February 11, 2021 • 37 mins
Clay Travis dives back into the debate over the national anthem being played or not at the Dallas Mavericks' home games. Outkick.com's Joe Kinsey joins the show to talk Bucs' boat parade, Tom Brady's new image, and more from his latest fun articles. Clay wraps with an update on his national anthem Twitter poll, and final thoughts about Mark Cuban's timing on the matter.
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Sports Radio? Okay, lots to get into and buy lots.
I mean two stories that I really like, one the
anthem controversy in the NBA to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers celebration.
And both of these, to me are really interesting stories.
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And you might be like, what in the world do
these stories have in common and how can you connect them?
And I'm gonna do my best to connect them. Let
me start with the NFL story. Both the NFL and
the NBA had to finish how to figure out how
to play in the most polarized year of all time. Certainly,
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I shouldn't say maybe all time, the most polarized year
of most of our lives, because I don't really remember
what the NBA was like in night, and I don't
remember what the NFL was like in because I wasn't alive.
I think it's fair to say that basically, if you
are fifty or younger, which a huge percentage of my
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of my audience is, there has never been a time
where there has been more uncertainty and more contentiousness surrounding
the world of sports, more politicization for lack of a
better term. I think the NFL by and large managed
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to make it through relatively unscathed. Now, super Bowl ratings
were down. There are certainly a lot of you out
there that we're like, Man, I wanted to sit and
watch the Super Bowl and instead all these ridiculous, woke
commercials were on. I wanted to laugh, I wanted to
be entertained, and sports used to be my escape and
now it's extremely political. And I understand that, but I
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think you could watch the NFL. This is my test.
Could you watch the NFL and not really be aware
of what was going on in the world all throughout
the NFL season, even though we had an election going on,
even though COVID was ongoing, even though they were all
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the protests and everything else. I think the answer is yes.
I think if you just had suddenly parachuted in and
you were watching the NFL and granted the crowd reaction
shots could have been different in everything else, But if
you just watched the game itself, the NFL by and
large escaped drowning in political commentary. Not to say they're
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wasn't some there were things written in the end zone. Uh,
there were things written on people's helmets. But by and large,
I thought the NFL provided an effervescent escape. If you
were talking about something new that existed this year in
the NFL, you probably would talk about all the players
after a turnover, sprinting to the end of the field
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and posing for those cameras. Uh, in celebration. And when
Tom Brady won his tenth Super Bowl, I don't think
there were very many people out there that were like, hey,
you know what, this was such a political event. I
think the NFL by and large finessed an incredibly difficult
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season political COVID, all the controversies, all of the incredibly
difficult aspects, in such a way that when the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers are having their postseason celebration parade, everybody is
focused on drunk Brady, the trophy, the Lombardi Trophy getting
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tossed from one boat to another. Heck, the fact that
the NFL even had their celebration in Tampa, and that
the players weren't wearing masks, which will probably trigger a
lot of people out there who are Corona Bros. The
fact that they managed to make so much of their
season seem very normal in an abnormal era is a
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sign of NFL success. And I would say, while there
is a lot of focus on how exactly things went down,
in the grand scheme of things, the NFL had nineties
six point four million viewers, less than they had last year,
but Lakers Heat had averaged or sorry. Game six of
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Lakers Heat had five point six million viewers. Let me
repeat that. The Super Bowl had over ninety million viewers,
ninety six point four if you count the total total audience,
I think it was like ninety one million watching on television.
NBA Finals Game six between the Lakers and the Heat
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had five point six million viewers. That's pretty wild to
think about. The NFL had almost ninety million more people
watching its sport than the NBA did. By the way,
for people out there like what the Dodgers raise average
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just about ten million viewers for the World Series. So
the World Series between the Dodgers and the Rays about
ten million so the NFL is in a different stratosphere.
By the way, college football playoffs, national Championship games, twenty
some odd million, NFL different stratosphere. Football in general in
a different stratosphere than everybody else, but the NFL in particular.
And I think that the way the season ended, the
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celebration that we saw from the Patriots, the pretty much
universal praise that rained down upon Tom Brady, the NFL brand.
They used to talk about the Shield all the time.
The Shield came through the pandemic and the election and
all of the controversies about as well as the Shield
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could have. The NFL brand, I don't believe has suffered
a massive body blow. I think that's true. I think
the NBA has got a massive body blow issue, and
I think it was just made worse by the decision
that Mark Cuban made. Mark Cuban decided on his own,
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evidently without clearing it with the NBA league office, that
he was just gonna stop playing the national anthem for
Dallas Mavericks home games. And he says, hardly anybody noticed.
There's not very many people in the stands. Fans have
not really returned. This is what I don't think the
NBA has realized. The NBA fans have not been able
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to voice their statement about the NBA players because there
really hasn't been very many crowds to speak of. So
my distinction between the NFL, which I believe you could
watch and escape the serious things in your life and
not really be aware of politics or really even COVID
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that much unless you're seeing on the sideline guys have
masks on things like that. But if you watched the
NBA in the bubble, it was impossible, even for somebody
like me who likes basketball, it was impossible not to
be overwhelmed by all of the politics. Guys don't even
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have their actual names on their jerseys. They've got Black
Lives Matter at the center of the court, they've got
everybody making political statements all the time, and the audience disappeared.
People have never watched the NBA in lower numbers in
our lives than what happened in the bubble. And that
was even though Lebron James, who has been historically the
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straw that stirs the drink, even though his team was
in the NBA Finals. I can't even imagine if the
Lakers hadn't been there, I mean, they might have had
two or three million people watching. It was disaster level ratings.
So what happens The NBA comes back and they're like
George Costanza after he quit and then showed up at
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the office the next day. He's like, just show back
up and pretend nothing happened. The NBA shows back up.
They're now out of the bubble. They're back in their arenas.
There's nothing on the court political, there's nothing on the
jerseys political. There's absolutely zero mentioned within the game itself
of any political related opinions. They were hoping to use
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that Seinfeld analogy that everybody out there just forgot about
the season that just happened. Oh all that politics, everything else.
Oh that's done, We're finished with that. We're just back
to being basketball players. They're hoping people have short memories.
They're hoping that the lasting damage to the NBA brand
is not going to be permanent. And so I can
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only imagine the reaction of Adam Silver when he saw
on Tuesday night, the New York Times and other media
outlets suddenly reporting that Mark Cuban had stopped playing the
national anthem. Because they acted with alacrity to end that decision.
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Almost immediately as this story gained power and attention, on Wednesday,
the NBA issued a statement, Hey, we're playing the national anthem.
We're not going to stop. Mark Cuban basically backed down,
kneeled to the altar of the n b A and
now they're playing the national anthem again in force everywhere.
