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How are we doing well? You know, I got to
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could each play in the other sport and mainly could
NBA guys play in the NFL. Have a couple thoughts
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for former athletes, especially NFL guys that I felt like
were very, very offended when he said that easily thirty
guys in the NBA could play in the NFL tomorrow

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and no one in the NFL could play in the NBA.
And I would say the best conversation or take I
saw of this was Chris Long posted some stuff. He
was hot and bothered, and I think he talked to
the root of why this conversation is so stupid. Now.
I don't think anyone just in the NBA could just

(04:22):
start playing in the NFL tomorrow, right, I think athletically clearly,
I was watching the Sixers with Maxie, what an elite
athlete or Jalen Brunson's body type. Obviously, athletically, these guys
have the ability to be NFL athletes. Some of them
are the best athletes in the world. No one argues that.

(04:44):
But the culture of football and the culture of NBA
in twenty twenty four, the gap couldn't be any wider.
The NBA I grew up on in the nineties. Young
people loved to talk shit about it. It was much
more enjoyable. Why it had a foot ball feel Beside
the best of the best, most guys were not on scholarship.

(05:05):
There was an edge in a fight to the players
because the contracts weren't nearly what they are right now,
and you could be replaced at a moment's notice, and
a lot like football because in the nineties, just the
rehab of injuries is nowhere near what it is now.
Major injuries would drail your career and you're never the
same and you were out of the league. But when

(05:27):
I look at the NFL and just football in general,
I'll never forget. When I became a graduate assistant at
Fresne State, and this was before the new CBA in
twenty eleven, and college football basically followed suit and double
days don't exist. For about three straight weeks at Fresne
State under Pat Hill, whose career really took off when

(05:48):
he started working for Bill Belichick in Cleveland because he
was the assistant offensive line coach under Kirk Farenz. He
ran a very old school nineteen eighties nineteen nineties operation
for three straight weeks double days in Fresno, California in
the summer in August. One, the air is awful, and

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two it's about one hundred and eight to one hundred
and ten degrees. And I'll never forget. Like the first
couple days in pads, we ran inside run or nine
on seven where you get seven defenders, the four defensive
linemen and the three linebackers against nine guys on offense,
one obviously being the quarterback and whether you put in

(06:30):
a full back there or a tight end, and the
five offensive linemen and it is just either off tackle
or inside the guarter center runs. It is a drill
that separates the men from the boys. And I just
remember watching going no wonder most people in high school
can't make it to this level. One. I mean, the
size of these guys, even at Fresno State in the Stinate,

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Alabama or USC, but the physicality, the speed, and the violence,
and I was like Jesus. And then when I got
to the NFL. My first year was before they changed
the rules, we did double days what felt like at
Lehigh under Andy Reid for weeks doing similar stuff inside
run drills, I mean one on one gauntlet like tackling drills.

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It was goal line drills in training camp that were
just felt like people were going to get KO'ed. And
there is a physical level to football that just isn't
there in basketball, right, hockey, football, the UFC. It is
predicated on violence, on like legitimate violence, one guy hitting

(07:36):
another guy at high rates of speed, or enormous human
beings tackling guys much smaller than them. Then there's the element.
And I thought Chris Long put this very well. Whether
you go to high school football, college football, or the NFL,
if you go to a practice, these coaches are all
over everyone's ass twenty four to seven three sixty five.

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A certain positions, the O line, D line, and just
defensive guys in general are getting their ass ripped all
the time. Just because you go to an NFL practice
and guys are making millions of dollars you would. And
I've been going to training camps for fifteen years. How
intense the coaching is in the NBA, the culture and

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even starts in college. Now with some of these guys
cycling out, the coach ks and the Beheims all retiring,
those days are done. Tom Izzo is the last of
a dying breed. So culturally the world we live in
right now, these guys aren't used to what is mandated
in the sport of You're getting yelled at no matter
what I mean. The dynasty of my life was most

(08:44):
notably known for Belichick could get on Tom no different
than he could the practice squad guy, MF and them
all day. That doesn't happen. If that happened in the NBA,
the coach would be fired if he mf the wrong guy.
So culturally the shock would be too. A twenty eight
year old making twenty eight million dollars in the NBA
could never handle that. It would not be allowed. It

(09:08):
just it wouldn't fly, So that would be an impossible transition.
And here's the other thing. In training camp even now
there are no double days, but for a month straight,
every single day, most guys are getting into the breakfast
hall between seven and seven thirty, and you're not going

(09:28):
back to your room, I don't know, depending on the
team till nine at ten at night. In basketball, you
show up for shoot around, you go home, you take
a nap, and you come play another game. Training camps
barely even exist anymore. They don't practice the two sports
in terms of the way they're built fundamentally, couldn't be
any more opposite now just pure athleticism. There is no

(09:51):
debate that guys in the NBA could play in the NFL.
But have We've seen forever with the combine. Just because
you're a great athlete, does it mean it translates to
the sport. Here's the other thing. When I was working
in radio in the Bay Area, I went to a
lot of NBA games. I think people are underestimate how

(10:12):
enormous these individuals are. The average, like shooting garden wing
in the NBA is like six six and a half
to six ' nine. Trent Williams is one of the
biggest guys in the NFL. He's like six ' five.
So the size component and the huge part of football
is all about leverage. Getting low In the NBA it's

(10:32):
all about playing above the rim. So the sports are
just dramatically different in terms of what is ass but
the physicality element. And Barkley has said this many times
on television. Went out for football one day, started getting
hit NonStop, and he quipped, So to think that these
guys that are in the NBA that have never played football.

(10:56):
Obviously some of these guys that played high school football
could have played college football and have been NFL players.
But once you get out of the culture of something,
it's hard to get back into it. So I think
it would be impossible for these guys to because I
think most of them would hate it and quit. Like, wait,
my money's not guaranteed. You're screaming at me. Fuck this.

(11:16):
I'm going back here where I do whatever I want,
whenever I want. When I say jump management and the
coaches say how high. In the NFL, it's opposite. When
pat Riley went on this long diet tribe the other
day about Jimmy Butler, basically like if he's not playing,
he needs to shut up, everyone in the NBA was like,
I can't believe, oh, Mike, because no one would say that.

