Prentice Penny On Cancel Culture, Getting Dragged From Black Twitter, Insecure' Movie + More
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's up? His way up at Angela? Yee and listen.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I love when we have the definition of somebody who
is way up on the show, and Prentice Penny is
definitely that guy. What's that, Prentice?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
What's up? Angela? How you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
And before we even get into it, because you had
this black Twitter documentary on Hulu that's out right now,
a docuseries, three part docuseries, I just want to talk
about how we first met.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yeah, a long time.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Ago, twenty twelve, that's wild.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Twelve years ago.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Twelve years ago, we were kids doing The Hustle. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
The Hustle was a show on FX. Yeah, and yeah,
Freddy Gibbs was on there, Freddy.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
It's crazy who we like?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
We had Jadakiss, Freddy Nipsey hustles in the shows.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
That show was good too.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
It was fun, y'all and y'all were all in from
day one. I mean the show wasn't anything yet, so y'all,
y'all was down.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
From day one, so you know, just seeing from that
to what had you done before that?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I had started on Like Girlfriends, I had worked on Scrubs,
Happy Ending, and I think I was just one season
into Brooklyn ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Okay, they say Brooklyn that nine was an amazing show too.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
It was super fun pre Insecure. That was all pre insecure.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
We was gonna get to Insecure, okay, because we've seen
you doing your wine down and yeah yeah. But yeah,
so Prentice, even before we get into this, just your
passion for what it is that you do with producing storytelling.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Where did that come from?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I mean, you know, so it's so funny you try
to track like now, like where did all this sort
of energy come from? And my dad was like one
of the funniest dudes ever. But I didn't really connect
those dots when I was younger. But he passed away
about three years ago, and I've just been doing like
a lot of thinking about him and our past. And
really he was just a funny storyteller. I mean he
was great. He could tell the same story like forty
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times and it'd be funny every time. So when I
look back, I'm like, I think it started there, and
then just that side of the family was just really
good at like telling stories.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I think another thing you do really well clearly is
tell women's stories too. I mean, you know, it's a
balance because I also watch Uncorked, and I learned a lot,
by the way from watching that. But even like you said,
insecure girlfriends, even the hustle, you know, being able to
tell these women's stories, where did that come from?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
You know?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I was raised by primarily like a lot of strong
black women, like my mother, my grandmother.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It was just around me a lot, like I would
always just kind of hear you know, my mom was
a single mom.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
So I'm hearing a lot of women talk at that
time about their relationships.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Probably stuff I shouldn't have been.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Hearing at that young age as they're drinking there, like
Jay and b Scotch and all those kind of drags.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
But I think it was just there.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
And I'm already like an emo type dude anyway, So
for me, I'm already tapped into that emotional side on.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Top of you before it was popular, oh for sure.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, I was emo before before all the Drake stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Absolutely, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
And another thing I saw was you and architecture of Digests. Yes,
that's amazing. Your house, by the way, it's fire.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Shout out to Carmen Smith, who designed the whole house
out of out of the Bay Area She was incredible.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
It's nice to be able to go home to a
place that you love.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I mean we were trying to figure out, like what's
the forever house, you know, and I was like, you know,
I wanted to come home and let it feel like,
you know, like a super specific kind of house that
not everybody have, but also still feel like a home home,
not just like oh this is nice to look at,
but something.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
To live in. You know.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
We have three kids, and so we still wanted to
feel like a house, you know, like a home.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
And so she did a great job.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, and you are bold with the colors and the designs.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Super bold, which you like. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, you like to do a lot of monochromatic and
that can look good. But I always love the way
that people can put colors and textures and different patterns together.
It's a scary thing to do.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
It is because our house when we first moved in
was during the pandemic, and it's a mid century house,
so it was a lot of white and we had
never been around that much white.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
We were like, maybe we'll keep it kind of white.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. We were like, maybe we'll keep
it this way. And then it just felt kind of
boring and kind of flat, and so you shout the
carme and she was like, how bold do y'all want
to get?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Like's what's Let's go for it and she did a
great job.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
All right, now let's get into before we get into
the black Twitter.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Insecure.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, man, you know, that was one of my favorite
shows still, like of all time. Really to go back
and rewatch old episodes and you know, and I was
definitely sad when Insecure came to an end, but I
also understand wanting to go out on a high note.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, he said, it's so funny.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
East and I from the first season were like, how
long do you want to do this? And we both
said at the same time five seasons and then but
we never told anybody. We just kind of always kept
that in the back of our head that like it
was going to end out fire because we didn't want
it to be like where people were like, I get it,
Molly can't.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Get no man, East's clumsy, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Like we wanted to end on a note where people
still wanted to show around, you know what I mean,
as opposed to like why they're still here?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I mean, and so it kind of sharpened our focus
and the types of stories we wanted to tell because
we knew we couldn't be like treading water. We had
to be super intentional about all the stories. So yeah,
we wanted to leave when people still loved this, and
like the show.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Is it hard when you get attached to like certain
storylines or relationships and then you have to like write
into it like they break up?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Of course, of course, I mean it was I mean,
you know, it really was like a family. So you know,
we had God obviously, we had you know, jail Us
on there.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
We had a line on there.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
You know, we had sharonas on there, and so these
people become like friends, they become family. So like writing
a line off was like, we're not gonna see him
any you know what I mean. Again, it gets it
gets tough, and so there was even a point where
we were going to write Jay off, I mean, season three,
he's like not in it.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Until halfway through we were like, oh we in that.
We were like nah, no, no, we got to have Jay around.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
So you know, it does get tough when people have
to leave, you know, but you're just trying to keep
telling the stories.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
That feels super interesting.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I know people had talked about like a movie or
something like that. Is that something you guys still discuss.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
That's all on your girl. I mean that's all like, yeah,
I'm I told her. I was like, if you ever
want to do a movie or ever want to do
it again, I'm I'm all in, I'll do it with.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
You in your head.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
What would be the plot of the movie. I think
it's her input, but just like if it was up.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
To you, I think it depends on what age catch them, right,
Like I've always been curious, like what would it look
like for them as like new parents, like new parentcy
kind of trying to balance, you know, being a parent.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
This is a step mom. Maybe she got her like
her her first kid with you know, Laurence.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
And you know, Molly's a new mom being around all
these new boogie mom you know what I mean. Like
maybe that's kind of like the next chapter for them.
But yeah, I think that'd be like a fun story,
either that or them at like eighty oh wows. Yeah,
Molly still came on her fifth husband.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
You got to do mally like that.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I don't know Molly's doing.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I feel like people confuse her real life a lot
with her character Molly, and she gets so annoyed.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yvonne.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Yeah, there definitely gets some lines blurred of people not
separate Yvonne from Molly the character for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
All right, now let's get into this black Twitter docu
series that you did.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So this is this based on the Wired article?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yes, it's based for.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Him, absolutely, It's based on Jason's article. That is so
funny because he wrote the article in twenty twenty one.
So the article actually ends on January sixth, and that's
when I came on board. But obviously so much happened
between now, you know, you know now and then on
the platform, so we obviously had to go past that.
But yeah, that's where all the whole thing stems from.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Has on Twitter. Black Twitter's been good to you.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, when it comes to Insecure, I think even I
want to feel like when I watched Uncorked, I might
have seen about it first.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Yeah, they were super supportive of that of uncork for sure,
because I think it was also a different you know,
we were all home, it was the pandemic, you know
what I mean, And I think it was a different
representation of black culture, right of seeing you know, black
culture and Memphis, but also seeing.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Us do wine and things like that.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Now that like, you know, Dwane Wade's got a wine label,
all these athletes are into once.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
So it was kind of best friend and.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Grid best with my best wine. Shout out to IoT,
I best wine here In the first thing.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
The only reason I even know how to pronounce that
word is because of your movie.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
That's What's Up. I love that. I love that.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
But you know, black culture it always does that, you
know what I mean, And so to me, it was
a different way to see our culture.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
And they were super supportive of that too. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
So are you a wine kind of sewer yourself?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I want to say I'm a wine kind of sew.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I drank wine obviously, but I can't sit there and
be like, oh, this is a so and so I
know the wines I like.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Or the types of wines I like.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I want to get better at that so badly.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
It's tough. There's so much out there. There's so much
out there.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I just kind of know, like the taste profile I like,
and I try to find stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Okay, so Black Twitter, let's go back to that.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Certain things I was watching this docu series, and I
didn't realize, like we were talking about this in the
room Scandal, I just in my head the Scandal was
always a big show, but black Twitter played a huge
role in Scandal becoming as popular as it did.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, Scandal was really struggling in the ratings at the beginning,
you know what I mean. And obviously it was the
first time a black woman had been the lead of
a show since I think Diane Carroll in the seventies.
So yeah, it's it's wild and so you know, it
was still trying to find its footing and really was
black Twitter that was talking about the show. And that's
when ABC sort of recognized, Wow, this show is generating
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a lot of social media traffic right in terms of
people talking about it and things like that, and that
really boosted the ratings, which then it obviously helps the
show go on. It helps Sean dra Roons get more shows, obviously,
because we were now everybody live tweets.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I mean that's like a thing that like you just talk.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
About as any sort of movie sometimes we get type
of live tweet and but yeah, but that but the
live tweet as we know it didn't exist until that
was just us being us.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Have you ever been dragged by black Twitter?
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Ooh, I don't think I've ever been dragged dragged by
black Twitter. But when this doc was announced, Yeah, it
was definitely a lot of conversation around around it.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Did you anticipate that because I would think that I
did Definition of black Twitter, and having studied it and
done this docu series in your head, you had to
be late they about to drag me some of them.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, I definitely, I definitely.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
It was the it was the type of dragging that
was happening right, which was more of the who is this?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Who made this right?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Which was like oh people just kind of didn't know
okay who was making it?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Or I was being called defens you know.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Which I thought was on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah. I was like I was like, I guess.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
And also it was like, you know, I had done
other work that people like, so it was like kind
of not getting the benefit of the doubt, a little
bit of like well.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
If you like this, like maybe the intention.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Maybe the intention will kind of be I thought I
would get I thought I would get more goodwill. But
I was like Twitter, and I did in some way
a lot of times people were like why they gaykeep
and why they revealing our culture, which I also I
also understand, But at first I was a little I
was a little not surprised that they that they did
some of that, but surprised by the I think amount of.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
It, right.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I mean, it never ceases to amaze me certain things
because sometimes I think it can be like, you know,
certain things that happen on social media and Twitter, it
can be really cruel.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yeah, you don't really And that's the other thing, like
you don't know the randomness sometimes of like how this
is gonna play out, Like some things play out totally fine.
