January 27, 2022 • 43 mins
Thursday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington react to the Broncos finalizing a deal for Packers OC Nathaniel Hackett and wonder if it foreshadows a blockbuster trade for Aaron Rodgers. Senior NFL Reporter Albert Breer weighs in on that and the offseason for Jimmy G, Tom Brady and Deshaun Watson. Plus, what John Mara's comments about Daniel Jones and Deshaun Watson mean for Russell Wilson.
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Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar Areas, Brady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on
Fox Sports Radio. The breaking news that just came down
in the NFL. Tom Pellicero of the NFL Network reports
that the Broncos are finalizing a deal with Packers offensive
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coordinator Nathaniel Hackett to make him their new head quote
head coach, per sources. He said contract talks heated up
Wednesday night. The Jags planned to interview Hacket again today instead,
Denver Lands its top choice. So there it is. Round
of applause. Brady Quinn called this last week or the
week before. You see some of us here build each
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other up and others don't. But it is Uh. Nathaniel Hackett,
the offensive coordinator the Packers, is now in Denver as
their head coach. The first head coach off the board
in the NFL. So there's that. Feels like the stars
are aligning. I do feel like this would be the
domino effect to for coaches being hired in the NFL.
I think Brian Dables up next. Uh. It sounds like
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things are heating up for him in Miami. Byron Leftwich,
things are heating up with the Jacksonville Jaguars. Um, you know,
the Bears are still going through, you know, their interview process.
The Vikings clearly wanted to hire a general manager before
they hired their head coach, so I think that will
come at some point. But it's it's been interesting, you know,
it's been interesting how and I think Jonas you brought
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this up yesterday, it's been a little more patient process
than I think what we're accustomed to. You know, there's
been times where there's been coaches or assistants on staffs
that are still playing that you know, they were the worst.
It was the worst kept secret out there, right Kyle
Shanahan to the forty Niners was one of the worst
kept secrets. And you know, I understand the reasoning for,
you know why, you obviously can't hire the guy before
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you know he's actually done coaching for the team he's with,
especially if they're still playing. But in this case, UM,
it's been a slower process. Maybe that's good too, casting
a wider net for some of these ordizations. The reality
is this could very well be the domino effect that
starts the hiring process for a bunch of other teams.
Out there. But I also think it sets up the
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potential for something else to occur in the future future.
What do you think that might be? Think there could
be a potential quarterback move. Well, I'm just I'm saying,
if you are Aaron Rodgers right now and you're contemplating
a bunch of things, you know, trying to figure out
what the Packers are going to do. And again, this
is something we talked about yesterday, LaVar. And one of
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the things about, like, separate from Aaron Rodgers decision of
what he wants to do, this is there's probably no
better time for the Packers to rebuild. I mean, given
their cap situation and something that I've listened to some say, well,
if you just cut Preston Smith's to Darius Smith. Okay,
but those are some really good does that help you?
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And then you and and even in that light, you
still have to extend Rashan Gary, you still have to
extend jaros Ander. That doesn't like they're forty four million
over the cap, and that doesn't include whatever you do
with Davonte Adams. So it really could be more than that,
depending on his franchise tag number, which I think the
projection I saw was twenty million. So if that's the
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case that you're at sixty four now, I mean, and
you can send him to a long term extension if
he wanted to do that. But there's a lot of
questions about what Davanta Adams wants to do, amongst what
Aaron Rodgers is gonna do. Never be able to bring
him in well, I mean, that's that's for another conversation.
I think there'd have to be a lot of moving
parts in order for that to happen. But if you
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could trade both Adams and Rogers to the Broncos, I
mean you're talking about there would have to be players
in exchange for that. There would be a boatload of
draft picks. And but I think the only thing that
works in your favor if you're denver of not having
to mortgage too much of your future, is you know,
they could say to Rogers, look, he's he's not a
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one year heal or at the package. Excuse me, he's
not a one year deal. It's always got left on
his contract. And he's thirty one. Yeah, so so he's
at an age where it's like, we don't know how
much longer he's gonna play. So we can't give you
as much as you want for him. Now, Adams is
a different story, Davante, Adams could warrant a lot, even
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though we have seen wide receivers, you know, not go
for quite as much as we thought at times. Right,
Diggs went for what a first, A second, like I
don't know, a third and fifth? I mean there was
a contract? What is his contract? How many? How many
years does he have? He's restrict so they can't they
can't well, I mean so they wouldn't be able to
trade him? Then? Well, no, the thought would be you
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tag him and so at a minimum, it gives you
at least one more year with him if you can't
work out, you know, during that period of time, a
long term extension, but at least you have control. So
let me ask you this. If they tagged him, what
the value of what green Bay would be asking for
exceed what that that that averages of what he would
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get on that franchise tag? Yeah, well he would get
more annually than that, right because I'll probably get what
I'm saying. What I'm saying is for green Bay, would
it make sense to match to match the offer? Right?
Because of unless they restrict him right, if they restrict,
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they help me educate me on it, because he will
receive the exclusive franchise tag, so there will not be
anyone else you can match, that can match the offer.
You know, his recourse would be. I could say, I'm
not like Levian Bell, I'm not gonna show up, I'm
not gonna play for you. But then, now again, for Denver,
does that exceed what they would be able to provide
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to get him, Because if they provided that, then you
gotta perceivably think that if it's time for green Bay
to make a do a rebuild, well, what would be
better than to say, all right, we're gonna lose Davante anyway.
If we're going to lose him, and we're going to
lose Aaron, let's get as much out of Denver as
we possibly can and then we can justify a rebuild.
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We could get a couple of good players in exchange.
We could get some some good draft pick choices. I
mean with that that that would seem to be feasible
if that is indeed the case. See, but I don't
know what's why would Denver trade for Davante Adams if
he's going to be a free agent. I mean, if
if green Bay and I don't think it, but I understand,
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but I think that you could get Aaron Rodgers if
you just made up if you were going to sign
Davanta Adams, if green Bay was gonna let him walk,
because it doesn't make sense for green Bay to to
franchise tag Davante Adams or give him a big time contract.
If Aaron Rodgers is leaving, why would you commit that
much money when you already get cap problems because you
still have a quarterback. First off, signing them to an
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extension actually helps your cap because you've got creative ways
and you always hear the phrase cash over cap. As
long as you put a good portion of that into
the signing bonus, you can reduce and especially if you
back you know, back end load the contract, you can
reduce a lot of what their salary cap issues are
here in the short term. Now you're kind of kicking
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the can down the road, but you know, you also
could move on from the player at that point if
he doesn't isn't developing the chemistry at Jordan's Love, or
he's not the same play without Aaron Rodgers, right, So
actually giving him an extension would help their cap situation
because of how they could structure it to reduce the number.
Where you know, if he's under the franchise tag, he
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counts twenty million against the cap, that number goes up
to four as we talked about, but you could structure
in a manner in which he might only have ten
or twelve that hit the cap. So in theory, you're
actually reducing the amount that would be hitting the cap
as opposed to franchise tagging him by extending him in
this instance, I mean that division. And let's just say
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let's say the Raiders want to make a move, all right,
and say the Raiders are looking around, going all right,
we want to move on from Air car Um. We
want to make a move, and say they you know,
one of the teams that was on Russell Wilson's list
was the Raiders from last year. Could you imagine a division,
And it's not that far fetched to think Mahomes justin
Herbert Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson in the same division.
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That's not that far fetched that that that has a
legitimate possibility of happening. That's going to be a fun
division to watch. And so if you follow the trail
here and Nathaniel Hackett getting this opportunity uh to to
take over in Denver. Him and Aaron Rodgers are close,
you know, they'd like to work together. This just feels
like the perfect match that something would get done. And
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Denver's got a top ten pick they can part with
and whatever else they can because look, I know album
got this year. Yeah, so I would imagine a couple
of those are going back to Green Bay this gets done,
you know, I mean, and they were the favorite to
to land Aaron Rodgers outside of yes. Yeah. So, but
like I said before, I think it has to do
a little bit with if you just look at the
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situation for the Packers, there's probably not a cleaner time
to say, all right, let's start over and rebuild, all right,
like you didn't make it back to the NFC Championship
Game or Super Bowl. With Aaron, it's at a time
in his career where he's got a year left, he's
coming off in and be back to back m v
P seasons. What else can you trade him and get
as much for him? I mean, he's he's only gonna
be another year older if you hang onto him for
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another year, and that and in that case though, he'd be,
you know, going to be a free agent. But I
think the hard part with that is is you've already
spent two years not having really much of a clue
what Jordan loved Canner will be. I mean, there was
an idea, and we talked about this yesterday, you know,
it being floated out that they want to extend Aaron
Rodgers two more years. Well, what the heck are you
doing with Jordan Love then? Because at that point in time,
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if you're extending him, you're expecting him to be there
and play, and so you're essentially walking into a player
who's got a four year deal with the fifth year
option that's fully guaranteed that you've got to make a
decision on, you know, at some point after year three,
how much a value does he have? What if he
was an option to put on the trade. But I
don't think there's any I mean, what you'd say, as
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you'd say, okay, what's Jordan's love in this quarterback draft class?
