July 17, 2024 • 54 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys recap the MLB All-Star Game and debate the greatest theme parks in the country. Brady and LaVar relive the grind of Rookie Training Camp. Plus, The Old P, Petros Papadakis joins for his weekly visit and shares stories from Training Camp.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple. Joe
with Lamar Rings, Rating Winn and Jonas Knox on Fox Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feel in here on a Wednesday morning?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
A lot better than now that I heard that song. Yeah,
just gets me in the morning.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
You know, I don't blame you. Oh he came in
with sarcasm. What I don't know, man, Now, every time
I hear you talking, now, I just see you sitting
in front of an American flag and just looking like
a clean ass, all American dude. Man. Like, dang, I
don't see sarcasm coming from that guy. But I guess
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you should have seen his text messages.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I'm not sure that that music.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
No, it does not, Actually it does not. In fact,
it's quite the opposite. Listen to Historically speaking, that is,
it's going to be a difficult day for a lot
of people.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Why.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I really don't know what's on. Sports wise, It's like
they call one of the slowest days of the year
from a sports gambling standpoint, like the slowest day of
the year. It's the one day where like handicappers will
actually take a day off be like, all right, I
want to go see my family finally, because after the
All Star Game, now you're just looking around going, I
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don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Maybe, I mean, some people will be like, look, I've
done this for so long, I don't even want to
do it anything.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I quit, I'm stepping down, I'm done. Moving on. Sports
is so slow right now, only you want to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, they're just gonna just gonna skip past that. Huh yeah,
just go you know what we're gonna do, just skip
all the way past that, just gonna just skip to
my loop. So congratulations, congratulations to the American League win
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the All Star Game for the tenth time the last
eleven years. Whatever the hell that means.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Oh, it just means like that collection of teams is
just it's just better, right.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I mean, imagine being a Cubs fan and rooting for
the n L and having just hanging over your head
the whole time.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I wouldn't know.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I mean, some of us who are Guardians fans are
excited about that.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Oh God, listen to you calling them the Guardians.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
What they used to be called when you were growing up?
What was your your team?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
They were the Cleveland Indians. Yeah, they had a mascot
named Chief Wahoo. That is the history of the team
that I do and rooted for growing up Cleveland Indians nice,
which you know, like it was it was heartbreaking at times,
right like you just kept seeing these loaded teams. I mean,
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at one point I could have named I think the
the starting lineup. I think I could have named the
starting lineup. I'm not sure if it's quite true. Outfield's
a little bit fuzzy, but I mean you had both
Alamars behind the played second base, right Chris Quell played shortstop,
told me at first pitching's fuzzy loft in center field.
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I mean, I mean, dude, they were, they were stacked.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I mean, they don't.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Don't forget about one of the great Cleveland Indians of
all time, Jose Mesa. You know, don't forget about that.
It was either DH though, no, he's they're closer, closer. Sorry,
he's the one that blew the World Series in ninety seven,
I think against the Marlins.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeap, thirteen years old, thanks for that. That was. This
is a year after what the Braves. I believe they
beat the Atlanta Braves. I think so h excuse me,
they lost the Elena Birs who was there I'm trying
to think of Albert Bell. Albert Bell, that was right field.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, Carlos by Ergo was.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Uh, you're not even looking down for it either, like
you got it in your head. You guys are no man.
Those teams were so good, they were so.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Really really good.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah, I wouldn't it broke my heart.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I mean, Jonas is used to teams breaking his heart
outside of the Bandwagon, teams he roots for, like the
Penguins of the Celtics.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Oh, come on, yeah, I mean, we don't need to
take shots like this.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Your Chicago Times bring you there, though, you know, outside
of that eighty five Bears Super Bowl, it's like it's
been slim pickings by the way.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
You know, I think the Bears since the eighty five season,
if I if I think I have this correct, I
think they've got less than five playoff wins since that
eighty five season, Like it has been a disaster.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
But you know, you guys who are sitting.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
You would have been better off of Bears tickets.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Buddy, I don't want either, So I don't know why
you keep bringing that up. I don't know what the
tickets joke is. I mean it really, you know, feels rude.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
It's crazy I'm sitting here thinking about it. I at
least had the pins growing up, but the stealers didn't
get me. In fact, the Stellers broke our hearts. The
eighties were lean right, well, the eight that the seventies
crushed it. Eighties nothing, nineties really kind of nothing. A
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lot of teases though. Did we get a Super Bowl
in the nineties. I know we went to one, and
I will never forget where I was at, what I
was doing when we lost to the Dallas Cowboys. How
Neil O'Donnell said, it's not his style to take the blame.
It's a team lost, not his loss.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
What about that loss in the AFC title Game against
the charge of.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Chargers that I mean that they like? When I think
about it, you guys talking about Cleveland like we wasn't
getting I mean, we had the pens though, we did
have the pens, but we had a loaded baseball team too.
Didn't win s. We ain't win s. We had the
Hammer himself, we had Barry Bonds. We weren't winning nothing.
(05:49):
We had Bobby Boonia. They still paying Bobby bo Andy
Van Sleyke like Doug d we ain't win s. We've
been let down.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
If you're in Pittsburgh and you're probably awake, one in
one places has listening to us as a morning show
and not sleep like we should be. I'll tell you
what we've been let down to. We've been tricked, we've
been hoodwinked.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Hold on, you're trying to make us feel bad for
an organization that hasn't had a losing season since two
thousand and three.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I'd rather just suck. Let's just thinking.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Think about that. You haven't had a losing season since
two thousand and three, and you're complaining, yes, it's been
over two decades.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Once you've proved it, once you've proven you've done it,
once you've proven you can win.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Stop.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
It's what I was saying. I need it. I need
a super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
That's fine, you've had.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I need another, give me, give me another, all right?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
So I just want to Cleveland to get something, all right?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
If you can.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Get the World Series super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Okay, let me ask you this in a twenty year span,
would you rather have one championship in nineteen losing seasons
or twenty.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Good years but no super Bowl, no championship. It's a
great would you read yth.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Have no references?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Well, I'll take the twenty years of decent play because
a team winning a championship does nothing for me as
a fan. What I don't get a ring.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
I didn't do something. The whole point of it is
to win a championship. So if your team won a
champion as a player, of course no as a fan,
like you want to see your team win a championship
as a fan, why you want them to? Just if
that's the case, then everybody should be happy with the
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Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
But I'm talking about two different and they are. But
I'm talking about two different, like two different scenarios. You
can have twenty years of consistency, sustain success. You're a
good team, but you don't win the ultimate prize or
one time you win it and nineteen bags of crap?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
All right, where's the twenty where's the nineteen bags of crap? At?
Is it splitting that in the middle? Is it you
got the championship and you got all nineteen after? Is
it nineteen leading up to that? One year? At year twenty?
Which houses? How are you her positioning? Which is more palpable?
Is it right in the middle? I think it makes
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it harder to make the decision if you put it
in the middle, if you put the championship in the middle.
So you have you have what seven eight years nine years.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Bad play, You get one title, and then you got
seven eight.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Nine years of bad would you which would you take?
I'm taking that championship in the middle.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I'm taking that championship because at least I can say,
at least I can say we were working up to
winning a championship and we got it. At least I
could say, you know what, we stink, we suck, but
we got a championship eight nine years ago.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
And then you got to turn around and take the
escalator all the way back down to.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Crapville with a championship. Imagine just never having a championship,
like you you don't have a champion Yeah, thanks man,
Sorry Brady, you don't have one. Hey.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
By the way, that's not true. The Lake Erie Monsters
won like a minor league hockey title.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
We take Lake Lake Erie. You know what do you mean?
The A claims Lake Aria.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Wait isn't Lake Erie in Cleveland Erie or Arie Arie whatever.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Arie. I'm from Pittsburgh. Man. It comes out every once
in a while.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I mean, I've never heard anyone lake Arie like I
say it. That's great and.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Let me let me also just say this, Steve Amy
Ochic from Cleveland, probably the greatest UFC heavyweight of all time.
Champion the Cleveland Cavaliers won a title in twenty sixteen. Yes,
so the so then.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
About the championship. Yeah, when we be honest about the championship,
had he not left and come back, it would have
been better the whole. It's just something about the leaving
and coming back. It was like, yeah, you came back,
thank you, but then you left again and just you know.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
I mean, think about that. Y'all was so bad. Y'all's
owner was like, we up out of here, We're taken
our team and we leave.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Damn. That was the Browns.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, why do you claim the raven Super Bowls?
Speaker 4 (10:36):
What's wrong that? I mean, that is your team, That's
the team, that's arts team.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Do you want to talk about it?
Speaker 4 (10:43):
All right?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
All right, I'd like to focus on the fact that, uh,
you know, it's been been a fun ride.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
You know, how does that work? How do you leave?
We have at Cedar Point? You do have Cedar Point,
got Cedar Point. I'll put that up here. You do
have Cedar Point with thrills, and that is the best
place on earth for roller coasters. I'm sorry they.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Got a new one that goes like one hundred and
twenty miles per hour.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Nice. Yeah, shoot you Ford backwards crazy. We used to
go just for the roller coasters. They would ain't nobody
messing with Cedar Point like they be talking about Knots
Landing and you know going to six Flags and Noah
bro Cedar Point was not a joke. When and it
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was worth to drive go to Cedar Point, you'd be excited,
go stand that motel, that inn. You couldn't afford a
hotel back then, you just go to the motel, the
n You just you're walking outside and you could hear
you could hear the roller coasters and the people screaming
Cedar Point.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Baby, I gotta be honest with you. It's kind of
a little nickel and dime here.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
No King's dominion, none of that.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Just I mean, I'm you would crap your pa a
minimum heart require Wait, Lee on top of that would
throw over crapper his pants.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
First off, do you write roller coasters?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Lee?
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Of course I do. Okay, my old man creates theme parks. Yeah,
you write roller coaster? Push Gardens is a good one.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Roller coasters.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Are you a screamer? Yes?
Speaker 7 (12:20):
Magic Mountain, I was raised there. I love the big ones.
It's very farm too.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Good morning, Brady.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
You're a screamer.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yes, you don't scream? Then you're not writing the coaster proper?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Are you a screamerly?
Speaker 7 (12:30):
Do you put hands up?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Is the question?
Speaker 7 (12:31):
Hands up all the time unless I think I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Hit a bar or something.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
Yeah, I'm a laugher. I like laughing.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Oh you're a laugher.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
You a laugher? H What does that sound?
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Likely?
Speaker 7 (12:40):
I can't recreate it.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
I do know this.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
When he's uh been licking the lid a little bit,
he snorts, he does.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
He does.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Just give us a sample of what the laugh sounds.
