October 12, 2023 • 22 mins
This week, Amara has a one-on-one conversation with influencer and content creator Kelvin Davis to dive into the topic: Is the modern-day influencer disappearing or evolving? Amara and Kelvin explore the shifting landscape of influencer culture, discussing the factors driving change and how it impacts authenticity.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to my show. I know that's right. It's your girl, man,
and you're listening to exactly I'm a Amia Motor production
of iHeart. Thank you so much for tuning in. They
ko much could ask us, and don't forget to give
us those five stars. Subscribe to the podcast on your
favorite podcast platform. I check out my music shows and interviews,
everything I've been doing lately. Because you know, a girl
(00:24):
keeps baby on today's episode. You know what, this is
such a juicy topic and we could talk about it
all day because we won't be talking about influencers. Influencers,
the evolution of influencers. How the hell did we get here?
How do we get from like when we first came
up with like MySpace, your top five friends and all
(00:46):
this great stuff to all the way now where we
have TikTokers and you know, little kids doing YouTube videos
and making millions and millions of dollars, and just the
way that the Internet and social media has evolved into
the way than now people are creating careers and all
that type of crazy stuff out of it. Arlene is
my girl. She's in here today. Arlene, my love. How
(01:07):
are you and what do you think about the whole
social media influencer thing.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
This is a wild topic because, according to the Data
Bridge Market Research, by twenty twenty nine, the influencer industry
is gonna be worth sixty nine billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Way, why I better get myself in some of that.
So we have a very special guest.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Y'all may recognize his sexy voice. His name is Kelvin Davis.
He's gonna be hopping on to help us out with
his topic. He's a renowned social media expert an influencer himself.
Y'all may know him from notoriously dapper Kelvin. You bring
a wealth of knowledge and unique insights for this particular topic.
(01:55):
Join us, bring on your energy and tell us how
you feel about this topic.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Right, let's get it. Thank you for having me again.
I'm going to go ahead and start off by giving
myself my old flowers. Okay, I am one of the
I'm one of the ogs. I'm wanted the originators, like
I'm talking to them like back twenty twelve. You know
what I'm saying. We're talking about eleven years in the game. Okay,
everybody wants to show the highlights, don't nobody want to
(02:21):
talk about the realness of what they go through in life.
There's a lot of non transparency.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
People be lying Yeah, I know, that's right.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Yeah, they be lying saying they got this and that
and how they.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Got it, And it's bologney. It's a fake perfection of
a lifestyle that you really don't have. Why don't you
talk about when you ain't got no money, you ain't
got no gas money. Why don't you talk about you
can't pay your bills? Why can't we because I know
you when I discussed it in the past episode, Why
can't you be vulnerable publicly without feeling like you're judging
people to actually come and comfort you and just be
part of a community, of a society where we're here
(02:55):
for each other. Why can't we do that? You know?
Why don't you say to that outfit that sauty you
got on, you're gonna go back and return and get
your money back. Why aren't we speaking the truth about it?
And let me tell you Once upon a time I
learned from an influencer. She was like, I was like, damn, bitch,
you be eating real good. Like where do you be going?
She's like, I'd be going to Google And I'm like
(03:15):
how do you do that? She's like, oh, yeah, yeah,
I just go to Google. I search whatever restaurant or
like really nice and you can actually look for it
like Instagram highlight food and the food whoever else took
the picture she would just screenshot and putting her into
story and it makes it look like she was eating it.
And I was like, you really weren't there. She's like, no,
I was home. So now you can't trust it. You
(03:39):
cannot trust it may be showcasing this bougie life that
they really aren't living they you know, And I think
that that's fine to a certain extent because coming from
an artist, coming from an influencer myself, a celebrity of whatever,
the kids may be a public figure. I've done it,
you know, I've done it because part of this is
really what an artist is, besides the talent, because I
(03:59):
think that back in the day it was more about
the talent than it is now. It's about the illusion.
The fantasy. It's a fantasy. I am going to showcase
you the lifestyle that you wish you could live, but
you can't, right because the financial because of whatever the
caids may be. So the artist gives you the illusion.
All the luxury, the jewelry, the bags, the cars, the food.
(04:20):
This that's why we follow these women, That's why we
follow these artists. They are here throwing money up in
the air, but when the camera's off, they're right there
picking it up, right, But you don't see that part.
So it's kind of good because it's like, Wow, I
love this lifestyle when you perceive it, when you see it.
But it's bad because it also makes people feel as
if they have to live that same lifestyle, you know.
