June 8, 2023 • 43 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jokic makes triple-doubles look easy in game 3 vs the Heat. TheMMQB’s Albert Breer talks about the ongoing gambling investigation in the NFL Rory McIlroy sounds off on the PGA merger with LIV Golf.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Arrington, Rady Win and Jonas Knox on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I think we got to come up with a new
nickname for NIKOLEA. Jokic because Joker just doesn't seem applicable
here because A he's not joking and B I don't
he doesn't strike me as a guy who's cracking jokes
all the time. I apparently he's a funny guy behind
the scenes, but it is just this sort.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Of ho hum just kind of works, just.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Kind of does this thing, and then you look and
you go, is he a thirty twenty ten tonight? And yes,
in fact, he was thirty two twenty one and ten
was the stat line for Jokic. I believe he threw
the series thus far. Is shooting like sixty two percent
from the field, LeVar. This guy is an animal. And
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it's just the easy looking thirty twenty ten game that
I can recall ever seeing in the history of the league.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
It's amazing, man, that's just how he plays. I mean,
he makes it look really simple, like he's just in
a shoot around. I mean, his movements are very deliberate,
but they're just very slow, you know. But he can
handle the ball really good. He can shoot from from
pretty much anywhere. I mean, you don't see him take
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deep balls too often. You know, he doesn't shoot threes,
but anything in and around that rim, and he's going
to bang you. I mean, he does shoot threes, and
he has made threes, but in and around the basketball
and the rim, he's just he's money because he's got
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great vision, and because he's got such goutch has great vision,
he's able to make the passes when the defenses try
to converge on them. So it's like been all of
these these you know, debates on what do you do
to try to win against Denver?
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Do you allow your Jokis to to get his points
and make everybody else beat you, and different things like that. Listen,
bam out of Bayu Bayo is having a hell of
a series, and he's aggressive against jokes.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
He he's he's.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Productive as well on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
So on the offensive side of the court, he is
playing well.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
And so I think I think the idea of how
you try to go about playing this team and beating
this team is what they did in Game two, which
is you got to make your mid range shots, you
got to make your deep balls, and and you can't.
You can't keep it even or even beat up by
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a little bit. When when you go into halftime, you've
got to You've got to have a significant a significant
league like I'm talking double close to double digit league
going into halftime so that when you come out of halftime,
you got an opportunity to withstand some of what's going
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to take place with with Denver.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
I think that that's kind of what it is.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
And my my estimation, they're gonna they're gonna have to
play some really, really extraordinary basketball to be able to
win this series. I mean I said that coming into
a Jonas, but I think it proved true last last
night because I don't want to say it. It looked
too easy for them to get it because because Miami
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is they are. They are competitive and probably more competitive
than I was giving them credit for coming into this series.
But it did look like they were dominating Miami.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, so you know, Butler didn't. I mean, look, he
at his stat line was okay, he had his twenty
eight points, but it wasn't like he impacted the game
like he did against Boston, like he did against New York,
like he definitely did against Milwaukee. It's just I mean,
I look at it and I go, well, the Heat
already won because they're.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Not going to get swept.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
So there at least there's that. So they came back
and they won Game two. But this one was just
sort of this. Once you got to the second half,
I think their lead was five going into halftime was denver.
Once you got to the second half, that third quarter,
they opened it up and that was pretty much a wrap.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
And it was quick too. Yeah, it was like they
opened it up on him pretty quickly. They clomped a
double digit lead pretty quickly. Like it was just they
was on them, Like they came out.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Like if you were at a bar and you forgot
to take a leak at halftime, and then you thought,
oh damn, well let me I'm going to go now
early in the third quarter, get this over with, and
then I'm come back. You wash your hands, you get done, hopefully,
you wash your hands, You come out and you sit
down and you go what happened? Yeah, it just like
there they are with an extended lead and they're just
they're getting production from other guys, Jamal Murray was fantastic.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Well that's that's that's the storyline, they said it. That's
the storyline that gets lost because of the way Nicola's playing.
But but Murray is probably the singular biggest reason why
the league climbs up to and balloons up as quickly
as it does because he just he he can pull
up from anywhere. First off, like he will he will bang,
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he will bang a point out from anywhere on the
court like he's a He's a pretty strong shooters.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Ian Williamson, isn't he?
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Hey? Man?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
You know he's kind of a little bit like my
hero now man, Like I used to want to talk
bad about him, but you know, after what y'all sent
me yesterday, I'm kind of a fan.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Well, we'll probably touch on that at all.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
We're gonna touch it. Well, yeah, I believe that whole
lot to touch.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Feat would you rather an hour two?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
That is a whole lot to touch but Tom again,
But but I will say, I will say Jamal Murray,
he creates pace. I was thinking Catwell Pope would be
the guy that would create the pace, but Caltwell Pope
also gave some interesting commentary to least assaulters after I
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believe the first quarter, or maybe the second quarter, it
was the first quarter, I believe where he just said,
we just we just can't let Miami come out the
gate on us, like they can't get out on us quick.
We got to stay in the game early on. And
and I think that that's the most telling piece of
information that has come from that series, is that as
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long as as Denver can keep it close early on
with with Miami as they moved down the end of
the game, I think they feel confident that they cannot
actually overtake them with the minutes that they're playing their
big time players. I think they feel like with their conditioning,
with their size and their length and their strength, that
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they can take over the game later on in the game.
And it looked as though that strategy kind of kind
of worked last night. Well.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Mike Malone, the head coach of the Denver Nuggets, spoke
afterwards about just sort of his thoughts at this point
in watching Jokic put on another classic performance here in
Game three of the NBA.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Finals, nothing he does surprises me.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Ever, this guy has shown time and time again that
he's built for these moments. He thrives in these moments,
the biggest stage, and he did that once again tonight.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
So when it comes to the triple double stuff, and
Eddie Garcia mentioned this in his update, that Jokic and
Jamal Murray triple doubles last night. It's the first time
in the NBA where two players on the same team
were corded a triple double in the same game.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
So we've never seen it before. It's historic.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And we've talked about in years past, these triple double
monsters that.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Are out there.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And Russell Westbrook, and we've mentioned this before, was one
of those guys that you looked at was always seemingly
getting a triple double every game. But it just felt
different than when you watch Jokic get his. It just
it feels different because Westbrook, it wouldn't be surprising if
they would, you know, he had comed up with a
triple double and it would be like, all right, yeah,
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that's awesome, but they still lost the day long. It
just it just felt a little empty with Jokic. It's
not like he's picking up some meaningless assists where you know,
he finds a guy who's who hits a three from
the corner, like the offense really does revolve around him.
He'll get the ball at the top of the key,
they'll set a screen, and then he dictates where it goes.
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Like there was a there was a point where Brown
cut to the basket and just his vision to find him.
Aaron Gordon his vision like him and Orton have this
connection where they know where to be, where to go,
and when you watch the way he plays, I just wonder.
We've talked about the Steph Curry element to where Steph
Curry gave guys who were, you know, six three and
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under who maybe didn't want to go inside hope because
if you get your shot good enough, next thing, you know,
maybe you've got a chance in this league and a
chance to be a productive basketball player. I wonder, are
we going to see an explosion and popularity of a
guy like Jokic, who's a big man who, yes, you know,
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if he wants to hit an outside shot, he can.
But it's his passing that really sets everything else up.
Because the way he's working his triple double into these
games as opposed to Westbrook and some of these other
guys have in the past, completely different. It just feels different,
it looks different. And I just wonder if it's going
to change the game moving forward, because he.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Looks sustainable too, you know, playing at that pace and
at that speed. Assume that he could do that for
a really really long time, Like we could see him
be in his sixties and still be out there, yeah,
you know, playing that game because it's probably going to
be the same, same speed and it'll translate. But I
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doubt he'll make it to his sixties point. But you
will see probably people, probably franchises copycating, trying to find
that next Nicola Jokic. I think that's that's pretty fair
to think that, you know, being a copycat league. They
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want to try to bring in guys that they feel
are the most effective type of players, and although they
may not have the same exact characteristics as a Nicola,
I think that franchises see the value and what a
guy like that brings to the table. And now you
add those things, those elements to your scouting report, because
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I mean they talked about his scouting great and his
report coming out or coming into the draft, and it
wasn't very flattering, you know, it was almost like how
Tom Brady was right, Like just the way they evaluated him,
and they basically evaluated him as a pretty pretty say
average prospect, you know, and so, but when you look
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at the way his basketball IQ plays out on the
court and his acumen to be able to know when
to pass, no when to shoot, create that spacing and
opportunities for the other guys, and make no mistake about it.
