May 20, 2024 • 33 mins
Rick Pamplin, writer and director of the film 'Burt Reynolds: The Last Interview,' joins Tudor to discuss the state of Hollywood and the importance of storytelling. They explore how Hollywood has changed over time and the impact of woke culture on the industry. They also discuss the fascination with Burt Reynolds and his relationship with Quentin Tarantino. Pamplin emphasizes the need to take back the culture and the importance of films that promote values and inspire audiences. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm excited today because
we have talked quite a bit about woke Hollywood, woke Disney,
woke this, woke that. And I found a guy who
is someone who spent a lot of time in Hollywood
and realized that Hollywood is kind of falling apart. And
I think we've all seen this, but he created a film,
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recently produced a film called Burt Reynolds The Last Interview.
And I watched this documentary and I found it was
so fascinating to hear the way Burt Reynolds had kind
of his career, had kind of moved from Florida to
New York to Hollywood and that manifestation and how Hollywood
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has changed over time, and Rick captured it perfectly. So
Rick Pamplin, he is with me today. He is the
writer and director who recently released this film, Burt Reynolds
The Last Interview. Rick, thank you for being here.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Thank you very much, Tutor. You know I'm a huge fan.
Bless you, your followers, your family, and all the great
people of Michigan which helped raise me. I was born
and raised in Michigan. I started my career in Michigan.
So I'm always very interested in the state of Michigan,
and I just I'm very honored to be with you today.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well, thank you. And I learned that Burt Reynolds was
born in Michigan.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Absolutely, he's Lansing.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
That was I didn't know that. So that was fascinating
to me. And he was kind of one of those
rough and tumble guys that I grew up with watching
him on TV and watching him in the movies, and
I just I wanted to watch this film because I
didn't know that much about him, and I honestly, I
think everybody is sort of fascinated by Hollywood and the
behind the scenes. And you had Quentin Tarantino in the film,
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that's also been someone that you kind of follow in
You're like, he's had some really strange movies that had
become crazy hits, you know, kind of these cult following movies.
But Burt Reynolds was the same. And just that connection
I didn't even know that was there. What made you
say to interview him, because he's not an easy guy
to interview.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Well, what was interesting? First of all, I want to
say one thing about the film. Burt Reynolds and Quentin Tarantino,
along with some other close associates of Bert, makeup sort
of this film about Bert and his life in Florida
and how he spent the last thirty years of his
life outside of Hollywood, the real Burt Reynolds. But a
lot of people have said to me exactly what you
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said to especially women. They said, you know, I kind
of liked Burt Reynolds, but after your movie, I really
got to know him and I love him now. I
really love the guy. And you know, I understand what
you're saying about Quentin, who was my new best friend.
But Quinton graciously agreed to do the film because he
loved Burt so much, and I did this interview with him.
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And I've had so many people say to me, you know,
I'm sometimes I'm a little turned off by the violence
and Quentin's films, but oh my god, I loved him
in your movie. So as a filmmaker, I'm a real
documentary filmmaker. I'm not a made up you know, political
agenda Woe Hollywood guy. I don't. I just was in
search of the real Burt Reynolds. And I love the
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fact that I show people like Quentin Tarantino are Burt
Reynolds in the real light of who.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
They are right now. I think that he's a genius.
I mean, like I said, some of these movies will
forever be like ingrained in our vocabulary. I mean, there
are times when people will come to me and be like,
what is that. I'm like, I don't know. I think
it's Marcellus Wallace's soul. You know, It's like those memories
of movies stick with you forever and you they just
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become a part of you. And he's one of those
guys that created movies that, as like I said, as
crazy and violent and different as they are, they have
become a part of life. And he became a part
of Hollywood that I don't think any of us really understood.
But to watch him and you're right to see that
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side of him where he was talking about Burt, in
that relationship that he had in and wanting to be
wanting to get to know him and get close to him,
and those even the last few days where he's like,
you know, we got to see him read this part
that he actually would never end up performing. But the
legend of Burt Reynolds. To see that Quentin Tarantino, who
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I grew up with and thinking like this guy is
some sort of a master at creating art and movies.
You know, him to have this great like respect for
Burt Reynolds, and at the end of his life those
last few days to say, there was no I had
no idea that he would be gone, because they obviously
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felt that he was this icon.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, yeah, I think Bert knew when we did the interview.
You know, I'll just tell you just real quick and
then I'll answer your other question. But when we did
the interview, it was supposed to be I was doing
a film about how to help people tell their stories
and raise money to make in the ben At films.
That's what the movie was about. And you know, we
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kept trying to get Bert. Bert had been very ill,
and we shot for five weeks, and the last day
of the last week, we got a call that Bert
would talk to us for fifteen minutes if we would
come to his film school. And I'm fine, right, So
we went to his film school and Bert came in.
(05:25):
He couldn't walk, he had to have out walking and
he sat down and I asked him about and all
this is in the movie, and I asked him about well,
you know, film finance. Because I don't know anything about it.
I wouldn't be good at it. So it's like, okay, great,
that's a right up. Thanks Bert. You know I pursued
Burbenthos my whole life, and so what happened was I
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remembered when I was a kid in school in Michigan
reading The Catcher and the Rye and now holding Crawfield,
and the book said, you know, if these kids would
get up and talk about their book reports and they
could go into these stories about their uncle and it
was more interesting than the book, and the teacher would
say no, no, no, stay on topic. And I always
wanted to hear the other story. And I thought I
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chased Bert mentals my entire life. I was a kid
in Flint, Michigan who bought a ticket and win saw
a movie called Deliverance, and I was like, oh my god,
this guy is just an amazing That movie really affected
me as a teenager. And then I went to Hollywood
and I had a film project with Burt and Sally
Field that I pursued, and we had William Morris and
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all these big agencies, and we got very close. And
then I moved to Florida, and it so happened. Burt
lived down the road, and several times I went to
meet Burt. He never showed up. He had this museum,
you know, acting school whatever. And then one night he
came over. I had a birthday celebration and the owner
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of the restaurant was very good friends with Burt and
sat me next to Burt, and then Burt came over
and wished me happy birthday. So there was all these
little things. I originally, many years ago, I was the original,
one of the original creators of Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling.
So I lived in Las Vegas and we were shooting
the show, and there was a comedian at the Riviera Hotel,
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Joey Villa, and he says, Hey, have you ever met Bert?
I said, well, not really. He said, I just got
cast in this movie called Heat that Burt Reynolds is shooting.