Would you rather have Jordan's love or do you rather
have one of these quarterbacks? And that's where maybe there's
a thought or value to you know, what you could
get for Jordan Love people. I wouldn't. I wouldn't put
him in. I mean, his last year was bad in
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college football. Now he's got a couple of years of
seasoning now and that might you know, change how teams
look at him. But you had to go back to,
you know, is what was it? I believe it's a
software here because he came out early. I mean, it's
it's it. That's the hard thing is film wise, Kenny
Pickett's got the best tape. So I still wouldn't put
you know, him ahead of Kenny Pickett. But again, that's
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that's all. That's assuming. That's well, that's assuming too that
Brian guten Coast is willing to say, hey, I made
a bad mistake. I thought Aaron Rodgers, you know, couldn't
play the m v P level. Clearly he can, Like
I don't know, I mean, as a general manager gonna
do that maybe, I mean, I'm just I'm looking at it.
If this is the time for a rebuild, and well,
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and in theory, if it's time for rebuild, then you
do try to move on from from Aaron Rodgers. I
mean just hot. But but they've come up short too,
by the way. I mean, whether you're looking at it
from what what's next with without Aaron Rodgers. I mean,
you've only been good enough to make it too, which
is good, I mean, which is great, honestly, but you
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haven't won the super Bowl. You know. Like they get
outsted in their first round this year, which is the
it was a divisional round, but then they lose in
the Visional Championship the year before. I mean, they're coming
up short. It's not like it's not like, uh, a
Tom Brady scenario where you have the recency effect of saying, Okay,
you're looking at it, and they're they're not too far
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fresh off of getting a super Bowl. You know, they
keep coming up short anyway, so maybe it is time
to do a rebuild. It's not going to be pretty.
I'll tell you that they're going to go further away
from where they are right now. They're they're closer to
winning a super Bowl than they they would be to
me if they got rid of Tom Brady. Excuse me,
Aaron Rodgers, but it feels like they're similar to New
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Orleans where look the windows. Probably yeah, I mean, and
that's where New Orleans finds himself, and probably New Orleans
is in a worst cap situation. That's not the window anymore.
They're they're not even in the vehicle like that. That
and they don't have their head coach. Yeh. By the way,
Drew Brees crippled their cap and then got paid bougoo
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bucks from NBC to take that gig. So but you know, listen,
it's all good. He got a piece of notebook paper
with you know, their yards record on it for Monday
Night football, so he's fine. Everything's fine with Drew Brees.
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Right now, we turn it over to Albert Breer, senior
NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the mm QB. You
can get him on Twitter at Albert Brier. Albert, how's
everything going, Welcome to your Thursday morning. What's happening? Well,
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you know, we talked about whether earlier in the year
and how I like to fall. Um, I'm looking at
a single digit on my dashboard right now, and I
think and I think, I think that the wind show
is under zero, but I can't confirm that. Yeah, you, Albert, Albert,
where are you going? We always feel like you're in
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your car when you're talking to us, like, where are
you going? Right now? I am, well, because it's chaos.
I talked to you guys so early in the morning.
It's chaos in my house. So it's easier for me
to just get in the car and drive around namelessly
for fifteen minutes. And you know what I mean. I
guess you guys don't want to hear the dog barking
or the kids yelling. This is much better, right, So
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you're like Buddy from a bachelor weekend bachelor party, you know,
when he goes out to the car for his his
his private time with his phone. That's that's that's how
it works. Yeah, basically said a little different, but all right,
maybe a tap. So Albert, the Broncos make the move.
They hired Nathaniel Hacke at the offensive coordinator of the
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Green Bay Packers that just went down about five minutes ago. Um,
so I gotta ask you how much of this has
to do with Um, you know, the potential of Aaron
Rodgers being out there for the taking. This has I
mean their interest. You know, obviously they went through a process,
um to get him, but this has been rumored guys
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for I mean, I'm I'm saying going on three months
that they would make a run at hack It and
that they were and that that would relate directly to
the availability. And there's the beeping, So I'm sorry about that.
I had had. I had to buckle my seatbelt. We're
up to a flying They always got to make the
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seatbelt notification the most annoying sound in the world. Um. Yeah, No,
I mean I think this goes back like two or
three months, and um, you know, they had been digging
on him for a while. And yeah, I mean, I
think a big part of it, if we're being realistic
about it, is that they are planning to load up
for a run at Aaron Rodgers. And I actually think
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like the Broncos elimination or the Packers elimination from the
playoffs makes it more likely that Aaron Rodgers will be available.
And you know, I think that that sort of added
to all of this. It allows them to hire Hacking
earlier and it means that maybe going after Rogers is
a little bit more realistic. And if you look at
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where they are, guys and and then Brady, I know
you are in Denver around that time. Um, the bron
does feel like right now there where they were in
two thousand and twelve, where they've got some really nice
core pieces where if you drop a veteran quarterback like
a Peyton Manning or liking Aaron Rodgers into it, the
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thing could really take off without a Davante Adams. I mean,
is that it just makes sense to say without I
mean they couldn't. They could go get him. But I
mean it's not like they're short on receivers right now.
I mean they got they Courtland Sutton, Tim Patrick, kJ
Hamil Yeah, I mean Jerry Judy. They've got like really
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good depth there. They've got no offense tight end. Javante
Williams looked really good as a rookie running back. Um,
there are a lot of pieces in place, Like I
I don't know that it's all that different than where
they were with Damarius Thomas and Julius Thomas and um
and Eric Decker back in two thousand and twelve. It
feels a little similar to that where you've got some
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young guys who may be haven't put it all together
yet but have shown a lot of potential. Albert I
look at it, and obviously we we've talked about the
correlation to Denver and all that, but I want to
talk about the hiring process that this I said this earlier.
I think this is like the domino effect. Nathaniel Hackett
maybe he'll be the first to get inked. Is this
gonna cause some other teams though, to to move a
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little quicker? I know Byron Leftwich supposedly is get a
lot of tracks in Jacksonville. I'm here and seen reports
about Brian Dable where the Dolphins and conversations with that's
really heating up. Do you think we're gonna start seeing
a bunch of hires taking place now that if Nathaniel
Hackett's to be in the first Yeah, and you know,
I think Bretty there isn't. It's not a deadline, but
I think it is worth considering that the Senior Bowls
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next week, um, and that has almost turned in like
a coaching convention, and so you know, in a lot
of cases, new coaches will go there and they'll meet
with assistant coaches from other teams and they'll you know,
finalize their staffs and obviously that's where a lot of
the work you do towards the rafts starts to pick up.
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And so you know, I I don't think it's like
a must that you have your head coach in place
before um Senior Bowl week, but you know, I do
think it's sort of a checkpoint in the calendar. And so,
you know, I think everybody's waiting for the first domino
to fall, and I think most people thought the first
domino to fall would be dan Quinn because the Broncos
had really sort of focused the early parts of their
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search on dan Quinn. Now that they've hired to Daniel Hackett,
you know, now I think the next question becomes, does
dan Quinn go to Chicago or New York? Does Brian
Dave All go to New York or Miami? Um? And
I think that there are sort of some moving parts there,
and UM, it's gonna be interesting to see because I think,
you know, a couple of these places have two guys
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in mind, you know, like like the Giants, you know,
they could go dan Quinn, Brian dave Ball, the Dolphins
they could go Brian Dave Ball, Vance Joseph the Bears,
they could go Matt ebra Flew, Dan Quinn. So you know,
I think you see sort of the interplay there where
you know, one guy making a decision could sort of
streamline the search for other teams. Albert Brier joining us
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here Fox Sports Radio, senior NFL reporter at the m
m QB. Get him on Twitter at Albert Brier all
right to say, I gave you a hundred dollars and
you just kept on driving. And he said, screw it, honey,
you take care of whatever you need to take care
of at home. I gotta go place a wager. I
gotta find I gotta find the place to go where
I can get in touch with draft Kings and place
a wager a hundred dollars. Who's going to be the
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next coach hired? If you had to bet right now,
gut feeling or based on some of your sourcing, who's
the next guy to go on? Where does he go? Um?
I mean, I sort of that's tough because I think
Quinn could get hired by the Bears. Um. I think
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you know, if Brian Dabo could get hired by the Bills,
but you know by the Giants, by the Giant. Y
been hired by the Bills. Yeah, by the Giant. But
the Giants are talking to Brian Brian Flores today and
say Flora's blows them away. Well than that could change
the dynamic there. So like I just you know, I
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think it's kind of it's it's sort of like the
next one to come off the market. I think could
set off some dominoes because that will take an option
from away from everybody else. So, like I said, I
think there are like multiple guys in a couple of
these places. If you if you, if you ask me
right now a gut into my head, who's the next
higher I'd say it's Chicago hiring either mattiebor looser, Dan
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Quinn h a B. I want to switch to to
the games that are coming up, uh in the quarterback
situation with this San Francisco forty Niners have seemingly come
out of nowhere and possibly could could be considered maybe
the hottest team and in the playoffs right now, What
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does this do for Garoppolo? If if they're able to
win this game this weekend and make another appearance in
the Super Bowl, it probably makes it a little awkward.
