May 13, 2024 • 40 mins
In this episode, Tudor discusses the controversy surrounding Kristi Noem and potentially the end of her political career. She highlights Noem's book, in which she talks about shooting her dog, and the negative response it received. Tudor also criticizes the media's focus on this story while ignoring the issue of abortion. She shares stories from The Washington Post about the experiences of women who have taken abortion pills at later stages of pregnancy, highlighting the physical and emotional trauma they go through. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm so glad you
guys are here. But you knew, you knew it had
to happen. You knew that we were going to have
to cover the end of Christinhams's career, at least her
political career. I don't know. She may go on to
work for I don't know, like a puppy mill or something.
I'm not sure, but at this moment, it looks like
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she's pretty much done in politics. And I know you've
heard the story, and if you haven't heard the story,
I'll give you a little bit of an update really
quick on what she what exactly killed her career. So
she wants to be vice president. I mean, she doesn't
even hide it. She definitely wants to be vice president.
And I do think that she wrote her book intending
to show herself as this tough lady who could definitely
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take over in case of emergency and run the country.
Apparently she underestimated the amount of people that like animals
in the country, which is weird because I feel like
it's kind of a well known thing. But she talked
about shooting a dog, her dog. Let's just be honest.
It was a puppy. It was fourteen months old. But
she says, well, I'll just read some of it. She
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says that this dog attacked chickens like a trained assassin.
That's what she said. But then she goes on after
she killed the dog, took the dog to a gravel pit.
She shot the dog, not even like she put the
dog down with a vet. I think that's part of
the problem we're all disturbed by. Like it's one thing
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to have a dog that you say has done some
bad things, and then you're like, this is devastating. We
have to go take the dog and put the dog down.
Not many of us are like, going to the gravel pit,
I'm going to shoot the dog. But that's what she did.
And then she went on to say, I hated that dog.
This is part of the book. I hated that dog.
Noom recalls calling Cricket less than worthless as a hunting dog, untrainable,
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and dangerous to anyone she came in contact with. At
that moment, I realized I had to put her down.
So you can see people were like, yeah, you just
don't go out and shoot your dog. But then the
political like media monster sort of started to consume this,
and you would expect the left to immediately jump on this,
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so the leftist media, but it was really widely received
as a bad, bad thing. But here I wanted you
to see what they say about how puppies pull, so
listen to this.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
But listen, I mean puppies still pull pretty well. They
certainly pull higher than Christy Nome. Right well, right now,
I think she's done in the vieps Race.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, that was on MSNBC, So we're like, okay, obviously
MSNBC is going to attack her and say she's done
for the VIEP Race. Although this is kind of like
an episode of VIEP. I could see this happening, especially
how it rolled out with like they keep putting her
out there and it's sort of like watching an episode
of Seinfeld. But it's not funny. You know Seinfeld, you
always expect something funny, but the whole time you feel
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kind of uncomfortable that the entire last week of watching
Christy Um on television. So she goes on Newsmax. You
would think news Max would like try to save her,
throw her a lifeline, help her out. But Rob Finnerty,
who you've heard on this program a few times, he
really just destroys her in the most polite but accurate,
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destructive way. Here it is I.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Agree with you there, but going back to what you
said a moment ago, maybe not lying to the American people.
And I think this is important to talk about because
the book's called No Going Back the Truth on What's
wrong with Politics, And I think part of the problem
with politics today is that politicians aren't honest with the
American people. So if Governor, if you asked me a
month ago, who's at the top of the list to
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run with Donald Trump, I would have said your name.
If you ask me that same question this morning, I
don't even think you're on the list, really, So my
question for you, yes, really, And it's because of things
that have come out in this book, like your claims
that you met Kim Jong Unn.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
She's like really, I think at this moment she's realized
that her comms team has done her a disservice, because
I do think in politics you can do shady things
and come back from them. We've seen politicians do it
all the time. I mean Bill Clinton is a perfect example.
He did all kinds of shady crap. Look at Hillary
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my gosh, BEng ghazis. Then she runs for president. You
can do a lot of stuff and come back from it,
but your comms team has to be a little smarter
than this. Once this starts happening, if you decide we're
still going to go on with the buck tour, which
was probably a bad decision. Once this starts happening, you'd
think you'd pull her, but no, she keeps going. She
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keeps going. And I think Varney was probably the funniest
one because you kind of think of Varney as the
serious guy. But he's not gonna let her out of it.
Listen to this.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I still think that you are in line to be
Trump's vice president. It's up to Donald Trump. He's the
only person who will decide this. He's the only person
who will decide. And I spoke, yes, I do speak
to him. May I ask what you said to you
about being Oh, I never tell anybody my personal conversations
with conversation. I talked to President Trump all the time
about the dogs, about a lot of things. And right
now I tell you what. He is being persecuted in
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a political hunt, which hunt in this court case. So
I'm proud of him about how tough he is and
how well he is doing. Did you bring up enough Steward?
This interview is ridiculous what you were doing right now,
So you need to stop.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
It is okay, it is.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Let's talk about some real topics that Americans care about.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I'm afraid we are ount of time.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Oh well, of course we are.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
We do. Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I know I press hard, but that's what people.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Are talking about to this day.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah, got to know, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
We appreciate it. He's right, that's what people are talking about.
They are going to she's literally on a tour for
the book. Of course they're going to ask her about
the book. And this is the biggest story in the
book right now. And so I'm pretty sure that after Varney,
she went back to her comms team, and the comms
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team was like, we're we're going to go home. We're
going to go back to South Dakota, and we're going
to make sure that we don't have any gravel pits
on the side of the road on the way there,
for fear they were going to end up there because
this was truly the end of her career. But I
want to take kind of a different. Look at this,
because I agree the story is horrendous, it's awful. Everyone
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is talking about how you can't do this to animals.
But let's dig in a little deeper on the left
and how much they're pushing on this. This is from
the Daily Show.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
The past few years, I have been wondering how far
is too far for the right wing maga crowd. And
now we know it's shooting your dog in a gravel
pits that is not acceptable.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
How far is too far for the magabrite? This is
where I take exception. How far is too far for
the left. So we can all agree that killing puppies
is too far. But I want to read you something
that was recently in the Washington Post talking about killing babies.
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This is something that the left is able to get
out of. They never have to talk about it. I mean,
look at you have the press secretary for the president.
She talked about the killing poppies too. Listen to what
she said.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
We find her comments from yesterday disturbing, We find them absurd.
And here this is a country that loves dogs and
you have a leader talking about putting dogs down, killing them,
and that's a disturbing statement to say I would say
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to I would say to her, is she probably should
stop digging herself in a hole.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
It's interesting we have a country that loves dogs. She's
talking about putting dogs down, a leader who's digging herself
a hole, and yet the leaders on the left they
can talk about murdering babies every single day. In fact,
they're running on it. I mean, it goes beyond just
being able to talk about it. They're running on it.
(08:08):
So while I think what Christy nom wrote in her
book is horrendous, and the fact that she writes it
with no remorse is even worse, but the fact that
that to the left is appalling, and yet pro life
people are also appalling to them. Let me contrast what
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Karine Jean Pierre said about killing puppies with what she
said about limits on abortion. Here it is does President
Biden favor any limits on abortion?
Speaker 6 (08:41):
We've been very very clear here since you're talking about
my topper, I was talking specifically about Senator Lindsay Graham.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
And your position on his plan is clear.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Fifteen weeks is unacceptable.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Well, speaking to directly to what Republicans are trying to do.
So they are calling they are calling for a national
band which takes us backwards, which will it's a national
ban which will take us backwards and will put at
risk the health of women.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
So if you're calling for limits on abortion, let's be honest.
