May 15, 2024 • 30 mins
Gregg Jarrett, Fox News Legal Analyst & Best Selling Author and Paul Dans, of the Heritage Foundation, was a 20 years a New York City attorney, now the Director of Heritage Project 2025. Today they discuss the Trump Civil trial and the absurdity of turning to a known liar for any sort of honest testimony about anything.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, Thanks Scott Shannon, and thanks to all of
you for being with us. Here's our toul Frey telephone
number at eight hundred nine to four one Sean if
you want to be a part of the program. It's
been going on a little while now cross examination. I
got to tell you of Michael Khne. We know he's
a liar. I'm looking at the Greg Jarrett report, the
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prosecution star witness against Trump, Michael Cone is a chronic,
habitual liar this morning. Nothing really too alarming alerting in
any way that I saw as it relates to this
particular case. But you know, there's a lot of details
that should matter to people anyway. Greg Jarrett back with
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us Fox News Legal analysts, best selling author Paul Dan's
with US Heritage Foundation twenty years a New York City attorney,
now the director of the Heritage Project twenty twenty five.
Welcome both of you to the program. Appreciate you being
with us. Greg, You've been following this case every second,
every minute, and every every you know, you've heard every
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comma uttered, every every um said in the courtroom. Look,
I think all the comments that have been made by
every attorney that I know, like and admire has been
dead on, starting with yourself and Jonathan Turley and people
like this.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
However, I still.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Don't believe that Donald Trump can get a fair trial
in New York City or DC or Fulton County, Georgia.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
And I don't believe this case has it all been
about what the facts or the law is. I mean,
the judge has allowed a case to go forward where
a defendant basically doesn't even know what he's being charge with.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Oh, it's true. And you know, no fair or competent
judge dedicated to aholding the law would have ever allowed
this train wreck of a trial to have desecrated the
integrity of our justice system. But Judge wanmer Shawan is
the engineer. He's driving this out of control locomotive. He's
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all but you know, taking off his black rows, step
down from the bench and taken up residents at the
prosecution's table. He's mangled the rules of evidence that strictly
prohibit irrelevant prejudicial testimony that outweighs its probative value. It's
fundamentally unfair to allow what's happened here to smear a
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defendant with these sordid stories that have little or nothing
to do with the offense's charge. The majority of the
evidence has really been shameless character assassination. Judge Marchon should
have stopped the charade a long time ago. His errant
rulings have reversible air written all over them. But you know,
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neither he nor his co prosecutor, Alvin Bragg could care less.
Their objective is, as you say, to convict Trump, to
interfere in the upcoming presidential election, and that is a travesty.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
And they've kept Donald Trump off the campaign trail for
going on a month now, while Joe Biden basically has
the campaign field wide open to himself. You know, Paul,
I don't want to be Debbie Downer here, but I'm
just speaking reality. I don't believe in a city or
a venue where ninety percent of those registered or Democrats,
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that Donald Trump can get a fair trial. The judge
in the case is a Biden donor. The issues about
conflicts of interest with his daughter have come up and
have been extensively discussed. You have a misdemeanor whose statute
the limitations of long since passed. And with all of
that said, and no evidence of any crime committed, not
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a single intelligent attorney that I know feels that any
crime has been exposed in this.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Case, but I still expect a guilty verdict.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I mean, I'd like to be more optimistic, but I'm
not Pollyannish. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie to
my audience.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Well, I wish I could tell you you're wrong. But you
know what, people have to realize what's going on in
Lower Manhattan is not a criminal trial. It's a Biden
Harris re election campaign operation. And what they've done is programmed.
This we now know has been being quarterbacked out of
the Biden voj and the White House. This is one
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of four and it's all part of a larger story.
They can't run on the record Donald Trump. Everyone remembers
how good life was under him and now looks at
the buying record. So that's off the table. You know,
you have one hundred thousand people showing up to see
Donald Trump one hundred and fifty miles from that courthouse.
New Jersey is now and play, Virginia is now and play.
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People are seen through this. But at the same time,
you know, what is the Bid Harris reelection strategy twenty twenty?
It was it was the basement, hide them away. You
can't do that when you're when you're president. Now he
can't run on his records, and now he has the
courthouse strategy, and.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Well he also can't go up the big boy steps
of Air Force one. And he's got his new special
you know, supports sneakers with extra sticky souls. Then he
has a crowd surrounding him on his way to and
from Marine one. Now he's giving you know, shorter speeches.
Quality over quantity, they tell us. And he still can't
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have a clean campaign event anyway. But here's the problem here,
you've got you know, And now on Cross I mean yeah,
they're exposing the star witness Michael Cohne, a disbarred lawyer
Trump hater, released from prison in twenty twenty multi year
sentence for tax evasion, bank fraud, a variety of other crimes,
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convicted of lying to Congress after lying under oath. By
the way, on top of that, facing new allegations of
lying to Congress. Recently referred to the bidendj which we
know is weaponized. But if Donald Trump won, that certainly
could impack Michael Cohen's life. And Colin appears to be
what soliciting quote gifts on TikTok, wearing a T shirt
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depicting Trump behind bars, and then I didn't even know
about this till the New York Post reported on this.
Apparently he's been pushing and promoting some type of of
I Guess reality show mister fix It, and is hoping
I guess to make money that way off this case.
I mean, you can't even make this up. But is
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that going to have any impact on the jury.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Well, you know, if you were, you know, casting for
a movie call it witness for the Persecution, and this
guy would be out of central casting for it. Nothing
he says is believable. And you know, generally on a
cross sex you'd be saying are you lying now or
were you lying then? Or in this case do you
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just whiley all the time? This guy is wholly unbelievable.
