June 28, 2024 • 56 mins
It's a Football Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, and the Lakers actually take LeBron's son, Bronny in the 2nd round of the Draft. Jags owner, Shad Khan puts Doug Pederson on notice and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple.
Joe with Lamar airings, Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on
Box Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feel in here after one of
the most stunning turn of events that we've seen in
recent memory. Can you believe it? The Lakers, just by
pure coincidence, draft Lebron James's son at pick fifty five
in the second round. I am shocked, are you no?
And that's the problem, And that's how I think.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm gonna wait on y'all.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I'm gonna let y'all go because I want to hear
where y'all coming from.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I'm excited.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
I mean, for again, I've said this from day one.
It's a cool thing for Lebron and now Bronny get
getting to play together. I mean, we assume Lebron's gonna
opt out, but sign back. That's at least the most
recent report, which if that was reported out there, it
might have been dangled out there before the draft as
an incentive for the Lakers two to Bronni James to
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get back Lebron James. I mean, let's be honest with ourselves.
This league is built on superstars. If you don't have one.
What are you selling? That's just the reality of it.
And even in Lebron at this point in time in
his career, it's probably not so much about winning championships.
Maybe it is for him, maybe there's a shot to
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do it, but it's also about the spectacle. It's also
about seeing one of the greatest of all time at
the end of his career.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
There's still a draw that still polls people in LA.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Maybe even from a TV network standpoint, as he continues
to keep crushing every record. Right, So now you have
this other story to throw in there, which creates intrigue,
creates curiosity, Like I get it from that perspective, I don't.
I'm not gonna be critical of him or them, and
I'm not gonna be critical of him of utilizing the
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power that's been given to him.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
And it's not just by the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
We have Petris Kamani to talk about how bad the
Lakers ownership has been. It's the NBA because teams en franchises,
they feel like they have.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
To do this in order to be relevant.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
So that is as big of an issue with the
NBA and the style of the NBA and how it
works where it's a league of superstars and they come
way before whatever team they play for because of the
shoe deals, because of how much FaceTime they get on TV,
as opposed to other sports like football, where you're sitting
in a helmet. You know, you're not out there selling
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a basketball shoe that you can also wear as a
sneaker around town. Guys will try. It's not as successful
that way. So I just I think when people are
critical of this, it's really a byproduct to me of
the way the league is and the way it's run.
And so, as I've said from day one, I'm more
curious and intrigued to see how this works. And I'm
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not going to be critical of Browny and what he
is or what he is and as a prospect, I mean,
I think the tough thing is why watching college basketball
this year, you watch some of the guys got draft
around him, You're like, those guys had really good years.
You know, I said this before. Antonio Reeves, the shooting
guard for Kentucky. I've watched Kentucky for a while. He's
a really good player. Cam Spencer really good player. They
won a national championship at Yukon. Those are guys who
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got drafted maybe a few picks before him, and it's
just not even on the same level. So there's gonna
have a lot of development and we'll see where things go.
But he's gonna have that time because as long as
Lebron's on that roster, Brian's gonna have a spot as well.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I mean, I Lebar, you won't take it or no, no,
So I was listen. Thank God, the fact that, look,
I play baseball with my son at the park every day.
The fact that Lebron's getting to do this at from
a professional level. I don't think if you're a dad,
if you're the son who has a dad, wouldn't want
this unless you got some relationship issues and that's something
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you got to figure out on your own. But this
is awesome. That's great. From a life standpoint, super cool,
and it's really once in a lifetime opportunity that we've
ever seen this happen. From an NBA standpoint, We've never
seen a father son duo play together. We've seen Ken Griffy,
Ken Griffy Junior played it like. This is really cool
and really awesome from a basketball standpoint. If this is
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where they're at, then I don't want to really hear
about well, you know, maybe they're trying to, you know,
compete for championships, and they're trying to do that, and
that's that's fine. We've seen this before. Kobe getting the
contract at the end from the Lakers. Everybody knew. Listen,
the writing's on the wall, the end is near. Why
is he getting this contract. He's gonna set the organization back.
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They were okay with it because they were thinking headlines
when they drafted Lonzo Ball when you had great players
sitting there like de Aaron Fox or Jason Tatum, that
was because he was an LA guy. And Magic Johnson
had the big press conference talking about we're going to
raise his jersey to the to the rafters and all that.
I just I look at it and I go, you
can't really take them serious as a title contender. If
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this is the direction and this is the angle that
they're trying to take when it comes to building this
basketball team, they're basically people have said, well, they're being
held hostage by Lebron. Okay, that's fine, But to Brady's point,
Lebron James is still a top five player in the NBA,
and he is the most discussed player in the NBA
and in the conversation, one of the most discussed players
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on the planet. So from that standpoint, I look at
him and go is what it is. Pick fifty five
is not going to mean munch, which is appropriate because
they're not going to mean much in the title picture
when it comes to next year. I think they've fallen
behind a lot of other teams, and that was before
Minnesota got great and before Dallas figured something out with
Luke and Kyrie. And to me, I look at it,
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it is what it is. It'll be a spectacle, but
it's super cool for the James family.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Strategically, speaking from a planning standpoint, a managing standpoint, execution standpoint,
Lebron is hands down the goat. Like there's not a
conversation about Lebron James and how he handles his business.
That man has just leveraged getting his child drafted.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
You know how many.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Draft spots draft slots there are in an NBA draft,
fifty eight fifty eight draft slots in the NBA draft,
and Lebron James was able to get Bronni James with
virtually nobody of work from the college level, none into
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that fifty eight picks if we're being totally honest, Like,
let's just be totally honest, because I know y'all call
me a hater, but you know, I just like calling
calling it how I see it, and it just comes
a pause.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I don't use the word hater. I just want to
throw that out there.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I don't know either.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Jonas probably does. But that being said, I switch you
to know I will not use the word hating.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
All right, Okay, And when it comes to I'm not
a hater, I wouldn't describe you as a hater. I
might say I'm hating, but not a hater. Yeah, I'm
not a hater.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Well, I also say you're not hating, you're just stating.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I'm stating I am stating. Yeah, there there's and yeah,
you're not.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Facting, You're you're just you know, compacting the information.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
You know.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Yeah, yeah, well here's a tad bit of facting. You
can probably find another fifty prospects that have better and
in fact that you a cheap You just steep you know, dang,
it's pretty good. Y'all sound like like like kindergarten class.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Uh, thank you?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, y'all haven't gotten to like third fourth grade in
Penn School, yet in kindergarten. But that's I like the
lingos pretty good. Uh, you could find fifty more prospects
in this year's draft class that had way way better accolades,
way better stats, and way way better of a body
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of work to be able to make an educated decision
on bringing this prospect onto your team.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
That's one. Two.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
I would challenge anyone to go into the annals of
the draft and find me one guy who has ever
been drafted that has done so little for whatever reason.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Find me one. That's two. Three.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
This is what really is kind of it kind of
comes across to me as this was more ego driven
more than anything else, which is fine, totally fine. I
mean it doesn't really matter. But you have at the
Lakers in the position where they were going to do
what you wanted to do, just based off of the
things that you guys kind of highlighted on. He was
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not going to get drafted, so why not just sign them?
Why not sign them like there wasn't going to be
a mad dash to get him in free Agency's one.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
More roster spot though, that's the problem. He just to
compete with to make it right, well, there you go,
there you go.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Not only that, but but the idea, which I mean
at the end of the day, was he really going
to have to compete for the roster spot, and and
and in the end, in the end, when you think
about him getting the draft pick, you can say that
Bronni got drafted in the NBA draft. He wasn't a
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free agent. He got drafted. I started thinking back. You guys,
remember it was like maybe a year or so ago
that that lebron Jay was kind of setting the table
for getting ready to pull this caper off in the
NBA draft when he started saying and he said it,
and maybe it was in this podcast, maybe it was
(10:12):
somewhere else, but he made the statement, my son or
Bronnie something to this point. I don't quote me on it,
but it was something to this context.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
He my son is.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Better than some of these guys that I'm playing against
in the NBA right now today. And Bronnie was in
high school. He was in high school when he said this,
Bronnie's better than some of these guys I'm playing against
every night in the NBA. I was like, oh, here
we go, Like you already know what that is. He's
already planting the seeds. Now here's what I'll say. I'll
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add on to what you were saying, Q and what
you are also saying Jonas in the sense that you
have a megastar, a goat of goats that is playing
on your team and you don't want to see him leave.
If you have a GM an owner, and a head
coach that is supportive of the decisions that are being
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made personnel wise for the players, and you have the
star of the team that is supportive of it as well,
then there's no there's no reason to not take the
prospect because you're gonna want to make sure that that
kid you know, is able to to kind of be
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around if he's going to be around, if he's indeed
going to be around, and if you have a superstar
player that wants the kid around, then he's going to
be around. That's just the simple of it. So it
makes sense in a not making sense type of way.
It doesn't make sense that a kid, no matter what
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his name is, would ever get drafted based off of
the scenarios that play out outside of this side of this.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
One, this would probably be the only one.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
This would be the equivalent of a Make a Wish
Foundation situation, if I if I'm if I'm being totally
honest and I'm not, I'm not outraging at all.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Support make a Wish Now, I don't want to like
compare it to say, why not there's a lot of
kids who are sick in tough spots. Man, Can we
can we get off that can.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Make a pick?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Can we do it to make a pick foundation?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Like, I mean, why not? I'm sensitive to it? Can
I can I ask? Can I ask you this question?
If your son and I don't know what school is
gonna pick, he isn't picked yet, right, No, he hasn't picked.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Okay, if he came to you and said that I
want to carve my own path, I assume there's a
portion of you that would be inside upset, and but
a portion of you that understood it too, right it.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
No, he has his own path. He's already had his
own path. Well, I get that.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
I'm saying that had a strategy, right, but going to
Penn State, I'm saying would kind of be following that?