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The problem is for the NBA, this just echoes everything
that happened last season. There are a lot of you
out there listening to me right now who are saying
I'm done with the NBA. You're big sports fans. We
got the biggest audience in all of sports. By the way,
open invite, as I've said before, to Mark Cuban to
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come on this show. There literally is no way you
can talk to more people in sports talk radio anywhere
in the country from six to nine am Eastern them
with us. You want to tape an interview, you don't
want to do it live, I'll do that. You tell
me when you want to come on, I'll do it.
I don't run from people who have different opinions than me.
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Most of the time people who have different opinions than
me running from me because they're afraid if they come
on the show, they're gonna get exposed because the logic
behind their actions is often not very well defended when
those people have to defend themselves. And if you question that,
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go back and listen to the audio of our good
friend Peter King, who came on the show all filled
with them and vinegar and vitality, after he's been taking
shots at me at his column for a long time,
and within a few minutes you were like, oh my god,
this is an unfair fight, this is not a fair debate.
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Peter King was just done. I think that's what would
happened to Mark Cuban. I think he would yell loud,
and I think he'd tried to talk over me, and
I think at the end of the debate, you guys
would be like, who Mark Cuban really doesn't have much
substance behind his actions, because that's what usually happens, right,
There's a lot of people out there that want to
take really aggressive perspectives and positions, but when they actually
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try to defend it, there's no basis to it. Some
of you out there like they shouldn't play the national anthem.
I put up a poll question tens of thousands of
you voted. You can go vote in it right now
if you'd like, at Clay Travis share your opinion over
of you said you thought that they should play the
national anthem. That's fine of you think that they shouldn't
play the national anthem. And I understand both sides of
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the argument, trust me, I do. But it's pretty clear
that even in the n b A, a league whose
fan base is certainly left leaning, that even in the
n b A, Adam Silver is like, this is a
bridge too far, even in the league that put social
justice warrior slogans on the back of jerseys, even in
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the league that put political slogans on the basketball court.
Even in that league, choosing not to play the national
anthem is a bridge too far. Choosing that the anthem
would not be played is too much. It's bad for business.
That's why Adam Silver is acting, by the way, And
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I think this is just emblematic of the larger dichotomy
between the NBA, which failed, I think fairly miserably in
its ability to respond to a challenging environment where everything
was political, where Covid was going on. I think the
NBA failed in a big way. I think they have
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done lasting damage to the overall brand of their league,
and I think Adam Silver knows it, and I think simultaneously,
the NFL has managed to finesse through a difficult situation,
and most of us out there who are NFL fans
are sitting around like, hey, where are these quarterbacks gonna
end up? Hey, let's have some fun talking about Tom
Brady not being able to Uh it's it's a walk
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hardly because he's having too much of a celebration. The
NFL is crazily the fun league, and the n b
A is the no fun league. Remember it used to
be that everybody characterized the NFL is a no fun league. Oh,
they'll penalize celebrations. Oh, nobody gets to have fun playing
football anymore. And the NBA what was their slogan, NBA
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Action is fantastic. And now the n b A is
the strident political league where they have pulled the joy
and the effervescent joy and excitement out of a league,
and the NFL has managed to somehow survive an incredibly
difficult position. I'm just fascinated by it in general. A
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lot of you certainly weighing in, and go find me
on Twitter at Clay Travis, tell me what you think.
And by the way, if you were going to decide
to do away with the national anthem, the only way
you could decide to do away with the national anthem,
in my opinion, is if you do away with it
in a time of non controversy. And that's probably the
thing that I'm most disappointed about with the Colin Kaepernick
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protests fallout. The protest fallout has not turned out to
be about anything other than the national anthem is now
political for many people, and I liked, and maybe this
is me being an old guy, I liked the idea,
as I aged, of the national anthem playing and everybody
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out there taking a moment to think about how fortunate
we are all are to live in America, and how
fortunate we are all are for the sacrifices that others
have made so that we can show up and spend
our time and money watching a sporting event. I understand
the argument the national anthem shouldn't be played because it's divisive.
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What I'm telling you is I regret that we have
ever ended up in a place in the United States
of America where celebrating America and being proud to be
an American is in some way considered to be divisive,
because that's what I think the national anthem represents. I
could live anywhere in the world right now, I choose
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to live in America, and people are dying to try
to get in here every single day because we are
the best and greatest country that has ever existed. And
I think the people who take it the most for
granted are very often the people who were born here.
Because I'll tell you this much, those immigrants dying to
try to get in this country. There ain't a lot
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of other countries out there in the world where people
die to try to get inside. Why are they doing that?
Because the soil that we stand on every single day.
Very often Americans take it for granted. And I think
that's what Mark cubans doing. I think that's what he
did when he decided to stop playing the national Anthem.
I think there are a lot of people out there
making a bad choice and not understanding the larger perspective
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of how fortunate we all are to be here where
we can make decisions and choices because we have basic
human rights, unlike all the NBA's partners in China. All right,
when we come back Joe Kenzie will join us. We're
gonna have some fun talking about the latest on the
Tampa Bay Buccaneer celebration. Drunk, Tom Brady, the Lombardi Trophy,
almost went into the river, all that more. This is
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lot of people are losing their minds over the NBA
national anthem, and we've obviously been talking about that, but
we're not gonna draw you into the anthem controversy. Instead,
we're gonna go straight to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and
the party of their Super Bowl. So there are so
many different angles that are awesome about this party, but
I want to start with this Tom Brady drunk, forty
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three year old. I believe, dad of three, how much
did you enjoy seeing Tom Brady stumble around drunk? And
you're you've been on social media a long time. We
were talking about in the second hour of the program
with Shannon Spake, have Bay sickly Brady's people mastered social
media because I'm not sure that there's any athlete out
there that was kind of not really that beloved. I
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think it's fair to say for Tom Brady, but they
have spun social media so much in their favor with
the videos that they share in the window that they
provide to his life, that it actually makes him a
lot more likable. I think, am I crazy? Or you
buy in there? Clay, the internet absolutely now of Tom
Brady can't do anything wrong. He's not He doesn't worn
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a mask in a month that they can't even they
can't even bashibone or not wearing a mask. Clay. Now
they're saying Tom Brady is They're literally coming out and saying,
just a little avocado tequila. That's all he had. That's
what he tweeted. But he also, uh, what is really
really funny? Is I mean that that's so fantastic? Uh?
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He tweeted not nothing to see her like just like
all this spelled stuff, right, which also feels like it
was intentional. Right, But this is uh, it's amazing. He
misspelled nothing to see left off and just a little
with a random cap avocado tequila. I mean, this whole
thing is uh. They're they're carrying him out of the
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boating area of the docks like he's weekend it burnied
and you know, he looks like he's deaf, and a
journalist is asking him, you know, how's how's you doing? Tom?
And it's like, how do you mean how are you doing?
