July 18, 2024 • 40 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Davante Adams addresses trade rumors. Hard Knocks continues to make the Giants look bad. And NFL Reporter Albert Breer weighs in on the future of Brandon Aiyuk and Davante Adams. All that and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
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to it as. So congratulations to who is it Alex Norn,
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(00:56):
why don't you put that in your golf blow hard
pipe and.
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You know, the winner's not amount still Sunday, so.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Let's not get too excited.
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up and it is a place of bet this morning
that probably won't win anyone money, but here's a smart thing.
If you bet against live Bet Jesus, I can almost
assure you eighty percent, maybe ninety percent of the time,
you will win that bet.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
That's why he doesn't get offended when people make jokes
about him losing, because they're focused on that as opposed
to Wow, I could actually make money to your point
and just bet the opposite, but they don't do that
because there are a bunch of cheap skates and morons
who don't pay attention to an opportunity and they want
to blow past it to be rude.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
So that's fine, But.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Again, we've tried to encourage people to be able to
bet against him, but they kind of get lost because
he never shows up. He gets so insecure about how
bad he is a betting so that's more of the issue.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Well, name calling is not going to get anybody anywhere
on this show to that right now, Dag.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
All right, it is uh something we've.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
Got to really be going hard on lad Bit.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I don't know what it is. I really don't like.
Speaker 7 (02:03):
Literally, he's got it bet for live bet Jesus the
most lbj Ain't got.
Speaker 6 (02:08):
Nothing on King Call bradn.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Live Bet Jesus has done next to you and I
the third most appearances with Brady Quinn on the air
in the history of the network.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
That's that's not I don't think that's true. That's one
hundred percent not true. I mean, for sorters, Lee would
have more than Live bet Loser. That's pretty much everyone
else that's been a part of our show.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Uh Petros ab No, no, no, he's got a lead
on Petros.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
You think you come up with?
Speaker 6 (02:37):
Doesn't mean years?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, came every week, handed out winners.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
It was once a week though, Dude, you see how
you just said he gave out winners. Lee, Seriously, give
me the trackerd you could probably count on two hands
how many bets he's won.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Tired of him doing stuff?
Speaker 6 (02:53):
Yeah, over six years.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Problem is I can't remember.
Speaker 8 (02:56):
I can't remember any That's the problem.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Dang.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
There should be a show that's called La bet Jesus
and Lee.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
You know what I mean, Like Marlee and Me type deal,
Like I bet Jesus means.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
See, here's the problem.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
That'd be great.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Lee is basking in celebrity because he got recognized at
the Watering Hole yesterday.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
My listener of the.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Show who also got to meet Todd and like a
legitimate listener to the show.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Lee, you want to retell that story? Yeah, Peter at
the at Chimps.
Speaker 8 (03:28):
Yeah, the trivia master over at the local bar was
talking sports with him, and then all of a sudden
he's like, wait a second, are you lead a lap?
And yeah, he's listened to the Third Hour every day
and his way to the gym, Pete, He's we talked shop.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
It was a good time, Peter.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
You were pumped up that he knew who you were.
Speaker 8 (03:51):
Yeah, it doesn't happen too often.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Lee loves the fandom that comes along with the mullet,
with the stories you know, Moore Top five or whatever.
Speaker 9 (04:00):
Of the You know.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
The best part about all that the guy never thought
to ask what are you doing here?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
He's like, oh, this makes sense.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
We're both here in the middle of the day, bellied
up to the bar or your lead with Todd. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Actually, that makes a great point. There's actually a better
chance of people seeing Lee at a bar than there's
anywhere else in all that.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
Hey, Lee, the lap said that that Todd would actually
try to rival Ingrid's rendition of the National anthem. I
thought it was an interesting, uh, you know, interesting uh
discussion point there.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
You know about about Todd and.
Speaker 8 (04:43):
He should he should definitely uh do that some someday,
maybe at a Triple A game.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Who knows. I would love to hear it.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
That maybe at a at an A game, he could off.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Maybe that could be.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
Could you imagine him standing up in the AA he
sounding off with before we get started on our stories.
Speaker 9 (05:02):
I pledge allegiance. He's got his left hand over his
heart study.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
It's a very serious thing. We're not making fun of AA.
Believe me, we're not. We're not doing that.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Just yeah, listen to me.
Speaker 7 (05:18):
But it would be funny to hear to hear him
seeing the stars bangled banner before they got started with
a meeting.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Listen, A lot of great ballplayers have to go through Double.
Speaker 7 (05:26):
A really needs and from what I hear, it's like,
you know, rehab is a super fun thing anyway.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
According to be nervous about.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
It, according to Ingrid, Yes that is true. All right.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
So we've got the very latest on the DeVante Adams
rumors out there. Uh. You know, there's been a lot
of speculation whether or not DeVante Adams is going to
get traded at some point. Uh, you know, it doesn't
appear like the Raiders are going to be a playoff
team this year. But nonetheless, he was on with Club
Shaysha with Shannon Show, and he did talk about the
(06:02):
potential of reuniting with one Aaron Rodgers, and you know
how he views himself with the Raiders.
Speaker 10 (06:09):
I answered like this, if I'm be reunited with anybody,
it would be Aaron, but or be you know, relocated
and be anyway, it would be with Aaron. But that's
that's not really my you know, it's a lot of
that stuff going on last year in the media and
them asking, you know, what are you gonna do about this?
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Are you are you thinking about going here?
Speaker 10 (06:28):
And they talk about whatever without even being involved in it,
and it ended up getting all the way to the
point where it got in the locker room and people
was thinking that it was you know, I was having
force and I'm like, y'all just don't understand, man, I'm
actively on the Raiders. What do I look like sitting
here talking to other people about being on another team?
Speaker 5 (06:45):
You know?
Speaker 10 (06:46):
And that's how I still feel about it right now,
Like I'm locked in with the Raiders, and I really
feel good about this team, and and you know, as
far as I know, they feel good about me. And
if that ever changed, if that got to a point
where they weren't feeling the same way, you know, I
ain't done. So obviously we will figure out whatever we
needed to figure out. But and the thought of playing
with Aaron, it's obviously amazing, Like I already know what
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that's like, you know, which was similar to why I
came here and and reunited with Derek, was because I
had familiarity with it, you know, and anytime you have that,
it gives you a little bit more confidence than starting
fresh with somebody that you never played with before, and
it helps that when they're the best to ever play
the game.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So that was DeVante Adams on Club.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
People opened up.
Speaker 9 (07:28):
To, huh.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
My favorite part of that was, Yeah, that's part of
the reason why I came here is.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Because of.
Speaker 7 (07:37):
The faciliarity of it about twelve games and he was
gone better than playing with some people you don't know.
M love playing with Aaron Rodgers. I mean, what would
that sound like saying that that all stands up until
you hear that Aaron Rodgers has has a quote a
sound bite that says can't wait, can't wait to play
(07:58):
with Davonte.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
Adams again, like where does where does that? Where? Where
do we go from there?
Speaker 7 (08:05):
Those of that create a conflict of what DeVante Adams
is saying versus what Aaron Rodgers has put out there.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
He's not finishing the Earth Raiders. I'll say that. I
don't know if it gets done soon now because of
all the chatter. Maybe they wait for it to calm down.
Maybe it's a trade deadline deal. But I just I
don't see him finishing the Earth Raiders. I think they're
going to be at a point to where they're like,
all right, he's what thirty two and he's going.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
To need a new deal eventually.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
What are we doing here? We're not in the playoff run.
We're not in the playoff hunt. We're going to be
drafting a quarterback next year anyways, Like, let's.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
It's thirty one, turns thirty two this year.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
I just before we go to the in terrogorate interrogation room,
you're a good cop, I'm bad cop. No no, no, no,
I'm bad cop. You're a good cop. No no, no,
no no.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
This is going to work better if if you're the
good cop and I'm the bad cop. All right.
Speaker 7 (08:55):
You go in there and you tell them everything they're
supposed to hear. Listen, I love playing for this team.
