June 3, 2022 • 42 mins
Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn & LaVar Arrington applaud the Celtics for getting hot from 3 and taking Game 1 in Golden State. Tom Brady has started to make everyone else look bad by playing so well into his 40’s and Tua gains confidence and claps back at all his critics.
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It is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks
on Fox Sports Radio. You know there's people the rave
going on right now. Is everybody talking about the NBA?
A lot of people. I thought it was construction on
the freeway coming into work today. Areas don't leave the
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cheese out. The rats are in town. But the way
we go here on fs are job well done, job
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How do you say thank you? So there's a thank you?
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Someone can speak well, wow, you know what who they
don't pay me to speak? Well, they pay me to
talk my well, uh, I got good news with you?
Then tell me it's a football Friday's Yeah, but we
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must start on a football Friday. Of course, makes all
the sense in the world. This is a gold programming
here with the NBA Finals, and I'm still trying to
figure out how the hell the Golden State Warriors lost
that game last home. I thought it was a rap
and then you look up and it's wait there down
double wait, they're losing my fifteen. What is happening here?
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I've never seen anything like that, I don't recall ever,
And in the NBA or anywhere else where, it goes
from one thing to the next, and the pendulum swings
like that next thing. You know, Golden State's looking around like,
what the hell happened? We did it at home? Though
we lost at home. All the talks has been about
Golden State. Though I mean we I fell victim to it.
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I think maybe some of us fell a victim to it.
Looking at Golden State saying they've been here before, They've
they've had a pretty incredible run with Steph and Clay
and Draymond and Steve Kurrs, their coach and all the
other pieces. We've seen them do it before. They're playing
at home, they should be the favorite. They're up big
in the you know, coming you know, out of the
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third quarter, and you're sitting there saying yourself, like, yeah,
everyone's counting Boston out and then go ahead and play
some drop kick Murphy's because I don't know if it
was more Golden State just going absolutely cold in the
fourth quarter or Boston getting hot, but it was a
combination of everyone, right. I mean, Jalen Brown turned on.
I think that that first night O run, he either
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had a point or an assist off anything they did.
Al Horford the the timeless wonder. It was fifteen years
in the league. It's his first NBA finals. That's pretty cool. Um.
And then Marcus Smart even pitched in a little bit
as well as as Jayson Tatum. He did have a
good shooting night, but that's gonna happen. I mean, this
is a good team. I think we've underrated how good.
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Probably both Boston and Miami were, especially when Miami was healthy,
but just collectively they may not have that one superstar.
Although I think Jalen Brown is starting to make a
case for himself. Ways played that this these playoffs so far,
he was the one that stood out. I mean al
Horford obviously was a catalyst, he did well, but it
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was Jalen Brown that stole the show in that game
last evening. It's interesting because when you're watching the game,
it's like, man, all right, you're feeling like Golden State
has control. But if you look at the box score,
they they they alternated every every quarter. You know, Golden
State lad at the end of the first or outscored
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out say, and then in the second quarter, you know,
Boston outscored and then in the third quarter, here comes
the Golden State. They outscore the Celtics, and then they exploded.
The Celtics exploded on Uh. Well, they they did a
whole lot more offense, like as you mentioned, Brady, and
that that four that fourth quarter, they they they had
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an eruption of sorts of of offense. So and they
played defense. They played pretty good defense. And I don't know,
the one thing I took away from the game last
evening was for Boston to be considered the underdog, for one,
to be considered a team that you know, their young
young stars, unproven so much, and in dangerous waters, unfamiliar
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territory they went into. They went into Golden State in one.
And I think that if Boston wins the series, we'll
look at we'll look back at Game one and we'll say,
you know what, when they went into Boston, or I
went into Golden State and was able to win Game
one in in in hostile territory, that might have been
the catalyst for for the entire series. Curry had six threes.
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The first quarter in Boston was down four, and you're like,
wait what because it made it he like, the talk was, man,
he's never been this hot. It was the best quarter
he's had in an NBA Finals to start with. Uh
and and then you look at at the score and
it's like, well, they're down four and then they're leading
at halftime. That it just it felt like they were
hanging around more so than was being talked about by
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by a lot of people watching the game. I love
this for the NBA though, because I think the narrative
and something that you know, I thought coming into this
was you're either gonna have Steph, who is already a superstar,
he's the best shoot of the game has ever seen.
Either he's going to win this thing and take over,
or you're gonna have one emerge. I just said. I
think Jayson Tatum's player last night was another example of him,
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you know again, bad shooting night. Maybe we'll see what
happens the rest of the series with him, Jalen Brown
probably looked more like that figure. But I think Tatum's
the star. It's just whether he whether or not he
can carry his team and become a superstar. But that's
not really Boston like they were a good team like that.
That's good for the NBA if you have a collective
group like this that's able to more consistently play at
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a high level. I just I think it's remarkable when
you look at a player like Al Horford who makes
an adjustment in his career, Like I don't believe he
came into the league and even early on in his
career was he a good three point shooter? And then
you go back and look at last night. He's hitting
clutch threes down the stretch to help distance their lead
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or even help get back a lead. And I don't
remember that, But like I remember the baseline you know,
baseline jumpers, that that sort of thing, and obviously post
played down low, but I don't remember him being that
good of a three point shooter. But that's something clearly
he's seen the league adapted adjust and it's something that
he's had to be able to do better, probably towards
the midway and end of his career, and he's doing
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it and it's playing a huge part in all of it. Uh.
And it's funny because when he left Boston, he was
there and and they really liked him, and he played
well for them, and they went to conference finals together
and he was a key part of that. And then
he left to go to Philadelphia. It was kind of
on weird terms and it didn't fit. He never fit
with Philly. And the reason Philly brought him in is
because he manned up Joel Embead and played Joel embiad
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as good as anybody in the league. He's always played
good defense and he always matched up against him beats.
So Philly brought him on and the fit wasn't right,
and then he got traded. And almost immediately after Danny
Inge left Boston and Brad Stevens moved from head coach
to front office role, he traded for Al Horford, which
tells me that Brad Stevens wasn't the guy that wanted
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Al Horford gone, or wasn't the reason Al Horford left
in the first place. He loved Al Horford. And when
one of your first move is becoming a first time
GM is to get back a guy who was traded
from you when you were the coach of that team.
That tells me he saw the value the value in
Al Horford, well maybe more so than anybody else did.
And he was awesome last night. And the big, the
big conversation about you know, Finals experience and the Celtics
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have none, and this Warriors team, I don't know, I
know people are gonna try and spend. Like Draymond Green
had this to say afterwards, because you know, he was
talking about just sort of the guys that you wouldn't expect,
Derek White, Horford, Marcus Smart, who were shooting. Um, listen
to this and tell me whether or not you buy
into this or if you think he's trying to find
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a bright spot under all the chaos that took place.
They hit twenty one threes and Marcus Smart, Al Horford
and Derek White combined for fifteen of them. So those
guys are good shooters. But for what fifteen out of
a we're a smart seven right, eight seven and eight
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eight seven and eight yeah, right, yeah from those guys,
you know, so that's actually twenty two for I mean,
I'm not here, but he's right. I mean, he touched
on what Brady said earlier, like you you don't expect
that much production, especially from outside the arc, from those
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those guys, especially a Horfordship. Yeah, as it was mentioned,
so you know, I would say, let's not get carried away.
Let's not get carried away and get the series away.
He lost, And if it happens three more times, that's
a wrap. Well that's four. Yeah. I think what was established, Okay,
what was established last night as this you open up
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in northern California at home, if you're a Golden State,
and I think what was flexed on was that fan
base there in gold It just doesn't really bring the
same type of atmosphere, same type of crowd. I'm just saying,
if you take the Boston fan base, okay, and you
put them up against those nerds and Silicon val I'm
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gonna tell you right now, Boston will wipe the four
with them. Okay, how about them Apples? Uh, Now, you
can't believe. And that's the end of it. I'm just saying,
the Boston fan base, you can wipe the floor with
all of them, folks. Yeah you can't. Now, you can't leave.
