February 13, 2023 • 48 mins
2 Pros and a Cup of Joe recap Super Bowl LVII where Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid and the Chiefs solidified themselves as a “dynasty.” They address the controversial defensive holding call against the Eagles. Jonas goes on location after the studio gets gassed. Philly went all out and blew their opportunity. Now they have to rebuild and pay Jalen Hurts who’s next in line for a big pay day.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks
on Fox Radio. So regardless how you landed on what
your opinion of the game was going to be and
who you had winning, there was a reason why the
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point spread was so small and stayed that way for
the vast majority of the two weeks leading up to
the game. That was the hell of a game last night.
That was a fun game. Uh, those two teams played
their asses off. There's a lot of controversy coming out
of that game, but we thought it might go this
way as far as being a close game throughout and
and as far as being a close game when it
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was finally over with that. Nonetheless, Patrick Mahomes and Andy
Reid get it done. A second Super Bowl championship for
Patrick Mahomes. But of course there is some complaining, some
bitching and moaning going on from some people who don't
like to call the James Bradbury call. Nonetheless, the Kansas
City Chiefs get it done. That second half is monstrous form.
Philly hadn't where they wanted it, but Patrick Mahomes strikes
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late and the Kansas City Chiefs are your super Bowl champions?
How about it? How about those Chiefs? I mean, it's uh?
Are they dynasty? I guys? I mean how do we
how do we define their success and the track record
that they've had so far with Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid? Yeah,
I don't know. I don't you know. I think dynasty
can be defined in a few different ways. I don't
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think that that's something you fit in the box up.
I certainly believe that you can look at their amount
of success. What has been four four times? What was
it four times in the playoffs and at the championship
round championship game. It's now five? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? I
mean two super Bowls in four years. They've been to
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three in at least in the five I not that
four year span if not correct? Yeah? I mean how
are we defining dynasty? Are we defining it by the frequency?
Are we are we saying it based on because people
say that Dallas was a dynasty and they got three?
You know, I would put it this way, no one's
done what they've done so far, No one's amit at
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the five straight NC championship games. I would say this
if can you if it ended right now and they
never want another super Bowl dynasty. Yeah, because if you
just go back, if you could describe it as an era,
the Patrick Mahomes Andy Reid era, their run, if you're
talking about it after the fact, that to me is
a dynasty. And so if we're gonna be talking about
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whatever this is, if this is the last appearance for
them in a super Bowl, and who the hell knows
doesn't seem like it's going to be the way they
operate together, then yeah, I think it's a dynasty. They
were overmatched against this Eagles team, and and listen, I
said it coming into the game, if Patrick Mahomes, first
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of all, if the Chiefs are gonna win this game,
it's going to be because of Patrick Mahomes and the coaching.
And if they do win this game, the conversation has
to dramatically change, well not even dramatically, but it definitely
changes for how you look at Patrick Mahomes. And that's
what That's what played out. So I wouldn't have a
problem saying there a dynasty. Honestly, I think that the
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half of a decade of success, the way that they've
had it and the way they've played. I mean, hell, Uh,
who wouldn't want to be a part of that team?
You know, jeez, you saw how happy Juju was. I mean,
who wouldn't want to be a part of this Kansas
City organization shouts out to my boy Beach too. By
the way, Um, they've I mean they've they've overcome all lots, man,
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I mean that and it played out the way you
guys wanted it to. I mean, think about what you
what what you just said to when you mentioned Brett
Veatchs their general manager. They had more rookies this year
play snaps than any team in the NFL. That's gotta
be a scary sign for the NFL when you've got
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patched from Homes on our long term deal, and you've
got all these other pieces that stepped up as rookies,
you know, from Jalen wattson the Josh Williams and Brian Cooke,
the George carloftis I mean you start kind of combing
through it sky more. Um, you know the young players
they have, Tray Smith, you know guys they've drafted Creed
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Humpher on the offensive line, Isaiah Pacheco. I mean these
are all guys who are either a rookie this year
or drafted recently, and you're you're saying to yourself, Yeah,
this is gonna work for a long period of time.
I mean, it's just they've done a tremendous job drafting,
identifying who fits within what they need. Um, you know,
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as far as you know, guys, they've been able to
develop too. I mean, Kadarius Tony couldn't make it work
in it with the New York Giants. He seemed to
have found a home with the Kansas City Chiefs and
gave them a spark and a big play right when
they needed it. So I look at this and I
I guess, honestly, you know, we could call it an era.
Like I'm kind of second guessing myself and asking the
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question to you guys, because you mentioned Dallas, and then
I was kind of thinking of the run that the
Patriots had, well, like the Patriots second run where the
domino An f C East they got to a bunch
of a C Championship games, but didn't necessarily win a
bunch of Super Bowls even though they got to the
kind of that middle point of Belichick and Brady in
New England that area, Like I I guess you can
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consider them a dynasty, but it wasn't as successful as
the very beginning and then obviously the very end for
for Brady in particular, So I guess I look at
it a little different. But I mean, look right now,
if you're if you're like, well, I don't know what
the betting guards are, Jonas, but you'd be better than
the the ANC Championship game next year, would you not. Yes,
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I would feel comfortable betting on Kansas City to make
an a f C championship game for the rest of
Patrick Mahomes's career because, like Joe Burrow, the window is
open as long as Pat is there. Hell yeah, I
think my biggest here, my biggest takeaways from from the
Super Bowl. First one is why did I bet against
Patrick Mahomes? When Patrick Mahomes beat the win against it
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hit the head, Uh, the quarterback that the only quarterback
that can beat them, you know, with one leg. He
went ahead to head and found a way to win
against the only quarterback that really could beat him. Though.
Did you like, if you would have said, oh, someone's
gonna throw for a three h yards in this game,
who's it gonna be? Yeah, I would have I would
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have said you if not Patrick Mahomes, they're not winning. Yeah.
I just I just I just think that I thought
that coming out of that Cincinnati game. They just didn't
have much for Cincinnati and it didn't look good and
they look like they they they had a call that
really assisted them making it out of that game. But
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with that being said, they were close enough to make
it out of that game, and I probably should have
taken that into bigger consideration. My second takeaway is and
the biggest game of the year, and and correct me,
you know, or tell me I'm I'm I'm full of
it or whatever. But the second, the second takeaway I
took from that game was in the biggest game of
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the season, you cannot have an unforced error that leads
to a touchdown. You just can't, Like, I'm sorry, you can,
you can fumble it, you can, you can turn it over.
You can't allow it to just be an unforced are
aware team in the Super Bowl just walks into the
end zone, like, can't do it? And my third takeaway was, well, okay,
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let's make it forward. Because the third one is you
can't allow a major play to happen on special teams,
especially in the most critical moment of the game. It
was too It was too critical of a time to
allow a shifting of the field and the way that
allowed it. And for you, I guess coaching really does matter.
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Like I know, you gotta have a Patrick Mahomes, but
the level and the class of coaching, they totally outclassed
Philadelphia in that second half. I mean, the adjustments that
they made at halftime were freaking phenomenal. And it showed
on both sides of the ball, not just on offense
and I'm scoring all the time. It definitely showed on
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what they were able to do defensively as well. I thought,
that's it's an interesting point. I mean going in the game,
those are the two things I said most of you
is Patch Mahomes end of the game, if they need
to play, he could make it. And then experience of
Andy Reid and Steve Spagnola, who I thought both of them.
If you go back to talking about how if you
would have put together a game plan for how Philly
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was gonna win it first half, the time of possession,
in particular, the way Philly was staying and converting third
down fourth downs, it felt like death of a thousand
paper cuts. That sort of felt like like every time
they got in that formation on fourth and short, third
and short, you sat there and went and here they
go again, they're just gonna sneak and they're gonna push
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hurt so over the top. Which not to get off
on a tangent now, but I told y'all it was
a few weeks ago about that play. That's that play
will be reviewed by the competition committee. I would not
be shocked or surprised if there's not a change that's
made to it. It is too successful of a play.
I think it puts too many players at risk with
the way and as we saw the close ups with
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all the different camera angles, those guys are down there
lunging at each other with their neck and head down.
Eventually there's gonna be a bad injury. Eventually someone's gonna
get hurt, and they're gonna rethink the whole concept of that.
I'm just I'm telling you right now, I cannot imagine
they're gonna allow that play to continue to exist. That
being said, it was effective. Everything that Nick Sirianni and
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Jonathan Gannon and Shane Stike and wanted to do was
effective to a point, and then it became about the adjustments,
and I really felt like Kansas City and you kind
of felt like at halftime it was that line of demarcation.
But to me, it was more of just the way
the game flowed to begin with. Casey won the toss
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deferred and so they just didn't touch the football as much. Right,
Philly was gonna be the team to eat up that
clock and keep the ball away from Patrick Mahomes. And
then in the second half when when Casey got the
ball coming out of half, they were renting right down
the field, and but you still saw Philly eating up
the clock. I mean, at one point we had three
possessions that we were in the fourth quarter. I mean,
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it really was a game plan that I think played
out for the most part how Philly wanted to, with
a few moments and and particular breakdowns defensively, the exact
same play Jonathan Gannon never made an adjustment, the touchdown
Pastika Darius Tony, the touchdown past the sky more. Both
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of those plays were critical and in both cases, all
case He did was get them in a position where
they it looked like they were playing more of a
form of quarters with the way they were doing it.
They motioned down. The outside guy looks like he's going
all across the formation, the corner bumps down, the safety
looks to run and push to the opposite side. Meanwhile
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the guy emotion then just runs right back out in
the flat and there's no one there because the safety
thinks he's gonna scream across the foremas to take him
on the other side. And so you look at that,
and that would that happened twice, And that's where like
you've got to be able to make the end game adjustments.
