January 6, 2023 • 35 mins
On today’s 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington celebrate the good reports about Damar Hamlin waking up and asking about the game. Pro Football Doc, Dr. David Chao joins the guys with an expert analysis of Damar Hamlin’s condition as well how the medical staff’s saved his life. Plus, a look ahead to week 18 on Picks Against the Spread.
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Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on
Fox Sports Radio. It's the final Friday of the NFL season,
and we do have, although it's very confusing, some quote
unquote clarity on what's going to happen with the final
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weekend of the regular season moving into the playoffs. But
also as you look at what day of the week
it is, and as you're staring at the calendar and
you're getting ready for this busy weekend in the NFL,
it finally dawns on you. All right, it's a football Friday.
It's a damn football Friday. It's a damn football Friday.
Fox Sports Radio here on two pros and a cup
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of Joe. You bet your sweet acid is see what
I'm talking about there? Yeah, I don't understand it. Friday?
What the hell is happening? It is? Hey, football Friday?
Here odd two pros and a cup of Joe. And
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uh let's start off with the most important news of
the whole situation, going on to mar Hamlin and the
Buffalo Bills, as reported yesterday, showing substantial improvement, He's able
to communicate via writing do you still on a ventilator? Um?
But then they can't assess his overall health until he's
breathing on his own and able to speak. His football
future obviously that's secondary to all this, and they'll they'll
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sort through that um as he continues to improve, but
drastic improvements according to everybody involved, anybody in and around
the hospital, according to the doctors there, and so really
really good news for tomar Hamlin and most importantly the
family of tomar Hamlin, and obviously his teammates were pretty
pretty happy buddy yesterday and said coach, I mean truly incredible. Again,
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just going back to the staff that was able to,
you know, save his life out there on the field,
all the medical professionals at the hospital, Instancinnati you've been
able to help him along to this point. Uh, It's
just it's incredible. You know. We we we often throw
out a tag of like hero and we think of
them sometimes watching movies or the things, but you know,
all those involved, I mean that that really is the
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definition of a hero, being able to save someone's life.
And I thought one of the interesting things that that
came out from the news of his progress was his
communication with the doctors. And as you said, he can't
speak yet, but he he is able to write. And
one of his first questions was did we win? And
you know, their response was you know you you you won,
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you won in the game of life. But I thought
that sheds some light into the mentality of of an
NFL football player, like if you, if you, if people
out there can't understand how we are wired, Like I
don't know what else to say, Like a guy who
literally had his heart stopped beating on that field, and
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one of the first things he asked and communicates is
did we win? Um, that's how much the game means
the people you know, And and I think just the
perspective from the fact that you know, he's communicating and
still probably trying to process everything that's transpired and happened
to him at this point. And meanwhile, you know, a
few days about a week ago, right, he was probably
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thinking of himself as a world class, top of the
world athlete. I mean, when when you're playing in prime
time Monday night football, any prime time game in the NFL,
there is no other feeling than like I am one
of the top one percent in the world. As far
as an athlete and what I can do and how
powerful that feels. And then now to have so much
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questions about if he even will be able to lead
a normal life moving forward with so much still left
the head for him. I can only imagine how this
is all hitting him as he is starting to understand
what's what's what he's going through. But but I thought
that was interesting to think about. That's the first thing
he talked about with the doctors. Uh, And it's it
just goes to show you how much the game means
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to so many guys when they're out there playing, especially
when you consider that was the biggest I can't think
of a bigger Monday night football game in recent memory
like that was the showcase game between two top teams
in the a f C. Burrow Allen, all of that stuff,
and it was going to play out. I mean, everybody
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was looking forward to that game. That was the final
Monday night game of the year. And yet damn, like
halfway through the first quarter and yeah, that was the
first thought in his mind. Is pretty incredible. I'm happy
for him, you know, I'm happy for his family. I'm
I'm happy for everyone involved with with what happened with
the more and you know, again, I just I just
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love the fact that it puts things back into perspective.
It humanized football. It humanized you know, the the the
outlook or or the the perspective on who we are.
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Yeah we are the most elite athletes. Yeah we are powerful.
Yes we are different. Were certainly why you're different. But
we're still people, you know, And I think sometimes that
gets lost in in in all of this. You know
that you can see so many examples of where we
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don't look at athletes as just being people. We look
at them almost like they're aliens, and and that you know,
they're invincible, especially in football. And now some may say, no,
I think that it villainized football. It shouldn't have villainized
the game. And and that should be stated, Um, this
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was something that happened. And again I've had the conversation,
how many times can you count how many times you've
seen something like this happened to this magnitude? And I don't.
I haven't him across anyone yet who has said, you know,
I think one person said they saw it happen in
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high school. And it's it's it's a very it's a scarcity.
It's not it's not something that you're going to see
on on a regular basis. It hasn't been seen on
a regular basis. So the gravity of something as as
graphic as as that was, and as as traumatic as
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a scenario in situation as it was that played out,
I think it again. I like the fact that it
it makes things real, and it makes things real in
a way where you can appreciate the sacrifices that these
young men put forward every single time they go out
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there on the field. I think that that I hope
and and and maybe it maybe it doesn't. Maybe maybe
it's okay, he's he's getting better. It's back to business
as usual, you know, and that that's generally how society works.
But for those who risk, yeah, risk as well. But
you know, there there's the sacrifices as well that that
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are you're you're you're basically sacrificing safety, you know, um,
and and there's there's sacrifices, there's other sacrifices that go
into it as well. But you you're you one pent
are dealing with the inherent risk of of the possibilities
of what could happen when you play the game. But
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I'm just again, I'm just glad that that with with
his his now coming back to health and him fighting too,
not only with the people who helped him, with the
medical staff, but with him helping and fighting himself to
to get back, you know, get back here and and
still be here. Um, I'm I'm just I'm I'm I'm
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just in the end, I'm just glad that he you know,
that he made it, because it would be this would
be a very very tough conversation. These would be tough
conversations if if there were, you know, a different outcome.
You know, it's amazing though, even with all this positive
news that comes out and everything, you know, everyone rallying
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around a come and goal and and and a thought
that a who cares about the game, let's make sure
everybody's you know, he gets back to full health. His
family's thoughts. The donation his go fund me page, which
last check, I think it was over seven point two million.
It's probably even farther than that, which is that's crazy
considering where it was and where it's at in the
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matter of four days, right and and now we're looking
at over seven million dollars from people all over and
every walk of life, you know, fresh off the holidays
probably you know people out there that are donating five
ten dollars whatever they could. All of that is so positive,
and yet you've got members of the Bills and members
of Damar Hamlin's family who have to come out and say, hey,
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everybody leaves te Higgins alone. How is that even part
of the conversation here that people would take that play
and go, you know, let's go ahead and reverse engineer
and say none of this would happened if not for
te Higgins lowering it. You gotta be kidding me like that.