Many people whould laugh on a roller coaster, Eddie.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Do you rat roller coasters?
Speaker 7 (13:05):
I did when I was a kid, but as I
have gotten older stomach.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
They can't. I don't go on the swings.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
We have a season passing Disneyland, and my wife's pissed
off of me because I won't go on the incredit
coaster with her.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
Just a great coaster.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
I know it's not great if afterwards you get off
and you have to go sit down for thirty minutes,
you're got a pute.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah, kind of ruins the day.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I mean, I'm looking at Cedar Point, I got not
impressed a lot of the majority of the height requirements.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
You couldn't handle it our forty eight inches. You'd have
a bowel movement in your pants.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Some people were meant to grow up in different places
other than where we grew up. That's all. It's just what.
It's just not that life isn't meant for everybody.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Six Flags in La is known as one of the
greater roller coaster parks in all of the world.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah, thanks for trying to hype it up.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
All magic, Yeah, magic Mountain La in Las. Yeah, it's
well to Valencia whatever.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Please, it's all right. It's not Cedar Point.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Like Valencia to La is like La to New York.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
It's the one time that I can say I'm okay
with Ohio. It's the one time otherwise. Yeah, otherwise, I
hate Ohio. Okay, I was born and raised the hate Ohio.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Shout out to our affiliates listening in the Fine state
of Ohio.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
You know what's crazy though, Until I became a post station,
until I became a penn stater, I hated the eastern
side of Pennsylvania like fine, like Philly, like you're like,
I don't. I didn't fool with them. But once I
went to Penn State, that did. But but Ohio with.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
The originally, I just remember Ohio putting to bed the
Big thirty three. We put it to bed after absolutely
drumming bank guys. Dang drumming.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Y'all played football on Ohio man, Like y'all y'all been
drumming us in college football? Yeah, yeah, I mean it's
it's no mistaken that you guys are talented. I mean
generally you hate things that are great. I hate Ohio.
I hate I hate them. I hate them. I hate them.
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Speaker 2 (15:58):
Now it is training camp week where you've got players
reporting the camp and uh, you guys have said that
it's not like how it used to be. No, so
the big question is how.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Did it used to be?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I mean, LaVar told you yesterday some of his stories
of of hazing and whatnot that that really doesn't even
go on anymore, does it.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I have no idea how training camps go anymore. I'm
so far removed from you know. I might go see
the the Raiders this year because I think they're pretty
close by. Aren't they doing Aren't they doing training camp
here Orange County? I might go see the Chargers because
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Navarro is coaching the linebackers and.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
One of the Cowboys do training camp.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
That's snort. I might go see.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I think it's called ox Snart.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
It' dropped my name out there. See there's responsor get.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I'm probably gonna say nothing.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Dang whatever, but I don't know. Jones is pretty big
around these parts.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Right, Damn?
Speaker 4 (17:13):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
You were on the call the other day?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
I was, Oh gosh, I told my mom and my
dad about you two. They're so excited. Oh god, amazing,
this amazing? All right? One?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Three?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
So when did the change happen? Is this all CBA driven? Like,
is it did this which negotiation? Was this twenty eleven
or that?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I think it's like twofold. It's it's CBA driven, But
it's also like the hazing and different things too, where
it's just not as accepted as it used to be,
right like the head shaving. Or I remember one of
the nights and we be up in a hotel there
in Bryo, Ohio, and there is I'm not going to
say who the players were, but there's some older veteran
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players were like when they knocked on your door, it
didn't matter if you were it was past curfew whatever,
like you were, you were listening and so they had
this one room set up and they had a bunch
of beer, like cases of beer stacked in there, and
they made us go into this room. They're like, all right,
you know, here's the deal. You guys need to go.
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Here's three hundred bucks. Go get taco bell and bring
it back. Like what and by the way, three hundred dollars,
Like that's the stenship from the Taco Bell being in
that car like never left or at least not for
like six months. It was so hard to get. I mean,
that's it's so much food. You have no idea how
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much three hundred dollars can buy a taco bell. When
people say it can yeah, this.
Speaker 9 (18:55):
Is back in two thousand and step when people say
it can feed an army. It literally could feed an army,
Like it was that much food. So we've got to
go sneak out from the hotel and go buy three
hundred dollars worth of Taco bell, and which we were
able to kind of do so somewhat.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Successfully that I don't think. I don't think anyone that
the hotel saw us. But we also had security too,
and they they didn't catch us. We knew like what
door to go out from so we go get this done,
we come back in and they start making us like
eat all this crap, I mean, just bad, bad taco bell,
drink and then there's some other extracurriculars too. But it
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was the next morning, every single rookie was dragging ass,
and I remember, like the coaches at one point, we're
kind of let in on it, so they were a
little extra hard on everyone too. I think we were
like even made the condition after a practice. But it
was just kind of one of those moments where like,
all right, like you want to you know, work hard,
play hard type thing, like you're gonna have to like
fight through some of this. It was it was almost
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like a rite of passage there, testing to see how
guys would responding, how guys would go through it. I mean,
it was fun, but at the same time, it was
as a rookie, you're like, all right, I'm i gonna
get fine for this. I'm gonna get in trouble for this.
I have no idea, no idea how this is gonna go.
I don't think any of that stuff goes on into it.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
How long between the taco bell and the first workout
or conditioning you had to do the next day.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I was like, in the morning, I think we'd like
an eight o'clock practice or nine o'clock practicing like that.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
God, we did some horrible things. I've did. I've done
some horrible things.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
The icy hot thing you said, that's we had guys
who you know got that I had that stuff done.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
We've done some horrible things.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Man.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I remember, I'll leave this person's name nameless, but Twitter account,
I don't know. He probably doesn't have Twitter. He's probably
too old. But he recycled some dog some dog stuff
and put it on a paper towel. Oh no, and
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put it under one the rookies pillows in their dorm room. Yeah.
I mean there's been some pretty crazy stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
The old pillowcase, dog crap, move uh own nests, Like,
what what is that smell? Imagine turning the pillow over
because it's hot there.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I don't know how he how he did it, or
how he put it in there or whatever what he did,
but it was under his pillow, that's all I knew.
So gross, man, it's pretty gross. But but but training camp,
you know, training camp is interesting because you're there with
people that aren't going to be there with you, and
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that's not that's like that's the only time, you know,
once you go pro, it's the only time where it's
something like that, Like training camp and college and in
high school was for you to build relationships. You know,
by the time I got to my my second third
year in the league, I stopped relationship building. I was
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just there. If you knew me and I knew you,
we were good. If I didn't know you, i'd speak
to you. But I didn't want to get to know
anybody because you start to realize that that in training camp,
you're you're really there's one thing to be fighting for
your your your your position on on the field, Like
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am I at a starter? Am I second string? You
know what? Am I? It's another thing when you're fighting
to be on the roster, to be on this team,
and you start to see people you know that you've
you've formed relationships with and you've bonded because you're doing
you know, conditioning together, you're going through drills together, You're
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you're going to the dining hall to get you're going
to get taco bell, You're doing all of these things.
And then the next thing you know, you're close with
this guy and then the next thing, you know, here
comes an intern or here comes you know, the certain guy,
and you know he's escorting you out. And I didn't
even understand what that represented my rookie year. I didn't
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even get it. Then then as I start to understand it,
you start to look at the looking these guys's eyes
when they're walking them out of the locker room and
stuff like that. Or you know, it's just you learn
a lot in training camp man. And it's interesting because
I don't know how they do it now, but you're
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always doing something. It's meetings, get a little bit of sleep,
back to meetings on the practice field, get a little food.
It's meetings back on the practice field. It's meetings. Get
some food, get a snack, go to sleep, wake up,
do it again. It's it's like such a grind to
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be in training camp man. You being it'd be like,
what what time we get out of out of out
of me is like nine o'clock nine thirty. It'd be
late as hell getting out of meetings. Then you go like,
go get a snack if if you got you know,
get ice whatever, and then go to bed cause you're hearing.
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Like in some cases they would blow horns in the morning,
and in other cases, I mean, you just you got
you know, they come knock on your door like it's
time to get up, like time to go to work,
and you repeat that process over and over again. Man,
you learn a lot about who you are in training.
Cap TJ was telling the story Marvin Lewis's training camp
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was so hard that dudes were quitting. They didn't even
have to get they didn't even have to get let
go or cut. They were quitting. Just walked away like
this ain't for me. It can be a grueling ask
to get through a training camp.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
It used to be, I mean exactly, but there was
you know, two a day's legit, two a days where
you're banging, you're hitting, and you guys knew that better
than we did. As a quarterback, you're not, but you
get to sit back and watch it and witness it,
and you kind of you're just going, man, this is
It's tough. It's that galvanizing period in time. To a degree,
there's elements of that now. But you know, I think
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what's happened with the league as far as how they've
changed the way they practiced unless hitting and also reducing
the amount of preseason games as where three now will
probably get to two once they put in eighteen regular
season games. It's taken away that, I guess battle for
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making the roster because when you had four games, a
lot of those guys who are competing to make the roster,
to Levar's point about like who's gonna be with you
and who's not those things, every single one was an
outportunity because you weren't just playing for your team trying
to make your team. You're just trying to make the league,
like you were trying to put good tape out there
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to try to make a team. Because one of the
busiest times and you know, it's funny, there's two times
in the NFL where you ask a front office what's
the busiest time for them, they will tell you immediately
after the draft that's one time, and then immediately after
final cuts that's the other time. Because there's still some
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value of guys that you can get not only on
the back end of your roster, but also in the
practice squad, not only on yours, but potentially from others
that you kind of bring on and all that. So
that time period is incredibly valuable, but it really came
from the preseason games. And then obviously, you know the
training camp. You know, not a lot of that's public.
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If you practice against another team something like that, another
team gets a chance to evaluate you and then and
you're out there. So you always felt like you're not
just playing for your team, you're playing for every team
in the NFL anytime you put something on tape. And
that's to me at least, was one of the reasons
why for a lot of the guys who have maybe
their last days playing football, or their back end of
the roster guys, it was incredibly important for preseason games.
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It wasn't for veteran guys, because you know, the older
you get, the more you realize the exact same thing.
LeVar said. It's not relationship building. It's not this like
cohesive you know group that's you know, fighting through something
to get to the season. It's not that anymore. It's
now like you kind of made to make sure you
get their healthy so you can hopefully perform the way
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you'd like to once the season starts. And that's kind
of essentially been how it's been for a while.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Now. I'll tell you one story, and it's always the
funniest story you. Hugh Douglas always laughs his ass off
when I see, like every once in a while he'll laugh.
