April 27, 2024 • 52 mins
On a Friday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the Falcons' decision to take Michael Pennix early in the first round despite having Kirk Cousins.
Former NFL General Manager Mark Dominik joins Doug to break down what happened on night one of the draft.
Doug and the crew give their main takeaways from the round one draft broadcast Thursday night.
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welcome in. So the draft is happening, right, It is happening,
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and there's a lot of different teams to talk about.
You know, I'm sitting next to my son, we're driving
to basketball practice last night, and he's like, ugh, we
took Joe Alt And I was like, by what you
mean the Chargers? Yeah, dude, why didn't we take a
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wide receiver? We get rid of Mike Williams, We get
rid of Keenan Allen. Didn't your son say the same thing.
They're Jason Stewart essentially the same thing.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Affirmative.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, and that's what all. That's what the kids are shaying,
right And I was like, dude, if you haven't figured
out what they're doing in uh with the Chargers with
hardball ball, then let me let you in on a
little secret. Okay. He brings in Greg Roman, who's I
believe the last three offenses he touched in the NFL
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were the Ravens, which yes, I know they topped out
and everybody blaw named Greg Roman. But Lamar Jackson was
the MVP the Buffalo Bills when Tarrod Taylor was their
quarterback and they went to the playoffs first time in
like thirteen years. I think Greg Groman was the OC
And of course the San Francisco forty nine ers when
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they went to the Super Bowl with Jim Harbaugh as
the coach, Like, look, they brought in his two favorite
running backs and they gave they said, hey, we're going
to run the football and we're going to protect our
primary asset. The asinine comments over people going like Hill,
will they trade will they trade their quarterback? Like, if
you think for a second they're going to trade their quarterback,
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you haven't talked to anybody in the Charges organization. So
they think they have their quarterback. They want to protect
their quarterback and run the football, and they'll figure the
rest out over the rest of the draft and getting
them some wide receivers. But I thought that the most
interesting one was what happened at number eight. Okay, Michael Pennix,
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who is kind of a medical miracle, right He's at
multiple knee surgeries and yet he ran He ran a
four or five, got a cannon for an arm. He
is left handed. I've seen all the memes with dogs
in Atlanta when a Mike left handed Michael was drafted
at quarterback. Great memes, Great work social media world out there,
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You're you're awesome, You're awesome. But I gotta point out
what has happened here in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
So again, I'm not a huge Falcons fan, and I
do on some level understand, Hey man, you got a chance,
you got a chance to draft a quarterback of the
future who's sitting there at eight, and you have Kirk
Cousins who's thirty six years old coming off and coming
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off an Achilles ten and tear. There's a world there
where Kirk Cousins plays two years and then Michael Pennix
takes over, kind of like Jordan Love in Green Bay
and it's seamless and you're actually good for a long time.
That's great, that's great, and by many people's estimation, the
roster is pretty good. They just needed a quarterback, they
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just needed a plan, and now they have one. But man, Terry,
remember this is Terry Fontinau, the dude who apparently what
happened was Bill Belichick was gonna be hired as head
coach and the front office is like, nah, we don't
want to work with that guy. Okay, Well, this is
the same front office that drafted Kyle Pitts at four
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and then Richie Grant in the second round, and then
they drafted the next year Drake London. Hey, who's been okay,
But they drafted Jake London at eight last year. Bjeonn Robinson,
who I love Bjeon Robinson. I think he's got a
chance to be really really good. Four in the draft. Ooh,
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some pretty good players that were still available. So the
point is the point is that when we look at
for example, the Chargers. Okay, you can see a plan
in place that makes sense. Right, Does anyone dispute what
the Chargers are doing and I'm only using the Chargers
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of the jumping off, Does anybody dispute what they know
what they're doing?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
You have, arguably or inarguably maybe that one of the best,
the best left tackle in football. Now you drafted Alt
who I think is going to play right tackle. You
got your bookends. You start from there. They got good
running backs they just brought in. They know the system.
They got a quarterback like they're they're good. I would
guess that with a wide receiver heavy draft, you'll see
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some wide receivers taken and they got to change their
defense to mirror how they want to play under Harball,
and that'll be a work in progress. But what worked
for Harball will work for his brother and Paul More
will work for Harbord San Francisco, will work for Harbord Michigan.
What work for Harbord Stanford is likely the plan and
Joe Allt fits that plan. Correct. Okay, what's the plan Atlanta? Right?
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You go get Kirk Cousins because you want to win.
Now you draft a quarterback at eight because if you
want to play him in three years, and I understand,
in three years Michael Pennox's contract will not hurt you
at all. The middle of that rookie deal three years,
three years, four won't hurt you at all. But wow,
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what a risk. Wow, what a risk? You know? And
you know they took b Jon Robinson who has no
skeletons in the closet right and passed on Jaalen Carter.
But man, does Jalen Carter have a ton of talent?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
You know?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
So I'm just sitting here going and in and of itself,
I don't hate it drafting a quarterback because you have
a quarterback who's thirty six years old coming off an
Achilles tendon. But when you factor in that, these same
guys have drafted poorly atop the draft the past couple
of years. And again I'm admitting I love Bjeon Robinson.
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I'm a Bjeon Robinson fan. And people have said, you're
okay drafting a running back in the first round, just
don't re sign him at the top of the market
deal and we'll see if Atlanta does that, right, But
four is really high for a running back. No matter
how good he is, especially when you didn't have a
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quarterback last year, right, and then you go sign the
bell of the ball in Kirk Cousins and you draft
his eventual replacement. That is bizarre planning from Terry Foutna.
Here's Terry Fotton explaining the logic behind their pick.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Kirk Cousins is our quarterback. We're very excited about Kirk,
very excited about this team. You look at the future
and you look at big picture, but we are very
excited about that quarterback room. And again, Kirk is our quarterback.
But adding Michael Pennix is thinking about the future. We're
very excited about where Kirk is. You know, we feel
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very confident in him and everything he's gonna he's gonna
do for us. Again, we're thinking more long term with this,
So very very excited about Kirk.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That has not changed. This is a pick thinking about
the future.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, listen, it's and I'm sure the first call he
got after he hung up with the phone was from
Kirk Cousins saying, whiskey tango foxtrot, right, because they've said
essentially what the Packers said to Aaron Rodgers, and it's
it's not crazy talk, right, not crazy talk. Hey dude,
you're thirty six, it's two years guaranteed, and if you
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keep playing great, that's awesome. We'll figure out the next thing.
Then in the meantime we have your eventual successor because
everybody ages out of this thing. The problem with it
is you're going to take a developmental quarterback who's twenty
five years old at eight in the draft when he's
not going to play for two years, and you didn't
even clear it with cousins, and it doesn't seem to
marry with the we want to win now sort of thing, like, look,
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if you got dudes for days, you just have a
stack roster and you're like, ah, let's just grab and
stash a quarterback not playing for two years by all means.
But I don't think that's what this roster looks like.
So look, many of these, many of these guys we
won't know, and we still won't know a year in,
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and we definitely don't know after one round of the draft,
because while teams have passed on wide receivers in the
first round, there's plenty to take in the second round.
We've seen that from the Packers years in the past, like, hey, dude,
we'll fine, We'll take guys in the second, third round,
so we'll see. We'll be able to pinpoint what a
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team's focus is watching them. Like for the Raiders, you
guys know, I love the brock Bauers pick. I thought
he's the best player in the SEC. And I understand
they need a quarterback, but because the quarterbacks that they
wanted work on, they went with the best player. And
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he's nasty. I mean, he's nasty. And how about that
division with with the with the two tight end. I mean,
he could be the next Kelsey that he's that good
a football player. So every team's story is different unto itself.
Not every team, believe or not, is competing for a
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championship this year. But you have to have congruent draft picks,
just like you have to have congruent offense and defense.
Does that it makes sense you can't have you know,
for example, if you're gonna have a super physical offense,
you've got to have a super physical defense, one in which,
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like again, one in which is built. If you're gonna
have the Ravens style offense, you've got to have the
raven style of defense. You know, Whereas I think Kansas
City style, I think it marries with how they play offensively,
but it also takes place with everything in an organization congruency.
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It has to work all together. And the reason the
alt pick I used that one is it works all
together with what the Chargers have been doing in the offseason,
which is dismantling the previous way it was built and
reconfiguring it into a power offense that runs the football,
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that protects their quarterback, that runs play action so that
Justin Herbert has time, not under duress, is not injured.
Right makes sense Signing Kirk Cousins when you desperately need
a quarterback to win and win now makes sense. Made
sense to me drafting his eventual replacement who won't play
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for two years, Drafting a backup for at least two
years when he's twenty five years old, when he's had
multiple injuries. But more than anything, when I thought, you're
in win now mode, that doesn't make sense to me,
and you don't have the positive equity from previous drafts.
Had you killed at the past couple of years in
the draft, had everyone been talking about how talented this
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roster was, they just needed a quarterback and they'll be
fine and then everything else's everything else's cake by all
means right. That's, by the way, where Tampa was when
they added Tom Brady. Everybody thought that roster's really good.
Just need a quarterback who doesn't turn it over, just
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a solid quarterback does and turned over adulting room a
belief in winning. You can't couldn't do it with Jamis.
Jamis had been there through too many losses, too many
missed opportunities, too many turnovers. I got it. That all
made sense. Arian's not really a detailed guy. He brought in,
you know, he bring in Brady Brady handle all the
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details with the offense. That makes sense, even the and
I you can go back and pull the tape. I
was working at Fox Sports Trade at the time when
they drafted Jordan Love. I said that made sense because
it was late in the first round. They're never going
to get to move up to draft. And if you
actually talk to anybody in the NFL, they all said,
he's like two three years away, got a chance to
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be good, gotta be coached well. And I don't know
if Jordan Love is as good as he looked at
times last year, but so far, the plan has worked seamlessly.
What's the plan here in Atlanta? That's the issue. And
then you factor in that supposedly Belichick had the job
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and the reason he didn't get the job was he
couldn't jibe with these guys. Maybe he couldn't job with
these guys because they stink at their job. Is that possible?
Remember the previous answer to their quarterback issues was Marcus,
I want to say not to Yes, the soapboat, Marcus
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Mariota and Desmond Ritter. That was the previous plan. Now
it's Kirk Cousins and Michael PENNOCKX, no doubt an upgrade.
I like Kirk Cousins, but you pay them a hundred million.