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Like I guess, I'm just trying to I'm trying to
show like if there is I can't.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I can't relate to what I can't relate to if
my kid didn't earn it that he should have it,
I can't relate.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
And again I'm not I'm not making that comparison or
even have special whether or not they earned it, Okay, right,
because if my son wasn't able to earn going getting
recruited in the first place by Penn State, it wouldn't
matten like it would be.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
It would be more of the equivalent of me calling
Penn State and saying, because of who I am, bring my.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Son to Penn State. So I'm not asking you him
because of me.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
From from your perspective in regards to that, I'm asking
you as a father if like your son and said
to you, like, hey, you know, I don't know that
I want to follow in your footsteps here, Like I
guess I'm just wondering if through all of this, we're
we're all assuming this is what lebron wants, Like what
what Bronny want?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I mean, I mean, I think that's a it's a
great question. Q. I think that's a great question, and
and and and as far as relating it to me,
I'll just say super quickly for me, he is following
in my footsteps. He plays football, he's a he's a
linebacker and an AS rusher. How much more of my
footsteps does he need the follow it? He plays the
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position I play, he plays the game the way I
play it, and everything that he is is getting and
has has received has been the hard way. He's He's
been taken through the hard journey of getting there. And
I'm not saying that to diminish what what Bronnie James
is doing. I'm just saying for me, I don't look
at things I'm as hard. I'm probably harder on my
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kids as I am on myself, damn on anyone else.
And so for me, when I look at just the
factual information his stat line, even from high school, there's
nowhere in his career where you can say his stat
line would lend to what the achievement is. And to me,
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I just feel like, if I'm looking at it from
a are you following in the footsteps of me as
a father? And I would have to say, you're not
following in my footsteps because you didn't do what was
necessary for it to be viewed that way. And listen,
maybe he gets in and maybe he shows the world
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and people like me who are considered to be critical
or nay saying the situation. But as it stands right now,
just at face value, there's a mother, there's a father
that wanted their kid to follow in their footsteps. There's
a a brother that that a grandmom that that did
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what they needed to do for their kid, their grandkid
or their their brother or you know, to have this
this opportunity, and they might have gotten the fifty fifth
spot on to the Lakers, but that ain't gonna happen now,
because there was bigger fish to fry. I mean, and
it sounds kind of like corny, but at the end
of the day, there was somebody else that had a
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dream and was probably more qualified to receive that that
that gift of getting drafted versus Bronnie James.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I mean, I'm just keeping it one hundred, that's all.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Those guys my opinion, my opinion.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Maybe those guys will find a spot on the Lakers
after Bronnie gets cut after a summer league.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
I don't say he's not going to get cut.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Now, you don't think so.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
But now it just it all makes sense. It just
all makes sense as to why as to why the
whole coaching situation went the way that it did, the
way Lebron handled saying he's opting out everything aligned, Paul
getting out, the agent getting out there saying this isn't
a package deal. As Q has mentioned so many times before,
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and it's so true, these agents tell you what they
what they want you to know, what they want you
to hear, and then they put it in the hands
of the people in the media to put it out
there as well, so it becomes believable. And they executed
a plan, and they executed it to perfection. They stole
a draft spot right in front of our faces.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yes, and we loved it. Yeah, Like there you go.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's like it's they're not the owners of the franchise,
what they may as well be. It's like somebody who's
renting a house, but the owner of the house dictates
to them, like listen, we get it. Whatever you want
to do here, that's fine and wet we're not big
fans of it, but don't worry about it. Right right,
run the house into the ground. It's not your name
on it, but that's okay. And that that's what they've done.
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And he's got the Barer.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Figure out how to cross the bridge when we get
there whatever, well, when it gets really out of the way.
I mean, we'll figure it out when we get to
the bridge.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
But we got Lebron James right now, so let's let's
just worry about that.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
I mean that that is, I think that is.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
I think the point though, right is like after Kobe,
what happened is Franchi glad.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
In this team.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Were Lakers games still a thing where people from the
t O going out to Lakers games, strutting.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Around by the two thousand, a little bit of a hike.
You know, were you.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Here for You're dodging golf balls.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Out there, man, you know, you know, be careful, bro,
watch out for those pro v ones.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
It's northern Tijuana too, Okay. You know it goes down,
don't you.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Some tailor made t P five x's or something at
the at the intersection of Jonas Callaway and uh.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Taylor made is that? Is that where we're at.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
And when it comes to the DC, get down and Espaniel,
come on, man, don't bring the end laws into this,
all right, by the way, I do quattro.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
This is this was more this part of the conversation
was more interesting to me though.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
That is what my teacher always said.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Lee, your teacher always said kayak kaya a Lee.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
What they said, I don't know what it meant, but
I mean sit down, okay. Lee's Spanish teacher was professor.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
We were looking for get down.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Lorna came to us with sit down, professor.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Would shut up?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
All right?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
May be quiet?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Well look, I mean I do think, I do think
it's important and this, this really is the most important
part of this conversation.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
We got to yet.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Come on, man, you know we finally here, right, Football
Friday is really.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Come on?
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Yeah yeah, that's football.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Friday, Friday, fall Friday. Come on, come on, come on,
come on?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah yeah, come on yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
All right, that's enough for that. That'sough for that. I
feel like Joe Biden's more.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
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Speaker 2 (20:49):
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Speaker 3 (20:51):
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Speaker 3 (20:54):
In there? I just snut in I heard it. I
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Speaker 2 (22:00):
So this is kind of interesting, and I don't know
if maybe I'm reading too much into this, but this
is a story that came out in the NFL. So
shod Cohn, who is uh? Which, by the way, I
demand if we're going to talk Jaguars at any point
throughout the course of the season, can we please play
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Shaka Khan? Like, if we're going to talk Jags, we
just got to play whatever the beginning is to that song.
But Shod Cohn, the owner of the Jaguars, he spoke
with Mark Long of the AP the Associated Press about
the team, and you tell me whether or not this
feels like all of the attention and all of the
focus goes to Doug Peterson and whether or not Doug
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Peterson's on the hot seat. So there was a couple
of things that he discussed on the play calling, because
apparently Doug Peterson split handed over play calling duties last year.
Shod Cohn said, quote, yeah, I have an opinion, but
I don't want to tell people what we need to
do because then things don't work out. They look at
me and say, we did it because you wanted it.
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He also pointed out in a recent column in The
New York Times and there was a line that indicated
could Doug Peterson's future be hanging in the balance in
twenty twenty four, and he said, quote, if I were
in that situation, I'd want my hands on the wheel.
Doug he's empowered. I'm going to let him decide. He
also talked about these struggles last year and he said,
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the following injuries are a part of the game. We
had some of those injuries, but I think it's an
organizational failure that had happened. All of those players I
talked to. It's like, how could this happen? What happened
for me? It really is a cause for self reflection
and then something good could come out of it, because
we just can't have that again this year. End quotes
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that to me feels like Doug Peterson's been put on notice.
I expect more out of you. You've never finished below
five hundred in the two years that you've been a
head coach for the Jacksonville Jaguars. But apparently going into
this year, based on what happened last year, either they
get it done or the Jags are in the market
for a new head coach next year. Am I crazy
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to read that much into it.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
I think the decision to extend Trevor Lawrence leads you
down the path of kind of getting a sense for all, right,
this is where the organization feels like they got it right,
and that's the drafting of Trevor Lawrence because they're now
onto their second head coach and Doug Peterson, and they
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brought him in to work with a young quarterback to
help develop this young quarterback. I think that was the
thought process behind the jump for Carson Wentz and his
rookie year when they're naming it Wentzel Vane and all that,
and Doug Peterson was part of that staff.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
You know. That's at least how it looks on the
onset is.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
They are looking at this year as a crucial year
for Doug Peterson and because it's not so much the
players and how they've built this roster, which maybe you
could make that case. To me, the biggest issue I
see with this team, at least last year was their
offensive line. The protection was spotty, and they've they've addressed it,
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so they should be improved. But it's also been the
play calling, you know, and there's been an internal debate
between you know, Press Taylor calling plays Doug Peterson, who
ultimately is going to be calling the plays or should
be calling the plays. Everything fuels horizontal. It feels like
they're trying to stretch the field horizontally. There's no threat
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to a defense vertically, And again that could be based on, hey,
we don't feel like, we've got that guy to stretch
the field vertically, and this is what we're going to
try to do to help create space for playmakers to
make plays right, spread things out, try to stretch the field,
sideline the sideline. But as LeVar would tell you, like
that really doesn't scare a defense. You know, you've got
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to be able to have speed and guys who can
create big plays where it puts pressure on the rush,
puts press on the coverage, puts pressure on everyone. And
they didn't demonstrate that last year. So they need to
incorporate more of it, you know. But I think who's
calling those players, who's making those decisions on offense well
largely determine what happens.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
For the Jacks of season.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
I think it's so critical for Trevor Lawrence after getting
that uh, you know, extension, as you mentioned, it's critical
for him to become the quarterback that everybody has expected
him to become. I think he's done well and at
times has been has been really really encouraging to see
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what he's able to do. But I think if we're
all being honest, if we're looking at Trevor Lawrence and
what his projection was coming out of college.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I think he's come up short.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
On on on what what he has been expected to be.
And I think that's solely it's solely after doing the extension.
I would say it solely falls at the feet of
the coaching staff because you clearly don't think that it's
Trevor Lawrence, and I would be in agreeance with that.
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I don't think that Trevor Lawrence not being a top
five quarterback in the National Football League by now is
because Trevor Lawrence is incapable of doing it at the
NFL level. And so if you got to figure out
what's the reason, you got to start with the head coach.
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And then now the head coach is on notice, so
the head coach had better identify why Trevor Lawrence has
not become more of what he's needed to become since
coming into the National Football League. And I think that
that's ultimately what this is all about, is that you
have a small market team, you got a generational talent
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and Trevor Lawrence, and Trevor Lawrence hasn't been exactly everything
that he's been advertised to be coming into the league.
I think that's a tough one. That's a tough one
to have to. If I'm Shad Cod and I know
I can pack my stadium out.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I'm starting to sound nasally. My sons are crazy right now?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
A blow snot rocket on the air right now?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yeah, well that's kind of funny. Look I had this
little little sniff though.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
That's why what Jonas does after he like says something
kind of you know, witty, that's a little snut rocket.
He's kind of yeah, that is true.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
He does, do not go tells doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Anyway.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I think that that's kind of you know, you want
to be able to sell your stadium. You want to
be able to leverage if you want to, you know,
get a new stadium built, or you want to go
over seas, whatever it may be that they're looking to leverage.
Trevor Lawrence is a major part of this. And I
think the entire storylind of this whole entire conversation is
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probably based around Trevor Lawrence. What is Trevor Lawrence going
to be this year and moving forward? And Doug Peterson
had better figure out how to get the best out
of him and get him to transition from where he's at,
Like he's on the cusp to being on the other
side of being on the cusp to being like that guy.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
That's what I would say.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Is there something to maybe Doug Peterson. I don't know
if rubbing people the wrong way is the term to
go with, or maybe wearing out his welcome because he
did great things in Philly and it wasn't long after
they won a Super Bowl and they did historic things
together that they had to move on from him. And
then he gets to Jacksonville and if you look down
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the list of coaches that have been there, man Gus
Bradley got a long leash, so did Doug Moron. None
of them had success early on like Doug Peterson did. Again,
as mentioned, never finished below five hundred since he's been there.