(11:39):
That's like a typical Monday after a game week three
for seventeen NFL teams. So to me, the cultures are
so much different. Let alone what is asked of you
physically and then the weekly grind like in the NBA.
Just get to play. It's why anyone growing up playing basketball,
whether you played in college, high school, what you can play,

(12:00):
pick up whatever, You just show up who The NFL
is not a sport where you just show up and
play football. You practice like ninety percent of the time.
You spend countless hours in meetings just watching film, learning,
taking notes. I'm telling you, if they were two industries,
one would be like tech and one would be like,

(12:23):
I don't know, construction or something. They have nothing in
common beside athletic people play the two sports. And I
just think it was a stupid argument. If you think, yeah,
could a guy just show up and play a game?
If you put Tyrese Maxie out at wide receiver and
have him run some go routes, sure could he play
seventeen games? What happens the first time he runs over

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the middle and someone tackles them hard. And I'm not
acting like the guy's not tough, but there's a level
of toughness and violence in football, college and pro that
is has no similarity to the sport of basketball in
twenty twenty four. None, absolutely none. So I think this
conversation is just it's fun, it's enjoyable, we all make

(13:12):
jokes about it. But the world the NBA is living
in is a completely different universe that NFL players have
to take on, and they're used to it. You get
dumb to it. It's like anyone that works in any industry.
You get used to the quirks, the things you like,
the things you don't like, but you know, like, yeah,
it's probably not changing, much like the NFL is never
going to get to a point where oline coaches aren't

(13:34):
yelling at the offensive lineman saying mean shit to him
non stop, kind of let's it go off your back.
The NBA used to be like that. The NBA I
grew up on. Coaches used to coach them. Mark phil
Jackson was all over Michael Jordan's ass. That would never
happen today. The moment you look at me funny er,
I think you're an idiot. You're fired. That's not an opinion,
that's a fact. So this conversation, while fun, is kind

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of dumb. Because one, if you're an NBA player, you'd
much rather play, and you know, if you could do both,
what would you choose? You would play in the NBA.
The average salary seven million dollars, the overwhelming majority of
just decent players get enormous second contracts, and the injury risk,
which I've always thought was crazy because how high these
guys are jumping is much lower and you have much

(14:21):
more power. There's less of you because like the NFL,
you split the revenue with the owners, but there's only
twelve fifteen guys a team. So that's why these guys
get paid more money. Where the NFL you're splitting the
revenue up between fifty three times thirty two, and obviously
there's two less teams in the NBA. So this conversation
to me and any NFL guy thinking they go and

(14:42):
drop thirty points. You know, I saw Micah Parsons. They're
out of their mind as well. Because if you're six
to two, you're a midget in the NFL or in
the NBA, you're tiny. Tiny. Jalen Brunson small right, he's
six foot six ', one size of the majority guys
at different positions in the NFL linebacker, corner, wide receiver,

(15:04):
running backs six to one or smaller. He's like, feels
like one of the smallest guys in the NBA. I'm
watching the OKC Thunder the other night. Every guy they
had out there was like six six to six ' nine,
and then they had Chet Holmbern, who's like seven to one.
The size Draymond Green actually is an very undersized player.

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He's like six ' five and a half sixty six.
Klay Thompson is taller at six to seven, So I
think we underestimate the size differences. And it's a fun combo,
but kind of stupid. Now, one guy who is just
a remarkable athlete. At one point in time, I think
he was one of the best high school football players
in Georgia, and he's always said it was his first love.
And it's why I like him, because he plays like

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a throwback, and that's Anthony Edwards. If you've watched any
of the Timberwolves in these playoffs, he jumps off the
screen like Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant. He is a
remarkable talent slash player and clear his how much he
cares to me resonates why I watch them play because
I don't care about the Timberwolves, but I enjoy young

(16:09):
players who have a chance to be all time greats.
Who's give a shit factor is really really high, and
I find him a fascinating watch. I mean he is,
he jumps off the TV screen. And when you look
at the NFL, they have an established group of kind
of like the guys twenty seven to thirty years old

(16:30):
right now, who are star players mahomes Lamar, Josh Allen,
Joe Burrow. I mean, these guys, if they stay healthy
another seven eight years, can carry the league in league's
in good shape, but you would like a couple other
young players to kind of join that mix. So when
I look at who in the NFL has a chance
to be the next Anthony Edwards, I think the group's

(16:50):
pretty clear. Obviously, the number one guy you would pick
if a first or second year player would be CJ. Stroud,
historic season blue chip guy Ohio State number two pick
in the draft, comes the league, kicks ass and takes name.
Now of this group, I'm about to list, he's probably
the worst athlete, even though we've learned he's a much
better athlete than we once thought. But his game is

(17:12):
really more. He plays much more like an old school
pocket quarterback than he does Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson,
which is fine. I mean some of the best players
in the history of the league played just like that.
You don't need to run around to be a great player.
But that's how he's gonna play. So when you watch him,
the purity of his game is kind of old school,

(17:32):
which I enjoy. And if he just keeps doing what
he did last year, he's gonna be viewed as a
guy that's basically a top five quarterback, and the Houston
Texans are gonna be a problem for a long time coming.
These other two guys are just great unknowns because if
you just to me, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to
be a hater. I'm kind of right enough Bryce Young,

(17:54):
and I was someone who liked Bryce Young a lot.
I would have taken Bryce Young over CJ. Stroud. I
get new him from my opinion. Changes Like I thought
one thing, you see another thing, like I'm out, I'm
betting against that organization. I'm betting against a guy five
nine a buck eighty. I'm just out into it. I
watched CJ. Stroud. He's big, he's got a big arm,
He's on a good team, like he's gonna be successful.

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I'm just betting against. Some things are out of Bryce's control.
And when you just see that size of a human
playing in this sport, I give you no chance. I'm
sorry I was wrong. But Anthony Richardson is the opposite.
He is why despite his I would say questionable is
the wrong way to put it. Just limited information coming

(18:37):
out of Florida, people were still enamored with him, and
as they got to know the guy. I saw a
headline today from Quentin Nelson, who loves him. He's like,
he's everything you want in a quarterback. His work ethic,
how hard he rehab, what he's like in the building,
how hard he's studying. When I hear things like that,
I'm like, I'm in because, as we've learned, that's the position.

