April 6, 2022 • 42 mins
Wednesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington are convinced Deshaun Watson will be suspended after a judge orders him to answer questions about sexual encounters with massage therapists. The Old P, Petros Papadakis talks about the dumpster fire that is the Lakers, who were eliminated from playoff contention. Also, the significance of 8 teams having multiple picks in the 1st round of the NFL Draft.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar areas Rady Quinn and Joe Miss
Knocks on four radioling Gat. I gotta be honest with
you guys. You know, I feel bad because you know,
yesterday only was able to make it for an hour
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of the show. I had some people reach out via text,
via you know, Twitter. Apparently it's a company that Elon
Musk runs now, but it's neither here nor there. Yeah,
I'm I'm actually glad about that. It's gonna be interesting
to see what happens. Um. I wouldn't come clean about
something though, all right, Um, I know it's early. I
don't care from the West coast to East coast, but
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sometimes you know, you have needs and at that moment,
away I needed to go get a massage, all right,
I had. And it took me a while to find
my towel to to take to thee and obviously I
had the scheduled long long get advanced. Um, I found
a massage. Does your towel have your name on it?
(01:07):
My towel not only does it have my name on it,
but it actually looks more like a battle axe. Battle
act doubles as a cold in that snowshovel. You know
it's you could chop down a tree with that, definitely
could Uh anybody see my backscratcher? Yeah, in the hamper?
(01:30):
All right, So I here we go. So my apologies, guys,
I appreciate the tender care. Are we in a bad
place and we say we support you? I mean, are
we out of line? Well? I thought were gonna be
be right there next Yeah, yeah, at different type of
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couples massage though dueling banjo's you know, alright, so we're
off and running and uh exist too funny you should
mention it, Brady. Funny you would bring up why you
had to go yes, um, well, the Deshaun Watson situation
that everyone disclosure it was, nothing's going to come up
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later on where we was like, man, they we're talking
about that on air. We have we have a strategy
on the show. Why why lead into stories with the
same old, tired routine where I set it up and
we go back and forth and we could just take
turns taking the most uncomfortable approach into a story possible,
And that's what we just did. But approach it was
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because here we are there way to bring us to it.
Watson situation has taken another turn here this according to
UM the USA Today, a Texas judge, you remember those
eighteen women that came out and supported Deshaun Watson, like
a year ago. They were saying, oh, listen, we we
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we did business with him. Everything was fine, no problems whatsoever.
We According to according to the USA Today, a Texas
judges ruled that Deshaun Watson must answer answer to questions
aimed at determining whether or not UM he had a
sexual relationship with any of the eighteen women that came
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forward in defense of him. So obviously this is outside
of the twenty two women who filed lawsuits against Deshaun Watson.
So if your math is correct, yes, that's forty different
massage therapists reportedly that have had interactions with Deshaun Watson.
So away we go, right when you think, hey man,
I got my two thirty million guaranteed, I'm out go
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have fun with this story all you want. This pops
up yesterday and here we are with Deshaun Watson continuing
in the news. Yes, it's um, it's something that this is.
This is originally came out n Rusty Harden, Deshaun Watson's attorney,
had admitted that there was consensual behavior sex that took place.
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He admitted this, and I remember talking about this a
year ago and being absolutely confused at how no one
wanted to pick up on the fact that this was
a key component and how this was all gonna shake out.
And you're sitting there going, well, what's wrong with consensual sex? Well,
there's a problem in two ways. You know. One, if
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you're paying for it, that's considered prostitution, which is not legal. Um.
The second is the fact that it creates a pattern,
a habit, a a motive operation, if you will, meaning
if an attorney who can sit there or a judge
would sit there and say, okay, hold on, So you
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were doing this with these women that you're saying, well, yeah,
they came in. I found them on on social media
and they came in. We had these sexual encounters, but
they were consensual and they were okay with that, and
they admitted admitted to that. But then you have this
other group of twenty two people who said, yeah, he
contact us the same way, got us to come in
to do with this massage the same way. However, what
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what went all on, what happened. I'm not okay with
what obviously they're doing. The plaintiffs are doing is saying
this was how he was going about doing it, and
half were okay with it and half weren't. That's a problem.
And if they're able to get him to not plead
the fifth and if he has to talk about those
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sexual encounters, or if he can whatever comes from this,
and it persuades a jury enough, you know it's over.
I mean he's gonna be, at least from a civil standpoint,
probably convicted, probably have to pay large sum of money
because the burden of proof is, to put it simply,
those people just have to be persuaded that it was
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greater than chance that he did something wrong, right, That's all.
It has to be in a of will suit, and
that's where you're getting to. And so I just I
looked at and go, why were we were talking? I
brought us a year ago and no one thought it
was a big deal. It's a big deal now, isn't it. Well,
I can I can tell you what may come from this, uh,
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this scenario. Just keep it together, Okay, I'll just try it.
He's always focused on what we may comfortable that no, man,
because you gotta pay attention to the details of weird
things are going to come from, you know what I mean.
But but the thing about it is, I know that
black light will will will expose it all. Man. It
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brings the truth to the to the surface. And there's
no justification for the amount of people involved in this
situation for me. I mean, come on, come on, like,
do you can't up? If you were to take people
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who are into getting massages massage therapy and we were
to take a poll on how many massage therapists that
they use during the same amount of time, over the
course of time that Deshaun Watson chose these forty plus,
I just cannot fathom there being someone that's above what ten. Oh,
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you might start thinking if it's anyway like if this
is just a regular everyday deal and I'm talking to somebody,
we're having a random conversation, Oh, you enjoy massage therapy, Okay,
dada da, that's that. Another So you you're telling me
you you seek new massage therapists and you've done it
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to the tune of more than double digits times, I'm
gonna think that you're a creeper. You're there something wrong
with you. There there is something that is whether you're
a woman or man, there's something that I right, you're
you're You cannot convince me of you just being a
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serial musus, a serial massage person. I can't. I can't
buy it. I had a buddy whom his little brother
had an issue with with this sort of thing. I
would describe and say he got addicted to like rubbing tugs.
I'll just I'll be honest. I would allowed to say that,
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you know, well, I don't know. I'm saying he got
addicted to in the sense like he was going every
other few days. And it was a situation where he
had like a map that he would go look to
see the different venues in places. And you were just like, dude,
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he had a map he had that it was actually
a website. There's a website to that's that's a problem.
You have a problem? Was good dad? Did he have
one of those maps like they have one of the
maps where you where you unfolded. Was he couldn't unfold
it after the first that it didn't see that's a
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bad point. It was like it's like the bottom of
a bird cage. And then when you pull him I don't.
I've never seen the bird cage. That's try to cleaning
one up. I know when you try to pull him apart,
who had birds? You mess up the look it pulls
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the paper apart. Uh uh. The whole thing is there's
a problem. All right, there's a problem. Here's what I
think is going to happen. I've now taken the turn
to the other side. I think he's getting suspended. I
think I think he's going to get suspended. And I
think Mary kay Cabot, who threw this out a couple
of days ago, who said there's a possibility one of
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those stories that's out there is that they might suspend
him six games, but they'll reduce it to four. I
know we did the comparison to Bob Craft. I have
no idea. Yeah, I have no idea. That's always, for
some reason, they always reduce it. Generally when guy's appeal,
it's like or best offer, like we'll give you this
or best offer, Okay, we'll take four, and they settle
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on four. And I look at it and I go
I know that we did the comparison to Bob Kraft,
which is fair and Brady brought that up, and there
weren't anybody else that brought that up, saying, hey, Bob
Kraft did the same thing, but he didn't do it
with forty different ones and there wasn't evidence of a
pattern of behavior like there is with Deshaun Watson. This
feels like this is going in the way of a suspension.