I like this quote that came out of the game yesterday.
They said that we're not a team of one guy,
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but we're a team that knows who our guy is.
I thought that was a pretty cool quote because that's
why you have the relationship between a Joki and a Gordon,
or or a Murray and a Gordon. Like when you
looked at you know, Westbrook, what did you feel when
when he was out there with KD and James Harden.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
And he wants to be the guy? You know? And
and now you got a team of well, who's the guy?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Is it Harden? Is it is it KD? Is it Russ?
Russ seems to be the more dominant personality. They defer
to Russ, but maybe they shouldn't have. And you know,
and and you see that fall fall short. They kept
falling short. But here I think they understand the balance
of it all, including Djokic. He understands the balance of
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it all. And they play off of each other fairly well.
If they're able to keep that team together, it's a
pretty dangerous team to deal with. Man, they could they
could go on healthy Denver Nuggets could go on a
little bit of a run if they're able to hold
that together. But anyway, they got to get out of
this series. But they're playing. They look really good last night.
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They played good, strong defense, and they spread the ball around.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Guys were scoring.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Porter Porter Junior, he's still he still hasn't really really
gotten really into the the series offensively. Neither has Pope,
And I think that that may be that might be
on par for this series, I guess. But if they
were to catch on fire, oh to be a wipeout,
it might It might get ugly, Yeah, it might get ugly.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
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Speaker 2 (13:40):
Albert Breer is a senior NFL reporter at the MMQB
and you can get him on Twitter at Albert Breer,
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the show, AB What's Happening?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Good morning, Hey, Good morning guys, Good morning sir.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
All Right, So I got to ask you because I
saw this in your Tuesday notes on si Dot that
there could be some more people getting popped through gambling
in the NFL. I know, obviously, Isaiah Rogers, what can
you tell us? How much worse is this going to
get for the league?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Here?
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Well, they're investigating a lot of guys, and I think
there's some pushback now in that. You know, I feel
like there's players who've been popped who feel like the
league and the teams weren't clear enough about what the
rules were. And the fact that a lot of this
wasn't negotiated with the union I think is also an issue.
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So there's a lot of like backroom dealing going on
right now. I'd say, what winds up happening, We'll see,
And I think there's like a fair discussion to be
had here. I mean, look like no one thinks what
I say Rogers did is okay? Right, Like NFL players
cannot gamble on NFL games for very obvious reasons. And
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I wouldn't even say the league is being hypocritical when
it comes to that specifically, because that, you know, would
call in a question the integrity of any game, and
you know any sports league can't have that. But when
you're talking about, you know, gambling on the Kentucky Derby
or gambling out of college basketball game, and like, you
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can do it like from like the many you leave
the parking lot, but you can't do it from the
locker room. I think there are fair questions to ask
about that, especially when the league's taking money from Caesars
and from DraftKings and from FanDuel and everybody else.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
And so.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
Yes, there are a sizeable number of players that are
under investigation right now. I'll be interested to see where
it goes next, because I think there is some question
about how this was all negotiated, and then you know
how clearly the rules were communicated to the players.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
I'm gonna switch gears.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
And and ask you about the commanders, and particular more
specifically one of your probably I guess somebody you're a
fan of, and Chase Young. You said he looked pretty
pretty good in many camps. Can you give us an
update on on us because Jonas was basically calling him
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a Jadeveon Clowney. Do you, I mean, what do you
and listen, Jadeveon was able to make I think at
least one or two Pro Bowls. Do you think that
Chase Young can can kind of get back to that
type of form where he could actually be a Pro
Bowl caliber player again?
Speaker 7 (16:38):
You know, I think the name bringing up Clowney's name
isn't unfair just because I mean, if you guys remember
Devin Clowney, you know, really had a serious knee injury
in his first game of the pro and underwent microfracture.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Surgery and it doesn't get more serious than that, you know,
for a player. And so like Clowney came back from that,
but I think there was always this feeling that, you know,
maybe the reason he was never able to reach the
high end potential that initially made him the first tick
in the draft all the way back in twenty fourteen
was because of the knee injury. And so, you know,
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I think that's where the comparison is fair in that
Chase Young's ACL tare in twenty twenty one wasn't just
an ACL there. It was a multi ligament tear. It
was a devastating knee injury. And you know, I know,
like one of the big reasons Washington didn't pick up
the option, you know, and back in May, was because
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when he came back from the injury last year, he
didn't look like anything close to himself. It was ugly
in practice. They were questioning whether whether or not they
should just shut him down for the rest of the year.
And when he got back, you know, into games and
the very limited action, he just you know, it's fair
to look at and say, like we're you know, over
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a year out, Now, where is this going to go
from here? And you know, now I think the you know,
like with the options turned down, with the option having
been turned down, and you know, I think the Commanders
were open to talking about a trade on him before
the draft. They've wanted to wait and see what he
looks like on the field, and now they've actually seen
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him on the field, they feel a lot better about it.
So it doesn't mean he's going to get back to
the form me he achieved as a rookie when he
was the defensive Rookie of the Year, but some good
signs there and I'd say now it's highly unlikely they'll
trade him because of what they've been able to see
at mini camp this week. He looks a lot better.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Albert.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Can I throw a kind of a peek into the future.
I don't want to say conspiracy theory, because I don't
think it's a conspiracy. Yeah, but how crazy you think
this thought is that the speaking of the Commanders, the
Washington Commanders are picking number one overall in the draft
next year. Yep, They're taking Caleb Williams, who's from the area,
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and they're bringing Lincoln Riley with them.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
That sounds like a lot of fun, right.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I mean, I'm just saying, like, if they're picking number
one overall in the draft, I would assume Ron Rivera
is not the coach next year. I think he's kind
of alluded to that as well too.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Yeah. Well, that's the thing is, like, you know, it's
funny when people bring that up. It's like, are the
Commanders tanking. It's like Ron Rivera and Martin Mayhew and
Marty Herney cannot afford to take because if they there's
a new owner coming in and if they I would say,
if they don't make the playoffs, they're in trouble. If
they're the worst team in the league, I mean, they're
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gone before the years, but before the season's over, you know.
So I mean, look like, we know the way this goes.
And Josh Harris is going to be approved at the
end of July beginning August, and he's gonna come in
and he's going to say all the right things about
giving these guys a fair shot to prove themselves and
all the rest of it. You guys know the score
as well as I do. Every new owner wants to
bring in his new people, and he's looking for an
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excuse to bring in his new people, his own people.
And we saw what happened in Denver, right, Nate Hackett
had one year to prove himself, even though it was
the first year they hire him as a young head coach,
and no, it didn't go well. But in a lot
of circumstances like that one you'll see a guy like
that get a second chance. And Nathaniel Hacket didn't get
a second chance because he wasn't hired by the new owners.
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And so the new owners come in and they take
a huge swing and go and hire Sean Payton, and
it certainly stands to reason that that could happen here too,
where you know, new ownership comes in and they want
to kind of change the field in the organization and
sort of put their stamp on it right away and
take a big swing like that.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
And so.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
You know, I don't know what the Sean Payton type
of swing would be for Josh Harrits, but I think
trying to get Lincoln Y out of USC would certainly
be in that category as far as big swings go.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Wow, I still don't understand. Can you can you explain?
Speaker 4 (20:54):
I had another question, but I would love to hear
your reasoning on tanking a season. How is it possible
for an NFL team to be able to tank a season?
Speaker 8 (21:05):
Like?
Speaker 5 (21:05):
How does that even work?
Speaker 7 (21:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (21:07):
Well, so here's what I think is going to happen
this year, Lebar because I think tanking, because of Caleb
Williams presidence in the draft class, because of Drake May's
president of the draft class, tanking is going to be
a big subject when we get to October and November
and December with teams that are at the bottom ll league, right,
And I think if you look at the teams now
that would be in that running.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
It's a lot of teams that.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Either A have a first year head coach or B
have a coach is at the end of the row,
end of the road, right, So in both those cases,
it'd be hard for either coach and that sort of
situation to engineer or a tank a tanking plan because
if you're the coach at the end of the road,
then you know losing is going to mean you get
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fired and you won't be the one making that pick anyway.