You want to take me to the set. It's a
night shoot, and you want to go with me, you
can meet Burt. I'm like, hey, I'm all in. So
we go to this location in Las Vegas and I'm
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with Joey Villa, the comedian who was the headliner the
Splash Show, at the rivera hotel. He's going to do
this part in this movie. And there's like police officers
and there's you know, people with cameras and you know,
ropes keeping fans back, and there's ambulance citizen police cars.
And I'm like, wow, this, you know, it's like a
Frederico Fellini movie. You know, it's like, what is this?
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I guess this is a Burt Reynolds set. And then
they pull this guy out on a stretcher and he's
like oh, and I'm like, who's that And they're putting
him in the air. They go that's the director and
I was like, well, what happened? Well, Bert just punched
him out.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Oh my gosh. We told a story in the film
that's similar to that with his father.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
So we go to the set and you know, Joe,
he's like, oh, do you want to meet Bert. I'm like,
not right now, Let's give it a little time. I'm
six four and a big gun. I go to the
far wall behind the camera operator and I put my
back against the wall. I was like, this probably isn't
the night to talk to Bert. So anyway, there was
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a very famous incident and the guy sued and Bert
had to pay money. He mentions if we talk about
it in the movie. But Bert was a bigger than
life character. I pursued Burt Reynolds my entire life. So
when I'm sitting there and he goes, I have no interest,
I don't know anything about fundraising, and I'm sitting there
with three camera is my crew, all of his students.
(09:02):
I thought about holding Cawfield and the catcher in the ride.
I thought, you know, we're just gonna talk. I don't care.
And so I believe Burt knew he was at the
end of his life. He'd been very ill, he couldn't walk,
and so we talked. The fifteen minute interview became an
hour and fifteen minutes. So when he died, we heard
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from magazines, tabloids. People offered us one hundred thousand dollars
cash just to have snips of the interview. And I'm like, no,
I don't want to do that. I don't want to
do that. And we had given money ownership of our
first film, the one that Bert was in, to the
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Burt Mental Scholarship, which he helps, you know, young film
students in Florida, And so we sat on it for
about two years and one day my editor called me
and he said, hey, Rick, if you looked at the
Burt and it was footage, he said, I said no.
He says, I went in to do a little teaser thing,
and he said, I was mesrized. I watched the interview
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and I said, well, could you just do an assembly
of it with time code and no color correction send
it to me. And of course everybody sat down and
watched it, and we cried like babies because Bert was
gone and it was so moving, and I got this idea.
I said, we should just unedited, unscript uncensored, we should
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make we should build a movie around this, and I
should go like Citizen Kane in search of the real
Burt Reynolds, and we should wrap it around this interview.
So that was the genesis. It took us literally the
quickest we've ever raised money. It took about three days
to get the funding, and it took us forty eight
hours to get a contract with a distributor. It was
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the quickest any movies ever come together. But I didn't
want people to exploit Burt or take clips out of context,
which is what our world is right.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Now, right absolutely well, And I thought It was interesting
because during the interview he says something about someone just
got a bad impression of me, and even today, I
have to go and I have to fix this now.
And you could tell he was very upset by this,
and I thought that was fascinating because here's a guy who,
of course has gone through everything, he's been a public
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figure his whole life, and yet still he's fighting these attacks.
And I think that's something that you would say, that's
kind of Hollywood crumbling. It's no longer about storytelling and
taking yourself out of it. He was a master of
teaching people to behave in a certain way. That art
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and acting was behaving and showing some becoming the person.
And yet today we see Hollywood instead of taking us
to another world, Hollywood is now striking and most of
the times our favorite actors are out there telling us
how bad we are. We're used to seeing what the
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art they create, not their own personal opinions. And I
could see he was sort of he was sort of
alluding to the fact that things had gotten rough in
the world.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, he was very unhappy with the state of the
movie business. He was happy that Quinton had called and
he went out and he did the table read with
Brad Pitt, Leonardo DiCaprio and all that, because he was
going to be back in a big, a list picture,
but he was very discouraged by the business and the
deeper issue for me, you know, I believe God put
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us together at the end of his life, and I
believe one of it. The people closest to Bert said
to me recently, he said, this is the perfect last
movie for Burt Reynolds, because Bert would be so proud
of what you've done with the film that you didn't
censor it or edit it or exploit Burt. And you're
giving money to the scholarship fund, which we're doing out
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of the second film as well. But my bigger issue, Tutor,
and you get this in your audience gets what is
the garbage we're producing in Hollywood that's going into children's minds?
Right this, this terrifies me. When I was a kid
growing up in Michigan, Okay, Hollywood and movies, I don't
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care if it was Jimmy Stewart, I don't care. You know,
Henry Fonda, You know I learned how to be a
man at the movies. You know, I learned how to
be a moral person, and there was an underlying Judeo
Christian value to motion pictures and they weren't evil. And
you know, I have movie paths and I go to
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the movie theaters at least once a week. I can't
even find a decent film.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Hap No, I know, it's weird. That's my mom. So
that used to be our thing, was my mom and dad.
We used to go to the movies every Friday night
after school. I would spend the night with my parents
going to the movies. And we just loved movies. Loved them.
I loved the idea being transported to another place and
just getting immersed inous story. And I loved the whole
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movie theater aspect and eating the popcorn, the smells, everything.
It was fantastic. And I feel like I can't share
that with my kids because there's just nothing nothing.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Well. I know your show is political, and I love that,
and I love you, and I endorsed you and campaigned
for you, and we support you completely and we think
your message in this podcast is very important. But I
want to say something to your viewers. If we don't
take back the culture, we want nothing.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Oh yeah, us.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
We must not only take back our country and protect
the constitution and individual rights and free speech and all
of those wonderful things. But we have to win the
culture war because that's the next generation. And when I
was a kid, I watched the Andy Griffin Show. When
I was a kid, I watched movies that inspired me,
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movies that made me who I was. And I'm not
saying that. Like Burt says in our movie, there's dark
places you can go to, there's themes that you can explore.
But the point is people are good. America is great,
and we're losing it. The propaganda and the whop nonsense
it's coming out of Hollywood. They're not making any money.
(15:15):
Nobody's watching the omeric shows. The theaters are empty. They're
making product that promotes an agenda, like you've called out
on your podcast, Disney, They're making a product that is
political that nobody wants.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. There was a movie, and now
I can't remember what it was called. It was just
last year, I think, or maybe two years ago, and
it was two men that fell in love and ended
up getting married, and nobody watched it. And it was
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funny that you say what you say, because at the time,
we had someone working with us on the campaign who's gay,
and he said, why would they make that movie? And
I said, well, why would you say that? Like I
would think that movie would appeal to you. And he
was like, really, because women love the sappy rom com
love story. Men don't want to go see it, So
why would you make a movie about two men Because
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women are never going to go see the movie about
two men and men don't care about the sappy romance story.