(04:42):
But at the same time, not necessarily all of it
is fake. I've seen a lot of people that made
a lot of money from social media and they are
creating a lifestyle for themselves.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
There's so much money to be made up for brand deals,
especially when you market yourself like you know, for me,
you know, I make it a decent amount of money
being an influencer, and you know, I'm very marketable to
like brands that are like Target Gap all those kind
of brands, right, you know, I'm very marketable to those
brands because of the way I present my image, you know,
(05:15):
And this is really who I am, you know what
I mean, Like this is cut dry children Conrad Davis
the second. So I've always worn the hats, I've always
you know, dressed really fly, I've always you know, said
what's on my mind. I've always been very adamant about
equal rights for everybody. It just so happened that I
was able to make money from it. And why not?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
But in your case? In your case, because at the minute,
I don't know exactly how it works, right, But there's
so many people that are listening to you or looking
at you and like, you know what, I kind of
look like him, or I want to look like him.
I want to do what he's doing. How do you
make money as an influencer? How does that even start?
Do you approach the companies, the companies approach you, Do
you have an agency the agency? Do they get a
(05:56):
commit because that's another thing. You may see that there's
a lot of money coming in, but do they get
a commission from it? How does the life of an
influencer for man work.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
I didn't get an agency until twenty seventeen, So prior
to that, from twenty twelve to twenty seventeen, I was
doing everything on my own. I was running my blog,
my Instagram, taking content, doing all this stuff. And honestly,
you know, I didn't even realize that I could get
paid off of doing the stuff I was doing until
(06:25):
I went to New York Men's Fashion Week in twenty
and sixteen and I met some of the men that
I idolized or like followed from, like you know the
same you know the same place that we're in, and
they were telling me, you know, like you must make
so much money. I'll say, I don't make anybody. I
was like, I'm still a I'm still a middle school
art teacher. I do this for fun. And all these
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guys are making like hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.
They put me on gain. They were like, no, you
need to tell this brand that you're not going to
do it unless they pay you X amount of dollars.
I said, but what if they But like, what if
they say no? And he was like, well, did do it?
I was like, but I kind of want to free clothes, right,
And he basically was like, you got to stop doing
stuff for free clothing because that's the way that the
(07:09):
brand gets free marketing, and all they do is write
off the clothing that they gave to you as a gift.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Now we're also seeing a lot of the younger generation,
meaning like the little ones under fifteen or even under eighteen,
who are creating this content and making millions of dollars. Like,
for example, I saw these little I think that they're
from Australia, some little boys that are opening you know,
toys on YouTube and they're paying them millions of dollars
(07:44):
to showcase what the toys do. When all these other things.
It's great because you can create a brand for your
children or for themselves, and a bank account and you
can do all those things. But I also am starting
to see a lot of younger people, or a lot
of the girls and men now that don't I don't
want to work anymore. I don't want to go to college.
I don't care for an education, I don't care for
(08:05):
anything else. I want to be an influencer. I want
to be an influencer. I want to make money, and
that's all I'm going to do. And this is my life.
If tomorrow social media were to disappear, which I truly
doubt it, but if it were to disappeared, then what
happened to you? Now? Because I saw that back then
during COVID, I think there was a point where Instagram
kind of got frozen, you know, for like I don't know,
(08:26):
maybe forty eight hours. It was just having a lot
of issues, and there was a girl who almost committed
suicide because she was so sick, she was sick to
her stomach to know that she couldn't go into her
social media to make money, because that's a way of
making money. This is really a lot of people's job.
It's just social media. So I find how interesting it's
(08:48):
become how this device has completely changed the world and
the society that we live in from we are financially
dependent on it. We are consistently looking for validation based
off how many lights or comments you get. Marriages are
falling apart in many occasions because of this social media
platform we're now so Instagram, for example, has become a
(09:11):
menu of women. You could just pick whoever you want,
slid up in their gear and buy them a little
flight in many occasional little spirit right for sixty dollars,
and now you can have whoever you want. Like, it's
such a it's a child, It's a gift that occurs,
don't you think.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
One hundred Yeah, it definitely is. It is definitely a
gift and occurs. I think it's especially with this younger generation,
it's more of a curse for them because you know,
we grew up in a time where we had you know,
the MySpace, and then you know, we also grew up
with CDs. We you know, we we we saw the
evolution of how technology. We you know, are know how
(09:50):
to live without it to a certain extent, right. But
this newer generation, it's a curse for them because not
only do they think that this is what reality is
number one. Number two is when you take it away
from them, they don't know how to exist. And that
to me is detrimental because when I, like, when I
(10:11):
take my cell phone away from both of my kids,
I'm like, you know, you can't have your cell phone, Like,
no more watching on the TV. We're gonna play scrabble.
You would have think that I took everything away from them.
You want to scrabble, I don't want to play scamp
Like what the heck? Y'all don't want to like spell
words together and have family time, and well, you don't
have this vibe you A lot of.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
People don't even know how to spell words anymore because
you have spell check, and.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
I am waste.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I'm not even like sometimes I have to think really
hard because the phone has become so accessible that sometimes
I don't even have to write it out. As a
matter of fact, I could just talk to it and
it'll rate the whole paragraph sirih got my back. So
I feel like, yeah, it makes you smart in a way.
