March 28, 2024 • 25 mins
Today Ros and Eric sit down with Samantha Tan who is a woman that is breaking barriers in motor sports. Her work on the track transcends into her passion for breaking barriers in a male-dominated sport, redefining stereotypes, and paving the way for those who are denied opportunity based on their gender or ethnicity. Samantha Tan is a 26-year-old Chinese Canadian professional race car driver and team owner of Samantha Tan Racing. Her journey is centered on empowering women and minorities while inspiring the next generation to follow their dreams.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is he said a Yadiho with Eric Winter and
Rosalind Fantaz.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Good afternoon, Hi, I'm very excited. We have a great
guest today. You know how Dylan I tell you all
the time he's obsessed with race cars and driving a
long as have me.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Get these toys and well, today we have a woman
that is breaking barriers in motorsports. Her work on the
track transcends into her passion for breaking barriers and a
male dominated sport, redefining stereotypes and paving the way for
those who have or denied the opportunity based on their
gender or ethnicity.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Yes, Samantha Tan. She's twenty six years old Chinese Canadian
professional race car driver and team owner of Samantha Tan Racing.
Her journey is center on empowering women and minorities while
inspiring the next generation to follow their dreams.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
We could not be more excited to have her come in.
So let's get this started. Please welcome Samantha to the show. Samantha,
thank you for for joining us today. I'm excited about this.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
It's funny.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Our kids are my son in particular, so obsessed with
race cars right now. He's like racecar racecar. What's faster Dad?
What do you think is faster all the time? And
you are breaking barriers now as the first female sponsored
by BMW AM I correct? Yes, And for our listeners,
can you describe a little bit about the league you
racing and I know the Grand Prix, the Long Beach
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Long Beach Grand Prix, what's coming up?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, explain a little bit to them about Okay, the
world you racing versus NASCAR. I know Formula One is
mostly there's more Europe NASCAR is US. But what's the
difference in the league you racing compared to like NASCAR?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah? Sure, so Formula One is obviously probably the most
popular version of racing nowadays. But I do race on
those kinds of tracks, for example, so I do visit
Coda this year, which is a Formula One track, but
I don't race oval tracks like NASCAR does. What I
racing is sports cars, so it's essentially kind of like
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your street car modified into a race car. There's not
a lot of electronics, there's a lot of things that
are taken out for weight. But we do race on
these road courses and I race in sprint races as
well as endurance races, and these races could go anywhere
from an hour to twenty four hours long. But it's
not just me in the car. If it's an endurance race,
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I could be joined by three other co drivers. So
it's not fun for sure.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
You climbing over seats and between the rain, you pit stop,
you chine, come out really quick into a fire drill
and jump back you.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I remember, I remember I didn't interview once and the
guy was like, you fit three people in the car
with you at the same time, Like, how does that work?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
That's wild.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
So it's a twenty four race that only stops for
a pit stop, essentially like any race.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, so we do have like maximum drive times just
for safety. It could be like two hour maxim or
three hour maximum depending on the series. For me personally,
it's typically two hours. So I could do two hours
and then come in and do a pit stop, and
then my co driver will jump in for two hours
and then I could be right back in after that
really depends on the strategy, but yeah, we only really
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come in for pit stops. The car runs for the
full twenty four hours, but drivers do get to take breaks. Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
So the big difference is like you said, yours is
more the league you race, and it's more of souped
up street cars versus NASCAR is its own sort of car,
the way it's built. Yeah, you guys hit a similar
speed like MAC speeds as NASCAR. Yeah, they're more in
a loops. They're probably going it's a little you guys
have turnturn turned. It's a big it's a different track
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to manage.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, they probably have more top speed. I'm not honestly
too knowledgeable about the NASCAR space, but obviously they're only
on the oval. They're full throttle. We do have like
a lot of like left right turns, so we do
have to break. We don't have the highest top speed
down the streets, but still pretty quick. It could be
going around a corner at one hundred and twenty miles
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per hours.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Super dangerous.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
What made you choose this profession and what were you
always a car person or had that happen?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, so I never in my life thought I would
become a professional race car driver, But my passion for
racing started with my father. He never raced himself, but
he's a really big car enthusiast and Formula One fan,
So I always I grew up going to car mace
with him in track days with him as a kid,
so kind of grew up around cars. But it wasn't
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until I was old enough to reach the pedals that
he started to enroll me in these performance driving schools.
Because I'm from Canada, we have terrible winters. He wanted
me to be a safe driver, he wanted me to
learn proper car control. And so I did a bunch
of these programs and at the end of one of them,
I got to sit in my very first race car
and I got taken out by a pro driver for
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a hot lap and I just remember having the base
smile on my face time of my life. And as
soon as I stepped out of the car, I you know,
I said to myself, I think I want to be
a race car driver. So how old are the age
of sixty at the age of sixteen? Okay, yep, yep.
But that experience that I had in that race car,
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I think I was fourteen at the time. But I
started actually pursuing it when I was sixteen years old
and did my first races when I was sixteen.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
But you don't just jump into a race card and
say I'm going to be a race car driver. I
mean there's so much skill involved. What was that training, Like,
did your dad even know exactly how to navigate that?
Or you just had to start meeting some race teams
and learning on the ground or how do you do that?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, like I said, I don't come from a racing family,
so we really had to kind of navigate the racing
world once I kind of made that decision that I
wanted to try it out. Thankfully, I did have a
coach who's very experienced and kind of like helped me
form a guide for the start of my racing career.
