July 28, 2023 • 47 mins
It’s a Football Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, and big name injuries are already going down 1 week into training camp with Joe Burrow and Jalen Ramsey. PJ Fleck addresses “baseless allegations’ from soft journalists. And out of nowhere, Sean Payton is taking shots at last year’s regime in Denver.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe Lamar,
Brady Win and Jonas Knots on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I forgot to tell you guys this, what's this is
important stuff, especially today.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Okay, what it's a football Friday.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Come on, come on, it's Friday.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
Come on, Brady.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, the thing is so so this is what Jonas does.
Jonas takes something and then we kind of evolved to
something else, but he wants to take it back to
like the very first iteration of it.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
I did have a second iteration. I have no way
better one too.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I have no control over that being played. You got
to talk to Lee Mark is with us today. There's
been a lot of transitioning.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Going on here.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
You know, Jonas, let me interrupt there, because Q is right,
you run the show. It's your show. So if you're
going to transition us into a new song in a
way of doing.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
It, you can't go back to the old one. Excuses.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
First of all, don't you just can't be any excuses?
First of all, don't you think I would be an
expert in transitioning? All right, so I know clearly what
I'm doing when it comes to this stuff, and I
had nothing to do with one song.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
What exactly does that mean? Exactly?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I did nothing to do with the fact that there
was another football Friday song that was thrown in that
is not being played anymore. I have nothing to do
with that. It's not my not my call here, I
don't know. I'm a passenger, not a driver.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
All them pre show meetings you have with Lee and
I just don't know. You should be on the same page.
Little soft sad, little soft hand boy.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
All right, so let's get into just what is man.
You can't even get a week into the NFL season
or training camp for the NFL season, and already we
got some bad news. Joe Burrow strained calf, goes down,
gets helped to a card at practice yesterday. They're calling
it the strain. Maybe nothing serious to be looking at,
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but he did have goodness is and he had the
sleeve already on there. So is this something that he
was dealing with previously that flared up again? And then
Jalen Ramsey maybe the more serious that we know of
right now. So he suffered a torn meniscus. It's going
to require surgery, He's going to be out. I'm seeing
six to eight weeks, but he's going to miss the
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start of training camp or the start of the season.
So right off the bat, you've got two superstar players
in the AFC who both go down with injuries, and
it just feels like same old story. Right when you
think you know what's going to happen. In the NFL,
stuff like this gets thrown in your lap. But it
completely potentially changes the course of both these teams as
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they head into the season.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So you know, and I know, I think the NFL
and NF NFLPA maybe wants to look at I mean,
coaches have talked about.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
This, not that they really get to say and.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Basically anything, which is one of the most surprising things
when you look at the difference between the NFL and
college football. Coaches have so much more of a say
in how things kind of operate, whether it could be
recruiting windows, whether it could be you know, transfer portal windows,
or just the calendar year in general, it seems like
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college football takes into account coaches more so than the NFL.
And the reason why I bring this up is coaches
have always had an issue with the NFL calendar and
how it's slated. It doesn't really make sense if you
think about it. Okay, So you go into an off
season program like season ends.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
You go on an off season program.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Used to be back in March, now it's April, okay,
and to start with some light stuff. You can't even
do really anything on the field football wise. It's all
like conditionings, you know, strength stuff. And then you get
into having these practices that aren't even padded all right,
you had OTAs offseason trading activities and these are not
even padded practice. You can't hit camp bang, can't do
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the things that you actually need to practice and do.
But during a period of time during the year, what
really doesn't matter. Right, You're in May, you're into June.
Then you got this three day mini camp, okay. Then
you have six weeks off in some cases six weeks,
and then you have of a sudden ramp and hit
right into training camp where you've got some preseason games.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
In some cases, teams.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Go to camp, they're playing a game, a meaningful like
preseason game to somebody's back end of the roster guys
in two and a half weeks. It's kind of bizarre
if you actually think about it, like you'd rather have
your players build up to something instead of have them
come in, start to build up to something and then
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be off for six weeks and then go right back
into this intense environment that is training camp. And so
I know a lot of coaches would like to see
them maybe get more time off during the spring and
then have these guys come back where you don't have
that six week layoff and you're getting guys in camp
and you're not easing them into it because they've already
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been eased into it six weeks prior. So I think
it's something the NFL should really look at because the
first two weeks of camp, every player, every coach will
tell you there's always soft tissue injuries. There's always issues
that pop up, and these are the sorts of things
that can literally derail an entire season, especially when you're
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talking about a player like Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Adam Schefter sent a tweet out yesterday sorry to jump
in LeVar, but he sent a tweet out that he
texted with an NFL head coach and the coach said
the exact same thing. I hate the first two weeks
of training camp. They need to restructure the offseason so
it is something that you don't hear a lot about
but apparently there's you know, a groundswall of people looking
at it going why are we doing this the way
we're doing it? And so now you got two.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Logistically I leave that up to the expert of one
Brady Quinn, but I'll say this, first first glance at
the way Joe Burrow pulled up, I immediately thought about
how I pulled up when I posish really's tended?
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
It didn't look good man, because it's immediately you just
don't want to put any pressure down on on your
on your foot. But if it's a if it's a strain,
then that's it's obviously that's a tear.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Two by the.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Way, but if people didn't know that strength slight, slight,
minor tears or whatever. But I do hope that it's
it's it's it's minor in nature. But when you think
about compensating and dealing with different different body part issues,
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especially weight bearing body parts, it's it's very it's very
difficult to get to a place of where you don't
possibly get a more serious injury further down the road,
especially if you are pushing to get back out there
and get back on the field. So now I think,
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you know, for my focus on on just looking at
these injuries, even for Jalen Ramsey, because I also had
to deal with meniscus issues as well. That was actually
the death of my career was I kept splitting my
my cartilage at some point during during practice or during
a game, like I would make movements and I would
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split split cartilage, and so I would.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Have to go get scopes.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
You with both injuries, whether it's soft tissue for his
his calf, or getting getting through the recovery of the
meniscus tear and that repair and them cleaning it up,
which is them basically going in and shaving away what
would look like fingernails hanging from from your knee, the
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sponge of your knee. Basically, they they got to shave
that down and smooth that out.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
There's there's a recovery.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
There's a recovery time where you really really have to
allow for that need to calm down and to feel better.
And then there's also the strengthening and conditioning of that neat.
So so Jalen Ramsey's going to have to to make
sure that he's very very you know, diligent and in
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how he goes through his recovery process. Even though these
types of injuries are actually more more minor, considered to
be more minor you know nowadays, but he's still going
to have to make sure that his body is is
really filling back to normal because he's getting older. And
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I think that the injuries the opportunity for for more
serious injuries, You're you're more likely to be in those
type of scenarios the older you get in getting those
smaller injuries that kind of create that overcompensating. I had
so much cartilage removed that my knee was was not
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on balance the way that it was before I started
getting it, you know, shaved up, and then you know.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
You have little holes.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
They take X rays and MRIs and you start to
see where there's holes in your cartilage and stuff.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
It's it's real, it's real intense.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
And again then flipping back to Joe Burrow, you just
don't want to take a if it is indeed just
a calf strain, you gotta make sure that you're you're
doing everything that you possibly can to keep keep them
stretched out, to keep keep that that calf as really
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as as healthy and as what they say as sumple
as you possibly can, because it can go. You know
that that achilles tend to can go and if it pops,
you know that's that's it for the year. So that
was the first The first thing I thought about when
I started hearing the types of injuries that were taking place,
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was my concern was, you know, it's interesting because I
thought about you Q, because I was like, I wonder if.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
It's the cleats or what you're going to be the turf.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Well, I mean that they weren't grass I think for
Burroughs practice, right, yeah, I mean the Jalen Ramsey injury.
I look at it and go, it's all fun of
games trying to cover Tyreek Hill or whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I was just gonna say that happens. We've seen video
of the Burrow injury. I've looked for the Jalen Ramsey injury.
