April 26, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug talks about the player that is overwhelmingly considered the favorite to go number one in the NFL Draft, Caleb Williams, and explains who the Bears are getting in the former USC quarterback. Doug welcomes FSR NBA Insider Mark Medina onto the show to talk about all of the major headlines in the NBA playoffs. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug and the crew through a game of "I Feel A Draft?".
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Draft Day, right right, It's Draft Day, which is a
big thing. And tonight we got great draft coverage right
here on Fox Sports Radio starting at eight eastern five Pacific,
brought to you by Express Pros. You know, most people
think the draft starts at two, right, because whoever the
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Washington commanders take then sets us in a path of
what quarterback goes next, what a quarterback goes next, et cetera,
et cetera. And that's probably mostly accurate. But I think
the draft starts obviously at one, not just because Chicago
hasn't officially made the pick, but because it does set
us on this course, and it's a very unique first
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overall pick in the draft. By my estimation, Caleb Williams
is the first of his kind. The first of his kind.
We've seen other transfer quarterbacks go number one overall. We've
seen other transfer quarterbacks who play for Lincoln Riley go
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number one overall. We've seen other Oklahoma quarterbacks, other USC quarterbacks.
We've seen guys who have great years win a Heisman
Trophy and then sort of disappointing years in their final
year in college go number one overall and have varying
degrees of success. What we haven't seen is the generation
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of players that have never been told no before. I'd
never been told no before. And that's what happens when
you throw a lot of money at people. It's really
hard to tell him no because you financially you have
skin in the game. Remember this is Caleb Williams who
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didn't play his high school senior year because it was
a COVID year. And despite that, he's come out and said, hey,
I thought I should have started day one, Like I
was really mad I didn't start to stay one when
Spencer Ratler was there ahead of him, and Spencer Ratler
at the time was thought to be the number one
quarterback prospect in college in America. Yeah, it took him
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some time to beat him out and to get that opportunity.
But the fact is that the reason Caleb Williams thought
for sure he'd get to start and play right away
is well, he's never been told no before. Then his
coach leaves, and if you remember again the timeline of it,
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when the initial portal window opened, he didn't transfer right away.
It took a long time to get that deal done.
What does that mean? It was a bidding war, and
unlike quarterbacks in previous eras, I know that Joe Burrow
didn't have to sit out, but Joe Burrow also hadn't played,
you know, and that's why he got his degree at
Ohio State. But guys had to sit out previously when
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they transferred in couldn't.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Play right away.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
He didn't, you know why, because we don't tell these
guys now anymore.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
He doesn't.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I mean, like listen, I don't think the story landed
well and I don't think he would ever do it.
But the fact is he would make more money staying
in college than he would playing next year in the NFL. Now,
the reason that you want to play in the NFL
is you want to get through that third year and
get your second contract, because that's generation of wealth, the
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likes of which college supports to this point cannot compete against.
He's not the first transfer quarterback. He's not the first
quarterback to get paid. He's not the first quarterback to
have great success followed by a disappointing season. He's not.
But if you factor in all of those things together,
and then you have the eccentricities of the fingernail polish,
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the things written on him, the use of social media,
some of the confidence bordering on arrogant statements. This is
a different generation of dude, a different generation of dude,
and that's what he represents. That's what he represents. Remember,
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Eli and Peyton Manning came from wealth. That's the first
family of football. Archie is an amazing dude. He's really
well respected. Andrew Luck came from wealth. But Andrew Luck,
Peyton Manning, Eli Manning. You name the quarterback, Deshaun Watson
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pick the number one overall pick. That's a bit of
quarterback successful fairy doesn't matter. They may have they came
from different levels of the economy. But the difference is
with this one. It's not Caleb's dad that has money.
It's not his family that has money. Caleb has money.
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And I'll take from Chris Carter that says. Chris Carter
always said money doesn't change you. It makes you more
of who you really are. And then you factor in
the old Mike Tyson expression saying, which was, if you
want to see real tragedy, give an eighteen nineteen year
old a limitless budget and not you know, and not
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have their parents around and see what happens. Now, he
does have his parents in his life, but they haven't
been with him for the last two years, three years,
and he does have millions of dollars and he's basically
been allowed to do whatever he wants with it. And
oh yeah, by the way, you know, things are going
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to get hard for the first time around. And he's
never been told no, he's never been told what you're
doing is wrong. He's going to be on his own.
He's going to be a professional. He's going to be
viewed as a guy who is arrogant or super super confident,
and it's going to be fascinating to see how this
works out. Oh yeah, by the way, you have a
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quarterback deprived city. You have a city that Chicago has
a lot of amazing things, despite the fact the weather sucks.
Even in the summer. It might be the best summer
city in America because everybody comes to Chicago to go
to the lake. I helpe you understand that, like in
New York. I love New York summers. A little hot,
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smells a little bit of urine. But on the weekend,
you can park anywhere on the streets because people go
either to Connecticut or upstate, or to a lake, or
they go out to the island, they go to Montauk,
they go down the Jersey Shore. They scatter you go
throughout all of these cities. Miami's too hot in the summer.
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Texas too hot in the summer. Chicago might be the
best summer city in America. They have great sports fans,
They have some great tradition with the Bears. It looks
like they're going to keep the Bears in Chicago right
by the water. All those things are good. They no
longer have the curse of the Billy Goat. No curses
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with the White Sox no curses with the Bears, and
though the Bulls aren't currently a championship caliber team, they
do have the Michael Jordan legacy. Like all of these things,
it's a great sports town. It's an amazing place to live.
You know what they haven't had, they haven't had a
franchise quarterback. So you walk in with a confidence not
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previously seen, right, because nothing gives you as much confidence
as I got ten million in the bank. If I fail,
I'm rich, I'm good. Right, you walk in with the
he's not a West Coast guy, right, he's from DC.
But the perception is you come in from sc paint
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your fingernail polish, do things a little differently, walk differently,
talk differently. That gets viewed if you don't play well
on a more negative scale. More quickly, what's the expression
from from Bull Durham Jay stew about being eccentric when
you're in the Myers.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah about foot fungus. Yes, you won twenty games on
the show, then you're eccentric. If you lose, you're just
a clown and bad fungus shoes.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Whatever, Yeah, you got your you have bad hygiene, you're
you're a slop. Right, which is the same thing for
Kayleb Williams. If you win, nobody cares literally at people champion,
everybody will start painting their nails. In Chicago, everybody start
doing the Caaleb Williams whatever touchdown celebrations. But if you
lose or you're not super successful early, it's the another
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Mitch Trubisky, California guy with a fingernail polish. He doesn't care,
he's got money. Anyway, it can be used against you.
This is a very different era we are entering into.
We have had transfers before. Obviously, We've had players that
have gotten paid before. We've had quarterbacks that have come
from affluence before. We've had guys come from Lincoln Riley's
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system before. We've had quarterbacks that have been Heisman Trumphy winners.
We've had quarterbacks that have been HIGHSMO Trump winners and
then not been as good the next year. All of
this we've seen before. We have not seen all of
these things together in this type of packaging personality. And
you're going, I went to Chicago. It's a different deal.
Twenty twenty four is the first year of the true
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nil transfer quarterback. And if you don't think that changes
how we look at things. I will give you one
very very easy analogy I liked. I've used this analogy
for the entirety of my time in radio, and it
always works. Are you guys familiar, I know? Does anybody
get the newspaper anymore?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
The physical paper? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
No, I don't know, Dan Byer, any physical paper you get.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
We somehow have gotten a subscription to USA Today because
it's on my driveway every single morning.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
It's amazing, Sam. When was the last time you got
a newspaper in your driveway?