The reality, though, what you're seeing is someone who's been
in and out of these courtrooms for almost twenty five years,
who sat on two criminal juries in State Supreme Court
down Lower Manhattan. I would like to think the better
of my fellow citizens, But as someone who recently also
left New York, I can tell you that Trump's arrangement
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is real and even the best of minds, the level
headed people, when you get that level of contegion going
on with all the stuff mershons let in as Grag
was saying, it's really just a purulent parade through really old,
salacious allegations which have no bearing on the criminal case.
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You know, the criminal case hasn't even been set forth.
What the actual crime being charged is that the deprivations
due process. Any ninth grader would be able to tell
you that due process requires notice and opportunity to be hurt.
They have to tell you what the crime is. So
all this is part of the plan, though they know
what they're doing is wrong. The whole game here is
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to leg it out past the election and hit Donald.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Trump as much as possible.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
That's how progresses play. The only answer we have is
to go on the offense. That's why the RNC needs
to step up. They need to shut this down. Their
candidate is now being denied moving around forty nine other states.
What's happening there? And State ag should take a listen.
Their citizens are being denied their civil rights by not
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being able to listen to Donald Trump. He's under an
unconstitutional gag order, he can't come to the Pennsylvania primaries,
he can't go out and raise money. He's waylaid in
one state. Have this happened in the nineteen sixties, say
you know they took JFK, you know, off the trail
and put him in a you know, a court pouce
in Alabama. You would have seen the same thing. But like,
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where is the outrage? You know? The speaker comes today
and talks on the steps. That's great, thank you. You've
been speaker for six months. Do something user overside powers
issues the poenis. We don't need talk, we need action,
action action.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Let's get your take on the legal side of this
and what you see unfolding in that courtroom. And I
guess I guess the question, Greg is is that do
you see hope of an acquittal?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I don't. Do you see hope of a hung jury?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Maybe outside chance, maybe twenty percent, twenty five percent chance.
I don't know, maybe that's even on the high side.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
But I'm just gonna go with my gut as I
just don't believe from the beginning and the get go
with this judge that really should have recused himself on
a variety of issues that he's going to give fair
jury instructions and that this jury is going to be
able to I guess, you know, filter through all the
muck and the Meyer and the bs and actually get
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to the issue of the law, which is the only
thing that should matter here. And the law is pretty straightforward.
If you look at seventeen f two about you know,
falsification of business records, it didn't happen. Donald Trump didn't
falsify business records. And paying a lawyer for doing his
job and having an NDA, which is not a illegal
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you know, hardly seems to have warranted a month's worth
of testimony.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Well, you've identified Alvin Bragg's warped legal theory. You know,
Trump's not an accountant. He was the CEO of a
multi billion dollar international company. He didn't designate computer entries
on private ledgers. That was an administrative matter, not an
executive responsibility. And the jurors have already heard in prior
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testimony the decision was made by the corporate controller to
book this a legal expenses, because that's what they were.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
And by the way, paying a lawyer is a legal expense,
isn't it. I have lawyers I pay them? Is that
a legal expense?
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Cohen had negotiated with Daniel's attorney, the legal contract that
resulted in a legal non disclosure agreement. That's a legal expense.
In addition, today Cohen, on the witness stand, admitted that, yes,
a substantial component of the money I got from Trump
in twenty and seventeen, which represents the thirty four misdemeanors
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against Trump. He said that was compensation for his newly
elevated position as the personal attorney for the president it represented.
He said service is rendered and a retainer for both
ongoing services and future services. So again, what does that mean.
It means that book entries were properly defined as legal expenses,
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which means the core of the charges against Trump, Alvin
Brad can't win. He can't possibly win it in a
normal trial. But I operate on the presumption that these
are biased jurors who hid their prejudice against Trump. They're
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predisposed to convict, and if it turns out, there's no
doubt they're gonna hate Michael Cohen on cross examination, he's loathsome,
he's vile. Everybody hates him.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
The question is do they?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
But he's been prepped to death. I mean to stay
calm and not get rattled. And he's got his glib answers.
And by the way, I mean, I kind of have
a problem when the prosecution is prepping you know, Stormy Daniels,
and I liked to know if they prepped Michael Comb too.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Oh, I'm sure they did, of course they did. So
the question becomes, do they hate Donald Trump more because
of his politics and we're willing to ignore the law,
ignore the evidence, and convict him because we just don't
like him and we want to help Joe Biden get elected.
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If that is the conscience of this jury, which is offensive,
then you know.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
What does your gut tell you? You're a pretty smart attorney, Greg,
I have known you for a long time.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yeah, you know. I'd say it's fifty to fifty. There's
no chance for an acquittal. I would say one of
the two juror jurors who were lawyers, maybe both of
them may see through this sham, this charade and remember
what they learned in law school. If that happens, then
you know, maybe he can get a hung jury. I'd
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say it's fifty fifty either conviction or hung jury.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Paul, let's get your prediction.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Well, I sat on two of those criminal juries, and
I was a conservative living in plainside Manhattan, so I
was a rare bird. I wish I could think that
the attorneys in particular are gonna are really gonna get
that deep sense of fair plane substantial justice. I just
don't know. And in today's twenty twenty four version of
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New York it's a little different even than when I
left in nineteen.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
You know, they what we're seeing right.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Now is an unraveling of the rule of law. I
don't know how any of these folks can go back
to life and practice criminal defense and say this was
an exception how we treated Trump. But the reality is
these jurors also have to go back to their lives
in Manhattan, and if they don't convict, they are going
to be pillories. So I think I agree with you there.
