May 21, 2024 • 36 mins
Deadly turbulence on Singapore Airlines flight. In other airline news: Viral video of woman arrested, removed from flight for refusing to agree to help in exit row. College swimming champ, OutKick host Riley Gaines, joins Clay and Buck to discuss her new book: "Swimming Against the Current" and her battle to keep men out of women's sports. Callers on plane turbulence.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour, Clay and Buck kicks off.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Now, just bringing up to speed for a moment here
on the Trump trial in New York, defense rest, prosecution rest.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
The jury will get a rest, They're going to be able.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
To hang out for a little bit here, and in
about a week they will start deliberations. I think that's
the latest schedule. They will probably have a verdict for us.
I would assume next week at some point. I don't
think it'll go longer than that, although if it is
heading toward a hung jury and therefore a mistrial, I
(00:34):
think there's a possibility that it goes on a few
days more than anticipated. One thing I do know that
is possible is people always think there's no way.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
That that's true. It is true.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I've asked friends of mine who are prosecutors and former
judges as well. You know, they can set aside a
jury verdict. I mean a judge can just say, yeah,
I'm going to set aside. A judge can just say
I'm setting aside the jury verdict and do what he
or she pleases, essentially, which gives a sense I think
of how much power a judge actually has now that
would they would have to do that in very rare circumstances,
(01:07):
because you wouldn't want to be overturned on that and
to be seen to be really abusing your power. But
it is possible a judge can say, oh, yeah, you
guys say not guilty. Yeah, no, I say guilty, And
here's the sentence that a judge can set aside a
jury verdict. I don't think that's going to happen, but
I'm just throwing a buck, and I haven't heard a
(01:27):
lot of people discuss this. The judge can also say
at the end of all of the case that the
government has not presented its case, they haven't proven it
in any way. No reasonable jury could find a verdict
of guilty and toss it. I think there's actually a
legitimate basis upon which to do that. If we had
(01:49):
a non left wing partisan judge and this wasn't Trump,
and you just tried to look at the facts, I'm
not sure if you and we haven't been sitting there
every day. So I would love to hear an honest
judge analyt I'm not sure they've proven the case to
it all in terms of Trump's criminality. I think Clay,
if they were bringing this trial, I know Nashville's a
Democrat majority city and Dallas is I think slightly maybe
(02:12):
fifty five percent or something Democrat majority city. But if
you brought it in a red state, I would be
sitting here saying that he is going to be found
not guilty. I agree, because I just think that the
pressure on that jury, they know, it's far less. There's
a far greater likelihood you have people that are pro
Trump who are on the jury than you do in
New York City. I remember New York City is something
(02:33):
like eighty five percent for Biden in the last election.
But we wanted to take a moment to not look
at the imminent fall of the judicial system and possibly
the end of the Republic as we know it, just
saying and look at something that scares us all and
freaks us all out, at least I think it freaks
(02:54):
us all out. And that is turbulence. Now, we've all
been through it. If you've flown on a plane, you've
been through it, and you know that there's the turbulence
that you get and you're like, oh, oh, that was
a little that was a little something, you know, Oh
I felt a little little something going on there. And
then there's a turbulence that goes and goes again and
you look around and you know, you know what I'm
(03:15):
talking about, where people start kind of looking around like
is anyone else freaking out? Because like, this is pretty bad.
I've been through some pretty run on small planes and
on military aircraft. I've been through some really intense stuff,
but I've never on a commercial flight, I think, been
through anything. Has the oxygen ever dropped? Have you ever
been on I've never been on an oxygen mask drop situation. No,
So I've never never seen that, although I think it's
(03:38):
someone like you know, in a black Hawk, you're just
gonna crash like there's no oxygen mask to go down.
But this is a story that is gonna get a
lot of people thinking it's the main story in the
New York coast right now. Terrified passengers recall moment of
dramatic drop on deadly Singapore Airlines flight. The longest two
hours of my life is the quote. So this was
(03:59):
a London to Singapore eleven hour flight and clay someone
died from turbulence. Now I'm gonna say I'm always told
and as you all know, you know, my my wife's
dad is a senior airline pilot for one of the
big commercial airlines, and I always ask him. I'm like, hey,
is turbulence a prop Like? Can turbulence take a plane
out of the sky? And the planes they have now
(04:22):
the answers pretty much know. But it turns out turbulence
can be bad enough, as we see in this story,
that you are ejected out of your seat and smash
into the ceiling of the plane to the point where
you could be severely injured or even killed. And that
happened here. So I've always been very anti I'm just
(04:44):
gonna say it. The flight attendant always has to tell
me three times the buck on my seat belt, Like
I'm just like, ah, God, this is so annoying. Why
I just forget to do it. I might have to
start buckling up after this. I gotta tell you, this
is a This is a bit of a cautionary tale.
I think a lot of people clicked as soon as
they saw this story because when I saw somebody died
because of turbulence, I couldn't even understand it. And I'm
(05:07):
like you and that a lot of times, let's say
you get up and go to the bathroom or you know,
the kids are doing something on the plane and you're
trying to manage them. There are lots of times when
I don't have my seat belt on, and I've never
seen turbulence where anybody would even come off the chair
at all. But to go skyrocketing into the ceiling of
an airplane and to break your neck and die. No, No,
(05:31):
he died by the way. He died of a heart
attack because he got so scared. This is different. Yeah,
I thought that where's Ali? Ali told me that he
flew into the ceiling. Well, no, people did. People did
hit the ceiling, but they didn't die. The guy who
died died of a heart attack because the plane plunged
six thousand feet. All right, now, I'm not sure I'm
(05:52):
wearing seatbelts snow either.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I backed him out the seatbelt A was out Ali?
Where is Ali?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I think I might have fat I'm gonna I'm gonna
fall my sword here. Yesterday Ali was texting me because
the last time we were in Milwaukee, if Ali wants
to pull up her mic Ali, how concerned were you
that we were gonna die?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Based on the plane that I had us in.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I don't know if she can talk to you right now. No,
she's not in the studio. She can't talk to you.
She's out pulling clips to make sure we have the
latest news and information.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
There were quote huge dents in the overhead bins from
people flying up and hitting the ceiling, just like I
would imagine.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Bouncing into others. Yeah, imagine if you were trying to
use the bathroom forbid when suddenly you drop six thousand feet.
I would imagine that's a nasty situation in the bathroom
as well. But what do you think is what is scarier?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
The engine catches fire or you get thrown into the
ceiling by turbulence.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I think the engine catching fire, because at least if
there's turbulence, you know that something might be okay if
the I'm telling you when we landed yes late Sunday night,
and I as we were coming in, the entire runway
was lined with fire engines, and I knew that they
had told us if you missed yesterday. They told us, hey,
(07:14):
your landing gear, the brakes are not working right. We
need to be going to an airport that has way
longer of a runway. We landed on the longest runway
at Baltimore, and we came back within about probably one
hundred yards of going off the runway because they couldn't
get everything slowed down. If I looked out the window
(07:34):
and I saw an engine on fire, I would panic.
And I tend to have a pretty high risk tolerance
when it comes to being on an airplane. I always
look at the flight attendants, and if the flight attendants
aren't panicked, then I'm like they know better than anybody.