You can tell he's bombed out of his brain. But
let's just go with it here, lady. So no, this
is this is exactly. This takes me back, Clay. This
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is like back when athletes would get drunk and not
they just didn't care back in the day. Now all
these athletes are. They care until they win a title,
and then when they win a title, they just go
bonkers and one thing leads to another and you're Tom
Brady just out of your mind. But this is awesome.
I love it. Maybe this will let some of the
uptight young athletes say let's let's just let loose a
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little bit. So I'm loving it. It is funny, like,
what do you think would have happened if the Lombardi
trophy goes in the water. I think it's way funnier
if it goes in the water. But did they even
go back and try to get it, like with scuba
divers and stuff. I mean, the NFL can just give
him a new Lombardi trophy, right, Yeah, it's ten thousand
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dollars for a replacement trophy. But just think of the
content that would come out of at the Tampa Police
dive team going into the river. Yes, it's it's it's
deep enough to handle h Brady's two million dollar yacht.
So the river, let's say it's thirty ft deep. You
know that these guys are jumping down into the river
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looking for Lombardi like it's a dead body in there,
And that would be incredible. I was rooting for it.
I'm rooting for the trophy to go in. Then of
course Brady throws a perfect Lombardi to Gronx boat and uh,
it's would have been unbelievable if that trophy went in
and sank Stirling Silver. By the way, Clay I looked
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it up. If it's real silver, we know what it does.
It goes to the bottom of the Hillsboro River. So uh,
it didn't go in and we didn't get our wish. Um.
So do you agree with me? Can you think you
cover uh and pay attention a lot to athletes profiles
on social media? You write a lot about them on
out kick in that respect? Can you think of an
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athlete who has better use social media to make himself
more liked than Brady has? Uh? And by the way,
let me say this, it's not just his team. I mean,
it's not just him. It's his team. Like, I don't
think that Brady like the videos that he's making, uh,
the jokes everything else. There's probably two or three people
that he employs to work with him on social media.
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But is there anything anybody that you can think of
in the world of sports that has used social media better?
Because there's lots of athletes who give us a window
into their life. But I don't know that it's changed
in any way our overall perspective of them. Whereas I
think for Tom Brady, he was a guy that, you know,
he was the anti everyman, right, Peyton Manning was the
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h was the guy out there that was you know,
the pizza salesman, uh, the beer drinker. You know, that
was kind of the mold that he followed. Whereas Brady
was Mr Cool, Mr g q uh, the guy with
the supermodel wife. He didn't really seem very much like
the average person, whereas Peyton Manning sold himself as the
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average person. And as a result, I think there were
a lot of people because a deflate Gate and spy
Gate and sort of the cold, i would say, joylessness
way in which much of the New England Patriot dynasty
played itself out, Brady seemed a level removed from normalcy,
and now on social media, it's just like, man, I'm like,
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I I really like this guy. Isn't it weird how
all of a sudden he leaves New England and he's
wide open? You know what was what was Belichick telling
these guys that you can't you can't live on social media.
You've gotta the Bill Belichick way was just to not
seem human, like I don't get it like this this
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is exactly the Tom Brady that we all wanted to see,
and now it feels it feels like he's like the
guy that you have a lake house next to and
you love to have beers with, Like you just want
to hang out with him, right, So I think it
has something to do with what Belichick was had going on.
And and now all of a sudden, Brady's what forty
three and he's He's put a team together. He's awesome
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about it. Now. The only other person that I think
he's not he's not as active. But John Daley does
a lot of great content, uh that you don't see
as much as Tom Brady. But again, another guy that
we all want to party with. And uh so that
would be one that I would consider. But uh think
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John just doesn't put out the volume like Tom has
been doing. You know What's what's partly interesting as you
kind of move through everything and and and look at
the way that guys classify themselves. I've got a big philosophy,
big picture statement here for you that I think is interesting. Um,
if you look at popular television shows, popular television show
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characters are popular for their flaws, not for their talents.
And let me give you a couple of examples. Walter
White breaking bad, starts to deliver to deal meth uh,
Tony Soprano, Uh, Mafia Boss. If you look at the
wire there, obviously, these are some of the most iconic
shows that are out there there are a lot of
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different characters who are not, you know, perfect angels. And
then in the real world, it's like, on some level
we expect for real humans to not have dark sides
at all and cancel. Culture is all about, Hey, if
you step outside the line just a little bit, then
we're going to cancel you. But it seems to me
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that certain parts of social media, and Brady would be
a good example, the parts that people like are not
the Hey, this guy won seven super Bowls and he's
been to ten, because people can't identify with that. But
people can identify with a forty three year old father
of three who gets to go out with his buddies
who maybe a little bit younger, and he has too
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many drinks and he's got a silly smile on his
face and he's wobbly, uh in the middle of the afternoon.
Right Like that makes Brady more likable, ironically than winning.
I think a seven super Bowl does more human clay,
and we can relate to him, right yeah, you know
what I'm like, we can we can relate to that guy.
We've been there, We've had those nights, we've been down
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and out with a little bit of a hangover, here
and there, and now all of a sudden, he's living
the life we want to live. Clay, That's why I'm here,
That's why you hired. The people want to see the stuff.
They want to see the stuff that they want to
live like these guys, and these guys had a little
bit of themselves, you know, a little bit of average
Joe in their in their lives. So love to see it.
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Absolutely love to see this. You have lived through on
the Internet. We're talking to Joe Kinzie at Joe Kinzie
e XP. You can find him on Twitter. You have
lived through the Jordan's versus Lebron debate that will not die.
It's the internet's like most overplayed topic of all time.
And there are people who have made their entire career
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in sports media off of going out and uh and
being the guy who argues for Jordan's or the guy
who argues for Lebron. Are we in danger of turning
Brady in Mahomes into the NFL's version of Jordan's versus Lebron?
M Well, I mean has a long way to go, right,
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It's true, but we started with Lebron versus Jordan's within
a couple of years of him being in the league. Yeah, yeah, no, yes,
I mean okay, so you guys in your little debate world,
not you, but you know debate shows they need a
hot topic, right, So who else do you put up?
Who else do you put up? Then Mahomes against Brady?
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But then what happens when Brady retires? Who then? Who
do you put up against him? Who do you put
up against my homes? Do you feel like don't you
feel like a guys are angling now to to be
that next guy? You know, Russell Wilson wants to move,
Deshaun Watson wants to move. Everybody's like, okay, now where
do I What do I do here? Where do I go?
And Tom Brady's like, I'm not leaving. I'm on this diet.
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This diet is making me play like I'm thirty and
I'm getting drunk in the super Bowl parade and I'm
loving life. Why quit now? So now everybody's like, okay,
well we gotta have my homes versus Brady. It's gonna
be that way for the next five years or whatever.
It is interesting to think about. Now you covered the
Super Bowl. Patrick Mahomes mom, who is not very old, right,
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isn't she the same age as Tom Brady? Actually, uh,
if I'm mistaken, I need to look that up. Clay.