This isn't a band. This is limits on abortion. This
is making sure that you're not killing babies up to
the moment of birth, and the limit it's not extreme.
The majority of European countries are under fifteen weeks, but
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also the majority of abortions are under fifteen weeks in
the United States. Doug M. Hoff goes out and he says,
my gosh, you know, there's a six week ban in
some of these states, and nobody even knows they're pregnant
before six weeks. Guess what, Forty five percent of abortions
in the United States happen at sixteen weeks or six
weeks or before. Forty five percent of abortions happen at
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six weeks or before. He's saying, most people don't even
know they're pregnant, and yet almost half of abortions happened.
Then she's talking about fifteen weeks. That was Kreeen Jean Pierre.
She's talking about the fact that Lindsey Graham came out
and said he thought there should be a fifteen week
limit on abortion, and she says, this is putting women's
health at risk. Ninety three percent of abortions in the
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United States of America are performed at thirteen weeks or before.
I mean, we can put these bands out there or
these limits out there, they're not changing anything. So all
these people that are concerned it's changing something, it's actually
not changing anything. The sad thing I think is that
we've gotten to this point where the left can glorify abortion.
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I mean, listen, listen to Kamala Harris talking about this
is first of all, this is their campaign staple. This
is what they're running on, every one of them. This
is what they ran on in Michigan. Gretchen Whitmer, she's
a queen of abortion. She wants to go across the country.
She even says Joe Biden's not talking about abortion enough,
like Kamala Harris has to get out there. She has
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got to talk about abortion. My goodness, the woman has to.
I mean, she's never had a child, but maybe she
has a great experience in this category. I don't know,
but she's the Vice president. She's got to talk about it,
but she thinks it's hilarious. Here she is.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Let me just tell you, you guys are going to have
to be ready for this, ready for certain language.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
And I said, very loudly, ovaries philopian tubes, right.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
Un.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
It's a joke. It's a joke to them, such a
joke to them. They're willing to bet their entire political
career on whether or not they can make sure abortion exists.
So let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next
on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I want to get to
that Washington Post story so you can hear about the
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jokes that are real life abortion stories. And the funny
thing about this story in the Washington Post is that
they wrote this story because they're like, look at what
Republicans are trying to do. They're putting women in danger
because they're taking this abortion pill and they might be
in states where it's not legal to have an abortion
at a certain point in time, and so the abortion
pill causes problems. Now, you may remember a few weeks back,
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we had some doctors on who were fighting the Supreme Court.
They were they were fighting the FDA taking them to
the Supreme Court because they said they had changed their
requirements and the abortion pill, and women were taking it
without a doctor, without a doctor's appointment, and they were
getting into trouble because if you take it after a
certain point, you can have problems, but you can have
complications anytime, and they're ending up in the er, and
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they just wanted to have this appointment with the doctors
back Now, the Washington Post is saying you should have
abortion care at home. But the problem is that in
some of these states it's really hard for these women
to have abortion care at home. You got to hear this, though.
I don't think this is the win they thought it was,
so they say. They spoke with more than three dozen doctors, advocates,
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leading researchers, and women who took pills in states where
abortion has been banned because of dobbs over the phone
and in person. Many women described experiencing deep anxiety and
uncertainty about doing something they assumed was illegal. These feelings
often it's intensified after they took the medication, with some
not expecting the level of pain or the amount of
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bleeding they would experience or get this this, Tommy, I
think is the real shocker or how much of the
fetus they would see. A few use the pills later
in pregnancy than the FDA recommends, a few use the
pill later in pregnancy than the FDA recommends, and they
were shocked by the amount of fetus they saw. I mean,
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to me, it's just so disturbing. But there's this group
and they have this organization that answers. Calls it organization
the Miscarriage and Abortion Hotline. It was founded by this woman.
She's a physician. Doctor Prine co founded the Miscarriage and
Abortion Hotline in twenty nineteen as a resource for people
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self managing miscarriages or abortions at home. I don't know
how many people would ever self manage a miscarriage. So
I just think that's baloney. Like, you have a miscarriage,
you go to your doctor. This is about abortion, Let's
be honest, That's what this is about. So Linda Prine
was answering a few I'm going to read this to
you because I think you have to hear it. You
have to hear this and know that the Washington Post
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is writing this. The same people outraged by the death
of a puppy are going to write this like it's
just okay. Linda Prine was answering a few emails, coffee
mug in hand, when her cellphone rang. Hi, this is
the hotline doctor, the seventy two year old said from
her New York City home one Sunday morning in January.
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Can I help you? The voice Priane heard was quiet
and scared, belonging to a fifteen year old with an
area code in a state with an abortion band, who
had taken pills and passed a fetus larger than she'd expected.
Unable to flush the fetus down the toilet, the girl
asked about throwing it away. She was young enough to
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be Prine's granddaughter. Priane cradled the phone in both hands
and leaned in, trying to channel every ounce of reassurance
and understanding she could muster through the phone line. There's
nothing in there that's traceable back to you, as long
as you don't tell anyone. Let me reiterate that the
hotline doctor, the doctor out of New York City. When
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the girl calls and says she actually has a dead
baby in her arms or in her toilet, I guess
that she can't flush. She can't flush it because it's
a baby that's too large to flush down the toilet.
The doctor in New York City tells her, there's nothing
that's traceable back to you, as long as you don't
tell anyone.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
To me, this is documenting a crime. And I know
a lot of people are going to say, oh, she
would criminalize this. There are laws about a corpse, and
this is a doctor who should have said, you know what,
this is a very sad situation. We have laws around this.
We have to bring someone in. I don't think the
girl should be held accountable, but I do think that
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someone who gave a fifteen year old girl abortion pills
when she was clearly well past the ten weeks that
it was acceptable should be that we should track that
person down and find out what they're doing and take
their medical license away because she put this little girl
in major danger. The girl asked if the abortion made
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her a bad person. No, it doesn't, Prian said, not
a bit. You are doing what's right for you and
your future family. She added, her voice firm, this way
you can be a good mom when you're ready to
be a good mom. This girl is in a terrible situation.
She's scared, she's fifteen, years old. We don't know how
far along she is, but she's got a baby in
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her toilet that's dead. And the Washington Post puts this
out in an article like this is something to be glorified.
Thank goodness, we could help this young woman. This wasn't
helping her. What is going to happen to her knowing
that she has to remember that the rest of her life.
And she had no care. Don't tell me that this
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is reproductive care. She had no care. She had no
care at all. Care would be Hey, you know what,
the FDA does not recommend you take these pills at
this time. If you need to do this, it needs
to be done a different in a safe way. But
this is how they decided to do it. And they
decided that it was such a good story they were
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going to print it in their newspaper and talk about it.
Here's the thing. They also say the hotline typically receives
about thirty calls and fifty texts every single day because
it becomes so common now to take this pill. Because
if you listen to the mainstream media, I mean, gosh,
Caitlin Collins just had this interview where she's like, this
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is as safe as an advil, it turns out you're
actually going into labor. I mean, it's terrible. And these
girls aren't prepared because they've been listening to the mainstream
media who says it's no big deal. Last time I
took an advill, it actually took my pain away, didn't
create pain. So imagine their shock when they go into
labor with a dead baby. They say, in a state
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where this is illegal, I can go get medical care
and make sure everything is okay. That's what this hotline
is for. She said. She and her colleagues hear the
same questions again and again on the hotline. These are
some of the questions. Am I bleeding too much? Am
I bleeding? Am I not bleeding enough? Is it normal
to have this much pain? That's a common question. You
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know why, because glorifying abortion and glorifying murdering babies doesn't
actually tell you that when you do this, it's going
to be incredibly painful, it's going to be a bad experience,
and it's going to be something that you'll remember the
rest of your life. They say. Patients who take the
abortion pills seek emergency care, ranging from one point three
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to eight percent. One point three percent to eight percent
of the people who are taking these pills then have
to also seek emergency care. I mean, I don't think
that's the case with advil, but I guess maybe I'm
not sure. I want to read another one to you
because this one is also hard. And I'm reading this
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to you because the Washington Post put this out there
and they believe that this is something that is going
to make you say, man, this pill should be widely
available and we should continue to have people taking it home.