Yet the owner picks this offseason to come out and say,
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as to go, as far as he's on the hot seat,
we need more, and it's like, well, what happened in
the previous regimes that are different than this one, especially
coming off what happened with Urban Meyer and that whole situation.
I wonder maybe if Doug Peterson, if this is another
example of you know, maybe he doesn't work well with
some owners and maybe he doesn't you know, there's a
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little bit of friction there. Maybe that's why there could
be the potential of him being out this year because
they haven't shown this sort of impatience before with other
head coaches outside of what happened with Urban Meyer, which
is sort of a one off situation.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
May and Om had, Trevor Lawrence, none of them. Yeah, okay,
and I think I would say, yeah. I think to
Lvar's point, I think the the objective is very clear.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
When Doug Peterson got.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
There, and you know, you you make it to the
divisional round in the first year, you feel like you're
taking steps back.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I mean, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who
didn't think this team took a step back last year.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
And meanwhile in your division, like Houston's getting better, Indianapolis
is going to be competitive. You know, not sure where
Tennessee is going to finish up, but everyone around you
you feel like it's.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Getting better, and so you got to make a move.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
And they I think they have enough this offseason to
not like necessarily say they're.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Going all in for this year.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
I mean, I feel like most teams feel like when
they have a quarterback, they're always going all in right,
that windows never closing, but that there's a very clear
objective maximize Trevor Lawrence. You know, go try to win
a Super Bowl and if you can't. And I feel
like there's a lot of owners who are probably sitting
here right now who feel this sort of pressure is
there's a guy named Bill Belichick who's you know, kind
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of sitting out there for you. There's that big fish
that why not give him a call? I mean, worse
ticking save you is no, And you know'd he'd want
to get back into it and you'd know he'd want.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
To be a place where, hey, he's back on the
East Coast.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
He's got a quarterback that you know you can believe
in too, he's got pieces on defense, Josh Allen's phenomenal
off the edge. Like with with Bill Belichick out there,
until he says he's done done, he's not going to coach.
I feel like for most owners who are looking critically
at their head coach, they've got this window and they're saying, well,
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I can bring him in. I've got a two to
three four year whatever it is, you know, whatever Bill
Belichick wants to do.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
But as long as he's out.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
There and he hasn't said I'm done coaching, and that's
a possibility. It puts more pressure on any coaches on
the hot seat or any coach that has underachieved or
took a step.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Back last year. And Doug Peterson sits in that category.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
By the way, that's a great call, and nobody's mentioned
Jacksonville's a potential landing spot for Belichick with a with
a quarterback already in place. That could make a ton
of sense because all we've heard about is, you know,
the Cowboy Is, the Eagles, places like that. But you know,
maybe Jacksonville is the spot there, you know, a nice
place to uh to go ahead and get that wins
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record in that division. That could be fun. So look
at you pointing out So can we run with that?
Lee on Twitter? Please? On Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
From Menticu Belichick to Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Brady Quinn says the Jaguars should fire dub Peterson and
hire Bill. Jeez, we could just.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Go with that.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Am I wrong in the assessment that if you were,
if you were any owner out there with Bill Belichick?
I just I feel like that's gonna be a conversation.
By the way, so let's just not stop at Belichick.
Like Mike Rabel's out right now. Mike Vrabel would be
an awesome fit down in Jacksonville. Like he's another one
that you've got some guys right now that I think
there's some owners that are probably having conversations saying, like,
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we've got this guy teed up. And for the most part,
you know, you think about you go offense and you
go defense.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
You know the next time is how you view.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Sometimes bring in head coaches easier to sell that way,
different change.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
And all that.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
But I mean there's there's multiple guys out there that
I think are putting pressure on current head coaches because
they've had good stints in the past whatever has or
hasn't worked out. But I mean the goat and Bill
Belichick is number one there. But even again v Abel,
look at his resume, He's another one that comes to
mind that you could easily step in there.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
I think provide a spark to that franchise, in that team.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
It's like finding out the rocket ship down the street
just got single. All of a sudden, everybody perks up.
Anybody who's got a relationship on thin ice, as.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
If you could get the rocket ship down the street.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
It's like the way she laughs. You know, it kind
of bothers me the way she laughs. You know it's
going to get on your nerves a little bit more.
Didn't notice it before, but now it's like bothering.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
You a little better a sudden.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Maybe the perfume. You're like, yeah, I don't really like
that perfume. She could change it, but you know, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
All of a sudden, your eyes have opened. You can't
even believe it.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
What's the way? How does she chew her food like that?
What's that noise she makes shoes her food?
Speaker 5 (34:58):
It's like little things start to like pop up.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
You're like, wait a.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Second, wait, is that her sock she left in the
living room? No, that's mine, but it looked like hers.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Her fault, not really, Yeah, she could use yours for
cutting board, good point, geez backscratcher too well.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Listen, that is I just don't get it.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 2 (35:32):
There's no better way to celebrate a football Friday to
talk about a second round draft pick in the NBA
draft from last night, and that would be none other
than Bronnie James, who goes number fifty five to the
Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
What I just said? What I just said?
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Yeah, hey, doesn't that create complications?
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I mean the.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Worst joke of all last night was the whole like,
oh lebron James been sleeping with you know, a second
round picks mom.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
It's like, well, yeah, we get it. We get it, man,
we get it. I mean no, I mean like obviously
like this their child.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
It's accurate, but it's like, how many more people can
say this on social media and act like that's an original,
Like they it's so creative.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
And you know, like the four thousandth person who sent
that same joke out, you know how many times they
probably look to see how many likes and retweets a
guy going this is the wild.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Don't get me started on that.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
I got twenty some text about the debate last night,
and it was pretty much all the same clip, and
I'm like, why are we This isn't good. This isn't
good for anyone. I don't care what side you're on,
Like that is not good for there shouldn't be with sides.
There shouldn't be side.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
This is America. We all watched that and we're like,
you know, like I just this is America, and anything
is possible. Anything, it's possible. You know what else too
is we did it. We did it, We.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Did it, we did it.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
He would be careful about those slogans like that. One's
not gonna carry.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
You know, we did it. It's not gonna we did
it all.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
Of a sudden's gonna be on a T shirt like
we did it, sweety.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
You can apply that to a lot of things, you know, like.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Yeah, haktua, it'll make it on a shirt though, I
think that will work.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
You know, you just don't get it.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
I don't understand what you don't get it?
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Hey, can I ask you guys this though, like I
know this, you asked me earlier about relating to this
with my son and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
I have sons, right, I.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Got I got one that's twenty four now and man
Man seventeen, so you know he's yeah, right, So at
some point, like it's getting very it's getting dangerously close.
At some point, I am going to party with both
my sons that there's I mean there's potentially there's nothing
(38:13):
wrong with that. And I'm gonna just say potentially there's
nothing wrong with I mean, that's your built in I mean,
who you're going to trust more right, being with your
your own, your own you know, Pride of Lions. You
know their mains are coming in and we're all out.
Like man man's taller than me. Keno is a yoke like.
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Keno's like training to do like swim trunks, like competitions,
like he wants to become a pro and bodybuilding.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
He's like going, oh, he's getting after it, and I
hang out.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
I've hung out with Keno, and now he's got an
opportunity to see what it's like to hang out with dad.
It's gonna be really interesting when I'm with both of them.
I'm just assuming going on the road as an NBA
team and the things that you experience, and you see
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you're now going to have your son doing that with you.
I mean, do you do you do the like the
censored version of it, or do you just this is
what it is to be in the league, or what
Like how does that work?
Speaker 6 (39:24):
I mean, how does that work?
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Honesty is always the best approach, you.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Know, and I don't know what honesty is, like I don't.
I mean, but I'm saying I don't know what that
honesty is. But I'm just saying that's got to be
pretty interesting to I mean, I'm sure he's experienced a
lot being around his dad, but I mean, wouldn't you
think that it's going to be a different experience being
his teammate. Now, somebody said my daughter, My daughter said yesterday,
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she was like, she's like Broni's now his dad's equal.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
I was like, no, well, dang, this is his teammate.
I mean, it is his teammate.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Now, now will you? Will you venture down the path
of I'm really gonna do this or that.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
I don't think for me that would ever be an
option ever for me, not not ever.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Take maybe maybe with Keno, not with Man, maybe with
and I'll tell y'all why, Okay, I'm gonna text y'all.
I don't know this is this is going down West.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
I don't want to know this.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I'll say this right now.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
We talked too much, we think too much. I don't
want to know this.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
This is why the show is good and it's great
because it's it's different insight.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
You know, I can't wait to drink my son. I'll
tell you that right now.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
I cannot wait to get I got.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Right last year? What's that guy?
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Yeah, we had to sit there a little while longer
because I wasn't going to be able to walk out, Like.
We had to sit there, drink some water and didn't
even know that we got there, but the LaVar allens
were flowing. Man, Shoot, you read it, you read it? Yeah,
just being on.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
All right, So let's hear from Rob Polenka, the general manager,
the general manager.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Wheel of the car. Get us back on track.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
We get to the the the general manager of the
Los Angeles Lakers, Rob Polenka, who discussed, I.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Wish I could send that text out to everyone.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
He just he discussed why they took Brownie James, all
the positives that come along with it, and really try
to sell everybody on the idea of Bronnie James going
fifty five overall, why that was the pick for the Lakers.
Speaker 7 (42:08):
In the history of the NBA, there's never been a
father and a son that have shared an NBA basketball court,
and that feels like something that could be magical, and
we know and have to respect, of course, that Lebron
has a decision about his opt out, and I'm sure
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he and his family and his agent will deliberate what
they're going to do there, and of course he has
freedom to decide whatever's best for him and his family.
But if it worked out that he was on our
team next season, NBA history could be made, and NBA
history should be made in a Lakers uniform. Bronni is
first and foremost a person of high character, and second,
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he is a young man that works incredibly hard, and
those are the qualities we look for in drafting players
and adding to our development court at the Lakers. He
had a great draft to work out with us where
he displayed those qualities. To me in an hour lunch
that we shared in the building just to get to
know each other, became clear that he was a man
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of character in terms of his work ethic. I think
we've all seen that lived out too. He's not a
person that has ever taken shortcuts or expected or been
entitled about basketball opportunities. He's worked for everything that he's gotten,
including being selected today at fifty five. So it's an
honor for us to add him to our program. Coach
(43:34):
Reddick is already excited about putting a development plan around
him to increase his basketball skills and turn him into
the player that we think can impact and help this franchise.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Do you guys want to hear my draft profile on
the Brownie James?