I mean, because you know, now, what do you do? Um.
I still think they probably turned the tray Lands, But
I think it makes it, you know, it just changes
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the dynamic a little bit. And you have the whole
idea of the Niners, of what the Niners did last
year and trading up for tray Lands and then keeping
Jimmy Garoppolo at four million dollars, was we really feel
like we do need to raise the ceiling a quarterback,
but at the same time, like we don't feel like
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we're in any sort of rebuilding position, like we've got
veterans on this team. And to be fair to the
Trent Williams, to the uh Devo Samuels, to the Nick
Bo says Um, to the Fred Warners, to those guys
on our team who have put the team in position
to compete for a championship, we can't just roll a
rookie quarterback out there. And so, you know, this is
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always sort of part of the plan was that Jimmy
Garoppolo is gonna put him in a place to contend
in one, and Trey Lance was gonna raise their ceiling
in two and thereafter. Now I think it's the Super Bowl.
I think they still probably want to stick to the
plan and turn to Trey Lance in twenty two. Um,
but I think it gets a little bit more awkward.
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And I would say this too, it definitely would help
them from a trade value standpoint, and that like if
you say, to Carolina Panthers, you can probably sell Jimmy
Garoppolo a little bit easier to your fan base if
you strike out on it Deshaun Watson or Russell Wilson,
ern Aaron Rodgers and so you know, I think they
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probably still moved Jimmy Garoppolo. Um, but you know, I
think it becomes a little bit harder because of what
it might mean inside your locker room, where you got
a guy who just took you to the Super Bowl.
Now you're turning around and trading him. Albert Bridge joining
us here on Fox Sports Trade you know, m m QB,
senior NFL reporter with us here on FSR. All right,
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you've covered um, Tom Brady for a lot of her
I would say, probably all of his career, at least
a good chunk of his career, obviously being up there
in the Northeast, and now we're hearing the reports and
well maybe this is it. And Gronk is saying, well,
if they asked me right now whether or not I
was going to retire, I would say I'm gonna retire.
But the season just ended. What feels different about this
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retirement speculation as opposed to some of the others that
you've covered in your career, it's the way that he's talking. Um,
you know, I I don't think we've really heard Tom
Brady talk this way before, you know. I like, if
you look in the past, it's almost always like I'm
not ready to give it up. I still feel like
I've got a lot left. And if you listen to
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what he said on that podcast with Jim Gray the
other night, that doesn't sound the same, you know what
I mean, Like that sounds like somebody who was really
contemplating things. And you know, I've always remember I always
remember here in this about pro athletes, and um, you know,
Brady LaVar right, Like, I'd love to hear your opinion
on this. You always hear that like when an athlete
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starts to talk about retiring, he actually probably already is retired,
you know, and he's already kind of crossed that line
into all right, like I'm ready to do this. I'm
ready to walk away. Um. I don't know that that's
necessarily the case with Brady, but I think it's definitely
something to consider here. And you know, I think ultimately
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his family, like that part of it's really important to him.
He's got a son who lives up in New York
who I believe is going to be going into high
school in the fall. Um, and that's a real consideration
for him. Um. I think he'll like he'll wind up
playing one more year. But I don't think that that's
a hundred percent. I think it's probably I mean, at
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this point, maybe like if you ask me, like like
I would say, it's like he comes back, Like I
do think he's genuinely torn about it. Uh, you know,
But I mean the one thing I think you always
I think the one thing about Brady like like I know,
he's not one of these guys who hates the process
of it, you know what I mean, Like most athletes
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walk away not because they hate Sunday because they start
to get tired of Monday through Saturday. Brady loves every
part of it, you know. And I think he thinks
he can still play and sure looks to me like
you can still play um. And I think he also
knows that when he walks away, this isn't golf like,
he's not going to be able to get back and
you know and play play, play the sport again. Um.
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When it's gone, it's gone. And so I think for
that reason, probably comes to some sort of agreement with
his family with the Bucks and comes back from one
more year. I want to ask you in regards to
John Mara's comments about Deshaun Watson. I was thinking what
I was listening to him saying this and why Deshaun
Watson wouldn't be a fit for the Giants. Is John
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Marra putting more pressure on other owners? I mean, no
one's been a public and speaking about Deshaun Watson and
whether or not they would be open to to looking
for a guy like that or trying to trade or
acquire him. I mean, if a guy like David Tepper
got ultra aggressive in Carolina went after him, does it
kind of reflect poorly upon him then? Because of what
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John Marris already put out there. Yeah, Brady, it's a
really interesting perspective. I hadn't heard that, hum, but I
think you're right, Like, I think it's um, you know,
the fact that he was so forceful about it, you know,
like I'm not like, we're not going to do this,
like that the New York Giants will not do this. Um.
You know, I think it certainly brings some perspective to
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the situation, you know, in the seriousness of, um, you
know what what Deshaun Watson's being accused of. And you know,
like I think like and look, I'm guilty of it too,
Like we all sort of like it's been a while since,
you know, that's been a front for thing, and so like,
you know, sometimes we we've we've talked about him strictly
(26:58):
in football terms, and you know, we do like kind
of forget or maybe you know, unintentionally downplay the seriousness
of what he's being accused of. And I think like
the way John Marrage drove home that point trying of
I think underscores what every team, whatevery GM, every head
coach who wants to pursue Deshaun Watson is probably gonna
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be up against now, is that this is one of
those things that's going to require sign off from ownership.
Because the minute to Shaun Watson walks into your building, guys,
he is the face of your franchise, and um, you know,
I think even after the cases get settled, and I
do think that there's going to be some sort of
settlement over the next couple of weeks to help facilitate
(27:43):
a trade and allowed Deshaun to work to move forward
this football future. You know, the minute like he lands
on one of these teams, Like, the first thing that's
gonna happen is those questions are gonna come up and
that's gonna reflect on ownership. So I certainly think he
other owners something to consider, Brady, and I think, um yeah.
(28:04):
He also illustrated the challenge for those gms and coaches
that might want to pursue a shout out there where
it is going to take um sign off from the
high flevel of the organization to get something done. He's
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Podcast and wherever you get your podcasts. So the first
coaching name off the board, there's a lot of vacancies. Uh.
And the first one is gone. It's been filled the
Denver Broncos making the announcement earlier. Uh. And this is
being reported by several outlets that Nathaniel Hackett is being
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named the head coach in Denver. The Broncos hire the
former Packers offensive coordinator to be their new head coach,
taken over for Vic Fangio who was there for three
c seasons. So now the speculation gets going as to
what impact that has on Aaron Rodgers and his destination
with him and Nathaniel Hackett being close. Uh. And then
we also have another notable situation at quarterback in the NFL.
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It was Giants owner John Mara. I mean, are we
gonna get around of applause? I finally got rights marrow. Yeah,
Jesus did, all right, very good, But it is the
Giants in the news after he comes out, the owner
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sticking up for his quarterback Daniel Jones, John Mara. There's that.
So John Mara sticking up for Daniel Jones, saying they
need to do more to surround Daniel Jones and try
and help him out. He also mentioned the Deshaun Watson
potential making a move for Deshaun Watson said not happening
listed uh salary cap reasons, but also the situation going
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on behind the scenes with Deshaun watch and so I
mean this seems like, well, I guess they're just gonna
roll out Daniel Jones doing no matter who their head coaches,
They're just gonna roll out Daniel Jones and he's gonna
be there guy next year. Brady Quinn, We're good here.
Everything solved. Yeah, I do think there's one there's one
thing that could roll back or maybe somehow put the
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toothpaste back into the tube, and that would be what
else if you could take you're two top ten picks
and you could trade for a guy like Russell Wilson,
where we know there's a desire to get out of Seattle.
He wouldn't have floated or his agent wouldn't have floated
what was floated out their last offseason. And we know
Pete Carro and John Schneider are back. So now it
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comes down to and they can say, hey, you know,
we're not gonna move off from this guy all they want.
But if there's a desire on his side of things,
what what if the New York Giants offer him those
two top ten picks in a year where you know, look,
maybe the you know in exchange is Daniel Jones too
um and and you've got, you know, a potential quarterback.
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You've got some top ten draft picks. You can take
another one if you want, or build on that roster.
I mean, Seattle is another another team that if you
move on from Russell, will soon If you really look
where this team is at, They've got some pieces, but
there's a fair amount of rebuilding to do. Their defense
has been awful. They finally moved on from Ken Norton Jr.
Bobby Wagner still there, but there's some speculation as to
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whether or not he'll be back. And those are really
the last two pieces Russell and Bobby Wagner from. You
know that their super Bowl winning slash back to back
years going to Super Bowls, and if you move on
from those pieces, you're essentially rebuilding. So I do wonder
if there's a little thought or motivation on the side
of the Seahawks. We know there is from the side
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of Russ, but the Giants are that team with draft
capital to make that sort of move to make it happen.