So this woman's name is Brianna. At her home in Alabama,
Brihanna waited to take the pills until she'd put all
of her children to sleep. Cramps in her lower back
came first, followed by full body chills, and eventually contractions
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more painful than those she remembered in childbirth. After lying
in bed for two hours, Brihanna felt something pop under
the comforter, followed by a gush of warm liquid seeping
down her legs. Her water broke. She ran to the bathroom,
she recalled in interviews in a journal entry, where she
felt a mass larger than the palm of larger than
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her palm, drop into the toilet. This can't be happening,
she thought to herself. She looked down to see a
bloody umbilical cord dangling between her legs. When the pills
first arrived in the mail a few days earlier in
April twenty twenty three, Brianna had expected to experience what
would be more than difficult. The doctors exp who administered
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the medication through aid access, cautioned Brianna that they quote
do not like to recommend medical abortions as far into
pregnancy as she would be when the pills reached her.
You see, she reached out to the clinic around eleven
to twelve weeks. They don't know because she didn't have
a doctor's appointment. They're assuming she reached out to the
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clinic around eleven to twelve weeks. Then, because this is
a clinic that's overseas, it took a while for her
to get the pills, So they are thinking that when
she finally took the pills, she was probably between fifteen
to sixteen weeks pregnant. This pill is not recommended past
ten weeks, but they're giving it to people because they
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want to make sure they have access right alone in
the bathroom. It goes on alone in the bathroom. Brianna
had no idea what to do. The Aid access doctors
had told her to expect nausea, vomiting, chills, blood clots,
and a fetus at least the size of an orange.
Emails show they said nothing about an umbilical chord. She
orders this through a phone call. They've never seen her.
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They're never going to see her. They're not even on
the side of the pond. She's never going to see
these people. She doesn't know she's giving birth to a
dead baby. She thinks she's having a heavy period. She's
shocked to find out there's an umbilical cord. What is
she going to do about this? And she goes into
questioning this. Do I pull it out? Brianna wondered, frantically,
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trying to remember what the doctors had done when she
gave birth. She's her own doctor at this point. She's
just given birth to a dead baby. She has an
umbilical cord. She doesn't know what to do. She says,
do I just try to push it out? Her boyfriend's
sleeping in the other room. She's afraid to wake him up.
She doesn't want to go to the emergency room. Finally,
she decides to call this number, Misscarage and abortion hotline.
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She'd seen an email from aid Access where she got
the pills. They get on the phone and they say,
that's the placenta you need to push out when you
feel the next contraction. I want you to push like
you were give birth. Well, because that's what this is.
Brianna sat there with the umbilical cord hanging loose for
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at least fifteen minutes before the placenta finally dropped into
the toilet. So here's the behind the scenes. There a
bunch of doctors. They're getting together because they call this hotline,
and then this doctor's like, what do we do? This
is maybe a bad situation, because guess what, it is
a bad situation. I've lived this situation when I lost
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my child, when we went through a miscarriage. I had
this situation where the placenta didn't come out, and guess what,
I had to go to surgery. So she could have
been moments away from surgery. She didn't know, And let's
be honest, these doctors didn't know they were on the
phone with her. So apparently, behind the scenes they're going
back and forth and there are some doctors that are saying, no,
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she has to this is an emergency. But this doctor,
Prine says, the same one that told the fifteen year old,
nobody's going to be able to trace that dead body
back to you. She says, we didn't feel like it
was a medical emergency. She wasn't leading heavily, she wasn't lightheaded.
We would have recommended to go to the ear if
we thought it was medically necessary. However, another person chimes in,
another doctor that the Washington Post talked to you and said,
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whenever there is something inside the uterus that is trying
to come out and won't come out, the risk of
bleeding and infection gets higher with every passing moment. At
that point, your life is the most important thing. Well
wait a minute, what I thought this was life saving care?
Or maybe it's endangering your life. I mean, we know
somebody died that day. Apparently Brianna almost died too. So
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it goes on. As difficult as the situation was, Brianna
says she is extremely grateful that aid Access was willing
to send her the pills, that someone on the hotline
was available to talk her through it. Without the hotline,
I would have been completely lost and literally completely alone.
The ladies stayed on the phone with me for hours.
I wish I knew her name. Brianna stayed in the
bathroom that night for more than an hour. She knew
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she shouldn't look at the fetus, she said, she knew this,
but she couldn't help it. In the toilet, she could
make out a head, and she remembered thinking the legs
looked long. There was a baby in her toilet. The
next thing she says, I think is the most powerful part.
Remember this is in the Washington Post and they're talking
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about how great it was that she was able to
do this. This is from the same people that say,
shout your abortion. The next line from her, I felt
like a monster. This is what happens these women who
are not ten weeks pregnant, who are not six weeks pregnant,
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who are not passing blood clots in the toilet, They
are oftentimes thirteen weeks pregnant, fifteen weeks pregnant. Hmm, and
this company Aid Access is sending them these pills. The
problem is if you you are that far along, it's
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just at that point it's going to be a baby
that you're going to see in the toilet. But don't worry.
They follow up that statement literally, let me read it
to you again. I felt like a monster, she said.
Reflecting back on that moment a year later, Brianna said
she is certain she made the right decision for herself
and her family, but she wishes someone had told her
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more about what to expect. If she had known the
full extent of what could happen during a medical abortion
at fifteen or sixteen weeks, she said, she probably would
have searched harder for an out of state clinic. Hey,
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So please make sure you get out there and do
that and help our friends over in Israel. This is
the thing. It's happening now, and we have no real record.
I mean, we know that we believe it's ninety three
percent of abortions happen on or before thirteen weeks. But
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now we don't have a record because telehealth is allowing
people in other countries to send our young women abortion
pills and let them go into labor with a dead
baby at their house without any explanation of what they're
going to actually experience. These people take a pill and
wait for their baby to die. Then they take a
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second pill and they wait to go into labor. And
you know that this is true because these people from
Access said this is This is part of the article too,
if we think people might be longer than that, meaning
longer than eleven weeks, because it says, you know, they
should be no further along than eleven weeks. And then
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it says if we think people might be longer than that,
they get an email to make sure they can navigate
the situation. I think of all the things in life
that you actually have to like see someone for, but
they're going to send them an email like these are
the instructions for you to get through this situation, they said.