It also makes you dumb in a way, but it
is true. We're so caught up doing tiktoks, especially now,
(10:57):
all day everybody's out here being an influenced You're doing
tiktoks where you're no longer spending time with your family,
you're no longer doing physical activities. And I just feel like,
you know, like I said before, we were creating this
fantasy world that in many occasions is not true. But
when it financially has become so rewarding for so many people,
everybody wants to do the same. I am one of
(11:18):
those that social media, for example, kept me alive during Covida.
You know, there were so many brands and so many
other things that I was doing that it was like,
you know what, I'm just gonna do this, and that
was paying my bills and then some do you ever
(11:39):
think social media is going to disappear. The evolution of
Instagram and Twitter and TikTok. Do you think is ever
going to die away or is it going to evolve?
Like once upon a time we were in MySpace when
we thought that was the shit, and then we got Instagram.
It's like, so, do you think there'll be anything else
that is going to top this't.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Know if anything else will top it. I do think
that there is going to be an awakening, and I
think the awakening is going to come whenever this generation
gets older and they have kids, okay, And I think
whatever they have their kids, I think what they're going
to implement in their households and how they raise their
kids is going to take away from what social media
(12:23):
is because they are going to see how much trauma
they had to go through from all of the you know,
trying to keep up with you know, body image, from bullying,
from all these different things, and they're going to want
to protect their children from it. It's the same way
I feel as though, you know, when children used to
get spankings and now you know, people don't beat their
(12:44):
kids anymore.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
And I've also seen how like you know, a lot
of them, I think that the younger generation really gets
it because they're like the TikTokers. I'm not really the TikToker.
I know there's a lot of people trying to get
hip and still be part of that, and that's fine too.
And now I feel like there's so many The involvement
of it was great when it was just one, but
then now we have Snapchat, Twitter, TikTok this, you know,
(13:05):
they got the There's so many different ones. It's hard
to keep up. And I don't know if visit that
I'm getting older. I can't manage all of them because
it's like, I'm posting this video here, but I gotta
go talk about it on Twitter here. But then my
other videos, my exclusive is on my Snapchat. But then
at the same time, I want to make sure that
my TikTok, my TikTok dancers over here see me dance.
(13:25):
It's like gom okays too much? Is it me? Or what?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
No, it's not you. There's so many different platforms. Then
there's this new thing called be Real. Have you ever
heard of that?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Oh my gosh, no, what is that?
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Okay? So be Real is like a social media app
and they market they're saying by saying we're not a
social media app. It basically it triggers you to take
a photo in real time. And what it does is
it takes a photo of you face the camera in
whatever is facing the camera simultaneously, and it's like you
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add like a location to where you are, and it's
like be real. It's like be your authentic self. So
it's kind of like if you're like somewhere shopping for
flowers and you get like a notification on your phone
it's time to be real. You take it and you
step a photo of you buying flowers and you're like,
I'm getting flowers at Trader Joe's. Like you just post
like nobody.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Pas soccer ish. It sounds very like you know what
I'm going to let you know government exactly where I am,
which they're doing it regardless. But I just feel like
that may be too much information at Like, if you
pay attention to let's talk about this too, if you
pay attention to social media and the evolution of it,
let's also think that the government, which are you know,
(14:41):
strongly fighting about this TikTok thing, The government has a
big influence on what you're watching. When you're watching it,
and you know all this, you know, all around when
Instagram came, when they came up with the with the filter.
Let's be clear on the fact that you're literally showcasing
right face identification. You thought originally we thought it was
(15:04):
a little flowers, you know, a little flowers in the
head on Snapchat when the first came out. Maam, Right, Now,
as you'll get older, they're capturing every single detail of
your face as you get older, and you are just
giving it to them. So you have that, you know,
now with this new app, you're giving them your location consistently.
(15:25):
They can track you consistently visually of where you're I'm
hoping you're not planning on doing anything crazy, but you
just never know who else also has access to that information.
