Daily Review with Clay and Buck - May 20 2024

Iran leadership killed in chopper crash. Why has the black family collapsed? Sen. Ron Johnson in the swamp with Clay! Antisemitism in the Muslim world.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us as we fight
the battle truth and justice across the fruited Plains. I
am Clay Travis. He is buck Sexton. I am up
in Washington, d C. For the next couple of days.
We've got several senators who will be swinging by in

(00:21):
person to talk with all of you, including our good
friend Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, who will join us
at one point thirty here in the DC studio, Bill
Haggerty of Tennessee in the third hour of the program,
both in person. We'll haverow tomorrow some more good guests
in person. Buck is down in Miami. A couple of

(00:43):
things that are worth hitting as we begin the show.
Iron's president dies in a helicopter crash. Pretty crazy the
way that that story played out. We'll see if there
ends up being any sort of nefarious allegations about how
that happened, but so far it appears that the helicopter
went down in awful weather conditions. So we'll also the

(01:06):
foreign minister. So yeah, I mean, this is like the
president and the Secretary of State equivalent in Iran dead
in a helicopter press So do you think you've flown
a lot in helicopters, and certainly for anybody out there
who has flown in helicopters, you always hear that they're
way more dangerous than an airplane would be. Do you
when you hear this, buck, does your antennae as a

(01:28):
former CIA person go up and you think there's something
more to this than just a helicopter accident? Or is
your inclination that this would be such a major thing
to attempt to do as you just mentioned President and
Secretary of State effectively both going down in the same helicopter,
that this would be hard even too aggressive for someone

(01:50):
who is an anti Iranian actor to even attempt.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, I think that this is a function of the
Iranian government is incompetent. There have been sanctions for a
long time that make it harder for them to get
good aviation equipment of all kinds. Just keep that in mind.
I mean, they let me look at their military. The
stuff that they're generally operating with is crappy. I mean,
if you told me that I had to get up,

(02:15):
you know, it's one thing to get up in a
US military blackhawk, you've got high level training, the best
technology you're going to get up in an Iranian government helicopter.
I mean, good luck and this is just I think,
horrible luck for the Iranian regime, good luck for the
rest of the world.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
So there's that, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
I mean, people could talk about poetic justice and all
the rest of it, but I don't see this as
there's no basis to believe that it is sabotage. There's
plenty of basis to believe that the Iranians can't fly
a helicopter, even for their own president. You know, for
people out there who are wondering the Ayatola is still

(02:52):
the supreme leader.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
He's eighty five years old.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
But this was a guy that many people had thought
was potentially going to be his successor. Sixty three years
old the Iranian president who died, and a lot of
Iranians celebrated his death because he's considered the butcher of Iran,
because he has been so aggressive in stifling any kind
of descent that has occurred in that country that they
said he's responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands

(03:17):
of Iranian people. So there were some videos that were
starting to circulate as this news became more prominent of
Iranian people celebrating this guy's death, So that occurred out there.
I'll mention you discussed the dangers of helicopters. I think
I've mentioned this on the show if I haven't before.
My uncle who served during Vietnam Buck his job was,

(03:41):
he was in Vietnam and he was in charge of
all helicopter repairs in his particular base where there were
regularly raids going out, and they as the helicopter repairman
at that point in time, and I would imagine they
probably still have similar rules. When you repaired the helicopter,

(04:01):
your crew was the first one to go up in
the helicopter to test it. So I always it's a
little bit like in the skydiving community. You always pack
your own shoot, you know what I mean. Yeah, you
are the only one in charge of your shoot because
you are the one that cares the most. And if
you're gonna be the ones doing the repairs, you're gonna
care a lot about it if you go up in

(04:22):
it first. Afterwards, no doubt, if you were willing to
cut corners in any way, which you shouldn't be doing
when you have to be the first group that's going
up in that helicopter. He said, they were incredibly diligent,
as you can well imagine during the time that he
was serving, thanks by the way to my uncle Kenneth,
who is over eighty now doing well, but serve the

(04:45):
country during Vietnam as a helicopter repairman in Vietnam.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Okay, helicopter gunman by the way, which you know, or
like a helicopter crew chief. I think was one of
the highest percentage casualty jobs the US had in Vietnam
in that whole war. It was very very high casualty
rate for the guy, you know, basically the door guns. Yeah,
it's terrifying to think about, honestly, when you contemplate you're

(05:09):
flying over the jungles like they were all the time,
you can't see very much oftentimes not great optics, and
you're making a lot of noise and everybody knows that
you are coming. So he's told a lot of stories
about that over the years. A couple of other stories
that are out there that we're going to dive into.
I mentioned the Harvard Harris poll. Trump up six. I
believe it's the biggest lead he's ever had. In his
political career in that Harvard Harris poll. We will discuss

(05:33):
but buck.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Right now, Michael Cohen's cross examination continues, and Todd Blanche,
the Trump defense attorney, is absolutely eviscerating him on the stand.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Now.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
I'm not sure again, we talked a lot about this
whether there are enough honest jurors to actually apply the
law here. But if there are, we at least have
one situation where we have finally proved that a crime
did take place. Michael Cohen admits on the witness stand
in the last hour or so that he stole thirty

(06:09):
thousand dollars from the Trump organization. He is a thief.
We already know that he is a felon. Here is
cut nineteen, MSNBC having to tell their audience, oh, the
government star witness. Yeah, he just admitted that he stole
thirty thousand dollars from the Trump organization.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Listen, let me read for you the exchange reteam Todd
Blanche and Michael Cohen. So you only gave him twenty
thousand dollars and you took thirty thousand dollars, Blanch, you
stole from the Trump organization. Right, Cohen says, yes, Sir,
Blanche goes on later on he says, you did steal
from the Trump organization based upon the expected reimbursement, correct,

