August 1, 2024 • 44 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Brady is back from Paris with tales from the Olympics! Aaron Rodgers addresses is ready to play despite the Jets hesitancy to march him out in the preseason. TheMMQB’s Senior NFL Reporter, Albert Breer talks Camp, Signings, Potential Trades and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a coupled
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Radio Lats Back. How was the trip back from Paris?
How are we feeling?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
It was? It was a long trip.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
It was good though, Feeling good, Feeling good, mission accomplished.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Excited for my wife.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
The US women's gymnastics team.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Obviously they went over there with a mission, got their gold.
Now they're over.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
There individually qualifying for the all around and all the
other events. So pretty surreal moment to be able to
watch that group, a bunch of young women who I've
known a little bit through my wife and see them
accomplish their goal. It's it's it's so unique compared to
other sports only because to me, those moments, like there's
even that much more pressure because you get one shot
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at the Olympics every four years, and what they've been
doing has been a build up over that period of time.
I mean, it's this, it's it's almost the same routine
that they.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Do for four straight years.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Like there's little tweaks and adjustments here and there, but
it's almost the same exact thing. And so it's can
you do it in that moment well enough to be
able to be one of the greatest of all time
in the world. It's pretty cool to be able to
see that entire process, even the arena. The arena was lit,
like Lady Gaga was there. There's all sorts of people.
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Saw Jason Kelsey and his wife kind of mosing around
and all that. It was a lot of influencers too,
you know, a lot of influencers out there.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
It's a big stage. Everybody's got to be a part
of it.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I could barely fit in my seat. I started cramping
up at one point. That may have been, you know,
not due to a couple lead a lap road sodoshy,
it was.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
It was. It was quite the fun witnessing all that.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
It's like because I thought about this, So you spend
four years working for this one moment and if you
like don't have enough shock on your hand, a slip
and it's over right, like you literally by the margin
is so small for air in these moments that you've
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been preparing four years for. And like we know what
NFL training camps are like and all that, just because
of the coverage. But I've always wondered how hard is
the work just leading up to that because some of
the stuff they do have No, I don't even know how,
like how they're able to keep any sort of balance
at all, let alone on you know, sawhorses or whatever
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they're they're climbing up on and the rings and the
floor routine for sure. Yeah, I mean, listen, Yeah, I
just I don't get how they're able to pull that off.
And the fact that they build and build and build
and build, and you're dependent on so much around you,
and the and the margin mary being so small that
your hopes and dreams are just depending on little things
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or else you're just going to have to live with
it for four years or for if it doesn't work
out that way.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
For you, right, I mean that's honestly like I was
watching the travel On at one point and there's you know,
two guys coming down the stretch and they were both
running for third place. And there's the one guy you
could see as he came across the line and it
looked like he did it not as well as he
could have done in that moment. Yet he's not gonna
be on that podium and that might be his only shot,
and so you kind of you can see the disappointment.
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You can see like the tears and the frustration. But
to your point, I mean, I think the other thing
about gymnastics and this is you know, it's not a
topic we talk about a lot on the show, but
the training is is difficult for it because you're constantly
training around not injuring yourself. You know, they have these
foam pits where you literally bound a floor routine or
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a vault or whatever it is into foam pits because
the landings are so tough on your body. So part
of it's just a battle to get there. I mean,
it's probably not a secret anymore. But like Simone was
dealing with the calf injury, she was, you know, dealing
with Sonissa Lee was dealing with.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
That kind of ankle calf injury.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Like I could tell when they warmed up on floor,
I go, no, she's limping a little bit, so you know,
all that stuff, or even like like Sunny when she
was doing the bars and as they would get going,
because that was I believe their first event, she fell,
and just the mental toughness to be able to be like, Okay,
that's not going to happen again. When I do this
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ridiculously difficult routine, and sure enough, when she went out there,
she usually was awesome. It was almost flawless as far
as how she good, she was the last thing. I'll
just stay on the subject because I know there's a
lot of people out there.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Don't want to listen to this.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
All tough balls with Simone Biles is should be considered
one of the greatest.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Athletes of all time.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yes, like what she has done in an eight year
period from the twenty sixteen Olympics to the twenty twenty
four Olympics. Between World Championships and Olympics, she has thirty
eight medals right now. Thirty eight Like that is it's
unheard of, It's it's I mean. And the only reason
I say this is because my wife had the most
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international medals so Olympics and World Championships before Simone came along,
and in literally a four year span, she wiped that out.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
And she is the She is by far and away.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
When you think about the success she's had in the Olympics,
World Championships, she has multiple things. When you watch her
the next couple of days that she performs, she should
be performing today for the all around there's stuff named
after her. That's how difficult it is that no one
else has been able to do it, or no one
else has been able to do it and land it.
So it's pretty incredible to see the success that she
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has had. But also at times I'm like, man, whatever
other female athlete you want to put their accolades up against, like,
she's got it, She's there.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I don't care if it's you know, Serena.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
We talk about her dominance in tennis, Katie Ledecki and
swimming right now, who's been phenomenal Michael Jeordy. I mean,
she is up there amongst the greatest of that a
fleets of all time. And that's how good she is,
and that's how good, you know, the team USA has
been since she's been a part of it. Like she
just could completely change the way a meet goes like that.
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And their margin victor is over five and a half points,
almost six points, and they are the oldest team to
ever do it, and a large part because of her success,
her ability to be able to kind of lead the
team but also be that like kind of figure that
no matter what happened out there, Jordan Chiles fell, she
was fine, like like she's gonna come through and perform.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
And do what she needs to do.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Oldest team, she's twenty seven.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
It's the oldest team on average ever for the United
States women's gymnastics.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
So pretty cool. Cool.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I think I was still a bus boy at that point.
So well, good for her. She's she's the greatest of
all time. By the way, where does your wife keep
the medals?
Speaker 6 (06:48):
Like?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I mean, I think she thought she lost it at
one point, which was interesting. She wasn't overly panicked and
I'm like, it's not like you can get another one.
She's like, no, I know. She's like, it's it's somewhere.
It could be my Boston or something.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You know the guy you described to finished fourth, it's
not going to be on the podium and he's crying.
There's somebody somewhere who she beat out that would have
done anything for just one. And she's got hers, like
and like with the the Lincoln logs that the kids
played with, somewhere lost.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I mean, I'm not even lying on.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
One of our daughters had one of her World medals
as part of her like dress up for whatever she was.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
It was like in a side closet with a bunch
of dresses.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
That they would put on to like go play whatever
princess deal there playing, and she would have it somewhere
stored in one of those jewelry boxes, and everyone thought
it was like fake, Like no, that's the World Championship.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Medal, by the way, you're It's going to be sweet
when calv for like you know, like hey, bring something
from home for kindergarten and he brings like your Johnny
Unitas Golden Arm trophy over into the classroom, like props
it up there.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
That's gonna be sweet.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
So how was the travel back? Any issues or whatever?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
This show's got a bad reputation as far as travel concerned.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
So any problems, any issues whatsoever?
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Any Yeah, I mean just your typical shan against you know.
Obviously the flights are laid for various reasons. We got
a few people who are trying to get a better
seat than they actually had. Like there, it's funny like
when there's language barriers involved, people all of a sudden
get really confused about how to how.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
To find common ground.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Oh yeah, and they're like angling or trying to work
their way into a seat that they did not purchasers
not theirs, but they but they will use the language
barrier to basically say, that's the miscommunication.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I'm supposed to be Oh, yes, no, your ticket says all.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
And by the way, a tip of the cap to
Samuysosa who started that trend back when they were asking
him about peds when he was on the gas he
just said, oh, you know, my English isn't great. Like
hold on a second, like, dude, we've been hearing you
in interviews for years, like you've been over here for
a year, and now all of a sudden, your English
isn't great. He started that trend. That's Sammy Sosa who
did that. You probably didn't even think about that, did
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you see?
