February 7, 2023 • 42 mins
LIVE from Radio Row, Super Bowl 57 Week on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the main story that has been brewing this week is the announcement of Tom Brady’s retirement and his big contract to broadcast NFL games for FOX Network. Sean Payton is taking his coaching talents to the Denver Broncos to try and get Russell Wilson and the team on the right track. Trent Dilfer makes comments about the times within the NFL and how it was a lot different when he played the game.
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a cup of Joe live from Radio Row on a Tuesday,
Fox Sports Radio is the best of two pros and
a couple of Joe with LaVar Areas, Brady, Quinn, and
Jonas knocks on Fox Floor Radio. Tom Brady was on
the Herd with Colin Cowherd heard on many of these
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Fox Sports Radio affiliates yesterday and was talking about what
his future is gonna look like. They addressed the Fox deal.
The I don't know if you heard this, ten years,
three seventy five million, I'm sorry, ten years, three hundred
and seventy five million dollars making more doing television than
he did and what of his entire football career three
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years playing that in less times great ten years to
that's that's goat status though, Right, you get done with
doing what made you famous and they make more money. Yeah,
he's gonna be a billionaire, right, Um well, I mean
here's how it works, totality. I mean, here's how it works.
If you make three owner and study five million, cut
that in half, you're gonna pay uncle Sam man. Why
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do you do that? I mean, what did you say it? Like? What?
What do I gotta give it to you? Straight? In
order to in order to be a billionaire every time
about like your net worth, Like you've got to be
able to make more than that. You gotta be able
to make two billion. Yeah basically. Okay, let's pretend taxes
didn't exist. Okay, is he a billionaire? He'll have he'll
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that works. He probably will approach more than a billion.
We'll put it this way. Patrick Mahomes will be a billionaire. Really,
the contract he sounds like what for four and fifty million,
ten years four like that second one out the gate. Yeah,
but I don't know if Patrick Mahomes will be as
good of a broadcaster as Brady might be, just because
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let's say he plays years. Yeah, he might get it
that's awesome, Well, good for him, Um, Joe Brady, it's
just what a what a humbling feeling. No, they're gonna
be uh billionaires. It just it just makes you realize
what a what a loser you are? Like That's how
I look at it, That's how I feel about things.
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But Tom Brady did say he's going to take this
entire next year off and then the fall of is
when he is going to be taking over the reins
broadcasting at Fox. And the question becomes, what do you
do with Greg Olsen? What's the potential pairing we talked
about maybe you do something similar to the Manning cast
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with Gronk and Tom Brady, except this one might actually
be funny because that one's not, and then there's all
the other the Manning pretty funny, bro, I don't know,
I don't I don't know. You got it so bad
I was getting. The Mannings are pretty funny. Actually, I
think I think they're pretty time. I think Peyton is
super talented and Eli Eli shows more and more um
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range with the stuff that he does, like the Austin
or Kenny or Jet Powers or whatever is Cooper Manning
is the funniest Manning Cooper is pretty funny too. They're
just they're funny dudes. Man. I like him too, big
fan of Cooper, but point being Tom Brady. Tom Brady
is going to take over the reins in So how's
this gonna go? You just tell Greg Olsen, Hey, thanks man,
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go ahead and take a step back. It feels like
if it's working this well, then if Olsen continues to
get better with Kevin Burker, so what do you so,
what's the plan with Brady? Then? I mean, look, I
think you'd take the next year. And from his words,
you know, he's the type of guy that's very seems pragmatic,
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and he wants to make sure he gets a lot
of things answer it that he doesn't know and tries
to go into it as prepared as possible. And we
talked about about this before. Just because you're the greatest
of all time in the sport doesn't mean you're gonna
go into broadcasting excel. It's a completely different skill set.
So I'm sure he wants to prepare himself for that
that kind of first impression because we know how important
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that is. But it's not lasting either, right, I mean
a lot of people have mixed views on Tony Roman
to begin with more favorable than not. Now you look
at what six years down the road, a little bit
different story now. So I think he wants to learn
and understand what it takes to be a good broadcaster
and maybe sit back and watch some of it. Maybe
he wants to get involved in some capacity. Some people
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think that it's made because he's gonna be back and play,
which I don't. I don't know. I'm not a night crew,
but I think he's done. I mean, he's he's going
to probably approach broadcasting the same exact way he's approached
his career, which is he wants to be the best,
and he's going to find what that rhythm is during
this year. That's what I would assume. I mean, there's
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no reason to to jump right in it if you
don't feel as though you're properly prepared, you know. I
think that's just too much for him at this point.
I just think that's way too much of a risk
to have something where they say, well, he wasn't as
good as he was when he played ball, and and
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and so now you're talking about someone who not only
is going to prepare himself to be able to get
into broadcasting game and do it at a high level
where people are wooed and awed by what what his
his talent level is doing that. But I also bring
back the idea of he has yet to have an
off season. I mean like literally a no, no year
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of playing football, no year of doing it. And and
I would assume the type of guy that he is,
he's probably going to make sure it is a very
family heavy, heavy time period for him and his love life.
And who's to say, you're saying, come back to play football.
Maybe he's able to come back to his marriage if
that's what they're looking to do. Maybe, if that's what
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they're seeking to do, I don't know, it could be
a stretch, but I mean I think it would be
a great story. I'll tell you that it would be
a hell of a story that they they were able
to figure it out. My interpretation though, of the short
retirement he had last year, was that he did that
for a few weeks and he was like, oh, hell no,
I gotta get back to go and play. It's like,
I don't I'm not built for I'm I'm not, I'm
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not I'm past the age. It felt like it felt
a little bit like that, Like, hey man, it's not
for everyone, you know, it's it's not. It's just you know,
some guys are better than others at it. And maybe
this is not what you want to be doing. But
sometimes the harsh realities of what you thought it could
be or what it might be, those those things become
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real once it it happens. I mean, you thought it
was gonna be good being independent, and like you realize
I had my family while I was doing all of that.
It's like, you know what I mean, like what the
reality is like when you see on Instagram about the family,
that's like the highlights, right, the highlights, that's not really
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what it. Yeah if, but but but now he's got
an opportunity to see what it feels like being independent
of that. And and sometimes you realize that, you know,
maybe I like the chaos. You know, maybe I'm okay
with dealing with what comes along with, you know, being
being that person. I mean, that's that's possible. What's the
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hardest part I this one? Don't want to ask you guys.
So he played just in the NFL. He played twenty
three years, you guys, in totality for your careers, you
also played a couple of decades. If you go back
to Pop Warner in middle school all that stuff. When
it when I'm just saying like when it's but I'm
saying you played for a long time, it doesn't seem
like you played that long when you put it in
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totality like college and pros like majority of your life. Well,
college and pro put together, I played ten years. Ten years,
But that's you include. But if you include high school,
that's another four. So that's four team. You include youth,
that's another four. That's a team. But that's really a totality.
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That's not very long. Okay, But when it's all over,
what is Tom Brady looking at when he's not going
to training camp, he's now not getting ready for a game.
Is being away from the game completely? Is that gonna
what is bak enough to It's gonna be It's gonna
be a culture shock. I mean, that's the thing is
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he is so regimented and in such a routine it's
gonna be hard for him to be able to wake
up every day. And honestly, like I think a lot
of players go through about with depression because they don't
know what to do with their time, and they don't
have that goal or they don't have that focus. So yeah,
there's probably gonna be some days where he's like, man,
I want to have something else that I'm going after,
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and so I mean, that's all I see it. But
then there's gonna be days where he's like, oh s,
like I'm free. I thought I'm hopping on the jet
we're going hair. The most interesting thing he said was
what came out about him talking to his daddy, said,
I knew I was done when his dad was like
he just got tired of getting hit. And I thought
that was really interesting that that's one way of kind
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of just summarizing it all because as a quarterback, like
there's a physicality to the game. What makes it so
enduring and tough for a quarterback is you can't fight back.
You just are walking into a boxing ring and you're
just you're just taking and like and there's there's there's
like a toughness to that, there's a grit to that,
and there's a there's a mental side to it where
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you walk into it knowing you have to do your
job and you're just gonna get hit and then and
you don't get to go and you know, hit back.
You don't get to be the hammer at any point.
You know your hammers when you throw a touchdown pass
and some guy knocks you on your ass, like you
get up, you get all excited about it, but it
doesn't mean you get to go hit that guy back
and that And that's the tough thing is I think
he made it twenty three years through all of that
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brutality and everything else, and he got to the point
where he's just like, yeah, dude, like I'm I'm done,
Like I'm done with this. So whatever it is next, Like,
I'm sure he's gonna find a lot more you know,
easy and rewarding than what it was. But again, broadcasting
is such a different realm and and it's tough because
there's sometimes people just take the personalities. Sometimes people don't.