(06:47):
And he says, yes, sir, so again that is breaking
it out because essentially they walked through what it is
that Michael Cohen actually paid Rentfedge. And this goes back
to Hosea, what you were just talking about in this
brown paper bag all cash he came to the Trump
organization an individual who were for Redfinch to collect this
payment twenty thousand dollars in which Michael Cohen paid out
to this individual. The other thirty thousand dollars Michael Cohen

(07:09):
kept to himself. Subsequently, why Tom Blanch is now saying, okay,
so you stole from the Trump organization, correct? And Michael
Cohen says yes, correct.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Buck Okay, I mean for the star witness to admit
on the witness stand that he is, in addition to
all the other lies that he has told, that he
directly stole from the Trump organization, I don't see how
any juror can consider him to be remotely trustworthy on
any level.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
This whole case is collapsing.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Well, here's the thing, Clay, Yes, it should it should collapse.
It also should have been thrown out by the judge.
It also should never have been brought. It also is insane, right,
I mean, when you're looking at what's going on in
New York City, it is really it. I think in
essence becomes an extra judicial process because it's all about

(08:00):
politics and not about what's actually happening with the law.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
It has been up to this point.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
The prosecutors and judges and Judge Murchand have shown us
that and a normal circumstance, in normal order, a normal trial.
If your star witness and no one disagrees that he
is the you could not make this case without Michael Cohen.
I mean, if this was if this was a murder,
he's the eyewitness to the shooting, right, But as we know,

(08:26):
it's the opposite of a murder.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
It's a bank records like dispute.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
The whole thing, I mean, our business records dispute, the
whole thing is absolutely absurd. But without Michael Cohen, there
is no case. And if you had any other legal
proceeding in Clay, correct me if I'm wrong or you.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Disagree with this.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
If your star witness, without whom there wouldn't even be
an indictment. Was shown to be a liar under oath
in this trial, a proven and admitted serial liar in
other circumstances, a convicted felon, a disbarred lawyer, and he
just admitted to being a lawyer who steals money from

(09:05):
his client, a client that at the time he thought
of like a father figure. I think the case is gone, right,
I think it's all over. But I don't think this
case has gone and all over. I think it's weaker,
but I'm still I still think it's way too early
to celebrate and count out the possibility of a guilty
verdict on sheer politics.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
This is why the federal government chose not to bring
these charges. They investigated this for years, and ultimately they
couldn't get pass that Michael Cohen was the lynchpin, the
star witness, the individual who was going to be able
to prove or not prove that a crime had occurred.

(09:48):
And they just said, we don't believe that a jury
is going to find him compelling or trustworthy enough to
bring these charges. And that's not working. Under the assumption
that the federal government was wanting to give Trump the
benefit of the doubt right in New York the federal
government wanted to get Trump as much as Jack Smith does.

(10:09):
I walked past in DC this morning, buck right past
the Department of Justice sitting across the street from the FBI.
That was my walk from the hotel this morning, and
I just paused there and set for a minute and
looked at that incongruity that could be taking place right
now within the shadow effectively of both the White House
and the Capital Dome. And the fact that the federal

(10:33):
government in New York City said, no, we can't do this,
we don't have a strong enough case, is exactly what
we're seeing take place with Michael Cohen right now. And
Michael Cohen has tried to buck portray himself as a victim.
When we come back in a couple of minutes. Here,
I want to run through for you the amount of

(10:54):
money that Michael Cohen was making after Trump was elected,
based on his proximity to Donald Trump. The dollar figures,
I think are staggering, even for our audience, which likely
doesn't have a lot of trust in the government in
the first place. The amount that Michael Cohen was making,
remember he had no official job. The only thing he

(11:15):
could even argue to these companies was I have the
ability to reach Trump the fact that he was making
these millions of dollars. I'm going to tell you what
he was making and what he was doing for it,
and your jaw is gonna all drop, and you're gonna
think to yourself, you're claiming this guy is that he's
somehow a victim. He cashed in off this proximity to
Trump almost more than anybody did. We'll talk about that

(11:37):
here in a moment when we come back. I'm live
in DC. Buck down in Miami. We got a lot
of great guests headed your way, and I want to
tell you, Buck, I'm sorry about this. I don't even
know if you paid attention your blood Nicks had a
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Speaker 3 (11:49):
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Speaker 3 (11:51):
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can watch the Knicks from the couch at the same time.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
So you went full nineteen nineties NBA FANBA Fans book.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yes, absolutely, I have. The Knicks brought me back in
for this one. It was very sad. Very sad night, though,
and they lost to the Pacers. Congratulations to everyone in
Indiana as well. By the way, the Minnesota Timberwolves huge
upset road Game seven win as well against the Denver Nuggets,
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Speaker 2 (13:48):
Second Hour Clay and Buck kicks off now. Over the weekend,
Joe Biden spoke at Morehouse College, a historically black college.
You know there's a HBUC right storiclely Black College University HBCU,
rather historically Black college university. He spoke at Morehouse College.

(14:09):
It was really vintage Biden. I mean, this is who
he is, this is the way that he has always operated.
Let's just take a moment to set the stage. He's down, Clay,
what was it six points to Trump in the new
Harvard Harris poll forty nine to forty three, Trump biggest
lead that he's ever had in the Harvard Harris pole.