But you know, getting into it, for those first few years,
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I didn't have any racing experience, just kind of like
these track day experiences where they really don't allow racing.
For example, if there's a car that's catching up to you,
you always have to point them by instead of like
actually doing racing. So I was going into it kind
of like blindsided starting from square one. But yeah, thankfully
I had my coach, and you know, he really he
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really helped guide me throughout thout the course of my
career for sure.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Did you have a female like a like a role
model at sixteen? To look up to in the race
racing world, Like, I don't know too much about it.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
It was like Danica Patrick, did you nascars?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
It's different, but yeah, it was different. I never had
a role model that I felt like I could really
relate to, or anybody that looked like me. It was
very different. When I first started racing, I was, you know,
often the only woman in the entire padduc or in
the series, so you know, it was it was very
I didn't really notice it at first, you know, I
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thought I was just one of like many drivers. But
it wasn't until like, you know, after a few years,
I was like, oh, this is like consistently happening. There
are there are not a lot of women in motorsport,
and it's definitely changed over the years, but there's still
a lot of work to be done.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Different. Did you feel it at first?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
At first? I thought it was just you know, just racing.
But I realized that a lot of you know, my
competitors would be over aggressive with me. They thought that
they could like bully me, you know, push me off track,
just hit me for no reason. Oh meent me from
like being successful and even liked up until this day,
like still having like my success is invalidated by my competitors.
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Like I remember one race specifically a couple of years ago.
It was a twenty four hour race in Barcelona, and
we go out for these things called qualifying sessions where
you have fifteen minute period and you basically try to
go set your fastest lap time and that determines your
grid position for the race. But I went out then
I did a really really great lab and I had
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a competitor, you know, come up and say that they
thought my team put in my male co driver and
used my driver idea and essentially implying that you know,
I didn't, I didn't you know, run that out. The
best part is we beat him by thirty minutes, by
thirty minutes, and we won the race. The race, and
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we beat him by thirty minutes. So how do you
look me in the eye of the podium?
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Oh my god, I was going to ask you, how
do you navigate knowing that there is some a little
bit of discrimination because you're a female and you're really good,
so it's very threatening to them, Like how do you
how do you deal with that when you have to
face them? Then backstage and with the press, you know,
looking at people that you know they're looking at you
up and down going she doesn't belong here? Like do
you like, how do you navigate? How do you go
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to bed knowing this is happening? Let me just find
some peace so I can continue.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, I think it's definitely been, you know, a journey
to reach the point where I've had like built up
this self confidence to say, you know, I can just
go out there and prove it out on track. But
you know, at the beginning of my career, not really
knowing the racing world and often again like not having
a role model that I could look up to. It
was it was very terrifying to have these kinds of
thoughts and it definitely caused a lot of self doubt
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in the beginning. But over the course of my career,
you know, I realized that I do deserve to be here,
and I deserve as much space on space on track
as anybody else. And again like, go prove it out
on the track.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I have a question that I've always wondered, and I'm
sure this applies to all racing in that in that
world there has to there is some unwritten rule, right,
like you're not trying to cause an accident just to win.
I mean, there's I'm sure that's the case, right, there's
an unwritten rule that you just you're trying to take
the lead safely if you will, and cut someone off
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safely if you will. But I know, like you said,
there are bumps and there are nudges and there, and
I don't think people realize and I just know, I
just know a little bit about this, But there is
a calculated way of racing where I'm tapping you, I'm
tapping you, where i'm cutting you off, letting you know
I'm coming in and don't tap me, like, don't cause
an accident. Like there's a dance so to speak, when
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you're on the track to try to take the lead
and move past people.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Right, Yeah, for sure. And you can definitely see that
more in sports for racing than in formula racing, for example,
because I think if you bump people in formula racing,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, it's tired of tired, it's gone.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
But NASCAR probably similar to you guys, it's nudging like
you can get by, yes, but you guys have corners
that are quick, so it's a bit different.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
But like you said, it is kind of like a dance.
It's definitely a mental game out there. Racing is like
eighty five percent mental. So it's all about getting in
your competitor's head. If you're, you know, bumping them up
the straight for example, you're telling them like, look, I'm here,
like i'm here, like watch your mirrors again. It's all
about the mental game.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Well, because I imagine right like like you said, there's
gonna be a point let's say on a turn or
a straightaway that and I don't I would love to
know what goes through your mind, like you have to.
There's gonna be a time when you might have to
concede because the person's in a position where if you
do too much, it's going to cause an accident. So
now you've mentally realized they do have an edge in
this certain moment and they might pass you. You could obviously
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pass them again later. But is that what kind of
how it works? Like you have to calculate if you're
conceding to the position or if you're gonna take or
if you're in the opposite and you're gonna take over
the position they need to concede. Is that the mental
game that goes on forcing them into a position to
submit on a turn or on a straightaway.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah. Again, it's like you said, all a mental game.
It's kind of like these split second decisions you're looking at.
You're kind of like going into a corner, You're seeing
like are they gonna break later than me? Are they
going to overshoot the corner? And then in that way
like I let them pass me, but then I kind
of like undercut them. You know. There's like a lot
of different strategies that go into it, but it's really
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you know, where you are in the corner at the time.