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The other thing that I thought was pretty fun to
listen to is at least what's coming out of that
current number one crew at Fox. I mean, that group
has talked about we're gonna try to make it so
damn hard for them to make that switch whenever that
that happens, whether it's or wherever. And even Kevin Burkhardt
and some of his comments about it and talking about um,
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you know, whether or not he's thought about Tom Brady
being in the booth with him, and he said, he's like,
I haven't given any I'm not gonna say they exploit,
you know, explicative, but why not let's get red. I'm
not gonna beat out here. But what if he did
curse right now? Because not only would we get dumped,
but every other show in here would get dumped and
it is packed. Is that how that works? Yeah, if
it goes over the air, you gotta dump everybody. So
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think about it. You would actually have the power to
shut down for at least momentarily multiple radio shows across
the country. Is that true by dropping an F bomb?
Oh yeah, yeah, so literally right now, bomb the entire thing. Yeah,
shuts down. Don't do that. Let's go on. I see
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one other booth operational right now. The rest is like
tumble weeds and you know, whistling. It's it's very well
space though. I appreciate that out when I was a kid.
This is the type of spot like you'd love to
have like a paintball fighting here, you know that. We
imagine ever be far? Are you good shot? Are you
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guys a good shot. Yeah. Do you ever freeze paintballs
and then use them? Throw a couple in the freezer,
then load them up? That that that what's wrong with them?
You gotta go there, man. I'm just saying like, that's that,
that's a move. You're you're shooting ice. It's it's the
brass knuckles of paintball shooting. Throw them in the freezer
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and let it fly. Shoot him in the face. Yeah,
and then then you get right after him. Yeah, just
like that. Um so, so that means to the face,
just unbelievable. Freeze that up and what an artist. He's
got a lot of range with his art. It's every
single time. But that paintball together, That's why I would
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I mean, so, is there going to be if if
if Burkhart Olson, if Burkhart Nolson just continue to ascend.
I'm just two Jersey guys, you know, just to Jersey gus.
Are they well Burkharts are pro man. But here's the
hard part is you've already made that commitment. It's out
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there public. But Kevin and Greg have done a tremendous
job together and they like, they have this chemistry and
they've build it up and I don't know, they don't care.
It's it's say it's Tom Brady, so they don't care.
That's not enough unless maybe they got their eyes on
three man Booth. Or maybe there's another broadcaster out there
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that they say, you know, we'd love to pair Tom
up with him. We don't want to break up Burkehart Olson.
Maybe there's somebody else take out their eye on, maybe
a looming free agent one. Uh the Jonas knocks. No, no, yeah, no, no,
I'm good. You know, I like I Have you ever
done play by play? No? But I could be easy, LaVar.
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What do you think about that? Football? You know? Why not?
Bonas is a talent to do hockey would be a
pain in the ass. But football. Here's the thing is,
give me a quick boxing, Give me a quick Letterman
lamp let. Yeah, we need to hear it, need to
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hear to know it that it's a hard right hand
by back out, stepson with a jab, back out of
the body, bang bag bang, hard left hand by back
out and the round closest, and we've got ourselves a firefight.
Harold Letterman, how do you have it through three? Jim?
I got patio doing more damage as the round gets
later and later you see Marquez start to slow down
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pacial countering. His time is perfect, and he's winning all
three of these rounds. Thus far, I got thirty seven
pak Yo, Jim, what do you think Roy Well? Well, well, Jim, well, Jim,
he's peppering him with the left hand. He's peppering him
and then he's going to the body. Jim. I'm just saying,
he's got to use his feet. He's got to cut
off the ring a little bit more. Jim. You know
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what I mean. I'm just saying, you know, when you
want to be a champ like me, you gotta come
with a little bit of an unorthodox style of how
you got. You gotta throw that hook, you know what
I mean. You gotta then you gotta fade, you know,
and then you gotta then you gotta move out of
the way. Jim. Now add some British to that. You've
got lenox Lewis. Well, Jim, see where I came from? Wait,
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wait that might be that's where they call it isistico. Uh.
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know Sean Payton is now the head coach of the
Denver bronco. How you guys feeling about this? Are you
guys feeling good about it? Well? I think things are changing,
so he was. Sean Payton was asked about Russell Wilson's team.
He's got like a team of physical therapists and and
they had access to the building. It basically has like
a bunch of Alex Guerrero's who have access to the building.
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So Sean Payton was asked about that yesterday and heroes.
His response, Russell Wilson had a personal coach in the
building with access who wasn't on the staff. Not too
familiar with that. How do you feel about players having
their own people off the staff in the building access
to play. That's informed to me that that's not going
to take place here. I mean, I'm I'm unfamiliar with it.
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But our staff will be here, our players will be here,
and that'll be it. He russ, clear out your office
and get the hell out of here. Things are changing
in Denver. I mean it's interesting too that he makes
this statement publicly, and you wonder, like I have they
had a conversation. Have they spoken about this, you know
at this point it doesn't sound like it. And uh,
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if that's how he's going to communicate through the media,
this could be quick. This could be back quick, because
that could be the same way he reacts after a
game and how he handles things with Russ, which which
we look, by the way, wasn't that kind of how
Russ and Pete handle thinks that Seattle? Yeah, Champagne is
very much I mean he's just controlled. Yeah, I mean
he's in control. And you know that coming in and listen,
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if I'm Russell Wilson after the season that he just had,
I'm going I'm just going to do what Sean Payton
wants me to do. I mean, let's just be clear.
You had the opportunity to have the run of the show,
the run of the building, and the result was poor.
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It was less poor your worst season yet. So I
mean that's some people talk about falling off of a
cliff during your career. I mean, that's got to be
a cliff fall, like that's got to be one of
the most epic cliff falls in terms of looking out
of guys and elite talent and what that looked like
from this year to the next year. I think Russell
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Wilson has way more things to consider and concern himself
with moving forward than button heads with Sean Payton over
changing policies or or better yet, upholding rules and Paul
se because you're not supposed to have people what that
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it's a restricted private area because Belichick didn't, I wasn't
a fan of Guerrero. Towards the end of think about
var is saying, like Russell has his own people in
the building. Let's say that those people see something or
you know, here's something they shouldn't be hearing. It's not
private too. I mean, those people have to be under
the governance of that team, that organization. They can't be
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just you know, subcontractors are and they're kind of hanging
around the players, and you know privy it's something inside
or knowledge, whether that's injury or schematic or for gambling,
I mean, whatever the case is. It's just there's a
lot of like private things that go on and they
shouldn't be privy to them are around any of that.
And and look even if they're upstairs somewhere offen like
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their own office wing. The truth of the matter is.
It's just it's never happened before. I mean even the
greatest of all time, his guy. They had to go
open up shops somewhere else, which is how it should
be done. You want to, you want to, you want
to have your own team of physical therapy bus all stuff. Yeh,
do do it to your house. Do go else, Go
buy fitness facility and go have it. Just like TV twelve.
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Yeah that was that wasn't at the complex, right, that was?
He had it. I think somewhere yeah, in the city,
like in Patriot Place or whatever it is. I'm not
I'm not quite sure in those details. I would say
this Russell Wilson. It feels like they're like, you lack
self awareness. If you get to a point where you're
doing all these things and you think these things are
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what's gonna help you excel and reach that next step
in the pinnacle of of your craft or your career,
and yet it actually sends you the opposite direction. And
and so sometimes that's that's that's why I think you
you have these coaches who come in and they can
tell you what you either don't see her for yourself,
I don't want to believe or maybe a different way
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of doing things to help you get back on track.
And so it's probably one of those three things. But
that's what Sean Payne is in there there, dude. So
to go back to LaVar us first point, like, I
think this all comes off of like not being self
aware enough to be like, man, what am I doing?
I mean, it doesn't matter if you're talking about the
marketing campaigns, the advertisements, how he's kind of projected themselves
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like everything, like getting there with the whole let's ride
thing before. I mean they didn't go anywhere. I mean
the horse is still in the stable like they got
out to even ride and go anywhere. So sometimes you
need someone to come in there and like tell you
where you're wrong or what you need to do, or
kind of takeaway and strip away all the bs to
get back to let's just go play football us. Let's
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just go be a great quarterback. Let's not worry about,
you know, whatever else you're doing here or whatever else
you're doing here, because you're hollering out run run pass
like none of that matters, None of that matter. Go
look at your surface, maga. Go talk to the O
C man, Like what are you talking about if you
don't get that's out about face with that. By the way,
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do they still have the danger? Which do Subway still
have the danger? Yeah? Those commercials didn't stick around for long.