And the inexperience of Jonathan Gannon I think showcased itself.
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The experience of Steve Spagnola and the rush that started
to push Jalen Hurts out of the pocket to his
left shut down a lot of you know, data were
better tackling to in the second after Casey. But all
those things I think I help him amount to it.
And then there's a controversial call, which I'll put it
this way. The call is not controversial. It's not that's
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defensive holding. You should call that a thousand times out
of a thousand. What's controversial is the timing of it.
There you go, there you go. That's the that's the
problem I had. I don't like my My interpretation of
that call was I'm gonna wait and see if he's
able to catch the ball. If he catches the ball,
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there's no flag. The fact that the ball was right,
I just the ball was terribly overthrown. Myhomes was throwing
it away. It was being thrown away. If you're gonna
make the call, make the call when it happens. You
knew it was a whole if you because again, those
those types of holes take place every play. So if
you're gonna throw the if you're gonna choose to throw
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the flag, I have no problem with you're throwing the
flag flag. It was a foul. It was the timing
of it that was like, come on, man, like like
in the biggest moment of of this game, where you
know it's gonna come down to Okay, these guys are
gonna at least get three points, give this other team
and opportunity too to make a runt of their job.
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It's not your job to throw it that late either.
I didn't necessarily think that you threw it that late.
I actually saw the flag early. They did converse about
it to be able to talk about to make sure
they saw what they call saw because I think they
knew the importance of that call. The problem I had
with is, if you're going to complain about that flag
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being thrown, then you should have complained about an earlier
third down where Kansas City didn't get the call because
there was a clear defensive holding in a turn on
a conversion that would have been that stopped the Casey
drive earlier in the game. Like I've said all along,
you know, if like if you're gonna complain about officiating,
then I think you're a team, And Jason Kelsey has
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said this himself, like you're a team that's probably looking
for excuses in that part. My issue with officiating is
always the inconsistencies, and I thought for the most part
last night that was a very consistent game. They let
them play. I thought Casey shot themselves the foot a
number of times, Frank Clark helping to extend to drive.
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Chris Jones, Yeah, lined up in the news, both those
on third down fourth downds, Like there was a lot
of like the mistakes I thought made by by Kansas
City that it were a bit, uh, you know, unfamiliar
to that team how they play in those moments. But
I go back to if you're gonna be upset about
that call, I understand you don't want it to be
called in that moment, but it's also like, how do
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you say that to the officials, Hey, don't do your
job in the moment that counts the most, even though
it's the definition of what defensive holding would be. Yeah, again,
to me, I had no problem with the foul I had.
I didn't. I did not see the flag come out early.
Maybe you had a different vantage point than I did.
But when I saw that flag, he had already turned
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around and was already hitting into the end zone. The
ball was already up and over his head. The flag
was coming in. The flag came in late. It came
in late. It was not that flag was not thrown
when the foul took place. The flag was thrown after
it was late. It was not like boom, he hit him.
Here comes the flag. And I know that's the whole
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conversation of what Tom Brady was talking about, you know,
the delay of it or or whatever it is that
they got going on those three words that he used,
the one prolonged that was a prolonged throw. That was
a prolonged flag. That's what bothered me. And the like
this is the last like the last two drives of
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the game, that's what bothered me about. I think when
he's saying prolonged, he's probably more referring to, like how
long was the hold? You know, was the hold as
he ran on the inside then cut to go out
was a prolonged and wasn't long enough in that timing
element to warrant the flag. I'll be honest with you,
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I think what hurt it was actually the broad cast
initially didn't see the actual foul that took place. What
what they showed you was once he got back outside
and started to turn up, Bradberry still had a hand
on his hip kind of polling. But that wasn't the
most egregious part. The most egregious part was when he
really tried to grab him and turn him when he
was trying to get back outside and the initial move.
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But what what they showed, they didn't get that until afterwards.
I think that people saw the initial slant down inside
to then run back out, and they saw the grab
by Bradberry, then they would have said, Okay, that's defensive holding.
The question becomes, do you make that call in this instance?
And the reality is, and this is why I kind
of tried to give you guys a little intel on
Carl Scheffer's last week before this game was even played.
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He's coached, or excuse me, He's officiated a lot of
games for the Chiefs. A lot of those games have
worked out for the Chiefs. He's called more penalties in
his cruise than any crew in the league. This wasn't
his exact crew, but he was the head of what
is an all star group of officials. So again, those
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are all things that I think, ultimately, you know, came
down and matter in the end. But you you do
have to acknowledge the fact that you know, to me
it was defensive holding. It's just it's just a matter
of are you the type that's gonna say we're not
gonna call that sort of foul in the final moments
of the game. Uh. And I think the problem with that,
as in Mike Prayer, a deep Landino would say, you
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can't ask them to not do their job in the
moments that matter most too, Like you can't ask them
to put the whistle in their pocket or keep their
flag in the pocket just because you want to see
these two guys duke it out. It's not supposed to
work like that. Be sure to catch live editions of
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn,
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EA staring three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio app. We have Jonas on field
tap right now. He's he's live on location on Sepulvida.
What's what's going on out there? Jonas? It's better than
what's going on in there? Out there? You are. You
are filthy. It's every hallway you turned down inside the studio,
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you walk right in someone's ask every hallway in the studio.
It doesn't This is uh hey, Jonas, good for you
for putting your foot down for a guy who prides
himself on proper hygiene, a guy who doesn't even eat.
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He sacrifices folks, he doesn't eat ever, just so that
he doesn't have to potentially put someone through the endurance
of dealing with his flash once. So Jonas, I'm glad
you're putt your foot down. Um, I know we're trying
to get the field tap hooked up right now. Meanwhile,
you're on your your cell phone. Hopefully you can find
a warm place to to sit down and do the show.
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Maybe some one of those bums that's out by the end.
I mean, he is out there in the mix. So
where where he is, he certainly could meet a couple
of friends along the way that may have a worse
smell than Berto or Lee put together. I mean, there's
a there's that. There's not a drug addict in Sherman Oaks.
That wouldn't be an upgrade over that's a bit much much,
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it is. It is way too much on your end.
But hey, congratulations of the Kansas City chiefs. So Brady,
what's what's the party the like in kac right now?
What do you feel there? Oh? I mean it will
just be first off, they're ripping darts, right, I've already
told you guys, like at least when I was there
in Casey like that you can still smoke, you know,
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your normal cigarettes in restaurants or bars, least some of them.
They'll be eating some of the greatest barbecue you've ever
had in your life, tipping back on some whiskey, um,
maybe some bourbon to just ripping darts left and right, celebrating.
But here's the thing is, they gotta be carefully gonna
pace themselves because this team might be celebrating these super
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Bowls quite often through the course of it in the
next few years, considering how young this team is, considering
they've got their starting quarterback under contract for forever, and
Andy Reid's coming back at least for another year. So
I would say, enjoy it, casey, fans, party hard, you
deserve it. Congrats to the Chiefs the Hunt family as well,
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but pace yourselves because a year from now you might
be doing the same thing. I'm glad you brought up
Coach Andy Reid. Where you guys paid attention to the
postgame uh celebration? Uh? When when Terry Branch and Terry
Brad's told Coach Reek, can you waddle over here? Hey,
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big guy, Hey, big guy, can you waddle over here? Wait? Wait,
hold on, like that he does, ask Coach read Wattle.
Yes he did, and then he called him an old
ass bat or something to that effect, like you're old
like me, like he was. It was Joan and all
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Coach Read bad I did, like, hey, you're coming back,
you're old like me, like you, what's that light? You
gotta you gotta be in the twilight or your career
now right. I thought it was pretty interesting that that
was an interesting observation. And by the way, I didn't
even know that there was some speculation that Reid was
going to walk away, Like I didn't even know that
there that was a possibility he was going to retire.
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I think, actually you speculated that last week during super
Bowl week, as you threw out a lot of different things. Yeah,
and then I picked up on this point at that point,
I mean, look, we're just spitballing, all right. We broke
down every single angle in this game. We broke down
every every talking point in storyline. So some people were
just making stuff up. By about Wednesday or Thursday, last
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time I see a homeless person walking pacing back and
forth outside our studio windows, I'm really getting oh, oh wait,
that's Jonas my bed, My bad, bad, Can I ask
this Jonas? What? Can Lee? Roberto? Maybe even LaVar which
I was told that LaVar got in the mix there. Yeah,
I mean victim. I don't live in victimhood, and I
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strike back, you know, like no, but they said that
you you struck back, but it almost created his disaster,
if you know what I mean, I mean, all of
it is close to a disaster. LaVar took the sanitizer
wife that he had on the microphone to drown out
the smell, and he took that off and covered his
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mouth and nose with it, which I don't even think
it's healthy. That it's definitely to walk into the studio
to try and gas them up, and then ended up
getting gas himself. And they blocked me. They blocked me
from getting out of the room. They blocked me for
I'm getting out of the room. That ol. Okay, it
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leads me back to this point. What can we do
to get you back? M Look, I just need I
needed a segment, all right. I just want the first
I need to breathe fresh air because there's no Normally
I would just go outside the studio for a couple
of minutes, like in the hallway, but the hallways aren't safe.
All right. Let me ask you guys out everywhere. Let
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me ask you guys this on those on those Jalen
Hurts short yardage, um QB keepers, what was your over
what would your over underbe of of three to four
flagellations during the course of that play. Are you're taking over?
You're taking the under? Since since the under topic it
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was that three and a half, I take the under.