They're fly around on these planes all the time. And
I also think, I don't know if you noticed this,
(07:55):
it feels to me like a lot of flight attendants
just want to take a flight off and they'll say, oh,
we can't come around for the regularly scheduled beverage delivery,
and they all sit down and get on their phones
and start hanging out for like a two hour flight.
Maybe you bounce around a little bit. Feels like they're
way more cautious about people getting drinks and going around
(08:15):
with the trays and everything else than they used to be.
But this brings me to this crazy situation. Did you
see that they had a Frontier Airlines flight where a
woman was asked in the exit row if she was
willing to open the door and aid and assist the passengers,
and getting off said no, she's only gonna be worried
(08:38):
about herself. It led to an argument and they ended
up having to postpone the flight and remove her from
the flight, which reminds me, first of all, that's crazy,
the wildest thing I think I've ever seen on an
airlane flo airline flight. And I tried to ride exit
row all the time I fly Southwest a lot. Used
to go all the way out to LA.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
And quickly wait, wait, can I pause you for one
second because if we skipped over one important detail here, Okay,
so I don't want to remember what you're about to say.
This is important. I just saw this. The woman who
wouldn't wouldn't in the exit row, who said she would,
she said out loud when they said.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Would you help anybody?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Quote, Oh no, I'm not going to save anybody if
something happens. I'm just going to save myself, which is
just where I call that's what we call too much honesty.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Right now, Well, if this happened on an exit row
Southwest Airlines flight to LA, I would always get in
the exit row because it's basically Southwest Airlines first class,
you get a little bit more space on a four
hour cross country flight. To make a difference. Woman was
sitting next to me. You know, they always say the
flight attendant says, hey, can you you know, look at me,
(09:47):
take your headset off. You have to verbally acknowledged that,
as this woman did not do that, you are understanding
your responsibilities of being.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
And she actually did the opposite, which she was like,
I would leave women and children behind and jump off
this thing solo like she was not helpful.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yes, but this woman sitting next to me when they
got to her, everybody always says, yes, I've been in
the exit row.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Because you want that extra need and legroom. Obviously, this
is like Winston in Ghostbusters. If somebody asks you if
you're a god, you say yes. If somebody asked you
if you want to be the exit row you're gonna help,
you say yes.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
The woman next to me said no, that she didn't
think she could fulfill the exit row requirements. Talk about
brutal honesty, not like an eighty five year old woman, right, probably,
I don't know, forty some odd year old woman. She
said no. It was like a record scratch moment the
flight attendant. Later I asked her, she said no one
had ever said no. Before the flight was full, they
(10:47):
had to go recruit someone who wanted to be in
the exit row that could fulfill the requirement to replace
the lady that said she couldn't do it. I've been
on airline flights my whole wife. I've never seen someone
acknowledge that they couldn't handle the responsibility of the exit row.
So brutal, honest a woman who said here on this
(11:07):
frontier flight that she wouldn't save anybody else, she would
just save herself, which again, like it's way more honesty
than the situation requires.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It's actually pretty amazing. Then she refused to leave when
they said, okay, well you won't do the service that
you must do if you're gonna sit here. So they
had to come on the plane and arrest her. Yeah,
the whole plane had to be deboarded. Could you imagine
Can you imagine being the person who makes everyone get
off the plane? You know, one hundred something people get
off the plane because you say that you're only gonna
(11:38):
save yourself, screw all these other people.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
If there's a cry, don't that is a crazy situation
because you are then obligated to give up the seat
if you're not willing to do the basics on the airplane.
And you know, I don't know what. I've been in
a lot of exit rows. There are a lot of
times when I've looked and thought there's no way you could.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Open the exit row. I I in terms of the donors,
it's pretty heavy. Yeah, child address a lot of people.
Would I mean, first of all, not to be that
guy if something goes that wrong on a plane. Pulling
the exit road door is probably the last of the
problems you're gonna have to deal with because you may
never get the chance.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
The only way it would work is what happened when
they brought all the fire engines out after you landed.
Is if there was a fire on the airline. Oh
you're on the ground.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You should have to be able to basically land and
then it's an emergency evacuation in that right situation, or
you know, they had to do it when you know,
Sully landed in the Hudson River, which is still amazing.
You know, when when you watch that, it's a you know,
very maybe the greatest pilot accomplishment of the twenty first century.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
In terms of airline, there can't be anything even close, right, Yeah,
I think I think that's land on the water and
save everybody's life when the plane is going down. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I mean also, very few people understand that when you
go through I remember we did some we did some
some training in the CIA, and they put like basically
almost they call them beer goggle glasses or something, but
it was too it was so that you couldn't really see.
And this is we're going through doors and handling weapons
and things you couldn't really see very well. And it's
to mimic when your and your heart is pumping super hard.
(13:17):
You lose fine motor skills, get used to being able
to operate only with gross motor skills.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Very few people in a life or debt situation operate
anything anywhere near the way they think they will operate
a lot of people freeze, which one reason why they
also in in in a counter ambush training. For example,
the mantra, I mean, they just they just drill it
into your brain is get off the X. Get off
the X, which is just a way of saying move,
you gotta move. Because what happens to a lot of people.
(13:45):
Is they hear they hear the pop pop pop of
the gunfire. You know, stuff spidering the windshield. Even if
it's bulletproof, you're gonna get some spidering on the glass.
And then they just sit there because they completely freak out.
And that's the worst thing you can do, because you
make your easiest possible target. Exactly if you're a pilot,
you know, and you're about to have to make a
landing like that and you've got the lives of let's say,
(14:06):
one hundred and thirty or one hundred and fifty people
in your hands. I don't know how many people go
on most of these flights. You know, not everybody would
react the way Sully did.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
For damn sure.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
That's that's just the truth. I mean, to be able
to do what he did, so that was a remarkable achievement.
But I guess, I mean, I love it. Clay's like, oh,
the guy didn't die from hitting his head on the ceiling.
So I'm not as concerned about turbulence now. If turbulence
can make you put a dent in the ceiling, I
have a new like respect for how bad turbulence can be.
If it can fling you up into the air and
(14:34):
smash you into the fuselage. Like that's a problem. Yeah,
but I thought he broke his neck, that's way. Like
I thought it was like an exors situation where like
he went to the guy. Yah, very sad he had
a heart attack. But he had a heart attack. Who's
very scared. So that's what that's what ended up happening.
If you have if you have any pilots, one a
way in any of this, by the way, any of
these these two knuckleheads, as Uncle Bill would call us
talking about airline flight stuff, light us up here eight
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was just talking about gross motor versus five motor skills.
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Speaker 1 (16:39):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We're gonna
be joined by our friend Riley Gaines. Got a brand
new book out. As more and more men continue to
win women's championships, Riley will break that down with us
we talked about yesterday Buck in Oregon, the new champion
of the I believe the two hundred of the four hundred,
I can't remember which one is a man pretending to
(16:59):
be a woman, another proud moment in women's athletics. Will
break all that down with Riley, who is in New
York City for the launch of her book Very Cool
and before the show is out, producer Ali will share
with all of you how close she thought she was
to death when I was going to put her with
me in a very small airplane to fly from Milwaukee
(17:20):
to New York City because we were having the discussion
about the craziness of the of the turbulence that killed
a guy and injured a ton of people and made
us for a moment at least contemplate that maybe we
would fast.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
The anxiety from the turbulence killed him. To be more accurate,
I think he had a heart attack. But yes, but
there are other people who were thrown into the ceiling.
