May 11, 2024 • 37 mins
This week on the podcast John reacted to Tom Brady's roast on Netflix and how it was surprisingly a massive success (4:10), how the NFL schedule release is a primetime event (18:08), Austin Rivers' comments about how NBA players could play in the NFL (20:28), and how Tiger Woods' clothing line will likely not have nearly the same draw as it did when he was with Nike (33:53). #Volume #Herd
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What is up, everybody, John Middlecoff, This is what we
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We've all been seeing the ads if you flip into
Netflix or social media Instagram, Twitter or wherever LinkedIn, wherever
your TikTok. My first reaction over the last couple of
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weeks leading in till Sunday night was this is gonna
be stupid, Like, honestly, I'm probably not gonna watch because
my expectations were low. I think it would probably be
pretty cringey. I was not expecting a NC seventeen version
of what I want in a roast, and I didn't
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start it when it started live. But I'm cooking some steaks,
made some nachos in the air fire highly recommend for
Sino de Mile, and I'm out by the barbecue getting
the meat ready, and I'm just kind of scrolling on
Twitter and I'm seeing all the clips from Edelman, from Belichick,
from Kevin Hart. I'm like, God, they're kind of letting
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it rip. So when I got into bed, give or
take about nine o'clock, I'm an old man, I know,
I turned that thing on. Now it's long, no spoilers
here because it just came out, and I know a
lot of people just this isn't nineteen ninety eight. We're
not all watching the same thing at time. But it's
three hours long, and I ended up going to bed
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probably like eleven forty five. I fast forward through a
couple things, like I knew AFLAC according to the Internet
wasn't that good. But I'm telling you, I was blown away.
I laughed out loud constantly, and like I said, my
expectations couldn't have been higher. Cause if you told me
something like this was gonna happen with somewhat of Brady's stature,
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I would expect it to kind of be closer to
PG than X rated. And I got news for you.
This thing is basically this is is not for kids.
So if you have an eight year old, a ten
year old, you know, when I was ten or twelve,
I would have found a way to watch it. But
I know a lot of people that a lot of swearing,
a lot of vulgar stuff, which is what I want
in one of these events. And here's where I give
(04:47):
Brady credit. Now we'll get into why he did it.
So ultimately you're doing it for money, but he's already
insanely wealthy. Can you imagine. Let's think of a couple
other athletes that are his fame, if not more famous, right,
Tiger Woods or Lebron James. There's no amount of money
you could pay those guys to do what Tom Brady
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just did. Zero It would not happen. Obviously, Tiger would
never even think about it because the roast would be
so incredible, but he would never do it. And for
Tom whose image? And I go on Gottlieb Show, he
does a radio show for Fox Sports. I go on
every Tuesday, and I think last week we talked about it,
(05:29):
like what's the point of this? And he had a
theory that Tom's trying to kind of change his image
because there was a huge negative image at the end
of his New England run. Right, he was kind of
a villain. A lot of people didn't like him. I
guess I never really felt that way. I guess if
you were a Jets fan or Dolphins fan, or a
Chiefs fan, or a football fan, you rooted against him,
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but I've never met anyone that's like Tom Brady's a scumback.
You literally never heard one teammate, not one teammate that
he's ever played with, say a bad word about the guy.
Not one. It's never I've never heard it. Obviously him
and Bill butted heads, but as a human being, like,
people love the guy. He's got this weird way of
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being this super famous, super rich, super accomplished guy but
kind of relating with practice squad guys, relating with random players,
let alone his star group of players. And when he
did this and they were just letting it fly from
the jump, talking a ton about Giselle and the karate
kid that she's now dating, I was blown away. It
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was excellent. It's one of the most shocked. Like sometimes
you turn on a show because if you read about
it and then it's really good, like this show. I
think it's called like reindeer Man or something. Pretty good Joe,
pretty entertaining. But I didn't have necessarily any expectations beside yeah,
it was kind of crazy this. My expectations couldn't have
been any lower because my expectations of these super famous
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guys they love to control the message and it can
be really creamy. It just couldn't get really weird, and
that wasn't this way at all. They came out of
the gates swinging. So props to Netflix, who obviously has business.
You know they have a dog in this fight, right,
all the comedians that were there, I'm sure they're all
intertwined doing specials on the platform, So this is good business.
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But to get him, no matter how much money you
were paying him, to give the thumbs up a lot
of credit because I think what we want what is
really And I listened to some of the Eddie Vedder
interview with Simmons Pearl jam lead singer, and I think,
and listen, I'm a sucker like the most I would
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say the genres of music. I'm a music guy like
I listened to everything, but I would say the things
I most consistently listened to would be like nineties music
in general, but specifically like grunge rock and country music.
I would say country on the pie charts pretty high,
but grunge music is right up there. And there was
a raw and realness to that group and that era
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of music, and I think it really resonated with a
lot of people, and I think, what's then we got
very corporate for a long period of time, and now
we're shifting back to the corporate lingo. BS. We tune out,
we don't watch you. I'm sure many people have seen
some of the stats of some of these legacy media
television newspapers. They're in the tank. We just don't really
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consume them anymore. And some of these unfiltered answer to nobody,
independent quote unquote content creators that could be Rogan, that
could be whoever crush I mean, dominate. I'm in the
golf world. I love golf. Do you know who dominates
in the golf world? Independent YouTube creators? They get more
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people to watch their stuff and they can do whatever
the hell they want. They shoot their own videos, put
it up then playing golf, and they get more people
to watch them PGA Tour tournaments. You know why, because
we like people that we think are being real. And
that's what that was last night. It was a lot
of stuff that was real, and they were letting him
fly and it got a little weird at times. Now,
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what's not real is you know what's weird about Tom
is clearly as fake hair. He's got some work done,
same with Aflac. Yet he still feels in a weird
way kind of relatable. For being a guy with hundreds
of millions of dollars married a supermodel for everyone forever
looks kind of fake. Now it's like, got it. Tom
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seems pretty cool, even in a weird way, like he's
obviously does some weird stuff with his health. How do
you blame him? Though it worked? He played till he
was forty five. You want a super Bowl at forty two,
forty three years old? But I can't recommend it enough.
And I would have thought a week ago if I
was one, I wouldn't have watched in two that I
would ever have given it like two thumbs up. No chance,
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couldn't have seen it. And I like raw. I like
things that make people uncomfortable, and that's what good comedy is.
You should be like damn. And there was a lot
of that, so excellent production. Now here's the question I have,
why would Tom do it? And one constant joke is
(10:12):
the crypto scam he lost. You know they say thirty million.
If they're saying thirty million, shit, it might have been
fifty million. If I had to take an educated guess. Now,
I don't exact. I've never done a Netflix special. How
much Netflix paid them, I don't know. If they do
it over how many people watch, how many people subscribe.
If it's a flat rate, my guess would be that
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number is way higher than you imagine. My guess would
be closer to fifty million than like ten million. I
would be stunned if over the course of a week,
I mean, tens of millions of people don't watch that show.