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Well I didn't most of as he's had other things
going on in his life and that have been more
preoccupied by so like what's that?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, you know, you know, just rolling around doing a
snow angels and baby powder and just.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Leave it on and just been living an Antarctica.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
A couple of observations though, like the Olympics in France
on TV are very different than that in the US.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Here's an example.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
You only will watch French athletes like they do not
put anything on TV in France. That's not a French
athlete really, yes, So when we're trying to watch stuff,
sometimes you watch a little more obscure sports or sports
that the French excel in. Like I was watching a
lot of fencing, which have a lot more respect for fencing.
Obviously Notre Dame. They've actually had an amazing of fencing team.
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A couple loves one gold medals.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Who buy doesn't know that, by the way, I mean,
come on, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Sure most people probably don't.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
But the point is is like it was actually highly entertaining,
like these people are agile, they're flex I mean they
were doing the splits and like whacking people in the ankles.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
It was crazy.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
But as soon as I got back to the States,
you noticed, like even at the bars, like there's France
versus Germany was excuse me, Spain versus Germany was on
and like some event, and I'm like, that's interesting, Like
we are a culture, we are a country of sports.
In Paris, a lot of the Parisians get the hell
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out of there, like they're not around. It's very it
was very touristy. It was not what you what I've
normally experienced being in Paris, and some of that's the
summertime because they.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
All kind of get out of town and go summer
somewhere else. But some of them was the Olympics.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
They just as much as they do have maybe respect
for it, there's a lot of them who like don't.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Really care and they are out of there. It's completely
different than the culture in the United States.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Well, we're happy to have you back and shout out
to the US men's basketball team, just right being student, right, yeah,
you know.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, now they covered right of that big way. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Plus well, I mean you're talking about South Sudan or
the US because South Sudan definitely covered. Plus twenty eight
and a half was the number for them, and they
were able to keep it within the number.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
So now if always asked you who you had money on.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
In that game, South Sudan, there you go.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
So you won, you actually won one.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, come on, look, come on please all right, yeah,
I mean let's speak like, oh, that's not patriotic. Well,
neither's going broke, okay, Like, so I'm trying to I'm
trying to pay bills here, all right. My kids got
a monster truck fetish I got to look after so
we got to make stuff work here and have I
got to take South Sudan plus twenty eight.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
I'm gonna take it. Sorry, not my problem.
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Speaker 2 (12:23):
So, got some interesting conversations being had here, I mean,
because I just I wanted to be clear here, Brady,
I'm on your side, okay with this whole Olympics debate
between you and Lee. All right, So, so I just
want you to know I'm on your side here. You
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were over there if anybody knows what it's really like.
I'm sick and tired of Lee trying to tell you
your business and what you and your wife went through
over in Paris while he's sitting here and the comfy
Fox Sports Radio Studios brought to you by tire Rat
in Sherman Oaks, California.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
WO fit up with it? Yeah, tired to this crap.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I just know this, Lee.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
We were no shortage of eggs anywhere we went to eat,
or chicken for.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
That matter, at any point in time.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
No, they didn't say an that we're only doing half.
You know, you can only have one egg, No one,
chicken can't have the second.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Every single morning. We had eggs every single morning, chicken
every meal.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Hey can I say something about eggs though? Because I
didn't think it was a thing. There really is a
difference in the taste between like your typical eggs you
get and like the organic pasteurized eggs you can.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah, what's the big difference there?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Well, first of all, the color and the taste of
the yolk significantly better.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Than it's like oranger when it's organic. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I've noticed that. So I noticed that.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I figured I was like, you know, what lee you
strike me as the safe the would eat like out
of the box, you know, like the egg beaters that
would be in there.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Can I shake it up? Throw? It just poured out
in the pan?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, I used to do that. I'm so embarrassed and
I did that. Yeah, I'm I'm ashamed to admit that.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah, the old the old egg whites is that.
Speaker 8 (14:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
I've never even had that. No, I like, I like
my organic eggs.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Oh that's good. Did you used to get it from
the alpaca next door? How would that work?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Did they have eggs legs?
Speaker 8 (14:26):
You know there were there were chickens and ducks and
the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Stealing the eggs before leading leading want to get in
trouble with whatever he was taking open the liquor stores.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
He hide his fireball minis and the egg nest under
the out PACKA.
Speaker 8 (14:45):
In that pig though, bake enough your back.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Hey, by the way, they're bringing that outpaca back, aren't they?
I hope?
Speaker 8 (14:59):
So what uh?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
What time of the year?
Speaker 8 (15:01):
Yeah, yeah, should be coming back soon.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Wait, he's a seasonal OUTPACKA.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
He is a seasonal out package. He comes back pretty
much between October and December.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Where the hell do you live?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Because I feel like you live in an urban area
where they allow you to have an outpack next.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
Door, well next to a pumpkin patch area. They get
the where the Christmas trees are and the pumpkin patch.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
If they want that out packet to blend in here
in LA, just give it a sleeping bag and a
drug problem and uh nobody will notice.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
The Uh the bums do sleep right next to the
olt packet, of course they do.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Dude, it's probably warm, yeah, body heat.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
You know, why wouldn't they makes all the sense in
the world. Also, can I tell you about a really
great moment. Uh, So Lee's you know, just grinding through,
uh you know, been a long week and all that,
and he's having a cup of coffee and I was like,
you know, you get in these sleeves.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I had to take a bunch of phone calls yesterday.
And Lorraine is like, you know, Lee, I really worry
about your health. And she's mid bite in a pint
of ice cream at four in the morning, Like, why
are you eating ice cream?
Speaker 5 (16:07):
I'm not judging that at four in the morning. This
is my middle of the day.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Jonas but it's almost gone. Like how much did that
have you had during the show?
Speaker 9 (16:18):
Like it's lasted about four days? Okay, well we Coop
has had many a spoonful.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
You and Cooper eat that the same ice cream?
Speaker 9 (16:29):
Yeah, what kind of ice cream is it? It's Baskin
Robin's Beach Day ice cream.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
What's in it?
Speaker 9 (16:39):
Do you want to hear? How delicious this is?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Okay?
Speaker 9 (16:41):
Besides the color? Okay, well it's there specialty ice cream
right now. So it's salted vanilla flavored ice cream with
chocolate caramel turtles with frosting flex and also Graham Cracker swirls.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
It's not bad.
Speaker 9 (17:00):
It's the best ice cream ever. I've bought three of
these tubs.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
That's not that's not not bad. I'll solid breakfast. So
there we go.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
That's a quick update here from the studio as we
fight through here, as we are approaching the Hall of
Fame game. Now, obviously the preseason is you know what
are we looking at? About thirteen hours away from kicking off.
Aaron Rodgers apparently there's been a little bit of some
miscommunication between him and Robert Salah about whether or not
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he's going to partake in the preseason. Robert Sala said
his instinct would be that he would not partake, but
you know, maybe it would be the third preseason game
against the Giants coming up in a couple of weeks. Nonetheless,
Rogers was asked about it yesterday.
Speaker 10 (17:47):
That's Robert's decision. I've never told him I don't want
to play in the preseason. There's a lot of thoughts
about whether there's any particular game from it.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, we used to play all the time. Take a question.
Speaker 10 (17:59):
We played ten to fifteen, the first one and a
quarter and a half, in the second one, in the
third quarter and the third one, and then sometimes you know,
Tennessee would always play their guys shoot. Sometimes through the
third quarter we would play and maybe a series or two.
Now nobody wants to play. They don't want to play
their guys. It's different to combat that. Now we've done
all these practices with other teams, so we have three
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of those. I'm assuming those will be like our super
heavy days, and then it'll be like the preseason for us.
If he decides he wants me to play against the Giants,
I'll strap it up and look forward to that.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Is the decision different this time because of the injury.
Speaker 10 (18:35):
No, I don't think so. No, I don't have any restrictions.