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And I think if you're the Browns, you get a
better get ready for jacoble Pre said, starting, let me
get this to the to the scenario as well. Well,
I'm speaking seriously because I totally was having fun with
it early on. I had I had my guy, he's
a he's a legal expert, Brian Claypool, and he was
on this past weekend. And and here's the thing about it.
When we were talking last week about he needs to
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settle this as quickly as possible so that they can
close this up, get the the NBA sign and move
on from it. All right, you get that gag order
and play then there's no there's no talk. Yeah, there's
no talking when that you get that gag order out there.
So the situation now, and I did not know this
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at the moment in time we were speaking on it,
last week. This is not a double jeopardy situation. This
was not a a trial where he was found innocent
and now it cannot be tried again. This this can
still be a criminal situation that unfolds if something comes
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out in these interviews that he's doing under oath, he
needs to settle if if he's really thinking that he's
going to prove his innocence. There are still factors like
the one we're discussing right now, Like Brady just said,
that can it can determine a motive, It can determine
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your main objective, and it can determine your intent. And
if you can truly determine that his intent was to
have physical relations with these Masseus or acting as Masseus
massage therapists, this could now turn and develop into something
very very different. And now a four game, a six
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game suspension seems even more outlandish because now you're talking
about we're confirming that there is something that has happened
that was wrong, and we know it's directly connected to
this person in particular. He's in a very dangerous split
space right now, because you know, the more they look
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into this, some more they're finding, Oh, there's there's more
like I just I understand him wanting to no, no, no,
I'm I'm I don't plan unsettling. I don't plan unsettling.
At some point you better settle. Rusty Harden, better give
him a call and say, hey, dude, like you don't
like we've already admitted a little bit and we did
this at the start and said, well, you know there
was you know, some sort of consensual acts between Deshaun
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and some of the women even though he had a girlfriend.
I never mind o that. Uh we he did admit
to that early on. If I'm Rusty Harden, I'm telling him, hey,
I get it, You're never gonna win back a certain
portion of the audience, but before you lose every portion
of the everything, every audience person and everything, dude, walk
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walk away. Man. It just feels like this is going
to get a dicey if he continues on, um gonna
get Yeah. Be sure to catch live editions of Two
Pros and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LaVar
Errington and Jonas Knocks week days at six am Eastern
three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
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Heart Radio Petros Papadkis is the co host of the
Petros and Money show You here on the Blowtorch a
Fox Sports Radio AM five seventy l A Sports. He's
also a Fox College Football analyst, and he's kind enough
to spend every single Wednesday morning with us here on
Petricks and how we feel I get paid for it. Yeah,
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but that's still yeah, as we still appreciate you jumping up.
You want to make it very clear, this is not
about my friendship, and he hasn't let me do weekly
free radio hits anymore, even though we pay you. You
know what I mean, it's it's you know, it's good. Well,
let's also be more specific there. We don't pay anybody. Yeah,
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it's the same company I already worked for. Here you go,
there you go. But I treasure my relationship with you, boy,
And that was the point. That was the point, Patrick,
excuse me, Petricks. I want to give you credit because, um,
you know identify as man. Well, yeah, you gotta be careful.
It depends on what theme park you go to. I
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was pretty sure you did. I just wanted to be
clear with Patras. I wanted to give you credit because
I know there's a lot of people in l A
media who wouldn't show up and answer questions about the
diaper fire that was the Los Angeles Lakers. But here
you are, and I know you've been. Yeah, it's very difficult.
So I just wanted to commend you on being able
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to show up after they get eliminated? Did you hear
what your guys? Stu Lance, the long time broadcaster of
the Lakers, He got caught on a hot mike last night.
Have you heard this yet, Lance? I have. You're either
joking with me or I bet it's a joke. No,
this is this is real. This was Mike cables down.
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We always you know, I have Cox Cable here at
the house a while. It's a long joke, long running
joke on the show long but Cox has blocked me
for years. Cox blocking. Yeah, I'm happy that the that
the comras here works, so we're in good shape. Uh.
(16:08):
I was a little worried about that this morning. I
thought the blocking might continue into that realm, But so
I was. I was unable to watch the game only
on my cell phone, which is pathetic, right, while my
son watched like Mr Beast or something on YouTube on
the big TVs in the house. So I was unable
to really truly, and I lamented this to my family
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while I was watching the game on the little phone
and drinking a giant whiskey in a jar. I said,
you know, this is a travesty. I work in sports,
and I'm supposed to be able to see what's happening.
I understand this game, and I can only see it
on my phone because of Cox, and you guys are
watching Mr Beast. So I was blivid. So if there's
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was something happened last night that I could have enjoyed
in live time that I missed, Jonas and you're not
just messing with me, gonna play Maria can cheat on. No,
there's no there's no pac Man. Uh. This was Stulance
not realizing a mic was on when he was asking
these sons to put the Lakers out of their misery.
Take a listen, so d Stulan s O S D D,
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which is uh, same old leap, different day, Stulance. Uh,
you know your guy. You know, even he was ready
to depress watching this is making me sad on the
Lakers basketball. Now I am dits tacos. It is uh,
you know what was? I could tell you a funny
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Stuland story because for years, right, uh all he was
able to do. I mean, you guys are watching winning time,
and it's kind of clear that Chick was kind of
a kind of an a hole and all they really
let Ste do for years was just throw it to break, right, So,
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uh so Chick would be like, blah blah blah, and
then Ste would go and that's right, the Lakers are
up ten on the Lakers Basketball Network and he said
Basketball Network because it was a simulcast. It was on
TV and radio at the same time, just like Vincecully
was for the first three innings of the ninth for
a long time, because he was such an iconic broadcaster
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and you could hear him going both ways. And now,
when Chick was gone and they started splitting up the broadcast,
they were on TV and they were on Fox Sports Net,
and Stu would still throw it to break like he
still does now, and he'd be like, and Kobe says,
you take it, Fish, and Fish says, no, you take
it back, and Kobe says, thank you very much. There's
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two on Fox Sports Net. And then so like every
time he'd go to break that, he'd go Fox Sports
Net and apt for a while, they were like, why
does he say that every time? They were like, well,
because he thinks he's on the radio. He asked to say.
So they told him like, still, you don't have to
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say Fox Sports Net every time anymore, and so he
was like, okay, So now he goes Lebron to a D.
A D says take it back. Lebron says, thank you
very much. And that is too for the Lakers. It's
just the same cadence. And it's unbelievable how he died.
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Just love it. So whenever you hear him say anything
off Mike like that, and you can tell he's not
broadcasting because he's not, like, and there is another down
twenty here at Staples tonight. You know, it's like it's
not the same kind of uh he played again for me?
Please this is here. Here's a gay MS room. Oh no,
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I'm sorry, that's funny to bell. Why does he say
Fox Sports that every time? Because he thinks he has to?
All right, we'll just tell him just and there's a
deuce Lakers down thirty. What a bummer seasons over Petros tonight.
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I know you and Matt to the devil. The price
was cheap. I mean they sold it out. I mean, look,
has anybody run that. They've had championships and great things happen,
which is more than you can say for some other franchises,
like the New York Knicks. But recently or while they've
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been in chaos. But ever since the Doctor died, it
hasn't been the same franchise, right, Yeah, I mean it's
just the Jim Buss tried to run it. And remember
Sam a mix article about Jim Buss's favorite bartender friend,
Chad and how Chad helps him. Remember that. Yeah, I mean,
I mean, and now we've got Genie Buss and the
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Linda Rambis and the Shadow GM Magic and the Shadow
owner Linda Rambus and all this weird stuff. I mean,
it's just a it's a Peyton place. Look up that reference. Uh.