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Oh? Man?
Speaker 6 (10:44):
I mean I subscribed to a digital paper, but I
have not probably a couple years.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
At like an airport, I've purchased a.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
My mom still gets the Orange kinnt of Register in
the La Times, Orange County, Okay. But in those papers,
you may remember, on the Sunday edition they would have
the Parade magazine, and on one year in the Parade
magazine they would have what people make, And your entire
perception of people changes based upon what Parade magazine said
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their field made. In Dubuque, Iowa, You're like, what are
you kidne me here? A librarian in Dubuque makes seventy
five grand well, that's got to go a long way
in Dubuque, right. A postal worker in Cheyenne, Wyoming makes
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a buck twenty five, And then you start thinking, like, man,
can you imagine the weather in Cheyenwa? That goes a
long way? How long? You don't have the factors of
how long the guy's been at his job, how long
he's been doing it, what else he does, whatever, But
you read those magazines and you look at people differently.
You're like, dude, the garbage man makes one hundred grand,
I don't feel so bad for the garbage man, Like
that's not a bad gig, plus you get full benefits.
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Or if the garbage man makes four forty grand, you're like, dude,
I feel really bad for him. I'm gonna separate my trash.
I'm gonna do it the right way. I'm gonna make
sure and for like a month, you line out your
trash perfectly. We perceive people totally different we do with athletes.
Same guy can be on a rookie deal, signed this
next deal. You're like, this guy's a bum, he's not
worth thirty million. Well, last year he was only making
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two and he was underpaid. Right, I say, that because
it changes our perception of people. And then when you
have money, one everybody knows you have money. You're supposed
to dress different, act different, walk different, talk different, surround
yourself with better, smarter, more forward thinking people. You're gonna
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be different. Once you get that first big check, everybody is,
you'll feel yourself a little bit, and then at some point,
hopefully you have people around you that helped level you off.
Kayleb Williams is the first, and because no one really
knows how much he made at SC but everybody leaves
that it's upwards of eight figures over two years. He's
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walking in with a bunch of change in his pocket.
He's walking in with a huge social media following. He's
walking in with a perception, maybe not a reality, but
perception of being just kind of a West Coast dude,
unafraid to push the bounds of how we view sexuality
as well as leadership and quarterback play. A guy who
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is literally irreverent, and he's going to a place that's
in the Midwest hardcore football. They've been dying for a
quarterback for fifty years. They've been dying for a quarterback,
and you better deliver dude, Otherwise it's going to be
a hard run for you. Stuck Gottleib show here on
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Most things. The thing you're most excited about about Tonight's
draft most excited about.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
I'm just curious what the Seahawks are gonna do. Yeah,
I don't will they a weird way of looking at it,
like of one thing, Like I think we all just
kind of like take it in. I mean, if you're
a fan of your team, you're you're a you're a
very big If I'm wrong, Is that a weird question
from Doug Jason.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
They're saying I specifically wore my Chargers polo today because
I'm fired up for the right tackle we're gonna start that.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Of course he's excited for the Chargers. I'm you know,
excited for the Seahawks. But I'm not like man is
Malik Neighbors gonna you know, like, I think your for
your team, right, It's gotta gotta be what it is.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I I teach you up
and probably unfairly so because I did think you you
probably wonder I'm wondering aloud, maybe what the Seahawks are
going like this is a whole new Seahawks regime.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yes, right, yes, so this is so and I get it,
like their story lines like where does Pannix go? Where
does bo Nix go? Like I don't but you know,
like but I'm not, like, man, where does bo Nicks go?
Like I'm like, what are are they going to trade
down again? Now that Pete Carroll's not there? How different
it is?
Speaker 4 (15:10):
So?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, so I'm yeah, I don't even know they're gonna
make a pick tonight, you know, to be honest with you,
because there's been some you could trade down twice in
this draft and pick up other picks because they don't
have a second rounder. So I'm Seahawks focus tonight though.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Okay, well we'll go around the room. And by the way,
a belated happy birthday to Brody who celebrated cured birthday. Yes, three, cute,
cute two. You do know you have heard my thing
about three year olds are worse than two year olds?
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Right, yes? Yeah, yeah, finding finding that out.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yes, he's a birthday guy, Uh, what are you gonna say?
Speaker 5 (15:48):
There?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Jays the terrible twos. The only reason why that is
the case is because of literation. Yes, if if you
could find a literation with three, then it would become
a thing. But terrible twos is just such.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
You know, well, no, two years Two years old is
a tough year, right, because now they can talk, they
can walk.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Probably isn't any tougher than one or three. But because
you throw the alliteration in there, it's what makes Dodger
dogs so amazing because they're Dodger dogs.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Jason's obsessed with alliteration.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I I think he's he has he has a point.
It's a portion of it, but a big portion of
it is kids can be a holes when they're two. Right,
it's they're they're not babies anymore, yet there's used to
being This actually is kind of parallels to college athletes. Right,
you're not babied anymore, but they still want to be baby.
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They still and they also learn the word no. Yes,
they can use the word no, and you're like, all right,
what do I do here? He says no, Oh it's
a hard one. But they're also like rookie, this is
where I've always said two year olds are like rookie quarterbacks.
You have limited expectations of them. Like he's a rookie,
I's two years old. Of course he pooped his pants.
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You're three, You poop your pants, right when you've been
in a big boy, big girl bed. For is he
in a big, big girl bed yet? Not a big
girl bed yet, but big boy busy? Are we trending
towards that? Are we purchasing one of those?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Where are we at? Yeah? Yeah, well it's one of
those convertible sort of.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Convertible thing, convertible crip smart purchase.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
I hope you, I hope you brought. You have plenty
of water for the next three hundred and sixty five days.
Because everyone knows about the thirsty threes. You've got to
keep them hydrated. Thirsty threes.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
My bint has always been, and Dan, previous to him
having a child, knows that that. My point has always been,
it's about your expectations, right, And they're still three years old,
they still don't know anything. They still are just becoming
potty trained, just getting to a big boy bed. And
yet you know your expectations of them are not the
terrible twos because of alliteration, but also like you went
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through the Terrible twos. Same thing with rookie quarterbacks. We
give them a pass at times, like, ah, he's a rookie, right,
Jordan Loves an example, Jordan Love was not a rookie
this year, but because of this his first year starting
when they choke and he misses some throws against the
Niners in the NFC playoffs, what'd you hear? Everybody say?
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Why Jordan Loved? You know, it's only his first year,
it's his first road playoff game. Next year doesn't happen anymore.
So Brody's got to come through in road playoff games.
That's pretty obvious. That's a big thing for him this
year is how does he perform on the road in
hostile environments. That's a big question I have for your son.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
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Speaker 2 (18:41):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Woh you hear that song?
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Speaker 3 (18:47):
Right?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Mark Medina around the corner? Huh, funky Cole Medina, I'm
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not without looking? Is this ninety three?
Speaker 7 (19:13):
I is it?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
I thought it was late late eighties. Wasn't this an
Uncle Buck? Uncle Buck's a great movie that was like
nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Really I remember it more high school than middle school
or elementary school. We have do you have a ruling
on that? We'll get to that first. Let's get to
Dan Byer. Then we'll get some funky Cole Medina with
our with our guy Mark Medina.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
What do you got the doug some draft rumors the
athletic you're saying the Rams are looking.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
At rumors surronomy every day to.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
The top ten FS ones. Jordan schultzays the Giants looking
to move up from six to possibly three with the Patriots.