As long as they love me playing for the team,
because I feel like they I love playing for this team,
then we're gonna be good. But if something were to
go wrong with that, I still want to play ball
this that great cop.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Yeah, I can't wait for my man to come play
with me. Bad cop. Like you putting it out.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
There, it's out there, you know what I mean? Like
to say that it's baseless. It's great on Devonte Adams
on his part. And to your point, Q, people open
up the club, Shayshay that you know why they open
up to him, because you're on a platform where you
know everybody's gonna hear it. And whatever it is that
you're putting out there, agenda wise, you let him know
(09:39):
what it's going to be before you go on that show,
and he supports that. That's why, guys, that's why guys
do the show. I wanted to take my level up
to this place. Kat Williams goes on there and starts
airing people out. Everybody wins in those scenarios.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
So let me ask you this.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Though, because there's an element of I guess with podcasting
interviews it's not like a journalistic integrity right where you
have to feel like you need to dig down to
the truth of something, because that's that's typically how like
when we've seen things interviews mostly when when you watch them,
(10:21):
you're mostly thinking, Okay, this person is telling their side
of things, but sometimes there need to be needs to
be some pushback. I don't watch enough of Club Say's
interviews to know whether or not he pushes back on things,
because what you're saying is basically like they tell them
what they want to talk about, and then they just
lay into it and he gets the content off it.
He's able to you know, profit off it, and that's
how it works.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
Sure, that's what I mean, I guess. I guess that's
what it's about. What I'm asking is, though, like.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
What you're saying, he doesn't. He doesn't push back. I've
listened to enough episodes to where it's it's a conversation
where he lets the guest let the people listening know
all about them.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
He'll hag it on to form it's a forum.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
He'll hag it on a little bit like he'll hype
it up and he'll give his he'll give his opinions
on it. But it's definitely more conversationally driven, not more
not based in journalism per se. It's it's not you're
not going to he's not going to say, well, I
spoke to such and such and and having that conversation
(11:27):
with this person they said this, how do you like
you know?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Or whatever it may be.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
It's definitely just it's a conversational form, but it's a
conversational forum that's based off of you know, coming into it.
There's a reason why that guy is on the show.
For one, on Club Shay Shay's part, and then for two,
the person that's coming on. They generally have an agenda
when they come on the show, so it works out
for both sides.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
You know, Yeah, that's what that was.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
You guys have talked about in the past, how you've
been on teams to where it was pretty evident early
on there saying looking good. Do you think at some
point this offseason or that Davante Adams has seen something
from this team to where he's like, is this really
gonna be how I spend the final years of my career?
(12:17):
Like is this gonna be how I'm gonna spend it.
And maybe that's why this conversation in the chatter got
a little bit louder. He doesn't want to be so
vocal about it and kind of let everybody else hand
the message out, and he's saying all the right things.
I'm blocked in on the Raiders. I'm focused on the Raiders.
But maybe so.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
When he ends up going and playing with Aaron Rodgers again,
that he can always reference back to Club Shaysha. Like
I told y'all, I wanted to be here. I told
you I wasn't trying to get up out of here.
I told you guys, exactly what I was feeling. So
there's no reason to have any malice or ill will
towards me based off of what's happening. It has to
be someone else. It can't be me, because I told
(12:55):
y'all during my interview what exactly what it was I
was thinking and what I was feeling. You're creating an
opportunity for plausible deniability. You've already laid your alibi out
and put it out there for everybody to consume on
a major platform where people people listen.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
That's what I think Yeah, it's uh, well, I mean
if only we, you know, had some sort of a
connection to the Raiders, like if we could get somebody
from the Raiders, Like I feel like.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Jonas should be disappointed if Adams doesn't go to the Jets.
Because you've been saying this for like a week and
a half now, this has been your new what story
did you keep beating a dead horse with?
Speaker 5 (13:34):
There's something earlier this spring you just could not stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Oh, I mean Rogers, I mean the Rogers stuff we
went all in on.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Was Hey.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
By the way, I think it's because you like how
you sound when you say Rogers.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
You know, it's like the commercial Roger. Like you like
how it sounds that you listen, Now.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
That guy's a clown. I'm anything, but I'm a paaso
and you know what that means.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Here's what about?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
What about this from Diana Rossini who said that, uh,
that's just about Yeah, it's about Rogers and Robert Salah
your your your guy lebar.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
According to a report from the.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Athletic, after returning from his trip to Egypt, Aaron Rodgers
went to Robert to quote question why he would call
it unexcused Diana Rossini who reported this story, went on
to say that Rogers and Sala iron things out and
everything's great now. So they ironed everything out.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
So so is that translation?
Speaker 7 (14:30):
Aaron Rodgers had to set Zersees straight on what he
needs to say.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Last time I ironed something?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Mhmm, yeah, I never are you.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
You're more of a stammer than an irony.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
I iron. It's just it's tough nowadays. I try to
find closing on wrinkle.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
You know.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Maybe that's like my relationships.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
People still use good point.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I don't think so.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
I grew up using starch. My mom taught me. Yeah,
heavy starch, heavy stars.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
There's some spray that you can get when you travel.
You like sprayed on No, no, you sprayed on your clothes.
It's like fabric softener stuff and you like it gets
out the wrinkles in your clothes and then you just
hang them up afterwards and you're good.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
I doubt you even ironing it now.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
You don't need to iron like ironing is for. And
I'll be and I'm not trying to offend anybody who
ironed who might be ironing right. Careful with radio app.
I just want to be careful with this.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Talking to two people who iron.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Okay, well, I'm just letting you know.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
We're military kids.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
Just be very careful with ironing and heavy starch increases
and stuff.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Be careful and good.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
For you because I don't iron. I pump iron. Okay,
So if you guys grew up standing over an ironing board,
I was in the weight room throwing stuff around.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I want to work out with Jonas because I want
to see Actually, he says all this, like I've got
this idea in my mind of him curling like fifteen's
you know.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Yeah, this is it?
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yes, So what I'm trying to get.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
Ton Hey, you I got this mental vision of him
having on a multicolor head band, matching wristbands, very very short,
like you know, like the dude that just passed away,
like shorts like that, shorts like that, and tube socks
pulled up to his knees with with chuckers.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Most of those are dirty. In his hamper, his.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
Hamper tang with with with lead with lee lee marks.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Yeah, cut vegetables with those.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
That's a backscratcher. Nowadays.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
I didn't even know. You might Watson bending next to it.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You might see little You might see a few of
those guyanas you never know.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Stop calling it Guyane days.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
What's it called? What is it called?
Speaker 6 (16:47):
It's called Front Tier Days.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
But it's in Cheyenne, Wyoming.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
Yes, why you call it guy yan?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Guy?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
That's what I thought. I got confused.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
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Speaker 2 (17:58):
It also sounds like we might have a little bit
of a problem with well, at least for Daniel Jones.
Brian day Ball was well, you can just listen to it.
Here was a back and forth between Giants head coach
Brian Dayball and Joe Shane, the general manager. This was
courtesy of Hard Knocks off season.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
Daniels, have you guys seen enough that you would trade
up for him?
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Daniels? Yeah, I would, yes.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So that's the head coach of Daniel Jones talking about
whether or not they would trade up for Jade and
Daniels in the draft.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
This a whole lot of Daniels flying around, Yeah, a.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Lot of it.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Hou's a quick clip there. We don't want to expand
on that anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Pretty much the gist of it from what we've got.
There's also the back and forth talking about Saquon Barkley playing.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
For the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
John Mara, the owner of the Giants, talking with Joe
Shane about how things could end up with Saquon Barkley
in the midst of the negotiations, and this is how
it went. What's the latest still on the I just
got a text that Chicago's driving the price up.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
And Philly's out.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
I don't know if that's true or not, which I
don't know if I'll make a couple of calls.
Speaker 10 (19:09):
I don't even know if that's gonna gonna happen.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
But I'm have a tough time to sleep.
Speaker 11 (19:12):
And if Siquand goes to philampe the outside of that,
as I've told you, just being out, I hadn't been
around enough players so but he's the most popular player
we have by far.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
Well, that makes absolutely zero sense. Then, can make it
make sense? Q? Make it make I can't.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I mean I again, I think they just valued They're
they're showing you their hand. It's twofold. They made an
investment into Daniel Jones a couple of years back now,
so they're showing you that they believe for one and
Daniel Jones, when healthy, it's capable of being their quarterback.
(19:54):
And if they're wrong, they're gonna be stubborn about it,
and they're gonna they're gonna delay it until next year
in that draft.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Still address it then, and.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
They're investing into that quarterback and passing game. That's the
obvious thing in all of this, which is. It's interestingly
because if you look at the forty nine ers and
who they decided to pay so far the offseason, it's
Christian McCaffrey, and Saiquin has a very similar skill set
as far as his ability to.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Impact the passing game and running game.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
And to the point of what we heard in the audio,
he's everyone's favorite player. I mean to me, he was
the motive that made that offense run. And now you
don't have him anymore, and so now you're really going
to test the theory on how you feel about Daniel Jones.
