March 9, 2023 • 47 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox and Brady Quinn are fed up with the pity party for Lamar Jackson who simply lost at the negotiation table with the Ravens. Senior NFL Reporter for the MMQB, Albert Breer recaps the late nights at the Combine, he doesn’t see Lamar Jackson getting the deal he wants from another team and gives insight on the Bears plan with the No. 1 pick. The New York Jets brass is reportedly optimistic about getting a highly motivated Aaron Rodgers.
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It's the best of two pros and a couple of
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and we're just gonna take you up and just talk
football and a bunch of other fun stuff here on
this show. This is what we do on a Thursday.
Would you mind if I just did something real quick though,
because I would like to point this out because there
have been things that have been called into question on
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this show, and I feel like this is appropriate for
this first topic. So sometimes people will call into question
my musical talents on this show. That has been known
to happen from time to time. So I want to
prove to people here that I know what I'm doing
when it comes to the musical format on this show,
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and I know what I'm doing when it comes to
an instrument in my hands and leave that joke alone.
I have brought myself in studio here a violin for
this first topic, and I would like to play this
violin on the air because I feel it's appropriate here.
So let me go ahead and tune this thing up.
Get my chin ready. How does that go? Mmm? Okay,
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get my chin ready. That sounds weird, and away we go,
little beautiful like that. We got Lee playing the piano
in the background too. Yeah, Now, how are you able
to talk while you're playing the violin? I don't hear
many people talk while they're playing. Well, just skilled, you know.
I mean, there's a special mic we have in studio here.
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I mean, you know, just as you know, suspension of
disbelief here, that's what we're doing on this show, and
we're just kind of playing it because I feel this
is appropriate. And now we've got it feels like an
orchestral kind of sensation going through the speakers here. Then
I feel like this is totally appropriate because every time
I go on and I see somebody else bitch and
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moan about the Lamar Jackson situation, all I want to
do about is break this bad boy out and just
kind of play along because I am so tired of it.
For Christ's sake, he got into a negotiation he lost
the negotiation. They weren't willing to give him what he wanted.
They gave him the non exclusive tag, And now he's
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going to go out there and he's gonna see what
other teams want to offer him. And everybody throwing this
collusion crap out, there's a real chance here, believe it
or not, that some teams in the NFL don't want
to tip their hand early. And also or some teams
in the NFL look at Lamar Jackson and say, we
don't know if we want to give him that type
of guaranteed money for a guy who hasn't finished the
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season the past two years. I love Lamar Jackson. We've
done nothing but ballwashed Lamar Jackson the show. But if
you're going to compare him to the ridiculous deal that
weirdo Deshaun Watson got from the Cleveland Browns, it's an
unfair comp That's the exception, not the rule. And everybody
can't stop crying about it. I'm tired of it. Here's
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what I don't get about the people who are having
a hard time digesting this, and there's a lot of
players that are having a hard time digesting this. How
many guys signed a fully guaranteed deal after Kirk Cousins
did it with the Minnesota Vikings. Nobody, right, No one, yeah,
no one unless they signed a one year franchise tag
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that's fully guaranteed exclusive by the way, or they signed
just a one year deal that was essentially a fully
guaranteed deal. That's it. Kirk Cousins did it, and he
got to free agency. He found a team that was
in desperation in the Minnesota Vikings, that needed a starting quarterback.
And by the way, the Jets were a part of
that one, and they unfortunately ended up helping to bid
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up the price a bit to allow than Minnesota to
come back with a fully guaranteed deal. Are you saying
there's a theme there with the Jets that happening. Well,
we can get it to that at litter point, But
the point is that no one else falls suit. People
at the time go, well, that's not a good deal.
Owners you know most likely didn't like it. We didn't
see anything after that, but no one was yelling or
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screaming about collusion. And I know people are still going
to sit there and say, well, okay, but you know
he's a former league MVP that's what four years ago,
back in twenty nineteen. Yeah, as you pointed out, since then,
he hasn't finished the season in the last two years.
He is an entirely different player when you look at
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what they need to do in order for him to
be successful. Initially it was Marty morning Wigg who was
his OC. Right, you go back to do what Joe
Flacco transition to Lamar and Jackson. It was Marty morning
who was the OC. And they said, hey, look, this
isn't Marty morning Wiggs deal. All right, you're like Marty
morning Wigg back from the days of Joe Montana with
the San Francisco forty Minors. Marty morre Wig, right, been
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around the league of a long time West Coast, old
school West Coast guy. This is not his deal. Let's
bring in Greg Roman, right. Greg Roman has more success
running these types of offenses, especially with a quarterback who's mobile,
and they had a degree of success for a while.
And in the regular season, no one's going to dispute that.
No one's going to dispute Lamar Jackson the ball to
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Raven's ability to be able to win games and get
the playoffs. But in the playoffs, it hasn't been pretty.
Teams have adjusted, teams have knocked them out. He hasn't
played well, and now it's got to the point where
he's having a hard time staying healthy. So let's just
on the table, take away all emotion, everything else out
of it, Jonas, and let's just look at it objectively.
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If you're a team who's going to be a bidder
for Lamar Jackson, as talented as he is, you're gonna
have to change over your style of offense, and that
includes possibly your offensive line, the way that group plays
and moves, how they block. You're gonna encore great. You
know there's gonna be some zone schemes, but some gap
schemes as well, different things you're gonna ask them to do.
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You're you're gonna look at your tight end group and
have to really hammer down if those guys are capable
of being as big a pass catchers and run blockers
as what This offense would demand a stable of running
backs to be a part of it as well, because
the reality is, you know, playing the drop back passing
game with Lamar Jackson has not worked out. We've seen
it for five years. He's had outlier years like his
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MVP season, but a lot of that came from some
of the things that came off of it. It wasn't
straight drop back, So you would have to make a
huge transition as an offense in order to even satisfy
what he's capable of doing and how he could help
your team. So, besides a fully guaranteed contract that apparently
is going to be more than Deshaun Watson, you've got
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to turn over your roster. And now, because it's the
non exclusive franchise tag, you have to give up two
first round picks. That is a hefty, hefty price for
Lamar Jackson. And I'm not saying that he's not going
to equate the success and winning football games, But for
people to sit there and go, We'll wait a second,
you know, why wouldn't these teams at least be in
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the mix. I personally, if I was a general manager,
head coach, I wouldn't have come out that the second
that there's a non exclusive franchise tag put on Lamar
Jackson say yeah, we're not interested. Yeah, I'd explore. I'd
give him a call, and I'd sit there and say, okay,
you know what are you looking for? And I at
least asked what the number was. But two of the
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teams in Atlanta and Carolina both draft in the top ten.
They can go find their next quarterback in the draft
for way cheaper and guys who aren't going to require
the type of transition on the roster like Lamar Jackson
would have won, or at least transition an offensive philosophy.
So it's an entirely different conversation that people just don't
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want to acknowledge because they look at the Shawn Watson
and they're like, oh, it's collusion. I've even heard some
people go, what it's racist. They won't you give him?
It's like, well, how does that work? Deshaun Watson got
the most guarantee deal in NFL history. What are you
talking about, right with all sorts of extras that came
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along with it, like the baggage in the eleven game,
suspension and all the other stuff that happened there. I
just and the other part of that too is that, well,
the Ravens did him dirty, which part by not giving
him everything he wanted, which was a ridiculous contract, or
the fact that they moved up in the draft to
trade him when you had other people out there who
were talking about him, and we're talking respected talent evaluators
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who said, well, he should consider being a wide receiver.
The Ravens made the move. They're the ones that drafted him,
They're the ones that built around him and said, no,
this is going to be our guy. And they've been
nothing but supportive of him publicly. They've been nothing. But
it's not like the Ravens don't want him back. They
just don't want him back for two hundred and thirty
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plus million dollars fully guaranteed, Like, what's wrong with that?
I agree, there's you know, a lot of players in
the NFL deserve guarantee contracts. I think it sucks the
franchise tag a lot of the way this stuff is structured.
And I've learned a lot of that just from talking
to you, because a lot of the fluff that's thrown
out there from agents who report, well it's a four year,
one hundred and sixty million dollars deal, Well not really,
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they can get out of it after one year. You know,
there's certain things that you see with some of these contracts.
I totally agree. But the fact of the matter is,
this is what it is. Like this is the way
these contracts are done and the way the NFL has done,
and I think there should be more outrage and more
questioning of still, why the hell did Jimmy Haslim give
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Deshaun Watson with all the stuff in his background two
hundred and thirty million fully guaranteed? That should be more
the focus of the conversation. Not Lamar Jackson deserves that
because he was an MVP and he doesn't have any
off field issues. Totally agree, but that just showcases what
a ridiculous contract that was that Jimmy has them handed
out to Deshaun Watson a last offseason and we why,
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we talked about it and we got crushed then. So
you get buried then for criticizing that contract, and then
you get buried here for not wanting and not understanding
why people can't figure out why Lamar Jackson's not getting
everything he wants. I just I don't get it, man,
you can't win with this crap. Well here's the other
thing too, that makes things more complicated. Obviously, he doesn't
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have an agent right now, and it's using the NFLPA
to help consult. But it's almost like this, have you
ever liked whether it's like a cell phone company or
a cable company where you had to deal with like
their customer service, which, for anyone who's had to do
it before, like how awful is that? Yeah, listen, I
mean it's just like it's a it's a non winning battle,
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and it's it doesn't help for the person that you're
dealing with either. But sometimes the customer service isn't great
because they're just getting it all day. But the reality
is this, By a quick story, I talked to a
customer service rep from I don't want to I don't
want to air out the company, but in talking with them,
I could hear dogs barking in the background, and I'm
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thinking myself, hold on, you're gonna fix my issue from
a kitchen somewhere in the middle of the country with
dogs barking in the background, when I clearly need to
talk with one of the higher ups. It just so Yeah,
it's a pain in the ass throwing through. But I digress.
The interesting thing about that scenario is when you know,
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usually when people are are like just they're gonna move
on from the cable company or maybe it's seven the
cell phone company, and they're not coming back their tone
is going to be a lot different, right because you know,
you never have to talk to this person or anyone
like this person in this company ever again, right, like
this is it, this is the last straw based on precedent,
whatever it else you want it to be, you never
have to deal with them ever. Again. You want to know,
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it's good to have an agent because they have other players.