And so even in a great story like this, somebody's
got to find an angle to try and say, well,
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Tee Higgins was somewhere at fault. The fact that Josh
Allen or anybody from DeMar Hamlin's family had to come
out and and speak out against any of that and
defend te Higgins in that situation is mind blowing to me.
I don't get it. But again, that's the sewer that
is social media. That's that's social media, and to a degree,
it's humanity. You know, LeVar just talked about, you know,
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the humanizing football players. I mean, unfore the unfortunate reality
is there's always gonna be that one or two percent
of people out there who want to take advantage of
the toy drive and set up those fake accounts trying
to eve donations, or in this case, I want to
look for some way of of taking what has been
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optimistic and positive news about Damorrow Hamlin's progress and then
look back and go, well if te Higgins, I mean,
it's unbelievable, Like instead of just moving forward realizing how
rare this entire situation is all the way around, Uh,
they've got to find something to blame. Maybe that's our
problem though, as as humans or as a society, like
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we're we're always looking for something to blame instead of
moving forward and looking for solutions. Right, Like, Hey, okay,
this happened once. It doesn't happen very often. In fact,
I mean in my lifetime, I can't recall it ever happening,
at least on a football field. So how do we
prevent this from never happening again? You know, as I
said when it was first happening. Is this additional padding
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around the chest for shoulder pads? You know? Is is
it making sure that the pads fit in a proper
way that cover you would would that have stopped that?
Would that have changed anything? Um? Is there any undergarment
you could wear that would help protect it? We've got
rid protectors that you can wear. Is that could you
do something to protect your chest? Protect your heart? So
let's let's just say. I don't want to be distracted
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by that, because you're always going to have that, you know,
with the way humans operate. But it is sad to
see that still be the case. Yeah, it's pretty wild.
It's two pros and a cup of Joe. Here on
Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn Jonas knocks you here.
By the way, I want to welcome a newbi here
to the show, Fox thirteen ten in Virginia Beach, twenty
four second Fox Sports Radio coverage here. So we appreciate
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you guys and appreciate you. Yeah, come on, VARs, hang
out Virginia. Come on. My mom shouts out to the beach. Damn. Yeah.
I was just gonna say, is that what you call it?
Is like VB or Virginia what they call on Some
people call it Virginia Beach, you know. Some people say
to water area. You know, it's you know, yeah, shouts
out to the v A pop roads. I don't know
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what's in the water out there in VA, but everyone's fast.
I've never met someone in Virginia that's to really, Oh
my god. Anytime there's like an athlete player on the
team from Virginia, they're fast. I don't care. It's alignment
fastest lineman, like they don't. I don't know what it
is in the water in Virginia, but you people are fast.
You're just everyone's fast. Well, I just literally like if
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they ever like, hey, let's le's let's race, don't do it.
You'll pull a hamstring. You'll look like a fool because
they are fast. They just come out of the womb,
boy girl whatever. Everyone's fasts. That's all I know. So
you would say that from there, oh and and there
you go, perfect example. So you would say that the
GM Keith Barton, who's welcoming us on Fox thirteen ten
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of Virginia Beach, he had to bet right now over
under four point five forty yard dash over under. He's
probably right on that number right out. I'll say this
much though. He would beat Scott Shapiro and Don Martin. Wow,
I know, wow, Like I I know that's putting me
in the crossairs right now of of our bosses. But
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I could promise you this, he would he would beat
both those guys in a race. Jesus, probably you too, Jonas.
You don't have much fast twitch. Oh God, I wouldn't
blame him. I would. That would percent believable. He would
beat me. I'd blow both knee caps out and and
it'd be a problem. Yeah, You're just you move more
like a locomotive, like slow. Once you get going, you know,
than you're a force, especially downheads. It's still a lot
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more massive behind me. It's not much faster, but you've
just got a lot of force behind you. I'm telling you, man,
the things, the things you discover on this show. And
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Right now, we've got a doctor in the house, Dr
David Chow, friend of the program, former NFL team doc
for seventeen plus years, he's the official injury expert of
Fox Sports Radio. Can get him on Twitter. He's a
fantastic follow app Pro Football Doc. Good morning, Dr Chow,
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How are you morning, Doc? Good, good morning guys. It's
been a little bit. How are you doing? Happy New Year?
I guess still sort of right? Yea same to you,
and yeah, we appreciate it. Um. So, Dr Chaw, I
gotta ask you the latest news when it comes to
tomar Hamlin and just seeing that situation and how it's
played out in the progress that he has made. What
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can you tell us to kind of break it down
these steps that we should be looking for when it
comes to his recovery and what the timeline could look like. Yeah,
you know, certainly yesterday was great news and literally the
day the night had happened in game, even minutes later,
I was sort of indicating and hoping for some cautious optimism,
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and thankfully it has worked out. And that's because there's
no better place to collapse or have a heart attack
unless you're in the hospital, No better place than an
NFL field because there's two dozen medical personnel, multiple disturbulators,
oxygen medicine, card ivy supplied backboard paramedics, the whole deal,
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and the Bengals and Bills and the Bengals played a
big role because of the home staff did a fantastic
job and saving his life. And anyone who says why
they take him thirty minutes to get an ambulance and
drive off because you want to stabilize them there, because
that's the principle, that's the most important thing. Would you
rather have two dozen people up and out or the
ambulance driver and a guy in the back and maybe
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one doctor jumps in trying to deal with a bumpy
ambulance right on the way over. So they did a
great job with that. As far as this, you know
at sports andyes Central I haven't we stayed away purposely
from speculation, more about perspective and framework. Uh So, with
that in mind, the fact that he has cognitive function
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was a huge step. The fact that he communicated and
had purposeful hand movement is a huge step. And we're
hoping from afar that the nest normal processes, maybe he
can get the breathing too about and then that's sort
of the next step here. Incredible stuff he's always done,
just following you as you've continued to you know, help
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explain what's kind of going on behind the scenes and
what the protocols are and everything else. Um, You've been
a tremendous follow on social media to provide more clarity
in all of this. I think the one thing that's
not clear though, and and trying to piece together how
this all came about, is how this happened initially. I mean,
I think we've got an idea, um, at least for
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some of the things that you've communicated through Twitter talking about, um,
the initial impact to the chess, and I think that's
the speculation. But in your mind, I mean, how rare
is this? Uh? And also to that point or that question,
I guess also could there be something underlying that that
played a role in all of this? Or is is
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this just kind of one of those rare instances where
a blunt force like that to your chest can cause
this sort of event. Well, there's no question it's very rare.