Do you buck turn your phone onto plane mode ever
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Speaker 2 (18:57):
Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We are nine
now by our friend Riley Gaines. She's got a new
book out, Swimming Against the Current, fighting for common sense
in the world that has lost its mind. It comes
out today Swimming against the Current because she's a great swimmer,
so that all makes sense. And she's also at OutKick,
which Clay founded. And Riley, thanks for being here with us.
(19:22):
So how how do you think it's going? As people
see you are speaking of college campuses across the country
we've had you want to talk about how some of
that has gone. The left gets very upset when you
say men or men, women are women. These aren't the
same thing. But I'm sure you saw this, this male
track star that was just absolutely annihilating his female competition
because he says he's a woman. Now where does the fact,
(19:45):
Where does the fight stand? Where does the battle stand?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Right now?
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Well, Buck, let me clarify one thing really quick. In
your intro, you said I'm a great swimmer. I call
myself a swimmer. Nowadays, I'd probably drown if I got
in the water.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
But look, I'm very buoyant. That's my for me too.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Now, look, this issue, off course, it's becoming more and
more common.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
It keeps happening at every level.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
We see it at colleges, we see at high schools,
we see it a middle schools, we see it at
elementary schools. This story you're referring to, actually I don't
even know which one, because there were multiple stories this
past week in Track and Field of boys annihilating girls.
We saw it in Washington, we saw it in Oregon.
It's insane, is what it is. But you asked me
where the issue stands. While we keep seeing these negative stories,
(20:34):
I really and truly do believe that the tide is turning.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
I believe every day people are waking up.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Speaking to the story in Oregon we saw for really
the first time again it's the same story. A mediocre
man becomes a record smash. On the women's side, he
won the state championship in the women's two hundred meter dash.
He stands atop the podium and the crowd booed. That
would not have happened two years ago. So I think
(21:01):
it's a telltale sign that people are waking up. People
are understanding that no one is immune to this. Like
I think so many of us thought before, we've seen
the trajectory of this.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Now, Riley, what is the Biden administration? First of all,
congrats on the book. Second, what is the Biden administration
trying to do with the way that they define Title nine,
which could potentially enshrine men pretending to be women in
women's athletics all across the spectrum of competition.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
What are they doing?
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Yeah, it's not even what they're trying to do, Clay,
it's what they have done. The Biden administration has rewritten
They rewrote Title nine. Of course, Title nine was the
federal civil rights law that once prevented sex based discrimination
on educational programs that receive federal funding colleges, YMCAs, things
like that, high schools, even but what they have done,
they have taken this thirty seven word only thirty seven
(21:53):
words and its original implementation in nineteen seventy two with
one word being activity, which I think allowed Title nine
to be what it was most notable for in giving
equal opportunities in sports. Of course a lot broader than that,
but what it's most notable for. They took this thirty
seven word piece of legislation and rewrote it to a
(22:14):
almost half a million word proposal and seventy seven pages long.
Again from thirty seven words, that's insane. But really what
this does is it equates, in a nutshell, it equates
sex to gender identity.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
So instead of sex based.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Protections, now there are protections enshrined by your gender identity.
This now means that men would have full access to bathrooms,
locker rooms, changing spaces this men's means that men can
potentially be housed in dorm rooms with women. This means
that men can now take academic and athletic scholarships away
(22:52):
from women. Your speech would be compelled. So if you
write a professor or a student, if you use the
biologically incorrect pronouns the preferred pronouns of if you don't
use preferred pronouns, then you would be guilty and charged
with sexual harassment under.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
This new rewright.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Not the man parading around your locker room. No to
President Biden, he's said several times, those are some of
the most brave and inspiring people he's ever seen. But
you calling a spade a spade is grounds for sexual harassment.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
It's insane.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
But this is the country, unfortunately, that we are increasingly
forced to live in.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
And we're speaking to Riley Gaines.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
She's got a new book out today, Swimming against the
current rally. If I am correct here, and I say
that thinking that I'm almost always correct, you have put
out their challenges to different people who want a debate
on this issue. Is there anyone who will publicly, anyone
of note who will publicly debate that men do not
have an advantage over women as competitors and athletics like
(23:58):
Has anyone taken you up on this of no ord?
Does everyone just push for the policy and then run
away when you ask for an open exchange of ideas
on it.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
We've made public calls for debate on this show. I
know we've publicly called on Keith Olberman, that guy, we've
publicly called on Megan Rapino. I'll go even further. I
would love to talk with Billy Jean King. What a
more I guess, notable person to talk to on this topic,
given the fact that she's really who we have to
(24:31):
accredit Title nine too. She played in the Battle of
the Sexes and she won and it was this huge feat. Yeah. Well,
now Billy Jen King is actively fighting for male inclusion
into women's sports and women's spaces. No, I've reached out
to CNN, I've reached out to MSNBC, and I've either
gotten no response or they've responded back and said, we're
not going to give you.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
A platform to spread your hate.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
But you know what that tells me. It tells me
that they don't have a rebuttal for anything that I'm saying. Right,
what happened to follow the science?
Speaker 6 (25:00):
They are not. They are certainly not doing that now, Riley.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I encourage everybody to go check out your book and
to share it with their daughters and also their sons,
because I think people increasingly are coming around to how
crazy this is. But I know you saw this. We
shared it at OutKick. One of our writers got Don
Staley to say that a man identifying as a woman
should be able to compete in women's college basketball in
(25:26):
her opinion. We then reach she's the national champion University
of South Carolina women's basketball coach For people who don't know.
OutKick then reached out to fifteen other women's NCUBA Tournament coaches,
in particular, every women's coach that made the sweet sixteen
of the NCUBA Tournament. What does it say that Don
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Staley said yes, men should be able to play? The
other fifteen wouldn't even answer outkicks question. I do think
we're winning this battle, but how much cowardice is They're
still out there?
Speaker 5 (25:59):
It's in every realm where I mean, that's why our nation.
I believe our nation is in decline for several reasons,
one of which we live in a godless society. But
two it's because we have weak week leaders. Again at
every level. We have Week leaders in academia, we have
Week leaders in corporate America, we have week leaders of
course within our government, even our spiritual leaders. So it
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seems are unwilling to take a stand on these these
topics that they have deemed controversial. But let's be very clear,
it is the least controversial thing to say that both
sexes of are deserving of equal opportunities. How in the
world have we reached a point in time where it's
controversial to say that women deserve privacy and areas of undressing.
(26:44):
I mean that would have been common since five years ago.
A DA would have followed a man who goes into
a woman's bathroom into a women's locker room, into that
locker room and arrested him on charges of sexual harassment, voyeurism,
and decent exposure. The list goes on. But now, as
I said, it's deemed brave, we are told we are
the problem if we oppose this, So again the cowardice.