And if you bring in an offensive minded coach like
a Brian Dable, and look what he's done with Josh Allen.
Imagine what he could do with Russ And imagine you know,
there's all the spect you're gonna talk about the offensive line,
and you know, people talking about what they're gonna do there. Well,
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Russell has been played probably behind worse offensive lines throughout
his career. I mean it immediately only makes you an
NFC East Division contender, a playoff contender with all the
talent that's around that quarterback spot. So it sounds all
good when when you listen to what John Morris saying.
But that's why in the NFL, you know you seldom
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here people use the you know words never in always
because if that opportunity presents itself, if you're the Giants,
if you're John Mary, how could you turn that down?
How could how could you say no to that? And
if you pass up this offseason and Russell Wilson moves
somewhere else moves on, and then after this year the
Giants decide that, well, maybe Daniel Jones isn't the guy.
Let's go back in the draft. You just missed out
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on getting a guy who's want of Super Bowl. I mean,
it's just to to me. I think if that opportunity
presents itself with everything that John Mayor has done, where
I think he hold a one eighty from the disappointment,
he explained, you know, David Gelman resigning, keeping Joe Judge,
and they kind of backtracked off that. Well, now they're
in a much better spot. You've got Joe Shane at
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g as the gam candidate or excuse me, Jim, You've
got potential, you know, one of the hotter head coaching
candidates coming in that's gonna revive this team, at least offensively.
And and now you've got the potential chance to get
a franchise quarterback who it's not like he's in his
late thirties, Russell Wilson stills a lot of good football
left in him. I just think if that scenario played
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itself out, you'd have to walk back the everything, all
the comments he said kind of in defense of Daniel Jones,
would you not Well, that's why I was offendor and
door and the statement, I mean, are they committed to
Daniel Jones or not? And then the first thing I
started to think, just listening to you right now, is
I wonder whose decision it was to bench him at
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the end of the year and and go in a
different direction altogether until they see in his end were
you preserving him or were you moving on from him?
And and and if I'm looking at Joe Judge, of
course he would have to be looking at it as
I'm moving on from him, because you're not having a
level of success as a head coach. And you knew
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that that things were looming if if you didn't have
success with Daniel Jones and it turned out to be
you know correct. So where you're at right now, whoever
it is that comes into this this job, you've already
seen Daniel Jones in so many ways, regardless of what
John Marra says, in so many ways, your quarterback is
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one of the main reasons why this team is not
playing or doing better. I mean, it just is what
it is, regardless of if it's because the team hasn't
been able to live up to the expectation or the
standard of developing him when they get him, they haven't
had much time. How many how many years did Joe
Judge get what one to two years? All right? And
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then the coach before him, how many. Did he get
one too? That was uh god, who's the uh the
coach before he got two years? I believe it wasn't.
And then before him was Ben McAdoo who got a
couple of years. McAdoo didn't get a long time either.
So so the idea of it is is, Okay, if
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I take this job in New York, Daniel Jones is
not giving me very much runway. So you gotta believe
that that there's not a coach that's coming in that's like, yeah,
I can salvage this with Daniel Jones. Let's let's make
this work. You gotta be looking at what can I
do or what can this team do to put me
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in the best situation to improve this team as quickly
as possible, because regardless of what the ownership is saying,
you see what happens when they feel embarrassed, and if
they find themselves in an embarrassing situation, they're going to
act on that. And if they're gonna act doing it,
I'm gonna want who I want in at that position,
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in particular, if I'm going to take that job. So
I wonder what that conversation looks like with the possible
coaching candidates and lead candidates in terms of entertaining the
conversation of if it's Russell Wilson, if you're not entertaining
Deshaun Watson, then why not entertain the Russell Wilson opportunity.
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Well again, if it's there's a lot of working parts right, um,
and who who knows how that'll transpire, but you gotta
hire the head coach. And I wonder if and Brian
Dable has been reportedly been the hot name that people
are talking about, but he's been looked at for two jobs,
Miami as well as the New York Giants. And if
he's deciding between both, I I do. I'd be curious
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to see if behind closed doors the conversation is, yeah,
Daniel Jones is gonna be your quarterback for year one
and and then if things don't work out, you know,
after you've evaluated for a year, you can go in
another direction, whereas in Miami it's to a song aboloa.
And why is that significant? Do you remember when ta
came in to help Alabama win a national championship who
the player caller was Brian Table So there's a familiarity
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there as opposed to maybe a question mark and that
could be good or bad. Right, And it's like the
mystery boxing family guy, like you can have a boat
or you can have the mystery box, like and it's
too enticing, Like I don't know what it could be.
Anything in the mystery box could be a boat. Right.
Clearly you guys haven't see a family guy. But the
point is this is sinking family. Uh what what was
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the will of for? Not? Will? Not family? Few? What's
the come on down one behind door? Number? No? Never?
The price is right? Prices right? I don't watch family.
The one is this is in one case you kind
of know what you're getting yourself into, and because you've
been with the player before, you've coached him before. And
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in another case with with Daniel Jones, maybe he's the guy.
Maybe not. But the mysteries that it could it could
end up being something like a Russell Wilson. But it
doesn't sound like that's the direction their owner wants to go.
So I mean, and that's the hard thing is I
think there's a chance that they would end up missing
out on it. And and then that doesn't make it
look like as an attractive of a job, does it.
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I mean, you're gonna be tied to the quarterback in
either instance. I don't think it's attractive to go in
there and have Daniel Jones. I feel like it's sad
to say that because I understand if there's anyone that
can can understand what Daniel Jones has gone through in
terms of a player. I had more head coaches than
years in the league at one point, and I had
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a defensive coordinator, a different one for the first three years.
I had a different defensive coordinator. I finally had one
for more than one year, and then he was gone
after two years. I never had a defensive coordinator or
a coach for more than two years in my entire
NFL career. So I can sympathize with where Daniel Joe
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is in his career and how that can impact your
success in your development in the game. But with that
being said, what was me, you know the idea that is,
that's fine, and that's all good, but I'm not trying
to be victimized by your you know, your circumstances, and
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it seems to have already been a part of other
coaches that have come there to coach. I don't want that.
That's I just don't want that. If I'm a coach
coming in, I do not want to try to salvage
it with Daniel Jones. So now the idea of it
is who who's out there? Who can we bring in
what's feasible. I mean, do you think Joe Shane got
the memo from Giants ownership that hey, you're gonna be
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stuck here with Daniel Jones. That's gonna be your guy
moving forward. But maybe that was the selling point, is
that they can make it work with Daniel Jones. I
think that ship is sailed. Look, if it wor up
to me and our Brian day ball, I'd rather go
to Miami and work with two of because not that
you know, two has got you know, a higher ceiling
than Daniel Jones. We just I think there's more untapped
potential what we've seen from Daniel Jones. He turns the
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ball over way too much. He's got this weird neck
injury that he went through last season to where you
know it was reported as a strain, but now he
had to go on I R and now he's gonna
you know, rehab. But he should be back in time
for August, which I don't know. I feel like I've
strained my neck before. It doesn't take seven months for
a next strain to heal. Uh. It just it feels
like you're kind of tying the head coach or the
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GM to what you're adamant about in a press conference
in January, that that you're tying them up for a
year when you've proven over the past three coaching resime
regimes you get two years or less and if you
don't perform, you're out of here. It just feels like
that's a tough spot for whoever's going to take that gig.
I think I think it's a tough spot if they
feel beholding to Daniel Jones. And I get it, they
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made the investment. They feel like they've boxed how it's gone.
But I mean, the fourth the nail on the head.
He's consistently shown an inability to take care of the football,
whether that's the interceptions or fumbles. I mean, it's just
it's it's been the thing. And and look, coming in
to the NFL, that wasn't like a knock on him.
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It wasn't like he was a guy you concerned about
ball security. I mean, one of the pros about him
was he's a smart, you know player, he can run
an NFL system. He's athletic enough, he can move around.
We've seen that from time to time. You know, he
was well coached, um, you know, coming from their system there, Duke,
it was it was everything like but kind of at
least the turnover thing. I mean, that was something that
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was a knock on Jamis Winston and we saw a rear.
It's ugly head. But you know, after watching what he
looked like with the Saints last year, it seems like
he's got that under control. He showed growth. Maybe too
late for other people to buy into that, but that's
the concerned with Daniel Jones is is he just kind
of revealing to you what he is, regardless of all
the things around him, or do you ultimately believe like
that it's just it takes the right coach to be
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able to make it work that Maybe that is the case,
but I think you've got a much better idea of
what he is. And if that's the case, then you
gotta start looking up to go make a big home
run swing of a move and try to find someone
like a Russell Wilson's mystery Box as funny as hell,
by the way, thank you. I mean, I appreciate your
your quickness and sending a reference point. I appreciate that. Yeah,
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Fox Sports Radio. The breaking news that just came down
in the NFL. Tom Pellicero of the NFL Network reports
that the Broncos are finalizing a deal with Packers offensive
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coordinator Nathaniel Hackett to make him their new head quote
head coach, per sources. He said contract talks heated up
Wednesday night. The Jags planned to interview Hacket again today instead,
Denver Lands its top choice. So there it is. Round
of applause. Brady Quinn called this last week or the
week before. You see some of us here build each
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other up and others don't. But it is Uh. Nathaniel Hackett,
the offensive coordinator the Packers, is now in Denver as
their head coach. The first head coach off the board
in the NFL. So there's that. Feels like the stars
are aligning. I do feel like this would be the
domino effect to for coaches being hired in the NFL.