And so if a team is working with a player
like Lamar Jackson, who's been a former MVP, has been
extremely successful, that agent one is going to be pounding
the pavement to earn anything from that you know, for him.
But also you know what the team has to deal
with that agent again yea if you do, if you
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try to do that agent dirty, you try to do
a bad deal, that agent's gonna remember and it's gonna
be hell. And sometimes if for action's relationships to the
point where players even have to go get different agents
to represent them, like we saw with Daniel Jones switching
from CIA to Athletes first. CIA couldn't get the deal done.
Guess who did Athletes first? So if Lamar Jackson had
an agent in this case too. One of the things
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that people are overlooking is the fact that that team,
they have to deal with them again, They're gonna have
to deal with that agent or any other team that
would bring on Lamar Jackson, like they have to be
a constant contact with his agent, whether it's for his
own player, for Lamar or for other players. And so
those are little things that really add up when they
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complicate a very complex situation like this, where you've got
a player who thinks is worth or a market value
is greater than what it is. You know, if he
would Joe Flacco, who was at one point in time
the highest played player in the NFL, by the way,
but he was coming off a Super Bowl win, he
gambled on himself and he went out. And that's what
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Lamar Jackson's done. The hard part is he doesn't have
the Super Bowl win, and he doesn't have two seasons
of remaining healthy and being an MVP. That was four
years ago. It seems like it's trending in a different
direction now. And for him not to be able to
understand why a team might be hesitant, I get it,
But you can't look at the Deshaun Watson deal and go, oh,
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this is what I should get. Shouldn't Patrick Mahomes restructure
his contract and get that. He should Josh Allen Age,
should Joe Burrow get that? Then do you think Joe
Burrow's gonna get that? He's not gonna get that contract.
I mean, that's that's the reality of where we're at is.
If it was Patrick Mahomes who wanted this contract and
didn't get it, I'd be understanding of the frustration. But
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it's not. It's Lamar Jackson. And I'm not saying that
he doesn't deserve a ton of money, but he's just
not gonna get the total guarantee that he's looking for.
That's just the reality of the type of player he is.
You know what I wonder too, Baltimore has never They've
always been one of the most well run organizations in
the NFL. You never hear a lot of bad stuff
come out when it comes to the Baltimore Ravens. And
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I wonder if it would if he went out and
found that, ay, some of these contracts or are low
ball offers. It wouldn't surprise me if Baltimore kind of
did him as solid and said, hey, we're still willing
to offer you what we had before. It's more than
what you've been offered from other teams, but we love
you like. This is not this is not a case
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of we're trying to get one up on you and
trying to save some money here or there. Like we're
willing to go ahead and give you the contract that
was still on the table, even though that contract is
what twenty thirty thirty million dollars more over the life
of the contract. It wouldn't surprise me if they still
It's not like Baltimore saying no, not a believer. No,
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they just just not into this, Lamar. Just go do
your thing. They've tried, they've tried to get this done
for a long ass time. They've been consistent with we
want him back. He's our guy. We want Lamar back.
The idea that they're doing him dirty, I just don't
understand where that comes from. I really don't know, especially
considering when you laid out initially like they're the ones
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that traded up in the draft Ozzie Newsom's last draft
to take him, and Eric da Costa was a part
of that too, in that room, who's now their general manager,
and so they've had his back. They've built this thing
completely around him, and I think all they're doing now
is exercising the fact. They're like, hey, look, if you
find a team that gives you a better offer than
what we gave you after the market, so be it.
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But the other hard part about that is no other
teams want to do the negotiating and the deal making
for the Baltimore Ravens. That's part of this too, like
no one wants to do the Ravens work. The Ravens
work going this front two years and as it worked out,
and so it's got to a point where Steve A
Schotti and Eric da Costa say, Okay, go find an
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offer that better than what we've offered you, and if
you find that, we'll match it. And that's the position
that they're in right now. Be sure to catch live
editions of Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with
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the iHeart Radio app. Right now, we turn it over
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to Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at the MMQB. You
can get him on Twitter at Albert Brier. A friend
of the show, Albert, how the hell we feeling here
on a Thursday morning. What's up at I'm good, guys,
what's happening? Just not much, man, I think we missed
you last week. I know, I know I sleep a
little later when I'm at the Combine. Why is that, Albert?
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I mean, I just feel like I need my red
you know, is that what it is? Or you booze it?
Just trying It's just just just trying to stay fresh,
you know what I mean? Brady, listen that there's a
lot going on at the Combine. Come on, hey, hey, Albert,
come on, tell everyone what really happens at the Combine.
You know what happens to the comboy. You are only
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there as a player. Have you ever been there? You've
been there as a media person. Yeah, all the time.
And that's what I'm saying. It's a boozefest. Yeah, yeah,
it's um. There are some late nice to happen at
the Combine. I mean you can tell you the rest
of that. Well, look, you know, you got work to do,
and sometimes, you know, people's medicals may come back late
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late at night and you just happen to be sitting
at Saint Elmo's or wherever that place is. Called, and
you got to go over that stuff. Prime networking. Networking
the best is So, whether it's Super Bowl or whether
it's the Combine, I'm usually there. I wasn't at the
Combine this year, but I would run into Albert An.
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Albert would say, hey, I'm not gonna come on radio tomorrow.
I know the super Bowl though, I made it in
Purse of the super Bowl and that was like mountain time. Yeah,
you gotta at least give me points for that one. Yeah,
you did a job, all done, and it was the
hell Yeah, I mean I earned I earned that Mulligan
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last week. Yeah, you know. And plus it was a
packed house, so having to you know, fight through all
the fans outside of a radio row that we're there,
it's just John, it's just getting by hard. N's crazy,
tell me about it. I mean I deal with that
every single day here on the way to work. Um,
all right, So Albert, can we get just get to
the straight to this here? When it comes to Lamar Jackson,
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how's this going to play out? Because everybody's throwing out
collusion and and it's there, you know, defending Lamar Jackson
and all the like. Baltimore wasn't trying to get a
deal done. And we were talking earlier like this is
just the business of the NFL, and and maybe they
just are saying, if you think we're low balling, you
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go see what else is there and and maybe we
can pick up this conversation another time. Yeah. And you know, I,
you guys know, I'm never afraid to criticize an owner
or owners for that sort of thing. I just I
don't see it here whatsoever. Um. You know, I I
think this is a complicated, complicated situation. And if you're
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another team looking at bringing in Lamar Jackson, you got
to check a lot of boxes to get to the
point where it's like okay, like we're gonna go after him. Um.
And you know it's are you comfortable with his injury history?
Are you willing to run the sort of offense he's
going to need for you to run? Do you look
at the mileage on his body? Does that bother you?
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Given that how many years out are you going to
guarantee in the contract? Um? It's just there are so
many boxes that you have to check. And by the way,
like there were a lot of boxes you have to
check on Tom Brady. You know, three years ago, and
that's why they're at the end we lose him. Yeah,
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I mean at one point it sounded like Albert just
turned into an air traffic control amazing. I didn't know
he had a walkie talkie on hand at all times.
That's uh, that's something. Oh, I mean, I think we've
upgraded for pim Biga's car. Have to deal with the
digging bell every time. By the way, I gotta find out,
like is Albert does he live in the Boston area
or Bayroute? Like where exactly is he? All I know
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is it sounds like he lives in a heavily wooded
area that's out in the booties of the sticks. And
what I don't understand is like it's not like Boston's
that big like surrounding the area. Obviously my in laws
are from there, and you get a little bit outside
of the city, you just lose cell phone service, Like
how is this possible? It's Boston, It's like a major
city in the US. It's somehow like four miles five
miles away no cell phone service, Like, how does this happen?
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The best part is we we roll in it. We're
a little bit more spoon. I'm not even in my
I'm not even in my car this time. Like that
was weird. Do you go for a walk? What do
you what are you doing right now? Albert, I'm sitting
on my porch. Oh that's nice. That sounds nice. It's
a nice weather up. We're your out sitting on his
porch just directing planes. I mean we've got tailed number
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nine five four niner coming in. It's it's got Albert Breer.
He'll be landing the plane. License play two PCOJ driver
of the car. Alberty there, yeah, swinging a miss well,
I mean listen, uh it's live radio. I mean this
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is what you get. You know, sometimes you run into
a little bit of these issues, and you know who
we need. We need to demand that Albert gets the landline.
Like just we need a hard wired landline in his house.
I don't know if he has one. That's what we
need to make sure we demand from now on from
the he needs to find one if he doesn't have
one in his house. Landlines are solid. Alberty there. If
you guys are capable of doing zoom, I'm happy to
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do zoom upgrade. Um yeah, so I don't know, I
don't know what what the hell happened there? But I
think we're good now, it's all good. I cut out there,
like Brady asked where I porch? So yeah, into it there.
It is beautiful, beautiful morning and up in the northeast.
So so let me ask you this, Albert, just to
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follow up on the Lamar Jackson conversation, do you think
he gets an offer from someone that's gonna either appease
him or surpass what has been rumored or reported that
the Ravens have already offered him. I think, I mean,
based on what we know right now, and remember it
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only takes one team, I think he's going to get
some interest. I think there are going to be some
teams that are going to call um next year. Were
those teams though, because so many came out like right
away saying hey, we're not interested. Look, I think that
there are a few teams that are just that that
that aren't going to do it right. I don't think
the Panther, I don't think the Colts are going to
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do it. I don't think the Falcons are going to
do it. I don't think the Commanders are going to
do it. Like I take those teams that I don't
think those teams are going to do it like the Raiders.
I think the Raiders will probably make a phone call
and I think the Raiders probably would look at it
and say, because Josh McDaniels really liked Lamar coming out,
I think that they make a phone call and they say,
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all right, like, we're willing to do this. We don't
want to do a full yearanteed deal, but like, let's
talk and let's see if we can find some sort
of middle ground. I think at the end of all this,
Brady like chances are the Ravens are going to be
proven right. And we've talked about this really for the
last year, me with you guys, like the Ravens have
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offered a top of the market traditional quarterback contract and
after two years. The reason the Raiders, the reason the Ravens,
the reason the Ravens are doing this is because they
want a conclusion. They can put the exclusive tag on him.