So for security purposes, we also have to be a
little bit careful on the way that we use this,
don't we.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Of course, Yeah, you know, I've only used be real
like a couple of times, and it's usually it's usually
when I'm traveling. I don't do it when I'm here
in my home city because you know, I just you know,
I just don't know, like somebody could be like, oh well,
Covil was just said whole foods. I'm about to run
up on them, you know, saying God forbid if they did.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Now, talking about the evolution of social media, I also
want to get into something that has also become very
trendy and very popular. And as for example, only fans,
only fans. Originally, to my understanding, came about just being
able to have exclusive content for the people that really
wanted to see your business, your art, what you were into,
exclusive content musically, whatever one thing led to the other,
(16:29):
and during the pandemic during COVID, it became a really like,
you know thing to you know what, let me just
not give you exclusive content of my music, my art
or what else I'm doing or business. Let me start
off with a little you know, bathing suit. That bathing
suit being sexy evolved into now it's a porn site
to me, right, shout out to everybody who's out there
(16:51):
making their money, because I know, I know a guest
that I had once upon a time who made over
like six hundred thousand dollars a month, right right, creating
OnlyFans content and people are there paying. And also when
you subscribe, unless you unsubscribe, your little you know, tenhty
nine and twenty dollars a month is coming out every month,
(17:12):
whether you watch or don't watch, or you forgot that
you follow this person that is consistently coming out, and
if you can find the correct marketing a company to
promote your brand, your page or whatever, you're making thousands
of dollars. And they were, by the way, reinvesting it
in real estate just to watch you naked. But it
(17:33):
went from you can be sexy, be who you are
to now it's all the way out here because this
is coming from your regular you know, employee, your regular teacher,
your regular uber driver who financially can't stay to float
and also wants to become an influencer. So being an
influencer now is not just you didn't educate yourself, or
(17:55):
you didn't study, you didn't prepare your there's no school
for just go out there and be funny, sing a song,
create a dance, show your ass, I don't know, do
something and then now you yeah, and now you become
an influencer. Ken that's true, though, Should it just be
that easy?
Speaker 4 (18:12):
No, it shouldn't. I mean I come from a time
where you know, I really had to put a digital
footprint in the ground to become no Torstda, or to
become Kelvin Davis, to have this notoriety, to have this
kind of popularity, like to be able to become an author,
all these things. I had to put a digital footprint
down that did not require me, you know, doing the
(18:33):
things that people have to do. Now now I will say, Omar,
I'm not a gonna cap I'm gonna be one hundred
percent with you. In October, I almost made it only fans.
I was hey, hey, hey, I'm gonna keep it a buck.
And the only reason why I did it was because
my lawyer was like, look, you're still in the middle
of your divorce litigation. That's not the best idea for
(18:56):
you to go on only fans and show you did
I said, okay.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Listen, I thought about it too. Listen. At the end
of the day, everybody wants to financially be afloat. And
that's why social media has become such a thing, not
only because we have to think about influencer. You influence
the way that our culture moves. You know, your community
perceives you what's trendy, what's not financially is doing great
(19:20):
things for many people, not for all like, it keeps
growing and it keeps changing in different ways. And I
don't judge you if you do only fans. I thought
about it too. Shoot, I would have gotten me some
coins if I would. You know what I'm saying, Make
this booty come, you know. But then I also think
about how the internet keeps this information and maybe later
(19:40):
on in my lifetime when I you know, now, when
I have children and this and that, or if I
want to run for president no, no, get into the job.
How will the things that you do in your past,
how will the things that you do on social media
affect your future at the long run. And many times
you think like, oh, it doesn't matter sometimes haven't you
seen how they be Like oh, back in twenty fourteen,
(20:02):
you posted this and people can track it.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I think we have to be a little bit careful too,
with what type of content, what type of information we're
putting out there. But I do say social media is growing,
is evalding. It is becoming better for some, worse for others.
We become quo dependent on it in many ways. I
hope it never dies out because I need this shoe.
I'm making some coins right there too, snap. But yeah,
(20:27):
I mean, but we have to be careful though, we
have to be careful Andy. You know what, how about
this covin? What can the people take home with this conversation?
What would be your advice or the wrap up for
you for this conversation today?
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I would say for them, you know, to take a
social media break. It's like it is okay for you
to sometimes put the phone down or put the tablet
away and go live your old life. I mean, I
took a social media break a couple months ago, and
it was very liberating for me. It was very liberating,
you know, because you forget of about how sometimes people
(21:03):
forget how to interact with the outside world because they're
too consumed on the inside world on their phone. Because
half the things that you would say on this phone,
you would never say to somebody face to face. Ain't
nobody that damn brave. Ain't no man in the world
that brave to go to go up to a woman
and send what you said in a DM face to
(21:23):
face You ain't you? Ain't that cold? Brother? You ain't
that cold?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yeah. And it gives people this false sense of confidence too,
because it's like, in the real world, you not about
that you're not about to go up to her and
say that. You're not going to go to him and
say that. But behind these little fingers you'll say and
do whatever you want to because the chances that you
running into them in public unplanned is highly unlikely. Right,
(21:48):
So I really encourage people to find confidence within themselves
and not through social media, and really don't look at
social media as the end all be all to how
everybody lives, because that's the everybody living.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
You know what. I love that you said that, and
you know what, that's where you can take home. Take
that home. Okay. By the way, if anybody wants to
follow you, check you out where and they go think.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Can you find me on Instagram at Kelvin Davis, Facebook
at no Torsi Dapper, no torsideper dot com.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
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Welcome to my show. I know that's right. It's your girl, man,
and you're listening to exactly I'm a Amia Motor production
of iHeart. Thank you so much for tuning in. They
ko much could ask us, and don't forget to give
us those five stars. Subscribe to the podcast on your
favorite podcast platform. I check out my music shows and interviews,
everything I've been doing lately. Because you know, a girl
(00:24):
keeps baby on today's episode. You know what, this is
such a juicy topic and we could talk about it
all day because we won't be talking about influencers. Influencers,
the evolution of influencers. How the hell did we get here?