Some things play out you're like, that's what you that's
what you're going in about like that part. And so
it's hard to sometimes even guess, Like when people go, oh,
did you guys ever like shape stories for the for
black Twitter, I'm like, no, there's you'd be you know,
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trying to chase your tail about like what they're gonna
get up about or what they're gonna love or what
they're not gonna like you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So it's just it's just hard to predict.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
How did you decide who would be the Well, I
guess a lot of these people were in the article too. Yes,
so that's what made you say, Okay, we're going to
talk to you know, this person because I saw some
great people like Jimille lem Lemieu is on there.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Who else was Amanda Sales?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Of course it is not there?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, and so and the.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Thinking behind that where there's some people that were upset
that they were not included, because to me, it's also
like black Twitter, but who is considered a part of
black Twitter and who is not? You know what I'm saying,
it is hard for me to determine, like people claiming, Okay,
I'm black Twitter.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
But then I think it's I will one.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I think if you say i'm I think I think
all of the culture is black Twitter.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Right, That's that's one. Right. So I think saying like
one documentary or one.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Docuseries could be definitive of all of black Twitter is
like kind of like a fool's errand like there's no
way this doc can represents literally everything that happened on Blackwit.
So it's almost like if you were to do a
movie about somebody's life, like I don't know, it's Malcolm X,
like the only version of that story that could exist. Yeah,
and I'm sure the other filmmakers can make other stories
about Malcolm X that would be just as interesting or
compelling or whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
So complex, there's so many different angles.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
You take what you know, what timeframe are you talking about? This?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
That and the third and you know, and obviously, like
you know, when you join Twitter, right, that shapes kind
of how your view of black Twitter is.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
And so when I joined nine.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Okay, I was looking at it made me go back
in huh would you join August eight?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah, so we were run the same time.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
And you know, I mean, what's I think what is
interesting right in the doc is we started with the
people that Jason interviewed, right, and again he interviewed like
thirty people, which four and article is like a lot
of people, right, But then there were some people back
then who were like, I'm busy. There were some people
then like I don't want to share about black Twitter,
and people have all kinds of reasons for participating or
not participating. But because we were going off his article,
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we had to start with the people that were in
the thing, right, But then we had to figure out, well,
what's the story right? It can't just be the article, right,
it has to have a narrative that's beyond just like
here the facts of black Twitter, but what's the thematic story?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Right?
Speaker 4 (13:27):
And once we figured out the story, which was kind
of this coming of age story of black Twitter, we
had to find people that could speak to those moments
that we wanted to discuss in the coming of age stories.
So then that starts to shape who you're talking to, right,
And so I mean it's a documentary.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
It's you know, fifteen million people on Blackorter.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
You can't talk to that many people, right, So you're
just trying to figure out who's available, who wants to talk,
who's down to talk, who you feel helps tell that story.
And that's why when people look at it, I say, like, well,
that's probably the wrong way to look at this documentary,
Like who they interview, right, It's almost like, but what
are we talking about? That's the more important thing, right,
less alone like oh I don't know this person, I
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don't know. It was like, well, I don't know your
cousin either. I don't know why your cousin should be
in the document you know what I mean. But it's
like it's kind of missing the force from the trees
a little.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
It helped a lot of people get notoriety too. You
can have some like really funny tweets. I remember when
Fab started tweeting. I was early, Oh, he has a
good sense of humor something they didn't know. And then
you know, that's how that whole ray J yeah versus.
And you know what, the way that Raj even called
in the show was, I was in Vegas. Somebody told
me RAYJ and Fab gon in a fight. And whenever
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something happens or somebody tells me something happened, all I
do is search the person's name on Twitter, yep. And
that's how I can see if anybody's talking about it recently.
And that's how I saw one person tweet about it
really and that's when I got RAYJ to call in
because I was like, I said it on the air.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I was like, it looks like ray J got into
an altercation.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And then Billy J called me and was like, ray
J wants to call in, wow because he heard me
say it, and he was like, I want to tell.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
My but that's but that's how I mean. You know,
black Twitter is like better than seeing in you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I guess so much honestly, when it's time to like
prep for things. One of the best things to do
when you want to study somebody is just kind of
do like look at their Twitter page, but then also
see like the engagement, who they're talking to and what
people are saying yep, and that helps a lot with
shaping like what type of.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Questions you want to ask.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Sometimes for me though, like I want to Just the
other day, I was going to write something on Twitter
and then I was like, or as we call it,
x now, but I was like, let me not even
do that because I don't even want to write things.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
And then people, you.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Know, all of a sudden for you because I was
just thinking about, like, you know, renovating my house and
how I have no patience, like I'm so impatient and
everything I do, like I want things done right now,
right away. So I was just gonna be like, I'm
so impatient, that's one of my and then I was like,
you know what, I don't know what people are going
to think, and I like, sometimes I just don't want
to be bothered because it's such a crazy sure place.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
And I think it's one of those things also too,
where like not everybody has to know your every thought
either too, you know what I mean. But you know,
that's the thing about black Twitter is like that That's
one thing I do love about it, is like you're
gonna get a lot of different opinions because we're not
a monolith right at the end of the day, right
like you're gonna, you know, as much as much as
I would love everybody to love the doc, that would
be like not interesting or not fair, you know, I mean,
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because it's like we're not like we don't all think
for I.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Also think that when you really want to be great
at something, you have to do things that everybody doesn't like.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, it's just like fashion.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
You could wear something I think it's amazing and some
people do, but then there's gonna be a lot of
people if you decide to jump out there that hate it,
and you have to be okay with that.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
You go out one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
I tell this to my kids, and I think it
was one of the things I tried to do with
the doc was, you know, I'd never done anything like
this before. You know, most of my all of my
work pretty much had been scripted to that point, and
so you know, I was I wasn't afraid to fail
at this, you know, because you're like, oh, you get
known for something, and you get known for having success,
and so the idea of having a failure on your
thing is kind of like not great. But I knew
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I also wouldn't get better or you know, as a
creative if I just always did things I knew I
could do. So I was seeking trying to be uncomfortable.
I was seeking trying to find something that would again
push me out of my comfort zone, like to be
creative in a different way. Right, And so I'm so
glad I did you know what I mean, you know,
regardless of what the outcome of that was going to be,
you know, for me, it was like the process of that.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
How did you and Jason come together to do this?
Whose idea was it? Who approached too?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:29):
So you know Wired magazine is owned by a bigger
conglomerate called Conde Nast, and so they have their own
studio that they have and so Sarah Amos, who is
who works in there sort of adapting stuff into TV
or movies, came to me and was like, hey, I
want you to direct it. And I was really nervous
again about doing it. I didn't know why I was like,
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I don't do this, and she was like, you look,
we need somebody who can tell a narrative, not necessarily
like a documentary filmmaker, someone who can tell a story,
to tell this story. And I was again, I was
really nervous to do it. And it really wasn't until
I thought about Sparklee's one of my favorite filmmakers, and
I thought about how obviously he does movies, but he
also does docs, right, he did like When the Levees
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Break and for a Little Girls, and he did the
Off the Wall doc about Michael Jackson's album. So I
was like, well, there's you know, something to sort of,
you know, hang my hat on, like let me try.
And I'm so glad again, I'm so glad I did
because it just pushed me in a way that I
would not have done anything like that before.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
What are some things that you learned from this process?
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Well, from the process, I was it was a fun
thing to again stretch your muscles creatively, right, Like I
knew in the dock, I felt I had watched a
lot of documentaries right before I started filming it, and
I was like, I always feel like sometimes docs are
kind of interviewing people in kind of like generic spaces,
and I really wanted the spaces that we talked to
all the people that to feel super specific in the
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way that black Twitter feels, right, And so I was like,
I want them to be in sets where black people
tweet from, so barbershops, hair salons, a subway, right, in
places like that. So it was like, I wanted all
the locations, all the sets to feel like where we
engage from, right.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Things like that.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I wanted to use sort of gifts and memes to
like punctuate things comedically right in the same way I wanted.
I wanted the visual style of the doc to feel
like you were in Black Twitter.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, I mean black Twitter is a hilarious place too.
It's very creative. It is they should be getting paid
for these sweets.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Yes, Amanda says this great thing where she says, I
didn't know so many people on black Twitter had photoshop
and graphic arts degrees because we will photoshop and thing.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Into something real quick like no joke like, no joke like, and.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
It's brilliant dragging you sometimes you have to laugh, likeous,
pretty funny because and.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
That's the other thing we were saying you know, you know,
black Twitter is like the back of the school bus
when you go on that field trip, right, It's like
anybody can get these jokes.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Nobody's above it.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
There's nobody that's that's too cool to be, you know,
getting cracked on.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
And that really is the space.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
I think it's a great like, uh, democrat is a
of space on there where again everything's equal.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, you get to.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
See one person you tested on was Rihanna, and we
had a chance to see her clapping back, Oh clapping
back and like whoa, yes, like her clapbacks were out,
Oh savage, savage, and that's how she got savage.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
That's that's how we talk about that, like her. You know,
you talked about Fab.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
You know, it's like when you're saying, oh, people didn't
know he was like funny, but if like you listen
to his music, Fab, they haven't punchlines in his songs, right,
So it's like, so him posting it on Twitters kind
of to me like a natural extension of who he
already was, and saying with Rihanna, it's like you're just
kind of watching, like the world kind of got to
see the natural extension of who she was at a
time when you know pre uh, you know, celebrities having
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all these kind of handlers who wouldn't let them tweet this,
or it was like everybody was sort of just being themselves, right.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It's kind of like taking the wall down, yeah, and
getting a chance to see somebody that is like your homegirl.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Yeah, and it's just as petty, Like they just as
petty as us, They just as shady as us.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
They are all those things now.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
The other side though, people getting canceled, right.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
And one of the things you start off talking about
is Polyadine and how people realized how racist she was
because of black Twitter. Yes, and then and then and
then that turned into a whole joke with them talking
about different racist recipes.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Yes, yes, And I mean that's one of the things
too of black Twitter is like we're gonna it's like
sometimes you know, like we're definitely gonna have these jokes.