I think she might be like, yeah, she's just a
couple of years different in age. I think than than
Tom Brady. In general, she wasn't happy with the officiating
in the game. I didn't see all these details, but
I understand that she was firing off on social media.
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She is the firecracker. I called her a whiner. Listen,
she whined about the officials. I called her a whiner,
But I said, this is exactly what the NFL needs.
We need a firecracker like Randy Mahomes. She's a Texan.
She just spouts off at everything, no filter. I love this.
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We need more moms like this. We need some dads
like this. We need moms and dads out there creating content.
And Randy Mahomes is that woman. She is. She is
a fire cracker. Now, her son, Jackson, he's annoying, he's
a he's a he's a ticktock loser. But she is
great for the NFL. I'm really happy the way she
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went nuts on the officials. But then you know she
was taking shots at Giselle. She she has no silver whatsoever.
She's going right after Tom Brady's wife and then Tom
Brady's parents say hello to her afterwards. She is in
the middle of everything. I told you two weeks ago.
Keep an eye on Randy Mahomes. She delivered during the
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super Bowl. She'll continue to deliver because she's like forty
five years old. She's got a long way to go here.
So everybody keep an eye on Randy Mahomes. What else
stood out to you from the Super Bowl and the
resulting week of coverage we've seen post Super Bowl? Uh,
you know, a lot of times things go viral become
big stories. Obviously, we talked about the boat parade. I
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think the Tampa Bay Buccaneers very likable team, right, I mean,
in general, Bruce arians is a coach. I think a
lot of people get behind. Ron is very very likable,
as he always has been. Brady has again used social
media to reposition kind of the way we think about him.
I think if you it's hard to like point to
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a villain on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, right, Uh, Mike
Evans seems like a pretty good dude. Chris Godwin, I mean,
all of the all of the players that that draw
a lot of attention, there's not a lot of I
guess you good point to Antonio Brown because of all
the things that he's had off the field. But even
Antonio Brown hasn't really created any kind of stir since
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he came back and joined the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. In fact,
that might be the final little bit of a nudge
that gets him into the Hall of Fame. Right. Uh so,
I feel like this is a likable team. What about
the Chiefs? Did anything kind of stand out to you
from a surprising perspective from a content angle, I didn't
really see anything out of him. I think it was
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just such a dud for the Super Bowl out of
the Chiefs. Uh. I mean Randy Mahomes going nuts. I
covered that, um, But other than that, even even Mahome's
wife for fiance or whatever, she's silent. She's thirty weeks
pregnant or whatever. And uh, they're not speaking much. It's
like that. I said that Tom Brady had to come
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in and humble these guys, and he did exactly that.
They they're on vacation, they're not even bothering running their mouths.
They're like, well, try to get them next year, and
Tom Brady is going to be in the way again
next year. So credit tom Brady. He shut up the Chiefs,
he humbled these loud mouths, and now he gets to celebrate.
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He's on top of the world again. And you're right,
the Buccaneers are like likable all of a sudden. Who
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the show, some serious topics, some not so serious topics.
I wanted to share with you the latest on the
votes as it pertains to whether the national anthems should
be played at sporting events. Tens of thousands of you
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weighing in. I'll leave the poll open for basically, I'll
try to leave these polls open for twenty four hours
all the time you can go vote in it. Do
you believe the national anthem should be played at sporting events?
Over eight percent of you say yes. Of you roughly
under it's a two to eighteen right now. Uh, do
those results surprise you at all? Dub I don't know.
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I guess the more I think about it, I kind
of am a little bit surprised. I wasn't necessarily expecting
the results to be so lopsided, with over on one
side in less than on the other, because I mean,
my personal opinion, I don't really understand exactly why it's
played in front of every single sporting event in America.
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There's eighty two NBA games, there's a hundred and sixty
two baseball games, there's a ton of soccer games. I
remember they played it in high school in front of
before our football games. So I just don't really get
why we choose to play it ahead of sporting events
and then choose not to play it ahead of you know,
stuff like going to the movies. And yeah, I think
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that's the art. That's the argument. Most of the time
at concerts and most of the time at movies, at
entertainment events, you don't play the national anthem. And so
now there are people out there listening to us right
now who are serving us, and thanks for the service
that that you provide for us. Uh. In the in
the armed forces, they play the national anthem before every
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movie on military basis. I didn't know this. Um. I
had a lot of people reach out to me because
we've talked about this issue before years and years ago.
I guess now four or five years ago and Colin
Kaepernick made this story start to emerge. I wasn't that
strongly aware of how common that was, right, I just
had no clue. And the analogy I used was, well,
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this is entertainment, and we don't. And then a lot
of people said, well, actually we do. And I just
think the challenges You can't make a move like this
after something has become political, because basically what Mark Cuban
is trying to do is dodge a controversy. Right. People
are like, oh, it's so brave of him not to
play the national anthem. No, he's aware that in Texas
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when fans start to come back, if his players are
not standing for the national anthem, many of his fans
are not going to be fans of the Dallas Mavericks.
I mean, I'm just being honest with you, because I
think I'm correcting this. All the Dallas Cowboys stand for
the national anthem, and the Dallas Stars put out their
own statement saying, hey, our guys are we're going to
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continue to play the national anthem. And I don't think
there's been very many hockey players who have kneeled or
whatever the heck that is, And so I think it's
in Dallas, a challenging spot for you to be making
this argument. We're not talking about New York City, We're
not talking about l A. We're talking about Dallas. And
so I think Mark you Been was aware that it
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was going to be bad for business, even though he
won't speak to it publicly. And so this was his
attempt to dodge the controversy by not playing the anthem
at all. I think that's what was really going on,
and instead he has reaped a whirlwind because now it's
had even more attention drawn back to it than it
would have if he had never done anything in the
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first place. So I think that's the timing is the
timing of his decision is his way off, especially considering
what happened in the bubble over the summer. And it
was like he thought that nobody was gonna notice, you know,
like at some point when fans came back, there were
gonna be people like looking around like wait a minute,
you know, because you know how it is, like you're
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standing in line for a beer. You could forget that
it happened. There's not hardly anybody in the stands right now.
Television is going to cover it differently, But to me,
the biggest takeaway here is how quickly everybody made the
decision in the NBA to say no, no, no, no,
we're playing the national anthem. That to me means the
NBA has data that reflects that their overall brand is
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struggling and that they're not going to allow another controversy
to emerge, because all it does is reinforce the fact
that the NBA won't stand up to China, but they'll
stop playing national anthems like that goes to the very
essence I think of what many Americans feel about the
NBA now and has nothing to do with the on
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Sports Radio? Okay, lots to get into and buy lots.
I mean two stories that I really like, one the
anthem controversy in the NBA to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers celebration.