The doctor who personally prescribed Brianna's medication. According to the
documentation reviewed by the Post, this is the doctor that
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said that. It says women have agency, they are perfectly
capable of making these choices about their own health, and
we're here to support them the best we can. There
are decisions about my health that I have sat down
and painstakingly reviewed with my physician, and they've shown me
examples of what else has happened, what could happen, what
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the future could be, what I'll go through. We've talked extensively,
especially as a cancer patient. I am never going to say, yeah,
women can't handle making choices. Of course they can. That's
not what this is. They're not sitting down and having
a discussion. They're being told, this is your choice. Do
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this take this pill. You'll be fine. If ever, everything's
not fine, here's a number to call. Knowing that the
majority of these people are going to have to call
this number because once they figure out they just killed
their baby and they're going into some horrible hard labor
at home. It's not so easy, they say, it's just
so crazy. This is the last thing I'll read from it. Still,
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Prian said she has fielded far more of these calls
from women later in pregnancy than she would like. They
know they're coming through. They're openly admitting it's happening more
often than we know beyond the thirteen weeks. So maybe
that number is just what they're recording, because obviously these
people are doing things that are against the law. They're
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probably not medically recording this correctly. Eight access is not
even in the US. And this woman's telling a young
girl that she can throw away a fetus, So what
does she care? You know? Right, So, she says she's
fielded far more of these calls from women later in
pregnancy than she would like, averaging one a day on
the hotline in the months after the Supreme Court decision.
(31:25):
Of course, this goes back to Dobbs. It's because of
Dobbs that this is happening one call a day and
on average coming into this hotline of a woman who
has taken this pill well beyond the ten weeks and
is having troubles. She says some of the callers had
no idea how far along they were until they passed
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the pregnancies. Others knew, but chose to go ahead. Some
of them have no idea. Again, this goes back to
those doctors we had on who were saying, we want
to make sure that you have to have an appointment
ahead of time. You know how far along you are,
you know it's not an ectopic pregnancy. You know that
you're safe taking this pill. But no, forget about that.
We're getting rid of those laws. We're getting rid of
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those rules. We're going to let women have this experience
at home without any preparation. We're not going to have
any medical care again, how can you call this care?
How dare you? How dare these people get on television
and say, my gosh, we can't believe that this could
happen to puppies, and then in the next breath glorify abortion.
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If you care that much about puppies, how can you
care any less about babies about humans? It's shocking. But
this is how, this is how I just want to
end this, because this is how they write it in
the Washington Post. Beyond twelve or thirteen weeks, women will
see a much more developed fetus with its identify viable features,
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so they know it. They know they're going to see
a much more developed fetus. That's what Brianna saw. She
saw a head. She could even make out that the
baby was going to have long legs. Her baby was
going to be tall. Not now, there is no baby now,
but people are going to see their baby. As someone
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who has seen my baby at eighteen weeks along, when
we lost her and we held her in our arms,
it's hard. It is a hard sight for someone who
desperately wanted the baby and lost the baby. I can't
imagine how much more difficult it is to see that
baby knowing you chose to let them go. And I
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say this not in any way to condemn the women
saying why are we not honest about this? Why is
it so hard to talk about this subject? Because I
think if a lot more women knew that this was
how it's going to go, they would have more conversations
about it, maybe they would choose differently in life. Because
I've also had young women tell me I don't want
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to take abortion. I'd rather do this because I don't
have to have so many chemicals in my body all
the time. I don't want to take birth control. I'd
rather choose this. They don't want to take birth control.
They'd rather choose this. They don't fully understand what this is.
And then they're going through this, and let me tell you,
it doesn't go away, because this is what is how
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the doctor ends this segment of this portion of the
Washington Post article. We hear the trauma when we talk
to people. It's an image you can't get out of
your head. I read this and it has stuck with me.
I read this weeks ago, and it's stuck with me.
And then as I saw what was happening with Christy Nom,
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I'm like, man, I think it's really wacko too, to
think that she just went out there and did this.
And it wasn't so much wacko that she wanted to
protect her family or anything like that. But the wacko
part was like the lack of remorse. I hated this dog,
just had to kill the dog. But then I was
reminded of this, and I think about the lack of
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remorse of these doctors who glorify this, and yet they've
seen so many young women go through tragic experiences and
it's over for them the minute they shut down the hotline,
the minute they get off the phone, the minute they
hang up. That's over for them, for the doctor. That
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fifteen year old girl lives with that the rest of
her life. And what did she end up doing with
the baby? Does she constantly the rest of her life
feel like I discarded a body. And I'm not kidding.
I mean I read this and I was like, holy crap.
This is the Washington Post saying this is a good thing,
Like thank goodness, these women had this. They call it
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care again, I will not call it care. Had access
to these pills. Where is the care? Where is the care?
And how does the mainstream media go? This is so great.
All people should be voting for this, I understand. I'm
just going to close this by saying, I understand that
these women get into tragic situations. In Brianna's story, the backstory,
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she was thirty four, she had several children. She felt
like she couldn't afford this child. She felt like this
was her only option. I can't imagine being in that situation.
Now she will always have this memory of this, and
it's tragic. The fifteen year old girl a same situation.
(36:29):
She's well, she's young, she doesn't have any ability to
care for this child. I mean, that's what they say
in the story, we don't know if her parents knew.
We don't know if her parents were involved. I suspect
her parents didn't know because in many states now the
parents have no access to their child's healthcare. And this
this went through this aid access that is in another country,
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and she's in her own house and she's throwing away
her baby's body. This is not care. This is when
we should say it is okay for humans to come
out and say, I wish it weren't so. I wish
that it was so unthinkable that we find ways to
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take care of life in a different way, to provide
and have this in the rarest of circumstances. And it
used to be a thing that Democrats would say, we
want it to be so rare. We want women to
have every possible way to keep their child or give
their child up. We don't want the back alley abortions.
But I mean, now, instead of having a coat hanger,
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you're swallowing a pill. What's the difference. These women are
alone in their homes, bleeding and sometimes hemorrhaging. All these
women ended up in the er eight percent. This is care.
I don't see this as care, and I have no
problem coming out and saying, my heart breaks for these women.
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It breaks and breaks for women across the country that
want to come out and say that this is good,
that this is oral, that this is something we can
rally around. It should be that this is something that
is so rare, This is a last resort, This is
a desperate situation, and that we love on those women
who make this choice, but we try to make sure
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that women feel like they have every other possible choice
before this. Just like the news anchors were so willing
to come out and say, there's so many other options
for this dog, and they did. I mean it was
shocking how many of them were, like, there are so
many homes that it could have gone to. It could
have gone to a shelter, it could have gone to this.
They would do anything anything to have saved cricket. They
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would do anything to find a place that was saved
for cricket to go. Those Democrats would literally open the
doors to their home and bring multiple crickets in to
make sure that no cricket has to die. That's the
name of Christy Nom's dog in case you didn't know. Yeah,
they don't want any dogs dying. They will do any anything,
literally anything to make sure that no dog has to
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go through this. The stories I just read. Any Democrat
that can read those and tell me that they don't
wish there were a better answer for these women. They
are scum. And I have no problem saying enough is enough.
We need to be honest about this situation. It's tragic,
it's terrible, it happens. We want it to be rare,
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we want it to be unthinkable. We don't want to
glorify it. This pill is scary. The fact that women
are able to take this pill way past ten weeks
and they're giving birth at home, they have bodies that
they're being told to throw in the garbage shocking to me.
I know this is like a really tough subject. I'm
so thankful that you are here with me today, that
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you listened to what I had to say, that you
were willing to go through this Washington Post article with me,
And just so you know, I want to in case
you want to go back and read this. The title
of this article on the Washington Post is alone in
a Bathroom, The fear and uncertainty of a post row
medication abortion. This isn't a post row medication abortion. Medication.
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Abortion has been around for decades now. This is not new.
I think maybe I'm wrong about that. Maybe it's like
fifteen years not new. It's not post row. This is
the truth about the abortion pill, if you want to
look it up again, alone in the bathroom, the fear
and uncertainty of a post row medication abortion on the
Washington Post. Thanks for sticking with me today, Thanks for
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hearing me out. Thank you all who are out there
and continuing to fight to make this unthinkable and give
women true, true healthcack you, and thank you for joining
me on the podcast for this episode and others. You
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or wherever you get your podcasts and join us the
next time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Have a blessing.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm so glad you
guys are here. But you knew, you knew it had
to happen. You knew that we were going to have
to cover the end of Christinhams's career, at least her
political career. I don't know. She may go on to
work for I don't know, like a puppy mill or something.