I don't see it anywhere. But the way it's detailed
is that he became tangled up with Tyreek Kill and
I just wonder if Tyreek Hill put him on skates
and maybe that's what led to this.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Maybe or you're saying that he put him on skates
so they don't want to show it.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
One you know maybe I mean like like grabbed him up.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And maybe Jalen Ramsey's agent might have a couple of
comments on it at some point. You know, since he
has a lot of comments on a lot of.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Things he does, well, he'll at least post a photo. Probably.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Do you think he'll post a photo with him post surgery?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Well, I don't know, because after surgery it's not like
a tough, hard photo, so he probably won't be like
there for him. Then he'll just be there for him
when there's like a Twitter.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Beach, is he is?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
He gonna be holding up Jalen Ramseys Meniscus gone did
it today and just hashtag something and posted on Instagram
athlete gets healed.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Look Yeahniscus healed. Stupid.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
He'll be acting like he did it, like he'll be
now that what makes sense.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
You'll be stated hard with the orthopedic like at a mask. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
we did it here we did.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
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Speaker 2 (12:24):
There's been some allegations this According to Front Office Sports,
this popped up earlier this week allegations from former Minnesota
football players on PJ Fleck, the head coach, and the
culture there at Minnesota. You know a lot of stuff
about you know, just the the mental anguish they feel,
and just sort of all the other stuff that goes
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on there and PJ Fleck and this culture in Minnesota
and all the other stuff that comes along with it
per usual. And so PJ. Flex spoke yesterday and defended
himself and defended the program.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Let's take a listen to the golfers.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Coachas are baseless. We have full support of our athletic director,
Mark Coyle and our university leadership. This is a similar
story that gets peddled every single year, and the majority
of the players have been dismissed or removed from our
football team.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Our program and culture.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Has proven to work on and off the field and
has always done in a first class manner. We're one
of the most transparent programs in the country. There are
tons of testimonials from past, present, and even future Gophers
to support and prove that my energy needs to be
on the twenty twenty three football team and that only
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and not the baseless allegations.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
So there was PJ. Flack, the head coach of Minnesota,
responding to these allegations.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
So a couple things here for starters. Love the fact
that this allegation came out. This article was written by
Front Office Sports, and for those of you with that
haven't read it, I would advise you to please read
it because you're gonna understand why I'm going to say
what I'm going to say next. Okay, there is nothing
in this article. This article is truly baseless. It cites
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anonymous sources with I mean, and I'm not always saying
that you need to put a source in that has
to be cited, but the entire article is based on
quotes from anonymous sources. And if you look at it,
for anyone who's been in an athletic environment of any sort,
you're literally laughing. That's how big of a joke this is.
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This actually makes Front Office Sports, which I have no
idea what that is or who that is, look like
a joke. The fact that they would write this, and
it really speaks to where journalism is nowadays, and it's
lost because this is an example of a website. Again
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I don't even know who Front Office Sports is, but
just trying to write off the code tails of what
was difficult conversations in regards to the hazing allegations and
culture at Northwestern. And there's a I guess a website
that wants to look for another, another scandal, another whatever
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you want to call it. And this was by far
and away one of the worst pieces of an article
that I've ever seen written to try to villainize a
coach like PJ. Fleck, who it doesn't matter if you're
a fan of his methods or not. He is as
upfront about what he believes and how he runs his
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program as anyone you will find. And look, it's not
for everyone. His whole row the boat mantra, there's a
story behind it. When you hear that story, you understand
exactly why he feels the way he does and why
he lives life and coaches the way he does. And
so I have an issue with where we are in
society right now, where we've given a microphone or a
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soapbox to a bunch of people who sign up for
something like in this case, and this actually dates back
to twenty seventeen when PJ.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
Fleck got there.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
There's some people who got pushed out of the program
because they couldn't handle it. They didn't want to work hard,
they didn't want to sign up for what he was
asking them to do. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong
with people who quit or move on. It might not
be the right environment for you, that's okay. You know,
when you go through different levels from high school to
college college, the NFL of sports and athleticism, there's different
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levels of intensity and there's going to be different things
that are asked of you. And if you really want
to push past the brink to make yourself better and
to get to a point where you don't even believe
you can go where your coaches have to push you
past that mentally and physically, it's going to be uncomfortable.
You're probably not going to like it. You might want
to quit at times. That's part of it. And the
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fact that now we give a bunch of people who
couldn't cut it, they didn't like it, it felt uncomfortable,
and we give them a microphone to let them say
whatever they want and bash guys who to ninety five
and ninety nine percent of the players support that coach
believe in what they're trying to do. The fact that
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we're giving them a microphone to me, tells you everything
you need to know about today's journalism is we're just
looking for any little negative article, any little thing. If
you go to any company or corporation around America, you
could find somebody who doesn't like their company. You could
find someone who would call their their culture toxic, or
or the fact that they have slogans or mantra a cult,
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or the fact that, like, for example, one of the
allegations that was made was they punished with them with conditioning.
Oh really, are you kidding? Like, Hey, how about this.
Let's have a competition. Loser has to do suicides if
you don't make enough free throws. We've never heard that before.
We've never heard a coach have to say, hey, loser's
got a condition a little extra. It's always been a
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part of stuff. It's part of teaching people the reward
of winning tea, teaching people the reward of competition. I mean,
it's just it's crazy to me to see how we've
allowed journalism to get to a point where as a
society we have to start throwing this stuff aside and start.
Stop legitimizing, whether it's Front Office Sports or any other
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website or or company that does this, because it's BS
and it's it's sending us in a really really it's
sending us not a really slippery slope.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Here goes the saying, hard times create hard men. Heart
men create easy times. Easy times create soft men. Soft
men create hard times. I'm I'm told I've been on
this narrative for a while now with what you're saying, Q,
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I've been Listen, everybody struggles and suffers with mental anguish.
You don't have to be an athlete, you don't have
to be a football layer. And when you think about,
like just historically speaking, the one sport that you can
always count on there being a coach that is of
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that type of ilk, that type of way is always
going to be football. My first, my first and doctor
nation into football culture was at eight years old, and
the mentality of the coaches was that it was very
intense and it was no nonsense, It was no bsing,
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it was just it was it was all about getting
getting these kids ready to play ball at a youth level.
And you all, you ultimately understand that coaches are going
to be like a It's it's always been an age
old thing.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
It's like the.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Closest thing to the military. So you're dealing with you're
dealing with a military type of environment with what you're doing.
So you're going to do things that are uncomfortable. You're
going to do things that are going to challenge your
mental and emotional stability. You're going to do all of
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those things, or you're going to go through those things
when you're in competition. But the bottom line is you're
going to go through those things.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
In life.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
You ever find yourself wondering how you're going to pay
your next bill, You ever find yourself wondering if you're
healthy enough to get up and go do the job
that you have to go do. Imagine being somebody who's
working on a building, a skyscraper, Imagine somebody who's working
on the highway. Imagine being a law enforcement person or
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a person that is taking care of us as a
first responder, a fireman, a fire person. You know, the
whole idea of it is is that you got to
show up, and you start to learn that in life.
To be successful in life, you got to show up.
And so to me, when I think about you know,
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when guys come out and unless I know for certain,
and you can show without a reasonable doubt, without a
doubt at all, really that it's almost like to me
it would need to be. You might go down the
road to saying it's abuse, like I have been around
people who are abusive with the power that they hold,
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in the power that they have as as coaches, as
people of authority. But even with that, there's a way
to go about doing it. There's a process and how
in which you go about doing it. And to me,
more often than not, you see guys that don't have
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things work out the way that they would want it
to work out, especially these days, things don't work out
the way that you would want to work out, and
it has to be something else's fault. It has to
be someone else's fault. There has to be a reason
outside of yourself. There's no accountability, No, it's probability.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
We know your accountability. When we look at society and
how we handle a lot of.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Things, we completely remove accountability of the individual. And and
that's my biggest issue. Like any any debate conversation you
want to have about anything right now, for me, it
always starts with Okay, what's my own accountability, you know,
like I'm not going to point the finger at someone
else or anything else if I if I can't be
accountable for my actions, for my thoughts, for what I've said,
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And it starts there and then and then that's the
problem is there's so many people out there that aren't
being taught that, especially young young people, they're not.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Being they're not being taught that, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
For example, again, it's going to be tough if you
want to get where you want to go. Like people
act like college football is easy just because you are
a three star, far star, five, whatever you were.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
It's not easy. It's not and it's just part of
and that's a part of the respect of it.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I was just at our event yesterday, right, I was
at our fundraising event yesterday.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
And when when.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
A former player or current players greet one another, it's
different than when a regular civilian greets greets one of
an athlete greets a player. There is something to be
said about one a me as a former player, knowing
what you're going through as a current player, be what
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you as a current player, know what I went through
as a former player, or both, Right, as a current
player and a current player. We know what we're going through.
As two former players. We know what we went through.
There's something to be said. There's a respect of pride.
My captain spoke before me. Brandon Short spoke to the
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group before I spoke to the group, and the things
that he said about me, they almost bring me to
tears when I hear them. If we don't go through suffering, yes,
people suffering. If we don't go through persevering, perseverance, yes, persevering.
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If you don't go through emotional and mental fatigue, you
never build the bonds that are strong enough to last
a lifetime. And for the people that never push themselves
to that or engage in those type of activities to
experience that, I feel for you because I could never
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imagine not being the person that I've become through the
development and the hard times that I've had to go
through in my life, and those are badges of honor,
and a lot of people just aren't up for that
these days.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Aren't you great? It is what it is, aren't you guys?
Grateful for a little? Because I look back at that
and I go my parents. My parents are really strict
and I had a whole coaches that I thought, Man,
those guys were jerks at the time playing football and
I sucked. So there was a lot to complain about.
