May 8, 2024 • 39 mins
It's time to dive into some Bachelor Nation headlines and Ben is in the middle of the biggest stories! Ben shares his perspective and reaction to Chris Lane's Instagram post about his wife Lauren... from a moment when she was still engaged to Ben.
We break down the news about the ex deep dive Kaitlyn and Ben went down on a recent podcast.
Plus... the official end of Rachel Lindsay and Brian Abasolo's relationship and the start of a new romance for Daisy!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
This is the Almost Famous podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
It's a week of headlines in Bachelor Nation, and way
too many of them include me, which I'm not comfortable with.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I'm not used to.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
But I think we got three of them this week.
That's got to be a record.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Well, there's one that doesn't really count because it happened
on our podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Oh okay, fair, yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
But are you ready to start with your interrogation here?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
You can start, okay.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
So the first hot topic is just the weirdest thing.
So over the weekend, Tom Pullman, who is like a
higher up at iHeart we see him occasionally at iHeart events,
he posted a picture of you, Lauren Lane, your former
experience E, and her now husband, Chris Lane, and it
(00:56):
was a piece of pictures and it was really weird
because it was like, this is the night that Chris
Lane met her his wife eight years ago.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
And like it is and it would have been actually
relative and relatively maybe normal if he had poked fun
at the fact that you're sandwiched between and that they met.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
And it's like he made fun of the fact that
that they met when you and her were still very
much together, but there was no mention of this. So
it's just awkward because you're just present in all the
pictures and it's almost as if they're pretending that you
don't exist. And you texted us right off the bat
(01:46):
after seeing this and being like is this weird? Is
it okay? And I feel weird about this? And then
it got weirder a few hours later. Can you tell
us your initial feelings? Because this is just Tom Pullman's Instagram.
I'm not a huge deal.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
You know, he has quite a few followers, He's a
big he's a big deal at Iheart's.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
At iHeart, But like he's not like a celebrity or
even a dealist celebrity or reality star.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, I mean so Tom Pullman has always and I
have always been very friendly and it's always been good
to see him at these events.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I took it as hey, this is I feel weird
about this that he's posting this because I thought it
put Chris and Lauren in a very awkward situation right
like these pictures I thought would feel weird to them
and would feel weird to them, and as a result,
I felt weird about that. I also just felt weird
that there was pictures of Laura and I together again, Like,
(02:42):
I haven't seen a picture of Laura and I posted
in a long time.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Do you think that he remembers that you guys were together?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I don't, because I don't think he's like a huge
fan of the show. Like I think he remembers it
being a night that we were all at Iheartfest, and
he has documentation of Chris and Lauren meeting, and he's
obviously still close with Chris because Chris is still putting
out music with you know, and going on iHeart and
so I don't think Tom even understood the connection maybe
(03:10):
of oh yeah, and at this time Lauren and been
ord together, Like I just don't. I don't think he
was like computing that. I think it was more documenting
the fact that Chris and Lauren were meeting and he
had it on, you know, with pictures.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah, and did he was he the one I'm looking
right now? Is he the one who posted a picture
of them reenacting their meeting?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Yes, Okay, so just this weekend. The reason this came
up was because this weekend was iHeart Country Music Festival,
and Chris and Lauren were there. So he took another
picture with them, so he just kind of wanted to
be like here they are married eight years later. And
then a couple hours later it got way weirder. Chris
(03:53):
reposted Tom's posts and again, doesn't mention you. I mean,
that's like her husband now with and posted pictures of
her ex fiance. That's like a gutsy move regardless, let
alone to not poke fun at it. So what happened there.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Well, I'm starting to get the feeling that, you know,
I did not exist within this moment, and I don't
think I did.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
That's what I told you. I was like, they're not
trying to take shots at you. They just fully ignored
you because like, I don't exists in the storyline.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah. I wasn't even like a hurdle.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I was just like there as like a as a
spaceholder to until they could, you know, meet each other
and fall in love with each other.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
You know, initially I did. I texted the group. I
was like, I feel weird about this. I don't even
know how to feel about this. It was one of
those moments actually where you don't know how you're supposed
to feel, honestly, and I've always had this kind of philosophy,
especially over the last you know, five years, maybe as
I've fallen in love myself and maybe matured a little
(05:04):
bit where it's been like, I'm really glad that they
met how they met, Like, yes, there was definitely pains involved,
and yes it wasn't like the easiest road to watch
somebody you cared about at some point in your life
date somebody else like that happens was you know, that
would just happen in general after a breakup for anybody.
And then you get to the point where're like, wait,
but it all worked out really beautifully, Like it just
(05:26):
wasn't like perfectly pretty through the whole thing, right, And
so I was like, I don't know exactly I'm supposed
to feel about it. And then I got a text
from Chris very nice, it's very nice of him.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yes he did it within minutes of posting it.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Well he did, And I think, you know, I don't
know the mindset one hundred percent going into it, but
I do know that he probably based in the comments,
was like, hey, this might Ben might feel like I'm
taking a jab at him. And as I've mentioned before,
I really like Chris. He's a great, dude, We've gotten
a golf together. I have nothing but respect for him.
I'm so happy that you know, he and and found
each other and they have a family together, Like, oh,
(06:02):
that's so good. And there's never been this like animosity,
and honestly, there's never even been a weirdness because for me,
it's like, hey, I'm glad things are where they're at.
And I'm sure he's saying I'm glad things are where
they're at, like things are good.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I mentioned one thing sure when I saw this screenshot.
He's the screenshot of your conversation with Chris, and I
saw that you guys had last texted on Wednesday, and
then it made a little bit more sense. He's like, oh, okay, well,
if they're chatting about golf every now and again, he
probably feels comfortable enough with Ben. But I think that
(06:36):
if I had to do it, I would be like, hey,
do you mind if no, I.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Don't know if well, I mean, I I don't think
he has to ask me for permission to how he
uses his own proprietary media, right, I mean if I
think the only thing there that would have been appropriate
is after he saw the comments and kind of how
I'm getting involved in the comments. I think he was
probably like, hey, I just want to make sure Ben
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knows I'm not like taking a shot at him.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Uh, And which is all I would ask.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Because you did comment underneath the picture before. No, No,
I did ask to comment after he texted.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I did it after he texted because I was like, Hey,
I want everybody out there to know this is my
my mindset when it came to making a comment on it.
I want everybody to know that I can laugh at
this because I think all three of us involved in
this situation would admit, yes, this is weird, right. That's
one Like, Also, I want to make a comment on
this to know that I fully support the two of them,
(07:36):
you know, yeah, doing whatever they want to do in
their lives publicly as a couple, Like I have no
problem that I'm in this picture with them as a couple,
and that I am definitely now like the fourth wheel.
When I initially thought I was very much involved in
that picture, I am. You can now you know, time
will now show that I am definitely the fourth wheel,
(07:57):
third wheel if anything, in that picture. And so it
meant a lot that he texted me and meant a
lot that he cared enough to text me, and I
wanted to make a comment just so people knew that
I am fully behind, you know, their love story. However
it happened, whenever it happened. Yeah, still felt weird about it, though,
I mean I still felt like.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Very like uh.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I just didn't know how to feel. I guess would
be the best way to say it. I didn't know
if I should comment. I didn't know if I should
like the picture. I didn't know if this was a
shot of me until he texted me and said that,
And what did you.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Write the comments? Whatever?
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
It was very funny.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah, I just said I had big, big plans for
the two of them, like that. I was setting this
up at the beginning.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
A reference to this song, big big Plans that he
wrote about Lauren.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, yeah, number one, huge hit, massive hit. And then
I said, I knew I shouldn't let you two stand
next to each other in that photo. And I do
remember that night very clearly, and I remember being like, Hey,
it's cool that Lauren's meeting Chris Lane. I know she's
a fan of Chris Lane. I know she likes his music.