And if you're a first year coach, you have to
establish something and it can be pretty fatal to your
ability to succeed if that's the first impressed players are
getting of you. So I don't think it happens in
September and October. However, what happens when we get to
the trade deadline and what happens when owners or a
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general manager gets googly eyes over the idea of I
can wind up what held Williams or Drake? May you
know what happens then? And I think what could happen
is we could see with maybe four or five six
teams at the bottom of the league, it's active a
fire sales we've ever seen before, where teams are unloading
players and trying to get draft capital and looking at
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it and saying, let's find a way to manage our
roster creatively. So we're in position to get the first pick,
and then we have all these draft picks on top
of the first pick to build around that young quarterback.
That's where I think it could happen. And if you're
doing that before the trade deadline, then what are you
doing down the stretch. You're probably engineering things to get
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the first pick. So that doesn't mean you're telling players
in your locker room go over there and lay down,
you know what I mean. You're not saying that, but
if you have a star player who has an injury,
maybe you shut them down for the year. So I
think that that's the sort of stuff that's going to
be on our radar when we get October, November, December,
because you've got not one, but two quarterbacks in this
year's class that I think could be the first pick
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in any year's class.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Get them on Twitter at Albert Breersenior, NFL reporter at
the MMQB, joining us.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So I wanted to ask you at this point in OTAs,
have you heard from anybody that you've talked to around
the league about a player or two, and it doesn't
have to be a rookie. It could be somebody entering
a big year that's really stood out, that's made you know,
obvious improvements, even just in OTAs. Thus far as we
get set for training camp coming up next month.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
You know, I the one team and I wrote about
them this week, so it's just kind of like front
of mine for me. I know, Seattle is very excited
about where they are, and you know it's Tino Smith
sort of setting the tone and really like pushing to
build on what was a breakthrough year for him last
year obviously, but it's the group of second year players
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too there, you know, so it's it's it's Kenneth Walker,
It's Charles Cross, it's Abe Lucas, it's you know, Kobe Bryant,
Tariq Wall in a corner. You know, Seattle's like, this
team is like, you know, kind of I would say,
flying under the radar right now, where you're starting to
get the vibes you got, like, you know, twelve thirteen
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years ago when Earl Thomas and Richard Sherman and all
those young guys were sort of building the program in Seattle,
and so like, I think that, like, if you're asking
about a team that like looks like it's like positioning
itself to take a big step forward because of a
group of players, I'd say it's that one, and I'd
say it's because of the quarterback, and I say it's
because of that young second year group. And then they've
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got the rookie class coming up behind them, you know,
and obviously going and getting Devin Witherspoon and Jackson Smith
and Jigba. Seattle just kind of strikes me as this
team where you know, we could be looking at three
or four second year players who grow from really good
rookies into pro bowlers, are all pros, and now all
of a sudden, Seattle set up to win for the
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next few years the same way they were. When when
when again, like theol Thomas's, the cam Chancellors, the Richard
Shermans came of age there twelve or thirteen years ago.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
AB talk to me about what's going on the latest
in Arizona. Obviously, uh DeAndre Hopkins was released and is
still looking for work. I find that to be a
tad bit curious because there are a few teams out there,
especially the one he just visited in Tennessee that is
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in need of a big time receiver. But what's the
what's the latest, uh on what's going on in Arizona,
because it seems as though they are tallying up the
type of reputation where they may be the most talked
about team in the National Football League this year.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Well, it's been a bizarre offseason for sure, right, Like
I mean from you know, the allegations against Michael Bidwell
that were you know, that were levy by Terry McDonough,
the former you know, the player personnel to the NFLPA stuff,
which was just, I mean comical. I don't know, LeVar,
were you ever charged for a meal if you stay
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late at the facility?
Speaker 5 (26:34):
They said they were charged.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
They said they were charging for meals at well in
Washington for for cups of coffee too, So I don't
you know, I won't get too carried away on that one.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Wait a second, they were charging for cups of coffee?
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Did you see the did you see the dig that
Mike McDaniel made on home washing that we said if
he'd have known something or something or another, you know,
because he was paying for his cups of coffee. There
was something that there was something Mike mcdaniel'll say he
took a dig, but apparently, I guess you were paying
for your cups of coffee.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
At one point they.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
Got like a coin op like in there.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
I would listen, I wouldn't put that past that man.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
And by the way, you know, it's one of those
devices where it's not a dollar, it's a dollar twenty
five to really make it a pain in the ass.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Yeah, it would have been it would have been a
quarter dip. It would have been a tap. You would
have been able to tap your credit card, you know.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
Yeah, So like I I mean between like the you know,
between the tampering thing and the the NFLPA thing and
you know the obviously the the Terry McDonough thing with
the owner. It's it's been a weird off season there,
and you know, look like I think what money Austin
Fortt and Jonathan Gannon, who I think are two there
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were two real solid hires. You know, through their actions
over the last couple of months and the way that
they've sort of structured things, it really looks like this
is going to be a big transition year, and you know,
you you look at like where their draft capital's gone,
where they're pushing kitchens next year, and how young their
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staff is and how they've had to move on from
some older veterans, and look like I think that they're
doing all the right They're doing what they need to do,
you know what I mean, Like they're doing I think
what anybody would do in that to the position where
you got really really old, you know, like JJ Watt,
Rodney HUDs the Hudson aj Green like they were old
(28:32):
and somebody needs to come in and hit the reset button.
And so they're not going to be very good this year,
you know, so throw another log in the fire and
they're gonna have to ride this year out. You know,
maybe a year from now we're talking about them being
the team that wound up with Caleb Williams and Kyler
Murray being somewhere else. It's I would say, not going
to be the wing winning this year in Arizona. But
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but I think it's going to be a really really
interesting year just because of all those different subplots going on.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Get them on Twitter at Albert Breers, senior NFL reporter
at the MMQB always kind enough to join us on
a Thursday. Ab always great stuff, man, we appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Yeah, next week we need stories from LeVar on that
like seven dollars cheeseburger he had to buy and watch
the ABM on a Wednesday night.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Please, he's got plenty of those. I'm sure that'll be fun.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
I don't need to know that they serve food there
when I think maybe at the end they started serving food.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
We had to order our at lunch.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
It's a couple of noodles and stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
You have. They got to do our dash lunch there, Albert.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Have a good rest of your Thursday. We'll do it
again next week.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
Man, all right, thanks guys.
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Speaker 2 (30:23):
So, the big story while the NBA was trying to
figure out how much longer it wanted to take in
between games before it tipped off Game three was the
Live and PGA union. The Live Tour and the PGA
Tour are now one, and there was a lot of
people who we had not heard from, a lot of
people who hadn't spoken out yet. We had heard rumblings
about a player's meeting on the PGA Tour in which
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they laid into j Monahan, the PGA Tour commissioner, and
you heard it from some of the Live golfers who
were on social media taking some victory laps and kind
of letting everybody know we were right the entire time
and you were wrong, et cetera, et cetera, and Jay
Monahan talked about him being a hypocrite, like we broke
it all down a deep dive yesterday on PGA and
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Live and their relationship, and then Rory McElroy decided to
step right up and he decided to talk about his involvement.
There was a report out there some rumblings that the
Live Tour at one point maybe offered Rory McElroy five
hundred million dollars to join the tour. There were some
rumblings at Tiger Woods was offered like seven eight hundred
million dollars to join the tour. But they showed support,
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they showed loyalty for the PGA Tour. Only to find
out we're all shopping in the same store together now.
And so here was Roy McElroy yesterday talking about the situation.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
I know you and many other golfers were offered substantial
amounts of money to join Live.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I was never offered an oh my apologies.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
Should the golfers who maybe stayed loyal and turned down Live,
should they be made whole financially? I mean answer is yes,
A complex answer is how does that happen?
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Right?
Speaker 8 (32:04):
And that's all that's all gray area and up in
the air at the minute. But yeah, there's you know,
it's hard to it's hard for me to not sit
up here and feel somewhat like a sacrificial lamb, and
you know, feeling like I've put myself out there and
this is what happens again. Removing myself from the situation.