And it has been for years, you know. I mean,
it hasn't been any different, and there's always been an
extreme amount of drama. But we had a guy on
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yesterday from the Athletic that covers the Lakers. He's a
young guy, really good. Uh, Yovan Buha and he that's
his name. I got you all in check. Yeah, you're
somebody understand and u uh he uh. He was like,
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this is the biggest unmitigated failure in Laker history. This
is four times worse than the Steve Nash Dwhite Howard
on the cover of Sports Illustrated that team at least
be the playoffs, and on and on and on, and
it's true. I mean it is awful. And the fact
that they've tried to cover it, that cover the stink
of their corpse with the cologne of Lebron's scoring title
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or whatever record he's breaking. I mean it. We're not
talking about the Orlando Magic. Nobody cares about anybody breaking
records on this team, on this franchise, unless unless they're
winning championships, are having a relevant postseason. This is the
Los Angeles Lakers we're talking about. And I think a
lot of it is compounded right now by the winning
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time thing that a lot of people that are interested
in the Lakers are watching and they're being reminded, although
in a cartoonish way, what a great owner Jerry Buss
was and how much of a passion he had for
the brand of the Lakers and how he created this
kind of dream Hollywood brand. I was gonna say fapid,
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but that's not right, but it's kind of true. I mean,
he built it on a foundation of prostitutes, but it
is a wonderful franchise for people of Los Angeles. I mean,
they absolutely love it. And to see it kind of
in the hands of mercenaries, so to speak, I think
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it's really starting to turn people off more than they
ever could have imagined when they built this team. So,
so what's your best guest, petro ass as to what's
going to happen this offseason or or what's going to
be the plan for them next year. I mean, so
I don't know, Like I mean, Russ back. Do you
want to see Russ back? All these weird gymnastics you
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have to do or act like you understand when you
talk about NBA trades. I mean, from what I understand.
Magic went on TV the other day and made a
fool of himself saying that they could have had to
mar de Rosen and Buddy Healed and and and all
these and kept all their role players like Caruso and KCP.
And I'm pretty sure that's not the case. We had
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smart people come on and explain that to us. It's
rich coming from Magic, who is one of the worst
GMS in recent sports history. But you know, never mind
all that. You know, he's getting Magic's upset to you know,
because he has his documentary out about how cool he is,
and all anybody thinks about is that BBW prostitute and
winning time. I keep watching over and over and over
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what happened the show? Many time they have Magic, What
happened Magic of the show? Magic falls into the clutches
of a Crenshaw pimp and has like a gigantic orgy
with like twelve black prostitutes. And one of them is
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very plumb and ripe, and and it is a fruit
that must be picked. Magic character picks that fruit very
very enthusiastically enthusiastically, And you have to have enthusiasm if
you're going to be with somebody that there's more of.
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Oh but anyway that anybody, anybody can think about his
Magic up up in that and you know he's like
crawling in the background. But but you know, Magic wants
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to go out and TV and like watch my documentary
and the Lakers suck And it's not my fault, you
know that, And it's you know, it's I think that's
there's a kind of whatever he does that. It spends
the sports world for a couple of days. I don't
know what the ask after this. I don't know where
do we go at this? Can you define what plumping
(25:56):
right for the picking is? That's my next But there
was definitely, uh, a lot of friendships. There's a there's
a draft coming up. Is there a comp? Would you?
Would you like, well, there's an NFL drap? Would you?
Is there a comp to what what Magic was picking
from in the show? Is there like a comp? Yeah? Yeah,
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I'd say, uh, I mean I didn't see her standing up,
but I would say D three D three nose guard
for a team that goes with just three down line? Like, so,
who Notre Dame is opening up like a nibe? Jerry Ball?
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Jerry Ball? I mean that's a three technique zero technique. Yeah,
that's three hundred pounds plus. Yeah, I mean to a
little not wide enough to be Dan Sally Amua, lovely lady.
That's all I can think about in winning time, and like,
I thought it was over, and then they had another
flashback to it last week and I was like that,
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there's that same girl that you know. It's funny. I've
been driving Crenshaw home these days you've been, You've been
all the way. She's taking the show all the way
to the hill. You'll be driving with hope in your
heart and then your uh show. And it's a distracting
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a lot from the dumpster fire that is the Lakers
in real life and Magic's documentary that nobody watched. Get
him on Twitter at the old p Uh. He is
the co host of the Petros and Money Show on
AM five seventy l A Sports Fox called Football Analyst,
l A Sports used to be what's that the Lakers?
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It did for for many years, forty years. By the
way AM five seventy got out right in time, it
is knocking smooth. It was business and we had to
make a decision, gonna give them what the ESPN people
gave them. That they're not happy there, but trust me,
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end of the day, they're not happy because you know why,
they're not family like us, family family. Patrose will do
it again next week. Man always fun. I had an
hour long meeting with Don Martin yesterday and a group
of termite peoples. What do you mean? That was it?
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That was it? That was it? They want to buy
the part of the show that the termite people, I like,
is that a big issue? And coast I mean, I
don't know. This a little dryer environment. There's a lot
of a lot of term issues. There are some termites
out here. It's gonna get really big. We get really
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big termites from other places like Colin cowherd color start
eating everything. Did not think this is gonna take that there?
It is all right, go to usc alright, fatros papad
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acres uh sticks the landing again here on on Two
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your podcast. Roberto has had done himself a bar. He's
gone to an all time low. It's a new it's
a new low for his favorite movie on the show.
And all of a sudden you forgot about it. Yeah
I had not. I was not aware of that. You
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forge about it. Yeah, I was not aware of that sequence.
Um yeah, oh boy, Brady, you want to guess what
movie we're referencing that Roberto had on the studio? Um? Um,
I mean it was a Monster's Ball. Now, No, I
don't think Howard Stern movie. No private parts, not color.
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I'll give you a hint that the word crying isn't
the title crying? Yeah, you lost my all right, well,
listen to Rattled. All right, So away we go, uh
into the NFL conversation of this hour to lead this
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hour and uh so when Less Sneed came out and
he was given the old f M picks talking about
draft picks and looking around going you know, you know,
I'm not really into the uh the idea that we're
going to go ahead and uh, you know, just build
through the draft, like he had a different approach, he
had a different thought about what he wanted to do
with his football team. And so they went out there
and they made some big trades and he just gave away.
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And I don't think they have a first round pick
until like two thousand sixty eight or something like that.
And so, um, it felt like Wilson to our copycat league,
maybe that's going to be the the approach from some
teams in the NFL. Yet here we are, the draft
is at the end of the month and you've got
what is it, eight teams with multiple picks in the
first round. Um, which just makes me wonder, is it
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that there's no real gitimate top quarterback prospect, which is
why teams are willing to part ways with the picks,
or they identify there are other positions in this draft
that they look at and go, we want as many opportunities,
as many bites at the apple here, because we feel
like we can build a roster if we already have
our quarterback. There's enough talent here elsewhere when it comes
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to positions that we can build a decent roster and
start getting this thing going. Because I don't recall there
being this many teams with multiple picks in the first
round of a draft. Yeah, literally, half the first round
is going to be comprised of a quarter the league.
That's what you're looking at. Eight teams have half the
first round picks this year, so you're seeing much more control.
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And maybe it divided philosophy where you are looking at
teams that feel like they've got a quarterback or they've
got a guy, they don't need to, you know, invest
quite as much in some of these first round picks.
They they'd rather invest in the guys second, third, fourth, fifth,
sixth round where they can find a little more value
there um and and then you know, basically we say, hey,
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we feel like we've got a similar hit rate, or
we're not looking for that quarterback in the first round,
or we're not looking for that big time you know
edge rush. We've got those guys. You know, we we
signed those guys. We we went the veteran route for that.