I think three. I think you three? Maybe I mean
you you You were in the mix though, you know
more than I do. Like when I if I was
sneaking the football, I'm just trying to get where I
need to go and get down. I'm not thinking about
all the flatulence. You were the one that was in
there pushing around trying to stuff happen. Yeah, I would
say it's probably a lot more. And I'd probably say
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that there was um matter involved in it as well. Yeah,
I would say because of the amount of strain and
struggle and and grunting that took place, I would say
it's probably a lot more, especially for the guys that
were right there, like uh, the center, like a Kelsey
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or your guards or your deep, your nose, your zero
tech like right there where you're right in the mix
of like all of the mayhem. I think that there's
a whole lot of straining, just a whole lot of straining,
and so there you go. I would take the over. Brady.
You said they were gonna at some point look at
that play and maybe outlawed. So what do you what
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do you think that new play will look like. Is
it's the fact that there are three guys bunched up
behind him shoving him at the same time. Yeah, that's
what's gonna change it. They're not gonna allow people to
shove him moving forward, So it'll it should go back
to the old rule. I just think when you when
you hear about the Competition committee and in what they
meet and they go over and I don't have any
insight on this. This is just my guest because I
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think as teams and coaches in particular, you know, go
to those meetings, they're gonna say this play not only
is dangerous, which anytime you put players safety into the
conversation it grabs everyone's attention, but also it's just the
success rate is so high, much like the P A
T was back when it was so close. They're like,
we need to move it back because it almost creates
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this you know, unstoppable force, and we can't, you know,
we we can't allow us to continue to happen. So
I think they'll try to change the rule back where
you're not allowed to push a player, which eliminates some
of that. You know, I guess the wedge itself. And look,
Philly's got the best offensive line in the league, So
credit to them. They're gonna win more quarterback sneaks more
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often than not because how good that group is. But
there was there was one time in particular, Hurts did
not get it until a second after he was shoved.
And if they called him dead, I was sitting there.
If they called that play did because his forward progress
was stopped, then then that that's a big moment in
the game. That's a pretty significant moment. You know what
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else that came from that, those those plays that I
was sitting there thinking about was the idea it was
back he's bad, he's bad traumatic. It was a good bit.
It was good. It's it's it's it's good. It was
a good bit. But it's not it's not a bit.
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It's a bit. Come on, yeah, I mean locker room
smell on part of this. You know, well, he I
mean it's been a while since just been a locker
it's a good point. Like since ever, Hey, I'm a reporter.
You know, the whole idea of my name was Peter Gaze.
Oh wow, do you think people picked up on that.
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Probably not not the first name, but now it's pretty interesting,
you know, they had they you know, well anyway, so
you know, with the line of scrimmage being a conversation,
you know all week long, who would have the stronger
line of scrimmage, who would be able to handle, you know,
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what was going to come their way? And seemingly you'd
have to think that the way they pushed those guys
back on on that play was in a way it
was demoralizing. It's like, we're coming out here and we
are going to shove this thing down your throat, which
at the for for a moment there, it made me.
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It made me curious as to why they did not
stay with the run more than what they more than
what they did, you know, because I actually thought Casey
did a good job against Philly on the more traditional
runs or even some of the zona red that was
designed in there. You know, it seemed like we we
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kind of got a namored with the short yardage plays
in the quarterback sneaks or even when they ran that
you know, quarterback sweep with hurts for the touchdown. But
by and large, Casey did a pretty good job I mean,
and I think the other thing is you know that
you can't just win that way, like I think, I
think Philly knew if they got if they got into
this game, they weren't just gonna be able to run
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the football, eat up clock, dude, that was not gonna
be the way to go be the can't stay Chiefs
because they could put together a second half like they
did where they go out and score every single drive.
I mean and honestly too, I think they scored on
what I had a chance to square should say, on
six of the eight. You know when when you look
at that the missfield go In the first half, they
had a couple of points, but that was it. I mean,
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they scored every drive after that, So I think Philly
knew they had to throw the football. And bottom line,
it's Hurts was phenomenal in third out him to go
got her was unbelievable. There was three separate catches. I
was like, if you were a Casey fan, you have
to be pulling your hair out. There's nothing you can do.
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They got pressure and Hurts his face, They got coverage
that they wanted. I mean that one time Leo Chanel
had his hand in between daughter's hands and he still
came down with it. I mean, it was unbelievable. And
so you gotta give them credit because they just it
was just a better throw, better route, better catch, and
there's nothing they could do about it. So I don't
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I mean, at the end of the day, if you
if you're a Philly fan, if you want to blame
the fishing, that's fine. You had a fumble that was
return for a touchdown. Like looking back on all of it,
like that was a pretty significant play. Didn't happ at
the end of the game, but that really kind of
kept Casey in the game and kept giving them momentum. Uh.
You know, there was another key drop to about one
of those Philly receivers, the one that where they went
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deep and Jalen Hurts put it right on z Watkins. Yeah,
I mean that, you know, there were there were plays
that that Philly certainly gave away or left on the table.
There's there's no reason for them to to look at
it being anything else other than they made more mistakes
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than what Kansas City did. And and because they all
made plays, both teams made plays. But again the coach
and me, I still go back to I know we
wouldn't have been able to win the game running the
ball all game, But I certainly, to me, I would
have worked to to establish it more than what I
saw them do, just for the simple fact that that's
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the d n A of that team and that's really
what has worked for them all season long was establishing
that run first. I mean, you think about it, San
Francisco did a good job against them running the ball,
and and the championship and yeah, in the championship game,
it was the big place that kept churning and churning
and grinding on them and then boom, a big play
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with pop for them. In the running they outcame them
by almost eighty yards, and they outscored them Philly out
score casey. Yeah. I just I think that the problem
with throwing the ball is you're going to figure out
if you're going to score or if you're going to
punt way quicker than if you're running, if you're able
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to gouge them or run them and and play defense
and not. With that being said, your defense has to
give you the ability and the opportunity to run the ball,
impound it out and you know, seemingly seven points for
three quarters seven points in the first, seven in the second,
seven in the third. Like to me, I almost feel
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as though you needed to run the ball more. That's
just me. Philly ran out of time. Like I don't
like they ran out of time. They I think if
they if they get the less, they ran out of
time for certain, if they get that ball back, they
I would feel strongly about them going down the field. Yeah,
but you could say that if Casey gets back, you
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go back and school. Look, the bottom line is Philly
did everything they probably planned out to do. I mean,
they only rushed or through the ball six more times
than when they actually rushed it. It wasn't like they
were that imbalanced. And they held the football for almost
twelve minutes more than k C. They were kind of
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twenty on third down and fourth down like that literally
tells the story. They were methodically moving the football down
the field like they can't do much else. You just
can't give up a pump return for darn near a
touchdown first in NFL history, And you can't give up
a fumble for a touchdown. And you gotta hope that
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Casey makes some mistakes which looked at Amos field goal.
They had two separate penalties that extended drives For Philly,
you can't ask for much much more. Like Casey is
a good team. I just said. The bottom line is
like you could say, oh, it ran out of time,
Casey could have said they ran out of time. Then
so he goes the better team ultimately because they have
the best quarterback in the league and better coaching in
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my opinion, one in a tight, solid game. So let
me ask you guys this, who's more responsible for the
second half turnaround of the Kansas City Chiefs. Is it
Coach Read or coach toward all? Who do you think
is more more responsible to the way that man put
his head down and ran that ball on that play?
It was the juices from the gods that played played
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the major part. I don't know, dude. They got two
dudes wide open, Darius Tony and sky More could have tripped, dropped, stop, dropped,
rolled into the end zone. There was so wide open
on but those touchdown plays. I mean it was it was.
And by the way, tell me this, LaVar, if you're
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on defense or when someone that wide open, like down
in the red zone and you know you're gonna probably
see them down in the red zone again, how are
you not making it adjustment to that? I mean the
first time, right, and they did eventually Like that last
they didn't. The latest drive actually never adjusted to it.
That's why Scott Moore got the second touch after that.
On that last that very last drive, they finally covered
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the guy trying to come back. I think it was
juju that tried to come back out and they sat
on top of them. But I mean, it shouldn't have
taken that long to see that. What they were doing
was because the reputation is their crossers. All their plays
come crossing, crossing the formation. That's that's what they do.
They totally was playing off of the fact that, Okay,
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we're anticipating them crossing. Can't let them get ahead of
me crossing. And then they came back out, so they
were it almost was like they created a dilemma and
then an extra dilemma by bringing the back. They put
put it back into the flare, and that guy's in
the flare, and then you have the guy that's sitting
there and he's going back out to the flats. As
as the receiver, it looked like it was a crack
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flare pass as it was it's just as a defense,
that's a really really difficult play to defense, knowing that
they're gonna run it there probably if you play it
to the outside, if they adjust and play it to
the outside, you're in the wrong coverage and that is
the that is the bottom line of it. But if
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you were to adjust and play it in a switch
technique where or a banjo technique some people would call
um banjo banjo where where when the guy comes back out,
that corner is still sitting there. They're waiting on who's
gonna be the switch one to you're you're doing the
count one to three if you're waiting for the new
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number one to come back out. There was never someone
out there waiting for the new number one. He became
the new number one and the corner was already gone.
So you usually have a corner waiting there, you know,
waiting for that guy to come back out. So I
don't know what they were trying to anticipate, but I
do know this. If they would have did it opposite
direction and tried to cover it coming out, that receiver
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would have kept going across. They would have adjusted it,
took the receiver across the formation and then now whoever
is covering it is probably going to be playing that
that cover coverage from behind and you're going to hit
it across across or running across your your defense. A lot.
There's a lot of football chard and going on. Right, Yeah,
what we saw, we saw what's his name? We saw
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trek Kill make a living of running across the formations,
getting the ball in full speed and going and make him.