And listen, if anybody's got a great track record with spokesman,
I mean it's Subway for sure, you know, I mean
considering their history, so that would be the that would
be the company you'd want to trust there since there
they know how to pick has been a part of that.
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Did he I didn't add for Subway Strahan did something
of people? Then what are you doing that? And then
there was you know, yeah there's that other weirdo. Yeah,
so there was that as well too. Yeah, he got
caught up into a little bit of trouble a little bit, Yeah,
a little trouble. Hey. But back to russ Um, it's
going to be intriguing. He will be one of the
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most intriguing storylines coming into this season, even in the
off season. Does he lose the office? Yeah, or does
he get God, it's gone? But what if it's in
his contract? What if that's drawing in his contract out?
What if he doesn't want it taken out of it?
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Because what's the recourse what's he gonna. I don't know
it would be. I mean, a contract is a contract.
I don't know what he would do, But wouldn't it
be interesting if it came down to, like, contract, this
is my contract, like right there, paragraph five, Like I'm
not so coming out of my office. Here's the thing is,
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I think we would have known because all the contracts
are public right like they're fouled. You can go see them.
You can read in the language within them. If it
was in the contract, we would have seen it by now.
If there's a video game clause in Calin Murray's, we
would have seen an office you know clause in Russell Wilson's.
So it's not in the contract, all right, well then
it's gone. So if it's not contractual and listen, he
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shouldn't want to separate himself like that like dumb players.
That's the self awareness thing though, it is. Why would
you want to put on a pedestal way, especially when
you just got there. I just football is one of
those sports where social, economic, racial, any any type of
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background that you're connected to, all things are are even
two teammates like it's you're my teammate, you know what
I mean, like so when we come in. When we
come in come in here, and we go in the
weight room, we're lifting the same weights. When we go
see the trainer, we go use the same trainers. When
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we go into the locker room, we had the same
type of lockers. Like everything everything, it's it's all the same.
So if I'm a player and I'm looking at the
fact that this dude has his own office or he's
got all these dudes from his team walking around the
facility and this is Russ's building, there's going to be
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resentment from some of those guys. There's going to be
a lack of buying from some of these guys. There's
gonna be some guys that are like that's Rus, Like
he's a super slar. That's how it is. You're gonna
have those guys, but you're gonna have other guys that's
like he ain't one of us, Like you're not one
of us, And you don't want to be in a
locker room where the guys you're gonna go to war
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with on on Sundays is looking at you like like
w tf, you know what I mean, Like, who are you?
Who's the guy Payton didn't do it when he was there,
all right. I mean Tom Brady didn't do it in
New England or in Tampa as far as conducting himself
in that man. I mean, you can go through the
list of Hall of Fame quarterbacks that didn't do it.
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I just think I bring up self aware inescently because
there's a thing about e Q. Right, It's called, you know,
emotional intelligence. That's it's gotta basically being able to read
the room. It's really important for a leader. It's really
important for someone as a quarterbackers in that position because
to what you're talking about, you gotta get guys to
elevate their level of play. You gotta get guys who
want to play for you. And if you think about
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really what happened in transpired in Seattle, is he he
lost the locker room. It wasn't Pete the lost locker room.
Coaches lose locker rooms when they lose that sense and
feel for the guys and what they need to hear
and what they need to do and how to be successful.
Quarterbacks can lose it too, And I think you lose
it when you get out of touch with the guys
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you're playing with and you start separating yourselves from the
guys you're playing with, and all of a sudden, your
goals and you know what you're trying to accomplish aren't aligned,
and it becomes bigger than the team. Well, and that's
the worst thing you can do as a leader, is
not make everything about the team about everyone else beside yourself.
And I think this problem it predates when he got
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to Denver. It's why when they played Seattle this year
and you saw so many Seattle Seahawks come back and
almost you want to root against them. What did see
Seattle win? And it's it's it's because he lost a
lot of that because the lack of self awareness with
it all. I mean, was it all like to me?
I always ask a question, Was it always like that?
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And it just became public knowledge. It doesn't seem like
people I was with him in his second year, It
was not like that. It wasn't like that. But they
hadn't won a super Bowl yet and they ended up
winning that year, and it was different. You know, he
was young. They were very very much led by their
defense and a lot of those stronger personalities, guys like
Richard Serman, Red Bryant, Cliff Avril. Uh, you know, Bobby
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Wax was still young right there, the same draft class.
So it was it was a defensive lead team, but
the guys who really were the most outspoken, and that
was a very very unique locker room environment, like the
locker room handled everything like that was it was. It
was very unique in that sense. And you know, Russell
did his job, but you know, and Marshall was there
in the backfield, but it was not like one where
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you know, it's it's Tom Bradier, Payton Mannue walking u
him said anything. Now. I don't know if that changed
once they won, once they went to back to back,
once he started to play and become a consistently Pro
Bowl caliber player, but at that point, that was not
how that team was constructed. It comes across very entry
thing as a as a spectator as to how he
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handles his his situations. I mean, it's it's definitely about
a persona, right, I mean, let's be clear, everything that
he does is connected to uh, faith based, family based,
strong leader, super megastar, megapower couple persona. And when you're
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you know, when you're building that type of of persona,
you gotta be careful and understanding that you could be
building that for the better good of what you're doing. Right,
you want people to to to be you know, christ like, Great,
that's your deal. That's your deal. You want people to
be family oriented, Great, that's your deal. That's your deal.
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And you talked about that, that kind of the perception
of of who he is and and raising guys as
level and putting that first. I don't care what your
agenda is. Just make sure I feel warton, like if
Russell Wilson can learn to embrace that. Listen, that's all
these things you have, all your agenda's greet Just make
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sure me like your teammate, like your your teammates, make
sure we feel special. That's all you could do. All that,
and you know what, I'll support you. You want to
go to church, let's go. So you don't know what
he's like a joelos T knockoff. He could be. He
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Trent Dilfer, it was thirty for thirty leaves. That the
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the credit we're gonna give on this thirty for thirty.
So we're looking at here, that's what I have on
the sheet, all right? So he had he Trent dilfor
the Super Bowl winning quarterback back in the day. Now
the head coach is at U A B. Is that
he's at the head coach there? He asked Trent, a
brand new head coach. He was at Lipscomb Academy in Nashville,
one of the top high school football programs in the country,
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and he had this to say about a couple of
quarterbacks in the NFL. Modern day game does not impress me.
It's super easy when you don't get as a quarterback,
and when you can't reroute receivers and when you can't
hit guys across the middle. I love Tom Brady, Lover
and Rogers. I love these guys. It's not impressive. What's
impressive is what they So how about it? Who's your
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pointing to? And he said what they did? I think
he's pointing out Brady and Rogers, isn't he? No, he's
calling out with the games that today and some I'm saying,
there's other people there in the crowd. I wasn't exactly
sure who he's pointing to what they did. I think
the general consensus is he's discussing probably the rules and
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how they're set up to protect quarterbacks now versus what
they were back then. I could rattle off quarterbacks that
would be better than him when he played. Luca Pria
grab starters in the league right now, and if they
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were on the same team as Trent dial For, he
wouldn't be starting. You mean that Ravens team didn't win
because of the quarterback. So what you're trying to say?
I would say this though, Um what strikes me is
like I just I don't really understand, Like if you
I guess you want to question the direction of the
league's going because of how they're protecting quarterbacks. Okay, that's
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that's fair, that's fine. It's not like what it used
to be. But they also understand that when you lose
your starting quarterback, I mean even a guy who was
the third string starting quarterback in the NFC Championship game
when they lost them, they had nothing. And so that's
usually what happens to a season for most teams that
lose their starting quarterback. They're not able to overcome losing
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a start and having a backup play well and then
a third string guy played well like Thetys did. That's
a very rare circumstance. So the NFL is trying to protect,
you know, the competitiveness of the game and and all
the money they're making off all these TV networks so
that they can sell these games, right, But I also
feel like quarterback play is as good as it's ever been.
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That's why so many young guys come into the league
and can do what they're doing. It's not because they're
not getting hit, because I would also argue that eyes
are still there as fast as they've ever been, They
hit as hard as they've ever been it might be different,
but they're still putting hits on quarterbacks, still doing all
of that. I don't not just I'm not sure why
some people, you know, take these these shots. I want
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to down these hills. So I was looking up because
I was thinking of just in the Russell Wilson, but
it ties back to the quarterback position and the quality
of play. So I was thinking, if you look at
the Russell Wilson scenario, big time trade for a lot
of picks goes over the first season was a disaster,
what's the comp to that? And the only one I
could come up with is Jay Cutler, who got traded
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multiple first round picks goes to the Bears. And I thought, yeah,
but his first season wasn't as bad as Russell Wilson.
