January 4, 2022 • 37 mins
Tuesday on 2 Pros and Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington recap Big Ben's last game at Heinz Field. Claims that Antonio Brown couldn't play because of an ankle injury or mental illness ring false and Caleb Williams shows us how the transfer portal is basically NFL free agency.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar Are Brady Quinn and Jonas Knocks
on Fox Furs Radio. The whole band is back together again.
We welcome in Brady Quinn making his Fox Sports Radio
debut in two Big Time, big Time. Yeah, like it
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was a big deal. Yeah, big time, shot up the space. Um,
you know it's big time. It's Big Ben. It's not
really last night, although they did get to win, I
mean in his big time in his career. Yeah, yards completion.
I thought we're skyrocketing last night. Um, that's that's Matt
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Canada's fault. Dude. I'm telling you that everyone's like, well,
they need to replace Big Ben at some point, you
also need to replace your o C. Alright, Stiller's fans. Now,
now you being one of the and you've reveled in
the idea of you know, knocking them out of the playoffs,
are playing well against them, and you guys beating Pittsburgh
when you watch him last night and you see I
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came away from that game going all right, we're good here,
Like he's he's never playing anywhere else. Um, next week
will would be his last game and and it's it's
clear that this is it like that. That was my
big takeaway. I look at it and I go, this
is more like a you know, Drew Brees final game
in New Orleans. It was sort of it was closer
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to Eli, I think, because see what you want about
Breeze at the end of their career, they were actually
going to the playoffs. You know, they were making playoff runs.
They had a team that could do it. So and
even by the way, it never looks pretty in the end,
like people tend to forget, like, yeah, Peyton won too,
But that last season he was there, he was banged up,
he was injured, he didn't he wasn't doing a whole
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heck of a lot. It was that defense, the running game,
and him kind of, you know, being the general he was.
But it was a far cry in the Super Bowl
he won over the Bears. There was a lot of
air let out of that ball. I'll tell you that
he had a whole lot of floaters that last season.
That but and even with Eli, you know, it got
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to a point where obviously the Giants weren't contending, they
really haven't been for the past five years, and he
was in a position where it was like his play
just wasn't that good. He had got to a point
where it was. I mean that's what usually happens. Tom
Brady's the outlier. Like we we compared these other quarterbacks
who are Hall of Fame players, and we compare them
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to Tom, Like it's gonna work out the same way
for them. It's not, dude, like this is it's so rare.
Like I loved about when Tom hit and it was
like forties is low forties. Now he's in his mid forties.
People were like, Oh, this is gonna be every quarterback
moving on the future. No, it's not. The game is
too violent. The game is still as fast and as
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as you know, punishing as it's ever been. It's not
gonna work out this way. Like what what Ben did
being there for eighteen years, winning two Super Bowls. I mean,
that's that's what you dream of as a sports fan.
It's really really hard to do. But he was able
to do it in one of the best organizations who
continued to build and surrounded with talent. Outside of drafting
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maybe a couple second third round quarterbacks that he wasn't
happy about. For the most part, they did everything to
build to allow him to have success. So it's a
Hall of Fame career. Um, you know, I grew up
he played a Finlay High school in Ohio and a
Dublin cop and we scrimmaged Finley, we played Finley. Um,
he was older than me, so I remember as a
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freshman going and seeing him and you'll you'll never I
don't know how many you guys know this, but he
was the receiver his entire career Finley until a senior
year because their head coaches son was the quarterback. And
obviously in retrospect, people like, what were you doing? And
the funny response for his head coach is always like, well,
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the combination of my son to Ben at wide receiver
was better than the combination of Ben to my son
at wide receiver. So he's like, we had to at
some point like figure out how this is gonna work
and in order for us to win, like that gave
us the best chance to win at that point based
on our team, or at least that's what he says
the week. We could touch on that in a in
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a different segment. Daddy ball is always going to exist.
But you know the interesting thing about some of the
things that you said, Brady Is, I mean you were
a number twenty two pick in the first round. I
was a number two pick in the first round. How
many playoff games did you play in? Yeah? You know
what I mean? I played in two? Two playoff games,
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like two appearances, one as I was on injured reserve
one year and one year I played two And you
know what year I went to the to the playoffs
and played in it year year six, year six. Never
touched the play offs one time my entire career, all
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the way up until basically the end. So when you
talk about having the opportunity to come in and inherit
the type of team that Ben Roethlisberger inherited, with the
type of leadership that that was on that team, I mean,
he'll tell you about Jerome Bettis. You know guys like
Plexico Burr's were We're getting getting a little older at
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the time. Get in there, hinds Ward right, well, him
and him in Plexico, him in Plexico are really really close.
Like Plexico was actually in Pittsburgh yesterday for for the game. Um. Yeah,
but I mean just that amount of talent and leadership
that you have, and then we won't even touch on
the defensive side of the ball, because that's just one
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of the best defenses. It's up there that ranks up
there with the best ever in the game. And you
had the opportunity to step into that situation and and
the type of success that he had again they said,
I think they said, at best, there's no one that
that represents heinz Field is as much and embodies what
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heinz Field and what Pittsburgh embodies as much as Ben Roethlisberger,
and and the whole idea of the recency effect that
the conversations of what he looks like now versus what
he looked like when he got into the league, and
you know, he was a human battering ram is the
funny the one the one video, the viral video that
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went out of him and warm ups and the one
quarterback was doing the shuffle from the bags and stuff
like that, and then Ben just gets hit by the
bags and he's just taking the bag and throw and
it went viral. But that was really what Ben built
his reputation on, is extending plays, guys bouncing off of him,
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him being able to deliver the ball even and the rest.
And and that was how he handled things. I mean
his reputation um at times took hits out of you
know what some would say just being young and immature
and just growing and learning and being a superstar in
in in a football city. But he turned everything seemingly
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into what was a win for not only his own career,
but for that city. And and there's not very many
pros that get to go out on those type of terms.
Well like, even even to Brady's point, it doesn't end
like this. Even John Elway. Everybody points to John Elway going, man,
he wanted he went out winning a super Bowl. Yeah,
that's true. He also missed multiple games that year because
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he was banged up. His body was he was finished.
The Tom Brady is rarefied air that we're never gonna
see again asked for Roethlisberger. I mean, look, I I
just I don't know why he would. I can understand
if he's still got the itch to want it like
last night just told me man like it's over, like,
but don't mess it up right like they're the uniqueness
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of what he represents as I think that this is
the whole point into this conversation, is him being a Pittsburgher.
I don't want to see him anywhere else. I have
no desire to see him anywhere. It's Tom Brady. I
was fascinated to see, Hey, how would this look. I
have no interest in seeing Ben Roethlisberger play anywhere. Discort right,
there was no like controversy between Ben Roethlisberger and Mike Tomlin.
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You know, you look at the situation. It became a
little interesting between Brady and Belichick and and you felt
like at some points, like, man, maybe it's healthy for
them to not be around each other at this point.
So you know, and we talked about Peyton. Peyton went
to a different team. Even even Joe Montana went to
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a different team. Guys go to different teams. It's just
something to be said about. If you've embraced a city,
you've embodied what a city represents. The city embraces you
and you guys have that type of relationship. I think
it would be selfish to actually even go to another
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team and risk you're not gonna lose what you represent it,
but it does take a little bit of the shine
off of what you represent it being that leader for
that team for all those years, no doubt about it.