And I'm like, that's so funny because I would never
have thought about that. But you make a great point.
Hollywood is making movies we don't want to consume, and
so they're giving I mean, it's to me, it's kind
of like evs. You know, we're being forced to buy
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electric vehicles and none of us want electric vehicles. Hollywood
is giving us films that we don't want to immerse
ourselves in and we're not interested in that doesn't appeal
to us. And there is just a reality that these
films are failing for a reason that's not the audience.
You know, you have to create something that has an audience,
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something that has a consumer base and right now they're not. However,
I will say they are. They're genius about getting into
our kids' heads. And so we have all the streaming
and our kids can watch anything right at their fingertips.
Right My kids are like, what are commercials? Why did
you have to deal with that? They have no idea
what it's like to wait for the next episode for
a week. You know, that's just not part of their life.
(17:15):
They just binge watch a TV show. And if you're
not carefully watching, these shows are all about hating adults.
You're there's no or there's no adult in the home
for some reason. Kids are raising themselves, or they're going
to school and they're throwing things at the principle and
tying them up in the gym. I mean, it's just
outrageous what's happening in our culture today.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Absolutely, and you know, I worry about this a lot,
and as a filmmaker, I find I find myself being
extra careful to try. Look, first of all, I want
all voices to be heard. I want all voices to
be heard. And if if if the other side was
restricting free speech and centrat i'd be I'd be against that.
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I'm an in depended. Okay, I have very strong political feelings.
I vote all the time, but I want free speech.
I want all voices heard. But I also you know,
Christians are being villainized in motion pictures. And you know,
I did what I mentioned earlier one of my early
successes when I was a kid starting off, I did
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this show called Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling, and there were
thirty six female characters in the show. And I wrote
what is called the Bible, not my word, their word,
which was the biographies, and I cast these women and whatever.
And so we had a character. We had this wrestling team,
Spike and Chainsaw, and this character they were having parody
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of a heavy Metals, you know, sisters, and they would
go around with a live chainsaw. So we'd have the cheerleaders,
you know, and then they take this chainsaw and they
cut the pom poms as they were doing the cheers,
and they would run around in a live show with
the chainsaw. And that wasn't a real chain so we
had Rubbert, you know, a rubber blade thing on it.
But that was okay for a syndicated television show. But
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one time we wrote something and we said Jesus Christ
and standards and practices came back to me and said, no,
you can say Jesus in a derogatory way, that Jesus.
But you this was in the eighties, you might not say. So.
We can have a chainsaw cutting people's body parts up
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in a children's TV show, which is what Gorgeous Lady's
Wrestling was on Saturday mornings, but you can't say the
word Jesus Christ in a favorable way. So how do
you fight going on pardon?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
How do you fight that?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Well, you have to do what you're doing. You have
to take to the airways. You have to organize people,
You have to educate people. You have to say, look,
go watch Burt Reynolds, Go watch films that have values
that mean something and that don't don't pander to this wokeism.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
You know, it's almost so like the people in Hollywood
have absorbed this. And I could tell even You asked
him an interesting question, you said, do you think that
this was your acting skill? Was a gift from God?
And he took a long time to answer, and they said, no,
it was a gift from man. I had a man
who taught me, and I learned, and I wondered if
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that meant he was not a man of faith, or
if that was him kind of protecting that because he
knows that's not a popular conversation in Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
It just was.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
It just really struck me because as a Christian, you know, yes,
we believe that our gifts come from God, but you
do grow up in a culture in LA that is very,
very I guess, atheist, and you're not even allowed to
speak about Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I did a Christian television show with a live audience,
and I was promoting another movie and I called a
Hollywood pagan Wood and the audience went crazy, and it
was the New Jim Baker Show. It was all over
the world. And my son called me up and he said, Dad, Dad,
he said, you just ruined your career. You can't call
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Hollywood pagan Wood. And I've been calling him pagan Wood
every since, and my career is doing just fine. But
the truth is, you know, when I left Hollywood, I
went to Universal Studios in Orlando, and I was kind
of fed up with the LA lifestyle. My son was
I think five years old at the time, and I
didn't want him growing up in that culture. And I
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had a family situation where I needed to take care
of my mother. So, being the good son, I came
to Florida. I fell in love with Florida. I interviewed
with Disney and Universal. Universal had a better situation, and
so I was at Universal Studios from well a number
of years, from nineteen ninety four to two thousand and eight,
and they kept going in a wrong direction. Halloween, horror nights,
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you know, all of this glory of cation of things.
I just wasn't comfortable. So I decided to become an independent.
But I've made a living in my movie company. This
is our thirtieth year. I've been able. We don't have
any debt, we have perfect credit. We have movies in
the marketplace. And I've made a movie about jag Or Hoover.
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I've made movies about subjects that interested me, the real
jagg Er Hoover, not the bake one. And by the way,
that movie Hoover, I'll just show you real quickly. With
Ernest borgnine, we opened in theaters there you can see it.
We opened in theaters and Google play just picked it
up and YouTube movies just picked it up.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
So that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
If you make films with different perspectives, but they're well
made films. You can reach an audience. And that film,
you know, which is decades old, mister borgnine has passed on,
has reached tons of and I've had FBI people call me,
and I've had all kinds of people say, oh my god,
thank god you told the truth because Jaker Hoover was
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a great patriot and all of the smears and all
of the stuff to ruining isn't true. We prove it.
And by the way, I'm not giving it away. But
at the very end of the movie, because of my movie,
the New York Times was forced to retract and it's
in my movie some of the things they had published
about Jake Er Hoover that couldn't be proven.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, And I have a deep Deloche, the deputy director
for twenty eight years, is in my movie, we tell
the truth about Jaeger Hoover, how we went from a
lawless society, how the FBI was formed, How you know
he used to be able to chase a bank robber
to the county line and then they got away, and
Jaeger Hoover centralized law enforcement. He was the real guy
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who made this country a law and order country and
made it safe for people to walk the streets and
put their money in banks and not you know, be
killed by you know, John Dillinger and alcohol to these people,
and it's a fascinating sorry and they fill a hoover
just like they're vilifying George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. They're
trying to destroy our history. We know what it is,
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we know what they're doing. We've got to get the culture,
we've got to get the educational system, and we've got
to get the political system fixed. We don't have a choice.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
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Rick right after this. Well, the educational system is a mess,
and I think that's what we're seeing right now in
these college campuses. These kids. This didn't happen at college.
This happened for years, and these kids got to college
and they were at the perfect moment where their brains
could be molded the way the radical left just wanted
them to be molded. But I hear what you're saying.
