July 27, 2023 • 39 mins
Colorado ditches the Pac-12 for the Big 12. Jim Irsay calls out running backs and The Old P, Petros Papadakis stops by for a rare Thursday visit to talk Greece, the disintegrating Pac-12 and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar arings and rating Win and Jonas
Knox on Box Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I got to tell you something, man, I'm really happy
for the Pac twelve having a team like Colorado in
its conference because with all the attention that Dion Sanders
is brought back to the program, the prestige. You saw
the spring game, the buzz, the discussion, other coaches and
other conferences are talking about it. It's about time the
Pac twelve caught themselves a break, you know, with the
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UCLA and USC leaving at least yeah, at least at
least Colorado's in the conference and bringing back some buzz
to the conference. Who should be announcing there? What time
is it their meteorites deals sometime in the near future?
What was that last week of the week before. But nonetheless,
oh never mind, reports are saying Colorado's going to be
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on their way to the Big twelve instead. Okay, I'm
just curious how that happened and how that stort of
panned out for the entire conference as a whole. The
reports out there is that Colorado is going to receive
a little over thirty one million dollars when they enter
the Big Twelve, which is reportedly going to take place
next season, so obviously not this season. And if these
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reports are even together, yes, and if these reports are true,
that Colorado will give the Pac twelve at least one
year and then they'll be on their way back to
the Big Twelve, where they probably never should have left
to begin with. So have fun with that. What's the
buzz there in Indianapolis at Big ten media Days?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Brady Quinn, Yes, so obviously this came out last night. Now,
some of us, especially been at the Pac twelve media days,
kind of got wind of this last week. And the
thought is it just it makes more geographical sense. I
mean there's a thought with some Colorado purists they never
should have left the Big twelve, even back the Big
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Eight in the first place, that at that point in
time they felt like that was what was in the
best interest of Colorado, but some would define it as
a mistake. And so this now gets Colorado back into
a conference they're familiar with. I think they're hoping to
have a greater ground and ability to recruit the state
of Texas.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
And lastly, it's more money.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I mean, that's The reality of it is, we can
talk about the Pack twelve media rights still you just
joked about the truth of the matter is, we don't
know what they're going to sign for, but I'd have
to imagine it's less than the number that Colorado's gonna
get from moving to the Big twelve.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
And it's going to be less money for the Pack.
Now that there's another team leaving, it's less. It's got
to be less financial leverage, more and more for the Pack.
I mean, is there any other way to look at
the Pack twelve other than doomed? Like, I think that's it.
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It's a wrap. It was alrighty. I felt like the
moment they lost uh U, C l A and USC
to the Big Ten, that it was already like the
day of reckoning was already on its way.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
I mean, what what else? What else is left?
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Oh, another team leaves, goes to another conference. I just
I think there's going to be other teams. There's I mean,
you don't think there's ors is maybe entertaining it well
going somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
The truth of the matter is, you've I think everyone
probably looks at their options, Andre and our teams. It's
a it's a byproduct of the economics. Okay that the
TV rights media deals are largely what drives this.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
But what you have to ask yourself if you.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Were a conference or if you were one of those
TV networks, you know, why would you want to pay
more for a brand that you might already have the
rights to, right And if you're one of those schools
in the conference, why would you want to bring in
another brand? It's going to take away from your piece
of the pie unless one of two things, they're going
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to help elevate that conference because they're going to bring
in more viewership, or they're going to take less to
come in. Right, they might take a a half rights
fee as apposed as opposed to one hundred percent, So
round numbers, right, if you're getting sixty million a year,
maybe you'd rather take thirty. And the problem with that
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is is it directly correlates to the fact that they're
obviously not getting that much money somewhere else. And if
they're going to take a half rights fee for you know,
whatever period of time before they become a full member,
they're they're sitting there and telling you we're willing to
take the thirty million dollars on the table that this
conference is offering us as opposed to whatever your media
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rights deal may be.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
So I think there's a lot of thoughts.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
You know, Oregon and Washington, some of these other you
know schools in the PAC twelve. Arizona's the one that
I would keep an eye on, you know, these are
these are institute in schools that are looking for safe harbor.
Like everyone's looking at the future of their program and
how this is going to shake out. And I think
somewhere in the back of their minds they're looking at
the economics of it and the saying, if we can't
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make enough money to be able to fund our athletics
program and do so competitively, we.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Have to look somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And that's essentially what the Big Twelve has offered Colorado,
and that's what they're going to potentially offer another team,
because you can't think it's only going to be one.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
They have an odd number.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Of teams once Colorado enters, so you'd have to bring
in someone else.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
And so i'd keep an eye on another.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Pac twelve school joining them, whoever that may be.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
For the Big Twelve, it just goes what's.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
The highest number, what's the highest number. It could be
from the PAC twelve. Could it be Arizona, Arizona State
and Oregon? Could it like could it be one of
those other teams like a Utah or a Washington, Like
what's the number? Because everybody is pillaging the pack.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Right and and it's it's tough to know what that
number is because we don't necessarily know if there's going
to be potentially any other movement in any of the
other conferences to the Big Ten or the SEC. There's
there's always those rumors and things floating around about a
Florida State or Miami or Clemson out of the ACC
you would want to move to the SEC. But again, if
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you're ESPN or Disney in this case, who holds the
rights to both conferences, why would you want to pay
more for a team you already had the rights to.
So the TV network's not behind it, they're not pushing
it the other schools in the SEC. If you're Mississippi State,
you don't want Clemson someone else coming into the too
the SEC and take it up part of you know,
your piece of the pie and then all of a
sudden knocking you down. I mean, you're already trying trying
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to struggle to compete anyway, So why would you want that?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
And so the idea that this expansion.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Is is going to continue, I don't know that I
see it expanding as big and as fast as a
lot of people think. Now, if the PAC twelve just
completely fell apart, that'd be one thing. But I think
they will be able to negotiate a media rights deal
and and you know, the schools are going to have
to make the decision on what they want to do,
you know, and these other conferences. They might say, yeah,
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we're willing to take an Oregon or Washington if they're
going to take, you know, a fifty percent rights fee.
So it all comes down to the economics of it
and how they can make it work. But the idea
that this like expansion is going to be all so
many teams, you can only make it feasible for X
number of teams, you know, and unless you're you know,
you're willing to get more money for the media rights.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
And I don't necessarily know that that's going to be
the case.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
But maybe it is the Big twelve that wants to
have the biggest conference, and maybe that's their their plan,
and they say, hey, look, if you're in the Big
ten or SEC, AGC or you know, PAC twelve, you
know you come playoffs like we're going to be everyone's
non conference game basically because we have all the other
teams that are in the Power five and then we've
got a competitive conference, you know, playing amongst each other.
You know, that might be the plan that they think
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is best moving forward, but that doesn't mean that the
Big ten and SEC are gonna fall through with that.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Outside of the economics of it all, if you just
looked at the optics, it's just another blow and another
slight against the PAC twelve. And you guys have obviously
played football in every you know, I would assume in
a lot of different conferences. You've played all over the country.
You've seen it or coached or been around it or
covered it or called games or whatever. It's just becoming
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more obvious over the past five six years. And Petros
is coming on next hour and he's been talking about
this as well. Just become more obvious that there's clearly
an order of importance on football and athletics in certain conferences,
and the PAC twelve is clearly dead last amongst the
Power fives. And I don't even know if it's close.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
There's a lot of reasons why though.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I mean, if you look at the PACTROW schools, they
tend to have more Olympic sports, more sports in general,
which makes it harder to put as much as many
resources into football, for example, as a school in the SEC.