And I think what's interesting sometimes on black Twitter is
there's the way that black culture will seriously mobilize, right
and have like a real beef and articulate the real
problem with it. But then there's other times where we
use humor as a method to call those things out.
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And this and the same kind of outcome still happens
for us. Right, It's like we still get to like
stand up for ourselves, but we're using humor as the
way to do it, as opposed to like, well, here's
why it's wrong blahlah blah blah blah blah. And sometimes
the humor uh puts a different spin on it that
makes it feel not so like in your face but
just calling out the fun of the hypocrisy of it.
And obviously, you know, I don't know where Poalardine is,
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but yeah, but it was wild.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Do you think that people because I kind of had
this theory that most people Everyone talks about how bad
cancel culture is, but I think the majority of.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
People don't get canceled. That gets to me, it's super rare.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
It has to be like something crazy people are getting
temporarily dragged.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
I think there's a difference between somebody kind of I
think there's I think there's canceled. I think there's dragged,
and I think there's time out right. Yeah, And I
think sometimes people confuse being put kind of in a timeout.
And I've learned like also Twitter timeout is like a
couple of days, because for the most part, somebody's gonna
do something. Yeah, something will inevitably happen, and then.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
It kind of goes away, and it kind of goes
like all we talked about was Diddy and then this
whole Kendrick and Drake beef happened, and it kind of
and people be like, I know, he's happy there, because
every time something happens and you're in the headlines, and
then something else happens, you're like.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Whoa, yes, get it takes one percent, it takes a
new cycle law. So you know there are again, there are
people who are like canceled canceled, and then there are
people who are, like you said, who get dragged, and
then I think most people get put in time out.
But because all of that kind of gets mixed in
together sometimes that it's hard to figure out, well, which
one are you in. But I do think there's more
degrees now of that than there was before.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
And I think one of the best benefits of black
Twitter has been bringing attention to things like and you
touch on this in the documentary Trayvon Martin and how
that became a hashtag and a movement, and we saw
a lot of that also happening during the pandemic where
everybody was at home and witnessing all these awful things,
you know that were happening, like George Floyd, Breonna Taylor
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and watching all of this and Ahmad Arbery and so
seeing that attention being brought and seeing the hashtags and
we learned about the history of hashtags too, which I
didn't know about. I thought it was a great education
because it's something that we all use, but it gives
us some background. But I do feel like at the
same time that it helps to bring attention to things.
Sometimes there's a lot of mis information and elections politics,
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all of that plays apart in black Twitter too, and
so you know, especially right now when I'm thinking about
like what's happening, and like Donald Trump always says, if
I say something enough times, people will believe it's true.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, and that is a fact.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, oh, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
And we talk about that in episode two a lot.
It's it was weird editing episode two coming up to
an election cycle, because it's like.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Man, we're here again. Yah, We're here again.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
And if we don't kind of learn the lesson from previously,
you know, we're gonna fall into the same mistake, you
know what I mean. And so yeah, it's a it's
a weird time to have this come out during an
election year, for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
You know, because one thing I can't stand is Twitter activists.
People who go on Twitter. Huh, they don't do nothing
in real life but tweet about what needs to happen
or like what you need, not doing their job, and
it's kind of like, okay, but what are you doing? Yeah,
And that's always how I feel, like I see people
talking about do this, do that? Oh, that person's whack,
this person is terrible this, but what are you going
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to do now to provide some solutions or to help?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Yeah, and that's also like an interesting thing too, right,
Like somebody was saying to us, like Twitter is a
real place, but it's also not a real place.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Right. So it's like a real place.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
In that you know, we come together for humor, we
come together to you know, tweet about scandal, We come
together to you know, like be activists as well, we
come together to like to be a community, Right, But
it's also like not a real place because somebody like that,
you wouldn't kick it with them in real life, right.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
You could also like be like I'm done talking to you, right,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
So it's also like a fine thing of how much
energy you give into it versus how much you're like,
I'm gonna just let that rock and keep it pushing,
you know what I mean. I always try to do
a thing if this person was in the middle of
a town square, like this person was in the middle
of the street, where I'd be like, oh, they're really
interesting or what, I'd be like this this my fucker crazy,
you know what I mean, And so I kind of
judge it based on that.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It's like sometimes people go to college and they reinvent
their whole personality and what they did before.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
They were like three books, go.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
On Twitter and all of a sudden they are gangster.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yeah, yep, yep, see brother, what you need to do?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
And another great thing that happened on Twitter was Zola.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Zola is incredible.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
The fact that somebody could write a story that amazing
yeah on Twitter, and then it gets turned into a movie.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
It's it's crazy. Like I always telling somebody, I was like,
I've been writing twenty years. I could never come up
with something as good as Zola, because I would be like,
there's nothing like this ever happens in real life.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah, but anybody did. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I was gonna say, I can't see you going out
and stripping on the room. But I always say real
life is more interesting anything in her real life story.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I had a chance to meet her really, yeah, and
and host the movie screening for her and everything, and
it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
What was her point of view about all of this?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I mean, I think she couldn't believe it either, Yeah,
you know, and some parts of the movie obviously were
not sure, you know, accurate to the whole story, and
there were people that didn't believe certain things. You know,
that's always going to happen because it's her point of view.
And I think the girl that she like, oh no,
had a whole different.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Of course, Yeah, of course, of course.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
A whole different type of story. And then when you're
doing a movie, it's never gonna match.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
No, it's never gonna be the real life.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
A situation of what happened.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Now.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I know you have other projects that you're working on,
and one in particular that I was thinking looked really
interesting was Queens.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Oh okay, so can you tell.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Me about that and what made you decide you wanted
to do a movie about immigrant women in New York City.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I mean a show.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yeah that was actually at HBO, So we're actually in
the that was actually a play by Martina Mayock, And
we're still sort of in the weeds of that a
little bit since I've left HBO, Like we're not as
involved in that anymore. But she's an amazing playwright and
that was an amazing and it was based off of
work she did. And so again it was just stories
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that you don't typically hear, right, which I think is
the thing that I think I typically typically kind of
gravitate to are stories that I feel like the people
over there, like what is that person doing, Like the
person that you're not kind of expecting who to follow?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Right, Like that was kind of the appeal you.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
To do Insecure, was, you know, here's here's a story
about a black woman. You typically, if this was a
normal sitcom, she would be like the fourth or fifth lead.
She wouldn't be the person you'd follow in their personal life, right,
And so to me, those are the kind of stories
I gravitate to other people that you kind of feel
forgotten about, which is the same thing about you know,
black Twitter is son of a culture that you don't
really think, oh has done a lot, you know if
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you're outside of it. Obviously, if you're in it, right,
you know, you know what we've done. But I think
if you're outside of it, you're just like like, what
is this thing?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
What is that? Oh?
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I'm not really paying attention to that. But it's like
it's driving culture, it's driving conversations.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
So yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
One thing I loved about Insecure just piggybacking off of
what you said was obviously it came from her series
Awkward Black Girl, but it made me feel more comfortable
with being awkward because I did so many awkward things.
I was like, Oh, that's how I am too.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Yeah, And it's so funny, Like I remember when we
were selling on a title for the show and the
head of HBO at the time said, I don't think
we should call the show insecure. Like when I see you,
I don't see you as in secure. I see you
as a strong black blah blah blah. And he was like,
that's the whole point is that you do seem like that,
but that's not how I see myself all the time, right,
I don't see myself like that, and a lot of
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black women don't see ourselves like that. We don't always
see ourselves as the sort of you know, black woman
that's got it all together all the single time, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
It's like you have to act like it, but that's.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Not really who I am, and so you're dying yeah inside,
your clumsy as hell and so so yeah, so I
think those are the types of Yeah, so I totally agree.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
So do you feel like you would do more documentaries
or docuseries after this?
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Yeah, I definitely would. I definitely got the bug to do.
I don't know what subject matter it would be. I
think it's just the same way that black Twitter came.
It would just have to be a subject matter that
I thought was really interesting or had something to say.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
But a thousand percent I love this process. It was
it was it's long, ain't no money.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
But that is one thing about documentaries, you know. I did.
I did a docuseries.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
What was it? What was it?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
So this was on VH one and it was called
My two Scam Story, and.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
It was, oh I remember that show you?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, Jennifer Williams she got from basketball while she got
scammed from a guy she was dating out of her
range from her and some money and things like that,
and it turned out he scammed a whole bunch of people.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Because I love a good scam story.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I mean, it's were you following the Resa Tisa thing?
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yes, of course, yeah. You know.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Somebody shout out to Kimosario shod me the other day.
She was like, girl, if you have RecA Tisa on
the show, call me up.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
I was.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Actually wh I told you. I was moving.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I was packing up my house and while I was packing,
I had the whole thing playing.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
There was a YouTube that had it all well.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
All right now I saw that. Yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Was on the YouTube like three and a half hour's long.
Let me get this on.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
And watch this, and you know, it's crazy to me,
that's such a talent to be able to tell a
story like that and have people captivated.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
But it's just you.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yes, it's hard, and you're like, hold on.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Let me get out of my car. I'm going inside.
I'll be back later, and we're like, come on, hurry up,
come back.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
But that's but it's what like somebody said to me,
Zola Walks or Resa Tisa could run where it's like
that's real, you know what I mean, Like it was
a video version of Sola and.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
On in yourccountability of the things that you're like, I
know I'm stupid for it this right right right, Like
I know I shouldn't have done this, all right, I
already get it, like I think for us being able
to own that, like all the signs were there, what
was I think?
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Of course?
Speaker 4 (31:13):
But again, that's another thing about black Twitter, right, is
that story gets amplified even so much so that like
her like she is an agent now and her team
reached out to me and some other people in terms
of turning that into a TV show or a movie.