It's maybe no fair trial for Donald Trump in really
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any courthouse. It's just institutionally incompetent to try a former president,
particularly one running for president. So it's you know, where
could he get a fair trial? And the fair trial
is going to be at the ballot box November five.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
I don't think this has any impact come November fifth
and the days in the early voting leaning up to it.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's my take. It'll be long forgotten. We'll see if
I'm right.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
But this is why, you know, weaponization of our justice
system is a critical issue for the country because it's
our whole constitutional system that is hanging in the balance here.
Paul Dan's thank you, Greg, Jared, thank you. All right,
let's get to our busy phones. We've been spent a
lot of time on all of this trial issue. Michael
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Cohone doesn't recall being the one to leak that he
handed his phones over to the DA's office. I have
no memory of that anyway. So and the whole cross
examination going into his credibility is you know, been going
on the last hour and a half or so. Anyway,
Let's say hi to Carol in California, Carol High, how
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are you glad.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
You called Kaye?
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Yeah, the very thing that they talked about about bringing
everybody together and voting for him, I said, I think
that that was a farce that they did.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Actually, right now, this is like a third world country
that I'm looking at, and it's like Bernie on the weekend.
They bring him by now, and they just peddle him
along and they act like he's in charge. But I
think there's a combined effort of several different hits together
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running the situation. Who it is. It's not his doing.
He may be awakeed times, but then most of the
time he's not even there. So we're getting somebody that
we didn't even vote for. That's the situation here.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Look, I will tell you, I think you're you know,
I think you're hitting the nail on the head. I
think you got a guy that doesn't even really know
what day of the week it is. I have no
confidence in his ability to lead. His policies have failed spectacularly.
We're suffering as a nation. The world is suffering as
a result. You know, I wrote a book, Live Free
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or Die, America and the World on the Brink. I
wrote that book before the twenty twenty election, and I
had not written a book in ten years. And I'm
going to tell you why I don't like writing books.
It's too much work, it's too hard, And I admire
those people that do it. I did it because I
felt compelled to do it. I did it because I
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felt the moment called for it. And I wanted to
lay out I wish I was wrong. This guy gets elected,
Look what he has done to this country. Look what
he has done to our economy. Look what he has
done in terms of a lack of law, order and
civility in small towns and big cities all around the country.
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Look at what he has done with our border. And
you know, ten plus million unvetted illegal immigrants coming from
you know, our top geopolitical foes, those that we know
are are you know, up to their eyeballs and radical
Islamic terrorism like Iran. I mean, why we have people
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at Iran showing up at our southern border, tens of
thousands from China, Russia, Syria, Iran, Yemen, Egypt, Afghanistan. Why
do you think they're coming here? And this is this
allways preventable if we didn't elect, if this guy wasn't elected.
And I am saying, America now has a choice. Now
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in one hundred and seventy four days, it's election day,
but election voting starts early in many of not most states.
Now we have a full interactive map on hannity dot
com talking about registering, how to vote by mail, how
to vote early, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
And I urge everybody.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
You just you say, well, Hannity, I don't trust I
don't trust the system either, do I. However, it's the
system we're stuck with. And if you really want to
change the system, the only way to do it is
to win an election, and do it now. I have
a chance. And don't think that you got your vote
doesn't matter. It matters. I mean, look at America, having
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abdicated our role in the world stage. Who would have
ever thought in American president whatever would ever be end
up emboldening and empowering radical Islamic terrorists by pressuring our
our number one ally in the Middle East to do
anything other than win their war against those people that
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slaughtered all those Israelis on October the seventh and took
the hundreds hostage, including Americans. By the way, it's these
unbelievable times we live in. But anyway, Yeah, they want
to keep Trump wrapped up in court and there. If
they could, they would keep them there for the next
one hundred and seventy four days. But that's not going
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to happen, thankfully. I don't see that happening. Carol, appreciate
the call.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Let us say hi to Emma, Long Island, New York,
my former home in town.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
What's going up? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Emma?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
How are you?
Speaker 8 (19:58):
Temaw are you? I just wanted to talk about voter integrity.
I my daughter registered. My daughter, she's sixteen years old.
I register her for her driver's license, her junior's license,
and they asked me if I wanted to register her
to vote, and I marked.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
The box yes.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
Fast forward a couple months later, I get a notification
in my mail with where which calling site she has
to go to vote in this November's election. My name,
my husband's name, and her name is on it. She's
got a voter IDEP number. So she, sixteen years old,
is now allowed to vote in November's election.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
What say you?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Well, I think that if a sixteen year old is
allowed to register to vote because of mode of voter
and we know of a big push by Democrats. New
York City was an example. They were pushing for illegals
to vote local elections and recently the DC City Council,
but other areas around the country as well. We know
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where this is headed, and you know for all to
talk about illegal immigration. Let me tell you what the
next push is. Democrats win this election, let me tell
you where that's headed. There's going to be a massive
push towards well, they're here anyway. Let's be the party
the pushes to give them amnesty. Now you may not
know this. I know this. If you want to buy
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a passport to another country, if you want a passport
and you want to become let's say you want dual citizenship,
whatever the country happens to be, maybe a country in Europe.
