Howard Makler is Founder and CEO of Innovation Refunds

Here’s something you don’t hear every day: Howard Makler didn’t go to college but was a professor at Wharton. 

Howie is the founder and CEO of http://getrefunds.com (actual company name is Innovation Refunds.) He's a lifelong entrepreneur and I heard a conversation that he had on a podcast with iHeart CEO Bob Pittman that I found so interesting I asked him to join me for a conversation. We'll hear, among other things, about his conversation with Steve Jobs after Howard bought his (Howard's, not Steve's) first computer.

He was also into the idea of networked video gaming before there was an Internet to make it happen, and he has a game design credit on a famous (for old-school PC nerds) computer game!

It’s like sports, but with video games: Post | LinkedIn

Ultima II: The Revenge of the Enchantress... (1982) - MobyGames

To hear more from Howard (in conversation with iHeart CEO Bob Pittman: Math & Magic: Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing with Bob Pittman: Howard Makler: “Your brand is a fingerprint of your behavior.” on Apple Podcasts)