But we drilled when I was head team Vision, we
drilled every training camp one time for this you know,
heart and spine thing every year, and the heart thing
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never happened for us and around the league, it hasn't
happened right yet. The league was reed prepared and teams
were prepared. We had one chain gang member and elderly
gentleman collapse. Once we treated him and he was fine,
but we didn't have to do all of the rest
of this uh stuff. And so it's very very rare.
And I will add some some once again perspective and
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framework to this situation, Brady, but I think you understand that. Look,
the fact that we can talk more freely about and
start talking about the cause and honestly talk about games
again now is just so good because in the last
couple of days, I think all you could do was
just offer prayers and hope, right because every and was
so so worried about this situation. Look, I put out
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there that there is a possibility that commercial cortis um
agitation or disruption of the heart Latin or commotion in
the heart commocio and cortis heart where electrical signals go haywire.
And this is known as you know, a little league
baseball baseball his exact right spot of the front chest
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wall at the exact right nosecond of e KG wave
and causes this disruption or a hockey puck or a
cross ball or a soccer ball. It's very unusual. It
really hasn't happened much in pro sports. Is this related
to that? Maybe it can't be the whole cause though,
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but there will be a time that we'll get a
post on this and and figured out the whole cause.
But you know, I see CNN, Wall Street, General everyone
jump in and saying this is commercial courtis Maybe it's
my fault because that first night I said, this is
one of the things that could have and but since
then we've learned that he's been intimated. Still he's had
to go prone because of lung issues. So he's clearly
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got some pulmonary issues, maybe pulmonary contusion, lung contusion, maybe
heart contusion. The most famous example of commercial courts. And
this is why I'm saying mainstream media is not correct
to say this is commercial courts and that's it in
my opinion. Now, full disclosure, you guys know, I'm an orthopedist,
right pet team position I dealt with the cardiosis intensivist
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and primary care DOX. I've talked to a lot of
other specialists about this. I'm not a cardiologist, but this
is a joint opinion of the positions that I've spoken to.
The reason why it is Chris Prong for the flyers
during the Stanley Cup playoffs, got a put to the
chest commercial courts, we suscitated, and he played two days
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later in the Stanley Cup finals and went on to
a twelve year career. Is this the same pick? Sure,
that's all I'm saying, Okay from Afar, I'm not trying
to diagnose Hamlin. I'm not trying to assign that it
wasn't at all. Commercial courts and commercial courts may have
been a part of this, but there's clearly a little
more to it, is all. And that's why I tweeted
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what I did yesterday. I stay pretty quiet. I was
really happy about the cognitive function, but I think as
the world was celebrating, I was saying, great step, let's cheer. Absolutely.
I sort of always expected his brain function to be
normal because of the super excellent, very quick action on
the field by the medical staff. But you know, they're
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so longest shoe and some other issues, and let's keep
our prayers going. That's all I'm saying that when when
a situation like this occurs, it it's so front of mine,
it's so present, and how you interpret a lot of
the things that you just said, and and giving reasoning
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on on everything that happened, and then there's always is
there going to be a knee jerk reaction? Is they're
going to be a uh calculated action? Like how do
you see moving forward? Like everybody is loing the protocol
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and how everything took place and how that was and
you mentioned just that's the perfect place too if you're
gonna have a scenario like that play out, Um, how
how do you see it from your perspective being a
part of the NFL at one point in time and
and just understanding the severities of what could possibly take place,
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Which I don't feel like that's something that's new, right,
You guys are already thinking about those things and preparing
for those things if it were to happen. Do you
see there being any type of public um way of
acknowledging it where it it's kind of I don't know,
maybe like a response to ease people's minds on on
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what football represents. Well, you know, I've always said football
is not a contact sport. Basketball is a contact sport.
Football is a collision sport, Right, That's what I've always said,
And yet this really disturbed me. I mean, if you
if you play back and go back to the silly
Twitter timeline when he real time when he was hit,
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I didn't see it as oh my god, that bad.
And when the replay came coming out of commercial um
and the way that he got up and then collapsed,
I immediately tweeted the worry is for the player. This
is heart related and there's no better place to go
down than on an NFL field. This is not concussions.
This is heart related. And I had no idea this
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was going to CPR and the whole deal and intubation
at the time, But then when that happened in terms
of reaction, like everyone's affected by this. I mean, I said,
you know a few minutes later, when you know they
were quote just laying the game, I said, I hope
to god they restart this game, because the only way
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they can get players back on the field to play
again is that somehow, behind the scenes they know to
Marhammon's going to be okay. And without that knowledge, you
guys can show me. I don't see how anyone could
have taken the field again. This was totally different than
Josh sweat this past Sunday on a spine board going up. Look,
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we worry about paralysis and the whole deal, and Ryan
Jasier incident happened in that same stadium years ago. But
we've all seen in players and you guys have all
seen people carded off on a spine board and a caller.
But you see their extremities move and you get the
thumbs up and you don't like it. It's not easy.
It's your comrade and teammate and brother. But you've seen
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that movie before, even though you don't like it at all,
it's a totally different situation for this to happen, and
we and see it on TV. Thankful, thankful to ESPN.
They did a good job. But to see someone get
CPR live and get defribritated related lives shocked live and
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it's your brother, combat and teammate is incredibly disserving. My
guess is most of your audience, percent of it, has
ever seen any CPR performed before, and that's very disconcerting.
And to just to put it in perspective, this is
a huge game. People like, we're looking forward to it
in Cincinnati, and I get that there Cincinnati people are
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really nice in the whole deal, but I don't care
if it was in New York City or Philadelphia or
any place when they canceled the game. There was no
beer throwing, there was no booing, there was nothing. It
was just silent. You know why, guys, because the people
mer sadium saw an athletic trainer straddled the mar hamlet
and start pumping on his chest. I mean, we didn't
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see it on ESPN, but they saw it. And that's
why there wasn't a sing go boo, and they said
the game's being canceled. They understood what was happening. Dr Dave,
that's a big part of it, you know. Dr David
Chow joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Get him
on Twitter at Pro Football Doc. This is two pros
and a cup of Joe here on FS are right. So,
Dr Cha, I gotta ask you the hell's going on
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with Lamar Jackson? What is the status? What is the injury?
What are we looking at here? Because now there's some
speculation that, you know, maybe he won't be ready for
the playoff game and we're over a month since the
actual injury took place. Well, look, I'm thrilled to be
talking about football, okay, and and that's awesome. Although it's
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still injuries with Lamar went down a little over a
month ago. You know, a sports and news central, we
did a live video broken it breaking into the war
room saying, that's a leftny PCL string spraining. He's not
coming back to the game, and this is a multiweek absence. Now,
best case scenario with a mild grade one PCO be
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would have been late December or slash. Now, obviously it's
not the best case scenario. We said last week he's
not playing in Week eight team, even if it's meaningful.