This is cool, right, we get to do these kind
of things at these events. This is awesome, and so
(09:07):
I never thought anything of it until obviously the two
of them, you know, fine love together. I don't think
at that time I really expected things to work out
like they have. Yeah, again, I want to be very clear,
I am very glad things worked out the way they did.
And I really think the two of them are a
(09:28):
great match together, and they're very you know, they have
a beautiful family together. I just I think the way
I could explain this was I was in one of
those moments where I was like, I don't know how
I should feel about this until he texted me, because
I think initially I was like, is this a shot
at me? Is it not a shot at me? Is
this just more of like a random thing that's happening.
(09:50):
And then when he texted me, I was like, this,
he doesn't mean anything ill will by this.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's just I never really thought.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
It was ill will. It's just like straight ignoring, and.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, that's mine too.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I can get ignored a little awkward just to be like.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, I mean, you know what, like at the end
of the day, at some point in my life, like
I will be ignored by most people, and that's what
I'm just getting used to it now, Like this is
a good prep for me to continue to just kind
of get pushed into the background and I'm just around,
Like you'll just see me and random picture and be
like who's that guy?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Like who's who's he?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
That's a testament of like how long you have been around.
It's like it's been eight years, so maybe we've gotten
to the point where it's just like that's such far
past history that like it is just kind of like, oh,
this is what we met, and like the fact that
you're with this other guy isn't that big of a
deal because you've ben.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
He's harmless, that poor guy is look at it. Look
at that being dude. He's a harmless he's he's got
no edge. That guy's just there. He's just happy. He's
just going along for the ride. He's excited to meet
me too.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
This funny stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
It was wild.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
It was on good terms. And there's no twisting to
this story. You know, yes, comes across the weird in
some ways, but also we see the fun and we've
laughed at it and it's been a good story for us.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah, I think it's I think that's the way to say.
There's no twisting this, there's no behind the scenes like
drama here. I will always in fact. Here's the thing.
There has been many moments that I've been golfing with
Chris where I'm like, I want to leverage this, like
how you know what, Like this is a good moment,
Like how do we get some attention because we're golfing together.
(11:28):
There's nothing more to this than I think the night
they first met, finding the pictures of it, showing it,
and you know what, based on what was happening at
the time. Yes, I was there. I was very much there,
very much involved, and I just happened to be there
for their first meeting. And that's why I said I
had big, big plans for the.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Two of you.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
This was all a part of the big plan. This
is all a part of the setup. I knew that
if you know what, she didn't find love on the show,
she would find love through our relationship.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I'll take credit for that.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Ben. Before we move on, I just have one question.
You said that you weren't like feeling as if he
was like a thread or anything, you know, but did
you feel like any flirt, flirty vibes between the two
of them, like was she smiling at back then hard
and like looking at him in the eyes a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah, I don't even know if I was paying attention
to the like the way they're communicating with each other.
I do remember that night because it was one of
my first iheartfests and that was a big deal. Uh,
And it was obviously a lot of fun because we
kind of had the backstage pass. I remember meeting a
lot of cool people, and I honestly that's how I
took it, was, We're we're meeting one more really cool person,
(12:40):
and this person happens to be really nice because they're
conversing a lot, you know, like they're talking and I'm
talking to him too, and I was also talking to
Tom Pullman, and so I was, you know, kind of
within the mix. I remember him being very nice and
then saying, hey, you guys should come to a show sometime.
(13:00):
And so, if anything, I just remember Crisp being nice
and more talkative than most you know, people there, because
a lot of times, like you meet these people and
they kind of like pass you by, especially when you're
like on reality television. You know, you're in the back
room with them and they're like kind of give you
a little high and walk past. Chris was very friendly
and maybe maybe that's all he was. I don't know
(13:21):
if there was any flirting or not, but I never
did feel I never walked away from that event being like, hey,
you guys are gonna get married one day.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Did he seem to be a Bachelor fan? Because I
remember he is? Yeah, I thought so he was.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I don't know if he.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Still is natural because he was fans of you guys,
so hind to linger around a little bit would have
been normal.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, he he used to be. I don't know if
he still is or not, but he used to be
a Bachelor fan. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's mostly like,
you know what, I really love Ashley to close this up.
I like when we can laugh and actually find humor
in some of the hardest and most like confusing moments
(14:04):
of our lives. Because eight or seven years ago, six
years ago, whenever, that was like this, like the breakup
was a really big deal to me, as you remember, like,
it was a really hard season of life for me,
and I'm sure for her in a lot of ways too.
I don't but I don't know personally, but for me
speaking to me, it was a really hard season of
just asking a lot of questions and feeling like this
(14:24):
whole thing wasn't worth it, and wondering and questioning. And
now six years later, you can look back and make
fun of it and laugh at it and be like,
isn't it so great? How these tough moments when when
you're in them, they feel like you're never going to
get out of them, and you feel like it's a
cyclone of chaos and confusion and sadness. And now you
look back and you're like, it all works out, like
(14:45):
it does, and let's laugh at that, because if not,
what are we doing? Like, like, let's giggle at the
fact that, yes, they did meet at Iheartfest and I'm
in all those pictures. I think it's hilarious. I think
it's funny, and I think it's exactly how I want
my life to be, is a consistent, like comedy reel
of awkward moments that I just happened to find myself
(15:05):
in totally.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
And sometimes you even get like weirdly nostalgic towards the pain.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, you're like, goodness, that was a that was a
season like that was crazy, right.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I overcame it and like you realize that everything is good.
But you know, it's a funny story that my sister
and I thought of. I was telling her how you
are going to come to DC in a month, and
how we're going to We're going to hang you can
hang out our family And I was like, well, what's
the last time you like hung out with Ben? And
she's like, it's been a while. She's like, but I
will always remember when you guys just started the podcast.
(15:37):
He was like, in La doing press. Maybe you guys
would recorded like a teaser, like a beginning podcast. And
he took a nap on our couch and she was like,
I can't believe that Ben Higgins is hitting your napbar couch.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I was too, I take naps. I do.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
That's hilarious. Yeah, isn't it funny how life moves on?
Speaker 4 (15:58):
I was like, wow, Wow, man is a celebrity looking
ab out there snoring. You're like the cutest sleeper. I
think that everybody out there can think of a sleeping
and be like, yeah, that man would sleep real.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I just cuddle up a little ball.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Exact what you do?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
You're like, I do I liked you.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I can't wait. I can't wait to see your family,
and this is Yeah. So anybody that saw this post
here is just just laugh at it and love it
and support Chris as he goes off and does more
music and incredible things. That's That's the best part of
this whole thing is that I'm really glad as we
did two years ago. We met at the Hilton Grant
Vacations and we're able to now have this friendship where
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he can text me and say, hey man, this was
not a shot at you, and I'm like, I get it,
I get it. It's totally cool. There's another headline, Ashley,
that we've been brought up in. If you haven't listened
(16:59):
to the interview with Kaitlyn Bristow yet that we did,
it's really very much worth listening to, Ashley. We're just
going to kind of summarize I guess the interview based
on this headline, just so people can go back and
listen to it. But the headline says this, Kaitlyn Bristow
and Ben Higgins were hurt when exis said their bachelor
romances weren't real.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Yeah, So we had Kitlyn on last week for almost
an hour. The episode is really interesting. We first had
Kaitlyn on because because Ben and Caitlyn had some like
fake beef that.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I don't know if it was fake.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
I don't fake.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
It was not.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
It was not fake in my world for a good
twelve hours.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
It was, but it was not existing in Caitlyn's heart.
But yes, there was some tension there and again funny jokes.