And I think the thing about Ben. That stands out
to me is, you know, just the way he kind
of grew and involved over his career. You know, we
talked about what he inherited, and you and I were
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talking about playoff games like, yeah, I was a part
of two. That was it. Man like one year, fifth
year into it and that's it. And so you know,
you talk about what he inherited as a franchise and
and they didn't put it all on his shoulders initially.
He just needed to make plays when he had to
and he did. And there was the second Super Bowl
where it was really him, you know, arguably the greatest play,
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the greatest single play throw and catch you will find
in a Super Bowl because that was to win it.
And how he fit that ball in there amongst it
seemed like four Arizona Cardinals defenders and Santonio Holmes catching
it and then being able to keep both the inbounds.
That sort of body control and possessed the football was incredible.
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I mean, that will never be forgotten. And what he
was able to represent in Pittsburgh for a long period
of time. This is a this is an organization that
you know, how many as Mike Tomlin had a losing season. No,
I mean think about that, Like as much as you
want to say, like that's a credit to myke time,
it's also a credit to Ben Roethlisberger. That's been his
quarterback throughout the entire thing for him. So it's it's
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been an incredible career considering how he's developed over that
period of time with all the change that Pittsburgh's had.
I mean, we can joke about Antonio Brown, the reality
is like thinking about how long that team dealt with that.
Whatever one's going on behind the scenes, there might be
that might be Hall of Fame worthy, by the way,
and I think there was there was a report out
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after Antonio Brown left Pittsburgh and somebody was saying, you
have no idea how bad it was behind the scenes
with him, Like like you have, we have no clue
just based on what we've seen it all. Now, of
course we've seen that, but yeah, I just look, if
that's the way he's going to go out, then he
goes out getting to win over Cleveland and so he's
only lost three was gonna be this by the way
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he embodies Pittsburgh. Yeah, Like there's not many quarterbacks who
get drafted the place where they go play then embody
with the way they play, their style of play, like
what that city is all about. And that's what he's been.
That's what he's done, Like that tough style of play. Uh,
you know, sometimes it was backyard football, especially early on,
but it was it was a lot of like him
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making plays, him making you know, games that looked ugly
and finding a way to make him look pretty in
the end with a win. Like he embodied that. And
that's one of those things that it's just it's so
rare to find a player that's gonna be able to
represent that for a city like Pittsburgh. Be sure to
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days at six am Eastern, three am Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio. The Antonio Brown
Saga And that was a that was a wild one.
We were all texting each other going, wait did he
actually leave the field, and then Brady throughout the Yeah,
security thought it was a fan, and I thought you
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were joking. Oh no, it turns out that was actually true.
Like security did think it was a fan that just
ran out onto the field. So the whole thing was bizarre.
But Antonio Brown and the saga surrounding it continues. Uh
and um Bruce Arians, the head coach of the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers, of course, was asked about it by the
media yesterday. Here was the back and forth. Can you
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fire a player if he won't go because he's injured?
I don't know that he was, did he did he
say that he was or was there No, he just
refused to go in or can you tell us more
about it? Not really, I mean, what happens pretty obvious
what happened. So you know, he left the field and
that was it. We had a conversation and he left
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the field. So that was a Bruce Arian just talking
about the injury aspect, because there is that side of
the equation that's come out now that Antonio Brown was injured.
Of course, Ian Rapp Report reported that yesterday morning. Uh
so now we're hearing, uh that injury would have been
a cause for Antonio Brown not wanting to go back
into a game, even though he ran off the field
and was at a basketball game on Monday night. But
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never mind all that. Brady Quinna, a B back in
the news yet again fun stuff. I think the thing
that you would be concerned by if you're the team
is trying to release him, which they haven't yet, not
officially but maybe as far as the press conferences go
and everything else, but they haven't officially released them. Um.
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The problem is if there is some sort of disagreement
on the sidelines that has to do with him not
being healthy. He's had an ankle injury. I believe he
was practiced most Thursday and Friday of that week of
the game. You know, obviously then the team's in a
bit of a rough spot. That still doesn't change what
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he did and taking off his shoulder pads and arguing
with guys in the sidelines and just bouncing and the
way he left the game. So I think the Tampa
Bay Bucks were trying to wait and see if the
NFL was gonna do anything, you know, as far as
suspending him for his actions. It doesn't appear the NFL
is gonna do a thing about it. And so now
this really falls on the Tampa Bay Bucks and what
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they want to do and if they find him or
even suspend him. Right when you get suspended, it's suspended
without pay in the NFL. He's gonna follow grievance and
all whatever was said on the sideline is gonna come
to light, and it's gonna be a he said, he
said thing. And I would imagine they'll either be a settlement,
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you know, or he might even end up having his
way where he gets back whatever moneys were would at
least be owed to him for the remainder of the season. Now,
I tend to think that this had more to do
with the fact that in that game, at the time
of his departure, he I don't know if he was
within the top five targeted risk fevers, including tight ends.
Gronk was the most targeted at that point. And he
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had incentives before that game four receptions and yards and touchdowns,
all of which accumulated to a million dollars if he
was in the final two games to hit those numbers,
which he didn't. And when you hear Tom Brady talk
about it, and just knowing the background of of Antonio Brown,
I gotta be asked with you, dude, he could be
in some serious stuff off the field and some serious
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trouble where like he might need that money, he might
need those incentives. There might be some other things going on.
I know we've talked about, you know, being delicate with
with the mental side of things, and that's true. But
there's also an element of like he might be in
trouble and there might be another reason for him acting
out or needing money for a certain reason, um, you know,
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based on how he likes to live his life. I
mean that that's real like that, that's a real concern.
You know. I spoke my piece on it yesterday, and
there have been a lot of people being very judgmental
one way or together. Right, it's the judgment of don't
don't come at this guy this way. He needs an
intervention or he needs help. There's its mental health is
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it's all those things, and you have people on the
other side of it where it would appear that he's
being piled on like, oh, he shouldn't have done it,
and this, that and the other. And again, I I
hold true to what I said yesterday. I thought it
was selfish. I thought it was was a narcissistic action.
I did not I if I had any respect, I
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lost it. As it applies to him. I could care
less about people saying that, you know, that's that's you
know you're off on that. No, I don't think I'm off.
I wouldn't want a teammate like that. And and everybody's
talking about well, you know if you hear it, you
know hearing Brady say, well, we need to, you know,
help him as much as we can, and this, that
and the other. No, you don't, no, you don't. You
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hope that that he wants to do whatever it is
he needs to do and his per senil life too,
to rid himself or help himself of how he handles things.
But make no mistake about it, that is a pattern
of behavior that that he has clearly gotten comfortable enough
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too to execute that way. Tantrum tantrum tantrum syndrome like that.