If you told me that over a month span, one
hundred million people watch, I'd believe you at least bits
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and pieces of it, Like that's what I would expect.
Tom Brady's trying to buy a piece of the Raiders.
He already did, and then the NFL said, no, you
can't buy it at that price. Why because the NFL
didn't want Mark Davis to sell him while it's a
tiny piece of the team, whatever percentage it ends up
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being one percent, two percent, five percent, at a discounted rate.
We're not into diluting our assets. So if you're franchise
is valued, let's just pick a number. You say, five billion.
Mark Davis could easily sell it for more than that.
Let's let's let's say five. Whatever the percent he is
buying that it's based off that number. You can't just say, hey,
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we'll give you a couple percent, give us thirty million dollars.
And the value of these teams, as we'll talk about
Steven Ross, is astronomical. Well, just because you're super rich
doesn't mean you're super liquid. So maybe Tom went, listen,
this is going to be uncomfortable. And I bet the
one thing that he had to think long and hard
of is they were gonna come adam hard for Giselle.
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And even if he can't stand her anymore, he does
have children and those kids are gonna watch that. And
that's where it gets weird. Like Tom, and I'm just
assuming does not give a shit what she thinks at
this point in time, but he does care deeply about
his children and what they're gonna think about, you know,
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talking about her who her mom's sleeping with. Even though
Tom probably doesn't even care. I mean, he's got a
lot of options, But I wonder if they made that
number that like, Okay, now I'm much more liquid to
be able to pull this off. Because the NFL pushed
back about that initial number. Whatever Mark Davis was cool
with taking and like that's not enough money, which I
totally understand from the NFL stand. We don't give away
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I don't care how famous or how cool the guy is, Like,
the number is a number here. We're in the business
of boosting these valuations. We all benefit from that. That's
my theory, is that this number that he got last night,
or we'll get over the course of the next couple months,
is huge, and instead of having to sell assets or
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whatever he has to do to liquidate himself, he can
just get a large piece of that from this. And
we've seen over the years, Netflix throws a lot of
money around, and they've gotten much more specific about what
they do now than they did seven eight years ago
when they just paid and probably wasted money. They had
a pretty good idea this was gonna work, and they
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clearly paid a premium for a lot of people. Kevin Hart,
Peyton Manning's there, Bill Belichick's there. It was excellent. I mean,
the heavy hitters were there. You got Harback, how Shanahan
in attendance, Kardashian. It felt like a big, big event,
and we just don't get those anymore. Now. It's different
because when I was a kid, the equivalent of this
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event never would have looked like this because it would
have been on ABC or CBS and you wouldn't have
been able to swear, which I like this world we
live in much more like this is how people talk,
especially in the football world. So let them and comedians,
let them talk how they're going to talk, and it
just goes on Netflix, which last time I checked, have
hundreds of millions of people that subscribe. I would say
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Netflix currently is infinitely larger than CBS, ABC, NBC. More
people on a nightly basis click to go to Netflix
when they're in their bed or in their living room.
Then they do those channels now, and obviously those channels
still function well with the older demographic, but when you
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factor in the entire population just domestically, is probably not
a fair fight, and that pie chart will only grow
and grow for Netflix. So my guess is they paid
one hundred million plus just to put this on pay
for everyone to come, and this will help Tom kind
of maybe get over the hump and officially become that
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Raiders minority owner, which Walls will put an end to
his ability to play anymore. Let's fly around the NFL.
The schedule release is they have it. They don't come
out with a specific date, but it's looking like either
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within the next fourteen days. Isn't it crazy how big
the schedule release is. You could argue that the schedule
release in the NFL and the buzz it creates and
the interest that people paying attention is bigger than any
regular season baseball or basketball game. All we already know
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who's playing who hew, we even know some of the
games Eagles, Packers, Brazil. We're just finding out when they
play them, when your bye week is, when your Thursday
week is, who's playing on Christmas? How many money that
games you get? But we know as of today, like
we've known for a while, every one of your opponents
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home and away. So it's not like you don't even
have the home schedule. You know exactly who you're playing.
They just tell you the order and on what network,
and even that is subject to change. Who's good, who sucks?
Flex schedules. I would say the schedule release, more than
any other thing in the NFL in the off season
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post Super Bowl, is the most symbolic moment of the
entire operation's importance. I've never heard of anyone talking about,
like the baseball schedule, my entire life in the off season,
the NBA schedule. Who discusses this stuff. This is not
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only a discussion point, Like it's a really really big deal. Now,
I get it. Football, every game is much more important.
Days you play, travel flying east coast to West coast
or West coast to East coast, or short weeks, or
you stay in one area because you gotta, you know,
you play out. If you're a West Coast team, you
play Tampa and then you're playing the Panthers the next week,
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so you're just gonna stay at you know, wherever. But
it's it's pretty wild the power of just this basic
one hour schedules get released, things get leaked. Yeah, it's
just kind of leaves me speechless sometimes when I think
about it. Austin Rivers, I would say, created a firestorm
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for former athletes, especially NFL guys that I felt like
were very, very offended when he said that easily thirty
guys in the NBA could play in the NFL tomorrow
and no one in the NFL could play in the NBA.
And I would say the best conversation or take I
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saw this was Chris Long posted some stuff. He was
hot and bothered, and I think he talked to the
root of why this conversation is so stupid. Now, I
don't think anyone just in the NBA could just start
playing in the NFL tomorrow, right I think athletically, clearly,
I was watching the Sixers with MAXI what an elite
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athlete or Jalen Brunson's body type. Obviously, athletically these guys
have the ability to be NFL athletes. Some of them
are the best athletes in the world. No one argues that.
But the culture of football and the culture of NBA
in twenty twenty four, the gap couldn't be any wider.
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The NBA I grew up on in the nineties. Young
people love to talk shit about it. It was much
more enjoyable. Why it had a football feel. Beside the
best of the best, most guys were not on scholarship.
There was an edge in a fight to the players
because the contracts weren't nearly what they are right now,
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and you could be replaced at a moment's notice, and
a lot like football because in the nineties, just the
rehab of injuries is nowhere near what it is now.