So but it's like it's all because Zola makes that
feel real, like, oh, you can take this story over
here that blew up over here. It obviously has people
that want to see what happens, right and then turn
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it into something else. So I think you're going to
see that happening more and more. And that really, to
me is the power of black Twitter. It's almost like
it's being like workshopped in a real where it's like
workshoping somebody's real life and the other thing in the
best place where it's like if it passes like the.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Black Twitter sniff test. It's for real.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Where is black Twitter at now? You think, because, like
you said, this article was in twenty twenty one. Yeah,
and so now it's twenty twenty four, So do you
feel like it's still as prevalent as it once was?
Speaker 4 (32:00):
I think, you know, it's a little interesting, is you
know when we were making the dog, Elon bought the platform,
you know, so we're like watching it change in real time.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
People really thought they were going to get off there too.
Everybody was like I'm leaving, I'm going to threads.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yes, it was a lot, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
It's so funny because the numbers show that people have left,
but black culture and Black Twitter buy and large is
still there. And I think it's because we feel like, look,
we don't like, you know, black culture is always being
moved and shifted around and kind of pushed around in
this country, and I think we were like, well, we've
kind of made this space, we've kind of curated this space.
Why do we feel like we need to leave right
in essence?
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Right?
Speaker 4 (32:35):
And if we did that for everything in America, we
would never be anywhere, right, And so I just think
the culture is still there. Obviously, there's you know, based
on the Kendrick and Drake stuff. Yeah, a few weeks ago.
It's definitely still there, you know what I mean. But
I think our energy to me is like more off
platform now.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I think you're seeing.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
It in the ways that like, my kids are on TikTok, right,
they're on Twitter, but they moved through the world with
a black girl magic energy.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
You know.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
They moved through the world being like black Glass matter
of black boy Joys. So they're moving unapologetically off things
they heard or that were created on black Twitter, even
though like they didn't know until they saw the documentary
where all that stuff came from.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
You know, it's interesting because people have tried to make
a space for these black social media platforms, but I
don't feel like anything has stuck the way it could have. Yeah,
And I don't know why that is because again, like Twitter,
I feel like it's as popular as it is because
black people same things that creators. You know, I miss
Vine in a way, but because I definitely was like
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working on my Vine. That's why when TikTok came, I
was like, I don't want to invest my time into Yeah,
I get it. Yeah, so but now I'm like, damn,
I'm behind because you never know, like what's going to work,
you don't.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
You have no idea, You have no idea.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
And it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
In the documentary, you guys said that MySpace too many
black people were there and that's why people were leaving.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Yeah, I mean that's really what happened.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
I mean, you know, it's like you know, which is
why they sort of created Facebook, right, which is like
you know Facebook O. He is Mark Zuckerberg and obviously
he was at Harvard wish to even join Facebook at
first he had to go to Harvard. Then you had
to go to an Ivy League school, right, So it
was already kind of creating this like elitist. Yeah, y'all
can't come over here, right, and so you know, but again,
that just kind of happens in the real world too,
and that was happening there. So no, I totally I
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don't and I don't know why. Certain you know, I
think black culture likes doing two things, which is I
think we like having our conversations about things that matter
to us, but we also like being in the mainstream too, right,
And so I think anything that's gonna like feel like
it's just us in a certain way. It's cool, and
you can two things can exist, right, Like you can
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go to those kind of sites and participate and have fun,
but you can also be like, but I also want
to see what's going on over here or over there,
you know what I mean? And so I think I
don't think it has to be because they get round
a monolith, right, you know. So I think two things
can exist, but I don't think trying to. I don't
think there will ever be like a captured version of
what that was, because it's so it's it's such a
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like lightning in a bottle, you.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Know, you can't force it to happen. Things kind of
happen organically.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Yeah, and you know, obviously Black Tutor sort of happens
with the rids of Obama in certain ways, with the
rids of the platform. And also people not really knowing
at the time too, like it's too much social media bad,
Like those kind of reports weren't even out yet, right,
it was all like being on social media. Now we're like,
oh wait, like too much social media is not good
for your mental health, right, so we're yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
What about your kids and how are you with them
on social media, Like, what are the rules at home?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
The rules?
Speaker 4 (35:28):
The rules are no phone or anything during the week.
Wow zero during the week. All school all like and
they play sports so they have practices and tutors and
things like that on the weekends. We try to monitor it,
but you know, their kids so but but it's really
I think, you know, they're all TikTok and like snapchat kids,
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so they're all, you know, snapping and doing that. I
have one son who thinks I don't know what he thinks.
He is on Instagram, but he's like curates like he
has like five pictures. Picture is like like he was
at the premiere for the for the for the doc
and the hashtag was like bits and pieces and it
was like him in a suit and I was like,
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what it's bits and pieces me. He's like, I'm just
like giving the world like bits and pieces up. And
I was like, calm down, man, calm down. Yeah, very cure.
Like he's got like five pictures. He's like, I'm not
trying to give it too much. So and my daughter
like snaps, I'm eating frosted flake, Snap, I'm drinking water.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
It's just too much.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
He's got like eight thousand pictures guy like five. So
it's all it's all a mixed bag.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I feel like everybody wants to be an influencer now,
like they think it's a great way to make money
and it's but it's not easy.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
It's I know so many people that are.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Like trying to be influencers and doing things and trying
to cure it and trying to figure out how can
I monetize this? But it is something that you just
can't force, Like it's not gonna just it is.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
It's a real organic thing.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
I think it reminds me of evil when I think
about like like club shayshe and stuff. It's like, I know,
not everybody can do that, right, you know what I mean?
And now everybody can just be like, oh, this isn't
a career I trained for. It's just like I just
talked to the.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Most watched interview on YouTube ever in any category with
Kat Williams.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
And if somebody would have told you this three years ago,
Shannon Sharp is going to have the biggest podcast, you'd
be like, what, that's crazy. But it's just organic, right,
And I think it's like when it starts to feel
super forced, it just becomes like, man, it's a million
of that, right. It's not a lot of us. Right,
It's not a lot of Angelou Ye's out here. It's
not a lot of you know, Shannon Sharp's out here.
They're rare, which is why they're successful, you know what
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I mean. So I think it's just it's I think
when it feels super forced, it just is like it
comes across that way.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Now going into doing this documentary which is on Hulu
you can stream it, now, what was your hope that?
Speaker 1 (37:44):
But what did you want people to take away from this?
Speaker 3 (37:47):
I mean there's a lot.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
I mean there's people who were on black Twitter, right,
which I want them to take away a sense of
nostalgia and just remembrance and love, Like man, we really
did that, Like we really and we're still doing that right,
you know for people like my mom and my wife
and people because we tend the thing on black Twitter,
like every black person's was on Black Twitter, and I'm
like they weren't, you know what I mean, Like my
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kids aren't, my wife is. I have a lot of
friends who are not on Twitter like that where I
want them to know, like, man, I didn't know so
much stuff happened here like this, you know what I mean,
I didn't know all these movements kind.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Of were coming out of this oscar.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
So like, I don't think people I think people just
think these things just kind of happen in a vacuum,
but they don't. Right, April Rain did that, Like that
was an intentional thing that had big, long lasting movements
and still and still does. And then for people who
are not a part of the culture, like just to
like to like to recognize, yo, when the culture is
saying something that matters, right, and.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
It's not about seeking their validation or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
It really is like, hey, when the culture speaking, we
need to listen and that's important.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
All right, Well black Twitter, Yeah, people's history is on
Hulu right now to make sha you guys support why
it is nostalgic.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
So when you see it, you remember a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
You learn a lot of history of things that are
happened three parts. So I know, I'm you know, I'm
loving it because like I said, I when I first
joined Twitter, my brother made me join really and it
was he's like a tech person and it was like
kind of a space for musicians. I believe he was
telling me there was like a lot of bands and
musicians early on, I could see that that were on Twitter,
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and that's kind of what it was for. And when
I first got on, a lot of people weren't on.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
There like that. No, it wasn't a lot back then.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
I actually got And Jalen Rose always says I'm the
one that got him to join Twitter. Really yeah, also
like Ryan Leslie, Nicki Minajo. Yeah, super early on when
I was because I wanted people to go on because
I had nobody to talk about. When I first joined,
I done did everything. I was on Prinster MySpace. You
was all on everything Black Planet.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Oh, I see why you tired of tapping back there?
You was, Yeah, you was on that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
But I enjoy it. I think it's a great way
for it.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
But I think that people also have to realize you
got to live your real life too, you do. You
know it's okay to go on there. I'm on there
for work, and then I definitely set rules for myselfe Like,
when I'm not work.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
What are your rules for it?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
When I'm not working, I really don't look at it,
you know. And then I honestly feel like I need
to post more because there's things that I definitely want
to highlight that I have going on.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I keep it positive.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
You won't see me leaving like nasty messages or attacking
people things like that.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
It's not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
And I also make sure I don't write anything that
I never want to come back to me.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
So I would never go on there.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
And how do you do that?
Speaker 4 (40:23):
I'm curious, how do you decipher this is something in
maybe three years.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
I'm not going to like.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I just wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I just don't publicly write things that I feel like
can be inflammatory or nasty.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
I only write positive things.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
That's my rule.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
So if I'm going to go on social media, if
I want to talk shit, it's with my friends in private.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
And it's not even on text.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Okay, if I'm on social media, those are things that
I have, you know, a bigger picture in my life
of things that I want to do, and I never
want certain things to come back to haunt me.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
So when I talk to kids, I always.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Tell them, when you're on social media, be careful of
what it is that you're saying and writing because it
does live forever.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
It does it does? It does?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
You know?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
It's it's cool to be funny, but it's never cool
to be like cruel.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Tell I tell my son that Sating was like, hey man,
it's gonna be out here one day.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Like I mean, people.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Lose, you know, get into college and get their admissions evoked.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
We've seen that.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Man that was on SNL, I forget his name was,
who got hired by SNL and then and then and.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Then yeah, so it's just you signed to somebody and
the next thing you know, they pull up the mold tweets.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
It's like, sorry, you gotta go.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
But yeah, so just be careful of what it is everybody.
You don't have to do that, you know. Let's I
try to keep it positive.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
That's my only rule.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
I'm with that. I'm with that, all right.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Well, Princess Penny, I appreciate you. Always a pleasure talking
to you. Thank you, and make sure y'all watch and support.