I'm not sure, but at this moment, it looks like
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she's pretty much done in politics. And I know you've
heard the story, and if you haven't heard the story,
I'll give you a little bit of an update really
quick on what she what exactly killed her career. So
she wants to be vice president. I mean, she doesn't
even hide it. She definitely wants to be vice president.
And I do think that she wrote her book intending
to show herself as this tough lady who could definitely
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take over in case of emergency and run the country.
Apparently she underestimated the amount of people that like animals
in the country, which is weird because I feel like
it's kind of a well known thing. But she talked
about shooting a dog, her dog. Let's just be honest.
It was a puppy. It was fourteen months old. But
she says, well, I'll just read some of it. She
(01:08):
says that this dog attacked chickens like a trained assassin.
That's what she said. But then she goes on after
she killed the dog, took the dog to a gravel pit.
She shot the dog, not even like she put the
dog down with a vet. I think that's part of
the problem we're all disturbed by. Like it's one thing
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to have a dog that you say has done some
bad things, and then you're like, this is devastating. We
have to go take the dog and put the dog down.
Not many of us are like, going to the gravel pit,
I'm going to shoot the dog. But that's what she did.
And then she went on to say, I hated that dog.
This is part of the book. I hated that dog.
Noom recalls calling Cricket less than worthless as a hunting dog, untrainable,
(01:53):
and dangerous to anyone she came in contact with. At
that moment, I realized I had to put her down.
So you can see people were like, yeah, you just
don't go out and shoot your dog. But then the
political like media monster sort of started to consume this,
and you would expect the left to immediately jump on this,
(02:15):
so the leftist media, but it was really widely received
as a bad, bad thing. But here I wanted you
to see what they say about how puppies pull, so
listen to this.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
But listen, I mean puppies still pull pretty well. They
certainly pull higher than Christy Nome. Right well, right now,
I think she's done in the vieps Race.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, that was on MSNBC, So we're like, okay, obviously
MSNBC is going to attack her and say she's done
for the VIEP Race. Although this is kind of like
an episode of VIEP. I could see this happening, especially
how it rolled out with like they keep putting her
out there and it's sort of like watching an episode
of Seinfeld. But it's not funny. You know Seinfeld, you
always expect something funny, but the whole time you feel
(02:58):
kind of uncomfortable that the entire last week of watching
Christy Um on television. So she goes on Newsmax. You
would think news Max would like try to save her,
throw her a lifeline, help her out. But Rob Finnerty,
who you've heard on this program a few times, he
really just destroys her in the most polite but accurate,
(03:19):
destructive way. Here it is I.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Agree with you there, but going back to what you
said a moment ago, maybe not lying to the American people.
And I think this is important to talk about because
the book's called No Going Back the Truth on What's
wrong with Politics, And I think part of the problem
with politics today is that politicians aren't honest with the
American people. So if Governor, if you asked me a
month ago, who's at the top of the list to
(03:42):
run with Donald Trump, I would have said your name.
If you ask me that same question this morning, I
don't even think you're on the list, really, So my
question for you, yes, really, And it's because of things
that have come out in this book, like your claims
that you met Kim Jong Unn.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
She's like really, I think at this moment she's realized
that her comms team has done her a disservice, because
I do think in politics you can do shady things
and come back from them. We've seen politicians do it
all the time. I mean Bill Clinton is a perfect example.
He did all kinds of shady crap. Look at Hillary
(04:17):
my gosh, BEng ghazis. Then she runs for president. You
can do a lot of stuff and come back from it,
but your comms team has to be a little smarter
than this. Once this starts happening, if you decide we're
still going to go on with the buck tour, which
was probably a bad decision. Once this starts happening, you'd
think you'd pull her, but no, she keeps going. She
(04:40):
keeps going. And I think Varney was probably the funniest
one because you kind of think of Varney as the
serious guy. But he's not gonna let her out of it.
Listen to this.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I still think that you are in line to be
Trump's vice president. It's up to Donald Trump. He's the
only person who will decide this. He's the only person
who will decide. And I spoke, yes, I do speak
to him. May I ask what you said to you
about being Oh, I never tell anybody my personal conversations
with conversation. I talked to President Trump all the time
about the dogs, about a lot of things. And right
now I tell you what. He is being persecuted in
(05:11):
a political hunt, which hunt in this court case. So
I'm proud of him about how tough he is and
how well he is doing. Did you bring up enough Steward?
This interview is ridiculous what you were doing right now,
So you need to stop.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
It is okay, it is.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Let's talk about some real topics that Americans care about.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I'm afraid we are ount of time.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Oh well, of course we are.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
We do. Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I know I press hard, but that's what people.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Are talking about to this day.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah, got to know, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
We appreciate it. He's right, that's what people are talking about.
They are going to she's literally on a tour for
the book. Of course they're going to ask her about
the book. And this is the biggest story in the
book right now. And so I'm pretty sure that after Varney,
she went back to her comms team, and the comms
(05:59):
team was like, we're we're going to go home. We're
going to go back to South Dakota, and we're going
to make sure that we don't have any gravel pits
on the side of the road on the way there,
for fear they were going to end up there because
this was truly the end of her career. But I
want to take kind of a different. Look at this,
because I agree the story is horrendous, it's awful. Everyone
(06:22):
is talking about how you can't do this to animals.
But let's dig in a little deeper on the left
and how much they're pushing on this. This is from
the Daily Show.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
The past few years, I have been wondering how far
is too far for the right wing maga crowd. And
now we know it's shooting your dog in a gravel
pits that is not acceptable.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
How far is too far for the magabrite? This is
where I take exception. How far is too far for
the left. So we can all agree that killing puppies
is too far. But I want to read you something
that was recently in the Washington Post talking about killing babies.
(07:06):
This is something that the left is able to get
out of. They never have to talk about it. I mean,
look at you have the press secretary for the president.
She talked about the killing poppies too. Listen to what
she said.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
We find her comments from yesterday disturbing, We find them absurd.
And here this is a country that loves dogs and
you have a leader talking about putting dogs down, killing them,
and that's a disturbing statement to say I would say
(07:41):
to I would say to her, is she probably should
stop digging herself in a hole.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
It's interesting we have a country that loves dogs. She's
talking about putting dogs down, a leader who's digging herself
a hole, and yet the leaders on the left they
can talk about murdering babies every single day. In fact,
they're running on it. I mean, it goes beyond just
being able to talk about it. They're running on it.
(08:08):
So while I think what Christy nom wrote in her
book is horrendous, and the fact that she writes it
with no remorse is even worse, but the fact that
that to the left is appalling, and yet pro life
people are also appalling to them. Let me contrast what
(08:28):
Karine Jean Pierre said about killing puppies with what she
said about limits on abortion. Here it is does President
Biden favor any limits on abortion?
Speaker 6 (08:41):
We've been very very clear here since you're talking about
my topper, I was talking specifically about Senator Lindsay Graham.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
And your position on his plan is clear.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Fifteen weeks is unacceptable.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Well, speaking to directly to what Republicans are trying to do.
So they are calling they are calling for a national
band which takes us backwards, which will it's a national
ban which will take us backwards and will put at
risk the health of women.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
So if you're calling for limits on abortion, let's be honest.
