March 22, 2022 • 36 mins
Tuesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington applaud the Colts for upgrading at QB and trading for Matt Ryan. Meanwhile, Baker Mayfield eats humble pie as he’s left looking for a team. Plus, details about the Deshaun Watson trade and Super Bowl expectations for Cleveland.
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Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with LaVar Areas, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on
Fox Radio. Hey, is there are we gonna go a
day without a quarterback being traded or some sort of
a quarterback move In the NFL, we had another one
New Year's same story. Um, at some point, Frank Reich
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is just gonna be like, Hey, I don't I don't
care about making the playoffs? Can I just get the
same guy for back to back years at least another
starting quarterback in Indianapolis. Now, the trade got done yesterday.
Of course it was after we were off the air,
because that's how they treat us no respect on this show.
But Matt Ryan is gone. The long run in Atlanta
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is over, and he is your brand new quarterback for
the Indianapolis Colts. How bad it? I like it? And
I feel like the Colts maybe saving Private Ryan here
right if you if you look at it, things in
Atlanta we're running too. The end of its course, Arthur
Smith had had spent a year with Matt Ryan. Things
around him, especially as far as what he has to
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throw to, was deteriorating. The defense wasn't very good. I mean,
I just it seemed like they were Matt Ryan trade
away from more looking at this team as a rebuild,
and and that's kind of where I'm at, where I
think the Colts have that roster that Matt Ryan can
excel within. Now he's kind of close to Philip Rivers
as far as what you can expect. That guy. You
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can sling it around, but it may take him a
little while to get up to speed with the chemistry
and timing with the guys he's throwing too. But we
talked about this yesterday. To me, this is a good deal, um,
And I think you look statistically at Carson Wentz, it
wasn't like he was bad last season. You know, he
just didn't play great down the stretch. And that's gonna
be the point from Matt Ryan is they're looking for
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a guy to be able to play well enough down
the stretch when they need him to. And he's got
a nickname and Mattie Ice. So my money's betting on
Matt Ryan being able to make the most of this opportunity.
I don't know how long he'll play or you know,
how how you know, if they'll restructure his deal. That's
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another thing. We've seen a lot from different teams and
they trade for a quarterback. But I like this deal.
I mean call me crazy, I mean call me the
Giversey band or whatever he is. I like this deal
for them. I like that you have your hand on
a tree um with the other hand on your hip
while you say this opinion, like the Jummer say band.
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I mean that that would only make it qualified to
be a little help. Yeah, yeah, listen. I like to
trade as well. And I thought if you were to say, man,
Matthew Ryan instead of Baker Mayfield to the Colts, uh,
I would have said, you know what, that makes more sense.
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And I think it makes more sense because we're being honest.
Even at this point in Matt Ryan's career, you know,
he became the scapegoat to a deteriorating team and and
and at one point it was Dan Quinn, then it
became Matt Ryan. And we're talking about two different calibers
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of of quarterback. If if I'm being honest, if we're
talking about the you know, maybe waiting to see if
Baker Mayfield was going to end up in Indy to
get Matt Ryan. I think Matt Ryan is even an
upgrade to Carson Wentz even at this point in his career. Now,
the question is what does Matt Ryan have left? There
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probably is a little bit of, you know, being shell
shocked a little bit by what he's had to go
through over you know, the course of the last few years.
So I just wonder coming into this scenario, does this
do him good? Does it do him really well to
be able to get into a new environment where it
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is a good, stable football team that he's going to,
or is he just to that point of the outer
beyond where it just looks like he's a he's a
shale of his former self. I tend to think that
there's a lot riding on this for the Colts. I
don't know it's so much so for Matt Ryan. But
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I'm sure Matt Ryan wants to have a sense of
redemption or to have the opportunity to to feel good about,
you know, where he's at in and what would be
considerably the twilight of his career. So the best quarterback
in the division, right like Indianapolis now is the best
quarterback in the division. I would take him over Tannehill.
I think that's fair. And and so I'll ask you
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this question, Jonas, you know who is he in Saving
Private right? If we have to pick out for the cast,
he is he Private Ryan? Is he the one being saved?
Is he? Is he Captain Miller? Is he Tom Hanks?
I never saw that movie, Like that's the problem, Like
I saw, I've seen bits and pieces, but I've never
seen the whole thing. But I feel the logic in
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him being saving saving Private Ryan? Are the colts saving him?
Are the colts coming in and and going behind enemy
lines and going to get him? I mean it is
an NFC team LaVar. You've seen Saving Private of course,
how in the world has Jonas not seen that? He's
not American and I'm watching that, thank you. I mean, honest,
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there's happy thing that's kind of you know, it's just
kind of a little bit towards that. That idea of
Happy said, go to Bio should be port citizenship if
you hadn't seen Saving All, but maybe you should be
the port. I mean, yeah, apparently I don't know who
is though. Yeah that is from Monmouth. I don't know
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if you know that or not. But look, I just yeah,
I've never seen the movie. I've seen, you know, bits
and pieces, but never the whole thing through just and
you ask what am I doing? I'm watching the all
twenty two. You know what I'm doing, Like I'm breaking
in and have all one saving private Ryan first came
invented him. Yeah, I mean listen, you know that's so,
that's that's my priorities. Do do you guys think that
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you had to watch it in surround sound? Man? Like,
even if it was like the boom box from Walmart
that you set up in your room in your college room,
you had to watch it in surround sound. You have to.
You have to have surround sound. And if somebody got shot. Hey, bro, dude,
you haven't seen the movies. You can't talk about it.
That's fine, Like it is offensive to me. You have
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not seen I just haven't seen it. It's just not
not something I've I've thought about going back. And uh
it was Tom Hanks was in that movie, right, Tom Hanks,
Matt Damon, Diesel, Edward Burns, Brian Cranston, Giovanna Rbisi, Paul
Giamatti to dance And I mean I could keep going.
I mean, isn't Giovanni Rabisi the uh that to yahoo?
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You saw the bar in the umpire or something. Wow. No,
I him and his family, nice Italian establishment when we
were in San Franciska. Alright, he's a very talented actress.
Were doing a long time. Yeah, I'm just said testing
the water serious. If he's actually listening, Okay, well listen,
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can I can I ask you guys this because there
was this report that Seattle was also interested in Matt Ryan.
Do you do you feel like, yeah? Do you do
you feel like Atlanta did him a solid sending him
to Indianapolis? I mean, Atlanta is going to eat what
a forty plus million dead capit, which I think is
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by far and away the largest in the history of
the NFL, and they got a third round pick in compensation.
Do you feel like they wanted to do him a
solid based on his time in Atlanta? Uh? You know,
he came in after the Mike Vick stuff and he
sort of carried the torch when a lot of people
there were still clamoring Mike Vick carried the torch, became
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the best quarterback in the history of the franchise. It
does feel like they did him as solid and sending
him to a really good situation where right off the bat,
I would pick them to win that division next year, wouldn't,
And I think that they're right up there next to
the Titans. The Titans have done a good job this offseason.
It really comes down and it really comes down to
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who are you betting on between Matt Ryan and Ryan Sannehill.