I see how this is better for the game of golf.
(32:25):
There's no denying that. But for me as an individual, yeah,
I there's just gonna have to be conversations that are hot.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I was trying to get this straight.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
You ain't getting that money back. Player.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
You should have took the ridicule. You should have took
the road let's travel. You should have took a chance
and believed in yourself. You was watching them cats on
that private jet. You was getting jealous. Yeah, you were
sacrificial lamb my guy. You know why cause you didn't
take the money.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
My favorite part about all should you shouldn't. My favorite
part about all this is he was very quick to
point out I was never offered any money. And then
when it came to the end of the quote, it
was like, yeah, I think we should be compensated for something.
It's like, okay, So so you you take in the
stance that you took. Was it for moral purposes? Was
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it because you were outraged by the quote unquote blood
money that was part of the live tour or were
you just assuming that.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
You were in the right lane. They were all on
the wrong one, and.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
You guys were never going to merge into traffic together,
and now you look like an a hole and you
don't have any of the money that those guys made
on top of all that.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
That's what it feels like to me. That's why he's
been there.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
It just sounds a little disingenuous to like to say, yes,
if you were offered money, you should be made whole
after something like this, Like no, no, that's like that's
like the scenario you were given out about Tiger Woods,
Like if I get this deal done here, but it
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happens after. Like if my deal happened after, I don't
know you anything, but if it happened during, then I
owe you. The bottom line is is that you didn't
make a move. You made a decision. The PGA Tour
didn't keep y'all from making that decision. They might have
told y'all what advised you, what not to do, and
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what to do, or you might have had a whole
lot of people sitting there telling you this is career suicide.
And all those guys like Brooks, Kapka and all of
them who are taking the money, this is career suicide
for them. You chose you chose to play it safe.
Ain't no PGA need to make you whole. That's less money.
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That's less money that whoever that that public fund is,
and that from the Saudi's, that's that's that's funding this.
That's less money they had to pay to get to
where it is that they wanted. And which, by the way,
it made me start thinking what if they started what
if this public fund wanted to do this would say
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pro football? Yeah, what's to say that?
Speaker 6 (35:11):
Now?
Speaker 4 (35:11):
This has a set a new precedent for how to
infiltrate American sports, American athletics.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I brought up yesterday. WWE has been going over there
for a few years now. They got a lot of
the heat that a lot of the lib golfers got
and they keep going over and in fact, they're going
over more now because of how much money's brought in,
Like if you're willing to take the backlash initially, the
amount of revenue and the amount of cash that those
that they're willing to offer in situations like this. I
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mean that like this type of money, like the NFL
is rich and flush with cash, They're not this flush
with cash like like the Saudi's, like that's a level
of income and a level of money that even j
Monahan's like, look, yes, I'm a hypocrite, but damn, that's
a lot of cash.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Like did this I do? I was thinking about that
as well too.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I wonder could this potentially be a threat to you know,
some other establishments as far as leagues go, when it
comes to you know, football or basketball or whatever. If
this could be the start of what else could happen here?
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I do wonder, Well, I think that that's a that's
a very interesting proposition. I would be curious to hear
what Q would have to say on this, because you
know he he always brings the numbers and the evidence,
and you know he breaks out his copious notes of
all things like this. But I would say, I would
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wonder what would be like to think about it? You're
you're talking about a public fund in a place where
that money is the longest money I've heard of outside
of a few situations in Africa, but I've heard that
money is super super super long, like guarantee contracts. Why
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why not guarantee contracts? Oh, Deshaun Watson, you guys, Oh,
I can bring over the you know, Trevor Lawrence is
the Justin Herberts, the Tarik Hills. I can get, you know,
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
What, Yeah, I can.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Bring these players over. All I have to do is
give them guarantee contracts. Look at the money that they're
generating in the NFL. Let's infiltrate them. Let's start our
own league. Let's start giving their the best players that
they have, like a guaranteed amount on their contracts, and
let's start football teams. We can plug in the rest
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of these guys. There's enough football players running around where
you can plug in the rest of these guys. These
are going to be the ones that are selling tickets
and making this thing go, Like, let's do it. Who's
to say that that isn't what could happen the.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Next Yeah, just the whole Rory McElroy and his just
crying about you know, I was never offered anything, and
it's blood money, and he just it's disgraceful what they've done.
But I mean, since we're here, I'll take some of
it as a make good you know, I'll take some
of your money as a make good Okay. So it's
(38:21):
blood money then, but now it's make good money, Okay.
I just I want to make sure that we've got
this clear. It's just the whole thing's hilarious, man, just
to see how many of these guys are so bitter
and just still are holding on to that.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Well, it needs to need to make it right for us.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
It's like you ever had like a piece of hair,
you find a piece of hair in your food at
a restaurant. You ever had that happen, or like, you know,
a fingernail.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Like something you drink. I've seen particles in my joe. Yeah,
that's really like that's a real big turn off.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
It's like if I saw something in my food, the
last thing I want is the same meal that I
just ordered that had like a piece of hair or
a fingernail my food. It's like when they come back
to the tails, it all will remake it for you. Yeah,
I don't want you to remake it, Like I just
I don't want to get that.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
You know, I'll get something.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
They remaking it.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
They just out yes and let it sit under the
heater for a minute and then put it back out there.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
It's like run it back out.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
It's like Roy mceleroy is saying, no, take this food back,
but they bring out the exact same one, and he says, Okay,
I guess now, I'll take it all. Right now, now
I'll take it, you know, as long as long as
you know part of its comp I guess now I'll
take it.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Just the whole The whole thing is comedy.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
Just you played it safe.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
You played it safe when others didn't, and know you
shouldn't be compensated for playing it safe. You shouldn't. Bottom
line is you shouldn't. And it's so crazy because now
you expose yourself for.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
Being a hypocrite.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Yep, totally agree, just by sitting there saying that, Like, okay,
so it wasn't really about being true Americans and patriotism
and all these things.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
It was about, like you.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Trying to preserve yourself self preservation. And on the other
side of this, when this crumbles in people's faces to
live toward that is, then we're the ones that look
like good, good, good patriots.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
We did it the right way. We're the good soldiers. Yeah, Well,
what happens when the.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Team you're a part of, the myth, the soldier team,
the soldier group you're a part of, sells out to
the enemy like you you thought you won the war,
but you had only won a battle should the war
was still being waged. And clearly whoever chose live and
took those big ass bags of money, they won the
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war in the end, and they're probably going to be
taken care of and they're probably going to be reverenced
by the people that did the deals with them early on,
because you don't get this deal done unless the golfers
that join not only joined, but.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Played well, play well in the PGA.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
And I would love to know how many of the
golfers that joined the live tour. I would love to
know how many of them joined just for the money,
or how many of them joined, yes because of the money,
but also because hey, dude, we're going to end up
in the same spot anyways, so why not take the money, Like, yeah,
we got to wear it for a couple of years,
but eventually we're all going to be in the same spot.
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And the PGA Tour, with all its flaws, can't just
continue to say no to this type of cash, knowing
what it could do to the entire sport and everybody
involved in it. I wonder how many of them said,
this is our opportunity to make on top of what
we're going to make when we finally joined forces together.
This is what our opportunity to make an extra hundred
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million dollars knowing what was down the road. Because I
get the feeling guys like Phil Mickelson, Greg Norman has
been all about this for years now. You mentioned Donald
Trump who predicted this, what was it a couple of
years ago or last year saying cheery, predict take take
the money. It's going to happen eventually. I wonder how
many people also had the same thought. And that's part
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of the reason why they did this, because they said,
we'll take the blowback for two years, but that hundred
million dollars you can't get back. And and and the
way we go with the living PGA relationship that moves forward,
it's it's pretty funny to watch. It's two pros and
a cup of Joe here. Fox Sports Radio. It's LeVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn or not Brady Quinn. That was a Freudian
slip there, I have it.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
Sorry, I mean he is a part of this show.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5 (42:28):
He's just not in.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
He's not here. Yeah, but LeVar Arrington and Jonas Knocks
are here. That's what I know. Yes, yes he is.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Not.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Forget everybody realized.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
People still want to know what happened to Berto too,
They said, what happened to Berto and Brady?