He throws temper tantrums. I have. I have a few
family members like this. They'll they'll throw they'll throw temper tantrums,
and they'll say some of the worst things that they
could ever say to you, and then they'll circle back
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around and they'll apologize. That's how they handle things. I'm
going to act out of my emotions right now, and
then I'm going to I'll come back. If anything, I'll
come back and I'll apologize for it. Like, I don't
really mean that whatever it may be. When I look
at this a b situation. If you're a doctor, I
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you know, I don't even care if you're a doctor,
because even if you're a doctor, if you're not examining
Antonio Brown. Can we please stop with CTE? Can we
please stop with with saying, you know, clinically diagnosing Antonio
Brown for his mental health issues? Can we can we
stop there? You know, because because for what it's worth,
for what it's worth, I think it's it's b s
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to do it. And here's the reason why there are
fifty three I guess it's more now. It's a few
more now, but fifty plus rosters man rosters around the league,
thirty two teams. All right, I can remember. First name
that comes off to my mind is the belcher young
fellaw that that took his own life and played for
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Kansas City. I believe at the time teammate. Okay. Mental
health has ways of showing you how bad it really is,
and and and and in these scenarios there are people
that truly, truly, truly are crying out for help. And
you know what those are the issues that that you
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pay attention to to put what Antonio Brown's behavior was
on that sideline in the realm of saying, you can't
criticize him, you shouldn't be able. Those coaches don't care
about him. The team didn't care about him. They left
him out there. The way that they did is that
you're a loser. You're your in your life, You're probably
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a loser. You're probably an excuse maker for everything that
happens in your life. And you need to take a
good look at yourself because for all these other players
that are having to deal with whatever their everyday situations,
I can guarantee you if a b is in the
situation you think he may be in Brady in terms
of he needs that money, I can guarantee you there
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is a very large percentage of guys that are playing
in the league that need the money that they're gonna
get and probably don't even have enough. And people may say, well,
how is that, Well, because they probably spent it. They
probably spent their money. There lot of people are dealing
with mental issues. In terms of baby mama's, baby mamas
are undefeated. I haven't seen I haven't seen one lose yet.
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All Right, when you look at when you look at injuries.
Injuries are undefeated. I haven't seen somebody beat it yet.
So when you're talking about all of the things that
you know guys needs support for, do you know how
many guys out there needs support? And so for all
you people that are pinpointing Antonio Brown to say he
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needs help, he needs assistance, it's mental health, it's CTE,
it's it's this, it's that, and it's the other. Name
me somebody else who needs it. Name me, somebody else,
Give me a name right off the top of your head.
You're sitting somewhere in your car, you're sitting somewhere listening
to that. You'll say, you'll hear this name somebody else
right now in the National Football League that you believe
needs the same assistance. And I can guarantee you you
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probably can't come up with a name because it only
matters to you when it matters to you. And that's
the bottom line. And in this moment to try to
justify what his actions were, it's not I I do
not I do not subscribe to it. I don't buy it,
and and and I don't I don't feel any type
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of way about having that opinion towards it, it's not
piling on. Think about all the other teammates on the
sideline and what they may be dealing with and what
what's going on in their personal life. But they choose
to have enough control and restraint and how they handle
things in their lives that you, as the public, don't
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become a part of it. When somebody makes their business
public business and you become a part of it, public
opinion is always going to be attached and associated to
what's taking place. So in this situation here, maybe he
does need mental help, maybe he does need an intervention.
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But to say that he is void or he is
not culpable for what he did wrong. To say that
that you can't criticize him for what his actions were
on the sideline wrong. For you to say that Bruce
arians in some way is culpable for this wrong. I
could keep going down the list of things that you're
wrong about as it applies to this scenario. You had
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a job to do. Do your job. You don't know
enough about talking about mental health to sit there and
say that this is exactly what it is or c
t E. And they should have been been uh more
supportive of him and handled it differently, wrong, wrong, wrong,
and wrong. Nobody knows whether or not he's got c
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t E. Uh, nobody knows whether or not he's got
serious mental issues. Here's all I know. Uh, he quit
on the Steelers during the season. Uh, he had another
meltdown no pun intended with the cryotherapy chamber with the
Raiders and then quit on them. Uh. Then he gets
to New England and he butchered that with off the
fields stuff. And then he got to Tampa Bay and
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he quit on them in the middle of the game
and threw his equipment into the crowd. And for a
guy who needs all this mental help, I mean, he
sure figured out a way to to link up his
rap song right after the game was over and on
social media and and hang out like I just at
some point, like you can you can have the discussion
about mental health or you can have the real discussion
in which we know the facts, and the facts are
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the guys quit on his team multiple times and showing
you it's him over team every single time and every
single step of the way. Sorry, don't England for thirty days.
Wasn't even that. I don't even know if it was that,
because all that stuff came out, well, no, no, no, no,
I get that. But I'm just I'm just saying, like
I would think that we'd use Bill Belichick as the
standard that like that was his shortest stint. Maybe people
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should have kind of keyed in on that. And obviously
he kept things under reps for a year at least
in Tampa before things got out of control. But the
reality is, I mean, what they're smoked. There's fire. I
mean there's not. It isn't smoking more. This is like
billowing flames. All right, this is like a burning building.
And I'm again, I'm not gonna try to diagnose or
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figure out what's going on. But the reality is is
Tampa shouldn't known what they were getting themselves into. I
think they did, probably with all the stuff that at
least was going on behind the scenes during this season
because whether it's the ankle injury or whatever, because here's
here's the hard part about the ankle injury. Can you
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can you use the ankle injury and say that's legitimate?
I mean, first it was the cry frozen feet, the helmet, like,
there's so many things throughout the course of time that
we've heard from him, and I don't know what you
can believe in any of it. Like when it came
down to it with the Raiders, it just seemed like
you don't want to be there. It wasn't about an
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injury or his feet or a helmet. He's do they
want to be there? I mean, it literally has gotten
to a point where I don't know that you can
trust whatever is said about him from an ankle, ins it, anyone,
anything else, because there's always more to the story. This
is a burning building. This isn't where there's smoked, there's flames.
This thing is already on fire. It's just a matter
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of when this thing is gonna burn down. And I
think we're to that point. We've seen the video a lot. Yeah,
we've seen it. If you have an injured ankle, I mean,
last I checked, when when I've injured my ankle to
the point of where they can't tape it up and
I can't go back into the game, I'm limping. Like,
let's be clear here, he wasn't taping at all? Was
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he not taped and not limping? Was jogging to a
t to in his mind and and Antonio Brown world
to the chairs and the love of who Antonio Brown
is as he left. As he was leaving stage, he
was jogging off of the field waving goodbye. So so again,
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let's be clear here. If it's an injury situation and
your ankle is so sore that you can't you know,
isn't isn't it? Terrell Oh? And it's funny because he
came up as a comparison to who's the bigger diva?
Then Terrell Ow was playing the game with a broken
ankle and was awesome. If your ankle is so sore,
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and I don't gauge anybody's paying thresholds, all right, I'm
not doing that, But I'm saying, if your ankle is
so sore that you can't go back into the game,
and that's the reasoning that you're using, do you really
jog off the field? Do you trot off of the field?
Do you really trot off of the field? Like, just
take that simple piece of information, because I know me,
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If if my ankle was so sore that I can't
go back into a game due to injury, that's injury.
That's not you're hurting, that's not you're in pain. That's
an injury. If you can't go back on the field,
then how are you jogging your ass off of it?
And also if he was injured, wouldn't a trainer have
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been over there talking with him at some point on
the sidelines like hey man, you can't go in the game.