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I think that. I don't say it's just education, like
I said, I think it is a lot of the
culture what they've watched. And now everybody is a movie maker,
because everybody puts out tiktoks or you know, videos on
Instagram or something where they're constantly Our kids are barraged
with information. And like yesterday, I was looking at the
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stuff that's happening with with Harrison Bucker and from the
Chiefs who came out and he gave this commencement speech,
and there was this meme that was going around saying
that it was a statement from him saying he apologized
that he just wanted to go back to the fifties
and sixties. It was all blowney, it was all made up.
And this has been shared over and it was a
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satire site that put this out. Women across the country
have been sharing this. This guy wants us to go
back to the sixties. He's a scumbag. He's got to
be fired. And I just think everyone can produce something
and put it out there and everyone's desk for it
to have something viral, something quick. But the real true
art of movie making. People are now afraid to get
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into it. Everybody has everybody's afraid of how much it costs,
so you have to tell us how you fund it,
and then everybody is also feeling like nobody has that
kind of attention span anymore.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Well, I think you make a great point. I think
what you're doing with this podcast and YouTube is the future.
And I've done a couple of interviews and I told people,
if you can't raise the money to make a film,
which is very hard and it's kind of a riddle,
Conservatives don't like to put money in the arts.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I know why. That's why we're in this situation exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
So we need conservatives to rethink how they spend their
money and their resources. And my wife and I got
to a point, we will not patronize the bad films,
the pagan Wood films. We won't. We don't want nothing
to do with it. I've been nominated on the Oscar ballot,
I've been nominated the Best on the Director's Guild I've
had movies and theaters, but I'm not going to play
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their games. I don't care. I have stories to tell.
I follow Jesus Christ. In fact, my next film is
about Jesus. I don't care anymore, you know. And I'm
finding success in the streaming world, which is funny. Hollywood
can't get two hundred million of film back on streaming,
but small independent filmmakers like me that work on smaller budgets,
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we're finding that the streaming is a gift because we
can reach our audience. You know. I'm on Rotten Tomatoes
with the Burt Renhos film with one hundred percent audience
rating and one hundred percent critic rating, which is uneartha.
I can go directly to the audience, like talking with
you today and anybody that wants to see the film.
We're now on the abod as well as the paper,
(28:50):
so you can watch it for free. You can go
watch it if you want it. All it's glory, but
go to moviemoney dot com, moviemoney dot com and you'll
see it trailer of the Bird film and you'll see
all the boxes you can just click. You can watch.
We're picked up by airlines. We're picked up by libraries,
and I love library I grew up in libraries. I
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love the fact that my movies are available on hooplup.
They're available through libraries for free because I want people
to see other stories. I don't want to censor the
bad films that people are making. I just want all
voices to be heard and let the marketplace decide. Well
right now, in Hollywood, they wouldn't fund anything. And I've
been smeared in the minute. You say I'm for Jesus
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or I'm for Tutor, or I'm for this, or I'm
for the people who attack you.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Right, Oh yeah, I'm aware.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, and so we have to hold together. That's why
I loved your interview with Ted Nugent. I grew up
listening to Ted Nusge. I grew up in Michigan, and
I want to thank all the people in Michigan who
helped shape me inform me. I started as a film
critic in Michigan. I worked for a CBS affiliate as
a newsman w E YI for a year and a half.
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I used to you know, I worked for Roalter Cronkite.
It was a real journalist. I actually did a story.
When Richard Nixon came to Saginaw. Dan Rather was the
White House correspondent. I did all of his leg work
for him. It was a great experience in Michigan. But
all my values and everything I believed in were shaped
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by the people of the great state of Michigan. I
thank them. I'm thankful for that. I'm glad I didn't
grow up in Hollywood. I loved Florida. I loved California
when I was there. But I got to tell you,
I'm still a Michigan boy. I just don't like the
cold weather, so I'll stay. Yeah, I'll stay in Palm Beach.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah. I've heard that before. I've heard some other people say,
my mom goes to Florida in the winter. She complains
about the weather too. But it is a beautiful state.
So I appreciate you saying that about our beautiful state
of Michigan. Before I let you go, I just want
to say for anybody out there who is considering watching
this finding this movie. I watched it on Amazon, so
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it is readily available to you. You can just find
it anywhere. You really get an insight into Burt Reynolds
that you wouldn't I mean, I think you're right when
you say God brought you together and you got to
have an interview that wasn't what you were anticipating, because
I think you brought out a person that we all
wondered who he was, and we got to see him
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and he told stories of long ago. He told stories
about his father. We got to know how he got
to this point. But he also told stories of being
like a really tough guy.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
The story that you shared wasn't in there, but we
got to hear about him being kind of a no
nonsense person, And to me, that was one of the
most valuable parts because he wasn't a victim. He wasn't
going to take crap. Even when he said somebody had
come out with some bad story about him, he was like,
so now I have to go fix that. He wasn't
crying in the corner. He wasn't making a TikTok video
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about oh my gosh, my feelings were hurt. He's a
tough guy, you know, and you watch this movie and
you're inspired to that to be that person. So I
appreciate what you were able to do with it, and
I encourage everybody to go out there and watch it.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I know, Ron, thank you very much. I know we're
out of time, but I have to leave you with this.
I had dinner two weeks ago with Bert's pastor, the
person who did his funeral, and his name is Patrick Moody,
and his father, Jess Moody, was Bert's pastor and for
years tried to bring Bert to Jesus. Two things. If
you look really closely, Bert had a gold cross on
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that blue sweater. He wore a cross in that interview,
and on his eightieth birthday. He died when he was
eighty two. Patrick told me two weeks ago at dinner
that Bert came out on his eightieth birthday for Jesus
and he completely gave himself for the last two years
of his life to Jesus. So there's a credit at
the ending.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Oh that is amazing.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Exclusive You're the first person I've told that to.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Oh, that is such a cool story, and I think
that it is faith is so personal and so amazing,
and that I will just say that. I've had so
many people talk about, well, I got to cut this
person out, and I've got to do, you know, get
rid of this person, or this person needs to be
You have some sort of you know, awakening, and I
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can't do it. You just never know. Eighty years old,
there's hope for Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
For God, bless you, your family and the great people
the state of Michigan. I love all of you.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Thank you so much, and thank you for being on.
Rick Pamplin check out his films. Make sure you go
over there and you watch this Burt Reynolds interview. It
is amazing. And thank you all for joining the Tutor
Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go to Tutor
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Tutor Dixon Podcast. Have a blessing.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm excited today because
we have talked quite a bit about woke Hollywood, woke Disney,
woke this, woke that. And I found a guy who
is someone who spent a lot of time in Hollywood
and realized that Hollywood is kind of falling apart. And
I think we've all seen this, but he created a film,
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recently produced a film called Burt Reynolds The Last Interview.