Major injuries would drail your career and you're never the
same and you were out of the league. But when
I look at the NFL and just football in general,
I'll never forget when I became a graduate assistant at
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Fresnel State, and this was before the new CBA in
twenty eleven, and college football basically followed suit and double
days don't exist. For about three straight weeks at Fresne
State under Pat Hill, whose career really took off when
he started working for Bill Belichick in Cleveland, because he
was the assistant offensive line coach under Kirk Farenz. He
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ran a very old school nineteen eighties nineteen nineties operation
for three straight weeks double days in Fresno, California, in
the summer in August. One, the air is awful, and
two it's about one hundred and eight to one hundred
and ten degrees, And I'll never forget, like the first
couple days in pads were inside run or nine on
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seven where you get seven defenders, the four defensive linemen
and the three linebackers against nine guys on offense, one
obviously being the quarterback, and whether you put in a
full back there or a tight end and the five
offensive linemen, and it is just either off tackle or
inside the garter center runs. It is a drill that
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separates the men from the boys. And I just remember
watching going no wonder most people in high school can't
make it to this level one. I mean the size
of these guys, even at Fresno State, in the Saint
Alabama or USC, but the physicality, the speed, and the violence,
and I was like Jesus. And then when I got
to the NFL my first year was before they changed
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the rules, we did double days what felt like at
Lehigh under Andy Reid for weeks doing similar stuff inside
run drills, I mean one on one gauntlet like tackling drills.
It was goal line drill in training camp that were
just felt like people were going to get KO'ed. And
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there is a physical level to football that just isn't
there in basketball, right, hockey, football, the UFC. It is
predicated on violence, on like legitimate violence one guy hitting
another guy at high rates of speed, or enormous human
beings tackling guys much smaller than them. Then there's the element.
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And I thought Chris Long put this very well. Whether
you go to high school football, college football or the NFL.
If you go to a practice, these coaches are all
over everyone's ass twenty four to seven three sixty five,
especially certain positions, the O line, D line, and just
defensive guys in general are getting their ass ripped all
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the time. Just because you go to an NFL practice
and guys are making millions of dollars, you would, and
I've been going to training camps for fifteen years, how
intense the coaching is in the NBA, the culture and
even starts in college. Now with some of these guys
cycling out, the coach ks and the Beheims all retiring,
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those days are done. Tom Izzo is the last of
a dying breed. So culturally the world we live in
right now, these guys aren't used to what is mandated
in the sport of You're getting yelled at no matter
what I mean. The dynasty of my life was most
notably known for Belichick could get on Tom no different
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than he could the practice squad guy, MF and them
all day. That doesn't happen. If that happened in the NBA,
the coach would be fired if he MF the wrong guy.
So culturally, the shock would be to a twenty eight
year old making twenty eight million dollars in the NBA
could never handle that. It would not be allowed. It
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just it wouldn't fly, So that would be an impossible transition.
And here's the other thing. In training camp, even now
there are no double days, but for a month straight,
every single day, most guys are getting into the breakfast
hall between seven and seven thirty and you're not going
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back to your room, I don't know, depending on the team,
till nine at ten at night. In basketball, you show
up for shooting around, you go home, you take a nap,
and you come play another game. Training camps barely even
exist anymore. They don't practice the two sports in terms
of the way they're built fundamentally, couldn't be any more
opposite now just pure athleticism. There is no debate that
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guys in the NBA could play in the NFL. But
have We've seen forever with the combine. Just because you're
a great athlete doesn't mean it translates to the sport.
Here's the other thing. When I was working in radio
in the Bay Area, I went to a lot of
NBA games. I think people are underestimate how enormous these
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individuals are the average like shooting Garden Wins in the
NBA is like six six and a half to six ' nine.
Trent Williams is one of the biggest guys in the NFL.
He's like six ' five. So the size component and
the huge part of football is all about leverage getting low.
In the NBA, it's all about playing above the rim.
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So the sports are just dramatically different in terms of
what is ass but the physicality element, and Barkley has
said this many times on television, went out for football
one day, started getting hit NonStop and he quit. So
to think that these guys that are in the NBA
that have never played football, obviously some of these guys
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that played high school football could have played college football
and could have been NFL players. But once you get
out of the culture of something, it's hard to get
back into it. So I think it would be impossible
for these guys to because I think most of them
would hate it and quit, like, wait, my money's not guaranteed.
You're screaming at me. Fuck this, I'm going back here
where I do whatever I want, whenever I want. When
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I say jump management and the coaches say, how high
in the NFL. It's opposite. When pat Riley went on
this long diet tribe the other day about Jimmy Butler,
basically like if he's not playing, he needs to shut up.
Everyone in the NBA was like, I can't believe, oh, Mike,
because no one would say that. That's like a typical
Monday after a game week three for seventeen NFL teams.
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So to me, the cultures are so much different. Let
alone what is asked of you physically, and then the
weekly grind like in the NBA, just get to play.
It's why anyone growing up playing basketball, whether you played
in college, high school, whatever, you can play pick up whatever,
you just show up. Who The NFL is not a
sport where you just show up and play football. You
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practice like ninety percent of the time. You spend countless
hours in meetings just watching film, learning taking notes. I'm
telling you, if they were two industries, one would be
like tech and one would be like, I don't know,
construction or something. They have nothing in common beside athletic.
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People played the two sports, And I just think it
was a stupid argument. If you think, yeah, could a
guy just show up and play a game. If he
put tyrese Maxie out at wide receiver and have him
run some go routes, sure could he play seventeen games?
What happens the first time he runs over the middle
and someone tackles them hard? And I'm not acting like
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the guy's not tough, But there's a level of toughness
and violence in football, college and pro that is has
no similarities to the sport of basketball in twenty twenty four. None,
absolutely none. So I think this conversation is just it's fun,
it's enjoyable. We all make jokes about it. But the
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world the NBA is living in is a completely different
universe that NFL players have to take on, and they're
used to it. You get dumb to it. It's like
anyone that works in any industry. You get used to
the quarks, the things you like, the things you don't like.
But you know, like, yeah, it's probably not changing, much
like the NFL is never going to get to a
point where oline coaches aren't yelling at at the offensive
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lineman saying mean shit to him non stop, kind of
let's it go off your back. The NBA used to
be like that. The NBA I grew up on coaches
used to coach the mart. Phil Jackson was all over
Michael Jordan's ass. That would never happen today. The moment
you look at me funny er, I think you're an idiot.
You're fired. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So
this conversation, while fun, is kind of dumb because one,
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if you're an NBA player, you'd much rather play, and
you know, if you could do both, what would you choose?
You would play in the NBA. The average salary seven
million dollars, the overwhelming majority of just decent players get
enormous second contracts, and the injury risk, which I've always
thought was crazy because how high these guys are jumping
is much lower and you have much more power. There's
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less of you because like the NFL, you split the
revenue with the owners, but there's only twelve fifteen guys
a team, So that's why these guys get paid more money.
Where the NFL you're splitting the revenue up between fifty
three times thirty two, and obviously there's two less teams
in the NBA. So this conversation to me, in any
NFL guy thinking they go and drop thirty points you know,
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I saw Micah Parsons. They're out of their mind as well,
because if you're six two, you're a midget in the
NFL or in the NBA, you're tiny. Tiny. Jalen Brunson small, right,
he's six foot six ' one size of the majority
guys at different positions in the NFL linebacker, corner, wide receiver,
running backs six to one or smaller. He's like, feels
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like one of the smallest guys in the NBA. And
I'm watching the OKC Thunder the other night. Every guy
they had out there was like six to six nine,
and then they had Chet Holmbern, who's like seven to one.