Speaker 5 (43:49):
I mean, does a start off with six foot one
and a half half?
Speaker 2 (43:52):
No, I mean it's very similar to what Rob Polangka
just said, high character, hard worker, last name James. Like
that's that's really where it comes to Brownie James and
what he gets and what he's got going on for him,
like the idea entitlements. But this is the here's but
here's the problem. And this goes back to something that
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we've talked about before. It would be I would have
no issue if he came out and said, yeah, look,
we want him to be able to play with his dad.
We look, you guys feel how you want to feel
about it, that's fine, But we as an organization want
that magic and that moment to happen here with us.
And that's why we made this pick because we think
there's some potential there. We're going to work with him
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and hopefully that's something that can happen down the road.
But instead he's got to throw in well, hard work,
character high.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
It's like all entitles stop. You got to make sure
you throw in entitlement.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
It's the same thing when Lebron tries to when they
try and tell people all, well, you know this is
not you know, he had no say in the JJ Redickhier.
He didn't want to be involved. Stop Like there was
there was a story that came out that rich Paul
Lebron agent was calling teams picking ahead of the Lakers
in the second rounds asking them not to take Bronnie
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James because if you took him, he was just going
to go play in Australia. Who was going to take him?
Like they're like, he was not going to get drafted.
If the Lakers didn't take him, that's cap.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
But they tried calling around saying don't take him.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
That's so cap, that's that's that's the biggest that's the biggest,
baddest cap ever in the history of biggest baddest cap.
That is not true. That cannot be true at all.
Who at what point in time I heard Chris Brussard
on one of the promos, and I love Chris. I
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heard him on one of the promos talking about at
those points in the draft when you get a pick,
your pick is generally better than that draft spot and
that whole that might remain true here.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
That was from so former Warriors, former Warriors GM Bob Myers,
who's on ESPN NBA coverage. He's the one who said
that Rich Paul is calling teams telling him don't take
Brownie James, do not take him, take him. He's going
to Australia.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
Like it's just I mean, this is so good, this
is so don't take him. Like I'm calling, like, listen,
I'm telling y'all, don't take this kid that's averaging two
points two point five points a game.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Like what, right, he's how tall? Y'all said, he's how tall? Six?
Speaker 2 (46:32):
What that would be like me? One? That would be
like me walking up to LeVar and saying, hey, man,
whatever you do, do not steal my car.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
Exactly it, dude. I was like, whatever you do, don't
Like he hit his.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
Alarm on his car one time when I was getting out,
I'm like, are you are you? Like, first off, you
don't need an alarm at all for nobody. You can
take that into the pj's. Ain't nobody an eject taking
that truck. That thing will be right where it's stay
right it is. It would be an.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
Interesting deal to hear the other end of the line,
Like when they called, you know, and they're like, hey,
make sure not to They're probably like, right, they was
looking at the phone for the call.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yeah, but he made the call so he could say
he made the call.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
But right for letting us know, isn't that That's what
makes this nauseating to a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Yeah, but like the park.
Speaker 5 (47:30):
Look, this is where I've been with the NBA forever.
The NBA, the entire league has allowed this to happen.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
This isn't like just a Lakers thing. It's not.
Speaker 8 (47:41):
They've allowed clutch sports to have the clutch on the.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Entire league the way they do.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
They've they've allowed Lebron to do what he's done because
he is one of the greatest of all time. Like,
if we're being honest with ourselves, Michael Jordan probably had
equal amount of power way back then, even with the
commission that probably wasn't as I'm not gonna say subservient
like Adam Silver.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
But that's where we're at. Like this.
Speaker 5 (48:06):
This league feels like they need to play into storylines
like this in order to generate buzz, to generate Q.
Speaker 4 (48:15):
That man, Rob Polinka said it, He said it out
his mouth, that the storyline was intriguing. You drafted this
man off of a storyline, tell you.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
But that's but like, why are we surprised? That's where
the NBA is at?
Speaker 5 (48:35):
And this is what happens when a league which I
mean I would obviously the word the game and how
it's being played now. I do think players are as
skilled as they've ever been, but it's getting to the
point where you feel like the three point shot, something
there needs to be altered, because it feels like the
game has just become kind of too spread out, too
(48:55):
predictable and how things are going to go, and it's
not as of a product to watch anymore. I'm sorry
if NBA purists and people who are fans get upset
with me for saying that. Look, I love the game
of basketball, but how the game is played now compared
to how it was fifteen years ago, is dramatically different
and it doesn't feel like the same product or as entertaining.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
I'm sorry if that, If you would disagree with that.
That's just my opinion. But I feel like viewership decline would.
Speaker 5 (49:25):
Equate to that as well, because you still have stars,
you still have some of these rivalries, and you could
even say, well, what about you know these you know,
players all getting together. That's fine, Like if you have
a big three hund A team, I don't care because
it creates this villain almost like where everyone expects that
team to win, so if they don't, it ends up,
you know, appeasing so many other people out there, So
(49:45):
it still creates that storyline. The problem with the NBA
is they've leaned so hard into everything outside of basketball
itself and these sorts of storylines. I mean, I guess
you could say, hey, the NFL doesn't too, but not really,
what's the season it starts.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
It's the season. It's the season.
Speaker 8 (50:02):
We're not having a conversation or we're talking in the
off season about how this move could impact their season.
Like we're not talking about some of the stuff that
goes on off the field in almost any other sport
but the NBA. And that's that's what to me gets
a little frustrating with it is you've got as skilled
with players as we've ever seen, and we haven't really
(50:24):
figured out what to do with it to make it
a bigger, bigger and better product for TV. And I
guess you can sit there and say, well, even though
viewership's down, they people still keep network, still keep paying
more money for it, so it must be more valued.
I actually think it's the I think it's it's like
our society has lost so much creativity.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
We don't have good sitcoms anymore. Like we have lost.
Speaker 5 (50:45):
The ability to come up with new thoughts, new shows,
new anything, and so we were relying on like live sports,
relying on all that now instead of actually having a
show to tune in and watch. It's like, oh no,
if you don't have live sports, live news, like it's
got to be some of their appointment television that one
of these digital streaming platforms has created because the networks
(51:08):
can't figure out how actually write a good TV show anymore.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
I mean some of the game shows that are on
nowadays too, It's like, what the hell is this?
Speaker 5 (51:14):
It's crazy to see where things have gotten at this
point as far as the NBA. But I think it's
a byproduct of a lot of things. But mostly they're
owndoing and allowing this to happen.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
Those are such valid points.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
I mean, I think they can't keep up with how
good the content creators are these days. Right, they're becoming
a millionaires because they're creating content that people aren't just
really really into and just always checking back for. And
they can't keep up with it because they're small, small boats,
they're not big ships.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
Right.
Speaker 4 (51:47):
But and continuing just kind of looking at that conversation.
For me, just you know, I was I went through
the mental gymnastics of is it fair to do a
comparison of this? Was Isaiah Thomas on on that Pistons team,
Say it was Rip Hamilton on that that Pistons team
(52:09):
that won the championship, Say it was Michael Jordan. And
Michael Jordan did have a son that played.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Ball, He had two two.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
Two of them.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
Say say that was the case, and in Chicago, and
and Marcus was coming out or something to that that
that point, How would he be received by those players?
How how would that look if you put in and
what would like, let's just be clear on this, an
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inferior player to the rest of the guys on the roster,
how would they how would they react to that. How
would they handle that if you have to cut somebody,
which they're going to cut people, how are you going
to react.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
To that when that man is still on the roster?
Speaker 4 (52:59):
How how are you going How are you going to
feel internally as a team when you're sitting there and
people's heads is on the chopping block and Bronnie James
is sitting right there in his locker, comfortable with no entitlements,
hard work and the last name James.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
And think about this. Michael Jordan owned a team. This
could have happened. He could have made a call and
be like, hey, I own this thing, like you're taking
one of my sons. They're going to be a part of.
This never happened. That's why I would argue Lebron's probably
got more power than Michael Jordan did in the NBA
because the happened.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
I said it earlier.
Speaker 4 (53:36):
I said he's the go to goats in terms of
business because this is the I'm telling you, this is
like some Oceans twelve Oceans eleven. Man, he went in
there and he stole it. He stole pick fifty five.
That's what it should be. A Netflix special one day called.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
What Is It? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (53:55):
Pick fifty five, that's what it should be called. Pick
fifty five. I don't get it.
Speaker 5 (54:01):
I don't get I feel like though, the commissioners under
Jordan during his era right, which was David Stern for
the end, was a Russ Granick. I don't know, does
that sound like who was before? It was a Larry
Larry Brian, Larry O'Brien, Larry O'Brien. I feel like between
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Larry O'Brien and David Stern, they were stronger commissioners of
the NBA.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
And as you.
Speaker 5 (54:30):
Know, Michael Jordan became such a global brand combined with Nike,
that really empowered NBA basketball players to make a good
portion of money too off the court. And even though
they make a ton playing, there's also and I keep
bringing up the shoe opportunity because that's real. You know,
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NBA players can make so much money on their marketing
deals and globally going to Chine on all these different
international markets, and that that can line their pockets more
than anything else. It's what's made Michael Jordan what a
billionaire is it was his ability to help elevate Nike.
Without Michael Jordan, Nike's not Nike, Like, I'm sorry, I know.
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I mean, I've read Shoe Dog, I've heard Phil Knight's story.
We could talk Steve Prefontaine all we want, but Michael
Jordan is what made Nike Nike.
Speaker 4 (55:21):
And Marcus Jordan is making bank off of being a
Michael Jordan uh person.
Speaker 3 (55:29):
So sure, so maybe you get my point, Michael, what
it's like if you look from.
Speaker 5 (55:34):
Larry O'Brien to David Stern and the power of the
NBA back then before the shoe deals were as big,
But as you looked at Michael Jordan getting to the
end of his career after winning six championships and all
of that, then it became like, Okay, who's the next
Mike When Michael was done, and then we kept you know,
Lebron and.
Speaker 3 (55:54):
Kobe, and we looked for all these other guys.
Speaker 5 (55:55):
But then everyone started getting their own shoe And that's
where you kind of realize the these players have leverage
because it's not just what they negotiate with their individual
teams or any team in the league. It's also the
money they have flown in and with different sponsors but apparel.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
Great point, Yeah, great point. Man
This is the best of two pros and a couple.