I'm doing keepers rollouts. So it was news to me
yesterday when he said I wasn't going to play in
the first two. But we hadn't even had a conversation
yet about that.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
That's uh, that's a good sign.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
So here we go, Like as the world turns every time,
I want to just buy fully into the Jets and
think this is the year. Robert sala is a good coach,
Aaron Rodgers one of the greatest of all times. There's
something that comes out that I go, Okay, now I
got to reevaluate my thought process on the team.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I'll say it before and I'll say it again. None
of this matters. None of this matters until it does,
which is when they go through adversity, they go through
a streak of losses or lose however many games, and
then that's when you rely on whatever foundation of a
culture you've built an organization to see you through it.
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To not listen to the outside noise, to not turn
and point the finger to not you know, basically, try
to attack each other within, but try to work together
to find solutions. This time of year. To me, conflict
is okay. So the fact you've got GEARA. Wilson and
Aaron Rodgers maybe at times on the same page, that's okay.
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This is the time to experiment. It's the time to
have those tough conversations. And I don't care if it's
two days in a row and Gary Wilson's number one
wide receiver and Rodgers you know, wasn't there for Mini camp.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
It doesn't matter. None of that matters right now.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
They just need to be sure they're ready for Week
one and they're on for the rest of the season.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Now.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
The problem is is if things don't go well, as
they don't have the easiest schedule to start off, and
they're going to be in you know, prime time for
all to see, what's six times in the first eight weeks,
ten weeks, whatever it is, there is an element of
question as to how this team will be able to
come around. Like the things we know is it is
a better ross than what it was a year ago.
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Rogers will probably be there healthy at least to start
in the season, and I would be a betting man
to say he gets more than four plays into it
before his season's over. So I think those things are
pretty sure. In regards to what the rest of it
looks like, I have no idea. But the one concerning
thing is the fact that the media has obviously taken
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Aaron Rodgers and every little word he says, every little
thing he does.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
That's just that's how things are gonna be from here
on out.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
So I don't want to make too much of the
fact that, you know, he's talking about being willing to
play in the preseason, he's done in the past, all that,
and then Robert Sawill say no chance, because I can
see both sides of it, like Rogers has to be
chopping at the bit to put himself out.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
There a little bit, oh yes.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
And meanwhile Robert sala is looking as a head coach
saying what's my upside?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Well, what's what's my upside?
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Like for a head coach to put out a future
Hall of Fame quarterback who's coming off an injury at
forty years old in a meaningless I mean, I mean
meaningless game, what's the upside? So with that thinking, now
it's more about Aaron Rodgers getting on the same page
with Robert sala Because even if Rogers wants to sometimes
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you have to protect a player from himself. Sometimes you
have to protect a player in the sense of making
a business.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Decision, and this would be one of those.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
It's just as much as Rogers might want to go
out there and play, it just doesn't make any financial sense,
any sense for this team for this upcoming season.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
That's like, when I hear him say that, it sounds
like somebody who does want to go out and play.
Because if you go back to last preseason, he played
I think ten snaps in their game against the Giants
last year, so he played a couple of series, so
we're talking he's played fourteen snaps total in a year
and a half. And if he doesn't play in the preseason,
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so to open up and just roll him out there
Week one, coming off the injury and the lack of
playing time against the Niners in primetime on Monday night
on the road, like that seems less an ideal. Like
wouldn't you want some sort of like rep or something
in a preseason I know it's risky, but to me,
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I would just feel so much better if I had
the opportunity to at least get out their role around
in somewhat of a simulated game. And if they take
this approach and Robert Salad just says, no, no, no,
We're gonna play it safe. Like that's a long ass
time between the last time he's really played real football
for the New York Jets, and I'm just curious to
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see how his body reacts to that.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
He's played enough, though, I mean, this is kind of
like riding a bike. He's been in the league a
long long time. The game's slowed down for him. There's
gonna be elements of it that I don't think he's
gonna struggle with converting back to the part of the
game that he monts to probably get on the same
pages is the timing and rhythm of an offense that
is with a bunch of players that he didn't.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Get those live reps with.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
And that's the hard thing for Rogers is everyone else
when they play in preseason or in practice, for the
most part, it's much closer to the live game experience
that you get as compared to a quarterback. The quarterback
position is the one position that the entire way the
game is played is changed from practice to a game
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because there's times when guys are all that's a sack,
it's like, well it would have been maybe I spin
out of it, maybe I get away from you, maybe
I get to throw off.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Maybe it's incomplete, maybe it's completion.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
You know that there's all sorts of things that change
when you're subject getting hit and when you're when you're
subject to having to make the decision of can I
extend the play?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Can I not? There's there's pressure on me. How do
I handle that pressure?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
And so because of that, there's gonna be a disconnect
always with quarterbacks wanting to maybe get those live reps
in and experience, because it does feel different, it is
more intense versus another position group. So again I can
I can understand his desire to want to be out
there and probably more so than anything else, just to
get maybe the first hit, you know, take it away
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eliminated from them, because there's an element of that when
you come back from an injury, when the back of
your mind you're wondering, like how how's my body gonna respond,
how's my body gonna hold up? But there's more importantly
an element of timing and rhythm and chemistry where you
can say all you want to be in practice about
what that window looks like and what you're throwing into.
But it's different when you've got to make that throw
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and knowing you're going to get hit, knowing that you've
got to alter your body to get that throw off
because these guys are trying to hit you and they've
got bad intentions. It's not that way in practice, right
We've seen guys get kicked out like Mantes Sweat for
hitting Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Of practice.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
That's entirely different as far as the speed and intensity
the pass.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Rush ats towards the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
So I can understand why he wants to from that standpoint,
because it is different, you know, for you going out though,
when the live bullets are on, even in a preseason
as opposed to practice.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
You mentioned the I guess argument or exchange, heated exchange, confrontation,
whatever people want to call it between him and Garrett
Wilson happened a couple of times over the past few
days there training camp.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Rogers also spoke about that yesterday.
Speaker 10 (25:53):
Gine I got a great relationship. We spend time together
off the field. On the field, there's a way of
doing things that we both agree on, and when it
doesn't look exactly how we wanted to. Sometimes there's some
sad conversations that happened. I love those conversations though, I mean,
it's about the details, it's about winning, it's about seeing
what he sees. You know, he's got to get on
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my page, But I got to get on his page too,
because he's got a whole book that I need to
understand fully of skill set and ability and feel and
rhythm and all the different things that he does out there.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
So those are good conversations.