They go get my Laigue Neighbors, which is an investment
into Daniel Jones.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
And we'll see what happens with the Giants this year,
but it could be a frustrating year. The few things
they have going for them are the defense.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Last year was was pretty good and I think it
will be very good now.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
I'm not sure what.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
It's going to look like without wink Mark and Martindale
calling the defense. But personnel wise, they've vested into it.
They've they've improved on that side of the ball. They've
tried to help out the offensive line. Daniel Jones should
be back healthy. All those things are working for them,
So it just comes down to can they win enough
football games not to feel the heat and the pressure
(21:14):
of the mistake of letting go Saquon in my opinion,
But that's I mean, that's what happens when you you
literally draft a guy and you have the guy in
the house and you don't value him enough to say, yeah,
we're willing to pay him extra two to three million
a year because we feel like he means that much
to our organization, and so you let him go.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
And of course he's gonna have a chance to go
to a place like Philly.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
They value that sort of thing, and they get to
see him now twice a year at least.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
You kind you may mention of another major departure outside
of Saquon and wink Martindale. Now he rolls out like
I do believe he left, right, He wasn't let go.
He left to go to Michigan to be the decoordinator. Correct, well, well,
they let go.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I believe this is how the story works. Giants fans,
you know, don't kill me if I'm wrong. But they
made some defensive staff changes, and I believe he was
upset about that, and that led to him leaving.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
And him and Brian da Ball had issues last year
dust stuffs if you will. But what tipped him over
the end?
Speaker 7 (22:19):
One of your favorite phrases, Yeah, which to me that
that screams, that's screaming if you got a guy that
had the success, because it was a lone bright spot
for for this New York Giants team. If you had
that success in a market like New York, and you had.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
A belief in.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
Say the offense, say the quarterback, say the direction they're
going in, You're going to figure out a way to
to you know, to grill that up, wrap it up neatly,
and eat it and continue to be the defensive coordinator
of a unit and one of the largest media markets
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in the country.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
But yet you.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
Leave, you stab out and by the way, you go
to college. That says to me, that screams, I'm getting
the hell out of dodge. Saquon Barkley not wanting to
do a deal that makes him signable to the New
York Giants, and the Giants are sitting there talking about
(23:26):
Chicago's running the you know, the price up, da da da,
this that and the other, and you're not just trying
to sign him, but Saquan's not trying to be signed.
They're getting out of Dodge. People are getting out of Dodge.
That's two of your main pieces of your team that
got the hell up out of there.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (23:47):
I mean, I'm not one to be big on speculation,
but if I'm looking at it from that perspective, there's
something that ain't There's something that's not passing the sniff
test in the Giant, in the Giants' front office or
in that facility. Something is not right in New York.
(24:07):
And throw in there, by the way, throw in there
the fact that you did pay the one entity that
was probably the most questionable of them all, and Daniel Jones,
and now you have a and the guy that you paid.
Now you have a SoundBite that surfaces that says that
you would have traded up to get Jane Daniels if
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you could.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
This is why they got to stop doing hard knocks,
like it just makes people look bad, Like this makes
Joe Shane look bad, It makes the Giants look dysfunctional.
It makes it like, I don't know what good comes
out of this, Like I don't know what good is
going to come out of the AFC North Cam Hayward
doesn't want to do it, like nobody wants to do this,
and it's another example of no, we've got to have
(24:52):
inside access to see how this stuff goes. If you
just let it be, and Saquon's in Philly and you
want to ain't the narrative however you want to paint it,
that's fine, But now you've got to Levar's point, a
quarterback who knows you would have taken another quarterback in
the draft had you had the opportunity, and you've got
a fan base who knows. Wait, so our GM doesn't
(25:13):
even know how to read this right, and it's getting
mixed signals. And then Saquon left for a little bit
more than the deal that we are. I just I
don't know who this benefited them signing up for this.
Clearly they don't have creative control, because if they did,
none of that should be seen.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
I was just gonna say, isn't that part of the deal.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
I don't know a lot of these teams have editing
control or you know, last right refusal to put something
out there.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I can't imagine they would if that's what they were like, Yeah,
that sounds good, that makes a sound all right, Like,
I don't get it, man, I mean it's it's fascinating
to get an inside look like that, but I don't
know like who It's like, you know, a reality show,
like right, None of that ever ends well for anybody
on a reality show, And yet here we are, so
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Levar's giants.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Man.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
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Speaker 3 (26:12):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Albert Breers in Senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at
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Speaker 3 (26:21):
How you feeling?
Speaker 12 (26:22):
That was some rock solid re entry music there?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Well?
Speaker 12 (26:26):
Like that?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
What was that, Lorena?
Speaker 12 (26:28):
Let's take it to the limit.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Yes, Scarface's intro music to the game.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
That was like Albert brer at high school.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, that's right, that's right, Albert. So best guess how
does this end up with both Davante Adams and Brandon
Ayuk Think?
Speaker 12 (26:46):
I think I still likelyhood as he plays for the
Niners this year and they've got their eye on keeping
him long term. I don't think Davante Adams is going
to be a Raider in twenty twenty five, And I
think there's a chance that he is somewhere else earlier
than that. You know, I just I look at it,
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and you know, like a lot of people look at
the contract and say, well, you know, they have him
for the next few years. They do. But his contracts
a lot like a lot of the contracts that were
signed that off season two years ago, where there were
artificial numbers. Tyreek's contract was this way. There are a
few of them where you know, there are artificial numbers
in the back end to pump up the average. And
(27:29):
so I can't I can't remember exactly what the number
is on the back end of Adam's contract starting next year,
but it's like thirty five or forty million. It's a
number he's not going to play for. And so, you know,
I think ultimately what winds up happening here is, you know,
with the Raiders rebuilding a little bit, you know, my
guess would be they'll eventually come to a point before
(27:50):
the trade deadline where they at least explore the idea
of moving him. And you know whether or not that happens,
we'll see. You know, obviously, you know, he he does have,
you know, a big contractual number that another team would
have to take on. But you know, I think with
the Raiders rebuilding a little bit, new head coach, new
general manager, they're not in a win now spot in
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any way. You know, he's aging. And then you know,
teams obviously like the Jets out there, they could use him.
You know, I think you'll eventually get to, you know,
a tention point where where they'll at least look very
seriously at the ideas trading him, whether that's before the
cutdown or before the trade deadline. I think at some
point they're going to at least look at it. And
(28:34):
I don't think he's gonna be on the Raiders roster
in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Yeah, but we were talking earlier about Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
He signs his rookie deal, but just some of the
things he was trying to accomplish or or do that
maybe we haven't seen before in these rookie contracts. I
was saying, I love the fact that he's pushing the
envelope of opening people's minds to like how they could
potentially do business but kind of take us through some
of the reasons why I guess it didn't work out
when it was said done and trying to get you know,
(29:01):
elimination of the franchise tag and LLC and all.
Speaker 12 (29:03):
That well, because he doesn't have the leverage to pull
it off right now, you know. And I do think like, wait,
that's that's ald On.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
That's the only reason, like you're selling technically you could
be paid as an LLC as a football player in
the NFL.
Speaker 12 (29:22):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no no. I was talking about
the franchise tag thing. But you know, I like, I
there's a I mean, obviously there's a slotting system in place.
I don't I'm not I'm not well read enough on
the LLC thing, Brady. I'll just I'll play guilty on that.
I mean, I I do think like, this is a
kid who thinks differently, and obviously his dad thinks differently,
(29:45):
you know. At the same time, you know, I think
that they know that. You know, in three years, the
quarterback market could be up at sixty sixty five seventy
million dollars per year, you know, and and and getting
going to that and getting going to to get yourself
in a place where you're going to be able to
(30:08):
perform at the level where you're pulling down that number
in twenty twenty seven or twenty twenty eight really should
be the goal all along. So I think the stuff here,
you know, like as far as franchise tags and all
that other stuff is ancillary to getting him in a
position to play really well as a rookie, which sets
(30:29):
the stage for a really strong three years, which puts
him in a position to get a big deal like
that when he first becomes eligible, you know, in the
off season of twenty twenty seven. So I think that's
really what it is. But you know, and over the
course of the negotiation, again, he's a kid who does
think a little bit differently, and I think he's always
been that way. His dad is a very smart businessman,
(30:51):
and so it doesn't surprise me they tried to push
the envelope on certain things.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
Abe.
Speaker 7 (30:56):
We've been playing clips off of Heart Knocks with the
New Your Giants. I played for the Giants. I think
very highly of the Mirror and Tish family. Thought that
they ran a very very fine operation and gave me
the opportunity to feel like I actually had a an
NFL career with competent people running the team, it doesn't
(31:18):
seem like that's well, it just is what it is.