What's going on? How can I help? Instead, it was
Mike Evans trying to get him to stop taking off
his shoulder pads, Tom Brady to try and get him
engaged again. O. J. Howard, so on and so forth.
It just he's full of crap. I mean, let's just
call what it is. He's full of crap. People can
can get hung up on on the mental side of
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it and have that discussion. All they want. All we
know is the guy bailed on his team mid game.
I mean, just and by the way, is he is
he still roommates with Tom Brady? I mean, how's that going?
You think? Are they still? Are they still roomed together?
I know who's staying in tom Brady's house? Is he
gonna is the rent checking a arriv Is he gonna
burn him like he did those cooks? Pad's probably so big.
I don't I don't know that he knows whether Antonio
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Brown is there. That's a good point in New York. Look,
this is all last time. This is all sub diffused
by bye, by god daing uh by Antonio Brown. He
wants he whatever it is he chose and in that moment,
why we had to dump button said, God's darn you
hit the dump button for first first of maybe maybe
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a B is the name that and maybe we need
to dump every time we say a B, you know
the but to to think about. The last two tweets
on his timeline are promoting his new song. The last
two tweets are promoting his song. So he's trying, you know.
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And somebody said it, they said it best, and I
think this is this is what it is. Right. He
did something, knowing something to get the results that he wanted.
He has not only the entire sports world talking about him,
he has the entire media world talking about him. He
is the biggest story, one of the biggest stories in media.
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Even on Tuesday, Tuesday morning, I was gonna say, this
is what this is. He's got a transition into a
new career. His new career is gonna be just being
what we saw leaving the field with the Jets. It's
gonna be a former professional athlete who's got a big
social media following, and everyone's gonna watch to see what
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he does next. So every reality TV show is gonna
get ready to have to deal with this like that.
That's that's what's gonna be casting. I promise you he's
gonna end up on some reality TV show because people
are gonna be fascinated to watch him. There's gonna be
the social media following element to where they'll think that
will impact ratings. And that's how he's gonna continue to
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keep driving an income because at this point, like what's
he gonna do, Like like what's he gonna do for
a job and all and all seriousness, And you might say, well,
he's made enough money, he should be fine, And I
keep stressing the people. You don't understand the spending habits
of professional athletes. You it was a seventy percent of
them are broke within two years of of their of
their final days playing. I mean that's not like you
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know some made up stats. It's out there. That's real.
He did Dancing with the Stars, like he's already he's
that ain't the ones I'm talking about. I'm talking about
the other stuff that's out there. So I get it.
I get it. But what I'm saying is is he
has he has been mentally strong enough to actually achieve
getting a big big shows like Dancing with the Stars. Yeah,
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think that Spencer Rattler is somewhere in Columbia, South Carolina,
hanging out getting ready to be a member of the
South Carolina Gamecox, who won the Duke's Mayo Bowl just
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a few days ago, when he sees that the guy
who replaced him in Oklahoma, Caleb Williams, is now entered
the transfer portal, and Spencer rattlers looking around, going what
the f man? I could I could have just stayed
in Norman, I could have just stayed at Oklahoma. But
here we are, Brady, another big name in the transfer portal,
and this time it's Caleb Williams, who looked like a
rock star at times during his freshman season. That's going
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on here. This is the type of scenario or it
doesn't get talked about enough because we tend to talk
about the transfer portal. We talked about where these kids
are moving all that. How often does it really work
out where it's a home run? I mean ten percent
of the time, and and and maybe and I think
I think that's the question. But you know, the funny
(32:17):
thing about Spencer Rathers, I'm sure there's a portion of
him that was like, if I would have stayed, I
would have gotten Jeff Levy, who's coming in as their
offensive coordinator. He's one of the better college offensive minds.
They will continue to put up a ton of stats,
have a ton of offensive production. Um he's showcased that
he was with Lane Kiffin at Old Miss, but there's
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a thought now that he wasn't gonna be the guy anyway,
because Dylan Gabriel, who was also in the transfer portal,
who was about ready to enroll to go to classes
at u c l A, upon hearing the news of
Caleb Williams being in the transfer portal, never never enrolled,
never went, and he's now looked at as the next
quarterback at Oklahoma, given that Jeff Levy and Dylan Gabriel
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spent time at use UCF. So I think Spencer rather
probably realized it's like, hey, look, this fan base is
gonna be excited for him. He's got his tight end
Austin Stagner there too, and and it's probably a good
opportunity for them moving forward, being a fresh start, new
place for him. But it doesn't change the fact of
what's happening in college football. Because Caleb Williams is rumored
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too well, everyone connects him to USC because of Lincoln
Riley I mean heck u c l A now has
supposed to been talking to him, which he'd fit great
in Chip Kelly system, I mean probably if I mean
not that he couldn't Lincoln Riley's, but I mean either system.
I think he'd be a good fit for what they
both coaches can do. But what you're seeing right now
is a bidding war. Caleb Williams is in the portal
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because he wants to see who's gonna give him the
most money, and n I L money that they can have.
And one of the things that it's not supposed to
happen because the universities aren't supposed to facilitate these deals,
but depending on the state law, they actually can. So
that's where we're getting to a point in college football
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where we already know the n c A is not
gonna do anything about this. The Power five and the
Group of five and or the Group of five they
need to break away from the n c A. I mean,
we're getting to a point where this is gonna only
further push their narrative for almost creating a commissioner over
all of it or a president over all of the
(34:32):
Power five or the Power five and Group of five
as to how they should operate moving forward, because it's
it's it's getting I mean, you almost have a better
free agency for college student athletes then you do for
the NFL players. If you're an NFL player and you're
a free agency, you're agreeing to most in most cases,
two three, four year deals. You get some guys who
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signed one year deals, but that's all they're signed. In college,
they do these n i l s and they can
literally take that deal and parlay it into something else
the following year if they want. I mean, so it's
it's it's like the wild wild West right now in
college football, and there needs to be some oversight or
government at some point. I mean, and the money that's
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coming from the university. There only money is the scholarship
because they're going to find a local a local car
dealer or another company that that supports the program. Spending money.
I love it every by the way, every guy know
that owns a car dealer at their richest hell, and
I'm always like, I mean, I get it. You got
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a bunch of hard assets sitting on your lot and
you can leverage that, you can move them around. But
those dudes love spending mon and they love spending it
on sports, you know, And that's that's listen. And not
only that, but with with gambling becoming more and more
prevalent and prominent as well more accepted, it's it's just
the landscape has changed dramatically. I think that is an
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amazing take you just had in terms of it being
free in the portal represents free agency now with that
whole n I L set up, so it's just never
gonna go back to how it was. It's over. You're
not putting this toothpaste back in the And and the
crazy thing about Caleb Williams is I mean you hear
that Georgia is putting in bids for I mean that's
(36:20):
what it is. Bids literally bids like, hey, here's what
we can do for you, n I L. Here's what U,
c l A or USC can do. I mean, that's
what it's really gonna come down to. I do wonder
how powerful and strong the relationship is with Lincoln, Robbie
and Caleb Williams, if that ultimately wins over, if all
things are equal, or if he's just gonna let the
money talk and that's where he's gonna So if you're
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one of these coaches, like a Kirby Smart. Do you
contact somebody local and Athens and just say you know Athens, Uh,
you know wine and brewery? Hey, how much you give me?