I mean that So listen. I mean we're going to
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attack the fan base. Why not? Now you do spend
some time in Napa. How far away is Nappa from
from the Bay Area. Like, let's just say this, I'll
include it as part of it. It's it's it's about
depending on traffic. Could be an hour or hour and
a half, two hours spen on traffic. Now, are you
worried about those nerds maybe taking issue with you calling
them out on the air like this? Uh, first off,
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I'm not um only because I would differentially a wine
country from from Silicon Valley and really you know San
Jose and like those what's of areas? Get up the
Golden State. Um, I'm letting you know right now, my
in laws are from Boston. It's they're they're they're tough folks,
all right. I'm just telling you right now, when this
game goes back, when this series goes back to Boston,
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it'll be a hostile environment, very very different than all
the people are on their phone playing their apps in
between uh you know, Core, in between quarters, in between
plays and stoppage in the game. It'll be in a
completely different sophisticated Yes, they'll be pounded a beer crushing
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it off their head, yelling at Steph Curry, yelling at Clay,
yelling a Draymond. Whatever they want, they they're gonna be
in for it. Like this. To me, if you would
have told me Golden State was gonna win, I say, okay,
Golden State in five or six. But now the Boston's
got the one oh lead. They already stole the game
they needed to in Game one, and they just got
a whole old serve at home in that environment. What
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are the odds right now? So I'm looking at getting
it from draft Kings right now. But I did see
that the Warriors were slight favorites going into the series,
and I think that's flipped. I think Boston is the
slight favorite now, which which makes sense. But I just
I don't I don't know how you pretty up or
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try and make yourself feel better about what happened last night.
And I understand why the Warriors want to find, you know,
let's let's let's find something to you know, to take
in you know that that we can feel good about.
I just I don't know. If you're Golden State. You
look at and according to DraftKings, by the way, Boston
is a minus one ninety so it's completely flips almost
a two to one favorite to win. Yeah, this is
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the advice I'd give you right now, you go in
hammer Golden State, just yes, because they're not going to
shoot as bad as they did last night. I mean,
there is a lot of truth in what Draymond said.
He was awful for from three outside of cur who,
by the way, like he completely fizzled the rest of
the game. He started off six for eight, he finished
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I want to say, like one for six. So whether
it's him, Wiggins, whoever you want to point to, Clay
Thompson wasn't pretty good. He was okay, But I'm just saying,
like that's not gonna hold up like they they won't
shoot his bad. And then to Draymond's point, Boston is
like the shoot is good either, just too. You gotta
keep in mind the the experience of the coaching steps
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as well. They're going to adjust. Is Tatum going to
go three or seventeen? Again, I mean they're going to adjust,
but but but but I don't know that he's gonna shoot,
you know, twelve threes and go six for twelve from
three either, right, Like, like even if you did the
point differential. He's not out of scoring Curry last night.
Let's say shoots a little better than um, you know,
fifty percent from the field, and even at three, which
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is high percentage, he's he's still not outscoring Curiers. It's
not that like, I'm not worried about you know, Tatum
and all that either. I'm just saying collective, as a team,
they'll play better. I just don't think Golden State's gonna
shoot as bad as they did from three. Like that's
the reality of the game and how it's played now.
They went ninety was something like that, Yeah, Boston, Boston
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outshot Golden State from three, which I don't know that
that's going to happen again in the series. Made more
Yeah and uh and then also a Golden State I
going into Game two coming up on Sundays a four
point favorite. So for those of you interested in Golden
States Sunday, where's it being played? Golden State? So the
game was just played last night, Thursday, and they need
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how many days off? Hey, look here's the other thing.
And I'm I'm glad you brought that up. We we
joked about how many days there were in between games
seven for Boston, and yeah, especially you shouldn't get rewarded
if you go seven games, and not only they go
seven games against Miami. They went seven games against Milwaukee
and you gave them that many days in between. That
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had to have helped him. It had to have helped
him at some point dur in that game because they
look like the fresher team towards the end as opposed
to Golden State, which led to that fourth quarter. Why
do they feel like the ratings are going to be
that much bigger on a Sunday as opposed to a Saturday.
As Sunday at what is the eight or nine Eastern time?
I believe what else is on? What are you going
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up against on Saturday? Just because it's a different day
of the week, you're up against sleep at that hour
on Sunday Eastern. I got word figured out. Are they
scared at the NHL? I don't know it's about. I
will throw out my theory that's gonna be. I know
LaVar is gonna shoot holes in it, but a theory
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on something. Be sure to catch live editions of Two
Pros and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LaVar Errington,
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Radio app. So Tom Brady they had kind of a
sit down, a round table, I guess you would call
it after the match, you know whatever that you know,
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miniature golf. Outing was in Las Vegas some about my
statements about Drew Brees. Uh no, that was everywhere else. Yeah,
many people are upset by that, but um Tom Brady
was talking. Yeah, a lot of people were a lot
of Saints fans, and he you know, he was saying
that he's like fifty five percent yes, forty percent no
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when it comes to returning to play for the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers, which is kind of interesting. If you're just
doing the math, you would assume that if he's coming back,
he's gonna be coming all the way back. But he
went on to say and just talk about the commitment
to it that you know, he looks at it and says,
at this age, with everything else going on, once he
makes a commitment to do it, it's kind of one
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of those Okay, here we go and he's kind of
ramping up for it. We know the end is near,
but I think there was some thought that based on
the contract and and you know, reworking it in Tampa,
that potentially he could go somewhere else after this. It
kind of feels more so like this could be at it.
If he wins a super Bowl in Tampa, I feel
like this will be Tom Brady's final season. I don't.
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I mean, look, he's the greatest of all time. There's
no dispute, there's no argument. In my mind. Um, I'm
not sure what else there is for him to, you know,
keep striving for playing for Um, maybe there's something in
his mind. Maybe it's just the age of forty five,
which he'll be this year, if I'm not mistaken. Um,
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I'm not sure what it is at this point. You know,
maybe it's the fear of what's next and moving on.
I mean, he's literally played so long, so long he
makes everyone else look really bad, but he makes he
he really does, like aside from everything else, he's accomplished,
and he's a good looking dude and all that stuff,
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he just makes everyone else look really bad. I mean
Aaron Rodgers, for example, talked about something very similar in
regards to retirement, and you're look at and go, well,
he's not even forty, yet he's got plenty more good
years ahead of him. It's like, well, no, dude, that's
not how this works. Most guys shut it down mid
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late thirties and they're not playing at an m v
P level like Rogers has. But because of Brady playing
at such a high level in his mid forties, we
now look at everyone else, We're like, oh, that guy stinks.
He can't. I mean, forget the standpoint that like playing
professional football as a career is like the point one
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percent point oh one person whatever it is of like
people in America, people in the world. However, you want
to look at it, like, forget that point. But then
to do what he's done or they've done, it's even
a smaller fraction of it. And yet people now will
shame someone because they're not playing at an m v
P level into their forties because of Tom Brady. So um,
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I don't know if this is it or not, but
I think it would be in the best cinch for
stuff every single football player in the history of the
NFL moving forward if he shut it down at some
point because he's making everyone looks so bad right now,
I think he's done a tremendous job of maintaining the
entertainment value that's connected to this point of his career,
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because again, everything has been spun so and in in
a way so positively. You know, he's not come under
any type of scrutiny, no real scrutiny. He hasn't. There's
nothing really connected to Tom Brady other than really happy
feelings and and to come out of the scenario that
you've come out of where it was up for debate
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as to whether he was a system made quarterback or
if he was just great, Like he's great on his own,
He's he's great by himself. There's a lot of different
ways his career um story could have could have been
altered once he left New England. And he is still
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front of mine. He is still admired and revered. He
is still accomplishing and achieving. And to say that is
this is last year if he wins the Super Bowl, Like,
can you understand how how complex that is to even
be able to say that and it matter and means
something like that's crazy. I think I don't even think
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the discussion is is he the greatest football player of
all time? I think he's past Jordan's. I think what
Tom Brady has done has surpassed Michael Jordan's. And I
mean that because like you can, you could do whatever.
I mean he's got He's got if we just want
to do championships, He's got more championships in Jordan. You
could say, well, Jordan never lost, all right, that's fine.