And I think Ryan Tannehill doesn't have as gonna a
track record, But as far as the regular season, he's
been fine. It's just been the postseason where things have
kind of fallen by the wayside, So we'll see. It
is interesting though Matt Ryan will play his entire career
in a dome as far as just like a quarterback,
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uh coming from a place scranted. It's not that he
can't play in adverse weather conditions. He played a Boston College.
But it is interesting that he'll play his entire career
in a dome and he's one of the most prolific
passes we've ever seen, Like there is something to that,
like if you if you gonna go back and look
at his his Hall of Fame resume, because people have
thrown that up, especially this past offseason because Matt Stafford
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rule in his Super Bowl and that got thrown up there. Well,
no one's been more prolific since Matt Ryan has got
into the league. In regards to yards, he leads everyone
sinces gotten the league. He's like fifth, I believe since
that time in touchdown passes. And I mean, I'm not
saying the reason is why. Because he played the Dome.
It's sure as hell helps, I'll tell you that. Much
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like I bet if if Matt Ryan had his option
to go to different places, whether it was Seattle, Indianapolis, Carolina,
he probably goes, yeah, I'll take the Dome, probably going
to Indianapolis. Well, he's also had just a wealth of
talent his entire career, whether it was I mean, like
he really has, like he landed on great receivers around him.
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And that begs the question, what's he going to be
thrown to an Indianapolis because that's been a little bit
of an issue. I don't Julio reunion, Well maybe yeah,
I mean that that could make some sense. I just
I wonder what that's gonna look like. But you know
they're going to rely on the run game obviously, and uh,
and then we get to see how this how this
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media because I've never seen Saving Private Ryan, But you
know a movie I have seen pulp Fiction because it's
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on in the studio again every day, and uh, you know,
the same part every time. And yeah, Bruce WILLI is
what is good night? You know what? His samurai sword? Yeah, yeah,
and the GIMP's just hanging out. Gimp is knocked out.
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They got punched in the face. Yeah, that's uh. I'm
glad you could go into detail about pulp fiction. It's uh, yeah,
well that's what I mean. You know what it's you know,
a little after three in the morning, and that's uh,
you know what you're waking up to. It's a little
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sense all right, So we talked about Matt Ryan. He
is now in Indianapolis Colt, which means that the team
that Baker Mayfield preferred to go to, if you believe reports,
the Indianapolis Colts now have a quarterback. So now Baker
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Hayfield is still looking for somewhere to go. Uh. The
Seattle Seahawks have been in discussion for Baker Mayfield, but
as it stands right now, he's still a member of
the Cleveland Browns. They're going to try and move on
from him, but it feels like spots are getting taken up.
It's musical chairs were down to one or two here there,
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and Baker Mayfield is just kind of looking around, going Okay,
what do we got here, which is a pretty shocking
considering this is a guy that was talking long term
contract extension less than a year ago with the Cleveland Browns.
It's gotta be humbling. It's it's gotta be humbling because
you know, now teams like Carolina, who by the way,
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they've been through this before, like, are you really gonna
trade for a guy who puts you in the same
exact situation that you were in a year ago with
Sam Donald? There from this. I mean it's it's like
it's the same thing, the same saying, right. I mean,
so I don't view Carolina as an option here. Seattle
is the only other team I think could be an option.
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But they gotta start asking themselves, with the draft capital
that they've got, do they maybe like a quarterback in
this draft class as good if not better? Because the
price that price tag that comes along with Baker Mayfield.
I mean, it all comes down to what they're looking
to get accomplished. If you're the Seattle Hawks, for example,
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and you've moved on from Russell Wilson, I think most
people would say you're in rebuild mode. And I think
that's fair. It's not an indictment or knock on John
Schneider or Pete Carroll. They had a great run. They
had a Super Bowl. Out of that, they got another
NFC championship. Besides that champion a Super Bowl year out
of that, they had a lot of success. They don't
have a losing season until this past season. So it worked.
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They worked. Now they're gonna start over, and are you
willing to do that with a quarterback that's gonna take
up especially if he plays well this year? A good
chunk of your salary cap, or do you want to
use the same formula that you kind of made most
famous and draft a quarterback trying to build that defense
with those first and second round picks that they received
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and start on that side of the football. Run the football, Uh,
you know, built through whoever it is that you select
that's still gonna be on the rookie deal for the
next four years. I kind of lean into I'm wondering
if they're wearing their options saying maybe that's the better
way to go at this point for the Seattle Seahawks.
So I don't know what market, if any, is still
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left out there for him. Maybe it's Tampa. We talked
about that yesterday and speculated that why not go back
up Tom Brady if it appears he's only got one
year left. I mean, look at it this way. If
the Tampa Bay Bucks are forcing season ticket holders to
buy for two and three because they don't know what's
gonna buy, they don't want to fall into the trap
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of what happened this past year where when Tom Brady retired,
I was like, yeah, you have to sit there and
say they're they're clearly concerned. They clearly have a plan
in place where if Tom Brady says, yeah, I'm gonna
hang it up after this year, there they have a
contingency plan at least for ticket sales, and then if Mayfields,
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they're there for football as well. So that might not
be the worst idea. Although we said we met this yesterday.
I mean, LaVar, I think I think he would have
been the best quarterback to be in Pittsburgh, and it
would have been quite possibly. And then it won't happen
to be a trade you have to get cut then
go signed there, but quite possibly, because I think Jonas
mentioned this, Baker Mayfield red ass in Pittsburgh in the division.
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You see him twice a year, the arch nemesis of
the Browns. I think that would have been amazing. We're
going on, we're on a uh, we're on a roll.
There's a street going with the with the with the
puffy bottom um. So here here's my I think. I think,
I think Baker Mayfield can improve whatever team he goes to. Like,
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I want to get that out of the way. The
biggest conundrum about about Baker Mayfield is where, where exactly
is he accurately in terms of the type of quarterback
that he is because he's not as good as the
biggest staunch bag or supporters, but he's not as bad
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as the most passionate haters of them either. So it
leads you to believe that knowing that he can improve
your team, does it justify? As you've mentioned, Brady, the
price tag, and I think that that's the biggest that
maybe the biggest hurdle to to clear as it applies
to Baker Mayfield. So I would expect, I just I
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would just anticipate where we are right now, that Baker
is indeed going to have to be released in order
for it to be a situation that that plays out
and somewhat of the favor that he needs it to
play out in. But no, and understand that what does
that look like in terms of deal wise for him
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moving forward? Because again, once he gets released, he's I mean,
he's he's good to go in terms of getting that guarantee,
But how does that look in terms of moving forward
and what what that next team is going to do
for his services? And I think that that's kind of
what he's staring down the barrel of right now. He's
gonna have to do what Tannehill did and play well
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enough when called upon to get a contract afterwards. Because
the days of him getting that that franchise quarterback money
that he was expecting to get from Cleveland forty million dollars,
I think that ship is sailed for the time being.