I mean, it's just I'm just speaking off of my
own experience that that little bit of time.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
What's that versus versus versus something else experience versus versus
something else that I experience?
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Right?
Speaker 7 (31:34):
Uh, obviously I had a comparison, But it doesn't seem like.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
That that's the team.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
I remember by listening to these sound bites and seeing
how things are being handled, what's what's your interpretation of
how things are going right now and the things that
we're hearing coming out of the Giants organization right now.
Speaker 12 (31:56):
Yeah, you know, I think this is sort of the
pitfalls of doing you know, hard knocks offseason. I I
it's a very different thing than doing the training camp
hard knocks or doing the end season hard knocks, you know,
where those are really self contained, you know, I mean,
the prominent players on your team and training camp aren't
going anywhere. You're not dealing with other teams quite as
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much or other team's business quite as much during training camp,
so you have an ability to kind of contain and
control the storylines, you know, and the off season is
different than that. In the off season, you know, you're
there are prominent players on your team who may be
on their way out. You know, there are other teams
that you're dealing with, and you're going to be dealing
with their business as well as yours. You're gonna be
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talking about players that aren't going to be on your team.
You're might be talking about players that maybe you're going
to try and go get or fail to get. There
are all these different kind of tentacles to the off season,
and I think part of that and part of what
everybody's seeing is the tough discussions that you have to
have sometimes to get to the right answer. And this
is something that I talk to people there about. You know,
(33:00):
like a couple few weeks ago, when we were talking
about this whole thing and how it's going to be
presented and how it's going to come out. At that point,
they had no idea what it was going to look like.
But the real concern I got from those guys is like,
you know, you have to have hard, honest conversations about players,
about aspects about of your team to get to the
right answers. You can't sit there trying to be polite
(33:20):
about it, you know, and if you're going to put
together a show that's really going to reflect what the
off season is like, it's hard to leave that stuff out,
you know. So you have all of these uncomfortable conversations,
and I it makes me wonder, you know. And I
haven't circled back with a ton of those guys yet
since the last couple of episodes have aired, but you know,
(33:41):
I think a lot of the stuff they were concerned
about is in there, you know, And so I do
wonder how much you know, guys who are in that
show are gritting their seats right now and like, man,
I like, I may we shouldn't have done this, you know.
And I think it's if you're another team, you're looking
at and look like, just to be clear, it's great content.
I think we all love a lot. It's all really
(34:01):
really interesting to see. But you know, if you're another team,
would you would you sign up for this? I don't
think so? Right, what do you guys think?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I Like my thought on it is the NFL is
the one league that doesn't need this access, Like we've
got enough, We've got the Netflix shows, We've got all
that if you wanted the NBA to to grow their product,
or the w NBA or somebody else like the MLB, whatever,
that makes sense to me. We've got enough of the
NFL covered that. I mean, this makes Joe Shane look terrible,
(34:31):
Like it makes the Giants look so bad, like your
owners saying well, if he goes to this team, I'm
going to be sick. And you've got the GM saying well,
I think that's all just a smoke screen oops, like
and then it all comes out afterwards. I just I
don't know why, to your point, anybody would want to
sign up for it, or why the NFL needs hard
knocks anymore.
Speaker 12 (34:52):
Yeah, And you know, like, and here's the other thing
is like it's not like it's the only options to
teams either. You know, there is some benefit like in
kind of like furnishing your brand and giving them fans
to look at like you know, what they're rooting for.
There's there's benefits that there's benefit for the players, like
you know, like the training camp partners I think has
been helpful over the years for certain players and building
(35:13):
their brands and making themselves more marketable. All that exists,
But you don't have to do it through this anymore,
you know what I mean. Like players have their own
social media accounts, they have their own in some cases
own have like production crews that they work with. You know.
The teams all have their own in house operations. So
if the team wants to open the doors to the
(35:35):
fans and show them different things, well they can certainly
do that by working through their in house people, and
then they have complete control over what goes in there
and what doesn't go in there. Yeah, I mean, I
think it's It's interesting because I was having this conversation
with somebody yesterday, somebody in the league yesterday, and we
were talking about it, and it's like, this was such
(35:56):
unique content in like eight and O nine and ten
and eleven, and you look forward to it because there
just wasn't a lot of it out there. And you're right, Jonas,
I mean, it's everywhere now, like there's just it's not
as unique or special as it was. And so I
think that forces like the HBO people, the NFL films
people to push the envelope further and further. And as
you do that, I think you're breaking the trust with
(36:18):
the teams, which is the basis of the NFL films
relationships with the teams to begin with. So I think
there's going to be, you know, some interesting discussion that's
coming out of this, and and and and and maybe
maybe even some big picture discussion about what they all
and what they want all of this to look like
going forward.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Albert, I gotta ask you about just Brandon Aiyuk. He's
publicly declared that he wants to be traded. He's going
in the final year, his fifth year with the team
on US rookie deal. Yeah, who are some potential suitors?
And do you think this thing gets done before the
season starts.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (36:50):
I mean everybody brings up Washington because there's obvious connections there.
The GM Adam Peters, you know, was part of drafting
Brandon Ayuk and was with them in San Francisco the
last four years. Obviously, Jayden Daniels has the relationship without
Uk as well. You know, Pittsburgh hasn't needed the position.
He has a stylistic fit. Pittsburgh's never gone outside the
organization really to fill the receiver position. In fact, the
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last time Pittsburgh's like leading receiver was not a homegrown player,
believe it or not, was in World Wars was during
World War Two, so they've never gone outside for a
star receiver. It'd be interesting if they looked at that.
You know, I think teams like New England, that that
that that have quarterbacks on rookie contracts could look at
it too and say, like, this is the opportunity to
(37:35):
do what the Bills did with Stefan Diggs when Josh
Allen was young, to do what you know, what the
what the what the Chiefs did with Patrick Mahomes when
they loaded up around him when he was on his
rookie deal, bringing in guys like Sammy Watkins to supplement.
You're Tyreek Kills and you're Travis Kelcey. So you know,
I and I say all that when I like with
(37:57):
the with again in the caveat that I I still
think the likelihood is that a can the Niners find
a middle ground and find a way to get a
deal done. It got way more complicated because when Justin
Jefferson's deal got done because that escalated the market in
a big way. But you know, the Niners have shown
(38:18):
a real desire to keep him. I think they would
keep him long term over Deebo Samuel, no question right
now if they had their choice. They were in this
sort of situation with Debo two years ago and it
was actually probably uglier than this one is, and that
got done last year, Like with Nick Bosa went all
the way up to I mean, damn near the opener,
and that got done. So they've been here before, you know,
(38:41):
And I think that they really there's a very real
desire to keep ranting Ayuk. And I don't think you
get a value for him if you trade. I don't
think you have a full value for him if you
trade him right now. So I think he's going to
be a Niner in twenty twenty four, and I think
if they have their way, he'll be a Niner for
a lot longer than just that.
Speaker 7 (38:59):
Just one more for me, Uh.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
The CD LAMB.
Speaker 7 (39:03):
Since we're talking about all these receivers and stuff like that,
it seems like it's gotten kind of quiet in terms
of hitting into Ox and Art for Dallas. What are
are they any any indicators that they'll get CD LAMB
done or is this looking like an imminent holdout situation?
Speaker 12 (39:21):
I mean, I think he's the most pressing of the
of the three that we've talked about. For the last
couple of months, le Bar, You know, between Dak and
and Micah and CD, I think he's CD is probably
the most likely to hold out and carry hold out
into training camp. And I think the CD is the
most complicated now too. You know, quarterback consciences are always complicated,
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but I mean a big part of that is just
willing having a willingness to to go to the top
of the market with Dak. The same reason that the
IU situation is complicated, the CD situations complicated too by
the Justin Jefferson contract. So if the Cowboys could can
get anything done with CD when the market was at
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twenty eight with Jalen Waddel and I'm on ros Saint
Brown and Nico Collins and Devonte Smith were getting done,
Like can you can imagine what having a thirty five
million dollar contract as much as Justin Jefferson is better
than all those guys. The thirty five million dollar number
does affect things. So do I think things are going
to get done in the next week. No, do I
think that things are going to get you know, could
(40:26):
be ugly to be in campys, you know, but ultimately
I think he's probably the first three to get a
contract from doubt the most.
Speaker 6 (40:33):
Pressing up.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Get him on x AT Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter
at the MMQB, lead Content strategists as well to AB.
We appreciate it and we recorded the training camp tour.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
Awesome.