Like we said, it's way up
What's up? His way up at Angela? Yee and listen.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I love when we have the definition of somebody who
is way up on the show, and Prentice Penny is
definitely that guy. What's that, Prentice?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
What's up? Angela? How you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
And before we even get into it, because you had
this black Twitter documentary on Hulu that's out right now,
a docuseries, three part docuseries, I just want to talk
about how we first met.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yeah, a long time.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Ago, twenty twelve, that's wild.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Twelve years ago.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Twelve years ago, we were kids doing The Hustle. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
The Hustle was a show on FX. Yeah, and yeah,
Freddy Gibbs was on there, Freddy.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
It's crazy who we like?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
We had Jadakiss, Freddy Nipsey hustles in the shows.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
That show was good too.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
It was fun, y'all and y'all were all in from
day one. I mean the show wasn't anything yet, so y'all,
y'all was down.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
From day one, so you know, just seeing from that
to what had you done before that?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I had started on Like Girlfriends, I had worked on Scrubs,
Happy Ending, and I think I was just one season
into Brooklyn ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Okay, they say Brooklyn that nine was an amazing show too.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
It was super fun pre Insecure. That was all pre insecure.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
We was gonna get to Insecure, okay, because we've seen
you doing your wine down and yeah yeah. But yeah,
so Prentice, even before we get into this, just your
passion for what it is that you do with producing storytelling.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Where did that come from?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I mean, you know, so it's so funny you try
to track like now, like where did all this sort
of energy come from? And my dad was like one
of the funniest dudes ever. But I didn't really connect
those dots when I was younger. But he passed away
about three years ago, and I've just been doing like
a lot of thinking about him and our past. And
really he was just a funny storyteller. I mean he
was great. He could tell the same story like forty
(01:44):
times and it'd be funny every time. So when I
look back, I'm like, I think it started there, and
then just that side of the family was just really
good at like telling stories.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I think another thing you do really well clearly is
tell women's stories too. I mean, you know, it's a
balance because I also watch Uncorked, and I learned a lot,
by the way from watching that. But even like you said,
insecure girlfriends, even the hustle, you know, being able to
tell these women's stories, where did that come from?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
You know?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I was raised by primarily like a lot of strong
black women, like my mother, my grandmother.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It was just around me a lot, like I would
always just kind of hear you know, my mom was
a single mom.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
So I'm hearing a lot of women talk at that
time about their relationships.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Probably stuff I shouldn't have been.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Hearing at that young age as they're drinking there, like
Jay and b Scotch and all those kind of drags.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
But I think it was just there.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
And I'm already like an emo type dude anyway, So
for me, I'm already tapped into that emotional side on.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Top of you before it was popular, oh for sure.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, I was emo before before all the Drake stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Absolutely, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
And another thing I saw was you and architecture of Digests. Yes,
that's amazing. Your house, by the way, it's fire.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Shout out to Carmen Smith, who designed the whole house
out of out of the Bay Area She was incredible.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
It's nice to be able to go home to a
place that you love.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I mean we were trying to figure out, like what's
the forever house, you know, and I was like, you know,
I wanted to come home and let it feel like,
you know, like a super specific kind of house that
not everybody have, but also still feel like a home home,
not just like oh this is nice to look at,
but something.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
To live in. You know.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
We have three kids, and so we still wanted to
feel like a house, you know, like a home.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
And so she did a great job.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, and you are bold with the colors and the designs.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Super bold, which you like. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, you like to do a lot of monochromatic and
that can look good. But I always love the way
that people can put colors and textures and different patterns together.
It's a scary thing to do.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
It is because our house when we first moved in
was during the pandemic, and it's a mid century house,
so it was a lot of white and we had
never been around that much white.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
We were like, maybe we'll keep it kind of white.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. We were like, maybe we'll keep
it this way. And then it just felt kind of
boring and kind of flat, and so you shout the
carme and she was like, how bold do y'all want
to get?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Like's what's Let's go for it and she did a
great job.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
All right, now let's get into before we get into
the black Twitter.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Insecure.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, man, you know, that was one of my favorite
shows still, like of all time. Really to go back
and rewatch old episodes and you know, and I was
definitely sad when Insecure came to an end, but I
also understand wanting to go out on a high note.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, he said, it's so funny.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
East and I from the first season were like, how
long do you want to do this? And we both
said at the same time five seasons and then but
we never told anybody. We just kind of always kept
that in the back of our head that like it
was going to end out fire because we didn't want
it to be like where people were like, I get it,
Molly can't.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Get no man, East's clumsy, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Like we wanted to end on a note where people
still wanted to show around, you know what I mean,
as opposed to like why they're still here?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I mean, and so it kind of sharpened our focus
and the types of stories we wanted to tell because
we knew we couldn't be like treading water. We had
to be super intentional about all the stories. So yeah,
we wanted to leave when people still loved this, and
like the show.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Is it hard when you get attached to like certain
storylines or relationships and then you have to like write
into it like they break up?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Of course, of course, I mean it was I mean,
you know, it really was like a family. So you know,
we had God obviously, we had you know, jail Us
on there.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
We had a line on there.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
You know, we had sharonas on there, and so these
people become like friends, they become family. So like writing
a line off was like, we're not gonna see him
any you know what I mean. Again, it gets it
gets tough, and so there was even a point where
we were going to write Jay off, I mean, season three,
he's like not in it.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Until halfway through we were like, oh we in that.
We were like nah, no, no, we got to have Jay around.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
So you know, it does get tough when people have
to leave, you know, but you're just trying to keep
telling the stories.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
That feels super interesting.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I know people had talked about like a movie or
something like that. Is that something you guys still discuss.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
That's all on your girl. I mean that's all like, yeah,
I'm I told her. I was like, if you ever
want to do a movie or ever want to do
it again, I'm I'm all in, I'll do it with.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
You in your head.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
What would be the plot of the movie. I think
it's her input, but just like if it was up.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
To you, I think it depends on what age catch them, right,
Like I've always been curious, like what would it look
like for them as like new parents, like new parentcy
kind of trying to balance, you know, being a parent.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
This is a step mom. Maybe she got her like
her her first kid with you know, Laurence.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
And you know, Molly's a new mom being around all
these new boogie mom you know what I mean. Like
maybe that's kind of like the next chapter for them.
But yeah, I think that'd be like a fun story,
either that or them at like eighty oh wows. Yeah,
Molly still came on her fifth husband.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
You got to do mally like that.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I don't know Molly's doing.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I feel like people confuse her real life a lot
with her character Molly, and she gets so annoyed.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yvonne.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Yeah, there definitely gets some lines blurred of people not
separate Yvonne from Molly the character for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
All right, now let's get into this black Twitter docu
series that you did.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So this is this based on the Wired article?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yes, it's based for.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Him, absolutely, It's based on Jason's article. That is so
funny because he wrote the article in twenty twenty one.
So the article actually ends on January sixth, and that's
when I came on board. But obviously so much happened
between now, you know, you know now and then on
the platform, so we obviously had to go past that.
But yeah, that's where all the whole thing stems from.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Has on Twitter. Black Twitter's been good to you.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, when it comes to Insecure, I think even I
want to feel like when I watched Uncorked, I might
have seen about it first.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Yeah, they were super supportive of that of uncork for sure,
because I think it was also a different you know,
we were all home, it was the pandemic, you know
what I mean, And I think it was a different
representation of black culture, right of seeing you know, black
culture and Memphis, but also seeing.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Us do wine and things like that.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Now that like, you know, Dwane Wade's got a wine label,
all these athletes are into once.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
So it was kind of best friend and.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Grid best with my best wine. Shout out to IoT,
I best wine here In the first thing.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
The only reason I even know how to pronounce that
word is because of your movie.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
That's What's Up. I love that. I love that.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
But you know, black culture it always does that, you
know what I mean, And so to me, it was
a different way to see our culture.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
And they were super supportive of that too. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
So are you a wine kind of sewer yourself?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I want to say I'm a wine kind of sew.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I drank wine obviously, but I can't sit there and
be like, oh, this is a so and so I
know the wines I like.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Or the types of wines I like.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I want to get better at that so badly.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
It's tough. There's so much out there. There's so much
out there.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I just kind of know, like the taste profile I like,
and I try to find stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Okay, so Black Twitter, let's go back to that.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Certain things I was watching this docu series, and I
didn't realize, like we were talking about this in the
room Scandal, I just in my head the Scandal was
always a big show, but black Twitter played a huge
role in Scandal becoming as popular as it did.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, Scandal was really struggling in the ratings at the beginning,
you know what I mean. And obviously it was the
first time a black woman had been the lead of
a show since I think Diane Carroll in the seventies.
So yeah, it's it's wild and so you know, it
was still trying to find its footing and really was
black Twitter that was talking about the show. And that's
when ABC sort of recognized, Wow, this show is generating
(09:06):
a lot of social media traffic right in terms of
people talking about it and things like that, and that
really boosted the ratings, which then it obviously helps the
show go on. It helps Sean dra Roons get more shows, obviously,
because we were now everybody live tweets.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I mean that's like a thing that like you just talk.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
About as any sort of movie sometimes we get type
of live tweet and but yeah, but that but the
live tweet as we know it didn't exist until that
was just us being us.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Have you ever been dragged by black Twitter?
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Ooh, I don't think I've ever been dragged dragged by
black Twitter. But when this doc was announced, Yeah, it
was definitely a lot of conversation around around it.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Did you anticipate that because I would think that I
did Definition of black Twitter, and having studied it and
done this docu series in your head, you had to
be late they about to drag me some of them.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, I definitely, I definitely.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
It was the it was the type of dragging that
was happening right, which was more of the who is this?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Who made this right?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Which was like oh people just kind of didn't know
okay who was making it?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Or I was being called defens you know.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Which I thought was on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah. I was like I was like, I guess.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
And also it was like, you know, I had done
other work that people like, so it was like kind
of not getting the benefit of the doubt, a little
bit of like well.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
If you like this, like maybe the intention.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Maybe the intention will kind of be I thought I
would get I thought I would get more goodwill. But
I was like Twitter, and I did in some way
a lot of times people were like why they gaykeep
and why they revealing our culture, which I also I
also understand, But at first I was a little I
was a little not surprised that they that they did
some of that, but surprised by the I think amount of.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
It, right.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I mean, it never ceases to amaze me certain things
because sometimes I think it can be like, you know,
certain things that happen on social media and Twitter, it
can be really cruel.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yeah, you don't really And that's the other thing, like
you don't know the randomness sometimes of like how this
is gonna play out, Like some things play out totally fine.