This isn't a band. This is limits on abortion. This
is making sure that you're not killing babies up to
the moment of birth, and the limit it's not extreme.
The majority of European countries are under fifteen weeks, but
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also the majority of abortions are under fifteen weeks in
the United States. Doug M. Hoff goes out and he says,
my gosh, you know, there's a six week ban in
some of these states, and nobody even knows they're pregnant
before six weeks. Guess what, Forty five percent of abortions
in the United States happen at sixteen weeks or six
weeks or before. Forty five percent of abortions happen at
(09:57):
six weeks or before. He's saying, most people don't even
know they're pregnant, and yet almost half of abortions happened.
Then she's talking about fifteen weeks. That was Kreeen Jean Pierre.
She's talking about the fact that Lindsey Graham came out
and said he thought there should be a fifteen week
limit on abortion, and she says, this is putting women's
health at risk. Ninety three percent of abortions in the
(10:19):
United States of America are performed at thirteen weeks or before.
I mean, we can put these bands out there or
these limits out there, they're not changing anything. So all
these people that are concerned it's changing something, it's actually
not changing anything. The sad thing I think is that
we've gotten to this point where the left can glorify abortion.
(10:42):
I mean, listen, listen to Kamala Harris talking about this
is first of all, this is their campaign staple. This
is what they're running on, every one of them. This
is what they ran on in Michigan. Gretchen Whitmer, she's
a queen of abortion. She wants to go across the country.
She even says Joe Biden's not talking about abortion enough,
like Kamala Harris has to get out there. She has
(11:02):
got to talk about abortion. My goodness, the woman has to.
I mean, she's never had a child, but maybe she
has a great experience in this category. I don't know,
but she's the Vice president. She's got to talk about it,
but she thinks it's hilarious. Here she is.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Let me just tell you, you guys are going to have
to be ready for this, ready for certain language.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
And I said, very loudly, ovaries philopian tubes, right.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
Un.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
It's a joke. It's a joke to them, such a
joke to them. They're willing to bet their entire political
career on whether or not they can make sure abortion exists.
So let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next
on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I want to get to
that Washington Post story so you can hear about the
(12:01):
jokes that are real life abortion stories. And the funny
thing about this story in the Washington Post is that
they wrote this story because they're like, look at what
Republicans are trying to do. They're putting women in danger
because they're taking this abortion pill and they might be
in states where it's not legal to have an abortion
at a certain point in time, and so the abortion
pill causes problems. Now, you may remember a few weeks back,
(12:23):
we had some doctors on who were fighting the Supreme Court.
They were they were fighting the FDA taking them to
the Supreme Court because they said they had changed their
requirements and the abortion pill, and women were taking it
without a doctor, without a doctor's appointment, and they were
getting into trouble because if you take it after a
certain point, you can have problems, but you can have
complications anytime, and they're ending up in the er, and
(12:45):
they just wanted to have this appointment with the doctors
back Now, the Washington Post is saying you should have
abortion care at home. But the problem is that in
some of these states it's really hard for these women
to have abortion care at home. You got to hear this, though.
I don't think this is the win they thought it was,
so they say. They spoke with more than three dozen doctors, advocates,
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leading researchers, and women who took pills in states where
abortion has been banned because of dobbs over the phone
and in person. Many women described experiencing deep anxiety and
uncertainty about doing something they assumed was illegal. These feelings
often it's intensified after they took the medication, with some
not expecting the level of pain or the amount of
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bleeding they would experience or get this this, Tommy, I
think is the real shocker or how much of the
fetus they would see. A few use the pills later
in pregnancy than the FDA recommends, a few use the
pill later in pregnancy than the FDA recommends, and they
were shocked by the amount of fetus they saw. I mean,
(13:51):
to me, it's just so disturbing. But there's this group
and they have this organization that answers. Calls it organization
the Miscarriage and Abortion Hotline. It was founded by this woman.
She's a physician. Doctor Prine co founded the Miscarriage and
Abortion Hotline in twenty nineteen as a resource for people
(14:13):
self managing miscarriages or abortions at home. I don't know
how many people would ever self manage a miscarriage. So
I just think that's baloney. Like, you have a miscarriage,
you go to your doctor. This is about abortion, Let's
be honest, That's what this is about. So Linda Prine
was answering a few I'm going to read this to
you because I think you have to hear it. You
have to hear this and know that the Washington Post
(14:36):
is writing this. The same people outraged by the death
of a puppy are going to write this like it's
just okay. Linda Prine was answering a few emails, coffee
mug in hand, when her cellphone rang. Hi, this is
the hotline doctor, the seventy two year old said from
her New York City home one Sunday morning in January.
(14:56):
Can I help you? The voice Priane heard was quiet
and scared, belonging to a fifteen year old with an
area code in a state with an abortion band, who
had taken pills and passed a fetus larger than she'd expected.
Unable to flush the fetus down the toilet, the girl
asked about throwing it away. She was young enough to
(15:18):
be Prine's granddaughter. Priane cradled the phone in both hands
and leaned in, trying to channel every ounce of reassurance
and understanding she could muster through the phone line. There's
nothing in there that's traceable back to you, as long
as you don't tell anyone. Let me reiterate that the
hotline doctor, the doctor out of New York City. When
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the girl calls and says she actually has a dead
baby in her arms or in her toilet, I guess
that she can't flush. She can't flush it because it's
a baby that's too large to flush down the toilet.
The doctor in New York City tells her, there's nothing
that's traceable back to you, as long as you don't
tell anyone.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
To me, this is documenting a crime. And I know
a lot of people are going to say, oh, she
would criminalize this. There are laws about a corpse, and
this is a doctor who should have said, you know what,
this is a very sad situation. We have laws around this.
We have to bring someone in. I don't think the
girl should be held accountable, but I do think that
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someone who gave a fifteen year old girl abortion pills
when she was clearly well past the ten weeks that
it was acceptable should be that we should track that
person down and find out what they're doing and take
their medical license away because she put this little girl
in major danger. The girl asked if the abortion made
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her a bad person. No, it doesn't, Prian said, not
a bit. You are doing what's right for you and
your future family. She added, her voice firm, this way
you can be a good mom when you're ready to
be a good mom. This girl is in a terrible situation.
She's scared, she's fifteen, years old. We don't know how
far along she is, but she's got a baby in
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her toilet that's dead. And the Washington Post puts this
out in an article like this is something to be glorified.
Thank goodness, we could help this young woman. This wasn't
helping her. What is going to happen to her knowing
that she has to remember that the rest of her life.
And she had no care. Don't tell me that this
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is reproductive care. She had no care. She had no
care at all. Care would be Hey, you know what,
the FDA does not recommend you take these pills at
this time. If you need to do this, it needs
to be done a different in a safe way. But
this is how they decided to do it. And they
decided that it was such a good story they were
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going to print it in their newspaper and talk about it.
Here's the thing. They also say the hotline typically receives
about thirty calls and fifty texts every single day because
it becomes so common now to take this pill. Because
if you listen to the mainstream media, I mean, gosh,
Caitlin Collins just had this interview where she's like, this
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is as safe as an advil, it turns out you're
actually going into labor. I mean, it's terrible. And these
girls aren't prepared because they've been listening to the mainstream
media who says it's no big deal. Last time I
took an advill, it actually took my pain away, didn't
create pain. So imagine their shock when they go into
labor with a dead baby. They say, in a state
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where this is illegal, I can go get medical care
and make sure everything is okay. That's what this hotline
is for. She said. She and her colleagues hear the
same questions again and again on the hotline. These are
some of the questions. Am I bleeding too much? Am
I bleeding? Am I not bleeding enough? Is it normal
to have this much pain? That's a common question. You
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know why, because glorifying abortion and glorifying murdering babies doesn't
actually tell you that when you do this, it's going
to be incredibly painful, it's going to be a bad experience,
and it's going to be something that you'll remember the
rest of your life. They say. Patients who take the
abortion pills seek emergency care, ranging from one point three
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to eight percent. One point three percent to eight percent
of the people who are taking these pills then have
to also seek emergency care. I mean, I don't think
that's the case with advil, but I guess maybe I'm
not sure. I want to read another one to you
because this one is also hard. And I'm reading this
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to you because the Washington Post put this out there
and they believe that this is something that is going
to make you say, man, this pill should be widely
available and we should continue to have people taking it home.