But I can't think of one time in which they
really got on me, either coaches or or my parents
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or somebody that loved me. I can't think of one
time that they were wrong about it. I go back
and I go, yeah, they had a point like that
was true. I needed to get better.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
And but Jonas, even if they were wrong, even if
you don't like I have coaches that I don't like.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
I've talked about it on the show.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
But you you can't stand Dale Lindsay, you can't stand
ing Dale, But you know what, Hey, but you know what,
it served a purpose. It served a purpose and and
Dale Lindsey isn't going to dictate my outcomes because it
comes back to what Q said.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
It's the self accountability.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
I am going to hold myself to that standard that
level to still show up and do what I need
to do.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Whatever happened to you need to get better, and I'm
not going to be nice about it. Sometimes I need
to be stern and I need to let you know
that this is how.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
You get better.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Like whatever happened to just hard coaching hard parenting, And
I feel like the abuse term has been stretched way
too thin, like we're now spreading it out over every
single interaction when all it is is trying to teach
and learn. And that's a big difference between that and
flat out abuse. And there's been abuse, and we've seen
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examples of it, and all of that is legit and
all that should be taken seriously, but hard coaching doesn't
always mean that it's abuse.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
That's well, that's part of the issue is that there's
two ways of rules of thought when you're a parent,
when you're a coach, when you're someone who's in charge.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
And that's really what this is like.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
So people understand a lot of coaches feel like they
take over as a father figure in a way when
we're talking about football, because they are they're with these
young men for.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Four nowadays five maybe six years.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I mean, there's literally kids playing six years of college
football more than ever before. But they're they're with them
for a long period of time through a pretty formidable
time of their life where they're going to develop from
a teenager and a young man and go into the
you know, the working world, either as a professional athlete
or not. And a lot of the you know, foundation
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of what they believe and how they conduct themselves and
what they're able to achieve is formed during this.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Period of time.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
And I think a lot of coaches, you know, they
take that and they understand that this is regardless of
what people think because of.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
What coaches get paid.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
All these guys realize the responsibility they have and they
all understand that I have to prepare them for life,
and so I can be hard on them now and
hopefully life will be easier, much like we always talk
about how you won't practice be harder than the actual game.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
That's kind of what it's like in sports, Like sports
are they're a tool, there are a resource to help
you to deal with life because life is harsh man
and there's a lot of people who, you know, they
want sports to be easy and soft and they.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Want it to be comfortable. That's not it.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I mean, LeVar touched on it like there's suffering in life,
Like there's going to be hard times and you've got
to figure out a way to work through adversity instead
of just allowing it to each you up and make
you continue to go down to a downward spire or
a terrible path.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
And so a lot of these, you know, coaches and.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
People who are influences, they're using the game, whatever that
may be, football or whatever else to help prepare you
for that, to prepare you for being a dad one day,
or a husband, or what happens when you get fired.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
From your job. You know, they're preparing you for all
these things.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
How you need to respond to adversity, and it's not
going to be comfortable. They're going to push you past
your limits, or there's gonna be someone there who's gonna
help push you past your limits or challenge you.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
And that's a good thing. But we're not allowing our society,
we're not allowing.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
People to feel uncomfortable or feel like they're being pushed
to your point, Jonas, it's now being categorized, well, that's abuse.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
No, it's not, Jonas.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
You work out all the time, right, yes, and there's
times when you like, you know, if you want to
get stronger, if you want to look a certain way,
you have to push yourself past what you want to do.
There's people who probably already worked out today, are going
to work out. I've worked out yet going to work out.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
There will be times when I want to quit. There
will be times when I'm.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Like, I don't really want to do this, But you
have to push yourself past that mentally or have someone
there who's who's willing to do that and help you
push you past that.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, And number one time have I been done working
out and been like, God, I wish I didn't do that.
You're proud of yourself, like, hey, I accomplish something today.
It's the smallest thing. But then they always talk about it,
like start your day with a victory, don't hit the
snooze button. Let that be the first one, and it
goes into and it just sort of snowballs into the rest.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Of your day.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
And but you can't do that anymore because you got
to let people sleep in, and if you don't let
him sleep in, then it's considered abuse apparently. And you know,
you can't say row the boat and some of the
other acronyms that PJ.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Fleck uses, because you know, you know, one of the
best parts was, uh so, coach Fleck and I were
talking with another another couple of coaches, and He's like,
and then they kind of transition into like a well, hey,
all right, just he said to one of the coaches,
just don't use this against me in recruiting. He's like,
I already heard from one of the coaches like, oh
there's another thing I could.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Use in consumer recruiting.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
That's That's kind of the funny thing now, too, is
like it gets to the point where you're like, yeah,
I mean, these guys, as much as you joke about it,
it's now something that another coach will trying to use
against them in recruiting, just just because front Off is sports.
You know, go ahead and goes ahead and runs with
an article.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
I wouldn't go They row the boat.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
We don't even believe in boats in this program.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
I wouldn't get there. The world's flat.
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We've got ourselves a Donnybrook potentially on our hands, some fisticuffs,
a good old throwdown in the AFC, because out of nowhere,
Sean Payton, who's the brand new head coach of the
Denver Broncos, he was speaking with Jarrett Bell of USA
today and just decided to give his thoughts on what
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happened last year in Denver and potentially what could happen
this year in New York with the New York Jets.
So here are some of the quotes, some of the
highlights from the interview.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
It doesn't happen often where an NFL team or organization
gets embarrassed, Sean Payton said, and that happened here. Part
of it was their fault relative to spending so much
bleeping time trying to win the off season. The pr
the pomp and circumstance, marching people around and all of
that stuff. We're not doing any of that. The Jets
did that this year. You watch hard knocks, all of it.
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I can see it coming. Remember when former Washington owner
Dan Snyder put the Dream Team together. I was at
the Giants in two thousand. I was a young coach.
I thought, how are we going to compete with them?
Dion's there now. That team won eight games or whatever.
So listen, just put the work in. Then, when it
came to specifically what happened to Russell Wilson and the
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team last year, on Peyton went on to say, oh man,
there's so much dirt around that. There's twenty dirty hands
for what was allowed tolerated in the freaking training rooms,
the meeting rooms, the offense. I don't know Nathaniel Hackett.
A lot of people had dirt on their hands. It
wasn't just Russell. He didn't just flip. He still has
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it this bs that he hit the wall. Shoot, they
couldn't get a play in. They were twenty ninth in
the league in pre snap penalties on both sides of
the ball. And then he went on to talk about Wilson.
That wasn't his fault, that was the parents who allowed
it in letting all his people in the building and
all the other stuff that went along with it. That's
not an incrimination in him, but an incrimination on the
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head coach, the GM, the president, and everybody else who
watched it all happen.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Now.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Quarterback having an offense office and a place to watch
film is normal, but all those things get magnified when
you're losing, and all that stuff. I've never heard of it.
We're not doing any of that. Everything I've heard about
last season, We're doing the oppice. They can only beat
the bleep out of you so much. But everybody's got
a little stink on their hands. It's not just Russell Wilson.
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It was the poor offensive line. It may have been
one of the worst coaching jobs in NFL history. That's
how bad it was. Sean Payton from the top rope,
out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
I mean, my thirds, Yes, let's just start off with
the obvious.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
There's truth to what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Okay, I mean for all of us who watched it
was an offense that you're going there's no rhythm, no flow.
It didn't seem like they could function. They had a
hard time getting plays in. There was the whole wristband,
remember that whole debacle. Yeah, and everyone made a big
deal about it. I mean, that was part of it.
It highlights so many things. Football is not as easy
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and as simple as sometimes we make it out to be.
You know, there's a lot of intricacies to learning a
new offense. You know, tried to be a first time
head coach, putting it all together while also calling plays.
There's so many difficulties to it. But it was a
disaster in Denver last year. It really was compared to
what they had before where you feel like they're on
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the break there a quarterback away and then you get
that quarterback. But now you have a first time head coach,
and it seemed like it was all just a disaster.
I mean even the game management with time outs and
so forth, a different situational awareness. And remember they hired
was Jerry Rossberg that they brought in during the season.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
And it's like, well, maybe that was something you wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Have before the seasons figured out, you know, when you're
a head coach. So there's a lot of truth to
what Sean Payton saying. Now he's doing it in a
way though that doesn't completely tarnish the relationship he has
with Russell Wilson. But what it does is it puts
Russell Wilson in a spot where no, no, no, you're the
player you have in.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
This entire staff that's in our facility.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
That's blurring the lines between who the Broncos trainers are,
who the Broncos strength coaches are, who the Broncos quarterback
coach and coaches are. That's not going to happen. This
is this is the Broncos. You're the quarterback of our team.
And you know, as far as the office to watch
film and all that, it's called the quarterback room. I
don't care if if you're a Hall of Famer or not,
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Like that's that's where every quarterback goes, and they consider
that their office, their space, especially when you're the starter.
You don't need a separate wing or or portion of
the facility, especially upstairs with the coaches and front office execs.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
And all that.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
So it's it's Sean Payton basically saying like, look, I've
won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
I'm a good coach. I know what I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
None of this stuff that they that they were doing
last year was focused on winning, and we're cutting out
all the crap and we're getting back to trying to
win football games, which is what allows you to be successful,
be a Hall of Fame player, and everything else that
comes along with that, you know.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
For me, I watched the movie that was based off
of Sean Payton getting suspended after bounty Gate took place.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
And you know who's that Sean Payton forget it, mall
cop guy.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
What's his name?