Is they have their sights on North Carolina's Drake May
Arizona State transfer quarterback Jayden and Rashata has decided to
play at Georgia Day Baseball. Kerrie Sanchez hit a two
run shot for the Brewers in the eighth inning. They're
up on the Pirates six mile right now. In the
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ninth Guardians lead the Red Sox five to four, and
the seventh Twins have onward five times against the White
Sox at sixty five time heading to the ninth inning.
Philly's blanking the Reds five nothing in the eighth, while
the Royals have a two one edge on the J's
and the fifth. Astros having some tough times but right
now a one nothing edge on the Cubs in the fourth,
Mariners leading Texas to one in the fourth inning just
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getting underway, and the Rockies are on the board, leading
San Diego one to nothing. Three Game three tonight and
a game three tomorrow for the Bucks against the Pacers.
Weird tip five point thirty Eastern time. Doug Chris Middleton
may miss the game for Milwaukee because of an ankle injury.
Back to you, not good, not good?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Why the early tip time?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I was wondering that myself, very that's some funky cold Medina.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Well, let's let's let's ask nineteen by the way, nineteen
eighty nine for funky cold Medina, right, tone Loaks. That's
his second biggest song, isn't it? Second Biggs song?
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Oh yeah, Wild Thing was a much bigger song.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Let's welcome in Mark Badini. He joins us on the
Doug Gottlib Show. Any idea why we're getting like a
five thirty East Coast time start tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
You're talking in regards to the Box and Pacers. Yes,
I think that they want to make room for Clippers,
MAVs and Wolves Sons in primetime. Those are I guess
considered bigger matchups.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
There about the kids? So what about the kids? It's
I know, I'm kidding, I'm I'm kidding. Okay, a lot
of stuff to unpack. I thought, I like, look, if
you shoot twenty three or forty three from three, you're
gonna win most games. But the combination of the three
point shooting, not having Jimmy Butler playing a zone, and
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just kind of finding a way to get it done
against a roster that if you were to line up
and pick, hey, let's pick our fives outside of Tyler Hero,
I don't know how many of the Miami Heat actually
even get picked when you're when you're trying to line up,
you know, to pick two different pickup teams. What's your
take on the Celtics loss or the Heats win last night?
Speaker 5 (22:06):
My take is this, I mean, always credit the Heat
for always making the most out of anything, even if
it's scrap metal. And for the Celtics, I'm not gonna
say Okay, their championship hopes are doomed, or the heat
can replicate last year's you know, elimination series in the
East Finals. But it was puzzling that at some point
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they didn't try to contest better. And I think that
when you're looking from now until presumably the NBA Finals,
it's probably unrealistic to say Boston's got to sweep every series.
But there needs to be a relatively smooth path to
the finals because I think that they need to have
everything they have from a health standpoint, chemistry standpoint to
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presumably match up against the Denver Nuggets. So short term,
you know, I project, Christoph worzingis they'll have a much
better showing. I project that they'll play with better urgency.
Miami will continue to do Miami things, but talent will.
But I think that, you know, in the big picture
of things, this outcome, you know, I think highlighted some
of the complacency that they fall themselves into, and that
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itself could be a troubling sign if it creates more
turbulence than needed, that results and more attrition layer in
the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Stut Gotlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. What'd you
think of Outklahoma City's performance last night.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
I loved it. You know, I think that this is
what I really anticipated. In Game one, I didn't think
that the Pelicans really had much of a fighting chance
without Zion Williams, and I did think that Brandon Ingram
would be playing better in this series. But I think
that you know, when you weigh everything, shake Goiljess Alexander
should be in the MVP conversation, Lou Dert should finally
get on an all defensive team. I think Jalen Williams
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would be a candidate for the most Improved. They have
a really complete team from top to bottom, so I'm
not surprised whatsoever with just how dominant they were to give to.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Stut Gottlieb show. Here on Fox Sports Radio, Athy Davis
had a weird comment after their loss. I know, I
hear that the smile on your face, to laugh in
your voice, you know what's coming. This is a d
After the Game two loss, we.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
Have stretches where we just don't know what we're doing
on both ends of the floor.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Who is that directed at?
Speaker 5 (24:17):
We don't know for sure, but you know, Darvin Ham
for hitsworths ask about it because we connected the dots,
and you know, he eluded that quote as a product
of you know, in game frustration, frustration after the game.
But he defended himself. He at least seemed to interpret
that this was a shot at the coaching staff, and
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he said, you know, he agrees to disagree. It's understandable that,
you know, Anthony Davis would be frustrated. He was scoreless
in the final nineteen minutes the game too. They went
away from work to the beginning of the game with
featuring him in the offense. And I think that even
when you account for Denver making a defensive switch with
not having Yokech on him having Aaron Gordon, the Lakers
didn't do enough of a counter switch with having really
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Hatchamora on nikolea Jokic. So I think that moving forward,
what this means the Lakers can play all the best
basketball they want in the first half, it's not going
to mean anything because the Denver Nuggets have so much continuity,
they have adjustments, they're resilient, and the Lakers have to
be able to counter on that. Realistically, they can't counter
it because they don't have the same talent and depth
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and consistency with their supporting cast, but they can at
least do subtle things when it comes to matchups, and
I think most importantly making sure whether it's on eighties
responsibility as a team, that he is the primary focal
point on offense.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Stug Gottlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. Mark Medina
is our guest. Okay, so we have the Clippers then,
who lose to the Mavericks. But more than anything, like
I know, is his first game back, man Kawhi did
not look right. He did not look healthy enough to play,
and the ball moved better in Game one without him,
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as some of it was. Luca was amazing as well,
and they hit a bunch of threes. How do the
Clippers proceed in this series?
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Yeah, I think the Clippers looked at this as you know,
the the inevitable growing pains of his you know, conditioning,
because they hadn't played some smarts thirty first to your
point that the ball wasn't moving us better, That's something
that they conceded. They anticipate that things will get better
because they'll have a full prox practice of contact and
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also they'll be able to make adjustments. They felt like
even though they lost home court advantage. They're in the
driver's seat. But here are the problems. The Mavericks have
Luca Doctris and Kyrie Irving doing a lot of great things,
not only on offense but on defense. And they also
showed more improvement with playing physical, having some you know,
reliable offensive options beyond Luca and Kyrie. That it's not
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a four gone conclusion. Dallas can very well win this
series and with commanding force, and so I thought it
was somewhat of a risk that they threw Kyrie or
Kawhi Leonard out there without having an actual full contact practice.
Highway was saying, well, this is his contact. But I
think that it is a relatively comforting sign that this
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showed that this inflammation it is right knee isn't as
serious as the other injuries because there's nothing structurally wrong
according to the Clippers, that just you know, the inflammation
acting up. So that could be a good sign. But look,
as you know, it's anything with Kawhi, everything's up in
the air with his injury. So any idea that they're
fully healthy or they turned the corner, I mean, that's
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always for better and for worse, going to be a
day to day.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Stutg Gottliy's show here on Fox Sports Radio. Mark Medina is,
in fact our guest. Any chance we see Zion with
the Pelicans.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
I doubt it now. I know he expressed optimism earlier
this week that he could, but we have to keep
in mind that when he was given that official evaluation
last week that he was going to be evaluated two
weeks from now, which is now a week from now.
That's not when he's clear to play. That's when he's
going to be evalue reevaluated with clarity. And what he
can do next, and what I suspect that is is, yeah,
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he can start doing some more on court work. So
you look at the calendar here and the fact that
the thunder up to oh, it seems like the writing
is on the wall that he's not back for the playoffs.