There's a lot of things going on, and it's really
about playing that game for sure.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
It's what I love about sports. It's like people don't
understand all the little nuances in every sport. But it's
not just laid out in a big, common sort of way,
right Like every even golfer, exact little tiny nuances that
you change with every swing, every little tactic.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Race car driving is the same thing. You're not just
racing around a track.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
There's so much strategy going into every decision you make
to position yourself to win.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
It's not just driving a car. There's so much.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
How do you mentally deal with accidents knowing that at
any moment life You know, life can change in a second,
you know, if you get into a really bad accident,
and it can happen anytime you race.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
For sure. Thankfully, like the race cars nowadays are very
very safe. I mean, we've seen some pretty horrific crashes
and the drivers just walking out completely fine. I mean,
the safety standards nowadays are just so much better. But
I had my very first big crash in twenty seventeen.
I hit a wall at one hundred miles per hour
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and I had I kept my foot on the break,
which you're not supposed to do, but you know, the
fight or flight kicked in and I sprained my ankle
because of that.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
But other than that, I was fine, okay. But at
the time I was like, I think it was nineteen
years old, that was my third year in racing. It
definitely just shattered my self confidence and I was getting
like a lot of hate comments and social media people
being like, oh, like woman driver, like typical whatever, right,
and so it was just like a very dark time
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for me that week. But I'm really glad I was
able to kind of pick myself back up off the ground.
I got right back into a race car the week after,
and you know that kind of that was like definitely
like a breaking point in my career for sure. It
taught me a lot, taught me how to kind of
push through self doubts and resistances and really learn from
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my failures because I feel like I was being really
hard on myself, but I had to really kind of
just manage my expectations and just get back into It shows.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
You how every sport mental toughness is probably one of
the most important aspects to any sport to be great,
because so many people can have a skill, and it
can be great at a skill, but if you don't
have the mental toughness to get back up after you've
been knocked down in a major way with an accident,
or you know you missed the game when you shot
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or whatever, you know, on and on and on with sport,
it's like, if you are not mentally capable of overcoming
those lows, you'll never reach your greatest high.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
It's impossible.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I don't care how good you are in any sport.
It's fascinating to hear that even with motocross like or
motorsport like driving it's it's so interesting.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
I apologize for my ignorance. I just don't know too
much about the sport. But when it comes to prize money, right,
let's say you win the one that is coming up,
the Long what is it, the Long Beach, the Long
Beach Grand Prix, you win that, right, This mighty face.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Is for the biggest that's a big one, right.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Oh, it's actually a standalone event for me. It's not
part of my main series, okay, but it is a
very big event itself. It's a lot of different race
series racing at this event, so it is a big event.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
So what what is the prize money like if you win?
Like how much are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Not sure what is in that standalone race for example,
but in my main.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Series, that's the biggest race, like I think it's.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Ten ten or twenty five thousand for first place. I
have to check on that the biggest race, right for
first place. And we do two races per weekend in
my series, so you have a lot of opportunities to
go get that.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Is it all year, all year round kind of sport
or is it like different seasons or do you race all.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Year depending on what series you compete in. It can
be all year. We always joke that there really is
no off season in racing. Start as early as January
and as late as December, so it could be year around.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Is training kind of it has to be year around
two training. I mean you have to probably stay fresh.
Like our daughter plays competitive tennis, which is how only
that can I can sort of equate. You know, this
mindset too, is that she's always has to be on
the court, whether she's maybe a day off a week
is Physically it gets training and all that too. But
like if you don't stay fresh on all of your
stuff that you're doing, all the split second decisions and
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the on and off and move and this and that
and physically stay ready, it's it's very hard to probably
just jump back in after having two weeks of not
driving or something.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, for sure, training is a very very big aspect
of racing for sure, And like a lot of people
think it's just driving, but it can. You know, the
car could reach up to like one hundred and thirty
degrees fahrenheit in the cockpit and over the course of
two hours, you can lose out to two pounds of
water weight. You're dealing with j Forrest's and the brake
pedal is much more difficult to push than your typical
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streetcar break pedal. So it's literally like a leg day
every time I get in the car. So I'm, you know,
trying to go to the gym five times a week.
I do car ding, I do some sim when I can.