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Tom Brady's got three Hall of Fame careers. Jordan left
and came back and we get all that. Tom Brady's
got three Hall of Fame careers here, Like I just
I don't think it's not only that, though it's getting
there by the way. I don't knock a guy for
getting to it, but not only that. It's the way
you like, here's the reason why I don't think anybody
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measures up to Michael Jordan's and NBA and that that's
that's that goes over to Bout to the Lebron James lovers.
It's the way it's done that has so much to
me as a former athlete. It has so much more
to do with it than than just getting done. You
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could do you could win as much as Michael Jordan
has won, but how did you do it? Like? What
are the awards that are connected to it? What was
the style points connected to it? How did he make
you feel? Tom Brady makes you get that feeling that
you you got when you watch Michael Jordan play He's
Much He's Must see TV, Michael Jordan's Tom Brady. They're
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in the same type of conversation because it's like the style,
the charisma, the things that are connecting people may be
sitting there like man Lebron is the same way. You
would think that Lebron is the same way unless you
were able to live through the era of watching Michael
Jordan's and then you would realize that no one has
really everybody really out to me outside of Kobe Bryant.
Everybody kind of pels in comparison in terms of style
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points of the way that they went about their business,
in the way that they won. But keeping it on
Tom Brady, he is one of those guys that his
style points they truly count like like the only person
that I had ever compared to Joe Montana because his
style point meter was on high too, and the way
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he won games and the things that he did and
the story is connected to it. There's John Candy in
the in the stands eating popcorn? Is that John Candy
And we're gonna drive down here and we're gonna win
this game, and it's the super Bowl and it's the
biggest throw and Joe Montana is super cool and all like,
it's the style points and the only person that was
ever really comparable in conversation period period read you did
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not put a name next to Joe Montana's name till
Tom Brady and and and and to that point he
is and and listen, this is the homie, like Joe
Montana is the homie. He has basically erased and rewritten
how we're even supposed to look at someone like Joe
Montana because of how much he's accomplished. So, I mean,
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it definitely would be a conversation between him and Michael
Jordan's or if he's surpassed him or not, it's a conversation. Well, look,
I think in that regard not to bring back up
Lebron because I'm I'm with you. I mean, look, I'm
the same class as Lebron. I'm I'm an Ohio guy.
I went out of my way to watch Lebron. Um
used to playing a basketball terms we were young against him.
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So there's there's certain things that like I'm obviously a
huge fan and you gotta be. You know, we talked
about him being a billionaire. Like what he's accomplished is
it's it's almost unthinkable. It really is. One of the
things that I think Com and Lebron have done though,
is has been able to showcase this sustain success over
a period of time. Like Lebron's not gonna have as
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many championships as Jordan's probably, but damn man, he's been
there a lot, Like he's been to the championships a lot,
and there's something to be said for that, regardless of
how he went about doing it, because he has a
different player. You know, I think as a player, he's
always been probably more Magic Johnson then you know he was,
you know, like Michael Jordan, Kobe was was more Jordan's.
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Jason Tatum might be you know not I'm not saying
and put him in the same breath as as Jordan's,
but you know, he's trying to model his game after
Kobe and at in times and elements you see that. Um,
it's just it's different. But what Tom Brady did and
and what Lebron James has done is they now looking
at and you say, now the argument is over like
their entire body of work and and the level of
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which they've played even late in their career, which not
saying that Joe Montana didn't play well when he was
with the Kansas City Chiefs, but you know, he wasn't
getting too championships at that point, um, and so that
that's kind of changed their narrative I think a little
bit too. But that's gonna come with athletes being able
to play deeper into the thirties or even forties in
the case it's Tom Brady, right with sports, sports science
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and technology and nutrition all this stuff. But I just
going back to Tom Brady, I don't know what else
he has to prove and and and that's what That's
what I think is also the really fascinating thing to
me about it is I think most most people on
the outside, what they don't understand is they think it's
about the money, the championships, all that stuff, everything that
comes with it. It's really not. When you love what
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you do, you're excited about getting up every day, you
obsess over those feelings that you get from the preparation
and the work, from that little competitions that you have
in the course of practice, from the competitions that you
have with yourself. No one else like Tom Brady is.
There's no one else with him, Like in his mind,
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whatever it is that he's still out there competing against
or trying accomplish, that's all he cares about because you
get one life, one shot at doing it. And and
that's what I think is fascinating because at this point,
that's all it can be. Like, it can't be any
there can't be any of the reason why he's still
be playing at this point because he's literally done it, all,
proved it, all, accomplished it all. Be sure to catch
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Heart Radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your
podcast from. So to a tock of Iloa. From all accounts,
very nice, very kind person, comes from a good family.
U has heard a lot of noise, a lot of conversations,
a lot of people making fun of him, a lot
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of people talking about his arm strength, you name it.
He's finally had enough. Here was the Dolphins quarterback yesterday,
responding to some of the rumors on social media. You know,
for me, it's just zoned that out. I mean we
come out to practice. Everyone else Twitter warriors, you know,
keyboard warriors, whatever you want to call them. You know
they're not out here practicing with us, working hard. So uh,
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I don't know if you guys recorded that last one
to Tyreek, but I don't know about you, but that
looks like money. There he is there, he is finally
stepping up, finally finally say no to all you haters
out there. LaVar criticizing, criticizing to it like that he
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steps up to the plate and he shouts, all you
guys down, damn right, I'm certainly who I mean, I
gotta blame somebody. Yeah, somebody here. If you saw that
last past to read, you know you know that that's
gonna get real in Miami. But I mean, all seriousness,
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I'm glad that he's he because it seems like he's
the type of guy if you've met him, he's such
a nice person. The family is so nice and and
generally speaking, he's probably going to take a higher road
on on situations like this. But you know what, set
a tone. They went out, they spent money, They brought
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in a game changer and and Hill to to go
with him. Uh, set a tone, let him know like
this is this is how you feel, and you don't
have to go too far. I like he didn't go
too far. He wasn't disrespectful or anything like that. It
was it was almost in a way, it was very
Russell Russell Wilson ish, like if if if I'm being honest,
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it's kind of what it would seem like he would
say in a situation or scenario of being interviewed that way. So,
I mean, I like what he did, and I honestly
I like the fact that he's setting a tone and
his teammates are able to see that he's setting a
tone because sometimes whether you want to be that person
or not, the leadership the leadership role calls for you
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to to give a little bit of confidence and some
some public you know, addressing of things that may be
a critique or criticism of what you or the team
may have going on. I think it's such a unique
spot that he's in UM only in the sense that,
like for a lot of people out there, they probably
don't understand like the psyche of guys when you get
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to the NFL UM you have to understand. I mean,
these these guys have been applauded and praised from you know,
probably from junior high in the high school, high school
to college college the NFL. I mean, for example, I
remember going and working under under armour camp and two
it was supposed to be there. Now, Trevor Lawrence was there,
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and there's a few of the mac Jones was there,
a few other guys, and you could see at a
very very early age there in high school, these kids
were gonna have the tools already had the tools necessary
to be able to make it not only in college,
but they're gonna have a shot in the NFL. Like
you could see that in high school. And all I
remember from that day outside of Trevor Lawrence and Matt
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Jones competitiveness and accuracy and all that, what really stood
out was everyone kept talking about toa They're like, no, no no, no,
you have to understand, like two ways it is from Y.
He wasn't able to make it out to this, but
you should see this kid throw a football, like you
should see how quick is releases. You know, the way
he's able to throw these different touch passes, shape throws,
all this, you know, great feat and so like. That
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was already the rep about him back then, and he
did nothing, in my opinion, to hurt or tarnish his
reputation when he got to Alabama. The biggest issue a
lot of people felt about him was injury history. Got
banged up a lot. That's not on him. The dude
is an absolute competitor, came back to play before he
really even should have, I believe against L s U
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during their run. And then he gets drafted and he
gets taken by the Dolphins, And honestly, I kind of
looked back on some of the perception of tour right now,
and I think a lot of it probably should go
on the shoulders of Brian Flores for the way in
which he managed to h like he not only did
he one not give him really the opportunity to either
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showcase that he's got some glaringly bad miss you know,
issues or things needs to work on, but he also
didn't give him a chance that even if he was
struggling at times to work back from some of that.