And I watched this documentary and I found it was
so fascinating to hear the way Burt Reynolds had kind
of his career, had kind of moved from Florida to
New York to Hollywood and that manifestation and how Hollywood
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has changed over time, and Rick captured it perfectly. So
Rick Pamplin, he is with me today. He is the
writer and director who recently released this film, Burt Reynolds
The Last Interview. Rick, thank you for being here.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Thank you very much, Tutor. You know I'm a huge fan.
Bless you, your followers, your family, and all the great
people of Michigan which helped raise me. I was born
and raised in Michigan. I started my career in Michigan.
So I'm always very interested in the state of Michigan,
and I just I'm very honored to be with you today.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well, thank you. And I learned that Burt Reynolds was
born in Michigan.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Absolutely, he's Lansing.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
That was I didn't know that. So that was fascinating
to me. And he was kind of one of those
rough and tumble guys that I grew up with watching
him on TV and watching him in the movies, and
I just I wanted to watch this film because I
didn't know that much about him, and I honestly, I
think everybody is sort of fascinated by Hollywood and the
behind the scenes. And you had Quentin Tarantino in the film,
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that's also been someone that you kind of follow in
You're like, he's had some really strange movies that had
become crazy hits, you know, kind of these cult following movies.
But Burt Reynolds was the same. And just that connection
I didn't even know that was there. What made you
say to interview him, because he's not an easy guy
to interview.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Well, what was interesting? First of all, I want to
say one thing about the film. Burt Reynolds and Quentin Tarantino,
along with some other close associates of Bert, makeup sort
of this film about Bert and his life in Florida
and how he spent the last thirty years of his
life outside of Hollywood, the real Burt Reynolds. But a
lot of people have said to me exactly what you
(02:23):
said to especially women. They said, you know, I kind
of liked Burt Reynolds, but after your movie, I really
got to know him and I love him now. I
really love the guy. And you know, I understand what
you're saying about Quentin, who was my new best friend.
But Quinton graciously agreed to do the film because he
loved Burt so much, and I did this interview with him.
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And I've had so many people say to me, you know,
I'm sometimes I'm a little turned off by the violence
and Quentin's films, but oh my god, I loved him
in your movie. So as a filmmaker, I'm a real
documentary filmmaker. I'm not a made up you know, political
agenda Woe Hollywood guy. I don't. I just was in
search of the real Burt Reynolds. And I love the
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fact that I show people like Quentin Tarantino are Burt
Reynolds in the real light of who.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
They are right now. I think that he's a genius.
I mean, like I said, some of these movies will
forever be like ingrained in our vocabulary. I mean, there
are times when people will come to me and be like,
what is that. I'm like, I don't know. I think
it's Marcellus Wallace's soul. You know, It's like those memories
of movies stick with you forever and you they just
(03:34):
become a part of you. And he's one of those
guys that created movies that, as like I said, as
crazy and violent and different as they are, they have
become a part of life. And he became a part
of Hollywood that I don't think any of us really understood.
But to watch him and you're right to see that
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side of him where he was talking about Burt, in
that relationship that he had in and wanting to be
wanting to get to know him and get close to him,
and those even the last few days where he's like,
you know, we got to see him read this part
that he actually would never end up performing. But the
legend of Burt Reynolds. To see that Quentin Tarantino, who
(04:17):
I grew up with and thinking like this guy is
some sort of a master at creating art and movies.
You know, him to have this great like respect for
Burt Reynolds, and at the end of his life those
last few days to say, there was no I had
no idea that he would be gone, because they obviously
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felt that he was this icon.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, yeah, I think Bert knew when we did the interview.
You know, I'll just tell you just real quick and
then I'll answer your other question. But when we did
the interview, it was supposed to be I was doing
a film about how to help people tell their stories
and raise money to make in the ben At films.
That's what the movie was about. And you know, we
(05:03):
kept trying to get Bert. Bert had been very ill,
and we shot for five weeks, and the last day
of the last week, we got a call that Bert
would talk to us for fifteen minutes if we would
come to his film school. And I'm fine, right, So
we went to his film school and Bert came in.
(05:25):
He couldn't walk, he had to have out walking and
he sat down and I asked him about and all
this is in the movie, and I asked him about well,
you know, film finance. Because I don't know anything about it.
I wouldn't be good at it. So it's like, okay, great,
that's a right up. Thanks Bert. You know I pursued
Burbenthos my whole life, and so what happened was I
(05:48):
remembered when I was a kid in school in Michigan
reading The Catcher and the Rye and now holding Crawfield,
and the book said, you know, if these kids would
get up and talk about their book reports and they
could go into these stories about their uncle and it
was more interesting than the book, and the teacher would
say no, no, no, stay on topic. And I always
wanted to hear the other story. And I thought I
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chased Bert mentals my entire life. I was a kid
in Flint, Michigan who bought a ticket and win saw
a movie called Deliverance, and I was like, oh my god,
this guy is just an amazing That movie really affected
me as a teenager. And then I went to Hollywood
and I had a film project with Burt and Sally
Field that I pursued, and we had William Morris and
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all these big agencies, and we got very close. And
then I moved to Florida, and it so happened. Burt
lived down the road, and several times I went to
meet Burt. He never showed up. He had this museum,
you know, acting school whatever. And then one night he
came over. I had a birthday celebration and the owner
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of the restaurant was very good friends with Burt and
sat me next to Burt, and then Burt came over
and wished me happy birthday. So there was all these
little things. I originally, many years ago, I was the original,
one of the original creators of Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling.
So I lived in Las Vegas and we were shooting
the show, and there was a comedian at the Riviera Hotel,
(07:13):
Joey Villa, and he says, Hey, have you ever met Bert?
I said, well, not really. He said, I just got
cast in this movie called Heat that Burt Reynolds is shooting.
You want to take me to the set. It's a
night shoot, and you want to go with me, you
can meet Burt. I'm like, hey, I'm all in. So
we go to this location in Las Vegas and I'm
(07:34):
with Joey Villa, the comedian who was the headliner the
Splash Show, at the rivera hotel. He's going to do
this part in this movie. And there's like police officers
and there's you know, people with cameras and you know,
ropes keeping fans back, and there's ambulance citizen police cars.
And I'm like, wow, this, you know, it's like a
Frederico Fellini movie. You know, it's like, what is this?