(27:08):
It's incredibly sad because I can guarantee you I really can.
Even speaking for Don Staley.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
I shouldn't say.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Speaking for but I imagine she knows the differences between
men and women. No one would know who Don Staley
was if she wasn't afforded the rights to play women's basketball.
And look, that's not to say she wasn't an incredible athlete.
She obviously had an incredible coaching career. I think her
record the last three years was one hundred and nine
(27:36):
and three. I mean that's unheard of. But she can
be two things at once. A great coach, but also
a sellout, and that's exactly what she's proven herself to be.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Riley Gaines.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Everybody the book Swimming against the current, fighting for common
sense in the world that's lost its mind out today.
Get your copy. Riley Gaines, thank you for doing what
you do. Appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
I appreciate you, guys, so thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Thank you very much. I don't know if you heard.
President Trump apparently appreciates this too. I'm just saying I
saw that he gave a shout out.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
He was trying. He was trying to impress Riley in Lexington,
which not a bad move by him, because she's pretty
popular in Kentucky. And let's be honest, Kentucky Wildcats don't
have a lot of athletic success of late to be celebrating,
particularly in the SEC. They need Riley back. I think
she might be off the mic because that's the only
way I can take it.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Hour no ye, no, no no.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
I'm just waiting to make some common about Rocky Top here, Clay.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
I'm biting my tongue, That's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Hey, you know what, maybe this is your year in
football for the first time in eighty.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
That is what Tennessee fans have said for so long,
next year is our year.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Next year is our year. I'll be waiting, Clay.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I don't know if you guys have ever been a
center party where people started screaming at each other in
a foreign language.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
But that's kind of how I feel. Right Welcome to
the sec Bock.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
This is what it's like November second, neland Stadium.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Clay, We'll see you there.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
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Speaker 1 (30:24):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We got
a bunch of you who want to way in to
finish off the show again. Congrats to Riley Gains for
her new book out. Thanks for joining us. I think
she has had a tremendous impact on all of the
chaos out there as it pertains to the fact that
we've ever had a situation like this. We got a
bunch of callers who want to weigh in on a
(30:46):
variety of different topics, in particular what exactly happened when
it comes to the airline situation. Let's start with Terrence.
What you got for us.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Hei, You guys doubled it.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Appreciate that Mega ditos, Thank you, sir.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
You bet. My background is air force fighters, and then
I got out of the regulars and I threw for
a commercial air carrier for over thirty one years.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
And it's like my father in.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Law, sounds like it. But I stayed in the reserve
for another twenty one. So I had twenty seven in
the military and thirty one and major air carrying through
international my last twenty years. So the thing that people
don't understand, it's like texting when you're driving a car.
The airplanes moving. The airplanes moving at at point eight
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to eighty five mac three hundred knots indicated, and it's moving,
and people get up and they start feeling so comfortable
in their situation that they they lacked the they lacked
the judgment to put their seatbelt times.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, I don't want those people.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
I always get up and move around, has no problem that.
But if the captain has a seatbelt sign on, you
better have your seatbelt sign.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
What's the scariest thing you ever saw as a pilot?
Was there ever a time where you thought, uh, oh,
what would you say? Is the scariest time you ever
had in the cockpit?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Oh? That's when they had a bomb. Somebody sent me
a bomb note up to the cockpit and said there
was a bomb on board this airplane golf at six.
We're on our way to Manchester. And I didn't know
where the six o'clock Chicago times, six o'clock London time
or what.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
So they just gave a note to a flight attendant,
and the flight attendant came up handed it to you,
and it said there was a bomb on the plane.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
No it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
They didn't give it a fight attendant. They put the
note in the laboratory on the mirror, and then they
brought it up to me. I still have a copy
of it anyway, But Turgullans, I've had it severe at
least five times and the autopilot's time. But the airplane's
moving all over the place, and that does throw passengers around.
(32:59):
That's why matter even if it's smooth. Because one time
I had a dodge balloons just south of Lake Michigan,
those those aluminum balloons. I didn't know what it was
until it was passive, but I saw someone coming at
a high rate of speed right on my head and
I did an evasive maneuver and threw some people around.
And it was those stupid balloons of people that go.
(33:22):
You know, so it should be.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I have people ever hit the ceiling because of turbulence
when you were flying.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
No, they've been thrown out of their seats. I have
had friends where they were throwing it and those liquor
carts they were throwing one was stuck up in the
over Yeah, you could believe that those things are yeah
and uh. And the thing other thing is you've got
to be aware that you've got to be cognizant of
your fellow passengers because you could get thrown up in
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the air and land on somebody.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
In her soun terrence, you're you're you're a veteran and
obviously lifetime pilot.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I gotta ask you. It's important question.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
If our man Clay here was let's say everyone in
the plane got knocked out, don't there's some issue and
Clay has to land the plane, and you have cell
phone communication with Clay. Could you talk him through landing
a standard you know, Boeing jetliner? If you were taking
him piece by piece, could you get him to land
the plane?
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Or is everybody toast? Possibly?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
If if he could get the autopilot, we're on and
he could get into auto land if the airplane had
auto land. But to take somebody without auto land, they'll
kill everybody. They may as well just take it straight in.
And he left the torture on. Everybody were on your back,
pull the those straight down and die.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Clay, you got to find that autopilot, my man. That's
a big swig there. Yeah, there's thank you for the call.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Thank you man. Vicki and Florida retired flight attendant. What's
going on? Vicki?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Hi?
Speaker 7 (34:51):
Hi? How are you?
Speaker 1 (34:53):
We're good?
Speaker 2 (34:54):
You feel like I'm about to be told to buckle
up or to put my tray away?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Go ahead?
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (34:59):
Well, I was a flight attendant for seventeen years, starting
back in the seventies through ninety one, I worked for
Eastern Airlines and unfortunately they went out of business. I
have an aeronaucal science degree as well from every Riddle,
and I was a flight attendant instructor for a couple
of years and went to the similar Medical Institute for
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training in Oklahoma. Whether it's still there or not, I'm
not sure, but anyway, I think the question that was
asked earlier is that number one about I think everybody,
first of all, needs to keep their seatbelt on all
times regardless. That is definitely an important feature. And I
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know that people you know, when the seatbelt sign comes off,
that's really just to let people know that they can
get up to use the restroom or move about a
little bit. But that doesn't mean while you're sitting there
you should have your seatbelt on. Second of all, as
I always have and I have always encouraged us with
my kids and everything, is that when you get board
in aircraft, you don't know what airplane it is. You
don't know whether it's a bowling, you don't you don't
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know anything so or an a three hundred whatever. So
I always tell them to review the safety card because
you want to know who your exits are regardless.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
And then Vicky, thank you very Vicky, we're at time,
Thank you very much. I feel like the Dean just
showed up and told me that no, in fact, you
are not allowed to spray shaving cream.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
At your friends in the hallway or whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
You know what I mean, Like, fine, fine, seatbelts are
good for safety on the plane, what about your playing.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I fly back in a little bit. I'm gonna try
to remember to put my air's put my seatbelt.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Vicky's clearly right, and after that story, I'm a little
worri I'm gonna listen to her. I just I feel like,
you know, no more horseplay allowed on the planes?