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debut in two Big Time, big Time. Yeah, like it
(00:27):
was a big deal. Yeah, big time, shot up the space. Um,
you know it's big time. It's Big Ben. It's not
really last night, although they did get to win, I
mean in his big time in his career. Yeah, yards completion.
I thought we're skyrocketing last night. Um, that's that's Matt
(00:48):
Canada's fault. Dude. I'm telling you that everyone's like, well,
they need to replace Big Ben at some point, you
also need to replace your o C. Alright, Stiller's fans. Now,
now you being one of the and you've reveled in
the idea of you know, knocking them out of the playoffs,
are playing well against them, and you guys beating Pittsburgh
when you watch him last night and you see I
(01:12):
came away from that game going all right, we're good here,
Like he's he's never playing anywhere else. Um, next week
will would be his last game and and it's it's
clear that this is it like that. That was my
big takeaway. I look at it and I go, this
is more like a you know, Drew Brees final game
in New Orleans. It was sort of it was closer
(01:34):
to Eli, I think, because see what you want about
Breeze at the end of their career, they were actually
going to the playoffs. You know, they were making playoff runs.
They had a team that could do it. So and
even by the way, it never looks pretty in the end,
like people tend to forget, like, yeah, Peyton won too,
But that last season he was there, he was banged up,
he was injured, he didn't he wasn't doing a whole
(01:54):
heck of a lot. It was that defense, the running game,
and him kind of, you know, being the general he was.
But it was a far cry in the Super Bowl
he won over the Bears. There was a lot of
air let out of that ball. I'll tell you that
he had a whole lot of floaters that last season.
That but and even with Eli, you know, it got
(02:16):
to a point where obviously the Giants weren't contending, they
really haven't been for the past five years, and he
was in a position where it was like his play
just wasn't that good. He had got to a point
where it was. I mean that's what usually happens. Tom
Brady's the outlier. Like we we compared these other quarterbacks
who are Hall of Fame players, and we compare them
(02:37):
to Tom, Like it's gonna work out the same way
for them. It's not, dude, like this is it's so rare.
Like I loved about when Tom hit and it was
like forties is low forties. Now he's in his mid forties.
People were like, Oh, this is gonna be every quarterback
moving on the future. No, it's not. The game is
too violent. The game is still as fast and as
(02:58):
as you know, punishing as it's ever been. It's not
gonna work out this way. Like what what Ben did
being there for eighteen years, winning two Super Bowls. I mean,
that's that's what you dream of as a sports fan.
It's really really hard to do. But he was able
to do it in one of the best organizations who
continued to build and surrounded with talent. Outside of drafting
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maybe a couple second third round quarterbacks that he wasn't
happy about. For the most part, they did everything to
build to allow him to have success. So it's a
Hall of Fame career. Um, you know, I grew up
he played a Finlay High school in Ohio and a
Dublin cop and we scrimmaged Finley, we played Finley. Um,
he was older than me, so I remember as a
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freshman going and seeing him and you'll you'll never I
don't know how many you guys know this, but he
was the receiver his entire career Finley until a senior
year because their head coaches son was the quarterback. And
obviously in retrospect, people like, what were you doing? And
the funny response for his head coach is always like, well,
(04:02):
the combination of my son to Ben at wide receiver
was better than the combination of Ben to my son
at wide receiver. So he's like, we had to at
some point like figure out how this is gonna work
and in order for us to win, like that gave
us the best chance to win at that point based
on our team, or at least that's what he says
the week. We could touch on that in a in
(04:22):
a different segment. Daddy ball is always going to exist.
But you know the interesting thing about some of the
things that you said, Brady Is, I mean you were
a number twenty two pick in the first round. I
was a number two pick in the first round. How
many playoff games did you play in? Yeah? You know
what I mean? I played in two? Two playoff games,
(04:43):
like two appearances, one as I was on injured reserve
one year and one year I played two And you
know what year I went to the to the playoffs
and played in it year year six, year six. Never
touched the play offs one time my entire career, all
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the way up until basically the end. So when you
talk about having the opportunity to come in and inherit
the type of team that Ben Roethlisberger inherited, with the
type of leadership that that was on that team, I mean,
he'll tell you about Jerome Bettis. You know guys like
Plexico Burr's were We're getting getting a little older at
(05:27):
the time. Get in there, hinds Ward right, well, him
and him in Plexico, him in Plexico are really really close.
Like Plexico was actually in Pittsburgh yesterday for for the game. Um. Yeah,
but I mean just that amount of talent and leadership
that you have, and then we won't even touch on
the defensive side of the ball, because that's just one
(05:49):
of the best defenses. It's up there that ranks up
there with the best ever in the game. And you
had the opportunity to step into that situation and and
the type of success that he had again they said,
I think they said, at best, there's no one that
that represents heinz Field is as much and embodies what
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heinz Field and what Pittsburgh embodies as much as Ben Roethlisberger,
and and the whole idea of the recency effect that
the conversations of what he looks like now versus what
he looked like when he got into the league, and
you know, he was a human battering ram is the
funny the one the one video, the viral video that
(06:31):
went out of him and warm ups and the one
quarterback was doing the shuffle from the bags and stuff
like that, and then Ben just gets hit by the
bags and he's just taking the bag and throw and
it went viral. But that was really what Ben built
his reputation on, is extending plays, guys bouncing off of him,
(06:51):
him being able to deliver the ball even and the rest.
And and that was how he handled things. I mean
his reputation um at times took hits out of you
know what some would say just being young and immature
and just growing and learning and being a superstar in
in in a football city. But he turned everything seemingly
(07:13):
into what was a win for not only his own career,
but for that city. And and there's not very many
pros that get to go out on those type of terms.
Well like, even even to Brady's point, it doesn't end
like this. Even John Elway. Everybody points to John Elway going, man,
he wanted he went out winning a super Bowl. Yeah,
that's true. He also missed multiple games that year because
(07:34):
he was banged up. His body was he was finished.
The Tom Brady is rarefied air that we're never gonna
see again asked for Roethlisberger. I mean, look, I I
just I don't know why he would. I can understand
if he's still got the itch to want it like
last night just told me man like it's over, like,
but don't mess it up right like they're the uniqueness
(07:57):
of what he represents as I think that this is
the whole point into this conversation, is him being a Pittsburgher.
I don't want to see him anywhere else. I have
no desire to see him anywhere. It's Tom Brady. I
was fascinated to see, Hey, how would this look. I
have no interest in seeing Ben Roethlisberger play anywhere. Discort right,
there was no like controversy between Ben Roethlisberger and Mike Tomlin.
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You know, you look at the situation. It became a
little interesting between Brady and Belichick and and you felt
like at some points, like, man, maybe it's healthy for
them to not be around each other at this point.
So you know, and we talked about Peyton. Peyton went
to a different team. Even even Joe Montana went to
(08:40):
a different team. Guys go to different teams. It's just
something to be said about. If you've embraced a city,
you've embodied what a city represents. The city embraces you
and you guys have that type of relationship. I think
it would be selfish to actually even go to another
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team and risk you're not gonna lose what you represent it,
but it does take a little bit of the shine
off of what you represent it being that leader for
that team for all those years, no doubt about it.