How do we get from like when we first came
up with like MySpace, your top five friends and all
(00:46):
this great stuff to all the way now where we
have TikTokers and you know, little kids doing YouTube videos
and making millions and millions of dollars, and just the
way that the Internet and social media has evolved into
the way than now people are creating careers and all
that type of crazy stuff out of it. Arlene is
my girl. She's in here today. Arlene, my love. How
(01:07):
are you and what do you think about the whole
social media influencer thing.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
This is a wild topic because, according to the Data
Bridge Market Research, by twenty twenty nine, the influencer industry
is gonna be worth sixty nine billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Way, why I better get myself in some of that.
So we have a very special guest.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Y'all may recognize his sexy voice. His name is Kelvin Davis.
He's gonna be hopping on to help us out with
his topic. He's a renowned social media expert an influencer himself.
Y'all may know him from notoriously dapper Kelvin. You bring
a wealth of knowledge and unique insights for this particular topic.
(01:55):
Join us, bring on your energy and tell us how
you feel about this topic.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Right, let's get it. Thank you for having me again.
I'm going to go ahead and start off by giving
myself my old flowers. Okay, I am one of the
I'm one of the ogs. I'm wanted the originators, like
I'm talking to them like back twenty twelve. You know
what I'm saying. We're talking about eleven years in the game. Okay,
everybody wants to show the highlights, don't nobody want to
(02:21):
talk about the realness of what they go through in life.
There's a lot of non transparency.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
People be lying Yeah, I know, that's right.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Yeah, they be lying saying they got this and that
and how they.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Got it, And it's bologney. It's a fake perfection of
a lifestyle that you really don't have. Why don't you
talk about when you ain't got no money, you ain't
got no gas money. Why don't you talk about you
can't pay your bills? Why can't we because I know
you when I discussed it in the past episode, Why
can't you be vulnerable publicly without feeling like you're judging
people to actually come and comfort you and just be
part of a community, of a society where we're here
(02:55):
for each other. Why can't we do that? You know?
Why don't you say to that outfit that sauty you
got on, you're gonna go back and return and get
your money back. Why aren't we speaking the truth about it?
And let me tell you Once upon a time I
learned from an influencer. She was like, I was like, damn, bitch,
you be eating real good. Like where do you be going?
She's like, I'd be going to Google And I'm like
(03:15):
how do you do that? She's like, oh, yeah, yeah,
I just go to Google. I search whatever restaurant or
like really nice and you can actually look for it
like Instagram highlight food and the food whoever else took
the picture she would just screenshot and putting her into
story and it makes it look like she was eating it.
And I was like, you really weren't there. She's like, no,
I was home. So now you can't trust it. You
(03:39):
cannot trust it may be showcasing this bougie life that
they really aren't living they you know, And I think
that that's fine to a certain extent because coming from
an artist, coming from an influencer myself, a celebrity of whatever,
the kids may be a public figure. I've done it,
you know, I've done it because part of this is
really what an artist is, besides the talent, because I
(03:59):
think that back in the day it was more about
the talent than it is now. It's about the illusion.
The fantasy. It's a fantasy. I am going to showcase
you the lifestyle that you wish you could live, but
you can't, right because the financial because of whatever the
caids may be. So the artist gives you the illusion.
All the luxury, the jewelry, the bags, the cars, the food.
(04:20):
This that's why we follow these women, That's why we
follow these artists. They are here throwing money up in
the air, but when the camera's off, they're right there
picking it up, right, But you don't see that part.
So it's kind of good because it's like, Wow, I
love this lifestyle when you perceive it, when you see it.
But it's bad because it also makes people feel as
if they have to live that same lifestyle, you know.
(04:42):
But at the same time, not necessarily all of it
is fake. I've seen a lot of people that made
a lot of money from social media and they are
creating a lifestyle for themselves.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
There's so much money to be made up for brand deals,
especially when you market yourself like you know, for me,
you know, I make it a decent amount of money
being an influencer, and you know, I'm very marketable to
like brands that are like Target Gap all those kind
of brands, right, you know, I'm very marketable to those
brands because of the way I present my image, you know,
(05:15):
And this is really who I am, you know what
I mean, Like this is cut dry children Conrad Davis
the second. So I've always worn the hats, I've always
you know, dressed really fly, I've always you know, said
what's on my mind. I've always been very adamant about
equal rights for everybody. It just so happened that I
was able to make money from it. And why not?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
But in your case? In your case, because at the minute,
I don't know exactly how it works, right, But there's
so many people that are listening to you or looking
at you and like, you know what, I kind of
look like him, or I want to look like him.