But I remember when they were in trouble, when they
lost Tyreek Kill? Yeah right, remember that? Yeah? You remember
how to retail was going to go to the Super Bowl.
Put a better too. He became a better quarterback. He
started seeing the field from the pocket, better, playing from
the pocket more that that might have been something that
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helps extend his career because he doesn't have to worry
about hang on to the football to extend plays to
allow it's how he killed to you know, uncover himself downfield.
That be one of the more low key beneficial things
for his career. Sounds crazy to say, but it's true.
How about this though, we talk about the position that
Phillies in next year, because look, it's great, they've been
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on the doorstep of winning a Super Bowl. It did
not happen. There's been some speculation they could be losing
both their coordinators to head coaching jobs in Arizona and Indianapolis.
But the trouble for Philly does not stop. There is
that correct. Brady Quinn that's correct, and I shouldn't, you know,
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say that as trouble. Look, Howie Roseman has done as
good a job as any executive in the NFL of
being able to rebuild a roster. We talked about, Hey,
you know their last super Bowl team, which was what
six years ago, sixteen year, they had seven starters still
on the team. From that standpoint, which is is actually
pretty remarkable in most people's minds, they hear, oh, that's
not that many, uh, six years after to have seven
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players starters that are still on the roster, it actually
is pretty legit. So kudos to him with the job
that he's done and being able to maintain those guys
but also build out around a But here's the problem.
So I think we don't agree. They're gonna have to
pay Hurts, right, Yeah, so he's gonna get a monster
deal that's gonna take up a significant portion of their
of their salary app depending on the structure of it.
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But here's what you're looking at, having to move on
from on defense and starting d tackle Fletcher Cox defensive end,
Brandon Graham d tackle, Javon Hargrave, James Bradberry at cornerback,
Chauncey Gardner Johnson who started at safety for them, Marcus
Epps who also played a bunch and at time started
for them at safety. T J. Edwards their inside linebacker, Linvall,
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Joseph Robert Quinn, and Domigan Sue, all guys that they
signed on during the season. All those guys are unrestricted
free agents. That's just defensively, Jason Kelsey, they're starting center,
future Hall of Famer, could retire, but either way, he's
unrestricted free agent. You've then got Isaac Stuwamal who who's
there starting guard right guard. He's also an unrestricted free agent.
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Running back Miles Sanders unrestricted free agent, and then guys
like Boston Scott Zach Pascal all unrestricted free agents. So
the what I'm trying to make is when you look
at this roster and the fact of this team trying
to build back up to get back to another Super
A Bowl, it's drastically different compared to the Chiefs who
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just won. The Chief's biggest offseason concern and consideration is
Orlando Brown, their left tackle. He's up to be a
free agent. Outside of that, it's all right. Juju Smith
Shoes is a free agent, Michoel Hardman, Jerick McKinnon. That's
about it. Everyone else is under contract. I mean, Chad
henny Is is retiring, so you might need to find
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a backup, a guy who coming and help you if
Mahomes gets hurt. But that's it. So you know the
Travis Kelsey's under contract for three more years. Patrick Mahomes
under contract for nine more years. It's just an entirely
different scenario for the Eagles, not only one having to
pay hurts, which, by the way, is a good problem
to have when you've got a quarterback who's displayed himself
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to be one of the better quarterbacks in league and
your starter and franchise quarterback. But you've got a ton
of potential turnover on this roster, and so it it
might take some time to build this back up again.
Like we saw the last time Phil he was able
to get to a sue a Bowl to get back
to in a chance to win another one. Kansas City
has been navigating these waters for a couple of years now.
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Another thing that you can leverage as Kansas City is
getting a quality receiver at a legitimate, affordable price. Like
so if if that's juju, they want to try to
bring back wouldn't want to whatever it is you can
bring guys back because you did it without to re kill.
So you've basically now set a precedence that you know,
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don't come in here trying to get no crazy money
because we don't necessarily even need to pay you that
you know, we let to re kill go be paid.
And everybody thought that that would change the trajectory of
this team. And it seems as though as long as
they have Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey everyone else, y'all
just y'all fit in, like make sure you fit in,
and if you fit in, you come here and you'll win.
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It will be at the Patrick Mahomes, the Andy Reid,
Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey. Um way that that it's now
the their way, right, and you're and you're not loving
losing Steve Spagnola. You know you might lose Eric b Enemy.
He's potentially looking to go to Washington. I know there's
an offer for him to be on the Commandos staff
as their OC the Commando. But but again, you've got
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Matt Naggie in place, who you know, came back to
coach quarterbacks and is kind of you know, sitting there
waiting to get another shot to get back in that
O C position. So I think you're you're prepared for
that if it happens. Whereas as Jonah you just mentioned
reports are Agannon staying in Arizona to interview with the
Arizona Cardinals, you'd have to think they've waited this long
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to to be able to talk with him and potentially
hire him as the guy. Um. And then on the
other side, you've got you know, uh, Shane Steke and
the O C for Philly, who looks to be the
at least reportedly the top candidate for the Colts job.
And so then Nick Serrianti has got to start all
over again. Now they've got a quarterback coach who's pretty
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highly sought after in Brian Johnson. Um. You know, he's
a guy who I think at elk up into that spot.
But again he's green as far as play calling ability,
and you don't know if you're gonna go through some
growing pains there. I just think it's a really interesting
situation the Eagles find themselves in. But if anyone can
do it, um, Howie Rosemand. Can't you know the way
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he's built up this team, This organization has been pretty incredible.
And and also just the reality the Super Bowl hangover
is a real thing. Like we can people can scoff
at and say, well, you know, but this time it's different. Okay,
Well Cincinnati got back to an a f C championship game,
but they weren't able to get past New England. Was
the last team to do it. It just you know,
And I mean the NFC, I would say it's a
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lot more easier to navigate than the a f C.
But I just I think this was the year and
I think Philly probably knew it because look at some
of the moves that they did make. They brought in people,
you know, when they went out and got aggressive and
traded for Robert Quinn and stuff like this. They were
going for it this year because I think they realized,
we've got to pay Jalen Hurts eventually, let's try and
make this happen while we have the Ants. You had
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all sorts of things go your way leading up to
the Super Bowl, the injury to the forty Niners, you
got the Giants for a third try, and the Giants
were no match whatsoever. And that game was there at
halftime for the taking. Everything was going in that direction,
and then the second half that was it just like
they and and still there were opportunities there. I just
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if I'm an Eagles fan, I look at this and go,
this is a blown opportunity for us, Like this is
a blown chance for us to win a Super Bowl.
And now you pay Jalen Hurts And what's that? What's
what are we looking at for her? It's what do
you think, like fifty million he's gonna get a year.
It's gonna be the next monster deal. Yeah, and this
is always that the tough conversation to have, right is,
no matter what you think where you rank Jalen Hurts
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amongst the quarterbacks in the NFL, what they're getting paid,
he's the next guy up. You know. It's what it
costs for a gallon of guests. That's what it costs
for you know, a gallon of milk. You you're gonna
pay the price when you need it. And that's what
the Eagles have. So uh, you know, he'll probably average
somewhere around forty five million a year, if not north
of that, that would be my guess. Um. I don't
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think this thing will get contentious. I don't think that
the Eagles wanted to so well, we'll see what the
final numbers look like. I always look for guarantees um
then the average annual value. Those are the two things
that I'm kind of keeping an eye on. And after
the season he had, he's worth it. He's worth every
penny of it because if he if he doesn't suffer
the injury, he's the MVP of the league. I mean,
I think if he if he doesn't miss those games
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because of the injuries, he's the MVP of the league.
And he was fantastic last night. So he was the
runner up and runner up to the guy that made
him a runner up last night. That's not that's not
a loss in your year. I know it's a miss opportunity,
and I will agree with you because I thought the
better team was Philadelphia. But that's something that again, if
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if they can navigate all the things that that Q
through out there, this is a team that could possibly
be good for a long extended amount of time if
they have all you know, if they have good coaching.
For one, you hate to hear that they may lose
that because it's like you you want to see the
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continuity and the experience play out. These were inexperienced Super
Bowl coaches from top to bottom and and then for me,
you know, to see them possibly be able to bring
back you know some of these guys. I mean, you've
got your your wide receiver's positions shored up pretty well.
Now you know, we didn't bring up Goddard, you know
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what I mean. So between that hit them A. J.
Brown and Devontae Smith, that's a that's a damn if
you can quit. But there's a lot of ifs and
bucks that's connected to what listening to what what they
have to do to maintain that team. Smith though your
year away from having to to start talking about an extension,
you know, and what that's gonna look like depending on
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you know, how much he's he's gonna ask for and
his impact on it. So it's like I said again,
by Roseman has navigated as well as anyone I think
in the NFL um there's no doubt in my mind
that you know, he's gonna be able to figure out
a way. It's just it's hard to keep it all
together and be able to consistently make runs. And what's
so impressive about Brett Veach and what they've done in
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Kansas City is they've found those building block pieces and
it's Patrick Mahomes, it's Travis Kelsey, it's Chris Jones, you
can maybe even say the cases, it's Frank Clark, and
then they've built out around him. And that's why I
think door Orlando Brown junior piece is gonna be huge
and getting that left tackle solidified, and once that's done,
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you've got your five pieces and they're able to if
they could continue to draft the way they've done and
get that sort of production and talent out of Trent
McDuffie and Brian Cook and Joshuare you know, Jalen Watson
and Josh Williams and George Carloftis and Pacheco and all
these guys, right, I mean, even even though Creed Humphrey
and you know, Trey Smith, you know, not rookies, but um,
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if they think can continue to draft that way and
those guys are all hits, like, it's incredible to see
what they're capable of doing. For a long time. Fox
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your opinion of the game was going to be and
who you had winning, there was a reason why the
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point spread was so small and stayed that way for
the vast majority of the two weeks leading up to
the game. That was the hell of a game last night.