That could be a fun spot, by the way, Tennessee, Yeah,
I mean almost doing kind of Ryan Tannehill what happened
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with Marcus Smart and Ryan Tannehill kind of bring him
in and say, look, we won't We felt like we
need to have a backup, but if if things don't
go well, we'd like to have someone we can go
to that and give that opportunity to That would be
an interesting one. I do think there's an operation. There's
an opportunity here for Cleveland to do or get, you know,
rid of Baker Mayfield under contract, and you would have
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to do it with a pick. And so let's say
you're the Tampa Bay Bucks. You're gonna end up training
Baker Mayfield the eighteen million that you own and a
third round pick or fourth round pick to Tampa in
exchange for whatever pick you end up getting back let's
say a fifth or six round pick, right, and you're going, well, Tampa,
how do they get a third round pick because they're
absorbing his contract. They basically bought a draft pick for
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eighteen million dollars. We saw that with the Browns taken
on brock Oswaller's cap hit. Remember at the time we
had the big cap hit from Houston and they got
a second round pick out of it. It was about
it was about that number, and everyone goes, well, I
mean they're just bringing them on to take that draft pick.
And sure enough, as as we got into it, it it
was like, oh no, they had no intentions of actually
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playing them. They literally just bought themselves a draft pick.
It's not allowed, but this is that technicality or this
is that way of getting around it that if he
gets traded, that's how it's gonna work out, unless they,
you know, work out some sort of restructure too that
makes it more absorbent within the cap. But I think
you're gonna see it's Mayfield and a draft pick going
elsewhere for very little in return for the Cleveland Browns
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because what other options that they I mean, they could
cut them and they're gonna have to eat the eighteen
million that now would be on their dead cap. It
doesn't just say a lot. I mean, maybe I'm looking
too far into but is this a I guess an
indictment on Baker Mayfield as far as the league goes,
like what people think of him, Like his is his
that reput is his reputation. That tis I mean, what
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happened to Cam Newton. It happened so fast, But that's
how it happens. It can happen very quickly. Because there's
the thing. Once you get drafted, you can go up
or you can go down. And in terms of your
value and your stock, Baker Mayfield again is one of
those players that you you don't know exactly where he is.
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You're not going to say he's a trash quarterback, but
you're not saying he's an elite quarterback. And and so
once once you're looking at it from the standpoint of okay,
now I have to start measuring from other other things,
other places. It's it's like, are you gonna bring in
a guy like Baker Mayfield to back up Tannehill or
or to back up one of these player quarterbacks other
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than a Tom Brady type who probably could care less
about his presence being there, other than I can help
the kid out, but that that presence that he's going
to bring because he has commanded so much attention, that
could be a distraction, and and that makes it complicated,
and it makes it difficult to be able to put
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him in a new environment, in a new situation without
having a whole lot of definitive answers as to is
it worth taking that chance. You know what was the
worst thing for quarterbacks in the league. It was this
past year's playoff game before with Mahomes and Allen because
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what you were watching was essentially each quarterback just going
back and forth up and down the field, scoring at will,
and every owner and every fan and every person is
scouting department or that. What do I find that? You
know what I'm saying, Like it's it's like the coolest
thing out there on social media that every kids, Oh
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I want that, Hey mommy daddy, can I get that?
Buy me that? How do I find that? Everyone's trying
to find that now? And I think it's made it
more difficult for any quarterback that's a latent bloomer, which
the irony too this is And because I do think
that played a role in all of it, and there's
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been other examples of that, right, you know, Joe Burrow
coming in right away, Lamar Jackson coming in right away,
Like as soon as they burst on the scene, you go,
I want that. You know, how do I find that
Sean McVeigh from a coaching statepoint, everybody wanted the young
offensive mind had head coach after he had success and
having success, well, I'm not going that for with McVeigh
because the first year is okay and they started to
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build it. But but the reality is with Josh Allen
in using the Bills is it's not like he was
the player we saw this pastor in the playoffs his
rookie year or his second year. He started to become
that in his third year, and he needed the right
situation and circumstance. To your point, Jonas, he needed a
stable organization with Sean McDermott and Brandon being on the
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same page. He needed an outstanding wide receiver in Stefon
Diggs and a supporting cast and a good defense. And
it helped that Tom Brady left and went to Tampa.
Let's be real, like we want to act like it
was all about the Buffalo Bills. What they did. You
didn't have to worry about Tom Brady anymore. And so
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because of that, it now got to the point where
you've got this quarterback, everyone was, oh, I want that. Well,
look how he got here, Look how they got there.
It was a very stable, consistent organization for the entire
four years that he has been there now going into
his fifth year. So no wonder. But it wasn't like
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he was this, you know, lightning in a bottle, like
right out of the gate. He was doing this for
his team. So if and that's the hard part about
looking at some of these quarterbacks is everyone's journey and
track is different. But if these teams continually keep thinking
that it's the quarterback and it's not the situation, the
circumstance that's around them, then they're gonna keep missing and
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they're gonna keep this this reoccurring cycle. I mean, look
at Patrick Mahomes walked into He walked into a playoff team.
He walked into a team that just needed him to
help elevate things a little bit more. They were already
a playoff contending team with Alex Smith and and he
read as a coach, he just it took Patrick Mahomes
to take him to the next step. So I just
I find it ironic that if that game had the
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impact that people think, then they need to go back
and look at themselves in the the mirror and go, hold
on a second, We're not anywhere close to how Buffalo
was built, or we're not where the Kansas Chiefs are
were a playoff team right now, and that's the problem
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So the details are out the I guess these are
the final details of the Deshaun Watson trade. I don't
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know if anybody knows this, but Deshaun Watson. Uh, he
was traded to the Cleveland Browns from the Houston Texans. UH.
And I guess here's what the Houston Texans will receive
from the Cleveland Browns. Uh. A first round pick in
tw three and four, a fourth round pick in this
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upcoming draft, a third next year, and a four in
two thousand twenty four. So uh, six picks in total,
including three first round picks over the next couple of years.
I mean, Nick Kissario said that he was not going
to deal to Shaun Watson unless they got a lot
in return. Well, they got a lot in return. So
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congratulations of the Houston Texans. They've got a six you know,
swings of the act to try and pull some talent
on that roster. Jonas you love to judge boxing matches,
I like to judge these sorts of transactions, and usually
you can't right away. It's hard to have any sort
of initial judgment because you need to see how this
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whole thing plays out. However, you have to think that
Nick Kissario is a huge winner in all of this.
I mean, this is a situation that he inherits it. Remember,
I mean, part of the frustration with DeShawn Watson, at
least from what was reported initially was issues with cal
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McNair and then not having him more of a saying
who they hired as coach, who they hired in general manager,
Those sorts of things leaked their way into the media.
Well for a guy who wasn't supported by Deshaun Watson
or wanted and then dealta situation where he had a
player who still has twenty two pending civil lawsuits against him,
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who does have an injury history, and battling all of
that and sat out last year, he still found a
way to find a suitor for him to get an
asking price that is one of the all time historical
trades we've ever seen in the NFL. He he he did
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a phenomenal job. I mean, he it's it's really goes
to show you, you know, patients can still be on
your side. And and I was wrong about this. I
really felt like before last season the asking price would
would only kind of go down as things dragged on
and other options were there. But with the way the
situation in Cleveland got maybe less tenable with Baker Mayfield
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and how he responded, and maybe that created desperation on
behalf of Cleveland. Whatever the case is, he created a
market of teams and he was able to get an
absolute haul for Deshaun Watson. Now, whether or not it
works out of the Browns or for the Texans with
those picks, I don't know. But the fact that he
got all of that, which was again an additional pick,
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more than what we thought after the initial trade, we
thought it was only five picks. It was the fourth
round pick we found out about once the transaction was complete.