We needed known commodities in order to be able to
feel like we can you know, succeed. We'd rather plug
you know, in some of these first round picks and
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other rookies somewhere else. So maybe it's a dividing philosophy
right now when you're looking at teams to say, hey,
we feel like we're close, but we want to rebuild
through the draft. Other teams to say, we're close, we
need to spend some more money. Let's use draft capital
in exchange to get those players to our roster so
we feel like we can win right now. I think
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that's the contrasting um, you know, point or inflection point
that they were at right now in the NFL between
how teams are viewing building the rosters to have success. Yeah,
I think that that's just where sports has gone. Is
you don't you have a microwave culture at this point
in sports, meaning to say that we're gonna build through
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the draft. You may be saying, okay, you might have
to wait three years, four years for for something to
come to fruition if it ever happens. But you're waiting, like,
think about this, you may have to wait two to
three or four years for it to possibly work based
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off of building through the draft and saying that it's
going to take time. Now that that once was a
a real philosophy, even with coaches. You bring a coach
in third year, you start to see the turnaround fourth year,
you start to really really see the results of what
that coaches is able to do. And generally rule of
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thumb is so so that you could build the culture,
you could develop the players, different things like that. That
is not how it works in today's football culture, sports culture, heck,
cultural culture, right and and so looking at draft picks,
it's not as it doesn't seem like it's as sexy
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if you're a team that is trying. First off, you
every team is trying to win now. That's that's the
thing where we're at right now. They're all trying to
win now. So who are you bringing in that is
going to help you win right now? And this year's draft.
I mean, if I'm the Rams, I'm looking at this
year's draft and it's probably O line as my first
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thought process, maybe a receiver. Um, those are probably the
two most most pressing needs for the Rams right now.
But if I'm less need, I feel good about what
I have and I only need a couple of pieces
that are apart. I don't need a franchise guy through
the draft right now. And a lot of times, if
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you look at the success rates of of draft picks
versus unrestricted free agents that come after the draft is over. Man,
there's a ton of guys that didn't get drafted that
are littered in the in the NFL Hall of Fame,
there are a ton of All pros that were late
round draft picks or were undrafted to begin with. A
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lot of times it's because they get the opportunity to develop. Now. Now, granted,
they may have the stress of being released from a
team and going to another team or maybe even another
one after that, until they get to that point. You
think of a guy like James Arison. There's guys that
jump out at you and you think about, man, that
person went through some things during their development time. But
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the bottom line is is that they don't get burnt
by the media or by a coaching staff from being
a high profile guy when they come in that way.
So when you look at high draft picks, high draft
picks there on the clock the minute they're drafted, their
careers are on the clock because of the amount of
scrutiny that's connected to spending that type of draft capital
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into a player. It feels like if you if you're
a team with a quarterback like Kansas City and Green
Bay have multiple first round picks like that feels like
an advantageous situation for them because they have their quarterback
spot answered now they can just build around those guys.
But then you've got the Giants, Daniel Jones, that's up
in the air. The Texans, you think they like Davis Mills,
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but we don't know whether or not that's going to
pan out. The Jets and Zach Wilson, who the hell knows.
The Saints apparently are are committed to Jamis Winston, the Eagles,
the Lions, or the other team. It just it feels
like if this were a better quarterback draft class, there
would be less teams willing to part with those picks,
you know what I mean? Like, if I think the
other thing that's changed to is how it seems are
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viewing the fifth year option. Teams are making quicker decisions,
whether it's a quarterback or any other player for that matter,
on picking up that fifth year option, which they have
to do after their third year, right so before they
play the final year of their deal, they've got to
make that decision. And that didn't used to be a
fully guaranteed commitment it is now. It used to be
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when you picked up the fifth year option. It was
for injury only, So if in that fourth year the
player got injured and they couldn't pass the physical come
the first day of the new league gear heading into
their fifth year, then they would be able to get
that money. It would be guaranteed them. Otherwise, if that
fourth year went crappy, they could just say, hey, we're
dropping this. We're not we're not continuing on with this.
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With this if the player was healthy and able to
pass physical, that's changed. Now you're locked into a five
year deal. If you pick up that that you know,
fifth year option after the third year or at least
it's gonna be on your books, right, So I think
that's changed to where teams are looking at it going okay,
if we're basically saying that there's probably I don't know, five,
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maybe ten prospects that are immediate impact players, potential superstars
right away, and then the rest of the margin of differences,
I don't know the you better believe teams aren't looking
anymore at saying always the first rounder. They're looking at
it saying, well, we have a pick in the top
one hundred because we feel like picks eleven through one hundred.
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That degree of difference as far as the talent ability
and what that player could be is so minimal that
we're not really looking at you know, we're if we're
taking them at eleven versus taking them at thirty five,
like it's kind of a wash because we feel really
good about that player one way or another based on
our grade on him. So I think that's the other
thing you're starting to see. Two is that subtle tweak
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in the way the fifth year option now is handled
by teams has played a role, I think in an
impact too on how some team's view first round draft
picks or if they're coveted or not. It does feel
like so Aidan Hutchinson feels like he's gonna go number
one overall at least that that is some of the speculation.
Who's the first quarterback to goes it willis is Maliquil
is going to be the guy. That's from where the
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odds are at right now, he's a slight favorite to
be the first quarterback going. I just wonder how quick
he goes that. That's that's my six. Six seems to
be the spot. Although then that leads you to think
if Atlanta gets aggressive, they get trade up to five
and leap frog Carolina Um. I don't know. It's a
tough spot to being. As I've said before, I don't
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know that you know, teams are falling in love with
any of these guys, and that's usually what you need
to happen. It only takes one team, but they gotta
fall in love with the guy enough to make that
that draft pick. And the trend has been playing them
early and often in the rookie year. And if you're
gonna take a guy in Malik Willis, he might be
one of the more raw at the position. Now, he's
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got the most upside and that's why you'd be drafting
him first. You know, take him as the first quarterback.
But that doesn't mean it's gonna work out, you know,
that doesn't mean you've got a guy who's got talent
that is, you know, not comparable to Josh Allen. Only
Josh Allen has his arm, his size match that athleticism. MALIEK.
Willis has a strong arm, not as big um, but
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the accuracy shoes. You know, people talked about Josh Allen,
you can see some of that too with Malik Willis. Um.
You know, pocket presents all those things when the last
time we've seen a rookie quarterback come in and have success. Well,
it depends on what you you know, consider success. I
mean Herbert's the one that right away probably comes to mindy. Yeah,
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I mean Baker Mayfield set the touchdown record that year,
and it felt like it completely turned around the the
hopes of the you know Cleveland Browns, did he not? Yeah?
And and here we are, well right, and and then
and that's the problem. Like Zach Wilson, everyone was optimistic
about him last year, people are still optimistic this year.
Like that's one where I'm going. I don't know, is
he any any different position than Sam Donald was. I
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actually think there was more optimism, or there should have
been more optimist about Sam Donald after his rookie year
than Zack Wilson. Yeah, people keep trying to pump that narrative.
I have no idea why so. I just the hard
thing with all these guys is there's only a few
that can come in and elevate the level of everyone
else out around them. I don't know that any of
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these quarterbacks are that guy, the one guy will say
you this much that it's gonna sneak up and get higher.