(18:57):
If you have the physical characteristics and you're all in
on that, you got a chance. It doesn't mean you're
gonna be a great player, but you got a chance.
And I've said this before. I said it to Colin
probably a month ago, that the NFL network is clearly
just canceling everything. They just show replays, and so the
gym I go to has an NFL network on one

(19:18):
of the TVs. It's just constant games. Like yesterday I
looked up it's the Bucks Eagles game, which I don't
even blame. If I ran the NFL network, I would
do the same thing. Why are we paying for all
this stuff nobody's watching? Just replay the games we get
the same rating anyway. Who gives a shit. The cable
bundle's done, This network's probably done. Is NFL network even
gonna be around in five years? I think that's a
fifty to fifty proposition. But I was watching this Rams

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Colts game and You're just like, Holy moly, this guy
physically is a different animal. Now here's the thing. CJ.
Stratus proven for three straight years two at Ohio State
and won in the NFL. When a game is being
played and he's the quarterback, you expect him to be
on the field until he proves us that he gets injured. Like,

(20:03):
I'm not betting against him missing games. He's proven to
be a very, very durable player. Anthony Originson is not,
so they are a major question marks Canny stay on
the field, But there is no debating this guy's physical
ability and this guy's feels physical, you know, characteristics and
upside even relative to CG. I'm not saying he's gonna
be a better player than CJ, but he is more

(20:25):
physically gifted. So if he ever does get it right,
and I'm telling you, if you just YouTube him against
the Rams, there were moments where you're like, God, he
can get it right. Here's why, Like you're like little cooff,
you hate Bryce Young, but you like this guy. Well, yeah,
let's look at the Colts. One. I think their roster
can go head to head with the Texans. Two, I
think they have one of the more dynamic young coaches

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in the NFL. So it's like, wait, he's got a
great young coach who's also the play caller, and he's
got a really good roster. Like that's kind of what
I bet on. So to me, he's got a chance
because CJ's already kind of in the mix that all
of a sudden, we're talking like Anthony Richardson, like geez,
Colt's really got something. And then obviously, last, but not least,
would be Caleb Williams because the hype'es there, the weapons

(21:08):
on offense are there, the physical skills are there. The
name recognition is there. Like he's much more famous than
Anthony Richardson. You'd say, in a weird way, he's every
bit as famous as CG. Stroud, So he already has
the built in like Anthony richards or Anthony Edwards because
of the diminishment of college basketball and the importance of

(21:31):
the NBA Draft. I mean this, you're the NBA Draft.
Unless you're just a nerd, you're not gonna know one
name beside a couple guys that you watch from March
Madness in the NFL. We know all these guys, and
Anthony Edwards didn't play at Duke or Kentucky, went to
Georgia and the team wasn't any good. So to me,
Caleb comes in with all the hype. I've watched basically
every game he's played the last two years. At least

(21:52):
bits and pieces of it might have turned off, like
the notre Name game in the second half this year,
but very very awesome, man. He He's got a boatload
of talent and the weapons are all there. I mean
they drafted Roma Dunze in the top ten to go
with Keenan Allen and DJ Moore. He signed Swift. You
got comet, you got some good offensive linemen. It's all

(22:14):
gonna come down to the coordinator in him. I get
that there's still a lot to be learned about him,
nothing bad. And Albert Breer wrote this really good article
about the Bear's pursuit of him, basically saying like when
they went through the scouting process, a lot was like
one thing, Ryan Poll he was at the Notre Dame game,

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which is probably the worst game Caleb's ever played in
his career, and was blown away how he wasn't pouting,
how he was with his teammates, how he was encouraging.
And then one project they gave one of the scouts
you know, in like February or March, was to call
every coordinator he played the last couple of years and

(22:56):
get their opinions on how they game plan for him.
And they also gave other scouts when you went to
All Star games, asked teammates guys that he had played
with either at Oklahoma or at USC about him, and
everything came back. Obviously the coordinators were like, yeah, we
changed the whole game plan just for this guy, and
every teammate said positive things. So everything I've read and

(23:16):
I've watched them talk. Someone sent me an email, I
guess the high school he went to is like a
really really impressive school from an academic standpoint. I'm pretty
sure it's a Catholic high school, very serious high school,
Like there's not much screwing around there, and you see
that when you hear him talk in an interview setting.
So I'm very bullish on this guy. I mean, I

(23:36):
can't wait to watch these three guys play. Obviously CJ
already has built in buzz, but Anthony Richardson, I think
Colts are gonna be pretty good. I've been thinking a lot,
like what teams am I going to pick the division?
I think the Colts and the Texans are playoff teams,
and I think the Bears a little more unsure just
because the head coach. But I think their offense is

(23:56):
gonna have some moments even if they were to underachieve,
and if they play up to their capability, like they
can be a ten win team for sure. Like why
didn't I throw Jayden Daniels in there? Like I wonder
if it's gonna be a little harder transition than we think.
I don't know, you know, I'm not anti Jayden Daniels,
but I could see, like for a lot of guys,

(24:18):
it's not just Rookie of the Year. I throw twenty
eight touchdowns going to a team that's pretty bad. They
got new coach Cliff everyone loves them. We'll see. That's
all I say is, we'll see. Drake May's not gonna play. J. J.
McCarthy's not gonna play. Michael Pennox isn't gonna play. So
a lot of these guys aren't even gonna play. So
to me, and I'm not under no circumstances what I

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include Bryce under this conversation. You know, sometimes NFL teams
leak things on purpose. Clearly, things get out with trays
or during the draft that you don't want to get out,

(25:01):
and then things leaked it like, yeah, I think we
want this out. When I was at the Super Bowl,
I went to cocktails with a buddy from the Chiefs
and we were at a bar having some drinks, just
talking everything. Well, one thing we were talking a little
about the game is like, you know, we really like
our chances with our DBS against Debo. Obviously Debo behind