But we had the Marty Schottenheimer training camp. It was
so hard, it was so hot, it was so grueling.
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One time I lost the color. I couldn't see color.
I had to go get like four bags of fluid. Yeah,
I couldn't see any color, Like it was utterly like
black and white. Just stupid. But the one day, the
one day, Marty decides we're going to do Oklahoma drills
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and Bruce Smith is looking like I'm not doing note
Oklahoma drills, Like what are you crazy? Like you know
what year this is for me? They're like, Bruce, you're
doing the drill like you're in the drill. So Bruce
steps up and does the drill. He's obsessed, upset, like
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straight peed off. He lines up, throws, throws the blocker
out of the way like dang, Bruce's mad. Then he
hits the running back damn straight collision. He hits him
and then he drops right, he drops, He gets up,
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he crapped his shoulder and went off the field. Next next,
maybe two reps or so later, a dude breaks his
leg into Oklahoma drill and Marty goes everybody, let's come
together and let's pray. Everybody like circles up. Everybody's kneeling.
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It gets quiet. Marty's about to pray. Did you hear
somebody in the back go pray?
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Pray for what?
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Pray for someone? That Matt that's going on around here?
Speaker 10 (29:43):
We all turned around, bus out laughing, and it was
Bruce Bro's holding his shoulder hanging off the hanging off
the boats about pray, pray for what.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Pray for somebody?
Speaker 4 (29:59):
That Matt it's going on around.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, legitimately hurt his shoulder, Yes he.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Did, Yeah he did. He did take another physical rep
the rest of that training camp.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
A Lee, I have a question for you because and
then no judgment here, but when's the last time you
ate Taco Bell?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (30:18):
That's a good question. I am not a Taco Bell fin.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
I have had it somewhat recently, but I'm a del
taco guy.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Okay, all right, well all right, it sounds even worse.
Do you like heart or soft tacos from Taco Bell? Soft?
Speaker 7 (30:31):
I like soft shells.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I used to soft guy.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
I used to be really into soft. But you know,
what I tried it recently. The heart the heart shell
tacos are by far better than the soft fire right. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
And by the way, one of the best kept secrets
in fast food is del Taco serves a pretty mean
burger and fries.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
They do so, but they the crinkle fries or whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
You know why that's the best kept secret.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I don't knowbody do it.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Nobody goes.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
That's why, not for a burger or anything.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
This is what I was wondering, is there is there
any way that you can go onto Taco bell dot
com and just you know, do like a make believe order,
and how much could you get today for three hundred dollars?
Speaker 7 (31:14):
I'm pretty sure you could buy a Taco Bell for.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I wonder like, how like how much food?
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
A lot of family packs? Because we used to do
the fifth quarter after when I was coaching, we used
to do a fifth quarter at my house and that
was the only restaurant that would deliver at the hour
that we got home.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Family packs.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Yeah, you could get a lot. You could get a lot.
It's a ton of like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Give you your not spending three hundred bucks?
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Are you not quite three hundred? But it's in the hundreds.
It is in there. I mean it's like what like
twenty twenty people. It's like twenty people or so that
we're coming over. Yeah, well we will. We'll keep you posting.
This is like this. That's how I discovered I like
hard tacos better than soft ones. I was like, man,
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the soft tacos, all right? And then they were out
because everybody was eating soft ones, and I try out
to horror. I was like, wait a second.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
They still do double decker tacos.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Would they put a soft one on top of the harway? Yeah?
I remember that back in the day.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 2 (32:26):
And we welcome in the old p Petros papadekus He
is the cost of the Petros and Money Show, which
you can hear on the Blowtorch and five seven e
LA Sports, a Fox College Football analyst and our buddy Pee.
What's happening?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Good morning, Good.
Speaker 11 (32:40):
Morning to you guys, Hello everybody, Hello, Hello, good morning
greetings to everybody.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Hey, Petros, would you like an intro song. Would you
like something we could play to get you to bring
in every week?
Speaker 5 (32:51):
You know, I like music.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
What do you like?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
What are you feeling? What would I do right now?
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Like limp Biscuit or something like that or no, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
Because that's what I did it all for.
Speaker 11 (33:06):
The first song that came to my mind was any
Weather by Vibes Cartel.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Okay, it's not nookie, no huh.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
But it's amazing that that was ready.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Isn't that good?
Speaker 3 (33:20):
It's amazing or pathetic. It depends on how you look at.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
You got that one on the board, like bang, hit.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
The button, ready to go.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
So so what's the song you just mentioned?
Speaker 11 (33:33):
I said, any Weather by ViBe's Cartel.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Yeah, come on, man, that's that's right.
Speaker 11 (33:38):
I believe it was recorded in prison and the guy
is in jail for a murder or two and there's
an appeals coming up and he's basically, I mean, in
every zinc fence in Jamaica. There's a picture of his
face painted and he starts to shout out all these
weird little neighborhoods in Jamaica, which is like basically like
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shouting out watts or something. But like thirty times smaller.
And he says, to all of Port Moore and all
of Saint James, remember me when I'm gone, And he says,
and he shouts out Salt Spring, just these weird little
towns that I learned about when I was a kid.
So yeah that I would be pumped up for that.
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But I don't know why you'd ask because you're not going.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
To play it.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Yes, we are all promise you you won't.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
There it is?
Speaker 4 (34:31):
How about that?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Come on?
Speaker 4 (34:33):
How about that?
Speaker 11 (34:36):
It's explicit but it doesn't Wait a second.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Wait did it? Oh?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Do we get popped?
Speaker 5 (34:44):
You didn't get popped? He said, broke pocket? Now work.
You guys are so stupid.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
No one's denying that. Petro on that note.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
These damn white people, You stupid whites.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
Oh wow, you guys don't understand atwah do up?
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Let's hit the sports of you.
Speaker 11 (35:05):
You really think one of your listeners in Kenosha is
going to pick up a bad word in Potwaga?
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Right?
Speaker 4 (35:10):
I mean I was thinking the same thing. But you know,
I have you ever been to Kandesha?
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Harry offended.
Speaker 11 (35:15):
I've been to Madison, okay, And when I did a
game in Madison and it was amazing.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
And it's it's applicable.
Speaker 11 (35:23):
To me because I guess us he plays there this
year or the PAC twelve is the good teams for
the PAC twelve are going into the Big Ten mostly.
And I remember I did a game in Wisconsin and
it was Illinois versus Wisconsin in Camp Randall, which is
a very interesting place as far as the history goes anyway.
But in the game that I called, which was like
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a three and a half hour game, it snowed, it rained,
it hailed, and the sun came out.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yep.
Speaker 11 (35:57):
Now, any team from the West coast would lose that
game just off of that, just off of the weather changes.
So it is, uh, it is interesting. I have been
to Wisconsin once.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
It's uh, it's gonna be interesting to see how the
Big Ten hails all that. I do want to go
back because we haven't talked to you since last week
where we discussed the the PAC twelve, and I kind
of tried to make it funny in regards to how
that whole deal was going to go. You gave me
some flack about it.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
However, you were right. It was worse.
Speaker 11 (36:27):
Yeah, it was worse than you anticipated, right, okay, you
want you want your flowers.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I want you.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
I wouldn't you live air.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I told you what was going to happen, and you
did not listen to me, and you texted me the
next day going, yeah, you're right. I left early.
Speaker 11 (36:41):
Well yeah, well, first of all, I had a bit
of a nervous breakdown.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
In Las Vegas because I don't travel well.
Speaker 11 (36:50):
As you know, I don't get out of the house
much so, and and when I'm out of practice for
a long time, it's worse and worse.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
So it was really hard for me just to get
out there.
Speaker 11 (37:01):
I left the cord to my sleep seatpat mask at
home and needed to procure a new cord, and that
hung over me like Darth Vader and a Star Wars
poster for a few hours.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
It really upset me.
Speaker 11 (37:16):
And then I went to the Bellagio, which is where
the Pack two reception was, or the two.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Pack and Olaomi.
Speaker 11 (37:28):
I met Chuck McDonald you know Chuck, right, Yeah, of course.
I met Chuck and Jake Julivet to Great Fox producers
and we had a drink and then we met Devin
Gardner and the Sideline guy for the Brando show.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
God I forget his name. He's like a NASCAR guy.
And we went.
Speaker 11 (37:52):
To over to where the Pack two was now at
the pack too, Merton Hanks and his neck, standing suited
and booted. It's one hundred and thirty degrees in Vegas
and he is suited and booted like Rick Patino coaching
a basketball game and just standing there, arms folded, looking
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hard and like. I smiled at him and waved at me,
and he was like looking like a bouncer, and it
was weird. And then they checked our names and we
went in there and there was a bunch of people
who were there who had been fired by the Pac
twelve that were just there to hang out, which is
deeply depressing. Then there was like Butch the Koug and
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Benny the Beeve just standing around bumping into people.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
And then I went over to the bar.
Speaker 11 (38:45):
And I said, you know, I'll have a maker's mark
on the rocks. Simple drink, guys. We're at the Bolagio,
for God's sakes, And they only had the well drinks.
Now I've got nothing again, Jim Beam and a concert
or something. But I just drove across town in one
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hundred and twenty degree heat in Vegas and all they
had was.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
Jim Beam on the rocks.
Speaker 11 (39:10):
So that happened, and then Yogi Ross started to do
like a presentation, and I just backed.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Out and left.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Was it because of Yogi at that point or what
put your.
Speaker 11 (39:21):
It was a It was a confluence of all of
those things. It was the well drinks, It was the
mass cord. It was Merton Hanks being unfriendly. It was
the depressing nature of the people that were there that
had been fired. It was a gaunt, skinny, weird, googly
eyed Ryan Leaf in the corner. I I I couldn't
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do it.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Whatever happened to him in the glaze? The what him
and Jake Glazer the glaze?
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Oh they hate each other? Oh yeah.
Speaker 11 (39:50):
It was about a real advocacy, real I.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
Don't know, you know, these guys were.
Speaker 11 (39:57):
Mental health guys. I'm I'm mental health guy, but I'm
the opposite direction. I'm about as unhealthy as you could
possibly be.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
So it was sad. But I will say this.
Speaker 11 (40:08):
The next day was really interesting to me, just for
the nature of what I do for work for the
Mountain West and different places like that. I was really
intrigued with some of the coaches I'd met with and
they have a bunch of new coaches in the Mountain West,
and that is a conference. It's not adding or changing
at all, and so that was kind of interesting to
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sit and talk with those guys. I was sad about
Jeff Tedford because he told me his health wasn't doing great,
and a couple of days later he stepped down for
the year, So that part of it sucked. But sitting
there with Jim Calhoun, I mean Troy Calhoun, that was it.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
No, I had to take a sip of watch.
