July 15, 2024 • 36 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jerry Rice goes off on reporters and Rodgers talks about the end of his summer. Tua should contemplate holding out. And Davante Adams reuniting with Aaron Rodgers seems destined.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with LaVar Arrington, Brady Win and Jonas Knots on Fox Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
All right, LeVar, here we go again more Aaron Rodgers news.
I mean you want it, you got it. There's a
certain topics y'all gonna have this one. LeVar took over.
LeVar vetoed what what Brady and I were looking to
discuss and lead the first couple of segments of this show.
He wanted politics and rogers to start off the show.
(00:37):
Just disgusting, but nonetheless Aaron Rodgers was that the what's it?
Is this? The American Century Championship? Is that?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
That's right? Good job, Jonas. So that'sked that question for
like eight years?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Is it the one where Jerry Rice got upset because
a couple of reporters asked about the Chiefs receiving Corps.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
So you's gotta be more to that, right, Like you
can't just blow up on a guy for asking about
the Chiefs receiving core Like why does that infuriate Jerry Rice?
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Jerry Rice? Man, you weren't he shouldn't even been talking
to Jerry Rice. Have you ever seen Jerry Rice out.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, I've been around him.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I saw. I mean, I'm getting his shoes cleaned to
the airplay Hey brouh, true story. Jerry Rice be on
the move.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Broh, don't talk to Jerry if you if you know
what you know, you just don't. Just just hold your peace. Man,
the goat goat on the move. It's the goat on
the move.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I was with him one night when he turned up,
and I know that. I mean, he had a great time.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I was like, dang, man, that was my favorite favorite
player ever growing up, Like it was my first position
player was wide receiver, and I had family out north
of California, so Dad like would seventy forty nine ers
gear and I love Jerry Rice Like that was the position.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
That was the thing.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I was like, Man, I got I got hands and
be like Jerry one day and uh, yeah, he got
turned up at this event.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
The goat turns up.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Now, Yeah, it was It was interesting.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Yeah, my guess, don't just be anybody trying to turn up.
You don't be any does anybody trying to talk to
him either.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
My thought was that he was having a couple of
throat burners and they caught him and he was in
a bad mood as he wasn't playing.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I didn't understand did he did he make some statement
about the Chiefs wide receivers before they played the forty
nine ers or something was there is there a backstory there,
and that's why they asked him, like why would he
care about the Chiefs receivers?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
The only like Jerry Rice is the only response to
this that I've seen is that they were trying like
being a smart ass or he had a smirk on
his face.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, would you do that all the time?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So yeah, like all the time, all the time. I mean,
you know, I'm not here asking about the Chiefs receiving
corps to Jerry Rice because I don't care. And these
guys asked the question. Dudes on top of the building.
Damn well, I mean that is what you did. What
you did, you'd done it, he had done it, but
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like you know, he said that he just didn't like
the tone or where he thought they were being wise asses,
and he decided he was going to threaten to beat
him up. So there was that. Yeah, I mean, but
I just think he was having a couple of drinks
and things had.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
A little sideways before this was on video, It's not
like I don't recall it like it was.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Don't recall it, don't don't happened.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
It was very clear as day, like you said, I
will f you up.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
And then they were they released a second video the
reporters and like, look, this is just to show everybody
we were not trying to cause any problems, like there
was she whatsoever and Jerry Rice wasn't having it. So
getting Jay Rice's space.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Now behind the ropes, that's the weird thing.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, credentialed and uh just goes to show you things happen.
Although I don't want to sit here and judge those
guys because we were credentialed at Radio Row in Vegas,
and I would I would say that we probably didn't
behave the best.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
If we behaved the worst, who would have experienced it right,
witnessed it.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It was too early to be there.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
The only videos that would have surfaced of that behavior
would have been from us.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
It's gonna be a great test this year to see
if anyone actually shows up between five and eight am
Central time.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I think that's still a little too still.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Little early, right, you got to be there until nine
am Eastern where people start you know, coming in flowing in.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
I walked down there a couple of times just to
see the the you know what it looks like with people,
and it's crazy, man, like we totally we miss out
on everything.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
It's a Churchill Downs, right, You've been to the Derby
when it's not the Derby, Like, ever been to Churchill Downs.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I've never been.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
I have been to the Kentucky Derby, but never been
at you know, three in the morning.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
You know, let me tell you, when you go to
that six in the morning when it's not the Derby weekend,
all right, you realize it's about all the pretty people.
All you pretty people out there that go to the Derby,
you are what makes Churchill Down.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Special because that thing bones naked yu.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah, that's when I heard any day of the week,
all right, and you can oh stamp that damn damn.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Keep real right there. I felt that tang. Well, Aaron
Rodgers is at this golf turn. I was trying to
stay away from me.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
I was trying to keep y'all going so we didn't
have to visit it.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Why are you trying to get away from it? Because
you've made this grand proclamation.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yes, he's uh, you know, I'm over it. Listen, he's
a little bittersweet, and he was talking about this being
sort of the end of the road when it comes
to this summer, and he was kind of looking at to, uh,
to the upcoming season. So let's listen to Aaron.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Aaron.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Still it's mounting me. Okay, go ahead, all right, because I.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
My achilles feels good. I felt really good then last year.
Then there's kind of a you know, there's always that
kind of plateau park. It's just about getting back into it.
I felt good, off spring had a nice OTAs, had
a beautiful trip to Egypt. And this is like the
last marker summer's over. On Sunday Walking of eighteen is
like super bittersweet. But it's funny be here especially, I mean,
(06:21):
Aj and Miles two of my best friends.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
So there he is.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
So now he's just freely talking about it on the
other side of the trip.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Oh yeah, well I had a great trip to Egypt.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
So let me just let me just take this perspective
on it, you know, because you ever see someone do
something you're like, man, maybe they got to figure it out,
you know, like, maybe they're doing it right.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Maybe that's the case.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Man, Like I look back and I was invited to
that event way long ago, back when I first got
into the NFL to.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
Egypt no oh bet to walk like an Egypt show. Yeah, no,
I was. I was invited to plan it and it
was like twofold one. It was always too close to
training camp. I've always been like a meathead. Tried to
work hard because that's where I feel like I got
my advantage.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
And then the second thing was I just wasn't very
good at golf back then.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I really just started to pick it up playing because
you get invited to all these different charity events when
you play in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
So I was like, man, I want.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
To go on TV and you know, rip a ball
and take someone out, Like like that's not that's not.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Gonna be a good look.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
So I was never really one that was excited about,
you know, trying to take up that opportunity.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
In retrospect, it's like what would have been nice?
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Like it would have been nice because once you get in
on that too, like you're kind of in like as
long as you keep you know, staying going to the event,
like they kind of keep you and they don't only
cycle too many people out unless they miss, and once
they miss.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Then you're kind of all of a sudden on the
waiting list again.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
But he's able to find this work life balance that
it seems odd to us. And I don't know if
it's like is it if he was getting paid like
league minimum, would you have an issue with any of
what Anaron Rodgers doing? Or is it still because he's
the quarterback and he's Aaron Rodgers and it's everything else.
I always feel like there's an element of, like what
he's being paid that's tied to how much people care
(08:12):
about what he's doing in his free time.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
I just think he's masterful at presenting things in a
way where people care. Because honestly speaking, I don't have
any issues with what he does. I mean, he can
do what he wants to do. I mean, listen, if
you want to expand your horizons and do things and
experience things, and you have the ability to do so,
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then you should do it. You only got one life
to live. I have no problem with the yolo approach
to what you're doing. I just think it's the way.