And both of these, to me are really interesting stories.
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And you might be like, what in the world do
these stories have in common and how can you connect them?
And I'm gonna do my best to connect them. Let
me start with the NFL story. Both the NFL and
the NBA had to finish how to figure out how
to play in the most polarized year of all time. Certainly,
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I shouldn't say maybe all time, the most polarized year
of most of our lives, because I don't really remember
what the NBA was like in night, and I don't
remember what the NFL was like in because I wasn't alive.
I think it's fair to say that basically, if you
are fifty or younger, which a huge percentage of my
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of my audience is, there has never been a time
where there has been more uncertainty and more contentiousness surrounding
the world of sports, more politicization for lack of a
better term. I think the NFL by and large managed
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to make it through relatively unscathed. Now, super Bowl ratings
were down. There are certainly a lot of you out
there that we're like, Man, I wanted to sit and
watch the Super Bowl and instead all these ridiculous, woke
commercials were on. I wanted to laugh, I wanted to
be entertained, and sports used to be my escape and
now it's extremely political. And I understand that, but I
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think you could watch the NFL. This is my test.
Could you watch the NFL and not really be aware
of what was going on in the world all throughout
the NFL season, even though we had an election going on,
even though COVID was ongoing, even though they were all
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the protests and everything else. I think the answer is yes.
I think if you just had suddenly parachuted in and
you were watching the NFL and granted the crowd reaction
shots could have been different in everything else, But if
you just watched the game itself, the NFL by and
large escaped drowning in political commentary. Not to say they're
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wasn't some there were things written in the end zone. Uh,
there were things written on people's helmets. But by and large,
I thought the NFL provided an effervescent escape. If you
were talking about something new that existed this year in
the NFL, you probably would talk about all the players
after a turnover, sprinting to the end of the field
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and posing for those cameras. Uh, in celebration. And when
Tom Brady won his tenth Super Bowl, I don't think
there were very many people out there that were like, hey,
you know what, this was such a political event. I
think the NFL by and large finessed an incredibly difficult
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season political COVID, all the controversies, all of the incredibly
difficult aspects, in such a way that when the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers are having their postseason celebration parade, everybody is
focused on drunk Brady, the trophy, the Lombardi Trophy getting
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tossed from one boat to another. Heck, the fact that
the NFL even had their celebration in Tampa, and that
the players weren't wearing masks, which will probably trigger a
lot of people out there who are Corona Bros. The
fact that they managed to make so much of their
season seem very normal in an abnormal era is a
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sign of NFL success. And I would say, while there
is a lot of focus on how exactly things went down,
in the grand scheme of things, the NFL had nineties
six point four million viewers, less than they had last year,
but Lakers Heat had averaged or sorry. Game six of
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Lakers Heat had five point six million viewers. Let me
repeat that. The Super Bowl had over ninety million viewers,
ninety six point four if you count the total total audience,
I think it was like ninety one million watching on television.
NBA Finals Game six between the Lakers and the Heat
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had five point six million viewers. That's pretty wild to
think about. The NFL had almost ninety million more people
watching its sport than the NBA did. By the way,
for people out there like what the Dodgers raise average
(05:36):
just about ten million viewers for the World Series. So
the World Series between the Dodgers and the Rays about
ten million so the NFL is in a different stratosphere.
By the way, college football playoffs, national Championship games, twenty
some odd million, NFL different stratosphere. Football in general in
a different stratosphere than everybody else, but the NFL in particular.
And I think that the way the season ended, the
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celebration that we saw from the Patriots, the pretty much
universal praise that rained down upon Tom Brady, the NFL brand.
They used to talk about the Shield all the time.
The Shield came through the pandemic and the election and
all of the controversies about as well as the Shield
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could have. The NFL brand, I don't believe has suffered
a massive body blow. I think that's true. I think
the NBA has got a massive body blow issue, and
I think it was just made worse by the decision
that Mark Cuban made. Mark Cuban decided on his own,
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evidently without clearing it with the NBA league office, that
he was just gonna stop playing the national anthem for
Dallas Mavericks home games. And he says, hardly anybody noticed.
There's not very many people in the stands. Fans have
not really returned. This is what I don't think the
NBA has realized. The NBA fans have not been able
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to voice their statement about the NBA players because there
really hasn't been very many crowds to speak of. So
my distinction between the NFL, which I believe you could
watch and escape the serious things in your life and
not really be aware of politics or really even COVID
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that much unless you're seeing on the sideline guys have
masks on things like that. But if you watched the
NBA in the bubble, it was impossible, even for somebody
like me who likes basketball, it was impossible not to
be overwhelmed by all of the politics. Guys don't even
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have their actual names on their jerseys. They've got Black
Lives Matter at the center of the court, they've got
everybody making political statements all the time, and the audience disappeared.
People have never watched the NBA in lower numbers in
our lives than what happened in the bubble. And that
was even though Lebron James, who has been historically the
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straw that stirs the drink, even though his team was
in the NBA Finals. I can't even imagine if the
Lakers hadn't been there, I mean, they might have had
two or three million people watching. It was disaster level ratings.
So what happens The NBA comes back and they're like
George Costanza after he quit and then showed up at
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the office the next day. He's like, just show back
up and pretend nothing happened. The NBA shows back up.
They're now out of the bubble. They're back in their arenas.
There's nothing on the court political, there's nothing on the
jerseys political. There's absolutely zero mentioned within the game itself
of any political related opinions. They were hoping to use
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that Seinfeld analogy that everybody out there just forgot about
the season that just happened. Oh all that politics, everything else.
Oh that's done, We're finished with that. We're just back
to being basketball players. They're hoping people have short memories.
They're hoping that the lasting damage to the NBA brand
is not going to be permanent. And so I can
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only imagine the reaction of Adam Silver when he saw
on Tuesday night, the New York Times and other media
outlets suddenly reporting that Mark Cuban had stopped playing the
national anthem. Because they acted with alacrity to end that decision.
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Almost immediately as this story gained power and attention, on Wednesday,
the NBA issued a statement, Hey, we're playing the national anthem.
We're not going to stop. Mark Cuban basically backed down,
kneeled to the altar of the n b A and
now they're playing the national anthem again in force everywhere.
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The problem is for the NBA, this just echoes everything
that happened last season. There are a lot of you
out there listening to me right now who are saying
I'm done with the NBA. You're big sports fans. We
got the biggest audience in all of sports. By the way,
open invite, as I've said before, to Mark Cuban to
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come on this show. There literally is no way you
can talk to more people in sports talk radio anywhere
in the country from six to nine am Eastern them
with us. You want to tape an interview, you don't
want to do it live, I'll do that. You tell
me when you want to come on, I'll do it.
I don't run from people who have different opinions than me.