(25:24):
the line of scrimmage running he's a great player, but
in terms of running routes. We don't think he's gonna
be able to get open, and what happened, Deebo couldn't
get open. And I'm not anti Debo because I was.
I've seen him play live. He is one of the
most unique players I've ever seen. I watched him carry
the Niners on his back to the playoffs in twenty

(25:44):
twenty one, and he's made huge plays over the last
couple of years. But since he got the contract, he
never has quite lived up to the hype. And part
of when you pay a player like you can't expect
that player to be any different than he's been. And
he was never miss Marvin Harrison runner routs. He's got
DeVante Adams. That's not his game, but because of his

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coach and because of the offense, it worked. But sometimes
the last thing that happens in a sports season, like
the way you get swept in the NBA playoffs or
the way you get bounced in the NFL, or think
about the Chicago Bears, maybe their decision was already made
between before that Week seventeen game against the Packers, but
if they were even on the fence, that game was

(26:26):
the nail in the Coffin for Justin Fields. I do
wonder if Kyle Shanahan is just goes at the highest level,
because at this point in time, it's not about winning
playoff games, not about winning divisions, like trying to beat
the Chiefs, trying to beat the Ravens, trying to beat
a team that we're gonna see in the Super Bowl
or the NFC Championship with an elite defense, Can this

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guy get open on a corner? And the answer is not, really,
you can't. I mean it's out really is. He's always
had some success against Jalen Ramsey, but the Chiefs game
was pretty enlightened. And when it leaked that, like, hey,
the forty nine Ers took a receiver, took a receiver
in the first round. Could they trade Ayuk or Debo? Well,

(27:09):
it turns out they don't want to trade Ayuk. Obviously
they don't want to pay him as much as probably wants.
But Ayuk is a player that can translate for fifteen years,
runs routes, can go deep, can go short, can break tackles.
It's just a very versatile wide receiver running routes. Debo's
not really And I wonder if Kyle Shanahan was like,

(27:30):
I'm tired of this crap. One. He's been banged up
a lot. A couple of years ago, he wasn't in shape,
and then the biggest game like he's a non factor.
So when it leaked out the deebo Is on the
trade block one, they were never gonna get enough to
make it make sense to trade Debo, Like, no one's

(27:52):
offering pick twenty seven for Deebo Samuel this this draft.
But what if the forty nine ers, Kyle and John
wanted that out to be like, Deebo, we better fucking
really bring it this year, because if you don't like
all these conversations about us cutting you or just trading
you for not much after this year isn't fake, it's real.

(28:12):
Look at the books. Your salary cap hit next year
is like twenty eight million dollars. So I do wonder
if it was a little bit of a message, because
when you look at the logistics of the trade, they
would never have got enough to trade him. He still
has value to them, but maybe they wanted him to
know like, this isn't really gonna fly now. The problem
is okay, it's like run more routes in practice, that's

(28:36):
not really his thing. So I mean, they're kind of
in bed with this player that they had no choice
but to pay him a couple of years ago, and
they kind of got to figure it out. And I
also think that reflects why they took a route running
wide receiver with the thirty first pick in the NFL draft,
because the guy that they're paying twenty million dollars a
year doesn't really do that. And last, but not least,

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Rookie Mini Camp. I remember talking to a coach four
or five years ago. He was a wide receiver coach
at the time. He's now a coordinator, and he was like,
Rookie Minniicamp was the biggest shit show I've ever seen.
No one knew what was going on. We had guys
that are not going to be in the NFL, you know,
playing guard and safety, and it is just a zoo.

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You really are just trying to find out because you
have a lot of undrafted free agents. You have a
lot of tryout players because you got to fill the roster,
right no veterans are there. Well, if you only had
six draft picks and you only signed ten undrafted free agents,
you do the math. You can't run a practice with
sixteen people, you got to somehow find a way to
get thirty thirty five people. There just a function, and

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no one knows the playbook. No one knows what's going on.
Most of these guys, especially with draft picks, have been
flying all over the country or out of shape. It's
kind of a useless exercise. I truly believe that beside
the metal spot keeching your young guys the playbook. But
in terms of anything to be gleaned from the field

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besides just their physical size, I don't think there's much,
if anything. The number one takeaway I would have as
an executive would be does the guy look the part
one into no injuries. I don't want anyone pulling a
hamstring getting themselves hurt. So when we actually get the
veterans and we're running real practices, those guys aren't able

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to go because they have a soft tissue injury. So
there is gonna be in this is the world we
live in. A ton of reporters at this thing because
it's their job to go to these mini camps, hyping
it up or down planet. Like this guy looked terribly
looks low. None of it matters. There has never been
a practice in NFL history that matters less than rookie

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mini camp. It's impossible to matter less. Like you could
argue OTAs don't matter that much. They matter dramatically more
than this experience. Again, no one knows what's going on
beside the coaches, No one that includes your first round pick.
You're undrafted free agent. Head's on a swivel. It's a
little intimidating. It's the first time you ever put on

(31:08):
an NFL jersey. You're out there with you know you
name it, Mike Tomlin or Mike McCarthy, Kyle Shannan, Sean McVay.
It's intimidating. Spot. You're just trying to, like, not screw up.
Don't let the Internet fool you that something is dire
or something is great just because you see a post
over the next forty I'm not saying don't get excited,

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but it's more than negative. Anything you read negative, do
not take seriously. Okay, Little Middlecoff Mail bagtime at John Middlecoff.
At John Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in those dms.