And I don't look, I don't know Lamar personally. I'm
not in Baltimore and out on the ground. I have
fielded a bunch of calls for media people saying, hey,
is this, you know, related to the contract? What do
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you think? How could the need be this long? I
think this is where sometimes teams inadvertently hurt the player
in the sense that they never said that this is
a great two pretty significant PCL. Instead we had the
the water drip, Oh maybe this week, not this week,
Oh maybe this week, not this week. Oh maybe this week,
not this week? Right in terms of team information, That's
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what they did last year with the ankle bone bruise,
And we said he's out for the rest of the season,
But we had four weeks of maybe this week, not
this week. Now we did the same thing, so I
think that's where the rumbling starts on. Is this related
to the con tract? Well, the same thing happened last
year with his ankle bone bruise and it wasn't related
to a contract. I don't see that this is related
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to the contract. I think it's related to the injury
and it's expected that he's not playing this week. Is
he playing for the playoff game? I believe wholeheartedly yes.
If he doesn't try and play for the playoff game,
then you can start to play the contract rumblings. Then
will he be for the playoffs game? I don't know
for sure. Now you understand if this were no offense,
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my buddy Philip rivers, he'd be playing already. Not because
he's tougher, but it doesn't move around. He's a pocket guy.
Lamar needs to move around and and and be mobile
to be effective. And it's probably part of the Railers
planning to say, look, why are we going to risk
a setback here? Uh, we want Lamar for a percent
for that wild card game or even five. We don't
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want him at sixty five and a setback. It's all
in on that playoff game at this point in time,
even if this week we're moveful. So I don't see
that conspiracy theory that this is related to the contract.
Dr David Chow former team doc for seven team plus
years in the NFL. He is official injury expert of
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Fox Sports Radio. Get him on Twitter. He's a fantastic
follow at Pro Football Doc. That's at Pro Football Doc
on Twitter. Dr Chow, we appreciate it. It was great
visiting with you, and hopefully we'll see you in Arizona
for the Super Bowl. Thanks Doc, Thank you guys. Be
sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and a
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do we stand on the season with one more to go? Well,
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a little bit of change, a little bit of a
change in the standings, A little bit of a lookback
of last week. Panthers at Bucks. Everyone correctly picked the
Bucks in that game. Yes, we also had Dolphins at
Patriots minus three. LaVar was the only one who correctly
picked the Dolphins to cover in that one. Vikings at Packers.
Brady said it as it happened. The Packers killed the Vikings.
Brady was the only one who got that one correct.
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Then we had a little bit of a college football
playoffs last week we had TCU of course versus Michigan,
and Brady again was the only one who picked TCU.
Good job, Brady. Ohio State versus Georgia. Brady and Jonas
you guys correctly picked Ohio State. So a little bit
of a change last week. Brady again with a strong
week four and one. Jonas and LaVar, you guys both
went to in three. Brady extends his lead. He's got
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a three point lead on LaVar and a five point
lead on you, Jonas. I mean, I don't even now.
This is updated. This is updated with the look back
on me getting jobbed on the Panthers Lions pick from
a couple of weeks ago. That is correct. We have
fixed those stats. LaVar lost the point, you gained a point.
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That's ridiculous. What do you think, LaVar? What do you
what do you want to do? You're not going I'm
not skip Bayless or okay, I'm not going got you Fars.
That took some That takes some discipline. That's been in
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the holster for a long time. All right, So Lee,
what do we got this week? Alright? Fellas, big week
in week eighteen. We're gonna start off with some Saturday
action battle for the a f C. Self's at Jaguars.
Jaguars are six and a half point favorites at home. Brady,
what are you thinking? Oh man, um, this is tough
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because historically Tennessee has been really good versus Jacksonville. Right,
Historically that's been the case, hasn't Derrick Henry ran all
over them? Yeah, all over everybody. I'm gonna live the
points with Jacksonville. I don't feel good about it, though.
What do you think of LaVar? Tennessee's gonna win this guy, Tennessee. Wow. Wow.
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I'm gonna take Tennessee getting the points. I love the
Jacksonville story, but I just to think Jacksonville should be
a six and a half point favorite over anybody other
than the Bears is just disgusting. So I'm gonna go
ahead and take the Titans getting six and a half
points here. We're gonna move on to Sunday action a
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f C East with the wild card spot on the
line for the Patriots. It's a winning instant area for them.
Patriots at the Bills, Bills are touchdown favorite at home
seven points. Brady, what do you think plan the points? Buffalo?
Come on? This team's playing inspired and I think that's
it's gonna be a drumming What do you think of LaVar?
Who are they playing again? Patriots at Bills? Patriots? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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I think the Patriots are going to play them tough,
you know, even though I believe that they're going to
be inspired the Bills that is, Uh. Yeah, I'm gonna
take the points on this one. I'm gonna take uh,
I'm gonna take the Patriots. Yeah, the Patriots are getting
piped in this game. Give me Buffalo and give me
the points, alright, onto, uh, let's go. Ravens at Bengals.
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Bengals are seven point favorites at home, Brady, I mean, man,
um all these seven point favorite song this isn't easy
to figure out. I don't know Baltimore. Baltimore offensively is
really struggled. It just seems like they're not the same
offense without Lamar so all the way the points here
obviously still some stuff on the line there for since
Otti too, lav I'm gonna take Cincinnati on this one.
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These rap bastards at the sports books they got us
by the balls because it's week eighteen. We don't know
who's playing, we don't know who's going to be playing
for a portion of the game. Like they're really making
this tough on us. But I'll take the Bengals right on,
all right, you guys. Rams at Seahawks. Seahawks are six
point favorites at home. Brady, what are you thinking? God?
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These are impossible. I'm telling you as well. They're just
they're big numbers. Like I'm gonna lay the points of Seattle.
I feel like I'm playing I want all chalk here,
and I feel awful about it. So probably an awful week.
I'm gonna lay the six points in Seattle at least's
got nothing to play for. How about I'm gonna take
the over on I don't give a damn, but let's les,
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I'm gonna go with Seattle on this one. I'll take
the Rams. I don't know why, but I will take
the l a Rams. Getting those points on the road, well,
you gotta make up some points yourself there, Jon last
for Packers winning in Lions at Packers at Lambeo. Packers
are five point favorites at home. What do you think of, Brady,
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I'm lating the points of Green Bay. Yeah, yeah, I'm
gonna go with green Bay as well. I'm gonna take
the Lions. Huh. Dan Campbell's hey, save this one, Lee,
want you fight this and stick it afterwards? Lions win
this game outright on Sunday? Wow? How about that better?
Not Yeah, and if they don't, I don't know, I'll
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go back and delete this whole thing. Never said it,
but you know, since you brought it up, I am
willing to host a two hour show on a Saturday here.