Maybe maybe you want to try Australia or New Zealand
and say, all right, I like New Zealand. And it's
very hard, and it's very expensive in some countries. It's
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very inexpensive in other countries Antiga, for example, Belize, Saint Kitts, Nivis, Malta,
other countries in Europe, you can get dual citizenship and
it takes either an investment or a certain amount of
money or jobs created. They have all different systems. We
can get another passport. Well those things, you know, most
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countries are that are selling them are making a fortune
doing it, or they're having people invest the fortune in
their country and their economies to get in exchange for
the passport. Democrats will basically say they want amnesty, will
get nothing in return, and they will offer something. Is
there any more valuable passport in the world than a
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US passport? I don't think so. And what do you
think that Democrats want to do that for? Well, if
we give you this thing that you know would have
cost you millions in New Zealand and Australia, I assume
you're going to like our party better than that party
that wanted to send you home. Does that sound like
a possibility or a far fetch radical MSDNC conspiracy theory.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
I just want to I want to know what to
do about this.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
If I have.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
The first thing I would do is I'd go talk
to the election people and say, you know, my daughter
was at the DMV. They let her vote. She's not
a voting age. That's the first thing I would do.
And then the next thing I do is contact my
local representative and state representative and local congress person. I
don't know what district you're in, and I would say yeah,
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I would say, excuse me, my daughter went to get
her permit. I assume she's getting a permit at sixteen
in New York. I do know those laws. She doesn't
get a license till seventeen, and I would say that
this shouldn't be allowed. It's against the law, and why
is this happening and demand an answer and hopefully somebody
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with some integrity will want to fix it for you.
Speaker 8 (23:43):
I even want to contact the RNC and let them
know about it. But this has to be resolved because
I know where we lean, and we're honest. We won't
vote at sixteen, but you can have people who are
not honest and voting at sixteen, and you know people
vote for.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
Them, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
By the way, Mike Johnson was at the and I
appreciate the call, but you raise a good issue. Let
me play Mike Johnson, he's actually been sitting in the
courtroom of the Trump trial today and listen to what
he had to say. He said, they are keeping Trump
in court intentionally to keep him off the campaign trail.
Speaker 9 (24:18):
President Trump is a friend and I wanted to be
here to support him. I'm here speaking with you outside
because the court won't allow us to speak inside the building.
That's just one of the many things that are wrong here.
This is the fifth week that President Trump has been
in court for this sham of a trial. They are
doing this intentionally to keep him here and keep him
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off of the campaign trail. I think everybody in the
country can see that for what it is.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
And I also want to remind you of what Bill maher.
He went back to twenty eighteen to pull out an
old interview with Stormy Daniels which he said, which he
said was she was a bad difference and as she
made a different claim in twenty eighteen on his show
about the with Donald Trump.
Speaker 10 (25:01):
And she's a bad witness. Because let me show you
a little video. This is when I had Stormy on
in twenty eighteen, and first I asked her why she
had sex with Trump. Listening to that, and then listen
to what she says after that, and then we're gonna
talk about the trial because it's quite a variance of
what she said to me in twenty eighteen. Why did
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you Donald Trump? Okay, but you say it's not a
me two cake, It is not a.
Speaker 11 (25:27):
Me two king.
Speaker 12 (25:28):
I mean, I wasn't assaulted. I wasn't attacked or raped
or coerce or black melt. They tried to shove me
in the meat two box of for their own agenda.
And first of all, I didn't want any part of
that because it's not the truth and I'm not a
vixim in that regard.
Speaker 10 (25:45):
That's not what she's saying. No, she's talking about he
was bigger and blocking the way. It's all the me
too buzzwords. She said there was a power, imbalance of power.
For sure. My hands were shaking, so she said she
blacked out, blacked out.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Anyway, It's pretty unbelievable. Even Dan Goldman had to admit
Michael Cohene is an admitted liar.
Speaker 11 (26:11):
Listen, because what is happening now is as he's on
direct examination, he's testifying, and the jury is seeing how
what he is saying is consistent with what David Pecker said,
with what Stormy Daniels said, with what other witnesses said,
because the DA knows that they are going to have
to corroborate him because he is an admitted perjurer.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
He is an admitted liar.
Speaker 11 (26:36):
He has testified inconsistently on the stand, so he's either
lying one time or the other, and he will be
really skeward on cross examination for that.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
All right, quick break right back, more of your phone
calls coming up toll free. It is eight hundred and
nine to four one, Sean, if you want to be
a part of the program as we roll along, And
now a word from the forty six president of the
United States.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
You know you haven't your line, dog faced pony soldier
you said you are, but you're now you gotta be honest.
Speaker 10 (27:13):
I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Sean.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Hannity is on right now, back for our poems we go.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Let us say we got two calls from Missouri. Who
should we go to? First? Christ and Missouri? You are
on longer? How are you?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Hey? How are you?
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Sean?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
What's going on? What's on your mind today? I'm losing
you Joe in Missouri. We'll try Joe. How are you?
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Joe? I want your opinion about something I've been thinking about.
And I've heard that the Republicans are trying to maybe
impeach Biden over the not given arms to Israel and stuff.
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But we all know that he should be impeached over
his criminal activity with China, Russia and Ukraine and everything.
But just let's picture that they do get together and
send it over to the Senate. And do you think
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with all the stuff that's going on with kind of
like they're scared of, you know, Biden writing again, would
there be eleven senators in the Senate to join the Republicans?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
And no, no, never, no.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I mean the whole Ukraine impeachment was what about a
quid pro quoll? So you have congressionally allocated appropriated monies
as it relates to Israel, and Joe before is withholding
those funds unless they do what he wants. How's that
not a quid pro quo? And Joe Biden's own words
come back to haunt him on that pretty amazing At.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
The same time, though we all know what he his
son did in Ukraine and what Biden did. I mean,
that's that's more credible grounds that I'm taken to impeach.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
But oh, I mean if the democratic standard on Ukraine
about a quid pro quo is applied to Biden and
he gets impeached by the same Democrats that impeach Trump,
but that doesn't fit their democratic you know narrative.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Look, let me say the last thing.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Democrats circle the wagons and Republicans create circular firing squads.