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Most of the time people who have different opinions than
me running from me because they're afraid if they come
on the show, they're gonna get exposed because the logic
behind their actions is often not very well defended when
those people have to defend themselves. And if you question that,
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go back and listen to the audio of our good
friend Peter King, who came on the show all filled
with them and vinegar and vitality, after he's been taking
shots at me at his column for a long time,
and within a few minutes you were like, oh my god,
this is an unfair fight, this is not a fair debate.
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Peter King was just done. I think that's what would
happened to Mark Cuban. I think he would yell loud,
and I think he'd tried to talk over me, and
I think at the end of the debate, you guys
would be like, who Mark Cuban really doesn't have much
substance behind his actions, because that's what usually happens, right,
There's a lot of people out there that want to
take really aggressive perspectives and positions, but when they actually
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try to defend it, there's no basis to it. Some
of you out there like they shouldn't play the national anthem.
I put up a poll question tens of thousands of
you voted. You can go vote in it right now
if you'd like, at Clay Travis share your opinion over
of you said you thought that they should play the
national anthem. That's fine of you think that they shouldn't
play the national anthem. And I understand both sides of
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the argument, trust me, I do. But it's pretty clear
that even in the n b A, a league whose
fan base is certainly left leaning, that even in the
n b A, Adam Silver is like, this is a
bridge too far, even in the league that put social
justice warrior slogans on the back of jerseys, even in
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the league that put political slogans on the basketball court.
Even in that league, choosing not to play the national
anthem is a bridge too far. Choosing that the anthem
would not be played is too much. It's bad for business.
That's why Adam Silver is acting, by the way, And
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I think this is just emblematic of the larger dichotomy
between the NBA, which failed, I think fairly miserably in
its ability to respond to a challenging environment where everything
was political, where Covid was going on. I think the
NBA failed in a big way. I think they have
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done lasting damage to the overall brand of their league,
and I think Adam Silver knows it, and I think simultaneously,
the NFL has managed to finesse through a difficult situation,
and most of us out there who are NFL fans
are sitting around like, hey, where are these quarterbacks gonna
end up? Hey, let's have some fun talking about Tom
Brady not being able to Uh it's it's a walk
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hardly because he's having too much of a celebration. The
NFL is crazily the fun league, and the n b
A is the no fun league. Remember it used to
be that everybody characterized the NFL is a no fun league. Oh,
they'll penalize celebrations. Oh, nobody gets to have fun playing
football anymore. And the NBA what was their slogan, NBA
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Action is fantastic. And now the n b A is
the strident political league where they have pulled the joy
and the effervescent joy and excitement out of a league,
and the NFL has managed to somehow survive an incredibly
difficult position. I'm just fascinated by it in general. A
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lot of you certainly weighing in, and go find me
on Twitter at Clay Travis, tell me what you think.
And by the way, if you were going to decide
to do away with the national anthem, the only way
you could decide to do away with the national anthem,
in my opinion, is if you do away with it
in a time of non controversy. And that's probably the
thing that I'm most disappointed about with the Colin Kaepernick
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protests fallout. The protest fallout has not turned out to
be about anything other than the national anthem is now
political for many people, and I liked, and maybe this
is me being an old guy, I liked the idea,
as I aged, of the national anthem playing and everybody
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out there taking a moment to think about how fortunate
we are all are to live in America, and how
fortunate we are all are for the sacrifices that others
have made so that we can show up and spend
our time and money watching a sporting event. I understand
the argument the national anthem shouldn't be played because it's divisive.
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What I'm telling you is I regret that we have
ever ended up in a place in the United States
of America where celebrating America and being proud to be
an American is in some way considered to be divisive,
because that's what I think the national anthem represents. I
could live anywhere in the world right now, I choose
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to live in America, and people are dying to try
to get in here every single day because we are
the best and greatest country that has ever existed. And
I think the people who take it the most for
granted are very often the people who were born here.
Because I'll tell you this much, those immigrants dying to
try to get in this country. There ain't a lot
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of other countries out there in the world where people
die to try to get inside. Why are they doing that?
Because the soil that we stand on every single day.
Very often Americans take it for granted. And I think
that's what Mark cubans doing. I think that's what he
did when he decided to stop playing the national Anthem.
I think there are a lot of people out there
making a bad choice and not understanding the larger perspective
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of how fortunate we all are to be here where
we can make decisions and choices because we have basic
human rights, unlike all the NBA's partners in China. All right,
when we come back Joe Kenzie will join us. We're
gonna have some fun talking about the latest on the
Tampa Bay Buccaneer celebration. Drunk, Tom Brady, the Lombardi Trophy,
almost went into the river, all that more. This is
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lot of people are losing their minds over the NBA
national anthem, and we've obviously been talking about that, but
we're not gonna draw you into the anthem controversy. Instead,
we're gonna go straight to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and
the party of their Super Bowl. So there are so
many different angles that are awesome about this party, but
I want to start with this Tom Brady drunk, forty
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three year old. I believe, dad of three, how much
did you enjoy seeing Tom Brady stumble around drunk? And
you're you've been on social media a long time. We
were talking about in the second hour of the program
with Shannon Spake, have Bay sickly Brady's people mastered social
media because I'm not sure that there's any athlete out
there that was kind of not really that beloved. I
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think it's fair to say for Tom Brady, but they
have spun social media so much in their favor with
the videos that they share in the window that they
provide to his life, that it actually makes him a
lot more likable. I think, am I crazy? Or you
buy in there? Clay, the internet absolutely now of Tom
Brady can't do anything wrong. He's not He doesn't worn
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a mask in a month that they can't even they
can't even bashibone or not wearing a mask. Clay. Now
they're saying Tom Brady is They're literally coming out and saying,
just a little avocado tequila. That's all he had. That's
what he tweeted. But he also, uh, what is really
really funny? Is I mean that that's so fantastic? Uh?
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He tweeted not nothing to see her like just like
all this spelled stuff, right, which also feels like it
was intentional. Right, But this is uh, it's amazing. He
misspelled nothing to see left off and just a little
with a random cap avocado tequila. I mean, this whole
thing is uh. They're they're carrying him out of the
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boating area of the docks like he's weekend it burnied
and you know, he looks like he's deaf, and a
journalist is asking him, you know, how's how's you doing? Tom?
And it's like, how do you mean how are you doing?
You can tell he's bombed out of his brain. But
let's just go with it here, lady. So no, this
is this is exactly. This takes me back, Clay. This
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is like back when athletes would get drunk and not
they just didn't care back in the day. Now all
these athletes are. They care until they win a title,
and then when they win a title, they just go
bonkers and one thing leads to another and you're Tom
Brady just out of your mind. But this is awesome.