So that's one thing to kind of have going against
them that hurts them. The leadership of Larry Scott was
awful as a commissioner, and I you know, know Larry,
(09:12):
I obviously would run into him often working.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
He's a nice man.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
He did not do a good job and foreseeing the
future and figuring out distribution of the PAC twelve and
understanding the landscape of where everything was going.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
So he put them behind the eight ball.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
So you can't talk about what's happening without talking about
the economics, because that's that's where that's why they've gotten
to this point. I will say this, you know, don't
I don't ever get the sense that the culture on
the West coast, you know, takes into account football as
much as it does in the Midwest, in the South,
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in the state of Texas. However, you want to find
them geographically. When I look at and go to those
campuses and see people out tailgating at seven am. I
don't see that. You know, granted when when we're out
in the West Coast, those games aren't as early, but
you don't see that type of crowd. You don't see
that type of you know, desire for it. I mean
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even high school games and LeVar, I know, you go
out there and coach, but you go back to my
high school at Simon, Ohio.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
You get ten thousand every single game. And that's you know,
one of three publics.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
The Trinity League. There's one league that's like that, and
that's the Trinity League. You get that, you get that
type of participation, But I get what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
One and this isn't a knock on the athletes out there,
like I think. That's the hard thing about this is
the PAC twelve has the most parody, in my opinion,
of any of the Power five conferences this year. They've
got unbelievable quarterback play, They've got great coaches, they have
unbelievable teams. I think top to bottom, you'd say, like
the I'm not even sure. Maybe you'd say, you know,
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Washington State might be you know, towards the bottom or
whoever you.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Want to throw in that guy, maybe maybe Arizona.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Go look in Jane Delauria and then and some of
the plays he last year, Jed Fish and what he's
building in Tucson. You know, go look up in Washington
state of cam Ward, who's an absolute studded quarterback for them.
And I just I think it doesn't matter who you're
talking about. In the Pac twelve, they have as I
guess high of a floor as anyone in college football
as far as the teams, and they beat up on
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each other and it's actually been to their own demise
because they have been part of the college football playoff.
But I mean as far as like the stadiums are
filling them out and all that.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
You see it from time to time.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
But it's not quite the same as the feel that
the campuses.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
It's not the same environment for the college level. It's
not the same. I mean the intensity of and and
just the feel of what what the game presents, game
day experience presents. It's definitely different. On the West Coast.
It's it's more laid back.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
If you go to some of those other regions in
the country, there's almost like a I don't want to
say live or die with this game or with this team,
but there's just a feeling of this is important and
this impacts us if our team loses, and that creates
an anxiety and an intensity in those stadiums that you
can't really match. And you come out to a PAC
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twelve game and it's like, eh, well we'll go to
in and out afterwards, like it just there's no it's
just not the same, Like there's no there's no buzz
to it.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
So I mean, I can promise you this from growing
up in Columbus.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Ohio, the way they feel about Michigan after and people
tend to forget this. Michigan's beating the last two years.
They didn't play during the COVID year, so it's been
four years since Ohio state has known success.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Firsus.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Michigan's right, and you better believe every single Michigan a
lum Michigan fan lets them know about it. Like you
cross that state line and you go up north and
you're going on a nice little vacation up in.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
One of those beautiful lakes.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
They've got Michigan and you get an Ohio play, They're
gonna let you know it's just I'm telling you it's
a different way of life when it comes to football
and how it's ingrained into the culture, into the society
of a lot of those towns, communities and cities.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, it's uh. And and by the way, the the
odds for the Big Ten championship right now debt even
Michigan and Ohio State both plus one sixty five according
to our friends at DraftKings to win.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
The I'll say this much, I have some you know what,
and tell me, tell me what Penn State's that's because
go put some money on Penn State six. Is that
the team? There's some value there, man, that's a good
football sea.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Listen, I've got enough people. I've got enough people inside
the Big Ten Conference and people in and around that
cover the sport and cover those teams involved. And they're
telling me that Penn State is staring three losses square
in the eyes. And again, that's on that's on good authority.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Three three losses, listen, clearly saying Michigan, Ohio State, and
who's the other one?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Right, I mean Illinois? I mean, of course, like what
would you?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I mean, We'll be there week three, big new kids
will be there for that one.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I mean, you saw what happen at the goal line
for those two point conversions a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
That was not last year.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Yeah, but it was a.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Couple of years ago. But there's still remnants of that
in the minds of people there.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
There's no roal room.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I think Jonas had had a bet that might have
come back to get him there.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And do you know by the way, I mean look.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
That they do they do.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
They do get Iowa, they host them for the white
out right, that's the White Aghandas year.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
It should be awesome.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
And then they do have to go to they have
to go to East Lansing and that's actually excuse me,
that's a Ford Field.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Yeah, yeah, that's Ford Field. So that could that could
be a you know, who knows.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, it's gonna be difficult, man, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
We've got to get Michigan and Ohio State. That's the
We got to get one of them.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
And that's that's honestly, bitch.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
You need to get both because that's been James's achilles heel,
you know, since he's been there.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And I would also say watch out for Delaware week two.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Yeah, you gotta watch out for Delaware.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
It feels like, you know, you should watch when Delaware
comes into you should watch both Arringtons.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, damn right?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
You sure a little far?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah yeah, the real Stick City sometimes right.
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Speaker 2 (15:23):
You ever had truth before? Because Jim Mersay had some
shots of truth and when he got to that bar
and he was ordering those truth shots, he went on
Twitter and he said the following.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
What he say, what do you say?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
NFL running back situation? We have negotiated a CBA that
took years of effort and hard work and compromise in
good faith by both sides. To say now that a
specific player category wants another negotiation after the fact is inappropriate.
Some agents are selling quote bad faith that from Jim
Irsay on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I mean, as a as a business owner, he's not
wrong with not no, I mean he's not wrong. And
this is this has been my issue really with I
don't want to say it's complaining, but this has been
the issue for me, at least with the running backs
speaking so open about it, because everyone feels for you.
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But the only people who are going to be able
to correct the issue is your own union, which you
should have been more vocal, or you should have talked
about this years ago before you know, renegotiated a CBA
or the players around you. And like I've said before,
you've got to have a quarterback or someone else be
willing to take less. And we've got a more recent
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example of a quarterback taking less, and we can get
to that.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
But that's the only solution.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
The owners are not going to feel bad for you
and want to give you more money. It doesn't work
like that. Like they already feel like they're giving you
an opportunity to make millions of dollars to play a
game as an ad old, and that's and that's their stance.
I mean, if if you look at these guys, you
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know an owner is going to sit there and say, well,
you know, okay, if you don't like the work conditions here,
you're free to go somewhere else and see if you
can make money somewhere else. In all seriousness, the running
back group would be probably better off going and talking
to the PIF and trying to get them to start
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up another football league.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
We're trying to get.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Them to in all seriousness, like at this at this juncture,
it sounds radical, but I'm not even kidding. Like, if
you could take all those names that are running backs
and compensate them more, that's the only thing that's going
to put owners in a difficult spot. You all might say,
think I'm crazy right now, but I'm being serious, Like
they don't have any leverage.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
That would be their only leverage.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
If you want to scare an owner, go find a
wealth fund like that that can throw billions of into
developing another league that's gonna be able to compensate the players,
in particular running backs more so than the NFL can.
And see if you get a mass access of players
over there.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Wow, could you imagine that if those players wouldn't happen,
you know, I.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Mean, oh, I don't know, man, I'd be looking.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
I'd be looking at them running backs like.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah, Lavard be back out there, linebacker.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
I'd be like, yeah, good luck to y'all.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Man, I really feel for y'all.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
But yeah, look, just like you gotta do what you
gotta do.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
LeVar gotta do what LeVar got to do.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Jim Mercy's got money, but does he have Saudi money?
That's that feels like it's on a whole nother level.
They're starting golf leagues, they're starting, you know, they're getting
involved with you know, international superstar soccer players like and
it's I mean, it's crazy if you think about it initially,
But if you look at it deeper and you think,
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all right, well, what is their option? It doesn't feel
like they have a whole And to Ers's point, you're
locked into this for what another seven years? Eight years?