Speaker 1 (36:46):
All right, fine, tomorrow. And he's about to walk into
the studio. Jim Jordan, congressman from Ohio. We're taping it now,
see you tomorrow,
Third hour, Clay and Buck kicks off.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Now, just bringing up to speed for a moment here
on the Trump trial in New York, defense rest, prosecution rest.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
The jury will get a rest, They're going to be able.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
To hang out for a little bit here, and in
about a week they will start deliberations. I think that's
the latest schedule. They will probably have a verdict for us.
I would assume next week at some point. I don't
think it'll go longer than that, although if it is
heading toward a hung jury and therefore a mistrial, I
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think there's a possibility that it goes on a few
days more than anticipated. One thing I do know that
is possible is people always think there's no way.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
That that's true. It is true.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I've asked friends of mine who are prosecutors and former
judges as well. You know, they can set aside a
jury verdict. I mean a judge can just say, yeah,
I'm going to set aside. A judge can just say
I'm setting aside the jury verdict and do what he
or she pleases, essentially, which gives a sense I think
of how much power a judge actually has now that
would they would have to do that in very rare circumstances,
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because you wouldn't want to be overturned on that and
to be seen to be really abusing your power. But
it is possible a judge can say, oh, yeah, you
guys say not guilty. Yeah, no, I say guilty, And
here's the sentence that a judge can set aside a
jury verdict. I don't think that's going to happen, but
I'm just throwing a buck, and I haven't heard a
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lot of people discuss this. The judge can also say
at the end of all of the case that the
government has not presented its case, they haven't proven it
in any way. No reasonable jury could find a verdict
of guilty and toss it. I think there's actually a
legitimate basis upon which to do that. If we had
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a non left wing partisan judge and this wasn't Trump,
and you just tried to look at the facts, I'm
not sure if you and we haven't been sitting there
every day. So I would love to hear an honest
judge analyt I'm not sure they've proven the case to
it all in terms of Trump's criminality. I think Clay,
if they were bringing this trial, I know Nashville's a
Democrat majority city and Dallas is I think slightly maybe
(02:12):
fifty five percent or something Democrat majority city. But if
you brought it in a red state, I would be
sitting here saying that he is going to be found
not guilty. I agree, because I just think that the
pressure on that jury, they know, it's far less. There's
a far greater likelihood you have people that are pro
Trump who are on the jury than you do in
New York City. I remember New York City is something
(02:33):
like eighty five percent for Biden in the last election.
But we wanted to take a moment to not look
at the imminent fall of the judicial system and possibly
the end of the Republic as we know it, just
saying and look at something that scares us all and
freaks us all out, at least I think it freaks
(02:54):
us all out. And that is turbulence. Now, we've all
been through it. If you've flown on a plane, you've
been through it, and you know that there's the turbulence
that you get and you're like, oh, oh, that was
a little that was a little something, you know, Oh
I felt a little little something going on there. And
then there's a turbulence that goes and goes again and
you look around and you know, you know what I'm
(03:15):
talking about, where people start kind of looking around like
is anyone else freaking out? Because like, this is pretty bad.
I've been through some pretty run on small planes and
on military aircraft. I've been through some really intense stuff,
but I've never on a commercial flight, I think, been
through anything. Has the oxygen ever dropped? Have you ever
been on I've never been on an oxygen mask drop situation. No,
So I've never never seen that, although I think it's
(03:38):
someone like you know, in a black Hawk, you're just
gonna crash like there's no oxygen mask to go down.
But this is a story that is gonna get a
lot of people thinking it's the main story in the
New York coast right now. Terrified passengers recall moment of
dramatic drop on deadly Singapore Airlines flight. The longest two
hours of my life is the quote. So this was
(03:59):
a London to Singapore eleven hour flight and clay someone
died from turbulence. Now I'm gonna say I'm always told
and as you all know, you know, my my wife's
dad is a senior airline pilot for one of the
big commercial airlines, and I always ask him. I'm like, hey,
is turbulence a prop Like? Can turbulence take a plane
out of the sky? And the planes they have now
(04:22):
the answers pretty much know. But it turns out turbulence
can be bad enough, as we see in this story,
that you are ejected out of your seat and smash
into the ceiling of the plane to the point where
you could be severely injured or even killed. And that
happened here. So I've always been very anti I'm just
(04:44):
gonna say it. The flight attendant always has to tell
me three times the buck on my seat belt, Like
I'm just like, ah, God, this is so annoying. Why
I just forget to do it. I might have to
start buckling up after this. I gotta tell you, this
is a This is a bit of a cautionary tale.
I think a lot of people clicked as soon as
they saw this story because when I saw somebody died
because of turbulence, I couldn't even understand it. And I'm
(05:07):
like you and that a lot of times, let's say
you get up and go to the bathroom or you know,
the kids are doing something on the plane and you're
trying to manage them. There are lots of times when
I don't have my seat belt on, and I've never
seen turbulence where anybody would even come off the chair
at all. But to go skyrocketing into the ceiling of
an airplane and to break your neck and die. No, No,
(05:31):
he died by the way. He died of a heart
attack because he got so scared. This is different. Yeah,
I thought that where's Ali? Ali told me that he
flew into the ceiling. Well, no, people did. People did
hit the ceiling, but they didn't die. The guy who
died died of a heart attack because the plane plunged
six thousand feet. All right, now, I'm not sure I'm
(05:52):
wearing seatbelts snow either.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I backed him out the seatbelt A was out Ali?
Where is Ali?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I think I might have fat I'm gonna I'm gonna
fall my sword here. Yesterday Ali was texting me because
the last time we were in Milwaukee, if Ali wants
to pull up her mic Ali, how concerned were you
that we were gonna die?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Based on the plane that I had us in.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I don't know if she can talk to you right now. No,
she's not in the studio. She can't talk to you.
She's out pulling clips to make sure we have the
latest news and information.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
There were quote huge dents in the overhead bins from
people flying up and hitting the ceiling, just like I
would imagine.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Bouncing into others. Yeah, imagine if you were trying to
use the bathroom forbid when suddenly you drop six thousand feet.
I would imagine that's a nasty situation in the bathroom
as well. But what do you think is what is scarier?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
The engine catches fire or you get thrown into the
ceiling by turbulence.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I think the engine catching fire, because at least if
there's turbulence, you know that something might be okay if
the I'm telling you when we landed yes late Sunday night,
and I as we were coming in, the entire runway
was lined with fire engines, and I knew that they
had told us if you missed yesterday. They told us, hey,
(07:14):
your landing gear, the brakes are not working right. We
need to be going to an airport that has way
longer of a runway. We landed on the longest runway
at Baltimore, and we came back within about probably one
hundred yards of going off the runway because they couldn't
get everything slowed down. If I looked out the window
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and I saw an engine on fire, I would panic.
And I tend to have a pretty high risk tolerance
when it comes to being on an airplane. I always
look at the flight attendants, and if the flight attendants
aren't panicked, then I'm like they know better than anybody.