Cutler through twenty six picks that year, is that bad? Like,
But to your point on the quarterback position, we were
talking this year when Derek Carr had the lead and
he had fourteen like where like say half of what
it was considered thed like, I mean, Davis Winston through
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thirty That wasn't that long ago. So just in that
short amount of time, you've seen just if you just
go by that category alone, They're not like turning the
ball over at rapid numbers and that was the norm.
Member Eli Manning led the league in interceptions one year,
and we're talking about him like he's a Hall of Famer,
like he's gonna go to the Hall of Fame. I
think the protection they've provided the receivers now being being
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in the act of catching, considering them defenseless. Now that's
changed the game. Because as a quarterback, I mean you, naturally,
when you see a guy running towards another defender, you're
gonna throw the ball behind him. It's just human nature.
You don't want to throw a pick. You don't want
to have your guy get hung out to dry, and
so you will. Literally you're gonna do it as many
times as you want. You will not find a quarterback
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who's gonna be able to lead his guy into that defender. Now,
if you ever see it happened in the game, I
guarantee the quarterback didn't see the defender and that's why
he was able to lead him. But naturally he sees
the guy, he's gonna try to slow him down, put
on his back shull or back hip. I just I
feel like now with the way they're protected. Quarterbacks feel
more in Bolden to throw it up into tight windows
and take chances because they know those guys aren't getting
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hit the same way they used to be hit. Where
it was night night. You know, those guys were hurt
in a serious way based on how defenders used to
be able to play the game. They can't play that way.
Remember that Kurt Warner and Kuan Bolden play where he
threw him. I think he might am Kuan Bolden minor
broken his jaw, and Kurt Warner was talking about he
didn't know if he wanted to play football anymore. He
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felt so bad about leading him into the hit that
he just say it really bothered him. Was that a
part of the documentary? I don't know if that was
or the movie. Yeah, I'm not not sure if it was.
Don't worry, Lee, that's probably all one price for the
Kurt Warner movie when you go to AMC. There's not
it's not teared pricing for that movie if you want
to go check that out. You know, the interesting thing
about what I said I let off with I wasn't
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trying to be insulting towards towards Trent Dilfer. Isn't he
being insulting towards Britty and Rogerston. Well, we'll think about this,
like everything you guys just said. Like, first of all,
he's thrown more interceptions. He threw more interceptions in his
career than he did touchdowns. He did do that. Um.
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He also don't say that, father, stop doing. He was
also signed to that Ravens team as a backup. He
was brought in to be it. Now, he was six
overall pick. It was a bowler he took over. It
was a Buller after him. Buller was after I don't
I don't recall the quarterback, but I do recall he
was brought in to be a backup. Now here's what's interesting.
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They win the Super Bowl, he gets released and they've
got Elvis Gurby. Yeah, he gets released after winning a
Super Bowl and and basically was a backup the rest
of the way of his career. So to me, my,
my whole thing is, if you're going to throw throw observations,
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it's strong is that you're not impressed by today's quarterback.
I would say, because you played the game and you
had the opportunity in a moment to to win a
Super Bowl as a starting quarterback, Like I would be
more positive about my my assessments even if I felt
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in my heart what he said, I just I it.
I feel like, why do that? Because when you do that,
when you shine that light on what you feel is
not good and how you're not impressed and this and that,
then everybody's gonna be like, Okay. It's easy to say
a reporter like, oh, you're a reporter. You never played,
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like you don't know anything, and it's kind of like
you brush it off. But this guy did play, and
he is a Super Bowl chat So people are gonna
start dissecting you. They're gonna start looking at your body
of work. I already saw some guy tagged a clip
or dil for air bail. There was a wide open
um go route on the sideline and he just threw
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it out a bounce and like that. That's the response
you're gonna get from a lot of people, right like,
and it's not going to be unwarranted. The problem here
about somebody having that in their back pocket. It was
a clip from like twenty some years ago. And listen,
he might be a fine coach. I don't think this
has anything to do with him. He's a he's a
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good guy too. And that's why I don't really understand it,
because what you really could do and what you could say,
and I think, look, I fall victim to this. Sometimes
things don't come out the way I want to portray them. Always, Um, well,
I don't communicate it the proper way. But what you
what you could say is, you know, look, the game
was harder to play. It was harder to play quarterback
back then like that. That's all you need to say
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is it was hard because it's more physical. And he
would be right well, and by the way he would be,
you could reach out body would have a problem with
You could reach out to Tom Brady and go he Tom,
you were winning super Bowls during this era, would you agree,
like you were getting hit worse than you know you were.
You know, in an era where we had dropped back
a little bit, We weren't shotgun a ton. It was
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a lot of you know, play action, you know, other
things off of it. It wasn't like the game is
now one and a half. At one point you got
two steps, then it went down to one and a half.
But it was always no, no less than one and
a half, Like you could get if you got one
and a half as the balls released, like like, let's
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like think about this ball's release one two right now,
So you don't you don't even get that type of space.
The I mean, you touch them the wrong way. It's
a flag. So to me, I mean we were slamming quarterbacks,
we were taking them down to the ground him however
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you wanted to hit him, and and so I would
say if if he was just pointing out the obvious
that it was more brutal, there was more brutality towards
quarterbacks in his era, that's fine. But to say I'm
I'm not impressed, that's like, come on man, now, now
you're basically saying like, well, you know, the whole argument
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if if Michael Jordan played in today's NBA, he would
be averaging such and such and such like because you
can't touch them likes Michael Jordan's Michael Jordan's, well, you
get you don't have an argument against that. I just
don't know how you can't be impressed considering how how
it's Trent Ifer. I mean, Tom Brady's turning mate. They're
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like four or five years apart, and how long have
you been out of the game well, and that I
just look at it and go, what's not impressive about that?
The fact that the guy has been able to play
at such a high level for so long, I mean
even this past year. Say whatever you want about it,
he's still hit. I mean the marks for being a
guy that you look at, you say, he's one of
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the top quarterbacks in the league without much you know,
running running help with were warts, balancing their offense without
you know, great protection all the time. And I just
led league attempts his final two years in the NFL
at forty four, and his body of work is just
not good enough for him to lob out a criticism
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like that, even if it was, like I mean, even
if he was, I'm not even sure, Like evens Joe
Montana saying it. I just look at it and go, okay,
But like, why do you have to phrase it like that, Like,
but it's Joe Montana And you could be like, you
know what, like he's flexing, that's a flex Like it
might not even be true, but it's Joe Montana, Like
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Joe Montana said, if you're like Joe Montana, if Joe
Montana was in this era, Joe Montana would be throwing
touchdowns or doing this Like, okay, that's a discussion point.
It's a discussion, but it's like if you haven't achieved
to that level, people are going to to Now even
with Joe Montana, people are going to be like, well,
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what did Joe Montana do. You're gonna look at what
Joe Maya. Oh, that's what Joe Montana did because you
brought that, you brought that attention your way back with
that criticism. That's all I'm saying. Whether it's true or not. Yeah,
whether it's true or not, I get that. But we
get pundits in the media who say stuff all the
time and then and then they haven't played. So it's
it is what it is. But you're around my points.
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Just look, you can just say it in a different
way where you don't have to look like you're being caddy.
You're taking a shot of guys. I mean Tom Brady's something. Yeah,
you know what Tombody's doing something will never see anyone
do again. And and to sit there and say like,
I don't know how that's not impressive. I really don't.
And I think you know, even though the games were
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spread out and maybe it's easier to throw the football
at times. I still do think there's an elements of
the game that have gotten more difficult. You know that
with the speed of the defensive players, all the different looks,
different things they can do, there are some more difficulties
that the game has gotten for a quarterback to what
it used to be. And the skill level for quarterbacks
is significantly the skill level of everyone is significantly increasing.
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I was just gonna so I remember talking to T. J.
Houshman Zada, who, by the way, you can hear with
LaVar and up on game right before the jo jone
is not shoe big time, and he was saying that
it starts so young that you go to some of
these camps and these high schoolers or kids getting into
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high school that are playing receiver are just on another level.
And it just you've seen it over the past couple
of years.