Speaker 12 (40:46):
Thanks guys, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
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Everybody wants to call it the Open Championship, I'm calling
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(00:56):
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pipe and.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
See it's the first around, Pal, I'd give some time.
You know, the winner's not amount still Sunday, so.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Let's not get too excited.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
It would be nice to see live bet loser show
up and it is a place of bet this morning
that probably won't win anyone money, but here's a smart thing.
If you bet against live Bet Jesus, I can almost
assure you eighty percent, maybe ninety percent of the time,
you will win that bet.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
That's why he doesn't get offended when people make jokes
about him losing, because they're focused on that as opposed
to Wow, I could actually make money to your point
and just bet the opposite, but they don't do that
because there are a bunch of cheap skates and morons
who don't pay attention to an opportunity and they want
to blow past it to be rude.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
So that's fine, But.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Again, we've tried to encourage people to be able to
bet against him, but they kind of get lost because
he never shows up. He gets so insecure about how
bad he is a betting so that's more of the issue.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Well, name calling is not going to get anybody anywhere
on this show to that right now, Dag.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
All right, it is uh something we've.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
Got to really be going hard on lad Bit.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I don't know what it is. I really don't like.
Speaker 7 (02:03):
Literally, he's got it bet for live bet Jesus the
most lbj Ain't got.
Speaker 6 (02:08):
Nothing on King Call bradn.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Live Bet Jesus has done next to you and I
the third most appearances with Brady Quinn on the air
in the history of the network.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
That's that's not I don't think that's true. That's one
hundred percent not true. I mean, for sorters, Lee would
have more than Live bet Loser. That's pretty much everyone
else that's been a part of our show.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Uh Petros ab No, no, no, he's got a lead
on Petros.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
You think you come up with?
Speaker 6 (02:37):
Doesn't mean years?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, came every week, handed out winners.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
It was once a week though, Dude, you see how
you just said he gave out winners. Lee, Seriously, give
me the trackerd you could probably count on two hands
how many bets he's won.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Tired of him doing stuff?
Speaker 6 (02:53):
Yeah, over six years.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Problem is I can't remember.
Speaker 8 (02:56):
I can't remember any That's the problem.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Dang.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
There should be a show that's called La bet Jesus
and Lee.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
You know what I mean, Like Marlee and Me type deal,
Like I bet Jesus means.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
See, here's the problem.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
That'd be great.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Lee is basking in celebrity because he got recognized at
the Watering Hole yesterday.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
My listener of the.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Show who also got to meet Todd and like a
legitimate listener to the show.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Lee, you want to retell that story? Yeah, Peter at
the at Chimps.
Speaker 8 (03:28):
Yeah, the trivia master over at the local bar was
talking sports with him, and then all of a sudden
he's like, wait a second, are you lead a lap?
And yeah, he's listened to the Third Hour every day
and his way to the gym, Pete, He's we talked shop.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
It was a good time, Peter.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
You were pumped up that he knew who you were.
Speaker 8 (03:51):
Yeah, it doesn't happen too often.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Lee loves the fandom that comes along with the mullet,
with the stories you know, Moore Top five or whatever.
Speaker 9 (04:00):
Of the You know.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
The best part about all that the guy never thought
to ask what are you doing here?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
He's like, oh, this makes sense.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
We're both here in the middle of the day, bellied
up to the bar or your lead with Todd. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Actually, that makes a great point. There's actually a better
chance of people seeing Lee at a bar than there's
anywhere else in all that.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
Hey, Lee, the lap said that that Todd would actually
try to rival Ingrid's rendition of the National anthem. I
thought it was an interesting, uh, you know, interesting uh
discussion point there.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
You know about about Todd and.
Speaker 8 (04:43):
He should he should definitely uh do that some someday,
maybe at a Triple A game.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Who knows. I would love to hear it.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
That maybe at a at an A game, he could off.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Maybe that could be.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
Could you imagine him standing up in the AA he
sounding off with before we get started on our stories.
Speaker 9 (05:02):
I pledge allegiance. He's got his left hand over his
heart study.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
It's a very serious thing. We're not making fun of AA.
Believe me, we're not. We're not doing that.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Just yeah, listen to me.
Speaker 7 (05:18):
But it would be funny to hear to hear him
seeing the stars bangled banner before they got started with
a meeting.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Listen, A lot of great ballplayers have to go through Double.
Speaker 7 (05:26):
A really needs and from what I hear, it's like,
you know, rehab is a super fun thing anyway.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
According to be nervous about.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
It, according to Ingrid, Yes that is true. All right.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
So we've got the very latest on the DeVante Adams
rumors out there. Uh. You know, there's been a lot
of speculation whether or not DeVante Adams is going to
get traded at some point. Uh, you know, it doesn't
appear like the Raiders are going to be a playoff
team this year. But nonetheless, he was on with Club
Shaysha with Shannon Show, and he did talk about the
(06:02):
potential of reuniting with one Aaron Rodgers, and you know
how he views himself with the Raiders.
Speaker 10 (06:09):
I answered like this, if I'm be reunited with anybody,
it would be Aaron, but or be you know, relocated
and be anyway, it would be with Aaron. But that's
that's not really my you know, it's a lot of
that stuff going on last year in the media and
them asking, you know, what are you gonna do about this?
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Are you are you thinking about going here?
Speaker 10 (06:28):
And they talk about whatever without even being involved in it,
and it ended up getting all the way to the
point where it got in the locker room and people
was thinking that it was you know, I was having
force and I'm like, y'all just don't understand, man, I'm
actively on the Raiders. What do I look like sitting
here talking to other people about being on another team?
Speaker 5 (06:45):
You know?
Speaker 10 (06:46):
And that's how I still feel about it right now,
Like I'm locked in with the Raiders, and I really
feel good about this team, and and you know, as
far as I know, they feel good about me. And
if that ever changed, if that got to a point
where they weren't feeling the same way, you know, I
ain't done. So obviously we will figure out whatever we
needed to figure out. But and the thought of playing
with Aaron, it's obviously amazing, Like I already know what
(07:08):
that's like, you know, which was similar to why I
came here and and reunited with Derek, was because I
had familiarity with it, you know, and anytime you have that,
it gives you a little bit more confidence than starting
fresh with somebody that you never played with before, and
it helps that when they're the best to ever play
the game.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So that was DeVante Adams on Club.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
People opened up.
Speaker 9 (07:28):
To, huh.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
My favorite part of that was, Yeah, that's part of
the reason why I came here is.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Because of.
Speaker 7 (07:37):
The faciliarity of it about twelve games and he was
gone better than playing with some people you don't know.
M love playing with Aaron Rodgers. I mean, what would
that sound like saying that that all stands up until
you hear that Aaron Rodgers has has a quote a
sound bite that says can't wait, can't wait to play
(07:58):
with Davonte.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
Adams again, like where does where does that? Where? Where
do we go from there?
Speaker 7 (08:05):
Those of that create a conflict of what DeVante Adams
is saying versus what Aaron Rodgers has put out there.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
He's not finishing the Earth Raiders. I'll say that. I
don't know if it gets done soon now because of
all the chatter. Maybe they wait for it to calm down.
Maybe it's a trade deadline deal. But I just I
don't see him finishing the Earth Raiders. I think they're
going to be at a point to where they're like,
all right, he's what thirty two and he's going.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
To need a new deal eventually.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
What are we doing here? We're not in the playoff run.
We're not in the playoff hunt. We're going to be
drafting a quarterback next year anyways, Like, let's.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
It's thirty one, turns thirty two this year.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
I just before we go to the in terrogorate interrogation room,
you're a good cop, I'm bad cop. No no, no, no,
I'm bad cop. You're a good cop. No no, no,
no no.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
This is going to work better if if you're the
good cop and I'm the bad cop. All right.
Speaker 7 (08:55):
You go in there and you tell them everything they're
supposed to hear. Listen, I love playing for this team.
As long as they love me playing for the team,
because I feel like they I love playing for this team,
then we're gonna be good. But if something were to
go wrong with that, I still want to play ball
this that great cop.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Yeah, I can't wait for my man to come play
with me. Bad cop. Like you putting it out.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
There, it's out there, you know what I mean? Like
to say that it's baseless. It's great on Devonte Adams
on his part. And to your point, Q, people open
up the club, Shayshay that you know why they open
up to him, because you're on a platform where you
know everybody's gonna hear it. And whatever it is that
you're putting out there, agenda wise, you let him know
(09:39):
what it's going to be before you go on that show,
and he supports that. That's why, guys, that's why guys
do the show. I wanted to take my level up
to this place. Kat Williams goes on there and starts
airing people out. Everybody wins in those scenarios.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
So let me ask you this.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Though, because there's an element of I guess with podcasting
interviews it's not like a journalistic integrity right where you
have to feel like you need to dig down to
the truth of something, because that's that's typically how like
when we've seen things interviews mostly when when you watch them,
(10:21):
you're mostly thinking, Okay, this person is telling their side
of things, but sometimes there need to be needs to
be some pushback. I don't watch enough of Club Say's
interviews to know whether or not he pushes back on things,
because what you're saying is basically like they tell them
what they want to talk about, and then they just
lay into it and he gets the content off it.