They're fly around on these planes all the time. And
I also think, I don't know if you noticed this,
(07:55):
it feels to me like a lot of flight attendants
just want to take a flight off and they'll say, oh,
we can't come around for the regularly scheduled beverage delivery,
and they all sit down and get on their phones
and start hanging out for like a two hour flight.
Maybe you bounce around a little bit. Feels like they're
way more cautious about people getting drinks and going around
(08:15):
with the trays and everything else than they used to be.
But this brings me to this crazy situation. Did you
see that they had a Frontier Airlines flight where a
woman was asked in the exit row if she was
willing to open the door and aid and assist the passengers,
and getting off said no, she's only gonna be worried
(08:38):
about herself. It led to an argument and they ended
up having to postpone the flight and remove her from
the flight, which reminds me, first of all, that's crazy,
the wildest thing I think I've ever seen on an
airlane flo airline flight. And I tried to ride exit
row all the time I fly Southwest a lot. Used
to go all the way out to LA.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
And quickly wait, wait, can I pause you for one
second because if we skipped over one important detail here, Okay,
so I don't want to remember what you're about to say.
This is important. I just saw this. The woman who
wouldn't wouldn't in the exit row, who said she would,
she said out loud when they said.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Would you help anybody?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Quote, Oh no, I'm not going to save anybody if
something happens. I'm just going to save myself, which is
just where I call that's what we call too much honesty.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Right now, Well, if this happened on an exit row
Southwest Airlines flight to LA, I would always get in
the exit row because it's basically Southwest Airlines first class,
you get a little bit more space on a four
hour cross country flight. To make a difference. Woman was
sitting next to me. You know, they always say the
flight attendant says, hey, can you you know, look at me,
(09:47):
take your headset off. You have to verbally acknowledged that,
as this woman did not do that, you are understanding
your responsibilities of being.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
And she actually did the opposite, which she was like,
I would leave women and children behind and jump off
this thing solo like she was not helpful.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yes, but this woman sitting next to me when they
got to her, everybody always says, yes, I've been in
the exit row.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Because you want that extra need and legroom. Obviously, this
is like Winston in Ghostbusters. If somebody asks you if
you're a god, you say yes. If somebody asked you
if you want to be the exit row you're gonna help,
you say yes.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
The woman next to me said no, that she didn't
think she could fulfill the exit row requirements. Talk about
brutal honesty, not like an eighty five year old woman, right, probably,
I don't know, forty some odd year old woman. She
said no. It was like a record scratch moment the
flight attendant. Later I asked her, she said no one
had ever said no. Before the flight was full, they
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had to go recruit someone who wanted to be in
the exit row that could fulfill the requirement to replace
the lady that said she couldn't do it. I've been
on airline flights my whole wife. I've never seen someone
acknowledge that they couldn't handle the responsibility of the exit row.
So brutal, honest a woman who said here on this
(11:07):
frontier flight that she wouldn't save anybody else, she would
just save herself, which again, like it's way more honesty
than the situation requires.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It's actually pretty amazing. Then she refused to leave when
they said, okay, well you won't do the service that
you must do if you're gonna sit here. So they
had to come on the plane and arrest her. Yeah,
the whole plane had to be deboarded. Could you imagine
Can you imagine being the person who makes everyone get
off the plane? You know, one hundred something people get
off the plane because you say that you're only gonna
(11:38):
save yourself, screw all these other people.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
If there's a cry, don't that is a crazy situation
because you are then obligated to give up the seat
if you're not willing to do the basics on the airplane.
And you know, I don't know what. I've been in
a lot of exit rows. There are a lot of
times when I've looked and thought there's no way you could.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Open the exit row. I I in terms of the donors,
it's pretty heavy. Yeah, child address a lot of people.
Would I mean, first of all, not to be that
guy if something goes that wrong on a plane. Pulling
the exit road door is probably the last of the
problems you're gonna have to deal with because you may
never get the chance.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
The only way it would work is what happened when
they brought all the fire engines out after you landed.
Is if there was a fire on the airline. Oh
you're on the ground.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You should have to be able to basically land and
then it's an emergency evacuation in that right situation, or
you know, they had to do it when you know,
Sully landed in the Hudson River, which is still amazing.
You know, when when you watch that, it's a you know,
very maybe the greatest pilot accomplishment of the twenty first century.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
In terms of airline, there can't be anything even close, right, Yeah,
I think I think that's land on the water and
save everybody's life when the plane is going down. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I mean also, very few people understand that when you
go through I remember we did some we did some
some training in the CIA, and they put like basically
almost they call them beer goggle glasses or something, but
it was too it was so that you couldn't really see.
And this is we're going through doors and handling weapons
and things you couldn't really see very well. And it's
to mimic when your and your heart is pumping super hard.
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You lose fine motor skills, get used to being able
to operate only with gross motor skills.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Very few people in a life or debt situation operate
anything anywhere near the way they think they will operate
a lot of people freeze, which one reason why they
also in in in a counter ambush training. For example,
the mantra, I mean, they just they just drill it
into your brain is get off the X. Get off
the X, which is just a way of saying move,
you gotta move. Because what happens to a lot of people.
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the gunfire. You know, stuff spidering the windshield. Even if
it's bulletproof, you're gonna get some spidering on the glass.
And then they just sit there because they completely freak out.
And that's the worst thing you can do, because you
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you know, and you're about to have to make a
landing like that and you've got the lives of let's say,
(14:06):
one hundred and thirty or one hundred and fifty people
in your hands. I don't know how many people go
on most of these flights. You know, not everybody would
react the way Sully did.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
For damn sure.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
That's that's just the truth. I mean, to be able
to do what he did, so that was a remarkable achievement.
But I guess, I mean, I love it. Clay's like, oh,
the guy didn't die from hitting his head on the ceiling.
So I'm not as concerned about turbulence now. If turbulence
can make you put a dent in the ceiling, I
have a new like respect for how bad turbulence can be.
If it can fling you up into the air and
(14:34):
smash you into the fuselage. Like that's a problem. Yeah,
but I thought he broke his neck, that's way. Like
I thought it was like an exors situation where like
he went to the guy. Yah, very sad he had
a heart attack. But he had a heart attack. Who's
very scared. So that's what that's what ended up happening.
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Speaker 1 (16:39):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We're gonna
be joined by our friend Riley Gaines. Got a brand
new book out. As more and more men continue to
win women's championships, Riley will break that down with us
we talked about yesterday Buck in Oregon, the new champion
of the I believe the two hundred of the four hundred,
I can't remember which one is a man pretending to
(16:59):
be a woman, another proud moment in women's athletics. Will
break all that down with Riley, who is in New
York City for the launch of her book Very Cool
and before the show is out, producer Ali will share
with all of you how close she thought she was
to death when I was going to put her with
me in a very small airplane to fly from Milwaukee
(17:20):
to New York City because we were having the discussion
about the craziness of the of the turbulence that killed
a guy and injured a ton of people and made
us for a moment at least contemplate that maybe we
would fast.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
The anxiety from the turbulence killed him. To be more accurate,
I think he had a heart attack. But yes, but
there are other people who were thrown into the ceiling.