Some things play out you're like, that's what you that's
what you're going in about like that part. And so
it's hard to sometimes even guess, Like when people go, oh,
did you guys ever like shape stories for the for
black Twitter, I'm like, no, there's you'd be you know,
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trying to chase your tail about like what they're gonna
get up about or what they're gonna love or what
they're not gonna like you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So it's just it's just hard to predict.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
How did you decide who would be the Well, I
guess a lot of these people were in the article too. Yes,
so that's what made you say, Okay, we're going to
talk to you know, this person because I saw some
great people like Jimille lem Lemieu is on there.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Who else was Amanda Sales?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Of course it is not there?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, and so and the.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Thinking behind that where there's some people that were upset
that they were not included, because to me, it's also
like black Twitter, but who is considered a part of
black Twitter and who is not? You know what I'm saying,
it is hard for me to determine, like people claiming, Okay,
I'm black Twitter.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
But then I think it's I will one.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I think if you say i'm I think I think
all of the culture is black Twitter.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Right, That's that's one. Right. So I think saying like
one documentary or one.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Docuseries could be definitive of all of black Twitter is
like kind of like a fool's errand like there's no
way this doc can represents literally everything that happened on Blackwit.
So it's almost like if you were to do a
movie about somebody's life, like I don't know, it's Malcolm X,
like the only version of that story that could exist. Yeah,
and I'm sure the other filmmakers can make other stories
about Malcolm X that would be just as interesting or
compelling or whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
So complex, there's so many different angles.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
You take what you know, what timeframe are you talking about? This?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
That and the third and you know, and obviously, like
you know, when you join Twitter, right, that shapes kind
of how your view of black Twitter is.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
And so when I joined nine.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Okay, I was looking at it made me go back
in huh would you join August eight?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah, so we were run the same time.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
And you know, I mean, what's I think what is
interesting right in the doc is we started with the
people that Jason interviewed, right, and again he interviewed like
thirty people, which four and article is like a lot
of people, right, But then there were some people back
then who were like, I'm busy. There were some people
then like I don't want to share about black Twitter,
and people have all kinds of reasons for participating or
not participating. But because we were going off his article,
(13:12):
we had to start with the people that were in
the thing, right, But then we had to figure out, well,
what's the story right? It can't just be the article, right,
it has to have a narrative that's beyond just like
here the facts of black Twitter, but what's the thematic story?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Right?
Speaker 4 (13:27):
And once we figured out the story, which was kind
of this coming of age story of black Twitter, we
had to find people that could speak to those moments
that we wanted to discuss in the coming of age stories.
So then that starts to shape who you're talking to, right,
And so I mean it's a documentary.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
It's you know, fifteen million people on Blackorter.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
You can't talk to that many people, right, So you're
just trying to figure out who's available, who wants to talk,
who's down to talk, who you feel helps tell that story.
And that's why when people look at it, I say, like, well,
that's probably the wrong way to look at this documentary,
Like who they interview, right, It's almost like, but what
are we talking about? That's the more important thing, right,
less alone like oh I don't know this person, I
(14:04):
don't know. It was like, well, I don't know your
cousin either. I don't know why your cousin should be
in the document you know what I mean. But it's
like it's kind of missing the force from the trees
a little.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
It helped a lot of people get notoriety too. You
can have some like really funny tweets. I remember when
Fab started tweeting. I was early, Oh, he has a
good sense of humor something they didn't know. And then
you know, that's how that whole ray J yeah versus.
And you know what, the way that Raj even called
in the show was, I was in Vegas. Somebody told
me RAYJ and Fab gon in a fight. And whenever
(14:33):
something happens or somebody tells me something happened, all I
do is search the person's name on Twitter, yep. And
that's how I can see if anybody's talking about it recently.
And that's how I saw one person tweet about it
really and that's when I got RAYJ to call in
because I was like, I said it on the air.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I was like, it looks like ray J got into
an altercation.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And then Billy J called me and was like, ray
J wants to call in, wow because he heard me
say it, and he was like, I want to tell.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
My but that's but that's how I mean. You know,
black Twitter is like better than seeing in you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I guess so much honestly, when it's time to like
prep for things. One of the best things to do
when you want to study somebody is just kind of
do like look at their Twitter page, but then also
see like the engagement, who they're talking to and what
people are saying yep, and that helps a lot with
shaping like what type of.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Questions you want to ask.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Sometimes for me though, like I want to Just the
other day, I was going to write something on Twitter
and then I was like, or as we call it,
x now, but I was like, let me not even
do that because I don't even want to write things.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
And then people, you.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Know, all of a sudden for you because I was
just thinking about, like, you know, renovating my house and
how I have no patience, like I'm so impatient and
everything I do, like I want things done right now,
right away. So I was just gonna be like, I'm
so impatient, that's one of my and then I was like,
you know what, I don't know what people are going
to think, and I like, sometimes I just don't want
to be bothered because it's such a crazy sure place.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
And I think it's one of those things also too,
where like not everybody has to know your every thought
either too, you know what I mean. But you know,
that's the thing about black Twitter is like that That's
one thing I do love about it, is like you're
gonna get a lot of different opinions because we're not
a monolith right at the end of the day, right
like you're gonna, you know, as much as much as
I would love everybody to love the doc, that would
be like not interesting or not fair, you know, I mean,
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because it's like we're not like we don't all think
for I.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Also think that when you really want to be great
at something, you have to do things that everybody doesn't like.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, it's just like fashion.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
You could wear something I think it's amazing and some
people do, but then there's gonna be a lot of
people if you decide to jump out there that hate it,
and you have to be okay with that.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
You go out one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
I tell this to my kids, and I think it
was one of the things I tried to do with
the doc was, you know, I'd never done anything like
this before. You know, most of my all of my
work pretty much had been scripted to that point, and
so you know, I was I wasn't afraid to fail
at this, you know, because you're like, oh, you get
known for something, and you get known for having success,
and so the idea of having a failure on your
thing is kind of like not great. But I knew
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I also wouldn't get better or you know, as a
creative if I just always did things I knew I
could do. So I was seeking trying to be uncomfortable.
I was seeking trying to find something that would again
push me out of my comfort zone, like to be
creative in a different way. Right, And so I'm so
glad I did you know what I mean, you know,
regardless of what the outcome of that was going to be,
you know, for me, it was like the process of that.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
How did you and Jason come together to do this?
Whose idea was it? Who approached too?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:29):
So you know Wired magazine is owned by a bigger
conglomerate called Conde Nast, and so they have their own
studio that they have and so Sarah Amos, who is
who works in there sort of adapting stuff into TV
or movies, came to me and was like, hey, I
want you to direct it. And I was really nervous
again about doing it. I didn't know why I was like,
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I don't do this, and she was like, you look,
we need somebody who can tell a narrative, not necessarily
like a documentary filmmaker, someone who can tell a story,
to tell this story. And I was again, I was
really nervous to do it. And it really wasn't until
I thought about Sparklee's one of my favorite filmmakers, and
I thought about how obviously he does movies, but he
also does docs, right, he did like When the Levees
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Break and for a Little Girls, and he did the
Off the Wall doc about Michael Jackson's album. So I
was like, well, there's you know, something to sort of,
you know, hang my hat on, like let me try.
And I'm so glad again, I'm so glad I did
because it just pushed me in a way that I
would not have done anything like that before.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
What are some things that you learned from this process?
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Well, from the process, I was it was a fun
thing to again stretch your muscles creatively, right, Like I
knew in the dock, I felt I had watched a
lot of documentaries right before I started filming it, and
I was like, I always feel like sometimes docs are
kind of interviewing people in kind of like generic spaces,
and I really wanted the spaces that we talked to
all the people that to feel super specific in the
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way that black Twitter feels, right, And so I was like,
I want them to be in sets where black people
tweet from, so barbershops, hair salons, a subway, right, in
places like that. So it was like, I wanted all
the locations, all the sets to feel like where we
engage from, right.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Things like that.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I wanted to use sort of gifts and memes to
like punctuate things comedically right in the same way I wanted.
I wanted the visual style of the doc to feel
like you were in Black Twitter.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, I mean black Twitter is a hilarious place too.
It's very creative. It is they should be getting paid
for these sweets.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Yes, Amanda says this great thing where she says, I
didn't know so many people on black Twitter had photoshop
and graphic arts degrees because we will photoshop and thing.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Into something real quick like no joke like, no joke like, and.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
It's brilliant dragging you sometimes you have to laugh, likeous,
pretty funny because and.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
That's the other thing we were saying you know, you know,
black Twitter is like the back of the school bus
when you go on that field trip, right, It's like
anybody can get these jokes.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Nobody's above it.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
There's nobody that's that's too cool to be, you know,
getting cracked on.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
And that really is the space.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
I think it's a great like, uh, democrat is a
of space on there where again everything's equal.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, you get to.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
See one person you tested on was Rihanna, and we
had a chance to see her clapping back, Oh clapping
back and like whoa, yes, like her clapbacks were out,
Oh savage, savage, and that's how she got savage.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
That's that's how we talk about that, like her. You know,
you talked about Fab.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
You know, it's like when you're saying, oh, people didn't
know he was like funny, but if like you listen
to his music, Fab, they haven't punchlines in his songs, right,
So it's like, so him posting it on Twitters kind
of to me like a natural extension of who he
already was, and saying with Rihanna, it's like you're just
kind of watching, like the world kind of got to
see the natural extension of who she was at a
time when you know pre uh, you know, celebrities having
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all these kind of handlers who wouldn't let them tweet this,
or it was like everybody was sort of just being themselves, right.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It's kind of like taking the wall down, yeah, and
getting a chance to see somebody that is like your homegirl.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Yeah, and it's just as petty, Like they just as
petty as us, They just as shady as us.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
They are all those things now.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
The other side though, people getting canceled, right.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
And one of the things you start off talking about
is Polyadine and how people realized how racist she was
because of black Twitter. Yes, and then and then and
then that turned into a whole joke with them talking
about different racist recipes.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Yes, yes, And I mean that's one of the things
too of black Twitter is like we're gonna it's like
sometimes you know, like we're definitely gonna have these jokes.