I hope in the next one hundred and seventy four
days they joined together. That would be very helpful
All right, Thanks Scott Shannon, and thanks to all of
you for being with us. Here's our toul Frey telephone
number at eight hundred nine to four one Sean if
you want to be a part of the program. It's
been going on a little while now cross examination. I
got to tell you of Michael Khne. We know he's
a liar. I'm looking at the Greg Jarrett report, the
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prosecution star witness against Trump, Michael Cone is a chronic,
habitual liar this morning. Nothing really too alarming alerting in
any way that I saw as it relates to this
particular case. But you know, there's a lot of details
that should matter to people anyway. Greg Jarrett back with
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us Fox News Legal analysts, best selling author Paul Dan's
with US Heritage Foundation twenty years a New York City attorney,
now the director of the Heritage Project twenty twenty five.
Welcome both of you to the program. Appreciate you being
with us. Greg, You've been following this case every second,
every minute, and every every you know, you've heard every
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comma uttered, every every um said in the courtroom. Look,
I think all the comments that have been made by
every attorney that I know, like and admire has been
dead on, starting with yourself and Jonathan Turley and people
like this.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
However, I still.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Don't believe that Donald Trump can get a fair trial
in New York City or DC or Fulton County, Georgia.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
And I don't believe this case has it all been
about what the facts or the law is. I mean,
the judge has allowed a case to go forward where
a defendant basically doesn't even know what he's being charge with.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Oh, it's true. And you know, no fair or competent
judge dedicated to aholding the law would have ever allowed
this train wreck of a trial to have desecrated the
integrity of our justice system. But Judge wanmer Shawan is
the engineer. He's driving this out of control locomotive. He's
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all but you know, taking off his black rows, step
down from the bench and taken up residents at the
prosecution's table. He's mangled the rules of evidence that strictly
prohibit irrelevant prejudicial testimony that outweighs its probative value. It's
fundamentally unfair to allow what's happened here to smear a
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defendant with these sordid stories that have little or nothing
to do with the offense's charge. The majority of the
evidence has really been shameless character assassination. Judge Marchon should
have stopped the charade a long time ago. His errant
rulings have reversible air written all over them. But you know,
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neither he nor his co prosecutor, Alvin Bragg could care less.
Their objective is, as you say, to convict Trump, to
interfere in the upcoming presidential election, and that is a travesty.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
And they've kept Donald Trump off the campaign trail for
going on a month now, while Joe Biden basically has
the campaign field wide open to himself. You know, Paul,
I don't want to be Debbie Downer here, but I'm
just speaking reality. I don't believe in a city or
a venue where ninety percent of those registered or Democrats,
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that Donald Trump can get a fair trial. The judge
in the case is a Biden donor. The issues about
conflicts of interest with his daughter have come up and
have been extensively discussed. You have a misdemeanor whose statute
the limitations of long since passed. And with all of
that said, and no evidence of any crime committed, not
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a single intelligent attorney that I know feels that any
crime has been exposed in this.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Case, but I still expect a guilty verdict.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I mean, I'd like to be more optimistic, but I'm
not Pollyannish. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie to
my audience.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Well, I wish I could tell you you're wrong. But you
know what, people have to realize what's going on in
Lower Manhattan is not a criminal trial. It's a Biden
Harris re election campaign operation. And what they've done is programmed.
This we now know has been being quarterbacked out of
the Biden voj and the White House. This is one
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of four and it's all part of a larger story.
They can't run on the record Donald Trump. Everyone remembers
how good life was under him and now looks at
the buying record. So that's off the table. You know,
you have one hundred thousand people showing up to see
Donald Trump one hundred and fifty miles from that courthouse.
New Jersey is now and play, Virginia is now and play.
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People are seen through this. But at the same time,
you know, what is the Bid Harris reelection strategy twenty twenty?
It was it was the basement, hide them away. You
can't do that when you're when you're president. Now he
can't run on his records, and now he has the
courthouse strategy, and.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Well he also can't go up the big boy steps
of Air Force one. And he's got his new special
you know, supports sneakers with extra sticky souls. Then he
has a crowd surrounding him on his way to and
from Marine one. Now he's giving you know, shorter speeches.
Quality over quantity, they tell us. And he still can't
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have a clean campaign event anyway. But here's the problem here,
you've got you know, And now on Cross I mean yeah,
they're exposing the star witness Michael Cohne, a disbarred lawyer
Trump hater, released from prison in twenty twenty multi year
sentence for tax evasion, bank fraud, a variety of other crimes,
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convicted of lying to Congress after lying under oath. By
the way, on top of that, facing new allegations of
lying to Congress. Recently referred to the bidendj which we
know is weaponized. But if Donald Trump won, that certainly
could impack Michael Cohen's life. And Colin appears to be
what soliciting quote gifts on TikTok, wearing a T shirt
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depicting Trump behind bars, and then I didn't even know
about this till the New York Post reported on this.
Apparently he's been pushing and promoting some type of of
I Guess reality show mister fix It, and is hoping
I guess to make money that way off this case.
I mean, you can't even make this up. But is
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that going to have any impact on the jury.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Well, you know, if you were, you know, casting for
a movie call it witness for the Persecution, and this
guy would be out of central casting for it. Nothing
he says is believable. And you know, generally on a
cross sex you'd be saying are you lying now or
were you lying then? Or in this case do you
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just whiley all the time? This guy is wholly unbelievable.