He's coming off in Achilles, and instead of surrounding him
with more talent and getting a viable backup or drafting
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a developmental quarterback later in the draft, he drafted a
twenty five year old who's gonna have to play in
year three. Give me your thoughts at Gottlieb Show is
the Twitter and Instagram handle at gott Leeb Show. Hm
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Byral how was your draft experience?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Draft experience was great? But can I weigh in on
this I'm just on this for the two cents. There's
a difference though, of Aaron Rodgers and having Jordan Love
then signing Kirk Cousins and having like there that's you're
You're changing plans in a span of six weeks.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And I probably didn't. Did I not articulated when I
said it made I thought I said it made sense
the love thing? Where is this one does? Yeah? Yeah,
I thought I thought that you were saying that.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Look, the Packers did it, and that's what the Falcons
explanation was for it. It's also just the plane is
day of This was their plan. They didn't trade up
because Pennix fell.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
They didn't. I don't know if it was though, because
he didn't. They didn't do a visit with him.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
No, they did. They flew to Seattle to see him.
They had a contingency to Seattle to go and see him. Okay,
And the spot that you thought that Pennix was going
to go was thirteen and so for them to if
if you were if he was going to go anywhere
he felt it was probably to the Raiders or if Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Was going to try. I think the Raiders were going
to take him. Yeah, I think I think that's fair enough.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
And so like there's there's there's the sense of not
even of like trading down or trading back and trying
to maneuver. They felt that he was going to go
on the top thirteen and that it was beneficial for
them to take him at eight, which is again free
agency was not even two months ago. And whether Cousins
is healthy or not. If he's not healthy, then don't
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give him a hundred million dollars guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, that's just you're you're you're actually doing a better
job of making my making my point, which is like again,
if we if we put in the context the actual
Aaron Rodgers thing he was. He was a MalCon who
didn't like the new offense, didn't like the new system,
didn't have a good season, and started to look older.
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So they drafted a guy who's the developmental prospect, and
it matched up with how long it would take him
to develop and how long Aaron Rodgers had on his deal.
And the surprise was Aaron Rodgers turned it around and
won back to back MVPs. Right, yeah, And so then
they made the hard decision bit the bullet Aaron was
too much. They got rid of Aaron by the way,
just in time. It's literally anyone who says anything about
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the Packers, no matter if Jordan Love tanks or blows up.
They got rid of Aaron Rodgers four plays before he
tore his achilles tendon. You cannot get a better trade
than that, And now they have cash galore to spend
and they're in a good position. Okay, but that was
the context behind the pick was they had Aaron Rodgers.
He looked like he was fading. He looked like he
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didn't like the new system. So they drafted a guy
that in a couple years could replace him. The difference is,
as you're probably pointing out, is like they champion. It's like, hey,
we want to win. We wanted to now, and we
got Kirk Cousins. And Kirk Cousins conversely, I know coming
off the injury, but was coming off an unbelievable season.
He was on pace to throw for six thousand yards.
Oh yeah, By the way, the other thing you do
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is you just pissed off Kirk Cousins. And I know
he's performed well, but I guarantee that Kirk Cousins hung
up the phone after mfing his agent up and down,
or maybe he didn't MFM because it's Kirk Cousins. Gosh, golly,
g Willakers. That really stinks, right, But I guarantee he
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turned to his wife and said, this is just like Washington. Like, dude,
he's got PTSD. Okay, he was in Washington and the
damn GM didn't know his first name, kept calling him
Kurt when his first name is Kirk. And he's like,
these fricking guys, they signed me, they parade me around,
they championee Mark Matt Ryan retires. That was a big thing.
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It happened two days ago, right, and I think part
of that was they just they wanted to the Matt
Ryan Airs over passed the baton officially to Kirk Cousins. Great. Oh, hey,
by the way, we're gonna take with the eighth pick
in the draft. And he doesn't fit what Jordan Love was.
Jordan Love was super young, had only played two years
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in college, and was a developmental guy. Pennix is not
a developmental guy. He's been developed. Does he need to
improve course, And it doesn't mean that he's not gonna
be a good quarterback. It just means these plans don't
make any sense. And I use the chargers because you
don't have to. It doesn't have to work. But you
can see what their plan is. It's painfully obvious. We're
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gonna kick the crap out of you at the line
of scrimmage and run play action. And it doesn't matter
as much with our wide receiving talent if you can't
stop us from running the football anyway. And I'm kind
of fired of by the charger thing. I kind of
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want to see him be the bully for warm funds.
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dot Com. Mark Dominic joins us. He spent twenty years
in NFL front offices and scouting. Former general manager of
the Tampay Buccaneers. Okay, so here's my issue with what
Terry Fonteau did as the general manager of the Falcons,
and I like again, please Mark, You and I are
good enough friends. If you disagree, you're allowed to disagree.
You've actually done this job. I don't mind taking a
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quarterback who you know, Look, you're starting quarterbacks thirty six
years old coming up to Achilles ten and eventually he's
going to take over like that. But you just just
went all in on a guy and spent one hundred
million dollars on a guy with the eighth pick in
the draft to draft a twenty five year old quarterback
that many people think would be more ready to go
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than others. That that seems like a dramatic pivot, and
they clearly didn't tell Cousins. So now he's pissed right, like,
what are what's your take on what Atlanta decided to
do last night?
Speaker 6 (21:24):
You know, I appreciate you being patient with me for
calling in walking the city of Detroit right now, heading
back to around two and three of the draft, and
you know, even if I filled out a mock draft
today for the first round, I'd still get that pick wrong,
you know, because it just doesn't make any sense to
me either. You know, it's just one of those ones
where I just really struggle with it because I listened
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to the press conference, and I'm like, they're like, well
you know that's that pick is about the future of
the team. Well, you have the eighth pick in the draft.
You knew you had the eighth pick in the draft.
You went to the Senior Bowl, you saw him there,
he went to the combine, you saw him talk to
him there. You know you had all these opportunities. Why
did you sign Kirk Cousins, Like you just go draft
Michael Pennix and say let's go. It's the future. So
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it doesn't make any sense to me either that they
would do both. And this is nothing against Michael. I
feel bad for Michael Pennix because he's even like you
watched him on the couch and he was kind of
like he took everybody around him to kind rally him up.
He's like, I'm going to Atlanta where I know I'm
not going to play for a couple of years. Kind
of a bizarre feeling. So I can't see the logic
behind it. I think you do one or the other.
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You either sign Kirk Cousins and you go to this draft.
You take Roman Dunday you've become a great offense. You
take maybe a top corner top path rusher great or
you don't sign Kirk Cousins, you draft Michael Pennocks and
you go spend one hundred million dollars on defensive players
and make a team better. So I can't make light
of it either. And talking to people from Atlanta, they're
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struggling with the two.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
It's a weird one. There's no doubt. What pick did
you like the best?
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Well, it all goes to where you get the guy sometimes,
I mean to be able to you know, take Quindin
Mitchell at twenty two for the Philadelphia Eagles, I thought
was such a great pick. I think that that one
to me really kind of stood out as Wow, what
great value. I thought Jared Burst to be able to
go to the Rams is a really good fit and
good value at that point. I love Roman Dunze, so
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you know, for the Bears to be able to add
him to this offense that they're trying to put together
for the young player, I love that. So there's a
lot of them that I like. But my favorite player
going into this was Brock Powers and now he's going
to be part of a two or three tight information
that you're going to see at the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I do too. I love I said that yesterday on
Twitter on the radio show, like I felt like he
was the best player in the SEC. And then you know,
the Raiders, they might have taken Penix, but then they
just took the best player available. And he's a hell
of a player. And you know, for whomever they choose
that quarterback, I think he becomes an immediate threat. All right,
what pick, let's take Atlanta aside. What pick did you
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like the least?
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Yeah, so, wasn't a huge fan of memes for the
Sintate Bengals. I feel like there's a lot of potential there,
but I think it's also potential to bus. I see
him over extend a lot on tape and makes me
a little nervous that if he's gonna be able to
handle the athletes that he's going to see at the
next level. I don't just like the kid or anything
like that. It's just I see something where the Bengals
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I'm nervous that he's not going to be able to
live up to the expectations because again, he's a six
foot eighter, but he's not technically a sound as like
an All Toys where you see all be very technically
sound where he doesn't get himself in bad position. Mim does,
and so he's one of the ones I but I
think it was my one that I said, don't love
to fit for that player. But understand, you got to
get Joe Burrow healthy.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
You do have to do have to get Joe Burrow healthy.
What'd you think of the all pick?
Speaker 6 (24:44):
I'm good with it. I have no problem with it. Seeah,
the way the reason I saw that is if you
look at it now, you know, the Chargers could have
taken their choice of you know, anybody outside of Harrison,
so they could have taken neighbors that could have taken Rome.
But if they wouldn't have taken a tackle there, the
tackle run as you saw when eight deep in the
first round. So now the tackle board that I thought
might go you know, six, six to seven maybe the
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first round or their top of the second round pick,
it's not there now now that the tackles aren't there
to that level. But they're still really good receivers here,
and so I think they're in really good shape to
be able to take a receiver here and walk out
with what they think is elite right tackle and then
also still walk out with what they think still can
be a number one wide receiver or a number two
with Palmer.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Uh. Okay, if if you're if you're watching today, who's
the player who's available that you're most interested in? Where
he goes? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (25:33):
I think Josh Newton is a guy that's a defensive
tackle out of Illinois. You know, he had a pre
draft injury, but is a really good pass rusher. There's
not a lot of them in this draft class. So
he really stands out to me in the Cooper Degene
if I take some Iowa you know, corner slot safety,
I think those two guys scream, come get me a
top of the you know, second round, and it can
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interestee buffalo stays there or they continue to move back.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Stell Gottlieb show here on Fox Small Worts Radio. Uh,
Like this thing is fast and let let's let's go
to some of these go to some of these quarterbacks. Obviously,
like we've talked about Kayleb Williams. What do you think
of the wide receiver they chose to put around him?
Speaker 6 (26:18):
What about the wide receivers around Kleb Blames?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Is that right? Yep?
Speaker 6 (26:21):
I love Roma Donze. I think that the Caleb Willimes
is really set up with the two tight ends with
DeAndre Swift, They're giving him every chance to be successful.
The whole thing for the Chicago Bears is going to
become the opposive line. Stay healthy, Kevin Jenkins going inside
the guard, that's to be a big part of it.
But if he can stay healthy, they're in great shape.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, they're they're in really. I mean, that's amazing the
turnaround they've been able to make with that uh, with
that roster. Okay, let me ask you about the Broncos.
The Broncos choose to get the most experienced quarterback in
the history of college football, right, they go and get
the most experienced quarterback in the straight college football. What
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do you think of the fit?
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Well, I think the thing that you have there with
Sean Payton is the fact that you've got so much
to your point, so much take to evaluate, So it's
hard not to know what you're getting. If you're a coach,
meaning you know, you want to know two minute drill,
he's got a ton of it. You want to know
what he's like with two ten points up. He's got
a ton of tape. If you want to see what
he's like the ten points down how he handles football.