I think it's the way he comes across the people
that people kind of get caught up into it almost
like you know, it's like, is he talking to us
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as if he's like smarter or he's more ahead or
whatever it may be.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
And I'm just speaking.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
I'm just I'm I'm I'm trying to put it out
there in terms of what it could be. I don't
invest that much in it.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
I don't have that problem. I don't have a problem
with him, really, I really don't. It's funny, but I
think I think that that's what it is, like he
is a really good football player. To answer the question, no,
no one would care if he was a minimum wage
player doing all of these other things. But at the
same time, would you one, would you know that he
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was doing all these other things for one and then
for two, how likely would it be for him to
keep the job, maintain the job if if he were
doing all these other things, and and the employer, the
current employer, you know, saw it as you know, this
guy's more into other things than he is trying to
be on this football team. You know, if a guy
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that that didn't do what Aaron Rodgers did, missed a
mandatory mini camp, would he still be on the team.
So it's kind of all relative but at the same time,
I mean good for him, good for him, and then
the people hating on him for what he does the
extra stuff that he does. You know, if you have
your own issues as to why you have a problem
(10:16):
with him, then you need to address.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yourself, not Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Like you said, Aaron Rodgers seems to have it pretty
figured out for what Aaron Rodgers wants to do and
how he wants to do it and the timing of it.
I mean, any dude that could do what he does
on the off season, roll in looking like the dude
straight off of con Air and and and pull it off,
not not just try to do it, but he had
the tank top on, he had the jeans on, he
(10:42):
flipped the hair back.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
He pulled it off.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Was dude's name again, Nicholas Cage, I mean he pulled
it off.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Anybody who could pull off the stuff that Aaron Rodgers
be doing.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
He goes on Pat McAfee show every week, does his
does his appearance. He pulled it off. Everything he seems
to do he pulls off. And oh, by the way,
when he was on the highest I'm gonna pull it off.
He was winning MVP of the league. So at the
end of the day, results speak for themselves, and as
long as he's getting the results, I mean, people are
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going to be especially the people that are paying them
and that are sharing for them, They're going to be
tolerant of all the other stuff that comes with it.
But I don't know. I don't I don't feel confident
about it at this point. I don't feel confident going
into this year that that's going to be the case.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
But that's just me. Though.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Would you feel more confident if they got Davonte Adams, Yes,
I would you think that's that's the issue.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I just.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
I think Davante Adams obviously with with Garrett Wilson, I
think that those two together, it would be hard for
me to say that they can't win at a rapid clip.
I just think today, I just think that there's still
(12:06):
a team that that misses the playoffs by game or so.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
That's what I think.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
That says.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I'm gonna stick to it. I'm gonna stick to my bowl.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Stamped.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I stamped it stamped. That's a good sound effect, yeah,
stamp it.
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Speaker 2 (13:14):
Tyreek Hill was speaking about his quarterback to a tonguea
bai looa who still has not gotten his deal done.
As the Dolphins are getting ready for training camp here
coming up shortly and so Tyreek Hill was on Sports
Center on Friday and he spoke about his quarterback and
what he deserves. A financial standpoint for.
Speaker 9 (13:36):
People to like sit here and try to discreate a
tool and say, you know, he's not deserving of a
contract is wild to me, man, because like a lot
of guys on the team understands his value and understands,
you know that we need them like we need we
need his leadership, we need his mindset. Like the mindset
that he brings into each and every week is there,
Like it's like it's like terminator almost.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Man.
Speaker 9 (13:58):
So I feel like he should be one of the
highest pay quarterbacks in the league. You know, obviously say
some room for me.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
So that was Tyreek Hill, you know, getting a laugh
out of somebody there at the end. I don't know
who the hell that was, but Tyreek Hill sticking up
for his guy. Can I ask you guys a question? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Yeah, So should he hold out if he doesn't get
the contract before camp?
Speaker 3 (14:19):
That'd be sweet Tua?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
I mean, wouldn't that strategically say we're going to know
what the value is truly of Tua if he were
to hold out.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I mean, I think you've got a way if you're
him and I don't know the specifics to the contract,
but you've got a weigh the injury risk. He's had
a number of concussions, man, some bad ones, like, I
don't know, if he goes in the season it has
one or two bad ones and he passes up on
whatever they offer him, there.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Might be an element of it that you go like,
was it worth oh right?
Speaker 4 (14:53):
You know, like you know that might not be there
on the other side, because I think that's the biggest
hold up probably within the conversation of his extension, is
his injury history and how they're putting in the guarantees,
the injury only guarantees, all the language surrounding that.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I think that's the.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Greatest concern for the Dolphins with this contract. Because since
Mike McDaniels has gotten there, he's been incredibly productive. You know,
you go back to last season, he led the league
in yards.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
You know, he's been throwing.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
For you know, mid high twenties as far as touchdown passes,
and he's been a good decision maker, you know. To me,
since he's been there, he's got a winning records, a
starting quarterback, which you know, I don't like to put
too much weight in, but that was through Brian Flores,
through Mike McDaniels.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Doesn't matter like when he's in there, the way he
operates within the offense, the way he's played for.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
This team, he gives him a shot and then there's
something to be said for that. So I'm with Tyreek
on this. He should be paid. I think he will
be paid. It's just going to be the sure.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Of the deal.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
And I think it's gonna be too much money to
pass up on before the season starts.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
That's just my opinion on it.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
I could very well be wrong, and maybe he'll play,
you know, throughout the last year of this thing, but
I think they'll.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Get it done.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Tyreek Hill's numbers have gotten better with Tua than with Mahomes.
And I'm not saying that two is a better quarterback
than Mahmes. Nobody would say that. But the idea that
like the pushback on guys like him or brock Purty
is always, well, you know, it's it's what's around him,
it's a system they're in all it's what do you
want him to do? Force a trade out of Miami
to go prove himself elsewhere? Like if it's working, that's
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the whole point. Like if the system is working and
he's the beneficiary of beneficiary of it, then who cares?
Like what does it matter who's around him? As long
as they're there and it's successful, like the guy deserves
to get paid. But if you were to hold out,
that would be fascinating because.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Point, by the way, over seventeen hundred receiving yards.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Crazy get two nuts. He's got two hundred and thirty
eight cats in two years and he missed a game
last year. Like, like you just look at the numbers,
you go, well, yeah, And also Tyreek Hill's probably gonna
want to get paid, like he's outperformed his contract. Now
that Justin Jefferson's making what thirty five million a year, Like,
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he's probably gonna want to get paid. Like I just
I look at it and I go, if he were
to hold out, which I think we've talked about this before,
quarterbacks are kind of judged differently. But if you were
Tyreek Hill, or if you were two or rather, and
you wanted to make a statement, why not, I'm by
the way, I feel like I give you a ton
of leverage.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Justin Jefferson's are passed.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
I believe Tyreek Hill's number because when he's signed there,
he signed an average annual value of thirty million per year.