Speaker 11 (40:52):
Troy Calhoun from Air Force is fascinating, you know, because
they have no nil.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
He's so well respected. Like I remember when the Broncos
job would come up, his name would always surface.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Yeah, that probably wouldn't work out.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Well, No, I think a lot of people tend to
think that, Like when you coach a certain style offensively,
especially what it's it's anything in a revolt revolves around
the option. They're like, well, these guys couldn't run an
NFL offense. It's like, well, yeah, they could. They just
they're using what they have to be competitive.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
I mean, I don't know I agree with that.
Speaker 11 (41:21):
Well, yes, but in the case of Calhoun, who's been
coaching at the Military Academy for so long in a while.
But you know, it is interesting because I met with
ken Neamatalolo, which is the new coach at San Jose State.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
And do you know how long he was at Navy?
I mean, I couldn't guess.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
He added me to get sixteen years.
Speaker 5 (41:42):
I said twenty and it was twenty five.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Ye that long, yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
Which was an amazing thing becase.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Not as a head coach though, right, because why I
played against Paul Johnson when he was there.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (41:56):
He said I was at Navy for twenty five years,
which is crazy. So I don't know how long he
was the head coach, but he was long enough. And
he's not going to run an option right at Navy,
He's going to run some At San Jose State, he's
going to run some kind of spread and shred or.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
Something that they do there.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
You go, like, all these guys can adapt if they
if they have to.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
Well it's a different coordinator that he hired, you know.
Speaker 11 (42:19):
But those guys I thought was really interesting to talk to,
especially Calhoun, because they have no NIL, they have no
graduate school for graduate transfers.
Speaker 5 (42:28):
They take no transfers, and they don't red shirt.
Speaker 11 (42:32):
I mean, and they win nine ten games a year
against teams that have all of those things and resources.
So those things are really interesting. And the other thing
that kind of really was glaring to me just to
have a real college football conversation is a lot of
these coaches that I've come across these days, you start
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to really dig into their background, and the less and
less flashy the background, the more and more it seems
that these guys are having respect, and the more and
more these guys seem to be creating a foundation.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
And it's not new.
Speaker 11 (43:08):
I mean, You've got guys all over the NCAA who
are really respected that are like that, like Lepold at
Kansas Climbing at Kansas State, Campbell at Iowa State, and
Willy Fritz, who's coming up. I mean, these coaches who
come from little, tiny places Kaylin de boor you know,
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places like Mount Union where you have to worry about
the laundry getting done. And for some reason, in this
day and age of college football where there's actually a
number connected to most significant players' names and you have
a weird pro style pecking order, and we're kind of
losing the identity of the sport. It seems that players
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relate more and more to guys who are grinders and
guys who have that mentorship and that perspective of coaching
at a place like cal Lutheran or something where you
have to worry about is the guy done with his
job at the library, so he's going to make it
to practice, And he has that job at the library
because he loves playing football so much he has to
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do that job to be on this team. Those kind
of stories from these guys past seem to really resonate
in today's.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
Day and age in this weird kind of.
Speaker 11 (44:26):
Pro style model of college football that we're slipping into,
and talking to these coaches and how they deal with
the players was pretty fascinating because you know, there's no
more I mean, there is such a thing as developing
a team, but that's being done like a third of
your time. The other thirty your time is bringing in
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new transfers, and the other thirty of your time is
trying to re recruit the guys you already have. So
it is kind of a It's interesting to have candid,
private conversations with coaches about modern college football because there's
so much to be said and so much to talk about,
I guess is the way to put it.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
We were talking about training camp starting up and getting going, Petros,
do you have any memorable stories of training camp, whether
for you, whether someone else that that was a part
of your team. What's what's your best one? Give us?
Speaker 5 (45:23):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 11 (45:24):
All kinds of things come to mind, but I don't
know if I've told them before on the air.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
There was one you haven't told before?
Speaker 11 (45:31):
Uh geez, did I tell you guys about Ed Ojeron
and Matt Childers?
Speaker 4 (45:37):
No?
Speaker 5 (45:38):
No, do you guys.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Know about Ed? And we know about Ed?
Speaker 4 (45:42):
Yeah, we know.
Speaker 11 (45:45):
No, Okay, Ed Ojiron was hired at you. Everybody's like, oh,
Pete Carroll ed Ojeron, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
No.
Speaker 11 (45:54):
Edojiron came up as a D line coach for Dennis
Ericson in the Miami years. So that's one name in
college football that you should know. Maybe a little bit
of a controversial figure in his later years, but one
of the great D linemen of all time, Warren Sapp
that was kind of Ed's prototype when he was a
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D line coach at Miami and Paul Hackett, who I
played for at USC offensive coordinator Guy Dallas Cowboys, Niners
West Coast offense. He hired at Ojeron to be our
D line coach, and so he came two years before
Pete Carroll was at s C. Pete Carroll retained at
Ojeron at SC, so ED when he was a defensive
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line coach. You know, was probably the best position coach
of any position coach in the country, and he was
coaching D line right he would and we all know
coaches like this, whether it's offensive line coach, running back coach,
linebacker coach. A guy he was just exceptional as an
individual position coach, and ED was that way. But he
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was ruthless and relentless with those guys, and they hated
him because of the hard work that they had to
put in in many occasions, but they also loved and
respected him because of the way he pushed them and
how good he made him. But anyway, just case in
point before I tell the story, remember Bku kenichi U Daisy.
Speaker 4 (47:27):
I don't know that I do.
Speaker 11 (47:29):
He had cancer and he had to stop in the NFL,
but he recovered from cancer. God bless him, and now
he's an assistant coach. I'm not exactly sure where he's
landed now, but he was the number ten pick in
the draft out of sc plan D line.
Speaker 5 (47:44):
When he got to USC, he.
Speaker 11 (47:46):
Was almost I mean, he was like a six to six,
like almost a three and eighty pound kid, way overweight, right.
I watched Ed carve a player out of that guy,
and in an unbeliev mean he took like a year
and a half ront jogging behind him screaming at him.
You know, just I mean anyway, and had a thing
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where if you went off side in in camp from
your D line position, you had to sit out for
a play. And we were in a situation in camp
where a bunch of guys and this is camp camp,
not before they change the rules and turned it into
a country club. And we had a situation where we
were really thin on defensive line.
Speaker 5 (48:33):
Everybody was hurt.
Speaker 11 (48:34):
So guys that were playing were taking every rep and
we know what that's like, except for Brady in his
different color jersey and nothing back, Brady, nothing, I mean,
but you didn't play lineback.
Speaker 5 (48:51):
I played linebacker in high school with my deck roll.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
I didn't have a deck roll, but I did play linebacker.
Speaker 11 (48:58):
So I thought you took off your your your pads
at every series change and put the neck roll on
the defense. That's right, I'm lacing on the toilet's seat.
So we were in a situation where, you know, where
a week into camp, everybody's dying, everybody hates each other.
There's fistfights twice at practice, every practice. And this guy,
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Matt Childers, who was this transfer from Kansas State, led
us in sacks, tough white d end and a mean,
mean son of the bitch, and Childers was taking every
rep and was so upset with so angry we wouldn't
even speak at dinner.
Speaker 5 (49:41):
I mean, he was.
Speaker 11 (49:42):
Surly for days and days, and his hands were so
swollen that they looked like boxing gloves, I mean, and
Ed was just, you know, you gotta play.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
Everybody hurt.
Speaker 11 (49:55):
So finally, in some team period, shoulders On purpose just
goes off sides so he can come out for a
play because he's that exhausted, and just goes off sides defiantly,
jogs off the field, takes a knee by the water machine,
and it's just staring at the ground. Right, Ed Ojeron
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walks up maybe three yards from him, and kind of
squats down and extends both middle fingers maybe about a
yard from Childers's face, right, And Childers is just you know,
boxing gloves, hands a lot on his face, you know,
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holding the helmet, you know, as the prop when he's
on one knee.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
You know, we know that.
Speaker 11 (50:48):
And Ed was standing there with both middle fingers kind
of in a squatting position, almost like in a ready position,
like a linebacker stands with both middle fingers out and goes.
They chilled us elm and I was.
Speaker 5 (51:05):
Like, Wow, that's a great camp Briton memory.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
That's very funny.
Speaker 11 (51:11):
Another good one was we had a we had a
tight end named Antoine Harris. His dad his father passed,
but his father was a comedian member Robin Harris Baba's kids. Yeah, yeah,
from the house party and all that. I come from
a town called Freshmen the Cops Ham.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (51:31):
And uh, Antoine was a great he is a great
guy and I loved playing with him. And one time
we were early in camp where we you know, were
not in pads yet, and they were running everybody to
death and we're and we had young players who had
not been in pads yet. So you know, the trepidation
from your freshman class. You know, those twenty guys are
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all freaked out looking at each other. And at dinner antwine,
Harris had a full body cramp and fell on the
ground like a two by four and you know, his
his plate flew and everything, and he was laying there
like convulsing, screaming. And you know somebody ever has like
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a full body cramp, you know in a football field,
like you.
Speaker 5 (52:15):
Touch them, yeah, their their body is hard and reach it,
you know. And it was the flight.
Speaker 11 (52:20):
They pulled up the cart and like three trainers threw
them on the back of the cart and then just
drove off down the street and Irvine where we sid Yeah,
and he was screaming like a and it's like a
Doppler effect, you know, as he went by on the cart.
Speaker 4 (52:34):
Like.
Speaker 11 (52:36):
And just to see the look on the young guy's
faces like oh no.
Speaker 5 (52:42):
And I was like, yeah, this is a terrible place.
And we're here for three weeks.
Speaker 11 (52:48):
And we had a deaf guy, a deaf linebacker from
Saint Louis named John Cousins. Right, he was the best,
and he was a wonderful guy, and he was pretty
much deaf, and he brought the Nelly tapes. No one
had Nelly. You know, Nelly was just coming out that
(53:08):
his first big yeah yeah. And that's how John Cousins
would sing it because he was deaf and he had
a big ass boombox and he would walk around with
the boombox with the Nelly right in his ear because
he was deaf, and you know, he would just walk
around shirtless and irvine between practices, like and he got
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he couldn't hear and he got hit by a car.
I mean he recovered, he was finely, jumped right back
up and was like, you know, well on.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
That note, we love you.
Speaker 5 (53:58):
Clearly didn't see the car coming.
Speaker 11 (54:01):
He didn't show up for practice one time and it
was like they we all got into the Has anybody
seen John Couzins. Well he was asleep when I left.