You know, we texted back and forth. Ben was like
Caitlyn like, I don't know, you know, am I a
feeling too? Blah blah blah. She comes on. They hashed
that out in the first fifteen minutes. But then they
(18:01):
get to some very interesting stuff and that includes a
interview or a podcast that that Sean Booth did well
with Lauren Bushnell now Lane over the summer, and in
this interview, two of them talk about like the legitimacy
of the love that they felt between you and her
(18:24):
and then Caitlin and John, and in which Sean sort
of makes it seem like Kitlin may have not been
like one of the great loves of his life. And
both you guys admit that hearing them talk about, hearing
them downplay the love that you guys experience was very hurtful.
(18:45):
So if you guys want to hear them talk about this,
make sure to listen to the Kaitlyn Brister episode of
the podcast that came out last week.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I mean, I think Caitlyn also is in this like
very sensitive space right now right her. There's a lot
of love things things going on in her life.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
You mean, the fact that we can say that Kat
Strickler and Jason pretty much have their relationship confirmed, not
through a hard launch on Instagram, but people is reporting
that they are official couple today.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah, I mean, I think at this point we'd be
mistaken if we did not assume they are very much together. Yeah,
and so I'm sure Caitlin's sensitive to a lot right
now sense.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
For real, but also not at all disturbed by him.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Danny, oh goodness all over. You know, Yes, I think
she's very much moved on and passed. I just think that,
you know, no matter what, when you spend time with somebody,
these wounds are still open at some level and they
kind of sting a bit and you're just kind of
processing it all. And so when you know when that happens,
(19:52):
then you know that you know your ex from the
show also says, Hey, it wasn't real. I'm sure you
question it like if you haven't found on that true
love since then you're questioning like did it mean anything?
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Have I ever has anything ever meant anything? And so
Caylen's in it. And the quod part about Kaitlyn in
our interview is she's so vulnerable and honest about where
she's feeling and how she's feeling things. And you'll just
get to know I think Caitlin better.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
And she is.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
A storm of emotions and she is reacting to those
emotions consistently. And that's why we love her because you
always know where Caitlin's at on a good day and
a bad day, you know where she's at. Yep, you
know where she's at. Another big headline, this one, This
one's getting difficult.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I would say this one's interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Rachel Lindsay and Brian finance, they're okay, So we're gonna inside. Look,
I guess the best way to say this into Rachel
Lindsay and Brian's finances because he requested spouse's support in DeVore.
So that's public record. It's starting. It's out there for
everybody to know now. And so Ashley as this divorce
(21:10):
announcement happened, you know, it was. It's been a fairly
like I would say, amicable process so far. This does
start to feel like things, especially some of the stuff
written that you'll break down, that things aren't as maybe
easy as what we've maybe seen publicly.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Right, and they're still living together currently.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
That to me happens.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
It happens in these you know, in divorces and breakups,
Like it's not uncommon to me when I hear this.
I feel for both of them because there's nothing that
I would rather not do than live with the person
that I've just like ended things with and that.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
You're like going to court against.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Like how do you do that? And I think they
live in like apartment and so they're like, you can't hide.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah, So I'm going to read a lot of these
verbatim since it is legal stuff and I don't want
to mess things up. So in May, court documents that
were obtained by s Weekly say that he requested an
emergency spousal support and the former bachelorette was requested to
cover at least seventy five thousand dollars in legal fees.
(22:26):
He claimed that she is using her marital funds to
pay for her own legal funds, but refuses to let
him access the money. Okay, what would be their marital funds?
Would that be money that was made after they got married? Yes,
because they don't have a prenup.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
They don't.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I mean no, it doesn't sound like they have a prenup.
Marital funds are the funds that would have been made
after they got married. There is, you know, they both
are entitled to that at some level.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
So she's using like probably a joint account to come
he's accusing her of using a joint account to cover legal.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Fees or just anything made. It doesn't have to be
a joint account. It's like anything made is up for
discussion in a diverse set of you know.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
The quote is, I am informed and believe that Rachel
has been using our community property monies to pay for
her divorce lawyer and forensic accountant, while refusing to give
me access to any of the community property funds to
pay my divorce lawyer, my forensic accountant, or any of
my personal expenses. Okay, you want to break that down,
(23:35):
send that sentence down. So basically, if she's using money
that they have made post marriage, he should be able
to do the exact same. Yes, all right, And.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Now now it does vary by state to state, like
each state has different laws and rules on who's entitled
to what and how much. I think the outside of no,
the numbers and percentages here, what we can assume is
she's using money that was made post you know, them
(24:09):
getting married for these fine you know, for these expenses,
and somehow along the way he is not able to
get this money as well, so she.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Like has him locked out of the accounts.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Perhaps maybe he never had access.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
I don't know, gotcha, Okay, So then it says I
placed this is you know from Brian. I placed my
career as a chiropractor on hold twice to move for
Rachel's career. These moves were detrimental to my chiropractic business,
while Rachel's income and success as a media personality has skyrocketed.
(24:44):
It says there's some cold quotes in here. It says
mids amidst Lindsay's success, they had an upper class marital
standard of living, as they dined at celebrity hotspots such
as Nobu and Catch and traveled around the world, with
Brian noting that they frequently, if not always, a flu
business class and stayed in the fineness of hotels. It
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says that Brian now claims to make thirteen hundred dollars
per month, which is less than his reoccurring expenses. His
reoccurring expenses, according to the document, says that he pays
six thousand, five hundred dollars in rent each month, one
thousand dollars in restaurant meals, fifteen hundred in groceries, and
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twenty five hundred in entertainment, and his I don't know
why they robson here, but his wedding band is also
allegedly worth one thousand dollars, and he's seeking financial assistance
from Rachel to be able to relocate from their shared
La home. They are both still living together but avoid
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each other. He also says that Rachel has put up
security cameras to monitor his comings and goings, without sharing
the viewing credentials of these cameras. I want to move
out of our family residents as soon as possible, but
maintaining our standard of living is not financially feasible at
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this time. It does so that they have previously lived
in a luxurious a luxury condominium in West Hollywood before
buying a beautiful house in North Hollywood, which included them
having a landscape or a pool cleaner and a housekeeper
to maintain the property. Okay, so they've they've been living
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the life and totally.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Go I just eight leftovers by the way, But.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Like I'm he's living off of thirteen hundred a month.
Like if he were to just be clean of her,
he'd be making thirteen hundred a month. So is he not?
What is he doing? Like he's not he's not working.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot of things I could
assume here. I don't know if any would be true
or not.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Okay, well, now that we've gone through all the quotes
of the legal documents, and you want to make your
assumptions allegedly, as would you. Williams used to say on
her talk show, and he.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Was alleged allegedly. I think here's what happens in a
divorce settlement. Right, So he is probably able to quantify
in a truthful way that he makes thirteen hundred dollars
a month. Now, what that doesn't mean what we don't
know about that is right? He probably has an escorp
so he runs his own small business as a chiropractor.
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He's passing through probably a lot of expenses through the
es corp. So he might be bringing home at a
profit thirteen hundred dollars, but he's able to write off
a lot of food, his gym memberships, probably any type
of clothing that he wears because he's wearing at his
place of employment, and so he is able to write
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those expenses off and show that, yes, as a profit
as a source of income, making thirteen hundred dollars, when
he's you know, probably doing a lot better than that,
but he's just passing it through his business. So that's
what I assume here is he's financially his company is
more successful than this. But it's just like anybody for
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tax purposes, right, you write off as much as you
can and you cover, you know, you put it through
your business in a legal way, and then you don't
pay taxes on the revenue necessarily because you're showing a
massive amount of expenses.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (28:30):
It makes sense. But still to being betting and you're
saying that he's that's what he's like profiting, making making
like after all of his expenses, and which you are
saying is including food.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
And I'm sure he can write off food like he
can write off his lunches. He can probably write off
most dinners because if he's going to dinner with a
friend who's also a client of his that's tax deductible,
he can write that off because he's he's entertaining a
client within that within his business world, and so he
you know, I know a lot of millionaires, Ashley, who
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receive a negative income every year, so they're.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Not being taxed you way more aggressive.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
I can teach you that too. It just has to
be offline. But yeah, so that's what I'm assuming is
happening here. Also, when you are discussing finances, you are
going to be overly dramatic when it comes to not
only what you need to be spending, but also what
you're making. And so you're trying, you're trying to go
as far on each level as lain as possible so
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that you can settle somewhere in the middle, which will
be which both will be satisfied with. I don't know
if they'll actually be happy with it, but they'll be
satisfied with it and feel like, Okay, I want you one.