Speaker 5 (42:47):
Yeah?
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
I think we got to come up with a new
nickname for NIKOLEA. Jokic because Joker just doesn't seem applicable
here because A he's not joking and B I don't
he doesn't strike me as a guy who's cracking jokes
all the time. I apparently he's a funny guy behind
the scenes, but it is just this sort.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Of ho hum just kind of works, just.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Kind of does this thing, and then you look and
you go, is he a thirty twenty ten tonight? And yes,
in fact, he was thirty two twenty one and ten
was the stat line for Jokic. I believe he threw
the series thus far. Is shooting like sixty two percent
from the field, LeVar. This guy is an animal. And
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it's just the easy looking thirty twenty ten game that
I can recall ever seeing in the history of the league.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
It's amazing, man, that's just how he plays. I mean,
he makes it look really simple, like he's just in
a shoot around. I mean, his movements are very deliberate,
but they're just very slow, you know. But he can
handle the ball really good. He can shoot from from
pretty much anywhere. I mean, you don't see him take
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deep balls too often. You know, he doesn't shoot threes,
but anything in and around that rim, and he's going
to bang you. I mean, he does shoot threes, and
he has made threes, but in and around the basketball
and the rim, he's just he's money because he's got
(01:48):
great vision, and because he's got such goutch has great vision,
he's able to make the passes when the defenses try
to converge on them. So it's like been all of
these these you know, debates on what do you do
to try to win against Denver?
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Do you allow your Jokis to to get his points
and make everybody else beat you, and different things like that. Listen,
bam out of Bayu Bayo is having a hell of
a series, and he's aggressive against jokes.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
He he's he's.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Productive as well on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
So on the offensive side of the court, he is
playing well.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
And so I think I think the idea of how
you try to go about playing this team and beating
this team is what they did in Game two, which
is you got to make your mid range shots, you
got to make your deep balls, and and you can't.
You can't keep it even or even beat up by
(03:00):
a little bit. When when you go into halftime, you've
got to You've got to have a significant a significant
league like I'm talking double close to double digit league
going into halftime so that when you come out of halftime,
you got an opportunity to withstand some of what's going
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to take place with with Denver.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
I think that that's kind of what it is.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
And my my estimation, they're gonna they're gonna have to
play some really, really extraordinary basketball to be able to
win this series. I mean I said that coming into
a Jonas, but I think it proved true last last
night because I don't want to say it. It looked
too easy for them to get it because because Miami
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is they are. They are competitive and probably more competitive
than I was giving them credit for coming into this series.
But it did look like they were dominating Miami.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, so you know, Butler didn't. I mean, look, he
at his stat line was okay, he had his twenty
eight points, but it wasn't like he impacted the game
like he did against Boston, like he did against New York,
like he definitely did against Milwaukee. It's just I mean,
I look at it and I go, well, the Heat
already won because they're.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Not going to get swept.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
So there at least there's that. So they came back
and they won Game two. But this one was just
sort of this. Once you got to the second half,
I think their lead was five going into halftime was denver.
Once you got to the second half, that third quarter,
they opened it up and that was pretty much a wrap.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
And it was quick too. Yeah, it was like they
opened it up on him pretty quickly. They clomped a
double digit lead pretty quickly. Like it was just they
was on them, Like they came out.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Like if you were at a bar and you forgot
to take a leak at halftime, and then you thought,
oh damn, well let me I'm going to go now
early in the third quarter, get this over with, and
then I'm come back. You wash your hands, you get done, hopefully,
you wash your hands, You come out and you sit
down and you go what happened? Yeah, it just like
there they are with an extended lead and they're just
they're getting production from other guys, Jamal Murray was fantastic.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Well that's that's that's the storyline, they said it. That's
the storyline that gets lost because of the way Nicola's playing.
But but Murray is probably the singular biggest reason why
the league climbs up to and balloons up as quickly
as it does because he just he he can pull
up from anywhere. First off, like he will he will bang,
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he will bang a point out from anywhere on the
court like he's a He's a pretty strong shooters.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Ian Williamson, isn't he?
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Hey? Man?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
You know he's kind of a little bit like my
hero now man, Like I used to want to talk
bad about him, but you know, after what y'all sent
me yesterday, I'm kind of a fan.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Well, we'll probably touch on that at all.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
We're gonna touch it. Well, yeah, I believe that whole
lot to touch.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Feat would you rather an hour two?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
That is a whole lot to touch but Tom again,
But but I will say, I will say Jamal Murray,
he creates pace. I was thinking Catwell Pope would be
the guy that would create the pace, but Caltwell Pope
also gave some interesting commentary to least assaulters after I
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believe the first quarter, or maybe the second quarter, it
was the first quarter, I believe where he just said,
we just we just can't let Miami come out the
gate on us, like they can't get out on us quick.
We got to stay in the game early on. And
and I think that that's the most telling piece of
information that has come from that series, is that as
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long as as Denver can keep it close early on
with with Miami as they moved down the end of
the game, I think they feel confident that they cannot
actually overtake them with the minutes that they're playing their
big time players. I think they feel like with their conditioning,
with their size and their length and their strength, that
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they can take over the game later on in the game.
And it looked as though that strategy kind of kind
of worked last night. Well.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Mike Malone, the head coach of the Denver Nuggets, spoke
afterwards about just sort of his thoughts at this point
in watching Jokic put on another classic performance here in
Game three of the NBA.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Finals, nothing he does surprises me.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Ever, this guy has shown time and time again that
he's built for these moments. He thrives in these moments,
the biggest stage, and he did that once again tonight.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
So when it comes to the triple double stuff, and
Eddie Garcia mentioned this in his update, that Jokic and
Jamal Murray triple doubles last night. It's the first time
in the NBA where two players on the same team
were corded a triple double in the same game.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
So we've never seen it before. It's historic.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And we've talked about in years past, these triple double
monsters that.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Are out there.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And Russell Westbrook, and we've mentioned this before, was one
of those guys that you looked at was always seemingly
getting a triple double every game. But it just felt
different than when you watch Jokic get his. It just
it feels different because Westbrook, it wouldn't be surprising if
they would, you know, he had comed up with a
triple double and it would be like, all right, yeah,
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that's awesome, but they still lost the day long. It
just it just felt a little empty with Jokic. It's
not like he's picking up some meaningless assists where you know,
he finds a guy who's who hits a three from
the corner, like the offense really does revolve around him.
He'll get the ball at the top of the key,
they'll set a screen, and then he dictates where it goes.
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Like there was a there was a point where Brown
cut to the basket and just his vision to find him.
Aaron Gordon his vision like him and Orton have this
connection where they know where to be, where to go,
and when you watch the way he plays, I just wonder.
We've talked about the Steph Curry element to where Steph
Curry gave guys who were, you know, six three and
(09:13):
under who maybe didn't want to go inside hope because
if you get your shot good enough, next thing, you know,
maybe you've got a chance in this league and a
chance to be a productive basketball player. I wonder, are
we going to see an explosion and popularity of a
guy like Jokic, who's a big man who, yes, you know,
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if he wants to hit an outside shot, he can.
But it's his passing that really sets everything else up.
Because the way he's working his triple double into these
games as opposed to Westbrook and some of these other
guys have in the past, completely different. It just feels different,
it looks different. And I just wonder if it's going
to change the game moving forward, because he.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Looks sustainable too, you know, playing at that pace and
at that speed. Assume that he could do that for
a really really long time, Like we could see him
be in his sixties and still be out there, yeah,
you know, playing that game because it's probably going to
be the same, same speed and it'll translate. But I
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doubt he'll make it to his sixties point. But you
will see probably people, probably franchises copycating, trying to find
that next Nicola Jokic. I think that's that's pretty fair
to think that, you know, being a copycat league. They
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want to try to bring in guys that they feel
are the most effective type of players, and although they
may not have the same exact characteristics as a Nicola,
I think that franchises see the value and what a
guy like that brings to the table. And now you
add those things, those elements to your scouting report, because
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I mean they talked about his scouting great and his
report coming out or coming into the draft, and it
wasn't very flattering, you know, it was almost like how
Tom Brady was right, Like just the way they evaluated him,
and they basically evaluated him as a pretty pretty say
average prospect, you know, and so, but when you look
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at the way his basketball IQ plays out on the
court and his acumen to be able to know when
to pass, no when to shoot, create that spacing and
opportunities for the other guys, and make no mistake about it.