That was a fun game. Uh, those two teams played
their asses off. There's a lot of controversy coming out
of that game, but we thought it might go this
way as far as being a close game throughout and
and as far as being a close game when it
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was finally over with that. Nonetheless, Patrick Mahomes and Andy
Reid get it done. A second Super Bowl championship for
Patrick Mahomes. But of course there is some complaining, some
bitching and moaning going on from some people who don't
like to call the James Bradbury call. Nonetheless, the Kansas
City Chiefs get it done. That second half is monstrous form.
Philly hadn't where they wanted it, but Patrick Mahomes strikes
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late and the Kansas City Chiefs are your super Bowl champions?
How about it? How about those Chiefs? I mean, it's uh?
Are they dynasty? I guys? I mean how do we
how do we define their success and the track record
that they've had so far with Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid? Yeah,
I don't know. I don't you know. I think dynasty
can be defined in a few different ways. I don't
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think that that's something you fit in the box up.
I certainly believe that you can look at their amount
of success. What has been four four times? What was
it four times in the playoffs and at the championship
round championship game. It's now five? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? I
mean two super Bowls in four years. They've been to
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three in at least in the five I not that
four year span if not correct? Yeah? I mean how
are we defining dynasty? Are we defining it by the frequency?
Are we are we saying it based on because people
say that Dallas was a dynasty and they got three?
You know, I would put it this way, no one's
done what they've done so far, No one's amit at
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the five straight NC championship games. I would say this
if can you if it ended right now and they
never want another super Bowl dynasty. Yeah, because if you
just go back, if you could describe it as an era,
the Patrick Mahomes Andy Reid era, their run, if you're
talking about it after the fact, that to me is
a dynasty. And so if we're gonna be talking about
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whatever this is, if this is the last appearance for
them in a super Bowl, and who the hell knows
doesn't seem like it's going to be the way they
operate together, then yeah, I think it's a dynasty. They
were overmatched against this Eagles team, and and listen, I
said it coming into the game, if Patrick Mahomes, first
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of all, if the Chiefs are gonna win this game,
it's going to be because of Patrick Mahomes and the coaching.
And if they do win this game, the conversation has
to dramatically change, well not even dramatically, but it definitely
changes for how you look at Patrick Mahomes. And that's
what That's what played out. So I wouldn't have a
problem saying there a dynasty. Honestly, I think that the
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half of a decade of success, the way that they've
had it and the way they've played. I mean, hell, Uh,
who wouldn't want to be a part of that team?
You know, jeez, you saw how happy Juju was. I mean,
who wouldn't want to be a part of this Kansas
City organization shouts out to my boy Beach too. By
the way, Um, they've I mean they've they've overcome all lots, man,
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I mean that and it played out the way you
guys wanted it to. I mean, think about what you
what what you just said to when you mentioned Brett
Veatchs their general manager. They had more rookies this year
play snaps than any team in the NFL. That's gotta
be a scary sign for the NFL when you've got
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patched from Homes on our long term deal, and you've
got all these other pieces that stepped up as rookies,
you know, from Jalen wattson the Josh Williams and Brian Cooke,
the George carloftis I mean you start kind of combing
through it sky more. Um, you know the young players
they have, Tray Smith, you know guys they've drafted Creed
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Humpher on the offensive line, Isaiah Pacheco. I mean these
are all guys who are either a rookie this year
or drafted recently, and you're you're saying to yourself, Yeah,
this is gonna work for a long period of time.
I mean, it's just they've done a tremendous job drafting,
identifying who fits within what they need. Um, you know,
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as far as you know, guys, they've been able to
develop too. I mean, Kadarius Tony couldn't make it work
in it with the New York Giants. He seemed to
have found a home with the Kansas City Chiefs and
gave them a spark and a big play right when
they needed it. So I look at this and I
I guess, honestly, you know, we could call it an era.
Like I'm kind of second guessing myself and asking the
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question to you guys, because you mentioned Dallas, and then
I was kind of thinking of the run that the
Patriots had, well, like the Patriots second run where the
domino An f C East they got to a bunch
of a C Championship games, but didn't necessarily win a
bunch of Super Bowls even though they got to the
kind of that middle point of Belichick and Brady in
New England that area, Like I I guess you can
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consider them a dynasty, but it wasn't as successful as
the very beginning and then obviously the very end for
for Brady in particular, So I guess I look at
it a little different. But I mean, look right now,
if you're if you're like, well, I don't know what
the betting guards are, Jonas, but you'd be better than
the the ANC Championship game next year, would you not. Yes,
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I would feel comfortable betting on Kansas City to make
an a f C championship game for the rest of
Patrick Mahomes's career because, like Joe Burrow, the window is
open as long as Pat is there. Hell yeah, I
think my biggest here, my biggest takeaways from from the
Super Bowl. First one is why did I bet against
Patrick Mahomes? When Patrick Mahomes beat the win against it
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hit the head, Uh, the quarterback that the only quarterback
that can beat them, you know, with one leg. He
went ahead to head and found a way to win
against the only quarterback that really could beat him. Though.
Did you like, if you would have said, oh, someone's
gonna throw for a three h yards in this game,
who's it gonna be? Yeah, I would have I would
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have said you if not Patrick Mahomes, they're not winning. Yeah.
I just I just I just think that I thought
that coming out of that Cincinnati game. They just didn't
have much for Cincinnati and it didn't look good and
they look like they they they had a call that
really assisted them making it out of that game. But
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with that being said, they were close enough to make
it out of that game, and I probably should have
taken that into bigger consideration. My second takeaway is and
the biggest game of the year, and and correct me,
you know, or tell me I'm I'm I'm full of
it or whatever. But the second, the second takeaway I
took from that game was in the biggest game of
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the season, you cannot have an unforced error that leads
to a touchdown. You just can't, Like, I'm sorry, you can,
you can fumble it, you can, you can turn it over.
You can't allow it to just be an unforced are
aware team in the Super Bowl just walks into the
end zone, like, can't do it? And my third takeaway was, well, okay,
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let's make it forward. Because the third one is you
can't allow a major play to happen on special teams,
especially in the most critical moment of the game. It
was too It was too critical of a time to
allow a shifting of the field and the way that
allowed it. And for you, I guess coaching really does matter.
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Like I know, you gotta have a Patrick Mahomes, but
the level and the class of coaching, they totally outclassed
Philadelphia in that second half. I mean, the adjustments that
they made at halftime were freaking phenomenal. And it showed
on both sides of the ball, not just on offense
and I'm scoring all the time. It definitely showed on
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what they were able to do defensively as well. I thought,
that's it's an interesting point. I mean going in the game,
those are the two things I said most of you
is Patch Mahomes end of the game, if they need
to play, he could make it. And then experience of
Andy Reid and Steve Spagnola, who I thought both of them.
If you go back to talking about how if you
would have put together a game plan for how Philly
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was gonna win it first half, the time of possession,
in particular, the way Philly was staying and converting third
down fourth downs, it felt like death of a thousand
paper cuts. That sort of felt like like every time
they got in that formation on fourth and short, third
and short, you sat there and went and here they
go again, they're just gonna sneak and they're gonna push
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hurt so over the top. Which not to get off
on a tangent now, but I told y'all it was
a few weeks ago about that play. That's that play
will be reviewed by the competition committee. I would not
be shocked or surprised if there's not a change that's
made to it. It is too successful of a play.
I think it puts too many players at risk with
the way and as we saw the close ups with
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all the different camera angles, those guys are down there
lunging at each other with their neck and head down.
Eventually there's gonna be a bad injury. Eventually someone's gonna
get hurt, and they're gonna rethink the whole concept of that.
I'm just I'm telling you right now, I cannot imagine
they're gonna allow that play to continue to exist. That
being said, it was effective. Everything that Nick Sirianni and
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Jonathan Gannon and Shane Stike and wanted to do was
effective to a point, and then it became about the adjustments,
and I really felt like Kansas City and you kind
of felt like at halftime it was that line of demarcation.
But to me, it was more of just the way
the game flowed to begin with. Casey won the toss
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deferred and so they just didn't touch the football as much. Right,
Philly was gonna be the team to eat up that
clock and keep the ball away from Patrick Mahomes. And
then in the second half when when Casey got the
ball coming out of half, they were renting right down
the field, and but you still saw Philly eating up
the clock. I mean, at one point we had three
possessions that we were in the fourth quarter. I mean,
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it really was a game plan that I think played
out for the most part how Philly wanted to, with
a few moments and and particular breakdowns defensively, the exact
same play Jonathan Gannon never made an adjustment, the touchdown
Pastika Darius Tony, the touchdown past the sky more. Both
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of those plays were critical and in both cases, all
case He did was get them in a position where
they it looked like they were playing more of a
form of quarters with the way they were doing it.
They motioned down. The outside guy looks like he's going
all across the formation, the corner bumps down, the safety
looks to run and push to the opposite side. Meanwhile
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the guy emotion then just runs right back out in
the flat and there's no one there because the safety
thinks he's gonna scream across the foremas to take him
on the other side. And so you look at that,
and that would that happened twice, And that's where like
you've got to be able to make the end game adjustments.
And the inexperience of Jonathan Gannon I think showcased itself.
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The experience of Steve Spagnola and the rush that started
to push Jalen Hurts out of the pocket to his
left shut down a lot of you know, data were
better tackling to in the second after Casey. But all
those things I think I help him amount to it.