(14:31):
And let's remember that it wasn't long ago that Joe
Biden was and also ran among Democrats who couldn't even
get in the top five back in what was the
two thousand and eight he was right alongside Dennich Kucinich.
So he was considered even by Democrats an unserious person
until they figured, well, maybe we can make Grandpa Biden

(14:52):
into something he's not because his whole life he's just
been an empty vessel for whatever the Democrat Party wants
and needs in the moment. But you also set the stage.
I thought this was really really telling analysis. This is
Federal Reserve data, and I live up in the Wall
Street Journal over the weekend change in household net worth

(15:13):
since start off presidency, and it has to do with
an adjusted for inflation, and you look at it and
sure enough, if you think that you have gotten poorer
under the Biden presidency, it is not just your perception,
it is reality. Trump The average household over Trump's first

(15:35):
four years increased over twenty percent in net worth over
twenty percent. Think about that. That's not even wages for
a year, like, oh, I got a twenty percent.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Raise this year.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Your overall networth, your house, your savings, everything in four
years of Donald Trump went up twenty percent. And under
the same four year metric adjusted for inflation under Biden.
Guess what, everybody, it has gone negative. You are losing

(16:07):
net worth. Now, given the market cycles, given you know,
investments and compound interests, you would think over four years, right,
America should be seeing an increase. No, No, you are
poorer because of Biden's economy and Biden's spending. That is
the numerical reality. Well, Clay, it is with that backdrop
that Joe Biden has to go out there and try

(16:30):
to play the Republicans are racist card and try to
pretend that he, Joe Biden, is the great champion of
the black community in this country and pander to sentiments
of victimhood and you know this country is still racist,
and just playing on.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
All of the worst all of.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
The worst mindsets that exist in America about disunity and
about how fractured we are. This is cut one. This
is at a graduation speech. If Biden knew was going
to get replayed all over the place in the media.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Play it.

Speaker 7 (17:03):
It's natchal to wonder democracy you hear about actually works
for you. What is democracy if black mat are being
killed in the street? What is democracy? Thetrayal of broken
promises slowly black communities behind. What is democracy if you
have to be ten times better than anyone else to
get a fair shot? Most of all, what does it mean,

(17:24):
as we've heard before, to be a black man who
loves his country even if it doesn't love him back
in equal measure?

Speaker 2 (17:32):
What a horrible thing for a president to say, especially
a white guy who's a giant phony and has been
his entire life. The notion that he first off a
few things that he says play that I have big
problems with. One is when he talks about black men
being shot on the street, he means that in the

(17:52):
context of by cops. He's actually not focusing in on
crime as a national problem and how it affects are
too many, They are far too many minority victims of crime.
He did the whole George Floyd, Oh, there's systemic racism
and police. That was part of the speech, This idea
that you have to be ten times better than somebody
else to get that's just not true. I hate no

(18:13):
one has to be ten times better than somebody else did.
How do you even this is a very self serving
narrative that anyone would come up with, Okay, you're not
ten times better than somebody else who got a job
than you, all right, And then even beyond that, for
a black man who loves this country, even if it
doesn't love him back in equal measure, I think the

(18:33):
American people do love their fellow Americans in equal measure,
regardless of skin color. I think that's a horrible thing
that Joe Biden is saying.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
I think it's desperation. And I tweeted this out earlier today,
and I think it's important for everybody out there to
contemplate and understand it. As the numbers continue to work
against Biden, the Harvard Harris poll Trump up six, the
Michael Cohen testimony that is collapsing, the New York City case,
fact that the law fair is not really going to work,

(19:03):
I would expect for the divisiveness of Biden's campaign to
ramp up to a level that we may never have
seen before of an incumbent president, by which I mean
identity politics is collapsing, and yet I think Biden is
going to go even harder into identity politics because there

(19:24):
is no other method by which he can be reelected.
What's important here. I looked up the data in the
wake of this speech over the weekend. The black murder
rate is ten times the white murder rate. I thought
it was interesting because Biden said, you have to be
ten times as talented to get ahead. The black murder
rate ten x the white murder rate. In this country,

(19:47):
almost all black murders are being committed by black people.
You're by far more likely to be murdered by members
of your own race because a lot of people still
spend most of their time with people who are the
same race as them. Factor that in most of the
time you are going to be a victim of violence
by someone who is close to you, not by a

(20:07):
total strength. All those factors in place, nobody will talk
about it. I mentioned this in the context of the
Harrison Butker case, the commencement address that he gave that
I thought was far better than the commencement address that
Joe Biden gave. And one of the things that has
occurred in this country, unfortunately, is if facts are uncomfortable.
We pretend they don't exist in many parts of this democracy,

(20:32):
this republic, and we actually focus on other things that
are more dishonest associated with them. By which I mean this,
This is to me the number one question that should
be talked about and should be addressed. But Ker talked
about the importance of mom and dads at home of
the fact, and this is true. I think for most
parents that whatever you accomplish in your life, the thing

(20:54):
that you're most proud of ultimately is your children.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
And the thing that you are.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Most proud of throughout your life is not what you
achieved in your career, but what you achieve in your family.
I think that's true for most people out there. I
can't get past this stat. Nineteen sixty, seventy five percent
of black kids are born into two parent households. Today
it's twenty percent. If you want to talk about the

(21:19):
legacy of racism, which is the obsession of the Democrat Party,
nineteen sixty, racism was much more of a thing than
it is in twenty twenty. Why has the black family collapsed?
Why have we gone from seventy five percent mom and
dad in the household, marriaged with kids in nineteen sixty,
one hundred years after the end of slavery. When I