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a couple of Joe with LaVar Areas, Brady, Quinn, and
Jonas knocks on Fox Floor Radio. Tom Brady was on
the Herd with Colin Cowherd heard on many of these
(00:41):
Fox Sports Radio affiliates yesterday and was talking about what
his future is gonna look like. They addressed the Fox deal.
The I don't know if you heard this, ten years,
three seventy five million, I'm sorry, ten years, three hundred
and seventy five million dollars making more doing television than
he did and what of his entire football career three
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years playing that in less times great ten years to
that's that's goat status though, Right, you get done with
doing what made you famous and they make more money. Yeah,
he's gonna be a billionaire, right, Um well, I mean
here's how it works, totality. I mean, here's how it works.
If you make three owner and study five million, cut
that in half, you're gonna pay uncle Sam man. Why
(01:25):
do you do that? I mean, what did you say it? Like? What?
What do I gotta give it to you? Straight? In
order to in order to be a billionaire every time
about like your net worth, Like you've got to be
able to make more than that. You gotta be able
to make two billion. Yeah basically. Okay, let's pretend taxes
didn't exist. Okay, is he a billionaire? He'll have he'll
(01:47):
that works. He probably will approach more than a billion.
We'll put it this way. Patrick Mahomes will be a billionaire. Really,
the contract he sounds like what for four and fifty million,
ten years four like that second one out the gate. Yeah,
but I don't know if Patrick Mahomes will be as
good of a broadcaster as Brady might be, just because
(02:07):
let's say he plays years. Yeah, he might get it
that's awesome, Well, good for him, Um, Joe Brady, it's
just what a what a humbling feeling. No, they're gonna
be uh billionaires. It just it just makes you realize
what a what a loser you are? Like That's how
I look at it, That's how I feel about things.
(02:29):
But Tom Brady did say he's going to take this
entire next year off and then the fall of is
when he is going to be taking over the reins
broadcasting at Fox. And the question becomes, what do you
do with Greg Olsen? What's the potential pairing we talked
about maybe you do something similar to the Manning cast
(02:49):
with Gronk and Tom Brady, except this one might actually
be funny because that one's not, and then there's all
the other the Manning pretty funny, bro, I don't know,
I don't I don't know. You got it so bad
I was getting. The Mannings are pretty funny. Actually, I
think I think they're pretty time. I think Peyton is
super talented and Eli Eli shows more and more um
(03:12):
range with the stuff that he does, like the Austin
or Kenny or Jet Powers or whatever is Cooper Manning
is the funniest Manning Cooper is pretty funny too. They're
just they're funny dudes. Man. I like him too, big
fan of Cooper, but point being Tom Brady. Tom Brady
is going to take over the reins in So how's
this gonna go? You just tell Greg Olsen, Hey, thanks man,
(03:36):
go ahead and take a step back. It feels like
if it's working this well, then if Olsen continues to
get better with Kevin Burker, so what do you so,
what's the plan with Brady? Then? I mean, look, I
think you'd take the next year. And from his words,
you know, he's the type of guy that's very seems pragmatic,
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and he wants to make sure he gets a lot
of things answer it that he doesn't know and tries
to go into it as prepared as possible. And we
talked about about this before. Just because you're the greatest
of all time in the sport doesn't mean you're gonna
go into broadcasting excel. It's a completely different skill set.
So I'm sure he wants to prepare himself for that
that kind of first impression because we know how important
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that is. But it's not lasting either, right, I mean
a lot of people have mixed views on Tony Roman
to begin with more favorable than not. Now you look
at what six years down the road, a little bit
different story now. So I think he wants to learn
and understand what it takes to be a good broadcaster
and maybe sit back and watch some of it. Maybe
he wants to get involved in some capacity. Some people
(04:38):
think that it's made because he's gonna be back and play,
which I don't. I don't know. I'm not a night crew,
but I think he's done. I mean, he's he's going
to probably approach broadcasting the same exact way he's approached
his career, which is he wants to be the best,
and he's going to find what that rhythm is during
this year. That's what I would assume. I mean, there's
(05:00):
no reason to to jump right in it if you
don't feel as though you're properly prepared, you know. I
think that's just too much for him at this point.
I just think that's way too much of a risk
to have something where they say, well, he wasn't as
good as he was when he played ball, and and
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and so now you're talking about someone who not only
is going to prepare himself to be able to get
into broadcasting game and do it at a high level
where people are wooed and awed by what what his
his talent level is doing that. But I also bring
back the idea of he has yet to have an
off season. I mean like literally a no, no year
(05:46):
of playing football, no year of doing it. And and
I would assume the type of guy that he is,
he's probably going to make sure it is a very
family heavy, heavy time period for him and his love life.
And who's to say, you're saying, come back to play football.
Maybe he's able to come back to his marriage if
that's what they're looking to do. Maybe, if that's what
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they're seeking to do, I don't know, it could be
a stretch, but I mean I think it would be
a great story. I'll tell you that it would be
a hell of a story that they they were able
to figure it out. My interpretation though, of the short
retirement he had last year, was that he did that
for a few weeks and he was like, oh, hell no,
I gotta get back to go and play. It's like,
I don't I'm not built for I'm I'm not, I'm
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not I'm past the age. It felt like it felt
a little bit like that, Like, hey man, it's not
for everyone, you know, it's it's not. It's just you know,
some guys are better than others at it. And maybe
this is not what you want to be doing. But
sometimes the harsh realities of what you thought it could
be or what it might be, those those things become
(06:51):
real once it it happens. I mean, you thought it
was gonna be good being independent, and like you realize
I had my family while I was doing all of that.
It's like, you know what I mean, like what the
reality is like when you see on Instagram about the family,
that's like the highlights, right, the highlights, that's not really
(07:11):
what it. Yeah if, but but but now he's got
an opportunity to see what it feels like being independent
of that. And and sometimes you realize that, you know,
maybe I like the chaos. You know, maybe I'm okay
with dealing with what comes along with, you know, being
being that person. I mean, that's that's possible. What's the
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hardest part I this one? Don't want to ask you guys.
So he played just in the NFL. He played twenty
three years, you guys, in totality for your careers, you
also played a couple of decades. If you go back
to Pop Warner in middle school all that stuff. When
it when I'm just saying like when it's but I'm
saying you played for a long time, it doesn't seem
like you played that long when you put it in
(07:55):
totality like college and pros like majority of your life. Well,
college and pro put together, I played ten years. Ten years,
But that's you include. But if you include high school,
that's another four. So that's four team. You include youth,
that's another four. That's a team. But that's really a totality.
(08:17):
That's not very long. Okay, But when it's all over,
what is Tom Brady looking at when he's not going
to training camp, he's now not getting ready for a game.
Is being away from the game completely? Is that gonna
what is bak enough to It's gonna be It's gonna
be a culture shock. I mean, that's the thing is
(08:39):
he is so regimented and in such a routine it's
gonna be hard for him to be able to wake
up every day. And honestly, like I think a lot
of players go through about with depression because they don't
know what to do with their time, and they don't
have that goal or they don't have that focus. So yeah,
there's probably gonna be some days where he's like, man,
I want to have something else that I'm going after,
(09:02):
and so I mean, that's all I see it. But
then there's gonna be days where he's like, oh s,
like I'm free. I thought I'm hopping on the jet
we're going hair. The most interesting thing he said was
what came out about him talking to his daddy, said,
I knew I was done when his dad was like
he just got tired of getting hit. And I thought
that was really interesting that that's one way of kind
(09:24):
of just summarizing it all because as a quarterback, like
there's a physicality to the game. What makes it so
enduring and tough for a quarterback is you can't fight back.
You just are walking into a boxing ring and you're
just you're just taking and like and there's there's there's
like a toughness to that, there's a grit to that,
and there's a there's a mental side to it where
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you walk into it knowing you have to do your
job and you're just gonna get hit and then and
you don't get to go and you know, hit back.
You don't get to be the hammer at any point.
You know your hammers when you throw a touchdown pass
and some guy knocks you on your ass, like you
get up, you get all excited about it, but it
doesn't mean you get to go hit that guy back
and that And that's the tough thing is I think
he made it twenty three years through all of that
(10:06):
brutality and everything else, and he got to the point
where he's just like, yeah, dude, like I'm I'm done,
Like I'm done with this. So whatever it is next, Like,
I'm sure he's gonna find a lot more you know,
easy and rewarding than what it was. But again, broadcasting
is such a different realm and and it's tough because
there's sometimes people just take the personalities. Sometimes people don't.