I love it. Maybe this will let some of the
uptight young athletes say let's let's just let loose a
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little bit. So I'm loving it. It is funny, like,
what do you think would have happened if the Lombardi
trophy goes in the water. I think it's way funnier
if it goes in the water. But did they even
go back and try to get it, like with scuba
divers and stuff. I mean, the NFL can just give
him a new Lombardi trophy, right, Yeah, it's ten thousand
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dollars for a replacement trophy. But just think of the
content that would come out of at the Tampa Police
dive team going into the river. Yes, it's it's it's
deep enough to handle h Brady's two million dollar yacht.
So the river, let's say it's thirty ft deep. You
know that these guys are jumping down into the river
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looking for Lombardi like it's a dead body in there,
And that would be incredible. I was rooting for it.
I'm rooting for the trophy to go in. Then of
course Brady throws a perfect Lombardi to Gronx boat and uh,
it's would have been unbelievable if that trophy went in
and sank Stirling Silver. By the way, Clay I looked
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it up. If it's real silver, we know what it does.
It goes to the bottom of the Hillsboro River. So uh,
it didn't go in and we didn't get our wish. Um.
So do you agree with me? Can you think you
cover uh and pay attention a lot to athletes profiles
on social media? You write a lot about them on
out kick in that respect? Can you think of an
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athlete who has better use social media to make himself
more liked than Brady has? Uh? And by the way,
let me say this, it's not just his team. I mean,
it's not just him. It's his team. Like, I don't
think that Brady like the videos that he's making, uh,
the jokes everything else. There's probably two or three people
that he employs to work with him on social media.
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But is there anything anybody that you can think of
in the world of sports that has used social media better?
Because there's lots of athletes who give us a window
into their life. But I don't know that it's changed
in any way our overall perspective of them. Whereas I
think for Tom Brady, he was a guy that, you know,
he was the anti everyman, right, Peyton Manning was the
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h was the guy out there that was you know,
the pizza salesman, uh, the beer drinker. You know, that
was kind of the mold that he followed. Whereas Brady
was Mr Cool, Mr g q uh, the guy with
the supermodel wife. He didn't really seem very much like
the average person, whereas Peyton Manning sold himself as the
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average person. And as a result, I think there were
a lot of people because a deflate Gate and spy
Gate and sort of the cold, i would say, joylessness
way in which much of the New England Patriot dynasty
played itself out, Brady seemed a level removed from normalcy,
and now on social media, it's just like, man, I'm like,
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I I really like this guy. Isn't it weird how
all of a sudden he leaves New England and he's
wide open? You know what was what was Belichick telling
these guys that you can't you can't live on social media.
You've gotta the Bill Belichick way was just to not
seem human, like I don't get it like this this
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is exactly the Tom Brady that we all wanted to see,
and now it feels it feels like he's like the
guy that you have a lake house next to and
you love to have beers with, Like you just want
to hang out with him, right, So I think it
has something to do with what Belichick was had going on.
And and now all of a sudden, Brady's what forty
three and he's He's put a team together. He's awesome
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about it. Now. The only other person that I think
he's not he's not as active. But John Daley does
a lot of great content, uh that you don't see
as much as Tom Brady. But again, another guy that
we all want to party with. And uh so that
would be one that I would consider. But uh think
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John just doesn't put out the volume like Tom has
been doing. You know What's what's partly interesting as you
kind of move through everything and and and look at
the way that guys classify themselves. I've got a big philosophy,
big picture statement here for you that I think is interesting. Um,
if you look at popular television shows, popular television show
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characters are popular for their flaws, not for their talents.
And let me give you a couple of examples. Walter
White breaking bad, starts to deliver to deal meth uh,
Tony Soprano, Uh, Mafia Boss. If you look at the
wire there, obviously, these are some of the most iconic
shows that are out there there are a lot of
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different characters who are not, you know, perfect angels. And
then in the real world, it's like, on some level
we expect for real humans to not have dark sides
at all and cancel. Culture is all about, Hey, if
you step outside the line just a little bit, then
we're going to cancel you. But it seems to me
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that certain parts of social media, and Brady would be
a good example, the parts that people like are not
the Hey, this guy won seven super Bowls and he's
been to ten, because people can't identify with that. But
people can identify with a forty three year old father
of three who gets to go out with his buddies
who maybe a little bit younger, and he has too
(25:28):
many drinks and he's got a silly smile on his
face and he's wobbly, uh in the middle of the afternoon.
Right Like that makes Brady more likable, ironically than winning.
I think a seven super Bowl does more human clay,
and we can relate to him, right yeah, you know
what I'm like, we can we can relate to that guy.
We've been there, We've had those nights, we've been down
(25:50):
and out with a little bit of a hangover, here
and there, and now all of a sudden, he's living
the life we want to live. Clay, That's why I'm here,
That's why you hired. The people want to see the stuff.
They want to see the stuff that they want to
live like these guys, and these guys had a little
bit of themselves, you know, a little bit of average
Joe in their in their lives. So love to see it.
(26:11):
Absolutely love to see this. You have lived through on
the Internet. We're talking to Joe Kinzie at Joe Kinzie
e XP. You can find him on Twitter. You have
lived through the Jordan's versus Lebron debate that will not die.
It's the internet's like most overplayed topic of all time.
And there are people who have made their entire career
(26:33):
in sports media off of going out and uh and
being the guy who argues for Jordan's or the guy
who argues for Lebron. Are we in danger of turning
Brady in Mahomes into the NFL's version of Jordan's versus Lebron?
M Well, I mean has a long way to go, right,
(26:56):
It's true, but we started with Lebron versus Jordan's within
a couple of years of him being in the league. Yeah, yeah, no, yes,
I mean okay, so you guys in your little debate world,
not you, but you know debate shows they need a
hot topic, right, So who else do you put up?
Who else do you put up? Then Mahomes against Brady?
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But then what happens when Brady retires? Who then? Who
do you put up against him? Who do you put
up against my homes? Do you feel like don't you
feel like a guys are angling now to to be
that next guy? You know, Russell Wilson wants to move,
Deshaun Watson wants to move. Everybody's like, okay, now where
do I What do I do here? Where do I go?
And Tom Brady's like, I'm not leaving. I'm on this diet.
(27:41):
This diet is making me play like I'm thirty and
I'm getting drunk in the super Bowl parade and I'm
loving life. Why quit now? So now everybody's like, okay,
well we gotta have my homes versus Brady. It's gonna
be that way for the next five years or whatever.
It is interesting to think about. Now you covered the
Super Bowl. Patrick Mahomes mom, who is not very old, right,
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isn't she the same age as Tom Brady? Actually, uh,
if I'm mistaken, I need to look that up. Clay.
I think she might be like, yeah, she's just a
couple of years different in age. I think than than
Tom Brady. In general, she wasn't happy with the officiating
in the game. I didn't see all these details, but
I understand that she was firing off on social media.
(28:27):
She is the firecracker. I called her a whiner. Listen,
she whined about the officials. I called her a whiner,
But I said, this is exactly what the NFL needs.