It's like sim racing just to kind of stay sharp
because I've been out of the car actually since October.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
So, Wow, what's your super Bowl in your series? Like,
what's the big Is there a big one? Like you
know in tennis, there's the majors, right, there's Wimbledon, and
there's US Open, but they have all these different other
tournaments throughout, but the majors are the big ones in
your series?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Is there a major or a couple of majors?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yeah, I would say the pinnacle of sports car racing
is these like endurance races, these twenty four hour races,
because it's not just it's not just testing the drivers,
it's testing the car as it's testing the teams. You know,
you have to endure that that time period, right, So
the top endurance race, I would say, and it's it's
my ultimate goal is the twenty four hour of the Mall,
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which is in Frontants, but there's three others. These are
kind of like, you know, the top four that every
driver wants to do, but twenty four of them all
twenty four hour Daytona, twenty four hour Spa which is
in Belgium, and the twenty four hour Nurbur Break which
is in Germany. So those are kind of like the
Big four.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Very cool and what do you do to clear your
mind when you want to take a break from all
the race car driving? Your producers told us that you
love fashion and beauty and that's something that you're also
very passionate.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
I thought that it was very interesting that you like
to be made up, so you do your makeup under
the helmet so you feel them powered, you feel beautiful.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
What is it? Makeup is kind of like my creative outlet,
So sometimes I'll do a little bit more of a
creative look on race day. But I always feel that
if you know, I feel good, then I will perform well,
so you know, why not do it? And I feel
like femininity in general in the sport has always kind
of been looked down upon that you know, people have
said things like, oh, we're just in it for the attention,
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et cetera, et cetera. So I've always tried to prove
that you can both be feminine and be a successful racer.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
So that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Why you know, it's all about being true to myself,
like these are things that I'm interested in, and then
I'm not afraid to show it.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
What is that usually? What is age?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
For motorsports, people do it until wet age.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
In sports car racing, it's actually quite a wide age
range every all the way up until I've seen people
who are in like their seventies still racing.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
So competitively competitively.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah. Yeah, they're very experienced, so they kind of like
make up for you know, you know, your reaction time
kind of decreases over the years, but I feel like
they make up for it with their experience. So in
sports car racing, it's a pretty wide age range. But
in formula racing, I like Formula One. Now I feel
like that's the oldest driver like thirty.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Oh wow, that's insane. What do you think is it's
it's your north your twenty six years years old.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
You're very very young.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
But if you had to complement and this sport with
something else, or if you end up retiring at some point,
what is your north, Like you want to transition this
into what.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I mean, as somebody who never had a role model
in the industry, I've always wanted to have my own
kind of like junior program for to help girls break
into the industry. So, you know, that's kind of where
I see myself maybe after my racing career is finished,
helping guide girls in the industry because it is very
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difficult and i'd love to, you know, in part the
knowledge that I have, because yeah, I've always wanted to
be the role model I never had.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
That's amazing. You're like a brand branding dream. I'm assuming
you're getting those kinds of opportunities. You know, you're doing
something that is male dominated. You're a female, you're beautiful,
you're into fashion, you're really good at what you do.
Is like, I'm hoping that you're getting a lot of
opportunity to become the phase of different things because that's
very inspiring for people that look like you, so they
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feel represented. You know.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Oh, I really appreciate that we do have some sponsors.
I will say that it is very difficult for women
to get sponsorship, not just in motorsports, but in sports
in general. And you know, I feel that still to
this day, like people still would rather sponsor the male
drivers or the female drivers just because they don't have
as much faith and the results, I guess. But I'm
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very proud to have brought on board many supportive partners,
you know, like BMW. They've been very supportive in my
career and to you know, now be officially part of
the team there, it's just a dream come true for me.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
So I'm working on your makeup line.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I would love to be amazing.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
I'm super inspiring, you know what It's like, It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I would have ndered this long reach Grand Prix. I've
actually never been. I'm from l A. I've never been
to Are you from? Where are you from?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
I'm from Toronto Originally.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, is this a big sport up there as well?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
It is. But part of the reason why I moved
to the States is because racing is a much bigger
industry here than it is in Canada. Like we do
have some racing stuff, but definitely like the sponsorships, the opportunities,
and just the industry as a whole bigger here.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Okay, I wonder if you can do like stunt I
don't know if I'm making this up, but like all
this like stunt workpeople.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Driving, she'd kill it.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
You can do that, right, You can actually do some
stunt driving for movies.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
At a little sneak peek. I just did a commercial
and I got to do my own stunt, which is face.
So that'll be coming out shortly, so stay tuned for that.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Well, we should get some tickets and go see you.
That would be a lot of fun to go to
the I love that he would be it. Yeah, little boys,
he's six and our daughter's twelve, but he is. I'm
telling you obsessed that what goes faster all the time?
Lamborghini fashions far, what's the fastest car out there? Like
I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
They were like, they're all pretty fast, but you can
only go you know, eighty.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Of max pretty much when you're driving been around in
the freeway, you can't go that fast. You know, you're
not even supposed to go eighty, but most people do.
This is like, you know, I want them to experience.
I think you get a really get a real kick
out of that.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Scene a race.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
So maybe we'll we'll we'll inquire more about your you
guys in the day you race and all that. That
might be fun to come out and support you.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I would love to have you. And actually we do
have a media day on April nine where I will
be taking passengers out on the track itself.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Oh god, okay, April weekday.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Look, oh, it's a weekday. It's a Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
We could pull them from It's okay.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
When is the race? It's just kindergarten. When the race exactly?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
The race itself is April nineteen, but my first race
of the season is actually in Sonoma in a couple
of weeks, April five, weekend.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Oh wow, okay, that's April. That's wait wait wait weekend April.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Fifth, April five to seven.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Okay, yeah, and then you go.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
You come right back here for the Long Beach, the
Long Beach one and that's on the night.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Okay, maybe, all right, let's let's inquire. Let's look into
this. This could be a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Thank you so much much. This was a pleasure for
having you.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Oh, thank you for having me talking to you.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
You the very best, bye, thank you, bye bye. So
great that she is courageous and I don't even know
how to.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
It's the field. Yeah yeah, Like she said, it kind
of came out of nowhere. She got this ditch when
she experienced it, and she's obviously maximizing.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I love that she's breaking breaking barriers and making things
happen her way and making a mark. I really would
love to go out and support her. I think that'd
be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Dealing with love it, love and love it all.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Right, Well, everybody, get ready, stay tuned, watch her journey,
and until next time, I love you.