(21:41):
think it's fair to say, for anybody out there who
was alive, a lot more racism in nineteen sixty than
there is in twenty twenty. Why has the black family
collapsed as racism has diminished in this country. My argument
would be because we put the government in the place
of mom and dad.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
And I think that's true.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
For all races, unfortunately, but it's particularly pernicious in the
black family. And you know, Steven A. Smith, who I
had on, said something that I think is true. Sometimes
he says, look, when white people get a cold, black
people get pneumonia, and that's when you rely on the government.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
I think that's true.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
And that is the story that I would love to
have had Barack Obama talk about at Morehouse, Sorry, Joe Biden.
Barack Obama would sometimes talk about absent black fathers in
the collapse of the black family. Now it's as if
you can't even mention it. That's a conversation that we
should be having if we want to talk about America
loving its people. That's a bad result, that is not positive.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
And Biden continued on with this, I think one of
the most annoying. There are so many lies that Democrats tell.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
I mean, there's the equal pay lie.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
I mean, there's all these things that they just say.
I'm going to go it's not true. It's not true.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
They're lying. They're lying, and the moment you.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Subjected to scrutiny, it's obvious that it's a lie, but
they keep saying it because they hope people don't know
about banning books. I mean, he brought this up in
the in the speech. I wanted to deal with this
for a second. This is sort of separate from the
racial dynamics that Biden was trying to exploit to his
political benefit. This has cut to the national effort to

(23:15):
ban books.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Play it.

Speaker 7 (23:16):
I never thought when I was graduating in nineteen sixty eight,
as you'r honor read just was we talk about. I
never thought I'd be in a president of time when
there's a national effort to ban books, not to write history,
but to a race history. They don't see you in
the future of America. But they're wrong. To me, we
make history not a racist all right.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Two things, The book ban is a lie. There's no
banning of books insofar as you also, you know, don't
have adult films being shown in high school and I mean,
like you know, triple X films being shown to high
school kids or whatever. Everyone understands that's wrong. Why would
you show triple X books if you will? Why would
you show pornographic material to grammar school age kids, which

(24:03):
they do in these schools as part of the LGBTQIA
plus agenda, they do it. Okay, it happens. We've seen
the proof. Remember Ron DeSantis at the press conference in
flores held up a book in a school library for
like fourth graders and they had to blur the images. Okay,

(24:24):
So is not showing pornography to children book banning or
is it just exercising basic editorial judgment? No conservative has
ever said this book needs to be banned from publication forever.
The left says that you know about things like Shakespeare,
then the other one clay erasing history, not politicizing history

(24:47):
with contemporary political narratives, and then shoehorning history into that.
In the case of teaching critical race theory, for example,
is not erasing history, it's just not allowing propaganda.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
But is Joe Biden? Is he too stupid?

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Or does he not care that he's lying. I think
he's I actually think he's too stupid. I think he's
a moron. I actually I've always thought Joe Biden's an idiot.
This is the question that I asked the other day.
Is and we need to play a cut and we
come back and we will of Biden and his brain
turning into mush. I don't think he was ever very smart.
I think he got the most important job in his
life twenty five years after he would have been good

(25:24):
at it. And that's scary and sad as you think
about it. And also we're going to be joined by
Senator Ron Johnson, who has just rolled into the DC
studio in Wisconsin, battleground state. We love Senator Johnson. We'll
start to talk with him and maybe ask him this question.
He was right on everything with COVID and the good
credit of the people of Wisconsin. He's got a new
six year term that he won in twenty twenty two,

(25:45):
which is I think a credit to the country. And
you know where I am right now in DC. If
I could just give everyone in DC a nice jolt
of testosterone, that would actually be phenomenal. I don't know
that there's ever been a lower two testosterone level in
our federal government that exists right now. And that's why
I want all of them. I should have just brought

(26:07):
it up here and got a tanker truck driven it
around up to Capitol Hill. Everybody needs more testosterone. That's
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Learn and laugh weekdays with Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we are rolling
through the Monday edition of the program. I am in Washington,
d C. Buck is in Miami. We are joined now
in studio by a guy that knows a little bit
about battlegrounds and how tough it is to win in
a battleground, Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. He's going to
be with us next segment. But I wanted you to

(27:43):
be able to hear this because a lot of stories
coming out, Senator about what's going on with the COVID situation,
and a lot of the things that you and I
and Buck said for a long time turning out to
be even more true now that you got the gain
of funk, the fact that our taxpayer dollars helped to
fund it, everything else, But I wanted to play this

(28:05):
cut for you, Buck. I don't know if you've heard
this either. This was Biden, I believe, earlier today, talking
about how he was vice president during COVID and Barack
Obama sent him to Detroit to try to help.

Speaker 7 (28:18):
Listen to this cut, And when I was vice president,
things were kind of bad during the pandemic, and what
happened was Rock said to me, go to Detroit and
help fix it. Well, poor Mary, he spend more time
with me than he ever thought.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
He's going to have to Senator Johnson, I'll get your
read and then I want to get Bucks read on this.
For him to be saying he was vice president during
COVID and got sent to Detroit to help solve it,
you've known, I imagine Joe Biden for some time. What's
going on here? Is this dementia? Like, how do you
even have that said?

Speaker 3 (28:50):
It's delusional? I mean, what else is it is? I
don't even understand what he was trying to say.