So like the bar was set from Tyreek and now
to your point about how he's I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Look, Justin Jefferson and Tyreek Timer are one and two
right now.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Maybe Devanta Adams, you could put some others up in
that conversation, but you know, to me, the production, it's
been Tyreek and Justin Jefferson, who.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Can at least statistically, you know, prove that.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
So maybe that's the other portion of the conversation is
both Tyreek and Too are trying to work on this
thing together knowing that that high Tide Rissult Boats.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
And Jalen wattall just got paid this offseason, right, Yeah,
I think yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
But I mean it was you know, it was a
resetting the market where he'll probably will and look, Steven
Ross has deep, deep pockets, so he could pay out
a ton of signing bonuses and make that work.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
But I think we would all agree that Tua needs
to be playing. Like if you're if you're the Dolphins, Yeah,
you got to be thinking to yourself whatever that is,
that we need to make sure that Tua is in
playing for this team. I mean that could be a
very demoralizing thing to not have Tua their win training
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camp opens.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah, he doesn't need to be going to Egypt or
anything like that, is all you're saying.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
I mean, you know, if he got time or or
you know, Mango Deck.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Or something like that. Yeah, where would you recommend he
go if he did hold out.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
I've never been to Egypt, so I don't know what
I would be telling him he's missing out on. I
have been to Mango Deck though, Yeah, and if he
hasn't been there, or if he has been there, then
he knows what he's missing out on. Now he's from Honolulu,
I mean that's a little bit different than Mango Deck
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in Mexico.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I mean when you were there for the Pro Bowl,
like any recommendations.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Well, it was quite a different environment during the Pro Bowl.
I've been to Honolulu while it wasn't the Pro Bowl,
and it just didn't hit the same.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Which, by the way, if we don't do a show
from Honolulu at our fine affiliate Fox Sports nine ninety,
it's on you, guys.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
I would like to do it on the beach in
waki Ki. If we were to go there to do
a show, it would we would need to do it
like live on location. Yes, I will. I would be
okay with that. I can just remember how good the
Kyler Maari was there. I mean it was really by
the way that show it was Kyler Murray was amazing
on that beat.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
That means that our show would go on at midnight,
I believe midnight Hawaii time, which all sorts of fun
people are walking around it.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
I mean, it's just the party is just getting started. Yeah,
you know, we get in the work and they get
into work. You know that work, that work. Yeah, they're
getting might be some lou ales going on, you know,
So listen.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
It would be nice if we could get a fun
little hold out story from a quarterback entering into the
season and then maybe they go into panic mode. Who's
the backup in Miami? Why do I know? Oh?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
All right, which is one of the reasons why I
think you look at it too and go, yeah, you
don't want that show you if you're the Dolphins, you
don't want that.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, you don't want that. Yeah. So so we we'll
keep you up today as to whether or not Tua
gets his contract done while we're live on the air here.
That'll be fun. Who's most likely to hold out?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I don't know. I mean I guess too, but I
don't think it's either likely.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Are they I'm saying, who is Like, is it? Is it?
You know? Is it Cede Lamb? Is he more likely?
Is it?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
He's the one that makes the most sense because he's
the one that is I mean, technically Dak could if
he wanted to.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Is it Jamar Chase?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Well, speaking of, there is a tag deadline for a
long term extension.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Is today and it's already been announced that t Higgins
and the Bengals will not reach a deal. So he's
going to play on the franchise tag twenty one point
eight million coming to t Higgins this season. Then he's
going to hit the market next year. I bet yeah,
So he's looking to have a big seat. Now, let
me ask you this, if Tua did hold out, would
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that open the floodgates to other quarterbacks wanting to hold out?
Because I don't think a quarterback has ever held out
to get a contract right as you're in training camp,
Like emmittt Smith was, you know, one of the more
famous ones that that went into the season. They won
a couple of games into the season, then he got paid.
But like, if Tua did it, do you think Dak
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would be? Okay? Well, and I'm gonna hold out too,
got paid by them, though there's too much good will
between him and Dallas.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Right, I mean you would have to assume, so I
think there's a good relationship there. I don't think the
relationship between him and Jerry Jones is spoiled where he
would play hardball that way. I think he's just going
he's assuming he's going to get what he's deserving of.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I just can't wait till Tua does get paid and
people bitch about it, say, well, I mean he's paid
all he's the top three highest paid quarterback in the NFL.
He's not a top three quarterback. It's like, all right,
well that's how this works. Like it's his time, it's
his turn to get paid. He's going to get paid
and if we want to be if you want to
argue about it, he's had a better start to his
career than Trevor LaRence has. It is an.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Interesting scenario to introduce. But to introduce that scenario would
be interesting, Like if a guy like to a held
out and they immediately well, if it works out where
they don't pay them, then then it's like, okay, don't
hold out, QB. I would assume, But if they if
he gets good results very quickly, then you would have
(23:23):
to assume then that will set a new precedence for
for how quarterbacks are handling things when they get to
a point in time where they want a new contract.
If you have success, it's at what they call a
copycat league. If it worked, you know, do it. You
know you probably see a new trend. The guy saying listen, hey,
I'm not coming to camp if you don't give me
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a new contract. And players on the Dolphins wouldn't have
an issue with it, It doesn't sound like it. It
just sounds like everything is checked off on the box
for him to have.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Why would you not have an issue with other players
doing it, but then you have an issue with the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
To ayah, I know. I'm just curious if quarterbacks are
judged differently or treated differently, you know, based on that,
and if they decided to take that approach.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
I think when it comes to money, every player in
the locker room is understanding you get as much as
you can while you can. Now, if you've got a
dude who did something before, like a game a little
different puts a team in a bad spot and all that,
which hurts everyone but as far as going on the
training camp, most most guys are very understanding of that.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
At least that was my experience. I don't know if
you different that.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
LeVar, No, no, no, I'm almost I.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Mean most guys like when you come in, especially when
someone got a deal with something. What's up man, congrats?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, like new money, Yeah, new money.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
We're going to eat.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Yeah, we're eating to night. New money. You know, must
be niceces we going'ces scissors still around? Yeah, there are
a few really, yes kidding two pros and a cup
of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. By the way,
do you guys see Angel Reeskitt quadruple team so they
(25:00):
could stop her double double double street? Yeah, they petty
in w n B A. But it's this guy like it. Hey, listen,
they've been flopping on Caitlin. They flopping. She's sitting there like,
are you serious? Like she's soft? Like what are you doing?
All these people doing all this weird s man.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Stop stop back.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
I mean there were some moments too, though, where like
there are some efforts made to keep the.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Double double streak alive.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Yes, that's six seconds left up by seven try to
try to get a foul and take it to the
basket like I was like, okay, okay, when I run
the clock out here, oh got it, got it.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Double doubles so desperately padding stats and then that's that's
the karma you get in return. Whatever the good old days.
Remember Ricky Davis, the great Cleveland Cavalier, played for the
Celtics as well too. Remember when he intentionally missed his
own shot to get a rebound so he could get
a triple double.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Some people have accused Angel Reese of doing that and
missing some of her little bunny shots to get more rebounds.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
And Russell Westbrook also got some of those accusations as
well too, that he would, uh you know, for some reason,
uh be the only guy chasing down a rebound, almost
like he was instructing other teammates like I need another
rebound to keep my triple double streak going. And so
but it's fun, you know. So here's the here's the
attention the WNBA wanted. They get it.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
The kind of lost me at one point.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I was I was in, I was curious checking some
of the games out, and then they kind of lost
me with all the petty stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
I was like, you can't do this well.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I thought that you were like your favorite part of
the WNBA was the coverage because it was so fair
and balanced. Like that was my understanding is that you
like the way it was covered some of the analytical org.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
I just I remember when what was it, Kayla Clark
says some record, but like halftime of a game, and
they come to the halftime break on ESPN and that
neither of the people on the panel had anything good.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
To say about Kaitlyn Clark. They're like, the.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Coach comes out and goes, well, she got five turnover first,
like that was the first comment off of setting like
some record for like points and assists or something in
the league history as a rookie. And the first comment
out of her mouth was but she does have five
turnovers And someone said something like, oh, you know, It's
like they just completely like no one could give her
a compliment.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
It was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
It's yeah, it's always always fun to hear the the
back and forth on that.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
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Speaker 2 (27:33):
Guys a question real quick before we hear from Cam Hayward.