The size Draymond Green actually is an very undersized player.
He's like six five and a half six ' six.
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Klay Thompson is taller at six seven, So I think
we underestimate the size differences. And it's a fun combo,
but kind of stupid. Something happened last week after we
recorded the GOLO podcast. Tiger Woods Is, I mean in
his heyday is probably my favorite athlete because I was
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like older than when Michael Jordan was in his heyday,
so I could really experience it. And I'll never forget
my senior year in college, I was moving out and
all we had was a TV and watching him play
RockA on Sunday and then then watching on Monday by
myself in this house that was empty. He's he meant
a lot to my sports watching youth. You know, I consumed,
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like a lot of people in the two thousands, Eldrick
tiger Woods. I love golf. He's the best golfer I've
ever seen and probably ever will see. And there was
nothing like him in part of tiger Woods, and I
owned a ton of tiger Woods polos, Tiger Woods hats.
Even as I've gotten bald, I've bought some of those
Nike Tiger Woods hats because they cover my entire head.
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Anytime he plays, I watch, even though obviously he's very compromised. Now,
I just think this Sunday Red thing is going to
be a failure. And I think there are several elements
of this one. He wants it to be kind of
like a higher end luxury brand. So I wrote down
the prices. A ballmarker is fifty dollars, a T shirt
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is seventy, a hat's forty, which isn't crazy. A polo
is one twenty to one fifty, which i'd says a lot.
A sweater is two bills and the pants are about
a buck seventy. It's expensive stuff. Tiger Wood's in his
heyday sold a lot of shit. I've said forever that
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he revolutionized the business casual in America because forever people
wore weird stuff there weren't. The polos were huge, even
go back to some of the pictures when he first
started on tour, and then when they created that dry
fit material, all the other companies followed suit and everyone
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that worked, you know, a white collar job that did not,
or a hell farmers. I don't care what you did construction.
You know, if you were a construction management guy, if
you didn't wear a suit to work, you could throw
on a pair of jeans and a tucked in polo.
That fabric dry fit fit well, everyone was wearing it
all over the place. Changed the game. But he had
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two things going for him. One, he was easily, very
early on, became one of the most famous athletes in
the world because he was the best player at a
sport that is just difficult because you're playing one hundred
and fifty people, and he was beating the shit out
of all of them. He destroyed everybody. I mean, it
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was not a fair all right. And then combined with that,
he had the Nike marketing campaign machine behind him, so
Tiger didn't really have to sell. He just had to
dominate at golf, and he looked so sweet in the clothes,
and the Nike marketing machine was incredible with commercials. It
was the ultimate combination of sales. It's like everyone wanted
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something with Tiger Woods, even if he didn't play golf,
probably had a polo, probably had a hat. You probably
had something, and if you went into a store, you
knew exactly what that was. The tw the different colors,
the Sunday Red, and then he created this company, Sunday Red,
which listen, creating a brand from scratch is tough. It's
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not easy to pick a name. Anyone that's read Shoe
Dog Nike was kind of randomly picked. It wasn't even
supposed to be that name. So it's not some of
these things that are created that now have a lot
of brand equity. McDonald's was just the last name of
the brothers that started the burger chain that Ray Rock
ran into and basically stole the idea for him. So
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I'm not gonna hate on Sunday Red, even though, let's
face it, it's not that great. I would have just
gone with tw Here's the problem. Tiger Woods is not
a sales guy. I watched some of the clips of
him doing his PR campaign last week one it made
me shake my head. It's not necessarily his fault, but
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his PR team sent him on what they would have
done back in two thousand and five. Good Morning America.
Let's go on some morning show with Carson Daily, Let's
go on with Jimmy Fallon. Who are you marketing this
to Let's face it, you're marketing this to someone thirty
five to fifty five with a higher household income with
some coin. Those people are not watching any of those shows.
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My mom watches Good Morning America. A lot of older
people watch that show. But that's not who really Tiger
Woods is marketing. He should be marketing this to me.
A forty year old guy plays golf, has a little coin,
just would buy these clothes. Potentially. Here's another problem. He's
coming into a saturated market. Anyone that walks into a
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pro shop or a golf shop, there are a million
brands that all kind of resonate with us, Travis Matthews,
Johnny Oh, Peter Malar, and they're not cheap, but they
have brand equity that like. Yeah, I like the Travis
Matthew shirt. It fits pretty well on me. I know
a lot of people. I love Peter Mallar, I love
Johnny Oh, buddy of mine. Chris just got me a
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nice polo for taking him golf in a couple weeks ago.
Johnny Oh looks sweet. So Tiger is competing against those,
but those people are already pushing it hard selling it.
Tiger Wood is not a very good salesman. I would
have said, Tiger, don't do any of the crap. The
morning shows are the late night shows. Go on some
big podcasts or some big YouTube show. Go on, Pat McAfee,
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go on with Colin, go on, no laying up, or barstool,
go on, pardon my take, go on, go do something
more relevant to me. It just these guys don't know
how to sell. He never had to he never had
to sell. All he had to do was play and dominate,
and that sold itself, and Nike was behind him. Well,
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now he doesn't have Nike behind him anymore. And his
number one ability to sell was his play. Well, he
doesn't play anymore, plays like four times a year, and
God love him, he's just not very good anymore relative
to the dominant player that he once was. Like MG
hasn't dribbled the ball professionally in whatever twenty plus years.
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It doesn't matter. He has Nike behind him, having that backing.
They do this naturally. So I'm watching Sunday Red one.
The marketing doesn't really exist because that's not the business
he's in. And then Tiger is just to pound the
pavement like high Noon. Why is high Noon so big?
Now they got with Portanoy, and Portnoy starts selling the
shit out of it, and now it's fucking everywhere. You
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need someone to sell if you don't just have like
Lebron James or Kobe Bryant wearing your shoes because that
was always Tiger was He just Tiger was wearing it
so you wanted to wear it. Well, now I don't
care that he wears it, barely breaks seventy five, barely
can walk seventy two holes. I'm not trying to talk
shit about him. It's not necessarily I mean, it's kind
of his fault. Self inflicted car accident, but it changed
(36:24):
his career, so I'm just betting against his company. I
do not think it's gonna work because I'm the type
guy who can walk into a store and if I
see a polo I like. Regardless, I'm not gonna pay
five hundred dollars for a polo, But if I really
believed in the brand, wanted to support it, liked it,
I'll spend probably more than I should on a couple
of collared shirts. I would not buy these shirts one.
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I don't even think the logo looks that good. Why
would he not just continue somewhat of a similar logo.
I've seen a lot of people say the famous fist
pump like Michael's logo is very just you never forget it.
It's etched in stone in our brains, and I think
Tiger made a very very bad mistake. But I don't
even blame him. This is not his business. He does
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not understand because he's never really had to do it.