He's got that. So you can really from an anlo
that standpoint, and from a coaching standpoint, you can spend
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a lot of time here being able to break him
down and feel comfortable with it. I think it's a
combination pick for them. I think it's one of the
things where you know they're not obviously going to come
out and say we couldn't trade up, But I think
what they're going to say is, hey, look, it was
a hopeful but a little desperate because of all the
quarterback rooms going into the draft, I think theirs was
the worst, and so now becoming out of a draft
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at least I have hope. But I think there's a
little desperation in that pick as well.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah, I'm with you that it seems a little high.
JJ McCarthy to the Viking seems to fit really well, right.
I mean, you know they place Kirk Cousins with Kirk Cousins, like,
didn't they?
Speaker 6 (28:04):
Yeah, And Josh buccown loves him. He loves his arm,
loves what he can do, and that's gonna be good
to have a guy like Josh buccown be the coach
for him because of what Josh has been through this
league and how he's.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Dealt with me.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
I think he's a really technical, good coach, and I
think he was certainly pushing the buttons trying to make
sure that that's who they come out with. So I
think it's a good fit, not only for the player,
for the for the you know, the players around him.
Now it's just for me. The number one focus that
Minnesota have to do is they've got to get JJ
signed up and if they can get him signed up
long term and just spending the money like you're supposed
to when you have an elite player, take care of him,
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get done to make sure the quarterback has this one
target and you go into camp in a great spot.
So I really a good fit, good talent around him.
But it's got to get JJ's got to get locked
up long term.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
And do you start him right away or do you
think Sam Donald gets a start and he learns.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
I think Sam Donald might get to start for a
week or two and then I think he's transitioned over.
It's always good I think for having rookies to have
a chance to sit there and say, wait a second,
let's let's take a step back. Let's see how defensive
coordinators attack. Let him see how defensive coordinators attack you
in the regular seasons. The first is what you see
in the preseason. And then you know the pranands are
going to be wanting for him to get out there.
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So if there's a slip up by Sam Donald, Sam
Donald's you know, two touchdowns, two interceptions, and they're one
and one or one and two, it's an easy transition
to go over to instead of just putting them out
their week one thing, go figure it out. So I
would rather him wait for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
If on all bossom. When you've been doing this draft
and you're in that room and you have your second
round board, it starts to go quicker do you do you?
Which is? Which is a which is a uh uh
an easier way to work when things are going pick
quick with all the picks second round beyond or in
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the first round, when you have time to kind of
measure yourself, answer the phone call and think about what
you want to do next.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
It's it's better when it's quicker, but it's not quick.
It means you know, when you have one pick per
a round with the compensary picks. You're waited an hour
and a half between picks, which seems like a long time,
and then know the first round went pretty long last night.
But you know, there's nothing better to me than day
two at the draft of the GM, I love to
day two. I mean everybody loves Day one. Everybody loves
first round picks, don't get me wrong, but day two
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is really where you try to build up your roster,
and it's just it's so much fun to be able
to work around those boards. You have a chance to
move back and maybe pick up future picks. You got
a chance the bundle picks up and go get a guy.
I just love day two because I love the second
and third round because there's so many good players that
you can still uncover and find on your football team.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Awesome stuff. Mark, get back to work. You do an
awesome job for us, an incredible amount of insight. Thanks
so munch being our guest on Fox Sports Rightio.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Thanks for the time words. I appreciate it. Man enjoyed
the draft.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
That's Mark Dominic joins us in the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. It's so interesting, right, Like he
doesn't have his own team, and yet you can hear
the energy that he has from covering this thing because
all of these guys, this is what they've they've done
their entire professional lives and they and they love it
and they absolutely absolutely love it.
Speaker 7 (30:59):
There's so many gems that are mined out of Day
two and is there there's a Day three?
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah three.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
There's so many gems that are mined great players. So
it's hard to keep track of all these guys, but
you're gonna see them. These names pop up in three
or four years, sure.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
And this is a again, it's not just a different
era because of NIL, it's a different era because of
the transfer portal. So there have been a lot of
players that have dispersed. I still think obviously you can
see the dominance of the SEC and the dominance of
how many SEC players are drafted, and you will see
that consider on continue on, and that will only get
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I think more pronounced in the next year or two
with all the NIL that those schools have. And I
think some of the schools in the Big ten Ohio
states specifically, like they're going to dominate this draft, just
like they're going to dominate the sport. They have more money,
there's no salary cap, but the run on quarterbacks is over.
(31:56):
The Falcons left us with the biggest head scratcher. I
love what the Raiders did. I think there's a new
era in Chicago. They finally have a franchise quarterback. Let's
see if they cannot screw it up.
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tire buying should be. Okay, So nine two of the draft.
The draft is is in Detroit, right and last night
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an unbelievable crowd in Detroit, which I gotta tell you,
I still don't get, like I get the well I
want to go to a draft. I've never been to one,
but I don't know. Just a bunch of people in
a crowd waiting for one draft pick, cheering for dudes
that don't have No one has any sort of idea
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right of most these guys and if they can play
or not. The best place to watch the draft is
at home. It's at home, FIRA. How was your draft
watching experience? It was good.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
It was Seahawks were smack dab in the middle of it.
You know said yesterday that we're my focus. Was was
interesting to watch again, you know, family and Tom, little
little chaos here and there. However, the TV was fully
on the draft. Even tried to check out both broadcasts.
I've been leaning towards the NFL network the past couple
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of years, but just wanted to see what ESPN and
ABC provided, but stuck mostly with the NFL network. And
it was a little boring at first because there were
no trades, and then things just really kind of got
spiced up with the Pennox pick made it interesting. Then
you saw some trades later on, but I wanted to
see some teams moving up to three, moving up to six,
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and so it was a little, I don't want to
say a little boring, but it was a little whole
hum at the start.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
From no it's boring, was boring. I mean, there's a
lot of quarterbacks that went, which drives a lot of
people's opinions because people think they know about their quarterbacks.
I see my quarterback like, and we don't know. We
have no idea, right, I mean, I just like the
idea that you and I and I feel like we
have a good handle on knowing sports. And then you'll
call a general manager and you'll ask him how they
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see it, and they'll open your eyes to the Yeah,
it's actually this, this and this. But you know, like
your people's opinion of bo Nicks, like it could be
based upon some game he played at Auburn, you know,
like three years ago. Sure, that's my quarterback. You know,
Michael Pennix played totally different in Indiana than he played
or if you saw him this year, if you saw
him in the semi finals, you're like that guy's amazing.
If you saw him in the Oregon game, like, guy's amazing.
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If you saw him in the games leading up to
the last, the Pectel Championship game like that, guys, thinks,
I don't get it. Even the championship game, he looked
he looked like a second day sort of prospect, right,
So I too thought it was a bit boring. Uh,
But I thought the Penix thing shuffled some things up
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and changed a lot of the draft order. What were
you eating at the house? Did you order the victuals
or because you had family in town you went traditional food? Uh?
We just actually just got some wings from the bottom
of the hill. And uh what is your what is
your wing order? You did you? Did you do the
boneless because you're a boneless guy at heart?
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was all boneless. Yeah, my mom
doesn't want bone in wings.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Oh you put this off on your mom?
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Well no, I just I mean, I've gotten bone in
wings before, but I would totally. I am totally fine
with bone in, but I prefer boneless. What Janet she
likes wings? Though Janet is a hero of the show.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Wow, No, I'm serious.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
She had wings, like so like that said, like I said, like,
let's get some wings tonight.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
So that was the plan. Made an order.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Brody loves the barbecue, you know one, so he'll he'll
not on those.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
For a while. Yeah, just get Oliver's face.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Just oh yeah, complete complete go tea of barbecuejation.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Stewart, how is your NFL draft viewing? Spence? Always the cynic?
I'm sure you found some things to be cynical about.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, I think that that Nick Saban was outstanding. Like
I'm I think I'm most scrutinizing of analysts, and I've
found him to be spell bounding, spell bunding. I couldn't
keep my eyes off of him. I couldn't stop listening
to him. I think he was on the ABC portion
of the broadcast, and not only was he on point,
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but he was funny. And he worked with these guys
that have been doing like they had the college game
day guys, so they've been working together for what ten
fifteen years, and you just seamlessly fit in there and
all of his analysis was like you're hanging on every word.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Nick Saban was amazing, and I think he lost a
little speed because he's old and he probably didn't think
he needed to pace himself for four hours.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
It was a long event, though.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
He got probably got tired by the end of the
night because it didn't wrap up till like at least nine.
It was like four and a half hours long. It
was really long. It was it was like three.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
And a half.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I think it was over by about eight four.
Speaker 7 (37:22):
Yeah, Yeah, but maybe Saban just got tired because it
was past his bedtime.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
But you know, here's also that case is you're focusing
a lot of your analysis on probably the top half
of the draft. And it's funny you say that, Jason,
because I just think that, like for Saban being great
is not a surprise, just like Belichick got rave reviews
for what he did during the McAfee broadcast, that should
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not be a surprise. When these guys could sit there
and talk football, who better to listen to and hear them.
Maybe it's amazing to see how they work in a
television structure, but like their input. It's why I always
hated the all Belichick He's so boring and blah blah blah.
But maybe the same thing with Saban. But when they
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actually talk about it and break it down it is
it is great to hear. It's one of the few,
like thirty for thirties that I have still saved. There's
a Parcels and Belichick one. There's that Saban Belichick documentary.
I don't know if it was thirty for thirty or
his HBO as one of those two that's saved on
my DVR, just because they're so good in talking football.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Speaking of Mike. Wait wait in the first round. I
don't know when Jacksonville chose, but they chose this kid
named Brian Thomas and his parents mostly TV. I love
the first answer of his mom.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Right here, Soandra, how far has this family come?
Speaker 3 (38:46):
We came from Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
When you think about the journey that you've been on together,
what does tonight mean to you? It means the world.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
It's amazing. I'm so grateful to God, so happy for him.
We are so proud of him.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I mean, she wasn't wrong. They did come from Baton Rouge.
That's a naked gun humor right there. That was That
was amazing. That was that was amazing. That said it
felt like a family feud? Answer it did? Or are
you even a dating game?
Speaker 2 (39:14):
What was that? What was that movie? Top Secret? When
when one of the characters was like, yeah, I know
a little Russian He's over there and it's a little person,
a little Russian person across them.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
The literal one. That's uh, the famous Marvin Barnes. You
guys know who Marvin Barnes was. Marvin Barnes was famously
one of the great eccentric players in the A B
A and uh am I forgetting what's famous broadcaster called
the NBA Finals on NBC. Uh mister baseball Costas ab
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Costas he likes to tell the story. He was the
play by play man for the Saint Louis Spirit at
the time. Marvin Barnes played for it. And I think
they were flying from Indy to Saint Louis and they
were on two different time zones. And he looked at
his ticke it and one lets said, like leaving at
seven eight, arriving at seven six, you know, And he's like, man,
I ain't getting on no time machine any take things
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literally that. That's an amazing answer. The great job.