And taken higher than people think. As Desmond Ritter, he
checks a lot of boxes, a lot of boxes, and
he's kind of that guy that um almost like Jalen Hurts,
where like every time he's done something he's improved, he
looks more of the part on some of the things
that he needed to improve upon. I just I feel
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like that's one to keep an eye on. Like, I
think there's some people who secretly like him a lot
better uh than than maybe they're willing to admit or
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Knocks on four radioling Gat. I gotta be honest with
you guys. You know, I feel bad because you know,
yesterday only was able to make it for an hour
(00:23):
of the show. I had some people reach out via text,
via you know, Twitter. Apparently it's a company that Elon
Musk runs now, but it's neither here nor there. Yeah,
I'm I'm actually glad about that. It's gonna be interesting
to see what happens. Um. I wouldn't come clean about
something though, all right, Um, I know it's early. I
don't care from the West coast to East coast, but
(00:44):
sometimes you know, you have needs and at that moment,
away I needed to go get a massage, all right,
I had. And it took me a while to find
my towel to to take to thee and obviously I
had the scheduled long long get advanced. Um, I found
a massage. Does your towel have your name on it?
(01:07):
My towel not only does it have my name on it,
but it actually looks more like a battle axe. Battle
act doubles as a cold in that snowshovel. You know
it's you could chop down a tree with that, definitely
could Uh anybody see my backscratcher? Yeah, in the hamper?
(01:30):
All right, So I here we go. So my apologies, guys,
I appreciate the tender care. Are we in a bad
place and we say we support you? I mean, are
we out of line? Well? I thought were gonna be
be right there next Yeah, yeah, at different type of
(01:52):
couples massage though dueling banjo's you know, alright, so we're
off and running and uh exist too funny you should
mention it, Brady. Funny you would bring up why you
had to go yes, um, well, the Deshaun Watson situation
that everyone disclosure it was, nothing's going to come up
(02:17):
later on where we was like, man, they we're talking
about that on air. We have we have a strategy
on the show. Why why lead into stories with the
same old, tired routine where I set it up and
we go back and forth and we could just take
turns taking the most uncomfortable approach into a story possible,
And that's what we just did. But approach it was
(02:37):
because here we are there way to bring us to it.
Watson situation has taken another turn here this according to
UM the USA Today, a Texas judge, you remember those
eighteen women that came out and supported Deshaun Watson, like
a year ago. They were saying, oh, listen, we we
(02:59):
we did business with him. Everything was fine, no problems whatsoever.
We According to according to the USA Today, a Texas
judges ruled that Deshaun Watson must answer answer to questions
aimed at determining whether or not UM he had a
sexual relationship with any of the eighteen women that came
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forward in defense of him. So obviously this is outside
of the twenty two women who filed lawsuits against Deshaun Watson.
So if your math is correct, yes, that's forty different
massage therapists reportedly that have had interactions with Deshaun Watson.
So away we go, right when you think, hey man,
I got my two thirty million guaranteed, I'm out go
(03:43):
have fun with this story all you want. This pops
up yesterday and here we are with Deshaun Watson continuing
in the news. Yes, it's um, it's something that this is.
This is originally came out n Rusty Harden, Deshaun Watson's attorney,
had admitted that there was consensual behavior sex that took place.
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He admitted this, and I remember talking about this a
year ago and being absolutely confused at how no one
wanted to pick up on the fact that this was
a key component and how this was all gonna shake out.
And you're sitting there going, well, what's wrong with consensual sex? Well,
there's a problem in two ways. You know. One, if
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you're paying for it, that's considered prostitution, which is not legal. Um.
The second is the fact that it creates a pattern,
a habit, a a motive operation, if you will, meaning
if an attorney who can sit there or a judge
would sit there and say, okay, hold on, So you
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were doing this with these women that you're saying, well, yeah,
they came in. I found them on on social media
and they came in. We had these sexual encounters, but
they were consensual and they were okay with that, and
they admitted admitted to that. But then you have this
other group of twenty two people who said, yeah, he
contact us the same way, got us to come in
to do with this massage the same way. However, what
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what went all on, what happened. I'm not okay with
what obviously they're doing. The plaintiffs are doing is saying
this was how he was going about doing it, and
half were okay with it and half weren't. That's a problem.
And if they're able to get him to not plead
the fifth and if he has to talk about those
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sexual encounters, or if he can whatever comes from this,
and it persuades a jury enough, you know it's over.
I mean he's gonna be, at least from a civil standpoint,
probably convicted, probably have to pay large sum of money
because the burden of proof is, to put it simply,
those people just have to be persuaded that it was
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greater than chance that he did something wrong, right, That's all.
It has to be in a of will suit, and
that's where you're getting to. And so I just I
looked at and go, why were we were talking? I
brought us a year ago and no one thought it
was a big deal. It's a big deal now, isn't it. Well,
I can I can tell you what may come from this, uh,
(06:16):
this scenario. Just keep it together, Okay, I'll just try it.
He's always focused on what we may comfortable that no, man,
because you gotta pay attention to the details of weird
things are going to come from, you know what I mean.
But but the thing about it is, I know that
black light will will will expose it all. Man. It
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brings the truth to the to the surface. And there's
no justification for the amount of people involved in this
situation for me. I mean, come on, come on, like,
do you can't up? If you were to take people
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who are into getting massages massage therapy and we were
to take a poll on how many massage therapists that
they use during the same amount of time, over the
course of time that Deshaun Watson chose these forty plus,
I just cannot fathom there being someone that's above what ten. Oh,
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you might start thinking if it's anyway like if this
is just a regular everyday deal and I'm talking to somebody,
we're having a random conversation, Oh, you enjoy massage therapy, Okay,
dada da, that's that. Another So you you're telling me
you you seek new massage therapists and you've done it
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to the tune of more than double digits times, I'm
gonna think that you're a creeper. You're there something wrong
with you. There there is something that is whether you're
a woman or man, there's something that I right, you're
you're You cannot convince me of you just being a
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serial musus, a serial massage person. I can't. I can't
buy it. I had a buddy whom his little brother
had an issue with with this sort of thing. I
would describe and say he got addicted to like rubbing tugs.
I'll just I'll be honest. I would allowed to say that,
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you know, well, I don't know. I'm saying he got
addicted to in the sense like he was going every
other few days. And it was a situation where he
had like a map that he would go look to
see the different venues in places. And you were just like, dude,
(08:57):
he had a map he had that it was actually
a website. There's a website to that's that's a problem.
You have a problem? Was good dad? Did he have
one of those maps like they have one of the
maps where you where you unfolded. Was he couldn't unfold
it after the first that it didn't see that's a
(09:19):
bad point. It was like it's like the bottom of
a bird cage. And then when you pull him I don't.
I've never seen the bird cage. That's try to cleaning
one up. I know when you try to pull him apart,
who had birds? You mess up the look it pulls
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the paper apart. Uh uh. The whole thing is there's
a problem. All right, there's a problem. Here's what I
think is going to happen. I've now taken the turn
to the other side. I think he's getting suspended. I
think I think he's going to get suspended. And I
think Mary kay Cabot, who threw this out a couple
of days ago, who said there's a possibility one of
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those stories that's out there is that they might suspend
him six games, but they'll reduce it to four. I
know we did the comparison to Bob Craft. I have
no idea. Yeah, I have no idea. That's always, for
some reason, they always reduce it. Generally when guy's appeal,
it's like or best offer, like we'll give you this
or best offer, Okay, we'll take four, and they settle
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on four. And I look at it and I go
I know that we did the comparison to Bob Kraft,
which is fair and Brady brought that up, and there
weren't anybody else that brought that up, saying, hey, Bob
Kraft did the same thing, but he didn't do it
with forty different ones and there wasn't evidence of a
pattern of behavior like there is with Deshaun Watson. This
feels like this is going in the way of a suspension.
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And I think if you're the Browns, you get a
better get ready for jacoble Pre said, starting, let me
get this to the to the scenario as well. Well,
I'm speaking seriously because I totally was having fun with
it early on. I had I had my guy, he's
a he's a legal expert, Brian Claypool, and he was
on this past weekend. And and here's the thing about it.