I want to do what he's doing. How do you
make money as an influencer? How does that even start?
Do you approach the companies, the companies approach you, Do
you have an agency the agency? Do they get a
(05:56):
commit because that's another thing. You may see that there's
a lot of money coming in, but do they get
a commission from it? How does the life of an
influencer for man work.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
I didn't get an agency until twenty seventeen, So prior
to that, from twenty twelve to twenty seventeen, I was
doing everything on my own. I was running my blog,
my Instagram, taking content, doing all this stuff. And honestly,
you know, I didn't even realize that I could get
paid off of doing the stuff I was doing until
(06:25):
I went to New York Men's Fashion Week in twenty
and sixteen and I met some of the men that
I idolized or like followed from, like you know the
same you know the same place that we're in, and
they were telling me, you know, like you must make
so much money. I'll say, I don't make anybody. I
was like, I'm still a I'm still a middle school
art teacher. I do this for fun. And all these
(06:46):
guys are making like hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.
They put me on gain. They were like, no, you
need to tell this brand that you're not going to
do it unless they pay you X amount of dollars.
I said, but what if they But like, what if
they say no? And he was like, well, did do it?
I was like, but I kind of want to free clothes, right,
And he basically was like, you got to stop doing
stuff for free clothing because that's the way that the
(07:09):
brand gets free marketing, and all they do is write
off the clothing that they gave to you as a gift.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Now we're also seeing a lot of the younger generation,
meaning like the little ones under fifteen or even under eighteen,
who are creating this content and making millions of dollars. Like,
for example, I saw these little I think that they're
from Australia, some little boys that are opening you know,
toys on YouTube and they're paying them millions of dollars
(07:44):
to showcase what the toys do. When all these other things.
It's great because you can create a brand for your
children or for themselves, and a bank account and you
can do all those things. But I also am starting
to see a lot of younger people, or a lot
of the girls and men now that don't I don't
want to work anymore. I don't want to go to college.
I don't care for an education, I don't care for
(08:05):
anything else. I want to be an influencer. I want
to be an influencer. I want to make money, and
that's all I'm going to do. And this is my life.
If tomorrow social media were to disappear, which I truly
doubt it, but if it were to disappeared, then what
happened to you? Now? Because I saw that back then
during COVID, I think there was a point where Instagram
kind of got frozen, you know, for like I don't know,
(08:26):
maybe forty eight hours. It was just having a lot
of issues, and there was a girl who almost committed
suicide because she was so sick, she was sick to
her stomach to know that she couldn't go into her
social media to make money, because that's a way of
making money. This is really a lot of people's job.
It's just social media. So I find how interesting it's
(08:48):
become how this device has completely changed the world and
the society that we live in from we are financially
dependent on it. We are consistently looking for validation based
off how many lights or comments you get. Marriages are
falling apart in many occasions because of this social media
platform we're now so Instagram, for example, has become a
(09:11):
menu of women. You could just pick whoever you want,
slid up in their gear and buy them a little
flight in many occasional little spirit right for sixty dollars,
and now you can have whoever you want. Like, it's
such a it's a child, It's a gift that occurs,
don't you think.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
One hundred Yeah, it definitely is. It is definitely a
gift and occurs. I think it's especially with this younger generation,
it's more of a curse for them because you know,
we grew up in a time where we had you know,
the MySpace, and then you know, we also grew up
with CDs. We you know, we we we saw the
evolution of how technology. We you know, are know how
(09:50):
to live without it to a certain extent, right. But
this newer generation, it's a curse for them because not
only do they think that this is what reality is
number one. Number two is when you take it away
from them, they don't know how to exist. And that
to me is detrimental because when I, like, when I
(10:11):
take my cell phone away from both of my kids,
I'm like, you know, you can't have your cell phone, Like,
no more watching on the TV. We're gonna play scrabble.
You would have think that I took everything away from them.
You want to scrabble, I don't want to play scamp
Like what the heck? Y'all don't want to like spell
words together and have family time, and well, you don't
have this vibe you A lot of.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
People don't even know how to spell words anymore because
you have spell check, and.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
I am waste.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I'm not even like sometimes I have to think really
hard because the phone has become so accessible that sometimes
I don't even have to write it out. As a
matter of fact, I could just talk to it and
it'll rate the whole paragraph sirih got my back. So
I feel like, yeah, it makes you smart in a way.