The reality, though, what you're seeing is someone who's been
in and out of these courtrooms for almost twenty five years,
who sat on two criminal juries in State Supreme Court
down Lower Manhattan. I would like to think the better
of my fellow citizens, But as someone who recently also
left New York, I can tell you that Trump's arrangement
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is real and even the best of minds, the level
headed people, when you get that level of contegion going
on with all the stuff mershons let in as Grag
was saying, it's really just a purulent parade through really old,
salacious allegations which have no bearing on the criminal case.
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You know, the criminal case hasn't even been set forth.
What the actual crime being charged is that the deprivations
due process. Any ninth grader would be able to tell
you that due process requires notice and opportunity to be hurt.
They have to tell you what the crime is. So
all this is part of the plan, though they know
what they're doing is wrong. The whole game here is
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to leg it out past the election and hit Donald.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Trump as much as possible.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
That's how progresses play. The only answer we have is
to go on the offense. That's why the RNC needs
to step up. They need to shut this down. Their
candidate is now being denied moving around forty nine other states.
What's happening there? And State ag should take a listen.
Their citizens are being denied their civil rights by not
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being able to listen to Donald Trump. He's under an
unconstitutional gag order, he can't come to the Pennsylvania primaries,
he can't go out and raise money. He's waylaid in
one state. Have this happened in the nineteen sixties, say
you know they took JFK, you know, off the trail
and put him in a you know, a court pouce
in Alabama. You would have seen the same thing. But like,
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where is the outrage? You know? The speaker comes today
and talks on the steps. That's great, thank you. You've
been speaker for six months. Do something user overside powers
issues the poenis. We don't need talk, we need action,
action action.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Let's get your take on the legal side of this
and what you see unfolding in that courtroom. And I
guess I guess the question, Greg is is that do
you see hope of an acquittal?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I don't. Do you see hope of a hung jury?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Maybe outside chance, maybe twenty percent, twenty five percent chance.
I don't know, maybe that's even on the high side.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
But I'm just gonna go with my gut as I
just don't believe from the beginning and the get go
with this judge that really should have recused himself on
a variety of issues that he's going to give fair
jury instructions and that this jury is going to be
able to I guess, you know, filter through all the
muck and the Meyer and the bs and actually get
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to the issue of the law, which is the only
thing that should matter here. And the law is pretty straightforward.
If you look at seventeen f two about you know,
falsification of business records, it didn't happen. Donald Trump didn't
falsify business records. And paying a lawyer for doing his
job and having an NDA, which is not a illegal
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you know, hardly seems to have warranted a month's worth
of testimony.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Well, you've identified Alvin Bragg's warped legal theory. You know,
Trump's not an accountant. He was the CEO of a
multi billion dollar international company. He didn't designate computer entries
on private ledgers. That was an administrative matter, not an
executive responsibility. And the jurors have already heard in prior
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testimony the decision was made by the corporate controller to
book this a legal expenses, because that's what they were.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
And by the way, paying a lawyer is a legal expense,
isn't it. I have lawyers I pay them? Is that
a legal expense?
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Cohen had negotiated with Daniel's attorney, the legal contract that
resulted in a legal non disclosure agreement. That's a legal expense.
In addition, today Cohen, on the witness stand, admitted that, yes,
a substantial component of the money I got from Trump
in twenty and seventeen, which represents the thirty four misdemeanors
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against Trump. He said that was compensation for his newly
elevated position as the personal attorney for the president it represented.
He said service is rendered and a retainer for both
ongoing services and future services. So again, what does that mean.
It means that book entries were properly defined as legal expenses,
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which means the core of the charges against Trump, Alvin
Brad can't win. He can't possibly win it in a
normal trial. But I operate on the presumption that these
are biased jurors who hid their prejudice against Trump. They're
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predisposed to convict, and if it turns out, there's no
doubt they're gonna hate Michael Cohen on cross examination, he's loathsome,
he's vile. Everybody hates him.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
The question is do they?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
But he's been prepped to death. I mean to stay
calm and not get rattled. And he's got his glib answers.
And by the way, I mean, I kind of have
a problem when the prosecution is prepping you know, Stormy Daniels,
and I liked to know if they prepped Michael Comb too.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Oh, I'm sure they did, of course they did. So
the question becomes, do they hate Donald Trump more because
of his politics and we're willing to ignore the law,
ignore the evidence, and convict him because we just don't
like him and we want to help Joe Biden get elected.
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If that is the conscience of this jury, which is offensive,
then you know.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
What does your gut tell you? You're a pretty smart attorney, Greg,
I have known you for a long time.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yeah, you know. I'd say it's fifty to fifty. There's
no chance for an acquittal. I would say one of
the two juror jurors who were lawyers, maybe both of
them may see through this sham, this charade and remember
what they learned in law school. If that happens, then
you know, maybe he can get a hung jury. I'd
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say it's fifty fifty either conviction or hung jury.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Paul, let's get your prediction.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Well, I sat on two of those criminal juries, and
I was a conservative living in plainside Manhattan, so I
was a rare bird. I wish I could think that
the attorneys in particular are gonna are really gonna get
that deep sense of fair plane substantial justice. I just
don't know. And in today's twenty twenty four version of
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New York it's a little different even than when I
left in nineteen.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
You know, they what we're seeing right.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Now is an unraveling of the rule of law. I
don't know how any of these folks can go back
to life and practice criminal defense and say this was
an exception how we treated Trump. But the reality is
these jurors also have to go back to their lives
in Manhattan, and if they don't convict, they are going
to be pillories. So I think I agree with you there.