And the offense too, was one in which were that
was more kind of a little by design, Like, really, now,
moving forward with this coaching staff, with what Mike McDaniel
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wants to do, I don't think they're gonna be dinking
and dunking. They're gonna be taking shots, they're gonna be
running the football. They're gonna be doing things that you know,
are gonna showcase whether or not he's able to hit
a lot of these deep balls. So I just I
kind of hope people understand like a lot of how
we perceived to uh was really a byproduct. If I
think the situation he walked into in Miami and the
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situation he was dealt because if you go and look
at him, he's an accurate quarterback. He's a good decision
maker based on any metric you want to look at.
And it's not like he's put them in positions where
they couldn't win football games. Unfortunately, his head coach would
take him out of those positions to go win those games.
So I just I'm rooming for the kid. I think
he's a tremendous young man. How he handles a lot
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of the the outside noise as we'll call it um.
But it's a It is a big season for him,
There's no doubt about it. And is it fair to
say that this is probably the healthiest he's been since
maybe high school, because was he ever really healthy at Alabama?
You remember he had the ankles surgeries, the procedures where
they did that, And to your point, yeah, the L.
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S U game that he came back from, it was
one of the great games that year, and man, he
was going throw for throw with Joe Burrow and not
even close to and L. S U won that game.
But you came away from that going man to it
looked really good and it was it might have been
the next week or the week after against Mississippi State
where he suffered the hip injury. So it's it's almost
like there's been this and then on top of all that,
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he's in the same draft classes Joe Burrow just went
to a Super Bowl and Justin Herbert who went one
pick after him, and Justin Herbert seems to be, you know,
the next great talent, Allah Josh Allen, etcetera, etcetera. I
think you'd ad to a bit of roster. Yes, totally
totally agree. But and I think both of those guys
went to organizations who said Herbert has had to deal
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already in his young career with a coaching change. Yeah,
he's already had to do it. Um. And to let
me just what I was just gonna say, it's quickly
about saying, you know, Herbert going organization that said he
was the guy. Not really. I mean it took a
doctor to puncture Tyrod Taylor's lung in order to thrust
him in there. Then he started playing there like oh
what were we doing? So let's be real about this.
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If if Tyrod Taylor is along isn't punctured before their
week two games, we might yeah, we might not know.
By the way, how is that still not talked about? More?
Tyrod Taylor was stabbed basically by a doctor, which led
to Justin Justin Herbert becoming NFL sensation. I mean, like
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that is like awful. I want to know what was
the settlement for Tyrod Taylor and the Charger, Like, was
there any sort of hey man, how about we cut
you in. Well, we'll give you partial you know, party,
you know, one percent of own a ship stake. Like
what are we talking about? I mean, that is one
of the stories that I'm just saying, like, how do
you make that right? When a guy gets stabbed in
along by it by a team. I'm gonna finish my point.
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So here's my point, which after that makes it so awkward.
I mean, it was it was that was that was
such an interesting thing. You just did their jonas. That's fine.
You don't just say it's interesting. Say it was a
bad dinna, it was a bad dick. It was anyway,
It's all right, you know. I think the point is
is that you want to have a coach that has
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the confidence in you to be who you who you are,
who you are, right. You always want somebody who believes
in you. And it seems like for now it would
appear that Mike McDaniel is totally bought into two Tua
and and and I'll say this, We've been talking a
lot about Tom Brady during this show. Think about the
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person that you saw in New England versus the person
you've seen and gotten to know and to Tampa Bay.
I almost feel like if we had the Tampa Bay
um Tom Brady in New England, tom Brady is I mean,
is it even possible for him to be a bigger figure,
a more likable figure than even what he was during
his time in New England. It all came down to
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him being in an environment where he was comfortable being
who he was and it allowed for you to see
his his personality. I feel like to a coming out
and speaking publicly is a direct result also a product
of his his return of confidence, not only as I
don't doubt he's ever lost his ability or confidence to play,
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but we all know you know how this works. Que
if you got a coach that you don't feel confident
being who you are, you know, being brave or or
bold about how you feel about certain things, or maybe
taking a a shot at questions that you wouldn't have
took taken a shot at under previous leadership. I mean
that says a lot. If Mike mcdaney, which that's what
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it appears to be, if he is, if if he
is allowing him to garner that or grab and utilize
that confidence that he has and speaking out and speaking up,
that may directly result in better results on the football
field as well. Knowing that that's the belief that you
have from the guy that's calling the plays, that's calling
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the shots on the team. I mean, that's that's a
huge piece of it. I can tell you definitively you
knew when you get a play caller who was confident
in his abilities and what the the objective was and
what he was doing, and when you didn't have one
right like and I think all people can relate to that.
You know, you work for you work in a company,
you work in a business, and you've got someone over
top of you who's giving you marching order us and
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you're like, this dude really doesn't know what he's what
he's doing, Like he has he has no confidence or
he is no understanding of what we're trying to accomplish.
And this isn't the right direction. I'm sure there's plenty
of people who can relate to that, and there's a
lot of athletes that unfortunately have to relate to that
and deal with that on a national stage. Happens all
the time. You know, as much as players quote unquote
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don't work out, get fired, soda coaches, and the only
difference is is they keep resurfacing in the NFL or
either in in other levels because it's a buddy system
and they look out for each other to make sure
they're still all they're still employed. You brought up a
great point, though, and one in which I think it's
really fascinating about Tom Brady's personality and all that. And
by the way, to the Twitter guy who thinks we're
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ball washing tom Brady, uh, he's the greatest of all time.
And if his direct quote was idolizing, like the greatest
cheater of all time or whatever he said, this is
what I want to point out about that statement. He
wasn't a part of spygate. That wasn't Tom Brady. He
happened to play on the team when that was going on.
That doesn't make him guilty of it. It wasn't even
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necessarily something that you know that that the offense was
taken advantage of. It was more with a defense. But
think about that, like because of all the the aura
or whatever you want around Bill Belichick, the England Patriots
and some of the funny business that was maybe going on.
As soon as the thing came out about deflate gate,
like people immediately like, well, it's Tom Brady something illegal.
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It's like, what it could have just been a mistake. Well,
first off, it could have been a mistake by the
equipment manager. Through this long winded report and thorough process
of understanding the ideal gas law, which my god, I
can't believe I spent that much time reading that report
and trying to understand the science behind it. What the
conclusion was was essentially, when you have an inflated ball
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and you take it into an environment that's cold, it
will naturally lose pressure. And when you take a ball
that's inflated, you take it somewhere hot, it will naturally
increase in pressure. There's your simplified ideal gas law. That
was what came from deflate Gate. Stop painting on Tom
Brady thinking that he was cheating. I don't want anyone
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after that. I don't want anyone to me those balls
are perfect car. A car's tire pressure changes when the
light goes on. It's not because you're you're releasing the
pressure from the tires. It's because of the weather impact.
It's just the whole thing was done. It's in Indianapolis,
you know. And can't care less if you think I'm
ball washing him, I'll wash wash the hell out. I
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could care less. I just want to use the point
there's the perception that he's a cheater, and a lot
of what was viewed as cheating came before. He had
nothing to do with that. It wasn't even on him
for that well, and and again to your point, Bill
Belichick's approach to two things have always been confrontational or
divisive or you know, just very very you know, dismissive,
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like is he doing the match if he's still in
New England right now? No, probably not. And that's a
shame because you get to see his personality. I thought
he carried that whole entire broadcast, by the way, with
his commentary outside of him and Chuck, I mean, the
rest was like, all right, let's let's try to bring
a little more to the tap he get an escorted
his suv after the Super Bowl parade. That would have
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never happened in New England. Or he looked like a
wind puppet. Oh, it would have never happened in New England. Yeah,
nebras On, I will I will hold it accountable for that,
bro because okay, um, do we have an update on
how much the Do we have an update on how
much the Chargers? Oh? Tyrod Taylor for stabbing him? Oh? Yes,
(41:26):
Based on my research, the Los Angeles Chargers organization is
worth two point six billion dollars um. So you throughout
that six million dollars? Listen? That works? Man, I could do.