(07:55):
I guess this is a Burt Reynolds set. And then
they pull this guy out on a stretcher and he's
like oh, and I'm like, who's that And they're putting
him in the air. They go that's the director and
I was like, well, what happened? Well, Bert just punched
him out.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Oh my gosh. We told a story in the film
that's similar to that with his father.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
So we go to the set and you know, Joe,
he's like, oh, do you want to meet Bert. I'm like,
not right now, Let's give it a little time. I'm
six four and a big gun. I go to the
far wall behind the camera operator and I put my
back against the wall. I was like, this probably isn't
the night to talk to Bert. So anyway, there was
(08:39):
a very famous incident and the guy sued and Bert
had to pay money. He mentions if we talk about
it in the movie. But Bert was a bigger than
life character. I pursued Burt Reynolds my entire life. So
when I'm sitting there and he goes, I have no interest,
I don't know anything about fundraising, and I'm sitting there
with three camera is my crew, all of his students.
(09:02):
I thought about holding Cawfield and the catcher in the ride.
I thought, you know, we're just gonna talk. I don't care.
And so I believe Burt knew he was at the
end of his life. He'd been very ill, he couldn't walk,
and so we talked. The fifteen minute interview became an
hour and fifteen minutes. So when he died, we heard
(09:26):
from magazines, tabloids. People offered us one hundred thousand dollars
cash just to have snips of the interview. And I'm like, no,
I don't want to do that. I don't want to
do that. And we had given money ownership of our
first film, the one that Bert was in, to the
(09:46):
Burt Mental Scholarship, which he helps, you know, young film
students in Florida, And so we sat on it for
about two years and one day my editor called me
and he said, hey, Rick, if you looked at the
Burt and it was footage, he said, I said no.
He says, I went in to do a little teaser thing,
and he said, I was mesrized. I watched the interview
(10:09):
and I said, well, could you just do an assembly
of it with time code and no color correction send
it to me. And of course everybody sat down and
watched it, and we cried like babies because Bert was
gone and it was so moving, and I got this idea.
I said, we should just unedited, unscript uncensored, we should
(10:31):
make we should build a movie around this, and I
should go like Citizen Kane in search of the real
Burt Reynolds, and we should wrap it around this interview.
So that was the genesis. It took us literally the
quickest we've ever raised money. It took about three days
to get the funding, and it took us forty eight
hours to get a contract with a distributor. It was
(10:51):
the quickest any movies ever come together. But I didn't
want people to exploit Burt or take clips out of context,
which is what our world is right.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Now, right absolutely well, And I thought It was interesting
because during the interview he says something about someone just
got a bad impression of me, and even today, I
have to go and I have to fix this now.
And you could tell he was very upset by this,
and I thought that was fascinating because here's a guy who,
of course has gone through everything, he's been a public
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figure his whole life, and yet still he's fighting these attacks.
And I think that's something that you would say, that's
kind of Hollywood crumbling. It's no longer about storytelling and
taking yourself out of it. He was a master of
teaching people to behave in a certain way. That art
(11:41):
and acting was behaving and showing some becoming the person.
And yet today we see Hollywood instead of taking us
to another world, Hollywood is now striking and most of
the times our favorite actors are out there telling us
how bad we are. We're used to seeing what the
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art they create, not their own personal opinions. And I
could see he was sort of he was sort of
alluding to the fact that things had gotten rough in
the world.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, he was very unhappy with the state of the
movie business. He was happy that Quinton had called and
he went out and he did the table read with
Brad Pitt, Leonardo DiCaprio and all that, because he was
going to be back in a big, a list picture,
but he was very discouraged by the business and the
deeper issue for me, you know, I believe God put
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us together at the end of his life, and I
believe one of it. The people closest to Bert said
to me recently, he said, this is the perfect last
movie for Burt Reynolds, because Bert would be so proud
of what you've done with the film that you didn't
censor it or edit it or exploit Burt. And you're
giving money to the scholarship fund, which we're doing out
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of the second film as well. But my bigger issue, Tutor,
and you get this in your audience gets what is
the garbage we're producing in Hollywood that's going into children's minds?
Right this, this terrifies me. When I was a kid
growing up in Michigan, Okay, Hollywood and movies, I don't
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care if it was Jimmy Stewart, I don't care. You know,
Henry Fonda, You know I learned how to be a
man at the movies. You know, I learned how to
be a moral person, and there was an underlying Judeo
Christian value to motion pictures and they weren't evil. And
you know, I have movie paths and I go to
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the movie theaters at least once a week. I can't
even find a decent film.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Hap No, I know, it's weird. That's my mom. So
that used to be our thing, was my mom and dad.
We used to go to the movies every Friday night
after school. I would spend the night with my parents
going to the movies. And we just loved movies. Loved them.
I loved the idea being transported to another place and
just getting immersed inous story. And I loved the whole
(14:02):
movie theater aspect and eating the popcorn, the smells, everything.
It was fantastic. And I feel like I can't share
that with my kids because there's just nothing nothing.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Well. I know your show is political, and I love that,
and I love you, and I endorsed you and campaigned
for you, and we support you completely and we think
your message in this podcast is very important. But I
want to say something to your viewers. If we don't
take back the culture, we want nothing.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Oh yeah, us.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
We must not only take back our country and protect
the constitution and individual rights and free speech and all
of those wonderful things. But we have to win the
culture war because that's the next generation. And when I
was a kid, I watched the Andy Griffin Show. When
I was a kid, I watched movies that inspired me,
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movies that made me who I was. And I'm not
saying that. Like Burt says in our movie, there's dark
places you can go to, there's themes that you can explore.
But the point is people are good. America is great,
and we're losing it. The propaganda and the whop nonsense
it's coming out of Hollywood. They're not making any money.
(15:15):
Nobody's watching the omeric shows. The theaters are empty. They're
making product that promotes an agenda, like you've called out
on your podcast, Disney, They're making a product that is
political that nobody wants.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. There was a movie, and now
I can't remember what it was called. It was just
last year, I think, or maybe two years ago, and
it was two men that fell in love and ended
up getting married, and nobody watched it. And it was
(15:51):
funny that you say what you say, because at the time,
we had someone working with us on the campaign who's gay,
and he said, why would they make that movie? And
I said, well, why would you say that? Like I
would think that movie would appeal to you. And he
was like, really, because women love the sappy rom com
love story. Men don't want to go see it, So
why would you make a movie about two men Because
(16:12):
women are never going to go see the movie about
two men and men don't care about the sappy romance story.
And I'm like, that's so funny because I would never
have thought about that. But you make a great point.