Speaker 10 (26:28):
They might appear to be much more heated than they are,
but there's usually a smile on our face afterwards, at.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Least one of us.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I love how people will stand on the outside of
the interrogation room glass and not be able to hear anything,
but just go based on body language. That's a bad
sign they had a disagreement. Who cares like they'll work
it out. I mean that's like, what do you want
me to do? Keep quiet and just you know, be
miserable and let it explode at week eight because they
didn't address it at the time.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
What's the problem.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
I don't know how you are with your friend and
family and all that, but sometimes, like the worst fights, arguments,
you get into are the ones that you're closest to, Yes,
because you feel like you can you know, with with
other people you're not as close to or you don't
care as much about.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Oftentimes you let things slide because you're like, well, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Going to see this person again, or I really don't
have to deal with this person or deal with this,
so I don't I don't need to argue, I don't
need to waste my time and energy energy. But when
you've got someone who's on your team and you're both
pulling in the same direction but you're not on the
same page, Yeah, that's that's an emotional deal that oftentimes,
especially when you're physically tired or exhausted and you're in
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training camp, you're going through these hot days and everything
else is going along with it.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Your body doesn't always feel great.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
You know, you're you already have these triggers that are
going to lead to the potential of it looking like, hey,
we're in a disagreement, we're arguing.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Fighting whatever.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
But you make up just as fast too, and honestly,
like sometimes that's the healthiest way for players to get
over stuff. Just get it out, Like whatever you're ticked
off about, say it so we can address it and
move forward. And that's usually how teams and athletes handle stuff,
whether it's on a one on one basis like Rogers
and Ghret Wilson, or even.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
When a coach comes in or a player comes in and.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
He'll talk about it in front of the team and be like,
hey man, this fight broke out. This is why this
wasn't right, Like we all got to get on the
same page. Like you'll have guys who stand up and
sit there and say that, I've got a coach and
player get into a ridiculous fight in a meeting one
time during training camp, and I'll never forget the coach
came back in and said to us, he said, look,
he's like, we're like family in here. You guys all
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know how this works. We spend more time around each
other during the football season than we do our own families.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
And that's the truth.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
You start to know your teammates better than you know
your wife, your kids, girlfriend, whatever, and that's part of
what this is all about. And so you're gonna have fights,
You're gonna have disagreements and arguments, but you also will
probably make up and find common ground much faster.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Too.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
So all this stuff you're hearing right now, it's just
the media trying to write about something. It's just us
trying to talk.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
About on it.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
I don't read into the stuff at all, not at
least until you get into the season and you're able
to see what exactly this looks like moving forward.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And I remember you talking about that when Romeo Cornell
and Phil Dawson went at it like that, him and
Philip like Phil Dawson like pulled his shirt over his
head and was going.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
To lead to lap take a guess it'd be better
because you always go for like the weirdest combination of
what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I don't know. I'm trying to leave more of that.
I'm sure he seems stressed.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Out, like I have it on good authority.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Then you keep trying to keep them away. Let's lea,
let lead blossom into the into the star that he is.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Lee.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
If you had to guess who was the coach and
player for the Browns that got into it, a Donnie Brooke.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
If you will.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
But I never even said it was the Browns. You
just have made that assumption.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Oh wow, okay, all right, well, I mean well then
let's uh let me let me dust this off again.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
All right, let me uh let me work on this.
You got any guesses here?
Speaker 6 (29:56):
Probably be uh man, Genie and who's what kind of
player were we talking about?
Speaker 8 (30:01):
I'm sorry you saying.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Doing a good Shoply? How was delivery Wednesday? Yesterday?
Speaker 8 (30:08):
I only made a stop by, just a quick stop.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Can we can we rehash that and after this next breaking?
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (30:15):
Absolutely, I can tell you.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I'd love to hear what a drive by looks like
for you Wednesday?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
You know, I just uh I do recall though that
was that was something man, you know, with you when
you were in Kansas City, Romeo Cornell just having those
really really hard heart to heart conversations, you know, with
Dexter mccluster. Like to see those two guys go at
it the way they did, was.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
I hope people listening right now, I understand what a
jackass Jonas is. What do you mean, like, sir, a
truth that Romeo wasn't like that?
Speaker 5 (30:45):
So okay, Ryan, suck up.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I mean, look, I didn't want to add him like that,
but apparently that was the problem.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Just got a break.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
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Speaker 2 (31:04):
We turn it over to our guy, Albert Brier, lead
content strategiest seenior NFL reporter at the mm QB, in
the midst of his training camp tour.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
AB Where are we at? How's it going?
Speaker 11 (31:15):
I'm in Green Bay and uh yeah, I got delayed
little coming to Milwaukee last night. And anybody's made that
drive from Milwaukee to Green Bay, they know it's a.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Dark, dark drive.
Speaker 11 (31:26):
But I was able to keep my keep myself awake
and get here last night.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Oh that's good. Nice. Wow, We're glad you made it
in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
You know.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Drive, Yes, survivor, It's gonna be.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
So tough, Albert.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I'm wondering, uh, in the in your training camp tour,
who's been an under the radar star thus far? Like
somebody who stood out to you? Uh that that maybe
people aren't familiar.
Speaker 11 (31:51):
With, like I would have to, Well you think about that.
I think like I'll give you one from yesterday, Adric
Estime with the uh with the Broncos Bradio like that one.
Uh huh Yeah, so I he he didn't run a
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very good forty in the and and and at the combine,
but you know, the the Broncos had some analytics on him.
I didn't know this. He had more fifteen plus runs
than anybody else in the draft. He had more yards
that's just contact than anybody in the drafts. He had
a fewer negative plays than anybody in the draft. And
you know, I I think if you want like a
fantasy alert, right like, the Broncos are gonna lean on
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their run game because of all the moving pieces that
have a quarterback and you know, so they've got you know,
Javonte Williams is coming back healthy and has lost ten towns,
moving around pretty good. But estimate has been the star
camp for them, and so you know, I think you're
going to see a platoon and I think is gonna
have a very real role there in Denver, in Arizona.
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You know, there's gonna be a lot of attention on
Marvin Harrison right rightfully, So the other receiver, Michael Wilson,
you know, I heard him compare data feeling a lot
of guys on that staff have been in Minnesota and
they feel like they've got one you know, and Michael Wilsons,
the second year player, had a promising rookie year, so
that'd be another one. As far as under the radar guys,
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you know in San Francisco, you know, their defensive line
is it looks like it's back where it needs to
be after kind of been up and down last year.
Last year forcing the trade for for Chase Young and
so you know, we know about Nick Bosa and Javon Hargrave.
You know, Malie Collins could wind up being, you know,
I think a Pro Bowl level player for them. He
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comes over to Houston and free it comes over from
Houston and free agency, and they've always done good in
maximizing their d line and so he'd be another one,
you know. And then I'll tell you this, guys, I
think the Rams are going to be really good, you know,
and I think they feel like they really hit with
the two rookies they have on the defensive front, you know,
in Braden Fisk and Jared Verus, and then you know,
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they think they got another one and Blake Quorum to
pair with Kyra and Williams there in the backfield. So
you know, you just watched the Rams and the Rams
look like they're after last year being a reset year
and eating seventy five million dollars in dead cap and
being able to make the playoffs, just fight all that. Like,
the Rams still really feel like they're on the way
back up. And I would not rule out the Rams
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making a big move somewhere between now and the trade deadline.
They've got the capital to do it again. They've got
the cap states to do it again. Like I could
see them getting off to a hot start and then
taking some sort of big swing in September or October.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
What do they need though, I mean, if you look
at team Okay, I was just thinking, like over achieved
last year.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
They seem like they hit on a lot of their picks.
Speaker 11 (34:54):
Yeah, here's a scenario for you, Brady, Like Patrick Sartan, right,
is in the fourth year of his career, and the
Broncs are rebuilding a little bit, and they're in a
contract negotiation and but say, nothing happens between now and
the opener. I think they get something done, but that's
something nothing. Nothing happens between now and the opener, and
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you know, then you get to September and they're in
a really tough division, right, and so like let's say
they start one and four. If if it let's say,
it's gonna be difficult to resign him and the Rams
calling off of you two first round picks for him,
but you take it. You know, I think that's something
to consider, you know, like sure.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
But is that like that big of a need for them?
And I know you're bringing the name they just signed
Tree White, They've got Darius Williams.
Speaker 11 (35:40):
I mean it's a big need for them. Yeah, they've
got They've had a lot of injury position and I
think they've got a lot of complimentary pieces there. But
I don't know they have a real number one.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Like.
Speaker 11 (35:51):
You can't stay healthy hunh.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Well yeah, he can't say based off last year. But
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (35:58):
Yeah, I mean, I just it's it was a place
where they were going to make a move. I'd say
that would be where it would where it would be.
You know, they tried to make the big swing for
Brian Burns a couple of years ago, and you know,
like I could see them adding a piece of the defense,
and I think that would be one way to do it,
would be all right, Like it's sort of like when
they trade for Jalen Ramsey, a few years ago, it's like,
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how can we add like a blue chip player to
our roster at a premium position? That would you know,
be an opportunity to do it? And Sir Chaan is
still really really young.