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See you next time. Bye,
This is he said a Yadiho with Eric Winter and
Rosalind Fantaz.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Good afternoon, Hi, I'm very excited. We have a great
guest today. You know how Dylan I tell you all
the time he's obsessed with race cars and driving a
long as have me.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Get these toys and well, today we have a woman
that is breaking barriers in motorsports. Her work on the
track transcends into her passion for breaking barriers and a
male dominated sport, redefining stereotypes and paving the way for
those who have or denied the opportunity based on their
gender or ethnicity.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Yes, Samantha Tan. She's twenty six years old Chinese Canadian
professional race car driver and team owner of Samantha Tan Racing.
Her journey is center on empowering women and minorities while
inspiring the next generation to follow their dreams.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
We could not be more excited to have her come in.
So let's get this started. Please welcome Samantha to the show. Samantha,
thank you for for joining us today. I'm excited about this.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
It's funny.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Our kids are my son in particular, so obsessed with
race cars right now. He's like racecar racecar. What's faster Dad?
What do you think is faster all the time? And
you are breaking barriers now as the first female sponsored
by BMW AM I correct? Yes, And for our listeners,
can you describe a little bit about the league you
racing and I know the Grand Prix, the Long Beach
(01:23):
Long Beach Grand Prix, what's coming up?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, explain a little bit to them about Okay, the
world you racing versus NASCAR. I know Formula One is
mostly there's more Europe NASCAR is US. But what's the
difference in the league you racing compared to like NASCAR?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah? Sure, so Formula One is obviously probably the most
popular version of racing nowadays. But I do race on
those kinds of tracks, for example, so I do visit
Coda this year, which is a Formula One track, but
I don't race oval tracks like NASCAR does. What I
racing is sports cars, so it's essentially kind of like
(02:01):
your street car modified into a race car. There's not
a lot of electronics, there's a lot of things that
are taken out for weight. But we do race on
these road courses and I race in sprint races as
well as endurance races, and these races could go anywhere
from an hour to twenty four hours long. But it's
not just me in the car. If it's an endurance race,
(02:23):
I could be joined by three other co drivers. So
it's not fun for sure.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
You climbing over seats and between the rain, you pit stop,
you chine, come out really quick into a fire drill
and jump back you.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I remember, I remember I didn't interview once and the
guy was like, you fit three people in the car
with you at the same time, Like, how does that work?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
That's wild.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
So it's a twenty four race that only stops for
a pit stop, essentially like any race.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, so we do have like maximum drive times just
for safety. It could be like two hour maxim or
three hour maximum depending on the series. For me personally,
it's typically two hours. So I could do two hours
and then come in and do a pit stop, and
then my co driver will jump in for two hours
and then I could be right back in after that
really depends on the strategy, but yeah, we only really
(03:10):
come in for pit stops. The car runs for the
full twenty four hours, but drivers do get to take breaks. Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
So the big difference is like you said, yours is
more the league you race, and it's more of souped
up street cars versus NASCAR is its own sort of car,
the way it's built. Yeah, you guys hit a similar
speed like MAC speeds as NASCAR. Yeah, they're more in
a loops. They're probably going it's a little you guys
have turnturn turned. It's a big it's a different track
(03:38):
to manage.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, they probably have more top speed. I'm not honestly
too knowledgeable about the NASCAR space, but obviously they're only
on the oval. They're full throttle. We do have like
a lot of like left right turns, so we do
have to break. We don't have the highest top speed
down the streets, but still pretty quick. It could be
going around a corner at one hundred and twenty miles
(04:01):
per hours.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Super dangerous.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
What made you choose this profession and what were you
always a car person or had that happen?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, so I never in my life thought I would
become a professional race car driver, But my passion for
racing started with my father. He never raced himself, but
he's a really big car enthusiast and Formula One fan,
So I always I grew up going to car mace
with him in track days with him as a kid,
so kind of grew up around cars. But it wasn't
(04:30):
until I was old enough to reach the pedals that
he started to enroll me in these performance driving schools.
Because I'm from Canada, we have terrible winters. He wanted
me to be a safe driver, he wanted me to
learn proper car control. And so I did a bunch
of these programs and at the end of one of them,
I got to sit in my very first race car
and I got taken out by a pro driver for
(04:50):
a hot lap and I just remember having the base
smile on my face time of my life. And as
soon as I stepped out of the car, I you know,
I said to myself, I think I want to be
a race car driver. So how old are the age
of sixty at the age of sixteen? Okay, yep, yep.
But that experience that I had in that race car,
(05:11):
I think I was fourteen at the time. But I
started actually pursuing it when I was sixteen years old
and did my first races when I was sixteen.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
But you don't just jump into a race card and
say I'm going to be a race car driver. I
mean there's so much skill involved. What was that training, Like,
did your dad even know exactly how to navigate that?
Or you just had to start meeting some race teams
and learning on the ground or how do you do that?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, like I said, I don't come from a racing family,
so we really had to kind of navigate the racing
world once I kind of made that decision that I
wanted to try it out. Thankfully, I did have a
coach who's very experienced and kind of like helped me
form a guide for the start of my racing career.
But you know, getting into it, for those first few years,
(05:56):
I didn't have any racing experience, just kind of like
these track day experiences where they really don't allow racing.