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Then tell me it's a football Friday's Yeah, but we
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must start on a football Friday. Of course, makes all
the sense in the world. This is a gold programming
here with the NBA Finals, and I'm still trying to
figure out how the hell the Golden State Warriors lost
that game last home. I thought it was a rap
and then you look up and it's wait there down
double wait, they're losing my fifteen. What is happening here?
(02:00):
I've never seen anything like that, I don't recall ever,
And in the NBA or anywhere else where, it goes
from one thing to the next, and the pendulum swings
like that next thing. You know, Golden State's looking around like,
what the hell happened? We did it at home? Though
we lost at home. All the talks has been about
Golden State. Though I mean we I fell victim to it.
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I think maybe some of us fell a victim to it.
Looking at Golden State saying they've been here before, They've
they've had a pretty incredible run with Steph and Clay
and Draymond and Steve Kurrs, their coach and all the
other pieces. We've seen them do it before. They're playing
at home, they should be the favorite. They're up big
in the you know, coming you know, out of the
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third quarter, and you're sitting there saying yourself, like, yeah,
everyone's counting Boston out and then go ahead and play
some drop kick Murphy's because I don't know if it
was more Golden State just going absolutely cold in the
fourth quarter or Boston getting hot, but it was a
combination of everyone, right. I mean, Jalen Brown turned on.
I think that that first night O run, he either
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had a point or an assist off anything they did.
Al Horford the the timeless wonder. It was fifteen years
in the league. It's his first NBA finals. That's pretty cool. Um.
And then Marcus Smart even pitched in a little bit
as well as as Jayson Tatum. He did have a
good shooting night, but that's gonna happen. I mean, this
is a good team. I think we've underrated how good.
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Probably both Boston and Miami were, especially when Miami was healthy,
but just collectively they may not have that one superstar.
Although I think Jalen Brown is starting to make a
case for himself. Ways played that this these playoffs so far,
he was the one that stood out. I mean al
Horford obviously was a catalyst, he did well, but it
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was Jalen Brown that stole the show in that game
last evening. It's interesting because when you're watching the game,
it's like, man, all right, you're feeling like Golden State
has control. But if you look at the box score,
they they they alternated every every quarter. You know, Golden
State lad at the end of the first or outscored
(04:05):
out say, and then in the second quarter, you know,
Boston outscored and then in the third quarter, here comes
the Golden State. They outscore the Celtics, and then they exploded.
The Celtics exploded on Uh. Well, they they did a
whole lot more offense, like as you mentioned, Brady, and
that that four that fourth quarter, they they they had
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an eruption of sorts of of offense. So and they
played defense. They played pretty good defense. And I don't know,
the one thing I took away from the game last
evening was for Boston to be considered the underdog, for one,
to be considered a team that you know, their young
young stars, unproven so much, and in dangerous waters, unfamiliar
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territory they went into. They went into Golden State in one.
And I think that if Boston wins the series, we'll
look at we'll look back at Game one and we'll say,
you know what, when they went into Boston, or I
went into Golden State and was able to win Game
one in in in hostile territory, that might have been
the catalyst for for the entire series. Curry had six threes.
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The first quarter in Boston was down four, and you're like,
wait what because it made it he like, the talk was, man,
he's never been this hot. It was the best quarter
he's had in an NBA Finals to start with. Uh
and and then you look at at the score and
it's like, well, they're down four and then they're leading
at halftime. That it just it felt like they were
hanging around more so than was being talked about by
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by a lot of people watching the game. I love
this for the NBA though, because I think the narrative
and something that you know, I thought coming into this
was you're either gonna have Steph, who is already a superstar,
he's the best shoot of the game has ever seen.
Either he's going to win this thing and take over,
or you're gonna have one emerge. I just said. I
think Jayson Tatum's player last night was another example of him,
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you know again, bad shooting night. Maybe we'll see what
happens the rest of the series with him, Jalen Brown
probably looked more like that figure. But I think Tatum's
the star. It's just whether he whether or not he
can carry his team and become a superstar. But that's
not really Boston like they were a good team like that.
That's good for the NBA if you have a collective
group like this that's able to more consistently play at
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a high level. I just I think it's remarkable when
you look at a player like Al Horford who makes
an adjustment in his career, Like I don't believe he
came into the league and even early on in his
career was he a good three point shooter? And then
you go back and look at last night. He's hitting
clutch threes down the stretch to help distance their lead
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or even help get back a lead. And I don't
remember that, But like I remember the baseline you know,
baseline jumpers, that that sort of thing, and obviously post
played down low, but I don't remember him being that
good of a three point shooter. But that's something clearly
he's seen the league adapted adjust and it's something that
he's had to be able to do better, probably towards
the midway and end of his career, and he's doing
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it and it's playing a huge part in all of it. Uh.
And it's funny because when he left Boston, he was
there and and they really liked him, and he played
well for them, and they went to conference finals together
and he was a key part of that. And then
he left to go to Philadelphia. It was kind of
on weird terms and it didn't fit. He never fit
with Philly. And the reason Philly brought him in is
because he manned up Joel Embead and played Joel embiad
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as good as anybody in the league. He's always played
good defense and he always matched up against him beats.
So Philly brought him on and the fit wasn't right,
and then he got traded. And almost immediately after Danny
Inge left Boston and Brad Stevens moved from head coach
to front office role, he traded for Al Horford, which
tells me that Brad Stevens wasn't the guy that wanted
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Al Horford gone, or wasn't the reason Al Horford left
in the first place. He loved Al Horford. And when
one of your first move is becoming a first time
GM is to get back a guy who was traded
from you when you were the coach of that team.
That tells me he saw the value the value in
Al Horford, well maybe more so than anybody else did.
And he was awesome last night. And the big, the
big conversation about you know, Finals experience and the Celtics
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have none, and this Warriors team, I don't know, I
know people are gonna try and spend. Like Draymond Green
had this to say afterwards, because you know, he was
talking about just sort of the guys that you wouldn't expect,
Derek White, Horford, Marcus Smart, who were shooting. Um, listen
to this and tell me whether or not you buy
into this or if you think he's trying to find
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a bright spot under all the chaos that took place.
They hit twenty one threes and Marcus Smart, Al Horford
and Derek White combined for fifteen of them. So those
guys are good shooters. But for what fifteen out of
a we're a smart seven right, eight seven and eight
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eight seven and eight yeah, right, yeah from those guys,
you know, so that's actually twenty two for I mean,
I'm not here, but he's right. I mean, he touched
on what Brady said earlier, like you you don't expect
that much production, especially from outside the arc, from those
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those guys, especially a Horfordship. Yeah, as it was mentioned,
so you know, I would say, let's not get carried away.
Let's not get carried away and get the series away.
He lost, And if it happens three more times, that's
a wrap. Well that's four. Yeah. I think what was established, Okay,
what was established last night as this you open up
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in northern California at home, if you're a Golden State,
and I think what was flexed on was that fan
base there in gold It just doesn't really bring the
same type of atmosphere, same type of crowd. I'm just saying,
if you take the Boston fan base, okay, and you
put them up against those nerds and Silicon val I'm
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gonna tell you right now, Boston will wipe the four
with them. Okay, how about them Apples? Uh, Now, you
can't believe. And that's the end of it. I'm just saying,
the Boston fan base, you can wipe the floor with
all of them, folks. Yeah you can't. Now, you can't leave.