He's able to you know, profit off it, and that's
how it works.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
Sure, that's what I mean, I guess. I guess that's
what it's about. What I'm asking is, though, like.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
What you're saying, he doesn't. He doesn't push back. I've
listened to enough episodes to where it's it's a conversation
where he lets the guest let the people listening know
all about them.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
He'll hag it on to form it's a forum.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
He'll hag it on a little bit like he'll hype
it up and he'll give his he'll give his opinions
on it. But it's definitely more conversationally driven, not more
not based in journalism per se. It's it's not you're
not going to he's not going to say, well, I
spoke to such and such and and having that conversation
(11:27):
with this person they said this, how do you like
you know?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Or whatever it may be.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
It's definitely just it's a conversational form, but it's a
conversational forum that's based off of you know, coming into it.
There's a reason why that guy is on the show.
For one, on Club Shay Shay's part, and then for two,
the person that's coming on. They generally have an agenda
when they come on the show, so it works out
for both sides.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
You know, Yeah, that's what that was.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
You guys have talked about in the past, how you've
been on teams to where it was pretty evident early
on there saying looking good. Do you think at some
point this offseason or that Davante Adams has seen something
from this team to where he's like, is this really
gonna be how I spend the final years of my career?
(12:17):
Like is this gonna be how I'm gonna spend it.
And maybe that's why this conversation in the chatter got
a little bit louder. He doesn't want to be so
vocal about it and kind of let everybody else hand
the message out, and he's saying all the right things.
I'm blocked in on the Raiders. I'm focused on the Raiders.
But maybe so.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
When he ends up going and playing with Aaron Rodgers again,
that he can always reference back to Club Shaysha. Like
I told y'all, I wanted to be here. I told
you I wasn't trying to get up out of here.
I told you guys, exactly what I was feeling. So
there's no reason to have any malice or ill will
towards me based off of what's happening. It has to
be someone else. It can't be me, because I told
(12:55):
y'all during my interview what exactly what it was I
was thinking and what I was feeling. You're creating an
opportunity for plausible deniability. You've already laid your alibi out
and put it out there for everybody to consume on
a major platform where people people listen.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
That's what I think Yeah, it's uh, well, I mean
if only we, you know, had some sort of a
connection to the Raiders, like if we could get somebody
from the Raiders, Like I feel like.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Jonas should be disappointed if Adams doesn't go to the Jets.
Because you've been saying this for like a week and
a half now, this has been your new what story
did you keep beating a dead horse with?
Speaker 5 (13:34):
There's something earlier this spring you just could not stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Oh, I mean Rogers, I mean the Rogers stuff we
went all in on.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Was Hey.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
By the way, I think it's because you like how
you sound when you say Rogers.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
You know, it's like the commercial Roger. Like you like
how it sounds that you listen, Now.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
That guy's a clown. I'm anything, but I'm a paaso
and you know what that means.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Here's what about?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
What about this from Diana Rossini who said that, uh,
that's just about Yeah, it's about Rogers and Robert Salah
your your your guy lebar.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
According to a report from the.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Athletic, after returning from his trip to Egypt, Aaron Rodgers
went to Robert to quote question why he would call
it unexcused Diana Rossini who reported this story, went on
to say that Rogers and Sala iron things out and
everything's great now. So they ironed everything out.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
So so is that translation?
Speaker 7 (14:30):
Aaron Rodgers had to set Zersees straight on what he
needs to say.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Last time I ironed something?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Mhmm, yeah, I never are you.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
You're more of a stammer than an irony.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
I iron. It's just it's tough nowadays. I try to
find closing on wrinkle.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
You know.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Maybe that's like my relationships.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
People still use good point.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I don't think so.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
I grew up using starch. My mom taught me. Yeah,
heavy starch, heavy stars.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
There's some spray that you can get when you travel.
You like sprayed on No, no, you sprayed on your clothes.
It's like fabric softener stuff and you like it gets
out the wrinkles in your clothes and then you just
hang them up afterwards and you're good.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
I doubt you even ironing it now.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
You don't need to iron like ironing is for. And
I'll be and I'm not trying to offend anybody who
ironed who might be ironing right. Careful with radio app.
I just want to be careful with this.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Talking to two people who iron.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Okay, well, I'm just letting you know.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
We're military kids.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
Just be very careful with ironing and heavy starch increases
and stuff.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Be careful and good.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
For you because I don't iron. I pump iron. Okay,
So if you guys grew up standing over an ironing board,
I was in the weight room throwing stuff around.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I want to work out with Jonas because I want
to see Actually, he says all this, like I've got
this idea in my mind of him curling like fifteen's
you know.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Yeah, this is it?
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yes, So what I'm trying to get.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
Ton Hey, you I got this mental vision of him
having on a multicolor head band, matching wristbands, very very short,
like you know, like the dude that just passed away,
like shorts like that, shorts like that, and tube socks
pulled up to his knees with with chuckers.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Most of those are dirty. In his hamper, his.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
Hamper tang with with with lead with lee lee marks.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Yeah, cut vegetables with those.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
That's a backscratcher. Nowadays.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
I didn't even know. You might Watson bending next to it.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You might see little You might see a few of
those guyanas you never know.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Stop calling it Guyane days.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
What's it called? What is it called?
Speaker 6 (16:47):
It's called Front Tier Days.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
But it's in Cheyenne, Wyoming.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
Yes, why you call it guy yan?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Guy?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
That's what I thought. I got confused.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
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Speaker 2 (17:58):
It also sounds like we might have a little bit
of a problem with well, at least for Daniel Jones.
Brian day Ball was well, you can just listen to it.
Here was a back and forth between Giants head coach
Brian Dayball and Joe Shane, the general manager. This was
courtesy of Hard Knocks off season.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
Daniels, have you guys seen enough that you would trade
up for him?
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Daniels? Yeah, I would, yes.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So that's the head coach of Daniel Jones talking about
whether or not they would trade up for Jade and
Daniels in the draft.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
This a whole lot of Daniels flying around, Yeah, a.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Lot of it.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Hou's a quick clip there. We don't want to expand
on that anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Pretty much the gist of it from what we've got.
There's also the back and forth talking about Saquon Barkley playing.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
For the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
John Mara, the owner of the Giants, talking with Joe
Shane about how things could end up with Saquon Barkley
in the midst of the negotiations, and this is how
it went. What's the latest still on the I just
got a text that Chicago's driving the price up.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
And Philly's out.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
I don't know if that's true or not, which I
don't know if I'll make a couple of calls.
Speaker 10 (19:09):
I don't even know if that's gonna gonna happen.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
But I'm have a tough time to sleep.
Speaker 11 (19:12):
And if Siquand goes to philampe the outside of that,
as I've told you, just being out, I hadn't been
around enough players so but he's the most popular player
we have by far.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
Well, that makes absolutely zero sense. Then, can make it
make sense? Q? Make it make I can't.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I mean I again, I think they just valued They're
they're showing you their hand. It's twofold. They made an
investment into Daniel Jones a couple of years back now,
so they're showing you that they believe for one and
Daniel Jones, when healthy, it's capable of being their quarterback.
(19:54):
And if they're wrong, they're gonna be stubborn about it,
and they're gonna they're gonna delay it until next year
in that draft.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Still address it then, and.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
They're investing into that quarterback and passing game. That's the
obvious thing in all of this, which is. It's interestingly
because if you look at the forty nine ers and
who they decided to pay so far the offseason, it's
Christian McCaffrey, and Saiquin has a very similar skill set
as far as his ability to.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Impact the passing game and running game.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
And to the point of what we heard in the audio,
he's everyone's favorite player. I mean to me, he was
the motive that made that offense run. And now you
don't have him anymore, and so now you're really going
to test the theory on how you feel about Daniel Jones.
They go get my Laigue Neighbors, which is an investment
into Daniel Jones.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
And we'll see what happens with the Giants this year,
but it could be a frustrating year. The few things
they have going for them are the defense.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Last year was was pretty good and I think it
will be very good now.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
I'm not sure what.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
It's going to look like without wink Mark and Martindale
calling the defense. But personnel wise, they've vested into it.