Do you buck turn your phone onto plane mode ever
when you were on an airplane flight to neither confirm
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Speaker 2 (18:57):
Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We are nine
now by our friend Riley Gaines. She's got a new
book out, Swimming Against the Current, fighting for common sense
in the world that has lost its mind. It comes
out today Swimming against the Current because she's a great swimmer,
so that all makes sense. And she's also at OutKick,
which Clay founded. And Riley, thanks for being here with us.
(19:22):
So how how do you think it's going? As people
see you are speaking of college campuses across the country
we've had you want to talk about how some of
that has gone. The left gets very upset when you
say men or men, women are women. These aren't the
same thing. But I'm sure you saw this, this male
track star that was just absolutely annihilating his female competition
because he says he's a woman. Now where does the fact,
(19:45):
Where does the fight stand? Where does the battle stand?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Right now?
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Well, Buck, let me clarify one thing really quick. In
your intro, you said I'm a great swimmer. I call
myself a swimmer. Nowadays, I'd probably drown if I got
in the water.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
But look, I'm very buoyant. That's my for me too.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Now, look, this issue, off course, it's becoming more and
more common.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
It keeps happening at every level.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
We see it at colleges, we see at high schools,
we see it a middle schools, we see it at
elementary schools. This story you're referring to, actually I don't
even know which one, because there were multiple stories this
past week in Track and Field of boys annihilating girls.
We saw it in Washington, we saw it in Oregon.
It's insane, is what it is. But you asked me
where the issue stands. While we keep seeing these negative stories,
(20:34):
I really and truly do believe that the tide is turning.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
I believe every day people are waking up.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Speaking to the story in Oregon we saw for really
the first time again it's the same story. A mediocre
man becomes a record smash. On the women's side, he
won the state championship in the women's two hundred meter dash.
He stands atop the podium and the crowd booed. That
would not have happened two years ago. So I think
(21:01):
it's a telltale sign that people are waking up. People
are understanding that no one is immune to this. Like
I think so many of us thought before, we've seen
the trajectory of this.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Now, Riley, what is the Biden administration? First of all,
congrats on the book. Second, what is the Biden administration
trying to do with the way that they define Title nine,
which could potentially enshrine men pretending to be women in
women's athletics all across the spectrum of competition.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
What are they doing?
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Yeah, it's not even what they're trying to do, Clay,
it's what they have done. The Biden administration has rewritten
They rewrote Title nine. Of course, Title nine was the
federal civil rights law that once prevented sex based discrimination
on educational programs that receive federal funding colleges, YMCAs, things
like that, high schools, even but what they have done,
they have taken this thirty seven word only thirty seven
(21:53):
words and its original implementation in nineteen seventy two with
one word being activity, which I think allowed Title nine
to be what it was most notable for in giving
equal opportunities in sports. Of course a lot broader than that,
but what it's most notable for. They took this thirty
seven word piece of legislation and rewrote it to a
(22:14):
almost half a million word proposal and seventy seven pages long.
Again from thirty seven words, that's insane. But really what
this does is it equates, in a nutshell, it equates
sex to gender identity.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
So instead of sex based.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Protections, now there are protections enshrined by your gender identity.
This now means that men would have full access to bathrooms,
locker rooms, changing spaces this men's means that men can
potentially be housed in dorm rooms with women. This means
that men can now take academic and athletic scholarships away
(22:52):
from women. Your speech would be compelled. So if you
write a professor or a student, if you use the
biologically incorrect pronouns the preferred pronouns of if you don't
use preferred pronouns, then you would be guilty and charged
with sexual harassment under.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
This new rewright.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Not the man parading around your locker room. No to
President Biden, he's said several times, those are some of
the most brave and inspiring people he's ever seen. But
you calling a spade a spade is grounds for sexual harassment.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
It's insane.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
But this is the country, unfortunately, that we are increasingly
forced to live in.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
And we're speaking to Riley Gaines.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
She's got a new book out today, Swimming against the
current rally. If I am correct here, and I say
that thinking that I'm almost always correct, you have put
out their challenges to different people who want a debate
on this issue. Is there anyone who will publicly, anyone
of note who will publicly debate that men do not
have an advantage over women as competitors and athletics like
(23:58):
Has anyone taken you up on this of no ord?
Does everyone just push for the policy and then run
away when you ask for an open exchange of ideas
on it.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
We've made public calls for debate on this show. I
know we've publicly called on Keith Olberman, that guy, we've
publicly called on Megan Rapino. I'll go even further. I
would love to talk with Billy Jean King. What a
more I guess, notable person to talk to on this topic,
given the fact that she's really who we have to
(24:31):
accredit Title nine too. She played in the Battle of
the Sexes and she won and it was this huge feat. Yeah. Well,
now Billy Jen King is actively fighting for male inclusion
into women's sports and women's spaces. No, I've reached out
to CNN, I've reached out to MSNBC, and I've either
gotten no response or they've responded back and said, we're
not going to give you.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
A platform to spread your hate.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
But you know what that tells me. It tells me
that they don't have a rebuttal for anything that I'm saying. Right,
what happened to follow the science?
Speaker 6 (25:00):
They are not. They are certainly not doing that now, Riley.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I encourage everybody to go check out your book and
to share it with their daughters and also their sons,
because I think people increasingly are coming around to how
crazy this is. But I know you saw this. We
shared it at OutKick. One of our writers got Don
Staley to say that a man identifying as a woman
should be able to compete in women's college basketball in
(25:26):
her opinion. We then reach she's the national champion University
of South Carolina women's basketball coach For people who don't know.
OutKick then reached out to fifteen other women's NCUBA Tournament coaches,
in particular, every women's coach that made the sweet sixteen
of the NCUBA Tournament. What does it say that Don
(25:49):
Staley said yes, men should be able to play? The
other fifteen wouldn't even answer outkicks question. I do think
we're winning this battle, but how much cowardice is They're
still out there?
Speaker 5 (25:59):
It's in every realm where I mean, that's why our nation.
I believe our nation is in decline for several reasons,
one of which we live in a godless society. But
two it's because we have weak week leaders. Again at
every level. We have Week leaders in academia, we have
Week leaders in corporate America, we have week leaders of
course within our government, even our spiritual leaders. So it
(26:20):
seems are unwilling to take a stand on these these
topics that they have deemed controversial. But let's be very clear,
it is the least controversial thing to say that both
sexes of are deserving of equal opportunities. How in the
world have we reached a point in time where it's
controversial to say that women deserve privacy and areas of undressing.
(26:44):
I mean that would have been common since five years ago.
A DA would have followed a man who goes into
a woman's bathroom into a women's locker room, into that
locker room and arrested him on charges of sexual harassment, voyeurism,
and decent exposure. The list goes on. But now, as
I said, it's deemed brave, we are told we are
the problem if we oppose this, So again the cowardice.
(27:08):
It's incredibly sad because I can guarantee you I really can.
Even speaking for Don Staley.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
I shouldn't say.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Speaking for but I imagine she knows the differences between
men and women. No one would know who Don Staley
was if she wasn't afforded the rights to play women's basketball.
And look, that's not to say she wasn't an incredible athlete.