(31:55):
Get your question answered here on the show at John Middlecoff.
My name Instagram DMS. I think The big thing with
May is that he's never had a one on one
quarterback coach, since he's always been doing other sports and
didn't commit to being a quarterback until two years ago.
Anyone who's seen his basketball highlights, he was a Division

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I basketball recruit and his brothers play basketball. A lot
of these college quarterbacks have had a quarterback coach work
with them on footwork since they were thirteen. Now, it's
certainly possible that when he cleans up his footwork, that
inconsistent accuracy could go away, much like it did for
Herbert and Allen, but banking on that is still a

(32:40):
big gamble. There are a lot more guys who can't
get that fixed than there are guys like Herbert and Allen.
The question now, are his bad mechanics baked in or
can he fix them with an actual NFL coach? Well,
I think this is a million dollar question. I mean,
this is the unanswerable question about drafts. When you get

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a guy in college that has some raw tools but
needs to get fixed up fundamentally. You could argue in
any sport baseball, something's wrong with his swing or pitching mechanics, basketball,
hitching his shot. Can that be fixed or is there
a muscle memory component that can't be coached out. But

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the reason these guys with elite physical attributes teams are
going to draft high Anthony Richardson a couple of years
ago at four, Drake May at three, and look who
wanted him, Kevin O'Connell, and day Ball as well, is
because they believe they can fix them and if they

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fix them, your set. Herbert needed Herbert to me, was
different than Josh. If you watch Justin Herbert in college one,
relative to Oregon, their skill wasn't as great, coaching wasn't
as great. It was pretty clear like he was a

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big time NFL talent. Josh's inaccuracies now who he was
playing with, even though I saw someone post I think
it was on Instagram. Just like an eight play Wyoming
highlight of Josh Allen. You're like, uh, yeah, so, but
football is less about the splash plays and more about
the layups. Right, Most of your plays in football are

(34:31):
hitting a quick out route, hitting a slant route on time,
hitting your check down wheel route in stride so he
can get upfield. In the difference of hitting him in
stride and him gaining seven yards on third and seven
were making him stumble behind and he gets tackled and
you don't get the first down because he only gains
three yards. So the touch on basic stuff or where

(34:53):
the fundamentals come in. This gets back to the best players,
the two best quarterbacks I've ever seen, right in their primes,
Brady and Manning were fundamental savants. And now granted they
weren't runners, so they had to be perfect fundamentally Drew Brees,
so fundamentally they worked on that twenty four to seven,

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three sixty five. Aaron Rodgers got a little out of
the loop the last like year of McCarthy and that
first year of Lafleur, and then they kind of got
him back to the basics and he won back to
back MVPs with obviously added his little Aaron Rodgers flair
because he could move better than those guys. But I
would say, fundamentals, no matter what you play, whether it's

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tennis on a volley, whether it's golf on a chip,
whether it's you know, being a great second basement on
turning two, always matter and always will. It's why the
first period of football practice after stretching is individual, meaning
the old lineman with the old lineman, Well, what are
they going over? Stance steps, d lineman get off linebacker

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and dbs drop reads steps? You know, basic placement of
hands for alignemen, quarterback? What are they going over? Footwork?
Every single practice of every single you know football, every
day in football, at practice, it's the first thing you

(36:22):
do before you go into group and unit stuff is
individual fundamental work NFL to pee wee football, pewe football,
you might spend even more time on fundamental but college,
if you went to Nick Saban practice or you went
to a Belichick practice, the first period of practice, once
you break from stretching, is all going to look somewhat

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the same. So it's very very important and how serious
you take that stuff. Like when you hear these people
talk about how serious Tom Brady and Peyton Manning took practice,
they're not just talking about team when it's eleven on eleven,
they're talking about the individual portion. Hammering home three step drop,

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five step drop, seven step drop my footwork in shotgun.
So it's just like you don't even think, right, we
talk about it in the golf roll all the time.
The more you're thinking about your swing, the more often
you're not gonna play well. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning
when they ran a play never thought about their footwork.
It was ingrained the correct footwork. Obviously, sometimes you have

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to add lib but like what was Peyton Manning the
best at when it came to fundamentals the stretch handoff?
He sold it where you didn't know it was going
to be a handoff or not a handoff. They did
that last year on Hard Knocks. Hackett ran that the
videos in the meeting room is this a handoff or

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is this a throw? And with Aaron Rodgers you couldn't
tell to me that. I mean, that's probably what you're
talking about. But all that the fundamentals of playing the sport.
Before you can be a great player, you gotta be
good on that. You know, Patrick Mahomes gets so much
credit for being this like farving player. Do you know
how much him and Andy go over the fundamentals on

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a daily basis, six months a year in practice, every
day they hammer that stuff home and rightfully so, I
wanted before I read a couple more instagrams. I've gotten some,
I've got a couple of emails that I wanted to
read just because these guys don't have Instagram. Hey John,
love the show You're inside? Okay, college football? Question here,

(38:35):
as the gap has never been wider in college football
between the Power five and non Power five? What are
these smaller conference conferences even playing for anymore? Between nil
deals and the portal? How can these schools even compete?
The odds have them making the playoffs are almost zero.

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I got news for you. As this playoffs moves forward,
I don't think we will see non Power five teams
get in. I think they will be asked out every
single time. Wouldn't it make sense for them to get
rid of the ridiculous bull system and have them create
their own postseason tournament, kind of like the NIT The

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games would mean more and they could crown a quote
unquote champion in the end. It would give more meaning
to their season instead of playing in the Potato Bowl.
We'd love to hear your thoughts. Well, I don't think
we're far away from just seeing the big Power five
be a group of fifty teams and them just compete

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to get to the pl You either make the playoffs
or you're done. I think we are because the balls
are still going to exist even with the twelve team
playoffs like the random potato bulls. But I think within
the next five years, I mean, things are moving at
rapid speed. Now in college sports, we will see the
big boys, the top fifty schools. However, I think it'll

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inevitably be like the AFC NFC, the equivalent in Power five,
like the Big ten SEC. Right, Notre Dame goes to
the Big ten Florida State, Clemson, and these teams just
kind of go to either conference, the ones that survive,
and then the non Power fives. I love that idea
because once they do this, once they've gone to twelve teams,

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and this is the hard part because they don't have
a commissioner. They don't have like a tzar of football.
You should not be allowed like USC should not be
allowed to play Fresno State or San Diego State. You're
non conference. The same thing Alabama. You should only be
able to play other Power five teams. Now you can
play a quote unquote crappier Power five team if instead

(40:44):
of playing Alabama not you want to play Mississippi State,
if you're USC or Kansas State or whoever, you don't
have to play Oklahoma. But you should only be able
to play each other. Can you imagine in the NFL,
it's like it's weak two and the Niners are playing
the Memphis Stampede of the UFL, Like what is going on?