So I guess I'm just shorting this idea. I do
not think it's gonna work, and that pains me to
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We've all been seeing the ads if you flip into
Netflix or social media Instagram, Twitter or wherever LinkedIn, wherever
your TikTok. My first reaction over the last couple of
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weeks leading in till Sunday night was this is gonna
be stupid, Like, honestly, I'm probably not gonna watch because
my expectations were low. I think it would probably be
pretty cringey. I was not expecting a NC seventeen version
of what I want in a roast, and I didn't
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start it when it started live. But I'm cooking some steaks,
made some nachos in the air fire highly recommend for
Sino de Mile, and I'm out by the barbecue getting
the meat ready, and I'm just kind of scrolling on
Twitter and I'm seeing all the clips from Edelman, from Belichick,
from Kevin Hart. I'm like, God, they're kind of letting
(03:40):
it rip. So when I got into bed, give or
take about nine o'clock, I'm an old man, I know,
I turned that thing on. Now it's long, no spoilers
here because it just came out, and I know a
lot of people just this isn't nineteen ninety eight. We're
not all watching the same thing at time. But it's
three hours long, and I ended up going to bed
(04:00):
probably like eleven forty five. I fast forward through a
couple things, like I knew AFLAC according to the Internet
wasn't that good. But I'm telling you, I was blown away.
I laughed out loud constantly, and like I said, my
expectations couldn't have been higher. Cause if you told me
something like this was gonna happen with somewhat of Brady's stature,
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I would expect it to kind of be closer to
PG than X rated. And I got news for you.
This thing is basically this is is not for kids.
So if you have an eight year old, a ten
year old, you know, when I was ten or twelve,
I would have found a way to watch it. But
I know a lot of people that a lot of swearing,
a lot of vulgar stuff, which is what I want
in one of these events. And here's where I give
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Brady credit. Now we'll get into why he did it.
So ultimately you're doing it for money, but he's already
insanely wealthy. Can you imagine. Let's think of a couple
other athletes that are his fame, if not more famous, right,
Tiger Woods or Lebron James. There's no amount of money
you could pay those guys to do what Tom Brady
(05:07):
just did. Zero It would not happen. Obviously, Tiger would
never even think about it because the roast would be
so incredible, but he would never do it. And for
Tom whose image? And I go on Gottlieb Show, he
does a radio show for Fox Sports. I go on
every Tuesday, and I think last week we talked about it,
(05:29):
like what's the point of this? And he had a
theory that Tom's trying to kind of change his image
because there was a huge negative image at the end
of his New England run. Right, he was kind of
a villain. A lot of people didn't like him. I
guess I never really felt that way. I guess if
you were a Jets fan or Dolphins fan, or a
Chiefs fan, or a football fan, you rooted against him,
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but I've never met anyone that's like Tom Brady's a scumback.
You literally never heard one teammate, not one teammate that
he's ever played with, say a bad word about the guy.
Not one. It's never I've never heard it. Obviously him
and Bill butted heads, but as a human being, like,
people love the guy. He's got this weird way of
(06:12):
being this super famous, super rich, super accomplished guy but
kind of relating with practice squad guys, relating with random players,
let alone his star group of players. And when he
did this and they were just letting it fly from
the jump, talking a ton about Giselle and the karate
kid that she's now dating, I was blown away. It
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was excellent. It's one of the most shocked. Like sometimes
you turn on a show because if you read about
it and then it's really good, like this show. I
think it's called like reindeer Man or something. Pretty good Joe,
pretty entertaining. But I didn't have necessarily any expectations beside yeah,
it was kind of crazy this. My expectations couldn't have
been any lower because my expectations of these super famous
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guys they love to control the message and it can
be really creamy. It just couldn't get really weird, and
that wasn't this way at all. They came out of
the gates swinging. So props to Netflix, who obviously has business.
You know they have a dog in this fight, right,
all the comedians that were there, I'm sure they're all
intertwined doing specials on the platform, So this is good business.
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But to get him, no matter how much money you
were paying him, to give the thumbs up a lot
of credit because I think what we want what is
really And I listened to some of the Eddie Vedder
interview with Simmons Pearl jam lead singer, and I think,
and listen, I'm a sucker like the most I would
(07:42):
say the genres of music. I'm a music guy like
I listened to everything, but I would say the things
I most consistently listened to would be like nineties music
in general, but specifically like grunge rock and country music.
I would say country on the pie charts pretty high,
but grunge music is right up there. And there was
a raw and realness to that group and that era
(08:04):
of music, and I think it really resonated with a
lot of people, and I think, what's then we got
very corporate for a long period of time, and now
we're shifting back to the corporate lingo. BS. We tune out,
we don't watch you. I'm sure many people have seen
some of the stats of some of these legacy media
television newspapers. They're in the tank. We just don't really
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consume them anymore. And some of these unfiltered answer to nobody,
independent quote unquote content creators that could be Rogan, that
could be whoever crush I mean, dominate. I'm in the
golf world. I love golf. Do you know who dominates
in the golf world? Independent YouTube creators? They get more
(08:48):
people to watch their stuff and they can do whatever
the hell they want. They shoot their own videos, put
it up then playing golf, and they get more people
to watch them PGA Tour tournaments. You know why, because
we like people that we think are being real. And
that's what that was last night. It was a lot
of stuff that was real, and they were letting him
fly and it got a little weird at times. Now,
(09:09):
what's not real is you know what's weird about Tom
is clearly as fake hair. He's got some work done,
same with Aflac. Yet he still feels in a weird
way kind of relatable. For being a guy with hundreds
of millions of dollars married a supermodel for everyone forever
looks kind of fake. Now it's like, got it. Tom
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seems pretty cool, even in a weird way, like he's
obviously does some weird stuff with his health. How do
you blame him? Though it worked? He played till he
was forty five. You want a super Bowl at forty two,
forty three years old? But I can't recommend it enough.
And I would have thought a week ago if I
was one, I wouldn't have watched in two that I
would ever have given it like two thumbs up. No chance,
(09:52):
couldn't have seen it. And I like raw. I like
things that make people uncomfortable, and that's what good comedy is.
You should be like damn. And there was a lot
of that, so excellent production. Now here's the question I have,
why would Tom do it? And one constant joke is
(10:12):
the crypto scam he lost. You know they say thirty million.
If they're saying thirty million, shit, it might have been
fifty million. If I had to take an educated guess. Now,
I don't exact. I've never done a Netflix special. How
much Netflix paid them, I don't know. If they do
it over how many people watch, how many people subscribe.
If it's a flat rate, my guess would be that
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number is way higher than you imagine. My guess would
be closer to fifty million than like ten million. I
would be stunned if over the course of a week,
I mean, tens of millions of people don't watch that show.
If you told me that over a month span, one
hundred million people watch, I'd believe you at least bits
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and pieces of it, Like that's what I would expect.
Tom Brady's trying to buy a piece of the Raiders.