I like this quote that came out of the game yesterday.
They said that we're not a team of one guy,
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but we're a team that knows who our guy is.
I thought that was a pretty cool quote because that's
why you have the relationship between a Joki and a Gordon,
or or a Murray and a Gordon. Like when you
looked at you know, Westbrook, what did you feel when
when he was out there with KD and James Harden.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
And he wants to be the guy? You know? And
and now you got a team of well, who's the guy?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Is it Harden? Is it is it KD? Is it Russ?
Russ seems to be the more dominant personality. They defer
to Russ, but maybe they shouldn't have. And you know,
and and you see that fall fall short. They kept
falling short. But here I think they understand the balance
of it all, including Djokic. He understands the balance of
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it all. And they play off of each other fairly well.
If they're able to keep that team together, it's a
pretty dangerous team to deal with. Man, they could they
could go on healthy Denver Nuggets could go on a
little bit of a run if they're able to hold
that together. But anyway, they got to get out of
this series. But they're playing. They look really good last night.
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They played good, strong defense, and they spread the ball around.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Guys were scoring.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Porter Porter Junior, he's still he still hasn't really really
gotten really into the the series offensively. Neither has Pope,
And I think that that may be that might be
on par for this series, I guess. But if they
were to catch on fire, oh to be a wipeout,
it might It might get ugly, Yeah, it might get ugly.
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Speaker 2 (13:40):
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the show, AB What's Happening?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Good morning, Hey, Good morning guys, Good morning sir.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
All Right, So I got to ask you because I
saw this in your Tuesday notes on si Dot that
there could be some more people getting popped through gambling
in the NFL. I know, obviously, Isaiah Rogers, what can
you tell us? How much worse is this going to
get for the league?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Here?
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Well, they're investigating a lot of guys, and I think
there's some pushback now in that. You know, I feel
like there's players who've been popped who feel like the
league and the teams weren't clear enough about what the
rules were. And the fact that a lot of this
wasn't negotiated with the union I think is also an issue.
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So there's a lot of like backroom dealing going on
right now. I'd say, what winds up happening, We'll see,
And I think there's like a fair discussion to be
had here. I mean, look like no one thinks what
I say Rogers did is okay? Right, Like NFL players
cannot gamble on NFL games for very obvious reasons. And
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I wouldn't even say the league is being hypocritical when
it comes to that specifically, because that, you know, would
call in a question the integrity of any game, and
you know any sports league can't have that. But when
you're talking about, you know, gambling on the Kentucky Derby
or gambling out of college basketball game, and like, you
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can do it like from like the many you leave
the parking lot, but you can't do it from the
locker room. I think there are fair questions to ask
about that, especially when the league's taking money from Caesars
and from DraftKings and from FanDuel and everybody else.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
And so.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
Yes, there are a sizeable number of players that are
under investigation right now. I'll be interested to see where
it goes next, because I think there is some question
about how this was all negotiated, and then you know
how clearly the rules were communicated to the players.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
I'm gonna switch gears.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
And and ask you about the commanders, and particular more
specifically one of your probably I guess somebody you're a
fan of, and Chase Young. You said he looked pretty
pretty good in many camps. Can you give us an
update on on us because Jonas was basically calling him
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a Jadeveon Clowney. Do you, I mean, what do you
and listen, Jadeveon was able to make I think at
least one or two Pro Bowls. Do you think that
Chase Young can can kind of get back to that
type of form where he could actually be a Pro
Bowl caliber player again?
Speaker 7 (16:38):
You know, I think the name bringing up Clowney's name
isn't unfair just because I mean, if you guys remember
Devin Clowney, you know, really had a serious knee injury
in his first game of the pro and underwent microfracture.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Surgery and it doesn't get more serious than that, you know,
for a player. And so like Clowney came back from that,
but I think there was always this feeling that, you know,
maybe the reason he was never able to reach the
high end potential that initially made him the first tick
in the draft all the way back in twenty fourteen
was because of the knee injury. And so, you know,
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I think that's where the comparison is fair in that
Chase Young's ACL tare in twenty twenty one wasn't just
an ACL there. It was a multi ligament tear. It
was a devastating knee injury. And you know, I know,
like one of the big reasons Washington didn't pick up
the option, you know, and back in May, was because
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when he came back from the injury last year, he
didn't look like anything close to himself. It was ugly
in practice. They were questioning whether whether or not they
should just shut him down for the rest of the year.
And when he got back, you know, into games and
the very limited action, he just you know, it's fair
to look at and say, like we're you know, over
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a year out, Now, where is this going to go
from here? And you know, now I think the you know,
like with the options turned down, with the option having
been turned down, and you know, I think the Commanders
were open to talking about a trade on him before
the draft. They've wanted to wait and see what he
looks like on the field, and now they've actually seen
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him on the field, they feel a lot better about it.
So it doesn't mean he's going to get back to
the form me he achieved as a rookie when he
was the defensive Rookie of the Year, but some good
signs there and I'd say now it's highly unlikely they'll
trade him because of what they've been able to see
at mini camp this week. He looks a lot better.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Albert.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Can I throw a kind of a peek into the future.
I don't want to say conspiracy theory, because I don't
think it's a conspiracy. Yeah, but how crazy you think
this thought is that the speaking of the Commanders, the
Washington Commanders are picking number one overall in the draft
next year. Yep, They're taking Caleb Williams, who's from the area,
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and they're bringing Lincoln Riley with them.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
That sounds like a lot of fun, right.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I mean, I'm just saying, like, if they're picking number
one overall in the draft, I would assume Ron Rivera
is not the coach next year. I think he's kind
of alluded to that as well too.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Yeah. Well, that's the thing is, like, you know, it's
funny when people bring that up. It's like, are the
Commanders tanking. It's like Ron Rivera and Martin Mayhew and
Marty Herney cannot afford to take because if they there's
a new owner coming in and if they I would say,
if they don't make the playoffs, they're in trouble. If
they're the worst team in the league, I mean, they're
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gone before the years, but before the season's over, you know.
So I mean, look like, we know the way this goes.
And Josh Harris is going to be approved at the
end of July beginning August, and he's gonna come in
and he's going to say all the right things about
giving these guys a fair shot to prove themselves and
all the rest of it. You guys know the score
as well as I do. Every new owner wants to
bring in his new people, and he's looking for an
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excuse to bring in his new people, his own people.
And we saw what happened in Denver, right, Nate Hackett
had one year to prove himself, even though it was
the first year they hire him as a young head coach,
and no, it didn't go well. But in a lot
of circumstances like that one you'll see a guy like
that get a second chance. And Nathaniel Hacket didn't get
a second chance because he wasn't hired by the new owners.
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And so the new owners come in and they take
a huge swing and go and hire Sean Payton, and
it certainly stands to reason that that could happen here too,
where you know, new ownership comes in and they want
to kind of change the field in the organization and
sort of put their stamp on it right away and
take a big swing like that.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
And so.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
You know, I don't know what the Sean Payton type
of swing would be for Josh Harrits, but I think
trying to get Lincoln Y out of USC would certainly
be in that category as far as big swings go.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Wow, I still don't understand. Can you can you explain?
Speaker 4 (20:54):
I had another question, but I would love to hear
your reasoning on tanking a season. How is it possible
for an NFL team to be able to tank a season?
Speaker 8 (21:05):
Like?
Speaker 5 (21:05):
How does that even work?
Speaker 7 (21:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (21:07):
Well, so here's what I think is going to happen
this year, Lebar because I think tanking, because of Caleb
Williams presidence in the draft class, because of Drake May's
president of the draft class, tanking is going to be
a big subject when we get to October and November
and December with teams that are at the bottom ll league, right,
And I think if you look at the teams now
that would be in that running.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
It's a lot of teams that.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Either A have a first year head coach or B
have a coach is at the end of the row,
end of the road, right, So in both those cases,
it'd be hard for either coach and that sort of
situation to engineer or a tank a tanking plan because
if you're the coach at the end of the road,
then you know losing is going to mean you get
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fired and you won't be the one making that pick anyway.