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah, yeah, All Blart, There we go, and and.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Kevin James, There we go.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
I I took away something from that movie. They based
it off of loosely based it off of the true
story of Sean Payton coming back and coaching. And it
was a broken team that his son was playing on.
It was a team that was celebrating if they scored
a touchdown. It was a team that was more, you know,
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more more focused in on other things.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
And but they were a team that wanted to win.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
And I looked at the Denver Broncos and I'm like,
you know, that's what the Denver Broncos were last year.
They were a team that wanted to win. But they
were a team that got to a point of where, well,
if there was the proper play call that came in,
that was a win. If Russell Wilson just went and
talked to the offensive coordinator or studied some film on
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his surface instead of telling people on the sideline to
holler out, run or pass. You know, things might have
been a little better. And I took away from that
movie that when Sean Payton started helping coach the team,
it was his ability to just like kind of decipher
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what was taking place with the other team, what was
taking place with the opportunity, and his connection to the
players and their belief in.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
What it was that was taking place.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
And then boom, all of a sudden, not the next season,
but this season that they were in, those those little
boys started playing some really, really good football.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
I think.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
I think Sean Payton I don't know him very much,
but my interactions with him and my observations of him
and how he handles his players, how he handles his
business as a coach, and how he has communicated I
think is ultimately why he's had so much success as
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a coach. And so to me, he is raising a standard,
but he's also letting them know that he believes that
this is a team that can accomplish at a high
level and that they need to believe in that and
not not for one second think that the outside world
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blaming them for what it is, like, Okay, be accountable
as offensive lineman, you aren't good, be better this year.
It wasn't all on rush, but he was a little dirty,
you know, it wasn't all on on the Well, he
did kind of put it all on the coaching staff,
But I just I just think that he did kind
of put it all on the coach and staff. But
but to me, I just think that looking at now
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where they're at, it's.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
Going to be the team.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
It's going to be the people that believe the most
and what he subscribes to and what he's bringing that's
going to make the difference in terms of if they
have success this year or not.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Now, Robert Sala was told about the comments from Sean Payton,
and Robert Sala had this to say at Jets training
camp about those comments.
Speaker 8 (40:33):
Well, I'm not going to acknowledge Sean on that is
he you know, he's been in the league while he
can say what other hell he wants. But as far
as you know what we have going on here, I
kind of look by saying if you ain't got no haters,
you ain't popping so hate away. Obviously we're doing something
right if you've got to talk about us when we
don't play it till week four, and I'm good with it.
You know, the guys in our locker room, they've earned
everything that's coming to him and really excited about what's
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going on. I think Hackett's doing a phenomenal job here him,
the coaching staff is doing a phenomenal job, and we're
focused on us.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
I get it.
Speaker 8 (41:01):
There's a lot of external noise. There's a lot of
people who are hating on us. There's a lot of
people looking for us to fail. There's a lot of
crows peckingett or neck. But all you can do is
spread your wings, keep flying high until those crows fall
off and suffocate from the inability to breathe. It's a
whole nother analogy I'll get into later, but really really
excited about the group we have, the coaching that's going on,
and uh, but I'm going to keep our focus on
us and making sure that we're prepared every single day
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to do the best we can and learn from our
past and grow with grow with every every moment that
we have.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
We can't the NFL, just do you fletch a little
bit and put that game week one. All Right, nobody
gives a riff about Broncos Raiders.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
Come on to thank you? And Jonas.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Did did the Jets play in the Super Bowl last Year's.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Tes defending his guy, I'm with Robert Sali. Guy's got
some got a one.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
I was a tabic confused about the way he like
his tone was like, Uh, if you're not pop or
you're no hater.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
You're not popping.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
He stole that from me.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
What did the Jets even play in the playoffs last year?
Speaker 3 (42:05):
But let's add some context to this, because this is
what happens. This is the slippery slope, all right, that
happens in journalism and and and sports radio.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Sean Payton made reference in the interview to the fact
that when a team is in the press a lot,
winning the off.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Season a lot, right.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
And the thing about the Jets that's interesting is like,
I don't think they've necessarily done anything they like they
got chosen by hard Knocks, right. It wasn't like they
chose to be on hard knocks. In fact, like there
was an article about how, hey, hard knocks can be
a little different this year right. I mean they literally
Robert Sola had to wear a T shirt that says,
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I heart Hard Knocks because there was this perception that
the Jets were gonna like kind of dumb down or
take away from what was Hard Knocks because they didn't
allow them as much access to players being cut and
some of the other things that have made for good
TV in the past.
Speaker 5 (43:01):
But they didn't choose Hard Knocks. Hard Knocks chose them.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
And so like that's one of those things where I
think they've been more in the public eye for that.
They've obviously been more in the public eye because of
getting Aaron Rodgers. That's arguably one of the biggest offseason
pieces that we've had, maybe the biggest depending on who
you talk to, And that was more born out of,
like they're trying to win a Super Bowl, so a
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lot of attention comes along with a figure who's a
future Hall of Famer, a figure who could be considered.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Polarizing to some people.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
And so it's a little odd like and now Dalvin
Cook's they're in New York visiting he could sign with
the team, and he's he's a really good player. You know,
he's a Pro Bowl caliber player, so you know, they're
a lot of things are happening for the Jets, and
I think they're all good things. I don't know that
they're purposefully bringing this all on like they're trying.
Speaker 5 (43:54):
To win the offseason.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
I think it's just a byproduct of like the things
that are kind of happening and what's around them, so
there's naturally gonna be a lot of attention to it.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
So that was one of the things that Sean.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Payton kind of talked about, where I was like, well,
I don't know that they're trying to win the offseason.
Speaker 5 (44:07):
They're just trying to win Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
And so they upgraded a quarterback, They've tried to load
up their roster, which is what any talented players is possible.
Because how is how is it any different from Russell
Wilson joined the Broncos.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
It's really not.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
There's a lot of tension around it now the Broncos
and and maybe Russell Wilson himself personally fed into that, yeah,
but like I don't know that Aaron Rodgers is necessarily
feeding into the stuff. Like, yeah, he's gone to some
different events, right, a Taylor Swift concert or whatever else,
and you're in New York, so you're gonna be publicized.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
But I don't know that the Jets.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Are like outwardly trying to you know, be distracted by
their own you know, media and everything else that's going
on with it. But the last thing I'll say, and
I'll ask you guys, this is, is Nathaniel Hackett and
OC in New York or anywhere else for that matter,
this year if Aaron Rodgers is in the quarterback No,
And that that's I think that's where I think the
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tough thing is for them to answer, is them hiring
Nathaniel Hackett. And look, he's qualified to be an OC.
He's you know, he's qualified to be a coach in
the NFL. But off what happened last year and now
he's with the Jets. It had to meet everything to
do with wooing Aaron Rodgers to come to New York,
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and that being I mean, he was there a part
of the crew that went out to recruit Aaron.
Speaker 5 (45:28):
Rodgers to want to go to the Jets. He was
on that flight.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Usually it's a head coach, owner, front office, executive, general manager,
for example.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
Not not the OC.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
But he was a part of that group because of
his personal relationship with Aaron Rodgers. So I do think
that's the pink elephant in the room that you have
to acknowledge is Nathaniel Hackett's probably not there as their
a c.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
If Aaron Rodgers isn't there, is the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
And by the way, it wasn't like you know, if
Sean Payton took out just Nathaniel Hackett, he took out
George Peyton, he took out the president. They're still there
from my understanding, they're still in Denver. So he made
sure to criticize them that they also had dirt on
their hands with the way that everything happened last year.
He just maybe he was having a cocktail, you know.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
I don't want to say it, but I feel like
there's some collateral damage there, you know, but still in
the building.
Speaker 5 (46:21):
I do that sometimes.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
I feel bad doing it sometimes, But like and Jonas
probably knows this, He's probably like, yeah, that's that's happened before.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
I mean, look, you got you gotta let people know.
And now we get a Now, how do you think
that if this if there's no back and forth or
no hey, you know, I got out of line there,
Like how do you think that pre your postgame handshake
is going to go in Denver in October for Week five?
Speaker 3 (46:43):
It's gonna be a strong one, dude. I mean, first off,
Saul has been hitting the waves. Yeah, you can tell
he's all yoked up.
Speaker 5 (46:49):
Pete, he's got he's gonna check the rounds. He's been
hitting something else there on social So.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
I'm just telling you right now, that's gonna be one
strong handshake where they're like grab it, embrace each other
and Sauw is gonna whisper something in his ear and
depending on how the outcome of the game goes.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
Uh, it's so good job, Peyton. I know Sucker though,
I'll tell you that he will. He's got he might
be a better trash talker than lung capacity.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah he does.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
Yes, he does.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
I mean, and and he's in the right place for it.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
I forgot to tell you guys this, what's this is
important stuff, especially today.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Okay, what it's a football Friday.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Come on, come on, it's Friday.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
Come on, Brady.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, the thing is so so this is what Jonas does.