So this woman's name is Brianna. At her home in Alabama,
Brihanna waited to take the pills until she'd put all
of her children to sleep. Cramps in her lower back
came first, followed by full body chills, and eventually contractions
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more painful than those she remembered in childbirth. After lying
in bed for two hours, Brihanna felt something pop under
the comforter, followed by a gush of warm liquid seeping
down her legs. Her water broke. She ran to the bathroom,
she recalled in interviews in a journal entry, where she
felt a mass larger than the palm of larger than
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her palm, drop into the toilet. This can't be happening,
she thought to herself. She looked down to see a
bloody umbilical cord dangling between her legs. When the pills
first arrived in the mail a few days earlier in
April twenty twenty three, Brianna had expected to experience what
would be more than difficult. The doctors exp who administered
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the medication through aid access, cautioned Brianna that they quote
do not like to recommend medical abortions as far into
pregnancy as she would be when the pills reached her.
You see, she reached out to the clinic around eleven
to twelve weeks. They don't know because she didn't have
a doctor's appointment. They're assuming she reached out to the
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clinic around eleven to twelve weeks. Then, because this is
a clinic that's overseas, it took a while for her
to get the pills, So they are thinking that when
she finally took the pills, she was probably between fifteen
to sixteen weeks pregnant. This pill is not recommended past
ten weeks, but they're giving it to people because they
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want to make sure they have access right alone in
the bathroom. It goes on alone in the bathroom. Brianna
had no idea what to do. The Aid access doctors
had told her to expect nausea, vomiting, chills, blood clots,
and a fetus at least the size of an orange.
Emails show they said nothing about an umbilical chord. She
orders this through a phone call. They've never seen her.
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They're never going to see her. They're not even on
the side of the pond. She's never going to see
these people. She doesn't know she's giving birth to a
dead baby. She thinks she's having a heavy period. She's
shocked to find out there's an umbilical cord. What is
she going to do about this? And she goes into
questioning this. Do I pull it out? Brianna wondered, frantically,
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trying to remember what the doctors had done when she
gave birth. She's her own doctor at this point. She's
just given birth to a dead baby. She has an
umbilical cord. She doesn't know what to do. She says,
do I just try to push it out? Her boyfriend's
sleeping in the other room. She's afraid to wake him up.
She doesn't want to go to the emergency room. Finally,
she decides to call this number, Misscarage and abortion hotline.
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She'd seen an email from aid Access where she got
the pills. They get on the phone and they say,
that's the placenta you need to push out when you
feel the next contraction. I want you to push like
you were give birth. Well, because that's what this is.
Brianna sat there with the umbilical cord hanging loose for
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at least fifteen minutes before the placenta finally dropped into
the toilet. So here's the behind the scenes. There a
bunch of doctors. They're getting together because they call this hotline,
and then this doctor's like, what do we do? This
is maybe a bad situation, because guess what, it is
a bad situation. I've lived this situation when I lost
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my child, when we went through a miscarriage. I had
this situation where the placenta didn't come out, and guess what,
I had to go to surgery. So she could have
been moments away from surgery. She didn't know, And let's
be honest, these doctors didn't know they were on the
phone with her. So apparently, behind the scenes they're going
back and forth and there are some doctors that are saying, no,
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she has to this is an emergency. But this doctor,
Prine says, the same one that told the fifteen year old,
nobody's going to be able to trace that dead body
back to you. She says, we didn't feel like it
was a medical emergency. She wasn't leading heavily, she wasn't lightheaded.
We would have recommended to go to the ear if
we thought it was medically necessary. However, another person chimes in,
another doctor that the Washington Post talked to you and said,
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whenever there is something inside the uterus that is trying
to come out and won't come out, the risk of
bleeding and infection gets higher with every passing moment. At
that point, your life is the most important thing. Well
wait a minute, what I thought this was life saving care?
Or maybe it's endangering your life. I mean, we know
somebody died that day. Apparently Brianna almost died too. So
(24:34):
it goes on. As difficult as the situation was, Brianna
says she is extremely grateful that aid Access was willing
to send her the pills, that someone on the hotline
was available to talk her through it. Without the hotline,
I would have been completely lost and literally completely alone.
The ladies stayed on the phone with me for hours.
I wish I knew her name. Brianna stayed in the
bathroom that night for more than an hour. She knew
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she shouldn't look at the fetus, she said, she knew this,
but she couldn't help it. In the toilet, she could
make out a head, and she remembered thinking the legs
looked long. There was a baby in her toilet. The
next thing she says, I think is the most powerful part.
Remember this is in the Washington Post and they're talking
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about how great it was that she was able to
do this. This is from the same people that say,
shout your abortion. The next line from her, I felt
like a monster. This is what happens these women who
are not ten weeks pregnant, who are not six weeks pregnant,
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who are not passing blood clots in the toilet, They
are oftentimes thirteen weeks pregnant, fifteen weeks pregnant. Hmm, and
this company Aid Access is sending them these pills. The
problem is if you you are that far along, it's
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just at that point it's going to be a baby
that you're going to see in the toilet. But don't worry.
They follow up that statement literally, let me read it
to you again. I felt like a monster, she said.
Reflecting back on that moment a year later, Brianna said
she is certain she made the right decision for herself
and her family, but she wishes someone had told her
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more about what to expect. If she had known the
full extent of what could happen during a medical abortion
at fifteen or sixteen weeks, she said, she probably would
have searched harder for an out of state clinic. Hey,
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the thing. It's happening now, and we have no real record.
I mean, we know that we believe it's ninety three
percent of abortions happen on or before thirteen weeks. But
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now we don't have a record because telehealth is allowing
people in other countries to send our young women abortion
pills and let them go into labor with a dead
baby at their house without any explanation of what they're
going to actually experience. These people take a pill and
wait for their baby to die. Then they take a
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second pill and they wait to go into labor. And
you know that this is true because these people from
Access said this is This is part of the article too,
if we think people might be longer than that, meaning
longer than eleven weeks, because it says, you know, they
should be no further along than eleven weeks. And then
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it says if we think people might be longer than that,
they get an email to make sure they can navigate
the situation. I think of all the things in life
that you actually have to like see someone for, but
they're going to send them an email like these are
the instructions for you to get through this situation, they said.