He's deaf. You have to wake him up.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Oh my gosh, there he is at the old on Twitter.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feel in here on a Wednesday morning?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
A lot better than now that I heard that song. Yeah,
just gets me in the morning.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
You know, I don't blame you. Oh he came in
with sarcasm. What I don't know, man, Now, every time
I hear you talking, now, I just see you sitting
in front of an American flag and just looking like
a clean ass, all American dude. Man. Like, dang, I
don't see sarcasm coming from that guy. But I guess
(00:42):
you should have seen his text messages.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I'm not sure that that music.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
No, it does not, Actually it does not. In fact,
it's quite the opposite. Listen to Historically speaking, that is,
it's going to be a difficult day for a lot
of people.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Why.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I really don't know what's on. Sports wise, It's like
they call one of the slowest days of the year
from a sports gambling standpoint, like the slowest day of
the year. It's the one day where like handicappers will
actually take a day off be like, all right, I
want to go see my family finally, because after the
All Star Game, now you're just looking around going, I
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don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Maybe, I mean, some people will be like, look, I've
done this for so long, I don't even want to
do it anything.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I quit, I'm stepping down, I'm done. Moving on. Sports
is so slow right now, only you want to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, they're just gonna just gonna skip past that. Huh yeah,
just go you know what we're gonna do, just skip
all the way past that, just gonna just skip to
my loop. So congratulations, congratulations to the American League win
(02:00):
the All Star Game for the tenth time the last
eleven years. Whatever the hell that means.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Oh, it just means like that collection of teams is
just it's just better, right.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I mean, imagine being a Cubs fan and rooting for
the n L and having just hanging over your head
the whole time.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I wouldn't know.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I mean, some of us who are Guardians fans are
excited about that.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Oh God, listen to you calling them the Guardians.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
What they used to be called when you were growing up?
What was your your team?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
They were the Cleveland Indians. Yeah, they had a mascot
named Chief Wahoo. That is the history of the team
that I do and rooted for growing up Cleveland Indians nice,
which you know, like it was it was heartbreaking at times,
right like you just kept seeing these loaded teams. I mean,
(02:51):
at one point I could have named I think the
the starting lineup. I think I could have named the
starting lineup. I'm not sure if it's quite true. Outfield's
a little bit fuzzy, but I mean you had both
Alamars behind the played second base, right Chris Quell played shortstop,
told me at first pitching's fuzzy loft in center field.
(03:15):
I mean, I mean, dude, they were, they were stacked.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I mean, they don't.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Don't forget about one of the great Cleveland Indians of
all time, Jose Mesa. You know, don't forget about that.
It was either DH though, no, he's they're closer, closer. Sorry,
he's the one that blew the World Series in ninety seven,
I think against the Marlins.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeap, thirteen years old, thanks for that. That was. This
is a year after what the Braves. I believe they
beat the Atlanta Braves. I think so h excuse me,
they lost the Elena Birs who was there I'm trying
to think of Albert Bell. Albert Bell, that was right field.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, Carlos by Ergo was.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Uh, you're not even looking down for it either, like
you got it in your head. You guys are no man.
Those teams were so good, they were so.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Really really good.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah, I wouldn't it broke my heart.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I mean, Jonas is used to teams breaking his heart
outside of the Bandwagon, teams he roots for, like the
Penguins of the Celtics.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Oh, come on, yeah, I mean, we don't need to
take shots like this.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Your Chicago Times bring you there, though, you know, outside
of that eighty five Bears Super Bowl, it's like it's
been slim pickings by the way.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
You know, I think the Bears since the eighty five season,
if I if I think I have this correct, I
think they've got less than five playoff wins since that
eighty five season, Like it has been a disaster.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
But you know, you guys who are sitting.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
You would have been better off of Bears tickets.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Buddy, I don't want either, So I don't know why
you keep bringing that up. I don't know what the
tickets joke is. I mean it really, you know, feels rude.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
It's crazy I'm sitting here thinking about it. I at
least had the pins growing up, but the stealers didn't
get me. In fact, the Stellers broke our hearts. The
eighties were lean right, well, the eight that the seventies
crushed it. Eighties nothing, nineties really kind of nothing. A
(05:09):
lot of teases though. Did we get a Super Bowl
in the nineties. I know we went to one, and
I will never forget where I was at, what I
was doing when we lost to the Dallas Cowboys. How
Neil O'Donnell said, it's not his style to take the blame.
It's a team lost, not his loss.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
What about that loss in the AFC title Game against
the charge of.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Chargers that I mean that they like? When I think
about it, you guys talking about Cleveland like we wasn't
getting I mean, we had the pens though, we did
have the pens, but we had a loaded baseball team too.
Didn't win s. We ain't win s. We had the
Hammer himself, we had Barry Bonds. We weren't winning nothing.
(05:49):
We had Bobby Boonia. They still paying Bobby bo Andy
Van Sleyke like Doug d we ain't win s. We've
been let down.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
If you're in Pittsburgh and you're probably awake, one in
one places has listening to us as a morning show
and not sleep like we should be. I'll tell you
what we've been let down to. We've been tricked, we've
been hoodwinked.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Hold on, you're trying to make us feel bad for
an organization that hasn't had a losing season since two
thousand and three.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I'd rather just suck. Let's just thinking.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Think about that. You haven't had a losing season since
two thousand and three, and you're complaining, yes, it's been
over two decades.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Once you've proved it, once you've proven you've done it,
once you've proven you can win.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Stop.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
It's what I was saying. I need it. I need
a super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
That's fine, you've had.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I need another, give me, give me another, all right?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
So I just want to Cleveland to get something, all right?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
If you can.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Get the World Series super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Okay, let me ask you this in a twenty year span,
would you rather have one championship in nineteen losing seasons
or twenty.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Good years but no super Bowl, no championship. It's a
great would you read yth.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Have no references?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Well, I'll take the twenty years of decent play because
a team winning a championship does nothing for me as
a fan. What I don't get a ring.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
I didn't do something. The whole point of it is
to win a championship. So if your team won a
champion as a player, of course no as a fan,
like you want to see your team win a championship
as a fan, why you want them to? Just if
that's the case, then everybody should be happy with the
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Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
But I'm talking about two different and they are. But
I'm talking about two different, like two different scenarios. You
can have twenty years of consistency, sustain success. You're a
good team, but you don't win the ultimate prize or
one time you win it and nineteen bags of crap?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
All right, where's the twenty where's the nineteen bags of crap? At?
Is it splitting that in the middle? Is it you
got the championship and you got all nineteen after? Is
it nineteen leading up to that? One year? At year twenty?
Which houses? How are you her positioning? Which is more palpable?
Is it right in the middle? I think it makes
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it harder to make the decision if you put it
in the middle, if you put the championship in the middle.
So you have you have what seven eight years nine years.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Bad play, You get one title, and then you got
seven eight.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Nine years of bad would you which would you take?
I'm taking that championship in the middle.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I'm taking that championship because at least I can say,
at least I can say we were working up to
winning a championship and we got it. At least I
could say, you know what, we stink, we suck, but
we got a championship eight nine years ago.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
And then you got to turn around and take the
escalator all the way back down to.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Crapville with a championship. Imagine just never having a championship,
like you you don't have a champion Yeah, thanks man,
Sorry Brady, you don't have one. Hey.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
By the way, that's not true. The Lake Erie Monsters
won like a minor league hockey title.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
We take Lake Lake Erie. You know what do you mean?
The A claims Lake Aria.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Wait isn't Lake Erie in Cleveland Erie or Arie Arie whatever.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Arie. I'm from Pittsburgh. Man. It comes out every once
in a while.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I mean, I've never heard anyone lake Arie like I
say it. That's great and.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Let me let me also just say this, Steve Amy
Ochic from Cleveland, probably the greatest UFC heavyweight of all time.
Champion the Cleveland Cavaliers won a title in twenty sixteen. Yes,
so the so then.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
About the championship. Yeah, when we be honest about the championship,
had he not left and come back, it would have
been better the whole. It's just something about the leaving
and coming back. It was like, yeah, you came back,
thank you, but then you left again and just you know.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
I mean, think about that. Y'all was so bad. Y'all's
owner was like, we up out of here, We're taken
our team and we leave.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Damn. That was the Browns.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, why do you claim the raven Super Bowls?
Speaker 4 (10:36):
What's wrong that? I mean, that is your team, That's
the team, that's arts team.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Do you want to talk about it?
Speaker 4 (10:43):
All right?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
All right, I'd like to focus on the fact that, uh,
you know, it's been been a fun ride.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
You know, how does that work? How do you leave?
We have at Cedar Point? You do have Cedar Point,
got Cedar Point. I'll put that up here. You do
have Cedar Point with thrills, and that is the best
place on earth for roller coasters. I'm sorry they.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Got a new one that goes like one hundred and
twenty miles per hour.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Nice. Yeah, shoot you Ford backwards crazy. We used to
go just for the roller coasters. They would ain't nobody
messing with Cedar Point like they be talking about Knots
Landing and you know going to six Flags and Noah
bro Cedar Point was not a joke. When and it
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was worth to drive go to Cedar Point, you'd be excited,
go stand that motel, that inn. You couldn't afford a
hotel back then, you just go to the motel, the
n You just you're walking outside and you could hear
you could hear the roller coasters and the people screaming
Cedar Point.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Baby, I gotta be honest with you. It's kind of
a little nickel and dime here.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
No King's dominion, none of that.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Just I mean, I'm you would crap your pa a
minimum heart require Wait, Lee on top of that would
throw over crapper his pants.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
First off, do you write roller coasters?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Lee?
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Of course I do. Okay, my old man creates theme parks. Yeah,
you write roller coaster? Push Gardens is a good one.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Roller coasters.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Are you a screamer? Yes?
Speaker 7 (12:20):
Magic Mountain, I was raised there. I love the big ones.
It's very farm too.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Good morning, Brady.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
You're a screamer.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yes, you don't scream? Then you're not writing the coaster proper?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Are you a screamerly?
Speaker 7 (12:30):
Do you put hands up?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Is the question?
Speaker 7 (12:31):
Hands up all the time unless I think I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Hit a bar or something.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
Yeah, I'm a laugher. I like laughing.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Oh you're a laugher.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
You a laugher? H What does that sound?
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Likely?
Speaker 7 (12:40):
I can't recreate it.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
I do know this.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
When he's uh been licking the lid a little bit,
he snorts, he does.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
He does.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Just give us a sample of what the laugh sounds.
Many people whould laugh on a roller coaster, Eddie.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Do you rat roller coasters?