And then there's a controversial call, which I'll put it
this way. The call is not controversial. It's not that's
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defensive holding. You should call that a thousand times out
of a thousand. What's controversial is the timing of it.
There you go, there you go. That's the that's the
problem I had. I don't like my My interpretation of
that call was I'm gonna wait and see if he's
able to catch the ball. If he catches the ball,
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there's no flag. The fact that the ball was right,
I just the ball was terribly overthrown. Myhomes was throwing
it away. It was being thrown away. If you're gonna
make the call, make the call when it happens. You
knew it was a whole if you because again, those
those types of holes take place every play. So if
you're gonna throw the if you're gonna choose to throw
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the flag, I have no problem with you're throwing the
flag flag. It was a foul. It was the timing
of it that was like, come on, man, like like
in the biggest moment of of this game, where you
know it's gonna come down to Okay, these guys are
gonna at least get three points, give this other team
and opportunity too to make a runt of their job.
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It's not your job to throw it that late either.
I didn't necessarily think that you threw it that late.
I actually saw the flag early. They did converse about
it to be able to talk about to make sure
they saw what they call saw because I think they
knew the importance of that call. The problem I had
with is, if you're going to complain about that flag
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being thrown, then you should have complained about an earlier
third down where Kansas City didn't get the call because
there was a clear defensive holding in a turn on
a conversion that would have been that stopped the Casey
drive earlier in the game. Like I've said all along,
you know, if like if you're gonna complain about officiating,
then I think you're a team, And Jason Kelsey has
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said this himself, like you're a team that's probably looking
for excuses in that part. My issue with officiating is
always the inconsistencies, and I thought for the most part
last night that was a very consistent game. They let
them play. I thought Casey shot themselves the foot a
number of times, Frank Clark helping to extend to drive.
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Chris Jones, Yeah, lined up in the news, both those
on third down fourth downds, Like there was a lot
of like the mistakes I thought made by by Kansas
City that it were a bit, uh, you know, unfamiliar
to that team how they play in those moments. But
I go back to if you're gonna be upset about
that call, I understand you don't want it to be
called in that moment, but it's also like, how do
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you say that to the officials, Hey, don't do your
job in the moment that counts the most, even though
it's the definition of what defensive holding would be. Yeah, again,
to me, I had no problem with the foul I had.
I didn't. I did not see the flag come out early.
Maybe you had a different vantage point than I did.
But when I saw that flag, he had already turned
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around and was already hitting into the end zone. The
ball was already up and over his head. The flag
was coming in. The flag came in late. It came
in late. It was not that flag was not thrown
when the foul took place. The flag was thrown after
it was late. It was not like boom, he hit him.
Here comes the flag. And I know that's the whole
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conversation of what Tom Brady was talking about, you know,
the delay of it or or whatever it is that
they got going on those three words that he used,
the one prolonged that was a prolonged throw. That was
a prolonged flag. That's what bothered me. And the like
this is the last like the last two drives of
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the game, that's what bothered me about. I think when
he's saying prolonged, he's probably more referring to, like how
long was the hold? You know, was the hold as
he ran on the inside then cut to go out
was a prolonged and wasn't long enough in that timing
element to warrant the flag. I'll be honest with you,
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I think what hurt it was actually the broad cast
initially didn't see the actual foul that took place. What
what they showed you was once he got back outside
and started to turn up, Bradberry still had a hand
on his hip kind of polling. But that wasn't the
most egregious part. The most egregious part was when he
really tried to grab him and turn him when he
was trying to get back outside and the initial move.
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But what what they showed, they didn't get that until afterwards.
I think that people saw the initial slant down inside
to then run back out, and they saw the grab
by Bradberry, then they would have said, Okay, that's defensive holding.
The question becomes, do you make that call in this instance?
And the reality is, and this is why I kind
of tried to give you guys a little intel on
Carl Scheffer's last week before this game was even played.
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He's coached, or excuse me, He's officiated a lot of
games for the Chiefs. A lot of those games have
worked out for the Chiefs. He's called more penalties in
his cruise than any crew in the league. This wasn't
his exact crew, but he was the head of what
is an all star group of officials. So again, those
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are all things that I think, ultimately, you know, came
down and matter in the end. But you you do
have to acknowledge the fact that you know, to me
it was defensive holding. It's just it's just a matter
of are you the type that's gonna say we're not
gonna call that sort of foul in the final moments
of the game. Uh. And I think the problem with that,
as in Mike Prayer, a deep Landino would say, you
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can't ask them to not do their job in the
moments that matter most too, Like you can't ask them
to put the whistle in their pocket or keep their
flag in the pocket just because you want to see
these two guys duke it out. It's not supposed to
work like that. Be sure to catch live editions of
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn,
LaVar Errington and Jonas Knocks week days at six am
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EA staring three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio app. We have Jonas on field
tap right now. He's he's live on location on Sepulvida.
What's what's going on out there? Jonas? It's better than
what's going on in there? Out there? You are. You
are filthy. It's every hallway you turned down inside the studio,
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you walk right in someone's ask every hallway in the studio.
It doesn't This is uh hey, Jonas, good for you
for putting your foot down for a guy who prides
himself on proper hygiene, a guy who doesn't even eat.
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He sacrifices folks, he doesn't eat ever, just so that
he doesn't have to potentially put someone through the endurance
of dealing with his flash once. So Jonas, I'm glad
you're putt your foot down. Um, I know we're trying
to get the field tap hooked up right now. Meanwhile,
you're on your your cell phone. Hopefully you can find
a warm place to to sit down and do the show.
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Maybe some one of those bums that's out by the end.
I mean, he is out there in the mix. So
where where he is, he certainly could meet a couple
of friends along the way that may have a worse
smell than Berto or Lee put together. I mean, there's
a there's that. There's not a drug addict in Sherman Oaks.
That wouldn't be an upgrade over that's a bit much much,
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it is. It is way too much on your end.
But hey, congratulations of the Kansas City chiefs. So Brady,
what's what's the party the like in kac right now?
What do you feel there? Oh? I mean it will
just be first off, they're ripping darts, right, I've already
told you guys, like at least when I was there
in Casey like that you can still smoke, you know,
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your normal cigarettes in restaurants or bars, least some of them.
They'll be eating some of the greatest barbecue you've ever
had in your life, tipping back on some whiskey, um,
maybe some bourbon to just ripping darts left and right, celebrating.
But here's the thing is, they gotta be carefully gonna
pace themselves because this team might be celebrating these super
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Bowls quite often through the course of it in the
next few years, considering how young this team is, considering
they've got their starting quarterback under contract for forever, and
Andy Reid's coming back at least for another year. So
I would say, enjoy it, casey, fans, party hard, you
deserve it. Congrats to the Chiefs the Hunt family as well,
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but pace yourselves because a year from now you might
be doing the same thing. I'm glad you brought up
Coach Andy Reid. Where you guys paid attention to the
postgame uh celebration? Uh? When when Terry Branch and Terry
Brad's told Coach Reek, can you waddle over here? Hey,
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big guy, Hey, big guy, can you waddle over here? Wait? Wait,
hold on, like that he does, ask Coach read Wattle.
Yes he did, and then he called him an old
ass bat or something to that effect, like you're old
like me, like he was. It was Joan and all
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Coach Read bad I did, like, hey, you're coming back,
you're old like me, like you, what's that light? You
gotta you gotta be in the twilight or your career
now right. I thought it was pretty interesting that that
was an interesting observation. And by the way, I didn't
even know that there was some speculation that Reid was
going to walk away, Like I didn't even know that
there that was a possibility he was going to retire.
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I think, actually you speculated that last week during super
Bowl week, as you threw out a lot of different things. Yeah,
and then I picked up on this point at that point,
I mean, look, we're just spitballing, all right. We broke
down every single angle in this game. We broke down
every every talking point in storyline. So some people were
just making stuff up. By about Wednesday or Thursday, last
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time I see a homeless person walking pacing back and
forth outside our studio windows, I'm really getting oh, oh wait,
that's Jonas my bed, My bad, bad, Can I ask
this Jonas? What? Can Lee? Roberto? Maybe even LaVar which
I was told that LaVar got in the mix there. Yeah,
I mean victim. I don't live in victimhood, and I
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strike back, you know, like no, but they said that
you you struck back, but it almost created his disaster,
if you know what I mean, I mean, all of
it is close to a disaster. LaVar took the sanitizer
wife that he had on the microphone to drown out
the smell, and he took that off and covered his
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mouth and nose with it, which I don't even think
it's healthy. That it's definitely to walk into the studio
to try and gas them up, and then ended up
getting gas himself. And they blocked me. They blocked me
from getting out of the room. They blocked me for
I'm getting out of the room. That ol. Okay, it
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leads me back to this point. What can we do
to get you back? M Look, I just need I
needed a segment, all right. I just want the first
I need to breathe fresh air because there's no Normally
I would just go outside the studio for a couple
of minutes, like in the hallway, but the hallways aren't safe.
All right. Let me ask you guys out everywhere. Let
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me ask you guys this on those on those Jalen
Hurts short yardage, um QB keepers, what was your over
what would your over underbe of of three to four
flagellations during the course of that play. Are you're taking over?
You're taking the under? Since since the under topic it
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was that three and a half, I take the under.