He already did, and then the NFL said, no, you
can't buy it at that price. Why because the NFL
didn't want Mark Davis to sell him while it's a
tiny piece of the team, whatever percentage it ends up
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being one percent, two percent, five percent, at a discounted rate.
We're not into diluting our assets. So if you're franchise
is valued, let's just pick a number. You say, five billion.
Mark Davis could easily sell it for more than that.
Let's let's let's say five. Whatever the percent he is
buying that it's based off that number. You can't just say, hey,
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we'll give you a couple percent, give us thirty million dollars.
And the value of these teams, as we'll talk about
Steven Ross, is astronomical. Well, just because you're super rich
doesn't mean you're super liquid. So maybe Tom went, listen,
this is going to be uncomfortable. And I bet the
one thing that he had to think long and hard
of is they were gonna come adam hard for Giselle.
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And even if he can't stand her anymore, he does
have children and those kids are gonna watch that. And
that's where it gets weird. Like Tom, and I'm just
assuming does not give a shit what she thinks at
this point in time, but he does care deeply about
his children and what they're gonna think about, you know,
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talking about her who her mom's sleeping with. Even though
Tom probably doesn't even care. I mean, he's got a
lot of options, But I wonder if they made that
number that like, Okay, now I'm much more liquid to
be able to pull this off. Because the NFL pushed
back about that initial number. Whatever Mark Davis was cool
with taking and like that's not enough money, which I
totally understand from the NFL stand. We don't give away
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I don't care how famous or how cool the guy is, Like,
the number is a number here. We're in the business
of boosting these valuations. We all benefit from that. That's
my theory, is that this number that he got last night,
or we'll get over the course of the next couple months,
is huge, and instead of having to sell assets or
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whatever he has to do to liquidate himself, he can
just get a large piece of that from this. And
we've seen over the years, Netflix throws a lot of
money around, and they've gotten much more specific about what
they do now than they did seven eight years ago
when they just paid and probably wasted money. They had
a pretty good idea this was gonna work, and they
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clearly paid a premium for a lot of people. Kevin Hart,
Peyton Manning's there, Bill Belichick's there. It was excellent. I mean,
the heavy hitters were there. You got Harback, how Shanahan
in attendance, Kardashian. It felt like a big, big event,
and we just don't get those anymore. Now. It's different
because when I was a kid, the equivalent of this
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event never would have looked like this because it would
have been on ABC or CBS and you wouldn't have
been able to swear, which I like this world we
live in much more like this is how people talk,
especially in the football world. So let them and comedians,
let them talk how they're going to talk, and it
just goes on Netflix, which last time I checked, have
hundreds of millions of people that subscribe. I would say
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Netflix currently is infinitely larger than CBS, ABC, NBC. More
people on a nightly basis click to go to Netflix
when they're in their bed or in their living room.
Then they do those channels now, and obviously those channels
still function well with the older demographic, but when you
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factor in the entire population just domestically, is probably not
a fair fight, and that pie chart will only grow
and grow for Netflix. So my guess is they paid
one hundred million plus just to put this on pay
for everyone to come, and this will help Tom kind
of maybe get over the hump and officially become that
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Raiders minority owner, which Walls will put an end to
his ability to play anymore. Let's fly around the NFL.
The schedule release is they have it. They don't come
out with a specific date, but it's looking like either
(15:17):
within the next fourteen days. Isn't it crazy how big
the schedule release is. You could argue that the schedule
release in the NFL and the buzz it creates and
the interest that people paying attention is bigger than any
regular season baseball or basketball game. All we already know
(15:40):
who's playing who hew, we even know some of the
games Eagles, Packers, Brazil. We're just finding out when they
play them, when your bye week is, when your Thursday
week is, who's playing on Christmas? How many money that
games you get? But we know as of today, like
we've known for a while, every one of your opponents
(16:02):
home and away. So it's not like you don't even
have the home schedule. You know exactly who you're playing.
They just tell you the order and on what network,
and even that is subject to change. Who's good, who sucks?
Flex schedules. I would say the schedule release, more than
any other thing in the NFL in the off season
(16:24):
post Super Bowl, is the most symbolic moment of the
entire operation's importance. I've never heard of anyone talking about,
like the baseball schedule, my entire life in the off season,
the NBA schedule. Who discusses this stuff. This is not
(16:45):
only a discussion point, Like it's a really really big deal. Now,
I get it. Football, every game is much more important.
Days you play, travel flying east coast to West coast
or West coast to East coast, or short weeks, or
you stay in one area because you gotta, you know,
you play out. If you're a West Coast team, you
play Tampa and then you're playing the Panthers the next week,
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so you're just gonna stay at you know, wherever. But
it's it's pretty wild the power of just this basic
one hour schedules get released, things get leaked. Yeah, it's
just kind of leaves me speechless sometimes when I think
about it. Austin Rivers, I would say, created a firestorm
(17:33):
for former athletes, especially NFL guys that I felt like
were very, very offended when he said that easily thirty
guys in the NBA could play in the NFL tomorrow
and no one in the NFL could play in the NBA.
And I would say the best conversation or take I
(17:53):
saw this was Chris Long posted some stuff. He was
hot and bothered, and I think he talked to the
root of why this conversation is so stupid. Now, I
don't think anyone just in the NBA could just start
playing in the NFL tomorrow, right I think athletically, clearly,
I was watching the Sixers with MAXI what an elite
(18:14):
athlete or Jalen Brunson's body type. Obviously, athletically these guys
have the ability to be NFL athletes. Some of them
are the best athletes in the world. No one argues that.
But the culture of football and the culture of NBA
in twenty twenty four, the gap couldn't be any wider.
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The NBA I grew up on in the nineties. Young
people love to talk shit about it. It was much
more enjoyable. Why it had a football feel. Beside the
best of the best, most guys were not on scholarship.
There was an edge in a fight to the players
because the contracts weren't nearly what they are right now,
(18:56):
and you could be replaced at a moment's notice, and
a lot like football because in the nineties, just the
rehab of injuries is nowhere near what it is now.
Major injuries would drail your career and you're never the
same and you were out of the league. But when
I look at the NFL and just football in general,
I'll never forget when I became a graduate assistant at
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Fresnel State, and this was before the new CBA in
twenty eleven, and college football basically followed suit and double
days don't exist. For about three straight weeks at Fresne
State under Pat Hill, whose career really took off when
he started working for Bill Belichick in Cleveland, because he
was the assistant offensive line coach under Kirk Farenz. He
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ran a very old school nineteen eighties nineteen nineties operation
for three straight weeks double days in Fresno, California, in
the summer in August. One, the air is awful, and
two it's about one hundred and eight to one hundred
and ten degrees, And I'll never forget, like the first
couple days in pads were inside run or nine on
(20:02):
seven where you get seven defenders, the four defensive linemen
and the three linebackers against nine guys on offense, one
obviously being the quarterback, and whether you put in a
full back there or a tight end and the five
offensive linemen, and it is just either off tackle or
inside the garter center runs. It is a drill that
(20:23):
separates the men from the boys. And I just remember
watching going no wonder most people in high school can't
make it to this level one. I mean the size
of these guys, even at Fresno State, in the Saint
Alabama or USC, but the physicality, the speed, and the violence,
and I was like Jesus. And then when I got
to the NFL my first year was before they changed
(20:43):
the rules, we did double days what felt like at
Lehigh under Andy Reid for weeks doing similar stuff inside
run drills, I mean one on one gauntlet like tackling drills.