Speaker 12 (36:30):
Maybe Stephen Jones said that things are cordial and they're
talking and the negotiations with C. D Lamb, Jamar Chase
does not have a deal yet either. Is there a
game of chicking going on here? Is? Because to me,
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I think both of these receivers want more than justin Jefferson.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
That's what I first think.
Speaker 12 (36:56):
Secondly, it's like if there were two receivers that you
can say would actually be that valuable to their team,
it's Jamar Chase and CD Lamb.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
It's a game of chicken? Is one?
Speaker 12 (37:09):
Are they dragging this out to see what one does
the deal so that the other one, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Can come back and do that.
Speaker 12 (37:15):
Because if I'm if I'm a team, I'm trying to
get the deal done as quickly as possible so that
the other one doesn't get it done because the other
one is going to want more than what the other
one got.
Speaker 11 (37:25):
So definitely get Brandon Ayuk in that next too, right,
So I think part of the problem here, LeVar, is
how drastically the market change. Everybody knew Jefferson was going
to get done, and we've talked about how, you know,
the Dolphins of Jalen Battle Leaguers with Kante Smith, the
Texans Ico Collins, and of course Lions with Im and
Ross Saint Brown move fast because they knew the Jefferson
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deal was going to come. So they all get done
right around twenty eight million or a little less, and
Ben Jefferson comes over the top of thirty five. That's
a twenty five percent uptick over where the top of
the market had been. And so, you know, I think
with all of these guys, it's do you top Jefferson?
If you don't top Jefferson, like what how close are
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you to Jefferson? Like where are you at? And that's
thirty five to twenty eight window. That's kind of tough,
you know, And I think that's like, I think the
distance between Jefferson and every everyone else has has really
complicated this where it's harder and harder to find that
sweet spot. Now I can stay with Chase specifically, he
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and Jefferson were talking the whole time, you know, and
Chase like in the Bengals. To tell you this, Chase
had no intention of doing a deal before Jefferson got
done because he was going to try to get more.
And I think Chase is very very much justified now,
like with CD and with Brandon and I. I don't
know they're quite the players that Jefferson are, but try
telling them that, you know what I mean. Like so
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like I think that that's sort of where you're at,
and it's like, where, all right, let's just throw our number.
We're thirty one would have been like an excellent offer
for either of those guys at the beginning of the
off season. How do they look at that now because
that's closer to that twenty eight mark than it is
to thirty five. So you have the market change like
post justin Jefferson deal, I think affect all this. And
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you know, of course Jefferson was affected by Nick Bosa,
but Jefferson's you know, Jefferson's position, and rightfully so was
I'm not competing against the other receivers for contract. I'm
like in the ballpark with every other non quarterback in
the NFL, and he winds up getting a million more
per year than Nick Bosa.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Got.
Speaker 11 (39:33):
You know, I think that's where Michael Parsons is now,
Like what Michael Parsons would want would be a million
more than what Jefferson.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Got, right.
Speaker 11 (39:39):
I think Chase is probably the one of those receivers
that could justify asking for that. I think with that
you can Lamb, it's probably a little bit more. Where
do you fit in in that twenty eight to thirty
five one though?
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, AB,
what's going on with Matthew jude On and how does
that shape up in New England?
Speaker 11 (39:56):
Yeah, it's a bleep show right now.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
You know.
Speaker 11 (40:00):
I think a part of this was how many contracts
the Patriots gave out over the course of the off
season and how they paid a lot of different guys.
And you know, I think for both Matthew Judson and
Devon Godchaw, their defensive tackle who got done yesterday, there
was a couple of them where they sort of look
sideways and like, huh, how come I haven't been taken
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care of yet? And that's the danger and you know,
taking care of a lot of guys all at once,
and you know, doing it like sort of out of order,
you know, as far as who's the best player, who's
the most dependable player, and the one that got you know,
those guys' attention. Judan and got Chaw was with Kristen
Barmore because you know, he got over twenty million per
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Those guys are making a fraction of it. And you know,
I think Judon and Godchaw would argue, we are the
two most dependable, most reliable, the best players on the
defensive front over the last few years. So now we're
making like a percentage of what this other guy is making.
You know, nothing against Christian Barmore, but like that's sort
of the way that I think those guys looked at it. So,
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I Judeon's a tricky one because the market has changed
so drastically at his position, and he's making his contracts
for fourteen million per that's twenty million per short of
what Nick Bosa got. I'm not saying he's Nick Bosa,
but you know he's not like less than half of
Nick Bosa, you know. So they're gonna have to find
a way to work that out. And I would say
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this too, like if I'm a team like the Chicago
Bears right that needs you know, another edge Rusher. I
would I mean maybe the Ravens, you know, it would
be another team. I would be taking up the phone
and calling New England and asking if there's something we
could work out where I go and get him.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
You're in Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Have you had a chance to talk with anybody or
is there just the excitement over Jordan Love? There was
no There was no question whether or not he was
going to get this deal done right.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
They were Oh no, I.
Speaker 11 (41:58):
Mean they even working out the whole offseason. I think
it was just sort of a matter of how the
thing is structured. You know, like we look at the
big number of the average per year, the ap y
there at what like it's just kind of like that's
how we all judge them. But they're they're so different
and how they're structured and how the guarantees set up,
and you know, like Burrow, if you look at it
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had the same number as Trevor Lawrence, but like Lawrence's
structure wasn't nearly what Burrows was, you know what I mean,
the guarantees weren't nearly what Burrows was. So they're all
a little different, you know, I think one thing that's
interesting about where the Packers are now, They've got a
good veteran defense. Dude, just have to coordinator Jeff Haaffleck
coming in. I think the excitement here is almost just
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bigger than Jordan Love. It's like they've got this group
of young players now on offense that has a chance
to grow up together, you know, and kind of reminds
you of when you know, Aaron Rodgers had some of
those guys around him, you know, when he was young,
and how they kind of kept fueling that receiver room
from you at the very beginning, Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings
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to Randall Cobb to DeVante Adams down the line. You
look at what he's got around him. I mean between
D'tavian Wicks and Jaden Reed and you know, and Christian
Watson and Romeo Dobs and Luke Musgrave at tight end,
like got a chance to be a really good offense
over the next few years. And those guys are gonna
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have a chance to grow up together now. So so yeah,
I mean, I think that the excitement in Green Bay
is that after like a few years of being like,
all right, this is the year, this is the year
this is the year they could open a very real,
like five ten year window now where they could win
pretty consistently.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Again, well, enjoy the Hall of Fame game. Enjoy Wisconsin.
Speaker 11 (43:44):
I can't wait. I got fired up to the Hall
of Fame court.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Come on, Tyson bageent meet Head of the Year, getting
the start for the Bears, Come.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
On the title.
Speaker 11 (43:53):
I honestly like, I will not. I don't fall in
that trap anymore. It used to be, I guess I
get really fired up football on TV and then like
after like three minutes, you remember what it is, you know.
So I don't know. I will I will probably be
at dinner during the Hall of Fame game, how about you?
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Wow, gush, unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
I mean, at least have a couple of cocktails, you know,
try and be social, you know.
Speaker 11 (44:18):
Actually know what I Well, no, no, no, I thought.
Speaker 12 (44:20):
No.
Speaker 11 (44:20):
I won't be in the air. I actually will be
landed in Detroit for the Yeah, so I will be
on the ground for the Hall of Fame game, So
maybe I will catch it.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
We'll see, Okay, all right, well there he is, get
him on that date.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter, Lead Content Strategies, at the
m MPB. Thanks AV, we appreciate it.
Speaker 11 (44:37):
Thanks guys,
This is the best of two pros and a coupled
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Radio Lats Back. How was the trip back from Paris?
How are we feeling?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
It was? It was a long trip.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
It was good though, Feeling good, Feeling good, mission accomplished.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Excited for my wife.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
The US women's gymnastics team.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Obviously they went over there with a mission, got their gold.