And I think the thing about Ben. That stands out
to me is, you know, just the way he kind
of grew and involved over his career. You know, we
talked about what he inherited, and you and I were
(09:23):
talking about playoff games like, yeah, I was a part
of two. That was it. Man like one year, fifth
year into it and that's it. And so you know,
you talk about what he inherited as a franchise and
and they didn't put it all on his shoulders initially.
He just needed to make plays when he had to
and he did. And there was the second Super Bowl
where it was really him, you know, arguably the greatest play,
(09:46):
the greatest single play throw and catch you will find
in a Super Bowl because that was to win it.
And how he fit that ball in there amongst it
seemed like four Arizona Cardinals defenders and Santonio Holmes catching
it and then being able to keep both the inbounds.
That sort of body control and possessed the football was incredible.
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I mean, that will never be forgotten. And what he
was able to represent in Pittsburgh for a long period
of time. This is a this is an organization that
you know, how many as Mike Tomlin had a losing season. No,
I mean think about that, Like as much as you
want to say, like that's a credit to myke time,
it's also a credit to Ben Roethlisberger. That's been his
quarterback throughout the entire thing for him. So it's it's
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been an incredible career considering how he's developed over that
period of time with all the change that Pittsburgh's had.
I mean, we can joke about Antonio Brown, the reality
is like thinking about how long that team dealt with that.
Whatever one's going on behind the scenes, there might be
that might be Hall of Fame worthy, by the way,
and I think there was there was a report out
(10:50):
after Antonio Brown left Pittsburgh and somebody was saying, you
have no idea how bad it was behind the scenes
with him, Like like you have, we have no clue
just based on what we've seen it all. Now, of
course we've seen that, but yeah, I just look, if
that's the way he's going to go out, then he
goes out getting to win over Cleveland and so he's
only lost three was gonna be this by the way
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he embodies Pittsburgh. Yeah, Like there's not many quarterbacks who
get drafted the place where they go play then embody
with the way they play, their style of play, like
what that city is all about. And that's what he's been.
That's what he's done, Like that tough style of play. Uh,
you know, sometimes it was backyard football, especially early on,
but it was it was a lot of like him
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making plays, him making you know, games that looked ugly
and finding a way to make him look pretty in
the end with a win. Like he embodied that. And
that's one of those things that it's just it's so
rare to find a player that's gonna be able to
represent that for a city like Pittsburgh. Be sure to
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Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio. The Antonio Brown
Saga And that was a that was a wild one.
We were all texting each other going, wait did he
actually leave the field, and then Brady throughout the Yeah,
security thought it was a fan, and I thought you
(12:16):
were joking. Oh no, it turns out that was actually true.
Like security did think it was a fan that just
ran out onto the field. So the whole thing was bizarre.
But Antonio Brown and the saga surrounding it continues. Uh
and um Bruce Arians, the head coach of the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers, of course, was asked about it by the
media yesterday. Here was the back and forth. Can you
(12:36):
fire a player if he won't go because he's injured?
I don't know that he was, did he did he
say that he was or was there No, he just
refused to go in or can you tell us more
about it? Not really, I mean, what happens pretty obvious
what happened. So you know, he left the field and
that was it. We had a conversation and he left
(12:56):
the field. So that was a Bruce Arian just talking
about the injury aspect, because there is that side of
the equation that's come out now that Antonio Brown was injured.
Of course, Ian Rapp Report reported that yesterday morning. Uh
so now we're hearing, uh that injury would have been
a cause for Antonio Brown not wanting to go back
into a game, even though he ran off the field
and was at a basketball game on Monday night. But
(13:18):
never mind all that. Brady Quinna, a B back in
the news yet again fun stuff. I think the thing
that you would be concerned by if you're the team
is trying to release him, which they haven't yet, not
officially but maybe as far as the press conferences go
and everything else, but they haven't officially released them. Um.
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The problem is if there is some sort of disagreement
on the sidelines that has to do with him not
being healthy. He's had an ankle injury. I believe he
was practiced most Thursday and Friday of that week of
the game. You know, obviously then the team's in a
bit of a rough spot. That still doesn't change what
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he did and taking off his shoulder pads and arguing
with guys in the sidelines and just bouncing and the
way he left the game. So I think the Tampa
Bay Bucks were trying to wait and see if the
NFL was gonna do anything, you know, as far as
suspending him for his actions. It doesn't appear the NFL
is gonna do a thing about it. And so now
this really falls on the Tampa Bay Bucks and what
(14:22):
they want to do and if they find him or
even suspend him. Right when you get suspended, it's suspended
without pay in the NFL. He's gonna follow grievance and
all whatever was said on the sideline is gonna come
to light, and it's gonna be a he said, he
said thing. And I would imagine they'll either be a settlement,
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you know, or he might even end up having his
way where he gets back whatever moneys were would at
least be owed to him for the remainder of the season. Now,
I tend to think that this had more to do
with the fact that in that game, at the time
of his departure, he I don't know if he was
within the top five targeted risk fevers, including tight ends.
Gronk was the most targeted at that point. And he
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had incentives before that game four receptions and yards and touchdowns,
all of which accumulated to a million dollars if he
was in the final two games to hit those numbers,
which he didn't. And when you hear Tom Brady talk
about it, and just knowing the background of of Antonio Brown,
I gotta be asked with you, dude, he could be
in some serious stuff off the field and some serious
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trouble where like he might need that money, he might
need those incentives. There might be some other things going on.
I know we've talked about, you know, being delicate with
with the mental side of things, and that's true. But
there's also an element of like he might be in
trouble and there might be another reason for him acting
out or needing money for a certain reason, um, you know,
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based on how he likes to live his life. I
mean that that's real like that, that's a real concern.
You know. I spoke my piece on it yesterday, and
there have been a lot of people being very judgmental
one way or together. Right, it's the judgment of don't
don't come at this guy this way. He needs an
intervention or he needs help. There's its mental health is
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it's all those things, and you have people on the
other side of it where it would appear that he's
being piled on like, oh, he shouldn't have done it,
and this, that and the other. And again, I I
hold true to what I said yesterday. I thought it
was selfish. I thought it was was a narcissistic action.
I did not I if I had any respect, I
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lost it. As it applies to him. I could care
less about people saying that, you know, that's that's you
know you're off on that. No, I don't think I'm off.
I wouldn't want a teammate like that. And and everybody's
talking about well, you know if you hear it, you
know hearing Brady say, well, we need to, you know,
help him as much as we can, and this, that
and the other. No, you don't, no, you don't. You
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hope that that he wants to do whatever it is
he needs to do and his per senil life too,
to rid himself or help himself of how he handles things.
But make no mistake about it, that is a pattern
of behavior that that he has clearly gotten comfortable enough
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too to execute that way. Tantrum tantrum tantrum syndrome like that.