Speaker 8 (28:54):
He's just completely making it up. No, that is I
mean so much about Joe Biden is completely is troubling.
I've said he was unfit for office obviously before the
twenty twenty election because of our investigation to Hunter Biden,
but every day that goes by becomes more obviously he
is suffering mentally significantly, which is again why last summer
I was on your show. Yeah, I've made the same

(29:16):
I have a real hard time believing that he's gonna
be their nominee. I know it's difficult for them, and
I know you guys are somewhat split on that probably
got some bets out, but I just have.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
A hard time thinking he's actually been the nominee.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Buck That feels like dementia to me, because there's no
way he could possibly think that he was vice president
during that he got sent to Detroit to so I
don't even know what he's trying to say there.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
He's having a Biden moment. He's had plenty of them.
Senator Johnson, I'm surprised you're still You're still thinking they
got some other Plan B in the background. You might
be buying me some beer and brats when we go
up to Wisconsin, because I'm telling you, if they had
a Plan B, they would have exercised it already. They
recognized Biden is very weak, but everyone recognized I think

(29:59):
they he's he's weak on these issues, and it just
always gets covered as he misspoke. He's tired, he's doing
a lot all of this stuff. So I don't think
that it really I don't think it really hits home.
And Sara, I'm wondering what you think about this. If
Biden just shows up at this June debate in a
month and is vaguely coherent and does not collapse on stage,

(30:20):
they're going to say it's a victory.

Speaker 8 (30:22):
Absolutely like to stay the union. But I love Trump
saying that you need to give him a drug chest. Yeah,
we've been saying that on this show.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
I mean, I just.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
It's one thing to be wrong on a policy, but
I mean to say that he was present vice president
during COVID and got sent to Detroit to try to
solve it by President Obama. I can't to clean that
up for their team. And by the way, to be fair,
that was this weekend. I thought it was today. That
was this weekend. I don't even know what he could
be attempting to say. Is he talking about H one

(30:56):
N one? I mean, I just I don't even know
what his mind is trying to say there that.

Speaker 8 (31:01):
Would be the only out because they did have H
one N one and they mishandled that one as well. Yeah,
you know, fear monger, the same things they're trying to
do now with the disease X. But no, it's just
illusional and we know we know he is diminishmentally, no
doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Senator come back, Yeah, but I was just gonna say,
and when we come back, we want to dive into
Wisconsin because the battleground state absolutely essential. You know, the
terrain there as well as anyone. So Clay, let's dive
into that.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah, we need to figure out what has to happen
to not only win the Senate race, but more importantly
in terms of the national picture. It's looking like whatever
happens in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, Biden's going to have
to sweep all three based on the most recent polling.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Can he do it? What needs to happen to stop
that from happening?

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Speaker 2 (32:44):
Welcome back into Clay and Bucket could determine the well
future of the Senate and maybe even future the presidency
in some way. Wisconsin is a top battleground state and
we have the Senator from Wisconsin. Ron Johnson with us
now to talk about that and more. Senator, thanks for
staying with us through the break. Appreciate you. Let's actually start,

(33:05):
if I can, with this. The White House is pressing
Senate Democrats to support border security bill. I'm looking at
this and I'm saying, hold on, this is news from
from today from now. I thought this went away a
few weeks ago. Why is Biden trying to beat this
drum once again on the border when we know his

(33:26):
border is a disaster.

Speaker 8 (33:28):
Well, that's why, because the border is a disaster. And
you know, unfortunately McConnell in negotiating that awful, awful bill
did give Democrats fairmount cover and they're using it. So
I personally think it's a strategic air in their part,
because if they do bring the bill back up for
the Senate, we're gonna have a lot more time this
time round to just describe exactly how awful that bill was,

(33:50):
particularly using Chuck Schreamer's quote, you know, we had all collapsed.
You know, he was quoted in political saying we are
playing chess, they're playing checkers, and we got to Ukraine bill.
Then he went on to say, and we're in a
lot better shape on the border than we were three
months ago. So first of all, if you're actually negotiating
good shape, would you rub in negotiating partner's nose and

(34:10):
the fact that they failed. And secondly, if you really
want to secure the border, suppose you're doing this bill
to do so, you don't get the bill, and now
you're claiming you're better off on the border. It just
proves all Schumer, all the democrafts were looking for was
political cover. Unfortunately McConnell gave them some. But the American
people realize this is a disaster. Hopefully they realize that

(34:32):
Biden has all the authority he needs to secure the border.
Republicans have been happy to strengthen that authority. What we
were looking for in the Republican conference, and this was
the breach of McConnell's leadership, is all we were looking
for was an enforcement mechanism to force Biden to use
the authority he had. Again, we just strengthened it. But
we weren't looking for an immigration bill. Were certainly looking

(34:53):
to codify four or five thousand people a day and
weaken a presidential authority. That that's the one part that
has not talked about enough that four thousand discretionary threshold.
You know, four thousand migrants today the president had discretion,
it implies the president didn't have the authority, So you're
basically codifying the fact that Congress.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Didn't think he had that authority.

Speaker 8 (35:14):
And then even worse, they take that discretion away after
three years, So you would have dramatically weakened a president
who wants to here the board his authority to do so.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
You know Wisconsin, and we got Senator Ron Johnson with
us here in the DC studio for Clay and Buck.
You know Wisconsin better than anybody. You've won a lot
of tough races. We're going to be up for the
Republican National Convention in Milwaukee. We'll talk a little bit
more about that here with you in a moment. What
are you seeing on the ground, big Senate race, obviously
the presidential race. Trump won Wisconsin by a fingernail in

(35:48):
twenty sixteen. He lost Wisconsin by a fingernail in twenty twenty.
What makes the difference to you to putting Wisconsin into
the Republican camp is if that happens, Trump's going to
be the president of twenty twenty four, You're going to
be in the majority in the Senate. What needs to happen?
What are you telling the team? What are you seeing?