It was goal line drill in training camp that were
just felt like people were going to get KO'ed. And
(21:06):
there is a physical level to football that just isn't
there in basketball, right, hockey, football, the UFC. It is
predicated on violence, on like legitimate violence one guy hitting
another guy at high rates of speed, or enormous human
beings tackling guys much smaller than them. Then there's the element.
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And I thought Chris Long put this very well. Whether
you go to high school football, college football or the NFL.
If you go to a practice, these coaches are all
over everyone's ass twenty four to seven three sixty five,
especially certain positions, the O line, D line, and just
defensive guys in general are getting their ass ripped all
(21:51):
the time. Just because you go to an NFL practice
and guys are making millions of dollars, you would, and
I've been going to training camps for fifteen years, how
intense the coaching is in the NBA, the culture and
even starts in college. Now with some of these guys
cycling out, the coach ks and the Beheims all retiring,
(22:11):
those days are done. Tom Izzo is the last of
a dying breed. So culturally the world we live in
right now, these guys aren't used to what is mandated
in the sport of You're getting yelled at no matter
what I mean. The dynasty of my life was most
notably known for Belichick could get on Tom no different
(22:31):
than he could the practice squad guy, MF and them
all day. That doesn't happen. If that happened in the NBA,
the coach would be fired if he MF the wrong guy.
So culturally, the shock would be to a twenty eight
year old making twenty eight million dollars in the NBA
could never handle that. It would not be allowed. It
(22:52):
just it wouldn't fly, So that would be an impossible transition.
And here's the other thing. In training camp, even now
there are no double days, but for a month straight,
every single day, most guys are getting into the breakfast
hall between seven and seven thirty and you're not going
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back to your room, I don't know, depending on the team,
till nine at ten at night. In basketball, you show
up for shooting around, you go home, you take a nap,
and you come play another game. Training camps barely even
exist anymore. They don't practice the two sports in terms
of the way they're built fundamentally, couldn't be any more
opposite now just pure athleticism. There is no debate that
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guys in the NBA could play in the NFL. But
have We've seen forever with the combine. Just because you're
a great athlete doesn't mean it translates to the sport.
Here's the other thing. When I was working in radio
in the Bay Area, I went to a lot of
NBA games. I think people are underestimate how enormous these
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individuals are the average like shooting Garden Wins in the
NBA is like six six and a half to six ' nine.
Trent Williams is one of the biggest guys in the NFL.
He's like six ' five. So the size component and
the huge part of football is all about leverage getting low.
In the NBA, it's all about playing above the rim.
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So the sports are just dramatically different in terms of
what is ass but the physicality element, and Barkley has
said this many times on television, went out for football
one day, started getting hit NonStop and he quit. So
to think that these guys that are in the NBA
that have never played football, obviously some of these guys
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that played high school football could have played college football
and could have been NFL players. But once you get
out of the culture of something, it's hard to get
back into it. So I think it would be impossible
for these guys to because I think most of them
would hate it and quit, like, wait, my money's not guaranteed.
You're screaming at me. Fuck this, I'm going back here
where I do whatever I want, whenever I want. When
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I say jump management and the coaches say, how high
in the NFL. It's opposite. When pat Riley went on
this long diet tribe the other day about Jimmy Butler,
basically like if he's not playing, he needs to shut up.
Everyone in the NBA was like, I can't believe, oh, Mike,
because no one would say that. That's like a typical
Monday after a game week three for seventeen NFL teams.
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So to me, the cultures are so much different. Let
alone what is asked of you physically, and then the
weekly grind like in the NBA, just get to play.
It's why anyone growing up playing basketball, whether you played
in college, high school, whatever, you can play pick up whatever,
you just show up. Who The NFL is not a
sport where you just show up and play football. You
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practice like ninety percent of the time. You spend countless
hours in meetings just watching film, learning taking notes. I'm
telling you, if they were two industries, one would be
like tech and one would be like, I don't know,
construction or something. They have nothing in common beside athletic.
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People played the two sports, And I just think it
was a stupid argument. If you think, yeah, could a
guy just show up and play a game. If he
put tyrese Maxie out at wide receiver and have him
run some go routes, sure could he play seventeen games?
What happens the first time he runs over the middle
and someone tackles them hard? And I'm not acting like
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the guy's not tough, But there's a level of toughness
and violence in football, college and pro that is has
no similarities to the sport of basketball in twenty twenty four. None,
absolutely none. So I think this conversation is just it's fun,
it's enjoyable. We all make jokes about it. But the
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world the NBA is living in is a completely different
universe that NFL players have to take on, and they're
used to it. You get dumb to it. It's like
anyone that works in any industry. You get used to
the quarks, the things you like, the things you don't like.
But you know, like, yeah, it's probably not changing, much
like the NFL is never going to get to a
point where oline coaches aren't yelling at at the offensive
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lineman saying mean shit to him non stop, kind of
let's it go off your back. The NBA used to
be like that. The NBA I grew up on coaches
used to coach the mart. Phil Jackson was all over
Michael Jordan's ass. That would never happen today. The moment
you look at me funny er, I think you're an idiot.
You're fired. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So
this conversation, while fun, is kind of dumb because one,
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if you're an NBA player, you'd much rather play, and
you know, if you could do both, what would you choose?
You would play in the NBA. The average salary seven
million dollars, the overwhelming majority of just decent players get
enormous second contracts, and the injury risk, which I've always
thought was crazy because how high these guys are jumping
is much lower and you have much more power. There's
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less of you because like the NFL, you split the
revenue with the owners, but there's only twelve fifteen guys
a team, So that's why these guys get paid more money.
Where the NFL you're splitting the revenue up between fifty
three times thirty two, and obviously there's two less teams
in the NBA. So this conversation to me, in any
NFL guy thinking they go and drop thirty points you know,
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I saw Micah Parsons. They're out of their mind as well,
because if you're six two, you're a midget in the
NFL or in the NBA, you're tiny. Tiny. Jalen Brunson small, right,
he's six foot six ' one size of the majority
guys at different positions in the NFL linebacker, corner, wide receiver,
running backs six to one or smaller. He's like, feels
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like one of the smallest guys in the NBA. And
I'm watching the OKC Thunder the other night. Every guy
they had out there was like six to six nine,
and then they had Chet Holmbern, who's like seven to one.