But yeah, he, for what it's worth, is still with
the team. He's on the bench, he has been doing
some non contact work. So I guess you never technically
rule anything out, but frankly, I think the Pelicans will
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be out of the playoff picture before that's even possible.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Can the Suns figure something out and win a game
in this thing?
Speaker 5 (28:36):
They can win a game. I think they can even
win the series because when you have Kevin Durant and
Devin Booker and and Bradley feel healthy, they always have
a chance. But I think that what we're seeing through
this series is just a fundamental difference where Minnesota has
a lot more depth. They can absorb off nights from
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any of their star players. I mean, you look at
Anthony Edwards team points three or twelve shooting didn't matter
as much because Jade McDaniels had twenty five points out
of seventeen shooting and Chris Finch, the Wolves coach, has
often said that Jada McDaniels, of all people, is often
the barometer of the offense. And why he would say that,
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for you know, a good player but not someone of
Anthony Edwards in color Anthony Towns caliber, is that because
he is that secondary player. If he's getting looks, if
he's producing, that means there's a lot of cloudy balld movement.
So it's not just about Ant, not just about Kat.
They have, you know, Mike Conley doing things from a
point guard role, Rudy Gobert is handling things defensively, and
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then someone like Jada McDaniels can fill in the gaps,
you know, on both ends of the floor when you
know they need help because of one of their star
guys having an off night. Where with the Suns, you know,
I like Eric Gordon, you know, I like Grayson Allen
for what they can be as role players, but they're
so top heavy. It's it's always going to be about Durrant,
Beale and Booker, and if one or two of them
will have an off night, it's really hard for them
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to win again.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Him What about Giannis, what's his status.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Still up in the air. Hasn't been ruled out definitively
for Game three, but knowing how calf strains are, I
would be surprised that he would be back. This is
ironically different than Kawhi Leonard's injury, I would think, because
when you're looking at calf injuries, he would need to
have a full practice before coming back. I mean, you
may recall in twenty nineteen in the NBA Finals, Kevin
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Durant had that calf injury for a handful of games
and then he came back and had the Achilles. And
that's not to say that it directly correlated, but you
never want to leave things to change. I think that
that injury is more serious. And the other thing with
the Bucks is we don't know if Chris Midlson is
going to play now. He has an ankle injury. It's
less severe than that, but you know he got dinged
up at the end of Game two the other night.
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So yeahlke hasn't been all like how it's been all season.
The Bucks are always dealing with questions game to game.
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Speaker 3 (31:50):
Trady, what's the game today, Dan, Doug? The game today is.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
I feel a draft?
Speaker 3 (31:59):
All right, feel a draft? And today we are drafting.
I know you guys touched on this for about a
millisecond yesterday. Most memorable or favorite draft picks or moments
from the NFL drafts fitting easy topic. The draft order
is Jason's number one, Doug, your number two. Sam will
picked third. In the now will pick fourth, and we
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will reverse it in that order. Love it everybody?
Speaker 7 (32:22):
Good?
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yep, all right, Jason, you're on the clock.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I'm gonna steal Dove Climan's idea here. Dove Climban is
a polarizing Twitter subject, does a lot of repurposing. He's
kind of a I don't know if he's a blog.
I'm not wor I think he's with bro Bible. Anyways,
he posted this, and I do I share. It's my
favorite draft moment of all time when C. D. Lamb
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gets drafted and they're showing him in his living room
and he's got his girlfriend sitting next to him, and
he's got two phones. And she reaches over and grabs
one of the phone and he is not having it.
He takes it back and he gets are a death stare.
I think as men, as you know, just normal men,
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we're used. We know what that look is, we know
what that means, we know what he was going through.
My favorite draft moment, ceedee lamb.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
That's a good pick.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Good pick, good pick. Sam or number two.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
No, Doug number two.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah. I guess my challenge is to do something different
than I did yesterday.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Right, no, no, no, different listeners, different different time.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
And I wasn't here, so I wasn't privy that this was.
But if you got something, I'd love to hear it.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Well, I mean, I think the Larry Mee Tunstall leak
on social media is I mean, it took over the draft, right,
the entire draft was taken over because somebody posted a
video of him on Twitter smoking a bong with a
gas mask on.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
Was that the did that happen? Was the leak the
day before the draft? The day of it was like
as the first round was happening. It was the weirdest.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
He even knew.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
He was committed, Like, if you've got the gas mask,
I do remember and not to not to I'll throw
the person. I won't throw the person under the bus.
But one entity that was covering the draft had their
reporter asked Tunsil if that was him in the picture
because there was a still that they had only seen.
They didn't realize there was a whole video where he
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took the mask off and there is mug was and
there he was. But uh oh, another great moment in
draft history. All right, Sam, you're up at number three.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Well, I am a Green Bay Packers fan and watched
Aaron Rodgers have a great career in Green Bay. I
gotta go with his slide, his draft day slide in
two thousand and five. You could see the ego he
had already as a as a you know, fresh out
of college. Yes, he should have gone the top ten,
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but just to watch his face, the close ups on
his face, he was very uncomfortable. A lot of guys
just sort of just wait, shrug it off, just wait, wait,
waited out, but he was, uh, he was very upset, uncomfortable.
But it worked out because he won a championship in
Green Bay. And you know, it's probably one of the
greatest Green Bay Packer quarterbacks of all time. So I'm
taking Aaron Rodgers Draft day slide to twenty fourth.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
There anything else you want to add and then do
you want to keep going or you've done? Sam?
Speaker 6 (35:26):
Yeah, I think it was pretty concise there.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
I've got number four and five.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
By the way, I'm just I'm sorry getting interrupted. It
was a it was the whole first round the draft.
They kept showing him in.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
The zooming in Yeah, he'd go ahead, damn sad.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
I don't go back and forth on this, but Tac
McKinley because I love that he loved his grandmother so
much and make sure that that he yeah, that he
brought the photo of her and not just the wallet size.
It was, you know, an eleven by fourteen, I mean
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basically poster picture on stage. As much as I know
it was seemingly ridiculous, when you get to the heart
of the heart of it, I love it because that's
who meant the most to him. And then my next pick,
honestly because he started. I feel when you have these
former players announced picks. When Drew Pearson just took to
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the Philadelphia Eagle fan base in Philadelphia years back and
just like talk trash. Even though he's a cowboy, not
a Cowboys fan. It kind of started it. I think
others have. I think even mcavie did sort of his thing,
but I feel like Drew Pearson was the first one
to start it. So him trolling Eagles fans is my
number five.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
It's good.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
That's Sam, me, Sam, and then Doug and then.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
I'll go quick here. Let's go to the two thousand
and three NFL Draft. The Minnesota Vikings were tending to pick, yeah, seventh,
the seventh pickick in the first round, and they missed it.
They were completely disorganized, ended up picking ninth. Oops, Doug,
you got another Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
The COVID year draft. It was one of those, like
I get, we've had all these. We had the weird
one in Kansas City with the performers and all the awkwardness,
but the fact that we don't need any of that.
We could just do it for somebody's basement and be
perfectly happy. I thought that was cool.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
And Jason, your final pick, who in the hell is
mel Kuiper?
Speaker 5 (37:22):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Yeah, Bill Tobin nineteen ninety four. That's a great one.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Just passed away, Rip And that's game time.