And if you're a first year coach, you have to
establish something and it can be pretty fatal to your
ability to succeed if that's the first impressed players are
getting of you. So I don't think it happens in
September and October. However, what happens when we get to
the trade deadline and what happens when owners or a
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general manager gets googly eyes over the idea of I
can wind up what held Williams or Drake? May you
know what happens then? And I think what could happen
is we could see with maybe four or five six
teams at the bottom of the league, it's active a
fire sales we've ever seen before, where teams are unloading
players and trying to get draft capital and looking at
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it and saying, let's find a way to manage our
roster creatively. So we're in position to get the first pick,
and then we have all these draft picks on top
of the first pick to build around that young quarterback.
That's where I think it could happen. And if you're
doing that before the trade deadline, then what are you
doing down the stretch. You're probably engineering things to get
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the first pick. So that doesn't mean you're telling players
in your locker room go over there and lay down,
you know what I mean. You're not saying that, but
if you have a star player who has an injury,
maybe you shut them down for the year. So I
think that that's the sort of stuff that's going to
be on our radar when we get October, November, December,
because you've got not one, but two quarterbacks in this
year's class that I think could be the first pick
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in any year's class.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Get them on Twitter at Albert Breersenior, NFL reporter at
the MMQB, joining us.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So I wanted to ask you at this point in OTAs,
have you heard from anybody that you've talked to around
the league about a player or two, and it doesn't
have to be a rookie. It could be somebody entering
a big year that's really stood out, that's made you know,
obvious improvements, even just in OTAs. Thus far as we
get set for training camp coming up next month.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
You know, I the one team and I wrote about
them this week, so it's just kind of like front
of mine for me. I know, Seattle is very excited
about where they are, and you know it's Tino Smith
sort of setting the tone and really like pushing to
build on what was a breakthrough year for him last
year obviously, but it's the group of second year players
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too there, you know, so it's it's it's Kenneth Walker,
It's Charles Cross, it's Abe Lucas, it's you know, Kobe Bryant,
Tariq Wall in a corner. You know, Seattle's like, this
team is like, you know, kind of I would say,
flying under the radar right now, where you're starting to
get the vibes you got, like, you know, twelve thirteen
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years ago when Earl Thomas and Richard Sherman and all
those young guys were sort of building the program in Seattle,
and so like, I think that, like, if you're asking
about a team that like looks like it's like positioning
itself to take a big step forward because of a
group of players, I'd say it's that one, and I'd
say it's because of the quarterback, and I say it's
because of that young second year group. And then they've
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got the rookie class coming up behind them, you know,
and obviously going and getting Devin Witherspoon and Jackson Smith
and Jigba. Seattle just kind of strikes me as this
team where you know, we could be looking at three
or four second year players who grow from really good
rookies into pro bowlers, are all pros, and now all
of a sudden, Seattle set up to win for the
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next few years the same way they were. When when
when again, like theol Thomas's, the cam Chancellors, the Richard
Shermans came of age there twelve or thirteen years ago.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
AB talk to me about what's going on the latest
in Arizona. Obviously, uh DeAndre Hopkins was released and is
still looking for work. I find that to be a
tad bit curious because there are a few teams out there,
especially the one he just visited in Tennessee that is
(25:51):
in need of a big time receiver. But what's the
what's the latest, uh on what's going on in Arizona,
because it seems as though they are tallying up the
type of reputation where they may be the most talked
about team in the National Football League this year.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Well, it's been a bizarre offseason for sure, right, Like
I mean from you know, the allegations against Michael Bidwell
that were you know, that were levy by Terry McDonough,
the former you know, the player personnel to the NFLPA stuff,
which was just, I mean comical. I don't know, LeVar,
were you ever charged for a meal if you stay
(26:30):
late at the facility?
Speaker 5 (26:34):
They said they were charged.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
They said they were charging for meals at well in
Washington for for cups of coffee too, So I don't
you know, I won't get too carried away on that one.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Wait a second, they were charging for cups of coffee?
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Did you see the did you see the dig that
Mike McDaniel made on home washing that we said if
he'd have known something or something or another, you know,
because he was paying for his cups of coffee. There
was something that there was something Mike mcdaniel'll say he
took a dig, but apparently, I guess you were paying
for your cups of coffee.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
At one point they.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
Got like a coin op like in there.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
I would listen, I wouldn't put that past that man.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
And by the way, you know, it's one of those
devices where it's not a dollar, it's a dollar twenty
five to really make it a pain in the ass.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Yeah, it would have been it would have been a
quarter dip. It would have been a tap. You would
have been able to tap your credit card, you know.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
Yeah, So like I I mean between like the you know,
between the tampering thing and the the NFLPA thing and
you know the obviously the the Terry McDonough thing with
the owner. It's it's been a weird off season there,
and you know, look like I think what money Austin
Fortt and Jonathan Gannon, who I think are two there
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were two real solid hires. You know, through their actions
over the last couple of months and the way that
they've sort of structured things, it really looks like this
is going to be a big transition year, and you know,
you you look at like where their draft capital's gone,
where they're pushing kitchens next year, and how young their
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staff is and how they've had to move on from
some older veterans, and look like I think that they're
doing all the right They're doing what they need to do,
you know what I mean, Like they're doing I think
what anybody would do in that to the position where
you got really really old, you know, like JJ Watt,
Rodney HUDs the Hudson aj Green like they were old
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and somebody needs to come in and hit the reset button.
And so they're not going to be very good this year,
you know, so throw another log in the fire and
they're gonna have to ride this year out. You know,
maybe a year from now we're talking about them being
the team that wound up with Caleb Williams and Kyler
Murray being somewhere else. It's I would say, not going
to be the wing winning this year in Arizona. But
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but I think it's going to be a really really
interesting year just because of all those different subplots going on.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Get them on Twitter at Albert Breers, senior NFL reporter
at the MMQB always kind enough to join us on
a Thursday. Ab always great stuff, man, we appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Yeah, next week we need stories from LeVar on that
like seven dollars cheeseburger he had to buy and watch
the ABM on a Wednesday night.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Please, he's got plenty of those. I'm sure that'll be fun.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
I don't need to know that they serve food there
when I think maybe at the end they started serving food.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
We had to order our at lunch.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
It's a couple of noodles and stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
You have. They got to do our dash lunch there, Albert.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Have a good rest of your Thursday. We'll do it
again next week.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
Man, all right, thanks guys.
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Speaker 2 (30:23):
So, the big story while the NBA was trying to
figure out how much longer it wanted to take in
between games before it tipped off Game three was the
Live and PGA union. The Live Tour and the PGA
Tour are now one, and there was a lot of
people who we had not heard from, a lot of
people who hadn't spoken out yet. We had heard rumblings
about a player's meeting on the PGA Tour in which
(30:45):
they laid into j Monahan, the PGA Tour commissioner, and
you heard it from some of the Live golfers who
were on social media taking some victory laps and kind
of letting everybody know we were right the entire time
and you were wrong, et cetera, et cetera, and Jay
Monahan talked about him being a hypocrite, like we broke
it all down a deep dive yesterday on PGA and
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Live and their relationship, and then Rory McElroy decided to
step right up and he decided to talk about his involvement.
There was a report out there some rumblings that the
Live Tour at one point maybe offered Rory McElroy five
hundred million dollars to join the tour. There were some
rumblings at Tiger Woods was offered like seven eight hundred
million dollars to join the tour. But they showed support,
(31:34):
they showed loyalty for the PGA Tour. Only to find
out we're all shopping in the same store together now.
And so here was Roy McElroy yesterday talking about the situation.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
I know you and many other golfers were offered substantial
amounts of money to join Live.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I was never offered an oh my apologies.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
Should the golfers who maybe stayed loyal and turned down Live,
should they be made whole financially? I mean answer is yes,
A complex answer is how does that happen?
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Right?
Speaker 8 (32:04):
And that's all that's all gray area and up in
the air at the minute. But yeah, there's you know,
it's hard to it's hard for me to not sit
up here and feel somewhat like a sacrificial lamb, and
you know, feeling like I've put myself out there and
this is what happens again. Removing myself from the situation.
I see how this is better for the game of golf.