And I think what's interesting sometimes on black Twitter is
there's the way that black culture will seriously mobilize, right
and have like a real beef and articulate the real
problem with it. But then there's other times where we
use humor as a method to call those things out.
(21:37):
And this and the same kind of outcome still happens
for us. Right, It's like we still get to like
stand up for ourselves, but we're using humor as the
way to do it, as opposed to like, well, here's
why it's wrong blahlah blah blah blah blah. And sometimes
the humor uh puts a different spin on it that
makes it feel not so like in your face but
just calling out the fun of the hypocrisy of it.
And obviously, you know, I don't know where Poalardine is,
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but yeah, but it was wild.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Do you think that people because I kind of had
this theory that most people Everyone talks about how bad
cancel culture is, but I think the majority of.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
People don't get canceled. That gets to me, it's super rare.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
It has to be like something crazy people are getting
temporarily dragged.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
I think there's a difference between somebody kind of I
think there's I think there's canceled. I think there's dragged,
and I think there's time out right. Yeah, And I
think sometimes people confuse being put kind of in a timeout.
And I've learned like also Twitter timeout is like a
couple of days, because for the most part, somebody's gonna
do something. Yeah, something will inevitably happen, and then.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
It kind of goes away, and it kind of goes
like all we talked about was Diddy and then this
whole Kendrick and Drake beef happened, and it kind of
and people be like, I know, he's happy there, because
every time something happens and you're in the headlines, and
then something else happens, you're like.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Whoa, yes, get it takes one percent, it takes a
new cycle law. So you know there are again, there are
people who are like canceled canceled, and then there are
people who are, like you said, who get dragged, and
then I think most people get put in time out.
But because all of that kind of gets mixed in
together sometimes that it's hard to figure out, well, which
one are you in. But I do think there's more
degrees now of that than there was before.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
And I think one of the best benefits of black
Twitter has been bringing attention to things like and you
touch on this in the documentary Trayvon Martin and how
that became a hashtag and a movement, and we saw
a lot of that also happening during the pandemic where
everybody was at home and witnessing all these awful things,
you know that were happening, like George Floyd, Breonna Taylor
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and watching all of this and Ahmad Arbery and so
seeing that attention being brought and seeing the hashtags and
we learned about the history of hashtags too, which I
didn't know about. I thought it was a great education
because it's something that we all use, but it gives
us some background. But I do feel like at the
same time that it helps to bring attention to things.
Sometimes there's a lot of mis information and elections politics,
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all of that plays apart in black Twitter too, and
so you know, especially right now when I'm thinking about
like what's happening, and like Donald Trump always says, if
I say something enough times, people will believe it's true.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, and that is a fact.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, oh, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
And we talk about that in episode two a lot.
It's it was weird editing episode two coming up to
an election cycle, because it's like.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Man, we're here again. Yah, We're here again.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
And if we don't kind of learn the lesson from previously,
you know, we're gonna fall into the same mistake, you
know what I mean. And so yeah, it's a it's
a weird time to have this come out during an
election year, for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
You know, because one thing I can't stand is Twitter activists.
People who go on Twitter. Huh, they don't do nothing
in real life but tweet about what needs to happen
or like what you need, not doing their job, and
it's kind of like, okay, but what are you doing? Yeah,
And that's always how I feel, like I see people
talking about do this, do that? Oh, that person's whack,
this person is terrible this, but what are you going
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to do now to provide some solutions or to help?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Yeah, and that's also like an interesting thing too, right,
Like somebody was saying to us, like Twitter is a
real place, but it's also not a real place.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Right. So it's like a real place.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
In that you know, we come together for humor, we
come together to you know, tweet about scandal, We come
together to you know, like be activists as well, we
come together to like to be a community, Right, But
it's also like not a real place because somebody like that,
you wouldn't kick it with them in real life, right.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
You could also like be like I'm done talking to you, right,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
So it's also like a fine thing of how much
energy you give into it versus how much you're like,
I'm gonna just let that rock and keep it pushing,
you know what I mean. I always try to do
a thing if this person was in the middle of
a town square, like this person was in the middle
of the street, where I'd be like, oh, they're really
interesting or what, I'd be like this this my fucker crazy,
you know what I mean, And so I kind of
judge it based on that.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It's like sometimes people go to college and they reinvent
their whole personality and what they did before.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
They were like three books, go.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
On Twitter and all of a sudden they are gangster.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yeah, yep, yep, see brother, what you need to do?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
And another great thing that happened on Twitter was Zola.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Zola is incredible.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
The fact that somebody could write a story that amazing
yeah on Twitter, and then it gets turned into a movie.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
It's it's crazy. Like I always telling somebody, I was like,
I've been writing twenty years. I could never come up
with something as good as Zola, because I would be like,
there's nothing like this ever happens in real life.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah, but anybody did. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I was gonna say, I can't see you going out
and stripping on the room. But I always say real
life is more interesting anything in her real life story.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I had a chance to meet her really, yeah, and
and host the movie screening for her and everything, and
it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
What was her point of view about all of this?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I mean, I think she couldn't believe it either, Yeah,
you know, and some parts of the movie obviously were
not sure, you know, accurate to the whole story, and
there were people that didn't believe certain things. You know,
that's always going to happen because it's her point of view.
And I think the girl that she like, oh no,
had a whole different.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Of course, Yeah, of course, of course.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
A whole different type of story. And then when you're
doing a movie, it's never gonna match.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
No, it's never gonna be the real life.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
A situation of what happened.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Now.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I know you have other projects that you're working on,
and one in particular that I was thinking looked really
interesting was Queens.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Oh okay, so can you tell.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Me about that and what made you decide you wanted
to do a movie about immigrant women in New York City.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I mean a show.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yeah that was actually at HBO, So we're actually in
the that was actually a play by Martina Mayock, And
we're still sort of in the weeds of that a
little bit since I've left HBO, Like we're not as
involved in that anymore. But she's an amazing playwright and
that was an amazing and it was based off of
work she did. And so again it was just stories
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that you don't typically hear, right, which I think is
the thing that I think I typically typically kind of
gravitate to are stories that I feel like the people
over there, like what is that person doing, Like the
person that you're not kind of expecting who to follow?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Right, Like that was kind of the appeal you.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
To do Insecure, was, you know, here's here's a story
about a black woman. You typically, if this was a
normal sitcom, she would be like the fourth or fifth lead.
She wouldn't be the person you'd follow in their personal life, right,
And so to me, those are the kind of stories
I gravitate to other people that you kind of feel
forgotten about, which is the same thing about you know,
black Twitter is son of a culture that you don't
really think, oh has done a lot, you know if
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you're outside of it. Obviously, if you're in it, right,
you know, you know what we've done. But I think
if you're outside of it, you're just like like, what
is this thing?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
What is that? Oh?
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I'm not really paying attention to that. But it's like
it's driving culture, it's driving conversations.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
So yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
One thing I loved about Insecure just piggybacking off of
what you said was obviously it came from her series
Awkward Black Girl, but it made me feel more comfortable
with being awkward because I did so many awkward things.
I was like, Oh, that's how I am too.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Yeah, And it's so funny, Like I remember when we
were selling on a title for the show and the
head of HBO at the time said, I don't think
we should call the show insecure. Like when I see you,
I don't see you as in secure. I see you
as a strong black blah blah blah. And he was like,
that's the whole point is that you do seem like that,
but that's not how I see myself all the time, right,
I don't see myself like that, and a lot of
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black women don't see ourselves like that. We don't always
see ourselves as the sort of you know, black woman
that's got it all together all the single time, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
It's like you have to act like it, but that's.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Not really who I am, and so you're dying yeah inside,
your clumsy as hell and so so yeah, so I
think those are the types of Yeah, so I totally agree.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
So do you feel like you would do more documentaries
or docuseries after this?
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Yeah, I definitely would. I definitely got the bug to do.
I don't know what subject matter it would be. I
think it's just the same way that black Twitter came.
It would just have to be a subject matter that
I thought was really interesting or had something to say.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
But a thousand percent I love this process. It was
it was it's long, ain't no money.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
But that is one thing about documentaries, you know. I did.
I did a docuseries.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
What was it? What was it?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
So this was on VH one and it was called
My two Scam Story, and.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
It was, oh I remember that show you?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, Jennifer Williams she got from basketball while she got
scammed from a guy she was dating out of her
range from her and some money and things like that,
and it turned out he scammed a whole bunch of people.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Because I love a good scam story.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I mean, it's were you following the Resa Tisa thing?
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yes, of course, yeah. You know.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Somebody shout out to Kimosario shod me the other day.
She was like, girl, if you have RecA Tisa on
the show, call me up.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
I was.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Actually wh I told you. I was moving.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I was packing up my house and while I was packing,
I had the whole thing playing.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
There was a YouTube that had it all well.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
All right now I saw that. Yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Was on the YouTube like three and a half hour's long.
Let me get this on.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
And watch this, and you know, it's crazy to me,
that's such a talent to be able to tell a
story like that and have people captivated.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
But it's just you.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yes, it's hard, and you're like, hold on.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Let me get out of my car. I'm going inside.
I'll be back later, and we're like, come on, hurry up,
come back.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
But that's but it's what like somebody said to me,
Zola Walks or Resa Tisa could run where it's like
that's real, you know what I mean, Like it was
a video version of Sola and.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
On in yourccountability of the things that you're like, I
know I'm stupid for it this right right right, Like
I know I shouldn't have done this, all right, I
already get it, like I think for us being able
to own that, like all the signs were there, what
was I think?
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Of course?
Speaker 4 (31:13):
But again, that's another thing about black Twitter, right, is
that story gets amplified even so much so that like
her like she is an agent now and her team
reached out to me and some other people in terms
of turning that into a TV show or a movie.