She obviously had an incredible coaching career. I think her
record the last three years was one hundred and nine
(27:36):
and three. I mean that's unheard of. But she can
be two things at once. A great coach, but also
a sellout, and that's exactly what she's proven herself to be.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Riley Gaines.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Everybody the book Swimming against the current, fighting for common
sense in the world that's lost its mind out today.
Get your copy. Riley Gaines, thank you for doing what
you do. Appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
I appreciate you, guys, so thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Thank you very much. I don't know if you heard.
President Trump apparently appreciates this too. I'm just saying I
saw that he gave a shout out.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
He was trying. He was trying to impress Riley in Lexington,
which not a bad move by him, because she's pretty
popular in Kentucky. And let's be honest, Kentucky Wildcats don't
have a lot of athletic success of late to be celebrating,
particularly in the SEC. They need Riley back. I think
she might be off the mic because that's the only
way I can take it.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Hour no ye, no, no no.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
I'm just waiting to make some common about Rocky Top here, Clay.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
I'm biting my tongue, That's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Hey, you know what, maybe this is your year in
football for the first time in eighty.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
That is what Tennessee fans have said for so long,
next year is our year.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Next year is our year. I'll be waiting, Clay.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I don't know if you guys have ever been a
center party where people started screaming at each other in
a foreign language.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
But that's kind of how I feel. Right Welcome to
the sec Bock.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
This is what it's like November second, neland Stadium.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Clay, We'll see you there.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
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Speaker 1 (30:24):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We got
a bunch of you who want to way in to
finish off the show again. Congrats to Riley Gains for
her new book out. Thanks for joining us. I think
she has had a tremendous impact on all of the
chaos out there as it pertains to the fact that
we've ever had a situation like this. We got a
bunch of callers who want to weigh in on a
(30:46):
variety of different topics, in particular what exactly happened when
it comes to the airline situation. Let's start with Terrence.
What you got for us.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Hei, You guys doubled it.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Appreciate that Mega ditos, Thank you, sir.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
You bet. My background is air force fighters, and then
I got out of the regulars and I threw for
a commercial air carrier for over thirty one years.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
And it's like my father in.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Law, sounds like it. But I stayed in the reserve
for another twenty one. So I had twenty seven in
the military and thirty one and major air carrying through
international my last twenty years. So the thing that people
don't understand, it's like texting when you're driving a car.
The airplanes moving. The airplanes moving at at point eight
(31:40):
to eighty five mac three hundred knots indicated, and it's moving,
and people get up and they start feeling so comfortable
in their situation that they they lacked the they lacked
the judgment to put their seatbelt times.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, I don't want those people.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
I always get up and move around, has no problem that.
But if the captain has a seatbelt sign on, you
better have your seatbelt sign.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
What's the scariest thing you ever saw as a pilot?
Was there ever a time where you thought, uh, oh,
what would you say? Is the scariest time you ever
had in the cockpit?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Oh? That's when they had a bomb. Somebody sent me
a bomb note up to the cockpit and said there
was a bomb on board this airplane golf at six.
We're on our way to Manchester. And I didn't know
where the six o'clock Chicago times, six o'clock London time
or what.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
So they just gave a note to a flight attendant,
and the flight attendant came up handed it to you,
and it said there was a bomb on the plane.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
No it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
They didn't give it a fight attendant. They put the
note in the laboratory on the mirror, and then they
brought it up to me. I still have a copy
of it anyway, But Turgullans, I've had it severe at
least five times and the autopilot's time. But the airplane's
moving all over the place, and that does throw passengers around.
(32:59):
That's why matter even if it's smooth. Because one time
I had a dodge balloons just south of Lake Michigan,
those those aluminum balloons. I didn't know what it was
until it was passive, but I saw someone coming at
a high rate of speed right on my head and
I did an evasive maneuver and threw some people around.
And it was those stupid balloons of people that go.
(33:22):
You know, so it should be.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I have people ever hit the ceiling because of turbulence
when you were flying.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
No, they've been thrown out of their seats. I have
had friends where they were throwing it and those liquor
carts they were throwing one was stuck up in the
over Yeah, you could believe that those things are yeah
and uh. And the thing other thing is you've got
to be aware that you've got to be cognizant of
your fellow passengers because you could get thrown up in
(33:49):
the air and land on somebody.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
In her soun terrence, you're you're you're a veteran and
obviously lifetime pilot.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I gotta ask you. It's important question.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
If our man Clay here was let's say everyone in
the plane got knocked out, don't there's some issue and
Clay has to land the plane, and you have cell
phone communication with Clay. Could you talk him through landing
a standard you know, Boeing jetliner? If you were taking
him piece by piece, could you get him to land
the plane?
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Or is everybody toast? Possibly?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
If if he could get the autopilot, we're on and
he could get into auto land if the airplane had
auto land. But to take somebody without auto land, they'll
kill everybody. They may as well just take it straight in.
And he left the torture on. Everybody were on your back,
pull the those straight down and die.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Clay, you got to find that autopilot, my man. That's
a big swig there. Yeah, there's thank you for the call.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Thank you man. Vicki and Florida retired flight attendant. What's
going on? Vicki?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Hi?
Speaker 7 (34:51):
Hi? How are you?
Speaker 1 (34:53):
We're good?
Speaker 2 (34:54):
You feel like I'm about to be told to buckle
up or to put my tray away?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Go ahead?
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (34:59):
Well, I was a flight attendant for seventeen years, starting
back in the seventies through ninety one, I worked for
Eastern Airlines and unfortunately they went out of business. I
have an aeronaucal science degree as well from every Riddle,
and I was a flight attendant instructor for a couple
of years and went to the similar Medical Institute for
(35:22):
training in Oklahoma. Whether it's still there or not, I'm
not sure, but anyway, I think the question that was
asked earlier is that number one about I think everybody,
first of all, needs to keep their seatbelt on all
times regardless. That is definitely an important feature. And I
(35:43):
know that people you know, when the seatbelt sign comes off,
that's really just to let people know that they can
get up to use the restroom or move about a
little bit. But that doesn't mean while you're sitting there
you should have your seatbelt on. Second of all, as
I always have and I have always encouraged us with
my kids and everything, is that when you get board
in aircraft, you don't know what airplane it is. You
don't know whether it's a bowling, you don't you don't
(36:05):
know anything so or an a three hundred whatever. So
I always tell them to review the safety card because
you want to know who your exits are regardless.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
And then Vicky, thank you very Vicky, we're at time,
Thank you very much. I feel like the Dean just
showed up and told me that no, in fact, you
are not allowed to spray shaving cream.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
At your friends in the hallway or whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
You know what I mean, Like, fine, fine, seatbelts are
good for safety on the plane, what about your playing.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I fly back in a little bit. I'm gonna try
to remember to put my air's put my seatbelt.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Vicky's clearly right, and after that story, I'm a little
worri I'm gonna listen to her. I just I feel like,
you know, no more horseplay allowed on the planes?
Speaker 1 (36:46):
All right, fine, tomorrow. And he's about to walk into
the studio. Jim Jordan, congressman from Ohio. We're taping it now,
see you tomorrow,
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