When we were talking last week about he needs to
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settle this as quickly as possible so that they can
close this up, get the the NBA sign and move
on from it. All right, you get that gag order
and play then there's no there's no talk. Yeah, there's
no talking when that you get that gag order out there.
So the situation now, and I did not know this
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at the moment in time we were speaking on it,
last week. This is not a double jeopardy situation. This
was not a a trial where he was found innocent
and now it cannot be tried again. This this can
still be a criminal situation that unfolds if something comes
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out in these interviews that he's doing under oath, he
needs to settle if if he's really thinking that he's
going to prove his innocence. There are still factors like
the one we're discussing right now, Like Brady just said,
that can it can determine a motive, It can determine
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your main objective, and it can determine your intent. And
if you can truly determine that his intent was to
have physical relations with these Masseus or acting as Masseus
massage therapists, this could now turn and develop into something
very very different. And now a four game, a six
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game suspension seems even more outlandish because now you're talking
about we're confirming that there is something that has happened
that was wrong, and we know it's directly connected to
this person in particular. He's in a very dangerous split
space right now, because you know, the more they look
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into this, some more they're finding, Oh, there's there's more
like I just I understand him wanting to no, no, no,
I'm I'm I don't plan unsettling. I don't plan unsettling.
At some point you better settle. Rusty Harden, better give
him a call and say, hey, dude, like you don't
like we've already admitted a little bit and we did
this at the start and said, well, you know there
was you know, some sort of consensual acts between Deshaun
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and some of the women even though he had a girlfriend.
I never mind o that. Uh we he did admit
to that early on. If I'm Rusty Harden, I'm telling him, hey,
I get it, You're never gonna win back a certain
portion of the audience, but before you lose every portion
of the everything, every audience person and everything, dude, walk
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walk away. Man. It just feels like this is going
to get a dicey if he continues on, um gonna
get Yeah. Be sure to catch live editions of Two
Pros and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LaVar
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(13:55):
Heart Radio Petros Papadkis is the co host of the
Petros and Money show You here on the Blowtorch a
Fox Sports Radio AM five seventy l A Sports. He's
also a Fox College Football analyst, and he's kind enough
to spend every single Wednesday morning with us here on
Petricks and how we feel I get paid for it. Yeah,
(14:16):
but that's still yeah, as we still appreciate you jumping up.
You want to make it very clear, this is not
about my friendship, and he hasn't let me do weekly
free radio hits anymore, even though we pay you. You
know what I mean, it's it's you know, it's good. Well,
let's also be more specific there. We don't pay anybody. Yeah,
(14:40):
it's the same company I already worked for. Here you go,
there you go. But I treasure my relationship with you, boy,
And that was the point. That was the point, Patrick,
excuse me, Petricks. I want to give you credit because, um,
you know identify as man. Well, yeah, you gotta be careful.
It depends on what theme park you go to. I
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was pretty sure you did. I just wanted to be
clear with Patras. I wanted to give you credit because
I know there's a lot of people in l A
media who wouldn't show up and answer questions about the
diaper fire that was the Los Angeles Lakers. But here
you are, and I know you've been. Yeah, it's very difficult.
So I just wanted to commend you on being able
(15:22):
to show up after they get eliminated? Did you hear
what your guys? Stu Lance, the long time broadcaster of
the Lakers, He got caught on a hot mike last night.
Have you heard this yet, Lance? I have. You're either
joking with me or I bet it's a joke. No,
this is this is real. This was Mike cables down.
(15:44):
We always you know, I have Cox Cable here at
the house a while. It's a long joke, long running
joke on the show long but Cox has blocked me
for years. Cox blocking. Yeah, I'm happy that the that
the comras here works, so we're in good shape. Uh.
(16:08):
I was a little worried about that this morning. I
thought the blocking might continue into that realm, But so
I was. I was unable to watch the game only
on my cell phone, which is pathetic, right, while my
son watched like Mr Beast or something on YouTube on
the big TVs in the house. So I was unable
to really truly, and I lamented this to my family
(16:30):
while I was watching the game on the little phone
and drinking a giant whiskey in a jar. I said,
you know, this is a travesty. I work in sports,
and I'm supposed to be able to see what's happening.
I understand this game, and I can only see it
on my phone because of Cox, and you guys are
watching Mr Beast. So I was blivid. So if there's
(16:52):
was something happened last night that I could have enjoyed
in live time that I missed, Jonas and you're not
just messing with me, gonna play Maria can cheat on. No,
there's no there's no pac Man. Uh. This was Stulance
not realizing a mic was on when he was asking
these sons to put the Lakers out of their misery.
Take a listen, so d Stulan s O S D D,
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which is uh, same old leap, different day, Stulance. Uh,
you know your guy. You know, even he was ready
to depress watching this is making me sad on the
Lakers basketball. Now I am dits tacos. It is uh,
you know what was? I could tell you a funny
(17:43):
Stuland story because for years, right, uh all he was
able to do. I mean, you guys are watching winning time,
and it's kind of clear that Chick was kind of
a kind of an a hole and all they really
let Ste do for years was just throw it to break, right, So,
(18:04):
uh so Chick would be like, blah blah blah, and
then Ste would go and that's right, the Lakers are
up ten on the Lakers Basketball Network and he said
Basketball Network because it was a simulcast. It was on
TV and radio at the same time, just like Vincecully
was for the first three innings of the ninth for
a long time, because he was such an iconic broadcaster
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and you could hear him going both ways. And now,
when Chick was gone and they started splitting up the broadcast,
they were on TV and they were on Fox Sports Net,
and Stu would still throw it to break like he
still does now, and he'd be like, and Kobe says,
you take it, Fish, and Fish says, no, you take
it back, and Kobe says, thank you very much. There's
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two on Fox Sports Net. And then so like every
time he'd go to break that, he'd go Fox Sports
Net and apt for a while, they were like, why
does he say that every time? They were like, well,
because he thinks he's on the radio. He asked to say.
So they told him like, still, you don't have to
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say Fox Sports Net every time anymore, and so he
was like, okay, So now he goes Lebron to a D.
A D says take it back. Lebron says, thank you
very much. And that is too for the Lakers. It's
just the same cadence. And it's unbelievable how he died.
(19:32):
Just love it. So whenever you hear him say anything
off Mike like that, and you can tell he's not
broadcasting because he's not, like, and there is another down
twenty here at Staples tonight. You know, it's like it's
not the same kind of uh he played again for me?
Please this is here. Here's a gay MS room. Oh no,
(20:07):
I'm sorry, that's funny to bell. Why does he say
Fox Sports that every time? Because he thinks he has to?
All right, we'll just tell him just and there's a
deuce Lakers down thirty. What a bummer seasons over Petros tonight.
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I know you and Matt to the devil. The price
was cheap. I mean they sold it out. I mean, look,
has anybody run that. They've had championships and great things happen,
which is more than you can say for some other franchises,
like the New York Knicks. But recently or while they've
(20:48):
been in chaos. But ever since the Doctor died, it
hasn't been the same franchise, right, Yeah, I mean it's
just the Jim Buss tried to run it. And remember
Sam a mix article about Jim Buss's favorite bartender friend,
Chad and how Chad helps him. Remember that. Yeah, I mean,
I mean, and now we've got Genie Buss and the
(21:11):
Linda Rambis and the Shadow GM Magic and the Shadow
owner Linda Rambus and all this weird stuff. I mean,
it's just a it's a Peyton place. Look up that reference. Uh.