He throws temper tantrums. I have. I have a few
family members like this. They'll they'll throw they'll throw temper tantrums,
and they'll say some of the worst things that they
could ever say to you, and then they'll circle back
(17:38):
around and they'll apologize. That's how they handle things. I'm
going to act out of my emotions right now, and
then I'm going to I'll come back. If anything, I'll
come back and I'll apologize for it. Like, I don't
really mean that whatever it may be. When I look
at this a b situation. If you're a doctor, I
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you know, I don't even care if you're a doctor,
because even if you're a doctor, if you're not examining
Antonio Brown. Can we please stop with CTE? Can we
please stop with with saying, you know, clinically diagnosing Antonio
Brown for his mental health issues? Can we can we
stop there? You know, because because for what it's worth,
for what it's worth, I think it's it's b s
(18:22):
to do it. And here's the reason why there are
fifty three I guess it's more now. It's a few
more now, but fifty plus rosters man rosters around the league,
thirty two teams. All right, I can remember. First name
that comes off to my mind is the belcher young
fellaw that that took his own life and played for
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Kansas City. I believe at the time teammate. Okay. Mental
health has ways of showing you how bad it really is,
and and and and in these scenarios there are people
that truly, truly, truly are crying out for help. And
you know what those are the issues that that you
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pay attention to to put what Antonio Brown's behavior was
on that sideline in the realm of saying, you can't
criticize him, you shouldn't be able. Those coaches don't care
about him. The team didn't care about him. They left
him out there. The way that they did is that
you're a loser. You're your in your life, You're probably
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a loser. You're probably an excuse maker for everything that
happens in your life. And you need to take a
good look at yourself because for all these other players
that are having to deal with whatever their everyday situations,
I can guarantee you if a b is in the
situation you think he may be in Brady in terms
of he needs that money, I can guarantee you there
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is a very large percentage of guys that are playing
in the league that need the money that they're gonna
get and probably don't even have enough. And people may say, well,
how is that, Well, because they probably spent it. They
probably spent their money. There lot of people are dealing
with mental issues. In terms of baby mama's, baby mamas
are undefeated. I haven't seen I haven't seen one lose yet.
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All Right, when you look at when you look at injuries.
Injuries are undefeated. I haven't seen somebody beat it yet.
So when you're talking about all of the things that
you know guys needs support for, do you know how
many guys out there needs support? And so for all
you people that are pinpointing Antonio Brown to say he
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needs help, he needs assistance, it's mental health, it's CTE,
it's it's this, it's that, and it's the other. Name
me somebody else who needs it. Name me, somebody else,
Give me a name right off the top of your head.
You're sitting somewhere in your car, you're sitting somewhere listening
to that. You'll say, you'll hear this name somebody else
right now in the National Football League that you believe
needs the same assistance. And I can guarantee you you
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probably can't come up with a name because it only
matters to you when it matters to you. And that's
the bottom line. And in this moment to try to
justify what his actions were, it's not I I do
not I do not subscribe to it. I don't buy it,
and and and I don't I don't feel any type
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of way about having that opinion towards it, it's not
piling on. Think about all the other teammates on the
sideline and what they may be dealing with and what
what's going on in their personal life. But they choose
to have enough control and restraint and how they handle
things in their lives that you, as the public, don't
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become a part of it. When somebody makes their business
public business and you become a part of it, public
opinion is always going to be attached and associated to
what's taking place. So in this situation here, maybe he
does need mental help, maybe he does need an intervention.
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But to say that he is void or he is
not culpable for what he did wrong. To say that
that you can't criticize him for what his actions were
on the sideline wrong. For you to say that Bruce
arians in some way is culpable for this wrong. I
could keep going down the list of things that you're
wrong about as it applies to this scenario. You had
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a job to do. Do your job. You don't know
enough about talking about mental health to sit there and
say that this is exactly what it is or c
t E. And they should have been been uh more
supportive of him and handled it differently, wrong, wrong, wrong,
and wrong. Nobody knows whether or not he's got c
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t E. Uh, nobody knows whether or not he's got
serious mental issues. Here's all I know. Uh, he quit
on the Steelers during the season. Uh, he had another
meltdown no pun intended with the cryotherapy chamber with the
Raiders and then quit on them. Uh. Then he gets
to New England and he butchered that with off the
fields stuff. And then he got to Tampa Bay and
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he quit on them in the middle of the game
and threw his equipment into the crowd. And for a
guy who needs all this mental help, I mean, he
sure figured out a way to to link up his
rap song right after the game was over and on
social media and and hang out like I just at
some point, like you can you can have the discussion
about mental health or you can have the real discussion
in which we know the facts, and the facts are
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the guys quit on his team multiple times and showing
you it's him over team every single time and every
single step of the way. Sorry, don't England for thirty days.
Wasn't even that. I don't even know if it was that,
because all that stuff came out, well, no, no, no, no,
I get that. But I'm just I'm just saying, like
I would think that we'd use Bill Belichick as the
standard that like that was his shortest stint. Maybe people
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should have kind of keyed in on that. And obviously
he kept things under reps for a year at least
in Tampa before things got out of control. But the
reality is, I mean, what they're smoked. There's fire. I
mean there's not. It isn't smoking more. This is like
billowing flames. All right, this is like a burning building.
And I'm again, I'm not gonna try to diagnose or
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figure out what's going on. But the reality is is
Tampa shouldn't known what they were getting themselves into. I
think they did, probably with all the stuff that at
least was going on behind the scenes during this season
because whether it's the ankle injury or whatever, because here's
here's the hard part about the ankle injury. Can you
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can you use the ankle injury and say that's legitimate?
I mean, first it was the cry frozen feet, the helmet, like,
there's so many things throughout the course of time that
we've heard from him, and I don't know what you
can believe in any of it. Like when it came
down to it with the Raiders, it just seemed like
you don't want to be there. It wasn't about an
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injury or his feet or a helmet. He's do they
want to be there? I mean, it literally has gotten
to a point where I don't know that you can
trust whatever is said about him from an ankle, ins it, anyone,
anything else, because there's always more to the story. This
is a burning building. This isn't where there's smoked, there's flames.
This thing is already on fire. It's just a matter
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of when this thing is gonna burn down. And I
think we're to that point. We've seen the video a lot. Yeah,
we've seen it. If you have an injured ankle, I mean,
last I checked, when when I've injured my ankle to
the point of where they can't tape it up and
I can't go back into the game, I'm limping. Like,
let's be clear here, he wasn't taping at all? Was
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he not taped and not limping? Was jogging to a
t to in his mind and and Antonio Brown world
to the chairs and the love of who Antonio Brown
is as he left. As he was leaving stage, he
was jogging off of the field waving goodbye. So so again,
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let's be clear here. If it's an injury situation and
your ankle is so sore that you can't you know,
isn't isn't it? Terrell Oh? And it's funny because he
came up as a comparison to who's the bigger diva?
Then Terrell Ow was playing the game with a broken
ankle and was awesome. If your ankle is so sore,
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and I don't gauge anybody's paying thresholds, all right, I'm
not doing that, But I'm saying, if your ankle is
so sore that you can't go back into the game,
and that's the reasoning that you're using, do you really
jog off the field? Do you trot off of the field?
Do you really trot off of the field? Like, just
take that simple piece of information, because I know me,
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If if my ankle was so sore that I can't
go back into a game due to injury, that's injury.
That's not you're hurting, that's not you're in pain. That's
an injury. If you can't go back on the field,
then how are you jogging your ass off of it?
And also if he was injured, wouldn't a trainer have
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been over there talking with him at some point on
the sidelines like hey man, you can't go in the game.
What's going on? How can I help? Instead, it was
Mike Evans trying to get him to stop taking off
his shoulder pads, Tom Brady to try and get him
engaged again. O. J. Howard, so on and so forth.