It's maybe no fair trial for Donald Trump in really
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any courthouse. It's just institutionally incompetent to try a former president,
particularly one running for president. So it's you know, where
could he get a fair trial? And the fair trial
is going to be at the ballot box November five.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
I don't think this has any impact come November fifth
and the days in the early voting leaning up to it.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's my take. It'll be long forgotten. We'll see if
I'm right.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
But this is why, you know, weaponization of our justice
system is a critical issue for the country because it's
our whole constitutional system that is hanging in the balance here.
Paul Dan's thank you, Greg, Jared, thank you. All right,
let's get to our busy phones. We've been spent a
lot of time on all of this trial issue. Michael
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Cohone doesn't recall being the one to leak that he
handed his phones over to the DA's office. I have
no memory of that anyway. So and the whole cross
examination going into his credibility is you know, been going
on the last hour and a half or so. Anyway,
Let's say hi to Carol in California, Carol High, how
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are you glad.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
You called Kaye?
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Yeah, the very thing that they talked about about bringing
everybody together and voting for him, I said, I think
that that was a farce that they did.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Actually, right now, this is like a third world country
that I'm looking at, and it's like Bernie on the weekend.
They bring him by now, and they just peddle him
along and they act like he's in charge. But I
think there's a combined effort of several different hits together
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running the situation. Who it is. It's not his doing.
He may be awakeed times, but then most of the
time he's not even there. So we're getting somebody that
we didn't even vote for. That's the situation here.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Look, I will tell you, I think you're you know,
I think you're hitting the nail on the head. I
think you got a guy that doesn't even really know
what day of the week it is. I have no
confidence in his ability to lead. His policies have failed spectacularly.
We're suffering as a nation. The world is suffering as
a result. You know, I wrote a book, Live Free
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or Die, America and the World on the Brink. I
wrote that book before the twenty twenty election, and I
had not written a book in ten years. And I'm
going to tell you why I don't like writing books.
It's too much work, it's too hard, And I admire
those people that do it. I did it because I
felt compelled to do it. I did it because I
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felt the moment called for it. And I wanted to
lay out I wish I was wrong. This guy gets elected,
Look what he has done to this country. Look what
he has done to our economy. Look what he has
done in terms of a lack of law, order and
civility in small towns and big cities all around the country.
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Look at what he has done with our border. And
you know, ten plus million unvetted illegal immigrants coming from
you know, our top geopolitical foes, those that we know
are are you know, up to their eyeballs and radical
Islamic terrorism like Iran. I mean, why we have people
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at Iran showing up at our southern border, tens of
thousands from China, Russia, Syria, Iran, Yemen, Egypt, Afghanistan. Why
do you think they're coming here? And this is this
allways preventable if we didn't elect, if this guy wasn't elected.
And I am saying, America now has a choice. Now
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in one hundred and seventy four days, it's election day,
but election voting starts early in many of not most states.
Now we have a full interactive map on hannity dot
com talking about registering, how to vote by mail, how
to vote early, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
And I urge everybody.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
You just you say, well, Hannity, I don't trust I
don't trust the system either, do I. However, it's the
system we're stuck with. And if you really want to
change the system, the only way to do it is
to win an election, and do it now. I have
a chance. And don't think that you got your vote
doesn't matter. It matters. I mean, look at America, having
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abdicated our role in the world stage. Who would have
ever thought in American president whatever would ever be end
up emboldening and empowering radical Islamic terrorists by pressuring our
our number one ally in the Middle East to do
anything other than win their war against those people that
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slaughtered all those Israelis on October the seventh and took
the hundreds hostage, including Americans. By the way, it's these
unbelievable times we live in. But anyway, Yeah, they want
to keep Trump wrapped up in court and there. If
they could, they would keep them there for the next
one hundred and seventy four days. But that's not going
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to happen, thankfully. I don't see that happening. Carol, appreciate
the call.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Let us say hi to Emma, Long Island, New York,
my former home in town.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
What's going up? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Emma?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
How are you?
Speaker 8 (19:58):
Temaw are you? I just wanted to talk about voter integrity.
I my daughter registered. My daughter, she's sixteen years old.
I register her for her driver's license, her junior's license,
and they asked me if I wanted to register her
to vote, and I marked.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
The box yes.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
Fast forward a couple months later, I get a notification
in my mail with where which calling site she has
to go to vote in this November's election. My name,
my husband's name, and her name is on it. She's
got a voter IDEP number. So she, sixteen years old,
is now allowed to vote in November's election.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
What say you?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Well, I think that if a sixteen year old is
allowed to register to vote because of mode of voter
and we know of a big push by Democrats. New
York City was an example. They were pushing for illegals
to vote local elections and recently the DC City Council,
but other areas around the country as well. We know
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where this is headed, and you know for all to
talk about illegal immigration. Let me tell you what the
next push is. Democrats win this election, let me tell
you where that's headed. There's going to be a massive
push towards well, they're here anyway. Let's be the party
the pushes to give them amnesty. Now you may not
know this. I know this. If you want to buy
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a passport to another country, if you want a passport
and you want to become let's say you want dual citizenship,
whatever the country happens to be, maybe a country in Europe.
Maybe maybe you want to try Australia or New Zealand
and say, all right, I like New Zealand. And it's
very hard, and it's very expensive in some countries. It's
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very inexpensive in other countries Antiga, for example, Belize, Saint Kitts, Nivis, Malta,
other countries in Europe, you can get dual citizenship and
it takes either an investment or a certain amount of
money or jobs created. They have all different systems. We
can get another passport. Well those things, you know, most
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countries are that are selling them are making a fortune
doing it, or they're having people invest the fortune in
their country and their economies to get in exchange for
the passport. Democrats will basically say they want amnesty, will
get nothing in return, and they will offer something. Is
there any more valuable passport in the world than a
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US passport? I don't think so. And what do you
think that Democrats want to do that for? Well, if
we give you this thing that you know would have
cost you millions in New Zealand and Australia, I assume
you're going to like our party better than that party
that wanted to send you home. Does that sound like
a possibility or a far fetch radical MSDNC conspiracy theory.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
I just want to I want to know what to
do about this.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
If I have.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
The first thing I would do is I'd go talk
to the election people and say, you know, my daughter
was at the DMV. They let her vote. She's not
a voting age. That's the first thing I would do.