So you've got Aaron Rodgers who says makes a joke
or something, you know, a slight little comment that he says,
I can't wait to play with DeVante Adams again. And
then you've got Breisee Hall and Garrett Wilson welcoming the
idea of playing with Devonte Adams. You're seeing the stuff
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come out on the Receiver show on Netflix, which was
from last year, but you know it's showing DeVante Adams
frustrated a year ago. You've got him admitting to Kay
Adams as they were smearing it up on her podcast,
talking about you know, Aaron Rodgers gotta stop. I'm just
well no, I'm just like breaking down like the uh,
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the chain of events here. The point is, you.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Don't explode the walls.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Maybe that's was at Sea World. The point is, why
would they be talking publicly or open about it unless
they felt like they had the green light to do it.
And I just wonder if maybe DeVante Adams, you know,
through some back channeling, has been like, hey dude, this
ain't looking good here, Like anybody want to come get
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me like I'd like to get another payday to finish
my career, and I just struggle with the idea of
going into the season with what we have in Las Vegas.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
That's that tampering though, Like that's just one thing that
the NFL like picks and chooses when they want to
be an uproar about tampering, like this is an example
of players essentially speaking publicly about the desire to play.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
With them, which as of right now is is, you know,
not possible. So I don't understand how they're allowed to
do that. There's no push back as far as that
being tampering.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
I don't understand it, but it seems as though there's
something developing there. Seems as though there is some type
of a plot, a plan, something that's that's taking place.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
And I just feel as though hearing Aaron Rodgers say I.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Can't wait as calculated as he is saying I can't
wait to play with him again, I just don't what
else do you need to know where, I mean, how
much longer is Aaron Rodgers going to play? And depending
on what number you come up with, the amount of years,
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do you really think that those years are going to
be spent in a different uniform than the one he's
in right now. And if you don't come to the
conclusion that he's going to go to the Raiders or
play somewhere else where, it could happen where Davante Adams
goes there, then you have to assume what he's referencing
(30:24):
by saying I can't wait to play with him again
means that Davante Adams is going to end up in
New York. So my biggest question is we can speculate
all we want about if this is tampering or not.
If that man ends up in New York, what happens,
that's gotta go down as tampering, Right, It's got to
(30:45):
come out that something was going on behind the scenes.
But like I said, I don't know if I said
this to UQRS or someone else, But how do you
monitor tampering when you have a relationship with somebody and
you may you may be the godparent to one of
their kids. You you may be really really close, y'all
may do family vacations together. Like, how do you manage
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tampering in certain certain situations?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Right? I just don't know how you do it.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
They have a hard time proving it, like, oh, is
it collusion?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I mean, they have a hard time proving anything in
the NFL in this regard when it comes down to
what's happening behind the scenes and communication.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
To your point, whether it's collusion, whether it's tampering.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
It just it seems like, I mean, maybe with the
exception of the Falcons who most recently got popped, given
their the conversations around Kirk Cousins, it just it seems
like that's always a difficult deal to prove when it.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Comes down to it.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
You think Devontae Adams gets traded before the season, it's
a good question that over under. I mean, I said
it at the trade deadline last week. I just I
wonder if it's gonna happen pretty quickly here because it
just seems like that's a lot of noise, Like there's
just a lot coming out about it.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
I can't wait to play with them again. I just
you know that just that just sticks out, that sticks out.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, I don't know, he's going to be thirty three.
It says there's a potential out after this season for
the for the Raiders. I just I don't know, man,
I think I think maybe he sees the riding on
the wall and there's like, all right, well get me
somewhere to where you know, I'm not wasting the final
(32:35):
years of my prime in Las Vegas if we're not
going to be competing, because everybody, like you talk to
anybody that covers the Raiders, and they're all saying like, well, yeah,
I mean this is their quarterback plan this season, but
they'll be drafting a quarterback next year. Okay, Well that
doesn't help. Like it feels like you're putting Antonio Pierce
in a tough spot. You know, Josh Jacobs talked about
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just the losing culture that was there. It just feels
like everything DeVante Adams signed up for is not there anymore.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
Like and you know, I just wonder how long that's
not leaving coach Paris out to drive. That's you trying
to get through your career the best way that you
possibly can. I mean, he's still I don't know that
he's a Hall of famer. I know he was Hall
of Fame trajectory. And and if I can get a
(33:22):
few more good still, a few more good years, get
some balls, some good balls throwing my way, and get
some good stats, maybe that's the difference in him solidifying
his career. So you can't be mad at somebody for
wanting to have the best opportunity for them to have success,
especially if it's possible, if it's doable, that the scenario
(33:44):
can play out. I don't I don't have I don't
look at that as being an issue with DeVante Adams.
It's not like he's not being loyal. I mean, he's
only been there, what for one year? It's only one years.
This will be two seasons, right, yeah, so it's not
two yet. It's only been one season that he's gone through. Correct, No, too,
he's gone through too. Yeah yeah, oh wow, said good years.
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I still don't look at it as he's he's a
trader or he's not loyal. I just look at it
like I came here to play at my college teammate
and then he's not here anymore.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
You know, if you trade away Devontae Adams, you got
to think Antony Pierce is like looking around and.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Going, all right, what are the doubt? Right to get
the benefit of doubt? All this gave me patience sometimes
to build this thing back up.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
Right if you didn't, if you were going to trade
Davonte Adams use him to get the quarterback you're trying
to get. That's to me like that, if you're going
to trade him now, that makes absolutely no sense to me,
because if he wanted to be traded now, then that
means that he wanted to be probably potentially traded back then.
And if you weren't, if that, if you were basing
it off of possibly, ah, well we're going to get
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this quarterback. It could be Pinnis, it could be Jaydon Daniels.
You know what, Davante Adams will be happy with that.
But if you're going into the draft and you know
and you know you're not giving up the capitol to
be able to move up to get one of those
two guys, then you you're already you should be be
preparing for the fact that, Okay, well we're not going
to get this quarterback. Devontae Adams probably isn't going to
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want to be here under Aid and O'Connor or Gardner Minshew,
So let's trade them and let's see if we could
get that quarterback and we'll go from there. It just
that that seems to make more sense to me than
after the fact you're going to trade him.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Now, it doesn't make sense to me. You were doing
the draft show here with Jay Glazer and I was
listening to it on the radio, and I heard when
the Falcons were going to take Michael Pennix that later
on the team that that one of the teams that
really screwed was the Raiders because that was the plan.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Yeah, and I just wanted they didn't get Jaydon Daniels.
They were okay with with Pennix. Is what I heard
is that that's the impression I was under, and here
we are, here we are, and they're going into this.
They didn't get any of them. Yeah, they didn't get
any of them. And now you're yeah, and now you
have a player at the caliber and the level that
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Davante Adams is at, and he's looking at who it
is that's going to throw him the ball, and that's
gotta be very concerning if you're DeVante Adams.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I mean, he's saying publicly that Aaron Rodgers is in
my ear, like wanting to play with me again. Kirk
Cousins just said that him and Kyle Yeah, well you
know what I mean. Kirk Cousins said, you know, yeah,
Kyle Pitts and I talked about, you know, what number
we wanted to wear, and they got popped, you know,
three hundred grand or whatever it was, and you know
(36:36):
they lost a draft pick. It just it seems so
blatant that I just I wonder if something's on the
brink of happening, which you know, could be a fun
little addition to this offseason.