For example, if there's a car that's catching up to you,
you always have to point them by instead of like
actually doing racing. So I was going into it kind
of like blindsided starting from square one. But yeah, thankfully
I had my coach, and you know, he really he
(06:17):
really helped guide me throughout thout the course of my
career for sure.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Did you have a female like a like a role
model at sixteen? To look up to in the race
racing world, Like, I don't know too much about it.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
It was like Danica Patrick, did you nascars?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
It's different, but yeah, it was different. I never had
a role model that I felt like I could really
relate to, or anybody that looked like me. It was
very different. When I first started racing, I was, you know,
often the only woman in the entire padduc or in
the series, so you know, it was it was very
I didn't really notice it at first, you know, I
(06:57):
thought I was just one of like many drivers. But
it wasn't until like, you know, after a few years,
I was like, oh, this is like consistently happening. There
are there are not a lot of women in motorsport,
and it's definitely changed over the years, but there's still
a lot of work to be done.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Different. Did you feel it at first?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
At first? I thought it was just you know, just racing.
But I realized that a lot of you know, my
competitors would be over aggressive with me. They thought that
they could like bully me, you know, push me off track,
just hit me for no reason. Oh meent me from
like being successful and even liked up until this day,
like still having like my success is invalidated by my competitors.
(07:36):
Like I remember one race specifically a couple of years ago.
It was a twenty four hour race in Barcelona, and
we go out for these things called qualifying sessions where
you have fifteen minute period and you basically try to
go set your fastest lap time and that determines your
grid position for the race. But I went out then
I did a really really great lab and I had
(07:57):
a competitor, you know, come up and say that they
thought my team put in my male co driver and
used my driver idea and essentially implying that you know,
I didn't, I didn't you know, run that out. The
best part is we beat him by thirty minutes, by
thirty minutes, and we won the race. The race, and
(08:19):
we beat him by thirty minutes. So how do you
look me in the eye of the podium?
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Oh my god, I was going to ask you, how
do you navigate knowing that there is some a little
bit of discrimination because you're a female and you're really good,
so it's very threatening to them, Like how do you
how do you deal with that when you have to
face them? Then backstage and with the press, you know,
looking at people that you know they're looking at you
up and down going she doesn't belong here? Like do
you like, how do you navigate? How do you go
(08:44):
to bed knowing this is happening? Let me just find
some peace so I can continue.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, I think it's definitely been, you know, a journey
to reach the point where I've had like built up
this self confidence to say, you know, I can just
go out there and prove it out on track. But
you know, at the beginning of my career, not really
knowing the racing world and often again like not having
a role model that I could look up to. It
was it was very terrifying to have these kinds of
thoughts and it definitely caused a lot of self doubt
(09:15):
in the beginning. But over the course of my career,
you know, I realized that I do deserve to be here,
and I deserve as much space on space on track
as anybody else. And again like, go prove it out
on the track.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I have a question that I've always wondered, and I'm
sure this applies to all racing in that in that
world there has to there is some unwritten rule, right,
like you're not trying to cause an accident just to win.
I mean, there's I'm sure that's the case, right, there's
an unwritten rule that you just you're trying to take
the lead safely if you will, and cut someone off
(09:50):
safely if you will. But I know, like you said,
there are bumps and there are nudges and there, and
I don't think people realize and I just know, I
just know a little bit about this, But there is
a calculated way of racing where I'm tapping you, I'm
tapping you, where i'm cutting you off, letting you know
I'm coming in and don't tap me, like, don't cause
an accident. Like there's a dance so to speak, when
(10:12):
you're on the track to try to take the lead
and move past people.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Right, Yeah, for sure. And you can definitely see that
more in sports for racing than in formula racing, for example,
because I think if you bump people in formula racing,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, it's tired of tired, it's gone.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
But NASCAR probably similar to you guys, it's nudging like
you can get by, yes, but you guys have corners
that are quick, so it's a bit different.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
But like you said, it is kind of like a dance.
It's definitely a mental game out there. Racing is like
eighty five percent mental. So it's all about getting in
your competitor's head. If you're, you know, bumping them up
the straight for example, you're telling them like, look, I'm here,
like i'm here, like watch your mirrors again. It's all
about the mental game.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Well, because I imagine right like like you said, there's
gonna be a point let's say on a turn or
a straightaway that and I don't I would love to
know what goes through your mind, like you have to.
There's gonna be a time when you might have to
concede because the person's in a position where if you
do too much, it's going to cause an accident. So
now you've mentally realized they do have an edge in
this certain moment and they might pass you. You could obviously
(11:14):
pass them again later. But is that what kind of
how it works? Like you have to calculate if you're
conceding to the position or if you're gonna take or
if you're in the opposite and you're gonna take over
the position they need to concede. Is that the mental
game that goes on forcing them into a position to
submit on a turn or on a straightaway.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah. Again, it's like you said, all a mental game.
It's kind of like these split second decisions you're looking at.
You're kind of like going into a corner, You're seeing
like are they gonna break later than me? Are they
going to overshoot the corner? And then in that way
like I let them pass me, but then I kind
of like undercut them. You know. There's like a lot
of different strategies that go into it, but it's really
(11:54):
you know, where you are in the corner at the time.