I think Brian Dables up next. Uh. It sounds like
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things are heating up for him in Miami. Byron Leftwich,
things are heating up with the Jacksonville Jaguars. Um, you know,
the Bears are still going through, you know, their interview process.
The Vikings clearly wanted to hire a general manager before
they hired their head coach, so I think that will
come at some point. But it's it's been interesting, you know,
it's been interesting how and I think Jonas you brought
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this up yesterday, it's been a little more patient process
than I think what we're accustomed to. You know, there's
been times where there's been coaches or assistants on staffs
that are still playing that you know, they were the worst.
It was the worst kept secret out there, right Kyle
Shanahan to the forty Niners was one of the worst
kept secrets. And you know, I understand the reasoning for,
you know why, you obviously can't hire the guy before
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you know he's actually done coaching for the team he's with,
especially if they're still playing. But in this case, UM,
it's been a slower process. Maybe that's good too, casting
a wider net for some of these ordizations. The reality
is this could very well be the domino effect that
starts the hiring process for a bunch of other teams.
Out there. But I also think it sets up the
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potential for something else to occur in the future future.
What do you think that might be? Think there could
be a potential quarterback move. Well, I'm just I'm saying,
if you are Aaron Rodgers right now and you're contemplating
a bunch of things, you know, trying to figure out
what the Packers are going to do. And again, this
is something we talked about yesterday, LaVar. And one of
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the things about, like, separate from Aaron Rodgers decision of
what he wants to do, this is there's probably no
better time for the Packers to rebuild. I mean, given
their cap situation and something that I've listened to some say, well,
if you just cut Preston Smith's to Darius Smith. Okay,
but those are some really good does that help you?
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And then you and and even in that light, you
still have to extend Rashan Gary, you still have to
extend jaros Ander. That doesn't like they're forty four million
over the cap, and that doesn't include whatever you do
with Davonte Adams. So it really could be more than that,
depending on his franchise tag number, which I think the
projection I saw was twenty million. So if that's the
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case that you're at sixty four now, I mean, and
you can send him to a long term extension if
he wanted to do that. But there's a lot of
questions about what Davanta Adams wants to do, amongst what
Aaron Rodgers is gonna do. Never be able to bring
him in well, I mean, that's that's for another conversation.
I think there'd have to be a lot of moving
parts in order for that to happen. But if you
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could trade both Adams and Rogers to the Broncos, I
mean you're talking about there would have to be players
in exchange for that. There would be a boatload of
draft picks. And but I think the only thing that
works in your favor if you're denver of not having
to mortgage too much of your future, is you know,
they could say to Rogers, look, he's he's not a
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one year heal or at the package. Excuse me, he's
not a one year deal. It's always got left on
his contract. And he's thirty one. Yeah, so so he's
at an age where it's like, we don't know how
much longer he's gonna play. So we can't give you
as much as you want for him. Now, Adams is
a different story, Davante, Adams could warrant a lot, even
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though we have seen wide receivers, you know, not go
for quite as much as we thought at times. Right,
Diggs went for what a first, A second, like I
don't know, a third and fifth? I mean there was
a contract? What is his contract? How many? How many
years does he have? He's restrict so they can't they
can't well, I mean so they wouldn't be able to
trade him? Then? Well, no, the thought would be you
(04:43):
tag him and so at a minimum, it gives you
at least one more year with him if you can't
work out, you know, during that period of time, a
long term extension, but at least you have control. So
let me ask you this. If they tagged him, what
the value of what green Bay would be asking for
exceed what that that that averages of what he would
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get on that franchise tag? Yeah, well he would get
more annually than that, right because I'll probably get what
I'm saying. What I'm saying is for green Bay, would
it make sense to match to match the offer? Right?
Because of unless they restrict him right, if they restrict,
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they help me educate me on it, because he will
receive the exclusive franchise tag, so there will not be
anyone else you can match, that can match the offer.
You know, his recourse would be. I could say, I'm
not like Levian Bell, I'm not gonna show up, I'm
not gonna play for you. But then, now again, for Denver,
does that exceed what they would be able to provide
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to get him, Because if they provided that, then you
gotta perceivably think that if it's time for green Bay
to make a do a rebuild, well, what would be
better than to say, all right, we're gonna lose Davante anyway.
If we're going to lose him, and we're going to
lose Aaron, let's get as much out of Denver as
we possibly can and then we can justify a rebuild.
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We could get a couple of good players in exchange.
We could get some some good draft pick choices. I
mean with that that that would seem to be feasible
if that is indeed the case. See, but I don't
know what's why would Denver trade for Davante Adams if
he's going to be a free agent. I mean, if
if green Bay and I don't think it, but I understand,
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but I think that you could get Aaron Rodgers if
you just made up if you were going to sign
Davanta Adams, if green Bay was gonna let him walk,
because it doesn't make sense for green Bay to to
franchise tag Davante Adams or give him a big time contract.
If Aaron Rodgers is leaving, why would you commit that
much money when you already get cap problems because you
still have a quarterback. First off, signing them to an
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extension actually helps your cap because you've got creative ways
and you always hear the phrase cash over cap. As
long as you put a good portion of that into
the signing bonus, you can reduce and especially if you
back you know, back end load the contract, you can
reduce a lot of what their salary cap issues are
here in the short term. Now you're kind of kicking
(07:12):
the can down the road, but you know, you also
could move on from the player at that point if
he doesn't isn't developing the chemistry at Jordan's Love, or
he's not the same play without Aaron Rodgers, right, So
actually giving him an extension would help their cap situation
because of how they could structure it to reduce the number.
Where you know, if he's under the franchise tag, he
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counts twenty million against the cap, that number goes up
to four as we talked about, but you could structure
in a manner in which he might only have ten
or twelve that hit the cap. So in theory, you're
actually reducing the amount that would be hitting the cap
as opposed to franchise tagging him by extending him in
this instance, I mean that division. And let's just say
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let's say the Raiders want to make a move, all right,
and say the Raiders are looking around, going all right,
we want to move on from Air car Um. We
want to make a move, and say they you know,
one of the teams that was on Russell Wilson's list
was the Raiders from last year. Could you imagine a division,
And it's not that far fetched to think Mahomes justin
Herbert Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson in the same division.
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That's not that far fetched that that that has a
legitimate possibility of happening. That's going to be a fun
division to watch. And so if you follow the trail
here and Nathaniel Hackett getting this opportunity uh to to
take over in Denver. Him and Aaron Rodgers are close,
you know, they'd like to work together. This just feels
like the perfect match that something would get done. And
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Denver's got a top ten pick they can part with
and whatever else they can because look, I know album
got this year. Yeah, so I would imagine a couple
of those are going back to Green Bay this gets done,
you know, I mean, and they were the favorite to
to land Aaron Rodgers outside of yes. Yeah. So, but
like I said before, I think it has to do
a little bit with if you just look at the
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situation for the Packers, there's probably not a cleaner time
to say, all right, let's start over and rebuild, all right,
like you didn't make it back to the NFC Championship
Game or Super Bowl. With Aaron, it's at a time
in his career where he's got a year left, he's
coming off in and be back to back m v
P seasons. What else can you trade him and get
as much for him? I mean, he's he's only gonna
be another year older if you hang onto him for
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another year, and that and in that case though, he'd be,
you know, going to be a free agent. But I
think the hard part with that is is you've already
spent two years not having really much of a clue
what Jordan loved Canner will be. I mean, there was
an idea, and we talked about this yesterday, you know,
it being floated out that they want to extend Aaron
Rodgers two more years. Well, what the heck are you
doing with Jordan Love then? Because at that point in time,
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if you're extending him, you're expecting him to be there
and play, and so you're essentially walking into a player
who's got a four year deal with the fifth year
option that's fully guaranteed that you've got to make a
decision on, you know, at some point after year three,
how much a value does he have? What if he
was an option to put on the trade. But I
don't think there's any I mean, what you'd say, as
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you'd say, okay, what's Jordan's love in this quarterback draft class?