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with LaVar Arrington, Brady Win and Jonas Knots on Fox Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
All right, LeVar, here we go again more Aaron Rodgers news.
I mean you want it, you got it. There's a
certain topics y'all gonna have this one. LeVar took over.
LeVar vetoed what what Brady and I were looking to
discuss and lead the first couple of segments of this show.
He wanted politics and rogers to start off the show.
(00:37):
Just disgusting, but nonetheless Aaron Rodgers was that the what's it?
Is this? The American Century Championship? Is that?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
That's right? Good job, Jonas. So that'sked that question for
like eight years?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Is it the one where Jerry Rice got upset because
a couple of reporters asked about the Chiefs receiving Corps.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
So you's gotta be more to that, right, Like you
can't just blow up on a guy for asking about
the Chiefs receiving core Like why does that infuriate Jerry Rice?
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Jerry Rice? Man, you weren't he shouldn't even been talking
to Jerry Rice. Have you ever seen Jerry Rice out.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, I've been around him.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I saw. I mean, I'm getting his shoes cleaned to
the airplay Hey brouh, true story. Jerry Rice be on
the move.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Broh, don't talk to Jerry if you if you know
what you know, you just don't. Just just hold your peace. Man,
the goat goat on the move. It's the goat on
the move.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I was with him one night when he turned up,
and I know that. I mean, he had a great time.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I was like, dang, man, that was my favorite favorite
player ever growing up, Like it was my first position
player was wide receiver, and I had family out north
of California, so Dad like would seventy forty nine ers
gear and I love Jerry Rice Like that was the position.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
That was the thing.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I was like, Man, I got I got hands and
be like Jerry one day and uh, yeah, he got
turned up at this event.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
The goat turns up.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Now, Yeah, it was It was interesting.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Yeah, my guess, don't just be anybody trying to turn up.
You don't be any does anybody trying to talk to
him either.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
My thought was that he was having a couple of
throat burners and they caught him and he was in
a bad mood as he wasn't playing.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I didn't understand did he did he make some statement
about the Chiefs wide receivers before they played the forty
nine ers or something was there is there a backstory there,
and that's why they asked him, like why would he
care about the Chiefs receivers?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
The only like Jerry Rice is the only response to
this that I've seen is that they were trying like
being a smart ass or he had a smirk on
his face.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, would you do that all the time?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So yeah, like all the time, all the time. I mean,
you know, I'm not here asking about the Chiefs receiving
corps to Jerry Rice because I don't care. And these
guys asked the question. Dudes on top of the building.
Damn well, I mean that is what you did. What
you did, you'd done it, he had done it, but
(02:56):
like you know, he said that he just didn't like
the tone or where he thought they were being wise asses,
and he decided he was going to threaten to beat
him up. So there was that. Yeah, I mean, but
I just think he was having a couple of drinks
and things had.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
A little sideways before this was on video, It's not
like I don't recall it like it was.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Don't recall it, don't don't happened.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
It was very clear as day, like you said, I
will f you up.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
And then they were they released a second video the
reporters and like, look, this is just to show everybody
we were not trying to cause any problems, like there
was she whatsoever and Jerry Rice wasn't having it. So
getting Jay Rice's space.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Now behind the ropes, that's the weird thing.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, credentialed and uh just goes to show you things happen.
Although I don't want to sit here and judge those
guys because we were credentialed at Radio Row in Vegas,
and I would I would say that we probably didn't
behave the best.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
If we behaved the worst, who would have experienced it right,
witnessed it.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It was too early to be there.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
The only videos that would have surfaced of that behavior
would have been from us.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
It's gonna be a great test this year to see
if anyone actually shows up between five and eight am
Central time.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I think that's still a little too still.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Little early, right, you got to be there until nine
am Eastern where people start you know, coming in flowing in.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
I walked down there a couple of times just to
see the the you know what it looks like with people,
and it's crazy, man, like we totally we miss out
on everything.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
It's a Churchill Downs, right, You've been to the Derby
when it's not the Derby, Like, ever been to Churchill Downs.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I've never been.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
I have been to the Kentucky Derby, but never been
at you know, three in the morning.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
You know, let me tell you, when you go to
that six in the morning when it's not the Derby weekend,
all right, you realize it's about all the pretty people.
All you pretty people out there that go to the Derby,
you are what makes Churchill Down.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Special because that thing bones naked yu.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah, that's when I heard any day of the week,
all right, and you can oh stamp that damn damn.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Keep real right there. I felt that tang. Well, Aaron
Rodgers is at this golf turn. I was trying to
stay away from me.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
I was trying to keep y'all going so we didn't
have to visit it.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Why are you trying to get away from it? Because
you've made this grand proclamation.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yes, he's uh, you know, I'm over it. Listen, he's
a little bittersweet, and he was talking about this being
sort of the end of the road when it comes
to this summer, and he was kind of looking at to, uh,
to the upcoming season. So let's listen to Aaron.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Aaron.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Still it's mounting me. Okay, go ahead, all right, because I.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
My achilles feels good. I felt really good then last year.
Then there's kind of a you know, there's always that
kind of plateau park. It's just about getting back into it.
I felt good, off spring had a nice OTAs, had
a beautiful trip to Egypt. And this is like the
last marker summer's over. On Sunday Walking of eighteen is
like super bittersweet. But it's funny be here especially, I mean,
(06:21):
Aj and Miles two of my best friends.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
So there he is.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
So now he's just freely talking about it on the
other side of the trip.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Oh yeah, well I had a great trip to Egypt.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
So let me just let me just take this perspective
on it, you know, because you ever see someone do
something you're like, man, maybe they got to figure it out,
you know, like, maybe they're doing it right.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Maybe that's the case.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Man, Like I look back and I was invited to
that event way long ago, back when I first got
into the NFL to.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
Egypt no oh bet to walk like an Egypt show. Yeah, no,
I was. I was invited to plan it and it
was like twofold one. It was always too close to
training camp. I've always been like a meathead. Tried to
work hard because that's where I feel like I got
my advantage.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
And then the second thing was I just wasn't very
good at golf back then.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I really just started to pick it up playing because
you get invited to all these different charity events when
you play in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
So I was like, man, I want.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
To go on TV and you know, rip a ball
and take someone out, Like like that's not that's not.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Gonna be a good look.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
So I was never really one that was excited about,
you know, trying to take up that opportunity.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
In retrospect, it's like what would have been nice?
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Like it would have been nice because once you get in
on that too, like you're kind of in like as
long as you keep you know, staying going to the event,
like they kind of keep you and they don't only
cycle too many people out unless they miss, and once
they miss.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Then you're kind of all of a sudden on the
waiting list again.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
But he's able to find this work life balance that
it seems odd to us. And I don't know if
it's like is it if he was getting paid like
league minimum, would you have an issue with any of
what Anaron Rodgers doing? Or is it still because he's
the quarterback and he's Aaron Rodgers and it's everything else.
I always feel like there's an element of, like what
he's being paid that's tied to how much people care
(08:12):
about what he's doing in his free time.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
I just think he's masterful at presenting things in a
way where people care. Because honestly speaking, I don't have
any issues with what he does. I mean, he can
do what he wants to do. I mean, listen, if
you want to expand your horizons and do things and
experience things, and you have the ability to do so,
(08:38):
then you should do it. You only got one life
to live. I have no problem with the yolo approach
to what you're doing. I just think it's the way.