You know what you do that, I'm going to listen
to it too. I'm not fact I'm going to take
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Fox Sports Radio. It's the final Friday of the NFL season,
and we do have, although it's very confusing, some quote
unquote clarity on what's going to happen with the final
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weekend of the regular season moving into the playoffs. But
also as you look at what day of the week
it is, and as you're staring at the calendar and
you're getting ready for this busy weekend in the NFL,
it finally dawns on you. All right, it's a football Friday.
It's a damn football Friday. It's a damn football Friday.
Fox Sports Radio here on two pros and a cup
(00:44):
of Joe. You bet your sweet acid is see what
I'm talking about there? Yeah, I don't understand it. Friday?
What the hell is happening? It is? Hey, football Friday?
Here odd two pros and a cup of Joe. And
(01:05):
uh let's start off with the most important news of
the whole situation, going on to mar Hamlin and the
Buffalo Bills, as reported yesterday, showing substantial improvement, He's able
to communicate via writing do you still on a ventilator? Um?
But then they can't assess his overall health until he's
breathing on his own and able to speak. His football
future obviously that's secondary to all this, and they'll they'll
(01:28):
sort through that um as he continues to improve, but
drastic improvements according to everybody involved, anybody in and around
the hospital, according to the doctors there, and so really
really good news for tomar Hamlin and most importantly the
family of tomar Hamlin, and obviously his teammates were pretty
pretty happy buddy yesterday and said coach, I mean truly incredible. Again,
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just going back to the staff that was able to,
you know, save his life out there on the field,
all the medical professionals at the hospital, Instancinnati you've been
able to help him along to this point. Uh, It's
just it's incredible. You know. We we we often throw
out a tag of like hero and we think of
them sometimes watching movies or the things, but you know,
all those involved, I mean that that really is the
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definition of a hero, being able to save someone's life.
And I thought one of the interesting things that that
came out from the news of his progress was his
communication with the doctors. And as you said, he can't
speak yet, but he he is able to write. And
one of his first questions was did we win? And
you know, their response was you know you you you won,
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you won in the game of life. But I thought
that sheds some light into the mentality of of an
NFL football player, like if you, if you, if people
out there can't understand how we are wired, Like I
don't know what else to say, Like a guy who
literally had his heart stopped beating on that field, and
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one of the first things he asked and communicates is
did we win? Um, that's how much the game means
the people you know, And and I think just the
perspective from the fact that you know, he's communicating and
still probably trying to process everything that's transpired and happened
to him at this point. And meanwhile, you know, a
few days about a week ago, right, he was probably
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thinking of himself as a world class, top of the
world athlete. I mean, when when you're playing in prime
time Monday night football, any prime time game in the NFL,
there is no other feeling than like I am one
of the top one percent in the world. As far
as an athlete and what I can do and how
powerful that feels. And then now to have so much
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questions about if he even will be able to lead
a normal life moving forward with so much still left
the head for him. I can only imagine how this
is all hitting him as he is starting to understand
what's what's what he's going through. But but I thought
that was interesting to think about. That's the first thing
he talked about with the doctors. Uh, And it's it
just goes to show you how much the game means
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to so many guys when they're out there playing, especially
when you consider that was the biggest I can't think
of a bigger Monday night football game in recent memory
like that was the showcase game between two top teams
in the a f C. Burrow Allen, all of that stuff,
and it was going to play out. I mean, everybody
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was looking forward to that game. That was the final
Monday night game of the year. And yet damn, like
halfway through the first quarter and yeah, that was the
first thought in his mind. Is pretty incredible. I'm happy
for him, you know, I'm happy for his family. I'm
I'm happy for everyone involved with with what happened with
the more and you know, again, I just I just
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love the fact that it puts things back into perspective.
It humanized football. It humanized you know, the the the
outlook or or the the perspective on who we are.
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Yeah we are the most elite athletes. Yeah we are powerful.
Yes we are different. Were certainly why you're different. But
we're still people, you know, And I think sometimes that
gets lost in in in all of this. You know
that you can see so many examples of where we
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don't look at athletes as just being people. We look
at them almost like they're aliens, and and that you know,
they're invincible, especially in football. And now some may say, no,
I think that it villainized football. It shouldn't have villainized
the game. And and that should be stated, Um, this
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was something that happened. And again I've had the conversation,
how many times can you count how many times you've
seen something like this happened to this magnitude? And I don't.
I haven't him across anyone yet who has said, you know,
I think one person said they saw it happen in
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high school. And it's it's it's a very it's a scarcity.
It's not it's not something that you're going to see
on on a regular basis. It hasn't been seen on
a regular basis. So the gravity of something as as
graphic as as that was, and as as traumatic as
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a scenario in situation as it was that played out,
I think it again. I like the fact that it
it makes things real, and it makes things real in
a way where you can appreciate the sacrifices that these
young men put forward every single time they go out
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there on the field. I think that that I hope
and and and maybe it maybe it doesn't. Maybe maybe
it's okay, he's he's getting better. It's back to business
as usual, you know, and that that's generally how society works.
But for those who risk, yeah, risk as well. But
you know, there there's the sacrifices as well that that
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are you're you're you're basically sacrificing safety, you know, um,
and and there's there's sacrifices, there's other sacrifices that go
into it as well. But you you're you one pent
are dealing with the inherent risk of of the possibilities
of what could happen when you play the game. But
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I'm just again, I'm just glad that that with with
his his now coming back to health and him fighting too,
not only with the people who helped him, with the
medical staff, but with him helping and fighting himself to
to get back, you know, get back here and and
still be here. Um, I'm I'm just I'm I'm I'm
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just in the end, I'm just glad that he you know,
that he made it, because it would be this would
be a very very tough conversation. These would be tough
conversations if if there were, you know, a different outcome.
You know, it's amazing though, even with all this positive
news that comes out and everything, you know, everyone rallying
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around a come and goal and and and a thought
that a who cares about the game, let's make sure
everybody's you know, he gets back to full health. His
family's thoughts. The donation his go fund me page, which
last check, I think it was over seven point two million.
It's probably even farther than that, which is that's crazy
considering where it was and where it's at in the
(08:42):
matter of four days, right and and now we're looking
at over seven million dollars from people all over and
every walk of life, you know, fresh off the holidays
probably you know people out there that are donating five
ten dollars whatever they could. All of that is so positive,
and yet you've got members of the Bills and members
of Damar Hamlin's family who have to come out and say, hey,
(09:05):
everybody leaves te Higgins alone. How is that even part
of the conversation here that people would take that play
and go, you know, let's go ahead and reverse engineer
and say none of this would happened if not for
te Higgins lowering it. You gotta be kidding me like that.