The size Draymond Green actually is an very undersized player.
He's like six five and a half six ' six.
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Klay Thompson is taller at six seven, So I think
we underestimate the size differences. And it's a fun combo,
but kind of stupid. Something happened last week after we
recorded the GOLO podcast. Tiger Woods Is, I mean in
his heyday is probably my favorite athlete because I was
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like older than when Michael Jordan was in his heyday,
so I could really experience it. And I'll never forget
my senior year in college, I was moving out and
all we had was a TV and watching him play
RockA on Sunday and then then watching on Monday by
myself in this house that was empty. He's he meant
a lot to my sports watching youth. You know, I consumed,
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like a lot of people in the two thousands, Eldrick
tiger Woods. I love golf. He's the best golfer I've
ever seen and probably ever will see. And there was
nothing like him in part of tiger Woods, and I
owned a ton of tiger Woods polos, Tiger Woods hats.
Even as I've gotten bald, I've bought some of those
Nike Tiger Woods hats because they cover my entire head.
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Anytime he plays, I watch, even though obviously he's very compromised. Now,
I just think this Sunday Red thing is going to
be a failure. And I think there are several elements
of this one. He wants it to be kind of
like a higher end luxury brand. So I wrote down
the prices. A ballmarker is fifty dollars, a T shirt
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is seventy, a hat's forty, which isn't crazy. A polo
is one twenty to one fifty, which i'd says a lot.
A sweater is two bills and the pants are about
a buck seventy. It's expensive stuff. Tiger Wood's in his
heyday sold a lot of shit. I've said forever that
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he revolutionized the business casual in America because forever people
wore weird stuff there weren't. The polos were huge, even
go back to some of the pictures when he first
started on tour, and then when they created that dry
fit material, all the other companies followed suit and everyone
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that worked, you know, a white collar job that did not,
or a hell farmers. I don't care what you did construction.
You know, if you were a construction management guy, if
you didn't wear a suit to work, you could throw
on a pair of jeans and a tucked in polo.
That fabric dry fit fit well, everyone was wearing it
all over the place. Changed the game. But he had
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two things going for him. One, he was easily, very
early on, became one of the most famous athletes in
the world because he was the best player at a
sport that is just difficult because you're playing one hundred
and fifty people, and he was beating the shit out
of all of them. He destroyed everybody. I mean, it
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was not a fair all right. And then combined with that,
he had the Nike marketing campaign machine behind him, so
Tiger didn't really have to sell. He just had to
dominate at golf, and he looked so sweet in the clothes,
and the Nike marketing machine was incredible with commercials. It
was the ultimate combination of sales. It's like everyone wanted
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something with Tiger Woods, even if he didn't play golf,
probably had a polo, probably had a hat. You probably
had something, and if you went into a store, you
knew exactly what that was. The tw the different colors,
the Sunday Red, and then he created this company, Sunday Red,
which listen, creating a brand from scratch is tough. It's
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not easy to pick a name. Anyone that's read Shoe
Dog Nike was kind of randomly picked. It wasn't even
supposed to be that name. So it's not some of
these things that are created that now have a lot
of brand equity. McDonald's was just the last name of
the brothers that started the burger chain that Ray Rock
ran into and basically stole the idea for him. So
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I'm not gonna hate on Sunday Red, even though, let's
face it, it's not that great. I would have just
gone with tw Here's the problem. Tiger Woods is not
a sales guy. I watched some of the clips of
him doing his PR campaign last week one it made
me shake my head. It's not necessarily his fault, but
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his PR team sent him on what they would have
done back in two thousand and five. Good Morning America.
Let's go on some morning show with Carson Daily, Let's
go on with Jimmy Fallon. Who are you marketing this
to Let's face it, you're marketing this to someone thirty
five to fifty five with a higher household income with
some coin. Those people are not watching any of those shows.
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My mom watches Good Morning America. A lot of older
people watch that show. But that's not who really Tiger
Woods is marketing. He should be marketing this to me.
A forty year old guy plays golf, has a little coin,
just would buy these clothes. Potentially. Here's another problem. He's
coming into a saturated market. Anyone that walks into a
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pro shop or a golf shop, there are a million
brands that all kind of resonate with us, Travis Matthews,
Johnny Oh, Peter Malar, and they're not cheap, but they
have brand equity that like. Yeah, I like the Travis
Matthew shirt. It fits pretty well on me. I know
a lot of people. I love Peter Mallar, I love
Johnny Oh, buddy of mine. Chris just got me a
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nice polo for taking him golf in a couple weeks ago.
Johnny Oh looks sweet. So Tiger is competing against those,
but those people are already pushing it hard selling it.
Tiger Wood is not a very good salesman. I would
have said, Tiger, don't do any of the crap. The
morning shows are the late night shows. Go on some
big podcasts or some big YouTube show. Go on, Pat McAfee,
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go on with Colin, go on, no laying up, or barstool,
go on, pardon my take, go on, go do something
more relevant to me. It just these guys don't know
how to sell. He never had to he never had
to sell. All he had to do was play and dominate,
and that sold itself, and Nike was behind him. Well,
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now he doesn't have Nike behind him anymore. And his
number one ability to sell was his play. Well, he
doesn't play anymore, plays like four times a year, and
God love him, he's just not very good anymore relative
to the dominant player that he once was. Like MG
hasn't dribbled the ball professionally in whatever twenty plus years.
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It doesn't matter. He has Nike behind him, having that backing.
They do this naturally. So I'm watching Sunday Red one.
The marketing doesn't really exist because that's not the business
he's in. And then Tiger is just to pound the
pavement like high Noon. Why is high Noon so big?
Now they got with Portanoy, and Portnoy starts selling the
shit out of it, and now it's fucking everywhere. You
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need someone to sell if you don't just have like
Lebron James or Kobe Bryant wearing your shoes because that
was always Tiger was He just Tiger was wearing it
so you wanted to wear it. Well, now I don't
care that he wears it, barely breaks seventy five, barely
can walk seventy two holes. I'm not trying to talk
shit about him. It's not necessarily I mean, it's kind
of his fault. Self inflicted car accident, but it changed
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his career, so I'm just betting against his company. I
do not think it's gonna work because I'm the type
guy who can walk into a store and if I
see a polo I like. Regardless, I'm not gonna pay
five hundred dollars for a polo, But if I really
believed in the brand, wanted to support it, liked it,
I'll spend probably more than I should on a couple
of collared shirts. I would not buy these shirts one.
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I don't even think the logo looks that good. Why
would he not just continue somewhat of a similar logo.
I've seen a lot of people say the famous fist
pump like Michael's logo is very just you never forget it.
It's etched in stone in our brains, and I think
Tiger made a very very bad mistake. But I don't
even blame him. This is not his business. He does
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not understand because he's never really had to do it.
So I guess I'm just shorting this idea. I do
not think it's gonna work, and that pains me to
say that the volume
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