Hollywood is making movies we don't want to consume, and
so they're giving I mean, it's to me, it's kind
of like evs. You know, we're being forced to buy
(16:33):
electric vehicles and none of us want electric vehicles. Hollywood
is giving us films that we don't want to immerse
ourselves in and we're not interested in that doesn't appeal
to us. And there is just a reality that these
films are failing for a reason that's not the audience.
You know, you have to create something that has an audience,
(16:54):
something that has a consumer base and right now they're not. However,
I will say they are. They're genius about getting into
our kids' heads. And so we have all the streaming
and our kids can watch anything right at their fingertips.
Right My kids are like, what are commercials? Why did
you have to deal with that? They have no idea
what it's like to wait for the next episode for
a week. You know, that's just not part of their life.
(17:15):
They just binge watch a TV show. And if you're
not carefully watching, these shows are all about hating adults.
You're there's no or there's no adult in the home
for some reason. Kids are raising themselves, or they're going
to school and they're throwing things at the principle and
tying them up in the gym. I mean, it's just
outrageous what's happening in our culture today.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Absolutely, and you know, I worry about this a lot,
and as a filmmaker, I find I find myself being
extra careful to try. Look, first of all, I want
all voices to be heard. I want all voices to
be heard. And if if if the other side was
restricting free speech and centrat i'd be I'd be against that.
(17:59):
I'm an in depended. Okay, I have very strong political feelings.
I vote all the time, but I want free speech.
I want all voices heard. But I also you know,
Christians are being villainized in motion pictures. And you know,
I did what I mentioned earlier one of my early
successes when I was a kid starting off, I did
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this show called Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling, and there were
thirty six female characters in the show. And I wrote
what is called the Bible, not my word, their word,
which was the biographies, and I cast these women and whatever.
And so we had a character. We had this wrestling team,
Spike and Chainsaw, and this character they were having parody
(18:44):
of a heavy Metals, you know, sisters, and they would
go around with a live chainsaw. So we'd have the cheerleaders,
you know, and then they take this chainsaw and they
cut the pom poms as they were doing the cheers,
and they would run around in a live show with
the chainsaw. And that wasn't a real chain so we
had Rubbert, you know, a rubber blade thing on it.
But that was okay for a syndicated television show. But
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one time we wrote something and we said Jesus Christ
and standards and practices came back to me and said, no,
you can say Jesus in a derogatory way, that Jesus.
But you this was in the eighties, you might not say. So.
We can have a chainsaw cutting people's body parts up
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in a children's TV show, which is what Gorgeous Lady's
Wrestling was on Saturday mornings, but you can't say the
word Jesus Christ in a favorable way. So how do
you fight going on pardon?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
How do you fight that?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Well, you have to do what you're doing. You have
to take to the airways. You have to organize people,
You have to educate people. You have to say, look,
go watch Burt Reynolds, Go watch films that have values
that mean something and that don't don't pander to this wokeism.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
You know, it's almost so like the people in Hollywood
have absorbed this. And I could tell even You asked
him an interesting question, you said, do you think that
this was your acting skill? Was a gift from God?
And he took a long time to answer, and they said, no,
it was a gift from man. I had a man
who taught me, and I learned, and I wondered if
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that meant he was not a man of faith, or
if that was him kind of protecting that because he
knows that's not a popular conversation in Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
It just was.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
It just really struck me because as a Christian, you know, yes,
we believe that our gifts come from God, but you
do grow up in a culture in LA that is very,
very I guess, atheist, and you're not even allowed to
speak about Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I did a Christian television show with a live audience,
and I was promoting another movie and I called a
Hollywood pagan Wood and the audience went crazy, and it
was the New Jim Baker Show. It was all over
the world. And my son called me up and he said, Dad, Dad,
he said, you just ruined your career. You can't call
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Hollywood pagan Wood. And I've been calling him pagan Wood
every since, and my career is doing just fine. But
the truth is, you know, when I left Hollywood, I
went to Universal Studios in Orlando, and I was kind
of fed up with the LA lifestyle. My son was
I think five years old at the time, and I
didn't want him growing up in that culture. And I
(21:34):
had a family situation where I needed to take care
of my mother. So, being the good son, I came
to Florida. I fell in love with Florida. I interviewed
with Disney and Universal. Universal had a better situation, and
so I was at Universal Studios from well a number
of years, from nineteen ninety four to two thousand and eight,
and they kept going in a wrong direction. Halloween, horror nights,
(21:58):
you know, all of this glory of cation of things.
I just wasn't comfortable. So I decided to become an independent.
But I've made a living in my movie company. This
is our thirtieth year. I've been able. We don't have
any debt, we have perfect credit. We have movies in
the marketplace. And I've made a movie about jag Or Hoover.
(22:19):
I've made movies about subjects that interested me, the real
jagg Er Hoover, not the bake one. And by the way,
that movie Hoover, I'll just show you real quickly. With
Ernest borgnine, we opened in theaters there you can see it.
We opened in theaters and Google play just picked it
up and YouTube movies just picked it up.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
So that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
If you make films with different perspectives, but they're well
made films. You can reach an audience. And that film,
you know, which is decades old, mister borgnine has passed on,
has reached tons of and I've had FBI people call me,
and I've had all kinds of people say, oh my god,
thank god you told the truth because Jaker Hoover was
(23:04):
a great patriot and all of the smears and all
of the stuff to ruining isn't true. We prove it.
And by the way, I'm not giving it away. But
at the very end of the movie, because of my movie,
the New York Times was forced to retract and it's
in my movie some of the things they had published
about Jake Er Hoover that couldn't be proven.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, And I have a deep Deloche, the deputy director
for twenty eight years, is in my movie, we tell
the truth about Jaeger Hoover, how we went from a
lawless society, how the FBI was formed, How you know
he used to be able to chase a bank robber
to the county line and then they got away, and
Jaeger Hoover centralized law enforcement. He was the real guy
(23:45):
who made this country a law and order country and
made it safe for people to walk the streets and
put their money in banks and not you know, be
killed by you know, John Dillinger and alcohol to these people,
and it's a fascinating sorry and they fill a hoover
just like they're vilifying George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. They're
trying to destroy our history. We know what it is,
(24:07):
we know what they're doing. We've got to get the culture,
we've got to get the educational system, and we've got
to get the political system fixed. We don't have a choice.
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Rick right after this. Well, the educational system is a mess,
and I think that's what we're seeing right now in
these college campuses. These kids. This didn't happen at college.
This happened for years, and these kids got to college
and they were at the perfect moment where their brains
could be molded the way the radical left just wanted
them to be molded. But I hear what you're saying.