Then you know, maybe he winds up having to sign
the tender and then they're right back here next year.
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This is basically the Raiders that the Ravens saying enough.
You know, the Ravens are saying, whether you're on the team,
or not. We want to know like long term where
we are at quarterback. And I think they figured this
was the quick way to find a resolution and getting
somebody else to write the contract for them. And you know,
I think in the end, whether it's somebody else write
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in the contract or the Ravens writ in the contract,
I do think chances are it's going to be hard
for Lamar Jackson to find the sort of contract that
he wants, the sort of contract that Deshaun Watson got
last year. Albert, do you know any numbers are you've
seen or that you trust any of the reporting on
just the dollar amount guaranteed wise that Lamar Jackson turned
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down from Baltimore that he's seeking, or just like how
far apart are they on some of the you know,
some of the numbers and the money that's being thrown around. Yeah,
And I think sometimes people make the mistake it's just
looking at the average per year and thinking that's all
there is to it. And I know, you guys know
that there's a lot more that goes into these things,
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you know, But my feeling is they they've been willing
to go, you know, between forty five and fifty million
dollars where the quarterback market is. Now, how much are
they willing to guarantee? Well, like I said, I've heard
traditional quarterback contracts, so that would tell you the first
two to three years are guaranteed, and then after that
there are some years in the deal that aren't guaranteed,
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that are you know, basically the tacto team options. So
I think the Ravens are willing to go you know,
where the Broncos went on Russell Wilson, where the Cardinals
went on Kyler Murray. Like, I don't think they're willing
to go where the Browns went on to Shaun Watson.
And you know, now, I think one way or the other,
we're going to find out where the market is, right, Like,
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That's what this is about, is well, mar Jackson has
been seeking what he thinks his market value is for
the last two years, and by putting the non exclusive
tag on him, the Ravens are saying, okay, like, go
find out what you go, figure out what your market is,
and come back to us, and then we'll see which
way this thing has gone. I want to transition to
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talking about the Jets and their visit out to Aaron Rodgers.
They obviously come back. We haven't really got anything from
the report there. Maybe we're just kind of waiting to
see what those details will be Albert, but I could
always feel like, if you go out and visit a
guy like that and you don't hear anything, it's probably
not a good thing. Are the Jets maybe a team
too to consider if, like, now that Lamar is potentially
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out there, do they go all right, depending on how
Aaron handles this, we might pivot and go to Lamar
Jackson instead. Oh yeah, No, I think that the Lamar
Jackson would definitely be one of the guys the Jets
would consider if the Aaron Rodgers thing doesn't work out.
And you know, I think a lot of what's happening
in New York steam driven my ownership. But if you
look at their football people, there's also some ties there
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to Baltimore. They're general manager Joe Douglas, you know, worked
in Baltimore for over a decade, started his career there.
Chad Alexander one of their top executives. He's from Baltimore too.
There's ties between the Jets organization the Ravens organization where
the Jets should have good information on Lamar, and I
do think, you know, again to a larger's degree ownerships
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pushing this and if we know anything about Woody Johnson
and looking at you know, the twenty plus years that
he's on the team, love star power, right, and so
Aaron Rodgers is obvious at the top of that list
as far as bringing that start in New York and
making yourself relevant again. But I think if you if
it's not going to be Rogers, then you couldn't do
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much better than bringing Lamar Jackson. So I think that
they would at least throw their hatton the ring. I
don't know how far they'd be willing to go as
far as the guaranteed money, but I think they'd absolutely
make a play for him. Albert Bridge joining us here
on Fox Sports Radio. Here it's two pros and a
cup of Joe on fsor you can get him on
Twitter at Albert Briers, senior NFL reporter at the MMQB. So, Albert,
you had a chance to sit down and talk with
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Bears Brass about just sort of what the plan is
at number one in kind of the direction they're going
to go at the top of the draft. What is
your guests as to the compensation and what they're looking
at when it comes to trade back and players that
they're eyeing near the top of the NFL Draft coming
up next month. Yeah. So um, you know, when I
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talked to to Ryan Poles and Mattie either Flus about
this over the weekend, they've said at that point, three
teams are called and they viewed seven players as sort
of the top group in this year's class, like the
blue blue chip players, and then there's a drop off
after that. That's important because that can inform you as
far as how willing they're far, how far they're willing
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to drop down it certainly you know, puts the Texans
and play it to the Colts and play at four.
I would say, you know, the even the Panthers at nine,
like you probably feel fairly comfortable that you're going to
get one of your seven if you drop down to nine,
because you know, if four quarterbacks go in the top eight,
say that one of the position players is going to
drop down to you. So um, you know, I think
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they feel comfortable about where the market is, you know,
the as far as the compensation goes. Yeah, somebody had
mentioned to me, you know during combine week that if
it's like the Colts going up, they could see it
being the sort of deal where it's like two ones
two twos, which is, you know what the compensation was
for Russell Wilson last year. But either way, it looks
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like the Bears are going to be able to set
themselves up to put a lot more players through free
agency in the draft around Justin fields. And to be
the great thing about that is is like, if you're
Ryan Paulson, Matti Eberflus, you can look at this and say,
we're going to be able to get more clarity on
justin fields in two and twenty three, And if it
doesn't work and we're bad again next year, maybe we're
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in a position to go and get Caleb Williams and
or Drake May in twenty twenty four. And you know,
from the people I've talked to, at least there are
a lot of teams feel like if those two guys
were in this year's draft, those guys would be one
two in this year's draft. So punning on this year's
quarterback last I don't know the Bears see that as
some big sacrifice. Any surprises or anything you're looking forward
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to Albert we don't have much time here, but as
we get closer to the beginning of the new league year,
anything in particular we should be looking out for or
I guess, you know, prepare ourselves for. Yeah, you know,
I think body of the big thing is going to
be like the teams looking creatively at trades, you know.
And I think you know, you may hear this team
called on this player, this team called on that player.
Teams feel more i'd say liberated to sort to to
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shoot their shot on players now. And it's not like, oh, well,
you know, these five players and this team are untouchable.
I won't call them. Teams will call them players now,
you know. And so I think when you look at
the landscape, you see a free agent class, right, and
it's not great, like you may have four or five
players that are like top shelf players, um, and then
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after that there's like a pretty significant drop off where
I think teams are gonna look at it and say,
this guy's gonna get overpaid, this guy's get overpaid, this
guy's gonna get overpaid. And you know, so if you're
looking for better and help, one way to do it
is to you know, punt on free ag agency and
look at the trade market. So I think as we've
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seen the last couple of years, and in particular last
year with guys like A. J. Brown and Tyreek Hill
DeVante Adams getting moved, is you know, teams being more
aggressive about calling other teams about their star players and
maybe that leads you know, a star too that you
wouldn't think would be moved getting moved. Next week. Get
him on Twitter at Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at
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the MMQB always kind enough to join us here on
Fox Sports Radio every single week. Albert, We appreciate it, man,
enjoy the rest of the day in your time with
the fan. Awesome, Thanks guys, and I apologize for the
I guess what was it? Free pride? I think it well, actually, Albert, honestly,
it kind of makes for just a typical call in.
We love it, like that's what makes you unique? Man?
(31:46):
Who cares? It's good drama, right, yeah, yeah, so we
never know what's gonna happen with Albert pops on. Yeah,
it's always fun. Yeah, but we'll do it again next week.
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So we started Latin an hour one. We just discussed
the Lamar Jackson situation and all the bitching and moaning
and everybody running to Lamar Jackson's defense. We also talked
about Aaron Rodgers and New York Jets. Left the meeting
with Aaron Rodgers and California and then went back. We
were like, all right, so what's the plan. How's this
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whole thing going to shake out? According to Diana Rasini
of ESPN, she wrote the following on the situation involving
Aaron Rodgers and the New York Jets, and this just
went down short time ago. Quote in the wake of
an extensive in person meeting between Aaron Rodgers and the
New York Jets brass, including owner Woody Johnson, there's optimism
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in the Jets organization that they are on the brink
of landing the future Hall of Fame quarterback, sources close
to the situations situation tell ESPN. While optimism existed before
the California meeting, Woody Johnson felt it was important to
meet in person. Sources said. Johnson left the meeting excited
and satisfide about the potential match, as the Jets, in turn,
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only are working under an optimism that this will happen.
The Jets and the Packers remain engaged in conversations about
compensation and contract. Sources said. Those conversations already started before
the meeting, and so now we wait to see if
the Jets can close a deal to bring a future
Hall of Famer from Green Bay to New York. Well,
based on all that information, the one team who would
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be capable of screwing this whole thing up would be
the New York Jets. But it does sound like we
could be on the verge of this happening. Aaron Rodgers,
following in the footsteps of his predecessor Brett Farven, going
all the way to New York to play for the
New York Jets. How about it? I mean, and it's
a team that's loaded. They're ready to win. I know
this past season didn't work out quite the way they
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had hoped or wanted. They had a really difficult schedule.
I think the good thing too, is coming into this year.
You know the seven and ten record that it should
be quite as difficult. But the AFC East is going
to be a piece to deal with. But when you've
got Aaron Rodgers, you've got every opportunity. I said before,
I personally feel like, even as good as the Bills are,
if they land Rodgers, that's where my money money's going.
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I'm betting on them to win the AFC East this year.
I just think he brings an entirely different element to
that team. When you think about how good their defense was,
and they have another draft too that that's coming up,
I don't think they're going to be you know, giving
away there obviously is gonna be draft capital that's gonna
be given away this year. I would hope too, that
they looked at twenty twenty four to give away some
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of that so they can keep building off the nucleus
that Joe Douglas has set in place there now and
get Rogers in there for the next two three years,
they're gonna have a window to do something really special.
But man, that AFC Conference is gonna be so much
fun to watch with all the great quarterbacks. And also,
I think a lot of people forget that the Jets
were Look, we can be as critical as we want
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of their handling of the Zach Wilson situation and how
sensitive the fan base is and all the other stuff
that went along with it. But there was a clear
divide last year for them, and it was that game
him in Denver where Bruce Hall got injured. I think
it was a Elijah Bara Tucker also got injured. He
got knocked out for the season, and those were two
key ingredients to what they were doing on offense, and
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still they found themselves in contention. If you go back
and look at last year, things were different after that point.