I think three. I think you three? Maybe I mean
you you You were in the mix though, you know
more than I do. Like when I if I was
sneaking the football, I'm just trying to get where I
need to go and get down. I'm not thinking about
all the flatulence. You were the one that was in
there pushing around trying to stuff happen. Yeah, I would
say it's probably a lot more. And I'd probably say
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that there was um matter involved in it as well. Yeah,
I would say because of the amount of strain and
struggle and and grunting that took place, I would say
it's probably a lot more, especially for the guys that
were right there, like uh, the center, like a Kelsey
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or your guards or your deep, your nose, your zero
tech like right there where you're right in the mix
of like all of the mayhem. I think that there's
a whole lot of straining, just a whole lot of straining,
and so there you go. I would take the over. Brady.
You said they were gonna at some point look at
that play and maybe outlawed. So what do you what
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do you think that new play will look like. Is
it's the fact that there are three guys bunched up
behind him shoving him at the same time. Yeah, that's
what's gonna change it. They're not gonna allow people to
shove him moving forward, So it'll it should go back
to the old rule. I just think when you when
you hear about the Competition committee and in what they
meet and they go over and I don't have any
insight on this. This is just my guest because I
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think as teams and coaches in particular, you know, go
to those meetings, they're gonna say this play not only
is dangerous, which anytime you put players safety into the
conversation it grabs everyone's attention, but also it's just the
success rate is so high, much like the P A
T was back when it was so close. They're like,
we need to move it back because it almost creates
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this you know, unstoppable force, and we can't, you know,
we we can't allow us to continue to happen. So
I think they'll try to change the rule back where
you're not allowed to push a player, which eliminates some
of that. You know, I guess the wedge itself. And look,
Philly's got the best offensive line in the league, So
credit to them. They're gonna win more quarterback sneaks more
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often than not because how good that group is. But
there was there was one time in particular, Hurts did
not get it until a second after he was shoved.
And if they called him dead, I was sitting there.
If they called that play did because his forward progress
was stopped, then then that that's a big moment in
the game. That's a pretty significant moment. You know what
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else that came from that, those those plays that I
was sitting there thinking about was the idea it was
back he's bad, he's bad traumatic. It was a good bit.
It was good. It's it's it's it's good. It was
a good bit. But it's not it's not a bit.
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It's a bit. Come on, yeah, I mean locker room
smell on part of this. You know, well, he I
mean it's been a while since just been a locker
it's a good point. Like since ever, Hey, I'm a reporter.
You know, the whole idea of my name was Peter Gaze.
Oh wow, do you think people picked up on that.
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Probably not not the first name, but now it's pretty interesting,
you know, they had they you know, well anyway, so
you know, with the line of scrimmage being a conversation,
you know all week long, who would have the stronger
line of scrimmage, who would be able to handle, you know,
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what was going to come their way? And seemingly you'd
have to think that the way they pushed those guys
back on on that play was in a way it
was demoralizing. It's like, we're coming out here and we
are going to shove this thing down your throat, which
at the for for a moment there, it made me.
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It made me curious as to why they did not
stay with the run more than what they more than
what they did, you know, because I actually thought Casey
did a good job against Philly on the more traditional
runs or even some of the zona red that was
designed in there. You know, it seemed like we we
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kind of got a namored with the short yardage plays
in the quarterback sneaks or even when they ran that
you know, quarterback sweep with hurts for the touchdown. But
by and large, Casey did a pretty good job I mean,
and I think the other thing is you know that
you can't just win that way, like I think, I
think Philly knew if they got if they got into
this game, they weren't just gonna be able to run
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the football, eat up clock, dude, that was not gonna
be the way to go be the can't stay Chiefs
because they could put together a second half like they
did where they go out and score every single drive.
I mean and honestly too, I think they scored on
what I had a chance to square should say, on
six of the eight. You know when when you look
at that the missfield go In the first half, they
had a couple of points, but that was it. I mean,
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they scored every drive after that, So I think Philly
knew they had to throw the football. And bottom line,
it's Hurts was phenomenal in third out him to go
got her was unbelievable. There was three separate catches. I
was like, if you were a Casey fan, you have
to be pulling your hair out. There's nothing you can do.
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They got pressure and Hurts his face, They got coverage
that they wanted. I mean that one time Leo Chanel
had his hand in between daughter's hands and he still
came down with it. I mean, it was unbelievable. And
so you gotta give them credit because they just it
was just a better throw, better route, better catch, and
there's nothing they could do about it. So I don't
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I mean, at the end of the day, if you
if you're a Philly fan, if you want to blame
the fishing, that's fine. You had a fumble that was
return for a touchdown. Like looking back on all of it,
like that was a pretty significant play. Didn't happ at
the end of the game, but that really kind of
kept Casey in the game and kept giving them momentum. Uh.
You know, there was another key drop to about one
of those Philly receivers, the one that where they went
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deep and Jalen Hurts put it right on z Watkins. Yeah,
I mean that, you know, there were there were plays
that that Philly certainly gave away or left on the table.
There's there's no reason for them to to look at
it being anything else other than they made more mistakes
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than what Kansas City did. And and because they all
made plays, both teams made plays. But again the coach
and me, I still go back to I know we
wouldn't have been able to win the game running the
ball all game, But I certainly, to me, I would
have worked to to establish it more than what I
saw them do, just for the simple fact that that's
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the d n A of that team and that's really
what has worked for them all season long was establishing
that run first. I mean, you think about it, San
Francisco did a good job against them running the ball,
and and the championship and yeah, in the championship game,
it was the big place that kept churning and churning
and grinding on them and then boom, a big play
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with pop for them. In the running they outcame them
by almost eighty yards, and they outscored them Philly out
score casey. Yeah. I just I think that the problem
with throwing the ball is you're going to figure out
if you're going to score or if you're going to
punt way quicker than if you're running, if you're able
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to gouge them or run them and and play defense
and not. With that being said, your defense has to
give you the ability and the opportunity to run the ball,
impound it out and you know, seemingly seven points for
three quarters seven points in the first, seven in the second,
seven in the third. Like to me, I almost feel
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as though you needed to run the ball more. That's
just me. Philly ran out of time. Like I don't
like they ran out of time. They I think if
they if they get the less, they ran out of
time for certain, if they get that ball back, they
I would feel strongly about them going down the field. Yeah,
but you could say that if Casey gets back, you
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go back and school. Look, the bottom line is Philly
did everything they probably planned out to do. I mean,
they only rushed or through the ball six more times
than when they actually rushed it. It wasn't like they
were that imbalanced. And they held the football for almost
twelve minutes more than k C. They were kind of
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twenty on third down and fourth down like that literally
tells the story. They were methodically moving the football down
the field like they can't do much else. You just
can't give up a pump return for darn near a
touchdown first in NFL history, And you can't give up
a fumble for a touchdown. And you gotta hope that
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Casey makes some mistakes which looked at Amos field goal.
They had two separate penalties that extended drives For Philly,
you can't ask for much much more. Like Casey is
a good team. I just said. The bottom line is
like you could say, oh, it ran out of time,
Casey could have said they ran out of time. Then
so he goes the better team ultimately because they have
the best quarterback in the league and better coaching in
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my opinion, one in a tight, solid game. So let
me ask you guys this, who's more responsible for the
second half turnaround of the Kansas City Chiefs. Is it
Coach Read or coach toward all? Who do you think
is more more responsible to the way that man put
his head down and ran that ball on that play?
It was the juices from the gods that played played
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the major part. I don't know, dude. They got two
dudes wide open, Darius Tony and sky More could have tripped, dropped, stop, dropped,
rolled into the end zone. There was so wide open
on but those touchdown plays. I mean it was it was.
And by the way, tell me this, LaVar, if you're
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on defense or when someone that wide open, like down
in the red zone and you know you're gonna probably
see them down in the red zone again, how are
you not making it adjustment to that? I mean the
first time, right, and they did eventually Like that last
they didn't. The latest drive actually never adjusted to it.
That's why Scott Moore got the second touch after that.
On that last that very last drive, they finally covered
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the guy trying to come back. I think it was
juju that tried to come back out and they sat
on top of them. But I mean, it shouldn't have
taken that long to see that. What they were doing
was because the reputation is their crossers. All their plays
come crossing, crossing the formation. That's that's what they do.
They totally was playing off of the fact that, Okay,
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we're anticipating them crossing. Can't let them get ahead of
me crossing. And then they came back out, so they
were it almost was like they created a dilemma and
then an extra dilemma by bringing the back. They put
put it back into the flare, and that guy's in
the flare, and then you have the guy that's sitting
there and he's going back out to the flats. As
as the receiver, it looked like it was a crack
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flare pass as it was it's just as a defense,
that's a really really difficult play to defense, knowing that
they're gonna run it there probably if you play it
to the outside, if they adjust and play it to
the outside, you're in the wrong coverage and that is
the that is the bottom line of it. But if
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you were to adjust and play it in a switch
technique where or a banjo technique some people would call
um banjo banjo where where when the guy comes back out,
that corner is still sitting there. They're waiting on who's
gonna be the switch one to you're you're doing the
count one to three if you're waiting for the new
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number one to come back out. There was never someone
out there waiting for the new number one. He became
the new number one and the corner was already gone.
So you usually have a corner waiting there, you know,
waiting for that guy to come back out. So I
don't know what they were trying to anticipate, but I
do know this. If they would have did it opposite
direction and tried to cover it coming out, that receiver
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would have kept going across. They would have adjusted it,
took the receiver across the formation and then now whoever
is covering it is probably going to be playing that
that cover coverage from behind and you're going to hit
it across across or running across your your defense. A lot.
There's a lot of football chard and going on. Right, Yeah,
what we saw, we saw what's his name? We saw
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trek Kill make a living of running across the formations,
getting the ball in full speed and going and make him.
But I remember when they were in trouble, when they
lost Tyreek Kill? Yeah right, remember that? Yeah? You remember
how to retail was going to go to the Super Bowl.