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I think it's somewhat similar. Now, if you're Fresno State,
you want to play USC and Oregon because you get paid.
But that shouldn't be allowed anymore. And I think if
I was a betting man, that will inevitably happen, and
when it does, those teams one hundred percent should all
the non Power five teams should all play each other.
And I love this idea. I hadn't thought of like

(41:27):
a tournament, but D one listen I started. I went
to cal Poly D one double A. They have playoffs.
Sixteen teams make it and there's a bracket and you
crown champion. It's usually North Dakota State, Montana or South
Dakota State. That's what I would do. So I think
you're one hundred percent onto something there. I wouldn't be

(41:48):
shocked if that inevitably happens in some form or fashion
close to what you were saying. This is a email
I got, but it was directed from LinkedIn. I have
a LinkedIn page, by the way, go follow it. Just
because I post some stuff. Huge fan, not because I
need to read my resume. Huge fan of the pod.

(42:09):
My two biggest passions are sports and marketing. Would love
to chat overcall some ideas. A couple of examples of
content to rap about if you ever find yourself struggling
to fill the air. This guy's filling my show. The
NFL dominates because it's the most relatable sport to humans
and is solely driven by production and conducted like many
companies we all work for, so it's relatable. With this

(42:32):
in mind, football fans want to be as close to
the product as possible, which is the best problem to
have in business. The draft dominates. Why not add an
eighth round, but with a nod to fantasy football it's
randomized snake draft and the order isn't known until ten
minutes before the round starts. Would add some intrigue to

(42:52):
the late round mostly undrafted free agent picks. Kind of
like that idea. Ability to pick a quarterback as a
camera view from Sunday Ticket so you can stream your
favorite quarterback and watch the game through his helmet camp
with the sound maybe VR. The ability to trade franchise
tags yearlyes I e the forty nine Ers trade their

(43:14):
twenty twenty five franchise tag to the Colts for a
second round pick. Colts then could franchise Pat McAfee and
Peyton Manning in twenty five as an example, would give
them like through McAfee and Manning would give teams control.
Don't hate that idea. Don't hate that idea at all.
If you're not using your franchise tag, you can trade

(43:37):
it to another team that can then franchise tag multiple people.
I would say, would anyone give up a one for
the right? I think teams would give a second round
pick if they wanted a franchise tag two guys. That
was a good, little, uh little thought nugget there. Can
you please explain to me, as a Niners fan, how

(43:58):
we're supposed to feel excited about this? When do we
fix the offensive line? Where do you get the money
to pay these not on the roster replacements? When you
pay a yuke and party let Trent leave sign three
different ones? Please help me understand this wacky draft strategy.

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What's the path forward for offensive line on this already
less than stellar group. Well, they did draft an interior
offensive lineman from Kansas they can play guard or center.
They've invested in Aaron Banks, he's got to be a starter.
They invested a fourth rounder in Burford. He's not very good.
But historically you've been able to find functional guards and

(44:44):
centers late in the draft and during the waiver claim period.
Tackles a different beast. I can't fault them for not
drafting a tackle at pick thirty one if they didn't
think there was a guy good enough to draft in
that spot. And I'm pretty sure an offensive tackle didn't
go in the next several spots. It was like wide
receivers and defensive linemen and corners. So just because you

(45:10):
need a Trent replacement, they do. Because he's thirty five,
thirty six years old, he's not going to play forever. One.
There's no replacing him. They will never have a better
tackle than Trent Williams unless one year they absolutely suck
and get the number one pick. And there's Jonathan Ogden
in the draft two point zero. So there's gonna be
a downgrade when Trent leaves. But you can't force fill

(45:34):
that spot. That's bad business because if you force a need.
And here's the other thing they lost to the Super
Bowl because they couldn't block Chris Jones. True, their offensive
line on an individual basis is not great. They had
the lead in the Super Bowl, so their ability as

(45:55):
a coaching staff and as an offense to coach around
one high offensive lineman and a bunch of randos has
proven to be pretty good. Hell, they got Mike McGlinchey
fifty million dollars guaranteed. Like, I would say I would
trust their ability to coach these guys up at that position.
If their offensive line was the reason they were winning

(46:17):
eight or nine games, I'd be like, we got a problem. Boys.
These had the number one seed in the NFC and
went toe to toe with the Chiefs. Now their downfall
was they couldn't block Chris Jones. I got news for you.
Most people can't, So I hear you. But I think
it's easy to just say that. Then in reality, like

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I don't know if it should they have traded up
in the second round to get a guy, Well, what's
the hit rate on that you think you're just gonna
find like Lane Johnson? You know, I mean sometimes you
gotta get a little lucky. Maybe in one of your
mid round picks becomes a five year starter. They found
Lake and Tomlinson years ago, and he became a really
good play for them, and then getting a bunch of

(47:01):
money from the Jets. So you got to make those
moves now at tackle, that's not going to happen, and
they have a weakness of tackle. Their right tackle is
not very good relative to the league. Luckily Trent is
and you just run to his side. The problem is
he gets hurt, then you're in a pinch. Big fan
of the show. People loved to debate whether the top

(47:23):
college football teams could beat some of the worst NFL teams,
which I don't think would ever be possible. But what
if one of the great college football teams played a
UFL team. I haven't watched any UFL, but I'm curious
about the level of talent that's in that league. Well,
I haven't watched a snap either, but my guess would

(47:44):
be let's use an example. Georgia a couple of years ago,
the team with eight million pros, I think they had
a ton that were like top fifty picks, would beat
any team in the UFL. Michigan, they just had thirteen
guys drafted and probably another four or five signed undrafted
free agents. Would beat every team in the UFL because

(48:07):
JJ McCarthy's a better quarterback than all those guys, and
they have six ' seven NFL linemen. The UFL does
not have six to seven NFL linemen, like most of
the guys in the UFL are not NFL players. So
I think it is fair to say that the top
teams in college football would beat UFL teams. Now, if

(48:29):
you just get like, could San Diego State or could
you know Arizona State? Yeah, I don't. I have no clue.
I would guess not, but who knows. But like Bama, Georgia, LSU,
Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, would they beat them? I would.
My first reaction is yes, again zero snaps of the

(48:52):
UFL minor league football is not for me. Big fan
of the POD and hearing from your perspective, if the
Dolphins don't pay Tua, does taking a quarterback like Pennix
who is similar to what they already have. Both are
left handed so this was before or do they go
with someone like Joe Milton. Here's the thing. I think