So but it's like it's all because Zola makes that
feel real, like, oh, you can take this story over
here that blew up over here. It obviously has people
that want to see what happens, right and then turn
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it into something else. So I think you're going to
see that happening more and more. And that really, to
me is the power of black Twitter. It's almost like
it's being like workshopped in a real where it's like
workshoping somebody's real life and the other thing in the
best place where it's like if it passes like the.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Black Twitter sniff test. It's for real.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Where is black Twitter at now? You think, because, like
you said, this article was in twenty twenty one. Yeah,
and so now it's twenty twenty four, So do you
feel like it's still as prevalent as it once was?
Speaker 4 (32:00):
I think, you know, it's a little interesting, is you
know when we were making the dog, Elon bought the platform,
you know, so we're like watching it change in real time.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
People really thought they were going to get off there too.
Everybody was like I'm leaving, I'm going to threads.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yes, it was a lot, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
It's so funny because the numbers show that people have left,
but black culture and Black Twitter buy and large is
still there. And I think it's because we feel like, look,
we don't like, you know, black culture is always being
moved and shifted around and kind of pushed around in
this country, and I think we were like, well, we've
kind of made this space, we've kind of curated this space.
Why do we feel like we need to leave right
in essence?
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Right?
Speaker 4 (32:35):
And if we did that for everything in America, we
would never be anywhere, right, And so I just think
the culture is still there. Obviously, there's you know, based
on the Kendrick and Drake stuff. Yeah, a few weeks ago.
It's definitely still there, you know what I mean. But
I think our energy to me is like more off
platform now.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I think you're seeing.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
It in the ways that like, my kids are on TikTok, right,
they're on Twitter, but they moved through the world with
a black girl magic energy.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
You know.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
They moved through the world being like black Glass matter
of black boy Joys. So they're moving unapologetically off things
they heard or that were created on black Twitter, even
though like they didn't know until they saw the documentary
where all that stuff came from.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
You know, it's interesting because people have tried to make
a space for these black social media platforms, but I
don't feel like anything has stuck the way it could have. Yeah,
And I don't know why that is because again, like Twitter,
I feel like it's as popular as it is because
black people same things that creators. You know, I miss
Vine in a way, but because I definitely was like
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working on my Vine. That's why when TikTok came, I
was like, I don't want to invest my time into Yeah,
I get it. Yeah, so but now I'm like, damn,
I'm behind because you never know, like what's going to work,
you don't.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
You have no idea, You have no idea.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
And it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
In the documentary, you guys said that MySpace too many
black people were there and that's why people were leaving.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Yeah, I mean that's really what happened.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
I mean, you know, it's like you know, which is
why they sort of created Facebook, right, which is like
you know Facebook O. He is Mark Zuckerberg and obviously
he was at Harvard wish to even join Facebook at
first he had to go to Harvard. Then you had
to go to an Ivy League school, right, So it
was already kind of creating this like elitist. Yeah, y'all
can't come over here, right, and so you know, but again,
that just kind of happens in the real world too,
and that was happening there. So no, I totally I
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don't and I don't know why. Certain you know, I
think black culture likes doing two things, which is I
think we like having our conversations about things that matter
to us, but we also like being in the mainstream too, right,
And so I think anything that's gonna like feel like
it's just us in a certain way. It's cool, and
you can two things can exist, right, Like you can
(34:39):
go to those kind of sites and participate and have fun,
but you can also be like, but I also want
to see what's going on over here or over there,
you know what I mean? And so I think I
don't think it has to be because they get round
a monolith, right, you know. So I think two things
can exist, but I don't think trying to. I don't
think there will ever be like a captured version of
what that was, because it's so it's it's such a
(34:59):
like lightning in a bottle, you.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Know, you can't force it to happen. Things kind of
happen organically.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Yeah, and you know, obviously Black Tutor sort of happens
with the rids of Obama in certain ways, with the
rids of the platform. And also people not really knowing
at the time too, like it's too much social media bad,
Like those kind of reports weren't even out yet, right,
it was all like being on social media. Now we're like,
oh wait, like too much social media is not good
for your mental health, right, so we're yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
What about your kids and how are you with them
on social media, Like, what are the rules at home?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
The rules?
Speaker 4 (35:28):
The rules are no phone or anything during the week.
Wow zero during the week. All school all like and
they play sports so they have practices and tutors and
things like that on the weekends. We try to monitor it,
but you know, their kids so but but it's really
I think, you know, they're all TikTok and like snapchat kids,
(35:49):
so they're all, you know, snapping and doing that. I
have one son who thinks I don't know what he thinks.
He is on Instagram, but he's like curates like he
has like five pictures. Picture is like like he was
at the premiere for the for the for the doc
and the hashtag was like bits and pieces and it
was like him in a suit and I was like,
(36:10):
what it's bits and pieces me. He's like, I'm just
like giving the world like bits and pieces up. And
I was like, calm down, man, calm down. Yeah, very cure.
Like he's got like five pictures. He's like, I'm not
trying to give it too much. So and my daughter
like snaps, I'm eating frosted flake, Snap, I'm drinking water.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
It's just too much.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
He's got like eight thousand pictures guy like five. So
it's all it's all a mixed bag.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I feel like everybody wants to be an influencer now,
like they think it's a great way to make money
and it's but it's not easy.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
It's I know so many people that are.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Like trying to be influencers and doing things and trying
to cure it and trying to figure out how can
I monetize this? But it is something that you just
can't force, Like it's not gonna just it is.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
It's a real organic thing.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
I think it reminds me of evil when I think
about like like club shayshe and stuff. It's like, I know,
not everybody can do that, right, you know what I mean?
And now everybody can just be like, oh, this isn't
a career I trained for. It's just like I just
talked to the.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Most watched interview on YouTube ever in any category with
Kat Williams.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
And if somebody would have told you this three years ago,
Shannon Sharp is going to have the biggest podcast, you'd
be like, what, that's crazy. But it's just organic, right,
And I think it's like when it starts to feel
super forced, it just becomes like, man, it's a million
of that, right. It's not a lot of us. Right,
It's not a lot of Angelou Ye's out here. It's
not a lot of you know, Shannon Sharp's out here.
They're rare, which is why they're successful, you know what
(37:30):
I mean. So I think it's just it's I think
when it feels super forced, it just is like it
comes across that way.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Now going into doing this documentary which is on Hulu
you can stream it, now, what was your hope that?
Speaker 1 (37:44):
But what did you want people to take away from this?
Speaker 3 (37:47):
I mean there's a lot.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
I mean there's people who were on black Twitter, right,
which I want them to take away a sense of
nostalgia and just remembrance and love, Like man, we really
did that, Like we really and we're still doing that right,
you know for people like my mom and my wife
and people because we tend the thing on black Twitter,
like every black person's was on Black Twitter, and I'm
like they weren't, you know what I mean, Like my
(38:08):
kids aren't, my wife is. I have a lot of
friends who are not on Twitter like that where I
want them to know, like, man, I didn't know so
much stuff happened here like this, you know what I mean,
I didn't know all these movements kind.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Of were coming out of this oscar.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
So like, I don't think people I think people just
think these things just kind of happen in a vacuum,
but they don't. Right, April Rain did that, Like that
was an intentional thing that had big, long lasting movements
and still and still does. And then for people who
are not a part of the culture, like just to
like to like to recognize, yo, when the culture is
saying something that matters, right, and.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
It's not about seeking their validation or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
It really is like, hey, when the culture speaking, we
need to listen and that's important.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
All right, Well black Twitter, Yeah, people's history is on
Hulu right now to make sha you guys support why
it is nostalgic.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
So when you see it, you remember a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
You learn a lot of history of things that are
happened three parts. So I know, I'm you know, I'm
loving it because like I said, I when I first
joined Twitter, my brother made me join really and it
was he's like a tech person and it was like
kind of a space for musicians. I believe he was
telling me there was like a lot of bands and
musicians early on, I could see that that were on Twitter,
(39:17):
and that's kind of what it was for. And when
I first got on, a lot of people weren't on.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
There like that. No, it wasn't a lot back then.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
I actually got And Jalen Rose always says I'm the
one that got him to join Twitter. Really yeah, also
like Ryan Leslie, Nicki Minajo. Yeah, super early on when
I was because I wanted people to go on because
I had nobody to talk about. When I first joined,
I done did everything. I was on Prinster MySpace. You
was all on everything Black Planet.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Oh, I see why you tired of tapping back there?
You was, Yeah, you was on that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
But I enjoy it. I think it's a great way
for it.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
But I think that people also have to realize you
got to live your real life too, you do. You
know it's okay to go on there. I'm on there
for work, and then I definitely set rules for myselfe Like,
when I'm not work.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
What are your rules for it?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
When I'm not working, I really don't look at it,
you know. And then I honestly feel like I need
to post more because there's things that I definitely want
to highlight that I have going on.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I keep it positive.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
You won't see me leaving like nasty messages or attacking
people things like that.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
It's not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
And I also make sure I don't write anything that
I never want to come back to me.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
So I would never go on there.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
And how do you do that?
Speaker 4 (40:23):
I'm curious, how do you decipher this is something in
maybe three years.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
I'm not going to like.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I just wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I just don't publicly write things that I feel like
can be inflammatory or nasty.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
I only write positive things.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
That's my rule.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
So if I'm going to go on social media, if
I want to talk shit, it's with my friends in private.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
And it's not even on text.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Okay, if I'm on social media, those are things that
I have, you know, a bigger picture in my life
of things that I want to do, and I never
want certain things to come back to haunt me.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
So when I talk to kids, I always.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Tell them, when you're on social media, be careful of
what it is that you're saying and writing because it
does live forever.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
It does it does? It does?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
You know?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
It's it's cool to be funny, but it's never cool
to be like cruel.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Tell I tell my son that Sating was like, hey man,
it's gonna be out here one day.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Like I mean, people.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Lose, you know, get into college and get their admissions evoked.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
We've seen that.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Man that was on SNL, I forget his name was,
who got hired by SNL and then and then and.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Then yeah, so it's just you signed to somebody and
the next thing you know, they pull up the mold tweets.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
It's like, sorry, you gotta go.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
But yeah, so just be careful of what it is everybody.
You don't have to do that, you know. Let's I
try to keep it positive.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
That's my only rule.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
I'm with that. I'm with that, all right.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Well, Princess Penny, I appreciate you. Always a pleasure talking
to you. Thank you, and make sure y'all watch and support.
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