Now they're over.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
There individually qualifying for the all around and all the
other events. So pretty surreal moment to be able to
watch that group, a bunch of young women who I've
known a little bit through my wife and see them
accomplish their goal. It's it's it's so unique compared to
other sports only because to me, those moments, like there's
even that much more pressure because you get one shot
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at the Olympics every four years, and what they've been
doing has been a build up over that period of time.
I mean, it's this, it's it's almost the same routine
that they.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Do for four straight years.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Like there's little tweaks and adjustments here and there, but
it's almost the same exact thing. And so it's can
you do it in that moment well enough to be
able to be one of the greatest of all time
in the world. It's pretty cool to be able to
see that entire process, even the arena. The arena was lit,
like Lady Gaga was there. There's all sorts of people.
(01:32):
Saw Jason Kelsey and his wife kind of mosing around
and all that. It was a lot of influencers too,
you know, a lot of influencers out there.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
It's a big stage. Everybody's got to be a part
of it.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I could barely fit in my seat. I started cramping
up at one point. That may have been, you know,
not due to a couple lead a lap road sodoshy,
it was.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
It was. It was quite the fun witnessing all that.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
It's like because I thought about this, So you spend
four years working for this one moment and if you
like don't have enough shock on your hand, a slip
and it's over right, like you literally by the margin
is so small for air in these moments that you've
(02:14):
been preparing four years for. And like we know what
NFL training camps are like and all that, just because
of the coverage. But I've always wondered how hard is
the work just leading up to that because some of
the stuff they do have No, I don't even know how,
like how they're able to keep any sort of balance
at all, let alone on you know, sawhorses or whatever
(02:35):
they're they're climbing up on and the rings and the
floor routine for sure. Yeah, I mean, listen, Yeah, I
just I don't get how they're able to pull that off.
And the fact that they build and build and build
and build, and you're dependent on so much around you,
and the and the margin mary being so small that
your hopes and dreams are just depending on little things
(02:57):
or else you're just going to have to live with
it for four years or for if it doesn't work
out that way.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
For you, right, I mean that's honestly like I was
watching the travel On at one point and there's you know,
two guys coming down the stretch and they were both
running for third place. And there's the one guy you
could see as he came across the line and it
looked like he did it not as well as he
could have done in that moment. Yet he's not gonna
be on that podium and that might be his only shot,
and so you kind of you can see the disappointment.
(03:23):
You can see like the tears and the frustration. But
to your point, I mean, I think the other thing
about gymnastics and this is you know, it's not a
topic we talk about a lot on the show, but
the training is is difficult for it because you're constantly
training around not injuring yourself. You know, they have these
foam pits where you literally bound a floor routine or
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a vault or whatever it is into foam pits because
the landings are so tough on your body. So part
of it's just a battle to get there. I mean,
it's probably not a secret anymore. But like Simone was
dealing with the calf injury, she was, you know, dealing
with Sonissa Lee was dealing with.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
That kind of ankle calf injury.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Like I could tell when they warmed up on floor,
I go, no, she's limping a little bit, so you know,
all that stuff, or even like like Sunny when she
was doing the bars and as they would get going,
because that was I believe their first event, she fell,
and just the mental toughness to be able to be like, Okay,
that's not going to happen again. When I do this
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ridiculously difficult routine, and sure enough, when she went out there,
she usually was awesome. It was almost flawless as far
as how she good, she was the last thing. I'll
just stay on the subject because I know there's a
lot of people out there.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Don't want to listen to this.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
All tough balls with Simone Biles is should be considered
one of the greatest.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Athletes of all time.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yes, like what she has done in an eight year
period from the twenty sixteen Olympics to the twenty twenty
four Olympics. Between World Championships and Olympics, she has thirty
eight medals right now. Thirty eight Like that is it's
unheard of, It's it's I mean. And the only reason
I say this is because my wife had the most
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international medals so Olympics and World Championships before Simone came along,
and in literally a four year span, she wiped that out.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
And she is the She is by far and away.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
When you think about the success she's had in the Olympics,
World Championships, she has multiple things. When you watch her
the next couple of days that she performs, she should
be performing today for the all around there's stuff named
after her. That's how difficult it is that no one
else has been able to do it, or no one
else has been able to do it and land it.
So it's pretty incredible to see the success that she
(05:37):
has had. But also at times I'm like, man, whatever
other female athlete you want to put their accolades up against, like,
she's got it, She's there.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I don't care if it's you know, Serena.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
We talk about her dominance in tennis, Katie Ledecki and
swimming right now, who's been phenomenal Michael Jeordy. I mean,
she is up there amongst the greatest of that a
fleets of all time. And that's how good she is,
and that's how good, you know, the team USA has
been since she's been a part of it. Like she
just could completely change the way a meet goes like that.
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And their margin victor is over five and a half points,
almost six points, and they are the oldest team to
ever do it, and a large part because of her success,
her ability to be able to kind of lead the
team but also be that like kind of figure that
no matter what happened out there, Jordan Chiles fell, she
was fine, like like she's gonna come through and perform.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
And do what she needs to do.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Oldest team, she's twenty seven.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
It's the oldest team on average ever for the United
States women's gymnastics.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
So pretty cool. Cool.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I think I was still a bus boy at that point.
So well, good for her. She's she's the greatest of
all time. By the way, where does your wife keep
the medals?
Speaker 6 (06:48):
Like?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I mean, I think she thought she lost it at
one point, which was interesting. She wasn't overly panicked and
I'm like, it's not like you can get another one.
She's like, no, I know. She's like, it's it's somewhere.
It could be my Boston or something.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You know the guy you described to finished fourth, it's
not going to be on the podium and he's crying.
There's somebody somewhere who she beat out that would have
done anything for just one. And she's got hers, like
and like with the the Lincoln logs that the kids
played with, somewhere lost.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I mean, I'm not even lying on.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
One of our daughters had one of her World medals
as part of her like dress up for whatever she was.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
It was like in a side closet with a bunch
of dresses.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
That they would put on to like go play whatever
princess deal there playing, and she would have it somewhere
stored in one of those jewelry boxes, and everyone thought
it was like fake, Like no, that's the World Championship.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Medal, by the way, you're It's going to be sweet
when calv for like you know, like hey, bring something
from home for kindergarten and he brings like your Johnny
Unitas Golden Arm trophy over into the classroom, like props
it up there.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
That's gonna be sweet.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
So how was the travel back? Any issues or whatever?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
This show's got a bad reputation as far as travel concerned.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
So any problems, any issues whatsoever?
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Any Yeah, I mean just your typical shan against you know.
Obviously the flights are laid for various reasons. We got
a few people who are trying to get a better
seat than they actually had. Like there, it's funny like
when there's language barriers involved, people all of a sudden
get really confused about how to how.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
To find common ground.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Oh yeah, and they're like angling or trying to work
their way into a seat that they did not purchasers
not theirs, but they but they will use the language
barrier to basically say, that's the miscommunication.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I'm supposed to be Oh, yes, no, your ticket says all.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
And by the way, a tip of the cap to
Samuysosa who started that trend back when they were asking
him about peds when he was on the gas he
just said, oh, you know, my English isn't great. Like
hold on a second, like, dude, we've been hearing you
in interviews for years, like you've been over here for
a year, and now all of a sudden, your English
isn't great. He started that trend. That's Sammy Sosa who
did that. You probably didn't even think about that, did
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you see?
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Well I didn't most of as he's had other things
going on in his life and that have been more
preoccupied by so like what's that?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, you know, you know, just rolling around doing a
snow angels and baby powder and just.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Leave it on and just been living an Antarctica.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
A couple of observations though, like the Olympics in France
on TV are very different than that in the US.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Here's an example.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
You only will watch French athletes like they do not
put anything on TV in France. That's not a French
athlete really, yes, So when we're trying to watch stuff,
sometimes you watch a little more obscure sports or sports
that the French excel in. Like I was watching a
lot of fencing, which have a lot more respect for fencing.