Speaker 7 (40:13):
Who is the reporter that followed up knowing I'm not
going to embarrass the bond that does NFL Game Day
on the Sam Ponder.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
No, she's over two. What is her name?
Speaker 1 (40:29):
NFL Live. She's very good, she's a very good.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Great job in the then reformulating the question in not,
you know, completely embarrassing her.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
What did Sam say?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
I don't know what. He just got something going on,
but I wanted to say that. The follow up after
we just played was hey, uh folks, she turns to
the parents and says, I need a Duval, give me
a Duval. And the dad looks at her and says,
what's the and then she she went to a break.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Oops, you can't all about a thousand? Uh can I'm
gonna I know the duvalt What is it about?
Speaker 7 (41:08):
No idea, I just know it's a jaggular Duval County
is where they is, where Jacksonville is.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
So they go got it. Sorry, that was a bad one.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
They're just big fans of Apocalypse now that Robert de Valsant.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
It was a big night for Jason Stewart, who had
another tweet go viral with the Joe Alt pick topped
out over a million views.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
But it wasn't alt.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Right, No, it's I mean it's getting up to like
one point three now.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
What was it.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
It's one of those tweets where even my sub tweet,
my comments to other people are getting thousand likes. It's
just one of those moments in time where you hit
it at the right time and it just went went
everywhere and then al Kick picked it up. Anyways, so
Joe Alt is sitting there with all his family.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Oh yeah, with his girlfriend, and it's a.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Good twenty second delay and the broadcast figured it out
by the time I got to brock Bowers, But before
then they were dealing with this thing where they just
sat there and waited for the family to hear the news.
And Joe Alt's girlfriend is a peculiar looking person. She's attractive,
but she also looks like they superimposed a cartoon character
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right next to her.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
And she gives that the description of most.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Curious look like a fascinating look.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
What about was it? Oulu fashionu?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
His mom that got a lot.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
She's kind of blocking out the girlfriend who's just trying
to touch at the thigh or the hands, just trying
to like, dude, you got on the couch, You're good.
Sometimes she got on the couch.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
I didn't quite understand the reaction to that, but it
was explained to me, and now I do understand. I
guess there was a draft pick a couple of years
ago that has his girlfriend, I don't know who it was,
falling all over him, but it's a dynamic of a
white woman in a black draft pick. That's that's the
joke on Twitter. I just didn't understand it.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Terry and Arnold, realizing that he was talking to Detroit
and they were all right behind him, and then he
turned around and yelled to Detroit, I'm home. There's a
lot of Detroit jokes that could have come out of
that one, right, A lot of them, A lot of
good ones.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Would you guys think of the very beginning bringing out
Eminem and all those lions to address the crowd and
Jesus is.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Always awkward when the commissioner is there. It's such a
soft like you're trying to cushion the blow that he's
going to get. And it's just like I feel, I
actually feel for all of the Lions and Eminem for
being put in that situation.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
They just said let's go. I mean, they took the
mug and said let's go. I'n imagine it.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Actually think that's the worst thing that Tom Brady has
brought to football. Are sports? Really let's go? And we
all find ourselves doing it sometimes, like something cool happens
to you just go, let's go. Why did I do that?
When J. C.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Latham lifted up Roger Goodell and Godel at back surgery
within the last month, and I told my mom and
my wife and then they replayed it like four or
five times, and every time you know.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
My mom was like, oh my gosh, like it hurts Stephen.
Watch was he cringing? No? But he was. It was
like this bear hog and what if he popped his back?
Does that feels so good? You're standing up there a
long time? Oh man, yeah, if he's back was fine?
Can you do next? You guys? Did you guys know
like I'm an amateur chiropractor? No? I did.
Speaker 7 (44:40):
It's not a good thing to be why because you
can really injure somebody.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Nah.
Speaker 7 (44:45):
Yeah, the way you can suffer a stroke. Actually, if
you pull the wrong thing.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
I don't pull the wrong thing. I don't mess with next.
I just do back doctor. But I can. I can
arrange you. I can align your pretty good at it too,
you know, pretty good at it. Yeah. The Joe Alds
girlfriend one was just yeah, it was the expert in
awkwardness and it's a delay. Just smile and wave right.
Speaker 7 (45:10):
She looked like a startled, like doctioned, like a Wiener dog.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
But this is this is where Jason deserves the credit,
is the everybody was looking at the same thing. He
took his camera and zoomed in on her look and
the editing of it is perfect. It's quick. It's a move.
She is wide eyed and not going on. You know,
she doesn't know what's going on. It's a really really
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good job by Jason to put that together, to capture
the moment that so many of us saw but didn't
realize that we were looking at it.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
There's who's the Who's the SNL actress? Strange looking woman
but really funny and I forget anyway, Rachael Dratch, is
it the w Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
That was the most common response to my tweet that
she looked like that woman.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I love Rachel Dredge. Hilarious.
Speaker 7 (46:03):
The NFL put this number out. This is official. They
say two hundred and seventy five thousand people day one,
NFL drafted ten official NFL.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
That is spitballing. This is like how many people attended
at victory.
Speaker 7 (46:19):
P two hundred and seventy five. I mean, okay, I
understand there's a math to it, and twenty five thousand,
I mean it's a lot of there's Detroit. It was
beautiful weather, It was a really good showcase for the city.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
It was really good official from the guy paid to
eyeball and spit spitball Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
The Clippers. Probably the Clippers at tenants taker from the
nineties is probably that guy. Nebraska home football games, so
Nebrasco Poma games, they buy and sell ticket there's actuals
sold out for like forty five there's no tickets being
sold there. So again, like I get, you can do
the math of hey, all these basic number of people
or whatever. But yeah, but I will point out, like
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what was the rating? Do we have the overnight ratings?
Yet I don't. I have not seen them. It is crazy,
you know, when we sit there and go like, wow,
most watched WNB and you think like wow, that's crazy.
Then you see the NFL's number, You're like, holy hell.
Speaker 4 (47:08):
Here's the tricky part about it, because of all of
the different broadcasts.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
I don't know on how much. I mean, I know
we'll get the ESPN number. We can, they'll do that.
The NFL will pull them together, they'll go the you know,
and there's a million different ways to watch. But even that,
you're right, even the broken up broadcast, the numbers will
be gargange. Yes, numbers, people gargage because there's still people
who they think sports they only turn to ESPN. They
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don't turn to the NFL network, even though the NFL networks,
I feel like their products has been superior. So I
agree with you on I thought Belichick was awesome. I
thought Saban was awesome. I thought DJ was awesome. I'm
a McShay guy. I think he's fantastic. I like mel
It's kind of the same thing on repeat, you know,
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it's it's been it's been a long time. The rest
of it I thought was fine. There was some you know,
I thought ESPN probably got the memo on let's not
do a death story, you know, not everybody suffered some
traumatic loss that led them to becoming an NFL star.
I think they sort of got the memo. There wasn't
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the same sort of tone.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
There's two things Seahawks related that happened. Number One, there's
this running joke within the Seahawks fan boards of how
TV networks end up like going to commercial break right
before the Seahawks pick, so because it's like, okay, the
Seahawks around the clock, let's go to break, let's not
talk about this pick, and it's and by the way,
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it happened again last night. And then when they did
take Byron Murphy, he was sweating like the pits were
were soaked. It was it was when you get you know,
thirty people jammed in the living room. You got to
turn the ac on in that scenario. Yeah, yeah, so
he was. He was and he was just wearing like
jeans and like a polo shirt.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
But it was. Yeah, they were sweating that one out.
I I love the family picks on the on the
on the couch. Those are couches, not sofas. By the way,
what's the difference. Have you ever seen six Degrees of separation?
It's a famous play, right and whatever? He talks about
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learning how to say sofa instead of couch. A couch
is one where you can wear whatever. You can put
your feet up on a couch, you can the families
all welcome. You can eat on the couch. The sofa
that usually goes in the living room, not the family room, right,
got it? Sofa. It's like a they talk about a
bottle of beer, right or a beer So there's a difference.
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Those are couches. Those are real people, you know. I
love that stuff and I love it two things.
Speaker 7 (49:49):
Yeah, loved seeing Sabin as a Kent State player in
the Black and White. Loved that because we forget sometimes
these guys, you know, they played back and like you
see Kirk Farns at Iowa was a Yukon Husky linebacker,
you know, and I'd love to see a picture of him.
And then, uh, I forgot my second point. I just
forgot it. But I did love seeing the saban the
pick there. Oh overall, just generally, did you guys feel
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sorry it came back to me? Did you guys feel
just like the second half of the picks kind of
just dragged?
Speaker 1 (50:16):
I don't know, like.
Speaker 7 (50:17):
It always happens, I know, but I actually thought the
first ten twelve picks were really fun, entertaining. I did
not think it was boring. But then when we got
to the second half of the first round, it just
kind of like the energy just sort of disappeared. Nobody fell,
Nobody fell out of a sand fall. You gotta have
a fog. And let's be honest, offense cells. So when
you have fourteen straight picks of offense, I know, some
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more linemen, but still fourteen picks of offense, nobody's getting
jacked up over you know, a defensive back or defensive
end being.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
You didn't so when so when your Seahawks took a
defensive tackle. You didn't go, let's go.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
I did like I did like to pick, but I
don't expect everybody to be along with me and being,
you know, enthralled with it. And then when you get
to the ladder the latter stages of the draft, it
just did you know that tends to happen. I actually
feel like there's more buzz about what could happen here
at the beginning of the second round than what happens
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in the last ten picks of the first run invested.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
Yeah, Cooper Degen, Yeah, I mean, look, I still I
love that. There's a bunch of funny stuff to me, right,
that the Packers drafted an offensive tackle. I think a
good one too, But like that's the most Packer thing
ever Cowboys did. With the Cowboys like seem to only
pick guys that played locally like Oklahoma, Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Texas. Right,
that's like all day. I know their star linebackers from
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Penn State, but you know, drafting Tyler Geiton, who's a
very good, very good tackle. How about Micah parsons reaction
to that one, Like, dude, you just drafted a starting
tackle and Micah Parsons acted like who like this was.
This guy wasn't even on my list. Not great, not great,
and of course Xavier Worthy. That's exactly what Pat Mahomes needs, right,
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is somebody the fastest dude in draft. You just drafted
the fast dude. They throw it as far as you can.
Speaker 4 (52:02):
I thought of Bill Simmons when the trade was done
to get Shabbaz Napier to Miami, because that's who Lebron wanted,
and he was so mad that people were doing deals
with the Heat. I felt the same way, like Buffalo,
why are you doing a deal with Kansas City so
they can get the guy that they want just out
of principle?
Speaker 1 (52:20):
Out of principle too, I agree, or make them pay
twice what the normal going rate would be.