Jonas takes something and then we kind of evolved to
something else, but he wants to take it back to
like the very first iteration of it.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
I did have a second iteration. I have no way
better one too.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I have no control over that being played. You got
to talk to Lee Mark is with us today. There's
been a lot of transitioning.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Going on here.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
You know, Jonas, let me interrupt there, because Q is right,
you run the show. It's your show. So if you're
going to transition us into a new song in a
way of doing.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
It, you can't go back to the old one. Excuses.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
First of all, don't you just can't be any excuses?
First of all, don't you think I would be an
expert in transitioning? All right, so I know clearly what
I'm doing when it comes to this stuff, and I
had nothing to do with one song.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
What exactly does that mean? Exactly?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I did nothing to do with the fact that there
was another football Friday song that was thrown in that
is not being played anymore. I have nothing to do
with that. It's not my not my call here, I
don't know. I'm a passenger, not a driver.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
All them pre show meetings you have with Lee and
I just don't know. You should be on the same page.
Little soft sad, little soft hand boy.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
All right, so let's get into just what is man.
You can't even get a week into the NFL season
or training camp for the NFL season, and already we
got some bad news. Joe Burrow strained calf, goes down,
gets helped to a card at practice yesterday. They're calling
it the strain. Maybe nothing serious to be looking at,
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but he did have goodness is and he had the
sleeve already on there. So is this something that he
was dealing with previously that flared up again? And then
Jalen Ramsey maybe the more serious that we know of
right now. So he suffered a torn meniscus. It's going
to require surgery, He's going to be out. I'm seeing
six to eight weeks, but he's going to miss the
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start of training camp or the start of the season.
So right off the bat, you've got two superstar players
in the AFC who both go down with injuries, and
it just feels like same old story. Right when you
think you know what's going to happen. In the NFL,
stuff like this gets thrown in your lap. But it
completely potentially changes the course of both these teams as
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they head into the season.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So you know, and I know, I think the NFL
and NF NFLPA maybe wants to look at I mean,
coaches have talked about.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
This, not that they really get to say and.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Basically anything, which is one of the most surprising things
when you look at the difference between the NFL and
college football. Coaches have so much more of a say
in how things kind of operate, whether it could be
recruiting windows, whether it could be you know, transfer portal windows,
or just the calendar year in general, it seems like
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college football takes into account coaches more so than the NFL.
And the reason why I bring this up is coaches
have always had an issue with the NFL calendar and
how it's slated. It doesn't really make sense if you
think about it. Okay, So you go into an off
season program like season ends.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
You go on an off season program.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Used to be back in March, now it's April, okay,
and to start with some light stuff. You can't even
do really anything on the field football wise. It's all
like conditionings, you know, strength stuff. And then you get
into having these practices that aren't even padded all right,
you had OTAs offseason trading activities and these are not
even padded practice. You can't hit camp bang, can't do
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the things that you actually need to practice and do.
But during a period of time during the year, what
really doesn't matter. Right, You're in May, you're into June.
Then you got this three day mini camp, okay. Then
you have six weeks off in some cases six weeks,
and then you have of a sudden ramp and hit
right into training camp where you've got some preseason games.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
In some cases, teams.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Go to camp, they're playing a game, a meaningful like
preseason game to somebody's back end of the roster guys
in two and a half weeks. It's kind of bizarre
if you actually think about it, like you'd rather have
your players build up to something instead of have them
come in, start to build up to something and then
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be off for six weeks and then go right back
into this intense environment that is training camp. And so
I know a lot of coaches would like to see
them maybe get more time off during the spring and
then have these guys come back where you don't have
that six week layoff and you're getting guys in camp
and you're not easing them into it because they've already
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been eased into it six weeks prior. So I think
it's something the NFL should really look at because the
first two weeks of camp, every player, every coach will
tell you there's always soft tissue injuries. There's always issues
that pop up, and these are the sorts of things
that can literally derail an entire season, especially when you're
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talking about a player like Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Adam Schefter sent a tweet out yesterday sorry to jump
in LeVar, but he sent a tweet out that he
texted with an NFL head coach and the coach said
the exact same thing. I hate the first two weeks
of training camp. They need to restructure the offseason so
it is something that you don't hear a lot about
but apparently there's you know, a groundswall of people looking
at it going why are we doing this the way
we're doing it? And so now you got two.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Logistically I leave that up to the expert of one
Brady Quinn, but I'll say this, first first glance at
the way Joe Burrow pulled up, I immediately thought about
how I pulled up when I posish really's tended?
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
It didn't look good man, because it's immediately you just
don't want to put any pressure down on on your
on your foot. But if it's a if it's a strain,
then that's it's obviously that's a tear.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Two by the.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Way, but if people didn't know that strength slight, slight,
minor tears or whatever. But I do hope that it's
it's it's it's minor in nature. But when you think
about compensating and dealing with different different body part issues,
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especially weight bearing body parts, it's it's very it's very
difficult to get to a place of where you don't
possibly get a more serious injury further down the road,
especially if you are pushing to get back out there
and get back on the field. So now I think,
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you know, for my focus on on just looking at
these injuries, even for Jalen Ramsey, because I also had
to deal with meniscus issues as well. That was actually
the death of my career was I kept splitting my
my cartilage at some point during during practice or during
a game, like I would make movements and I would
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split split cartilage, and so I would.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Have to go get scopes.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
You with both injuries, whether it's soft tissue for his
his calf, or getting getting through the recovery of the
meniscus tear and that repair and them cleaning it up,
which is them basically going in and shaving away what
would look like fingernails hanging from from your knee, the
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sponge of your knee. Basically, they they got to shave
that down and smooth that out.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
There's there's a recovery.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
There's a recovery time where you really really have to
allow for that need to calm down and to feel better.
And then there's also the strengthening and conditioning of that neat.
So so Jalen Ramsey's going to have to to make
sure that he's very very you know, diligent and in
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how he goes through his recovery process. Even though these
types of injuries are actually more more minor, considered to
be more minor you know nowadays, but he's still going
to have to make sure that his body is is
really filling back to normal because he's getting older. And
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I think that the injuries the opportunity for for more
serious injuries, You're you're more likely to be in those
type of scenarios the older you get in getting those
smaller injuries that kind of create that overcompensating. I had
so much cartilage removed that my knee was was not
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on balance the way that it was before I started
getting it, you know, shaved up, and then you know.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
You have little holes.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
They take X rays and MRIs and you start to
see where there's holes in your cartilage and stuff.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
It's it's real, it's real intense.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
And again then flipping back to Joe Burrow, you just
don't want to take a if it is indeed just
a calf strain, you gotta make sure that you're you're
doing everything that you possibly can to keep keep them
stretched out, to keep keep that that calf as really
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as as healthy and as what they say as sumple
as you possibly can, because it can go. You know
that that achilles tend to can go and if it pops,
you know that's that's it for the year. So that
was the first The first thing I thought about when
I started hearing the types of injuries that were taking place,
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was my concern was, you know, it's interesting because I
thought about you Q, because I was like, I wonder if.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
It's the cleats or what you're going to be the turf.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Well, I mean that they weren't grass I think for
Burroughs practice, right, yeah, I mean the Jalen Ramsey injury.
I look at it and go, it's all fun of
games trying to cover Tyreek Hill or whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I was just gonna say that happens. We've seen video
of the Burrow injury. I've looked for the Jalen Ramsey injury.
I don't see it anywhere. But the way it's detailed
is that he became tangled up with Tyreek Kill and
I just wonder if Tyreek Hill put him on skates
and maybe that's what led to this.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Maybe or you're saying that he put him on skates
so they don't want to show it.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
One you know maybe I mean like like grabbed him up.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And maybe Jalen Ramsey's agent might have a couple of
comments on it at some point. You know, since he
has a lot of comments on a lot of.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Things he does, well, he'll at least post a photo. Probably.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Do you think he'll post a photo with him post surgery?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Well, I don't know, because after surgery it's not like
a tough, hard photo, so he probably won't be like
there for him. Then he'll just be there for him
when there's like a Twitter.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Beach, is he is?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
He gonna be holding up Jalen Ramseys Meniscus gone did
it today and just hashtag something and posted on Instagram
athlete gets healed.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Look Yeahniscus healed. Stupid.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
He'll be acting like he did it, like he'll be
now that what makes sense.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
You'll be stated hard with the orthopedic like at a mask. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
we did it here we did.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
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Speaker 2 (12:24):
There's been some allegations this According to Front Office Sports,
this popped up earlier this week allegations from former Minnesota
football players on PJ Fleck, the head coach, and the
culture there at Minnesota. You know a lot of stuff
about you know, just the the mental anguish they feel,
and just sort of all the other stuff that goes
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on there and PJ Fleck and this culture in Minnesota
and all the other stuff that comes along with it
per usual. And so PJ. Flex spoke yesterday and defended
himself and defended the program.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Let's take a listen to the golfers.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Coachas are baseless. We have full support of our athletic director,
Mark Coyle and our university leadership. This is a similar
story that gets peddled every single year, and the majority
of the players have been dismissed or removed from our
football team.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Our program and culture.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Has proven to work on and off the field and
has always done in a first class manner. We're one
of the most transparent programs in the country. There are
tons of testimonials from past, present, and even future Gophers
to support and prove that my energy needs to be
on the twenty twenty three football team and that only
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and not the baseless allegations.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
So there was PJ. Flack, the head coach of Minnesota,
responding to these allegations.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
So a couple things here for starters. Love the fact
that this allegation came out. This article was written by
Front Office Sports, and for those of you with that
haven't read it, I would advise you to please read
it because you're gonna understand why I'm going to say
what I'm going to say next. Okay, there is nothing
in this article. This article is truly baseless. It cites
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anonymous sources with I mean, and I'm not always saying
that you need to put a source in that has
to be cited, but the entire article is based on
quotes from anonymous sources. And if you look at it,
for anyone who's been in an athletic environment of any sort,
you're literally laughing. That's how big of a joke this is.