That made it six. And to me just goes, holy
cow man. I cannot believe all of the things considered,
they were able to get that for him. Can I
ask you guys a question, all things considered for Cleveland
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to do something so out of character, outside of of
their you know, history of how they do things, what
makes this trade justified? What has to happen? I mean,
I would say for Cleveland, because I mean it's already
justified for it, and even for you, I mean, is
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it is it a Super Bowl? Oh? It's not multiple,
it's not multiple, it's a it's too hard to win multiple,
I think, I mean you you would need you've given up,
like you've mortgaged your future, Like this is that you
haven't heard something this crazy since it's like two times
you could say that though, it's like the Ricky Williams
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trades like those were if they don't win a Super
Bowl to failure, because I don't if they have sustained
success and they're a perennial playoff team for the next
five six years with Deshaun Watson, I don't. I don't
consider that a failure if they don't win a super Bowl.
I'm asking you, guys, your opinions are, like, I mean,
I don't think it's a right or wrong. Yeah, I
think super Bowl is is obviously the goal. Like, you
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don't make a move like this, you don't sign them
to a contract like that unless that's your goal. Right
that you're taking a huge risk to your point LaVar
and mortgaging your future at least for the next three
years in draft capital and saying we don't need those
picks because we like what we've got and we feel
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like this guy will help elevate everyone else oute around him,
and we'll be able to make the most of what
we got with the picks. We have or the money
that we're gonna have in free agency to spend wildc
and you know, fulfill our needs within our team. That's
the thought behind it. But I think there's no doubt
you take a swing like this, it's got to be
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super Bowl. Like I'm with you, Jonas, I think sustained
success will be welcomed if you're a Browns fan base.
But this is historic, man. I mean, we've ever seen
a contract like this in NFL history. You know, there's
it's it's you know, you're going back to Herschel Walker
LaVar as far as the last trade we've seen like this.
So I I just think it has to be bigger
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than just sustain success. It's got to be a super Bowl.
And I think the interesting thing about the perceived risk
is it's not that big of a risk in the
sense of the three first round picks, because I look
at it and go, well, aren't you gonna give him
three years there? Anyway? Like let's say, for example, we're
trying to determine whether or not this is gonna work out.
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Don't you feel like three years from now we'll have
a pretty good idea of whether or not it's working out.
Or maybe four for that matter. Don't you feel like
they only like they have to have if so, let
me finish so. So at the end of that, after
you have exhausted not having that draft capital for that
three years and you're into year four, you kind of
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already know where you're at, and it's like you've got
them under contract for another two years. Years. At that
point you can move on from him, you know, depending
on if there's a restructuring, you could make something else happen.
It's just that there's at that point, like you're saying, Okay,
we took this big swing, we struck out, you know,
those two that past three years that was three strikes
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were out. We're gonna move on from Watson. But like
that's kind of the alternative, right, I mean, if this
doesn't work out after three years of not having a
first round pick, you know, hopefully you're not selling which
the Cleveland Brown fan base has done this for years.
You're not selling optimism, and as far as the draft
and who you're gonna get, you're selling, hey, come by
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season tickets because we're really good and we've got a
shot at winning a Super Bowl. And if you're not
by the end of the three years, you're back to selling. Hey,
I guess who's gonna be our first round draft pick
in or whatever it is. I just uh, I think
because of everything that has gone on in that surrounds
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DeShawn Watson, it makes it a more complicated proposition to
prove justification of the move. And if I'm a Cleveland
Browns fan, if I'm the Cleveland Browns organization, you have
to be assuming on how aggressive they move to make
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this happen. That they need to have I hate to
say it, instant. They need to hold on, let me finish,
let me finish. I'll let you guys finish. I think
you have to have instant success with Deshaun Watson to
justify what it is that they've given up to get
a division. I mean, I think that's a I think
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that's a start. I mean I think if they if
they have a if they have a failure of a
of a season, if they don't make the playoffs, if
they limp into the playoffs, if they've barely get into
the playoffs, I don't I mean, depending on what they do,
if they were one and out, and then I think
that there's going to be a lot of blowback on that,
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and there will have to be because of how aggressive
the move was to get him. You want to see
an immediate impact or it doesn't seem right to take
the risk and not because it's not right to take
the risk on a good players. There you go, Yeah,
that's to me, But that's that's how I look. Here's
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the thing though, if people are frustrator upset with what's
happened off the field for Deshaun Watson and you're a
Browns fan, where the hell have you been for Cremut,
Like in all seriousness, which has been much more public
and well documented what took place there, Like, you can't
be all of a sudden enraged now if you weren't
in rage, And that's just hypocritical or ignorant if people
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didn't understand what happened with Cream Hunt. So I mean,
two different scenarios, but similar nature of Uh. If what's
being alleged is true with Deshaun Watson, it's heinous and
it's awful, So spare me the whole. Well, now I'm
in rage, Well you should have already been in rage
because Kareem Hunt has been there playing for them for
two years now. Since that incident happened. But I digress. Look,
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the Browns fan base, all right, we'll accept him obviously
with success, much like they accepted the return of f
Bron James, who literally left them high and try and
the decision in a school and accord when he donated
millions and everyone's like, wait what you're leaving you and
we're we're grobbling when he came back. Please won't take anything,
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don't you guys think that the Kareem Hunt is and
and call me crazy, but it's like, all right, I
can handle a linebacker being uh, you know, not so
smart or not not so great person. I can handle
a running back coming up short in the morale uh
category and column. But for quarterback to be in question,
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I mean, will we say that there's there's possibly a
difference in waiting those those those positions. I think that
if the face of your organization is in question character wise,
I think that's a bigger issue than to say you're
you know more so it's hypocritical that you didn't fill
this this outrage with Kareem Hunt too. It was way
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more violent and and that's the difference is I'm not
trying to make this in apples to apples comparison. I'm
just trying to say, like, if this is what you're
outraged by, which what's being alleged isn't as violent. I'm
not saying it's not as harmful, but it's not as
as violent and public as far as what we know happened.
We saw what happened with the Cream Hunt situation. We
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saw that, so that's that's it's different with the way
it hits like that. I'm just saying they're both, Like
you should be outraged by both. You shouldn't be going, Okay,
it's a quarterback. It doesn't matter the position. It doesn't
matter like hateful acts, wrongful acts, or acts, and they
should be judged the same even though they're not exactly
the same. In this instance, I just I couldn't stand
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reading the out rates from people like they had never
realized that a Browns player had had any sort of
past transgression, because I'm sure none of them cheered for
Kellen Winslow and he got a touchdown or anything like
that when he was there. So yeah, there's nothing. I'm
just saying, like it just if we want to play
this game, we can go through every roster in the NFL.