Would you rather have Jordan's love or do you rather
have one of these quarterbacks? And that's where maybe there's
a thought or value to you know, what you could
get for Jordan Love people. I wouldn't. I wouldn't put
him in. I mean, his last year was bad in
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college football. Now he's got a couple of years of
seasoning now and that might you know, change how teams
look at him. But you had to go back to,
you know, is what was it? I believe it's a
software here because he came out early. I mean, it's
it's it. That's the hard thing is film wise, Kenny
Pickett's got the best tape. So I still wouldn't put
you know, him ahead of Kenny Pickett. But again, that's
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that's all. That's assuming. That's well, that's assuming too that
Brian guten Coast is willing to say, hey, I made
a bad mistake. I thought Aaron Rodgers, you know, couldn't
play the m v P level. Clearly he can, Like
I don't know, I mean, as a general manager gonna
do that maybe, I mean, I'm just I'm looking at it.
If this is the time for a rebuild, and well,
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and in theory, if it's time for rebuild, then you
do try to move on from from Aaron Rodgers. I
mean just hot. But but they've come up short too,
by the way. I mean, whether you're looking at it
from what what's next with without Aaron Rodgers. I mean,
you've only been good enough to make it too, which
is good, I mean, which is great, honestly, but you
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haven't won the super Bowl. You know. Like they get
outsted in their first round this year, which is the
it was a divisional round, but then they lose in
the Visional Championship the year before. I mean, they're coming
up short. It's not like it's not like, uh, a
Tom Brady scenario where you have the recency effect of saying, Okay,
you're looking at it, and they're they're not too far
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fresh off of getting a super Bowl. You know, they
keep coming up short anyway, so maybe it is time
to do a rebuild. It's not going to be pretty.
I'll tell you that they're going to go further away
from where they are right now. They're they're closer to
winning a super Bowl than they they would be to
me if they got rid of Tom Brady. Excuse me,
Aaron Rodgers, but it feels like they're similar to New
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Orleans where look the windows. Probably yeah, I mean, and
that's where New Orleans finds himself, and probably New Orleans
is in a worst cap situation. That's not the window anymore.
They're they're not even in the vehicle like that. That
and they don't have their head coach. Yeh. By the way,
Drew Brees crippled their cap and then got paid bougoo
(12:40):
bucks from NBC to take that gig. So but you know, listen,
it's all good. He got a piece of notebook paper
with you know, their yards record on it for Monday
Night football, so he's fine. Everything's fine with Drew Brees.
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Right now, we turn it over to Albert Breer, senior
NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the mm QB. You
can get him on Twitter at Albert Brier. Albert, how's
everything going, Welcome to your Thursday morning. What's happening? Well,
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you know, we talked about whether earlier in the year
and how I like to fall. Um, I'm looking at
a single digit on my dashboard right now, and I
think and I think, I think that the wind show
is under zero, but I can't confirm that. Yeah, you, Albert, Albert,
where are you going? We always feel like you're in
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your car when you're talking to us, like, where are
you going? Right now? I am, well, because it's chaos.
I talked to you guys so early in the morning.
It's chaos in my house. So it's easier for me
to just get in the car and drive around namelessly
for fifteen minutes. And you know what I mean. I
guess you guys don't want to hear the dog barking
or the kids yelling. This is much better, right, So
(14:05):
you're like Buddy from a bachelor weekend bachelor party, you know,
when he goes out to the car for his his
his private time with his phone. That's that's that's how
it works. Yeah, basically said a little different, but all right,
maybe a tap. So Albert, the Broncos make the move.
They hired Nathaniel Hacke at the offensive coordinator of the
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Green Bay Packers that just went down about five minutes ago. Um,
so I gotta ask you how much of this has
to do with Um, you know, the potential of Aaron
Rodgers being out there for the taking. This has I
mean their interest. You know, obviously they went through a process,
um to get him, but this has been rumored guys
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for I mean, I'm I'm saying going on three months
that they would make a run at hack It and
that they were and that that would relate directly to
the availability. And there's the beeping, So I'm sorry about that.
I had had. I had to buckle my seatbelt. We're
up to a flying They always got to make the
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seatbelt notification the most annoying sound in the world. Um. Yeah, No,
I mean I think this goes back like two or
three months, and um, you know, they had been digging
on him for a while. And yeah, I mean, I
think a big part of it, if we're being realistic
about it, is that they are planning to load up
for a run at Aaron Rodgers. And I actually think
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like the Broncos elimination or the Packers elimination from the
playoffs makes it more likely that Aaron Rodgers will be available.
And you know, I think that that sort of added
to all of this. It allows them to hire Hacking
earlier and it means that maybe going after Rogers is
a little bit more realistic. And if you look at
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where they are, guys and and then Brady, I know
you are in Denver around that time. Um, the bron
does feel like right now there where they were in
two thousand and twelve, where they've got some really nice
core pieces where if you drop a veteran quarterback like
a Peyton Manning or liking Aaron Rodgers into it, the
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thing could really take off without a Davante Adams. I mean,
is that it just makes sense to say without I
mean they couldn't. They could go get him. But I
mean it's not like they're short on receivers right now.
I mean they got they Courtland Sutton, Tim Patrick, kJ
Hamil Yeah, I mean Jerry Judy. They've got like really
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good depth there. They've got no offense tight end. Javante
Williams looked really good as a rookie running back. Um,
there are a lot of pieces in place, Like I
I don't know that it's all that different than where
they were with Damarius Thomas and Julius Thomas and um
and Eric Decker back in two thousand and twelve. It
feels a little similar to that where you've got some
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young guys who may be haven't put it all together
yet but have shown a lot of potential. Albert I
look at it, and obviously we we've talked about the
correlation to Denver and all that, but I want to
talk about the hiring process that this I said this earlier.
I think this is like the domino effect. Nathaniel Hackett
maybe he'll be the first to get inked. Is this
gonna cause some other teams though, to to move a
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little quicker? I know Byron Leftwich supposedly is get a
lot of tracks in Jacksonville. I'm here and seen reports
about Brian Dable where the Dolphins and conversations with that's
really heating up. Do you think we're gonna start seeing
a bunch of hires taking place now that if Nathaniel
Hackett's to be in the first Yeah, and you know,
I think Bretty there isn't. It's not a deadline, but
I think it is worth considering that the Senior Bowls
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next week, um, and that has almost turned in like
a coaching convention, and so you know, in a lot
of cases, new coaches will go there and they'll meet
with assistant coaches from other teams and they'll you know,
finalize their staffs and obviously that's where a lot of
the work you do towards the rafts starts to pick up.
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And so you know, I I don't think it's like
a must that you have your head coach in place
before um Senior Bowl week, but you know, I do
think it's sort of a checkpoint in the calendar. And so,
you know, I think everybody's waiting for the first domino
to fall, and I think most people thought the first
domino to fall would be dan Quinn because the Broncos
had really sort of focused the early parts of their
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search on dan Quinn. Now that they've hired to Daniel Hackett,
you know, now I think the next question becomes, does
dan Quinn go to Chicago or New York? Does Brian
Dave All go to New York or Miami? Um? And
I think that there are sort of some moving parts there,
and UM, it's gonna be interesting to see because I think,
you know, a couple of these places have two guys
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in mind, you know, like like the Giants, you know,
they could go dan Quinn, Brian dave Ball, the Dolphins
they could go Brian Dave Ball, Vance Joseph the Bears,
they could go Matt ebra Flew, Dan Quinn. So you know,
I think you see sort of the interplay there where
you know, one guy making a decision could sort of
streamline the search for other teams. Albert Brier joining us
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here Fox Sports Radio, senior NFL reporter at the m
m QB. Get him on Twitter at Albert Brier all
right to say, I gave you a hundred dollars and
you just kept on driving. And he said, screw it, honey,
you take care of whatever you need to take care
of at home. I gotta go place a wager. I
gotta find I gotta find the place to go where
I can get in touch with draft Kings and place
a wager a hundred dollars. Who's going to be the
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next coach hired? If you had to bet right now,
gut feeling or based on some of your sourcing, who's
the next guy to go on? Where does he go? Um?
I mean, I sort of that's tough because I think
Quinn could get hired by the Bears. Um. I think
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you know, if Brian Dabo could get hired by the Bills,
but you know by the Giants, by the Giant. Y
been hired by the Bills. Yeah, by the Giant. But
the Giants are talking to Brian Brian Flores today and
say Flora's blows them away. Well than that could change
the dynamic there. So like I just you know, I
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think it's kind of it's it's sort of like the
next one to come off the market. I think could
set off some dominoes because that will take an option
from away from everybody else. So, like I said, I
think there are like multiple guys in a couple of
these places. If you if you, if you ask me
right now a gut into my head, who's the next
higher I'd say it's Chicago hiring either mattiebor looser, Dan
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Quinn h a B. I want to switch to to
the games that are coming up, uh in the quarterback
situation with this San Francisco forty Niners have seemingly come
out of nowhere and possibly could could be considered maybe
the hottest team and in the playoffs right now, What
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does this do for Garoppolo? If if they're able to
win this game this weekend and make another appearance in
the Super Bowl, it probably makes it a little awkward.
I mean, because you know, now, what do you do? Um.