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Do you think, let's just say, for the sake of
saying what you're saying, Q could happen. Do you think
that they could put together the infrastructure and the production
structure of what it would take to even be remotely
close to being competitive with the NFL? Or is it
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just all about the money? Does it not matter and
it's just about the money.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
It is all about the money. I mean, I'll put
it this way. If I mean, I know you don't
follow golf, but if you did and you went to
a live golf event, you'd see a lot of similarities
to another professional golf event. There are differences, but it
doesn't feel like you're at a lower circuit.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Event or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
And this is no disrespect to those that play on
like the corn Ferry Tour, which is a lower circuit
than the PGA Tour or anything like that, but it
doesn't feel like it's lesser of an event.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
And so you think.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
That they could reproduce that for the National Football League
like it wouldn't look I feel like you would probably
have to do it, or the USFL.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
You'd probably have to do it with less teams.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
So maybe you start out with eight, maybe you go
to sixteen, whatever the case is. You could probably start
out with less teams. You'd purge the XFL, the USFL
of any you know, bottom level talent whatever, because you've
got to have, you know that, the ability to fill
out rosters bodies right, and then and then you can
go pluck in some stars and there might be you know,
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the hardest thing is is if you look at golf,
golf's as a global sport, so you can throw golf
in all sorts of different countries and cities and they'll
still be.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Able to do it. Now, will will then have the
same absorption.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
If you go to different countries and different markets, there's
a feeding for it.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
But maybe not to have.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
A full time team, Like there's a few things that
probably make it difficult. But if you have unlimited resources,
which it seems like they've got a ton of money,
and you could garner some of that and instead of
you call it the National Football you call it the
World League, whatever you want to call it, you could
start potentially competing legitimately and eventually get there. It's gonna
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take time like anything else, but look at how fast
the PGA Tour changed their tune. It took what a year? Yeah,
maybe a little more than a year now, and again
that was a little easier infrastructure to replicate and compete.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
But that's all it took.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
And you started stealing with a few top talented play I.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Mean, it's not that hard.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
The other issue they're going to they would face in
this hypothetic word plan out is you.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Know, quarterbacks are already really well paid.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I mean you'd really have to sit there and say, like, yeah,
we're giving everyone like double what Deshaun Watson got right
fully guaranteed.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
But like you say, yikes, but they've got those thoughts.
We got it. Thank hi, they got those sort of
teap pockets.
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What is the is it opah?
Speaker 6 (24:09):
What's the the Greek exclamation? Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
And what's the drink after dinner drink? What's that called?
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Oh, you're talking about the Greek liqueur uzzoo? That was yeah.
Speaker 9 (24:25):
Yeah, it's like it's got like a black licorice kind
of vibe.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
Yeah, all that different stuff very close. Yeah, it's I
mean you.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
Very common in Greek households to use uzzo on the
gums of teething children and to rub it on there
because it's made with some kind of like the same
stuff that they make anesthetic with, so it has a
numbing effect in the mouth and throat. But Greeks also
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drink brandy. There's a Greek brandy called Metoxa that's named
after a Greek prime minister who gave a very famous
one word speech in Greek history around World War Two,
when Italy was trying to occupy Greece, you know, the
same way Germany occupied France.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
He said, auchi What does that mean? Achi? I guess
in English it would be o x i, which is
no means no.
Speaker 9 (25:29):
And the Greek celebrate, I think it's in October. They
celebrate Auchie Day, which is the day of no. Yeah,
the day you told Italy no, you're going to have
to come and occupy us, which they did. But we
didn't just lay down like France. Well, well we didn't
just lay down like the French.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
You know.
Speaker 9 (25:51):
Look, the French had a rough time. World War One
was rough on the French and they really weren't feeling it.
When World War two came down, and you know, I
guess we can understand to a certain degree, but the
I believe, you know where the word Cretan. You ever heard,
like somebody called a Cretan. Yeah, like they're you know.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
Like like you're like a like you're an animal derogatory term, right,
And that comes from the Nazi army, I believe because
Crete was never taken.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
Crete was a is a Greek island. It's the biggest
Greek island, and it was the longest occupied by the
evil Turkish Ottoman Empire and they used to really beat
up on the Greeks there, so they were occupied for
a long time and they weren't having it when the
Germans tried to come in, old ladies and children with
pitchforks and stuff just taken it to the paratroopers to
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where the Germans just called them Cretans and gave up
trying to take the island.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
How about that?
Speaker 9 (26:48):
Wow, I believe that's true. But I'm sure you have
some historic fact checkers out there.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
You know, at one point in time, speaking of history,
Petros Colorado was in the Big twelve.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Yeah, yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
It's happening again. I think I think it's happening.
Speaker 9 (27:03):
The Jenga game has finally come to its to its
abrupt ending. And I mean nobody's surprised. Is anybody surprised?
Speaker 6 (27:13):
Now? I mean I wasn't.
Speaker 9 (27:17):
I figured something was wrong when they sat me with
the Colorado people at the table at that PAC twelve dinner, Brady,
it was.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
Like, who the hell are these guys? Don't there got
one foot out the door?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Can I be honest with you? I had gotten wind
of that thing at that night. And and what surprises me
is the messaging from the PAC twelve where you keep
hearing Clive Cooff say, you know, the longer we wait,
the better do it gets.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
How can that be the case.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
How could the deal get better the longer they wait,
especially if more.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Teams are going to move out of the conference.
Speaker 9 (27:53):
I remember twenty eighteen, I was doing the PAC twelve
championship game.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
With you, Brady. Remember what you did the game with
Joe Davis.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I did never forget the post game trophy ceremony.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
Why did I do something wrong? No, not wrong.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
It's just one of the most amazing things. Afterwards. I
think at one for it you were like, ah no, I.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
Think that was the big twelve twelve.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
Yeah, no, this one was like remember that game was
like six to three or something like that. It was
really kind of a Washington Colorado, Yeah, Washed, No, Washington.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Utah, Washington, utahka.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
Right, And it doesn't really matter who played or what
happened in the game. But Brady called the game, and
I was the sideline guy, and I remember, you know,
whenever you have a PAC twelve championship or any kind
of championship, sometimes there's like a state of the state
sort of address. And Larry Scott, who literally him along
with the university presidents, they really destroyed West Coast football
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as we know it. And the thing that bothers me
the most about the PAC twelve, which is intimate imminently
collapsing now and we all have seen it coming, the
thing that really bothers me about it is it didn't
have to happen. They very could have easily partnered with
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Fox or NBC or anybody that does college football or
wants to do college football, ESPN, people that know how
to put TV on the air, all that stuff. They
could have partnered with any of those people and had
comparable money to the Big Ten Network and the Big
twelve and all the different people going around right now,
they could have done that, and those deals were there
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to be made, and they were not made. They were
made by a guy named Larry Scott. So let's go
back to twenty eighteen, and everybody's like, dude, what are
we going to do? The conference is bleeding out. Purduees
made seventy million more dollars than Oregon State or whatever
to this point on these network TV deals, and Larry
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Scott's was like his message was, well, you guys, just
wait till twenty twenty three and you see what we got.
And it was like that was five years ago and
they were kicking the ball down the road to twenty
twenty three. Well, the longer you wait, My point, Brady
is look what happened. They were waiting and waiting and waiting,
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and suddenly they're hot. LA girlfriends left for a banana
nosed idiot guy in the Midwest. You know, I mean
all that time, you know that, you were like, well
wait till twenty twenty three comes around, everything's going to change.
Then you lost the two things that made the conference
viable USC and UCLA. So they've been poorly managed from
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the get go. I don't know what we would we
expect from Kleiafkough. I'm not impressed at anything he says
or does, but it's almost like he has an absolutely
impossible job at this point, because there's rumors that Oregon's
going now to the Big Twelve of all places, and
then the Big Ten's going to scoop up whoever they want,
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if they want him, and then everybody else is going
to be absorbed by some kind of mountain west looking
West coast thing. I don't I feel bad about it.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Can we go back to the Big twelve though, and
go back through that? Ah?