If they're healthy on the offensive line and you get
that another weapon on offense back and he can play
a full season, it's hard to beat that as a spot.
Aaron Rodgers would look at and go, I think I
can compete there like they do. To your point, have
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a lot more going on there. They are the Jets
and all the other stuff that comes along with it,
But out the only issue for them has been the quarterback.
And this feels like this definitely solves it for at
least the next year or so. Then then we get
to see a play out on the big stage in
New York with Aaron Rodgers going there, and then we
see what that division looks like. It would be them.
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Him versus Josh Allen twice a year would be a
damn good time to watch. And the AFC you would
just get even more loaded at quarterback. It's unbelievable. With
that side of that, that side of the NFL looks
like now he'd walk in and be the most talented
quarterback they've ever had, and with the New York Jets,
and that's including Brett Fare, who obviously went there for
a stint, but at that point Brett Fare's career, it
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felt like he was, you know, kind of battling through
a bunch of nagging injuries, different things going on. You know,
Rogers battled through some last year. It feels like he
comes they're healthier. He's only two years removed from winning
back to back MVPs. And I also feel like the
roster is in such a good spot if and when healthy.
I don't know if they have the depth they'd like
to have necessarily on the offensive line or even at
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the skill positions, but Garrett Wilson, the way he looked
last year. You add in a few more pieces too,
to go along with Breeesaw when he gets back, They've
got enough pieces there to really make this thing go.
And if there's concerns about Nathaniel Hackett as a play caller,
to me, they're completely alleviated if Aaron Rodgers is there,
because you know what this offense is going to be.
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It's gonna be Rodgers gets up to the line of
scrimmage and he decides what they're gonna go with. You know,
he's gonna be able to control and dictate a lot
of that. Give it as what's seventeen going in his
eighteenth year or whatever it's been. Now, he's got that
wealth of experience and knowledge. He knows what he wants,
he knows how to get it, and I still think
he can play at an MVP level. So it's a
great scenario for the Jets. We have to keep if
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you're a Jets fan, just keep your fingers crossed because
again the Jets will have some misfortune happen from time
to time. But either way, look, Woody Johnson has bought
into making that quarterback position better. Yeah, whether it's Rogers
or even if it's Lamar. If something falls through with
Rogers one way or another, they're gonna they're gonna have
a dynamic quarterback you know back there. Either as a
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passer or as a runner, depending on which one they
get after this offseason's all said and done. And Mike
Garifolo of NFL Network reported yesterday that it's where Green
Bay stands at this point. They're thinking, is let's get
as fair of compensation as we can just get to
move on and turn this thing over to Jordan Love.
So it doesn't feel like, at least according to that,
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you know, they're going to hold the Jets hostage for
as much as they can possibly get and make a difference.
What's going to be really interesting about you know, Rogers contract,
which may need to be restructured not only to fit
in with within the Jets cap situation, but also as
far as part of the trade details. What's going to
be interesting is how much the Jets are going to
be willing to take on of his contract moving forward
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and if they'll need to restructure it or not. And
the reason why I bring that up is, you know,
if you're the Packers and there's fair trade, you know compensation, well,
so let's just say you're you're offering up Aaron Rodgers
and he's got what is it, two years left on
his deal? I believe you know, they're probably looking at
that saying, Okay, we need at least a one, a
couple twos, and maybe a three or four, right if
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you're looking for draft capital compensation, and that might sound
like it's not enough, Like you need a couple ones
for Aaron Rodgers And you could go that route too.
But the only reason why that offer doesn't sound bigger
is because he's only got two years left on his deal,
and I think there's some uncertainty too and how much
longer he wants to play. So you've got to make
an offer that just not taking into account as contract
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at the moment, that's going to take into account the
fact he's only going to be playing under contract for
two more years. All right, So now let's look at
the contract. It's a heavy, heavy cap hit this year.
I want to say he's owed one like fifty eight
millions something like that, And so in order to facilitate that,
the packers may say, hey, we're willing to take on
and pay a greater portion of this. It just depends
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on how much more draft capital you want to get us.
And so if the packers are going to be willing
to pay any portion of Rogers contract, it might add
another pick to it, or a couple of picks where
they essentially would be buying those picks. So if it
ended up being like two ones and in two twos
into three, it might be also that the Packers are
taking out some of the cap hit that would end
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up hitting the Jets with all this, or the moneys
that would be owed to Rogers. They might be paying
for some of those in lieu of moving on from Rodgers,
but in an exchange for getting back draft picks. If
that makes sense. Yeah, and well I think it's um.
One of the first examples of that was brock Osweiler
back then, was it was it Cleveland? Did Cleveland do it? Yeah?
Where the people and basically took over his contract and
exchanged what a second round be. Yeah, something like that. Yeah,
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that's whole that old situation, which the NFL frowns upon
because they don't want teams to do that. It happens
in every other professional sports league. You see players get
traded somewhere else, they basically take on the salary and
then they end up releasing them or dumping them, and
it happens everywhere. Yeah, just do us a solid. Here's
a pick and then and then everybody moves on. I
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also think, because I've seen this throughout, I think Lavars
also felt this way as well too, and we've talked
about it is well, you know, does Aaron Rodgers really
want to play? What? You know? How motivated is he?
There was a report that came out from your guy
Mike Silver who said the Packers felt like he kind
of checked out after he got his contract. The one
thing we know unequivocally about Aaron Rodgers is if he
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feels like he's been slighted, he's going to get his
revenge and he's going to be highly motivated to do so.
They drafted Jordan Love, he went out and won two mbps.
The way this whole thing has been painted and his
exit from the Packers and them, they're ready to move on.
They're tired of his crap all the other stuff to
go along with it. This is going to be a
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highly motivated guy going to New York. I think you're
going to get as good of Aaron Rodgers as you
can possibly get at this point in his career. Like
that's why I think this is going to be fun
to watch. And look, now we see what happens in
green Bay. I mean, you know Lee de Lap, who's
our resident green Bay Packer fan. I know he's got
like three four Aaron Rodgers jersey. So those are gonna
all have to go bye bye. Well, what are you
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gonna do with this? Lee? Yeah? Yeah, I do not
have an Aaron Rodgers jersey. You don't have What's I
don't have an Aaron Rodgers jersey? What Packers jerseys do
you have? Hold on, hold on before you even answer that,
why don't you have an Aaron Rodgers jersey? Well? I
was I was a resistant. I was resistant for a
long time. I was a big five guy. I was
a little bitter at the beginning. Um but I Rogers
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has been there for almost two decades. Had no point
in time. You have to winning. Supers were like, I
got hey, he's pretty good. He's been pissed off for
fourteen years. I went a lot of defensive guys. I
went Blake Martinez. I know you love that jersey, Brady.
You and I have talked about that one. I got Jones,
I got Adams Jones, Aaron Jones. Yeah. Maybe if you
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had somebody who had a connection or two, maybe they
could give you, like an a j Hawk jersey or
something like, I know, right, that'd be awesome, that'd be
pretty sweet. You've got a jersey before, haven't you? Yes?
I do. Definitely, Yeah, special messages. There was a special
special message league, by the way, when those jerseys arrived.
They do have, you know, an insult attached to him
and potentially a ragou stain on the front because somebody
(43:48):
was making chicken. I mean, it sounds like someone's complaining
about getting a free free side jersey. Definitely not playing
more about the ragou. Definitely not terrible. I also have
a collection of fullback jerseys again Henderson um rip cowsekon
really yeah, what do you a big fullback guy? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
I like fullbacks. I mean, why you buy a bunch
(44:17):
of those fullback jers? He should go broke there. There's
that potential as well too. So no Rogers jersey. That's surprising, extinct.
Yeah yeah wow all right, so so bye bye and
then Jordan loves Actually, you know what, I take it back.
I had one, but it was gifted to me and
it was a kid's jersey and I was never in
fit and could never face say they had him for
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some reason. They just knew I was a Packers fan.
They're like, hey, I have these, like they gave me
two of them. They gave me two kids Aaron Rodgers jerseys.
Can I see what you do with it? I don't
even remember. I think there might be lying in a
bin somewhere. Can I teach you guys a little pro
tip here, A little little trick of the trade. My
mom did this when I was younger. If she ever
if there's ever a shirt that I outgrew, most of
them I can still wear, even from like five or
(45:01):
six years old. I can still put those on, and
I do. But if there was ever a shirt that
I outgrew, like a sports shirt or like I had
a Chicago Bears shirt growing up or whatever it was,
or like a little jersey or something like that, what
she would do is she would go buy pillow stuffing.
She would stuff the inside of the shirt and she
would sew up all the openings and I would turn
it into a pillow. How's that little pro tip for
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you out there, A little that's how you get your
money's worth When you go by and spend one hundred
and ninety dollars on a jersey and some guy gets
traded elsewhere. Fill it up with stuffing, sew up the openings.
You got yourself a pillow you can throw around. How
about that, Brady Quinn, Aren't you just spending more money
on that jersey then? By yeah? Who cares about the
details and all that fun stuff, you know where longevity
(45:48):
out of it. That's all it is. You want to
make sure you know you're you're paying the right price
for stuff. The problem is your jerseys sts on them.
So they do they do, uh, you know, with the
with the PW attached to it. For those of you
that are not familiar with what that insult could be,
you know which I was not familiar. It was an
(46:10):
insult until I got a perfectly custom authentic, real deal
Jack Johnson Pittsburgh Penguins jersey. I mean beautiful, like the
really expensive ones with a little message on the back
of it. And so I mean, did you pay for
that jersey or did not? I did not? I guess
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you can't really listen. And there that is one of
one I could assure you. Stanley Cup champion Jack Johnson
has never authenticated another jersey like that in the history
of his career. I can assure you all right, and
it could be worse. It could be that that Jack Johnson,
musician who has bad music, plays for the hippies intense
(46:54):
and VW vans out in front of beaches all across
southern California. Could be that at Jack Johnson. It's not
Stanley cup Chance. Dave Matthews, Yeah, that one, Dave Matthews,
you know, it's that whole same genre. But nonetheless, point
is Aaron Rodgers could be in New York JET very
very soon if the report is true. From Diana Rassini
(47:15):
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You ready to go? I'm ready, man. I've been waiting
for this lock and load. LaVar earned a very much
deserved time off, little break celebrating the anniversary with the
(00:24):
Misses and doing this there and having a few days
to kind of relax and get after it a little bit,
and we're just gonna take you up and just talk
football and a bunch of other fun stuff here on
this show. This is what we do on a Thursday.