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Draft Day, right right, It's Draft Day, which is a
big thing. And tonight we got great draft coverage right
here on Fox Sports Radio starting at eight eastern five Pacific,
brought to you by Express Pros. You know, most people
think the draft starts at two, right, because whoever the
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Washington commanders take then sets us in a path of
what quarterback goes next, what a quarterback goes next, et cetera,
et cetera. And that's probably mostly accurate. But I think
the draft starts obviously at one, not just because Chicago
hasn't officially made the pick, but because it does set
us on this course, and it's a very unique first
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overall pick in the draft. By my estimation, Caleb Williams
is the first of his kind. The first of his kind.
We've seen other transfer quarterbacks go number one overall. We've
seen other transfer quarterbacks who play for Lincoln Riley go
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number one overall. We've seen other Oklahoma quarterbacks, other USC quarterbacks.
We've seen guys who have great years win a Heisman
Trophy and then sort of disappointing years in their final
year in college go number one overall and have varying
degrees of success. What we haven't seen is the generation
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of players that have never been told no before. I'd
never been told no before. And that's what happens when
you throw a lot of money at people. It's really
hard to tell him no because you financially you have
skin in the game. Remember this is Caleb Williams who
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didn't play his high school senior year because it was
a COVID year. And despite that, he's come out and said, hey,
I thought I should have started day one, Like I
was really mad I didn't start to stay one when
Spencer Ratler was there ahead of him, and Spencer Ratler
at the time was thought to be the number one
quarterback prospect in college in America. Yeah, it took him
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some time to beat him out and to get that opportunity.
But the fact is that the reason Caleb Williams thought
for sure he'd get to start and play right away
is well, he's never been told no before. Then his
coach leaves, and if you remember again the timeline of it,
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when the initial portal window opened, he didn't transfer right away.
It took a long time to get that deal done.
What does that mean? It was a bidding war, and
unlike quarterbacks in previous eras, I know that Joe Burrow
didn't have to sit out, but Joe Burrow also hadn't played,
you know, and that's why he got his degree at
Ohio State. But guys had to sit out previously when
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they transferred in couldn't.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Play right away.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
He didn't, you know why, because we don't tell these
guys now anymore.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
He doesn't.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I mean, like listen, I don't think the story landed
well and I don't think he would ever do it.
But the fact is he would make more money staying
in college than he would playing next year in the NFL. Now,
the reason that you want to play in the NFL
is you want to get through that third year and
get your second contract, because that's generation of wealth, the
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likes of which college supports to this point cannot compete against.
He's not the first transfer quarterback. He's not the first
quarterback to get paid. He's not the first quarterback to
have great success followed by a disappointing season. He's not.
But if you factor in all of those things together,
and then you have the eccentricities of the fingernail polish,
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the things written on him, the use of social media,
some of the confidence bordering on arrogant statements. This is
a different generation of dude, a different generation of dude,
and that's what he represents. That's what he represents. Remember,
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Eli and Peyton Manning came from wealth. That's the first
family of football. Archie is an amazing dude. He's really
well respected. Andrew Luck came from wealth. But Andrew Luck,
Peyton Manning, Eli Manning. You name the quarterback, Deshaun Watson
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pick the number one overall pick. That's a bit of
quarterback successful fairy doesn't matter. They may have they came
from different levels of the economy. But the difference is
with this one. It's not Caleb's dad that has money.
It's not his family that has money. Caleb has money.
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And I'll take from Chris Carter that says. Chris Carter
always said money doesn't change you. It makes you more
of who you really are. And then you factor in
the old Mike Tyson expression saying, which was, if you
want to see real tragedy, give an eighteen nineteen year
old a limitless budget and not you know, and not
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have their parents around and see what happens. Now, he
does have his parents in his life, but they haven't
been with him for the last two years, three years,
and he does have millions of dollars and he's basically
been allowed to do whatever he wants with it. And
oh yeah, by the way, you know, things are going
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to get hard for the first time around. And he's
never been told no, he's never been told what you're
doing is wrong. He's going to be on his own.
He's going to be a professional. He's going to be
viewed as a guy who is arrogant or super super confident,
and it's going to be fascinating to see how this
works out. Oh yeah, by the way, you have a
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quarterback deprived city. You have a city that Chicago has
a lot of amazing things, despite the fact the weather sucks.
Even in the summer. It might be the best summer
city in America because everybody comes to Chicago to go
to the lake. I helpe you understand that, like in
New York. I love New York summers. A little hot,
(07:01):
smells a little bit of urine. But on the weekend,
you can park anywhere on the streets because people go
either to Connecticut or upstate, or to a lake, or
they go out to the island, they go to Montauk,
they go down the Jersey Shore. They scatter you go
throughout all of these cities. Miami's too hot in the summer.
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Texas too hot in the summer. Chicago might be the
best summer city in America. They have great sports fans,
They have some great tradition with the Bears. It looks
like they're going to keep the Bears in Chicago right
by the water. All those things are good. They no
longer have the curse of the Billy Goat. No curses
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with the White Sox no curses with the Bears, and
though the Bulls aren't currently a championship caliber team, they
do have the Michael Jordan legacy. Like all of these things,
it's a great sports town. It's an amazing place to live.
You know what they haven't had, they haven't had a
franchise quarterback. So you walk in with a confidence not
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previously seen, right, because nothing gives you as much confidence
as I got ten million in the bank. If I fail,
I'm rich, I'm good. Right, you walk in with the
he's not a West Coast guy, right, he's from DC.
But the perception is you come in from sc paint
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your fingernail polish, do things a little differently, walk differently,
talk differently. That gets viewed if you don't play well
on a more negative scale. More quickly, what's the expression
from from Bull Durham Jay stew about being eccentric when
you're in the Myers.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah about foot fungus. Yes, you won twenty games on
the show, then you're eccentric. If you lose, you're just
a clown and bad fungus shoes.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Whatever, Yeah, you got your you have bad hygiene, you're
you're a slop. Right, which is the same thing for
Kayleb Williams. If you win, nobody cares literally at people champion,
everybody will start painting their nails. In Chicago, everybody start
doing the Caaleb Williams whatever touchdown celebrations. But if you
lose or you're not super successful early, it's the another
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Mitch Trubisky, California guy with a fingernail polish. He doesn't care,
he's got money. Anyway, it can be used against you.
This is a very different era we are entering into.
We have had transfers before. Obviously, We've had players that
have gotten paid before. We've had quarterbacks that have come
from affluence before. We've had guys come from Lincoln Riley's
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system before. We've had quarterbacks that have been Heisman Trumphy winners.
We've had quarterbacks that have been HIGHSMO Trump winners and
then not been as good the next year. All of
this we've seen before. We have not seen all of
these things together in this type of packaging personality. And
you're going, I went to Chicago. It's a different deal.
Twenty twenty four is the first year of the true
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nil transfer quarterback. And if you don't think that changes
how we look at things. I will give you one
very very easy analogy I liked. I've used this analogy
for the entirety of my time in radio, and it
always works. Are you guys familiar, I know? Does anybody
get the newspaper anymore?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
The physical paper? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
No, I don't know, Dan Byer, any physical paper you get.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
We somehow have gotten a subscription to USA Today because
it's on my driveway every single morning.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
It's amazing, Sam. When was the last time you got
a newspaper in your driveway?
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Oh? Man?