Put a better too. He became a better quarterback. He
started seeing the field from the pocket, better, playing from
the pocket more that that might have been something that
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helps extend his career because he doesn't have to worry
about hang on to the football to extend plays to
allow it's how he killed to you know, uncover himself downfield.
That be one of the more low key beneficial things
for his career. Sounds crazy to say, but it's true.
How about this though, we talk about the position that
Phillies in next year, because look, it's great, they've been
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or wherever you get your podcasts. So the Eagles were
on the doorstep of winning a Super Bowl. It did
not happen. There's been some speculation they could be losing
both their coordinators to head coaching jobs in Arizona and Indianapolis.
But the trouble for Philly does not stop. There is
that correct. Brady Quinn that's correct, and I shouldn't, you know,
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say that as trouble. Look, Howie Roseman has done as
good a job as any executive in the NFL of
being able to rebuild a roster. We talked about, Hey,
you know their last super Bowl team, which was what
six years ago, sixteen year, they had seven starters still
on the team. From that standpoint, which is is actually
pretty remarkable in most people's minds, they hear, oh, that's
not that many, uh, six years after to have seven
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players starters that are still on the roster, it actually
is pretty legit. So kudos to him with the job
that he's done and being able to maintain those guys
but also build out around a But here's the problem.
So I think we don't agree. They're gonna have to
pay Hurts, right, Yeah, so he's gonna get a monster
deal that's gonna take up a significant portion of their
of their salary app depending on the structure of it.
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But here's what you're looking at, having to move on
from on defense and starting d tackle Fletcher Cox defensive end,
Brandon Graham d tackle, Javon Hargrave, James Bradberry at cornerback,
Chauncey Gardner Johnson who started at safety for them, Marcus
Epps who also played a bunch and at time started
for them at safety. T J. Edwards their inside linebacker, Linvall,
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Joseph Robert Quinn, and Domigan Sue, all guys that they
signed on during the season. All those guys are unrestricted
free agents. That's just defensively, Jason Kelsey, they're starting center,
future Hall of Famer, could retire, but either way, he's
unrestricted free agent. You've then got Isaac Stuwamal who who's
there starting guard right guard. He's also an unrestricted free agent.
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Running back Miles Sanders unrestricted free agent, and then guys
like Boston Scott Zach Pascal all unrestricted free agents. So
the what I'm trying to make is when you look
at this roster and the fact of this team trying
to build back up to get back to another Super
A Bowl, it's drastically different compared to the Chiefs who
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just won. The Chief's biggest offseason concern and consideration is
Orlando Brown, their left tackle. He's up to be a
free agent. Outside of that, it's all right. Juju Smith
Shoes is a free agent, Michoel Hardman, Jerick McKinnon. That's
about it. Everyone else is under contract. I mean, Chad
henny Is is retiring, so you might need to find
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a backup, a guy who coming and help you if
Mahomes gets hurt. But that's it. So you know the
Travis Kelsey's under contract for three more years. Patrick Mahomes
under contract for nine more years. It's just an entirely
different scenario for the Eagles, not only one having to
pay hurts, which, by the way, is a good problem
to have when you've got a quarterback who's displayed himself
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to be one of the better quarterbacks in league and
your starter and franchise quarterback. But you've got a ton
of potential turnover on this roster, and so it it
might take some time to build this back up again.
Like we saw the last time Phil he was able
to get to a sue a Bowl to get back
to in a chance to win another one. Kansas City
has been navigating these waters for a couple of years now.
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Another thing that you can leverage as Kansas City is
getting a quality receiver at a legitimate, affordable price. Like
so if if that's juju, they want to try to
bring back wouldn't want to whatever it is you can
bring guys back because you did it without to re kill.
So you've basically now set a precedence that you know,
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don't come in here trying to get no crazy money
because we don't necessarily even need to pay you that
you know, we let to re kill go be paid.
And everybody thought that that would change the trajectory of
this team. And it seems as though as long as
they have Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey everyone else, y'all
just y'all fit in, like make sure you fit in,
and if you fit in, you come here and you'll win.
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It will be at the Patrick Mahomes, the Andy Reid,
Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey. Um way that that it's now
the their way, right, and you're and you're not loving
losing Steve Spagnola. You know you might lose Eric b Enemy.
He's potentially looking to go to Washington. I know there's
an offer for him to be on the Commandos staff
as their OC the Commando. But but again, you've got
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Matt Naggie in place, who you know, came back to
coach quarterbacks and is kind of you know, sitting there
waiting to get another shot to get back in that
O C position. So I think you're you're prepared for
that if it happens. Whereas as Jonah you just mentioned
reports are Agannon staying in Arizona to interview with the
Arizona Cardinals, you'd have to think they've waited this long
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to to be able to talk with him and potentially
hire him as the guy. Um. And then on the
other side, you've got you know, uh, Shane Steke and
the O C for Philly, who looks to be the
at least reportedly the top candidate for the Colts job.
And so then Nick Serrianti has got to start all
over again. Now they've got a quarterback coach who's pretty
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highly sought after in Brian Johnson. Um. You know, he's
a guy who I think at elk up into that spot.
But again he's green as far as play calling ability,
and you don't know if you're gonna go through some
growing pains there. I just think it's a really interesting
situation the Eagles find themselves in. But if anyone can
do it, um, Howie Rosemand. Can't you know the way
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he's built up this team, This organization has been pretty incredible.
And and also just the reality the Super Bowl hangover
is a real thing. Like we can people can scoff
at and say, well, you know, but this time it's different. Okay,
Well Cincinnati got back to an a f C championship game,
but they weren't able to get past New England. Was
the last team to do it. It just you know,
And I mean the NFC, I would say it's a
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lot more easier to navigate than the a f C.
But I just I think this was the year and
I think Philly probably knew it because look at some
of the moves that they did make. They brought in people,
you know, when they went out and got aggressive and
traded for Robert Quinn and stuff like this. They were
going for it this year because I think they realized,
we've got to pay Jalen Hurts eventually, let's try and
make this happen while we have the Ants. You had
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all sorts of things go your way leading up to
the Super Bowl, the injury to the forty Niners, you
got the Giants for a third try, and the Giants
were no match whatsoever. And that game was there at
halftime for the taking. Everything was going in that direction,
and then the second half that was it just like
they and and still there were opportunities there. I just
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if I'm an Eagles fan, I look at this and go,
this is a blown opportunity for us, Like this is
a blown chance for us to win a Super Bowl.
And now you pay Jalen Hurts And what's that? What's
what are we looking at for her? It's what do
you think, like fifty million he's gonna get a year.
It's gonna be the next monster deal. Yeah, and this
is always that the tough conversation to have, right is,
no matter what you think where you rank Jalen Hurts
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amongst the quarterbacks in the NFL, what they're getting paid,
he's the next guy up. You know. It's what it
costs for a gallon of guests. That's what it costs
for you know, a gallon of milk. You you're gonna
pay the price when you need it. And that's what
the Eagles have. So uh, you know, he'll probably average
somewhere around forty five million a year, if not north
of that, that would be my guess. Um. I don't
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think this thing will get contentious. I don't think that
the Eagles wanted to so well, we'll see what the
final numbers look like. I always look for guarantees um
then the average annual value. Those are the two things
that I'm kind of keeping an eye on. And after
the season he had, he's worth it. He's worth every
penny of it because if he if he doesn't suffer
the injury, he's the MVP of the league. I mean,
I think if he if he doesn't miss those games
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because of the injuries, he's the MVP of the league.
And he was fantastic last night. So he was the
runner up and runner up to the guy that made
him a runner up last night. That's not that's not
a loss in your year. I know it's a miss opportunity,
and I will agree with you because I thought the
better team was Philadelphia. But that's something that again, if
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if they can navigate all the things that that Q
through out there, this is a team that could possibly
be good for a long extended amount of time if
they have all you know, if they have good coaching.
For one, you hate to hear that they may lose
that because it's like you you want to see the
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continuity and the experience play out. These were inexperienced Super
Bowl coaches from top to bottom and and then for me,
you know, to see them possibly be able to bring
back you know some of these guys. I mean, you've
got your your wide receiver's positions shored up pretty well.
Now you know, we didn't bring up Goddard, you know
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what I mean. So between that hit them A. J.
Brown and Devontae Smith, that's a that's a damn if
you can quit. But there's a lot of ifs and
bucks that's connected to what listening to what what they
have to do to maintain that team. Smith though your
year away from having to to start talking about an extension,
you know, and what that's gonna look like depending on
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you know, how much he's he's gonna ask for and
his impact on it. So it's like I said again,
by Roseman has navigated as well as anyone I think
in the NFL um there's no doubt in my mind
that you know, he's gonna be able to figure out
a way. It's just it's hard to keep it all
together and be able to consistently make runs. And what's
so impressive about Brett Veach and what they've done in
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Kansas City is they've found those building block pieces and
it's Patrick Mahomes, it's Travis Kelsey, it's Chris Jones, you
can maybe even say the cases, it's Frank Clark, and
then they've built out around him. And that's why I
think door Orlando Brown junior piece is gonna be huge
and getting that left tackle solidified, and once that's done,
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you've got your five pieces and they're able to if
they could continue to draft the way they've done and
get that sort of production and talent out of Trent
McDuffie and Brian Cook and Joshuare you know, Jalen Watson
and Josh Williams and George Carloftis and Pacheco and all
these guys, right, I mean, even even though Creed Humphrey
and you know, Trey Smith, you know, not rookies, but um,
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if they think can continue to draft that way and
those guys are all hits, like, it's incredible to see
what they're capable of doing. For a long time. Fox
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