And then the next thing I do is contact my
local representative and state representative and local congress person. I
don't know what district you're in, and I would say yeah,
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I would say, excuse me, my daughter went to get
her permit. I assume she's getting a permit at sixteen
in New York. I do know those laws. She doesn't
get a license till seventeen, and I would say that
this shouldn't be allowed. It's against the law, and why
is this happening and demand an answer and hopefully somebody
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with some integrity will want to fix it for you.
Speaker 8 (23:43):
I even want to contact the RNC and let them
know about it. But this has to be resolved because
I know where we lean, and we're honest. We won't
vote at sixteen, but you can have people who are
not honest and voting at sixteen, and you know people
vote for.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
Them, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
By the way, Mike Johnson was at the and I
appreciate the call, but you raise a good issue. Let
me play Mike Johnson, he's actually been sitting in the
courtroom of the Trump trial today and listen to what
he had to say. He said, they are keeping Trump
in court intentionally to keep him off the campaign trail.
Speaker 9 (24:18):
President Trump is a friend and I wanted to be
here to support him. I'm here speaking with you outside
because the court won't allow us to speak inside the building.
That's just one of the many things that are wrong here.
This is the fifth week that President Trump has been
in court for this sham of a trial. They are
doing this intentionally to keep him here and keep him
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off of the campaign trail. I think everybody in the
country can see that for what it is.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
And I also want to remind you of what Bill maher.
He went back to twenty eighteen to pull out an
old interview with Stormy Daniels which he said, which he
said was she was a bad difference and as she
made a different claim in twenty eighteen on his show
about the with Donald Trump.
Speaker 10 (25:01):
And she's a bad witness. Because let me show you
a little video. This is when I had Stormy on
in twenty eighteen, and first I asked her why she
had sex with Trump. Listening to that, and then listen
to what she says after that, and then we're gonna
talk about the trial because it's quite a variance of
what she said to me in twenty eighteen. Why did
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you Donald Trump? Okay, but you say it's not a
me two cake, It is not a.
Speaker 11 (25:27):
Me two king.
Speaker 12 (25:28):
I mean, I wasn't assaulted. I wasn't attacked or raped
or coerce or black melt. They tried to shove me
in the meat two box of for their own agenda.
And first of all, I didn't want any part of
that because it's not the truth and I'm not a
vixim in that regard.
Speaker 10 (25:45):
That's not what she's saying. No, she's talking about he
was bigger and blocking the way. It's all the me
too buzzwords. She said there was a power, imbalance of power.
For sure. My hands were shaking, so she said she
blacked out, blacked out.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Anyway, It's pretty unbelievable. Even Dan Goldman had to admit
Michael Cohene is an admitted liar.
Speaker 11 (26:11):
Listen, because what is happening now is as he's on
direct examination, he's testifying, and the jury is seeing how
what he is saying is consistent with what David Pecker said,
with what Stormy Daniels said, with what other witnesses said,
because the DA knows that they are going to have
to corroborate him because he is an admitted perjurer.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
He is an admitted liar.
Speaker 11 (26:36):
He has testified inconsistently on the stand, so he's either
lying one time or the other, and he will be
really skeward on cross examination for that.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
All right, quick break right back, more of your phone
calls coming up toll free. It is eight hundred and
nine to four one, Sean, if you want to be
a part of the program as we roll along, And
now a word from the forty six president of the
United States.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
You know you haven't your line, dog faced pony soldier
you said you are, but you're now you gotta be honest.
Speaker 10 (27:13):
I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Sean.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Hannity is on right now, back for our poems we go.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Let us say we got two calls from Missouri. Who
should we go to? First? Christ and Missouri? You are
on longer? How are you?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Hey? How are you?
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Sean?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
What's going on? What's on your mind today? I'm losing
you Joe in Missouri. We'll try Joe. How are you?
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Joe? I want your opinion about something I've been thinking about.
And I've heard that the Republicans are trying to maybe
impeach Biden over the not given arms to Israel and stuff.
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But we all know that he should be impeached over
his criminal activity with China, Russia and Ukraine and everything.
But just let's picture that they do get together and
send it over to the Senate. And do you think
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with all the stuff that's going on with kind of
like they're scared of, you know, Biden writing again, would
there be eleven senators in the Senate to join the Republicans?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
And no, no, never, no.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I mean the whole Ukraine impeachment was what about a
quid pro quoll? So you have congressionally allocated appropriated monies
as it relates to Israel, and Joe before is withholding
those funds unless they do what he wants. How's that
not a quid pro quo? And Joe Biden's own words
come back to haunt him on that pretty amazing At.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
The same time, though we all know what he his
son did in Ukraine and what Biden did. I mean,
that's that's more credible grounds that I'm taken to impeach.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
But oh, I mean if the democratic standard on Ukraine
about a quid pro quo is applied to Biden and
he gets impeached by the same Democrats that impeach Trump,
but that doesn't fit their democratic you know narrative.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Look, let me say the last thing.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Democrats circle the wagons and Republicans create circular firing squads.
I hope in the next one hundred and seventy four
days they joined together. That would be very helpful
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