Speaker 6 (10:44):
I mean I subscribed to a digital paper, but I
have not probably a couple years.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
At like an airport, I've purchased a.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
My mom still gets the Orange kinnt of Register in
the La Times, Orange County, Okay. But in those papers,
you may remember, on the Sunday edition they would have
the Parade magazine, and on one year in the Parade
magazine they would have what people make, And your entire
perception of people changes based upon what Parade magazine said
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their field made. In Dubuque, Iowa, You're like, what are
you kidne me here? A librarian in Dubuque makes seventy
five grand well, that's got to go a long way
in Dubuque, right. A postal worker in Cheyenne, Wyoming makes
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a buck twenty five, And then you start thinking, like, man,
can you imagine the weather in Cheyenwa? That goes a
long way? How long? You don't have the factors of
how long the guy's been at his job, how long
he's been doing it, what else he does, whatever, But
you read those magazines and you look at people differently.
You're like, dude, the garbage man makes one hundred grand,
I don't feel so bad for the garbage man, Like
that's not a bad gig, plus you get full benefits.
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Or if the garbage man makes four forty grand, you're like, dude,
I feel really bad for him. I'm gonna separate my trash.
I'm gonna do it the right way. I'm gonna make
sure and for like a month, you line out your
trash perfectly. We perceive people totally different we do with athletes.
Same guy can be on a rookie deal, signed this
next deal. You're like, this guy's a bum, he's not
worth thirty million. Well, last year he was only making
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two and he was underpaid. Right, I say, that because
it changes our perception of people. And then when you
have money, one everybody knows you have money. You're supposed
to dress different, act different, walk different, talk different, surround
yourself with better, smarter, more forward thinking people. You're gonna
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be different. Once you get that first big check, everybody is,
you'll feel yourself a little bit, and then at some point,
hopefully you have people around you that helped level you off.
Kayleb Williams is the first, and because no one really
knows how much he made at SC but everybody leaves
that it's upwards of eight figures over two years. He's
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walking in with a bunch of change in his pocket.
He's walking in with a huge social media following. He's
walking in with a perception, maybe not a reality, but
perception of being just kind of a West Coast dude,
unafraid to push the bounds of how we view sexuality
as well as leadership and quarterback play. A guy who
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is literally irreverent, and he's going to a place that's
in the Midwest hardcore football. They've been dying for a
quarterback for fifty years. They've been dying for a quarterback,
and you better deliver dude, Otherwise it's going to be
a hard run for you. Stuck Gottleib show here on
(13:48):
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Most things. The thing you're most excited about about Tonight's
draft most excited about.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
I'm just curious what the Seahawks are gonna do. Yeah,
I don't will they a weird way of looking at it,
like of one thing, Like I think we all just
kind of like take it in. I mean, if you're
a fan of your team, you're you're a you're a
very big If I'm wrong, Is that a weird question
from Doug Jason.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
They're saying I specifically wore my Chargers polo today because
I'm fired up for the right tackle we're gonna start that.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Of course he's excited for the Chargers. I'm you know,
excited for the Seahawks. But I'm not like man is
Malik Neighbors gonna you know, like, I think your for
your team, right, It's gotta gotta be what it is.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I I teach you up
and probably unfairly so because I did think you you
probably wonder I'm wondering aloud, maybe what the Seahawks are
going like this is a whole new Seahawks regime.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yes, right, yes, so this is so and I get it,
like their story lines like where does Pannix go? Where
does bo Nix go? Like I don't but you know,
like but I'm not, like, man, where does bo Nicks go?
Like I'm like, what are are they going to trade
down again? Now that Pete Carroll's not there? How different
it is?
Speaker 4 (15:10):
So?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, so I'm yeah, I don't even know they're gonna
make a pick tonight, you know, to be honest with you,
because there's been some you could trade down twice in
this draft and pick up other picks because they don't
have a second rounder. So I'm Seahawks focus tonight though.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Okay, well we'll go around the room. And by the way,
a belated happy birthday to Brody who celebrated cured birthday. Yes, three, cute,
cute two. You do know you have heard my thing
about three year olds are worse than two year olds?
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Right, yes? Yeah, yeah, finding finding that out.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yes, he's a birthday guy, Uh, what are you gonna say?
Speaker 5 (15:48):
There?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Jays the terrible twos. The only reason why that is
the case is because of literation. Yes, if if you
could find a literation with three, then it would become
a thing. But terrible twos is just such.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
You know, well, no, two years Two years old is
a tough year, right, because now they can talk, they
can walk.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Probably isn't any tougher than one or three. But because
you throw the alliteration in there, it's what makes Dodger
dogs so amazing because they're Dodger dogs.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Jason's obsessed with alliteration.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I I think he's he has he has a point.
It's a portion of it, but a big portion of
it is kids can be a holes when they're two. Right,
it's they're they're not babies anymore, yet there's used to
being This actually is kind of parallels to college athletes. Right,
you're not babied anymore, but they still want to be baby.
(16:35):
They still and they also learn the word no. Yes,
they can use the word no, and you're like, all right,
what do I do here? He says no, Oh it's
a hard one. But they're also like rookie, this is
where I've always said two year olds are like rookie quarterbacks.
You have limited expectations of them. Like he's a rookie,
I's two years old. Of course he pooped his pants.
(16:56):
You're three, You poop your pants, right when you've been
in a big boy, big girl bed. For is he
in a big, big girl bed yet? Not a big
girl bed yet, but big boy busy? Are we trending
towards that? Are we purchasing one of those?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Where are we at? Yeah? Yeah, well it's one of
those convertible sort of.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Convertible thing, convertible crip smart purchase.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
I hope you, I hope you brought. You have plenty
of water for the next three hundred and sixty five days.
Because everyone knows about the thirsty threes. You've got to
keep them hydrated. Thirsty threes.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
My bint has always been, and Dan, previous to him
having a child, knows that that. My point has always been,
it's about your expectations, right, And they're still three years old,
they still don't know anything. They still are just becoming
potty trained, just getting to a big boy bed. And
yet you know your expectations of them are not the
terrible twos because of alliteration, but also like you went
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through the Terrible twos. Same thing with rookie quarterbacks. We
give them a pass at times, like, ah, he's a rookie, right,
Jordan Loves an example, Jordan Love was not a rookie
this year, but because of this his first year starting
when they choke and he misses some throws against the
Niners in the NFC playoffs, what'd you hear? Everybody say?
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Why Jordan Loved? You know, it's only his first year,
it's his first road playoff game. Next year doesn't happen anymore.
So Brody's got to come through in road playoff games.
That's pretty obvious. That's a big thing for him this
year is how does he perform on the road in
hostile environments. That's a big question I have for your son.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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Speaker 2 (18:41):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Woh you hear that song?
You know what it means?
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Right?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Mark Medina around the corner? Huh, funky Cole Medina, I'm
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not without looking? Is this ninety three?
Speaker 7 (19:13):
I is it?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
I thought it was late late eighties. Wasn't this an
Uncle Buck? Uncle Buck's a great movie that was like
nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Really I remember it more high school than middle school
or elementary school. We have do you have a ruling
on that? We'll get to that first. Let's get to
Dan Byer. Then we'll get some funky Cole Medina with
our with our guy Mark Medina.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
What do you got the doug some draft rumors the
athletic you're saying the Rams are looking.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
At rumors surronomy every day to.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
The top ten FS ones. Jordan schultzays the Giants looking
to move up from six to possibly three with the Patriots.
Is they have their sights on North Carolina's Drake May
Arizona State transfer quarterback Jayden and Rashata has decided to
play at Georgia Day Baseball. Kerrie Sanchez hit a two
run shot for the Brewers in the eighth inning. They're
up on the Pirates six mile right now. In the
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ninth Guardians lead the Red Sox five to four, and
the seventh Twins have onward five times against the White
Sox at sixty five time heading to the ninth inning.