Somebody's got a checkered past. I'm sure like it just
like this idea that people want to, you know, use
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this as their opportunity to say, well, I'll never root
for the Browns again. Okay, sure you won't, all right, sure,
whatever you say. It just feels like it happens all
the time, went on state. So certainly we have some
guy cheat. Yes, very very checkered. I've heard Fox Sports
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day without a quarterback being traded or some sort of
a quarterback move In the NFL, we had another one
New Year's same story. Um, at some point, Frank Reich
(00:24):
is just gonna be like, Hey, I don't I don't
care about making the playoffs? Can I just get the
same guy for back to back years at least another
starting quarterback in Indianapolis. Now, the trade got done yesterday.
Of course it was after we were off the air,
because that's how they treat us no respect on this show.
But Matt Ryan is gone. The long run in Atlanta
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is over, and he is your brand new quarterback for
the Indianapolis Colts. How bad it? I like it? And
I feel like the Colts maybe saving Private Ryan here
right if you if you look at it, things in
Atlanta we're running too. The end of its course, Arthur
Smith had had spent a year with Matt Ryan. Things
around him, especially as far as what he has to
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throw to, was deteriorating. The defense wasn't very good. I mean,
I just it seemed like they were Matt Ryan trade
away from more looking at this team as a rebuild,
and and that's kind of where I'm at, where I
think the Colts have that roster that Matt Ryan can
excel within. Now he's kind of close to Philip Rivers
as far as what you can expect. That guy. You
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can sling it around, but it may take him a
little while to get up to speed with the chemistry
and timing with the guys he's throwing too. But we
talked about this yesterday. To me, this is a good deal, um,
And I think you look statistically at Carson Wentz, it
wasn't like he was bad last season. You know, he
just didn't play great down the stretch. And that's gonna
be the point from Matt Ryan is they're looking for
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a guy to be able to play well enough down
the stretch when they need him to. And he's got
a nickname and Mattie Ice. So my money's betting on
Matt Ryan being able to make the most of this opportunity.
I don't know how long he'll play or you know,
how how you know, if they'll restructure his deal. That's
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another thing. We've seen a lot from different teams and
they trade for a quarterback. But I like this deal.
I mean call me crazy, I mean call me the
Giversey band or whatever he is. I like this deal
for them. I like that you have your hand on
a tree um with the other hand on your hip
while you say this opinion, like the Jummer say band.
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I mean that that would only make it qualified to
be a little help. Yeah, yeah, listen. I like to
trade as well. And I thought if you were to say, man,
Matthew Ryan instead of Baker Mayfield to the Colts, uh,
I would have said, you know what, that makes more sense.
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And I think it makes more sense because we're being honest.
Even at this point in Matt Ryan's career, you know,
he became the scapegoat to a deteriorating team and and
and at one point it was Dan Quinn, then it
became Matt Ryan. And we're talking about two different calibers
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of of quarterback. If if I'm being honest, if we're
talking about the you know, maybe waiting to see if
Baker Mayfield was going to end up in Indy to
get Matt Ryan. I think Matt Ryan is even an
upgrade to Carson Wentz even at this point in his career. Now,
the question is what does Matt Ryan have left? There
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probably is a little bit of, you know, being shell
shocked a little bit by what he's had to go
through over you know, the course of the last few years.
So I just wonder coming into this scenario, does this
do him good? Does it do him really well to
be able to get into a new environment where it
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is a good, stable football team that he's going to,
or is he just to that point of the outer
beyond where it just looks like he's a he's a
shale of his former self. I tend to think that
there's a lot riding on this for the Colts. I
don't know it's so much so for Matt Ryan. But
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I'm sure Matt Ryan wants to have a sense of
redemption or to have the opportunity to to feel good about,
you know, where he's at in and what would be
considerably the twilight of his career. So the best quarterback
in the division, right like Indianapolis now is the best
quarterback in the division. I would take him over Tannehill.
I think that's fair. And and so I'll ask you
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this question, Jonas, you know who is he in Saving
Private right? If we have to pick out for the cast,
he is he Private Ryan? Is he the one being saved?
Is he? Is he Captain Miller? Is he Tom Hanks?
I never saw that movie, Like that's the problem, Like
I saw, I've seen bits and pieces, but I've never
seen the whole thing. But I feel the logic in
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him being saving saving Private Ryan? Are the colts saving him?
Are the colts coming in and and going behind enemy
lines and going to get him? I mean it is
an NFC team LaVar. You've seen Saving Private of course,
how in the world has Jonas not seen that? He's
not American and I'm watching that, thank you. I mean, honest,
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there's happy thing that's kind of you know, it's just
kind of a little bit towards that. That idea of
Happy said, go to Bio should be port citizenship if
you hadn't seen Saving All, but maybe you should be
the port. I mean, yeah, apparently I don't know who
is though. Yeah that is from Monmouth. I don't know
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if you know that or not. But look, I just yeah,
I've never seen the movie. I've seen, you know, bits
and pieces, but never the whole thing through just and
you ask what am I doing? I'm watching the all
twenty two. You know what I'm doing, Like I'm breaking
in and have all one saving private Ryan first came
invented him. Yeah, I mean listen, you know that's so,
that's that's my priorities. Do do you guys think that
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you had to watch it in surround sound? Man? Like,
even if it was like the boom box from Walmart
that you set up in your room in your college room,
you had to watch it in surround sound. You have to.
You have to have surround sound. And if somebody got shot. Hey, bro, dude,
you haven't seen the movies. You can't talk about it.
That's fine, Like it is offensive to me. You have
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not seen I just haven't seen it. It's just not
not something I've I've thought about going back. And uh
it was Tom Hanks was in that movie, right, Tom Hanks,
Matt Damon, Diesel, Edward Burns, Brian Cranston, Giovanna Rbisi, Paul
Giamatti to dance And I mean I could keep going.
I mean, isn't Giovanni Rabisi the uh that to yahoo?
(06:55):
You saw the bar in the umpire or something. Wow. No,
I him and his family, nice Italian establishment when we
were in San Franciska. Alright, he's a very talented actress.
Were doing a long time. Yeah, I'm just said testing
the water serious. If he's actually listening, Okay, well listen,
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can I can I ask you guys this because there
was this report that Seattle was also interested in Matt Ryan.
Do you do you feel like, yeah? Do you do
you feel like Atlanta did him a solid sending him
to Indianapolis? I mean, Atlanta is going to eat what
a forty plus million dead capit, which I think is
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by far and away the largest in the history of
the NFL, and they got a third round pick in compensation.
Do you feel like they wanted to do him a
solid based on his time in Atlanta? Uh? You know,
he came in after the Mike Vick stuff and he
sort of carried the torch when a lot of people
there were still clamoring Mike Vick carried the torch, became
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the best quarterback in the history of the franchise. It
does feel like they did him as solid and sending
him to a really good situation where right off the bat,
I would pick them to win that division next year, wouldn't,
And I think that they're right up there next to
the Titans. The Titans have done a good job this offseason.
It really comes down and it really comes down to
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who are you betting on between Matt Ryan and Ryan Sannehill.
And I think Ryan Tannehill doesn't have as gonna a
track record, But as far as the regular season, he's
been fine. It's just been the postseason where things have
kind of fallen by the wayside, So we'll see. It
is interesting though Matt Ryan will play his entire career
in a dome as far as just like a quarterback,
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uh coming from a place scranted. It's not that he
can't play in adverse weather conditions. He played a Boston College.