And so even in a great story like this, somebody's
got to find an angle to try and say, well,
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Tee Higgins was somewhere at fault. The fact that Josh
Allen or anybody from DeMar Hamlin's family had to come
out and and speak out against any of that and
defend te Higgins in that situation is mind blowing to me.
I don't get it. But again, that's the sewer that
is social media. That's that's social media, and to a degree,
it's humanity. You know, LeVar just talked about, you know,
(09:45):
the humanizing football players. I mean, unfore the unfortunate reality
is there's always gonna be that one or two percent
of people out there who want to take advantage of
the toy drive and set up those fake accounts trying
to eve donations, or in this case, I want to
look for some way of of taking what has been
(10:07):
optimistic and positive news about Damorrow Hamlin's progress and then
look back and go, well if te Higgins, I mean,
it's unbelievable, Like instead of just moving forward realizing how
rare this entire situation is all the way around, Uh,
they've got to find something to blame. Maybe that's our
problem though, as as humans or as a society, like
(10:29):
we're we're always looking for something to blame instead of
moving forward and looking for solutions. Right, Like, Hey, okay,
this happened once. It doesn't happen very often. In fact,
I mean in my lifetime, I can't recall it ever happening,
at least on a football field. So how do we
prevent this from never happening again? You know, as I
said when it was first happening. Is this additional padding
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around the chest for shoulder pads? You know? Is is
it making sure that the pads fit in a proper
way that cover you would would that have stopped that?
Would that have changed anything? Um? Is there any undergarment
you could wear that would help protect it? We've got
rid protectors that you can wear. Is that could you
do something to protect your chest? Protect your heart? So
let's let's just say. I don't want to be distracted
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by that, because you're always going to have that, you know,
with the way humans operate. But it is sad to
see that still be the case. Yeah, it's pretty wild.
It's two pros and a cup of Joe. Here on
Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn Jonas knocks you here.
By the way, I want to welcome a newbi here
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(11:33):
you guys and appreciate you. Yeah, come on, VARs, hang
out Virginia. Come on. My mom shouts out to the beach. Damn. Yeah.
I was just gonna say, is that what you call it?
Is like VB or Virginia what they call on Some
people call it Virginia Beach, you know. Some people say
to water area. You know, it's you know, yeah, shouts
out to the v A pop roads. I don't know
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what's in the water out there in VA, but everyone's fast.
I've never met someone in Virginia that's to really, Oh
my god. Anytime there's like an athlete player on the
team from Virginia, they're fast. I don't care. It's alignment
fastest lineman, like they don't. I don't know what it
is in the water in Virginia, but you people are fast.
You're just everyone's fast. Well, I just literally like if
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they ever like, hey, let's le's let's race, don't do it.
You'll pull a hamstring. You'll look like a fool because
they are fast. They just come out of the womb,
boy girl whatever. Everyone's fasts. That's all I know. So
you would say that from there, oh and and there
you go, perfect example. So you would say that the
GM Keith Barton, who's welcoming us on Fox thirteen ten
(12:36):
of Virginia Beach, he had to bet right now over
under four point five forty yard dash over under. He's
probably right on that number right out. I'll say this
much though. He would beat Scott Shapiro and Don Martin. Wow,
I know, wow, Like I I know that's putting me
in the crossairs right now of of our bosses. But
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I could promise you this, he would he would beat
both those guys in a race. Jesus, probably you too, Jonas.
You don't have much fast twitch. Oh God, I wouldn't
blame him. I would. That would percent believable. He would
beat me. I'd blow both knee caps out and and
it'd be a problem. Yeah, You're just you move more
like a locomotive, like slow. Once you get going, you know,
than you're a force, especially downheads. It's still a lot
(13:19):
more massive behind me. It's not much faster, but you've
just got a lot of force behind you. I'm telling you, man,
the things, the things you discover on this show. And
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Right now, we've got a doctor in the house, Dr
David Chow, friend of the program, former NFL team doc
for seventeen plus years, he's the official injury expert of
Fox Sports Radio. Can get him on Twitter. He's a
fantastic follow app Pro Football Doc. Good morning, Dr Chow,
(14:02):
How are you morning, Doc? Good, good morning guys. It's
been a little bit. How are you doing? Happy New Year?
I guess still sort of right? Yea same to you,
and yeah, we appreciate it. Um. So, Dr Chaw, I
gotta ask you the latest news when it comes to
tomar Hamlin and just seeing that situation and how it's
played out in the progress that he has made. What
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can you tell us to kind of break it down
these steps that we should be looking for when it
comes to his recovery and what the timeline could look like. Yeah,
you know, certainly yesterday was great news and literally the
day the night had happened in game, even minutes later,
I was sort of indicating and hoping for some cautious optimism,
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and thankfully it has worked out. And that's because there's
no better place to collapse or have a heart attack
unless you're in the hospital, No better place than an
NFL field because there's two dozen medical personnel, multiple disturbulators,
oxygen medicine, card ivy supplied backboard paramedics, the whole deal,
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and the Bengals and Bills and the Bengals played a
big role because of the home staff did a fantastic
job and saving his life. And anyone who says why
they take him thirty minutes to get an ambulance and
drive off because you want to stabilize them there, because
that's the principle, that's the most important thing. Would you
rather have two dozen people up and out or the
ambulance driver and a guy in the back and maybe
(15:28):
one doctor jumps in trying to deal with a bumpy
ambulance right on the way over. So they did a
great job with that. As far as this, you know
at sports andyes Central I haven't we stayed away purposely
from speculation, more about perspective and framework. Uh So, with
that in mind, the fact that he has cognitive function
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was a huge step. The fact that he communicated and
had purposeful hand movement is a huge step. And we're
hoping from afar that the nest normal processes, maybe he
can get the breathing too about and then that's sort
of the next step here. Incredible stuff he's always done,
just following you as you've continued to you know, help
(16:12):
explain what's kind of going on behind the scenes and
what the protocols are and everything else. Um, You've been
a tremendous follow on social media to provide more clarity
in all of this. I think the one thing that's
not clear though, and and trying to piece together how
this all came about, is how this happened initially. I mean,
I think we've got an idea, um, at least for
(16:34):
some of the things that you've communicated through Twitter talking about, um,
the initial impact to the chess, and I think that's
the speculation. But in your mind, I mean, how rare
is this? Uh? And also to that point or that question,
I guess also could there be something underlying that that
played a role in all of this? Or is is
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this just kind of one of those rare instances where
a blunt force like that to your chest can cause
this sort of event. Well, there's no question it's very rare.