Would you mind if I just did something real quick though,
because I would like to point this out because there
have been things that have been called into question on
(00:46):
this show, and I feel like this is appropriate for
this first topic. So sometimes people will call into question
my musical talents on this show. That has been known
to happen from time to time. So I want to
prove to people here that I know what I'm doing
when it comes to the musical format on this show,
(01:06):
and I know what I'm doing when it comes to
an instrument in my hands and leave that joke alone.
I have brought myself in studio here a violin for
this first topic, and I would like to play this
violin on the air because I feel it's appropriate here.
So let me go ahead and tune this thing up.
Get my chin ready. How does that go? Mmm? Okay,
(01:28):
get my chin ready. That sounds weird, and away we go,
little beautiful like that. We got Lee playing the piano
in the background too. Yeah, Now, how are you able
to talk while you're playing the violin? I don't hear
many people talk while they're playing. Well, just skilled, you know.
I mean, there's a special mic we have in studio here.
(01:50):
I mean, you know, just as you know, suspension of
disbelief here, that's what we're doing on this show, and
we're just kind of playing it because I feel this
is appropriate. And now we've got it feels like an
orchestral kind of sensation going through the speakers here. Then
I feel like this is totally appropriate because every time
I go on and I see somebody else bitch and
(02:12):
moan about the Lamar Jackson situation, all I want to
do about is break this bad boy out and just
kind of play along because I am so tired of it.
For Christ's sake, he got into a negotiation he lost
the negotiation. They weren't willing to give him what he wanted.
They gave him the non exclusive tag, And now he's
(02:32):
going to go out there and he's gonna see what
other teams want to offer him. And everybody throwing this
collusion crap out, there's a real chance here, believe it
or not, that some teams in the NFL don't want
to tip their hand early. And also or some teams
in the NFL look at Lamar Jackson and say, we
don't know if we want to give him that type
of guaranteed money for a guy who hasn't finished the
(02:54):
season the past two years. I love Lamar Jackson. We've
done nothing but ballwashed Lamar Jackson the show. But if
you're going to compare him to the ridiculous deal that
weirdo Deshaun Watson got from the Cleveland Browns, it's an
unfair comp That's the exception, not the rule. And everybody
can't stop crying about it. I'm tired of it. Here's
(03:15):
what I don't get about the people who are having
a hard time digesting this, and there's a lot of
players that are having a hard time digesting this. How
many guys signed a fully guaranteed deal after Kirk Cousins
did it with the Minnesota Vikings. Nobody, right, No one, yeah,
no one unless they signed a one year franchise tag
(03:36):
that's fully guaranteed exclusive by the way, or they signed
just a one year deal that was essentially a fully
guaranteed deal. That's it. Kirk Cousins did it, and he
got to free agency. He found a team that was
in desperation in the Minnesota Vikings, that needed a starting quarterback.
And by the way, the Jets were a part of
that one, and they unfortunately ended up helping to bid
(03:58):
up the price a bit to allow than Minnesota to
come back with a fully guaranteed deal. Are you saying
there's a theme there with the Jets that happening. Well,
we can get it to that at litter point, But
the point is that no one else falls suit. People
at the time go, well, that's not a good deal.
Owners you know most likely didn't like it. We didn't
see anything after that, but no one was yelling or
(04:19):
screaming about collusion. And I know people are still going
to sit there and say, well, okay, but you know
he's a former league MVP that's what four years ago,
back in twenty nineteen. Yeah, as you pointed out, since then,
he hasn't finished the season in the last two years.
He is an entirely different player when you look at
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what they need to do in order for him to
be successful. Initially it was Marty morning Wigg who was
his OC. Right, you go back to do what Joe
Flacco transition to Lamar and Jackson. It was Marty morning
who was the OC. And they said, hey, look, this
isn't Marty morning Wiggs deal. All right, you're like Marty
morning Wigg back from the days of Joe Montana with
the San Francisco forty Minors. Marty morre Wig, right, been
(05:00):
around the league of a long time West Coast, old
school West Coast guy. This is not his deal. Let's
bring in Greg Roman, right. Greg Roman has more success
running these types of offenses, especially with a quarterback who's mobile,
and they had a degree of success for a while.
And in the regular season, no one's going to dispute that.
No one's going to dispute Lamar Jackson the ball to
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Raven's ability to be able to win games and get
the playoffs. But in the playoffs, it hasn't been pretty.
Teams have adjusted, teams have knocked them out. He hasn't
played well, and now it's got to the point where
he's having a hard time staying healthy. So let's just
on the table, take away all emotion, everything else out
of it, Jonas, and let's just look at it objectively.
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If you're a team who's going to be a bidder
for Lamar Jackson, as talented as he is, you're gonna
have to change over your style of offense, and that
includes possibly your offensive line, the way that group plays
and moves, how they block. You're gonna encore great. You
know there's gonna be some zone schemes, but some gap
schemes as well, different things you're gonna ask them to do.
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You're you're gonna look at your tight end group and
have to really hammer down if those guys are capable
of being as big a pass catchers and run blockers
as what This offense would demand a stable of running
backs to be a part of it as well, because
the reality is, you know, playing the drop back passing
game with Lamar Jackson has not worked out. We've seen
it for five years. He's had outlier years like his
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MVP season, but a lot of that came from some
of the things that came off of it. It wasn't
straight drop back, So you would have to make a
huge transition as an offense in order to even satisfy
what he's capable of doing and how he could help
your team. So, besides a fully guaranteed contract that apparently
is going to be more than Deshaun Watson, you've got
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to turn over your roster. And now, because it's the
non exclusive franchise tag, you have to give up two
first round picks. That is a hefty, hefty price for
Lamar Jackson. And I'm not saying that he's not going
to equate the success and winning football games, But for
people to sit there and go, We'll wait a second,
you know, why wouldn't these teams at least be in
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the mix. I personally, if I was a general manager,
head coach, I wouldn't have come out that the second
that there's a non exclusive franchise tag put on Lamar
Jackson say yeah, we're not interested. Yeah, I'd explore. I'd
give him a call, and I'd sit there and say, okay,
you know what are you looking for? And I at
least asked what the number was. But two of the
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teams in Atlanta and Carolina both draft in the top ten.
They can go find their next quarterback in the draft
for way cheaper and guys who aren't going to require
the type of transition on the roster like Lamar Jackson
would have won, or at least transition an offensive philosophy.
So it's an entirely different conversation that people just don't
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want to acknowledge because they look at the Shawn Watson
and they're like, oh, it's collusion. I've even heard some
people go, what it's racist. They won't you give him?
It's like, well, how does that work? Deshaun Watson got
the most guarantee deal in NFL history. What are you
talking about, right with all sorts of extras that came
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along with it, like the baggage in the eleven game,
suspension and all the other stuff that happened there. I
just and the other part of that too is that, well,
the Ravens did him dirty, which part by not giving
him everything he wanted, which was a ridiculous contract, or
the fact that they moved up in the draft to
trade him when you had other people out there who
were talking about him, and we're talking respected talent evaluators
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who said, well, he should consider being a wide receiver.
The Ravens made the move. They're the ones that drafted him,
They're the ones that built around him and said, no,
this is going to be our guy. And they've been
nothing but supportive of him publicly. They've been nothing. But
it's not like the Ravens don't want him back. They
just don't want him back for two hundred and thirty
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plus million dollars fully guaranteed, Like, what's wrong with that?
I agree, there's you know, a lot of players in
the NFL deserve guarantee contracts. I think it sucks the
franchise tag a lot of the way this stuff is structured.
And I've learned a lot of that just from talking
to you, because a lot of the fluff that's thrown
out there from agents who report, well it's a four year,
one hundred and sixty million dollars deal, Well not really,
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they can get out of it after one year. You know,
there's certain things that you see with some of these contracts.
I totally agree. But the fact of the matter is,
this is what it is. Like this is the way
these contracts are done and the way the NFL has done,
and I think there should be more outrage and more
questioning of still, why the hell did Jimmy Haslim give
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Deshaun Watson with all the stuff in his background two
hundred and thirty million fully guaranteed? That should be more
the focus of the conversation. Not Lamar Jackson deserves that
because he was an MVP and he doesn't have any
off field issues. Totally agree, but that just showcases what
a ridiculous contract that was that Jimmy has them handed
out to Deshaun Watson a last offseason and we why,
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we talked about it and we got crushed then. So
you get buried then for criticizing that contract, and then
you get buried here for not wanting and not understanding
why people can't figure out why Lamar Jackson's not getting
everything he wants. I just I don't get it, man,
you can't win with this crap. Well here's the other
thing too, that makes things more complicated. Obviously, he doesn't
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have an agent right now, and it's using the NFLPA
to help consult. But it's almost like this, have you
ever liked whether it's like a cell phone company or
a cable company where you had to deal with like
their customer service, which, for anyone who's had to do
it before, like how awful is that? Yeah, listen, I
mean it's just like it's a it's a non winning battle,
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and it's it doesn't help for the person that you're
dealing with either. But sometimes the customer service isn't great
because they're just getting it all day. But the reality
is this, By a quick story, I talked to a
customer service rep from I don't want to I don't
want to air out the company, but in talking with them,
I could hear dogs barking in the background, and I'm
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thinking myself, hold on, you're gonna fix my issue from
a kitchen somewhere in the middle of the country with
dogs barking in the background, when I clearly need to
talk with one of the higher ups. It just so Yeah,
it's a pain in the ass throwing through. But I digress.
The interesting thing about that scenario is when you know,
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usually when people are are like just they're gonna move
on from the cable company or maybe it's seven the
cell phone company, and they're not coming back their tone
is going to be a lot different, right because you know,
you never have to talk to this person or anyone
like this person in this company ever again, right, like
this is it, this is the last straw based on precedent,
whatever it else you want it to be, you never
have to deal with them ever. Again. You want to know,
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it's good to have an agent because they have other players.