(26:05):
I think that. I don't say it's just education, like
I said, I think it is a lot of the
culture what they've watched. And now everybody is a movie maker,
because everybody puts out tiktoks or you know, videos on
Instagram or something where they're constantly Our kids are barraged
with information. And like yesterday, I was looking at the
(26:25):
stuff that's happening with with Harrison Bucker and from the
Chiefs who came out and he gave this commencement speech,
and there was this meme that was going around saying
that it was a statement from him saying he apologized
that he just wanted to go back to the fifties
and sixties. It was all blowney, it was all made up.
And this has been shared over and it was a
(26:46):
satire site that put this out. Women across the country
have been sharing this. This guy wants us to go
back to the sixties. He's a scumbag. He's got to
be fired. And I just think everyone can produce something
and put it out there and everyone's desk for it
to have something viral, something quick. But the real true
art of movie making. People are now afraid to get
(27:07):
into it. Everybody has everybody's afraid of how much it costs,
so you have to tell us how you fund it,
and then everybody is also feeling like nobody has that
kind of attention span anymore.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Well, I think you make a great point. I think
what you're doing with this podcast and YouTube is the future.
And I've done a couple of interviews and I told people,
if you can't raise the money to make a film,
which is very hard and it's kind of a riddle,
Conservatives don't like to put money in the arts.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I know why. That's why we're in this situation exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
So we need conservatives to rethink how they spend their
money and their resources. And my wife and I got
to a point, we will not patronize the bad films,
the pagan Wood films. We won't. We don't want nothing
to do with it. I've been nominated on the Oscar ballot,
I've been nominated the Best on the Director's Guild I've
had movies and theaters, but I'm not going to play
(28:03):
their games. I don't care. I have stories to tell.
I follow Jesus Christ. In fact, my next film is
about Jesus. I don't care anymore, you know. And I'm
finding success in the streaming world, which is funny. Hollywood
can't get two hundred million of film back on streaming,
but small independent filmmakers like me that work on smaller budgets,
(28:27):
we're finding that the streaming is a gift because we
can reach our audience. You know. I'm on Rotten Tomatoes
with the Burt Renhos film with one hundred percent audience
rating and one hundred percent critic rating, which is uneartha.
I can go directly to the audience, like talking with
you today and anybody that wants to see the film.
We're now on the abod as well as the paper,
(28:50):
so you can watch it for free. You can go
watch it if you want it. All it's glory, but
go to moviemoney dot com, moviemoney dot com and you'll
see it trailer of the Bird film and you'll see
all the boxes you can just click. You can watch.
We're picked up by airlines. We're picked up by libraries,
and I love library I grew up in libraries. I
(29:10):
love the fact that my movies are available on hooplup.
They're available through libraries for free because I want people
to see other stories. I don't want to censor the
bad films that people are making. I just want all
voices to be heard and let the marketplace decide. Well
right now, in Hollywood, they wouldn't fund anything. And I've
been smeared in the minute. You say I'm for Jesus
(29:34):
or I'm for Tutor, or I'm for this, or I'm
for the people who attack you.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Right, Oh yeah, I'm aware.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, and so we have to hold together. That's why
I loved your interview with Ted Nugent. I grew up
listening to Ted Nusge. I grew up in Michigan, and
I want to thank all the people in Michigan who
helped shape me inform me. I started as a film
critic in Michigan. I worked for a CBS affiliate as
a newsman w E YI for a year and a half.
(30:00):
I used to you know, I worked for Roalter Cronkite.
It was a real journalist. I actually did a story.
When Richard Nixon came to Saginaw. Dan Rather was the
White House correspondent. I did all of his leg work
for him. It was a great experience in Michigan. But
all my values and everything I believed in were shaped
(30:20):
by the people of the great state of Michigan. I
thank them. I'm thankful for that. I'm glad I didn't
grow up in Hollywood. I loved Florida. I loved California
when I was there. But I got to tell you,
I'm still a Michigan boy. I just don't like the
cold weather, so I'll stay. Yeah, I'll stay in Palm Beach.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah. I've heard that before. I've heard some other people say,
my mom goes to Florida in the winter. She complains
about the weather too. But it is a beautiful state.
So I appreciate you saying that about our beautiful state
of Michigan. Before I let you go, I just want
to say for anybody out there who is considering watching
this finding this movie. I watched it on Amazon, so
(31:00):
it is readily available to you. You can just find
it anywhere. You really get an insight into Burt Reynolds
that you wouldn't I mean, I think you're right when
you say God brought you together and you got to
have an interview that wasn't what you were anticipating, because
I think you brought out a person that we all
wondered who he was, and we got to see him
(31:21):
and he told stories of long ago. He told stories
about his father. We got to know how he got
to this point. But he also told stories of being
like a really tough guy.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
The story that you shared wasn't in there, but we
got to hear about him being kind of a no
nonsense person, And to me, that was one of the
most valuable parts because he wasn't a victim. He wasn't
going to take crap. Even when he said somebody had
come out with some bad story about him, he was like,
so now I have to go fix that. He wasn't
crying in the corner. He wasn't making a TikTok video
(31:54):
about oh my gosh, my feelings were hurt. He's a
tough guy, you know, and you watch this movie and
you're inspired to that to be that person. So I
appreciate what you were able to do with it, and
I encourage everybody to go out there and watch it.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I know, Ron, thank you very much. I know we're
out of time, but I have to leave you with this.
I had dinner two weeks ago with Bert's pastor, the
person who did his funeral, and his name is Patrick Moody,
and his father, Jess Moody, was Bert's pastor and for
years tried to bring Bert to Jesus. Two things. If
you look really closely, Bert had a gold cross on
(32:29):
that blue sweater. He wore a cross in that interview,
and on his eightieth birthday. He died when he was
eighty two. Patrick told me two weeks ago at dinner
that Bert came out on his eightieth birthday for Jesus
and he completely gave himself for the last two years
of his life to Jesus. So there's a credit at
the ending.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Oh that is amazing.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Exclusive You're the first person I've told that to.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Oh, that is such a cool story, and I think
that it is faith is so personal and so amazing,
and that I will just say that. I've had so
many people talk about, well, I got to cut this
person out, and I've got to do, you know, get
rid of this person, or this person needs to be
You have some sort of you know, awakening, and I
(33:15):
can't do it. You just never know. Eighty years old,
there's hope for Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
For God, bless you, your family and the great people
the state of Michigan. I love all of you.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Thank you so much, and thank you for being on.
Rick Pamplin check out his films. Make sure you go
over there and you watch this Burt Reynolds interview. It
is amazing. And thank you all for joining the Tutor
Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go to Tutor
dixonpodcast dot com or you can subscribe or head over
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Tutor Dixon Podcast. Have a blessing.
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