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The other thing that I thought was pretty fun to
listen to is at least what's coming out of that
current number one crew at Fox. I mean, that group
has talked about we're gonna try to make it so
damn hard for them to make that switch whenever that
that happens, whether it's or wherever. And even Kevin Burkhardt
and some of his comments about it and talking about um,
(10:48):
you know, whether or not he's thought about Tom Brady
being in the booth with him, and he said, he's like,
I haven't given any I'm not gonna say they exploit,
you know, explicative, but why not let's get red. I'm
not gonna beat out here. But what if he did
curse right now? Because not only would we get dumped,
but every other show in here would get dumped and
it is packed. Is that how that works? Yeah, if
it goes over the air, you gotta dump everybody. So
(11:10):
think about it. You would actually have the power to
shut down for at least momentarily multiple radio shows across
the country. Is that true by dropping an F bomb?
Oh yeah, yeah, so literally right now, bomb the entire thing. Yeah,
shuts down. Don't do that. Let's go on. I see
(11:31):
one other booth operational right now. The rest is like
tumble weeds and you know, whistling. It's it's very well
space though. I appreciate that out when I was a kid.
This is the type of spot like you'd love to
have like a paintball fighting here, you know that. We
imagine ever be far? Are you good shot? Are you
(11:52):
guys a good shot. Yeah. Do you ever freeze paintballs
and then use them? Throw a couple in the freezer,
then load them up? That that that what's wrong with them?
You gotta go there, man. I'm just saying like, that's that,
that's a move. You're you're shooting ice. It's it's the
brass knuckles of paintball shooting. Throw them in the freezer
(12:12):
and let it fly. Shoot him in the face. Yeah,
and then then you get right after him. Yeah, just
like that. Um so, so that means to the face,
just unbelievable. Freeze that up and what an artist. He's
got a lot of range with his art. It's every
single time. But that paintball together, That's why I would
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I mean, so, is there going to be if if
if Burkhart Olson, if Burkhart Nolson just continue to ascend.
I'm just two Jersey guys, you know, just to Jersey gus.
Are they well Burkharts are pro man. But here's the
hard part is you've already made that commitment. It's out
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there public. But Kevin and Greg have done a tremendous
job together and they like, they have this chemistry and
they've build it up and I don't know, they don't care.
It's it's say it's Tom Brady, so they don't care.
That's not enough unless maybe they got their eyes on
three man Booth. Or maybe there's another broadcaster out there
(13:19):
that they say, you know, we'd love to pair Tom
up with him. We don't want to break up Burkehart Olson.
Maybe there's somebody else take out their eye on, maybe
a looming free agent one. Uh the Jonas knocks. No, no, yeah, no, no,
I'm good. You know, I like I Have you ever
done play by play? No? But I could be easy, LaVar.
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What do you think about that? Football? You know? Why not?
Bonas is a talent to do hockey would be a
pain in the ass. But football. Here's the thing is,
give me a quick boxing, Give me a quick Letterman
lamp let. Yeah, we need to hear it, need to
(14:00):
hear to know it that it's a hard right hand
by back out, stepson with a jab, back out of
the body, bang bag bang, hard left hand by back
out and the round closest, and we've got ourselves a firefight.
Harold Letterman, how do you have it through three? Jim?
I got patio doing more damage as the round gets
later and later you see Marquez start to slow down
(14:23):
pacial countering. His time is perfect, and he's winning all
three of these rounds. Thus far, I got thirty seven
pak Yo, Jim, what do you think Roy Well? Well, well, Jim, well, Jim,
he's peppering him with the left hand. He's peppering him
and then he's going to the body. Jim. I'm just saying,
he's got to use his feet. He's got to cut
off the ring a little bit more. Jim. You know
(14:44):
what I mean. I'm just saying, you know, when you
want to be a champ like me, you gotta come
with a little bit of an unorthodox style of how
you got. You gotta throw that hook, you know what
I mean. You gotta then you gotta fade, you know,
and then you gotta then you gotta move out of
the way. Jim. Now add some British to that. You've
got lenox Lewis. Well, Jim, see where I came from? Wait,
(15:07):
wait that might be that's where they call it isistico. Uh.
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(15:28):
know Sean Payton is now the head coach of the
Denver bronco. How you guys feeling about this? Are you
guys feeling good about it? Well? I think things are changing,
so he was. Sean Payton was asked about Russell Wilson's team.
He's got like a team of physical therapists and and
they had access to the building. It basically has like
a bunch of Alex Guerrero's who have access to the building.
(15:51):
So Sean Payton was asked about that yesterday and heroes.
His response, Russell Wilson had a personal coach in the
building with access who wasn't on the staff. Not too
familiar with that. How do you feel about players having
their own people off the staff in the building access
to play. That's informed to me that that's not going
to take place here. I mean, I'm I'm unfamiliar with it.
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But our staff will be here, our players will be here,
and that'll be it. He russ, clear out your office
and get the hell out of here. Things are changing
in Denver. I mean it's interesting too that he makes
this statement publicly, and you wonder, like I have they
had a conversation. Have they spoken about this, you know
at this point it doesn't sound like it. And uh,
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if that's how he's going to communicate through the media,
this could be quick. This could be back quick, because
that could be the same way he reacts after a
game and how he handles things with Russ, which which
we look, by the way, wasn't that kind of how
Russ and Pete handle thinks that Seattle? Yeah, Champagne is
very much I mean he's just controlled. Yeah, I mean
he's in control. And you know that coming in and listen,
(16:57):
if I'm Russell Wilson after the season that he just had,
I'm going I'm just going to do what Sean Payton
wants me to do. I mean, let's just be clear.
You had the opportunity to have the run of the show,
the run of the building, and the result was poor.
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It was less poor your worst season yet. So I
mean that's some people talk about falling off of a
cliff during your career. I mean, that's got to be
a cliff fall, like that's got to be one of
the most epic cliff falls in terms of looking out
of guys and elite talent and what that looked like
from this year to the next year. I think Russell
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Wilson has way more things to consider and concern himself
with moving forward than button heads with Sean Payton over
changing policies or or better yet, upholding rules and Paul
se because you're not supposed to have people what that
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it's a restricted private area because Belichick didn't, I wasn't
a fan of Guerrero. Towards the end of think about
var is saying, like Russell has his own people in
the building. Let's say that those people see something or
you know, here's something they shouldn't be hearing. It's not
private too. I mean, those people have to be under
the governance of that team, that organization. They can't be
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just you know, subcontractors are and they're kind of hanging
around the players, and you know privy it's something inside
or knowledge, whether that's injury or schematic or for gambling,
I mean, whatever the case is. It's just there's a
lot of like private things that go on and they
shouldn't be privy to them are around any of that.
And and look even if they're upstairs somewhere offen like
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their own office wing. The truth of the matter is.
It's just it's never happened before. I mean even the
greatest of all time, his guy. They had to go
open up shops somewhere else, which is how it should
be done. You want to, you want to, you want
to have your own team of physical therapy bus all stuff. Yeh,
do do it to your house. Do go else, Go
buy fitness facility and go have it. Just like TV twelve.
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Yeah that was that wasn't at the complex, right, that was?
He had it. I think somewhere yeah, in the city,
like in Patriot Place or whatever it is. I'm not
I'm not quite sure in those details. I would say
this Russell Wilson. It feels like they're like, you lack
self awareness. If you get to a point where you're
doing all these things and you think these things are
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what's gonna help you excel and reach that next step
in the pinnacle of of your craft or your career,
and yet it actually sends you the opposite direction. And
and so sometimes that's that's that's why I think you
you have these coaches who come in and they can
tell you what you either don't see her for yourself,
I don't want to believe or maybe a different way
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of doing things to help you get back on track.
And so it's probably one of those three things. But
that's what Sean Payne is in there there, dude. So
to go back to LaVar us first point, like, I
think this all comes off of like not being self
aware enough to be like, man, what am I doing?
I mean, it doesn't matter if you're talking about the
marketing campaigns, the advertisements, how he's kind of projected themselves
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like everything, like getting there with the whole let's ride
thing before. I mean they didn't go anywhere. I mean
the horse is still in the stable like they got
out to even ride and go anywhere. So sometimes you
need someone to come in there and like tell you
where you're wrong or what you need to do, or
kind of takeaway and strip away all the bs to
get back to let's just go play football us. Let's
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just go be a great quarterback. Let's not worry about,
you know, whatever else you're doing here or whatever else
you're doing here, because you're hollering out run run pass
like none of that matters, None of that matter. Go
look at your surface, maga. Go talk to the O
C man, Like what are you talking about if you
don't get that's out about face with that. By the way,
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do they still have the danger? Which do Subway still
have the danger? Yeah? Those commercials didn't stick around for long.