Speaker 6 (31:13):
That was? That was me and Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
Yeah, Oklahoma took it to uh CCU.
Speaker 9 (31:24):
Yeah, Gary Patterson's team in the Big twelve championship game,
and we had a little excitement with Baker on stage,
so I gave kind of like all right, and on
the way back to Joe Davis.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
And Joe Davis you know, that was kind of like,
you know, I was kind of like, well that was
very exciting. Bro. That's a little bit of a weird contrast.
You know, Oh, the bet sounds like he's doing w
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Speaker 4 (31:52):
Bro. I could do a game.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I could never do a game with you all the
time because I'll be die laughing half the time. Sit
up with you the boot like I did have I
make it seriously, I know it too much.
Speaker 9 (32:02):
I'm very serious about my job in college football. But
it is, uh, it is. It's hard to be serious
in the off season when these things happen and everybody's like,
oh my god, can you believe Colorado wasn't the Big Twelve?
It's like, uh, yeah, totally. I mean, what did the
Colorado ever do in the Pac twelve? Did they compete
at all? Maybe a couple of years, I mean they really,
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I mean they had a.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Come on, now, don't forget Sepo. You had a good year.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Their best year was the COVID year. That says it all.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, but didn't mel Tucker parlay that into ninety million dollars?
Speaker 6 (32:42):
He sure did.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, So there was a pause of the can.
Speaker 9 (32:45):
That is an amazing occurrence, isn't it how Meltucker figured this.
I mean, not everybody navigates their way through the troubled
waters of college football but ends up one hundred million
dollars richer, But coach mel has so congratulations to him.
And uh, look, who knows what's gonna happen with PJ.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
Flack. I mean I turned on I Every time I
open the computer, something different is going on.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Have you read that though? It cult? Yeah, you know
what it sounds like.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
It sounds like a bunch of players who didn't get
any playing time and for whatever reason, apparently missed when
they signed up to go play there.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
His mantras, his slogan, like the row of the boat
is that? Is that not always what PJ. Fleck's been
known for.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Like at some point you got to put your foot
in the ground and say, these kids have to grow
up and realize you are being pushed mentally and physically
to reach levels that you don't believe you can reach.
And there's gonna be some uncomfortable things that come along
with that. But like you get a couple a few
disgruntled players now get a voice, and any anyone who's
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who's willing to write a story and an article, we're
gonna write an article about it. It's just I think
it's a slippery slope that you think. I mean, you
put anybody is venturing on.
Speaker 9 (33:58):
Yeah, I mean you put anybody inside any college football
program it's going to seem really weird, and it's going
to seem cultish.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
The things they say are going to seem stupid.
Speaker 9 (34:09):
It's just like listening to any love song, like every
breath you take, you're like, my god, this guy's a stalker.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
He's horrible. I mean, this is terrible. I mean, any
love song is like that song. It's not healthy, you know.
Speaker 9 (34:21):
I mean a lot of the way we approach college
football and the way we do it is not, I guess,
would be considered within the bounds of healthy in today's
day and age, where we are ultra sensitive and really
conscious of each other's feelings, which isn't necessarily a bad thing,
but it doesn't really mix with college football.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
And I've always said.
Speaker 9 (34:42):
For years and years that in a perfect world, you know,
this sport probably wouldn't exist because of all the crazy
things that are inside of it and some of the
stuff that it cultivates. Now, a lot of the other
stuff it cultivates is really cool. It reveals character and competition,
and competition veal's character and virtue, and we see the
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best of each other when we're strained in a lot
of ways. But I think you're right Brady. I think
the more you look into any college football program and
the more some player comes out and says, yeah, well,
let me tell you about what happened with this guy.
I mean, we can all do that for days and
extra days. Usually it's just called what we do around
a table drinking.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Tell me what team or locker room you can walk into.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
It can't five five to ten disgruntled players in any sport.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
But football in particular.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Like, right, yeah, it might be like a thirty.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
I'll put it this way.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
There's people listening right now that we're for a corporation
that think their boss is an idiot or their corporation sucks,
but they're doing it for a paycheck. Like, if you
want to find disgruntled people, you can find them.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Like, there's plenty of people.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Who want to air out their issues or where they
feel like they've been wrong or what they don't like
about stuff. I just I feel like now we're starting
to give people who want to complain about stuff a voice.
And I'm just like, all right, why did you just
go somewhere else? But you chose to go there in
the first place. It's not like Minnesota went ahead and
drafted you like, you chose to go there. If you
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didn't like it, go out, go somewhere else. But that's
how PJ. Fleck runs his program. He's actually done a
pretty decent job there.
Speaker 9 (36:14):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I've done maybe one
Minnesota game. The interesting thing about the Northwestern stuff for
me wasn't so much what happened there, Although it's a
wild story and I'm sure Pat Fitzgerald is going to
court and all that. But the one thing that I
never did a Northwestern game. I've never met Pat Fitzgerald.
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I respected him from AFAR, but I didn't know much
about them as a program. I've done one Minnesota game
in my career. I believe I've dealt with PJ. Fleck once,
and the one thing that stood out to me in
that game was that he did like a thirty yard
lead up chest bump with his wife after the game
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than they won, and him and his wife literally sprinted
at each other and did a flying chest bump at
an Oregon State of all places, on like the thirty
yard line in Corvallis, and I was like, wow, you
know that is different. I just I remember that stood
out to me. But yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
(37:21):
I've never been in a football program where everybody likes
the coach. I think it's rare in a football program
if you have like sixty seventy guys that really liked
the coach or really like their position coach, or really
like the coordinator.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
It's not the nature of the sport.
Speaker 9 (37:39):
I mean, most football players just sit around and complain
about playing football and how much they hate playing and
having to put on all the pads, and are we
going to be in half pads? Are we going to
be in helmets? Are we going to be in full pads?
What do we have to do today? What level of football?
Or are we going to have to perform today? That's
usually what's in the minds of football players, and then
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you mix that with all the egos and the recruiting
and all the different stuff that goes along with it. No,
most everybody's disgruntled most all of the time. And I
don't think people understand that. I don't think people Football
is such an inside out sport, right you're either inside
it and you understand it, or you're on the outside
and you're trying.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
To understand it.
Speaker 9 (38:20):
If you're interested, We've never had more interest in the sport.
And I think people don't understand what it's like to
be inside the situation on one of these teams. So
you hear about some of this stuff that just makes
a lot of us shrug our shoulders and go okay,
and people are horrified. And it's an interesting mix. You know,
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we talk about football twenty four to seven and we've understood,
we understand it less and less as far as what
the people are like to play.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Well, Patros, we're not disgruntled when you stop by, that's
for sure.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
Well I'm sorry about you know, the day after lockword
for everybody.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
No, it's good. But you went to O Hi. You're
up in the you know the HATO five hanging out,
you know, drinking.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Yeah, yeah, going right by a thousand oaks.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
They did big time. Get him on Twitter at the
old p He is Petros Pavidegas, the co host of
the show.
Speaker 9 (39:16):
Levar's airline story kept me from flying. You know, I
just I keep them up.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
You gotta gotta steer clear at the airports Delta.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
I'm gonna need you to do better.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, yeah, do Petro. We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
I got to tell you something, man, I'm really happy
for the Pac twelve having a team like Colorado in
its conference because with all the attention that Dion Sanders
is brought back to the program, the prestige. You saw
the spring game, the buzz, the discussion, other coaches and
other conferences are talking about it. It's about time the
Pac twelve caught themselves a break, you know, with the
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UCLA and USC leaving at least yeah, at least at
least Colorado's in the conference and bringing back some buzz
to the conference. Who should be announcing there? What time
is it their meteorites deals sometime in the near future?