But it is interesting that he'll play his entire career
in a dome and he's one of the most prolific
passes we've ever seen, Like there is something to that,
like if you if you gonna go back and look
at his his Hall of Fame resume, because people have
thrown that up, especially this past offseason because Matt Stafford
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rule in his Super Bowl and that got thrown up there. Well,
no one's been more prolific since Matt Ryan has got
into the league. In regards to yards, he leads everyone
sinces gotten the league. He's like fifth, I believe since
that time in touchdown passes. And I mean, I'm not
saying the reason is why. Because he played the Dome.
It's sure as hell helps, I'll tell you that. Much
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like I bet if if Matt Ryan had his option
to go to different places, whether it was Seattle, Indianapolis, Carolina,
he probably goes, yeah, I'll take the Dome, probably going
to Indianapolis. Well, he's also had just a wealth of
talent his entire career, whether it was I mean, like
he really has, like he landed on great receivers around him.
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And that begs the question, what's he going to be
thrown to an Indianapolis because that's been a little bit
of an issue. I don't Julio reunion, Well maybe yeah,
I mean that that could make some sense. I just
I wonder what that's gonna look like. But you know
they're going to rely on the run game obviously, and uh,
and then we get to see how this how this
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know a movie I have seen pulp Fiction because it's
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on in the studio again every day, and uh, you know,
the same part every time. And yeah, Bruce WILLI is
what is good night? You know what? His samurai sword? Yeah, yeah,
and the GIMP's just hanging out. Gimp is knocked out.
(10:54):
They got punched in the face. Yeah, that's uh. I'm
glad you could go into detail about pulp fiction. It's uh, yeah,
well that's what I mean. You know what it's you know,
a little after three in the morning, and that's uh,
you know what you're waking up to. It's a little
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sense all right, So we talked about Matt Ryan. He
is now in Indianapolis Colt, which means that the team
that Baker Mayfield preferred to go to, if you believe reports,
the Indianapolis Colts now have a quarterback. So now Baker
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Hayfield is still looking for somewhere to go. Uh. The
Seattle Seahawks have been in discussion for Baker Mayfield, but
as it stands right now, he's still a member of
the Cleveland Browns. They're going to try and move on
from him, but it feels like spots are getting taken up.
It's musical chairs were down to one or two here there,
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and Baker Mayfield is just kind of looking around, going Okay,
what do we got here, which is a pretty shocking
considering this is a guy that was talking long term
contract extension less than a year ago with the Cleveland Browns.
It's gotta be humbling. It's it's gotta be humbling because
you know, now teams like Carolina, who by the way,
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they've been through this before, like, are you really gonna
trade for a guy who puts you in the same
exact situation that you were in a year ago with
Sam Donald? There from this. I mean it's it's like
it's the same thing, the same saying, right. I mean,
so I don't view Carolina as an option here. Seattle
is the only other team I think could be an option.
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But they gotta start asking themselves, with the draft capital
that they've got, do they maybe like a quarterback in
this draft class as good if not better? Because the
price that price tag that comes along with Baker Mayfield.
I mean, it all comes down to what they're looking
to get accomplished. If you're the Seattle Hawks, for example,
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and you've moved on from Russell Wilson, I think most
people would say you're in rebuild mode. And I think
that's fair. It's not an indictment or knock on John
Schneider or Pete Carroll. They had a great run. They
had a Super Bowl. Out of that, they got another
NFC championship. Besides that champion a Super Bowl year out
of that, they had a lot of success. They don't
have a losing season until this past season. So it worked.
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They worked. Now they're gonna start over, and are you
willing to do that with a quarterback that's gonna take
up especially if he plays well this year? A good
chunk of your salary cap, or do you want to
use the same formula that you kind of made most
famous and draft a quarterback trying to build that defense
with those first and second round picks that they received
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and start on that side of the football. Run the football, Uh,
you know, built through whoever it is that you select
that's still gonna be on the rookie deal for the
next four years. I kind of lean into I'm wondering
if they're wearing their options saying maybe that's the better
way to go at this point for the Seattle Seahawks.
So I don't know what market, if any, is still
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left out there for him. Maybe it's Tampa. We talked
about that yesterday and speculated that why not go back
up Tom Brady if it appears he's only got one
year left. I mean, look at it this way. If
the Tampa Bay Bucks are forcing season ticket holders to
buy for two and three because they don't know what's
gonna buy, they don't want to fall into the trap
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of what happened this past year where when Tom Brady retired,
I was like, yeah, you have to sit there and
say they're they're clearly concerned. They clearly have a plan
in place where if Tom Brady says, yeah, I'm gonna
hang it up after this year, there they have a
contingency plan at least for ticket sales, and then if Mayfields,
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they're there for football as well. So that might not
be the worst idea. Although we said we met this yesterday.
I mean, LaVar, I think I think he would have
been the best quarterback to be in Pittsburgh, and it
would have been quite possibly. And then it won't happen
to be a trade you have to get cut then
go signed there, but quite possibly, because I think Jonas
mentioned this, Baker Mayfield red ass in Pittsburgh in the division.
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You see him twice a year, the arch nemesis of
the Browns. I think that would have been amazing. We're
going on, we're on a uh, we're on a roll.
There's a street going with the with the with the
puffy bottom um. So here here's my I think. I think,
I think Baker Mayfield can improve whatever team he goes to. Like,
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I want to get that out of the way. The
biggest conundrum about about Baker Mayfield is where, where exactly
is he accurately in terms of the type of quarterback
that he is because he's not as good as the
biggest staunch bag or supporters, but he's not as bad
(16:02):
as the most passionate haters of them either. So it
leads you to believe that knowing that he can improve
your team, does it justify? As you've mentioned, Brady, the
price tag, and I think that that's the biggest that
maybe the biggest hurdle to to clear as it applies
to Baker Mayfield. So I would expect, I just I
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would just anticipate where we are right now, that Baker
is indeed going to have to be released in order
for it to be a situation that that plays out
and somewhat of the favor that he needs it to
play out in. But no, and understand that what does
that look like in terms of deal wise for him
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moving forward? Because again, once he gets released, he's I mean,
he's he's good to go in terms of getting that guarantee,
But how does that look in terms of moving forward
and what what that next team is going to do
for his services? And I think that that's kind of
what he's staring down the barrel of right now. He's
gonna have to do what Tannehill did and play well
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enough when called upon to get a contract afterwards. Because
the days of him getting that that franchise quarterback money
that he was expecting to get from Cleveland forty million dollars,
I think that ship is sailed for the time being.