It's a negotiation, So they're at the start here, they're
going to be overly dramatic with both sides of it.
I've always been curious how standard of living is an
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argument within this, because I feel like part of you know,
these big decisions like getting into vorces that your standard
of living has to change, and so I don't know
how the courts will view or how the courts view that, Yes,
your standard of living needs to say the same thing,
same way, like you need to be going to catch
and you need to be going to NOBU.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
I don't get that six five hundred dollars in rent.
Well didn't they say that they bought a.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
House, Yeah, must be mortgage.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
So the mortgage, Like, yeah, you don't. You can live
a very nice life without spending sixty five hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Sure, So that's that's always a weird argument to me.
I don't know why the courts even justify it or
take that into consideration as standard of living, but they
obviously do in the state of California where this divorce
is happening. And then finally, what we're reading there, like
when it comes down into the wedding ring, they're they're
literally just looking at all of his assets, and so
they will, like a forensic accountant will literally go in
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and see what kind of clothes he has and she has,
what kind of app sets they have to their name,
and you will get in a sense, your net worth
from that, and then they will start to then work
backwards and so they're just looking at every asset you have,
down to your pens and your paper in your office,
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and how much of it you have and how much
value it has, and that will be on this line item.
It's crazy. It's a wildly long process. It's got to
be really frustrating because you're not only doing that with
that you're doing with furniture, you're doing with like everything
that you have under your name as a couple. They
will now have to value.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
I know, like this is really interesting for us to read, right,
but it's very awkward for the couple to have this so.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Weird sat and they're living together. Goodness gracious, that seems
so weird.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
But yeah, it says.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I mean, I think for a lot of people it
was shocking when they read that Brian is making thirteen
hundred dollars a month. There is more to that than
what meets the eye or so not lying. He's not lying.
I'm just sure there's a lot of pass through expensis.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Or what if he's just not working because he says that,
like the moves were a big detriment on there.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Maybe he's not. Maybe that's why I said. This is
all allegedly. I have no clue what I'm talking about
right now. This is all allegedly. He could not be working.
That could be very possible. Yeah, it just I would
assume he would. I always assume. I guess that he
would be working. Uh, we'll keep watching that. I mean,
it just now it feels like it's going to get messy.
There's no way that in the midst of a divorce
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finances are an easy discussion, and it sounds like it's
not going to need any easier. Can we just note
for a second, though, that there's video cameras now up like.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Whyd and she's tracking He's coming and going like why
does that matter?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I have no idea what. I just need to get
out of this.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
I'm living the life, I'm making the money. I'm the
sugar MoMA here like I, I don't care about where
you're going.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah, they just both one of them needs to get
out of there. That's my suggestion. That's my suggestion here
for them if this is almost get advice would be
like move out.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
They're not in an apartment, so they are in house,
which I guess probably.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Next headline is this The Bachelor's Daisy Kent shows off
new boyfriend Thor an ATV ride.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
This according to US Weekly.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
I got to see Daisy this week. She made an
appearance at Audrey's for her charity. It was really nice.
I chatted with her a little bit about Thor and
the fact that his name is Thor, Like how wild.
Apparently they're the name Thunder was actually on the list
for his parents to name him and they compromise with Thor.
(33:48):
So I think it's okay for us to say that
they're very much dating now. And she basically publicly out
of the two of them on her Instagram. This week
she showed the two of them on an ATV ride room.
She captured the clip. I suppose it this on Sunday.
They met in college at the San Diego State University
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and they reconnected after she left the show. They studied
abroad together with our producer Hannah, and what happened is
he reached out to her first, and it's just been
going really well. And they've been traveling all over recently,
including a trip with her family to Porto Vierta and
then a cabin in Utah. They also went to Stagey
(34:32):
Coach together and I remember her also posting like a
handholding picture this week.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Very sweet. Yes, Hannah, what do you know about Thor?
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Oh? Goodness, I love Thor. I'm a big fan of Thor.
I studied as a Thor, like at all.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
He does not Thor to me when I hear the name.
Thor is like this kind of big, scary guy and
he's like the nicest guy ever, would not hurt a bee, and.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
He is like you.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
They obviously when they started abroad, like you could see
the two of them being together, like there's chemistry between
the two of them.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Yes, they wet.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
They were dating when we all studied at Brown Barcelona,
and they're very cute. And I'm in full support of
this relationship.
Speaker 7 (35:17):
So I guess our question to you is if it
didn't work out before, then he shows interest again after
she's on the show, where is there?
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Do you feel strong about the two of them or
do you feel like he's kind of the guy that
comes back into your life after she becomes famous and
very much wanted by not only Joey but by lots
of other men. That's such a question.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
Actually, I just don't think that xes like xes are
exes for a reason. But I do know that it
can work sometimes. So I'm hoping that it works for
them and and they get and they get to have
this work out.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
This time, we'll see.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Thank you, very happy, very appreciate your journalism.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Horrible journalism. Love it.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Uh So we got Daisy and Thor together.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
We also have another relationship to launch here at the
Almost Famous podcast, Susan Knowles share she is dating a
man she met in Marshalls.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
This.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
If this isn't a Golden Bachelor's story, I don't know
what is.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
This is the best story ever, relatable on so many levels,
but just yeah, most perfect for the Golden chapter. Susan
has met a man at Marshall's and which is a
little depressing because that means that she can't be the
next Golden Bachelorette. And she's like basically the names herself,
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you know, I feel like she would have loved to
be the next Golden Bachelorette, and she's remained perhaps most
relevant of the whole team over there from that cast.
But let's dive into this relationship. So she's been on
a few dates with a man that she's met at Marshall's.
He bought a new home and he was going to
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get some things that he needed and he asked to
take his selfie. He's I don't know how old. Oh
he's I don't know how old he is, But she's
she's sixty seven. She says, I can't go grocery shopping
without somebody recognizing me. And this is Philly, this city
of brother we love. We all know everyone here, and
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that's that's what we've got right now.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
I mean, the fact that they met in Marshall is amazing.
The fact that she's dating a man is amazing. She
is awesome, she's a lot of fun. I'm very excited
for her, and I'm sure she'll be talking about it
more and more throughout the next couple of months. But
she's dating again. And here's the thing. We've been around
a bunch of the women from the Golden Bachelor over
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the last few months, and many of them have not
started dating again.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
And so It's.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Really great for me to hear that one of them
is dating, because it's kind of going to be a
waterfall effect where now they all start to get back
out there again because they all want to.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
That's the other thing.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
We want one to meet it at a homes We
want one to meet a guy out a TJ Max,
another one at a ross.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
I would throw I would throw in cracker barrel.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Cracker barrel would be cool.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
That'd be fun.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
And who knows, maybe the four o'clock happy hour night
at the clubhouse.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
That sounds cool too.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Any Way, love can find love, even if it's at Iheartfest.
We're happy about it. We celebrate it here. That's a
famous podcast.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
We got a full circle moment.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Right, isn't that special? That's been all the headlines we
have for you today. Goodness, gracious, there were some headlines.
We'll be back next week with more almost famous podcasts
and great episodes coming your way. Obviously, Caitlin and Bristow's
out there, Chris Soul's interview is now out there. We
have more interviews coming and we cannot wait for you
to listen. As I sign off here in Denver, Colorado.