Speaker 8 (36:07):
Well, what I'm seeing is that Democrats know that it's
going to be a tough race for them, which is
why Biden and Harris have been in the state a lot,
primarily talking about abortion. So they are desperate to turn
the election Wisconsin all about the abortion issue, which they've
done very effectively. I think it's private cost us the
governor's race in twenty twenty two, costs us the Wisconsin's
Supreme Court.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
They're very effective.

Speaker 8 (36:29):
It's scaring Wisconsin nice that the Republics are going to
take away their abortion rights. And what is amazing means
to cover the mainstream media gives them. They refuse to
report on the fact that it is Democrats that have
the extreme position on abortion, abortion up to the moment
of birth, whereas Republicans this Assembly passed a bill that

(36:50):
would have sent it to the voters. They are referendum
on protecting life after fourteen weeks, which is where most
of the American public truly is. I mean, they most
do want a woman to be able to make that decision.
Up to a point, and the point is generally about
fourteen weeks. About ninety percent of abortions occur before that.
So you know, the press always reports that Republics want

(37:12):
to ban abortion. Now listen, there's part of our party
that wants to absolutely ban I think most of us
would like to not ever see abortions, but that's not
three houry situation. So in supporting like a twenty week
or fifteen week or fourteen or six week, I mean,
you can see the fact that it's some up to
some point that's going to be a woman to signing
that make that decision. But at some point society has

(37:34):
responsibility to protect life. And so from my standpoint, it's
not about banning abortion. It's about protecting life after a
certain point. And it's baking out the way the media
reports though it's Republicans want to ban abortion, and they
are completely signed on the fact that Democrats would allow infanticide,
which is basically what happens. So, I mean, I point
this out all the time in press confases in Wisconsin.

(37:57):
They will never point out they'll never mention that when
I say it's Democrats have extreme position on abortion because
they want to cover for him.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Speaking of Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Senator you're
hopefully soon to be colleague, Eric Huvedy has been on
with us a number of times against Senator Tammy Baldwin. Right,
He's he's the one who is trying to try to
defeed her for that seat. She has held it for
a few decades now, right, I mean she has been

(38:27):
in politics her entire life. What is the state of
the Wisconsin Democrat Party machinery? I mean, how can they
keep some pretty unimpressive people. I mean they look at
look at Senator the senator they have on the Democrats side,
Look at the who's your governor right now?

Speaker 3 (38:43):
I assume he's a Democrat Leavers?

Speaker 2 (38:47):
How are they able to get these kinds of a
very unimpressive people in these positions in Wisconsin? I mean,
what what is it that the Democrats are doing well?
I'm just wondering, you know, how what do you have
to know to be able to beat this machine they
have in the state of Wisconsin.

Speaker 8 (39:03):
Again, they have the media in their back pocket. Okay,
but I remember Senator to me always used to describe
Pennsylvania as Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between. And
you know, I think a lot of states are like that.
They've got we've got our metropolitan areas that are heavily blue,
and you've got you know, red counties, red cities throughout
the state. So it's just a lot easier for Democrats

(39:23):
to go mine votes in Madison, Milwaukee based on a
gin deap issue like abortion. That's what they did during
the Supreme Court race.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
For sure.

Speaker 8 (39:33):
We've got to go into every little small town throughout
Wisconsin and get every possible. It's a much more difficult task.
So you know, the way I did it is I
just traveled tirelessly all of the state. You know, bus tours,
that type of thing, every linking day, dinner, dairy breakfast,
which is something unique and wonderful about Wisconsin, these dairy
breakfast in June. You just got to work the state

(39:55):
really hard and go everywhere, go absolutely everywhere.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
We're gonna get a bunch of beers with you in
Milwaukee during the course of the Republican National Convention, hopefully.
How concerned are you about Democrat left wing activists coming
in We feel like it's gonna happen in Chicago, but
that's a negative for them. If they could somehow disrupt
the Republican National Convention, and so chaos turned that into

(40:22):
the story as opposed to what's actually taking place there.
How concerned are you about it? How well do you
think Milwaukee will be able to handle some of those
protesters should they come.

Speaker 8 (40:31):
Well, I'm highly concerned now that I've seen the security
plan which was developed for the DNC convention that was
going to take place in the summer of twenty twenty.
So they developed this plan, you know, based on seam
services criteria before the summer of twenty twenty riots, okay, BLM,
Antifa riots, So they're coming up with the exact same plan.

(40:52):
We have this park a block away from the convention site.
The initial plan showed the entrance for the convention two entrances,
one north, one south on the streets adjacent to this park.
There won't be fences around this park. This'll be just
a gathering spot for mayhem. Yeah, completely uncontrolled. So when
I saw that, I know the R and C was

(41:12):
concerned about that. They'd raise the issue. They weren't getting
any traction. So I met with the director of the
Secret Service last week. What's bizarre about that meeting is again,
they set the plan. They have the authority to create
this plan, but now she says she doesn't have the
authority to change it.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Who does have the authority? I would think she well
President Biden.

Speaker 8 (41:30):
Certainly President Biden would have the authority to tell his
Secretary of may Archus of DHS that hotel director of
the Secret Service. Let's make sure we don't have problems
in Milwaukee. We don't have problems in chicagu either. The
difference is in Chicago you have the United Center. It's
completely surrounded by private parking lots, so you won't be
able to get a protest zone close to that site.

(41:51):
We got one to block away right now, and that's
got to change.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Senator Ron Johnson, everybody, Senator, always appreciate you, sir, thanks
for being here with.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Appreciate what you guys do.

Speaker 8 (42:02):
All right.

