
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you put us in a tough situation. And if not,
this is why we're drafting a quarterback. Don't sugarcoat it,
don't don't don't coddle him. You gotta be honest with
him and transparently. He shouldn't know this. If your feelings
are hurt Oh, well, you have to stay healthy because
when healthy, you've done well, but you just haven't been
healthy long enough. You have to be honest with him
so he knows what he's getting himself into. Finally, you're
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a wide receiver in the NFL for eleven years. Of
all the wide receiver prospects, one you love, one you
think is overrated. Where do you land on him? Well,
I really like Jamar Chase. You just look at the
season that he had two years ago with Joe Burrows
a quarterback, and you look at what Justin Jefferson did
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in the league, and thats since Justin Jefferson was a
number two receiver on that LSU team that year, and
so that that's the obvious choice with me, Jamar Chase.
But it's two guys that I really like. They're both
small guys, but I believe that's where the NFL is
going now is Rondel Moore from Purdue and Elijah Moore
from Old Mins. Both of those dudes are separation machines.
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And when you can create separation the way they do,
you're just not going to cover them. You can't cover
neither one of them. They're smaller, but they are quick
they are fast, and they are a quarterbacks best friend.
Not a big radius and target to throw the ball,
but they're going to create a ton of separation and
make it real comfortable for a quarterback to throw them.
The ball knows this stuff. T J. Hushman Zada got
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a new podcast up on game check it out. Good
seeing you, buddy, I appreciate it. Take care of Colin YouTube. Joey,
Thank you guys. What's up everyone. It's me three time
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(11:53):
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the news. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News.
(12:17):
So the Lakers and Dennis Shooter far apart on a
contract extension. Team reportedly offered him a max extension of
four years and eighty four million dollars, but he rejected it.
That's a lot of money for Dinner Shooter. That is
a lot of money. Shooter has said he wants to
be a Laker, but he also wants to see what
his options are on the market, and this sets him
up to be a free agent this summer, the supports
(12:40):
from Brian Winhorse. Now, the details about the guaranteed money
and incentives of the deal are not known, so while
this could have been the offer, we don't know how
much of that money was guaranteed from the Lakers, so
that could be why he rejected it, and he reportedly
rejected it about a month ago. And then he was
obviously included in a trade offer for Kyle Lowry, which
would make sense if he was going to free eight
and see next year, so they would get nothing for him,
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and then they'd be in kind of a weird cap
situation with him as well if if this did play out.
So I don't you know, I don't think that the
Lakers are looking too much into the future. Dennis Shooter
has been a nice piece for them, so I think
they want to keep some continuity. But you know, obviously
the main focus for the Lakers right now is getting
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and Lebron back healthy and being healthy for the playoffs.
Shooter's a tough guy and can give you eighteen a night.
He's a great third scoring option. I like him. You know,
it just comes down. This is the situation where I
wonder if you're Lebron, where you're making seventy million dollars
a year on shoes, and I'm not here to tell
people to take pay cuts. Right you start looking around
(13:45):
at what Brady's doing at forty three, and a lot
of it is he's just taking no money. And I
do look at it, and I think this is where
I think if Lebron, because Lebron's no longer just stacking cash,
He's way beyond that. We have taken pay cuts in
the past as well. They all took less money to
play together in Miami. I think I would take I
think i'd take a pay cut and get I would
(14:05):
want more players. I think shrewder, you can't trust a
d for over about fifty games. Lebron's getting older. I
think you need two more players. I think Shrewder's one piece.
I think you need another good player. So Carson Wentz
is getting a fresh start with the Colts after a
rough ending with the Eagles. His quarterback coach in Philly,
Press Taylor, is now an assistant with the Colts. Taylor
(14:26):
said the team approached him before trading Wentz and he
didn't hesitate in recommending that Indy make the move. He said,
that was a no brainer for me. I absolutely believe
in Carson Wentz as a player. Overall, I think this
was the best move for the Colts and the best
move for Carson Wentz. Yeah, he was three eight and
one as a starter last year, but you do have
to factor in that it was a really rough season
(14:48):
for Philadelphia. They did bring in Jalen Hurtz, which was
kind of unexplainable if they were going to stick with
Carson Wentz. I just I think I'm fifty fifty on
how it all plays out, because I think a lot
of what happened with Carson Wentz was mental. And while
the Cults are a great situation, He's back with Frank Wright,
(15:08):
they have a great offensive line, they have some good
pieces there, their solid organization. You can still be met
with adversity. You can still have a couple of key
injuries late in the season, you can still have things
go badly. And as we've seen with Carson Wentz, he
doesn't handle adversity particularly well. And none of the adversity
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that he dealt with in Philadelphia was really that far
out of the box. Like everyone, every player in the
league deals with what he dealt with in Philadelphia. At
some points now you can talk about how rough the
Philadelphia media is or the Philadelphia fans are and their expectations,
and you're not probably gonna have to deal with that
in Indiapolis. But it didn't work for you in Philadelphia,
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and now you're in a situation where it should work.