Philly's blanking the Reds five nothing in the eighth, while
the Royals have a two one edge on the J's
and the fifth. Astros having some tough times but right
now a one nothing edge on the Cubs in the fourth,
Mariners leading Texas to one in the fourth inning just
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getting underway, and the Rockies are on the board, leading
San Diego one to nothing. Three Game three tonight and
a game three tomorrow for the Bucks against the Pacers.
Weird tip five point thirty Eastern time. Doug Chris Middleton
may miss the game for Milwaukee because of an ankle injury.
Back to you, not good, not good?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Why the early tip time?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I was wondering that myself, very that's some funky cold Medina.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Well, let's let's let's ask nineteen by the way, nineteen
eighty nine for funky cold Medina, right, tone Loaks. That's
his second biggest song, isn't it? Second Biggs song?
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Oh yeah, Wild Thing was a much bigger song.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Let's welcome in Mark Badini. He joins us on the
Doug Gottlib Show. Any idea why we're getting like a
five thirty East Coast time start tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
You're talking in regards to the Box and Pacers. Yes,
I think that they want to make room for Clippers,
MAVs and Wolves Sons in primetime. Those are I guess
considered bigger matchups.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
There about the kids? So what about the kids? It's
I know, I'm kidding, I'm I'm kidding. Okay, a lot
of stuff to unpack. I thought, I like, look, if
you shoot twenty three or forty three from three, you're
gonna win most games. But the combination of the three
point shooting, not having Jimmy Butler playing a zone, and
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just kind of finding a way to get it done
against a roster that if you were to line up
and pick, hey, let's pick our fives outside of Tyler Hero,
I don't know how many of the Miami Heat actually
even get picked when you're when you're trying to line up,
you know, to pick two different pickup teams. What's your
take on the Celtics loss or the Heats win last night?
Speaker 5 (22:06):
My take is this, I mean, always credit the Heat
for always making the most out of anything, even if
it's scrap metal. And for the Celtics, I'm not gonna
say Okay, their championship hopes are doomed, or the heat
can replicate last year's you know, elimination series in the
East Finals. But it was puzzling that at some point
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they didn't try to contest better. And I think that
when you're looking from now until presumably the NBA Finals,
it's probably unrealistic to say Boston's got to sweep every series.
But there needs to be a relatively smooth path to
the finals because I think that they need to have
everything they have from a health standpoint, chemistry standpoint to
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presumably match up against the Denver Nuggets. So short term,
you know, I project, Christoph worzingis they'll have a much
better showing. I project that they'll play with better urgency.
Miami will continue to do Miami things, but talent will.
But I think that, you know, in the big picture
of things, this outcome, you know, I think highlighted some
of the complacency that they fall themselves into, and that
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itself could be a troubling sign if it creates more
turbulence than needed, that results and more attrition layer in
the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Stut Gotlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. What'd you
think of Outklahoma City's performance last night.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
I loved it. You know, I think that this is
what I really anticipated. In Game one, I didn't think
that the Pelicans really had much of a fighting chance
without Zion Williams, and I did think that Brandon Ingram
would be playing better in this series. But I think
that you know, when you weigh everything, shake Goiljess Alexander
should be in the MVP conversation, Lou Dert should finally
get on an all defensive team. I think Jalen Williams
(23:46):
would be a candidate for the most Improved. They have
a really complete team from top to bottom, so I'm
not surprised whatsoever with just how dominant they were to give to.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Stut Gottlieb show. Here on Fox Sports Radio, Athy Davis
had a weird comment after their loss. I know, I
hear that the smile on your face, to laugh in
your voice, you know what's coming. This is a d
After the Game two loss, we.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
Have stretches where we just don't know what we're doing
on both ends of the floor.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Who is that directed at?
Speaker 5 (24:17):
We don't know for sure, but you know, Darvin Ham
for hitsworths ask about it because we connected the dots,
and you know, he eluded that quote as a product
of you know, in game frustration, frustration after the game.
But he defended himself. He at least seemed to interpret
that this was a shot at the coaching staff, and
(24:37):
he said, you know, he agrees to disagree. It's understandable that,
you know, Anthony Davis would be frustrated. He was scoreless
in the final nineteen minutes the game too. They went
away from work to the beginning of the game with
featuring him in the offense. And I think that even
when you account for Denver making a defensive switch with
not having Yokech on him having Aaron Gordon, the Lakers
didn't do enough of a counter switch with having really
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Hatchamora on nikolea Jokic. So I think that moving forward,
what this means the Lakers can play all the best
basketball they want in the first half, it's not going
to mean anything because the Denver Nuggets have so much continuity,
they have adjustments, they're resilient, and the Lakers have to
be able to counter on that. Realistically, they can't counter
it because they don't have the same talent and depth
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and consistency with their supporting cast, but they can at
least do subtle things when it comes to matchups, and
I think most importantly making sure whether it's on eighties
responsibility as a team, that he is the primary focal
point on offense.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Stug Gottlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. Mark Medina
is our guest. Okay, so we have the Clippers then,
who lose to the Mavericks. But more than anything, like
I know, is his first game back, man Kawhi did
not look right. He did not look healthy enough to play,
and the ball moved better in Game one without him,
(25:58):
as some of it was. Luca was amazing as well,
and they hit a bunch of threes. How do the
Clippers proceed in this series?
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Yeah, I think the Clippers looked at this as you know,
the the inevitable growing pains of his you know, conditioning,
because they hadn't played some smarts thirty first to your
point that the ball wasn't moving us better, That's something
that they conceded. They anticipate that things will get better
because they'll have a full prox practice of contact and
(26:26):
also they'll be able to make adjustments. They felt like
even though they lost home court advantage. They're in the
driver's seat. But here are the problems. The Mavericks have
Luca Doctris and Kyrie Irving doing a lot of great things,
not only on offense but on defense. And they also
showed more improvement with playing physical, having some you know,
reliable offensive options beyond Luca and Kyrie. That it's not
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a four gone conclusion. Dallas can very well win this
series and with commanding force, and so I thought it
was somewhat of a risk that they threw Kyrie or
Kawhi Leonard out there without having an actual full contact practice.
Highway was saying, well, this is his contact. But I
think that it is a relatively comforting sign that this
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showed that this inflammation it is right knee isn't as
serious as the other injuries because there's nothing structurally wrong
according to the Clippers, that just you know, the inflammation
acting up. So that could be a good sign. But look,
as you know, it's anything with Kawhi, everything's up in
the air with his injury. So any idea that they're
fully healthy or they turned the corner, I mean, that's
(27:32):
always for better and for worse, going to be a
day to day.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Stutg Gottliy's show here on Fox Sports Radio. Mark Medina is,
in fact our guest. Any chance we see Zion with
the Pelicans.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
I doubt it now. I know he expressed optimism earlier
this week that he could, but we have to keep
in mind that when he was given that official evaluation
last week that he was going to be evaluated two
weeks from now, which is now a week from now.
That's not when he's clear to play. That's when he's
going to be evalue reevaluated with clarity. And what he
can do next, and what I suspect that is is, yeah,
(28:06):
he can start doing some more on court work. So
you look at the calendar here and the fact that
the thunder up to oh, it seems like the writing
is on the wall that he's not back for the playoffs.
But yeah, he, for what it's worth, is still with
the team. He's on the bench, he has been doing
some non contact work. So I guess you never technically
rule anything out, but frankly, I think the Pelicans will
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be out of the playoff picture before that's even possible.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Can the Suns figure something out and win a game
in this thing?