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welcome in. So the draft is happening, right, It is happening,
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and there's a lot of different teams to talk about.
You know, I'm sitting next to my son, we're driving
to basketball practice last night, and he's like, ugh, we
took Joe Alt And I was like, by what you
mean the Chargers? Yeah, dude, why didn't we take a
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wide receiver? We get rid of Mike Williams, We get
rid of Keenan Allen. Didn't your son say the same thing.
They're Jason Stewart essentially the same thing.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Affirmative.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, and that's what all. That's what the kids are shaying,
right And I was like, dude, if you haven't figured
out what they're doing in uh with the Chargers with
hardball ball, then let me let you in on a
little secret. Okay. He brings in Greg Roman, who's I
believe the last three offenses he touched in the NFL
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were the Ravens, which yes, I know they topped out
and everybody blaw named Greg Roman. But Lamar Jackson was
the MVP the Buffalo Bills when Tarrod Taylor was their
quarterback and they went to the playoffs first time in
like thirteen years. I think Greg Groman was the OC
And of course the San Francisco forty nine ers when
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they went to the Super Bowl with Jim Harbaugh as
the coach, Like, look, they brought in his two favorite
running backs and they gave they said, hey, we're going
to run the football and we're going to protect our
primary asset. The asinine comments over people going like Hill,
will they trade will they trade their quarterback? Like, if
you think for a second they're going to trade their quarterback,
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you haven't talked to anybody in the Charges organization. So
they think they have their quarterback. They want to protect
their quarterback and run the football, and they'll figure the
rest out over the rest of the draft and getting
them some wide receivers. But I thought that the most
interesting one was what happened at number eight. Okay, Michael Pennix,
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who is kind of a medical miracle, right He's at
multiple knee surgeries and yet he ran He ran a
four or five, got a cannon for an arm. He
is left handed. I've seen all the memes with dogs
in Atlanta when a Mike left handed Michael was drafted
at quarterback. Great memes, Great work social media world out there,
(03:24):
You're you're awesome, You're awesome. But I gotta point out
what has happened here in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
So again, I'm not a huge Falcons fan, and I
do on some level understand, Hey man, you got a chance,
you got a chance to draft a quarterback of the
future who's sitting there at eight, and you have Kirk
Cousins who's thirty six years old coming off and coming
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off an Achilles ten and tear. There's a world there
where Kirk Cousins plays two years and then Michael Pennix
takes over, kind of like Jordan Love in Green Bay
and it's seamless and you're actually good for a long time.
That's great, that's great, and by many people's estimation, the
roster is pretty good. They just needed a quarterback, they
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just needed a plan, and now they have one. But man, Terry,
remember this is Terry Fontinau, the dude who apparently what
happened was Bill Belichick was gonna be hired as head
coach and the front office is like, nah, we don't
want to work with that guy. Okay, Well, this is
the same front office that drafted Kyle Pitts at four
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and then Richie Grant in the second round, and then
they drafted the next year Drake London. Hey, who's been okay,
But they drafted Jake London at eight last year. Bjeonn Robinson,
who I love Bjeon Robinson. I think he's got a
chance to be really really good. Four in the draft. Ooh,
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some pretty good players that were still available. So the
point is the point is that when we look at
for example, the Chargers. Okay, you can see a plan
in place that makes sense. Right, Does anyone dispute what
the Chargers are doing and I'm only using the Chargers
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of the jumping off, Does anybody dispute what they know
what they're doing?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
You have, arguably or inarguably maybe that one of the best,
the best left tackle in football. Now you drafted Alt
who I think is going to play right tackle. You
got your bookends. You start from there. They got good
running backs they just brought in. They know the system.
They got a quarterback like they're they're good. I would
guess that with a wide receiver heavy draft, you'll see
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some wide receivers taken and they got to change their
defense to mirror how they want to play under Harball,
and that'll be a work in progress. But what worked
for Harball will work for his brother and Paul More
will work for Harbord San Francisco, will work for Harbord Michigan.
What work for Harbord Stanford is likely the plan and
Joe Allt fits that plan. Correct. Okay, what's the plan Atlanta? Right?
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You go get Kirk Cousins because you want to win.
Now you draft a quarterback at eight because if you
want to play him in three years, and I understand,
in three years Michael Pennox's contract will not hurt you
at all. The middle of that rookie deal three years,
three years, four won't hurt you at all. But wow,
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what a risk. Wow, what a risk? You know? And
you know they took b Jon Robinson who has no
skeletons in the closet right and passed on Jaalen Carter.
But man, does Jalen Carter have a ton of talent?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
You know?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
So I'm just sitting here going and in and of itself,
I don't hate it drafting a quarterback because you have
a quarterback who's thirty six years old coming off an
Achilles tendon. But when you factor in that, these same
guys have drafted poorly atop the draft the past couple
of years. And again I'm admitting I love Bjeon Robinson.
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I'm a Bjeon Robinson fan. And people have said, you're
okay drafting a running back in the first round, just
don't re sign him at the top of the market
deal and we'll see if Atlanta does that, right, But
four is really high for a running back. No matter
how good he is, especially when you didn't have a
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quarterback last year, right, and then you go sign the
bell of the ball in Kirk Cousins and you draft
his eventual replacement. That is bizarre planning from Terry Foutna.
Here's Terry Fotton explaining the logic behind their pick.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Kirk Cousins is our quarterback. We're very excited about Kirk,
very excited about this team. You look at the future
and you look at big picture, but we are very
excited about that quarterback room. And again, Kirk is our quarterback.
But adding Michael Pennix is thinking about the future. We're
very excited about where Kirk is. You know, we feel
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very confident in him and everything he's gonna he's gonna
do for us. Again, we're thinking more long term with this,
So very very excited about Kirk.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That has not changed. This is a pick thinking about
the future.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, listen, it's and I'm sure the first call he
got after he hung up with the phone was from
Kirk Cousins saying, whiskey tango foxtrot, right, because they've said
essentially what the Packers said to Aaron Rodgers, and it's
it's not crazy talk, right, not crazy talk. Hey dude,
you're thirty six, it's two years guaranteed, and if you
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keep playing great, that's awesome. We'll figure out the next thing.
Then in the meantime we have your eventual successor because
everybody ages out of this thing. The problem with it
is you're going to take a developmental quarterback who's twenty
five years old at eight in the draft when he's
not going to play for two years, and you didn't
even clear it with cousins, and it doesn't seem to
marry with the we want to win now sort of thing, like, look,
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if you got dudes for days, you just have a
stack roster and you're like, ah, let's just grab and
stash a quarterback not playing for two years by all means.
But I don't think that's what this roster looks like.
So look, many of these, many of these guys we
won't know, and we still won't know a year in,
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and we definitely don't know after one round of the draft,
because while teams have passed on wide receivers in the
first round, there's plenty to take in the second round.
We've seen that from the Packers years in the past, like, hey, dude,
we'll fine, We'll take guys in the second, third round,
so we'll see. We'll be able to pinpoint what a
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team's focus is watching them. Like for the Raiders, you
guys know, I love the brock Bauers pick. I thought
he's the best player in the SEC. And I understand
they need a quarterback, but because the quarterbacks that they
wanted work on, they went with the best player. And
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he's nasty. I mean, he's nasty. And how about that
division with with the with the two tight end. I mean,
he could be the next Kelsey that he's that good
a football player. So every team's story is different unto itself.
Not every team, believe or not, is competing for a
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championship this year. But you have to have congruent draft picks,
just like you have to have congruent offense and defense.
Does that it makes sense you can't have you know,
for example, if you're gonna have a super physical offense,
you've got to have a super physical defense, one in which,
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like again, one in which is built. If you're gonna
have the Ravens style offense, you've got to have the
raven style of defense. You know, Whereas I think Kansas
City style, I think it marries with how they play offensively,
but it also takes place with everything in an organization congruency.
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It has to work all together. And the reason the
alt pick I used that one is it works all
together with what the Chargers have been doing in the offseason,
which is dismantling the previous way it was built and
reconfiguring it into a power offense that runs the football,
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that protects their quarterback, that runs play action so that
Justin Herbert has time, not under duress, is not injured.
Right makes sense Signing Kirk Cousins when you desperately need
a quarterback to win and win now makes sense. Made
sense to me drafting his eventual replacement who won't play
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for two years, Drafting a backup for at least two
years when he's twenty five years old, when he's had
multiple injuries. But more than anything, when I thought, you're
in win now mode, that doesn't make sense to me,
and you don't have the positive equity from previous drafts.
Had you killed at the past couple of years in
the draft, had everyone been talking about how talented this
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roster was, they just needed a quarterback and they'll be
fine and then everything else's everything else's cake by all
means right. That's, by the way, where Tampa was when
they added Tom Brady. Everybody thought that roster's really good.
Just need a quarterback who doesn't turn it over, just
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a solid quarterback does and turned over adulting room a
belief in winning. You can't couldn't do it with Jamis.
Jamis had been there through too many losses, too many
missed opportunities, too many turnovers. I got it. That all
made sense. Arian's not really a detailed guy. He brought in,
you know, he bring in Brady Brady handle all the
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details with the offense. That makes sense, even the and
I you can go back and pull the tape. I
was working at Fox Sports Trade at the time when
they drafted Jordan Love. I said that made sense because
it was late in the first round. They're never going
to get to move up to draft. And if you
actually talk to anybody in the NFL, they all said,
he's like two three years away, got a chance to
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be good, gotta be coached well. And I don't know
if Jordan Love is as good as he looked at
times last year, but so far, the plan has worked seamlessly.
What's the plan here in Atlanta? That's the issue. And
then you factor in that supposedly Belichick had the job
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and the reason he didn't get the job was he
couldn't jibe with these guys. Maybe he couldn't job with
these guys because they stink at their job. Is that possible?
Remember the previous answer to their quarterback issues was Marcus,
I want to say not to Yes, the soapboat, Marcus
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Mariota and Desmond Ritter. That was the previous plan. Now
it's Kirk Cousins and Michael PENNOCKX, no doubt an upgrade.
I like Kirk Cousins, but you pay them a hundred million.
He's coming off in Achilles, and instead of surrounding him
with more talent and getting a viable backup or drafting
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a developmental quarterback later in the draft, he drafted a
twenty five year old who's gonna have to play in
year three. Give me your thoughts at Gottlieb Show is
the Twitter and Instagram handle at gott Leeb Show. Hm
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Byral how was your draft experience?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Draft experience was great? But can I weigh in on
this I'm just on this for the two cents. There's
a difference though, of Aaron Rodgers and having Jordan Love
then signing Kirk Cousins and having like there that's you're
You're changing plans in a span of six weeks.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And I probably didn't. Did I not articulated when I
said it made I thought I said it made sense
the love thing? Where is this one does? Yeah? Yeah,
I thought I thought that you were saying that.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Look, the Packers did it, and that's what the Falcons
explanation was for it. It's also just the plane is
day of This was their plan. They didn't trade up
because Pennix fell.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
They didn't. I don't know if it was though, because
he didn't. They didn't do a visit with him.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
No, they did. They flew to Seattle to see him.