And so if a team is working with a player
like Lamar Jackson, who's been a former MVP, has been
extremely successful, that agent one is going to be pounding
the pavement to earn anything from that you know, for him.
But also you know what the team has to deal
with that agent again yea if you do, if you
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try to do that agent dirty, you try to do
a bad deal, that agent's gonna remember and it's gonna
be hell. And sometimes if for action's relationships to the
point where players even have to go get different agents
to represent them, like we saw with Daniel Jones switching
from CIA to Athletes first. CIA couldn't get the deal done.
Guess who did Athletes first? So if Lamar Jackson had
an agent in this case too. One of the things
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that people are overlooking is the fact that that team,
they have to deal with them again, They're gonna have
to deal with that agent or any other team that
would bring on Lamar Jackson, like they have to be
a constant contact with his agent, whether it's for his
own player, for Lamar or for other players. And so
those are little things that really add up when they
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complicate a very complex situation like this, where you've got
a player who thinks is worth or a market value
is greater than what it is. You know, if he
would Joe Flacco, who was at one point in time
the highest played player in the NFL, by the way,
but he was coming off a Super Bowl win, he
gambled on himself and he went out. And that's what
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Lamar Jackson's done. The hard part is he doesn't have
the Super Bowl win, and he doesn't have two seasons
of remaining healthy and being an MVP. That was four
years ago. It seems like it's trending in a different
direction now. And for him not to be able to
understand why a team might be hesitant, I get it,
But you can't look at the Deshaun Watson deal and go, oh,
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this is what I should get. Shouldn't Patrick Mahomes restructure
his contract and get that. He should Josh Allen Age,
should Joe Burrow get that? Then do you think Joe
Burrow's gonna get that? He's not gonna get that contract.
I mean, that's that's the reality of where we're at is.
If it was Patrick Mahomes who wanted this contract and
didn't get it, I'd be understanding of the frustration. But
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it's not. It's Lamar Jackson. And I'm not saying that
he doesn't deserve a ton of money, but he's just
not gonna get the total guarantee that he's looking for.
That's just the reality of the type of player he is.
You know what I wonder too, Baltimore has never They've
always been one of the most well run organizations in
the NFL. You never hear a lot of bad stuff
come out when it comes to the Baltimore Ravens. And
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I wonder if it would if he went out and
found that, ay, some of these contracts or are low
ball offers. It wouldn't surprise me if Baltimore kind of
did him as solid and said, hey, we're still willing
to offer you what we had before. It's more than
what you've been offered from other teams, but we love
you like. This is not this is not a case
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of we're trying to get one up on you and
trying to save some money here or there. Like we're
willing to go ahead and give you the contract that
was still on the table, even though that contract is
what twenty thirty thirty million dollars more over the life
of the contract. It wouldn't surprise me if they still
It's not like Baltimore saying no, not a believer. No,
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they just just not into this, Lamar. Just go do
your thing. They've tried, they've tried to get this done
for a long ass time. They've been consistent with we
want him back. He's our guy. We want Lamar back.
The idea that they're doing him dirty, I just don't
understand where that comes from. I really don't know, especially
considering when you laid out initially like they're the ones
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that traded up in the draft Ozzie Newsom's last draft
to take him, and Eric da Costa was a part
of that too, in that room, who's now their general manager,
and so they've had his back. They've built this thing
completely around him, and I think all they're doing now
is exercising the fact. They're like, hey, look, if you
find a team that gives you a better offer than
what we gave you after the market, so be it.
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But the other hard part about that is no other
teams want to do the negotiating and the deal making
for the Baltimore Ravens. That's part of this too, like
no one wants to do the Ravens work. The Ravens
work going this front two years and as it worked out,
and so it's got to a point where Steve A
Schotti and Eric da Costa say, Okay, go find an
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offer that better than what we've offered you, and if
you find that, we'll match it. And that's the position
that they're in right now. Be sure to catch live
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to Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at the MMQB. You
can get him on Twitter at Albert Brier. A friend
of the show, Albert, how the hell we feeling here
on a Thursday morning. What's up at I'm good, guys,
what's happening? Just not much, man, I think we missed
you last week. I know, I know I sleep a
little later when I'm at the Combine. Why is that, Albert?
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I mean, I just feel like I need my red
you know, is that what it is? Or you booze it?
Just trying It's just just just trying to stay fresh,
you know what I mean? Brady, listen that there's a
lot going on at the Combine. Come on, hey, hey, Albert,
come on, tell everyone what really happens at the Combine.
You know what happens to the comboy. You are only
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there as a player. Have you ever been there? You've
been there as a media person. Yeah, all the time.
And that's what I'm saying. It's a boozefest. Yeah, yeah,
it's um. There are some late nice to happen at
the Combine. I mean you can tell you the rest
of that. Well, look, you know, you got work to do,
and sometimes, you know, people's medicals may come back late
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late at night and you just happen to be sitting
at Saint Elmo's or wherever that place is. Called, and
you got to go over that stuff. Prime networking. Networking
the best is So, whether it's Super Bowl or whether
it's the Combine, I'm usually there. I wasn't at the
Combine this year, but I would run into Albert An.
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Albert would say, hey, I'm not gonna come on radio tomorrow.
I know the super Bowl though, I made it in
Purse of the super Bowl and that was like mountain time. Yeah,
you gotta at least give me points for that one. Yeah,
you did a job, all done, and it was the
hell Yeah, I mean I earned I earned that Mulligan
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last week. Yeah, you know. And plus it was a
packed house, so having to you know, fight through all
the fans outside of a radio row that we're there,
it's just John, it's just getting by hard. N's crazy,
tell me about it. I mean I deal with that
every single day here on the way to work. Um,
all right, So Albert, can we get just get to
the straight to this here? When it comes to Lamar Jackson,
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how's this going to play out? Because everybody's throwing out
collusion and and it's there, you know, defending Lamar Jackson
and all the like. Baltimore wasn't trying to get a
deal done. And we were talking earlier like this is
just the business of the NFL, and and maybe they
just are saying, if you think we're low balling, you
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go see what else is there and and maybe we
can pick up this conversation another time. Yeah. And you know, I,
you guys know, I'm never afraid to criticize an owner
or owners for that sort of thing. I just I
don't see it here whatsoever. Um. You know, I I
think this is a complicated, complicated situation. And if you're
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another team looking at bringing in Lamar Jackson, you got
to check a lot of boxes to get to the
point where it's like okay, like we're gonna go after him. Um.
And you know it's are you comfortable with his injury history?
Are you willing to run the sort of offense he's
going to need for you to run? Do you look
at the mileage on his body? Does that bother you?
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Given that how many years out are you going to
guarantee in the contract? Um? It's just there are so
many boxes that you have to check. And by the way,
like there were a lot of boxes you have to
check on Tom Brady. You know, three years ago, and
that's why they're at the end we lose him. Yeah,
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I mean at one point it sounded like Albert just
turned into an air traffic control amazing. I didn't know
he had a walkie talkie on hand at all times.
That's uh, that's something. Oh, I mean, I think we've
upgraded for pim Biga's car. Have to deal with the
digging bell every time. By the way, I gotta find out,
like is Albert does he live in the Boston area
or Bayroute? Like where exactly is he? All I know
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is it sounds like he lives in a heavily wooded
area that's out in the booties of the sticks. And
what I don't understand is like it's not like Boston's
that big like surrounding the area. Obviously my in laws
are from there, and you get a little bit outside
of the city, you just lose cell phone service, Like
how is this possible? It's Boston, It's like a major
city in the US. It's somehow like four miles five
miles away no cell phone service, Like, how does this happen?
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The best part is we we roll in it. We're
a little bit more spoon. I'm not even in my
I'm not even in my car this time. Like that
was weird. Do you go for a walk? What do
you what are you doing right now? Albert, I'm sitting
on my porch. Oh that's nice. That sounds nice. It's
a nice weather up. We're your out sitting on his
porch just directing planes. I mean we've got tailed number
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nine five four niner coming in. It's it's got Albert Breer.
He'll be landing the plane. License play two PCOJ driver
of the car. Alberty there, yeah, swinging a miss well,
I mean listen, uh it's live radio. I mean this
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is what you get. You know, sometimes you run into
a little bit of these issues, and you know who
we need. We need to demand that Albert gets the landline.
Like just we need a hard wired landline in his house.
I don't know if he has one. That's what we
need to make sure we demand from now on from
the he needs to find one if he doesn't have
one in his house. Landlines are solid. Alberty there. If
you guys are capable of doing zoom, I'm happy to
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do zoom upgrade. Um yeah, so I don't know, I
don't know what what the hell happened there? But I
think we're good now, it's all good. I cut out there,
like Brady asked where I porch? So yeah, into it there.
It is beautiful, beautiful morning and up in the northeast.
So so let me ask you this, Albert, just to
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follow up on the Lamar Jackson conversation, do you think
he gets an offer from someone that's gonna either appease
him or surpass what has been rumored or reported that
the Ravens have already offered him. I think, I mean,
based on what we know right now, and remember it
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only takes one team, I think he's going to get
some interest. I think there are going to be some
teams that are going to call um next year. Were
those teams though, because so many came out like right
away saying hey, we're not interested. Look, I think that
there are a few teams that are just that that
that aren't going to do it right. I don't think
the Panther, I don't think the Colts are going to
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do it. I don't think the Falcons are going to
do it. I don't think the Commanders are going to
do it. Like I take those teams that I don't
think those teams are going to do it like the Raiders.
I think the Raiders will probably make a phone call
and I think the Raiders probably would look at it
and say, because Josh McDaniels really liked Lamar coming out,
I think that they make a phone call and they say,
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all right, like, we're willing to do this. We don't
want to do a full yearanteed deal, but like, let's
talk and let's see if we can find some sort
of middle ground. I think at the end of all this,
Brady like chances are the Ravens are going to be
proven right. And we've talked about this really for the
last year, me with you guys, like the Ravens have
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offered a top of the market traditional quarterback contract and
after two years. The reason the Raiders, the reason the Ravens,
the reason the Ravens are doing this is because they
want a conclusion. They can put the exclusive tag on him.