But we drilled when I was head team Vision, we
drilled every training camp one time for this you know,
heart and spine thing every year, and the heart thing
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never happened for us and around the league, it hasn't
happened right yet. The league was reed prepared and teams
were prepared. We had one chain gang member and elderly
gentleman collapse. Once we treated him and he was fine,
but we didn't have to do all of the rest
of this uh stuff. And so it's very very rare.
And I will add some some once again perspective and
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framework to this situation, Brady, but I think you understand that. Look,
the fact that we can talk more freely about and
start talking about the cause and honestly talk about games
again now is just so good because in the last
couple of days, I think all you could do was
just offer prayers and hope, right because every and was
so so worried about this situation. Look, I put out
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there that there is a possibility that commercial cortis um
agitation or disruption of the heart Latin or commotion in
the heart commocio and cortis heart where electrical signals go haywire.
And this is known as you know, a little league
baseball baseball his exact right spot of the front chest
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wall at the exact right nosecond of e KG wave
and causes this disruption or a hockey puck or a
cross ball or a soccer ball. It's very unusual. It
really hasn't happened much in pro sports. Is this related
to that? Maybe it can't be the whole cause though,
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but there will be a time that we'll get a
post on this and and figured out the whole cause.
But you know, I see CNN, Wall Street, General everyone
jump in and saying this is commercial courtis Maybe it's
my fault because that first night I said, this is
one of the things that could have and but since
then we've learned that he's been intimated. Still he's had
to go prone because of lung issues. So he's clearly
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got some pulmonary issues, maybe pulmonary contusion, lung contusion, maybe
heart contusion. The most famous example of commercial courts. And
this is why I'm saying mainstream media is not correct
to say this is commercial courts and that's it in
my opinion. Now, full disclosure, you guys know, I'm an orthopedist,
right pet team position I dealt with the cardiosis intensivist
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and primary care DOX. I've talked to a lot of
other specialists about this. I'm not a cardiologist, but this
is a joint opinion of the positions that I've spoken to.
The reason why it is Chris Prong for the flyers
during the Stanley Cup playoffs, got a put to the
chest commercial courts, we suscitated, and he played two days
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later in the Stanley Cup finals and went on to
a twelve year career. Is this the same pick? Sure,
that's all I'm saying, Okay from Afar, I'm not trying
to diagnose Hamlin. I'm not trying to assign that it
wasn't at all. Commercial courts and commercial courts may have
been a part of this, but there's clearly a little
more to it, is all. And that's why I tweeted
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what I did yesterday. I stay pretty quiet. I was
really happy about the cognitive function, but I think as
the world was celebrating, I was saying, great step, let's cheer. Absolutely.
I sort of always expected his brain function to be
normal because of the super excellent, very quick action on
the field by the medical staff. But you know, they're
(20:38):
so longest shoe and some other issues, and let's keep
our prayers going. That's all I'm saying that when when
a situation like this occurs, it it's so front of mine,
it's so present, and how you interpret a lot of
the things that you just said, and and giving reasoning
(20:58):
on on everything that happened, and then there's always is
there going to be a knee jerk reaction? Is they're
going to be a uh calculated action? Like how do
you see moving forward? Like everybody is loing the protocol
(21:18):
and how everything took place and how that was and
you mentioned just that's the perfect place too if you're
gonna have a scenario like that play out, Um, how
how do you see it from your perspective being a
part of the NFL at one point in time and
and just understanding the severities of what could possibly take place,
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Which I don't feel like that's something that's new, right,
You guys are already thinking about those things and preparing
for those things if it were to happen. Do you
see there being any type of public um way of
acknowledging it where it it's kind of I don't know,
maybe like a response to ease people's minds on on
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what football represents. Well, you know, I've always said football
is not a contact sport. Basketball is a contact sport.
Football is a collision sport, Right, That's what I've always said,
And yet this really disturbed me. I mean, if you
if you play back and go back to the silly
Twitter timeline when he real time when he was hit,
(22:26):
I didn't see it as oh my god, that bad.
And when the replay came coming out of commercial um
and the way that he got up and then collapsed,
I immediately tweeted the worry is for the player. This
is heart related and there's no better place to go
down than on an NFL field. This is not concussions.
This is heart related. And I had no idea this
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was going to CPR and the whole deal and intubation
at the time, But then when that happened in terms
of reaction, like everyone's affected by this. I mean, I said,
you know a few minutes later, when you know they
were quote just laying the game, I said, I hope
to god they restart this game, because the only way
(23:09):
they can get players back on the field to play
again is that somehow, behind the scenes they know to
Marhammon's going to be okay. And without that knowledge, you
guys can show me. I don't see how anyone could
have taken the field again. This was totally different than
Josh sweat this past Sunday on a spine board going up. Look,
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we worry about paralysis and the whole deal, and Ryan
Jasier incident happened in that same stadium years ago. But
we've all seen in players and you guys have all
seen people carded off on a spine board and a caller.
But you see their extremities move and you get the
thumbs up and you don't like it. It's not easy.
It's your comrade and teammate and brother. But you've seen
(23:50):
that movie before, even though you don't like it at all,
it's a totally different situation for this to happen, and
we and see it on TV. Thankful, thankful to ESPN.
They did a good job. But to see someone get
CPR live and get defribritated related lives shocked live and
(24:12):
it's your brother, combat and teammate is incredibly disserving. My
guess is most of your audience, percent of it, has
ever seen any CPR performed before, and that's very disconcerting.
And to just to put it in perspective, this is
a huge game. People like, we're looking forward to it
in Cincinnati, and I get that there Cincinnati people are
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really nice in the whole deal, but I don't care
if it was in New York City or Philadelphia or
any place when they canceled the game. There was no
beer throwing, there was no booing, there was nothing. It
was just silent. You know why, guys, because the people
mer sadium saw an athletic trainer straddled the mar hamlet
and start pumping on his chest. I mean, we didn't
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see it on ESPN, but they saw it. And that's
why there wasn't a sing go boo, and they said
the game's being canceled. They understood what was happening. Dr Dave,
that's a big part of it, you know. Dr David
Chow joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Get him
on Twitter at Pro Football Doc. This is two pros
and a cup of Joe here on FS are right. So,
Dr Cha, I gotta ask you the hell's going on
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with Lamar Jackson? What is the status? What is the injury?
What are we looking at here? Because now there's some
speculation that, you know, maybe he won't be ready for
the playoff game and we're over a month since the
actual injury took place. Well, look, I'm thrilled to be
talking about football, okay, and and that's awesome. Although it's
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still injuries with Lamar went down a little over a
month ago. You know, a sports and news central, we
did a live video broken it breaking into the war
room saying, that's a leftny PCL string spraining. He's not
coming back to the game, and this is a multiweek absence. Now,
best case scenario with a mild grade one PCO be
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would have been late December or slash. Now, obviously it's
not the best case scenario. We said last week he's
not playing in Week eight team, even if it's meaningful.