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Speaker 6 (43:53):
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Speaker 3 (43:58):
I'm in Washington, DC, is in Miami.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
We are gonna have a bunch of different guests from
Capitol Hill as I am in the middle of the
swamp this next couple of days. Appreciate all of you
hanging out with us. We've been talking a lot about
the Michael Cohen cross examination and the fact that Cohen
has now admitted that he stole tens of thousands of
dollars from the Trump organization, which, as we went to

(44:23):
break we just told you CNN has now admitted is
more consequential in terms of its criminality than anything that
Donald Trump has been charged with.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
I would just say, if you steal sixty grand you
are probably going to prison, right. I mean, there's a
good chance if you steal sixty thousand dollars from somebody,
you may do some time. If you write down the
wrong thing in your business ledger, you will not do
some time, at least if you're not Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
No doubt, Harvard Harris poll is out showing Donald Trump
up six points. The numbers continue to move in Trump's direction.
You just heard us talking with Senner Ron Johnson, who
has won a bunch of tough races in Wisconsin, and
we have certainly a tough Senate and presidential race about
five months and change away from happening there Iran the

(45:12):
helicopter crashes. We started off telling you the information that
the president and effectively their secretary of state both killed
in that helicopter crash. And we talked to you about
Michael Cohen and the amount of insane millions of dollars
he was making trading on his influence. Pedaling buck. I
want to come here now. There has been an arrest

(45:33):
warrant issued for Benjamin not net and Yahoo and other
Israeli leaders relating to the actions they have taken to
defend themselves in the wake of the October seventh terror attack.
The ICC, that is, the International Criminal Court, has accused
them of human rights violations. And you might be out

(45:54):
there saying, Okay, well, what's the impact of this. This
would theoretically mean that, depending on the kun that Netanyahu
went to, he could be arrested for international human rights violations. Now,
I don't think that anyone, for instance, in the United
States is going to be arresting him. I like to
think that no one in any European country would be

(46:15):
doing this.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
But it's a big.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Deal, and I think it speaks to the inability of
not only many people on the left in the United States,
but many people around the world to recognize the distinction
between defending yourself in the wake of a heinous terror
attack that took more lives of Jewish individuals than any
day since the Holocaust and actually being a human rights violator,

(46:41):
as for instance, the Hamas terrorists are, or frankly, Vladimir
Putin might be, who has also dealt with his own
potential human rights violations for his invasion and potential takeover
of Ukraine. You served in the CIA, You've dealt in
foreign affairs for a long time. What's your reaction when

(47:01):
you hear that Benjamin Netnahu and other top Israeli leaders
are being have been charged and indicted with ICC by
the ICC with human rights violations.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
I think that the ICC is a joke, that international
law is essentially a fiction, and that this is showing
us once again that whenever you have a a multilateral
international agency of some kind, you somehow always find a
lot of anti Semitism in it. I mean, you see

(47:34):
this with the UN and un Secure, whether I mean
or you know, UN Human Rights Council for example, which
at one point had Libya sitting on the UN Human
Rights Council uh and they were still passing condemnations of
Israeli behavior and Israeli action. The real issue here is

(47:54):
that the Muslim world, unfortunately is absolutely soaked in anti Semitism.
That is the truth doesn't mean that every Muslim obviously
is an anti semit It just means that the Islamic
world in general, and anyone who would question this would
have to explain Why do so few Muslim countries have
normalized relations with Israel? Why can't you travel? Why is

(48:15):
it that you go to certain countries and I've been
to them and you even have an Israeli stamp in
your passport and they won't let you enter. You know,
I don't know if you know that, Klaim, but I
didn't have any idea. No, that's crazy. Yes, oh it's
a big deal. There are countries that I've been to
where the presence of an Israeli stamp will get you
barred from the country. So, meaning as an American, for example,

(48:38):
if you visited Israel and then tried to go to
Lebanon or tried to go to I think Turkey may
even be one of these, but I'd have to go check.
They're a handful. A number of these countries certainly don't
want to try to go to Pakistan with a Israeli stamp,
not an Israeli passport. A stamp from Israel in your
passport will get you barred from the country. So there's

(49:00):
a tremendous amount of anti Semitism in the Muslim world. Okay,
it is state backed, in state sponsored, and their entire
countries that are effectively, as in Iran being among the
most noteworthy as a function of state policy anti Semitic.
What does that matter to the International Criminal Court? Well,
you have all these signatories to it, which Israel is
not a signatory. In America is not a signatory, and

(49:23):
that is because of exactly what we're seeing here. You
have all these Islamic countries, and unfortunately a lot of
European countries, despite the history of the last one hundred
years or so, are deeply anti Semitic. To this day,
there's a lot of anti Semitism. So what I see
here is exactly what we would expect, and unfortunately it

(49:47):
shows you the depth of the Jewish the hatred for
the Jewish people that comes from a lot of places.
Because there is no country on earth that would suffer
what Israel suffered on October S and have so many
different countries that honestly have nothing to do with Palestine,
nothing to do with Israel, doing everything in their power

(50:10):
to undermine Israel, to stop it from defending itself, to
prevent it from exercising it's sacred and God given rights
of self defense. I don't give a crap what the
International Criminal Court says Israel is fighting a just war,
and all you really have to know about this is
claim the calls in the early now it's all, oh,

(50:32):
we don't like the prosecution of this war. A lot
of these countries that are now or you know, whether
it's groups, countries, international criminal court, they were calling for
a cease fire days after the terrorist attack in October seventh.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
A cease fire.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
We don't remember, you know, we don't I shouldn't say remember,
we don't hear about that much anymore. But the expectation
from the Jew haters at the UN and the Middle
East and everywhere else, the expectation was after their nine
eleven and it was equivalent to a nine to eleven
style attack. After their nine to eleven, they're supposed to