And it has been for years, you know. I mean,
it hasn't been any different, and there's always been an
extreme amount of drama. But we had a guy on
(21:31):
yesterday from the Athletic that covers the Lakers. He's a
young guy, really good. Uh, Yovan Buha and he that's
his name. I got you all in check. Yeah, you're
somebody understand and u uh he uh. He was like,
(21:56):
this is the biggest unmitigated failure in Laker history. This
is four times worse than the Steve Nash Dwhite Howard
on the cover of Sports Illustrated that team at least
be the playoffs, and on and on and on, and
it's true. I mean it is awful. And the fact
that they've tried to cover it, that cover the stink
of their corpse with the cologne of Lebron's scoring title
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or whatever record he's breaking. I mean it. We're not
talking about the Orlando Magic. Nobody cares about anybody breaking
records on this team, on this franchise, unless unless they're
winning championships, are having a relevant postseason. This is the
Los Angeles Lakers we're talking about. And I think a
lot of it is compounded right now by the winning
(22:42):
time thing that a lot of people that are interested
in the Lakers are watching and they're being reminded, although
in a cartoonish way, what a great owner Jerry Buss
was and how much of a passion he had for
the brand of the Lakers and how he created this
kind of dream Hollywood brand. I was gonna say fapid,
(23:05):
but that's not right, but it's kind of true. I mean,
he built it on a foundation of prostitutes, but it
is a wonderful franchise for people of Los Angeles. I mean,
they absolutely love it. And to see it kind of
in the hands of mercenaries, so to speak, I think
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it's really starting to turn people off more than they
ever could have imagined when they built this team. So,
so what's your best guest, petro ass as to what's
going to happen this offseason or or what's going to
be the plan for them next year. I mean, so
I don't know, Like I mean, Russ back. Do you
want to see Russ back? All these weird gymnastics you
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have to do or act like you understand when you
talk about NBA trades. I mean, from what I understand.
Magic went on TV the other day and made a
fool of himself saying that they could have had to
mar de Rosen and Buddy Healed and and and all
these and kept all their role players like Caruso and KCP.
And I'm pretty sure that's not the case. We had
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smart people come on and explain that to us. It's
rich coming from Magic, who is one of the worst
GMS in recent sports history. But you know, never mind
all that. You know, he's getting Magic's upset to you know,
because he has his documentary out about how cool he is,
and all anybody thinks about is that BBW prostitute and
winning time. I keep watching over and over and over
(24:31):
what happened the show? Many time they have Magic, What
happened Magic of the show? Magic falls into the clutches
of a Crenshaw pimp and has like a gigantic orgy
with like twelve black prostitutes. And one of them is
(24:51):
very plumb and ripe, and and it is a fruit
that must be picked. Magic character picks that fruit very
very enthusiastically enthusiastically, And you have to have enthusiasm if
you're going to be with somebody that there's more of.
(25:12):
Oh but anyway that anybody, anybody can think about his
Magic up up in that and you know he's like
crawling in the background. But but you know, Magic wants
(25:35):
to go out and TV and like watch my documentary
and the Lakers suck And it's not my fault, you
know that, And it's you know, it's I think that's
there's a kind of whatever he does that. It spends
the sports world for a couple of days. I don't
know what the ask after this. I don't know where
do we go at this? Can you define what plumping
(25:56):
right for the picking is? That's my next But there
was definitely, uh, a lot of friendships. There's a there's
a draft coming up. Is there a comp? Would you?
Would you like, well, there's an NFL drap? Would you?
Is there a comp to what what Magic was picking
from in the show? Is there like a comp? Yeah? Yeah,
(26:18):
I'd say, uh, I mean I didn't see her standing up,
but I would say D three D three nose guard
for a team that goes with just three down line? Like, so,
who Notre Dame is opening up like a nibe? Jerry Ball?
(26:47):
Jerry Ball? I mean that's a three technique zero technique. Yeah,
that's three hundred pounds plus. Yeah, I mean to a
little not wide enough to be Dan Sally Amua, lovely lady.
That's all I can think about in winning time, and like,
I thought it was over, and then they had another
flashback to it last week and I was like that,
(27:10):
there's that same girl that you know. It's funny. I've
been driving Crenshaw home these days you've been, You've been
all the way. She's taking the show all the way
to the hill. You'll be driving with hope in your
heart and then your uh show. And it's a distracting
(27:33):
a lot from the dumpster fire that is the Lakers
in real life and Magic's documentary that nobody watched. Get
him on Twitter at the old p Uh. He is
the co host of the Petros and Money Show on
AM five seventy l A Sports Fox called Football Analyst,
l A Sports used to be what's that the Lakers?
(27:55):
It did for for many years, forty years. By the
way AM five seventy got out right in time, it
is knocking smooth. It was business and we had to
make a decision, gonna give them what the ESPN people
gave them. That they're not happy there, but trust me,
(28:16):
end of the day, they're not happy because you know why,
they're not family like us, family family. Patrose will do
it again next week. Man always fun. I had an
hour long meeting with Don Martin yesterday and a group
of termite peoples. What do you mean? That was it?
(28:39):
That was it? That was it? They want to buy
the part of the show that the termite people, I like,
is that a big issue? And coast I mean, I
don't know. This a little dryer environment. There's a lot
of a lot of term issues. There are some termites
out here. It's gonna get really big. We get really
(29:02):
big termites from other places like Colin cowherd color start
eating everything. Did not think this is gonna take that there?
It is all right, go to usc alright, fatros papad
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gone to an all time low. It's a new it's
a new low for his favorite movie on the show.
And all of a sudden you forgot about it. Yeah
I had not. I was not aware of that. You
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forge about it. Yeah, I was not aware of that sequence.
Um yeah, oh boy, Brady, you want to guess what
movie we're referencing that Roberto had on the studio? Um? Um,
I mean it was a Monster's Ball. Now, No, I
don't think Howard Stern movie. No private parts, not color.
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I'll give you a hint that the word crying isn't
the title crying? Yeah, you lost my all right, well,
listen to Rattled. All right, So away we go, uh
into the NFL conversation of this hour to lead this
(31:14):
hour and uh so when Less Sneed came out and
he was given the old f M picks talking about
draft picks and looking around going you know, you know,
I'm not really into the uh the idea that we're
going to go ahead and uh, you know, just build
through the draft, like he had a different approach, he
had a different thought about what he wanted to do
with his football team. And so they went out there
and they made some big trades and he just gave away.
(31:36):
And I don't think they have a first round pick
until like two thousand sixty eight or something like that.
And so, um, it felt like Wilson to our copycat league,
maybe that's going to be the the approach from some
teams in the NFL. Yet here we are, the draft
is at the end of the month and you've got
what is it, eight teams with multiple picks in the
first round. Um, which just makes me wonder, is it
(31:58):
that there's no real gitimate top quarterback prospect, which is
why teams are willing to part ways with the picks,
or they identify there are other positions in this draft
that they look at and go, we want as many opportunities,
as many bites at the apple here, because we feel
like we can build a roster if we already have
our quarterback. There's enough talent here elsewhere when it comes
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to positions that we can build a decent roster and
start getting this thing going. Because I don't recall there
being this many teams with multiple picks in the first
round of a draft. Yeah, literally, half the first round
is going to be comprised of a quarter the league.
That's what you're looking at. Eight teams have half the
first round picks this year, so you're seeing much more control.
(32:40):
And maybe it divided philosophy where you are looking at
teams that feel like they've got a quarterback or they've
got a guy, they don't need to, you know, invest
quite as much in some of these first round picks.
They they'd rather invest in the guys second, third, fourth, fifth,
sixth round where they can find a little more value
there um and and then you know, basically we say, hey,
(33:00):
we feel like we've got a similar hit rate, or
we're not looking for that quarterback in the first round,
or we're not looking for that big time you know
edge rush. We've got those guys. You know, we we
signed those guys. We we went the veteran route for that.