And listen, if anybody's got a great track record with spokesman,
I mean it's Subway for sure, you know, I mean
considering their history, so that would be the that would
be the company you'd want to trust there since there
they know how to pick has been a part of that.
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Did he I didn't add for Subway Strahan did something
of people? Then what are you doing that? And then
there was you know, yeah there's that other weirdo. Yeah,
so there was that as well too. Yeah, he got
caught up into a little bit of trouble a little bit, Yeah,
a little trouble. Hey. But back to russ Um, it's
going to be intriguing. He will be one of the
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most intriguing storylines coming into this season, even in the
off season. Does he lose the office? Yeah, or does
he get God, it's gone? But what if it's in
his contract? What if that's drawing in his contract out?
What if he doesn't want it taken out of it?
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Because what's the recourse what's he gonna. I don't know
it would be. I mean, a contract is a contract.
I don't know what he would do, But wouldn't it
be interesting if it came down to, like, contract, this
is my contract, like right there, paragraph five, Like I'm
not so coming out of my office. Here's the thing is,
(22:18):
I think we would have known because all the contracts
are public right like they're fouled. You can go see them.
You can read in the language within them. If it
was in the contract, we would have seen it by now.
If there's a video game clause in Calin Murray's, we
would have seen an office you know clause in Russell Wilson's.
So it's not in the contract, all right, well then
it's gone. So if it's not contractual and listen, he
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shouldn't want to separate himself like that like dumb players.
That's the self awareness thing though, it is. Why would
you want to put on a pedestal way, especially when
you just got there. I just football is one of
those sports where social, economic, racial, any any type of
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background that you're connected to, all things are are even
two teammates like it's you're my teammate, you know what
I mean, like so when we come in. When we
come in come in here, and we go in the
weight room, we're lifting the same weights. When we go
see the trainer, we go use the same trainers. When
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we go into the locker room, we had the same
type of lockers. Like everything everything, it's it's all the same.
So if I'm a player and I'm looking at the
fact that this dude has his own office or he's
got all these dudes from his team walking around the
facility and this is Russ's building, there's going to be
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resentment from some of those guys. There's going to be
a lack of buying from some of these guys. There's
gonna be some guys that are like that's Rus, Like
he's a super slar. That's how it is. You're gonna
have those guys, but you're gonna have other guys that's
like he ain't one of us, Like you're not one
of us, And you don't want to be in a
locker room where the guys you're gonna go to war
(24:12):
with on on Sundays is looking at you like like
w tf, you know what I mean, Like, who are you?
Who's the guy Payton didn't do it when he was there,
all right. I mean Tom Brady didn't do it in
New England or in Tampa as far as conducting himself
in that man. I mean, you can go through the
list of Hall of Fame quarterbacks that didn't do it.
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I just think I bring up self aware inescently because
there's a thing about e Q. Right, It's called, you know,
emotional intelligence. That's it's gotta basically being able to read
the room. It's really important for a leader. It's really
important for someone as a quarterbackers in that position because
to what you're talking about, you gotta get guys to
elevate their level of play. You gotta get guys who
want to play for you. And if you think about
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really what happened in transpired in Seattle, is he he
lost the locker room. It wasn't Pete the lost locker room.
Coaches lose locker rooms when they lose that sense and
feel for the guys and what they need to hear
and what they need to do and how to be successful.
Quarterbacks can lose it too, And I think you lose
it when you get out of touch with the guys
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you're playing with and you start separating yourselves from the
guys you're playing with, and all of a sudden, your
goals and you know what you're trying to accomplish aren't aligned,
and it becomes bigger than the team. Well, and that's
the worst thing you can do as a leader, is
not make everything about the team about everyone else beside yourself.
And I think this problem it predates when he got
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to Denver. It's why when they played Seattle this year
and you saw so many Seattle Seahawks come back and
almost you want to root against them. What did see
Seattle win? And it's it's it's because he lost a
lot of that because the lack of self awareness with
it all. I mean, was it all like to me?
I always ask a question, Was it always like that?
(25:56):
And it just became public knowledge. It doesn't seem like
people I was with him in his second year, It
was not like that. It wasn't like that. But they
hadn't won a super Bowl yet and they ended up
winning that year, and it was different. You know, he
was young. They were very very much led by their
defense and a lot of those stronger personalities, guys like
Richard Serman, Red Bryant, Cliff Avril. Uh, you know, Bobby
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Wax was still young right there, the same draft class.
So it was it was a defensive lead team, but
the guys who really were the most outspoken, and that
was a very very unique locker room environment, like the
locker room handled everything like that was it was. It
was very unique in that sense. And you know, Russell
did his job, but you know, and Marshall was there
in the backfield, but it was not like one where
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you know, it's it's Tom Bradier, Payton Mannue walking u
him said anything. Now. I don't know if that changed
once they won, once they went to back to back,
once he started to play and become a consistently Pro
Bowl caliber player, but at that point, that was not
how that team was constructed. It comes across very entry
thing as a as a spectator as to how he
(27:03):
handles his his situations. I mean, it's it's definitely about
a persona, right, I mean, let's be clear, everything that
he does is connected to uh, faith based, family based,
strong leader, super megastar, megapower couple persona. And when you're
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you know, when you're building that type of of persona,
you gotta be careful and understanding that you could be
building that for the better good of what you're doing. Right,
you want people to to to be you know, christ like, Great,
that's your deal. That's your deal. You want people to
be family oriented, Great, that's your deal. That's your deal.
(27:48):
And you talked about that, that kind of the perception
of of who he is and and raising guys as
level and putting that first. I don't care what your
agenda is. Just make sure I feel warton, like if
Russell Wilson can learn to embrace that. Listen, that's all
these things you have, all your agenda's greet Just make
(28:11):
sure me like your teammate, like your your teammates, make
sure we feel special. That's all you could do. All that,
and you know what, I'll support you. You want to
go to church, let's go. So you don't know what
he's like a joelos T knockoff. He could be. He
could be as much of that as he would want
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Trent Dilfer, it was thirty for thirty leaves. That the
(29:15):
the credit we're gonna give on this thirty for thirty.
So we're looking at here, that's what I have on
the sheet, all right? So he had he Trent dilfor
the Super Bowl winning quarterback back in the day. Now
the head coach is at U A B. Is that
he's at the head coach there? He asked Trent, a
brand new head coach. He was at Lipscomb Academy in Nashville,
one of the top high school football programs in the country,
(29:39):
and he had this to say about a couple of
quarterbacks in the NFL. Modern day game does not impress me.
It's super easy when you don't get as a quarterback,
and when you can't reroute receivers and when you can't
hit guys across the middle. I love Tom Brady, Lover
and Rogers. I love these guys. It's not impressive. What's
impressive is what they So how about it? Who's your
(30:03):
pointing to? And he said what they did? I think
he's pointing out Brady and Rogers, isn't he? No, he's
calling out with the games that today and some I'm saying,
there's other people there in the crowd. I wasn't exactly
sure who he's pointing to what they did. I think
the general consensus is he's discussing probably the rules and
(30:24):
how they're set up to protect quarterbacks now versus what
they were back then. I could rattle off quarterbacks that
would be better than him when he played. Luca Pria
grab starters in the league right now, and if they
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were on the same team as Trent dial For, he
wouldn't be starting. You mean that Ravens team didn't win
because of the quarterback. So what you're trying to say?
I would say this though, Um what strikes me is
like I just I don't really understand, Like if you
I guess you want to question the direction of the
league's going because of how they're protecting quarterbacks. Okay, that's
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that's fair, that's fine. It's not like what it used
to be. But they also understand that when you lose
your starting quarterback, I mean even a guy who was
the third string starting quarterback in the NFC Championship game
when they lost them, they had nothing. And so that's
usually what happens to a season for most teams that
lose their starting quarterback. They're not able to overcome losing
(31:31):
a start and having a backup play well and then
a third string guy played well like Thetys did. That's
a very rare circumstance. So the NFL is trying to protect,
you know, the competitiveness of the game and and all
the money they're making off all these TV networks so
that they can sell these games, right, But I also
feel like quarterback play is as good as it's ever been.
(31:52):
That's why so many young guys come into the league
and can do what they're doing. It's not because they're
not getting hit, because I would also argue that eyes
are still there as fast as they've ever been, They
hit as hard as they've ever been it might be different,
but they're still putting hits on quarterbacks, still doing all
of that. I don't not just I'm not sure why
some people, you know, take these these shots. I want
(32:14):
to down these hills. So I was looking up because
I was thinking of just in the Russell Wilson, but
it ties back to the quarterback position and the quality
of play. So I was thinking, if you look at
the Russell Wilson scenario, big time trade for a lot
of picks goes over the first season was a disaster,
what's the comp to that? And the only one I
could come up with is Jay Cutler, who got traded
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multiple first round picks goes to the Bears. And I thought, yeah,
but his first season wasn't as bad as Russell Wilson.