Speaker 5 (28:36):
They can win a game. I think they can even
win the series because when you have Kevin Durant and
Devin Booker and and Bradley feel healthy, they always have
a chance. But I think that what we're seeing through
this series is just a fundamental difference where Minnesota has
a lot more depth. They can absorb off nights from
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any of their star players. I mean, you look at
Anthony Edwards team points three or twelve shooting didn't matter
as much because Jade McDaniels had twenty five points out
of seventeen shooting and Chris Finch, the Wolves coach, has
often said that Jada McDaniels, of all people, is often
the barometer of the offense. And why he would say that,
(29:17):
for you know, a good player but not someone of
Anthony Edwards in color Anthony Towns caliber, is that because
he is that secondary player. If he's getting looks, if
he's producing, that means there's a lot of cloudy balld movement.
So it's not just about Ant, not just about Kat.
They have, you know, Mike Conley doing things from a
point guard role, Rudy Gobert is handling things defensively, and
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then someone like Jada McDaniels can fill in the gaps,
you know, on both ends of the floor when you
know they need help because of one of their star
guys having an off night. Where with the Suns, you know,
I like Eric Gordon, you know, I like Grayson Allen
for what they can be as role players, but they're
so top heavy. It's it's always going to be about Durrant,
Beale and Booker, and if one or two of them
will have an off night, it's really hard for them
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to win again.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Him What about Giannis, what's his status.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Still up in the air. Hasn't been ruled out definitively
for Game three, but knowing how calf strains are, I
would be surprised that he would be back. This is
ironically different than Kawhi Leonard's injury, I would think, because
when you're looking at calf injuries, he would need to
have a full practice before coming back. I mean, you
may recall in twenty nineteen in the NBA Finals, Kevin
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Durant had that calf injury for a handful of games
and then he came back and had the Achilles. And
that's not to say that it directly correlated, but you
never want to leave things to change. I think that
that injury is more serious. And the other thing with
the Bucks is we don't know if Chris Midlson is
going to play now. He has an ankle injury. It's
less severe than that, but you know he got dinged
up at the end of Game two the other night.
(30:47):
So yeahlke hasn't been all like how it's been all season.
The Bucks are always dealing with questions game to game.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
No question about. He's Mark Medina, He's Fox Sports Radio's
NBA insider. Mark you the best. Man appreciates you joining us.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Doug here the best, Thanks for being a great DJ
as well. Here.
Speaker 7 (31:03):
Be sure to catch the live edition of the Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
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Speaker 7 (31:34):
This is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Mm hmmm, mm hmmm, Stug Gottleeb Show here on Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Trady, what's the game today, Dan, Doug? The game today is.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
I feel a draft?
Speaker 3 (31:59):
All right, feel a draft? And today we are drafting.
I know you guys touched on this for about a
millisecond yesterday. Most memorable or favorite draft picks or moments
from the NFL drafts fitting easy topic. The draft order
is Jason's number one, Doug, your number two. Sam will
picked third. In the now will pick fourth, and we
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will reverse it in that order. Love it everybody?
Speaker 7 (32:22):
Good?
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yep, all right, Jason, you're on the clock.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I'm gonna steal Dove Climan's idea here. Dove Climban is
a polarizing Twitter subject, does a lot of repurposing. He's
kind of a I don't know if he's a blog.
I'm not wor I think he's with bro Bible. Anyways,
he posted this, and I do I share. It's my
favorite draft moment of all time when C. D. Lamb
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gets drafted and they're showing him in his living room
and he's got his girlfriend sitting next to him, and
he's got two phones. And she reaches over and grabs
one of the phone and he is not having it.
He takes it back and he gets are a death stare.
I think as men, as you know, just normal men,
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we're used. We know what that look is, we know
what that means, we know what he was going through.
My favorite draft moment, ceedee lamb.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
That's a good pick.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Good pick, good pick. Sam or number two.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
No, Doug number two.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah. I guess my challenge is to do something different
than I did yesterday.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Right, no, no, no, different listeners, different different time.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
And I wasn't here, so I wasn't privy that this was.
But if you got something, I'd love to hear it.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Well, I mean, I think the Larry Mee Tunstall leak
on social media is I mean, it took over the draft, right,
the entire draft was taken over because somebody posted a
video of him on Twitter smoking a bong with a
gas mask on.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
Was that the did that happen? Was the leak the
day before the draft? The day of it was like
as the first round was happening. It was the weirdest.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
He even knew.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
He was committed, Like, if you've got the gas mask,
I do remember and not to not to I'll throw
the person. I won't throw the person under the bus.
But one entity that was covering the draft had their
reporter asked Tunsil if that was him in the picture
because there was a still that they had only seen.
They didn't realize there was a whole video where he
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took the mask off and there is mug was and
there he was. But uh oh, another great moment in
draft history. All right, Sam, you're up at number three.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Well, I am a Green Bay Packers fan and watched
Aaron Rodgers have a great career in Green Bay. I
gotta go with his slide, his draft day slide in
two thousand and five. You could see the ego he
had already as a as a you know, fresh out
of college. Yes, he should have gone the top ten,
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but just to watch his face, the close ups on
his face, he was very uncomfortable. A lot of guys
just sort of just wait, shrug it off, just wait, wait,
waited out, but he was, uh, he was very upset, uncomfortable.
But it worked out because he won a championship in
Green Bay. And you know, it's probably one of the
greatest Green Bay Packer quarterbacks of all time. So I'm
taking Aaron Rodgers Draft day slide to twenty fourth.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
There anything else you want to add and then do
you want to keep going or you've done? Sam?
Speaker 6 (35:26):
Yeah, I think it was pretty concise there.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
I've got number four and five.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
By the way, I'm just I'm sorry getting interrupted. It
was a it was the whole first round the draft.
They kept showing him in.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
The zooming in Yeah, he'd go ahead, damn sad.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
I don't go back and forth on this, but Tac
McKinley because I love that he loved his grandmother so
much and make sure that that he yeah, that he
brought the photo of her and not just the wallet size.
It was, you know, an eleven by fourteen, I mean
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basically poster picture on stage. As much as I know
it was seemingly ridiculous, when you get to the heart
of the heart of it, I love it because that's
who meant the most to him. And then my next pick,
honestly because he started. I feel when you have these
former players announced picks. When Drew Pearson just took to
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the Philadelphia Eagle fan base in Philadelphia years back and
just like talk trash. Even though he's a cowboy, not
a Cowboys fan. It kind of started it. I think
others have. I think even mcavie did sort of his thing,
but I feel like Drew Pearson was the first one
to start it. So him trolling Eagles fans is my
number five.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
It's good.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
That's Sam, me, Sam, and then Doug and then.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
I'll go quick here. Let's go to the two thousand
and three NFL Draft. The Minnesota Vikings were tending to pick, yeah, seventh,
the seventh pickick in the first round, and they missed it.
They were completely disorganized, ended up picking ninth. Oops, Doug,
you got another Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
The COVID year draft. It was one of those, like
I get, we've had all these. We had the weird
one in Kansas City with the performers and all the awkwardness,
but the fact that we don't need any of that.
We could just do it for somebody's basement and be
perfectly happy. I thought that was cool.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
And Jason, your final pick, who in the hell is
mel Kuiper?
Speaker 5 (37:22):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Yeah, Bill Tobin nineteen ninety four. That's a great one.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Just passed away, Rip And that's game time.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
That's game This is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
It's The Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Coming up next, Why I Love the Heats win last night.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
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