Joe with Lamar airings, Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on
Box Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feel in here after one of
the most stunning turn of events that we've seen in
recent memory. Can you believe it? The Lakers, just by
pure coincidence, draft Lebron James's son at pick fifty five
in the second round. I am shocked, are you no?
And that's the problem, And that's how I think.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm gonna wait on y'all.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I'm gonna let y'all go because I want to hear
where y'all coming from.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I'm excited.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
I mean, for again, I've said this from day one.
It's a cool thing for Lebron and now Bronny get
getting to play together. I mean, we assume Lebron's gonna
opt out, but sign back. That's at least the most
recent report, which if that was reported out there, it
might have been dangled out there before the draft as
an incentive for the Lakers two to Bronni James to
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get back Lebron James. I mean, let's be honest with ourselves.
This league is built on superstars. If you don't have one.
What are you selling? That's just the reality of it.
And even in Lebron at this point in time in
his career, it's probably not so much about winning championships.
Maybe it is for him, maybe there's a shot to
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do it, but it's also about the spectacle. It's also
about seeing one of the greatest of all time at
the end of his career.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
There's still a draw that still polls people in LA.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Maybe even from a TV network standpoint, as he continues
to keep crushing every record. Right, So now you have
this other story to throw in there, which creates intrigue,
creates curiosity, Like I get it from that perspective, I don't.
I'm not gonna be critical of him or them, and
I'm not gonna be critical of him of utilizing the
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power that's been given to him.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
And it's not just by the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
We have Petris Kamani to talk about how bad the
Lakers ownership has been. It's the NBA because teams en franchises,
they feel like they have.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
To do this in order to be relevant.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
So that is as big of an issue with the
NBA and the style of the NBA and how it
works where it's a league of superstars and they come
way before whatever team they play for because of the
shoe deals, because of how much FaceTime they get on TV,
as opposed to other sports like football, where you're sitting
in a helmet. You know, you're not out there selling
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a basketball shoe that you can also wear as a
sneaker around town. Guys will try. It's not as successful
that way. So I just I think when people are
critical of this, it's really a byproduct to me of
the way the league is and the way it's run.
And so, as I've said from day one, I'm more
curious and intrigued to see how this works. And I'm
(02:54):
not going to be critical of Browny and what he
is or what he is and as a prospect, I mean,
I think the tough thing is why watching college basketball
this year, you watch some of the guys got draft
around him, You're like, those guys had really good years.
You know, I said this before. Antonio Reeves, the shooting
guard for Kentucky. I've watched Kentucky for a while. He's
a really good player. Cam Spencer really good player. They
won a national championship at Yukon. Those are guys who
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got drafted maybe a few picks before him, and it's
just not even on the same level. So there's gonna
have a lot of development and we'll see where things go.
But he's gonna have that time because as long as
Lebron's on that roster, Brian's gonna have a spot as well.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I mean, I Lebar, you won't take it or no, no,
So I was listen. Thank God, the fact that, look,
I play baseball with my son at the park every day.
The fact that Lebron's getting to do this at from
a professional level. I don't think if you're a dad,
if you're the son who has a dad, wouldn't want
this unless you got some relationship issues and that's something
(03:54):
you got to figure out on your own. But this
is awesome. That's great. From a life standpoint, super cool,
and it's really once in a lifetime opportunity that we've
ever seen this happen. From an NBA standpoint, We've never
seen a father son duo play together. We've seen Ken Griffy,
Ken Griffy Junior played it like. This is really cool
and really awesome from a basketball standpoint. If this is
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where they're at, then I don't want to really hear
about well, you know, maybe they're trying to, you know,
compete for championships, and they're trying to do that, and
that's that's fine. We've seen this before. Kobe getting the
contract at the end from the Lakers. Everybody knew. Listen,
the writing's on the wall, the end is near. Why
is he getting this contract. He's gonna set the organization back.
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They were okay with it because they were thinking headlines
when they drafted Lonzo Ball when you had great players
sitting there like de Aaron Fox or Jason Tatum, that
was because he was an LA guy. And Magic Johnson
had the big press conference talking about we're going to
raise his jersey to the to the rafters and all that.
I just I look at it and I go, you
can't really take them serious as a title contender. If
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this is the direction and this is the angle that
they're trying to take when it comes to building this
basketball team, they're basically people have said, well, they're being
held hostage by Lebron. Okay, that's fine, But to Brady's point,
Lebron James is still a top five player in the NBA,
and he is the most discussed player in the NBA
and in the conversation, one of the most discussed players
(05:25):
on the planet. So from that standpoint, I look at
him and go is what it is. Pick fifty five
is not going to mean munch, which is appropriate because
they're not going to mean much in the title picture
when it comes to next year. I think they've fallen
behind a lot of other teams, and that was before
Minnesota got great and before Dallas figured something out with
Luke and Kyrie. And to me, I look at it,
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it is what it is. It'll be a spectacle, but
it's super cool for the James family.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Strategically, speaking from a planning standpoint, a managing standpoint, execution standpoint,
Lebron is hands down the goat. Like there's not a
conversation about Lebron James and how he handles his business.
That man has just leveraged getting his child drafted.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
You know how many.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Draft spots draft slots there are in an NBA draft,
fifty eight fifty eight draft slots in the NBA draft,
and Lebron James was able to get Bronni James with
virtually nobody of work from the college level, none into
(06:42):
that fifty eight picks if we're being totally honest, Like,
let's just be totally honest, because I know y'all call
me a hater, but you know, I just like calling
calling it how I see it, and it just comes
a pause.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I don't use the word hater. I just want to
throw that out there.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I don't know either.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Jonas probably does. But that being said, I switch you
to know I will not use the word hating.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
All right, Okay, And when it comes to I'm not
a hater, I wouldn't describe you as a hater. I
might say I'm hating, but not a hater. Yeah, I'm
not a hater.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Well, I also say you're not hating, you're just stating.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I'm stating I am stating. Yeah, there there's and yeah,
you're not.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Facting, You're you're just you know, compacting the information.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
You know.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Yeah, yeah, well here's a tad bit of facting. You
can probably find another fifty prospects that have better and
in fact that you a cheap You just steep you know, dang,
it's pretty good. Y'all sound like like like kindergarten class.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Uh, thank you?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, y'all haven't gotten to like third fourth grade in
Penn School, yet in kindergarten. But that's I like the
lingos pretty good. Uh, you could find fifty more prospects
in this year's draft class that had way way better accolades,
way better stats, and way way better of a body
(08:16):
of work to be able to make an educated decision
on bringing this prospect onto your team.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
That's one. Two.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
I would challenge anyone to go into the annals of
the draft and find me one guy who has ever
been drafted that has done so little for whatever reason.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Find me one. That's two. Three.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
This is what really is kind of it kind of
comes across to me as this was more ego driven
more than anything else, which is fine, totally fine. I
mean it doesn't really matter. But you have at the
Lakers in the position where they were going to do
what you wanted to do, just based off of the
things that you guys kind of highlighted on. He was
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not going to get drafted, so why not just sign them?
Why not sign them like there wasn't going to be
a mad dash to get him in free Agency's one.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
More roster spot though, that's the problem. He just to
compete with to make it right, well, there you go,
there you go.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Not only that, but but the idea, which I mean
at the end of the day, was he really going
to have to compete for the roster spot, and and
and in the end, in the end, when you think
about him getting the draft pick, you can say that
Bronni got drafted in the NBA draft. He wasn't a
(09:51):
free agent. He got drafted. I started thinking back. You guys,
remember it was like maybe a year or so ago
that that lebron Jay was kind of setting the table
for getting ready to pull this caper off in the
NBA draft when he started saying and he said it,
and maybe it was in this podcast, maybe it was
(10:12):
somewhere else, but he made the statement, my son or
Bronnie something to this point. I don't quote me on it,
but it was something to this context.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
He my son is.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Better than some of these guys that I'm playing against
in the NBA right now today. And Bronnie was in
high school. He was in high school when he said this,
Bronnie's better than some of these guys I'm playing against
every night in the NBA. I was like, oh, here
we go, Like you already know what that is. He's
already planting the seeds. Now here's what I'll say. I'll
(10:47):
add on to what you were saying, Q and what
you are also saying Jonas in the sense that you
have a megastar, a goat of goats that is playing
on your team and you don't want to see him leave.
If you have a GM an owner, and a head
coach that is supportive of the decisions that are being
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made personnel wise for the players, and you have the
star of the team that is supportive of it as well,
then there's no there's no reason to not take the
prospect because you're gonna want to make sure that that
kid you know, is able to to kind of be
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around if he's going to be around, if he's indeed
going to be around, and if you have a superstar
player that wants the kid around, then he's going to
be around. That's just the simple of it. So it
makes sense in a not making sense type of way.
It doesn't make sense that a kid, no matter what
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his name is, would ever get drafted based off of
the scenarios that play out outside of this side of this.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
One, this would probably be the only one.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
This would be the equivalent of a Make a Wish
Foundation situation, if I if I'm if I'm being totally
honest and I'm not, I'm not outraging at all.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Support make a Wish Now, I don't want to like
compare it to say, why not there's a lot of
kids who are sick in tough spots. Man, Can we
can we get off that can.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Make a pick?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Can we do it to make a pick foundation?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Like, I mean, why not? I'm sensitive to it? Can
I can I ask? Can I ask you this question?
If your son and I don't know what school is
gonna pick, he isn't picked yet, right, No, he hasn't picked.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Okay, if he came to you and said that I
want to carve my own path, I assume there's a
portion of you that would be inside upset, and but
a portion of you that understood it too, right it.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
No, he has his own path. He's already had his
own path. Well, I get that.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
I'm saying that had a strategy, right, but going to
Penn State, I'm saying would kind of be following that?
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Like I guess, I'm just trying to I'm trying to
show like if there is I can't.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I can't relate to what I can't relate to if
my kid didn't earn it that he should have it,
I can't relate.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
And again I'm not I'm not making that comparison or
even have special whether or not they earned it, Okay, right,
because if my son wasn't able to earn going getting
recruited in the first place by Penn State, it wouldn't
matten like it would be.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
It would be more of the equivalent of me calling
Penn State and saying, because of who I am, bring my.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Son to Penn State. So I'm not asking you him
because of me.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
From from your perspective in regards to that, I'm asking
you as a father if like your son and said
to you, like, hey, you know, I don't know that
I want to follow in your footsteps here, Like I
guess I'm just wondering if through all of this, we're
we're all assuming this is what lebron wants, Like what
what Bronny want?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I mean, I mean, I think that's a it's a
great question. Q. I think that's a great question, and
and and and as far as relating it to me,
I'll just say super quickly for me, he is following
in my footsteps. He plays football, he's a he's a
linebacker and an AS rusher. How much more of my
footsteps does he need the follow it? He plays the
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position I play, he plays the game the way I
play it, and everything that he is is getting and
has has received has been the hard way. He's He's
been taken through the hard journey of getting there. And
I'm not saying that to diminish what what Bronnie James
is doing. I'm just saying for me, I don't look
at things I'm as hard. I'm probably harder on my
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kids as I am on myself, damn on anyone else.