Then you know, maybe he winds up having to sign
the tender and then they're right back here next year.
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This is basically the Raiders that the Ravens saying enough.
You know, the Ravens are saying, whether you're on the team,
or not. We want to know like long term where
we are at quarterback. And I think they figured this
was the quick way to find a resolution and getting
somebody else to write the contract for them. And you know,
I think in the end, whether it's somebody else write
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in the contract or the Ravens writ in the contract,
I do think chances are it's going to be hard
for Lamar Jackson to find the sort of contract that
he wants, the sort of contract that Deshaun Watson got
last year. Albert, do you know any numbers are you've
seen or that you trust any of the reporting on
just the dollar amount guaranteed wise that Lamar Jackson turned
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down from Baltimore that he's seeking, or just like how
far apart are they on some of the you know,
some of the numbers and the money that's being thrown around. Yeah,
And I think sometimes people make the mistake it's just
looking at the average per year and thinking that's all
there is to it. And I know, you guys know
that there's a lot more that goes into these things,
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you know, But my feeling is they they've been willing
to go, you know, between forty five and fifty million
dollars where the quarterback market is. Now, how much are
they willing to guarantee? Well, like I said, I've heard
traditional quarterback contracts, so that would tell you the first
two to three years are guaranteed, and then after that
there are some years in the deal that aren't guaranteed,
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that are you know, basically the tacto team options. So
I think the Ravens are willing to go you know,
where the Broncos went on Russell Wilson, where the Cardinals
went on Kyler Murray. Like, I don't think they're willing
to go where the Browns went on to Shaun Watson.
And you know, now, I think one way or the other,
we're going to find out where the market is, right, Like,
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That's what this is about, is well, mar Jackson has
been seeking what he thinks his market value is for
the last two years, and by putting the non exclusive
tag on him, the Ravens are saying, okay, like, go
find out what you go, figure out what your market is,
and come back to us, and then we'll see which
way this thing has gone. I want to transition to
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talking about the Jets and their visit out to Aaron Rodgers.
They obviously come back. We haven't really got anything from
the report there. Maybe we're just kind of waiting to
see what those details will be Albert, but I could
always feel like, if you go out and visit a
guy like that and you don't hear anything, it's probably
not a good thing. Are the Jets maybe a team
too to consider if, like, now that Lamar is potentially
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out there, do they go all right, depending on how
Aaron handles this, we might pivot and go to Lamar
Jackson instead. Oh yeah, No, I think that the Lamar
Jackson would definitely be one of the guys the Jets
would consider if the Aaron Rodgers thing doesn't work out.
And you know, I think a lot of what's happening
in New York steam driven my ownership. But if you
look at their football people, there's also some ties there
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to Baltimore. They're general manager Joe Douglas, you know, worked
in Baltimore for over a decade, started his career there.
Chad Alexander one of their top executives. He's from Baltimore too.
There's ties between the Jets organization the Ravens organization where
the Jets should have good information on Lamar, and I
do think, you know, again to a larger's degree ownerships
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pushing this and if we know anything about Woody Johnson
and looking at you know, the twenty plus years that
he's on the team, love star power, right, and so
Aaron Rodgers is obvious at the top of that list
as far as bringing that start in New York and
making yourself relevant again. But I think if you if
it's not going to be Rogers, then you couldn't do
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much better than bringing Lamar Jackson. So I think that
they would at least throw their hatton the ring. I
don't know how far they'd be willing to go as
far as the guaranteed money, but I think they'd absolutely
make a play for him. Albert Bridge joining us here
on Fox Sports Radio. Here it's two pros and a
cup of Joe on fsor you can get him on
Twitter at Albert Briers, senior NFL reporter at the MMQB. So, Albert,
you had a chance to sit down and talk with
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Bears Brass about just sort of what the plan is
at number one in kind of the direction they're going
to go at the top of the draft. What is
your guests as to the compensation and what they're looking
at when it comes to trade back and players that
they're eyeing near the top of the NFL Draft coming
up next month. Yeah. So um, you know, when I
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talked to to Ryan Poles and Mattie either Flus about
this over the weekend, they've said at that point, three
teams are called and they viewed seven players as sort
of the top group in this year's class, like the
blue blue chip players, and then there's a drop off
after that. That's important because that can inform you as
far as how willing they're far, how far they're willing
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to drop down it certainly you know, puts the Texans
and play it to the Colts and play at four.
I would say, you know, the even the Panthers at nine,
like you probably feel fairly comfortable that you're going to
get one of your seven if you drop down to nine,
because you know, if four quarterbacks go in the top eight,
say that one of the position players is going to
drop down to you. So um, you know, I think
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they feel comfortable about where the market is, you know,
the as far as the compensation goes. Yeah, somebody had
mentioned to me, you know during combine week that if
it's like the Colts going up, they could see it
being the sort of deal where it's like two ones
two twos, which is, you know what the compensation was
for Russell Wilson last year. But either way, it looks
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like the Bears are going to be able to set
themselves up to put a lot more players through free
agency in the draft around Justin fields. And to be
the great thing about that is is like, if you're
Ryan Paulson, Matti Eberflus, you can look at this and say,
we're going to be able to get more clarity on
justin fields in two and twenty three, And if it
doesn't work and we're bad again next year, maybe we're
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in a position to go and get Caleb Williams and
or Drake May in twenty twenty four. And you know,
from the people I've talked to, at least there are
a lot of teams feel like if those two guys
were in this year's draft, those guys would be one
two in this year's draft. So punning on this year's
quarterback last I don't know the Bears see that as
some big sacrifice. Any surprises or anything you're looking forward
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to Albert we don't have much time here, but as
we get closer to the beginning of the new league year,
anything in particular we should be looking out for or
I guess, you know, prepare ourselves for. Yeah, you know,
I think body of the big thing is going to
be like the teams looking creatively at trades, you know.
And I think you know, you may hear this team
called on this player, this team called on that player.
Teams feel more i'd say liberated to sort to to
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shoot their shot on players now. And it's not like, oh, well,
you know, these five players and this team are untouchable.
I won't call them. Teams will call them players now,
you know. And so I think when you look at
the landscape, you see a free agent class, right, and
it's not great, like you may have four or five
players that are like top shelf players, um, and then
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after that there's like a pretty significant drop off where
I think teams are gonna look at it and say,
this guy's gonna get overpaid, this guy's get overpaid, this
guy's gonna get overpaid. And you know, so if you're
looking for better and help, one way to do it
is to you know, punt on free ag agency and
look at the trade market. So I think as we've
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seen the last couple of years, and in particular last
year with guys like A. J. Brown and Tyreek Hill
DeVante Adams getting moved, is you know, teams being more
aggressive about calling other teams about their star players and
maybe that leads you know, a star too that you
wouldn't think would be moved getting moved. Next week. Get
him on Twitter at Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at
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the MMQB always kind enough to join us here on
Fox Sports Radio every single week. Albert, We appreciate it, man,
enjoy the rest of the day in your time with
the fan. Awesome, Thanks guys, and I apologize for the
I guess what was it? Free pride? I think it well, actually, Albert, honestly,
it kind of makes for just a typical call in.
We love it, like that's what makes you unique? Man?
(31:46):
Who cares? It's good drama, right, yeah, yeah, so we
never know what's gonna happen with Albert pops on. Yeah,
it's always fun. Yeah, but we'll do it again next week.
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So we started Latin an hour one. We just discussed
the Lamar Jackson situation and all the bitching and moaning
and everybody running to Lamar Jackson's defense. We also talked
about Aaron Rodgers and New York Jets. Left the meeting
with Aaron Rodgers and California and then went back. We
were like, all right, so what's the plan. How's this
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whole thing going to shake out? According to Diana Rasini
of ESPN, she wrote the following on the situation involving
Aaron Rodgers and the New York Jets, and this just
went down short time ago. Quote in the wake of
an extensive in person meeting between Aaron Rodgers and the
New York Jets brass, including owner Woody Johnson, there's optimism
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in the Jets organization that they are on the brink
of landing the future Hall of Fame quarterback, sources close
to the situations situation tell ESPN. While optimism existed before
the California meeting, Woody Johnson felt it was important to
meet in person. Sources said. Johnson left the meeting excited
and satisfide about the potential match, as the Jets, in turn,
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only are working under an optimism that this will happen.
The Jets and the Packers remain engaged in conversations about
compensation and contract. Sources said. Those conversations already started before
the meeting, and so now we wait to see if
the Jets can close a deal to bring a future
Hall of Famer from Green Bay to New York. Well,
based on all that information, the one team who would
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be capable of screwing this whole thing up would be
the New York Jets. But it does sound like we
could be on the verge of this happening. Aaron Rodgers,
following in the footsteps of his predecessor Brett Farven, going
all the way to New York to play for the
New York Jets. How about it? I mean, and it's
a team that's loaded. They're ready to win. I know
this past season didn't work out quite the way they
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had hoped or wanted. They had a really difficult schedule.
I think the good thing too, is coming into this year.
You know the seven and ten record that it should
be quite as difficult. But the AFC East is going
to be a piece to deal with. But when you've
got Aaron Rodgers, you've got every opportunity. I said before,
I personally feel like, even as good as the Bills are,
if they land Rodgers, that's where my money money's going.
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I'm betting on them to win the AFC East this year.
I just think he brings an entirely different element to
that team. When you think about how good their defense was,
and they have another draft too that that's coming up,
I don't think they're going to be you know, giving
away there obviously is gonna be draft capital that's gonna
be given away this year. I would hope too, that
they looked at twenty twenty four to give away some
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of that so they can keep building off the nucleus
that Joe Douglas has set in place there now and
get Rogers in there for the next two three years,
they're gonna have a window to do something really special.
But man, that AFC Conference is gonna be so much
fun to watch with all the great quarterbacks. And also,
I think a lot of people forget that the Jets
were Look, we can be as critical as we want
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of their handling of the Zach Wilson situation and how
sensitive the fan base is and all the other stuff
that went along with it. But there was a clear
divide last year for them, and it was that game
him in Denver where Bruce Hall got injured. I think
it was a Elijah Bara Tucker also got injured. He
got knocked out for the season, and those were two
key ingredients to what they were doing on offense, and
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still they found themselves in contention. If you go back
and look at last year, things were different after that point.