I mean that So listen. I mean we're going to
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attack the fan base. Why not? Now you do spend
some time in Napa. How far away is Nappa from
from the Bay Area. Like, let's just say this, I'll
include it as part of it. It's it's it's about
depending on traffic. Could be an hour or hour and
a half, two hours spen on traffic. Now, are you
worried about those nerds maybe taking issue with you calling
them out on the air like this? Uh, first off,
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I'm not um only because I would differentially a wine
country from from Silicon Valley and really you know San
Jose and like those what's of areas? Get up the
Golden State. Um, I'm letting you know right now, my
in laws are from Boston. It's they're they're they're tough folks,
all right. I'm just telling you right now, when this
game goes back, when this series goes back to Boston,
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it'll be a hostile environment, very very different than all
the people are on their phone playing their apps in
between uh you know, Core, in between quarters, in between
plays and stoppage in the game. It'll be in a
completely different sophisticated Yes, they'll be pounded a beer crushing
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it off their head, yelling at Steph Curry, yelling at Clay,
yelling a Draymond. Whatever they want, they they're gonna be
in for it. Like this. To me, if you would
have told me Golden State was gonna win, I say, okay,
Golden State in five or six. But now the Boston's
got the one oh lead. They already stole the game
they needed to in Game one, and they just got
a whole old serve at home in that environment. What
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are the odds right now? So I'm looking at getting
it from draft Kings right now. But I did see
that the Warriors were slight favorites going into the series,
and I think that's flipped. I think Boston is the
slight favorite now, which which makes sense. But I just
I don't I don't know how you pretty up or
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try and make yourself feel better about what happened last night.
And I understand why the Warriors want to find, you know,
let's let's let's find something to you know, to take
in you know that that we can feel good about.
I just I don't know. If you're Golden State. You
look at and according to DraftKings, by the way, Boston
is a minus one ninety so it's completely flips almost
a two to one favorite to win. Yeah, this is
(12:45):
the advice I'd give you right now, you go in
hammer Golden State, just yes, because they're not going to
shoot as bad as they did last night. I mean,
there is a lot of truth in what Draymond said.
He was awful for from three outside of cur who,
by the way, like he completely fizzled the rest of
the game. He started off six for eight, he finished
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I want to say, like one for six. So whether
it's him, Wiggins, whoever you want to point to, Clay
Thompson wasn't pretty good. He was okay, But I'm just saying,
like that's not gonna hold up like they they won't
shoot his bad. And then to Draymond's point, Boston is
like the shoot is good either, just too. You gotta
keep in mind the the experience of the coaching steps
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as well. They're going to adjust. Is Tatum going to
go three or seventeen? Again, I mean they're going to adjust,
but but but but I don't know that he's gonna shoot,
you know, twelve threes and go six for twelve from
three either, right, Like, like even if you did the
point differential. He's not out of scoring Curry last night.
Let's say shoots a little better than um, you know,
fifty percent from the field, and even at three, which
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is high percentage, he's he's still not outscoring Curiers. It's
not that like, I'm not worried about you know, Tatum
and all that either. I'm just saying collective, as a team,
they'll play better. I just don't think Golden State's gonna
shoot as bad as they did from three. Like that's
the reality of the game and how it's played now.
They went ninety was something like that, Yeah, Boston, Boston
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outshot Golden State from three, which I don't know that
that's going to happen again in the series. Made more
Yeah and uh and then also a Golden State I
going into Game two coming up on Sundays a four
point favorite. So for those of you interested in Golden
States Sunday, where's it being played? Golden State? So the
game was just played last night, Thursday, and they need
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how many days off? Hey, look here's the other thing.
And I'm I'm glad you brought that up. We we
joked about how many days there were in between games
seven for Boston, and yeah, especially you shouldn't get rewarded
if you go seven games, and not only they go
seven games against Miami. They went seven games against Milwaukee
and you gave them that many days in between. That
(14:56):
had to have helped him. It had to have helped
him at some point dur in that game because they
look like the fresher team towards the end as opposed
to Golden State, which led to that fourth quarter. Why
do they feel like the ratings are going to be
that much bigger on a Sunday as opposed to a Saturday.
As Sunday at what is the eight or nine Eastern time?
I believe what else is on? What are you going
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up against on Saturday? Just because it's a different day
of the week, you're up against sleep at that hour
on Sunday Eastern. I got word figured out. Are they
scared at the NHL? I don't know it's about. I
will throw out my theory that's gonna be. I know
LaVar is gonna shoot holes in it, but a theory
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on something. Be sure to catch live editions of Two
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Radio app. So Tom Brady they had kind of a
sit down, a round table, I guess you would call
it after the match, you know whatever that you know,
(16:03):
miniature golf. Outing was in Las Vegas some about my
statements about Drew Brees. Uh no, that was everywhere else. Yeah,
many people are upset by that, but um Tom Brady
was talking. Yeah, a lot of people were a lot
of Saints fans, and he you know, he was saying
that he's like fifty five percent yes, forty percent no
(16:25):
when it comes to returning to play for the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers, which is kind of interesting. If you're just
doing the math, you would assume that if he's coming back,
he's gonna be coming all the way back. But he
went on to say and just talk about the commitment
to it that you know, he looks at it and says,
at this age, with everything else going on, once he
makes a commitment to do it, it's kind of one
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of those Okay, here we go and he's kind of
ramping up for it. We know the end is near,
but I think there was some thought that based on
the contract and and you know, reworking it in Tampa,
that potentially he could go somewhere else after this. It
kind of feels more so like this could be at it.
If he wins a super Bowl in Tampa, I feel
like this will be Tom Brady's final season. I don't.
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I mean, look, he's the greatest of all time. There's
no dispute, there's no argument. In my mind. Um, I'm
not sure what else there is for him to, you know,
keep striving for playing for Um, maybe there's something in
his mind. Maybe it's just the age of forty five,
which he'll be this year, if I'm not mistaken. Um,
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I'm not sure what it is at this point. You know,
maybe it's the fear of what's next and moving on.
I mean, he's literally played so long, so long he
makes everyone else look really bad, but he makes he
he really does, like aside from everything else, he's accomplished,
and he's a good looking dude and all that stuff,
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he just makes everyone else look really bad. I mean
Aaron Rodgers, for example, talked about something very similar in
regards to retirement, and you're look at and go, well,
he's not even forty, yet he's got plenty more good
years ahead of him. It's like, well, no, dude, that's
not how this works. Most guys shut it down mid
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late thirties and they're not playing at an m v
P level like Rogers has. But because of Brady playing
at such a high level in his mid forties, we
now look at everyone else, We're like, oh, that guy stinks.
He can't. I mean, forget the standpoint that like playing
professional football as a career is like the point one
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percent point oh one person whatever it is of like
people in America, people in the world. However, you want
to look at it, like, forget that point. But then
to do what he's done or they've done, it's even
a smaller fraction of it. And yet people now will
shame someone because they're not playing at an m v
P level into their forties because of Tom Brady. So um,
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I don't know if this is it or not, but
I think it would be in the best cinch for
stuff every single football player in the history of the
NFL moving forward if he shut it down at some
point because he's making everyone looks so bad right now,
I think he's done a tremendous job of maintaining the
entertainment value that's connected to this point of his career,
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because again, everything has been spun so and in in
a way so positively. You know, he's not come under
any type of scrutiny, no real scrutiny. He hasn't. There's
nothing really connected to Tom Brady other than really happy
feelings and and to come out of the scenario that
you've come out of where it was up for debate
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as to whether he was a system made quarterback or
if he was just great, Like he's great on his own,
He's he's great by himself. There's a lot of different
ways his career um story could have could have been
altered once he left New England. And he is still
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front of mine. He is still admired and revered. He
is still accomplishing and achieving. And to say that is
this is last year if he wins the Super Bowl, Like,
can you understand how how complex that is to even
be able to say that and it matter and means
something like that's crazy. I think I don't even think
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the discussion is is he the greatest football player of
all time? I think he's past Jordan's. I think what
Tom Brady has done has surpassed Michael Jordan's. And I
mean that because like you can, you could do whatever.
I mean he's got He's got if we just want
to do championships, He's got more championships in Jordan. You
could say, well, Jordan never lost, all right, that's fine.
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Tom Brady's got three Hall of Fame careers. Jordan left
and came back and we get all that. Tom Brady's
got three Hall of Fame careers here, Like I just
I don't think it's not only that, though it's getting
there by the way. I don't knock a guy for
getting to it, but not only that. It's the way
you like, here's the reason why I don't think anybody
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measures up to Michael Jordan's and NBA and that that's
that's that goes over to Bout to the Lebron James lovers.