Obviously Notre Dame. They've actually had an amazing of fencing team.
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A couple loves one gold medals.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Who buy doesn't know that, by the way, I mean,
come on, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Sure most people probably don't.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
But the point is is like it was actually highly entertaining,
like these people are agile, they're flex I mean they
were doing the splits and like whacking people in the ankles.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
It was crazy.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
But as soon as I got back to the States,
you noticed, like even at the bars, like there's France
versus Germany was excuse me, Spain versus Germany was on
and like some event, and I'm like, that's interesting, Like
we are a culture, we are a country of sports.
In Paris, a lot of the Parisians get the hell
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out of there, like they're not around. It's very it
was very touristy. It was not what you what I've
normally experienced being in Paris, and some of that's the
summertime because they.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
All kind of get out of town and go summer
somewhere else. But some of them was the Olympics.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
They just as much as they do have maybe respect
for it, there's a lot of them who like don't.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Really care and they are out of there. It's completely
different than the culture in the United States.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Well, we're happy to have you back and shout out
to the US men's basketball team, just right being student, right, yeah,
you know.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, now they covered right of that big way. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Plus well, I mean you're talking about South Sudan or
the US because South Sudan definitely covered. Plus twenty eight
and a half was the number for them, and they
were able to keep it within the number.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
So now if always asked you who you had money on.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
In that game, South Sudan, there you go.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
So you won, you actually won one.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, come on, look, come on please all right, yeah,
I mean let's speak like, oh, that's not patriotic. Well,
neither's going broke, okay, Like, so I'm trying to I'm
trying to pay bills here, all right. My kids got
a monster truck fetish I got to look after so
we got to make stuff work here and have I
got to take South Sudan plus twenty eight.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
I'm gonna take it. Sorry, not my problem.
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Speaker 3 (12:14):
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Speaker 2 (12:23):
So, got some interesting conversations being had here, I mean,
because I just I wanted to be clear here, Brady,
I'm on your side, okay with this whole Olympics debate
between you and Lee. All right, So, so I just
want you to know I'm on your side here. You
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were over there if anybody knows what it's really like.
I'm sick and tired of Lee trying to tell you
your business and what you and your wife went through
over in Paris while he's sitting here and the comfy
Fox Sports Radio Studios brought to you by tire Rat
in Sherman Oaks, California.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
WO fit up with it? Yeah, tired to this crap.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I just know this, Lee.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
We were no shortage of eggs anywhere we went to eat,
or chicken for.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
That matter, at any point in time.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
No, they didn't say an that we're only doing half.
You know, you can only have one egg, No one,
chicken can't have the second.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Every single morning. We had eggs every single morning, chicken
every meal.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Hey can I say something about eggs though? Because I
didn't think it was a thing. There really is a
difference in the taste between like your typical eggs you
get and like the organic pasteurized eggs you can.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah, what's the big difference there?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Well, first of all, the color and the taste of
the yolk significantly better.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Than it's like oranger when it's organic. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I've noticed that. So I noticed that.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I figured I was like, you know, what lee you
strike me as the safe the would eat like out
of the box, you know, like the egg beaters that
would be in there.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Can I shake it up? Throw? It just poured out
in the pan?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, I used to do that. I'm so embarrassed and
I did that. Yeah, I'm I'm ashamed to admit that.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah, the old the old egg whites is that.
Speaker 8 (14:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
I've never even had that. No, I like, I like
my organic eggs.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Oh that's good. Did you used to get it from
the alpaca next door? How would that work?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Did they have eggs legs?
Speaker 8 (14:26):
You know there were there were chickens and ducks and
the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Stealing the eggs before leading leading want to get in
trouble with whatever he was taking open the liquor stores.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
He hide his fireball minis and the egg nest under
the out PACKA.
Speaker 8 (14:45):
In that pig though, bake enough your back.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Hey, by the way, they're bringing that outpaca back, aren't they?
I hope?
Speaker 8 (14:59):
So what uh?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
What time of the year?
Speaker 8 (15:01):
Yeah, yeah, should be coming back soon.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Wait, he's a seasonal OUTPACKA.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
He is a seasonal out package. He comes back pretty
much between October and December.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Where the hell do you live?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Because I feel like you live in an urban area
where they allow you to have an outpack next.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
Door, well next to a pumpkin patch area. They get
the where the Christmas trees are and the pumpkin patch.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
If they want that out packet to blend in here
in LA, just give it a sleeping bag and a
drug problem and uh nobody will notice.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
The Uh the bums do sleep right next to the
olt packet, of course they do.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Dude, it's probably warm, yeah, body heat.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
You know, why wouldn't they makes all the sense in
the world. Also, can I tell you about a really
great moment. Uh, So Lee's you know, just grinding through,
uh you know, been a long week and all that,
and he's having a cup of coffee and I was like,
you know, you get in these sleeves.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I had to take a bunch of phone calls yesterday.
And Lorraine is like, you know, Lee, I really worry
about your health. And she's mid bite in a pint
of ice cream at four in the morning, Like, why
are you eating ice cream?
Speaker 5 (16:07):
I'm not judging that at four in the morning. This
is my middle of the day.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Jonas but it's almost gone. Like how much did that
have you had during the show?
Speaker 9 (16:18):
Like it's lasted about four days? Okay, well we Coop
has had many a spoonful.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
You and Cooper eat that the same ice cream?
Speaker 9 (16:29):
Yeah, what kind of ice cream is it? It's Baskin
Robin's Beach Day ice cream.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
What's in it?
Speaker 9 (16:39):
Do you want to hear? How delicious this is?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Okay?
Speaker 9 (16:41):
Besides the color? Okay, well it's there specialty ice cream
right now. So it's salted vanilla flavored ice cream with
chocolate caramel turtles with frosting flex and also Graham Cracker swirls.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
It's not bad.
Speaker 9 (17:00):
It's the best ice cream ever. I've bought three of
these tubs.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
That's not that's not not bad. I'll solid breakfast. So
there we go.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
That's a quick update here from the studio as we
fight through here, as we are approaching the Hall of
Fame game. Now, obviously the preseason is you know what
are we looking at? About thirteen hours away from kicking off.
Aaron Rodgers apparently there's been a little bit of some
miscommunication between him and Robert Salah about whether or not
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he's going to partake in the preseason. Robert Sala said
his instinct would be that he would not partake, but
you know, maybe it would be the third preseason game
against the Giants coming up in a couple of weeks. Nonetheless,
Rogers was asked about it yesterday.
Speaker 10 (17:47):
That's Robert's decision. I've never told him I don't want
to play in the preseason. There's a lot of thoughts
about whether there's any particular game from it.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, we used to play all the time. Take a question.
Speaker 10 (17:59):
We played ten to fifteen, the first one and a
quarter and a half, in the second one, in the
third quarter and the third one, and then sometimes you know,
Tennessee would always play their guys shoot. Sometimes through the
third quarter we would play and maybe a series or two.
Now nobody wants to play. They don't want to play
their guys. It's different to combat that. Now we've done
all these practices with other teams, so we have three
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of those. I'm assuming those will be like our super
heavy days, and then it'll be like the preseason for us.
If he decides he wants me to play against the Giants,
I'll strap it up and look forward to that.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Is the decision different this time because of the injury.
Speaker 10 (18:35):
No, I don't think so. No, I don't have any restrictions.
I'm doing keepers rollouts. So it was news to me
yesterday when he said I wasn't going to play in
the first two. But we hadn't even had a conversation
yet about that.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
That's uh, that's a good sign.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
So here we go, Like as the world turns every time,
I want to just buy fully into the Jets and
think this is the year. Robert sala is a good coach,
Aaron Rodgers one of the greatest of all times. There's
something that comes out that I go, Okay, now I
got to reevaluate my thought process on the team.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I'll say it before and I'll say it again. None
of this matters. None of this matters until it does,
which is when they go through adversity, they go through
a streak of losses or lose however many games, and
then that's when you rely on whatever foundation of a
culture you've built an organization to see you through it.