That could be a fun spot, by the way, Tennessee, Yeah,
I mean almost doing kind of Ryan Tannehill what happened
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with Marcus Smart and Ryan Tannehill kind of bring him
in and say, look, we won't We felt like we
need to have a backup, but if if things don't
go well, we'd like to have someone we can go
to that and give that opportunity to That would be
an interesting one. I do think there's an operation. There's
an opportunity here for Cleveland to do or get, you know,
rid of Baker Mayfield under contract, and you would have
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to do it with a pick. And so let's say
you're the Tampa Bay Bucks. You're gonna end up training
Baker Mayfield the eighteen million that you own and a
third round pick or fourth round pick to Tampa in
exchange for whatever pick you end up getting back let's
say a fifth or six round pick, right, and you're going, well, Tampa,
how do they get a third round pick because they're
absorbing his contract. They basically bought a draft pick for
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eighteen million dollars. We saw that with the Browns taken
on brock Oswaller's cap hit. Remember at the time we
had the big cap hit from Houston and they got
a second round pick out of it. It was about
it was about that number, and everyone goes, well, I
mean they're just bringing them on to take that draft pick.
And sure enough, as as we got into it, it it
was like, oh no, they had no intentions of actually
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playing them. They literally just bought themselves a draft pick.
It's not allowed, but this is that technicality or this
is that way of getting around it that if he
gets traded, that's how it's gonna work out, unless they,
you know, work out some sort of restructure too that
makes it more absorbent within the cap. But I think
you're gonna see it's Mayfield and a draft pick going
elsewhere for very little in return for the Cleveland Browns
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because what other options that they I mean, they could
cut them and they're gonna have to eat the eighteen
million that now would be on their dead cap. It
doesn't just say a lot. I mean, maybe I'm looking
too far into but is this a I guess an
indictment on Baker Mayfield as far as the league goes,
like what people think of him, Like his is his
that reput is his reputation. That tis I mean, what
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happened to Cam Newton. It happened so fast, But that's
how it happens. It can happen very quickly. Because there's
the thing. Once you get drafted, you can go up
or you can go down. And in terms of your
value and your stock, Baker Mayfield again is one of
those players that you you don't know exactly where he is.
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You're not going to say he's a trash quarterback, but
you're not saying he's an elite quarterback. And and so
once once you're looking at it from the standpoint of okay,
now I have to start measuring from other other things,
other places. It's it's like, are you gonna bring in
a guy like Baker Mayfield to back up Tannehill or
or to back up one of these player quarterbacks other
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than a Tom Brady type who probably could care less
about his presence being there, other than I can help
the kid out, but that that presence that he's going
to bring because he has commanded so much attention, that
could be a distraction, and and that makes it complicated,
and it makes it difficult to be able to put
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him in a new environment, in a new situation without
having a whole lot of definitive answers as to is
it worth taking that chance. You know what was the
worst thing for quarterbacks in the league. It was this
past year's playoff game before with Mahomes and Allen because
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what you were watching was essentially each quarterback just going
back and forth up and down the field, scoring at will,
and every owner and every fan and every person is
scouting department or that. What do I find that? You
know what I'm saying, Like it's it's like the coolest
thing out there on social media that every kids, Oh
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I want that, Hey mommy daddy, can I get that?
Buy me that? How do I find that? Everyone's trying
to find that now? And I think it's made it
more difficult for any quarterback that's a latent bloomer, which
the irony too this is And because I do think
that played a role in all of it, and there's
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been other examples of that, right, you know, Joe Burrow
coming in right away, Lamar Jackson coming in right away,
Like as soon as they burst on the scene, you go,
I want that. You know, how do I find that
Sean McVeigh from a coaching statepoint, everybody wanted the young
offensive mind had head coach after he had success and
having success, well, I'm not going that for with McVeigh
because the first year is okay and they started to
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build it. But but the reality is with Josh Allen
in using the Bills is it's not like he was
the player we saw this pastor in the playoffs his
rookie year or his second year. He started to become
that in his third year, and he needed the right
situation and circumstance. To your point, Jonas, he needed a
stable organization with Sean McDermott and Brandon being on the
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same page. He needed an outstanding wide receiver in Stefon
Diggs and a supporting cast and a good defense. And
it helped that Tom Brady left and went to Tampa.
Let's be real, like we want to act like it
was all about the Buffalo Bills. What they did. You
didn't have to worry about Tom Brady anymore. And so
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because of that, it now got to the point where
you've got this quarterback, everyone was, oh, I want that. Well,
look how he got here, Look how they got there.
It was a very stable, consistent organization for the entire
four years that he has been there now going into
his fifth year. So no wonder. But it wasn't like
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he was this, you know, lightning in a bottle, like
right out of the gate. He was doing this for
his team. So if and that's the hard part about
looking at some of these quarterbacks is everyone's journey and
track is different. But if these teams continually keep thinking
that it's the quarterback and it's not the situation, the
circumstance that's around them, then they're gonna keep missing and
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they're gonna keep this this reoccurring cycle. I mean, look
at Patrick Mahomes walked into He walked into a playoff team.
He walked into a team that just needed him to
help elevate things a little bit more. They were already
a playoff contending team with Alex Smith and and he
read as a coach, he just it took Patrick Mahomes
to take him to the next step. So I just
I find it ironic that if that game had the
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impact that people think, then they need to go back
and look at themselves in the the mirror and go, hold
on a second, We're not anywhere close to how Buffalo
was built, or we're not where the Kansas Chiefs are
were a playoff team right now, and that's the problem
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So the details are out the I guess these are
the final details of the Deshaun Watson trade. I don't
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know if anybody knows this, but Deshaun Watson. Uh, he
was traded to the Cleveland Browns from the Houston Texans. UH.
And I guess here's what the Houston Texans will receive
from the Cleveland Browns. Uh. A first round pick in
tw three and four, a fourth round pick in this
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upcoming draft, a third next year, and a four in
two thousand twenty four. So uh, six picks in total,
including three first round picks over the next couple of years.
I mean, Nick Kissario said that he was not going
to deal to Shaun Watson unless they got a lot
in return. Well, they got a lot in return. So
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congratulations of the Houston Texans. They've got a six you know,
swings of the act to try and pull some talent
on that roster. Jonas you love to judge boxing matches,
I like to judge these sorts of transactions, and usually
you can't right away. It's hard to have any sort
of initial judgment because you need to see how this
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whole thing plays out. However, you have to think that
Nick Kissario is a huge winner in all of this.
I mean, this is a situation that he inherits it. Remember,
I mean, part of the frustration with DeShawn Watson, at
least from what was reported initially was issues with cal
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McNair and then not having him more of a saying
who they hired as coach, who they hired in general manager,
Those sorts of things leaked their way into the media.
Well for a guy who wasn't supported by Deshaun Watson
or wanted and then dealta situation where he had a
player who still has twenty two pending civil lawsuits against him,
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who does have an injury history, and battling all of
that and sat out last year, he still found a
way to find a suitor for him to get an
asking price that is one of the all time historical
trades we've ever seen in the NFL. He he he did
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a phenomenal job. I mean, he it's it's really goes
to show you, you know, patients can still be on
your side. And and I was wrong about this. I
really felt like before last season the asking price would
would only kind of go down as things dragged on
and other options were there. But with the way the
situation in Cleveland got maybe less tenable with Baker Mayfield
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and how he responded, and maybe that created desperation on
behalf of Cleveland. Whatever the case is, he created a
market of teams and he was able to get an
absolute haul for Deshaun Watson. Now, whether or not it
works out of the Browns or for the Texans with
those picks, I don't know. But the fact that he
got all of that, which was again an additional pick,
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more than what we thought after the initial trade, we
thought it was only five picks. It was the fourth
round pick we found out about once the transaction was complete.