It just he's full of crap. I mean, let's just
call what it is. He's full of crap. People can
can get hung up on on the mental side of
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it and have that discussion. All they want. All we
know is the guy bailed on his team mid game.
I mean, just and by the way, is he is
he still roommates with Tom Brady? I mean, how's that going?
You think? Are they still? Are they still roomed together?
I know who's staying in tom Brady's house? Is he
gonna is the rent checking a arriv Is he gonna
burn him like he did those cooks? Pad's probably so big.
I don't I don't know that he knows whether Antonio
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Brown is there. That's a good point in New York. Look,
this is all last time. This is all sub diffused
by bye, by god daing uh by Antonio Brown. He
wants he whatever it is he chose and in that moment,
why we had to dump button said, God's darn you
hit the dump button for first first of maybe maybe
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a B is the name that and maybe we need
to dump every time we say a B, you know
the but to to think about. The last two tweets
on his timeline are promoting his new song. The last
two tweets are promoting his song. So he's trying, you know.
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And somebody said it, they said it best, and I
think this is this is what it is. Right. He
did something, knowing something to get the results that he wanted.
He has not only the entire sports world talking about him,
he has the entire media world talking about him. He
is the biggest story, one of the biggest stories in media.
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Even on Tuesday, Tuesday morning, I was gonna say, this
is what this is. He's got a transition into a
new career. His new career is gonna be just being
what we saw leaving the field with the Jets. It's
gonna be a former professional athlete who's got a big
social media following, and everyone's gonna watch to see what
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he does next. So every reality TV show is gonna
get ready to have to deal with this like that.
That's that's what's gonna be casting. I promise you he's
gonna end up on some reality TV show because people
are gonna be fascinated to watch him. There's gonna be
the social media following element to where they'll think that
will impact ratings. And that's how he's gonna continue to
(29:44):
keep driving an income because at this point, like what's
he gonna do, Like like what's he gonna do for
a job and all and all seriousness, And you might say, well,
he's made enough money, he should be fine, And I
keep stressing the people. You don't understand the spending habits
of professional athletes. You it was a seventy percent of
them are broke within two years of of their of
their final days playing. I mean that's not like you
(30:06):
know some made up stats. It's out there. That's real.
He did Dancing with the Stars, like he's already he's
that ain't the ones I'm talking about. I'm talking about
the other stuff that's out there. So I get it.
I get it. But what I'm saying is is he
has he has been mentally strong enough to actually achieve
getting a big big shows like Dancing with the Stars. Yeah,
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think that Spencer Rattler is somewhere in Columbia, South Carolina,
hanging out getting ready to be a member of the
South Carolina Gamecox, who won the Duke's Mayo Bowl just
(31:33):
a few days ago, when he sees that the guy
who replaced him in Oklahoma, Caleb Williams, is now entered
the transfer portal, and Spencer rattlers looking around, going what
the f man? I could I could have just stayed
in Norman, I could have just stayed at Oklahoma. But
here we are, Brady, another big name in the transfer portal,
and this time it's Caleb Williams, who looked like a
rock star at times during his freshman season. That's going
(31:56):
on here. This is the type of scenario or it
doesn't get talked about enough because we tend to talk
about the transfer portal. We talked about where these kids
are moving all that. How often does it really work
out where it's a home run? I mean ten percent
of the time, and and and maybe and I think
I think that's the question. But you know, the funny
(32:17):
thing about Spencer Rathers, I'm sure there's a portion of
him that was like, if I would have stayed, I
would have gotten Jeff Levy, who's coming in as their
offensive coordinator. He's one of the better college offensive minds.
They will continue to put up a ton of stats,
have a ton of offensive production. Um he's showcased that
he was with Lane Kiffin at Old Miss, but there's
(32:39):
a thought now that he wasn't gonna be the guy anyway,
because Dylan Gabriel, who was also in the transfer portal,
who was about ready to enroll to go to classes
at u c l A, upon hearing the news of
Caleb Williams being in the transfer portal, never never enrolled,
never went, and he's now looked at as the next
quarterback at Oklahoma, given that Jeff Levy and Dylan Gabriel
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spent time at use UCF. So I think Spencer rather
probably realized it's like, hey, look, this fan base is
gonna be excited for him. He's got his tight end
Austin Stagner there too, and and it's probably a good
opportunity for them moving forward, being a fresh start, new
place for him. But it doesn't change the fact of
what's happening in college football. Because Caleb Williams is rumored
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too well, everyone connects him to USC because of Lincoln
Riley I mean heck u c l A now has
supposed to been talking to him, which he'd fit great
in Chip Kelly system, I mean probably if I mean
not that he couldn't Lincoln Riley's, but I mean either system.
I think he'd be a good fit for what they
both coaches can do. But what you're seeing right now
is a bidding war. Caleb Williams is in the portal
(33:49):
because he wants to see who's gonna give him the
most money, and n I L money that they can have.
And one of the things that it's not supposed to
happen because the universities aren't supposed to facilitate these deals,
but depending on the state law, they actually can. So
that's where we're getting to a point in college football
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where we already know the n c A is not
gonna do anything about this. The Power five and the
Group of five and or the Group of five they
need to break away from the n c A. I mean,
we're getting to a point where this is gonna only
further push their narrative for almost creating a commissioner over
all of it or a president over all of the
(34:32):
Power five or the Power five and Group of five
as to how they should operate moving forward, because it's
it's it's getting I mean, you almost have a better
free agency for college student athletes then you do for
the NFL players. If you're an NFL player and you're
a free agency, you're agreeing to most in most cases,
two three, four year deals. You get some guys who
(34:54):
signed one year deals, but that's all they're signed. In college,
they do these n i l s and they can
literally take that deal and parlay it into something else
the following year if they want. I mean, so it's
it's it's like the wild wild West right now in
college football, and there needs to be some oversight or
government at some point. I mean, and the money that's
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coming from the university. There only money is the scholarship
because they're going to find a local a local car
dealer or another company that that supports the program. Spending money.
I love it every by the way, every guy know
that owns a car dealer at their richest hell, and
I'm always like, I mean, I get it. You got
(35:38):
a bunch of hard assets sitting on your lot and
you can leverage that, you can move them around. But
those dudes love spending mon and they love spending it
on sports, you know, And that's that's listen. And not
only that, but with with gambling becoming more and more
prevalent and prominent as well more accepted, it's it's just
the landscape has changed dramatically. I think that is an
(36:00):
amazing take you just had in terms of it being
free in the portal represents free agency now with that
whole n I L set up, so it's just never
gonna go back to how it was. It's over. You're
not putting this toothpaste back in the And and the
crazy thing about Caleb Williams is I mean you hear
that Georgia is putting in bids for I mean that's
(36:20):
what it is. Bids literally bids like, hey, here's what
we can do for you, n I L. Here's what U,
c l A or USC can do. I mean, that's
what it's really gonna come down to. I do wonder
how powerful and strong the relationship is with Lincoln, Robbie
and Caleb Williams, if that ultimately wins over, if all
things are equal, or if he's just gonna let the
money talk and that's where he's gonna So if you're
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one of these coaches, like a Kirby Smart. Do you
contact somebody local and Athens and just say you know Athens, Uh,
you know wine and brewery? Hey, how much you give me?
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