If they're healthy on the offensive line and you get
that another weapon on offense back and he can play
a full season, it's hard to beat that as a spot.
Aaron Rodgers would look at and go, I think I
can compete there like they do. To your point, have
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a lot more going on there. They are the Jets
and all the other stuff that comes along with it,
But out the only issue for them has been the quarterback.
And this feels like this definitely solves it for at
least the next year or so. Then then we get
to see a play out on the big stage in
New York with Aaron Rodgers going there, and then we
see what that division looks like. It would be them.
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Him versus Josh Allen twice a year would be a
damn good time to watch. And the AFC you would
just get even more loaded at quarterback. It's unbelievable. With
that side of that, that side of the NFL looks
like now he'd walk in and be the most talented
quarterback they've ever had, and with the New York Jets,
and that's including Brett Fare, who obviously went there for
a stint, but at that point Brett Fare's career, it
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felt like he was, you know, kind of battling through
a bunch of nagging injuries, different things going on. You know,
Rogers battled through some last year. It feels like he
comes they're healthier. He's only two years removed from winning
back to back MVPs. And I also feel like the
roster is in such a good spot if and when healthy.
I don't know if they have the depth they'd like
to have necessarily on the offensive line or even at
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the skill positions, but Garrett Wilson, the way he looked
last year. You add in a few more pieces too,
to go along with Breeesaw when he gets back, They've
got enough pieces there to really make this thing go.
And if there's concerns about Nathaniel Hackett as a play caller,
to me, they're completely alleviated if Aaron Rodgers is there,
because you know what this offense is going to be.
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It's gonna be Rodgers gets up to the line of
scrimmage and he decides what they're gonna go with. You know,
he's gonna be able to control and dictate a lot
of that. Give it as what's seventeen going in his
eighteenth year or whatever it's been. Now, he's got that
wealth of experience and knowledge. He knows what he wants,
he knows how to get it, and I still think
he can play at an MVP level. So it's a
great scenario for the Jets. We have to keep if
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you're a Jets fan, just keep your fingers crossed because
again the Jets will have some misfortune happen from time
to time. But either way, look, Woody Johnson has bought
into making that quarterback position better. Yeah, whether it's Rogers
or even if it's Lamar. If something falls through with
Rogers one way or another, they're gonna they're gonna have
a dynamic quarterback you know back there. Either as a
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passer or as a runner, depending on which one they
get after this offseason's all said and done. And Mike
Garifolo of NFL Network reported yesterday that it's where Green
Bay stands at this point. They're thinking, is let's get
as fair of compensation as we can just get to
move on and turn this thing over to Jordan Love.
So it doesn't feel like, at least according to that,
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you know, they're going to hold the Jets hostage for
as much as they can possibly get and make a difference.
What's going to be really interesting about you know, Rogers contract,
which may need to be restructured not only to fit
in with within the Jets cap situation, but also as
far as part of the trade details. What's going to
be interesting is how much the Jets are going to
be willing to take on of his contract moving forward
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and if they'll need to restructure it or not. And
the reason why I bring that up is, you know,
if you're the Packers and there's fair trade, you know compensation, well,
so let's just say you're you're offering up Aaron Rodgers
and he's got what is it, two years left on
his deal? I believe you know, they're probably looking at
that saying, Okay, we need at least a one, a
couple twos, and maybe a three or four, right if
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you're looking for draft capital compensation, and that might sound
like it's not enough, Like you need a couple ones
for Aaron Rodgers And you could go that route too.
But the only reason why that offer doesn't sound bigger
is because he's only got two years left on his deal,
and I think there's some uncertainty too and how much
longer he wants to play. So you've got to make
an offer that just not taking into account as contract
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at the moment, that's going to take into account the
fact he's only going to be playing under contract for
two more years. All right, So now let's look at
the contract. It's a heavy, heavy cap hit this year.
I want to say he's owed one like fifty eight
millions something like that, And so in order to facilitate that,
the packers may say, hey, we're willing to take on
and pay a greater portion of this. It just depends
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on how much more draft capital you want to get us.
And so if the packers are going to be willing
to pay any portion of Rogers contract, it might add
another pick to it, or a couple of picks where
they essentially would be buying those picks. So if it
ended up being like two ones and in two twos
into three, it might be also that the Packers are
taking out some of the cap hit that would end
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up hitting the Jets with all this, or the moneys
that would be owed to Rogers. They might be paying
for some of those in lieu of moving on from Rodgers,
but in an exchange for getting back draft picks. If
that makes sense. Yeah, and well I think it's um.
One of the first examples of that was brock Osweiler
back then, was it was it Cleveland? Did Cleveland do it? Yeah?
Where the people and basically took over his contract and
exchanged what a second round be. Yeah, something like that. Yeah,
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that's whole that old situation, which the NFL frowns upon
because they don't want teams to do that. It happens
in every other professional sports league. You see players get
traded somewhere else, they basically take on the salary and
then they end up releasing them or dumping them, and
it happens everywhere. Yeah, just do us a solid. Here's
a pick and then and then everybody moves on. I
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also think, because I've seen this throughout, I think Lavars
also felt this way as well too, and we've talked
about it is well, you know, does Aaron Rodgers really
want to play? What? You know? How motivated is he?
There was a report that came out from your guy
Mike Silver who said the Packers felt like he kind
of checked out after he got his contract. The one
thing we know unequivocally about Aaron Rodgers is if he
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feels like he's been slighted, he's going to get his
revenge and he's going to be highly motivated to do so.
They drafted Jordan Love, he went out and won two mbps.
The way this whole thing has been painted and his
exit from the Packers and them, they're ready to move on.
They're tired of his crap all the other stuff to
go along with it. This is going to be a
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highly motivated guy going to New York. I think you're
going to get as good of Aaron Rodgers as you
can possibly get at this point in his career. Like
that's why I think this is going to be fun
to watch. And look, now we see what happens in
green Bay. I mean, you know Lee de Lap, who's
our resident green Bay Packer fan. I know he's got
like three four Aaron Rodgers jersey. So those are gonna
all have to go bye bye. Well, what are you
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gonna do with this? Lee? Yeah? Yeah, I do not
have an Aaron Rodgers jersey. You don't have What's I
don't have an Aaron Rodgers jersey? What Packers jerseys do
you have? Hold on, hold on before you even answer that,
why don't you have an Aaron Rodgers jersey? Well? I
was I was a resistant. I was resistant for a
long time. I was a big five guy. I was
a little bitter at the beginning. Um but I Rogers
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has been there for almost two decades. Had no point
in time. You have to winning. Supers were like, I
got hey, he's pretty good. He's been pissed off for
fourteen years. I went a lot of defensive guys. I
went Blake Martinez. I know you love that jersey, Brady.
You and I have talked about that one. I got Jones,
I got Adams Jones, Aaron Jones. Yeah. Maybe if you
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had somebody who had a connection or two, maybe they
could give you, like an a j Hawk jersey or
something like, I know, right, that'd be awesome, that'd be
pretty sweet. You've got a jersey before, haven't you? Yes?
I do. Definitely, Yeah, special messages. There was a special
special message league, by the way, when those jerseys arrived.
They do have, you know, an insult attached to him
and potentially a ragou stain on the front because somebody
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was making chicken. I mean, it sounds like someone's complaining
about getting a free free side jersey. Definitely not playing
more about the ragou. Definitely not terrible. I also have
a collection of fullback jerseys again Henderson um rip cowsekon
really yeah, what do you a big fullback guy? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
I like fullbacks. I mean, why you buy a bunch
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of those fullback jers? He should go broke there. There's
that potential as well too. So no Rogers jersey. That's surprising, extinct.
Yeah yeah wow all right, so so bye bye and
then Jordan loves Actually, you know what, I take it back.
I had one, but it was gifted to me and
it was a kid's jersey and I was never in
fit and could never face say they had him for
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some reason. They just knew I was a Packers fan.
They're like, hey, I have these, like they gave me
two of them. They gave me two kids Aaron Rodgers jerseys.
Can I see what you do with it? I don't
even remember. I think there might be lying in a
bin somewhere. Can I teach you guys a little pro
tip here, A little little trick of the trade. My
mom did this when I was younger. If she ever
if there's ever a shirt that I outgrew, most of
them I can still wear, even from like five or
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six years old. I can still put those on, and
I do. But if there was ever a shirt that
I outgrew, like a sports shirt or like I had
a Chicago Bears shirt growing up or whatever it was,
or like a little jersey or something like that, what
she would do is she would go buy pillow stuffing.
She would stuff the inside of the shirt and she
would sew up all the openings and I would turn
it into a pillow. How's that little pro tip for
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you out there, A little that's how you get your
money's worth When you go by and spend one hundred
and ninety dollars on a jersey and some guy gets
traded elsewhere. Fill it up with stuffing, sew up the openings.
You got yourself a pillow you can throw around. How
about that, Brady Quinn, Aren't you just spending more money
on that jersey then? By yeah? Who cares about the
details and all that fun stuff, you know where longevity
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out of it. That's all it is. You want to
make sure you know you're you're paying the right price
for stuff. The problem is your jerseys sts on them.
So they do they do, uh, you know, with the
with the PW attached to it. For those of you
that are not familiar with what that insult could be,
you know which I was not familiar. It was an
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insult until I got a perfectly custom authentic, real deal
Jack Johnson Pittsburgh Penguins jersey. I mean beautiful, like the
really expensive ones with a little message on the back
of it. And so I mean, did you pay for
that jersey or did not? I did not? I guess
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you can't really listen. And there that is one of
one I could assure you. Stanley Cup champion Jack Johnson
has never authenticated another jersey like that in the history
of his career. I can assure you all right, and
it could be worse. It could be that that Jack Johnson,
musician who has bad music, plays for the hippies intense
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and VW vans out in front of beaches all across
southern California. Could be that at Jack Johnson. It's not
Stanley cup Chance. Dave Matthews, Yeah, that one, Dave Matthews,
you know, it's that whole same genre. But nonetheless, point
is Aaron Rodgers could be in New York JET very
very soon if the report is true. From Diana Rassini
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