They had a contingency to Seattle to go and see him. Okay,
And the spot that you thought that Pennix was going
to go was thirteen and so for them to if
if you were if he was going to go anywhere
he felt it was probably to the Raiders or if Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Was going to try. I think the Raiders were going
to take him. Yeah, I think I think that's fair enough.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
And so like there's there's there's the sense of not
even of like trading down or trading back and trying
to maneuver. They felt that he was going to go
on the top thirteen and that it was beneficial for
them to take him at eight, which is again free
agency was not even two months ago. And whether Cousins
is healthy or not. If he's not healthy, then don't
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give him a hundred million dollars guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, that's just you're you're you're actually doing a better
job of making my making my point, which is like again,
if we if we put in the context the actual
Aaron Rodgers thing he was. He was a MalCon who
didn't like the new offense, didn't like the new system,
didn't have a good season, and started to look older.
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So they drafted a guy who's the developmental prospect, and
it matched up with how long it would take him
to develop and how long Aaron Rodgers had on his deal.
And the surprise was Aaron Rodgers turned it around and
won back to back MVPs. Right, yeah, And so then
they made the hard decision bit the bullet Aaron was
too much. They got rid of Aaron by the way,
just in time. It's literally anyone who says anything about
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the Packers, no matter if Jordan Love tanks or blows up.
They got rid of Aaron Rodgers four plays before he
tore his achilles tendon. You cannot get a better trade
than that, And now they have cash galore to spend
and they're in a good position. Okay, but that was
the context behind the pick was they had Aaron Rodgers.
He looked like he was fading. He looked like he
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didn't like the new system. So they drafted a guy
that in a couple years could replace him. The difference is,
as you're probably pointing out, is like they champion. It's like, hey,
we want to win. We wanted to now, and we
got Kirk Cousins. And Kirk Cousins conversely, I know coming
off the injury, but was coming off an unbelievable season.
He was on pace to throw for six thousand yards.
Oh yeah, By the way, the other thing you do
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is you just pissed off Kirk Cousins. And I know
he's performed well, but I guarantee that Kirk Cousins hung
up the phone after mfing his agent up and down,
or maybe he didn't MFM because it's Kirk Cousins. Gosh, golly,
g Willakers. That really stinks, right, But I guarantee he
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turned to his wife and said, this is just like Washington. Like, dude,
he's got PTSD. Okay, he was in Washington and the
damn GM didn't know his first name, kept calling him
Kurt when his first name is Kirk. And he's like,
these fricking guys, they signed me, they parade me around,
they championee Mark Matt Ryan retires. That was a big thing.
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It happened two days ago, right, and I think part
of that was they just they wanted to the Matt
Ryan Airs over passed the baton officially to Kirk Cousins. Great. Oh, hey,
by the way, we're gonna take with the eighth pick
in the draft. And he doesn't fit what Jordan Love was.
Jordan Love was super young, had only played two years
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in college, and was a developmental guy. Pennix is not
a developmental guy. He's been developed. Does he need to
improve course, And it doesn't mean that he's not gonna
be a good quarterback. It just means these plans don't
make any sense. And I use the chargers because you
don't have to. It doesn't have to work. But you
can see what their plan is. It's painfully obvious. We're
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gonna kick the crap out of you at the line
of scrimmage and run play action. And it doesn't matter
as much with our wide receiving talent if you can't
stop us from running the football anyway. And I'm kind
of fired of by the charger thing. I kind of
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want to see him be the bully for warm funds.
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dot Com. Mark Dominic joins us. He spent twenty years
in NFL front offices and scouting. Former general manager of
the Tampay Buccaneers. Okay, so here's my issue with what
Terry Fonteau did as the general manager of the Falcons,
and I like again, please Mark, You and I are
good enough friends. If you disagree, you're allowed to disagree.
You've actually done this job. I don't mind taking a
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quarterback who you know, Look, you're starting quarterbacks thirty six
years old coming up to Achilles ten and eventually he's
going to take over like that. But you just just
went all in on a guy and spent one hundred
million dollars on a guy with the eighth pick in
the draft to draft a twenty five year old quarterback
that many people think would be more ready to go
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than others. That that seems like a dramatic pivot, and
they clearly didn't tell Cousins. So now he's pissed right, like,
what are what's your take on what Atlanta decided to
do last night?
Speaker 6 (21:24):
You know, I appreciate you being patient with me for
calling in walking the city of Detroit right now, heading
back to around two and three of the draft, and
you know, even if I filled out a mock draft
today for the first round, I'd still get that pick wrong,
you know, because it just doesn't make any sense to
me either. You know, it's just one of those ones
where I just really struggle with it because I listened
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to the press conference, and I'm like, they're like, well
you know that's that pick is about the future of
the team. Well, you have the eighth pick in the draft.
You knew you had the eighth pick in the draft.
You went to the Senior Bowl, you saw him there,
he went to the combine, you saw him talk to
him there. You know you had all these opportunities. Why
did you sign Kirk Cousins, Like you just go draft
Michael Pennix and say let's go. It's the future. So
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it doesn't make any sense to me either that they
would do both. And this is nothing against Michael. I
feel bad for Michael Pennix because he's even like you
watched him on the couch and he was kind of
like he took everybody around him to kind rally him up.
He's like, I'm going to Atlanta where I know I'm
not going to play for a couple of years. Kind
of a bizarre feeling. So I can't see the logic
behind it. I think you do one or the other.
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You either sign Kirk Cousins and you go to this draft.
You take Roman Dunday you've become a great offense. You
take maybe a top corner top path rusher great or
you don't sign Kirk Cousins, you draft Michael Pennocks and
you go spend one hundred million dollars on defensive players
and make a team better. So I can't make light
of it either. And talking to people from Atlanta, they're
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struggling with the two.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
It's a weird one. There's no doubt. What pick did
you like the best?
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Well, it all goes to where you get the guy sometimes,
I mean to be able to you know, take Quindin
Mitchell at twenty two for the Philadelphia Eagles, I thought
was such a great pick. I think that that one
to me really kind of stood out as Wow, what
great value. I thought Jared Burst to be able to
go to the Rams is a really good fit and
good value at that point. I love Roman Dunze, so
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you know, for the Bears to be able to add
him to this offense that they're trying to put together
for the young player, I love that. So there's a
lot of them that I like. But my favorite player
going into this was Brock Powers and now he's going
to be part of a two or three tight information
that you're going to see at the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I do too. I love I said that yesterday on
Twitter on the radio show, like I felt like he
was the best player in the SEC. And then you know,
the Raiders, they might have taken Penix, but then they
just took the best player available. And he's a hell
of a player. And you know, for whomever they choose
that quarterback, I think he becomes an immediate threat. All right,
what pick, let's take Atlanta aside. What pick did you
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like the least?
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Yeah, so, wasn't a huge fan of memes for the
Sintate Bengals. I feel like there's a lot of potential there,
but I think it's also potential to bus. I see
him over extend a lot on tape and makes me
a little nervous that if he's gonna be able to
handle the athletes that he's going to see at the
next level. I don't just like the kid or anything
like that. It's just I see something where the Bengals
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I'm nervous that he's not going to be able to
live up to the expectations because again, he's a six
foot eighter, but he's not technically a sound as like
an All Toys where you see all be very technically
sound where he doesn't get himself in bad position. Mim does,
and so he's one of the ones I but I
think it was my one that I said, don't love
to fit for that player. But understand, you got to
get Joe Burrow healthy.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
You do have to do have to get Joe Burrow healthy.
What'd you think of the all pick?
Speaker 6 (24:44):
I'm good with it. I have no problem with it. Seeah,
the way the reason I saw that is if you
look at it now, you know, the Chargers could have
taken their choice of you know, anybody outside of Harrison,
so they could have taken neighbors that could have taken Rome.
But if they wouldn't have taken a tackle there, the
tackle run as you saw when eight deep in the
first round. So now the tackle board that I thought
might go you know, six, six to seven maybe the
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first round or their top of the second round pick,
it's not there now now that the tackles aren't there
to that level. But they're still really good receivers here,
and so I think they're in really good shape to
be able to take a receiver here and walk out
with what they think is elite right tackle and then
also still walk out with what they think still can
be a number one wide receiver or a number two
with Palmer.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Uh. Okay, if if you're if you're watching today, who's
the player who's available that you're most interested in? Where
he goes? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (25:33):
I think Josh Newton is a guy that's a defensive
tackle out of Illinois. You know, he had a pre
draft injury, but is a really good pass rusher. There's
not a lot of them in this draft class. So
he really stands out to me in the Cooper Degene
if I take some Iowa you know, corner slot safety,
I think those two guys scream, come get me a
top of the you know, second round, and it can
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interestee buffalo stays there or they continue to move back.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Stell Gottlieb show here on Fox Small Worts Radio. Uh,
Like this thing is fast and let let's let's go
to some of these go to some of these quarterbacks. Obviously,
like we've talked about Kayleb Williams. What do you think
of the wide receiver they chose to put around him?
Speaker 6 (26:18):
What about the wide receivers around Kleb Blames?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Is that right? Yep?
Speaker 6 (26:21):
I love Roma Donze. I think that the Caleb Willimes
is really set up with the two tight ends with
DeAndre Swift, They're giving him every chance to be successful.
The whole thing for the Chicago Bears is going to
become the opposive line. Stay healthy, Kevin Jenkins going inside
the guard, that's to be a big part of it.
But if he can stay healthy, they're in great shape.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, they're they're in really. I mean, that's amazing the
turnaround they've been able to make with that uh, with
that roster. Okay, let me ask you about the Broncos.
The Broncos choose to get the most experienced quarterback in
the history of college football, right, they go and get
the most experienced quarterback in the straight college football. What
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do you think of the fit?
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Well, I think the thing that you have there with
Sean Payton is the fact that you've got so much
to your point, so much take to evaluate, So it's
hard not to know what you're getting. If you're a coach,
meaning you know, you want to know two minute drill,
he's got a ton of it. You want to know
what he's like with two ten points up. He's got
a ton of tape. If you want to see what
he's like the ten points down how he handles football.
He's got that. So you can really from an anlo
that standpoint, and from a coaching standpoint, you can spend
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a lot of time here being able to break him
down and feel comfortable with it. I think it's a
combination pick for them. I think it's one of the
things where you know they're not obviously going to come
out and say we couldn't trade up, But I think
what they're going to say is, hey, look, it was
a hopeful but a little desperate because of all the
quarterback rooms going into the draft, I think theirs was
the worst, and so now becoming out of a draft
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at least I have hope. But I think there's a
little desperation in that pick as well.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah, I'm with you that it seems a little high.