And so for me, when I look at just the
factual information his stat line, even from high school, there's
nowhere in his career where you can say his stat
line would lend to what the achievement is. And to me,
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I just feel like, if I'm looking at it from
a are you following in the footsteps of me as
a father? And I would have to say, you're not
following in my footsteps because you didn't do what was
necessary for it to be viewed that way. And listen,
maybe he gets in and maybe he shows the world
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and people like me who are considered to be critical
or nay saying the situation. But as it stands right now,
just at face value, there's a mother, there's a father
that wanted their kid to follow in their footsteps. There's
a a brother that that a grandmom that that did
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what they needed to do for their kid, their grandkid
or their their brother or you know, to have this
this opportunity, and they might have gotten the fifty fifth
spot on to the Lakers, but that ain't gonna happen now,
because there was bigger fish to fry. I mean, and
it sounds kind of like corny, but at the end
of the day, there was somebody else that had a
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dream and was probably more qualified to receive that that
that gift of getting drafted versus Bronnie James.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I mean, I'm just keeping it one hundred, that's all.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Those guys my opinion, my opinion.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Maybe those guys will find a spot on the Lakers
after Bronnie gets cut after a summer league.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
I don't say he's not going to get cut.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Now, you don't think so.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
But now it just it all makes sense. It just
all makes sense as to why as to why the
whole coaching situation went the way that it did, the
way Lebron handled saying he's opting out everything aligned, Paul
getting out, the agent getting out there saying this isn't
a package deal. As Q has mentioned so many times before,
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and it's so true, these agents tell you what they
what they want you to know, what they want you
to hear, and then they put it in the hands
of the people in the media to put it out
there as well, so it becomes believable. And they executed
a plan, and they executed it to perfection. They stole
a draft spot right in front of our faces.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yes, and we loved it. Yeah, Like there you go.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's like it's they're not the owners of the franchise,
what they may as well be. It's like somebody who's
renting a house, but the owner of the house dictates
to them, like listen, we get it. Whatever you want
to do here, that's fine and wet we're not big
fans of it, but don't worry about it. Right right,
run the house into the ground. It's not your name
on it, but that's okay. And that that's what they've done.
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And he's got the Barer.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Figure out how to cross the bridge when we get
there whatever, well, when it gets really out of the way.
I mean, we'll figure it out when we get to
the bridge.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
But we got Lebron James right now, so let's let's
just worry about that.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
I mean that that is, I think that is.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
I think the point though, right is like after Kobe,
what happened is Franchi glad.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
In this team.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Were Lakers games still a thing where people from the
t O going out to Lakers games, strutting.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Around by the two thousand, a little bit of a hike.
You know, were you.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Here for You're dodging golf balls.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Out there, man, you know, you know, be careful, bro,
watch out for those pro v ones.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
It's northern Tijuana too, Okay. You know it goes down,
don't you.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Some tailor made t P five x's or something at
the at the intersection of Jonas Callaway and uh.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Taylor made is that? Is that where we're at.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
And when it comes to the DC, get down and Espaniel,
come on, man, don't bring the end laws into this,
all right, by the way, I do quattro.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
This is this was more this part of the conversation
was more interesting to me though.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
That is what my teacher always said.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Lee, your teacher always said kayak kaya a Lee.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
What they said, I don't know what it meant, but
I mean sit down, okay. Lee's Spanish teacher was professor.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
We were looking for get down.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Lorna came to us with sit down, professor.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Would shut up?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
All right?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
May be quiet?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Well look, I mean I do think, I do think
it's important and this, this really is the most important
part of this conversation.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
We got to yet.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Come on, man, you know we finally here, right, Football
Friday is really.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Come on?
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Yeah yeah, that's football.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Friday, Friday, fall Friday. Come on, come on, come on,
come on?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah yeah, come on yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
All right, that's enough for that. That'sough for that. I
feel like Joe Biden's more.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Here we go Friday night and the football Friday, Football Friday.
You had it throw the ball pass this Let.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Lamar, who do you come up?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Right now? What?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Who do you feel like? That?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
In there? I just snut in I heard it. I
just sneak. I just sneaks stuff in there.
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Speaker 2 (22:00):
So this is kind of interesting, and I don't know
if maybe I'm reading too much into this, but this
is a story that came out in the NFL. So
shod Cohn, who is uh? Which, by the way, I
demand if we're going to talk Jaguars at any point
throughout the course of the season, can we please play
(22:21):
Shaka Khan? Like, if we're going to talk Jags, we
just got to play whatever the beginning is to that song.
But Shod Cohn, the owner of the Jaguars, he spoke
with Mark Long of the AP the Associated Press about
the team, and you tell me whether or not this
feels like all of the attention and all of the
focus goes to Doug Peterson and whether or not Doug
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Peterson's on the hot seat. So there was a couple
of things that he discussed on the play calling, because
apparently Doug Peterson split handed over play calling duties last year.
Shod Cohn said, quote, yeah, I have an opinion, but
I don't want to tell people what we need to
do because then things don't work out. They look at
me and say, we did it because you wanted it.
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He also pointed out in a recent column in The
New York Times and there was a line that indicated
could Doug Peterson's future be hanging in the balance in
twenty twenty four, and he said, quote, if I were
in that situation, I'd want my hands on the wheel.
Doug he's empowered. I'm going to let him decide. He
also talked about these struggles last year and he said,
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the following injuries are a part of the game. We
had some of those injuries, but I think it's an
organizational failure that had happened. All of those players I
talked to. It's like, how could this happen? What happened
for me? It really is a cause for self reflection
and then something good could come out of it, because
we just can't have that again this year. End quotes
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that to me feels like Doug Peterson's been put on notice.
I expect more out of you. You've never finished below
five hundred in the two years that you've been a
head coach for the Jacksonville Jaguars. But apparently going into
this year, based on what happened last year, either they
get it done or the Jags are in the market
for a new head coach next year. Am I crazy
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to read that much into it.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
I think the decision to extend Trevor Lawrence leads you
down the path of kind of getting a sense for all, right,
this is where the organization feels like they got it right,
and that's the drafting of Trevor Lawrence because they're now
onto their second head coach and Doug Peterson, and they
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brought him in to work with a young quarterback to
help develop this young quarterback. I think that was the
thought process behind the jump for Carson Wentz and his
rookie year when they're naming it Wentzel Vane and all that,
and Doug Peterson was part of that staff.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
You know. That's at least how it looks on the
onset is.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
They are looking at this year as a crucial year
for Doug Peterson and because it's not so much the
players and how they've built this roster, which maybe you
could make that case. To me, the biggest issue I
see with this team, at least last year was their
offensive line. The protection was spotty, and they've they've addressed it,
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so they should be improved. But it's also been the
play calling, you know, and there's been an internal debate
between you know, Press Taylor calling plays Doug Peterson, who
ultimately is going to be calling the plays or should
be calling the plays. Everything fuels horizontal. It feels like
they're trying to stretch the field horizontally. There's no threat
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to a defense vertically, And again that could be based on, hey,
we don't feel like, we've got that guy to stretch
the field vertically, and this is what we're going to
try to do to help create space for playmakers to
make plays right, spread things out, try to stretch the field,
sideline the sideline. But as LeVar would tell you, like
that really doesn't scare a defense. You know, you've got
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to be able to have speed and guys who can
create big plays where it puts pressure on the rush,
puts press on the coverage, puts pressure on everyone. And
they didn't demonstrate that last year. So they need to
incorporate more of it, you know. But I think who's
calling those players, who's making those decisions on offense well
largely determine what happens.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
For the Jacks of season.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
I think it's so critical for Trevor Lawrence after getting
that uh, you know, extension, as you mentioned, it's critical
for him to become the quarterback that everybody has expected
him to become. I think he's done well and at
times has been has been really really encouraging to see
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what he's able to do. But I think if we're
all being honest, if we're looking at Trevor Lawrence and
what his projection was coming out of college.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I think he's come up short.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
On on on what what he has been expected to be.
And I think that's solely it's solely after doing the extension.
I would say it solely falls at the feet of
the coaching staff because you clearly don't think that it's
Trevor Lawrence, and I would be in agreeance with that.
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I don't think that Trevor Lawrence not being a top
five quarterback in the National Football League by now is
because Trevor Lawrence is incapable of doing it at the
NFL level. And so if you got to figure out
what's the reason, you got to start with the head coach.
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And then now the head coach is on notice, so
the head coach had better identify why Trevor Lawrence has
not become more of what he's needed to become since
coming into the National Football League. And I think that
that's ultimately what this is all about, is that you
have a small market team, you got a generational talent
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and Trevor Lawrence, and Trevor Lawrence hasn't been exactly everything
that he's been advertised to be coming into the league.
I think that's a tough one. That's a tough one
to have to. If I'm Shad Cod and I know
I can pack my stadium out.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I'm starting to sound nasally. My sons are crazy right now?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
A blow snot rocket on the air right now?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yeah, well that's kind of funny. Look I had this
little little sniff though.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
That's why what Jonas does after he like says something
kind of you know, witty, that's a little snut rocket.
He's kind of yeah, that is true.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
He does, do not go tells doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Anyway.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I think that that's kind of you know, you want
to be able to sell your stadium. You want to
be able to leverage if you want to, you know,
get a new stadium built, or you want to go
over seas, whatever it may be that they're looking to leverage.
Trevor Lawrence is a major part of this. And I
think the entire storylind of this whole entire conversation is
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probably based around Trevor Lawrence. What is Trevor Lawrence going
to be this year and moving forward? And Doug Peterson
had better figure out how to get the best out
of him and get him to transition from where he's at,
Like he's on the cusp to being on the other
side of being on the cusp to being like that guy.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
That's what I would say.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Is there something to maybe Doug Peterson. I don't know
if rubbing people the wrong way is the term to
go with, or maybe wearing out his welcome because he
did great things in Philly and it wasn't long after
they won a Super Bowl and they did historic things
together that they had to move on from him. And
then he gets to Jacksonville and if you look down
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the list of coaches that have been there, man Gus
Bradley got a long leash, so did Doug Moron. None
of them had success early on like Doug Peterson did. Again,
as mentioned, never finished below five hundred since he's been there.