I think it's the way he comes across the people
that people kind of get caught up into it almost
like you know, it's like, is he talking to us
(08:58):
as if he's like smarter or he's more ahead or
whatever it may be.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
And I'm just speaking.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
I'm just I'm I'm I'm trying to put it out
there in terms of what it could be. I don't
invest that much in it.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
I don't have that problem. I don't have a problem
with him, really, I really don't. It's funny, but I
think I think that that's what it is, like he
is a really good football player. To answer the question, no,
no one would care if he was a minimum wage
player doing all of these other things. But at the
same time, would you one, would you know that he
(09:33):
was doing all these other things for one and then
for two, how likely would it be for him to
keep the job, maintain the job if if he were
doing all these other things, and and the employer, the
current employer, you know, saw it as you know, this
guy's more into other things than he is trying to
be on this football team. You know, if a guy
(09:54):
that that didn't do what Aaron Rodgers did, missed a
mandatory mini camp, would he still be on the team.
So it's kind of all relative but at the same time,
I mean good for him, good for him, and then
the people hating on him for what he does the
extra stuff that he does. You know, if you have
your own issues as to why you have a problem
(10:16):
with him, then you need to address.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yourself, not Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Like you said, Aaron Rodgers seems to have it pretty
figured out for what Aaron Rodgers wants to do and
how he wants to do it and the timing of it.
I mean, any dude that could do what he does
on the off season, roll in looking like the dude
straight off of con Air and and and pull it off,
not not just try to do it, but he had
the tank top on, he had the jeans on, he
(10:42):
flipped the hair back.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
He pulled it off.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Was dude's name again, Nicholas Cage, I mean he pulled
it off.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Anybody who could pull off the stuff that Aaron Rodgers
be doing.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
He goes on Pat McAfee show every week, does his
does his appearance. He pulled it off. Everything he seems
to do he pulls off. And oh, by the way,
when he was on the highest I'm gonna pull it off.
He was winning MVP of the league. So at the
end of the day, results speak for themselves, and as
long as he's getting the results, I mean, people are
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going to be especially the people that are paying them
and that are sharing for them, They're going to be
tolerant of all the other stuff that comes with it.
But I don't know. I don't I don't feel confident
about it at this point. I don't feel confident going
into this year that that's going to be the case.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
But that's just me. Though.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Would you feel more confident if they got Davonte Adams, Yes,
I would you think that's that's the issue.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I just.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
I think Davante Adams obviously with with Garrett Wilson, I
think that those two together, it would be hard for
me to say that they can't win at a rapid clip.
I just think today, I just think that there's still
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a team that that misses the playoffs by game or so.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
That's what I think.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
That says.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I'm gonna stick to it. I'm gonna stick to my bowl.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
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Speaker 2 (12:14):
I stamped it stamped. That's a good sound effect, yeah,
stamp it.
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Speaker 2 (13:14):
Tyreek Hill was speaking about his quarterback to a tonguea
bai looa who still has not gotten his deal done.
As the Dolphins are getting ready for training camp here
coming up shortly and so Tyreek Hill was on Sports
Center on Friday and he spoke about his quarterback and
what he deserves. A financial standpoint for.
Speaker 9 (13:36):
People to like sit here and try to discreate a
tool and say, you know, he's not deserving of a
contract is wild to me, man, because like a lot
of guys on the team understands his value and understands,
you know that we need them like we need we
need his leadership, we need his mindset. Like the mindset
that he brings into each and every week is there,
Like it's like it's like terminator almost.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Man.
Speaker 9 (13:58):
So I feel like he should be one of the
highest pay quarterbacks in the league. You know, obviously say
some room for me.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
So that was Tyreek Hill, you know, getting a laugh
out of somebody there at the end. I don't know
who the hell that was, but Tyreek Hill sticking up
for his guy. Can I ask you guys a question? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Yeah, So should he hold out if he doesn't get
the contract before camp?
Speaker 3 (14:19):
That'd be sweet Tua?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
I mean, wouldn't that strategically say we're going to know
what the value is truly of Tua if he were
to hold out.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I mean, I think you've got a way if you're
him and I don't know the specifics to the contract,
but you've got a weigh the injury risk. He's had
a number of concussions, man, some bad ones, like, I
don't know, if he goes in the season it has
one or two bad ones and he passes up on
whatever they offer him, there.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Might be an element of it that you go like,
was it worth oh right?
Speaker 4 (14:53):
You know, like you know that might not be there
on the other side, because I think that's the biggest
hold up probably within the conversation of his extension, is
his injury history and how they're putting in the guarantees,
the injury only guarantees, all the language surrounding that.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I think that's the.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Greatest concern for the Dolphins with this contract. Because since
Mike McDaniels has gotten there, he's been incredibly productive. You know,
you go back to last season, he led the league
in yards.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
You know, he's been throwing.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
For you know, mid high twenties as far as touchdown passes,
and he's been a good decision maker, you know. To me,
since he's been there, he's got a winning records, a
starting quarterback, which you know, I don't like to put
too much weight in, but that was through Brian Flores,
through Mike McDaniels.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Doesn't matter like when he's in there, the way he
operates within the offense, the way he's played for.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
This team, he gives him a shot and then there's
something to be said for that. So I'm with Tyreek
on this. He should be paid. I think he will
be paid. It's just going to be the sure.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Of the deal.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
And I think it's gonna be too much money to
pass up on before the season starts.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
That's just my opinion on it.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
I could very well be wrong, and maybe he'll play,
you know, throughout the last year of this thing, but
I think they'll.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Get it done.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Tyreek Hill's numbers have gotten better with Tua than with Mahomes.
And I'm not saying that two is a better quarterback
than Mahmes. Nobody would say that. But the idea that
like the pushback on guys like him or brock Purty
is always, well, you know, it's it's what's around him,
it's a system they're in all it's what do you
want him to do? Force a trade out of Miami
to go prove himself elsewhere? Like if it's working, that's
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the whole point. Like if the system is working and
he's the beneficiary of beneficiary of it, then who cares?
Like what does it matter who's around him? As long
as they're there and it's successful, like the guy deserves
to get paid. But if you were to hold out,
that would be fascinating because.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Point, by the way, over seventeen hundred receiving yards.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Crazy get two nuts. He's got two hundred and thirty
eight cats in two years and he missed a game
last year. Like, like you just look at the numbers,
you go, well, yeah, And also Tyreek Hill's probably gonna
want to get paid, like he's outperformed his contract. Now
that Justin Jefferson's making what thirty five million a year, Like,
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he's probably gonna want to get paid. Like I just
I look at it and I go, if he were
to hold out, which I think we've talked about this before,
quarterbacks are kind of judged differently. But if you were
Tyreek Hill, or if you were two or rather, and
you wanted to make a statement, why not, I'm by
the way, I feel like I give you a ton
of leverage.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Justin Jefferson's are passed.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
I believe Tyreek Hill's number because when he's signed there,
he signed an average annual value of thirty million per year.