(39:09):
It is currently a blizzard outside my house, and it
is May seventh. Goodness gracious, life is good. So until
next time, I've been Ben, I've Been Ashley.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
This is the Almost Famous podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
It's a week of headlines in Bachelor Nation, and way
too many of them include me, which I'm not comfortable with.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I'm not used to.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
But I think we got three of them this week.
That's got to be a record.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Well, there's one that doesn't really count because it happened
on our podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Oh okay, fair, yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
But are you ready to start with your interrogation here?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
You can start, okay.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
So the first hot topic is just the weirdest thing.
So over the weekend, Tom Pullman, who is like a
higher up at iHeart we see him occasionally at iHeart events,
he posted a picture of you, Lauren Lane, your former
experience E, and her now husband, Chris Lane, and it
(00:56):
was a piece of pictures and it was really weird
because it was like, this is the night that Chris
Lane met her his wife eight years ago.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
And like it is and it would have been actually
relative and relatively maybe normal if he had poked fun
at the fact that you're sandwiched between and that they met.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
And it's like he made fun of the fact that
that they met when you and her were still very
much together, but there was no mention of this. So
it's just awkward because you're just present in all the
pictures and it's almost as if they're pretending that you
don't exist. And you texted us right off the bat
(01:46):
after seeing this and being like is this weird? Is
it okay? And I feel weird about this? And then
it got weirder a few hours later. Can you tell
us your initial feelings? Because this is just Tom Pullman's Instagram.
I'm not a huge deal.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
You know, he has quite a few followers, He's a
big he's a big deal at Iheart's.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
At iHeart, But like he's not like a celebrity or
even a dealist celebrity or reality star.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, I mean so Tom Pullman has always and I
have always been very friendly and it's always been good
to see him at these events.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I took it as hey, this is I feel weird
about this that he's posting this because I thought it
put Chris and Lauren in a very awkward situation right
like these pictures I thought would feel weird to them
and would feel weird to them, and as a result,
I felt weird about that. I also just felt weird
that there was pictures of Laura and I together again, Like,
(02:42):
I haven't seen a picture of Laura and I posted
in a long time.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Do you think that he remembers that you guys were together?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I don't, because I don't think he's like a huge
fan of the show. Like I think he remembers it
being a night that we were all at Iheartfest, and
he has documentation of Chris and Lauren meeting, and he's
obviously still close with Chris because Chris is still putting
out music with you know, and going on iHeart and
so I don't think Tom even understood the connection maybe
(03:10):
of oh yeah, and at this time Lauren and been
ord together, Like I just don't. I don't think he
was like computing that. I think it was more documenting
the fact that Chris and Lauren were meeting and he
had it on, you know, with pictures.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah, and did he was he the one I'm looking
right now? Is he the one who posted a picture
of them reenacting their meeting?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Yes, Okay, so just this weekend. The reason this came
up was because this weekend was iHeart Country Music Festival,
and Chris and Lauren were there. So he took another
picture with them, so he just kind of wanted to
be like here they are married eight years later. And
then a couple hours later it got way weirder. Chris
(03:53):
reposted Tom's posts and again, doesn't mention you. I mean,
that's like her husband now with and posted pictures of
her ex fiance. That's like a gutsy move regardless, let
alone to not poke fun at it. So what happened there.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Well, I'm starting to get the feeling that, you know,
I did not exist within this moment, and I don't
think I did.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
That's what I told you. I was like, they're not
trying to take shots at you. They just fully ignored
you because like, I don't exists in the storyline.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah. I wasn't even like a hurdle.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I was just like there as like a as a
spaceholder to until they could, you know, meet each other
and fall in love with each other.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
You know, initially I did. I texted the group. I
was like, I feel weird about this. I don't even
know how to feel about this. It was one of
those moments actually where you don't know how you're supposed
to feel, honestly, and I've always had this kind of philosophy,
especially over the last you know, five years, maybe as
I've fallen in love myself and maybe matured a little
(05:04):
bit where it's been like, I'm really glad that they
met how they met, Like, yes, there was definitely pains involved,
and yes it wasn't like the easiest road to watch
somebody you cared about at some point in your life
date somebody else like that happens was you know, that
would just happen in general after a breakup for anybody.
And then you get to the point where're like, wait,
but it all worked out really beautifully, Like it just
(05:26):
wasn't like perfectly pretty through the whole thing, right, And
so I was like, I don't know exactly I'm supposed
to feel about it. And then I got a text
from Chris very nice, it's very nice of him.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yes he did it within minutes of posting it.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Well he did, And I think, you know, I don't
know the mindset one hundred percent going into it, but
I do know that he probably based in the comments,
was like, hey, this might Ben might feel like I'm
taking a jab at him. And as I've mentioned before,
I really like Chris. He's a great, dude, We've gotten
a golf together. I have nothing but respect for him.
I'm so happy that you know, he and and found
each other and they have a family together, Like, oh,
(06:02):
that's so good. And there's never been this like animosity,
and honestly, there's never even been a weirdness because for me,
it's like, hey, I'm glad things are where they're at.
And I'm sure he's saying I'm glad things are where
they're at, like things are good.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I mentioned one thing sure when I saw this screenshot.
He's the screenshot of your conversation with Chris, and I
saw that you guys had last texted on Wednesday, and
then it made a little bit more sense. He's like, oh, okay, well,
if they're chatting about golf every now and again, he
probably feels comfortable enough with Ben. But I think that
(06:36):
if I had to do it, I would be like, hey,
do you mind if no, I.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Don't know if well, I mean, I I don't think
he has to ask me for permission to how he
uses his own proprietary media, right, I mean if I
think the only thing there that would have been appropriate
is after he saw the comments and kind of how
I'm getting involved in the comments. I think he was
probably like, hey, I just want to make sure Ben
(07:02):
knows I'm not like taking a shot at him.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Uh, And which is all I would ask.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Because you did comment underneath the picture before. No, No,
I did ask to comment after he texted.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I did it after he texted because I was like, Hey,
I want everybody out there to know this is my
my mindset when it came to making a comment on it.
I want everybody to know that I can laugh at
this because I think all three of us involved in
this situation would admit, yes, this is weird, right. That's
one Like, Also, I want to make a comment on
this to know that I fully support the two of them,
(07:36):
you know, yeah, doing whatever they want to do in
their lives publicly as a couple, Like I have no
problem that I'm in this picture with them as a couple,
and that I am definitely now like the fourth wheel.
When I initially thought I was very much involved in
that picture, I am. You can now you know, time
will now show that I am definitely the fourth wheel,
(07:57):
third wheel if anything, in that picture. And so it
meant a lot that he texted me and meant a
lot that he cared enough to text me, and I
wanted to make a comment just so people knew that
I am fully behind, you know, their love story. However
it happened, whenever it happened. Yeah, still felt weird about it, though,
I mean I still felt like.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Very like uh.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I just didn't know how to feel. I guess would
be the best way to say it. I didn't know
if I should comment. I didn't know if I should
like the picture. I didn't know if this was a
shot of me until he texted me and said that,
And what did you.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Write the comments? Whatever?
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
It was very funny.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah, I just said I had big, big plans for
the two of them, like that. I was setting this
up at the beginning.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
A reference to this song, big big Plans that he
wrote about Lauren.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, yeah, number one, huge hit, massive hit. And then
I said, I knew I shouldn't let you two stand
next to each other in that photo. And I do
remember that night very clearly, and I remember being like, Hey,
it's cool that Lauren's meeting Chris Lane. I know she's
a fan of Chris Lane. I know she likes his music.
This is cool, right, we get to do these kind
of things at these events. This is awesome, and so
(09:07):
I never thought anything of it until obviously the two
of them, you know, fine love together. I don't think
at that time I really expected things to work out
like they have. Yeah, again, I want to be very clear,
I am very glad things worked out the way they did.