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This actually makes Front Office Sports, which I have no
idea what that is or who that is, look like
a joke. The fact that they would write this, and
it really speaks to where journalism is nowadays, and it's
lost because this is an example of a website. Again
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I don't even know who Front Office Sports is, but
just trying to write off the code tails of what
was difficult conversations in regards to the hazing allegations and
culture at Northwestern. And there's a I guess a website
that wants to look for another, another scandal, another whatever
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you want to call it. And this was by far
and away one of the worst pieces of an article
that I've ever seen written to try to villainize a
coach like PJ. Fleck, who it doesn't matter if you're
a fan of his methods or not. He is as
upfront about what he believes and how he runs his
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program as anyone you will find. And look, it's not
for everyone. His whole row the boat mantra, there's a
story behind it. When you hear that story, you understand
exactly why he feels the way he does and why
he lives life and coaches the way he does. And
so I have an issue with where we are in
society right now, where we've given a microphone or a
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soapbox to a bunch of people who sign up for
something like in this case, and this actually dates back
to twenty seventeen when PJ.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
Fleck got there.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
There's some people who got pushed out of the program
because they couldn't handle it. They didn't want to work hard,
they didn't want to sign up for what he was
asking them to do. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong
with people who quit or move on. It might not
be the right environment for you, that's okay. You know,
when you go through different levels from high school to
college college, the NFL of sports and athleticism, there's different
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levels of intensity and there's going to be different things
that are asked of you. And if you really want
to push past the brink to make yourself better and
to get to a point where you don't even believe
you can go where your coaches have to push you
past that mentally and physically, it's going to be uncomfortable.
You're probably not going to like it. You might want
to quit at times. That's part of it. And the
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fact that now we give a bunch of people who
couldn't cut it, they didn't like it, it felt uncomfortable,
and we give them a microphone to let them say
whatever they want and bash guys who to ninety five
and ninety nine percent of the players support that coach
believe in what they're trying to do. The fact that
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we're giving them a microphone to me, tells you everything
you need to know about today's journalism is we're just
looking for any little negative article, any little thing. If
you go to any company or corporation around America, you
could find somebody who doesn't like their company. You could
find someone who would call their their culture toxic, or
or the fact that they have slogans or mantra a cult,
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or the fact that, like, for example, one of the
allegations that was made was they punished with them with conditioning.
Oh really, are you kidding? Like, Hey, how about this.
Let's have a competition. Loser has to do suicides if
you don't make enough free throws. We've never heard that before.
We've never heard a coach have to say, hey, loser's
got a condition a little extra. It's always been a
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part of stuff. It's part of teaching people the reward
of winning tea, teaching people the reward of competition. I mean,
it's just it's crazy to me to see how we've
allowed journalism to get to a point where as a
society we have to start throwing this stuff aside and start.
Stop legitimizing, whether it's Front Office Sports or any other
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website or or company that does this, because it's BS
and it's it's sending us in a really really it's
sending us not a really slippery slope.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Here goes the saying, hard times create hard men. Heart
men create easy times. Easy times create soft men. Soft
men create hard times. I'm I'm told I've been on
this narrative for a while now with what you're saying, Q,
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I've been Listen, everybody struggles and suffers with mental anguish.
You don't have to be an athlete, you don't have
to be a football layer. And when you think about,
like just historically speaking, the one sport that you can
always count on there being a coach that is of
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that type of ilk, that type of way is always
going to be football. My first, my first and doctor
nation into football culture was at eight years old, and
the mentality of the coaches was that it was very
intense and it was no nonsense, It was no bsing,
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it was just it was it was all about getting
getting these kids ready to play ball at a youth level.
And you all, you ultimately understand that coaches are going
to be like a It's it's always been an age
old thing.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
It's like the.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Closest thing to the military. So you're dealing with you're
dealing with a military type of environment with what you're doing.
So you're going to do things that are uncomfortable. You're
going to do things that are going to challenge your
mental and emotional stability. You're going to do all of
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those things, or you're going to go through those things
when you're in competition. But the bottom line is you're
going to go through those things.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
In life.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
You ever find yourself wondering how you're going to pay
your next bill, You ever find yourself wondering if you're
healthy enough to get up and go do the job
that you have to go do. Imagine being somebody who's
working on a building, a skyscraper, Imagine somebody who's working
on the highway. Imagine being a law enforcement person or
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a person that is taking care of us as a
first responder, a fireman, a fire person. You know, the
whole idea of it is is that you got to
show up, and you start to learn that in life.
To be successful in life, you got to show up.
And so to me, when I think about you know,
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when guys come out and unless I know for certain,
and you can show without a reasonable doubt, without a
doubt at all, really that it's almost like to me
it would need to be. You might go down the
road to saying it's abuse, like I have been around
people who are abusive with the power that they hold,
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in the power that they have as as coaches, as
people of authority. But even with that, there's a way
to go about doing it. There's a process and how
in which you go about doing it. And to me,
more often than not, you see guys that don't have
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things work out the way that they would want it
to work out, especially these days, things don't work out
the way that you would want to work out, and
it has to be something else's fault. It has to
be someone else's fault. There has to be a reason
outside of yourself. There's no accountability, No, it's probability.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
We know your accountability. When we look at society and
how we handle a lot of.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Things, we completely remove accountability of the individual. And and
that's my biggest issue. Like any any debate conversation you
want to have about anything right now, for me, it
always starts with Okay, what's my own accountability, you know,
like I'm not going to point the finger at someone
else or anything else if I if I can't be
accountable for my actions, for my thoughts, for what I've said,
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And it starts there and then and then that's the
problem is there's so many people out there that aren't
being taught that, especially young young people, they're not.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Being they're not being taught that, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
For example, again, it's going to be tough if you
want to get where you want to go. Like people
act like college football is easy just because you are
a three star, far star, five, whatever you were.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
It's not easy. It's not and it's just part of
and that's a part of the respect of it.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I was just at our event yesterday, right, I was
at our fundraising event yesterday.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
And when when.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
A former player or current players greet one another, it's
different than when a regular civilian greets greets one of
an athlete greets a player. There is something to be
said about one a me as a former player, knowing
what you're going through as a current player, be what
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you as a current player, know what I went through
as a former player, or both, Right, as a current
player and a current player. We know what we're going through.
As two former players. We know what we went through.
There's something to be said. There's a respect of pride.
My captain spoke before me. Brandon Short spoke to the
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group before I spoke to the group, and the things
that he said about me, they almost bring me to
tears when I hear them. If we don't go through suffering, yes,
people suffering. If we don't go through persevering, perseverance, yes, persevering.
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If you don't go through emotional and mental fatigue, you
never build the bonds that are strong enough to last
a lifetime. And for the people that never push themselves
to that or engage in those type of activities to
experience that, I feel for you because I could never
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imagine not being the person that I've become through the
development and the hard times that I've had to go
through in my life, and those are badges of honor,
and a lot of people just aren't up for that
these days.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Aren't you great? It is what it is, aren't you guys?
Grateful for a little? Because I look back at that
and I go my parents. My parents are really strict
and I had a whole coaches that I thought, Man,
those guys were jerks at the time playing football and
I sucked. So there was a lot to complain about.