We needed known commodities in order to be able to
feel like we can you know, succeed. We'd rather plug
you know, in some of these first round picks and
(33:20):
other rookies somewhere else. So maybe it's a dividing philosophy
right now when you're looking at teams to say, hey,
we feel like we're close, but we want to rebuild
through the draft. Other teams to say, we're close, we
need to spend some more money. Let's use draft capital
in exchange to get those players to our roster so
we feel like we can win right now. I think
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that's the contrasting um, you know, point or inflection point
that they were at right now in the NFL between
how teams are viewing building the rosters to have success. Yeah,
I think that that's just where sports has gone. Is
you don't you have a microwave culture at this point
in sports, meaning to say that we're gonna build through
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the draft. You may be saying, okay, you might have
to wait three years, four years for for something to
come to fruition if it ever happens. But you're waiting, like,
think about this, you may have to wait two to
three or four years for it to possibly work based
(34:23):
off of building through the draft and saying that it's
going to take time. Now that that once was a
a real philosophy, even with coaches. You bring a coach
in third year, you start to see the turnaround fourth year,
you start to really really see the results of what
that coaches is able to do. And generally rule of
(34:44):
thumb is so so that you could build the culture,
you could develop the players, different things like that. That
is not how it works in today's football culture, sports culture, heck,
cultural culture, right and and so looking at draft picks,
it's not as it doesn't seem like it's as sexy
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if you're a team that is trying. First off, you
every team is trying to win now. That's that's the
thing where we're at right now. They're all trying to
win now. So who are you bringing in that is
going to help you win right now? And this year's draft.
I mean, if I'm the Rams, I'm looking at this
year's draft and it's probably O line as my first
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thought process, maybe a receiver. Um, those are probably the
two most most pressing needs for the Rams right now.
But if I'm less need, I feel good about what
I have and I only need a couple of pieces
that are apart. I don't need a franchise guy through
the draft right now. And a lot of times, if
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you look at the success rates of of draft picks
versus unrestricted free agents that come after the draft is over. Man,
there's a ton of guys that didn't get drafted that
are littered in the in the NFL Hall of Fame,
there are a ton of All pros that were late
round draft picks or were undrafted to begin with. A
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lot of times it's because they get the opportunity to develop. Now. Now, granted,
they may have the stress of being released from a
team and going to another team or maybe even another
one after that, until they get to that point. You
think of a guy like James Arison. There's guys that
jump out at you and you think about, man, that
person went through some things during their development time. But
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the bottom line is is that they don't get burnt
by the media or by a coaching staff from being
a high profile guy when they come in that way.
So when you look at high draft picks, high draft
picks there on the clock the minute they're drafted, their
careers are on the clock because of the amount of
scrutiny that's connected to spending that type of draft capital
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into a player. It feels like if you if you're
a team with a quarterback like Kansas City and Green
Bay have multiple first round picks like that feels like
an advantageous situation for them because they have their quarterback
spot answered now they can just build around those guys.
But then you've got the Giants, Daniel Jones, that's up
in the air. The Texans, you think they like Davis Mills,
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but we don't know whether or not that's going to
pan out. The Jets and Zach Wilson, who the hell knows.
The Saints apparently are are committed to Jamis Winston, the Eagles,
the Lions, or the other team. It just it feels
like if this were a better quarterback draft class, there
would be less teams willing to part with those picks,
you know what I mean? Like, if I think the
other thing that's changed to is how it seems are
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viewing the fifth year option. Teams are making quicker decisions,
whether it's a quarterback or any other player for that matter,
on picking up that fifth year option, which they have
to do after their third year, right so before they
play the final year of their deal, they've got to
make that decision. And that didn't used to be a
fully guaranteed commitment it is now. It used to be
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when you picked up the fifth year option. It was
for injury only, So if in that fourth year the
player got injured and they couldn't pass the physical come
the first day of the new league gear heading into
their fifth year, then they would be able to get
that money. It would be guaranteed them. Otherwise, if that
fourth year went crappy, they could just say, hey, we're
dropping this. We're not we're not continuing on with this.
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With this if the player was healthy and able to
pass physical, that's changed. Now you're locked into a five
year deal. If you pick up that that you know,
fifth year option after the third year or at least
it's gonna be on your books, right, So I think
that's changed to where teams are looking at it going okay,
if we're basically saying that there's probably I don't know, five,
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maybe ten prospects that are immediate impact players, potential superstars
right away, and then the rest of the margin of differences,
I don't know the you better believe teams aren't looking
anymore at saying always the first rounder. They're looking at
it saying, well, we have a pick in the top
one hundred because we feel like picks eleven through one hundred.
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That degree of difference as far as the talent ability
and what that player could be is so minimal that
we're not really looking at you know, we're if we're
taking them at eleven versus taking them at thirty five,
like it's kind of a wash because we feel really
good about that player one way or another based on
our grade on him. So I think that's the other
thing you're starting to see. Two is that subtle tweak
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in the way the fifth year option now is handled
by teams has played a role, I think in an
impact too on how some team's view first round draft
picks or if they're coveted or not. It does feel
like so Aidan Hutchinson feels like he's gonna go number
one overall at least that that is some of the speculation.
Who's the first quarterback to goes it willis is Maliquil
is going to be the guy. That's from where the
(39:56):
odds are at right now, he's a slight favorite to
be the first quarterback going. I just wonder how quick
he goes that. That's that's my six. Six seems to
be the spot. Although then that leads you to think
if Atlanta gets aggressive, they get trade up to five
and leap frog Carolina Um. I don't know. It's a
tough spot to being. As I've said before, I don't
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know that you know, teams are falling in love with
any of these guys, and that's usually what you need
to happen. It only takes one team, but they gotta
fall in love with the guy enough to make that
that draft pick. And the trend has been playing them
early and often in the rookie year. And if you're
gonna take a guy in Malik Willis, he might be
one of the more raw at the position. Now, he's
(40:36):
got the most upside and that's why you'd be drafting
him first. You know, take him as the first quarterback.
But that doesn't mean it's gonna work out, you know,
that doesn't mean you've got a guy who's got talent
that is, you know, not comparable to Josh Allen. Only
Josh Allen has his arm, his size match that athleticism. MALIEK.
Willis has a strong arm, not as big um, but
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the accuracy shoes. You know, people talked about Josh Allen,
you can see some of that too with Malik Willis. Um.
You know, pocket presents all those things when the last
time we've seen a rookie quarterback come in and have success. Well,
it depends on what you you know, consider success. I
mean Herbert's the one that right away probably comes to mindy. Yeah,
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I mean Baker Mayfield set the touchdown record that year,
and it felt like it completely turned around the the
hopes of the you know Cleveland Browns, did he not? Yeah?
And and here we are, well right, and and then
and that's the problem. Like Zach Wilson, everyone was optimistic
about him last year, people are still optimistic this year.
Like that's one where I'm going. I don't know, is
he any any different position than Sam Donald was. I
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actually think there was more optimism, or there should have
been more optimist about Sam Donald after his rookie year
than Zack Wilson. Yeah, people keep trying to pump that narrative.
I have no idea why so. I just the hard
thing with all these guys is there's only a few
that can come in and elevate the level of everyone
else out around them. I don't know that any of
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these quarterbacks are that guy, the one guy will say
you this much that it's gonna sneak up and get higher.
And taken higher than people think. As Desmond Ritter, he
checks a lot of boxes, a lot of boxes, and
he's kind of that guy that um almost like Jalen Hurts,
where like every time he's done something he's improved, he
looks more of the part on some of the things
that he needed to improve upon. I just I feel
(42:29):
like that's one to keep an eye on. Like, I
think there's some people who secretly like him a lot
better uh than than maybe they're willing to admit or
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