We need a firecracker like Randy Mahomes. She's a Texan.
She just spouts off at everything, no filter. I love this.
(28:48):
We need more moms like this. We need some dads
like this. We need moms and dads out there creating content.
And Randy Mahomes is that woman. She is. She is
a fire cracker. Now, her son, Jackson, he's annoying, he's
a he's a he's a ticktock loser. But she is
great for the NFL. I'm really happy the way she
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went nuts on the officials. But then you know she
was taking shots at Giselle. She she has no silver whatsoever.
She's going right after Tom Brady's wife and then Tom
Brady's parents say hello to her afterwards. She is in
the middle of everything. I told you two weeks ago.
Keep an eye on Randy Mahomes. She delivered during the
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super Bowl. She'll continue to deliver because she's like forty
five years old. She's got a long way to go here.
So everybody keep an eye on Randy Mahomes. What else
stood out to you from the Super Bowl and the
resulting week of coverage we've seen post Super Bowl? Uh,
you know, a lot of times things go viral become
big stories. Obviously, we talked about the boat parade. I
(29:52):
think the Tampa Bay Buccaneers very likable team, right, I mean,
in general, Bruce arians is a coach. I think a
lot of people get behind. Ron is very very likable,
as he always has been. Brady has again used social
media to reposition kind of the way we think about him.
I think if you it's hard to like point to
(30:13):
a villain on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, right, Uh, Mike
Evans seems like a pretty good dude. Chris Godwin, I mean,
all of the all of the players that that draw
a lot of attention, there's not a lot of I
guess you good point to Antonio Brown because of all
the things that he's had off the field. But even
Antonio Brown hasn't really created any kind of stir since
(30:33):
he came back and joined the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. In fact,
that might be the final little bit of a nudge
that gets him into the Hall of Fame. Right. Uh so,
I feel like this is a likable team. What about
the Chiefs? Did anything kind of stand out to you
from a surprising perspective from a content angle, I didn't
really see anything out of him. I think it was
(30:54):
just such a dud for the Super Bowl out of
the Chiefs. Uh. I mean Randy Mahomes going nuts. I
covered that, um, But other than that, even even Mahome's
wife for fiance or whatever, she's silent. She's thirty weeks
pregnant or whatever. And uh, they're not speaking much. It's
like that. I said that Tom Brady had to come
(31:16):
in and humble these guys, and he did exactly that.
They they're on vacation, they're not even bothering running their mouths.
They're like, well, try to get them next year, and
Tom Brady is going to be in the way again
next year. So credit tom Brady. He shut up the Chiefs,
he humbled these loud mouths, and now he gets to celebrate.
(31:37):
He's on top of the world again. And you're right,
the Buccaneers are like likable all of a sudden. Who
would have ever thought, never would have believed, did? Joe Kenzie?
Keep up the good work. We will talk to you again,
maybe not next week I'm headed to Mexico, but maybe
the week after. I appreciate it my man vacation. Fox
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don't miss a single minute of that action. But a
lot to dive into, a lot to discuss all throughout
the show, some serious topics, some not so serious topics.
I wanted to share with you the latest on the
votes as it pertains to whether the national anthems should
be played at sporting events. Tens of thousands of you
(33:03):
weighing in. I'll leave the poll open for basically, I'll
try to leave these polls open for twenty four hours
all the time you can go vote in it. Do
you believe the national anthem should be played at sporting events?
Over eight percent of you say yes. Of you roughly
under it's a two to eighteen right now. Uh, do
those results surprise you at all? Dub I don't know.
(33:25):
I guess the more I think about it, I kind
of am a little bit surprised. I wasn't necessarily expecting
the results to be so lopsided, with over on one
side in less than on the other, because I mean,
my personal opinion, I don't really understand exactly why it's
played in front of every single sporting event in America.
(33:47):
There's eighty two NBA games, there's a hundred and sixty
two baseball games, there's a ton of soccer games. I
remember they played it in high school in front of
before our football games. So I just don't really get
why we choose to play it ahead of sporting events
and then choose not to play it ahead of you know,
stuff like going to the movies. And yeah, I think
(34:09):
that's the art. That's the argument. Most of the time
at concerts and most of the time at movies, at
entertainment events, you don't play the national anthem. And so
now there are people out there listening to us right
now who are serving us, and thanks for the service
that that you provide for us. Uh. In the in
the armed forces, they play the national anthem before every
(34:29):
movie on military basis. I didn't know this. Um. I
had a lot of people reach out to me because
we've talked about this issue before years and years ago.
I guess now four or five years ago and Colin
Kaepernick made this story start to emerge. I wasn't that
strongly aware of how common that was, right, I just
had no clue. And the analogy I used was, well,
(34:52):
this is entertainment, and we don't. And then a lot
of people said, well, actually we do. And I just
think the challenges You can't make a move like this
after something has become political, because basically what Mark Cuban
is trying to do is dodge a controversy. Right. People
are like, oh, it's so brave of him not to
play the national anthem. No, he's aware that in Texas
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when fans start to come back, if his players are
not standing for the national anthem, many of his fans
are not going to be fans of the Dallas Mavericks.
I mean, I'm just being honest with you, because I
think I'm correcting this. All the Dallas Cowboys stand for
the national anthem, and the Dallas Stars put out their
own statement saying, hey, our guys are we're going to
(35:39):
continue to play the national anthem. And I don't think
there's been very many hockey players who have kneeled or
whatever the heck that is, And so I think it's
in Dallas, a challenging spot for you to be making
this argument. We're not talking about New York City, We're
not talking about l A. We're talking about Dallas. And
so I think Mark you Been was aware that it
(36:01):
was going to be bad for business, even though he
won't speak to it publicly. And so this was his
attempt to dodge the controversy by not playing the anthem
at all. I think that's what was really going on,
and instead he has reaped a whirlwind because now it's
had even more attention drawn back to it than it
would have if he had never done anything in the
(36:22):
first place. So I think that's the timing is the
timing of his decision is his way off, especially considering
what happened in the bubble over the summer. And it
was like he thought that nobody was gonna notice, you know,
like at some point when fans came back, there were
gonna be people like looking around like wait a minute,
you know, because you know how it is, like you're
(36:43):
standing in line for a beer. You could forget that
it happened. There's not hardly anybody in the stands right now.
Television is going to cover it differently, But to me,
the biggest takeaway here is how quickly everybody made the
decision in the NBA to say no, no, no, no,
we're playing the national anthem. That to me means the
NBA has data that reflects that their overall brand is
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struggling and that they're not going to allow another controversy
to emerge, because all it does is reinforce the fact
that the NBA won't stand up to China, but they'll
stop playing national anthems like that goes to the very
essence I think of what many Americans feel about the
NBA now and has nothing to do with the on
the court product. Tomorrow, same bad time, same bad channel.
(37:27):
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