What was that last week of the week before. But nonetheless,
oh never mind, reports are saying Colorado's going to be
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on their way to the Big twelve instead. Okay, I'm
just curious how that happened and how that stort of
panned out for the entire conference as a whole. The
reports out there is that Colorado is going to receive
a little over thirty one million dollars when they enter
the Big Twelve, which is reportedly going to take place
next season, so obviously not this season. And if these
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reports are even together, yes, and if these reports are true,
that Colorado will give the Pac twelve at least one
year and then they'll be on their way back to
the Big Twelve, where they probably never should have left
to begin with. So have fun with that. What's the
buzz there in Indianapolis at Big ten media Days?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Brady Quinn, Yes, so obviously this came out last night. Now,
some of us, especially been at the Pac twelve media days,
kind of got wind of this last week. And the
thought is it just it makes more geographical sense. I
mean there's a thought with some Colorado purists they never
should have left the Big twelve, even back the Big
(02:00):
Eight in the first place, that at that point in
time they felt like that was what was in the
best interest of Colorado, but some would define it as
a mistake. And so this now gets Colorado back into
a conference they're familiar with. I think they're hoping to
have a greater ground and ability to recruit the state
of Texas.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
And lastly, it's more money.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I mean, that's The reality of it is, we can
talk about the Pack twelve media rights still you just
joked about the truth of the matter is, we don't
know what they're going to sign for, but I'd have
to imagine it's less than the number that Colorado's gonna
get from moving to the Big twelve.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
And it's going to be less money for the Pack.
Now that there's another team leaving, it's less. It's got
to be less financial leverage, more and more for the Pack.
I mean, is there any other way to look at
the Pack twelve other than doomed? Like, I think that's it.
(02:57):
It's a wrap. It was alrighty. I felt like the
moment they lost uh U, C l A and USC
to the Big Ten, that it was already like the
day of reckoning was already on its way.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
I mean, what what else? What else is left?
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Oh, another team leaves, goes to another conference. I just
I think there's going to be other teams. There's I mean,
you don't think there's ors is maybe entertaining it well
going somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
The truth of the matter is, you've I think everyone
probably looks at their options, Andre and our teams. It's
a it's a byproduct of the economics. Okay that the
TV rights media deals are largely what drives this.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
But what you have to ask yourself if you.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Were a conference or if you were one of those
TV networks, you know, why would you want to pay
more for a brand that you might already have the
rights to, right And if you're one of those schools
in the conference, why would you want to bring in
another brand? It's going to take away from your piece
of the pie unless one of two things, they're going
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to help elevate that conference because they're going to bring
in more viewership, or they're going to take less to
come in. Right, they might take a a half rights
fee as apposed as opposed to one hundred percent, So
round numbers, right, if you're getting sixty million a year,
maybe you'd rather take thirty. And the problem with that
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is is it directly correlates to the fact that they're
obviously not getting that much money somewhere else. And if
they're going to take a half rights fee for you know,
whatever period of time before they become a full member,
they're they're sitting there and telling you we're willing to
take the thirty million dollars on the table that this
conference is offering us as opposed to whatever your media
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rights deal may be.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
So I think there's a lot of thoughts.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
You know, Oregon and Washington, some of these other you
know schools in the PAC twelve. Arizona's the one that
I would keep an eye on, you know, these are
these are institute in schools that are looking for safe harbor.
Like everyone's looking at the future of their program and
how this is going to shake out. And I think
somewhere in the back of their minds they're looking at
the economics of it and the saying, if we can't
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make enough money to be able to fund our athletics
program and do so competitively, we.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Have to look somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And that's essentially what the Big Twelve has offered Colorado,
and that's what they're going to potentially offer another team,
because you can't think it's only going to be one.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
They have an odd number.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Of teams once Colorado enters, so you'd have to bring
in someone else.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
And so i'd keep an eye on another.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Pac twelve school joining them, whoever that may be.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
For the Big Twelve, it just goes what's.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
The highest number, what's the highest number. It could be
from the PAC twelve. Could it be Arizona, Arizona State
and Oregon? Could it like could it be one of
those other teams like a Utah or a Washington, Like
what's the number? Because everybody is pillaging the pack.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Right and and it's it's tough to know what that
number is because we don't necessarily know if there's going
to be potentially any other movement in any of the
other conferences to the Big Ten or the SEC. There's
there's always those rumors and things floating around about a
Florida State or Miami or Clemson out of the ACC
you would want to move to the SEC. But again, if
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you're ESPN or Disney in this case, who holds the
rights to both conferences, why would you want to pay
more for a team you already had the rights to.
So the TV network's not behind it, they're not pushing
it the other schools in the SEC. If you're Mississippi State,
you don't want Clemson someone else coming into the too
the SEC and take it up part of you know,
your piece of the pie and then all of a
sudden knocking you down. I mean, you're already trying trying
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to struggle to compete anyway, So why would you want that?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
And so the idea that this expansion.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Is is going to continue, I don't know that I
see it expanding as big and as fast as a
lot of people think. Now, if the PAC twelve just
completely fell apart, that'd be one thing. But I think
they will be able to negotiate a media rights deal
and and you know, the schools are going to have
to make the decision on what they want to do,
you know, and these other conferences. They might say, yeah,
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we're willing to take an Oregon or Washington if they're
going to take, you know, a fifty percent rights fee.
So it all comes down to the economics of it
and how they can make it work. But the idea
that this like expansion is going to be all so
many teams, you can only make it feasible for X
number of teams, you know, and unless you're you know,
you're willing to get more money for the media rights.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
And I don't necessarily know that that's going to be
the case.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
But maybe it is the Big twelve that wants to
have the biggest conference, and maybe that's their their plan,
and they say, hey, look, if you're in the Big
ten or SEC, AGC or you know, PAC twelve, you
know you come playoffs like we're going to be everyone's
non conference game basically because we have all the other
teams that are in the Power five and then we've
got a competitive conference, you know, playing amongst each other.
You know, that might be the plan that they think
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is best moving forward, but that doesn't mean that the
Big ten and SEC are gonna fall through with that.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Outside of the economics of it all, if you just
looked at the optics, it's just another blow and another
slight against the PAC twelve. And you guys have obviously
played football in every you know, I would assume in
a lot of different conferences. You've played all over the country.
You've seen it or coached or been around it or
covered it or called games or whatever. It's just becoming
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more obvious over the past five six years. And Petros
is coming on next hour and he's been talking about
this as well. Just become more obvious that there's clearly
an order of importance on football and athletics in certain conferences,
and the PAC twelve is clearly dead last amongst the
Power fives. And I don't even know if it's close.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
There's a lot of reasons why though.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I mean, if you look at the PACTROW schools, they
tend to have more Olympic sports, more sports in general,
which makes it harder to put as much as many
resources into football, for example, as a school in the SEC.
So that's one thing to kind of have going against
them that hurts them. The leadership of Larry Scott was
awful as a commissioner, and I you know, know Larry,
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I obviously would run into him often working.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
He's a nice man.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
He did not do a good job and foreseeing the
future and figuring out distribution of the PAC twelve and
understanding the landscape of where everything was going.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
So he put them behind the eight ball.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
So you can't talk about what's happening without talking about
the economics, because that's that's where that's why they've gotten
to this point. I will say this, you know, don't
I don't ever get the sense that the culture on
the West coast, you know, takes into account football as
much as it does in the Midwest, in the South,
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in the state of Texas. However, you want to find
them geographically. When I look at and go to those
campuses and see people out tailgating at seven am. I
don't see that. You know, granted when when we're out
in the West Coast, those games aren't as early, but
you don't see that type of crowd. You don't see
that type of you know, desire for it. I mean
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even high school games and LeVar, I know, you go
out there and coach, but you go back to my
high school at Simon, Ohio.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
You get ten thousand every single game. And that's you know,
one of three publics.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
The Trinity League. There's one league that's like that, and
that's the Trinity League. You get that, you get that
type of participation, But I get what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
One and this isn't a knock on the athletes out there,
like I think. That's the hard thing about this is
the PAC twelve has the most parody, in my opinion,
of any of the Power five conferences this year. They've
got unbelievable quarterback play, They've got great coaches, they have
unbelievable teams. I think top to bottom, you'd say, like
the I'm not even sure. Maybe you'd say, you know,
(10:51):
Washington State might be you know, towards the bottom or
whoever you.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Want to throw in that guy, maybe maybe Arizona.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Go look in Jane Delauria and then and some of
the plays he last year, Jed Fish and what he's
building in Tucson. You know, go look up in Washington
state of cam Ward, who's an absolute studded quarterback for them.