I still think they probably turned the tray Lands, But
I think it makes it, you know, it just changes
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the dynamic a little bit. And you have the whole
idea of the Niners, of what the Niners did last
year and trading up for tray Lands and then keeping
Jimmy Garoppolo at four million dollars, was we really feel
like we do need to raise the ceiling a quarterback,
but at the same time, like we don't feel like
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we're in any sort of rebuilding position, like we've got
veterans on this team. And to be fair to the
Trent Williams, to the uh Devo Samuels, to the Nick
Bo says Um, to the Fred Warners, to those guys
on our team who have put the team in position
to compete for a championship, we can't just roll a
rookie quarterback out there. And so, you know, this is
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always sort of part of the plan was that Jimmy
Garoppolo is gonna put him in a place to contend
in one, and Trey Lance was gonna raise their ceiling
in two and thereafter. Now I think it's the Super Bowl.
I think they still probably want to stick to the
plan and turn to Trey Lance in twenty two. Um,
but I think it gets a little bit more awkward.
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And I would say this too, it definitely would help
them from a trade value standpoint, and that like if
you say, to Carolina Panthers, you can probably sell Jimmy
Garoppolo a little bit easier to your fan base if
you strike out on it Deshaun Watson or Russell Wilson,
ern Aaron Rodgers and so you know, I think they
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probably still moved Jimmy Garoppolo. Um, but you know, I
think it becomes a little bit harder because of what
it might mean inside your locker room, where you got
a guy who just took you to the Super Bowl.
Now you're turning around and trading him. Albert Bridge joining
us here on Fox Sports Trade you know, m m QB,
senior NFL reporter with us here on FSR. All right,
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you've covered um, Tom Brady for a lot of her
I would say, probably all of his career, at least
a good chunk of his career, obviously being up there
in the Northeast, and now we're hearing the reports and
well maybe this is it. And Gronk is saying, well,
if they asked me right now whether or not I
was going to retire, I would say I'm gonna retire.
But the season just ended. What feels different about this
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retirement speculation as opposed to some of the others that
you've covered in your career, it's the way that he's talking. Um,
you know, I I don't think we've really heard Tom
Brady talk this way before, you know. I like, if
you look in the past, it's almost always like I'm
not ready to give it up. I still feel like
I've got a lot left. And if you listen to
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what he said on that podcast with Jim Gray the
other night, that doesn't sound the same, you know what
I mean, Like that sounds like somebody who was really
contemplating things. And you know, I've always remember I always
remember here in this about pro athletes, and um, you know,
Brady LaVar right, Like, I'd love to hear your opinion
on this. You always hear that like when an athlete
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starts to talk about retiring, he actually probably already is retired,
you know, and he's already kind of crossed that line
into all right, like I'm ready to do this. I'm
ready to walk away. Um. I don't know that that's
necessarily the case with Brady, but I think it's definitely
something to consider here. And you know, I think ultimately
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his family, like that part of it's really important to him.
He's got a son who lives up in New York
who I believe is going to be going into high
school in the fall. Um, and that's a real consideration
for him. Um. I think he'll like he'll wind up
playing one more year. But I don't think that that's
a hundred percent. I think it's probably I mean, at
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this point, maybe like if you ask me, like like
I would say, it's like he comes back, Like I
do think he's genuinely torn about it. Uh, you know,
But I mean the one thing I think you always
I think the one thing about Brady like like I know,
he's not one of these guys who hates the process
of it, you know what I mean, Like most athletes
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walk away not because they hate Sunday because they start
to get tired of Monday through Saturday. Brady loves every
part of it, you know. And I think he thinks
he can still play and sure looks to me like
you can still play um. And I think he also
knows that when he walks away, this isn't golf like,
he's not going to be able to get back and
you know and play play, play the sport again. Um.
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When it's gone, it's gone. And so I think for
that reason, probably comes to some sort of agreement with
his family with the Bucks and comes back from one
more year. I want to ask you in regards to
John Mara's comments about Deshaun Watson. I was thinking what
I was listening to him saying this and why Deshaun
Watson wouldn't be a fit for the Giants. Is John
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Marra putting more pressure on other owners? I mean, no
one's been a public and speaking about Deshaun Watson and
whether or not they would be open to to looking
for a guy like that or trying to trade or
acquire him. I mean, if a guy like David Tepper
got ultra aggressive in Carolina went after him, does it
kind of reflect poorly upon him then? Because of what
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John Marris already put out there. Yeah, Brady, it's a
really interesting perspective. I hadn't heard that, hum, but I
think you're right, Like, I think it's um, you know,
the fact that he was so forceful about it, you know,
like I'm not like, we're not going to do this,
like that the New York Giants will not do this. Um.
You know, I think it certainly brings some perspective to
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the situation, you know, in the seriousness of, um, you
know what what Deshaun Watson's being accused of. And you know,
like I think like and look, I'm guilty of it too,
Like we all sort of like it's been a while since,
you know, that's been a front for thing, and so like,
you know, sometimes we we've we've talked about him strictly
(26:58):
in football terms, and you know, we do like kind
of forget or maybe you know, unintentionally downplay the seriousness
of what he's being accused of. And I think like
the way John Marrage drove home that point trying of
I think underscores what every team, whatevery GM, every head
coach who wants to pursue Deshaun Watson is probably gonna
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be up against now, is that this is one of
those things that's going to require sign off from ownership.
Because the minute to Shaun Watson walks into your building, guys,
he is the face of your franchise, and um, you know,
I think even after the cases get settled, and I
do think that there's going to be some sort of
settlement over the next couple of weeks to help facilitate
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a trade and allowed Deshaun to work to move forward
this football future. You know, the minute like he lands
on one of these teams, Like, the first thing that's
gonna happen is those questions are gonna come up and
that's gonna reflect on ownership. So I certainly think he
other owners something to consider, Brady, and I think, um yeah.
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He also illustrated the challenge for those gms and coaches
that might want to pursue a shout out there where
it is going to take um sign off from the
high flevel of the organization to get something done. He's
Albert Brier, senior NFL reporter with the mm QB. You
can get him on Twitter at Albert Brier. Always appreciated
good stuff. Enjoy the games this weekend and we'll do
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it again next week out stay warm, Albert. Stuff out
there and I got and I got my seatbelt on
now too, as you got. I think I heard the
witch shield wipers. You're defrosting the windshield? Where were you at?
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Podcast and wherever you get your podcasts. So the first
coaching name off the board, there's a lot of vacancies. Uh.
And the first one is gone. It's been filled the
Denver Broncos making the announcement earlier. Uh. And this is
being reported by several outlets that Nathaniel Hackett is being
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named the head coach in Denver. The Broncos hire the
former Packers offensive coordinator to be their new head coach,
taken over for Vic Fangio who was there for three
c seasons. So now the speculation gets going as to
what impact that has on Aaron Rodgers and his destination
with him and Nathaniel Hackett being close. Uh. And then
we also have another notable situation at quarterback in the NFL.
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It was Giants owner John Mara. I mean, are we
gonna get around of applause? I finally got rights marrow. Yeah,
Jesus did, all right, very good, But it is the
Giants in the news after he comes out, the owner
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sticking up for his quarterback Daniel Jones, John Mara. There's that.
So John Mara sticking up for Daniel Jones, saying they
need to do more to surround Daniel Jones and try
and help him out. He also mentioned the Deshaun Watson
potential making a move for Deshaun Watson said not happening
listed uh salary cap reasons, but also the situation going
(30:58):
on behind the scenes with Deshaun watch and so I
mean this seems like, well, I guess they're just gonna
roll out Daniel Jones doing no matter who their head coaches,
They're just gonna roll out Daniel Jones and he's gonna
be there guy next year. Brady Quinn, We're good here.
Everything solved. Yeah, I do think there's one there's one
thing that could roll back or maybe somehow put the
(31:19):
toothpaste back into the tube, and that would be what
else if you could take you're two top ten picks
and you could trade for a guy like Russell Wilson,
where we know there's a desire to get out of Seattle.
He wouldn't have floated or his agent wouldn't have floated
what was floated out their last offseason. And we know
Pete Carro and John Schneider are back. So now it
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comes down to and they can say, hey, you know,
we're not gonna move off from this guy all they want.
But if there's a desire on his side of things,
what what if the New York Giants offer him those
two top ten picks in a year where you know, look,
maybe the you know in exchange is Daniel Jones too
um and and you've got, you know, a potential quarterback.
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You've got some top ten draft picks. You can take
another one if you want, or build on that roster.
I mean, Seattle is another another team that if you
move on from Russell, will soon If you really look
where this team is at, They've got some pieces, but
there's a fair amount of rebuilding to do. Their defense
has been awful. They finally moved on from Ken Norton Jr.
Bobby Wagner still there, but there's some speculation as to
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whether or not he'll be back. And those are really
the last two pieces Russell and Bobby Wagner from. You
know that their super Bowl winning slash back to back
years going to Super Bowls, and if you move on
from those pieces, you're essentially rebuilding. So I do wonder
if there's a little thought or motivation on the side
of the Seahawks. We know there is from the side
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of Russ, but the Giants are that team with draft
capital to make that sort of move to make it happen.