(49:12):
you cannot pay Tua and not drafting a quarterback high
is also a smart move. I do not expect them.
Let me rephrase that. I don't think they need to
now that. That doesn't mean they're not going to. But I
do think the proper business decision would just be to
play it out and two a nose. Two is showing

(49:33):
up to the offseason because he knows, like, what if
I really earned I'm a good NFL player, I'm gonna
have a job as an NFL started for a while.
If they don't want me, someone else will pay me.
But I do think it's fair for the Dolphins to go.
Is he worth investing this much in? When you see
these companies like in Fortune five hundred stock Market World

(49:56):
merge or pay for someone, they go, this company is
worth two billion dollars to us because we think that
in the next five years it'll ten ex us or
five ex us or generate x number worth of ROI
over a period of time. I think you have to
look like that with a quarterback. Can we do better?

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Is this the best we can do if we get
rid of this guy? Could we upgrade if we do
pay him and it limits our budget, is it worth it?
Is he good enough to beat the guys we have
to beat. I think there are a lot of variables
that you could ask yourself. That's why I get back
to Dak. To me, they've paid Dak and they haven't

(50:39):
been able to get over the hump. And a large
reason is because Dak has underwhelmed in the playoffs when
you need him to play his best, and that's what
you're paying him for. He's a really good, excellent regular
season quarterback, going to Pro Bowls, putting up good numbers.
He's a winning player, but there's a difference between a
winning regular season player and a winning playoff player. Like

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I even think Lamar took a little step this year.
You feel better about him in the playoffs, but like
now it's time to go. If you ever want to
win a Super Bowl, you're gonna have to go to
that legendary spot where it's like you have a flawless
game against a couple of elite opponents. We know you
can do it in the regular season. I watched you
do it this year running circles around all these teams.

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You guys are blowing everybody out. What happens when we
get into a playoff game against Patrick Mahomes or Josh
Allen or Joe Burrow and it's a tight game in
the second half. Can you still play at that elite level.
We've already paid you, You're already worth it to us.
But now our next goal is to win the Super Bowl.
Like the Dolphins goal now is to win a playoff game.

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And I think it's fair to ask is to good
enough to win a playoff game? And you could argue
in the AFC, I don't know, think about like the
potential first round matchups Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes,
c J. Stroud, Harbaugh and Herber, You're not gonna have
the best quarterback in any of these games. Question from Minnesota.

(52:07):
How do you see JJ's rookie year going start Week one,
start by Thanksgiving, sit out the year? Would love to
hear your take observation. In Russell Wilson's final year with Seattle,
he was seen sitting next to Goodell many times on
TV during the Super Bowl. I feel like he was
positioning himself to be the next commissioner. Obviously, his chances

(52:31):
of that may be gone, but I believe that his angle,
given his positive and PC persona. Do you think there's
any truth to that take for Russell Wilson to even
have a slimmer of hope to be the next commissioner.
And again, I've never even seen that or heard that
or thought that he would have to go work for

(52:52):
the League office for a long time and get in
with the NFL owners. The only commissioners in sports Manfred
worked for baseball when Sea League got out. Adam Silver
was David Searn's right hand guy. Roger Goodell worked for
the league for thirty years or twenty years or whatever.

(53:13):
Since they're mid it early eighties, these leagues do not
hire people that aren't league employees and that don't know
the dirt of the NFL. They're not hiring outside CEOs.
This isn't corporate America here. They only hire from within.
And I don't blame him, so I would say he

(53:35):
has no chance unless he's willing to go work for
the League office for fifteen plus years. And then, yeah,
who knows the JJ things tough. I don't think he
could beat out Sam Donald in training camp. So Sam
Donald beats him out. I think then it's all predicated
on wins and losses. Usually these guys come in when
the team's not doing well. Think about Lamar came in

(53:58):
because the Ravens were playing well, Flacco looks shot. Mahomes
never did why because they were like eleven twelve win
team with Alex Smith. So to me, it's all based
on Sam Donald, who to me is a wild card.
If you tell me Sam sucks and they're one and four,
I'd believe you. If you tell me Sam solid and
their team's good and they're five and five and they

(54:20):
just keep rolling with them, I'd believe you too. So
I think he's the hardest, like Drake May's gonna play
this year. Why the Patriots aren't gonna be that good
and Jacoby's not good enough, and so you just factor
in they're much more likely to be two and six
Minnesota could be. But I also could see a situation
where they're just competitive. The talent around them on offense,

(54:40):
offensive play callers, their head coach. He's proven to be
a good head coach. Hell, he was competitive with random
quarterbacks last year. So I'd be guessing my guess as
he plays. I would say later than sooner, though, because
I think they'll be competitive early and if some if somehow,
Donald's just god awful he looks like the Jets Panthers guy,

(55:03):
then you'll see him before Thanksgiving, because that's the way
the NFL works, because the fans have a lot of juice.
Because the fans would be like, we'll start booing calling
into sports talk radio and be like, oh, why does
that matter because that's where the owner listens, and the
owner is not going to go we just drafted this
guy in the first round. To just watch Sam Darnold.
So if you start slow, the rookie plays rinse, wash, repeat.

(55:27):
That's just how it happens. If you're in the mix
and you have a even a bridge quarterback, that guy
will play. Question for the bag, would you consider doing
a statement on today in NFL history? It could revolve
around big plays or games, controversies, contracts, or just simple
facts about coaches, players being fired or released. It would
be cool for folks not as well versed in sports

(55:48):
history to get a window into the past. Thanks for
the content. As a military offer officer, I look forward
to listening on the commute every day. We appreciate your service. Uh,
that's it's probably not really my jam, to be honest
with you. Not really something that excites me. Obviously, during
the offseason, like May this day in NFL history, people

(56:11):
took the day off during the season. I guess it
would have more relevancy, but there's just so much stuff
going on. I just long way of saying, it's probably
not gonna happen. This isn't history, Pod, But again, appreciate
your service. Why don't you think Belichick's assistants have been
successful coaches? With a highly successful team like the Pats,

(56:34):
you would imagine that there would be many successful future
head coaches on the staff. Then you have a team
like the twelve Redskins who played one game in the
playoffs and lost, but under Mike Shanahan, the Redskins had
five NFL head coaches, Kyle McVeigh, Lafleur, McDaniels, and Raheem Morris.