So he could still get some criticism, And how does
that all play out? Yeah, I mean I think it's
much chaotic organization. I think it's a friendlier, more joyful organization.
And I do think he gets a massive upgrade on
the old line. Yes, so I think he's gonna work.
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The degree in which he works is the question. He'll work.
It's just they'll win games. It's just because they're gonna
Frank Reich will have him. You know what, He'll have
him do is go back to the offense, which is
the one he's comfortable in, safer throws. You know a
lot of times in Philadelphia you were asking him to
make tough throws and their receivers got no separation. Where
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in Indianapolis you have Paris Campbell's a bolt of lightning,
and Michael Pittman and t Y Hilton. You have guys
that can separate, especially t Y in Paris. So I
just think he's gonna have easier throws to make and
more time to make them, and so I think he'll
succeed the level of which I have no idea yet. Well,
that's kind of my question. What are the expectations? What
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is the level of expect I said? If I said
Carson Wentz did twenty eight touchdowns and thirteen picks. Passer
rating was ninety four point eight, completion percentage sixty four,
I'd be like, I'm but how do they do as
a team? Eleven twelve seventeen games? Now twelve and five?
I mean again, they went a playoff game. Can't you
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see Carson Wentz leading the Colts to a Super Bowl? Yeah?
I can say I say this. I can see him
leading them to the conference championship, and if you're good
enough to get there, you're generally good enough to get
to a Super Bowl. So Bruce Arians showed off his
Super Bowl tattoo yesterday, and Tom Brady had some fun
with a tattoo of his own. He tweeted a picture
(17:40):
with the image of Bruce Arians holding a beer during
the Super Bowl boat parade photoshopped onto his knee. He wrote,
looks great, coach. I decided to get one too. This
is obviously not real and a really interesting placement for
a tattoo in general, but I guess like they needed
to fit the photoshop in there. That's a really that
looks like a really painful place to get a tattoo. Yeah,
(18:01):
a lot of bone and nerves in that area. But um,
I like that. I like that Tom Brady is having fun.
He's actually very good on Twitter's He is good on Twitter.
He is using social media the right way. I it's
just a different version of Tom overall. It's like a
real It really is a gift to to sports fans
that we're getting to see this version of Tom Brady.
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He is in New England and the Patriot Way and
pretty much hated for most of his time there, and
now he's at this like fun organization with boost Arians
drinking bud Lights, which I don't think his boost Arians
normal drink of choice. Yeah. I think he said he's
just he had to have a few pops because they
were on the boat. It's easier to drink beers on
a boat than it is a cocktail. Tampa is I
(18:43):
lived there for two years. It is a loose town. Yeah,
I would say, yeah, it's definitely more loose than Ebor
City off at for Boston area. It's just a lot
of sun. It's not people aren't manic about their work.
I mean, Tampa is a place people who move. The
cost of living is good. Yeah, the relax in a
(19:03):
nice little house, go to the beach, some cocktails. It's
around the boat. Boston is a place academically work, hedge funds.
M I t Boston. You wake up. It's intense. It's
an intense city. Tampa's very laid back in what it is.
It's San Diego, not as expensive. It's just Yeah, you
(19:23):
don't move to San Diego to to be a grinder
or and dominate the world. But that's that's naturally. Who
Tom Brady is. That's why I think it's such an
interesting fit. And when you look at how it all worked,
it makes sense because he brings that attitude to a
place that is more relaxed and it kind of all
fit perfectly, especially at this point in his career. Good stuff,
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Joy with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping the herdline news. Antonio Daniels is not happy
with me because I suggested Zion maybe better served four
years with the Pelicans and just get out of there.
Don't take the super max. So don't take that max.