And if you bring in an offensive minded coach like
a Brian Dable, and look what he's done with Josh Allen.
Imagine what he could do with Russ And imagine you know,
there's all the spect you're gonna talk about the offensive line,
and you know, people talking about what they're gonna do there. Well,
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Russell has been played probably behind worse offensive lines throughout
his career. I mean it immediately only makes you an
NFC East Division contender, a playoff contender with all the
talent that's around that quarterback spot. So it sounds all
good when when you listen to what John Morris saying.
But that's why in the NFL, you know you seldom
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here people use the you know words never in always
because if that opportunity presents itself, if you're the Giants,
if you're John Mary, how could you turn that down?
How could how could you say no to that? And
if you pass up this offseason and Russell Wilson moves
somewhere else moves on, and then after this year the
Giants decide that, well, maybe Daniel Jones isn't the guy.
Let's go back in the draft. You just missed out
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on getting a guy who's want of Super Bowl. I mean,
it's just to to me. I think if that opportunity
presents itself with everything that John Mayor has done, where
I think he hold a one eighty from the disappointment,
he explained, you know, David Gelman resigning, keeping Joe Judge,
and they kind of backtracked off that. Well, now they're
in a much better spot. You've got Joe Shane at
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g as the gam candidate or excuse me, Jim, You've
got potential, you know, one of the hotter head coaching
candidates coming in that's gonna revive this team, at least offensively.
And and now you've got the potential chance to get
a franchise quarterback who it's not like he's in his
late thirties, Russell Wilson stills a lot of good football
left in him. I just think if that scenario played
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itself out, you'd have to walk back the everything, all
the comments he said kind of in defense of Daniel Jones,
would you not Well, that's why I was offendor and
door and the statement, I mean, are they committed to
Daniel Jones or not? And then the first thing I
started to think, just listening to you right now, is
I wonder whose decision it was to bench him at
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the end of the year and and go in a
different direction altogether until they see in his end were
you preserving him or were you moving on from him?
And and and if I'm looking at Joe Judge, of
course he would have to be looking at it as
I'm moving on from him, because you're not having a
level of success as a head coach. And you knew
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that that things were looming if if you didn't have
success with Daniel Jones and it turned out to be
you know correct. So where you're at right now, whoever
it is that comes into this this job, you've already
seen Daniel Jones in so many ways, regardless of what
John Marra says, in so many ways, your quarterback is
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one of the main reasons why this team is not
playing or doing better. I mean, it just is what
it is, regardless of if it's because the team hasn't
been able to live up to the expectation or the
standard of developing him when they get him, they haven't
had much time. How many how many years did Joe
Judge get what one to two years? All right? And
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then the coach before him, how many. Did he get
one too? That was uh god, who's the uh the
coach before he got two years? I believe it wasn't.
And then before him was Ben McAdoo who got a
couple of years. McAdoo didn't get a long time either.
So so the idea of it is is, Okay, if
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I take this job in New York, Daniel Jones is
not giving me very much runway. So you gotta believe
that that there's not a coach that's coming in that's like, yeah,
I can salvage this with Daniel Jones. Let's let's make
this work. You gotta be looking at what can I
do or what can this team do to put me
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in the best situation to improve this team as quickly
as possible, because regardless of what the ownership is saying,
you see what happens when they feel embarrassed, and if
they find themselves in an embarrassing situation, they're going to
act on that. And if they're gonna act doing it,
I'm gonna want who I want in at that position,
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in particular, if I'm going to take that job. So
I wonder what that conversation looks like with the possible
coaching candidates and lead candidates in terms of entertaining the
conversation of if it's Russell Wilson, if you're not entertaining
Deshaun Watson, then why not entertain the Russell Wilson opportunity.
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Well again, if it's there's a lot of working parts right, um,
and who who knows how that'll transpire, but you gotta
hire the head coach. And I wonder if and Brian
Dable has been reportedly been the hot name that people
are talking about, but he's been looked at for two jobs,
Miami as well as the New York Giants. And if
he's deciding between both, I I do. I'd be curious
(37:48):
to see if behind closed doors the conversation is, yeah,
Daniel Jones is gonna be your quarterback for year one
and and then if things don't work out, you know,
after you've evaluated for a year, you can go in
another direction, whereas in Miami it's to a song aboloa.
And why is that significant? Do you remember when ta
came in to help Alabama win a national championship who
the player caller was Brian Table So there's a familiarity
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there as opposed to maybe a question mark and that
could be good or bad. Right, And it's like the
mystery boxing family guy, like you can have a boat
or you can have the mystery box, like and it's
too enticing, Like I don't know what it could be.
Anything in the mystery box could be a boat. Right.
Clearly you guys haven't see a family guy. But the
point is this is sinking family. Uh what what was
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the will of for? Not? Will? Not family? Few? What's
the come on down one behind door? Number? No? Never?
The price is right? Prices right? I don't watch family.
The one is this is in one case you kind
of know what you're getting yourself into, and because you've
been with the player before, you've coached him before. And
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in another case with with Daniel Jones, maybe he's the guy.
Maybe not. But the mysteries that it could it could
end up being something like a Russell Wilson. But it
doesn't sound like that's the direction their owner wants to go.
So I mean, and that's the hard thing is I
think there's a chance that they would end up missing
out on it. And and then that doesn't make it
look like as an attractive of a job, does it.
(39:16):
I mean, you're gonna be tied to the quarterback in
either instance. I don't think it's attractive to go in
there and have Daniel Jones. I feel like it's sad
to say that because I understand if there's anyone that
can can understand what Daniel Jones has gone through in
terms of a player. I had more head coaches than
years in the league at one point, and I had
(39:38):
a defensive coordinator, a different one for the first three years.
I had a different defensive coordinator. I finally had one
for more than one year, and then he was gone
after two years. I never had a defensive coordinator or
a coach for more than two years in my entire
NFL career. So I can sympathize with where Daniel Joe
(40:00):
is in his career and how that can impact your
success in your development in the game. But with that
being said, what was me, you know the idea that is,
that's fine, and that's all good, but I'm not trying
to be victimized by your you know, your circumstances, and
(40:20):
it seems to have already been a part of other
coaches that have come there to coach. I don't want that.
That's I just don't want that. If I'm a coach
coming in, I do not want to try to salvage
it with Daniel Jones. So now the idea of it
is who who's out there? Who can we bring in
what's feasible. I mean, do you think Joe Shane got
the memo from Giants ownership that hey, you're gonna be
(40:44):
stuck here with Daniel Jones. That's gonna be your guy
moving forward. But maybe that was the selling point, is
that they can make it work with Daniel Jones. I
think that ship is sailed. Look, if it wor up
to me and our Brian day ball, I'd rather go
to Miami and work with two of because not that
you know, two has got you know, a higher ceiling
than Daniel Jones. We just I think there's more untapped
potential what we've seen from Daniel Jones. He turns the
(41:06):
ball over way too much. He's got this weird neck
injury that he went through last season to where you
know it was reported as a strain, but now he
had to go on I R and now he's gonna
you know, rehab. But he should be back in time
for August, which I don't know. I feel like I've
strained my neck before. It doesn't take seven months for
a next strain to heal. Uh. It just it feels
like you're kind of tying the head coach or the
(41:29):
GM to what you're adamant about in a press conference
in January, that that you're tying them up for a
year when you've proven over the past three coaching resime
regimes you get two years or less and if you
don't perform, you're out of here. It just feels like
that's a tough spot for whoever's going to take that gig.
I think I think it's a tough spot if they
feel beholding to Daniel Jones. And I get it, they
(41:50):
made the investment. They feel like they've boxed how it's gone.
But I mean, the fourth the nail on the head.
He's consistently shown an inability to take care of the football,
whether that's the interceptions or fumbles. I mean, it's just
it's it's been the thing. And and look, coming in
to the NFL, that wasn't like a knock on him.
(42:10):
It wasn't like he was a guy you concerned about
ball security. I mean, one of the pros about him
was he's a smart, you know player, he can run
an NFL system. He's athletic enough, he can move around.
We've seen that from time to time. You know, he
was well coached, um, you know, coming from their system there, Duke,
it was it was everything like but kind of at
least the turnover thing. I mean, that was something that
(42:32):
was a knock on Jamis Winston and we saw a rear.
It's ugly head. But you know, after watching what he
looked like with the Saints last year, it seems like
he's got that under control. He showed growth. Maybe too
late for other people to buy into that, but that's
the concerned with Daniel Jones is is he just kind
of revealing to you what he is, regardless of all
the things around him, or do you ultimately believe like
that it's just it takes the right coach to be
(42:53):
able to make it work that Maybe that is the case,
but I think you've got a much better idea of
what he is. And if that's the case, then you
gotta start looking up to go make a big home
run swing of a move and try to find someone
like a Russell Wilson's mystery Box as funny as hell,
by the way, thank you. I mean, I appreciate your
your quickness and sending a reference point. I appreciate that. Yeah,
(43:16):
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