(51:09):
open negotiations. Hamas still has hostages, including as you rightly
point out, American hostage five of them, and it's on
Israel to stop what it's doing. If this were the case,
Hamas would have figured out a way that terrorism always wins.
And that's unfortunately what's at stake right now, because if

(51:29):
people who are vicious and evil can perpetrate the most
heinous violence as a function of state policy, and then
turn around and play the humanitarian rights game and have
all these useful idiots.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
Saying, oh, but they're being too mean in the fight
against the other people. The terrorists always win. Anytime they
want to do this, they get to do this. That
is a completely unacceptable proposition. And the International Criminal Court.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Look what else if the US we're not a signatory too,
because we know that this nonsense, because eventually we'd have
to go to war with some you know, crappy country somewhere,
and all these human rights abusing third world hellholes.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Would be like, Oh, the US is an imperiallest power.
We have to lock up their president.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Other news just came down the State Department. I don't
know if you've seen this yet, Buck. The State Department
has issued a statement on the death of Iranian President
Raizi Rozi and others in a helicopter crash.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Sad Austere religious scholar is that how they're describing them.
Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
The United States expresses its official condolences for the death
of Iranian President Ibraham Rozi, foreign Minister Emir Abdah Holyghan,
and other members of their delegation in a helicopter crash
in northwest Iran. As Iran selects a new president, we
reaffirm our support for the Iranian people and their struggle

(52:54):
for human rights and fundamental freedoms. That's the last sentence,
which fine calive that the State Department is issued an
official condolence for the death of a terrorist mass murderer
who killed not only many of his own people, but
also was instrumental in so many attacks against American soldiers

(53:16):
in the Middle East. This feels like yet another slap
in the face from the Biden administration that they would
send official condolences from the United States government on the
death of a terrorist.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
You know, look, the State Department, unfortunately is a very
left wing, infiltrated place, and has been even since I
was in the CIA, and the CIA is now as well,
so I'm not surprised that they would say something like this.
I think it's also interesting to me to see how
many people are assuming that there is some external hand

(53:50):
in this, or that this is a that that would
have to be that would involve a level of knowledge
of Iranian politics that I think assumes too much, meaning well,
who comes into power, now, who takes over?

Speaker 3 (54:05):
What does this do? Internally? So I see this as most.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Likely an accident, as I said, although I'm open to
persuasion otherwise. You know, I'm just noting. I didn't think
the nord Stream pipeline was an accident everybody, and I
said so on the show. I'm not an official government
line guy, but helicopters in mountainous areas in bad weather
do fail. It does happen, they do go down, Okay,
nord Stream pipeline don't blow themselves up, and only a

(54:32):
few people would know how to do that. So I
see things I think for what they are. But I
think it's unlikely, unfortunately, to change any major dynamics in
the region, because one problem, whether it's Iran or Syria,
which are very closely linked North Korea, any number of
states play that are truly tyrannies, is that they spend

(54:53):
almost all of their energy on one thing and one
thing only, and that is staying in power. Everybody who
has any power is part of that machine. And everybody
who's in the military, everybody who's in the upper political circles,
every bureaucrat, for every you know, government institution there. Their
number one priority isn't a constitution, It isn't a just society,

(55:17):
it is how do we stay as the people in charge?
And in some cases because they realize if they don't,
they're all going to rot in prison the rest of
their lives. They might all be executed. Right, So that's
this is the challenge with it in autocracy, which is
what you have in Iran right now, is it's very
hard to get change. It eventually happens, but look how
long it took with the Soviet Union. So you know,

(55:38):
I saw people tweeting over the weekend like, oh my gosh,
World War three.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Is about to start. No, it's not. It's not going
to start over this.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
The question now I think that's open is does it
create much of a change in policy from the Iranian
regime or change in actions from the Iranian regime. I
think the answer is probably no. It's a really intractable problem.
And everybody who has been either two kinds of people
that get attention on the Iranian issue across.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
The board, people who are overly.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Pessimistic there's going to be a war any day now
and they've been saying that for twenty years, or people
who are overly optimistic, which is, oh my gosh, you know,
do you see that they're actually allowing like more Western
TV shows on a legal satellite dishes. They're gonna flip
any day now and become you know, Western democracy.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
No.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Usually, tyrannies just managed to go far longer than people think.
They will have a far higher human casualty and human toll,
and eventually they collapse under their own weight, and no
one can predict when. And I'm not sure Iran is
anywhere near that point in time. But status quo is
not a way to get attention in the headlines. Clay,
that's the problem.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
You've also got, I mean, frankly eighty five year old Dietola,
who effectively is in control of everything. So when people
here president, they may think it's more significant. Again also
basically their secretary of state both dying. I just think
that the amality people in.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
The media could even name the president until this happened, Clay,
the president of Iran.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Oh I meane scarier than media. How many politicians could
even name it? Who are even dealing with foreign relations?
I could Biden? I don't think Biden.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
I mean, if you read the newspapers, you know about
the Ayatola. Yes, if you read the newspapers, you didn't
know about this guy.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
I think that's correct. We come back.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Senator Haggerty has got an emergency health related in his family.
Can't be on with us right now. We certainly wish
his family the best. He's fine, but we will talk
with him at some point in the future. Let's dive
in a little bit more into some of this craziness
surrounding the Michael Cohen trial. We will dive into that
and discuss and look. By next week, the jury's going

(57:40):
to have it in his hand. Should we be optimistic
or should we be pessimistic? This case is basically over.

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Speaking Truth and having Fun Clay Travis and Buck Sexton