There's a lot of things going on, and it's really
about playing that game for sure.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
It's what I love about sports. It's like people don't
understand all the little nuances in every sport. But it's
not just laid out in a big, common sort of way,
right Like every even golfer, exact little tiny nuances that
you change with every swing, every little tactic.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Race car driving is the same thing. You're not just
racing around a track.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
There's so much strategy going into every decision you make
to position yourself to win.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
It's not just driving a car. There's so much.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
How do you mentally deal with accidents knowing that at
any moment life You know, life can change in a second,
you know, if you get into a really bad accident,
and it can happen anytime you race.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
For sure. Thankfully, like the race cars nowadays are very
very safe. I mean, we've seen some pretty horrific crashes
and the drivers just walking out completely fine. I mean,
the safety standards nowadays are just so much better. But
I had my very first big crash in twenty seventeen.
I hit a wall at one hundred miles per hour
(12:58):
and I had I kept my foot on the break,
which you're not supposed to do, but you know, the
fight or flight kicked in and I sprained my ankle
because of that.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
But other than that, I was fine, okay. But at
the time I was like, I think it was nineteen
years old, that was my third year in racing. It
definitely just shattered my self confidence and I was getting
like a lot of hate comments and social media people
being like, oh, like woman driver, like typical whatever, right,
and so it was just like a very dark time
(13:26):
for me that week. But I'm really glad I was
able to kind of pick myself back up off the ground.
I got right back into a race car the week after,
and you know that kind of that was like definitely
like a breaking point in my career for sure. It
taught me a lot, taught me how to kind of
push through self doubts and resistances and really learn from
(13:47):
my failures because I feel like I was being really
hard on myself, but I had to really kind of
just manage my expectations and just get back into It shows.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
You how every sport mental toughness is probably one of
the most important aspects to any sport to be great,
because so many people can have a skill, and it
can be great at a skill, but if you don't
have the mental toughness to get back up after you've
been knocked down in a major way with an accident,
or you know you missed the game when you shot
(14:19):
or whatever, you know, on and on and on with sport,
it's like, if you are not mentally capable of overcoming
those lows, you'll never reach your greatest high.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
It's impossible.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I don't care how good you are in any sport.
It's fascinating to hear that even with motocross like or
motorsport like driving it's it's so interesting.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
I apologize for my ignorance. I just don't know too
much about the sport. But when it comes to prize money, right,
let's say you win the one that is coming up,
the Long what is it, the Long Beach, the Long
Beach Grand Prix, you win that, right, This mighty face.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Is for the biggest that's a big one, right.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Oh, it's actually a standalone event for me. It's not
part of my main series, okay, but it is a
very big event itself. It's a lot of different race
series racing at this event, so it is a big event.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
So what what is the prize money like if you win?
Like how much are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Not sure what is in that standalone race for example,
but in my main.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Series, that's the biggest race, like I think it's.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Ten ten or twenty five thousand for first place. I
have to check on that the biggest race, right for
first place. And we do two races per weekend in
my series, so you have a lot of opportunities to
go get that.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Is it all year, all year round kind of sport
or is it like different seasons or do you race all.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Year depending on what series you compete in. It can
be all year. We always joke that there really is
no off season in racing. Start as early as January
and as late as December, so it could be year around.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Is training kind of it has to be year around
two training. I mean you have to probably stay fresh.
Like our daughter plays competitive tennis, which is how only
that can I can sort of equate. You know, this
mindset too, is that she's always has to be on
the court, whether she's maybe a day off a week
is Physically it gets training and all that too. But
like if you don't stay fresh on all of your
stuff that you're doing, all the split second decisions and
(16:28):
the on and off and move and this and that
and physically stay ready, it's it's very hard to probably
just jump back in after having two weeks of not
driving or something.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, for sure, training is a very very big aspect
of racing for sure, And like a lot of people
think it's just driving, but it can. You know, the
car could reach up to like one hundred and thirty
degrees fahrenheit in the cockpit and over the course of
two hours, you can lose out to two pounds of
water weight. You're dealing with j Forrest's and the brake
pedal is much more difficult to push than your typical
(17:00):
streetcar break pedal. So it's literally like a leg day
every time I get in the car. So I'm, you know,
trying to go to the gym five times a week.
I do car ding, I do some sim when I can.