Yet the owner picks this offseason to come out and say,
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as to go, as far as he's on the hot seat,
we need more, and it's like, well, what happened in
the previous regimes that are different than this one, especially
coming off what happened with Urban Meyer and that whole situation.
I wonder maybe if Doug Peterson, if this is another
example of you know, maybe he doesn't work well with
some owners and maybe he doesn't you know, there's a
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little bit of friction there. Maybe that's why there could
be the potential of him being out this year because
they haven't shown this sort of impatience before with other
head coaches outside of what happened with Urban Meyer, which
is sort of a one off situation.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
May and Om had, Trevor Lawrence, none of them. Yeah, okay,
and I think I would say, yeah. I think to
Lvar's point, I think the the objective is very clear.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
When Doug Peterson got.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
There, and you know, you you make it to the
divisional round in the first year, you feel like you're
taking steps back.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I mean, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who
didn't think this team took a step back last year.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
And meanwhile in your division, like Houston's getting better, Indianapolis
is going to be competitive. You know, not sure where
Tennessee is going to finish up, but everyone around you
you feel like it's.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Getting better, and so you got to make a move.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
And they I think they have enough this offseason to
not like necessarily say they're.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Going all in for this year.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
I mean, I feel like most teams feel like when
they have a quarterback, they're always going all in right,
that windows never closing, but that there's a very clear
objective maximize Trevor Lawrence. You know, go try to win
a Super Bowl and if you can't. And I feel
like there's a lot of owners who are probably sitting
here right now who feel this sort of pressure is
there's a guy named Bill Belichick who's you know, kind
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of sitting out there for you. There's that big fish
that why not give him a call? I mean, worse
ticking save you is no, And you know'd he'd want
to get back into it and you'd know he'd want.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
To be a place where, hey, he's back on the
East Coast.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
He's got a quarterback that you know you can believe
in too, he's got pieces on defense, Josh Allen's phenomenal
off the edge. Like with with Bill Belichick out there,
until he says he's done done, he's not going to coach.
I feel like for most owners who are looking critically
at their head coach, they've got this window and they're saying, well,
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I can bring him in. I've got a two to
three four year whatever it is, you know, whatever Bill
Belichick wants to do.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
But as long as he's out.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
There and he hasn't said I'm done coaching, and that's
a possibility. It puts more pressure on any coaches on
the hot seat or any coach that has underachieved or
took a step.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Back last year. And Doug Peterson sits in that category.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
By the way, that's a great call, and nobody's mentioned
Jacksonville's a potential landing spot for Belichick with a with
a quarterback already in place. That could make a ton
of sense because all we've heard about is, you know,
the Cowboy Is, the Eagles, places like that. But you know,
maybe Jacksonville is the spot there, you know, a nice
place to uh to go ahead and get that wins
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record in that division. That could be fun. So look
at you pointing out So can we run with that?
Lee on Twitter? Please? On Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
From Menticu Belichick to Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Brady Quinn says the Jaguars should fire dub Peterson and
hire Bill. Jeez, we could just.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Go with that.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Am I wrong in the assessment that if you were,
if you were any owner out there with Bill Belichick?
I just I feel like that's gonna be a conversation.
By the way, so let's just not stop at Belichick.
Like Mike Rabel's out right now. Mike Vrabel would be
an awesome fit down in Jacksonville. Like he's another one
that you've got some guys right now that I think
there's some owners that are probably having conversations saying, like,
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we've got this guy teed up. And for the most part,
you know, you think about you go offense and you
go defense.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
You know the next time is how you view.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Sometimes bring in head coaches easier to sell that way,
different change.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
And all that.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
But I mean there's there's multiple guys out there that
I think are putting pressure on current head coaches because
they've had good stints in the past whatever has or
hasn't worked out. But I mean the goat and Bill
Belichick is number one there. But even again v Abel,
look at his resume, He's another one that comes to
mind that you could easily step in there.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
I think provide a spark to that franchise, in that team.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
It's like finding out the rocket ship down the street
just got single. All of a sudden, everybody perks up.
Anybody who's got a relationship on thin ice, as.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
If you could get the rocket ship down the street.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
It's like the way she laughs. You know, it kind
of bothers me the way she laughs. You know it's
going to get on your nerves a little bit more.
Didn't notice it before, but now it's like bothering.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
You a little better a sudden.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Maybe the perfume. You're like, yeah, I don't really like
that perfume. She could change it, but you know, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
All of a sudden, your eyes have opened. You can't
even believe it.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
What's the way? How does she chew her food like that?
What's that noise she makes shoes her food?
Speaker 5 (34:58):
It's like little things start to like pop up.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
You're like, wait a.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Second, wait, is that her sock she left in the
living room? No, that's mine, but it looked like hers.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Her fault, not really, Yeah, she could use yours for
cutting board, good point, geez backscratcher too well.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Listen, that is I just don't get it.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
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Speaker 2 (35:32):
There's no better way to celebrate a football Friday to
talk about a second round draft pick in the NBA
draft from last night, and that would be none other
than Bronnie James, who goes number fifty five to the
Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
What I just said? What I just said?
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Yeah, hey, doesn't that create complications?
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I mean the.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Worst joke of all last night was the whole like,
oh lebron James been sleeping with you know, a second
round picks mom.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
It's like, well, yeah, we get it. We get it, man,
we get it. I mean no, I mean like obviously
like this their child.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
It's accurate, but it's like, how many more people can
say this on social media and act like that's an original,
Like they it's so creative.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
And you know, like the four thousandth person who sent
that same joke out, you know how many times they
probably look to see how many likes and retweets a
guy going this is the wild.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Don't get me started on that.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
I got twenty some text about the debate last night,
and it was pretty much all the same clip, and
I'm like, why are we This isn't good. This isn't
good for anyone. I don't care what side you're on,
Like that is not good for there shouldn't be with sides.
There shouldn't be side.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
This is America. We all watched that and we're like,
you know, like I just this is America, and anything
is possible. Anything, it's possible. You know what else too
is we did it. We did it, We.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Did it, we did it.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
He would be careful about those slogans like that. One's
not gonna carry.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
You know, we did it. It's not gonna we did
it all.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
Of a sudden's gonna be on a T shirt like
we did it, sweety.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
You can apply that to a lot of things, you know, like.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Yeah, haktua, it'll make it on a shirt though, I
think that will work.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
You know, you just don't get it.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
I don't understand what you don't get it?
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Hey, can I ask you guys this though, like I
know this, you asked me earlier about relating to this
with my son and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
I have sons, right, I.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Got I got one that's twenty four now and man
Man seventeen, so you know he's yeah, right, So at
some point, like it's getting very it's getting dangerously close.
At some point, I am going to party with both
my sons that there's I mean there's potentially there's nothing
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wrong with that. And I'm gonna just say potentially there's
nothing wrong with I mean, that's your built in I mean,
who you're going to trust more right, being with your
your own, your own you know, Pride of Lions. You
know their mains are coming in and we're all out.
Like man man's taller than me. Keno is a yoke like.
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Keno's like training to do like swim trunks, like competitions,
like he wants to become a pro and bodybuilding.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
He's like going, oh, he's getting after it, and I
hang out.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
I've hung out with Keno, and now he's got an
opportunity to see what it's like to hang out with dad.
It's gonna be really interesting when I'm with both of them.
I'm just assuming going on the road as an NBA
team and the things that you experience, and you see
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you're now going to have your son doing that with you.
I mean, do you do you do the like the
censored version of it, or do you just this is
what it is to be in the league, or what
Like how does that work?
Speaker 6 (39:24):
I mean, how does that work?
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Honesty is always the best approach, you.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Know, and I don't know what honesty is, like I don't.
I mean, but I'm saying I don't know what that
honesty is. But I'm just saying that's got to be
pretty interesting to I mean, I'm sure he's experienced a
lot being around his dad, but I mean, wouldn't you
think that it's going to be a different experience being
his teammate. Now, somebody said my daughter, My daughter said yesterday,
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she was like, she's like Broni's now his dad's equal.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
I was like, no, well, dang, this is his teammate.
I mean, it is his teammate.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Now, now will you? Will you venture down the path
of I'm really gonna do this or that.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
I don't think for me that would ever be an
option ever for me, not not ever.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Take maybe maybe with Keno, not with Man, maybe with
and I'll tell y'all why, Okay, I'm gonna text y'all.
I don't know this is this is going down West.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
I don't want to know this.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I'll say this right now.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
We talked too much, we think too much. I don't
want to know this.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
This is why the show is good and it's great
because it's it's different insight.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
You know, I can't wait to drink my son. I'll
tell you that right now.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
I cannot wait to get I got.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Right last year? What's that guy?
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Yeah, we had to sit there a little while longer
because I wasn't going to be able to walk out, Like.
We had to sit there, drink some water and didn't
even know that we got there, but the LaVar allens
were flowing. Man, Shoot, you read it, you read it? Yeah,
just being on.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
All right, So let's hear from Rob Polenka, the general manager,
the general manager.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Wheel of the car. Get us back on track.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
We get to the the the general manager of the
Los Angeles Lakers, Rob Polenka, who discussed, I.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Wish I could send that text out to everyone.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
He just he discussed why they took Brownie James, all
the positives that come along with it, and really try
to sell everybody on the idea of Bronnie James going
fifty five overall, why that was the pick for the Lakers.
Speaker 7 (42:08):
In the history of the NBA, there's never been a
father and a son that have shared an NBA basketball court,
and that feels like something that could be magical, and
we know and have to respect, of course, that Lebron
has a decision about his opt out, and I'm sure
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he and his family and his agent will deliberate what
they're going to do there, and of course he has
freedom to decide whatever's best for him and his family.
But if it worked out that he was on our
team next season, NBA history could be made, and NBA
history should be made in a Lakers uniform. Bronni is
first and foremost a person of high character, and second,
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he is a young man that works incredibly hard, and
those are the qualities we look for in drafting players
and adding to our development court at the Lakers. He
had a great draft to work out with us where
he displayed those qualities. To me in an hour lunch
that we shared in the building just to get to
know each other, became clear that he was a man
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of character in terms of his work ethic. I think
we've all seen that lived out too. He's not a
person that has ever taken shortcuts or expected or been
entitled about basketball opportunities. He's worked for everything that he's gotten,
including being selected today at fifty five. So it's an
honor for us to add him to our program. Coach
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Reddick is already excited about putting a development plan around
him to increase his basketball skills and turn him into
the player that we think can impact and help this franchise.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Do you guys want to hear my draft profile on
the Brownie James?