It also makes you dumb in a way, but it
is true. We're so caught up doing tiktoks, especially now,
(10:57):
all day everybody's out here being an influenced You're doing
tiktoks where you're no longer spending time with your family,
you're no longer doing physical activities. And I just feel like,
you know, like I said before, we were creating this
fantasy world that in many occasions is not true. But
when it financially has become so rewarding for so many people,
everybody wants to do the same. I am one of
(11:18):
those that social media, for example, kept me alive during Covida.
You know, there were so many brands and so many
other things that I was doing that it was like,
you know what, I'm just gonna do this, and that
was paying my bills and then some do you ever
(11:39):
think social media is going to disappear. The evolution of
Instagram and Twitter and TikTok. Do you think is ever
going to die away or is it going to evolve?
Like once upon a time we were in MySpace when
we thought that was the shit, and then we got Instagram.
It's like, so, do you think there'll be anything else
that is going to top this't.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Know if anything else will top it. I do think
that there is going to be an awakening, and I
think the awakening is going to come whenever this generation
gets older and they have kids, okay, And I think
whatever they have their kids, I think what they're going
to implement in their households and how they raise their
kids is going to take away from what social media
(12:23):
is because they are going to see how much trauma
they had to go through from all of the you know,
trying to keep up with you know, body image, from bullying,
from all these different things, and they're going to want
to protect their children from it. It's the same way
I feel as though, you know, when children used to
get spankings and now you know, people don't beat their
(12:44):
kids anymore.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
And I've also seen how like you know, a lot
of them, I think that the younger generation really gets
it because they're like the TikTokers. I'm not really the TikToker.
I know there's a lot of people trying to get
hip and still be part of that, and that's fine too.
And now I feel like there's so many The involvement
of it was great when it was just one, but
then now we have Snapchat, Twitter, TikTok this, you know,
(13:05):
they got the There's so many different ones. It's hard
to keep up. And I don't know if visit that
I'm getting older. I can't manage all of them because
it's like, I'm posting this video here, but I gotta
go talk about it on Twitter here. But then my
other videos, my exclusive is on my Snapchat. But then
at the same time, I want to make sure that
my TikTok, my TikTok dancers over here see me dance.
(13:25):
It's like gom okays too much? Is it me? Or what?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
No, it's not you. There's so many different platforms. Then
there's this new thing called be Real. Have you ever
heard of that?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Oh my gosh, no, what is that?
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Okay? So be Real is like a social media app
and they market they're saying by saying we're not a
social media app. It basically it triggers you to take
a photo in real time. And what it does is
it takes a photo of you face the camera in
whatever is facing the camera simultaneously, and it's like you
(13:58):
add like a location to where you are, and it's
like be real. It's like be your authentic self. So
it's kind of like if you're like somewhere shopping for
flowers and you get like a notification on your phone
it's time to be real. You take it and you
step a photo of you buying flowers and you're like,
I'm getting flowers at Trader Joe's. Like you just post
like nobody.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Pas soccer ish. It sounds very like you know what
I'm going to let you know government exactly where I am,
which they're doing it regardless. But I just feel like
that may be too much information at Like, if you
pay attention to let's talk about this too, if you
pay attention to social media and the evolution of it,
let's also think that the government, which are you know,
(14:41):
strongly fighting about this TikTok thing, The government has a
big influence on what you're watching. When you're watching it,
and you know all this, you know, all around when
Instagram came, when they came up with the with the filter.
Let's be clear on the fact that you're literally showcasing
right face identification. You thought originally we thought it was
(15:04):
a little flowers, you know, a little flowers in the
head on Snapchat when the first came out. Maam, Right, Now,
as you'll get older, they're capturing every single detail of
your face as you get older, and you are just
giving it to them. So you have that, you know,
now with this new app, you're giving them your location consistently.
(15:25):
They can track you consistently visually of where you're I'm
hoping you're not planning on doing anything crazy, but you
just never know who else also has access to that information.