Speaker 7 (13:05):
I did when I was a kid, but as I
have gotten older stomach.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
They can't. I don't go on the swings.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
We have a season passing Disneyland, and my wife's pissed
off of me because I won't go on the incredit
coaster with her.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
Just a great coaster.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
I know it's not great if afterwards you get off
and you have to go sit down for thirty minutes,
you're got a pute.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah, kind of ruins the day.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I mean, I'm looking at Cedar Point, I got not
impressed a lot of the majority of the height requirements.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
You couldn't handle it our forty eight inches. You'd have
a bowel movement in your pants.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Some people were meant to grow up in different places
other than where we grew up. That's all. It's just what.
It's just not that life isn't meant for everybody.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Six Flags in La is known as one of the
greater roller coaster parks in all of the world.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah, thanks for trying to hype it up.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
All magic, Yeah, magic Mountain La in Las. Yeah, it's
well to Valencia whatever.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Please, it's all right. It's not Cedar Point.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Like Valencia to La is like La to New York.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
It's the one time that I can say I'm okay
with Ohio. It's the one time otherwise. Yeah, otherwise, I
hate Ohio. Okay, I was born and raised the hate Ohio.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Shout out to our affiliates listening in the Fine state
of Ohio.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
You know what's crazy though, Until I became a post station,
until I became a penn stater, I hated the eastern
side of Pennsylvania like fine, like Philly, like you're like,
I don't. I didn't fool with them. But once I
went to Penn State, that did. But but Ohio with.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
The originally, I just remember Ohio putting to bed the
Big thirty three. We put it to bed after absolutely
drumming bank guys. Dang drumming.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Y'all played football on Ohio man, Like y'all y'all been
drumming us in college football? Yeah, yeah, I mean it's
it's no mistaken that you guys are talented. I mean
generally you hate things that are great. I hate Ohio.
I hate I hate them. I hate them. I hate them.
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Speaker 2 (15:58):
Now it is training camp week where you've got players
reporting the camp and uh, you guys have said that
it's not like how it used to be. No, so
the big question is how.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Did it used to be?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I mean, LaVar told you yesterday some of his stories
of of hazing and whatnot that that really doesn't even
go on anymore, does it.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I have no idea how training camps go anymore. I'm
so far removed from you know. I might go see
the the Raiders this year because I think they're pretty
close by. Aren't they doing Aren't they doing training camp
here Orange County? I might go see the Chargers because
(16:44):
Navarro is coaching the linebackers and.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
One of the Cowboys do training camp.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
That's snort. I might go see.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I think it's called ox Snart.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
It' dropped my name out there. See there's responsor get.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I'm probably gonna say nothing.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Dang whatever, but I don't know. Jones is pretty big
around these parts.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Right, Damn?
Speaker 4 (17:13):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
You were on the call the other day?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
I was, Oh gosh, I told my mom and my
dad about you two. They're so excited. Oh god, amazing,
this amazing? All right? One?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Three?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
So when did the change happen? Is this all CBA driven? Like,
is it did this which negotiation? Was this twenty eleven
or that?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I think it's like twofold. It's it's CBA driven, But
it's also like the hazing and different things too, where
it's just not as accepted as it used to be,
right like the head shaving. Or I remember one of
the nights and we be up in a hotel there
in Bryo, Ohio, and there is I'm not going to
say who the players were, but there's some older veteran
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players were like when they knocked on your door, it
didn't matter if you were it was past curfew whatever,
like you were, you were listening and so they had
this one room set up and they had a bunch
of beer, like cases of beer stacked in there, and
they made us go into this room. They're like, all right,
you know, here's the deal. You guys need to go.
(18:29):
Here's three hundred bucks. Go get taco bell and bring
it back. Like what and by the way, three hundred dollars,
Like that's the stenship from the Taco Bell being in
that car like never left or at least not for
like six months. It was so hard to get. I mean,
that's it's so much food. You have no idea how
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much three hundred dollars can buy a taco bell. When
people say it can yeah, this.
Speaker 9 (18:55):
Is back in two thousand and step when people say
it can feed an army. It literally could feed an army,
Like it was that much food. So we've got to
go sneak out from the hotel and go buy three
hundred dollars worth of Taco bell, and which we were
able to kind of do so somewhat.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Successfully that I don't think. I don't think anyone that
the hotel saw us. But we also had security too,
and they they didn't catch us. We knew like what
door to go out from so we go get this done,
we come back in and they start making us like
eat all this crap, I mean, just bad, bad taco bell,
drink and then there's some other extracurriculars too. But it
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was the next morning, every single rookie was dragging ass,
and I remember, like the coaches at one point, we're
kind of let in on it, so they were a
little extra hard on everyone too. I think we were
like even made the condition after a practice. But it
was just kind of one of those moments where like,
all right, like you want to you know, work hard,
play hard type thing, like you're gonna have to like
fight through some of this. It was it was almost
(19:58):
like a rite of passage there, testing to see how
guys would responding, how guys would go through it. I mean,
it was fun, but at the same time, it was
as a rookie, you're like, all right, I'm i gonna
get fine for this. I'm gonna get in trouble for this.
I have no idea, no idea how this is gonna go.
I don't think any of that stuff goes on into it.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
How long between the taco bell and the first workout
or conditioning you had to do the next day.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I was like, in the morning, I think we'd like
an eight o'clock practice or nine o'clock practicing like that.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
God, we did some horrible things. I've did. I've done
some horrible things.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
The icy hot thing you said, that's we had guys
who you know got that I had that stuff done.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
We've done some horrible things.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Man.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I remember, I'll leave this person's name nameless, but Twitter account,
I don't know. He probably doesn't have Twitter. He's probably
too old. But he recycled some dog some dog stuff
and put it on a paper towel. Oh no, and
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put it under one the rookies pillows in their dorm room. Yeah.
I mean there's been some pretty crazy stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
The old pillowcase, dog crap, move uh own nests, Like,
what what is that smell? Imagine turning the pillow over
because it's hot there.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I don't know how he how he did it, or
how he put it in there or whatever what he did,
but it was under his pillow, that's all I knew.
So gross, man, it's pretty gross. But but but training camp,
you know, training camp is interesting because you're there with
people that aren't going to be there with you, and
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that's not that's like that's the only time, you know,
once you go pro, it's the only time where it's
something like that, Like training camp and college and in
high school was for you to build relationships. You know,
by the time I got to my my second third
year in the league, I stopped relationship building. I was
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just there. If you knew me and I knew you,
we were good. If I didn't know you, i'd speak
to you. But I didn't want to get to know
anybody because you start to realize that that in training camp,
you're you're really there's one thing to be fighting for
your your your your position on on the field, Like
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am I at a starter? Am I second string? You
know what? Am I? It's another thing when you're fighting
to be on the roster, to be on this team,
and you start to see people you know that you've
you've formed relationships with and you've bonded because you're doing
you know, conditioning together, you're going through drills together, You're
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you're going to the dining hall to get you're going
to get taco bell, You're doing all of these things.
And then the next thing you know, you're close with
this guy and then the next thing, you know, here
comes an intern or here comes you know, the certain guy,
and you know he's escorting you out. And I didn't
even understand what that represented my rookie year. I didn't
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even get it. Then then as I start to understand it,
you start to look at the looking these guys's eyes
when they're walking them out of the locker room and
stuff like that. Or you know, it's just you learn
a lot in training camp man. And it's interesting because
I don't know how they do it now, but you're
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always doing something. It's meetings, get a little bit of sleep,
back to meetings on the practice field, get a little food.
It's meetings back on the practice field. It's meetings. Get
some food, get a snack, go to sleep, wake up,
do it again. It's it's like such a grind to
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be in training camp man. You being it'd be like,
what what time we get out of out of out
of me is like nine o'clock nine thirty. It'd be
late as hell getting out of meetings. Then you go like,
go get a snack if if you got you know,
get ice whatever, and then go to bed cause you're hearing.
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Like in some cases they would blow horns in the morning,
and in other cases, I mean, you just you got
you know, they come knock on your door like it's
time to get up, like time to go to work,
and you repeat that process over and over again. Man,
you learn a lot about who you are in training.
Cap TJ was telling the story Marvin Lewis's training camp
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was so hard that dudes were quitting. They didn't even
have to get they didn't even have to get let
go or cut. They were quitting. Just walked away like
this ain't for me. It can be a grueling ask
to get through a training camp.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
It used to be, I mean exactly, but there was
you know, two a day's legit, two a days where
you're banging, you're hitting, and you guys knew that better
than we did. As a quarterback, you're not, but you
get to sit back and watch it and witness it,
and you kind of you're just going, man, this is
It's tough. It's that galvanizing period in time. To a degree,
there's elements of that now. But you know, I think
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what's happened with the league as far as how they've
changed the way they practiced unless hitting and also reducing
the amount of preseason games as where three now will
probably get to two once they put in eighteen regular
season games. It's taken away that, I guess battle for
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making the roster because when you had four games, a
lot of those guys who are competing to make the roster,
to Levar's point about like who's gonna be with you
and who's not those things, every single one was an
outportunity because you weren't just playing for your team trying
to make your team. You're just trying to make the league,
like you were trying to put good tape out there
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to try to make a team. Because one of the
busiest times and you know, it's funny, there's two times
in the NFL where you ask a front office what's
the busiest time for them, they will tell you immediately
after the draft that's one time, and then immediately after
final cuts that's the other time. Because there's still some
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value of guys that you can get not only on
the back end of your roster, but also in the
practice squad, not only on yours, but potentially from others
that you kind of bring on and all that. So
that time period is incredibly valuable, but it really came
from the preseason games. And then obviously, you know the
training camp. You know, not a lot of that's public.
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If you practice against another team something like that, another
team gets a chance to evaluate you and then and
you're out there. So you always felt like you're not
just playing for your team, you're playing for every team
in the NFL anytime you put something on tape. And
that's to me at least, was one of the reasons
why for a lot of the guys who have maybe
their last days playing football, or their back end of
the roster guys, it was incredibly important for preseason games.
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It wasn't for veteran guys, because you know, the older
you get, the more you realize the exact same thing.
LeVar said. It's not relationship building. It's not this like
cohesive you know group that's you know, fighting through something
to get to the season. It's not that anymore. It's
now like you kind of made to make sure you
get their healthy so you can hopefully perform the way
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you'd like to once the season starts. And that's kind
of essentially been how it's been for a while.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Now. I'll tell you one story, and it's always the
funniest story you. Hugh Douglas always laughs his ass off
when I see, like every once in a while he'll laugh.
But we had the Marty Schottenheimer training camp. It was
so hard, it was so hot, it was so grueling.
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One time I lost the color. I couldn't see color.