And I really think the two of them are a
(09:28):
great match together, and they're very you know, they have
a beautiful family together. I just I think the way
I could explain this was I was in one of
those moments where I was like, I don't know how
I should feel about this until he texted me, because
I think initially I was like, is this a shot
at me? Is it not a shot at me? Is
this just more of like a random thing that's happening.
(09:50):
And then when he texted me, I was like, this,
he doesn't mean anything ill will by this.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's just I never really thought.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
It was ill will. It's just like straight ignoring, and.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, that's mine too.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I can get ignored a little awkward just to be like.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, I mean, you know what, like at the end
of the day, at some point in my life, like
I will be ignored by most people, and that's what
I'm just getting used to it now, Like this is
a good prep for me to continue to just kind
of get pushed into the background and I'm just around,
Like you'll just see me and random picture and be
like who's that guy?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Like who's who's he?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
That's a testament of like how long you have been around.
It's like it's been eight years, so maybe we've gotten
to the point where it's just like that's such far
past history that like it is just kind of like, oh,
this is what we met, and like the fact that
you're with this other guy isn't that big of a
deal because you've ben.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
He's harmless, that poor guy is look at it. Look
at that being dude. He's a harmless he's he's got
no edge. That guy's just there. He's just happy. He's
just going along for the ride. He's excited to meet
me too.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
This funny stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
It was wild.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
It was on good terms. And there's no twisting to
this story. You know, yes, comes across the weird in
some ways, but also we see the fun and we've
laughed at it and it's been a good story for us.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah, I think it's I think that's the way to say.
There's no twisting this, there's no behind the scenes like
drama here. I will always in fact. Here's the thing.
There has been many moments that I've been golfing with
Chris where I'm like, I want to leverage this, like
how you know what, Like this is a good moment,
Like how do we get some attention because we're golfing together.
(11:28):
There's nothing more to this than I think the night
they first met, finding the pictures of it, showing it,
and you know what, based on what was happening at
the time. Yes, I was there. I was very much there,
very much involved, and I just happened to be there
for their first meeting. And that's why I said I
had big, big plans for the.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Two of you.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
This was all a part of the big plan. This
is all a part of the setup. I knew that
if you know what, she didn't find love on the show,
she would find love through our relationship.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I'll take credit for that.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Ben. Before we move on, I just have one question.
You said that you weren't like feeling as if he
was like a thread or anything, you know, but did
you feel like any flirt, flirty vibes between the two
of them, like was she smiling at back then hard
and like looking at him in the eyes a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah, I don't even know if I was paying attention
to the like the way they're communicating with each other.
I do remember that night because it was one of
my first iheartfests and that was a big deal. Uh,
And it was obviously a lot of fun because we
kind of had the backstage pass. I remember meeting a
lot of cool people, and I honestly that's how I
took it, was, We're we're meeting one more really cool person,
(12:40):
and this person happens to be really nice because they're
conversing a lot, you know, like they're talking and I'm
talking to him too, and I was also talking to
Tom Pullman, and so I was, you know, kind of
within the mix. I remember him being very nice and
then saying, hey, you guys should come to a show sometime.
(13:00):
And so, if anything, I just remember Crisp being nice
and more talkative than most you know, people there, because
a lot of times, like you meet these people and
they kind of like pass you by, especially when you're
like on reality television. You know, you're in the back
room with them and they're like kind of give you
a little high and walk past. Chris was very friendly
and maybe maybe that's all he was. I don't know
(13:21):
if there was any flirting or not, but I never
did feel I never walked away from that event being like, hey,
you guys are gonna get married one day.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Did he seem to be a Bachelor fan? Because I
remember he is? Yeah, I thought so he was.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I don't know if he.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Still is natural because he was fans of you guys,
so hind to linger around a little bit would have
been normal.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, he he used to be. I don't know if
he still is or not, but he used to be
a Bachelor fan. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's mostly like,
you know what, I really love Ashley to close this up.
I like when we can laugh and actually find humor
in some of the hardest and most like confusing moments
(14:04):
of our lives. Because eight or seven years ago, six
years ago, whenever, that was like this, like the breakup
was a really big deal to me, as you remember, like,
it was a really hard season of life for me,
and I'm sure for her in a lot of ways too.
I don't but I don't know personally, but for me
speaking to me, it was a really hard season of
just asking a lot of questions and feeling like this
(14:24):
whole thing wasn't worth it, and wondering and questioning. And
now six years later, you can look back and make
fun of it and laugh at it and be like,
isn't it so great? How these tough moments when when
you're in them, they feel like you're never going to
get out of them, and you feel like it's a
cyclone of chaos and confusion and sadness. And now you
look back and you're like, it all works out, like
(14:45):
it does, and let's laugh at that, because if not,
what are we doing? Like, like, let's giggle at the
fact that, yes, they did meet at Iheartfest and I'm
in all those pictures. I think it's hilarious. I think
it's funny, and I think it's exactly how I want
my life to be, is a consistent, like comedy reel
of awkward moments that I just happened to find myself
(15:05):
in totally.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
And sometimes you even get like weirdly nostalgic towards the pain.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, you're like, goodness, that was a that was a
season like that was crazy, right.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I overcame it and like you realize that everything is good.
But you know, it's a funny story that my sister
and I thought of. I was telling her how you
are going to come to DC in a month, and
how we're going to We're going to hang you can
hang out our family And I was like, well, what's
the last time you like hung out with Ben? And
she's like, it's been a while. She's like, but I
will always remember when you guys just started the podcast.
(15:37):
He was like, in La doing press. Maybe you guys
would recorded like a teaser, like a beginning podcast. And
he took a nap on our couch and she was like,
I can't believe that Ben Higgins is hitting your napbar couch.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I was too, I take naps. I do.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
That's hilarious. Yeah, isn't it funny how life moves on?
Speaker 4 (15:58):
I was like, wow, Wow, man is a celebrity looking
ab out there snoring. You're like the cutest sleeper. I
think that everybody out there can think of a sleeping
and be like, yeah, that man would sleep real.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I just cuddle up a little ball.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Exact what you do?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
You're like, I do I liked you.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I can't wait. I can't wait to see your family,
and this is Yeah. So anybody that saw this post
here is just just laugh at it and love it
and support Chris as he goes off and does more
music and incredible things. That's That's the best part of
this whole thing is that I'm really glad as we
did two years ago. We met at the Hilton Grant
Vacations and we're able to now have this friendship where
(16:38):
he can text me and say, hey man, this was
not a shot at you, and I'm like, I get it,
I get it. It's totally cool. There's another headline, Ashley,
that we've been brought up in. If you haven't listened
(16:59):
to the interview with Kaitlyn Bristow yet that we did,
it's really very much worth listening to, Ashley. We're just
going to kind of summarize I guess the interview based
on this headline, just so people can go back and
listen to it. But the headline says this, Kaitlyn Bristow
and Ben Higgins were hurt when exis said their bachelor
romances weren't real.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Yeah, So we had Kitlyn on last week for almost
an hour. The episode is really interesting. We first had
Kaitlyn on because because Ben and Caitlyn had some like
fake beef that.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I don't know if it was fake.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
I don't fake.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
It was not.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
It was not fake in my world for a good
twelve hours.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
It was, but it was not existing in Caitlyn's heart.
But yes, there was some tension there and again funny jokes.
You know, we texted back and forth. Ben was like
Caitlyn like, I don't know, you know, am I a
feeling too? Blah blah blah. She comes on. They hashed
that out in the first fifteen minutes. But then they
(18:01):
get to some very interesting stuff and that includes a
interview or a podcast that that Sean Booth did well
with Lauren Bushnell now Lane over the summer, and in
this interview, two of them talk about like the legitimacy
of the love that they felt between you and her
(18:24):
and then Caitlin and John, and in which Sean sort
of makes it seem like Kitlin may have not been
like one of the great loves of his life. And
both you guys admit that hearing them talk about, hearing
them downplay the love that you guys experience was very hurtful.