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Every player's always done it, but there's going to be
a player that's not going to do it, and I
think Zion could be the first because he's gonna make
so much shoe money that he doesn't need that. Be
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(20:25):
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(20:48):
played for almost a decade and a half at a
high level. Antonio Daniels has become a great broadcast or
I bring him on five six times a year. He's
now with the Pelicans and Zion and a couple of
days ago, I suggested that Zions made so much money
in endorsements. He's so likable, so dynamic as a kid,
that he's not going to need to necessarily resign with
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the first team that drafted him. Now, every player always
has because it's the max money. You can make tens
of millions of dollars. When I suggested with his injury history,
he may just want to go move to a winning team,
be a piece, make his money with shoes. Antony o'daniel's
a broadcaster for the team. Not in love with that
comment now joins me live. I don't know, I thought
(21:34):
it was a reasonable comment. You did not. You did
not think it was reasonable. Why, Well, here's my question.
Why are we even talking about a young man that
is yet to play seventy games going to play elsewhere?
First and foremost, because he's playing in New Orleans. That's
why we're talking about this. If he was playing somewhere else,
if he is playing in La or if he is
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playing in New York, we would not be having this conversation.
And when we talk about him in the future going
to play somewhere else, what we are forgetting is what
David Griffin and Trason Langdon have put together here. Now,
as far as the futurist concerned, I'll tell you this, Colin.
I just had a one on one with Zion about
twenty minutes ago, and one of the things he said
(22:17):
was the same thing that Lonzo Ball said. So when
you talk about Kyra Lewis being nineteen years old and
Jackson Hayes being twenty and Zion being twenty, and Lonzo
Ball and Brandon Ingram who's an All Star, and jos
Hart who's twenty six years old, so when you talk
about that, as far as the futurists concerned, why are
we talking about going to play elsewhere, Like the future
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for the New Orleans Pelicans right now isn't a bright one. Well,
there's still a game and a half out of a
playing game. So I think there's some frustration that they're talented,
but veterans win in this league. They're young kids and
their years away. That's I mean, I look at them
and I think they're fun, but they're not a title
contender for years is of course? Of course that's fair
(23:03):
because again we're talking about a Zion Williamson as yet
to play seventy games, and what we're doing is we
are throwing expectations on youth and experience that they don't
deserve yet. This team shouldn't be talking about titles right now.
They should be talking about development right now, which is
exactly what David Griffin is doing. He is putting together
(23:24):
a young team organically with good drafts, drafting to kill
Alexander Walker, drafting Kyra Lewis, drafting Jackson Hayes, Zion Williamson,
and then getting the brandon ingram to Josh Harts and
Alonzo Balls in the ad deal. So no, you shouldn't
be talking about a championship right now. But realistically, how
many teams in this league are talking about a championship
(23:46):
right now? This is not their championship window. This is
a time for them to grow together, to learn together,
and to lose to a certain extent. But let's see
if we're having this same discussion three or four years
down the line, when these guys are more experienced. Okay,
So let's say they don't make the playoffs this year
and then next year they don't take a big leap
(24:07):
and they're a one and donner. When do you, Antonio
Daniels get impatient and go, okay, we got to make
a move here, or Zion's gonna consider leaving us. Okay, So,
now here's the thing, Colin. Just as hypothetical as you
can say, what if they don't make the playoffs this year,
and what if they don't make the league next year?
What if they do make the playoffs this year and
(24:28):
they do make the playoffs next year, That's the question
I'll ask you. Then I think Zion's going to be
really happy. But that puts a lot of pressure because
he is so great and so well compensated in endorsements
that there is the sense that he doesn't you know,
one of these young players is eventually not going to
sign with their team that drafted him. Somebody's going to
(24:50):
do it because the money is now so great. Don't
you think there is a little institutional pressure that by
next year, if they're not winning, to maybe make a
deal to get WS. Well, I mean the thing is,
you can say that abugs all the young teams in
this league. So when we talk about why isn't why
isn't this guy playing in bigger market, why didn't you say, well,
(25:13):
what about John Morant? We're not talking about him going
to play a bit. But I don't think I don't
think John Morant is a face of a league player.
I think John Morant's great a zion to me is
the face of the league. Okay, And why can't he
beat that face of the league here in New Orleans?
You just said it. So if we look at bigger markets,
so to speak, right, if we look at bigger markets,
(25:34):
you just said it. He has a two case sponsorship,
he has a Gatorade endorsement, he has a Brand Jordan endorsement.