So like the bar was set from Tyreek and now
to your point about how he's I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Look, Justin Jefferson and Tyreek Timer are one and two
right now.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Maybe Devanta Adams, you could put some others up in
that conversation, but you know, to me, the production, it's
been Tyreek and Justin Jefferson, who.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Can at least statistically, you know, prove that.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
So maybe that's the other portion of the conversation is
both Tyreek and Too are trying to work on this
thing together knowing that that high Tide Rissult Boats.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
And Jalen wattall just got paid this offseason, right, Yeah,
I think yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
But I mean it was you know, it was a
resetting the market where he'll probably will and look, Steven
Ross has deep, deep pockets, so he could pay out
a ton of signing bonuses and make that work.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
But I think we would all agree that Tua needs
to be playing. Like if you're if you're the Dolphins, Yeah,
you got to be thinking to yourself whatever that is,
that we need to make sure that Tua is in
playing for this team. I mean that could be a
very demoralizing thing to not have Tua their win training
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camp opens.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah, he doesn't need to be going to Egypt or
anything like that, is all you're saying.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
I mean, you know, if he got time or or
you know, Mango Deck.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Or something like that. Yeah, where would you recommend he
go if he did hold out.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
I've never been to Egypt, so I don't know what
I would be telling him he's missing out on. I
have been to Mango Deck though, Yeah, and if he
hasn't been there, or if he has been there, then
he knows what he's missing out on. Now he's from Honolulu,
I mean that's a little bit different than Mango Deck
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in Mexico.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I mean when you were there for the Pro Bowl,
like any recommendations.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Well, it was quite a different environment during the Pro Bowl.
I've been to Honolulu while it wasn't the Pro Bowl,
and it just didn't hit the same.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Which, by the way, if we don't do a show
from Honolulu at our fine affiliate Fox Sports nine ninety,
it's on you, guys.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
I would like to do it on the beach in
waki Ki. If we were to go there to do
a show, it would we would need to do it
like live on location. Yes, I will. I would be
okay with that. I can just remember how good the
Kyler Maari was there. I mean it was really by
the way that show it was Kyler Murray was amazing
on that beat.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
That means that our show would go on at midnight,
I believe midnight Hawaii time, which all sorts of fun
people are walking around it.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
I mean, it's just the party is just getting started. Yeah,
you know, we get in the work and they get
into work. You know that work, that work. Yeah, they're
getting might be some lou ales going on, you know,
So listen.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
It would be nice if we could get a fun
little hold out story from a quarterback entering into the
season and then maybe they go into panic mode. Who's
the backup in Miami? Why do I know? Oh?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
All right, which is one of the reasons why I
think you look at it too and go, yeah, you
don't want that show you if you're the Dolphins, you
don't want that.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, you don't want that. Yeah. So so we we'll
keep you up today as to whether or not Tua
gets his contract done while we're live on the air here.
That'll be fun. Who's most likely to hold out?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I don't know. I mean I guess too, but I
don't think it's either likely.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Are they I'm saying, who is Like, is it? Is it?
You know? Is it Cede Lamb? Is he more likely?
Is it?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
He's the one that makes the most sense because he's
the one that is I mean, technically Dak could if
he wanted to.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Is it Jamar Chase?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Well, speaking of, there is a tag deadline for a
long term extension.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Is today and it's already been announced that t Higgins
and the Bengals will not reach a deal. So he's
going to play on the franchise tag twenty one point
eight million coming to t Higgins this season. Then he's
going to hit the market next year. I bet yeah,
So he's looking to have a big seat. Now, let
me ask you this, if Tua did hold out, would
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that open the floodgates to other quarterbacks wanting to hold out?
Because I don't think a quarterback has ever held out
to get a contract right as you're in training camp,
Like emmittt Smith was, you know, one of the more
famous ones that that went into the season. They won
a couple of games into the season, then he got paid.
But like, if Tua did it, do you think Dak
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would be? Okay? Well, and I'm gonna hold out too,
got paid by them, though there's too much good will
between him and Dallas.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Right, I mean you would have to assume, so I
think there's a good relationship there. I don't think the
relationship between him and Jerry Jones is spoiled where he
would play hardball that way. I think he's just going
he's assuming he's going to get what he's deserving of.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I just can't wait till Tua does get paid and
people bitch about it, say, well, I mean he's paid
all he's the top three highest paid quarterback in the NFL.
He's not a top three quarterback. It's like, all right,
well that's how this works. Like it's his time, it's
his turn to get paid. He's going to get paid
and if we want to be if you want to
argue about it, he's had a better start to his
career than Trevor LaRence has. It is an.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Interesting scenario to introduce. But to introduce that scenario would
be interesting, Like if a guy like to a held
out and they immediately well, if it works out where
they don't pay them, then then it's like, okay, don't
hold out, QB. I would assume, But if they if
he gets good results very quickly, then you would have
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to assume then that will set a new precedence for
for how quarterbacks are handling things when they get to
a point in time where they want a new contract.
If you have success, it's at what they call a
copycat league. If it worked, you know, do it. You
know you probably see a new trend. The guy saying listen, hey,
I'm not coming to camp if you don't give me
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a new contract. And players on the Dolphins wouldn't have
an issue with it, It doesn't sound like it. It
just sounds like everything is checked off on the box
for him to have.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Why would you not have an issue with other players
doing it, but then you have an issue with the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
To ayah, I know. I'm just curious if quarterbacks are
judged differently or treated differently, you know, based on that,
and if they decided to take that approach.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
I think when it comes to money, every player in
the locker room is understanding you get as much as
you can while you can. Now, if you've got a
dude who did something before, like a game a little
different puts a team in a bad spot and all that,
which hurts everyone but as far as going on the
training camp, most most guys are very understanding of that.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
At least that was my experience. I don't know if
you different that.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
LeVar, No, no, no, I'm almost I.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Mean most guys like when you come in, especially when
someone got a deal with something. What's up man, congrats?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, like new money, Yeah, new money.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
We're going to eat.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Yeah, we're eating to night. New money. You know, must
be niceces we going'ces scissors still around? Yeah, there are
a few really, yes kidding two pros and a cup
of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. By the way,
do you guys see Angel Reeskitt quadruple team so they
(25:00):
could stop her double double double street? Yeah, they petty
in w n B A. But it's this guy like it. Hey, listen,
they've been flopping on Caitlin. They flopping. She's sitting there like,
are you serious? Like she's soft? Like what are you doing?
All these people doing all this weird s man.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Stop stop back.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
I mean there were some moments too, though, where like
there are some efforts made to keep the.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Double double streak alive.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Yes, that's six seconds left up by seven try to
try to get a foul and take it to the
basket like I was like, okay, okay, when I run
the clock out here, oh got it, got it.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Double doubles so desperately padding stats and then that's that's
the karma you get in return. Whatever the good old days.
Remember Ricky Davis, the great Cleveland Cavalier, played for the
Celtics as well too. Remember when he intentionally missed his
own shot to get a rebound so he could get
a triple double.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Some people have accused Angel Reese of doing that and
missing some of her little bunny shots to get more rebounds.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
And Russell Westbrook also got some of those accusations as
well too, that he would, uh you know, for some reason,
uh be the only guy chasing down a rebound, almost
like he was instructing other teammates like I need another
rebound to keep my triple double streak going. And so
but it's fun, you know. So here's the here's the
attention the WNBA wanted. They get it.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
The kind of lost me at one point.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I was I was in, I was curious checking some
of the games out, and then they kind of lost
me with all the petty stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
I was like, you can't do this well.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I thought that you were like your favorite part of
the WNBA was the coverage because it was so fair
and balanced. Like that was my understanding is that you
like the way it was covered some of the analytical org.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
I just I remember when what was it, Kayla Clark
says some record, but like halftime of a game, and
they come to the halftime break on ESPN and that
neither of the people on the panel had anything good.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
To say about Kaitlyn Clark. They're like, the.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Coach comes out and goes, well, she got five turnover first,
like that was the first comment off of setting like
some record for like points and assists or something in
the league history as a rookie. And the first comment
out of her mouth was but she does have five
turnovers And someone said something like, oh, you know, It's
like they just completely like no one could give her
a compliment.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
It was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
It's yeah, it's always always fun to hear the the
back and forth on that.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
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Speaker 2 (27:33):
Guys a question real quick before we hear from Cam Hayward.