And I just I think it doesn't matter who you're
talking about. In the Pac twelve, they have as I
guess high of a floor as anyone in college football
as far as the teams, and they beat up on
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each other and it's actually been to their own demise
because they have been part of the college football playoff.
But I mean as far as like the stadiums are
filling them out and all that.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
You see it from time to time.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
But it's not quite the same as the feel that
the campuses.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
It's not the same environment for the college level. It's
not the same. I mean the intensity of and and
just the feel of what what the game presents, game
day experience presents. It's definitely different. On the West Coast.
It's it's more laid back.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
If you go to some of those other regions in
the country, there's almost like a I don't want to
say live or die with this game or with this team,
but there's just a feeling of this is important and
this impacts us if our team loses, and that creates
an anxiety and an intensity in those stadiums that you
can't really match. And you come out to a PAC
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twelve game and it's like, eh, well we'll go to
in and out afterwards, like it just there's no it's
just not the same, Like there's no there's no buzz
to it.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
So I mean, I can promise you this from growing
up in Columbus.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Ohio, the way they feel about Michigan after and people
tend to forget this. Michigan's beating the last two years.
They didn't play during the COVID year, so it's been
four years since Ohio state has known success.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Firsus.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Michigan's right, and you better believe every single Michigan a
lum Michigan fan lets them know about it. Like you
cross that state line and you go up north and
you're going on a nice little vacation up in.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
One of those beautiful lakes.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
They've got Michigan and you get an Ohio play, They're
gonna let you know it's just I'm telling you it's
a different way of life when it comes to football
and how it's ingrained into the culture, into the society
of a lot of those towns, communities and cities.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, it's uh. And and by the way, the the
odds for the Big Ten championship right now debt even
Michigan and Ohio State both plus one sixty five according
to our friends at DraftKings to win.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
The I'll say this much, I have some you know what,
and tell me, tell me what Penn State's that's because
go put some money on Penn State six. Is that
the team? There's some value there, man, that's a good
football sea.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Listen, I've got enough people. I've got enough people inside
the Big Ten Conference and people in and around that
cover the sport and cover those teams involved. And they're
telling me that Penn State is staring three losses square
in the eyes. And again, that's on that's on good authority.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Three three losses, listen, clearly saying Michigan, Ohio State, and
who's the other one?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Right, I mean Illinois? I mean, of course, like what
would you?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I mean, We'll be there week three, big new kids
will be there for that one.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I mean, you saw what happen at the goal line
for those two point conversions a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
That was not last year.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Yeah, but it was a.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Couple of years ago. But there's still remnants of that
in the minds of people there.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
There's no roal room.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I think Jonas had had a bet that might have
come back to get him there.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And do you know by the way, I mean look.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
That they do they do.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
They do get Iowa, they host them for the white
out right, that's the White Aghandas year.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
It should be awesome.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
And then they do have to go to they have
to go to East Lansing and that's actually excuse me,
that's a Ford Field.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Yeah, yeah, that's Ford Field. So that could that could
be a you know, who knows.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, it's gonna be difficult, man, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
We've got to get Michigan and Ohio State. That's the
We got to get one of them.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
And that's that's honestly, bitch.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
You need to get both because that's been James's achilles heel,
you know, since he's been there.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And I would also say watch out for Delaware week two.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Yeah, you gotta watch out for Delaware.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
It feels like, you know, you should watch when Delaware
comes into you should watch both Arringtons.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, damn right?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
You sure a little far?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah yeah, the real Stick City sometimes right.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
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Speaker 2 (15:23):
You ever had truth before? Because Jim Mersay had some
shots of truth and when he got to that bar
and he was ordering those truth shots, he went on
Twitter and he said the following.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
What he say, what do you say?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
NFL running back situation? We have negotiated a CBA that
took years of effort and hard work and compromise in
good faith by both sides. To say now that a
specific player category wants another negotiation after the fact is inappropriate.
Some agents are selling quote bad faith that from Jim
Irsay on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I mean, as a as a business owner, he's not
wrong with not no, I mean he's not wrong. And
this is this has been my issue really with I
don't want to say it's complaining, but this has been
the issue for me, at least with the running backs
speaking so open about it, because everyone feels for you.
(16:18):
But the only people who are going to be able
to correct the issue is your own union, which you
should have been more vocal, or you should have talked
about this years ago before you know, renegotiated a CBA
or the players around you. And like I've said before,
you've got to have a quarterback or someone else be
willing to take less. And we've got a more recent
(16:40):
example of a quarterback taking less, and we can get
to that.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
But that's the only solution.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
The owners are not going to feel bad for you
and want to give you more money. It doesn't work
like that. Like they already feel like they're giving you
an opportunity to make millions of dollars to play a
game as an ad old, and that's and that's their stance.
I mean, if if you look at these guys, you
(17:06):
know an owner is going to sit there and say, well,
you know, okay, if you don't like the work conditions here,
you're free to go somewhere else and see if you
can make money somewhere else. In all seriousness, the running
back group would be probably better off going and talking
to the PIF and trying to get them to start
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up another football league.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
We're trying to get.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Them to in all seriousness, like at this at this juncture,
it sounds radical, but I'm not even kidding. Like, if
you could take all those names that are running backs
and compensate them more, that's the only thing that's going
to put owners in a difficult spot. You all might say,
think I'm crazy right now, but I'm being serious, Like
they don't have any leverage.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
That would be their only leverage.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
If you want to scare an owner, go find a
wealth fund like that that can throw billions of into
developing another league that's gonna be able to compensate the players,
in particular running backs more so than the NFL can.
And see if you get a mass access of players
over there.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Wow, could you imagine that if those players wouldn't happen,
you know, I.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Mean, oh, I don't know, man, I'd be looking.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
I'd be looking at them running backs like.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah, Lavard be back out there, linebacker.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
I'd be like, yeah, good luck to y'all.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Man, I really feel for y'all.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
But yeah, look, just like you gotta do what you
gotta do.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
LeVar gotta do what LeVar got to do.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Jim Mercy's got money, but does he have Saudi money?
That's that feels like it's on a whole nother level.
They're starting golf leagues, they're starting, you know, they're getting
involved with you know, international superstar soccer players like and
it's I mean, it's crazy if you think about it initially,
But if you look at it deeper and you think,
(18:56):
all right, well, what is their option? It doesn't feel
like they have a whole And to Ers's point, you're
locked into this for what another seven years? Eight years?