They've they've improved on that side of the ball. They've
tried to help out the offensive line. Daniel Jones should
be back healthy. All those things are working for them,
So it just comes down to can they win enough
football games not to feel the heat and the pressure
(21:14):
of the mistake of letting go Saquon in my opinion,
But that's I mean, that's what happens when you you
literally draft a guy and you have the guy in
the house and you don't value him enough to say, yeah,
we're willing to pay him extra two to three million
a year because we feel like he means that much
to our organization, and so you let him go.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
And of course he's gonna have a chance to go
to a place like Philly.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
They value that sort of thing, and they get to
see him now twice a year at least.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
You kind you may mention of another major departure outside
of Saquon and wink Martindale. Now he rolls out like
I do believe he left, right, He wasn't let go.
He left to go to Michigan to be the decoordinator. Correct, well, well,
they let go.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I believe this is how the story works. Giants fans,
you know, don't kill me if I'm wrong. But they
made some defensive staff changes, and I believe he was
upset about that, and that led to him leaving.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
And him and Brian da Ball had issues last year
dust stuffs if you will. But what tipped him over
the end?
Speaker 7 (22:19):
One of your favorite phrases, Yeah, which to me that
that screams, that's screaming if you got a guy that
had the success, because it was a lone bright spot
for for this New York Giants team. If you had
that success in a market like New York, and you had.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
A belief in.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
Say the offense, say the quarterback, say the direction they're
going in, You're going to figure out a way to
to you know, to grill that up, wrap it up neatly,
and eat it and continue to be the defensive coordinator
of a unit and one of the largest media markets
(23:02):
in the country.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
But yet you.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
Leave, you stab out and by the way, you go
to college. That says to me, that screams, I'm getting
the hell out of dodge. Saquon Barkley not wanting to
do a deal that makes him signable to the New
York Giants, and the Giants are sitting there talking about
(23:26):
Chicago's running the you know, the price up, da da da,
this that and the other, and you're not just trying
to sign him, but Saquan's not trying to be signed.
They're getting out of Dodge. People are getting out of Dodge.
That's two of your main pieces of your team that
got the hell up out of there.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (23:47):
I mean, I'm not one to be big on speculation,
but if I'm looking at it from that perspective, there's
something that ain't There's something that's not passing the sniff
test in the Giant, in the Giants' front office or
in that facility. Something is not right in New York.
(24:07):
And throw in there, by the way, throw in there
the fact that you did pay the one entity that
was probably the most questionable of them all, and Daniel Jones,
and now you have a and the guy that you paid.
Now you have a SoundBite that surfaces that says that
you would have traded up to get Jane Daniels if
(24:29):
you could.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
This is why they got to stop doing hard knocks,
like it just makes people look bad, Like this makes
Joe Shane look bad, It makes the Giants look dysfunctional.
It makes it like, I don't know what good comes
out of this, Like I don't know what good is
going to come out of the AFC North Cam Hayward
doesn't want to do it, like nobody wants to do this,
and it's another example of no, we've got to have
(24:52):
inside access to see how this stuff goes. If you
just let it be, and Saquon's in Philly and you
want to ain't the narrative however you want to paint it,
that's fine, But now you've got to Levar's point, a
quarterback who knows you would have taken another quarterback in
the draft had you had the opportunity, and you've got
a fan base who knows. Wait, so our GM doesn't
(25:13):
even know how to read this right, and it's getting
mixed signals. And then Saquon left for a little bit
more than the deal that we are. I just I
don't know who this benefited them signing up for this.
Clearly they don't have creative control, because if they did,
none of that should be seen.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
I was just gonna say, isn't that part of the deal.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
I don't know a lot of these teams have editing
control or you know, last right refusal to put something
out there.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I can't imagine they would if that's what they were like, Yeah,
that sounds good, that makes a sound all right, Like,
I don't get it, man, I mean it's it's fascinating
to get an inside look like that, but I don't
know like who It's like, you know, a reality show,
like right, None of that ever ends well for anybody
on a reality show, And yet here we are, so
(26:00):
Levar's giants.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Man.
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Speaker 3 (26:12):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Albert Breers in Senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at
the MMQB, and you can get him on Twitter or
ex at Albert breer ab, Good morning.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
How you feeling?
Speaker 12 (26:22):
That was some rock solid re entry music there?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Well?
Speaker 12 (26:26):
Like that?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
What was that, Lorena?
Speaker 12 (26:28):
Let's take it to the limit.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Yes, Scarface's intro music to the game.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
That was like Albert brer at high school.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, that's right, that's right, Albert. So best guess how
does this end up with both Davante Adams and Brandon
Ayuk Think?
Speaker 12 (26:46):
I think I still likelyhood as he plays for the
Niners this year and they've got their eye on keeping
him long term. I don't think Davante Adams is going
to be a Raider in twenty twenty five, And I
think there's a chance that he is somewhere else earlier
than that. You know, I just I look at it,
(27:07):
and you know, like a lot of people look at
the contract and say, well, you know, they have him
for the next few years. They do. But his contracts
a lot like a lot of the contracts that were
signed that off season two years ago, where there were
artificial numbers. Tyreek's contract was this way. There are a
few of them where you know, there are artificial numbers
in the back end to pump up the average. And
(27:29):
so I can't I can't remember exactly what the number
is on the back end of Adam's contract starting next year,
but it's like thirty five or forty million. It's a
number he's not going to play for. And so, you know,
I think ultimately what winds up happening here is, you know,
with the Raiders rebuilding a little bit, you know, my
guess would be they'll eventually come to a point before
(27:50):
the trade deadline where they at least explore the idea
of moving him. And you know whether or not that happens,
we'll see. You know, obviously, you know, he he does have,
you know, a big contractual number that another team would
have to take on. But you know, I think with
the Raiders rebuilding a little bit, new head coach, new
general manager, they're not in a win now spot in
(28:14):
any way. You know, he's aging. And then you know,
teams obviously like the Jets out there, they could use him.
You know, I think you'll eventually get to, you know,
a tention point where where they'll at least look very
seriously at the ideas trading him, whether that's before the
cutdown or before the trade deadline. I think at some
point they're going to at least look at it. And
(28:34):
I don't think he's gonna be on the Raiders roster
in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Yeah, but we were talking earlier about Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
He signs his rookie deal, but just some of the
things he was trying to accomplish or or do that
maybe we haven't seen before in these rookie contracts. I
was saying, I love the fact that he's pushing the
envelope of opening people's minds to like how they could
potentially do business but kind of take us through some
of the reasons why I guess it didn't work out
when it was said done and trying to get you know,
(29:01):
elimination of the franchise tag and LLC and all.
Speaker 12 (29:03):
That well, because he doesn't have the leverage to pull
it off right now, you know. And I do think like, wait,
that's that's ald On.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
That's the only reason, like you're selling technically you could
be paid as an LLC as a football player in
the NFL.
Speaker 12 (29:22):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no no. I was talking about
the franchise tag thing. But you know, I like, I
there's a I mean, obviously there's a slotting system in place.
I don't I'm not I'm not well read enough on
the LLC thing, Brady. I'll just I'll play guilty on that.
I mean, I I do think like, this is a
kid who thinks differently, and obviously his dad thinks differently,
(29:45):
you know. At the same time, you know, I think
that they know that. You know, in three years, the
quarterback market could be up at sixty sixty five seventy
million dollars per year, you know, and and and getting
going to that and getting going to to get yourself
in a place where you're going to be able to
(30:08):
perform at the level where you're pulling down that number
in twenty twenty seven or twenty twenty eight really should
be the goal all along. So I think the stuff here,
you know, like as far as franchise tags and all
that other stuff is ancillary to getting him in a
position to play really well as a rookie, which sets
(30:29):
the stage for a really strong three years, which puts
him in a position to get a big deal like
that when he first becomes eligible, you know, in the
off season of twenty twenty seven. So I think that's
really what it is. But you know, and over the
course of the negotiation, again, he's a kid who does
think a little bit differently, and I think he's always
been that way. His dad is a very smart businessman,
(30:51):
and so it doesn't surprise me they tried to push
the envelope on certain things.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
Abe.
Speaker 7 (30:56):
We've been playing clips off of Heart Knocks with the
New Your Giants. I played for the Giants. I think
very highly of the Mirror and Tish family. Thought that
they ran a very very fine operation and gave me
the opportunity to feel like I actually had a an
NFL career with competent people running the team, it doesn't
(31:18):
seem like that's well, it just is what it is.