But I can't think of one time in which they
really got on me, either coaches or or my parents
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or somebody that loved me. I can't think of one
time that they were wrong about it. I go back
and I go, yeah, they had a point like that
was true. I needed to get better.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
And but Jonas, even if they were wrong, even if
you don't like I have coaches that I don't like.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
I've talked about it on the show.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
But you you can't stand Dale Lindsay, you can't stand
ing Dale, But you know what, Hey, but you know what,
it served a purpose. It served a purpose and and
Dale Lindsey isn't going to dictate my outcomes because it
comes back to what Q said.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
It's the self accountability.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
I am going to hold myself to that standard that
level to still show up and do what I need
to do.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Whatever happened to you need to get better, and I'm
not going to be nice about it. Sometimes I need
to be stern and I need to let you know
that this is how.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
You get better.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Like whatever happened to just hard coaching hard parenting, And
I feel like the abuse term has been stretched way
too thin, like we're now spreading it out over every
single interaction when all it is is trying to teach
and learn. And that's a big difference between that and
flat out abuse. And there's been abuse, and we've seen
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examples of it, and all of that is legit and
all that should be taken seriously, but hard coaching doesn't
always mean that it's abuse.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
That's well, that's part of the issue is that there's
two ways of rules of thought when you're a parent,
when you're a coach, when you're someone who's in charge.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
And that's really what this is like.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
So people understand a lot of coaches feel like they
take over as a father figure in a way when
we're talking about football, because they are they're with these
young men for.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Four nowadays five maybe six years.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I mean, there's literally kids playing six years of college
football more than ever before. But they're they're with them
for a long period of time through a pretty formidable
time of their life where they're going to develop from
a teenager and a young man and go into the
you know, the working world, either as a professional athlete
or not. And a lot of the you know, foundation
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of what they believe and how they conduct themselves and
what they're able to achieve is formed during this.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Period of time.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
And I think a lot of coaches, you know, they
take that and they understand that this is regardless of
what people think because of.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
What coaches get paid.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
All these guys realize the responsibility they have and they
all understand that I have to prepare them for life,
and so I can be hard on them now and
hopefully life will be easier, much like we always talk
about how you won't practice be harder than the actual game.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
That's kind of what it's like in sports, Like sports
are they're a tool, there are a resource to help
you to deal with life because life is harsh man
and there's a lot of people who, you know, they
want sports to be easy and soft and they.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Want it to be comfortable. That's not it.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I mean, LeVar touched on it like there's suffering in life,
Like there's going to be hard times and you've got
to figure out a way to work through adversity instead
of just allowing it to each you up and make
you continue to go down to a downward spire or
a terrible path.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
And so a lot of these, you know, coaches and.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
People who are influences, they're using the game, whatever that
may be, football or whatever else to help prepare you
for that, to prepare you for being a dad one day,
or a husband, or what happens when you get fired.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
From your job. You know, they're preparing you for all
these things.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
How you need to respond to adversity, and it's not
going to be comfortable. They're going to push you past
your limits, or there's gonna be someone there who's gonna
help push you past your limits or challenge you.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
And that's a good thing. But we're not allowing our society,
we're not allowing.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
People to feel uncomfortable or feel like they're being pushed
to your point, Jonas, it's now being categorized, well, that's abuse.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
No, it's not, Jonas.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
You work out all the time, right, yes, and there's
times when you like, you know, if you want to
get stronger, if you want to look a certain way,
you have to push yourself past what you want to do.
There's people who probably already worked out today, are going
to work out. I've worked out yet going to work out.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
There will be times when I want to quit. There
will be times when I'm.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Like, I don't really want to do this, But you
have to push yourself past that mentally or have someone
there who's who's willing to do that and help you
push you past that.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, And number one time have I been done working
out and been like, God, I wish I didn't do that.
You're proud of yourself, like, hey, I accomplish something today.
It's the smallest thing. But then they always talk about it,
like start your day with a victory, don't hit the
snooze button. Let that be the first one, and it
goes into and it just sort of snowballs into the rest.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Of your day.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
And but you can't do that anymore because you got
to let people sleep in, and if you don't let
him sleep in, then it's considered abuse apparently. And you know,
you can't say row the boat and some of the
other acronyms that PJ.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Fleck uses, because you know, you know, one of the
best parts was, uh so, coach Fleck and I were
talking with another another couple of coaches, and He's like,
and then they kind of transition into like a well, hey,
all right, just he said to one of the coaches,
just don't use this against me in recruiting. He's like,
I already heard from one of the coaches like, oh
there's another thing I could.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Use in consumer recruiting.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
That's That's kind of the funny thing now, too, is
like it gets to the point where you're like, yeah,
I mean, these guys, as much as you joke about it,
it's now something that another coach will trying to use
against them in recruiting, just just because front Off is sports.
You know, go ahead and goes ahead and runs with
an article.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
I wouldn't go They row the boat.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
We don't even believe in boats in this program.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
I wouldn't get there. The world's flat.
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Speaker 2 (31:41):
We've got ourselves a Donnybrook potentially on our hands, some fisticuffs,
a good old throwdown in the AFC, because out of nowhere,
Sean Payton, who's the brand new head coach of the
Denver Broncos, he was speaking with Jarrett Bell of USA
today and just decided to give his thoughts on what
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happened last year in Denver and potentially what could happen
this year in New York with the New York Jets.
So here are some of the quotes, some of the
highlights from the interview.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
It doesn't happen often where an NFL team or organization
gets embarrassed, Sean Payton said, and that happened here. Part
of it was their fault relative to spending so much
bleeping time trying to win the off season. The pr
the pomp and circumstance, marching people around and all of
that stuff. We're not doing any of that. The Jets
did that this year. You watch hard knocks, all of it.
(32:36):
I can see it coming. Remember when former Washington owner
Dan Snyder put the Dream Team together. I was at
the Giants in two thousand. I was a young coach.
I thought, how are we going to compete with them?
Dion's there now. That team won eight games or whatever.
So listen, just put the work in. Then, when it
came to specifically what happened to Russell Wilson and the
(32:58):
team last year, on Peyton went on to say, oh man,
there's so much dirt around that. There's twenty dirty hands
for what was allowed tolerated in the freaking training rooms,
the meeting rooms, the offense. I don't know Nathaniel Hackett.
A lot of people had dirt on their hands. It
wasn't just Russell. He didn't just flip. He still has
(33:18):
it this bs that he hit the wall. Shoot, they
couldn't get a play in. They were twenty ninth in
the league in pre snap penalties on both sides of
the ball. And then he went on to talk about Wilson.
That wasn't his fault, that was the parents who allowed
it in letting all his people in the building and
all the other stuff that went along with it. That's
not an incrimination in him, but an incrimination on the
(33:41):
head coach, the GM, the president, and everybody else who
watched it all happen.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Now.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Quarterback having an offense office and a place to watch
film is normal, but all those things get magnified when
you're losing, and all that stuff. I've never heard of it.
We're not doing any of that. Everything I've heard about
last season, We're doing the oppice. They can only beat
the bleep out of you so much. But everybody's got
a little stink on their hands. It's not just Russell Wilson.
(34:07):
It was the poor offensive line. It may have been
one of the worst coaching jobs in NFL history. That's
how bad it was. Sean Payton from the top rope,
out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
I mean, my thirds, Yes, let's just start off with
the obvious.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
There's truth to what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Okay, I mean for all of us who watched it
was an offense that you're going there's no rhythm, no flow.
It didn't seem like they could function. They had a
hard time getting plays in. There was the whole wristband,
remember that whole debacle. Yeah, and everyone made a big
deal about it. I mean, that was part of it.
It highlights so many things. Football is not as easy
(34:53):
and as simple as sometimes we make it out to be.
You know, there's a lot of intricacies to learning a
new offense. You know, tried to be a first time
head coach, putting it all together while also calling plays.
There's so many difficulties to it. But it was a
disaster in Denver last year. It really was compared to
what they had before where you feel like they're on
(35:15):
the break there a quarterback away and then you get
that quarterback. But now you have a first time head coach,
and it seemed like it was all just a disaster.
I mean even the game management with time outs and
so forth, a different situational awareness. And remember they hired
was Jerry Rossberg that they brought in during the season.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
And it's like, well, maybe that was something you wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Have before the seasons figured out, you know, when you're
a head coach. So there's a lot of truth to
what Sean Payton saying. Now he's doing it in a
way though that doesn't completely tarnish the relationship he has
with Russell Wilson. But what it does is it puts
Russell Wilson in a spot where no, no, no, you're the
player you have in.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
This entire staff that's in our facility.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
That's blurring the lines between who the Broncos trainers are,
who the Broncos strength coaches are, who the Broncos quarterback
coach and coaches are. That's not going to happen. This
is this is the Broncos. You're the quarterback of our team.
And you know, as far as the office to watch
film and all that, it's called the quarterback room. I
don't care if if you're a Hall of Famer or not,
(36:20):
Like that's that's where every quarterback goes, and they consider
that their office, their space, especially when you're the starter.
You don't need a separate wing or or portion of
the facility, especially upstairs with the coaches and front office execs.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
And all that.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
So it's it's Sean Payton basically saying like, look, I've
won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
I'm a good coach. I know what I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
None of this stuff that they that they were doing
last year was focused on winning, and we're cutting out
all the crap and we're getting back to trying to
win football games, which is what allows you to be successful,
be a Hall of Fame player, and everything else that
comes along with that, you know.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
For me, I watched the movie that was based off
of Sean Payton getting suspended after bounty Gate took place.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
And you know who's that Sean Payton forget it, mall
cop guy.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
What's his name?