(56:54):
With that much star power on the coaching staff, you
would imagine that teams would be playing for Super Bowls. Well,
their team wasn't as good, right If you gave that
staff Brady Gronk, Edelman, mccordy, high towered all those guys,
they would have been a lot better. So you do like,
this is professional sports. You do need talent on the squad.

(57:16):
I would also say that's somewhat of a unique situation.
Sean mcvay's what thirty seven, thirty eight years old? Well,
in twenty twelve he was twenty seven, Kyle was in
his early thirties. Mike McDaniel was probably thirty years old. Max.
So the guys you see now are much different coaches

(57:39):
than you saw then. And I would imagine Kyle would say,
I became a much better coach when I left my dad,
when I went to Cleveland for a year, then I
went and worked with Matt Ryan. It's like any young
person in the industry, you kind of grow with time.
You hone onto your skills. Think about Sean McVay, he
was like a position coach, then coaching tight ends. Four

(58:00):
or five years later, Jay Gruden comes on. He got
to call the offense, so he got to learn by doing.
That's what we say at cut Pauly, and that helps
you become better at your craft. So would Sean McVay
have been as good of a coach with the Rams
in twenty seventeen and eighteen if Jay Gruden never let
him call plays? Probably not. So I think it's easy

(58:23):
to say this group of guys were all there together.
Ultimately Mike was the boss, and who your head coaches
matters a lot, and their quarterback ended up getting hurt. Right,
if RG three hadn't got hurt his rookie season and
they just would have had that level of athlete and
player for a couple of years, I think they would

(58:44):
have been more competitive. But I think they win a super Bowl?
Probably not, but could they have made the playoffs several
years in a row one. But I also think you know,
if you just look at any successful person that's under
forty five in twenty twenty four, if you looked at
them in twenty twelve, they wouldn't be that same person.
They might have been a guy that most people thought, like,

(59:06):
this guy's never gonna make it, this guy's got no shot.
I don't care what business you're in. So I think
he got a factor in time, different experiences. I mean
a lot of them bounced around, went to different places,
learned from different people, and just improved on their craft.
So it's not like a player where it's like, yeah,
he's kind of ready to win right now. It's like
usually coaches get better with time. Look at Andy Reid

(59:29):
when three of five Super bowls over sixty years old,
started coaching when he was like as a head coach
in nineteen ninety nine. Now they had a lot of
success in Philly. But I think he'd be at first
tell you I'm a way better coach now than I
was in two thousand and four. So I think it's
easy to play that game. And that graphic is so
famous because mainly the three headed monster of you know,

(59:55):
Laflores had a bunch of success with Rogers and now
Jordan Love, Sean McVay crushed at one super Bowl, and
Kyle's been winning pretty consistently now for five years. I
just think you look at if you look at me
in twenty twelve, or I looked at you in twenty twelve,
whatever you're doing now, you know, it's like, what, how'd
you end up there? I think I think that happens
a lot. There's a lot of twenty five year olds

(01:00:17):
right now struggling twenty eight year olds, thirty year olds.
We're in twelve years, you're going to be in a
dramatically better spot. You'll be better at what you do,
You'll have gone through experiences. I was just talking to
my girlfriend about this because she's going through some business stuff,
and no, I would say learning hard lessons is one
way to say it, But I just say, learning good

(01:00:38):
lessons the faster you learn, whatever industry you're in, Like, yeah,
it's kind of cutthroat. Whoever you're dealing with first and
foremost is going to care about themselves and their family
more than yours and quote unquote trying to screw you.
Get over on you. Fuck you however you look at.
I don't mean sexually, I mean like financially, you just

(01:01:00):
those are good lessons to learn, and they make you
better with time to realize, like to become numb to
certain stuff, to know what to look for. They harden you,
whether you're a coach, whether you're a salesman, whether you're
doing whatever. So the more experiences like pro sports, you
have a short window to maximize. For most of us

(01:01:21):
in all the industries where you work in, we should
be this and coaching falls into this too. You should
be dramatically better at forty than you were at twenty
seven or fifty than you were at thirty five, because
you just know more, You've seen more, You've had more experiences,
good and bad, and bad experiences make you better. So

(01:01:42):
I bet Kyle learned more about himself the next couple
of years when they were crappy than he did the
one year with rg III. You never run that offense.
But again he did it for a split second. With Trey.
Lancey hated it. He's like, I hate this crap. This
is not what I do. You know, So I just
think time none of those guys. If we would have
made all five of those guys and we'll see about

(01:02:04):
Raheem in Atlanta, but the other four head coaches in
twenty thirteen after the two, I bet a lot of
them would have crashed and burned. And I bet they
would all say that, like, yeah, I wasn't ready, no chance.
I would have been overwhelmed. But when they got their
chances in twenty seventeen or twenty nineteen or twenty twenty
one or whatever year, they got them right Laflora a

(01:02:25):
little later, McDaniels a couple of years ago, Kyle and
Sean in twenty seventeen. Raheem Morris didn't get his till
twenty twenty four, and they'd say, I'm much more equipped
now of going through it all you should want. It
sucks at the time, but professional struggles, I would say,
are what make you or give you the ability for

(01:02:48):
future success professional success. I mean it doesn't teach you
that much. I'm not saying you can't learn from when
you're being successful of what works double down, like obviously,
but when things are not going well and there aren't
really answers, you kind of got to look at yourself
in the mirror and like, we got to figure this out.

(01:03:08):
And then you look back a year later and like,
I figured it out. That wasn't that hard, or God,
that was that last year. I really changed a lot.
I can't do that anymore. I need to do more
of this and less of that. So I hear what
you're saying. And that picture is gonna be I would say,
put up on television screens during football season, probably forever.

(01:03:33):
I mean, in perpetuity to the day I die. I mean,
that picture is never going away, even when those guys
are retired. But I think it's easy to play that game,
and I don't necessarily think it's fair. The volume

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