I had to go get like four bags of fluid. Yeah,
I couldn't see any color, Like it was utterly like
black and white. Just stupid. But the one day, the
one day, Marty decides we're going to do Oklahoma drills
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and Bruce Smith is looking like I'm not doing note
Oklahoma drills, Like what are you crazy? Like you know
what year this is for me? They're like, Bruce, you're
doing the drill like you're in the drill. So Bruce
steps up and does the drill. He's obsessed, upset, like
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straight peed off. He lines up, throws, throws the blocker
out of the way like dang, Bruce's mad. Then he
hits the running back damn straight collision. He hits him
and then he drops right, he drops, He gets up,
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he crapped his shoulder and went off the field. Next next,
maybe two reps or so later, a dude breaks his
leg into Oklahoma drill and Marty goes everybody, let's come
together and let's pray. Everybody like circles up. Everybody's kneeling.
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It gets quiet. Marty's about to pray. Did you hear
somebody in the back go pray?
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Pray for what?
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Pray for someone? That Matt that's going on around here?
Speaker 10 (29:43):
We all turned around, bus out laughing, and it was
Bruce Bro's holding his shoulder hanging off the hanging off
the boats about pray, pray for what.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Pray for somebody?
Speaker 4 (29:59):
That Matt it's going on around.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, legitimately hurt his shoulder, Yes he.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Did, Yeah he did. He did take another physical rep
the rest of that training camp.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
A Lee, I have a question for you because and
then no judgment here, but when's the last time you
ate Taco Bell?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (30:18):
That's a good question. I am not a Taco Bell fin.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
I have had it somewhat recently, but I'm a del
taco guy.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Okay, all right, well all right, it sounds even worse.
Do you like heart or soft tacos from Taco Bell? Soft?
Speaker 7 (30:31):
I like soft shells.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I used to soft guy.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
I used to be really into soft. But you know,
what I tried it recently. The heart the heart shell
tacos are by far better than the soft fire right. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
And by the way, one of the best kept secrets
in fast food is del Taco serves a pretty mean
burger and fries.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
They do so, but they the crinkle fries or whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
You know why that's the best kept secret.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I don't knowbody do it.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Nobody goes.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
That's why, not for a burger or anything.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
This is what I was wondering, is there is there
any way that you can go onto Taco bell dot
com and just you know, do like a make believe order,
and how much could you get today for three hundred dollars?
Speaker 7 (31:14):
I'm pretty sure you could buy a Taco Bell for.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I wonder like, how like how much food?
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
A lot of family packs? Because we used to do
the fifth quarter after when I was coaching, we used
to do a fifth quarter at my house and that
was the only restaurant that would deliver at the hour
that we got home.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Family packs.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Yeah, you could get a lot. You could get a lot.
It's a ton of like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Give you your not spending three hundred bucks?
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Are you not quite three hundred? But it's in the hundreds.
It is in there. I mean it's like what like
twenty twenty people. It's like twenty people or so that
we're coming over. Yeah, well we will. We'll keep you posting.
This is like this. That's how I discovered I like
hard tacos better than soft ones. I was like, man,
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the soft tacos, all right? And then they were out
because everybody was eating soft ones, and I try out
to horror. I was like, wait a second.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
They still do double decker tacos.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Would they put a soft one on top of the harway? Yeah?
I remember that back in the day.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 2 (32:26):
And we welcome in the old p Petros papadekus He
is the cost of the Petros and Money Show, which
you can hear on the Blowtorch and five seven e
LA Sports, a Fox College Football analyst and our buddy Pee.
What's happening?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Good morning, Good.
Speaker 11 (32:40):
Morning to you guys, Hello everybody, Hello, Hello, good morning
greetings to everybody.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Hey, Petros, would you like an intro song. Would you
like something we could play to get you to bring
in every week?
Speaker 5 (32:51):
You know, I like music.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
What do you like?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
What are you feeling? What would I do right now?
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Like limp Biscuit or something like that or no, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
Because that's what I did it all for.
Speaker 11 (33:06):
The first song that came to my mind was any
Weather by Vibes Cartel.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Okay, it's not nookie, no huh.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
But it's amazing that that was ready.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Isn't that good?
Speaker 3 (33:20):
It's amazing or pathetic. It depends on how you look at.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
You got that one on the board, like bang, hit.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
The button, ready to go.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
So so what's the song you just mentioned?
Speaker 11 (33:33):
I said, any Weather by ViBe's Cartel.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Yeah, come on, man, that's that's right.
Speaker 11 (33:38):
I believe it was recorded in prison and the guy
is in jail for a murder or two and there's
an appeals coming up and he's basically, I mean, in
every zinc fence in Jamaica. There's a picture of his
face painted and he starts to shout out all these
weird little neighborhoods in Jamaica, which is like basically like
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shouting out watts or something. But like thirty times smaller.
And he says, to all of Port Moore and all
of Saint James, remember me when I'm gone, And he says,
and he shouts out Salt Spring, just these weird little
towns that I learned about when I was a kid.
So yeah that I would be pumped up for that.
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But I don't know why you'd ask because you're not going.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
To play it.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Yes, we are all promise you you won't.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
There it is?
Speaker 4 (34:31):
How about that?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Come on?
Speaker 4 (34:33):
How about that?
Speaker 11 (34:36):
It's explicit but it doesn't Wait a second.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Wait did it? Oh?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Do we get popped?
Speaker 5 (34:44):
You didn't get popped? He said, broke pocket? Now work.
You guys are so stupid.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
No one's denying that. Petro on that note.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
These damn white people, You stupid whites.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
Oh wow, you guys don't understand atwah do up?
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Let's hit the sports of you.
Speaker 11 (35:05):
You really think one of your listeners in Kenosha is
going to pick up a bad word in Potwaga?
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Right?
Speaker 4 (35:10):
I mean I was thinking the same thing. But you know,
I have you ever been to Kandesha?
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Harry offended.
Speaker 11 (35:15):
I've been to Madison, okay, And when I did a
game in Madison and it was amazing.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
And it's it's applicable.
Speaker 11 (35:23):
To me because I guess us he plays there this
year or the PAC twelve is the good teams for
the PAC twelve are going into the Big Ten mostly.
And I remember I did a game in Wisconsin and
it was Illinois versus Wisconsin in Camp Randall, which is
a very interesting place as far as the history goes anyway.
But in the game that I called, which was like
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a three and a half hour game, it snowed, it rained,
it hailed, and the sun came out.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yep.
Speaker 11 (35:57):
Now, any team from the West coast would lose that
game just off of that, just off of the weather changes.
So it is, uh, it is interesting. I have been
to Wisconsin once.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
It's uh, it's gonna be interesting to see how the
Big Ten hails all that. I do want to go
back because we haven't talked to you since last week
where we discussed the the PAC twelve, and I kind
of tried to make it funny in regards to how
that whole deal was going to go. You gave me
some flack about it.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
However, you were right. It was worse.
Speaker 11 (36:27):
Yeah, it was worse than you anticipated, right, okay, you
want you want your flowers.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I want you.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
I wouldn't you live air.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I told you what was going to happen, and you
did not listen to me, and you texted me the
next day going, yeah, you're right. I left early.
Speaker 11 (36:41):
Well yeah, well, first of all, I had a bit
of a nervous breakdown.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
In Las Vegas because I don't travel well.
Speaker 11 (36:50):
As you know, I don't get out of the house
much so, and and when I'm out of practice for
a long time, it's worse and worse.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
So it was really hard for me just to get
out there.
Speaker 11 (37:01):
I left the cord to my sleep seatpat mask at
home and needed to procure a new cord, and that
hung over me like Darth Vader and a Star Wars
poster for a few hours.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
It really upset me.
Speaker 11 (37:16):
And then I went to the Bellagio, which is where
the Pack two reception was, or the two.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Pack and Olaomi.
Speaker 11 (37:28):
I met Chuck McDonald you know Chuck, right, Yeah, of course.
I met Chuck and Jake Julivet to Great Fox producers
and we had a drink and then we met Devin
Gardner and the Sideline guy for the Brando show.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
God I forget his name. He's like a NASCAR guy.
And we went.
Speaker 11 (37:52):
To over to where the Pack two was now at
the pack too, Merton Hanks and his neck, standing suited
and booted. It's one hundred and thirty degrees in Vegas
and he is suited and booted like Rick Patino coaching
a basketball game and just standing there, arms folded, looking
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hard and like. I smiled at him and waved at me,
and he was like looking like a bouncer, and it
was weird. And then they checked our names and we
went in there and there was a bunch of people
who were there who had been fired by the Pac
twelve that were just there to hang out, which is
deeply depressing. Then there was like Butch the Koug and
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Benny the Beeve just standing around bumping into people.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
And then I went over to the bar.
Speaker 11 (38:45):
And I said, you know, I'll have a maker's mark
on the rocks. Simple drink, guys. We're at the Bolagio,
for God's sakes, And they only had the well drinks.
Now I've got nothing again, Jim Beam and a concert
or something. But I just drove across town in one
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hundred and twenty degree heat in Vegas and all they
had was.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
Jim Beam on the rocks.
Speaker 11 (39:10):
So that happened, and then Yogi Ross started to do
like a presentation, and I just backed.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Out and left.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Was it because of Yogi at that point or what
put your.
Speaker 11 (39:21):
It was a It was a confluence of all of
those things. It was the well drinks, It was the
mass cord. It was Merton Hanks being unfriendly. It was
the depressing nature of the people that were there that
had been fired. It was a gaunt, skinny, weird, googly
eyed Ryan Leaf in the corner. I I I couldn't
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do it.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Whatever happened to him in the glaze? The what him
and Jake Glazer the glaze?
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Oh they hate each other? Oh yeah.
Speaker 11 (39:50):
It was about a real advocacy, real I.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
Don't know, you know, these guys were.
Speaker 11 (39:57):
Mental health guys. I'm I'm mental health guy, but I'm
the opposite direction. I'm about as unhealthy as you could
possibly be.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
So it was sad. But I will say this.
Speaker 11 (40:08):
The next day was really interesting to me, just for
the nature of what I do for work for the
Mountain West and different places like that. I was really
intrigued with some of the coaches I'd met with and
they have a bunch of new coaches in the Mountain West,
and that is a conference. It's not adding or changing
at all, and so that was kind of interesting to
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sit and talk with those guys. I was sad about
Jeff Tedford because he told me his health wasn't doing great,
and a couple of days later he stepped down for
the year, So that part of it sucked. But sitting
there with Jim Calhoun, I mean Troy Calhoun, that was it.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
No, I had to take a sip of watch.