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah, yeah, All Blart, There we go, and and.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Kevin James, There we go.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
I I took away something from that movie. They based
it off of loosely based it off of the true
story of Sean Payton coming back and coaching. And it
was a broken team that his son was playing on.
It was a team that was celebrating if they scored
a touchdown. It was a team that was more, you know,
(37:48):
more more focused in on other things.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
And but they were a team that wanted to win.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
And I looked at the Denver Broncos and I'm like,
you know, that's what the Denver Broncos were last year.
They were a team that wanted to win. But they
were a team that got to a point of where, well,
if there was the proper play call that came in,
that was a win. If Russell Wilson just went and
talked to the offensive coordinator or studied some film on
(38:18):
his surface instead of telling people on the sideline to
holler out, run or pass. You know, things might have
been a little better. And I took away from that
movie that when Sean Payton started helping coach the team,
it was his ability to just like kind of decipher
(38:40):
what was taking place with the other team, what was
taking place with the opportunity, and his connection to the
players and their belief in.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
What it was that was taking place.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
And then boom, all of a sudden, not the next season,
but this season that they were in, those those little
boys started playing some really, really good football.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
I think.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
I think Sean Payton I don't know him very much,
but my interactions with him and my observations of him
and how he handles his players, how he handles his
business as a coach, and how he has communicated I
think is ultimately why he's had so much success as
(39:24):
a coach. And so to me, he is raising a standard,
but he's also letting them know that he believes that
this is a team that can accomplish at a high
level and that they need to believe in that and
not not for one second think that the outside world
(39:46):
blaming them for what it is, like, Okay, be accountable
as offensive lineman, you aren't good, be better this year.
It wasn't all on rush, but he was a little dirty,
you know, it wasn't all on on the Well, he
did kind of put it all on the coaching staff,
But I just I just think that he did kind
of put it all on the coach and staff. But
but to me, I just think that looking at now
(40:09):
where they're at, it's.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
Going to be the team.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
It's going to be the people that believe the most
and what he subscribes to and what he's bringing that's
going to make the difference in terms of if they
have success this year or not.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Now, Robert Sala was told about the comments from Sean Payton,
and Robert Sala had this to say at Jets training
camp about those comments.
Speaker 8 (40:33):
Well, I'm not going to acknowledge Sean on that is
he you know, he's been in the league while he
can say what other hell he wants. But as far
as you know what we have going on here, I
kind of look by saying if you ain't got no haters,
you ain't popping so hate away. Obviously we're doing something
right if you've got to talk about us when we
don't play it till week four, and I'm good with it.
You know, the guys in our locker room, they've earned
everything that's coming to him and really excited about what's
(40:54):
going on. I think Hackett's doing a phenomenal job here him,
the coaching staff is doing a phenomenal job, and we're
focused on us.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
I get it.
Speaker 8 (41:01):
There's a lot of external noise. There's a lot of
people who are hating on us. There's a lot of
people looking for us to fail. There's a lot of
crows peckingett or neck. But all you can do is
spread your wings, keep flying high until those crows fall
off and suffocate from the inability to breathe. It's a
whole nother analogy I'll get into later, but really really
excited about the group we have, the coaching that's going on,
and uh, but I'm going to keep our focus on
us and making sure that we're prepared every single day
(41:22):
to do the best we can and learn from our
past and grow with grow with every every moment that
we have.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
We can't the NFL, just do you fletch a little
bit and put that game week one. All Right, nobody
gives a riff about Broncos Raiders.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
Come on to thank you? And Jonas.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Did did the Jets play in the Super Bowl last Year's.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Tes defending his guy, I'm with Robert Sali. Guy's got
some got a one.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
I was a tabic confused about the way he like
his tone was like, Uh, if you're not pop or
you're no hater.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
You're not popping.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
He stole that from me.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
What did the Jets even play in the playoffs last year?
Speaker 3 (42:05):
But let's add some context to this, because this is
what happens. This is the slippery slope, all right, that
happens in journalism and and and sports radio.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Sean Payton made reference in the interview to the fact
that when a team is in the press a lot,
winning the off.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Season a lot, right.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
And the thing about the Jets that's interesting is like,
I don't think they've necessarily done anything they like they
got chosen by hard Knocks, right. It wasn't like they
chose to be on hard knocks. In fact, like there
was an article about how, hey, hard knocks can be
a little different this year right. I mean they literally
Robert Sola had to wear a T shirt that says,
(42:45):
I heart Hard Knocks because there was this perception that
the Jets were gonna like kind of dumb down or
take away from what was Hard Knocks because they didn't
allow them as much access to players being cut and
some of the other things that have made for good
TV in the past.
Speaker 5 (43:01):
But they didn't choose Hard Knocks. Hard Knocks chose them.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
And so like that's one of those things where I
think they've been more in the public eye for that.
They've obviously been more in the public eye because of
getting Aaron Rodgers. That's arguably one of the biggest offseason
pieces that we've had, maybe the biggest depending on who
you talk to, And that was more born out of,
like they're trying to win a Super Bowl, so a
(43:26):
lot of attention comes along with a figure who's a
future Hall of Famer, a figure who could be considered.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Polarizing to some people.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
And so it's a little odd like and now Dalvin
Cook's they're in New York visiting he could sign with
the team, and he's he's a really good player. You know,
he's a Pro Bowl caliber player, so you know, they're
a lot of things are happening for the Jets, and
I think they're all good things. I don't know that
they're purposefully bringing this all on like they're trying.
Speaker 5 (43:54):
To win the offseason.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
I think it's just a byproduct of like the things
that are kind of happening and what's around them, so
there's naturally gonna be a lot of attention to it.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
So that was one of the things that Sean.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Payton kind of talked about, where I was like, well,
I don't know that they're trying to win the offseason.
Speaker 5 (44:07):
They're just trying to win Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
And so they upgraded a quarterback, They've tried to load
up their roster, which is what any talented players is possible.
Because how is how is it any different from Russell
Wilson joined the Broncos.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
It's really not.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
There's a lot of tension around it now the Broncos
and and maybe Russell Wilson himself personally fed into that, yeah,
but like I don't know that Aaron Rodgers is necessarily
feeding into the stuff. Like, yeah, he's gone to some
different events, right, a Taylor Swift concert or whatever else,
and you're in New York, so you're gonna be publicized.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
But I don't know that the Jets.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Are like outwardly trying to you know, be distracted by
their own you know, media and everything else that's going
on with it. But the last thing I'll say, and
I'll ask you guys, this is, is Nathaniel Hackett and
OC in New York or anywhere else for that matter,
this year if Aaron Rodgers is in the quarterback No,
And that that's I think that's where I think the
(45:02):
tough thing is for them to answer, is them hiring
Nathaniel Hackett. And look, he's qualified to be an OC.
He's you know, he's qualified to be a coach in
the NFL. But off what happened last year and now
he's with the Jets. It had to meet everything to
do with wooing Aaron Rodgers to come to New York,
(45:23):
and that being I mean, he was there a part
of the crew that went out to recruit Aaron.
Speaker 5 (45:28):
Rodgers to want to go to the Jets. He was
on that flight.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Usually it's a head coach, owner, front office, executive, general manager,
for example.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
Not not the OC.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
But he was a part of that group because of
his personal relationship with Aaron Rodgers. So I do think
that's the pink elephant in the room that you have
to acknowledge is Nathaniel Hackett's probably not there as their
a c.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
If Aaron Rodgers isn't there, is the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
And by the way, it wasn't like you know, if
Sean Payton took out just Nathaniel Hackett, he took out
George Peyton, he took out the president. They're still there
from my understanding, they're still in Denver. So he made
sure to criticize them that they also had dirt on
their hands with the way that everything happened last year.
He just maybe he was having a cocktail, you know.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
I don't want to say it, but I feel like
there's some collateral damage there, you know, but still in
the building.
Speaker 5 (46:21):
I do that sometimes.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
I feel bad doing it sometimes, But like and Jonas
probably knows this, He's probably like, yeah, that's that's happened before.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
I mean, look, you got you gotta let people know.
And now we get a Now, how do you think
that if this if there's no back and forth or
no hey, you know, I got out of line there,
Like how do you think that pre your postgame handshake
is going to go in Denver in October for Week five?
Speaker 3 (46:43):
It's gonna be a strong one, dude. I mean, first off,
Saul has been hitting the waves. Yeah, you can tell
he's all yoked up.
Speaker 5 (46:49):
Pete, he's got he's gonna check the rounds. He's been
hitting something else there on social So.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
I'm just telling you right now, that's gonna be one
strong handshake where they're like grab it, embrace each other
and Sauw is gonna whisper something in his ear and
depending on how the outcome of the game goes.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
Uh, it's so good job, Peyton. I know Sucker though,
I'll tell you that he will. He's got he might
be a better trash talker than lung capacity.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah he does.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
Yes, he does.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
I mean, and and he's in the right place for it.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
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