(32:25):
There's no denying that. But for me as an individual, yeah,
I there's just gonna have to be conversations that are hot.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I was trying to get this straight.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
You ain't getting that money back. Player.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
You should have took the ridicule. You should have took
the road let's travel. You should have took a chance
and believed in yourself. You was watching them cats on
that private jet. You was getting jealous. Yeah, you were
sacrificial lamb my guy. You know why cause you didn't
take the money.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
My favorite part about all should you shouldn't. My favorite
part about all this is he was very quick to
point out I was never offered any money. And then
when it came to the end of the quote, it
was like, yeah, I think we should be compensated for something.
It's like, okay, So so you you take in the
stance that you took. Was it for moral purposes? Was
(33:20):
it because you were outraged by the quote unquote blood
money that was part of the live tour or were
you just assuming that.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
You were in the right lane. They were all on
the wrong one, and.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
You guys were never going to merge into traffic together,
and now you look like an a hole and you
don't have any of the money that those guys made
on top of all that.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
That's what it feels like to me. That's why he's
been there.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
It just sounds a little disingenuous to like to say, yes,
if you were offered money, you should be made whole
after something like this, Like no, no, that's like that's
like the scenario you were given out about Tiger Woods,
Like if I get this deal done here, but it
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happens after. Like if my deal happened after, I don't
know you anything, but if it happened during, then I
owe you. The bottom line is is that you didn't
make a move. You made a decision. The PGA Tour
didn't keep y'all from making that decision. They might have
told y'all what advised you, what not to do, and
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what to do, or you might have had a whole
lot of people sitting there telling you this is career suicide.
And all those guys like Brooks, Kapka and all of
them who are taking the money, this is career suicide
for them. You chose you chose to play it safe.
Ain't no PGA need to make you whole. That's less money.
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That's less money that whoever that that public fund is,
and that from the Saudi's, that's that's that's funding this.
That's less money they had to pay to get to
where it is that they wanted. And which, by the way,
it made me start thinking what if they started what
if this public fund wanted to do this would say
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pro football? Yeah, what's to say that?
Speaker 6 (35:11):
Now?
Speaker 4 (35:11):
This has a set a new precedent for how to
infiltrate American sports, American athletics.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I brought up yesterday. WWE has been going over there
for a few years now. They got a lot of
the heat that a lot of the lib golfers got
and they keep going over and in fact, they're going
over more now because of how much money's brought in,
Like if you're willing to take the backlash initially, the
amount of revenue and the amount of cash that those
that they're willing to offer in situations like this. I
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mean that like this type of money, like the NFL
is rich and flush with cash, They're not this flush
with cash like like the Saudi's, like that's a level
of income and a level of money that even j
Monahan's like, look, yes, I'm a hypocrite, but damn, that's
a lot of cash.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Like did this I do? I was thinking about that
as well too.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I wonder could this potentially be a threat to you know,
some other establishments as far as leagues go, when it
comes to you know, football or basketball or whatever. If
this could be the start of what else could happen here?
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I do wonder, Well, I think that that's a that's
a very interesting proposition. I would be curious to hear
what Q would have to say on this, because you
know he he always brings the numbers and the evidence,
and you know he breaks out his copious notes of
all things like this. But I would say, I would
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wonder what would be like to think about it? You're
you're talking about a public fund in a place where
that money is the longest money I've heard of outside
of a few situations in Africa, but I've heard that
money is super super super long, like guarantee contracts. Why
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why not guarantee contracts? Oh, Deshaun Watson, you guys, Oh,
I can bring over the you know, Trevor Lawrence is
the Justin Herberts, the Tarik Hills. I can get, you know,
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
What, Yeah, I can.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Bring these players over. All I have to do is
give them guarantee contracts. Look at the money that they're
generating in the NFL. Let's infiltrate them. Let's start our
own league. Let's start giving their the best players that
they have, like a guaranteed amount on their contracts, and
let's start football teams. We can plug in the rest
(37:46):
of these guys. There's enough football players running around where
you can plug in the rest of these guys. These
are going to be the ones that are selling tickets
and making this thing go, Like, let's do it. Who's
to say that that isn't what could happen the.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Next Yeah, just the whole Rory McElroy and his just
crying about you know, I was never offered anything, and
it's blood money, and he just it's disgraceful what they've done.
But I mean, since we're here, I'll take some of
it as a make good you know, I'll take some
of your money as a make good Okay. So it's
(38:21):
blood money then, but now it's make good money, Okay.
I just I want to make sure that we've got
this clear. It's just the whole thing's hilarious, man, just
to see how many of these guys are so bitter
and just still are holding on to that.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Well, it needs to need to make it right for us.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
It's like you ever had like a piece of hair,
you find a piece of hair in your food at
a restaurant. You ever had that happen, or like, you know,
a fingernail.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Like something you drink. I've seen particles in my joe. Yeah,
that's really like that's a real big turn off.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
It's like if I saw something in my food, the
last thing I want is the same meal that I
just ordered that had like a piece of hair or
a fingernail my food. It's like when they come back
to the tails, it all will remake it for you. Yeah,
I don't want you to remake it, Like I just
I don't want to get that.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
You know, I'll get something.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
They remaking it.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
They just out yes and let it sit under the
heater for a minute and then put it back out there.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
It's like run it back out.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
It's like Roy mceleroy is saying, no, take this food back,
but they bring out the exact same one, and he says, Okay,
I guess now, I'll take it all. Right now, now
I'll take it, you know, as long as long as
you know part of its comp I guess now I'll
take it.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Just the whole The whole thing is comedy.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
Just you played it safe.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
You played it safe when others didn't, and know you
shouldn't be compensated for playing it safe. You shouldn't. Bottom
line is you shouldn't. And it's so crazy because now
you expose yourself for.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
Being a hypocrite.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Yep, totally agree, just by sitting there saying that, Like, okay,
so it wasn't really about being true Americans and patriotism
and all these things.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
It was about, like you.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Trying to preserve yourself self preservation. And on the other
side of this, when this crumbles in people's faces to
live toward that is, then we're the ones that look
like good, good, good patriots.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
We did it the right way. We're the good soldiers. Yeah, Well,
what happens when the.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Team you're a part of, the myth, the soldier team,
the soldier group you're a part of, sells out to
the enemy like you you thought you won the war,
but you had only won a battle should the war
was still being waged. And clearly whoever chose live and
took those big ass bags of money, they won the
(40:42):
war in the end, and they're probably going to be
taken care of and they're probably going to be reverenced
by the people that did the deals with them early on,
because you don't get this deal done unless the golfers
that join not only joined, but.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Played well, play well in the PGA.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
And I would love to know how many of the
golfers that joined the live tour. I would love to
know how many of them joined just for the money,
or how many of them joined, yes because of the money,
but also because hey, dude, we're going to end up
in the same spot anyways, so why not take the money, Like, yeah,
we got to wear it for a couple of years,
but eventually we're all going to be in the same spot.
(41:23):
And the PGA Tour, with all its flaws, can't just
continue to say no to this type of cash, knowing
what it could do to the entire sport and everybody
involved in it. I wonder how many of them said,
this is our opportunity to make on top of what
we're going to make when we finally joined forces together.
This is what our opportunity to make an extra hundred
(41:44):
million dollars knowing what was down the road. Because I
get the feeling guys like Phil Mickelson, Greg Norman has
been all about this for years now. You mentioned Donald
Trump who predicted this, what was it a couple of
years ago or last year saying cheery, predict take take
the money. It's going to happen eventually. I wonder how
many people also had the same thought. And that's part
(42:05):
of the reason why they did this, because they said,
we'll take the blowback for two years, but that hundred
million dollars you can't get back. And and and the
way we go with the living PGA relationship that moves forward,
it's it's pretty funny to watch. It's two pros and
a cup of Joe here. Fox Sports Radio. It's LeVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn or not Brady Quinn. That was a Freudian
slip there, I have it.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
Sorry, I mean he is a part of this show.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5 (42:28):
He's just not in.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
He's not here. Yeah, but LeVar Arrington and Jonas Knocks
are here. That's what I know. Yes, yes he is.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Not.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Forget everybody realized.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
People still want to know what happened to Berto too,
They said, what happened to Berto and Brady?
Speaker 5 (42:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Yeah, back into me a little different, you know, package deal.
We can't.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
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