The doctor who personally prescribed Brianna's medication. According to the
documentation reviewed by the Post, this is the doctor that
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said that. It says women have agency, they are perfectly
capable of making these choices about their own health, and
we're here to support them the best we can. There
are decisions about my health that I have sat down
and painstakingly reviewed with my physician, and they've shown me
examples of what else has happened, what could happen, what
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the future could be, what I'll go through. We've talked extensively,
especially as a cancer patient. I am never going to say, yeah,
women can't handle making choices. Of course they can. That's
not what this is. They're not sitting down and having
a discussion. They're being told, this is your choice. Do
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this take this pill. You'll be fine. If ever, everything's
not fine, here's a number to call. Knowing that the
majority of these people are going to have to call
this number because once they figure out they just killed
their baby and they're going into some horrible hard labor
at home. It's not so easy, they say, it's just
so crazy. This is the last thing I'll read from it. Still,
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Prian said she has fielded far more of these calls
from women later in pregnancy than she would like. They
know they're coming through. They're openly admitting it's happening more
often than we know beyond the thirteen weeks. So maybe
that number is just what they're recording, because obviously these
people are doing things that are against the law. They're
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probably not medically recording this correctly. Eight access is not
even in the US. And this woman's telling a young
girl that she can throw away a fetus, So what
does she care? You know? Right, So, she says she's
fielded far more of these calls from women later in
pregnancy than she would like, averaging one a day on
the hotline in the months after the Supreme Court decision.
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Of course, this goes back to Dobbs. It's because of
Dobbs that this is happening one call a day and
on average coming into this hotline of a woman who
has taken this pill well beyond the ten weeks and
is having troubles. She says some of the callers had
no idea how far along they were until they passed
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the pregnancies. Others knew, but chose to go ahead. Some
of them have no idea. Again, this goes back to
those doctors we had on who were saying, we want
to make sure that you have to have an appointment
ahead of time. You know how far along you are,
you know it's not an ectopic pregnancy. You know that
you're safe taking this pill. But no, forget about that.
We're getting rid of those laws. We're getting rid of
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those rules. We're going to let women have this experience
at home without any preparation. We're not going to have
any medical care again, how can you call this care?
How dare you? How dare these people get on television
and say, my gosh, we can't believe that this could
happen to puppies, and then in the next breath glorify abortion.
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If you care that much about puppies, how can you
care any less about babies about humans? It's shocking. But
this is how, this is how I just want to
end this, because this is how they write it in
the Washington Post. Beyond twelve or thirteen weeks, women will
see a much more developed fetus with its identify viable features,
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so they know it. They know they're going to see
a much more developed fetus. That's what Brianna saw. She
saw a head. She could even make out that the
baby was going to have long legs. Her baby was
going to be tall. Not now, there is no baby now,
but people are going to see their baby. As someone
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who has seen my baby at eighteen weeks along, when
we lost her and we held her in our arms,
it's hard. It is a hard sight for someone who
desperately wanted the baby and lost the baby. I can't
imagine how much more difficult it is to see that
baby knowing you chose to let them go. And I
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say this not in any way to condemn the women
saying why are we not honest about this? Why is
it so hard to talk about this subject? Because I
think if a lot more women knew that this was
how it's going to go, they would have more conversations
about it, maybe they would choose differently in life. Because
I've also had young women tell me I don't want
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to take abortion. I'd rather do this because I don't
have to have so many chemicals in my body all
the time. I don't want to take birth control. I'd
rather choose this. They don't want to take birth control.
They'd rather choose this. They don't fully understand what this is.
And then they're going through this, and let me tell you,
it doesn't go away, because this is what is how
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the doctor ends this segment of this portion of the
Washington Post article. We hear the trauma when we talk
to people. It's an image you can't get out of
your head. I read this and it has stuck with me.
I read this weeks ago, and it's stuck with me.
And then as I saw what was happening with Christy Nom,
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I'm like, man, I think it's really wacko too, to
think that she just went out there and did this.
And it wasn't so much wacko that she wanted to
protect her family or anything like that. But the wacko
part was like the lack of remorse. I hated this dog,
just had to kill the dog. But then I was
reminded of this, and I think about the lack of
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remorse of these doctors who glorify this, and yet they've
seen so many young women go through tragic experiences and
it's over for them the minute they shut down the hotline,
the minute they get off the phone, the minute they
hang up. That's over for them, for the doctor. That
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fifteen year old girl lives with that the rest of
her life. And what did she end up doing with
the baby? Does she constantly the rest of her life
feel like I discarded a body. And I'm not kidding.
I mean I read this and I was like, holy crap.
This is the Washington Post saying this is a good thing,
Like thank goodness, these women had this. They call it
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care again, I will not call it care. Had access
to these pills. Where is the care? Where is the care?
And how does the mainstream media go? This is so great.
All people should be voting for this, I understand. I'm
just going to close this by saying, I understand that
these women get into tragic situations. In Brianna's story, the backstory,
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she was thirty four, she had several children. She felt
like she couldn't afford this child. She felt like this
was her only option. I can't imagine being in that situation.
Now she will always have this memory of this, and
it's tragic. The fifteen year old girl a same situation.
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She's well, she's young, she doesn't have any ability to
care for this child. I mean, that's what they say
in the story, we don't know if her parents knew.
We don't know if her parents were involved. I suspect
her parents didn't know because in many states now the
parents have no access to their child's healthcare. And this
this went through this aid access that is in another country,
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and she's in her own house and she's throwing away
her baby's body. This is not care. This is when
we should say it is okay for humans to come
out and say, I wish it weren't so. I wish
that it was so unthinkable that we find ways to
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take care of life in a different way, to provide
and have this in the rarest of circumstances. And it
used to be a thing that Democrats would say, we
want it to be so rare. We want women to
have every possible way to keep their child or give
their child up. We don't want the back alley abortions.
But I mean, now, instead of having a coat hanger,
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you're swallowing a pill. What's the difference. These women are
alone in their homes, bleeding and sometimes hemorrhaging. All these
women ended up in the er eight percent. This is care.
I don't see this as care, and I have no
problem coming out and saying, my heart breaks for these women.
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It breaks and breaks for women across the country that
want to come out and say that this is good,
that this is oral, that this is something we can
rally around. It should be that this is something that
is so rare, This is a last resort, This is
a desperate situation, and that we love on those women
who make this choice, but we try to make sure
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that women feel like they have every other possible choice
before this. Just like the news anchors were so willing
to come out and say, there's so many other options
for this dog, and they did. I mean it was
shocking how many of them were, like, there are so
many homes that it could have gone to. It could
have gone to a shelter, it could have gone to this.
They would do anything anything to have saved cricket. They
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would do anything to find a place that was saved
for cricket to go. Those Democrats would literally open the
doors to their home and bring multiple crickets in to
make sure that no cricket has to die. That's the
name of Christy Nom's dog in case you didn't know. Yeah,
they don't want any dogs dying. They will do any anything,
literally anything to make sure that no dog has to
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go through this. The stories I just read. Any Democrat
that can read those and tell me that they don't
wish there were a better answer for these women. They
are scum. And I have no problem saying enough is enough.
We need to be honest about this situation. It's tragic,
it's terrible, it happens. We want it to be rare,
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we want it to be unthinkable. We don't want to
glorify it. This pill is scary. The fact that women
are able to take this pill way past ten weeks
and they're giving birth at home, they have bodies that
they're being told to throw in the garbage shocking to me.
I know this is like a really tough subject. I'm
so thankful that you are here with me today, that
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you listened to what I had to say, that you
were willing to go through this Washington Post article with me,
And just so you know, I want to in case
you want to go back and read this. The title
of this article on the Washington Post is alone in
a Bathroom, The fear and uncertainty of a post row
medication abortion. This isn't a post row medication abortion. Medication.
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Abortion has been around for decades now. This is not new.
I think maybe I'm wrong about that. Maybe it's like
fifteen years not new. It's not post row. This is
the truth about the abortion pill, if you want to
look it up again, alone in the bathroom, the fear
and uncertainty of a post row medication abortion on the
Washington Post. Thanks for sticking with me today, Thanks for
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hearing me out. Thank you all who are out there
and continuing to fight to make this unthinkable and give
women true, true healthcack you, and thank you for joining
me on the podcast for this episode and others. You
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