JJ McCarthy to the Viking seems to fit really well, right.
I mean, you know they place Kirk Cousins with Kirk Cousins, like,
didn't they?
Speaker 6 (28:04):
Yeah, And Josh buccown loves him. He loves his arm,
loves what he can do, and that's gonna be good
to have a guy like Josh buccown be the coach
for him because of what Josh has been through this
league and how he's.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Dealt with me.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
I think he's a really technical, good coach, and I
think he was certainly pushing the buttons trying to make
sure that that's who they come out with. So I
think it's a good fit, not only for the player,
for the for the you know, the players around him.
Now it's just for me. The number one focus that
Minnesota have to do is they've got to get JJ
signed up and if they can get him signed up
long term and just spending the money like you're supposed
to when you have an elite player, take care of him,
(28:36):
get done to make sure the quarterback has this one
target and you go into camp in a great spot.
So I really a good fit, good talent around him.
But it's got to get JJ's got to get locked
up long term.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
And do you start him right away or do you
think Sam Donald gets a start and he learns.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
I think Sam Donald might get to start for a
week or two and then I think he's transitioned over.
It's always good I think for having rookies to have
a chance to sit there and say, wait a second,
let's let's take a step back. Let's see how defensive
coordinators attack. Let him see how defensive coordinators attack you
in the regular seasons. The first is what you see
in the preseason. And then you know the pranands are
going to be wanting for him to get out there.
(29:12):
So if there's a slip up by Sam Donald, Sam
Donald's you know, two touchdowns, two interceptions, and they're one
and one or one and two, it's an easy transition
to go over to instead of just putting them out
their week one thing, go figure it out. So I
would rather him wait for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
If on all bossom. When you've been doing this draft
and you're in that room and you have your second
round board, it starts to go quicker do you do you?
Which is? Which is a which is a uh uh
an easier way to work when things are going pick
quick with all the picks second round beyond or in
(29:46):
the first round, when you have time to kind of
measure yourself, answer the phone call and think about what
you want to do next.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
It's it's better when it's quicker, but it's not quick.
It means you know, when you have one pick per
a round with the compensary picks. You're waited an hour
and a half between picks, which seems like a long time,
and then know the first round went pretty long last night.
But you know, there's nothing better to me than day
two at the draft of the GM, I love to
day two. I mean everybody loves Day one. Everybody loves
first round picks, don't get me wrong, but day two
(30:13):
is really where you try to build up your roster,
and it's just it's so much fun to be able
to work around those boards. You have a chance to
move back and maybe pick up future picks. You got
a chance the bundle picks up and go get a guy.
I just love day two because I love the second
and third round because there's so many good players that
you can still uncover and find on your football team.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Awesome stuff. Mark, get back to work. You do an
awesome job for us, an incredible amount of insight. Thanks
so munch being our guest on Fox Sports Rightio.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Thanks for the time words. I appreciate it. Man enjoyed
the draft.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
That's Mark Dominic joins us in the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. It's so interesting, right, Like he
doesn't have his own team, and yet you can hear
the energy that he has from covering this thing because
all of these guys, this is what they've they've done
their entire professional lives and they and they love it
and they absolutely absolutely love it.
Speaker 7 (30:59):
There's so many gems that are mined out of Day
two and is there there's a Day three?
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah three.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
There's so many gems that are mined great players. So
it's hard to keep track of all these guys, but
you're gonna see them. These names pop up in three
or four years, sure.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
And this is a again, it's not just a different
era because of NIL, it's a different era because of
the transfer portal. So there have been a lot of
players that have dispersed. I still think obviously you can
see the dominance of the SEC and the dominance of
how many SEC players are drafted, and you will see
that consider on continue on, and that will only get
(31:34):
I think more pronounced in the next year or two
with all the NIL that those schools have. And I
think some of the schools in the Big ten Ohio
states specifically, like they're going to dominate this draft, just
like they're going to dominate the sport. They have more money,
there's no salary cap, but the run on quarterbacks is over.
(31:56):
The Falcons left us with the biggest head scratcher. I
love what the Raiders did. I think there's a new
era in Chicago. They finally have a franchise quarterback. Let's
see if they cannot screw it up.
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The draft is is in Detroit, right and last night
(32:43):
an unbelievable crowd in Detroit, which I gotta tell you,
I still don't get, like I get the well I
want to go to a draft. I've never been to one,
but I don't know. Just a bunch of people in
a crowd waiting for one draft pick, cheering for dudes
that don't have No one has any sort of idea
(33:03):
right of most these guys and if they can play
or not. The best place to watch the draft is
at home. It's at home, FIRA. How was your draft
watching experience? It was good.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
It was Seahawks were smack dab in the middle of it.
You know said yesterday that we're my focus. Was was
interesting to watch again, you know, family and Tom, little
little chaos here and there. However, the TV was fully
on the draft. Even tried to check out both broadcasts.
I've been leaning towards the NFL network the past couple
(33:39):
of years, but just wanted to see what ESPN and
ABC provided, but stuck mostly with the NFL network. And
it was a little boring at first because there were
no trades, and then things just really kind of got
spiced up with the Pennox pick made it interesting. Then
you saw some trades later on, but I wanted to
see some teams moving up to three, moving up to six,
(34:00):
and so it was a little, I don't want to
say a little boring, but it was a little whole
hum at the start.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
From no it's boring, was boring. I mean, there's a
lot of quarterbacks that went, which drives a lot of
people's opinions because people think they know about their quarterbacks.
I see my quarterback like, and we don't know. We
have no idea, right, I mean, I just like the
idea that you and I and I feel like we
have a good handle on knowing sports. And then you'll
call a general manager and you'll ask him how they
(34:25):
see it, and they'll open your eyes to the Yeah,
it's actually this, this and this. But you know, like
your people's opinion of bo Nicks, like it could be
based upon some game he played at Auburn, you know,
like three years ago. Sure, that's my quarterback. You know,
Michael Pennix played totally different in Indiana than he played
or if you saw him this year, if you saw
him in the semi finals, you're like that guy's amazing.
If you saw him in the Oregon game, like, guy's amazing.
(34:48):
If you saw him in the games leading up to
the last, the Pectel Championship game like that, guys, thinks,
I don't get it. Even the championship game, he looked
he looked like a second day sort of prospect, right,
So I too thought it was a bit boring. Uh,
But I thought the Penix thing shuffled some things up
(35:09):
and changed a lot of the draft order. What were
you eating at the house? Did you order the victuals
or because you had family in town you went traditional food? Uh?
We just actually just got some wings from the bottom
of the hill. And uh what is your what is
your wing order? You did you? Did you do the
boneless because you're a boneless guy at heart?
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was all boneless. Yeah, my mom
doesn't want bone in wings.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Oh you put this off on your mom?
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Well no, I just I mean, I've gotten bone in
wings before, but I would totally. I am totally fine
with bone in, but I prefer boneless. What Janet she
likes wings? Though Janet is a hero of the show.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Wow, No, I'm serious.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
She had wings, like so like that said, like I said, like,
let's get some wings tonight.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
So that was the plan. Made an order.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Brody loves the barbecue, you know one, so he'll he'll
not on those.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
For a while. Yeah, just get Oliver's face.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Just oh yeah, complete complete go tea of barbecuejation.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Stewart, how is your NFL draft viewing? Spence? Always the cynic?
I'm sure you found some things to be cynical about.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, I think that that Nick Saban was outstanding. Like
I'm I think I'm most scrutinizing of analysts, and I've
found him to be spell bounding, spell bunding. I couldn't
keep my eyes off of him. I couldn't stop listening
to him. I think he was on the ABC portion
of the broadcast, and not only was he on point,
(36:42):
but he was funny. And he worked with these guys
that have been doing like they had the college game
day guys, so they've been working together for what ten
fifteen years, and you just seamlessly fit in there and
all of his analysis was like you're hanging on every word.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Nick Saban was amazing, and I think he lost a
little speed because he's old and he probably didn't think
he needed to pace himself for four hours.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
It was a long event, though.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
He got probably got tired by the end of the
night because it didn't wrap up till like at least nine.
It was like four and a half hours long. It
was really long. It was it was like three.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
And a half.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I think it was over by about eight four.
Speaker 7 (37:22):
Yeah, Yeah, but maybe Saban just got tired because it
was past his bedtime.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
But you know, here's also that case is you're focusing
a lot of your analysis on probably the top half
of the draft. And it's funny you say that, Jason,
because I just think that, like for Saban being great
is not a surprise, just like Belichick got rave reviews
for what he did during the McAfee broadcast, that should
(37:48):
not be a surprise. When these guys could sit there
and talk football, who better to listen to and hear them.
Maybe it's amazing to see how they work in a
television structure, but like their input. It's why I always
hated the all Belichick He's so boring and blah blah blah.
But maybe the same thing with Saban. But when they
(38:09):
actually talk about it and break it down it is
it is great to hear. It's one of the few,
like thirty for thirties that I have still saved. There's
a Parcels and Belichick one. There's that Saban Belichick documentary.
I don't know if it was thirty for thirty or
his HBO as one of those two that's saved on
my DVR, just because they're so good in talking football.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Speaking of Mike. Wait wait in the first round. I
don't know when Jacksonville chose, but they chose this kid
named Brian Thomas and his parents mostly TV. I love
the first answer of his mom.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Right here, Soandra, how far has this family come?
Speaker 3 (38:46):
We came from Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
When you think about the journey that you've been on together,
what does tonight mean to you? It means the world.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
It's amazing. I'm so grateful to God, so happy for him.
We are so proud of him.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I mean, she wasn't wrong. They did come from Baton Rouge.
That's a naked gun humor right there. That was That
was amazing. That was that was amazing. That said it
felt like a family feud? Answer it did? Or are
you even a dating game?
Speaker 2 (39:14):
What was that? What was that movie? Top Secret? When
when one of the characters was like, yeah, I know
a little Russian He's over there and it's a little person,
a little Russian person across them.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
The literal one. That's uh, the famous Marvin Barnes. You
guys know who Marvin Barnes was. Marvin Barnes was famously
one of the great eccentric players in the A B
A and uh am I forgetting what's famous broadcaster called
the NBA Finals on NBC. Uh mister baseball Costas ab
(39:47):
Costas he likes to tell the story. He was the
play by play man for the Saint Louis Spirit at
the time. Marvin Barnes played for it. And I think
they were flying from Indy to Saint Louis and they
were on two different time zones. And he looked at
his ticke it and one lets said, like leaving at
seven eight, arriving at seven six, you know, And he's like, man,
I ain't getting on no time machine any take things
(40:10):
literally that. That's an amazing answer. The great job.