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Do you think, let's just say, for the sake of
saying what you're saying, Q could happen. Do you think
that they could put together the infrastructure and the production
structure of what it would take to even be remotely
close to being competitive with the NFL? Or is it
(19:27):
just all about the money? Does it not matter and
it's just about the money.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
It is all about the money. I mean, I'll put
it this way. If I mean, I know you don't
follow golf, but if you did and you went to
a live golf event, you'd see a lot of similarities
to another professional golf event. There are differences, but it
doesn't feel like you're at a lower circuit.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Event or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
And this is no disrespect to those that play on
like the corn Ferry Tour, which is a lower circuit
than the PGA Tour or anything like that, but it
doesn't feel like it's lesser of an event.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
And so you think.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
That they could reproduce that for the National Football League
like it wouldn't look I feel like you would probably
have to do it, or the USFL.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
You'd probably have to do it with less teams.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
So maybe you start out with eight, maybe you go
to sixteen, whatever the case is. You could probably start
out with less teams. You'd purge the XFL, the USFL
of any you know, bottom level talent whatever, because you've
got to have, you know that, the ability to fill
out rosters bodies right, and then and then you can
go pluck in some stars and there might be you know,
(20:38):
the hardest thing is is if you look at golf,
golf's as a global sport, so you can throw golf
in all sorts of different countries and cities and they'll
still be.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Able to do it. Now, will will then have the
same absorption.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
If you go to different countries and different markets, there's
a feeding for it.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
But maybe not to have.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
A full time team, Like there's a few things that
probably make it difficult. But if you have unlimited resources,
which it seems like they've got a ton of money,
and you could garner some of that and instead of
you call it the National Football you call it the
World League, whatever you want to call it, you could
start potentially competing legitimately and eventually get there. It's gonna
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take time like anything else, but look at how fast
the PGA Tour changed their tune. It took what a year? Yeah,
maybe a little more than a year now, and again
that was a little easier infrastructure to replicate and compete.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
But that's all it took.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
And you started stealing with a few top talented play I.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Mean, it's not that hard.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
The other issue they're going to they would face in
this hypothetic word plan out is you.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Know, quarterbacks are already really well paid.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I mean you'd really have to sit there and say, like, yeah,
we're giving everyone like double what Deshaun Watson got right
fully guaranteed.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
But like you say, yikes, but they've got those thoughts.
We got it. Thank hi, they got those sort of
teap pockets.
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Speaker 2 (22:44):
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Speaker 6 (23:04):
Hell? Sorry that about yesterday?
Speaker 9 (23:08):
No where were we at I was in a southern
California town called uh in the north area of Ventura
County called Ohama. Yeah, wow, Yeah, have been to Ohi before.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
Probably a lot.
Speaker 9 (23:26):
Of your listeners around the country may not have heard
of it. It's a small kind of art slash farming community.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Vineyards, a lot of wine vineyards over there.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (23:39):
I'm not much of a wine drinker anymore. I used
to drink a lot of wine when I waited tables.
I mean like a lot of wine.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
Like we would.
Speaker 9 (23:46):
Guzzle cheap crook table wine in the back while we
were serving. So, you know, wine gives me indigestion. I'm
not much of a but I drank a lot of
fancy drinks, you know, like the cocktails they have like
like on the menu with like cool names.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I drank some of those nice.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
What is the is it opah?
Speaker 6 (24:09):
What's the the Greek exclamation? Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
And what's the drink after dinner drink? What's that called?
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Oh, you're talking about the Greek liqueur uzzoo? That was yeah.
Speaker 9 (24:25):
Yeah, it's like it's got like a black licorice kind
of vibe.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
Yeah, all that different stuff very close. Yeah, it's I
mean you.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
Very common in Greek households to use uzzo on the
gums of teething children and to rub it on there
because it's made with some kind of like the same
stuff that they make anesthetic with, so it has a
numbing effect in the mouth and throat. But Greeks also
(24:57):
drink brandy. There's a Greek brandy called Metoxa that's named
after a Greek prime minister who gave a very famous
one word speech in Greek history around World War Two,
when Italy was trying to occupy Greece, you know, the
same way Germany occupied France.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
He said, auchi What does that mean? Achi? I guess
in English it would be o x i, which is
no means no.
Speaker 9 (25:29):
And the Greek celebrate, I think it's in October. They
celebrate Auchie Day, which is the day of no. Yeah,
the day you told Italy no, you're going to have
to come and occupy us, which they did. But we
didn't just lay down like France. Well, well we didn't
just lay down like the French.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
You know.
Speaker 9 (25:51):
Look, the French had a rough time. World War One
was rough on the French and they really weren't feeling it.
When World War two came down, and you know, I
guess we can understand to a certain degree, but the
I believe, you know where the word Cretan. You ever heard,
like somebody called a Cretan. Yeah, like they're you know.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
Like like you're like a like you're an animal derogatory term, right,
And that comes from the Nazi army, I believe because
Crete was never taken.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
Crete was a is a Greek island. It's the biggest
Greek island, and it was the longest occupied by the
evil Turkish Ottoman Empire and they used to really beat
up on the Greeks there, so they were occupied for
a long time and they weren't having it when the
Germans tried to come in, old ladies and children with
pitchforks and stuff just taken it to the paratroopers to
(26:44):
where the Germans just called them Cretans and gave up
trying to take the island.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
How about that?
Speaker 9 (26:48):
Wow, I believe that's true. But I'm sure you have
some historic fact checkers out there.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
You know, at one point in time, speaking of history,
Petros Colorado was in the Big twelve.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Yeah, yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
It's happening again. I think I think it's happening.
Speaker 9 (27:03):
The Jenga game has finally come to its to its
abrupt ending. And I mean nobody's surprised. Is anybody surprised?
Speaker 6 (27:13):
Now? I mean I wasn't.
Speaker 9 (27:17):
I figured something was wrong when they sat me with
the Colorado people at the table at that PAC twelve dinner, Brady,
it was.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
Like, who the hell are these guys? Don't there got
one foot out the door?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Can I be honest with you? I had gotten wind
of that thing at that night. And and what surprises me
is the messaging from the PAC twelve where you keep
hearing Clive Cooff say, you know, the longer we wait,
the better do it gets.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
How can that be the case.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
How could the deal get better the longer they wait,
especially if more.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Teams are going to move out of the conference.
Speaker 9 (27:53):
I remember twenty eighteen, I was doing the PAC twelve
championship game.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
With you, Brady. Remember what you did the game with
Joe Davis.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I did never forget the post game trophy ceremony.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
Why did I do something wrong? No, not wrong.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
It's just one of the most amazing things. Afterwards. I
think at one for it you were like, ah no, I.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
Think that was the big twelve twelve.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
Yeah, no, this one was like remember that game was
like six to three or something like that. It was
really kind of a Washington Colorado, Yeah, Washed, No, Washington.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Utah, Washington, utahka.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
Right, And it doesn't really matter who played or what
happened in the game. But Brady called the game, and
I was the sideline guy, and I remember, you know,
whenever you have a PAC twelve championship or any kind
of championship, sometimes there's like a state of the state
sort of address. And Larry Scott, who literally him along
with the university presidents, they really destroyed West Coast football
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as we know it. And the thing that bothers me
the most about the PAC twelve, which is intimate imminently
collapsing now and we all have seen it coming, the
thing that really bothers me about it is it didn't
have to happen. They very could have easily partnered with
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Fox or NBC or anybody that does college football or
wants to do college football, ESPN, people that know how
to put TV on the air, all that stuff. They
could have partnered with any of those people and had
comparable money to the Big Ten Network and the Big
twelve and all the different people going around right now,
they could have done that, and those deals were there
(29:34):
to be made, and they were not made. They were
made by a guy named Larry Scott. So let's go
back to twenty eighteen, and everybody's like, dude, what are
we going to do? The conference is bleeding out. Purduees
made seventy million more dollars than Oregon State or whatever
to this point on these network TV deals, and Larry
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Scott's was like his message was, well, you guys, just
wait till twenty twenty three and you see what we got.
And it was like that was five years ago and
they were kicking the ball down the road to twenty
twenty three. Well, the longer you wait, My point, Brady
is look what happened. They were waiting and waiting and waiting,
(30:16):
and suddenly they're hot. LA girlfriends left for a banana
nosed idiot guy in the Midwest. You know, I mean
all that time, you know that, you were like, well
wait till twenty twenty three comes around, everything's going to change.