(18:45):
So if you guys want to hear them talk about this,
make sure to listen to the Kaitlyn Brister episode of
the podcast that came out last week.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I mean, I think Caitlyn also is in this like
very sensitive space right now right her. There's a lot
of love things things going on in her life.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
You mean, the fact that we can say that Kat
Strickler and Jason pretty much have their relationship confirmed, not
through a hard launch on Instagram, but people is reporting
that they are official couple today.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah, I mean, I think at this point we'd be
mistaken if we did not assume they are very much together. Yeah,
and so I'm sure Caitlin's sensitive to a lot right
now sense.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
For real, but also not at all disturbed by him.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Danny, oh goodness all over. You know, Yes, I think
she's very much moved on and passed. I just think that,
you know, no matter what, when you spend time with somebody,
these wounds are still open at some level and they
kind of sting a bit and you're just kind of
processing it all. And so when you know when that happens,
(19:52):
then you know that you know your ex from the
show also says, Hey, it wasn't real. I'm sure you
question it like if you haven't found on that true
love since then you're questioning like did it mean anything?
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Have I ever has anything ever meant anything? And so
Caylen's in it. And the quod part about Kaitlyn in
our interview is she's so vulnerable and honest about where
she's feeling and how she's feeling things. And you'll just
get to know I think Caitlin better.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
And she is.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
A storm of emotions and she is reacting to those
emotions consistently. And that's why we love her because you
always know where Caitlin's at on a good day and
a bad day, you know where she's at. Yep, you
know where she's at. Another big headline, this one, This
one's getting difficult.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I would say this one's interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Rachel Lindsay and Brian finance, they're okay, So we're gonna inside. Look,
I guess the best way to say this into Rachel
Lindsay and Brian's finances because he requested spouse's support in DeVore.
So that's public record. It's starting. It's out there for
everybody to know now. And so Ashley as this divorce
(21:10):
announcement happened, you know, it was. It's been a fairly
like I would say, amicable process so far. This does
start to feel like things, especially some of the stuff
written that you'll break down, that things aren't as maybe
easy as what we've maybe seen publicly.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Right, and they're still living together currently.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
That to me happens.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
It happens in these you know, in divorces and breakups,
Like it's not uncommon to me when I hear this.
I feel for both of them because there's nothing that
I would rather not do than live with the person
that I've just like ended things with and that.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
You're like going to court against.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Like how do you do that? And I think they
live in like apartment and so they're like, you can't hide.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah, So I'm going to read a lot of these
verbatim since it is legal stuff and I don't want
to mess things up. So in May, court documents that
were obtained by s Weekly say that he requested an
emergency spousal support and the former bachelorette was requested to
cover at least seventy five thousand dollars in legal fees.
(22:26):
He claimed that she is using her marital funds to
pay for her own legal funds, but refuses to let
him access the money. Okay, what would be their marital funds?
Would that be money that was made after they got married? Yes,
because they don't have a prenup.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
They don't.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I mean no, it doesn't sound like they have a prenup.
Marital funds are the funds that would have been made
after they got married. There is, you know, they both
are entitled to that at some level.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
So she's using like probably a joint account to come
he's accusing her of using a joint account to cover legal.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Fees or just anything made. It doesn't have to be
a joint account. It's like anything made is up for
discussion in a diverse set of you know.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
The quote is, I am informed and believe that Rachel
has been using our community property monies to pay for
her divorce lawyer and forensic accountant, while refusing to give
me access to any of the community property funds to
pay my divorce lawyer, my forensic accountant, or any of
my personal expenses. Okay, you want to break that down,
(23:35):
send that sentence down. So basically, if she's using money
that they have made post marriage, he should be able
to do the exact same. Yes, all right, And.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Now now it does vary by state to state, like
each state has different laws and rules on who's entitled
to what and how much. I think the outside of no,
the numbers and percentages here, what we can assume is
she's using money that was made post you know, them
(24:09):
getting married for these fine you know, for these expenses,
and somehow along the way he is not able to
get this money as well, so she.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Like has him locked out of the accounts.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Perhaps maybe he never had access.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
I don't know, gotcha, Okay, So then it says I
placed this is you know from Brian. I placed my
career as a chiropractor on hold twice to move for
Rachel's career. These moves were detrimental to my chiropractic business,
while Rachel's income and success as a media personality has skyrocketed.
(24:44):
It says there's some cold quotes in here. It says
mids amidst Lindsay's success, they had an upper class marital
standard of living, as they dined at celebrity hotspots such
as Nobu and Catch and traveled around the world, with
Brian noting that they frequently, if not always, a flu
business class and stayed in the fineness of hotels. It
(25:07):
says that Brian now claims to make thirteen hundred dollars
per month, which is less than his reoccurring expenses. His
reoccurring expenses, according to the document, says that he pays
six thousand, five hundred dollars in rent each month, one
thousand dollars in restaurant meals, fifteen hundred in groceries, and
(25:31):
twenty five hundred in entertainment, and his I don't know
why they robson here, but his wedding band is also
allegedly worth one thousand dollars, and he's seeking financial assistance
from Rachel to be able to relocate from their shared
La home. They are both still living together but avoid
(25:51):
each other. He also says that Rachel has put up
security cameras to monitor his comings and goings, without sharing
the viewing credentials of these cameras. I want to move
out of our family residents as soon as possible, but
maintaining our standard of living is not financially feasible at
(26:11):
this time. It does so that they have previously lived
in a luxurious a luxury condominium in West Hollywood before
buying a beautiful house in North Hollywood, which included them
having a landscape or a pool cleaner and a housekeeper
to maintain the property. Okay, so they've they've been living
(26:34):
the life and totally.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Go I just eight leftovers by the way, But.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Like I'm he's living off of thirteen hundred a month.
Like if he were to just be clean of her,
he'd be making thirteen hundred a month. So is he not?
What is he doing? Like he's not he's not working.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot of things I could
assume here. I don't know if any would be true
or not.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Okay, well, now that we've gone through all the quotes
of the legal documents, and you want to make your
assumptions allegedly, as would you. Williams used to say on
her talk show, and he.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Was alleged allegedly. I think here's what happens in a
divorce settlement. Right, So he is probably able to quantify
in a truthful way that he makes thirteen hundred dollars
a month. Now, what that doesn't mean what we don't
know about that is right? He probably has an escorp
so he runs his own small business as a chiropractor.
(27:33):
He's passing through probably a lot of expenses through the
es corp. So he might be bringing home at a
profit thirteen hundred dollars, but he's able to write off
a lot of food, his gym memberships, probably any type
of clothing that he wears because he's wearing at his
place of employment, and so he is able to write
(27:54):
those expenses off and show that, yes, as a profit
as a source of income, making thirteen hundred dollars, when
he's you know, probably doing a lot better than that,
but he's just passing it through his business. So that's
what I assume here is he's financially his company is
more successful than this. But it's just like anybody for
(28:15):
tax purposes, right, you write off as much as you
can and you cover, you know, you put it through
your business in a legal way, and then you don't
pay taxes on the revenue necessarily because you're showing a
massive amount of expenses.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (28:30):
It makes sense. But still to being betting and you're
saying that he's that's what he's like profiting, making making
like after all of his expenses, and which you are
saying is including food.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
And I'm sure he can write off food like he
can write off his lunches. He can probably write off
most dinners because if he's going to dinner with a
friend who's also a client of his that's tax deductible,
he can write that off because he's he's entertaining a
client within that within his business world, and so he
you know, I know a lot of millionaires, Ashley, who
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receive a negative income every year, so they're.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Not being taxed you way more aggressive.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
I can teach you that too. It just has to
be offline. But yeah, so that's what I'm assuming is
happening here. Also, when you are discussing finances, you are
going to be overly dramatic when it comes to not
only what you need to be spending, but also what
you're making. And so you're trying, you're trying to go
as far on each level as lain as possible so
(29:36):
that you can settle somewhere in the middle, which will
be which both will be satisfied with. I don't know
if they'll actually be happy with it, but they'll be
satisfied with it and feel like, Okay, I want you one.