Speaker 5 (43:49):
I mean, does a start off with six foot one
and a half half?
Speaker 2 (43:52):
No, I mean it's very similar to what Rob Polangka
just said, high character, hard worker, last name James. Like
that's that's really where it comes to Brownie James and
what he gets and what he's got going on for him,
like the idea entitlements. But this is the here's but
here's the problem. And this goes back to something that
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we've talked about before. It would be I would have
no issue if he came out and said, yeah, look,
we want him to be able to play with his dad.
We look, you guys feel how you want to feel
about it, that's fine, But we as an organization want
that magic and that moment to happen here with us.
And that's why we made this pick because we think
there's some potential there. We're going to work with him
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and hopefully that's something that can happen down the road.
But instead he's got to throw in well, hard work,
character high.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
It's like all entitles stop. You got to make sure
you throw in entitlement.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
It's the same thing when Lebron tries to when they
try and tell people all, well, you know this is
not you know, he had no say in the JJ Redickhier.
He didn't want to be involved. Stop Like there was
there was a story that came out that rich Paul
Lebron agent was calling teams picking ahead of the Lakers
in the second rounds asking them not to take Bronnie
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James because if you took him, he was just going
to go play in Australia. Who was going to take him?
Like they're like, he was not going to get drafted.
If the Lakers didn't take him, that's cap.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
But they tried calling around saying don't take him.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
That's so cap, that's that's that's the biggest that's the biggest,
baddest cap ever in the history of biggest baddest cap.
That is not true. That cannot be true at all.
Who at what point in time I heard Chris Brussard
on one of the promos, and I love Chris. I
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heard him on one of the promos talking about at
those points in the draft when you get a pick,
your pick is generally better than that draft spot and
that whole that might remain true here.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
That was from so former Warriors, former Warriors GM Bob Myers,
who's on ESPN NBA coverage. He's the one who said
that Rich Paul is calling teams telling him don't take
Brownie James, do not take him, take him. He's going
to Australia.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
Like it's just I mean, this is so good, this
is so don't take him. Like I'm calling, like, listen,
I'm telling y'all, don't take this kid that's averaging two
points two point five points a game.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Like what, right, he's how tall? Y'all said, he's how tall? Six?
Speaker 2 (46:32):
What that would be like me? One? That would be
like me walking up to LeVar and saying, hey, man,
whatever you do, do not steal my car.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
Exactly it, dude. I was like, whatever you do, don't
Like he hit his.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
Alarm on his car one time when I was getting out,
I'm like, are you are you? Like, first off, you
don't need an alarm at all for nobody. You can
take that into the pj's. Ain't nobody an eject taking
that truck. That thing will be right where it's stay
right it is. It would be an.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
Interesting deal to hear the other end of the line,
Like when they called, you know, and they're like, hey,
make sure not to They're probably like, right, they was
looking at the phone for the call.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yeah, but he made the call so he could say
he made the call.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
But right for letting us know, isn't that That's what
makes this nauseating to a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Yeah, but like the park.
Speaker 5 (47:30):
Look, this is where I've been with the NBA forever.
The NBA, the entire league has allowed this to happen.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
This isn't like just a Lakers thing. It's not.
Speaker 8 (47:41):
They've allowed clutch sports to have the clutch on the.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Entire league the way they do.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
They've they've allowed Lebron to do what he's done because
he is one of the greatest of all time. Like,
if we're being honest with ourselves, Michael Jordan probably had
equal amount of power way back then, even with the
commission that probably wasn't as I'm not gonna say subservient
like Adam Silver.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
But that's where we're at. Like this.
Speaker 5 (48:06):
This league feels like they need to play into storylines
like this in order to generate buzz, to generate Q.
Speaker 4 (48:15):
That man, Rob Polinka said it, He said it out
his mouth, that the storyline was intriguing. You drafted this
man off of a storyline, tell you.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
But that's but like, why are we surprised? That's where
the NBA is at?
Speaker 5 (48:35):
And this is what happens when a league which I
mean I would obviously the word the game and how
it's being played now. I do think players are as
skilled as they've ever been, but it's getting to the
point where you feel like the three point shot, something
there needs to be altered, because it feels like the
game has just become kind of too spread out, too
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predictable and how things are going to go, and it's
not as of a product to watch anymore. I'm sorry
if NBA purists and people who are fans get upset
with me for saying that. Look, I love the game
of basketball, but how the game is played now compared
to how it was fifteen years ago, is dramatically different
and it doesn't feel like the same product or as entertaining.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
I'm sorry if that, If you would disagree with that.
That's just my opinion. But I feel like viewership decline would.
Speaker 5 (49:25):
Equate to that as well, because you still have stars,
you still have some of these rivalries, and you could
even say, well, what about you know these you know,
players all getting together. That's fine, Like if you have
a big three hund A team, I don't care because
it creates this villain almost like where everyone expects that
team to win, so if they don't, it ends up,
you know, appeasing so many other people out there, So
(49:45):
it still creates that storyline. The problem with the NBA
is they've leaned so hard into everything outside of basketball
itself and these sorts of storylines. I mean, I guess
you could say, hey, the NFL doesn't too, but not really,
what's the season it starts.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
It's the season. It's the season.
Speaker 8 (50:02):
We're not having a conversation or we're talking in the
off season about how this move could impact their season.
Like we're not talking about some of the stuff that
goes on off the field in almost any other sport
but the NBA. And that's that's what to me gets
a little frustrating with it is you've got as skilled
with players as we've ever seen, and we haven't really
(50:24):
figured out what to do with it to make it
a bigger, bigger and better product for TV. And I
guess you can sit there and say, well, even though
viewership's down, they people still keep network, still keep paying
more money for it, so it must be more valued.
I actually think it's the I think it's it's like
our society has lost so much creativity.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
We don't have good sitcoms anymore. Like we have lost.
Speaker 5 (50:45):
The ability to come up with new thoughts, new shows,
new anything, and so we were relying on like live sports,
relying on all that now instead of actually having a
show to tune in and watch. It's like, oh no,
if you don't have live sports, live news, like it's
got to be some of their appointment television that one
of these digital streaming platforms has created because the networks
(51:08):
can't figure out how actually write a good TV show anymore.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
I mean some of the game shows that are on
nowadays too, It's like, what the hell is this?
Speaker 5 (51:14):
It's crazy to see where things have gotten at this
point as far as the NBA. But I think it's
a byproduct of a lot of things. But mostly they're
owndoing and allowing this to happen.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
Those are such valid points.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
I mean, I think they can't keep up with how
good the content creators are these days. Right, they're becoming
a millionaires because they're creating content that people aren't just
really really into and just always checking back for. And
they can't keep up with it because they're small, small boats,
they're not big ships.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
Right.
Speaker 4 (51:47):
But and continuing just kind of looking at that conversation.
For me, just you know, I was I went through
the mental gymnastics of is it fair to do a
comparison of this? Was Isaiah Thomas on on that Pistons team,
Say it was Rip Hamilton on that that Pistons team
(52:09):
that won the championship, Say it was Michael Jordan. And
Michael Jordan did have a son that played.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Ball, He had two two.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
Two of them.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
Say say that was the case, and in Chicago, and
and Marcus was coming out or something to that that
that point, How would he be received by those players?
How how would that look if you put in and
what would like, let's just be clear on this, an
(52:41):
inferior player to the rest of the guys on the roster,
how would they how would they react to that. How
would they handle that if you have to cut somebody,
which they're going to cut people, how are you going
to react.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
To that when that man is still on the roster?
Speaker 4 (52:59):
How how are you going How are you going to
feel internally as a team when you're sitting there and
people's heads is on the chopping block and Bronnie James
is sitting right there in his locker, comfortable with no entitlements,
hard work and the last name James.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
And think about this. Michael Jordan owned a team. This
could have happened. He could have made a call and
be like, hey, I own this thing, like you're taking
one of my sons. They're going to be a part of.
This never happened. That's why I would argue Lebron's probably
got more power than Michael Jordan did in the NBA
because the happened.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
I said it earlier.
Speaker 4 (53:36):
I said he's the go to goats in terms of
business because this is the I'm telling you, this is
like some Oceans twelve Oceans eleven. Man, he went in
there and he stole it. He stole pick fifty five.
That's what it should be. A Netflix special one day called.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
What Is It? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (53:55):
Pick fifty five, that's what it should be called. Pick
fifty five. I don't get it.
Speaker 5 (54:01):
I don't get I feel like though, the commissioners under
Jordan during his era right, which was David Stern for
the end, was a Russ Granick. I don't know, does
that sound like who was before? It was a Larry
Larry Brian, Larry O'Brien, Larry O'Brien. I feel like between
(54:22):
Larry O'Brien and David Stern, they were stronger commissioners of
the NBA.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
And as you.
Speaker 5 (54:30):
Know, Michael Jordan became such a global brand combined with Nike,
that really empowered NBA basketball players to make a good
portion of money too off the court. And even though
they make a ton playing, there's also and I keep
bringing up the shoe opportunity because that's real. You know,
(54:51):
NBA players can make so much money on their marketing
deals and globally going to Chine on all these different
international markets, and that that can line their pockets more
than anything else. It's what's made Michael Jordan what a
billionaire is it was his ability to help elevate Nike.
Without Michael Jordan, Nike's not Nike, Like, I'm sorry, I know.
(55:14):
I mean, I've read Shoe Dog, I've heard Phil Knight's story.
We could talk Steve Prefontaine all we want, but Michael
Jordan is what made Nike Nike.
Speaker 4 (55:21):
And Marcus Jordan is making bank off of being a
Michael Jordan uh person.
Speaker 3 (55:29):
So sure, so maybe you get my point, Michael, what
it's like if you look from.
Speaker 5 (55:34):
Larry O'Brien to David Stern and the power of the
NBA back then before the shoe deals were as big,
But as you looked at Michael Jordan getting to the
end of his career after winning six championships and all
of that, then it became like, Okay, who's the next
Mike When Michael was done, and then we kept you know,
Lebron and.
Speaker 3 (55:54):
Kobe, and we looked for all these other guys.
Speaker 5 (55:55):
But then everyone started getting their own shoe And that's
where you kind of realize the these players have leverage
because it's not just what they negotiate with their individual
teams or any team in the league. It's also the
money they have flown in and with different sponsors but apparel.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
Great point, Yeah, great point. Man
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