And I don't look, I don't know Lamar personally. I'm
not in Baltimore and out on the ground. I have
fielded a bunch of calls for media people saying, hey,
is this, you know, related to the contract? What do
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you think? How could the need be this long? I
think this is where sometimes teams inadvertently hurt the player
in the sense that they never said that this is
a great two pretty significant PCL. Instead we had the
the water drip, Oh maybe this week, not this week,
Oh maybe this week, not this week. Oh maybe this week,
not this week? Right in terms of team information, That's
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what they did last year with the ankle bone bruise,
And we said he's out for the rest of the season,
But we had four weeks of maybe this week, not
this week. Now we did the same thing, so I
think that's where the rumbling starts on. Is this related
to the con tract? Well, the same thing happened last
year with his ankle bone bruise and it wasn't related
to a contract. I don't see that this is related
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to the contract. I think it's related to the injury
and it's expected that he's not playing this week. Is
he playing for the playoff game? I believe wholeheartedly yes.
If he doesn't try and play for the playoff game,
then you can start to play the contract rumblings. Then
will he be for the playoffs game? I don't know
for sure. Now you understand if this were no offense,
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my buddy Philip rivers, he'd be playing already. Not because
he's tougher, but it doesn't move around. He's a pocket guy.
Lamar needs to move around and and and be mobile
to be effective. And it's probably part of the Railers
planning to say, look, why are we going to risk
a setback here? Uh, we want Lamar for a percent
for that wild card game or even five. We don't
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want him at sixty five and a setback. It's all
in on that playoff game at this point in time,
even if this week we're moveful. So I don't see
that conspiracy theory that this is related to the contract.
Dr David Chow former team doc for seven team plus
years in the NFL. He is official injury expert of
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Fox Sports Radio. Get him on Twitter. He's a fantastic
follow at Pro Football Doc. That's at Pro Football Doc
on Twitter. Dr Chow, we appreciate it. It was great
visiting with you, and hopefully we'll see you in Arizona
for the Super Bowl. Thanks Doc, Thank you guys. Be
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off and running here Week eighteen of the NFL and
our picks against the spread. So lead to lab Where
do we stand on the season with one more to go? Well,
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a little bit of change, a little bit of a
change in the standings, A little bit of a lookback
of last week. Panthers at Bucks. Everyone correctly picked the
Bucks in that game. Yes, we also had Dolphins at
Patriots minus three. LaVar was the only one who correctly
picked the Dolphins to cover in that one. Vikings at Packers.
Brady said it as it happened. The Packers killed the Vikings.
Brady was the only one who got that one correct.
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Then we had a little bit of a college football
playoffs last week we had TCU of course versus Michigan,
and Brady again was the only one who picked TCU.
Good job, Brady. Ohio State versus Georgia. Brady and Jonas
you guys correctly picked Ohio State. So a little bit
of a change last week. Brady again with a strong
week four and one. Jonas and LaVar, you guys both
went to in three. Brady extends his lead. He's got
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a three point lead on LaVar and a five point
lead on you, Jonas. I mean, I don't even now.
This is updated. This is updated with the look back
on me getting jobbed on the Panthers Lions pick from
a couple of weeks ago. That is correct. We have
fixed those stats. LaVar lost the point, you gained a point.
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That's ridiculous. What do you think, LaVar? What do you
what do you want to do? You're not going I'm
not skip Bayless or okay, I'm not going got you Fars.
That took some That takes some discipline. That's been in
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the holster for a long time. All right, So Lee,
what do we got this week? Alright? Fellas, big week
in week eighteen. We're gonna start off with some Saturday
action battle for the a f C. Self's at Jaguars.
Jaguars are six and a half point favorites at home. Brady,
what are you thinking? Oh man, um, this is tough
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because historically Tennessee has been really good versus Jacksonville. Right,
Historically that's been the case, hasn't Derrick Henry ran all
over them? Yeah, all over everybody. I'm gonna live the
points with Jacksonville. I don't feel good about it, though.
What do you think of LaVar? Tennessee's gonna win this guy, Tennessee. Wow. Wow.
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I'm gonna take Tennessee getting the points. I love the
Jacksonville story, but I just to think Jacksonville should be
a six and a half point favorite over anybody other
than the Bears is just disgusting. So I'm gonna go
ahead and take the Titans getting six and a half
points here. We're gonna move on to Sunday action a
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f C East with the wild card spot on the
line for the Patriots. It's a winning instant area for them.
Patriots at the Bills, Bills are touchdown favorite at home
seven points. Brady, what do you think plan the points? Buffalo?
Come on? This team's playing inspired and I think that's
it's gonna be a drumming What do you think of LaVar?
Who are they playing again? Patriots at Bills? Patriots? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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I think the Patriots are going to play them tough,
you know, even though I believe that they're going to
be inspired the Bills that is, Uh. Yeah, I'm gonna
take the points on this one. I'm gonna take uh,
I'm gonna take the Patriots. Yeah, the Patriots are getting
piped in this game. Give me Buffalo and give me
the points, alright, onto, uh, let's go. Ravens at Bengals.
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Bengals are seven point favorites at home, Brady, I mean, man,
um all these seven point favorite song this isn't easy
to figure out. I don't know Baltimore. Baltimore offensively is
really struggled. It just seems like they're not the same
offense without Lamar so all the way the points here
obviously still some stuff on the line there for since
Otti too, lav I'm gonna take Cincinnati on this one.
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These rap bastards at the sports books they got us
by the balls because it's week eighteen. We don't know
who's playing, we don't know who's going to be playing
for a portion of the game. Like they're really making
this tough on us. But I'll take the Bengals right on,
all right, you guys. Rams at Seahawks. Seahawks are six
point favorites at home. Brady, what are you thinking? God?
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These are impossible. I'm telling you as well. They're just
they're big numbers. Like I'm gonna lay the points of Seattle.
I feel like I'm playing I want all chalk here,
and I feel awful about it. So probably an awful week.
I'm gonna lay the six points in Seattle at least's
got nothing to play for. How about I'm gonna take
the over on I don't give a damn, but let's les,
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I'm gonna go with Seattle on this one. I'll take
the Rams. I don't know why, but I will take
the l a Rams. Getting those points on the road, well,
you gotta make up some points yourself there, Jon last
for Packers winning in Lions at Packers at Lambeo. Packers
are five point favorites at home. What do you think of, Brady,
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I'm lating the points of Green Bay. Yeah, yeah, I'm
gonna go with green Bay as well. I'm gonna take
the Lions. Huh. Dan Campbell's hey, save this one, Lee,
want you fight this and stick it afterwards? Lions win
this game outright on Sunday? Wow? How about that better?
Not Yeah, and if they don't, I don't know, I'll
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