Speaker 11 (40:52):
Troy Calhoun from Air Force is fascinating, you know, because
they have no nil.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
He's so well respected. Like I remember when the Broncos
job would come up, his name would always surface.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Yeah, that probably wouldn't work out.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Well, No, I think a lot of people tend to
think that, Like when you coach a certain style offensively,
especially what it's it's anything in a revolt revolves around
the option. They're like, well, these guys couldn't run an
NFL offense. It's like, well, yeah, they could. They just
they're using what they have to be competitive.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
I mean, I don't know I agree with that.
Speaker 11 (41:21):
Well, yes, but in the case of Calhoun, who's been
coaching at the Military Academy for so long in a while.
But you know, it is interesting because I met with
ken Neamatalolo, which is the new coach at San Jose State.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
And do you know how long he was at Navy?
I mean, I couldn't guess.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
He added me to get sixteen years.
Speaker 5 (41:42):
I said twenty and it was twenty five.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Ye that long, yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
Which was an amazing thing becase.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Not as a head coach though, right, because why I
played against Paul Johnson when he was there.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (41:56):
He said I was at Navy for twenty five years,
which is crazy. So I don't know how long he
was the head coach, but he was long enough. And
he's not going to run an option right at Navy,
He's going to run some At San Jose State, he's
going to run some kind of spread and shred or.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
Something that they do there.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
You go, like, all these guys can adapt if they
if they have to.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
Well it's a different coordinator that he hired, you know.
Speaker 11 (42:19):
But those guys I thought was really interesting to talk to,
especially Calhoun, because they have no NIL, they have no
graduate school for graduate transfers.
Speaker 5 (42:28):
They take no transfers, and they don't red shirt.
Speaker 11 (42:32):
I mean, and they win nine ten games a year
against teams that have all of those things and resources.
So those things are really interesting. And the other thing
that kind of really was glaring to me just to
have a real college football conversation is a lot of
these coaches that I've come across these days, you start
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to really dig into their background, and the less and
less flashy the background, the more and more it seems
that these guys are having respect, and the more and
more these guys seem to be creating a foundation.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
And it's not new.
Speaker 11 (43:08):
I mean, You've got guys all over the NCAA who
are really respected that are like that, like Lepold at
Kansas Climbing at Kansas State, Campbell at Iowa State, and
Willy Fritz, who's coming up. I mean, these coaches who
come from little, tiny places Kaylin de boor you know,
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places like Mount Union where you have to worry about
the laundry getting done. And for some reason, in this
day and age of college football where there's actually a
number connected to most significant players' names and you have
a weird pro style pecking order, and we're kind of
losing the identity of the sport. It seems that players
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relate more and more to guys who are grinders and
guys who have that mentorship and that perspective of coaching
at a place like cal Lutheran or something where you
have to worry about is the guy done with his
job at the library, so he's going to make it
to practice, And he has that job at the library
because he loves playing football so much he has to
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do that job to be on this team. Those kind
of stories from these guys past seem to really resonate
in today's.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
Day and age in this weird kind of.
Speaker 11 (44:26):
Pro style model of college football that we're slipping into,
and talking to these coaches and how they deal with
the players was pretty fascinating because you know, there's no
more I mean, there is such a thing as developing
a team, but that's being done like a third of
your time. The other thirty your time is bringing in
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new transfers, and the other thirty of your time is
trying to re recruit the guys you already have. So
it is kind of a It's interesting to have candid,
private conversations with coaches about modern college football because there's
so much to be said and so much to talk about,
I guess is the way to put it.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
We were talking about training camp starting up and getting going, Petros,
do you have any memorable stories of training camp, whether
for you, whether someone else that that was a part
of your team. What's what's your best one? Give us?
Speaker 5 (45:23):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 11 (45:24):
All kinds of things come to mind, but I don't
know if I've told them before on the air.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
There was one you haven't told before?
Speaker 11 (45:31):
Uh geez, did I tell you guys about Ed Ojeron
and Matt Childers?
Speaker 4 (45:37):
No?
Speaker 5 (45:38):
No, do you guys.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Know about Ed? And we know about Ed?
Speaker 4 (45:42):
Yeah, we know.
Speaker 11 (45:45):
No, Okay, Ed Ojiron was hired at you. Everybody's like, oh,
Pete Carroll ed Ojeron, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
No.
Speaker 11 (45:54):
Edojiron came up as a D line coach for Dennis
Ericson in the Miami years. So that's one name in
college football that you should know. Maybe a little bit
of a controversial figure in his later years, but one
of the great D linemen of all time, Warren Sapp
that was kind of Ed's prototype when he was a
(46:17):
D line coach at Miami and Paul Hackett, who I
played for at USC offensive coordinator Guy Dallas Cowboys, Niners
West Coast offense. He hired at Ojeron to be our
D line coach, and so he came two years before
Pete Carroll was at s C. Pete Carroll retained at
Ojeron at SC, so ED when he was a defensive
(46:43):
line coach. You know, was probably the best position coach
of any position coach in the country, and he was
coaching D line right he would and we all know
coaches like this, whether it's offensive line coach, running back coach,
linebacker coach. A guy he was just exceptional as an
individual position coach, and ED was that way. But he
(47:07):
was ruthless and relentless with those guys, and they hated
him because of the hard work that they had to
put in in many occasions, but they also loved and
respected him because of the way he pushed them and
how good he made him. But anyway, just case in
point before I tell the story, remember Bku kenichi U Daisy.
Speaker 4 (47:27):
I don't know that I do.
Speaker 11 (47:29):
He had cancer and he had to stop in the NFL,
but he recovered from cancer. God bless him, and now
he's an assistant coach. I'm not exactly sure where he's
landed now, but he was the number ten pick in
the draft out of sc plan D line.
Speaker 5 (47:44):
When he got to USC, he.
Speaker 11 (47:46):
Was almost I mean, he was like a six to six,
like almost a three and eighty pound kid, way overweight, right.
I watched Ed carve a player out of that guy,
and in an unbeliev mean he took like a year
and a half ront jogging behind him screaming at him.
You know, just I mean anyway, and had a thing
(48:11):
where if you went off side in in camp from
your D line position, you had to sit out for
a play. And we were in a situation in camp
where a bunch of guys and this is camp camp,
not before they change the rules and turned it into
a country club. And we had a situation where we
were really thin on defensive line.
Speaker 5 (48:33):
Everybody was hurt.
Speaker 11 (48:34):
So guys that were playing were taking every rep and
we know what that's like, except for Brady in his
different color jersey and nothing back, Brady, nothing, I mean,
but you didn't play lineback.
Speaker 5 (48:51):
I played linebacker in high school with my deck roll.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
I didn't have a deck roll, but I did play linebacker.
Speaker 11 (48:58):
So I thought you took off your your your pads
at every series change and put the neck roll on
the defense. That's right, I'm lacing on the toilet's seat.
So we were in a situation where, you know, where
a week into camp, everybody's dying, everybody hates each other.
There's fistfights twice at practice, every practice. And this guy,
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Matt Childers, who was this transfer from Kansas State, led
us in sacks, tough white d end and a mean,
mean son of the bitch, and Childers was taking every
rep and was so upset with so angry we wouldn't
even speak at dinner.
Speaker 5 (49:41):
I mean, he was.
Speaker 11 (49:42):
Surly for days and days, and his hands were so
swollen that they looked like boxing gloves, I mean, and
Ed was just, you know, you gotta play.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
Everybody hurt.
Speaker 11 (49:55):
So finally, in some team period, shoulders On purpose just
goes off sides so he can come out for a
play because he's that exhausted, and just goes off sides defiantly,
jogs off the field, takes a knee by the water machine,
and it's just staring at the ground. Right, Ed Ojeron
(50:18):
walks up maybe three yards from him, and kind of
squats down and extends both middle fingers maybe about a
yard from Childers's face, right, And Childers is just you know,
boxing gloves, hands a lot on his face, you know,
(50:42):
holding the helmet, you know, as the prop when he's
on one knee.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
You know, we know that.
Speaker 11 (50:48):
And Ed was standing there with both middle fingers kind
of in a squatting position, almost like in a ready position,
like a linebacker stands with both middle fingers out and goes.
They chilled us elm and I was.
Speaker 5 (51:05):
Like, Wow, that's a great camp Briton memory.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
That's very funny.
Speaker 11 (51:11):
Another good one was we had a we had a
tight end named Antoine Harris. His dad his father passed,
but his father was a comedian member Robin Harris Baba's kids. Yeah, yeah,
from the house party and all that. I come from
a town called Freshmen the Cops Ham.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (51:31):
And uh, Antoine was a great he is a great
guy and I loved playing with him. And one time
we were early in camp where we you know, were
not in pads yet, and they were running everybody to
death and we're and we had young players who had
not been in pads yet. So you know, the trepidation
from your freshman class. You know, those twenty guys are
(51:52):
all freaked out looking at each other. And at dinner antwine,
Harris had a full body cramp and fell on the
ground like a two by four and you know, his
his plate flew and everything, and he was laying there
like convulsing, screaming. And you know somebody ever has like
(52:13):
a full body cramp, you know in a football field,
like you.
Speaker 5 (52:15):
Touch them, yeah, their their body is hard and reach it,
you know. And it was the flight.
Speaker 11 (52:20):
They pulled up the cart and like three trainers threw
them on the back of the cart and then just
drove off down the street and Irvine where we sid Yeah,
and he was screaming like a and it's like a
Doppler effect, you know, as he went by on the cart.
Speaker 4 (52:34):
Like.
Speaker 11 (52:36):
And just to see the look on the young guy's
faces like oh no.
Speaker 5 (52:42):
And I was like, yeah, this is a terrible place.
And we're here for three weeks.
Speaker 11 (52:48):
And we had a deaf guy, a deaf linebacker from
Saint Louis named John Cousins. Right, he was the best,
and he was a wonderful guy, and he was pretty
much deaf, and he brought the Nelly tapes. No one
had Nelly. You know, Nelly was just coming out that
(53:08):
his first big yeah yeah. And that's how John Cousins
would sing it because he was deaf and he had
a big ass boombox and he would walk around with
the boombox with the Nelly right in his ear because
he was deaf, and you know, he would just walk
around shirtless and irvine between practices, like and he got
(53:43):
he couldn't hear and he got hit by a car.
I mean he recovered, he was finely, jumped right back
up and was like, you know, well on.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
That note, we love you.
Speaker 5 (53:58):
Clearly didn't see the car coming.
Speaker 11 (54:01):
He didn't show up for practice one time and it
was like they we all got into the Has anybody
seen John Couzins. Well he was asleep when I left.
He's deaf. You have to wake him up.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Oh my gosh, there he is at the old on Twitter.
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