So for security purposes, we also have to be a
little bit careful on the way that we use this,
don't we.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Of course, Yeah, you know, I've only used be real
like a couple of times, and it's usually it's usually
when I'm traveling. I don't do it when I'm here
in my home city because you know, I just you know,
I just don't know, like somebody could be like, oh well,
Covil was just said whole foods. I'm about to run
up on them, you know, saying God forbid if they did.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Now, talking about the evolution of social media, I also
want to get into something that has also become very
trendy and very popular. And as for example, only fans,
only fans. Originally, to my understanding, came about just being
able to have exclusive content for the people that really
wanted to see your business, your art, what you were into,
exclusive content musically, whatever one thing led to the other,
(16:29):
and during the pandemic during COVID, it became a really like,
you know thing to you know what, let me just
not give you exclusive content of my music, my art
or what else I'm doing or business. Let me start
off with a little you know, bathing suit. That bathing
suit being sexy evolved into now it's a porn site
to me, right, shout out to everybody who's out there
(16:51):
making their money, because I know, I know a guest
that I had once upon a time who made over
like six hundred thousand dollars a month, right right, creating
OnlyFans content and people are there paying. And also when
you subscribe, unless you unsubscribe, your little you know, tenhty
nine and twenty dollars a month is coming out every month,
(17:12):
whether you watch or don't watch, or you forgot that
you follow this person that is consistently coming out, and
if you can find the correct marketing a company to
promote your brand, your page or whatever, you're making thousands
of dollars. And they were, by the way, reinvesting it
in real estate just to watch you naked. But it
(17:33):
went from you can be sexy, be who you are
to now it's all the way out here because this
is coming from your regular you know, employee, your regular teacher,
your regular uber driver who financially can't stay to float
and also wants to become an influencer. So being an
influencer now is not just you didn't educate yourself, or
(17:55):
you didn't study, you didn't prepare your there's no school
for just go out there and be funny, sing a song,
create a dance, show your ass, I don't know, do
something and then now you yeah, and now you become
an influencer. Ken that's true, though, Should it just be
that easy?
Speaker 4 (18:12):
No, it shouldn't. I mean I come from a time
where you know, I really had to put a digital
footprint in the ground to become no Torstda, or to
become Kelvin Davis, to have this notoriety, to have this
kind of popularity, like to be able to become an author,
all these things. I had to put a digital footprint
down that did not require me, you know, doing the
(18:33):
things that people have to do. Now now I will say, Omar,
I'm not a gonna cap I'm gonna be one hundred
percent with you. In October, I almost made it only fans.
I was hey, hey, hey, I'm gonna keep it a buck.
And the only reason why I did it was because
my lawyer was like, look, you're still in the middle
of your divorce litigation. That's not the best idea for
(18:56):
you to go on only fans and show you did
I said, okay.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Listen, I thought about it too. Listen. At the end
of the day, everybody wants to financially be afloat. And
that's why social media has become such a thing, not
only because we have to think about influencer. You influence
the way that our culture moves. You know, your community
perceives you what's trendy, what's not financially is doing great
(19:20):
things for many people, not for all like, it keeps
growing and it keeps changing in different ways. And I
don't judge you if you do only fans. I thought
about it too. Shoot, I would have gotten me some
coins if I would. You know what I'm saying, Make
this booty come, you know. But then I also think
about how the internet keeps this information and maybe later
(19:40):
on in my lifetime when I you know, now, when
I have children and this and that, or if I
want to run for president no, no, get into the job.
How will the things that you do in your past,
how will the things that you do on social media
affect your future at the long run. And many times
you think like, oh, it doesn't matter sometimes haven't you
seen how they be Like oh, back in twenty fourteen,
(20:02):
you posted this and people can track it.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I think we have to be a little bit careful too,
with what type of content, what type of information we're
putting out there. But I do say social media is growing,
is evalding. It is becoming better for some, worse for others.
We become quo dependent on it in many ways. I
hope it never dies out because I need this shoe.
I'm making some coins right there too, snap. But yeah,
(20:27):
I mean, but we have to be careful though, we
have to be careful Andy. You know what, how about
this covin? What can the people take home with this conversation?
What would be your advice or the wrap up for
you for this conversation today?
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I would say for them, you know, to take a
social media break. It's like it is okay for you
to sometimes put the phone down or put the tablet
away and go live your old life. I mean, I
took a social media break a couple months ago, and
it was very liberating for me. It was very liberating,
you know, because you forget of about how sometimes people
(21:03):
forget how to interact with the outside world because they're
too consumed on the inside world on their phone. Because
half the things that you would say on this phone,
you would never say to somebody face to face. Ain't
nobody that damn brave. Ain't no man in the world
that brave to go to go up to a woman
and send what you said in a DM face to
(21:23):
face You ain't you? Ain't that cold? Brother? You ain't
that cold?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yeah. And it gives people this false sense of confidence too,
because it's like, in the real world, you not about
that you're not about to go up to her and
say that. You're not going to go to him and
say that. But behind these little fingers you'll say and
do whatever you want to because the chances that you
running into them in public unplanned is highly unlikely. Right,
(21:48):
So I really encourage people to find confidence within themselves
and not through social media, and really don't look at
social media as the end all be all to how
everybody lives, because that's the everybody living.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
You know what. I love that you said that, and
you know what, that's where you can take home. Take
that home. Okay. By the way, if anybody wants to
follow you, check you out where and they go think.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Can you find me on Instagram at Kelvin Davis, Facebook
at no Torsi Dapper, no torsideper dot com.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Thank you so much for being part of exactly a
matter you know. I can't thank you enough. Also, go
follow me and my social media platforms at Amada lat
A l N. And remember that this has been a
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