That made it six. And to me just goes, holy
cow man. I cannot believe all of the things considered,
they were able to get that for him. Can I
ask you guys a question, all things considered for Cleveland
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to do something so out of character, outside of of
their you know, history of how they do things, what
makes this trade justified? What has to happen? I mean,
I would say for Cleveland, because I mean it's already
justified for it, and even for you, I mean, is
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it is it a Super Bowl? Oh? It's not multiple,
it's not multiple, it's a it's too hard to win multiple,
I think, I mean you you would need you've given up,
like you've mortgaged your future, Like this is that you
haven't heard something this crazy since it's like two times
you could say that though, it's like the Ricky Williams
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trades like those were if they don't win a Super
Bowl to failure, because I don't if they have sustained
success and they're a perennial playoff team for the next
five six years with Deshaun Watson, I don't. I don't
consider that a failure if they don't win a super Bowl.
I'm asking you, guys, your opinions are, like, I mean,
I don't think it's a right or wrong. Yeah, I
think super Bowl is is obviously the goal. Like, you
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don't make a move like this, you don't sign them
to a contract like that unless that's your goal. Right
that you're taking a huge risk to your point LaVar
and mortgaging your future at least for the next three
years in draft capital and saying we don't need those
picks because we like what we've got and we feel
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like this guy will help elevate everyone else oute around him,
and we'll be able to make the most of what
we got with the picks. We have or the money
that we're gonna have in free agency to spend wildc
and you know, fulfill our needs within our team. That's
the thought behind it. But I think there's no doubt
you take a swing like this, it's got to be
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super Bowl. Like I'm with you, Jonas, I think sustained
success will be welcomed if you're a Browns fan base.
But this is historic, man. I mean, we've ever seen
a contract like this in NFL history. You know, there's
it's it's you know, you're going back to Herschel Walker
LaVar as far as the last trade we've seen like this.
So I I just think it has to be bigger
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than just sustain success. It's got to be a super Bowl.
And I think the interesting thing about the perceived risk
is it's not that big of a risk in the
sense of the three first round picks, because I look
at it and go, well, aren't you gonna give him
three years there? Anyway? Like let's say, for example, we're
trying to determine whether or not this is gonna work out.
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Don't you feel like three years from now we'll have
a pretty good idea of whether or not it's working out.
Or maybe four for that matter. Don't you feel like
they only like they have to have if so, let
me finish so. So at the end of that, after
you have exhausted not having that draft capital for that
three years and you're into year four, you kind of
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already know where you're at, and it's like you've got
them under contract for another two years. Years. At that
point you can move on from him, you know, depending
on if there's a restructuring, you could make something else happen.
It's just that there's at that point, like you're saying, Okay,
we took this big swing, we struck out, you know,
those two that past three years that was three strikes
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were out. We're gonna move on from Watson. But like
that's kind of the alternative, right, I mean, if this
doesn't work out after three years of not having a
first round pick, you know, hopefully you're not selling which
the Cleveland Brown fan base has done this for years.
You're not selling optimism, and as far as the draft
and who you're gonna get, you're selling, hey, come by
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season tickets because we're really good and we've got a
shot at winning a Super Bowl. And if you're not
by the end of the three years, you're back to selling. Hey,
I guess who's gonna be our first round draft pick
in or whatever it is. I just uh, I think
because of everything that has gone on in that surrounds
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DeShawn Watson, it makes it a more complicated proposition to
prove justification of the move. And if I'm a Cleveland
Browns fan, if I'm the Cleveland Browns organization, you have
to be assuming on how aggressive they move to make
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this happen. That they need to have I hate to
say it, instant. They need to hold on, let me finish,
let me finish. I'll let you guys finish. I think
you have to have instant success with Deshaun Watson to
justify what it is that they've given up to get
a division. I mean, I think that's a I think
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that's a start. I mean I think if they if
they have a if they have a failure of a
of a season, if they don't make the playoffs, if
they limp into the playoffs, if they've barely get into
the playoffs, I don't I mean, depending on what they do,
if they were one and out, and then I think
that there's going to be a lot of blowback on that,
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and there will have to be because of how aggressive
the move was to get him. You want to see
an immediate impact or it doesn't seem right to take
the risk and not because it's not right to take
the risk on a good players. There you go, Yeah,
that's to me, But that's that's how I look. Here's
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the thing though, if people are frustrator upset with what's
happened off the field for Deshaun Watson and you're a
Browns fan, where the hell have you been for Cremut,
Like in all seriousness, which has been much more public
and well documented what took place there, Like, you can't
be all of a sudden enraged now if you weren't
in rage, And that's just hypocritical or ignorant if people
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didn't understand what happened with Cream Hunt. So I mean,
two different scenarios, but similar nature of Uh. If what's
being alleged is true with Deshaun Watson, it's heinous and
it's awful, So spare me the whole. Well, now I'm
in rage, Well you should have already been in rage
because Kareem Hunt has been there playing for them for
two years now. Since that incident happened. But I digress. Look,
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the Browns fan base, all right, we'll accept him obviously
with success, much like they accepted the return of f
Bron James, who literally left them high and try and
the decision in a school and accord when he donated
millions and everyone's like, wait what you're leaving you and
we're we're grobbling when he came back. Please won't take anything,
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don't you guys think that the Kareem Hunt is and
and call me crazy, but it's like, all right, I
can handle a linebacker being uh, you know, not so
smart or not not so great person. I can handle
a running back coming up short in the morale uh
category and column. But for quarterback to be in question,
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I mean, will we say that there's there's possibly a
difference in waiting those those those positions. I think that
if the face of your organization is in question character wise,
I think that's a bigger issue than to say you're
you know more so it's hypocritical that you didn't fill
this this outrage with Kareem Hunt too. It was way
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more violent and and that's the difference is I'm not
trying to make this in apples to apples comparison. I'm
just trying to say, like, if this is what you're
outraged by, which what's being alleged isn't as violent. I'm
not saying it's not as harmful, but it's not as
as violent and public as far as what we know happened.
We saw what happened with the Cream Hunt situation. We
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saw that, so that's that's it's different with the way
it hits like that. I'm just saying they're both, Like
you should be outraged by both. You shouldn't be going, Okay,
it's a quarterback. It doesn't matter the position. It doesn't
matter like hateful acts, wrongful acts, or acts, and they
should be judged the same even though they're not exactly
the same. In this instance, I just I couldn't stand
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reading the out rates from people like they had never
realized that a Browns player had had any sort of
past transgression, because I'm sure none of them cheered for
Kellen Winslow and he got a touchdown or anything like
that when he was there. So yeah, there's nothing. I'm
just saying, like it just if we want to play
this game, we can go through every roster in the NFL.
Somebody's got a checkered past. I'm sure like it just
like this idea that people want to, you know, use
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this as their opportunity to say, well, I'll never root
for the Browns again. Okay, sure you won't, all right, sure,
whatever you say. It just feels like it happens all
the time, went on state. So certainly we have some
guy cheat. Yes, very very checkered. I've heard Fox Sports
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