Then you lost the two things that made the conference
viable USC and UCLA. So they've been poorly managed from
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the get go. I don't know what we would we
expect from Kleiafkough. I'm not impressed at anything he says
or does, but it's almost like he has an absolutely
impossible job at this point, because there's rumors that Oregon's
going now to the Big Twelve of all places, and
then the Big Ten's going to scoop up whoever they want,
(31:00):
if they want him, and then everybody else is going
to be absorbed by some kind of mountain west looking
West coast thing. I don't I feel bad about it.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Can we go back to the Big twelve though, and
go back through that? Ah?
Speaker 6 (31:13):
That was? That was me and Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
Yeah, Oklahoma took it to uh CCU.
Speaker 9 (31:24):
Yeah, Gary Patterson's team in the Big twelve championship game,
and we had a little excitement with Baker on stage,
so I gave kind of like all right, and on
the way back to Joe Davis.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
And Joe Davis you know, that was kind of like,
you know, I was kind of like, well that was
very exciting. Bro. That's a little bit of a weird contrast.
You know, Oh, the bet sounds like he's doing w
w E.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Bro. I could do a game.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I could never do a game with you all the
time because I'll be die laughing half the time. Sit
up with you the boot like I did have I
make it seriously, I know it too much.
Speaker 9 (32:02):
I'm very serious about my job in college football. But
it is, uh, it is. It's hard to be serious
in the off season when these things happen and everybody's like,
oh my god, can you believe Colorado wasn't the Big Twelve?
It's like, uh, yeah, totally. I mean, what did the
Colorado ever do in the Pac twelve? Did they compete
at all? Maybe a couple of years, I mean they really,
(32:27):
I mean they had a.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Come on, now, don't forget Sepo. You had a good year.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Their best year was the COVID year. That says it all.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, but didn't mel Tucker parlay that into ninety million dollars?
Speaker 6 (32:42):
He sure did.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, So there was a pause of the can.
Speaker 9 (32:45):
That is an amazing occurrence, isn't it how Meltucker figured this.
I mean, not everybody navigates their way through the troubled
waters of college football but ends up one hundred million
dollars richer, But coach mel has so congratulations to him.
And uh, look, who knows what's gonna happen with PJ.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
Flack. I mean I turned on I Every time I
open the computer, something different is going on.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Have you read that though? It cult? Yeah, you know
what it sounds like.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
It sounds like a bunch of players who didn't get
any playing time and for whatever reason, apparently missed when
they signed up to go play there.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
His mantras, his slogan, like the row of the boat
is that? Is that not always what PJ. Fleck's been
known for.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Like at some point you got to put your foot
in the ground and say, these kids have to grow
up and realize you are being pushed mentally and physically
to reach levels that you don't believe you can reach.
And there's gonna be some uncomfortable things that come along
with that. But like you get a couple a few
disgruntled players now get a voice, and any anyone who's
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who's willing to write a story and an article, we're
gonna write an article about it. It's just I think
it's a slippery slope that you think. I mean, you
put anybody is venturing on.
Speaker 9 (33:58):
Yeah, I mean you put anybody inside any college football
program it's going to seem really weird, and it's going
to seem cultish.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
The things they say are going to seem stupid.
Speaker 9 (34:09):
It's just like listening to any love song, like every
breath you take, you're like, my god, this guy's a stalker.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
He's horrible. I mean, this is terrible. I mean, any
love song is like that song. It's not healthy, you know.
Speaker 9 (34:21):
I mean a lot of the way we approach college
football and the way we do it is not, I guess,
would be considered within the bounds of healthy in today's
day and age, where we are ultra sensitive and really
conscious of each other's feelings, which isn't necessarily a bad thing,
but it doesn't really mix with college football.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
And I've always said.
Speaker 9 (34:42):
For years and years that in a perfect world, you know,
this sport probably wouldn't exist because of all the crazy
things that are inside of it and some of the
stuff that it cultivates. Now, a lot of the other
stuff it cultivates is really cool. It reveals character and competition,
and competition veal's character and virtue, and we see the
(35:03):
best of each other when we're strained in a lot
of ways. But I think you're right Brady. I think
the more you look into any college football program and
the more some player comes out and says, yeah, well,
let me tell you about what happened with this guy.
I mean, we can all do that for days and
extra days. Usually it's just called what we do around
a table drinking.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Tell me what team or locker room you can walk into.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
It can't five five to ten disgruntled players in any sport.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
But football in particular.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Like, right, yeah, it might be like a thirty.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
I'll put it this way.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
There's people listening right now that we're for a corporation
that think their boss is an idiot or their corporation sucks,
but they're doing it for a paycheck. Like, if you
want to find disgruntled people, you can find them.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Like, there's plenty of people.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Who want to air out their issues or where they
feel like they've been wrong or what they don't like
about stuff. I just I feel like now we're starting
to give people who want to complain about stuff a voice.
And I'm just like, all right, why did you just
go somewhere else? But you chose to go there in
the first place. It's not like Minnesota went ahead and
drafted you like, you chose to go there. If you
(36:07):
didn't like it, go out, go somewhere else. But that's
how PJ. Fleck runs his program. He's actually done a
pretty decent job there.
Speaker 9 (36:14):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I've done maybe one
Minnesota game. The interesting thing about the Northwestern stuff for
me wasn't so much what happened there, Although it's a
wild story and I'm sure Pat Fitzgerald is going to
court and all that. But the one thing that I
never did a Northwestern game. I've never met Pat Fitzgerald.
(36:36):
I respected him from AFAR, but I didn't know much
about them as a program. I've done one Minnesota game
in my career. I believe I've dealt with PJ. Fleck once,
and the one thing that stood out to me in
that game was that he did like a thirty yard
lead up chest bump with his wife after the game
(37:00):
than they won, and him and his wife literally sprinted
at each other and did a flying chest bump at
an Oregon State of all places, on like the thirty
yard line in Corvallis, and I was like, wow, you
know that is different. I just I remember that stood
out to me. But yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
(37:21):
I've never been in a football program where everybody likes
the coach. I think it's rare in a football program
if you have like sixty seventy guys that really liked
the coach or really like their position coach, or really
like the coordinator.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
It's not the nature of the sport.
Speaker 9 (37:39):
I mean, most football players just sit around and complain
about playing football and how much they hate playing and
having to put on all the pads, and are we
going to be in half pads? Are we going to
be in helmets? Are we going to be in full pads?
What do we have to do today? What level of football?
Or are we going to have to perform today? That's
usually what's in the minds of football players, and then
(38:00):
you mix that with all the egos and the recruiting
and all the different stuff that goes along with it. No,
most everybody's disgruntled most all of the time. And I
don't think people understand that. I don't think people Football
is such an inside out sport, right you're either inside
it and you understand it, or you're on the outside
and you're trying.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
To understand it.
Speaker 9 (38:20):
If you're interested, We've never had more interest in the sport.
And I think people don't understand what it's like to
be inside the situation on one of these teams. So
you hear about some of this stuff that just makes
a lot of us shrug our shoulders and go okay,
and people are horrified. And it's an interesting mix. You know,
(38:41):
we talk about football twenty four to seven and we've understood,
we understand it less and less as far as what
the people are like to play.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Well, Patros, we're not disgruntled when you stop by, that's
for sure.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
Well I'm sorry about you know, the day after lockword
for everybody.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
No, it's good. But you went to O Hi. You're
up in the you know the HATO five hanging out,
you know, drinking.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Yeah, yeah, going right by a thousand oaks.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
They did big time. Get him on Twitter at the
old p He is Petros Pavidegas, the co host of
the show.
Speaker 9 (39:16):
Levar's airline story kept me from flying. You know, I
just I keep them up.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
You gotta gotta steer clear at the airports Delta.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
I'm gonna need you to do better.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, yeah, do Petro. We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
There he is other great petros here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
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