Cutler through twenty six picks that year, is that bad? Like,
But to your point on the quarterback position, we were
talking this year when Derek Carr had the lead and
he had fourteen like where like say half of what
it was considered thed like, I mean, Davis Winston through
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thirty That wasn't that long ago. So just in that
short amount of time, you've seen just if you just
go by that category alone, They're not like turning the
ball over at rapid numbers and that was the norm.
Member Eli Manning led the league in interceptions one year,
and we're talking about him like he's a Hall of Famer,
like he's gonna go to the Hall of Fame. I
think the protection they've provided the receivers now being being
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in the act of catching, considering them defenseless. Now that's
changed the game. Because as a quarterback, I mean you, naturally,
when you see a guy running towards another defender, you're
gonna throw the ball behind him. It's just human nature.
You don't want to throw a pick. You don't want
to have your guy get hung out to dry, and
so you will. Literally you're gonna do it as many
times as you want. You will not find a quarterback
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who's gonna be able to lead his guy into that defender. Now,
if you ever see it happened in the game, I
guarantee the quarterback didn't see the defender and that's why
he was able to lead him. But naturally he sees
the guy, he's gonna try to slow him down, put
on his back shull or back hip. I just I
feel like now with the way they're protected. Quarterbacks feel
more in Bolden to throw it up into tight windows
and take chances because they know those guys aren't getting
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hit the same way they used to be hit. Where
it was night night. You know, those guys were hurt
in a serious way based on how defenders used to
be able to play the game. They can't play that way.
Remember that Kurt Warner and Kuan Bolden play where he
threw him. I think he might am Kuan Bolden minor
broken his jaw, and Kurt Warner was talking about he
didn't know if he wanted to play football anymore. He
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felt so bad about leading him into the hit that
he just say it really bothered him. Was that a
part of the documentary? I don't know if that was
or the movie. Yeah, I'm not not sure if it was.
Don't worry, Lee, that's probably all one price for the
Kurt Warner movie when you go to AMC. There's not
it's not teared pricing for that movie if you want
to go check that out. You know, the interesting thing
about what I said I let off with I wasn't
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trying to be insulting towards towards Trent Dilfer. Isn't he
being insulting towards Britty and Rogerston. Well, we'll think about this,
like everything you guys just said. Like, first of all,
he's thrown more interceptions. He threw more interceptions in his
career than he did touchdowns. He did do that. Um.
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He also don't say that, father, stop doing. He was
also signed to that Ravens team as a backup. He
was brought in to be it. Now, he was six
overall pick. It was a bowler he took over. It
was a Buller after him. Buller was after I don't
I don't recall the quarterback, but I do recall he
was brought in to be a backup. Now here's what's interesting.
(35:37):
They win the Super Bowl, he gets released and they've
got Elvis Gurby. Yeah, he gets released after winning a
Super Bowl and and basically was a backup the rest
of the way of his career. So to me, my,
my whole thing is, if you're going to throw throw observations,
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it's strong is that you're not impressed by today's quarterback.
I would say, because you played the game and you
had the opportunity in a moment to to win a
Super Bowl as a starting quarterback, Like I would be
more positive about my my assessments even if I felt
(36:24):
in my heart what he said, I just I it.
I feel like, why do that? Because when you do that,
when you shine that light on what you feel is
not good and how you're not impressed and this and that,
then everybody's gonna be like, Okay. It's easy to say
a reporter like, oh, you're a reporter. You never played,
(36:44):
like you don't know anything, and it's kind of like
you brush it off. But this guy did play, and
he is a Super Bowl chat So people are gonna
start dissecting you. They're gonna start looking at your body
of work. I already saw some guy tagged a clip
or dil for air bail. There was a wide open
um go route on the sideline and he just threw
(37:06):
it out a bounce and like that. That's the response
you're gonna get from a lot of people, right like,
and it's not going to be unwarranted. The problem here
about somebody having that in their back pocket. It was
a clip from like twenty some years ago. And listen,
he might be a fine coach. I don't think this
has anything to do with him. He's a he's a
(37:27):
good guy too. And that's why I don't really understand it,
because what you really could do and what you could say,
and I think, look, I fall victim to this. Sometimes
things don't come out the way I want to portray them. Always, Um, well,
I don't communicate it the proper way. But what you
what you could say is, you know, look, the game
was harder to play. It was harder to play quarterback
back then like that. That's all you need to say
(37:49):
is it was hard because it's more physical. And he
would be right well, and by the way he would be,
you could reach out body would have a problem with
You could reach out to Tom Brady and go he Tom,
you were winning super Bowls during this era, would you agree,
like you were getting hit worse than you know you were.
You know, in an era where we had dropped back
a little bit, We weren't shotgun a ton. It was
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a lot of you know, play action, you know, other
things off of it. It wasn't like the game is
now one and a half. At one point you got
two steps, then it went down to one and a half.
But it was always no, no less than one and
a half, Like you could get if you got one
and a half as the balls released, like like, let's
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like think about this ball's release one two right now,
So you don't you don't even get that type of space.
The I mean, you touch them the wrong way. It's
a flag. So to me, I mean we were slamming quarterbacks,
we were taking them down to the ground him however
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you wanted to hit him, and and so I would
say if if he was just pointing out the obvious
that it was more brutal, there was more brutality towards
quarterbacks in his era, that's fine. But to say I'm
I'm not impressed, that's like, come on man, now, now
you're basically saying like, well, you know, the whole argument
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if if Michael Jordan played in today's NBA, he would
be averaging such and such and such like because you
can't touch them likes Michael Jordan's Michael Jordan's, well, you
get you don't have an argument against that. I just
don't know how you can't be impressed considering how how
it's Trent Ifer. I mean, Tom Brady's turning mate. They're
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like four or five years apart, and how long have
you been out of the game well, and that I
just look at it and go, what's not impressive about that?
The fact that the guy has been able to play
at such a high level for so long, I mean
even this past year. Say whatever you want about it,
he's still hit. I mean the marks for being a
guy that you look at, you say, he's one of
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the top quarterbacks in the league without much you know,
running running help with were warts, balancing their offense without
you know, great protection all the time. And I just
led league attempts his final two years in the NFL
at forty four, and his body of work is just
not good enough for him to lob out a criticism
(40:23):
like that, even if it was, like I mean, even
if he was, I'm not even sure, Like evens Joe
Montana saying it. I just look at it and go, okay,
But like, why do you have to phrase it like that, Like,
but it's Joe Montana And you could be like, you
know what, like he's flexing, that's a flex Like it
might not even be true, but it's Joe Montana, Like
(40:44):
Joe Montana said, if you're like Joe Montana, if Joe
Montana was in this era, Joe Montana would be throwing
touchdowns or doing this Like, okay, that's a discussion point.
It's a discussion, but it's like if you haven't achieved
to that level, people are going to to Now even
with Joe Montana, people are going to be like, well,
(41:04):
what did Joe Montana do. You're gonna look at what
Joe Maya. Oh, that's what Joe Montana did because you
brought that, you brought that attention your way back with
that criticism. That's all I'm saying. Whether it's true or not. Yeah,
whether it's true or not, I get that. But we
get pundits in the media who say stuff all the
time and then and then they haven't played. So it's
it is what it is. But you're around my points.
(41:26):
Just look, you can just say it in a different
way where you don't have to look like you're being caddy.
You're taking a shot of guys. I mean Tom Brady's something. Yeah,
you know what Tombody's doing something will never see anyone
do again. And and to sit there and say like,
I don't know how that's not impressive. I really don't.
And I think you know, even though the games were
(41:46):
spread out and maybe it's easier to throw the football
at times. I still do think there's an elements of
the game that have gotten more difficult. You know that
with the speed of the defensive players, all the different looks,
different things they can do, there are some more difficulties
that the game has gotten for a quarterback to what
it used to be. And the skill level for quarterbacks
is significantly the skill level of everyone is significantly increasing.
(42:10):
I was just gonna so I remember talking to T. J.
Houshman Zada, who, by the way, you can hear with
LaVar and up on game right before the jo jone
is not shoe big time, and he was saying that
it starts so young that you go to some of
these camps and these high schoolers or kids getting into
(42:31):
high school that are playing receiver are just on another level.
And it just you've seen it over the past couple
of years.
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