It's the way it's done that has so much to
me as a former athlete. It has so much more
to do with it than than just getting done. You
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could do you could win as much as Michael Jordan
has won, but how did you do it? Like? What
are the awards that are connected to it? What was
the style points connected to it? How did he make
you feel? Tom Brady makes you get that feeling that
you you got when you watch Michael Jordan play He's
Much He's Must see TV, Michael Jordan's Tom Brady. They're
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in the same type of conversation because it's like the style,
the charisma, the things that are connecting people may be
sitting there like man Lebron is the same way. You
would think that Lebron is the same way unless you
were able to live through the era of watching Michael
Jordan's and then you would realize that no one has
really everybody really out to me outside of Kobe Bryant.
Everybody kind of pels in comparison in terms of style
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points of the way that they went about their business,
in the way that they won. But keeping it on
Tom Brady, he is one of those guys that his
style points they truly count like like the only person
that I had ever compared to Joe Montana because his
style point meter was on high too, and the way
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he won games and the things that he did and
the story is connected to it. There's John Candy in
the in the stands eating popcorn? Is that John Candy
And we're gonna drive down here and we're gonna win
this game, and it's the super Bowl and it's the
biggest throw and Joe Montana is super cool and all like,
it's the style points and the only person that was
ever really comparable in conversation period period read you did
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not put a name next to Joe Montana's name till
Tom Brady and and and and to that point he
is and and listen, this is the homie, like Joe
Montana is the homie. He has basically erased and rewritten
how we're even supposed to look at someone like Joe
Montana because of how much he's accomplished. So, I mean,
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it definitely would be a conversation between him and Michael
Jordan's or if he's surpassed him or not, it's a conversation. Well, look,
I think in that regard not to bring back up
Lebron because I'm I'm with you. I mean, look, I'm
the same class as Lebron. I'm I'm an Ohio guy.
I went out of my way to watch Lebron. Um
used to playing a basketball terms we were young against him.
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So there's there's certain things that like I'm obviously a
huge fan and you gotta be. You know, we talked
about him being a billionaire. Like what he's accomplished is
it's it's almost unthinkable. It really is. One of the
things that I think Com and Lebron have done though,
is has been able to showcase this sustain success over
a period of time. Like Lebron's not gonna have as
(24:08):
many championships as Jordan's probably, but damn man, he's been
there a lot, Like he's been to the championships a lot,
and there's something to be said for that, regardless of
how he went about doing it, because he has a
different player. You know, I think as a player, he's
always been probably more Magic Johnson then you know he was,
you know, like Michael Jordan, Kobe was was more Jordan's.
(24:28):
Jason Tatum might be you know not I'm not saying
and put him in the same breath as as Jordan's,
but you know, he's trying to model his game after
Kobe and at in times and elements you see that. Um,
it's just it's different. But what Tom Brady did and
and what Lebron James has done is they now looking
at and you say, now the argument is over like
their entire body of work and and the level of
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which they've played even late in their career, which not
saying that Joe Montana didn't play well when he was
with the Kansas City Chiefs, but you know, he wasn't
getting too championships at that point, um, and so that
that's kind of changed their narrative I think a little
bit too. But that's gonna come with athletes being able
to play deeper into the thirties or even forties in
the case it's Tom Brady, right with sports, sports science
(25:11):
and technology and nutrition all this stuff. But I just
going back to Tom Brady, I don't know what else
he has to prove and and and that's what That's
what I think is also the really fascinating thing to
me about it is I think most most people on
the outside, what they don't understand is they think it's
about the money, the championships, all that stuff, everything that
comes with it. It's really not. When you love what
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you do, you're excited about getting up every day, you
obsess over those feelings that you get from the preparation
and the work, from that little competitions that you have
in the course of practice, from the competitions that you
have with yourself. No one else like Tom Brady is.
There's no one else with him, Like in his mind,
(25:56):
whatever it is that he's still out there competing against
or trying accomplish, that's all he cares about because you
get one life, one shot at doing it. And and
that's what I think is fascinating because at this point,
that's all it can be. Like, it can't be any
there can't be any of the reason why he's still
be playing at this point because he's literally done it, all,
proved it, all, accomplished it all. Be sure to catch
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Heart Radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your
podcast from. So to a tock of Iloa. From all accounts,
very nice, very kind person, comes from a good family.
U has heard a lot of noise, a lot of conversations,
a lot of people making fun of him, a lot
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of people talking about his arm strength, you name it.
He's finally had enough. Here was the Dolphins quarterback yesterday,
responding to some of the rumors on social media. You know,
for me, it's just zoned that out. I mean we
come out to practice. Everyone else Twitter warriors, you know,
keyboard warriors, whatever you want to call them. You know
they're not out here practicing with us, working hard. So uh,
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I don't know if you guys recorded that last one
to Tyreek, but I don't know about you, but that
looks like money. There he is there, he is finally
stepping up, finally finally say no to all you haters
out there. LaVar criticizing, criticizing to it like that he
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steps up to the plate and he shouts, all you
guys down, damn right, I'm certainly who I mean, I
gotta blame somebody. Yeah, somebody here. If you saw that
last past to read, you know you know that that's
gonna get real in Miami. But I mean, all seriousness,
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I'm glad that he's he because it seems like he's
the type of guy if you've met him, he's such
a nice person. The family is so nice and and
generally speaking, he's probably going to take a higher road
on on situations like this. But you know what, set
a tone. They went out, they spent money, They brought
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in a game changer and and Hill to to go
with him. Uh, set a tone, let him know like
this is this is how you feel, and you don't
have to go too far. I like he didn't go
too far. He wasn't disrespectful or anything like that. It
was it was almost in a way, it was very
Russell Russell Wilson ish, like if if if I'm being honest,
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it's kind of what it would seem like he would
say in a situation or scenario of being interviewed that way. So,
I mean, I like what he did, and I honestly
I like the fact that he's setting a tone and
his teammates are able to see that he's setting a
tone because sometimes whether you want to be that person
or not, the leadership the leadership role calls for you
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to to give a little bit of confidence and some
some public you know, addressing of things that may be
a critique or criticism of what you or the team
may have going on. I think it's such a unique
spot that he's in UM only in the sense that,
like for a lot of people out there, they probably
don't understand like the psyche of guys when you get
(29:54):
to the NFL UM you have to understand. I mean,
these these guys have been applauded and praised from you know,
probably from junior high in the high school, high school
to college college the NFL. I mean, for example, I
remember going and working under under armour camp and two
it was supposed to be there. Now, Trevor Lawrence was there,
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and there's a few of the mac Jones was there,
a few other guys, and you could see at a
very very early age there in high school, these kids
were gonna have the tools already had the tools necessary
to be able to make it not only in college,
but they're gonna have a shot in the NFL. Like
you could see that in high school. And all I
remember from that day outside of Trevor Lawrence and Matt
(30:35):
Jones competitiveness and accuracy and all that, what really stood
out was everyone kept talking about toa They're like, no, no no, no,
you have to understand, like two ways it is from Y.
He wasn't able to make it out to this, but
you should see this kid throw a football, like you
should see how quick is releases. You know, the way
he's able to throw these different touch passes, shape throws,
all this, you know, great feat and so like. That
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was already the rep about him back then, and he
did nothing, in my opinion, to hurt or tarnish his
reputation when he got to Alabama. The biggest issue a
lot of people felt about him was injury history. Got
banged up a lot. That's not on him. The dude
is an absolute competitor, came back to play before he
really even should have, I believe against L s U
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during their run. And then he gets drafted and he
gets taken by the Dolphins, And honestly, I kind of
looked back on some of the perception of tour right now,
and I think a lot of it probably should go
on the shoulders of Brian Flores for the way in
which he managed to h like he not only did
he one not give him really the opportunity to either
(31:43):
showcase that he's got some glaringly bad miss you know,
issues or things needs to work on, but he also
didn't give him a chance that even if he was
struggling at times to work back from some of that.