And this team, meaning the Pelicans, is second as far
as national TV games are concerned, one game behind the Lakers.
So what is there to offer that he's not getting
here right now? It's my question, Well, wins, that's wins.
(26:00):
I worried that they're twenty. Well, he's twenty years old, Colin,
and he's only played in sixty eight games. If we're
talking about winning now, there are a lot of teams
out there that you can say, oh, well, you know what,
maybe this guy or maybe that guy. We are talking
about a young man that is twenty years old and
that's played in sixty eight career games in three different stints.
(26:23):
So last year, remember when he first started playing, he
was under a minute restriction. Then March eleventh came the
season with postpone. Okay, then you go to the bubble,
then he has to leave the bubble for a family emergency,
then he comes back. Now we start this season of Remember,
it's amazing to me how much the narrative around this
young man has changed. Remember last year when everybody's like, oh,
(26:45):
you know what, he's over hyped, or why are they
playing on national TV all the time, or maybe he's
not all about the hype. And now the narrative has
changed to, oh, well, maybe this young man is special
and the moment that people start to figure out what
we have talked about from day one of training camp,
that he is one of one in the history of
the sport. Now we want to say, oh, let's move
(27:06):
into a bigger market. That's not fair to the fan
base of New Orleans or Zion Williamson and his teammates.
What That's why I'm so passionate about this team. What
is he like as a kid? What is he like
as a potastic fantastic And that's the thing. So last year,
when he was going through all the scrutiny about being
injured and about this and about that, if people understood
(27:29):
the young man and the heart that he has, the
humbleness that he came into this league with and that
he still possesses today. And the interviewer I had with
him earlier today, it was all smiles, it was all
last He's incredibly humble and he is a joyful young
man to be around. He's fantastic. Some people say he
should be your one and Brandon Ingram should be the two.
(27:51):
Do you worry about that dynamic? I don't. I don't
because the thing is they'll figure it out. There's some
nights where be I will be forced to close. They're
ether nice because of zion skill set and his ability
to dominate in so many facies of the game where
he'll be the closer begin It's interesting when you're in
this kind of market, how narratives are thrown out there
(28:14):
to try and splinter this team apart, Oh, who's the
number one and who's the number two? You know what,
they will figure it out without our help. By the way,
I did release my list yesterday. If my guys have
it in graphics, I said, if you ask me the
five guys in a five year window to start a
franchise with. I picked Zion over Luca because I think
there's a merchandising angle. I also think he gets your
(28:37):
best bigs in foul trouble, where I think Luca maybe
the better peer scored, but I think the efficiency, his
physical dynamic, he fouls out your bigs. You can He's
a merchandiser's dream, Luca Zion. I mean, do you worry
all about that? We got an a minute left. Only
thing I worry about is injuries. Do you ever get
(29:00):
worried about that? I don't right now. I'm not at
that point because he hasn't given me a reason to
you know, earlier last week he put up seventy seven
points in seventy two minutes on back to back nine
and again so with shooting sixty five sixty seven percent
from the field. So I get the thought process around
some of this. But what we're seeing with the startup
(29:22):
of this NBA season, there is no minutes restriction. People
used to hold that against him. He hasn't been injured.
People used to hold that against him. He's playing him
back to backs. People used to hold that against him.
What he's doing is he's blowing through everything that everybody
used to throw against him. And you know what he's doing.
He's doing it quietly. He's doing it humbly, without saying
a word. He is humbly dominating this league right now.
(29:45):
And he is truly a blessing to cover. I like
your passion. You're really good today. I like that. You know,
I figured out the key to you is to tick
you off. If I tick you off, all they'll bring
you on. You got a law motor, you know. I
was told Colin KEI bring in your passion. That's how
you're going to make your mark. That's all I know.
And I tell you one thing I'm a passionate about.
(30:05):
I'm passionate about this New Orleans Pelicans basketball team and
this awesome fan base. Good seeing you, buddy. Love your work,
Antonio Daniels. Appreciate your brother. He is passionate. I love him.
He's just funny, gets right after it. Yeah, I tell you.
That's the one thing about Zion Man. His efficiency. It's like,
nothing like unbelievable. He's one of one. There's nothing like it.
(30:28):
He's Karl Malone with Sean Kemp's athletic tools. That's what
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