Speaker 7 (40:13):
Who is the reporter that followed up knowing I'm not
going to embarrass the bond that does NFL Game Day
on the Sam Ponder.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
No, she's over two. What is her name?
Speaker 1 (40:29):
NFL Live. She's very good, she's a very good.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Great job in the then reformulating the question in not,
you know, completely embarrassing her.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
What did Sam say?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
I don't know what. He just got something going on,
but I wanted to say that. The follow up after
we just played was hey, uh folks, she turns to
the parents and says, I need a Duval, give me
a Duval. And the dad looks at her and says,
what's the and then she she went to a break.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Oops, you can't all about a thousand? Uh can I'm
gonna I know the duvalt What is it about?
Speaker 7 (41:08):
No idea, I just know it's a jaggular Duval County
is where they is, where Jacksonville is.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
So they go got it. Sorry, that was a bad one.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
They're just big fans of Apocalypse now that Robert de Valsant.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
It was a big night for Jason Stewart, who had
another tweet go viral with the Joe Alt pick topped
out over a million views.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
But it wasn't alt.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Right, No, it's I mean it's getting up to like
one point three now.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
What was it.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
It's one of those tweets where even my sub tweet,
my comments to other people are getting thousand likes. It's
just one of those moments in time where you hit
it at the right time and it just went went
everywhere and then al Kick picked it up. Anyways, so
Joe Alt is sitting there with all his family.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Oh yeah, with his girlfriend, and it's a.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Good twenty second delay and the broadcast figured it out
by the time I got to brock Bowers, But before
then they were dealing with this thing where they just
sat there and waited for the family to hear the news.
And Joe Alt's girlfriend is a peculiar looking person. She's attractive,
but she also looks like they superimposed a cartoon character
(42:20):
right next to her.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
And she gives that the description of most.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Curious look like a fascinating look.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
What about was it? Oulu fashionu?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
His mom that got a lot.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
She's kind of blocking out the girlfriend who's just trying
to touch at the thigh or the hands, just trying
to like, dude, you got on the couch, You're good.
Sometimes she got on the couch.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
I didn't quite understand the reaction to that, but it
was explained to me, and now I do understand. I
guess there was a draft pick a couple of years
ago that has his girlfriend, I don't know who it was,
falling all over him, but it's a dynamic of a
white woman in a black draft pick. That's that's the
joke on Twitter. I just didn't understand it.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Terry and Arnold, realizing that he was talking to Detroit
and they were all right behind him, and then he
turned around and yelled to Detroit, I'm home. There's a
lot of Detroit jokes that could have come out of
that one, right, A lot of them, A lot of
good ones.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Would you guys think of the very beginning bringing out
Eminem and all those lions to address the crowd and
Jesus is.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Always awkward when the commissioner is there. It's such a
soft like you're trying to cushion the blow that he's
going to get. And it's just like I feel, I
actually feel for all of the Lions and Eminem for
being put in that situation.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
They just said let's go. I mean, they took the
mug and said let's go. I'n imagine it.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Actually think that's the worst thing that Tom Brady has
brought to football. Are sports? Really let's go? And we
all find ourselves doing it sometimes, like something cool happens
to you just go, let's go. Why did I do that?
When J. C.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Latham lifted up Roger Goodell and Godel at back surgery
within the last month, and I told my mom and
my wife and then they replayed it like four or
five times, and every time you know.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
My mom was like, oh my gosh, like it hurts Stephen.
Watch was he cringing? No? But he was. It was
like this bear hog and what if he popped his back?
Does that feels so good? You're standing up there a
long time? Oh man, yeah, if he's back was fine?
Can you do next? You guys? Did you guys know
like I'm an amateur chiropractor? No? I did.
Speaker 7 (44:40):
It's not a good thing to be why because you
can really injure somebody.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Nah.
Speaker 7 (44:45):
Yeah, the way you can suffer a stroke. Actually, if
you pull the wrong thing.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
I don't pull the wrong thing. I don't mess with next.
I just do back doctor. But I can. I can
arrange you. I can align your pretty good at it too,
you know, pretty good at it. Yeah. The Joe Alds
girlfriend one was just yeah, it was the expert in
awkwardness and it's a delay. Just smile and wave right.
Speaker 7 (45:10):
She looked like a startled, like doctioned, like a Wiener dog.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
But this is this is where Jason deserves the credit,
is the everybody was looking at the same thing. He
took his camera and zoomed in on her look and
the editing of it is perfect. It's quick. It's a move.
She is wide eyed and not going on. You know,
she doesn't know what's going on. It's a really really
(45:34):
good job by Jason to put that together, to capture
the moment that so many of us saw but didn't
realize that we were looking at it.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
There's who's the Who's the SNL actress? Strange looking woman
but really funny and I forget anyway, Rachael Dratch, is
it the w Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
That was the most common response to my tweet that
she looked like that woman.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I love Rachel Dredge. Hilarious.
Speaker 7 (46:03):
The NFL put this number out. This is official. They
say two hundred and seventy five thousand people day one,
NFL drafted ten official NFL.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
That is spitballing. This is like how many people attended
at victory.
Speaker 7 (46:19):
P two hundred and seventy five. I mean, okay, I
understand there's a math to it, and twenty five thousand,
I mean it's a lot of there's Detroit. It was
beautiful weather, It was a really good showcase for the city.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
It was really good official from the guy paid to
eyeball and spit spitball Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
The Clippers. Probably the Clippers at tenants taker from the
nineties is probably that guy. Nebraska home football games, so
Nebrasco Poma games, they buy and sell ticket there's actuals
sold out for like forty five there's no tickets being
sold there. So again, like I get, you can do
the math of hey, all these basic number of people
or whatever. But yeah, but I will point out, like
(46:55):
what was the rating? Do we have the overnight ratings?
Yet I don't. I have not seen them. It is crazy,
you know, when we sit there and go like, wow,
most watched WNB and you think like wow, that's crazy.
Then you see the NFL's number, You're like, holy hell.
Speaker 4 (47:08):
Here's the tricky part about it, because of all of
the different broadcasts.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
I don't know on how much. I mean, I know
we'll get the ESPN number. We can, they'll do that.
The NFL will pull them together, they'll go the you know,
and there's a million different ways to watch. But even that,
you're right, even the broken up broadcast, the numbers will
be gargange. Yes, numbers, people gargage because there's still people
who they think sports they only turn to ESPN. They
(47:32):
don't turn to the NFL network, even though the NFL networks,
I feel like their products has been superior. So I
agree with you on I thought Belichick was awesome. I
thought Saban was awesome. I thought DJ was awesome. I'm
a McShay guy. I think he's fantastic. I like mel
It's kind of the same thing on repeat, you know,
(47:54):
it's it's been it's been a long time. The rest
of it I thought was fine. There was some you know,
I thought ESPN probably got the memo on let's not
do a death story, you know, not everybody suffered some
traumatic loss that led them to becoming an NFL star.
I think they sort of got the memo. There wasn't
(48:16):
the same sort of tone.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
There's two things Seahawks related that happened. Number One, there's
this running joke within the Seahawks fan boards of how
TV networks end up like going to commercial break right
before the Seahawks pick, so because it's like, okay, the
Seahawks around the clock, let's go to break, let's not
talk about this pick, and it's and by the way,
(48:41):
it happened again last night. And then when they did
take Byron Murphy, he was sweating like the pits were
were soaked. It was it was when you get you know,
thirty people jammed in the living room. You got to
turn the ac on in that scenario. Yeah, yeah, so
he was. He was and he was just wearing like
jeans and like a polo shirt.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
But it was. Yeah, they were sweating that one out.
I I love the family picks on the on the
on the couch. Those are couches, not sofas. By the way,
what's the difference. Have you ever seen six Degrees of separation?
It's a famous play, right and whatever? He talks about
(49:22):
learning how to say sofa instead of couch. A couch
is one where you can wear whatever. You can put
your feet up on a couch, you can the families
all welcome. You can eat on the couch. The sofa
that usually goes in the living room, not the family room, right,
got it? Sofa. It's like a they talk about a
bottle of beer, right or a beer So there's a difference.
(49:43):
Those are couches. Those are real people, you know. I
love that stuff and I love it two things.
Speaker 7 (49:49):
Yeah, loved seeing Sabin as a Kent State player in
the Black and White. Loved that because we forget sometimes
these guys, you know, they played back and like you
see Kirk Farns at Iowa was a Yukon Husky linebacker,
you know, and I'd love to see a picture of him.
And then, uh, I forgot my second point. I just
forgot it. But I did love seeing the saban the
pick there. Oh overall, just generally, did you guys feel
(50:12):
sorry it came back to me? Did you guys feel
just like the second half of the picks kind of
just dragged?
Speaker 1 (50:16):
I don't know, like.
Speaker 7 (50:17):
It always happens, I know, but I actually thought the
first ten twelve picks were really fun, entertaining. I did
not think it was boring. But then when we got
to the second half of the first round, it just
kind of like the energy just sort of disappeared. Nobody fell,
Nobody fell out of a sand fall. You gotta have
a fog. And let's be honest, offense cells. So when
you have fourteen straight picks of offense, I know, some
(50:38):
more linemen, but still fourteen picks of offense, nobody's getting
jacked up over you know, a defensive back or defensive
end being.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
You didn't so when so when your Seahawks took a
defensive tackle. You didn't go, let's go.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
I did like I did like to pick, but I
don't expect everybody to be along with me and being,
you know, enthralled with it. And then when you get
to the ladder the latter stages of the draft, it
just did you know that tends to happen. I actually
feel like there's more buzz about what could happen here
at the beginning of the second round than what happens
(51:12):
in the last ten picks of the first run invested.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
Yeah, Cooper Degen, Yeah, I mean, look, I still I
love that. There's a bunch of funny stuff to me, right,
that the Packers drafted an offensive tackle. I think a
good one too, But like that's the most Packer thing
ever Cowboys did. With the Cowboys like seem to only
pick guys that played locally like Oklahoma, Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Texas. Right,
that's like all day. I know their star linebackers from
(51:36):
Penn State, but you know, drafting Tyler Geiton, who's a
very good, very good tackle. How about Micah parsons reaction
to that one, Like, dude, you just drafted a starting
tackle and Micah Parsons acted like who like this was.
This guy wasn't even on my list. Not great, not great,
and of course Xavier Worthy. That's exactly what Pat Mahomes needs, right,
(51:58):
is somebody the fastest dude in draft. You just drafted
the fast dude. They throw it as far as you can.
Speaker 4 (52:02):
I thought of Bill Simmons when the trade was done
to get Shabbaz Napier to Miami, because that's who Lebron wanted,
and he was so mad that people were doing deals
with the Heat. I felt the same way, like Buffalo,
why are you doing a deal with Kansas City so
they can get the guy that they want just out
of principle?
Speaker 1 (52:20):
Out of principle too, I agree, or make them pay
twice what the normal going rate would be.
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