So you've got Aaron Rodgers who says makes a joke
or something, you know, a slight little comment that he says,
I can't wait to play with DeVante Adams again. And
then you've got Breisee Hall and Garrett Wilson welcoming the
idea of playing with Devonte Adams. You're seeing the stuff
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come out on the Receiver show on Netflix, which was
from last year, but you know it's showing DeVante Adams
frustrated a year ago. You've got him admitting to Kay
Adams as they were smearing it up on her podcast,
talking about you know, Aaron Rodgers gotta stop. I'm just
well no, I'm just like breaking down like the uh,
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the chain of events here. The point is, you.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Don't explode the walls.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Maybe that's was at Sea World. The point is, why
would they be talking publicly or open about it unless
they felt like they had the green light to do it.
And I just wonder if maybe DeVante Adams, you know,
through some back channeling, has been like, hey dude, this
ain't looking good here, Like anybody want to come get
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me like I'd like to get another payday to finish
my career, and I just struggle with the idea of
going into the season with what we have in Las Vegas.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
That's that tampering though, Like that's just one thing that
the NFL like picks and chooses when they want to
be an uproar about tampering, like this is an example
of players essentially speaking publicly about the desire to play.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
With them, which as of right now is is, you know,
not possible. So I don't understand how they're allowed to
do that. There's no push back as far as that
being tampering.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
I don't understand it, but it seems as though there's
something developing there. Seems as though there is some type
of a plot, a plan, something that's that's taking place.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
And I just feel as though hearing Aaron Rodgers say I.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Can't wait as calculated as he is saying I can't
wait to play with him again, I just don't what
else do you need to know where, I mean, how
much longer is Aaron Rodgers going to play? And depending
on what number you come up with, the amount of years,
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do you really think that those years are going to
be spent in a different uniform than the one he's
in right now. And if you don't come to the
conclusion that he's going to go to the Raiders or
play somewhere else where, it could happen where Davante Adams
goes there, then you have to assume what he's referencing
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by saying I can't wait to play with him again
means that Davante Adams is going to end up in
New York. So my biggest question is we can speculate
all we want about if this is tampering or not.
If that man ends up in New York, what happens,
that's gotta go down as tampering, Right, It's got to
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come out that something was going on behind the scenes.
But like I said, I don't know if I said
this to UQRS or someone else, But how do you
monitor tampering when you have a relationship with somebody and
you may you may be the godparent to one of
their kids. You you may be really really close, y'all
may do family vacations together. Like, how do you manage
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tampering in certain certain situations?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Right? I just don't know how you do it.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
They have a hard time proving it, like, oh, is
it collusion?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I mean, they have a hard time proving anything in
the NFL in this regard when it comes down to
what's happening behind the scenes and communication.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
To your point, whether it's collusion, whether it's tampering.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
It just it seems like, I mean, maybe with the
exception of the Falcons who most recently got popped, given
their the conversations around Kirk Cousins, it just it seems
like that's always a difficult deal to prove when it.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Comes down to it.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
You think Devontae Adams gets traded before the season, it's
a good question that over under. I mean, I said
it at the trade deadline last week. I just I
wonder if it's gonna happen pretty quickly here because it
just seems like that's a lot of noise, Like there's
just a lot coming out about it.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
I can't wait to play with them again. I just
you know that just that just sticks out, that sticks out.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, I don't know, he's going to be thirty three.
It says there's a potential out after this season for
the for the Raiders. I just I don't know, man,
I think I think maybe he sees the riding on
the wall and there's like, all right, well get me
somewhere to where you know, I'm not wasting the final
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years of my prime in Las Vegas if we're not
going to be competing, because everybody, like you talk to
anybody that covers the Raiders, and they're all saying like, well, yeah,
I mean this is their quarterback plan this season, but
they'll be drafting a quarterback next year. Okay, Well that
doesn't help. Like it feels like you're putting Antonio Pierce
in a tough spot. You know, Josh Jacobs talked about
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just the losing culture that was there. It just feels
like everything DeVante Adams signed up for is not there anymore.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
Like and you know, I just wonder how long that's
not leaving coach Paris out to drive. That's you trying
to get through your career the best way that you
possibly can. I mean, he's still I don't know that
he's a Hall of famer. I know he was Hall
of Fame trajectory. And and if I can get a
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few more good still, a few more good years, get
some balls, some good balls throwing my way, and get
some good stats, maybe that's the difference in him solidifying
his career. So you can't be mad at somebody for
wanting to have the best opportunity for them to have success,
especially if it's possible, if it's doable, that the scenario
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can play out. I don't I don't have I don't
look at that as being an issue with DeVante Adams.
It's not like he's not being loyal. I mean, he's
only been there, what for one year? It's only one years.
This will be two seasons, right, yeah, so it's not
two yet. It's only been one season that he's gone through. Correct, No, too,
he's gone through too. Yeah yeah, oh wow, said good years.
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I still don't look at it as he's he's a
trader or he's not loyal. I just look at it
like I came here to play at my college teammate
and then he's not here anymore.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
You know, if you trade away Devontae Adams, you got
to think Antony Pierce is like looking around and.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Going, all right, what are the doubt? Right to get
the benefit of doubt? All this gave me patience sometimes
to build this thing back up.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
Right if you didn't, if you were going to trade
Davonte Adams use him to get the quarterback you're trying
to get. That's to me like that, if you're going
to trade him now, that makes absolutely no sense to me,
because if he wanted to be traded now, then that
means that he wanted to be probably potentially traded back then.
And if you weren't, if that, if you were basing
it off of possibly, ah, well we're going to get
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this quarterback. It could be Pinnis, it could be Jaydon Daniels.
You know what, Davante Adams will be happy with that.
But if you're going into the draft and you know
and you know you're not giving up the capitol to
be able to move up to get one of those
two guys, then you you're already you should be be
preparing for the fact that, Okay, well we're not going
to get this quarterback. Devontae Adams probably isn't going to
(35:12):
want to be here under Aid and O'Connor or Gardner Minshew,
So let's trade them and let's see if we could
get that quarterback and we'll go from there. It just
that that seems to make more sense to me than
after the fact you're going to trade him.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Now, it doesn't make sense to me. You were doing
the draft show here with Jay Glazer and I was
listening to it on the radio, and I heard when
the Falcons were going to take Michael Pennix that later
on the team that that one of the teams that
really screwed was the Raiders because that was the plan.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Yeah, and I just wanted they didn't get Jaydon Daniels.
They were okay with with Pennix. Is what I heard
is that that's the impression I was under, and here
we are, here we are, and they're going into this.
They didn't get any of them. Yeah, they didn't get
any of them. And now you're yeah, and now you
have a player at the caliber and the level that
(36:07):
Davante Adams is at, and he's looking at who it
is that's going to throw him the ball, and that's
gotta be very concerning if you're DeVante Adams.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I mean, he's saying publicly that Aaron Rodgers is in
my ear, like wanting to play with me again. Kirk
Cousins just said that him and Kyle Yeah, well you
know what I mean. Kirk Cousins said, you know, yeah,
Kyle Pitts and I talked about, you know, what number
we wanted to wear, and they got popped, you know,
three hundred grand or whatever it was, and you know
(36:36):
they lost a draft pick. It just it seems so
blatant that I just I wonder if something's on the
brink of happening, which you know, could be a fun
little addition to this offseason.
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