I mean, it's just I'm just speaking off of my
own experience that that little bit of time.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
What's that versus versus versus something else experience versus versus
something else that I experience?
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Right?
Speaker 7 (31:34):
Uh, obviously I had a comparison, But it doesn't seem like.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
That that's the team.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
I remember by listening to these sound bites and seeing
how things are being handled, what's what's your interpretation of
how things are going right now and the things that
we're hearing coming out of the Giants organization right now.
Speaker 12 (31:56):
Yeah, you know, I think this is sort of the
pitfalls of doing you know, hard knocks offseason. I I
it's a very different thing than doing the training camp
hard knocks or doing the end season hard knocks, you know,
where those are really self contained, you know, I mean,
the prominent players on your team and training camp aren't
going anywhere. You're not dealing with other teams quite as
(32:18):
much or other team's business quite as much during training camp,
so you have an ability to kind of contain and
control the storylines, you know, and the off season is
different than that. In the off season, you know, you're
there are prominent players on your team who may be
on their way out. You know, there are other teams
that you're dealing with, and you're going to be dealing
with their business as well as yours. You're gonna be
(32:39):
talking about players that aren't going to be on your team.
You're might be talking about players that maybe you're going
to try and go get or fail to get. There
are all these different kind of tentacles to the off season,
and I think part of that and part of what
everybody's seeing is the tough discussions that you have to
have sometimes to get to the right answer. And this
is something that I talk to people there about. You know,
(33:00):
like a couple few weeks ago, when we were talking
about this whole thing and how it's going to be
presented and how it's going to come out. At that point,
they had no idea what it was going to look like.
But the real concern I got from those guys is like,
you know, you have to have hard, honest conversations about players,
about aspects about of your team to get to the
right answers. You can't sit there trying to be polite
(33:20):
about it, you know, and if you're going to put
together a show that's really going to reflect what the
off season is like, it's hard to leave that stuff out,
you know. So you have all of these uncomfortable conversations,
and I it makes me wonder, you know. And I
haven't circled back with a ton of those guys yet
since the last couple of episodes have aired, but you know,
(33:41):
I think a lot of the stuff they were concerned
about is in there, you know, And so I do
wonder how much you know, guys who are in that
show are gritting their seats right now and like, man,
I like, I may we shouldn't have done this, you know.
And I think it's if you're another team, you're looking
at and look like, just to be clear, it's great content.
I think we all love a lot. It's all really
(34:01):
really interesting to see. But you know, if you're another team,
would you would you sign up for this? I don't
think so? Right, what do you guys think?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I Like my thought on it is the NFL is
the one league that doesn't need this access, Like we've
got enough, We've got the Netflix shows, We've got all
that if you wanted the NBA to to grow their product,
or the w NBA or somebody else like the MLB, whatever,
that makes sense to me. We've got enough of the
NFL covered that. I mean, this makes Joe Shane look terrible,
(34:31):
Like it makes the Giants look so bad, like your
owners saying well, if he goes to this team, I'm
going to be sick. And you've got the GM saying well,
I think that's all just a smoke screen oops, like
and then it all comes out afterwards. I just I
don't know why, to your point, anybody would want to
sign up for it, or why the NFL needs hard
knocks anymore.
Speaker 12 (34:52):
Yeah, And you know, like, and here's the other thing
is like it's not like it's the only options to
teams either. You know, there is some benefit like in
kind of like furnishing your brand and giving them fans
to look at like you know, what they're rooting for.
There's there's benefits that there's benefit for the players, like
you know, like the training camp partners I think has
been helpful over the years for certain players and building
(35:13):
their brands and making themselves more marketable. All that exists,
But you don't have to do it through this anymore,
you know what I mean. Like players have their own
social media accounts, they have their own in some cases
own have like production crews that they work with. You know.
The teams all have their own in house operations. So
if the team wants to open the doors to the
(35:35):
fans and show them different things, well they can certainly
do that by working through their in house people, and
then they have complete control over what goes in there
and what doesn't go in there. Yeah, I mean, I
think it's It's interesting because I was having this conversation
with somebody yesterday, somebody in the league yesterday, and we
were talking about it, and it's like, this was such
(35:56):
unique content in like eight and O nine and ten
and eleven, and you look forward to it because there
just wasn't a lot of it out there. And you're right, Jonas,
I mean, it's everywhere now, like there's just it's not
as unique or special as it was. And so I
think that forces like the HBO people, the NFL films
people to push the envelope further and further. And as
you do that, I think you're breaking the trust with
(36:18):
the teams, which is the basis of the NFL films
relationships with the teams to begin with. So I think
there's going to be, you know, some interesting discussion that's
coming out of this, and and and and and maybe
maybe even some big picture discussion about what they all
and what they want all of this to look like
going forward.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Albert, I gotta ask you about just Brandon Aiyuk. He's
publicly declared that he wants to be traded. He's going
in the final year, his fifth year with the team
on US rookie deal. Yeah, who are some potential suitors?
And do you think this thing gets done before the
season starts.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (36:50):
I mean everybody brings up Washington because there's obvious connections there.
The GM Adam Peters, you know, was part of drafting
Brandon Ayuk and was with them in San Francisco the
last four years. Obviously, Jayden Daniels has the relationship without
Uk as well. You know, Pittsburgh hasn't needed the position.
He has a stylistic fit. Pittsburgh's never gone outside the
organization really to fill the receiver position. In fact, the
(37:14):
last time Pittsburgh's like leading receiver was not a homegrown player,
believe it or not, was in World Wars was during
World War Two, so they've never gone outside for a
star receiver. It'd be interesting if they looked at that.
You know, I think teams like New England, that that
that that have quarterbacks on rookie contracts could look at
it too and say, like, this is the opportunity to
(37:35):
do what the Bills did with Stefan Diggs when Josh
Allen was young, to do what you know, what the
what the what the Chiefs did with Patrick Mahomes when
they loaded up around him when he was on his
rookie deal, bringing in guys like Sammy Watkins to supplement.
You're Tyreek Kills and you're Travis Kelcey. So you know,
I and I say all that when I like with
(37:57):
the with again in the caveat that I I still
think the likelihood is that a can the Niners find
a middle ground and find a way to get a
deal done. It got way more complicated because when Justin
Jefferson's deal got done because that escalated the market in
a big way. But you know, the Niners have shown
(38:18):
a real desire to keep him. I think they would
keep him long term over Deebo Samuel, no question right
now if they had their choice. They were in this
sort of situation with Debo two years ago and it
was actually probably uglier than this one is, and that
got done last year, Like with Nick Bosa went all
the way up to I mean, damn near the opener,
and that got done. So they've been here before, you know,
(38:41):
And I think that they really there's a very real
desire to keep ranting Ayuk. And I don't think you
get a value for him if you trade. I don't
think you have a full value for him if you
trade him right now. So I think he's going to
be a Niner in twenty twenty four, and I think
if they have their way, he'll be a Niner for
a lot longer than just that.
Speaker 7 (38:59):
Just one more for me, Uh.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
The CD LAMB.
Speaker 7 (39:03):
Since we're talking about all these receivers and stuff like that,
it seems like it's gotten kind of quiet in terms
of hitting into Ox and Art for Dallas. What are
are they any any indicators that they'll get CD LAMB
done or is this looking like an imminent holdout situation?
Speaker 12 (39:21):
I mean, I think he's the most pressing of the
of the three that we've talked about. For the last
couple of months, le Bar, You know, between Dak and
and Micah and CD, I think he's CD is probably
the most likely to hold out and carry hold out
into training camp. And I think the CD is the
most complicated now too. You know, quarterback consciences are always complicated,
(39:42):
but I mean a big part of that is just
willing having a willingness to to go to the top
of the market with Dak. The same reason that the
IU situation is complicated, the CD situations complicated too by
the Justin Jefferson contract. So if the Cowboys could can
get anything done with CD when the market was at
(40:03):
twenty eight with Jalen Waddel and I'm on ros Saint
Brown and Nico Collins and Devonte Smith were getting done,
Like can you can imagine what having a thirty five
million dollar contract as much as Justin Jefferson is better
than all those guys. The thirty five million dollar number
does affect things. So do I think things are going
to get done in the next week. No, do I
think that things are going to get you know, could
(40:26):
be ugly to be in campys, you know, but ultimately
I think he's probably the first three to get a
contract from doubt the most.
Speaker 6 (40:33):
Pressing up.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Get him on x AT Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter
at the MMQB, lead Content strategists as well to AB.
We appreciate it and we recorded the training camp tour.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
Awesome.
Speaker 12 (40:46):
Thanks guys, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
There he is Albert Breer with us here on Fox
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