It's a negotiation, So they're at the start here, they're
going to be overly dramatic with both sides of it.
I've always been curious how standard of living is an
(29:57):
argument within this, because I feel like part of you know,
these big decisions like getting into vorces that your standard
of living has to change, and so I don't know
how the courts will view or how the courts view that, Yes,
your standard of living needs to say the same thing,
same way, like you need to be going to catch
and you need to be going to NOBU.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
I don't get that six five hundred dollars in rent.
Well didn't they say that they bought a.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
House, Yeah, must be mortgage.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
So the mortgage, Like, yeah, you don't. You can live
a very nice life without spending sixty five hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Sure, So that's that's always a weird argument to me.
I don't know why the courts even justify it or
take that into consideration as standard of living, but they
obviously do in the state of California where this divorce
is happening. And then finally, what we're reading there, like
when it comes down into the wedding ring, they're they're
literally just looking at all of his assets, and so
they will, like a forensic accountant will literally go in
(30:55):
and see what kind of clothes he has and she has,
what kind of app sets they have to their name,
and you will get in a sense, your net worth
from that, and then they will start to then work
backwards and so they're just looking at every asset you have,
down to your pens and your paper in your office,
(31:16):
and how much of it you have and how much
value it has, and that will be on this line item.
It's crazy. It's a wildly long process. It's got to
be really frustrating because you're not only doing that with
that you're doing with furniture, you're doing with like everything
that you have under your name as a couple. They
will now have to value.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
I know, like this is really interesting for us to read, right,
but it's very awkward for the couple to have this so.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Weird sat and they're living together. Goodness gracious, that seems
so weird.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
But yeah, it says.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I mean, I think for a lot of people it
was shocking when they read that Brian is making thirteen
hundred dollars a month. There is more to that than
what meets the eye or so not lying. He's not lying.
I'm just sure there's a lot of pass through expensis.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Or what if he's just not working because he says that,
like the moves were a big detriment on there.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Maybe he's not. Maybe that's why I said. This is
all allegedly. I have no clue what I'm talking about
right now. This is all allegedly. He could not be working.
That could be very possible. Yeah, it just I would
assume he would. I always assume. I guess that he
would be working. Uh, we'll keep watching that. I mean,
it just now it feels like it's going to get messy.
There's no way that in the midst of a divorce
(32:29):
finances are an easy discussion, and it sounds like it's
not going to need any easier. Can we just note
for a second, though, that there's video cameras now up like.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Whyd and she's tracking He's coming and going like why
does that matter?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I have no idea what. I just need to get
out of this.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
I'm living the life, I'm making the money. I'm the
sugar MoMA here like I, I don't care about where
you're going.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah, they just both one of them needs to get
out of there. That's my suggestion. That's my suggestion here
for them if this is almost get advice would be
like move out.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
They're not in an apartment, so they are in house,
which I guess probably.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Next headline is this The Bachelor's Daisy Kent shows off
new boyfriend Thor an ATV ride.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
This according to US Weekly.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
I got to see Daisy this week. She made an
appearance at Audrey's for her charity. It was really nice.
I chatted with her a little bit about Thor and
the fact that his name is Thor, Like how wild.
Apparently they're the name Thunder was actually on the list
for his parents to name him and they compromise with Thor.
(33:48):
So I think it's okay for us to say that
they're very much dating now. And she basically publicly out
of the two of them on her Instagram. This week
she showed the two of them on an ATV ride room.
She captured the clip. I suppose it this on Sunday.
They met in college at the San Diego State University
(34:11):
and they reconnected after she left the show. They studied
abroad together with our producer Hannah, and what happened is
he reached out to her first, and it's just been
going really well. And they've been traveling all over recently,
including a trip with her family to Porto Vierta and
then a cabin in Utah. They also went to Stagey
(34:32):
Coach together and I remember her also posting like a
handholding picture this week.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Very sweet. Yes, Hannah, what do you know about Thor?
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Oh? Goodness, I love Thor. I'm a big fan of Thor.
I studied as a Thor, like at all.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
He does not Thor to me when I hear the name.
Thor is like this kind of big, scary guy and
he's like the nicest guy ever, would not hurt a bee, and.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
He is like you.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
They obviously when they started abroad, like you could see
the two of them being together, like there's chemistry between
the two of them.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Yes, they wet.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
They were dating when we all studied at Brown Barcelona,
and they're very cute. And I'm in full support of
this relationship.
Speaker 7 (35:17):
So I guess our question to you is if it
didn't work out before, then he shows interest again after
she's on the show, where is there?
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Do you feel strong about the two of them or
do you feel like he's kind of the guy that
comes back into your life after she becomes famous and
very much wanted by not only Joey but by lots
of other men. That's such a question.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
Actually, I just don't think that xes like xes are
exes for a reason. But I do know that it
can work sometimes. So I'm hoping that it works for
them and and they get and they get to have
this work out.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
This time, we'll see.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Thank you, very happy, very appreciate your journalism.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Horrible journalism. Love it.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Uh So we got Daisy and Thor together.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
We also have another relationship to launch here at the
Almost Famous podcast, Susan Knowles share she is dating a
man she met in Marshalls.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
This.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
If this isn't a Golden Bachelor's story, I don't know
what is.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
This is the best story ever, relatable on so many levels,
but just yeah, most perfect for the Golden chapter. Susan
has met a man at Marshall's and which is a
little depressing because that means that she can't be the
next Golden Bachelorette. And she's like basically the names herself,
(36:51):
you know, I feel like she would have loved to
be the next Golden Bachelorette, and she's remained perhaps most
relevant of the whole team over there from that cast.
But let's dive into this relationship. So she's been on
a few dates with a man that she's met at Marshall's.
He bought a new home and he was going to
(37:12):
get some things that he needed and he asked to
take his selfie. He's I don't know how old. Oh
he's I don't know how old he is, But she's
she's sixty seven. She says, I can't go grocery shopping
without somebody recognizing me. And this is Philly, this city
of brother we love. We all know everyone here, and
(37:38):
that's that's what we've got right now.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
I mean, the fact that they met in Marshall is amazing.
The fact that she's dating a man is amazing. She
is awesome, she's a lot of fun. I'm very excited
for her, and I'm sure she'll be talking about it
more and more throughout the next couple of months. But
she's dating again. And here's the thing. We've been around
a bunch of the women from the Golden Bachelor over
(38:02):
the last few months, and many of them have not
started dating again.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
And so It's.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Really great for me to hear that one of them
is dating, because it's kind of going to be a
waterfall effect where now they all start to get back
out there again because they all want to.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
That's the other thing.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
We want one to meet it at a homes We
want one to meet a guy out a TJ Max,
another one at a ross.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
I would throw I would throw in cracker barrel.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Cracker barrel would be cool.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
That'd be fun.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
And who knows, maybe the four o'clock happy hour night
at the clubhouse.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
That sounds cool too.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Any Way, love can find love, even if it's at Iheartfest.
We're happy about it. We celebrate it here. That's a
famous podcast.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
We got a full circle moment.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Right, isn't that special? That's been all the headlines we
have for you today. Goodness, gracious, there were some headlines.
We'll be back next week with more almost famous podcasts
and great episodes coming your way. Obviously, Caitlin and Bristow's
out there, Chris Soul's interview is now out there. We
have more interviews coming and we cannot wait for you
to listen. As I sign off here in Denver, Colorado.
(39:09):
It is currently a blizzard outside my house, and it
is May seventh. Goodness gracious, life is good. So until
next time, I've been Ben, I've Been Ashley.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
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