It's like sim racing just to kind of stay sharp
because I've been out of the car actually since October.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
So, Wow, what's your super Bowl in your series? Like,
what's the big Is there a big one? Like you
know in tennis, there's the majors, right, there's Wimbledon, and
there's US Open, but they have all these different other
tournaments throughout, but the majors are the big ones in
your series?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Is there a major or a couple of majors?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yeah, I would say the pinnacle of sports car racing
is these like endurance races, these twenty four hour races,
because it's not just it's not just testing the drivers,
it's testing the car as it's testing the teams. You know,
you have to endure that that time period, right, So
the top endurance race, I would say, and it's it's
my ultimate goal is the twenty four hour of the Mall,
(17:58):
which is in Frontants, but there's three others. These are
kind of like, you know, the top four that every
driver wants to do, but twenty four of them all
twenty four hour Daytona, twenty four hour Spa which is
in Belgium, and the twenty four hour Nurbur Break which
is in Germany. So those are kind of like the
Big four.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Very cool and what do you do to clear your
mind when you want to take a break from all
the race car driving? Your producers told us that you
love fashion and beauty and that's something that you're also
very passionate.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
I thought that it was very interesting that you like
to be made up, so you do your makeup under
the helmet so you feel them powered, you feel beautiful.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
What is it? Makeup is kind of like my creative outlet,
So sometimes I'll do a little bit more of a
creative look on race day. But I always feel that
if you know, I feel good, then I will perform well,
so you know, why not do it? And I feel
like femininity in general in the sport has always kind
of been looked down upon that you know, people have
said things like, oh, we're just in it for the attention,
(18:58):
et cetera, et cetera. So I've always tried to prove
that you can both be feminine and be a successful racer.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
So that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Why you know, it's all about being true to myself,
like these are things that I'm interested in, and then
I'm not afraid to show it.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
What is that usually? What is age?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
For motorsports, people do it until wet age.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
In sports car racing, it's actually quite a wide age
range every all the way up until I've seen people
who are in like their seventies still racing.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
So competitively competitively.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah. Yeah, they're very experienced, so they kind of like
make up for you know, you know, your reaction time
kind of decreases over the years, but I feel like
they make up for it with their experience. So in
sports car racing, it's a pretty wide age range. But
in formula racing, I like Formula One. Now I feel
like that's the oldest driver like thirty.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Oh wow, that's insane. What do you think is it's
it's your north your twenty six years years old.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
You're very very young.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
But if you had to complement and this sport with
something else, or if you end up retiring at some point,
what is your north, Like you want to transition this
into what.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I mean, as somebody who never had a role model
in the industry, I've always wanted to have my own
kind of like junior program for to help girls break
into the industry. So, you know, that's kind of where
I see myself maybe after my racing career is finished,
helping guide girls in the industry because it is very
(20:28):
difficult and i'd love to, you know, in part the
knowledge that I have, because yeah, I've always wanted to
be the role model I never had.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
That's amazing. You're like a brand branding dream. I'm assuming
you're getting those kinds of opportunities. You know, you're doing
something that is male dominated. You're a female, you're beautiful,
you're into fashion, you're really good at what you do.
Is like, I'm hoping that you're getting a lot of
opportunity to become the phase of different things because that's
very inspiring for people that look like you, so they
(20:57):
feel represented. You know.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Oh, I really appreciate that we do have some sponsors.
I will say that it is very difficult for women
to get sponsorship, not just in motorsports, but in sports
in general. And you know, I feel that still to
this day, like people still would rather sponsor the male
drivers or the female drivers just because they don't have
as much faith and the results, I guess. But I'm
(21:23):
very proud to have brought on board many supportive partners,
you know, like BMW. They've been very supportive in my
career and to you know, now be officially part of
the team there, it's just a dream come true for me.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
So I'm working on your makeup line.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I would love to be amazing.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
I'm super inspiring, you know what It's like, It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I would have ndered this long reach Grand Prix. I've
actually never been. I'm from l A. I've never been
to Are you from? Where are you from?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
I'm from Toronto Originally.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, is this a big sport up there as well?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
It is. But part of the reason why I moved
to the States is because racing is a much bigger
industry here than it is in Canada. Like we do
have some racing stuff, but definitely like the sponsorships, the opportunities,
and just the industry as a whole bigger here.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Okay, I wonder if you can do like stunt I
don't know if I'm making this up, but like all
this like stunt workpeople.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Driving, she'd kill it.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
You can do that, right, You can actually do some
stunt driving for movies.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
At a little sneak peek. I just did a commercial
and I got to do my own stunt, which is face.
So that'll be coming out shortly, so stay tuned for that.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Well, we should get some tickets and go see you.
That would be a lot of fun to go to
the I love that he would be it. Yeah, little boys,
he's six and our daughter's twelve, but he is. I'm
telling you obsessed that what goes faster all the time?
Lamborghini fashions far, what's the fastest car out there? Like
I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
They were like, they're all pretty fast, but you can
only go you know, eighty.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Of max pretty much when you're driving been around in
the freeway, you can't go that fast. You know, you're
not even supposed to go eighty, but most people do.
This is like, you know, I want them to experience.
I think you get a really get a real kick
out of that.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Scene a race.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
So maybe we'll we'll we'll inquire more about your you
guys in the day you race and all that. That
might be fun to come out and support you.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I would love to have you. And actually we do
have a media day on April nine where I will
be taking passengers out on the track itself.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Oh god, okay, April weekday.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Look, oh, it's a weekday. It's a Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
We could pull them from It's okay.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
When is the race? It's just kindergarten. When the race exactly?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
The race itself is April nineteen, but my first race
of the season is actually in Sonoma in a couple
of weeks, April five, weekend.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Oh wow, okay, that's April. That's wait wait wait weekend April.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Fifth, April five to seven.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Okay, yeah, and then you go.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
You come right back here for the Long Beach, the
Long Beach one and that's on the night.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Okay, maybe, all right, let's let's inquire. Let's look into
this. This could be a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Thank you so much much. This was a pleasure for
having you.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Oh, thank you for having me talking to you.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
You the very best, bye, thank you, bye bye. So
great that she is courageous and I don't even know
how to.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
It's the field. Yeah yeah, Like she said, it kind
of came out of nowhere. She got this ditch when
she experienced it, and she's obviously maximizing.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I love that she's breaking breaking barriers and making things
happen her way and making a mark. I really would
love to go out and support her. I think that'd
be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Dealing with love it, love and love it all.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Right, Well, everybody, get ready, stay tuned, watch her journey,
and until next time, I love you.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Love you, thanks for listening. Don't forget to write us
a review and tell us what you think.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
If you want to follow us on Instagram, check goes
out at he said. Is that email Eric and Ross
at iHeartRadio dot com. He said, is part of iHeartRadio's
Mike would Do Up podcast network.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
See you next time. Bye,
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