And the offense too, was one in which were that
was more kind of a little by design, Like, really, now,
moving forward with this coaching staff, with what Mike McDaniel
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wants to do, I don't think they're gonna be dinking
and dunking. They're gonna be taking shots, they're gonna be
running the football. They're gonna be doing things that you know,
are gonna showcase whether or not he's able to hit
a lot of these deep balls. So I just I
kind of hope people understand like a lot of how
we perceived to uh was really a byproduct. If I
think the situation he walked into in Miami and the
(32:28):
situation he was dealt because if you go and look
at him, he's an accurate quarterback. He's a good decision
maker based on any metric you want to look at.
And it's not like he's put them in positions where
they couldn't win football games. Unfortunately, his head coach would
take him out of those positions to go win those games.
So I just I'm rooming for the kid. I think
he's a tremendous young man. How he handles a lot
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of the the outside noise as we'll call it um.
But it's a It is a big season for him,
There's no doubt about it. And is it fair to
say that this is probably the healthiest he's been since
maybe high school, because was he ever really healthy at Alabama?
You remember he had the ankles surgeries, the procedures where
they did that, And to your point, yeah, the L.
(33:12):
S U game that he came back from, it was
one of the great games that year, and man, he
was going throw for throw with Joe Burrow and not
even close to and L. S U won that game.
But you came away from that going man to it
looked really good and it was it might have been
the next week or the week after against Mississippi State
where he suffered the hip injury. So it's it's almost
like there's been this and then on top of all that,
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he's in the same draft classes Joe Burrow just went
to a Super Bowl and Justin Herbert who went one
pick after him, and Justin Herbert seems to be, you know,
the next great talent, Allah Josh Allen, etcetera, etcetera. I
think you'd ad to a bit of roster. Yes, totally
totally agree. But and I think both of those guys
went to organizations who said Herbert has had to deal
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already in his young career with a coaching change. Yeah,
he's already had to do it. Um. And to let
me just what I was just gonna say, it's quickly
about saying, you know, Herbert going organization that said he
was the guy. Not really. I mean it took a
doctor to puncture Tyrod Taylor's lung in order to thrust
him in there. Then he started playing there like oh
what were we doing? So let's be real about this.
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If if Tyrod Taylor is along isn't punctured before their
week two games, we might yeah, we might not know.
By the way, how is that still not talked about? More?
Tyrod Taylor was stabbed basically by a doctor, which led
to Justin Justin Herbert becoming NFL sensation. I mean, like
(34:47):
that is like awful. I want to know what was
the settlement for Tyrod Taylor and the Charger, Like, was
there any sort of hey man, how about we cut
you in. Well, we'll give you partial you know, party,
you know, one percent of own a ship stake. Like
what are we talking about? I mean, that is one
of the stories that I'm just saying, like, how do
you make that right? When a guy gets stabbed in
along by it by a team. I'm gonna finish my point.
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So here's my point, which after that makes it so awkward.
I mean, it was it was that was that was
such an interesting thing. You just did their jonas. That's fine.
You don't just say it's interesting. Say it was a
bad dinna, it was a bad dick. It was anyway,
It's all right, you know. I think the point is
is that you want to have a coach that has
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the confidence in you to be who you who you are,
who you are, right. You always want somebody who believes
in you. And it seems like for now it would
appear that Mike McDaniel is totally bought into two Tua
and and and I'll say this, We've been talking a
lot about Tom Brady during this show. Think about the
(35:55):
person that you saw in New England versus the person
you've seen and gotten to know and to Tampa Bay.
I almost feel like if we had the Tampa Bay
um Tom Brady in New England, tom Brady is I mean,
is it even possible for him to be a bigger figure,
a more likable figure than even what he was during
his time in New England. It all came down to
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him being in an environment where he was comfortable being
who he was and it allowed for you to see
his his personality. I feel like to a coming out
and speaking publicly is a direct result also a product
of his his return of confidence, not only as I
don't doubt he's ever lost his ability or confidence to play,
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but we all know you know how this works. Que
if you got a coach that you don't feel confident
being who you are, you know, being brave or or
bold about how you feel about certain things, or maybe
taking a a shot at questions that you wouldn't have
took taken a shot at under previous leadership. I mean
that says a lot. If Mike mcdaney, which that's what
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it appears to be, if he is, if if he
is allowing him to garner that or grab and utilize
that confidence that he has and speaking out and speaking up,
that may directly result in better results on the football
field as well. Knowing that that's the belief that you
have from the guy that's calling the plays, that's calling
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the shots on the team. I mean, that's that's a
huge piece of it. I can tell you definitively you
knew when you get a play caller who was confident
in his abilities and what the the objective was and
what he was doing, and when you didn't have one
right like and I think all people can relate to that.
You know, you work for you work in a company,
you work in a business, and you've got someone over
top of you who's giving you marching order us and
(37:44):
you're like, this dude really doesn't know what he's what
he's doing, Like he has he has no confidence or
he is no understanding of what we're trying to accomplish.
And this isn't the right direction. I'm sure there's plenty
of people who can relate to that, and there's a
lot of athletes that unfortunately have to relate to that
and deal with that on a national stage. Happens all
the time. You know, as much as players quote unquote
(38:05):
don't work out, get fired, soda coaches, and the only
difference is is they keep resurfacing in the NFL or
either in in other levels because it's a buddy system
and they look out for each other to make sure
they're still all they're still employed. You brought up a
great point, though, and one in which I think it's
really fascinating about Tom Brady's personality and all that. And
by the way, to the Twitter guy who thinks we're
(38:27):
ball washing tom Brady, uh, he's the greatest of all time.
And if his direct quote was idolizing, like the greatest
cheater of all time or whatever he said, this is
what I want to point out about that statement. He
wasn't a part of spygate. That wasn't Tom Brady. He
happened to play on the team when that was going on.
That doesn't make him guilty of it. It wasn't even
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necessarily something that you know that that the offense was
taken advantage of. It was more with a defense. But
think about that, like because of all the the aura
or whatever you want around Bill Belichick, the England Patriots
and some of the funny business that was maybe going on.
As soon as the thing came out about deflate gate,
like people immediately like, well, it's Tom Brady something illegal.
(39:09):
It's like, what it could have just been a mistake. Well,
first off, it could have been a mistake by the
equipment manager. Through this long winded report and thorough process
of understanding the ideal gas law, which my god, I
can't believe I spent that much time reading that report
and trying to understand the science behind it. What the
conclusion was was essentially, when you have an inflated ball
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and you take it into an environment that's cold, it
will naturally lose pressure. And when you take a ball
that's inflated, you take it somewhere hot, it will naturally
increase in pressure. There's your simplified ideal gas law. That
was what came from deflate Gate. Stop painting on Tom
Brady thinking that he was cheating. I don't want anyone
(39:54):
after that. I don't want anyone to me those balls
are perfect car. A car's tire pressure changes when the
light goes on. It's not because you're you're releasing the
pressure from the tires. It's because of the weather impact.
It's just the whole thing was done. It's in Indianapolis,
you know. And can't care less if you think I'm
ball washing him, I'll wash wash the hell out. I
(40:17):
could care less. I just want to use the point
there's the perception that he's a cheater, and a lot
of what was viewed as cheating came before. He had
nothing to do with that. It wasn't even on him
for that well, and and again to your point, Bill
Belichick's approach to two things have always been confrontational or
divisive or you know, just very very you know, dismissive,
(40:40):
like is he doing the match if he's still in
New England right now? No, probably not. And that's a
shame because you get to see his personality. I thought
he carried that whole entire broadcast, by the way, with
his commentary outside of him and Chuck, I mean, the
rest was like, all right, let's let's try to bring
a little more to the tap he get an escorted
his suv after the Super Bowl parade. That would have
(41:04):
never happened in New England. Or he looked like a
wind puppet. Oh, it would have never happened in New England. Yeah,
nebras On, I will I will hold it accountable for that,
bro because okay, um, do we have an update on
how much the Do we have an update on how
much the Chargers? Oh? Tyrod Taylor for stabbing him? Oh? Yes,
(41:26):
Based on my research, the Los Angeles Chargers organization is
worth two point six billion dollars um. So you throughout
that six million dollars? Listen? That works? Man, I could do.
(41:47):
He got he got shipped, Uh you know by by
his own team, I mean one percent of ownership. I
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