(19:36):
To not listen to the outside noise, to not turn
and point the finger to not you know, basically, try
to attack each other within, but try to work together
to find solutions. This time of year. To me, conflict
is okay. So the fact you've got GEARA. Wilson and
Aaron Rodgers maybe at times on the same page, that's okay.
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This is the time to experiment. It's the time to
have those tough conversations. And I don't care if it's
two days in a row and Gary Wilson's number one
wide receiver and Rodgers you know, wasn't there for Mini camp.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
It doesn't matter. None of that matters right now.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
They just need to be sure they're ready for Week
one and they're on for the rest of the season.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Now.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
The problem is is if things don't go well, as
they don't have the easiest schedule to start off, and
they're going to be in you know, prime time for
all to see, what's six times in the first eight weeks,
ten weeks, whatever it is, there is an element of
question as to how this team will be able to
come around. Like the things we know is it is
a better ross than what it was a year ago.
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Rogers will probably be there healthy at least to start
in the season, and I would be a betting man
to say he gets more than four plays into it
before his season's over. So I think those things are
pretty sure. In regards to what the rest of it
looks like, I have no idea. But the one concerning
thing is the fact that the media has obviously taken
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Aaron Rodgers and every little word he says, every little
thing he does.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
That's just that's how things are gonna be from here
on out.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
So I don't want to make too much of the
fact that, you know, he's talking about being willing to
play in the preseason, he's done in the past, all that,
and then Robert Sawill say no chance, because I can
see both sides of it, like Rogers has to be
chopping at the bit to put himself out.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
There a little bit, oh yes.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
And meanwhile Robert sala is looking as a head coach
saying what's my upside?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Well, what's what's my upside?
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Like for a head coach to put out a future
Hall of Fame quarterback who's coming off an injury at
forty years old in a meaningless I mean, I mean
meaningless game, what's the upside? So with that thinking, now
it's more about Aaron Rodgers getting on the same page
with Robert sala Because even if Rogers wants to sometimes
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you have to protect a player from himself. Sometimes you
have to protect a player in the sense of making
a business.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Decision, and this would be one of those.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
It's just as much as Rogers might want to go
out there and play, it just doesn't make any financial sense,
any sense for this team for this upcoming season.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
That's like, when I hear him say that, it sounds
like somebody who does want to go out and play.
Because if you go back to last preseason, he played
I think ten snaps in their game against the Giants
last year, so he played a couple of series, so
we're talking he's played fourteen snaps total in a year
and a half. And if he doesn't play in the preseason,
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so to open up and just roll him out there
Week one, coming off the injury and the lack of
playing time against the Niners in primetime on Monday night
on the road, like that seems less an ideal. Like
wouldn't you want some sort of like rep or something
in a preseason I know it's risky, but to me,
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I would just feel so much better if I had
the opportunity to at least get out their role around
in somewhat of a simulated game. And if they take
this approach and Robert Salad just says, no, no, no,
We're gonna play it safe. Like that's a long ass
time between the last time he's really played real football
for the New York Jets, and I'm just curious to
(23:18):
see how his body reacts to that.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
He's played enough, though, I mean, this is kind of
like riding a bike. He's been in the league a
long long time. The game's slowed down for him. There's
gonna be elements of it that I don't think he's
gonna struggle with converting back to the part of the
game that he monts to probably get on the same
pages is the timing and rhythm of an offense that
is with a bunch of players that he didn't.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Get those live reps with.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
And that's the hard thing for Rogers is everyone else
when they play in preseason or in practice, for the
most part, it's much closer to the live game experience
that you get as compared to a quarterback. The quarterback
position is the one position that the entire way the
game is played is changed from practice to a game
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because there's times when guys are all that's a sack,
it's like, well it would have been maybe I spin
out of it, maybe I get away from you, maybe
I get to throw off.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Maybe it's incomplete, maybe it's completion.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
You know that there's all sorts of things that change
when you're subject getting hit and when you're when you're
subject to having to make the decision of can I
extend the play?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Can I not? There's there's pressure on me. How do
I handle that pressure?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
And so because of that, there's gonna be a disconnect
always with quarterbacks wanting to maybe get those live reps
in and experience, because it does feel different, it is
more intense versus another position group. So again I can
I can understand his desire to want to be out
there and probably more so than anything else, just to
get maybe the first hit, you know, take it away
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eliminated from them, because there's an element of that when
you come back from an injury, when the back of
your mind you're wondering, like how how's my body gonna respond,
how's my body gonna hold up? But there's more importantly
an element of timing and rhythm and chemistry where you
can say all you want to be in practice about
what that window looks like and what you're throwing into.
But it's different when you've got to make that throw
(25:10):
and knowing you're going to get hit, knowing that you've
got to alter your body to get that throw off
because these guys are trying to hit you and they've
got bad intentions. It's not that way in practice, right
We've seen guys get kicked out like Mantes Sweat for
hitting Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Of practice.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
That's entirely different as far as the speed and intensity
the pass.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Rush ats towards the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
So I can understand why he wants to from that standpoint,
because it is different, you know, for you going out though,
when the live bullets are on, even in a preseason
as opposed to practice.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
You mentioned the I guess argument or exchange, heated exchange, confrontation,
whatever people want to call it between him and Garrett
Wilson happened a couple of times over the past few
days there training camp.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Rogers also spoke about that yesterday.
Speaker 10 (25:53):
Gine I got a great relationship. We spend time together
off the field. On the field, there's a way of
doing things that we both agree on, and when it
doesn't look exactly how we wanted to. Sometimes there's some
sad conversations that happened. I love those conversations though, I mean,
it's about the details, it's about winning, it's about seeing
what he sees. You know, he's got to get on
(26:15):
my page, But I got to get on his page too,
because he's got a whole book that I need to
understand fully of skill set and ability and feel and
rhythm and all the different things that he does out there.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
So those are good conversations.
Speaker 10 (26:28):
They might appear to be much more heated than they are,
but there's usually a smile on our face afterwards, at.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Least one of us.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I love how people will stand on the outside of
the interrogation room glass and not be able to hear anything,
but just go based on body language. That's a bad
sign they had a disagreement. Who cares like they'll work
it out. I mean that's like, what do you want
me to do? Keep quiet and just you know, be
miserable and let it explode at week eight because they
didn't address it at the time.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
What's the problem.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
I don't know how you are with your friend and
family and all that, but sometimes, like the worst fights, arguments,
you get into are the ones that you're closest to, Yes,
because you feel like you can you know, with with
other people you're not as close to or you don't
care as much about.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Oftentimes you let things slide because you're like, well, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Going to see this person again, or I really don't
have to deal with this person or deal with this,
so I don't I don't need to argue, I don't
need to waste my time and energy energy. But when
you've got someone who's on your team and you're both
pulling in the same direction but you're not on the
same page, Yeah, that's that's an emotional deal that oftentimes,
especially when you're physically tired or exhausted and you're in
(27:34):
training camp, you're going through these hot days and everything
else is going along with it.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Your body doesn't always feel great.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
You know, you're you already have these triggers that are
going to lead to the potential of it looking like, hey,
we're in a disagreement, we're arguing.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Fighting whatever.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
But you make up just as fast too, and honestly,
like sometimes that's the healthiest way for players to get
over stuff. Just get it out, Like whatever you're ticked
off about, say it so we can address it and
move forward. And that's usually how teams and athletes handle stuff,
whether it's on a one on one basis like Rogers
and Ghret Wilson, or even.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
When a coach comes in or a player comes in and.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
He'll talk about it in front of the team and be like,
hey man, this fight broke out. This is why this
wasn't right, Like we all got to get on the
same page. Like you'll have guys who stand up and
sit there and say that, I've got a coach and
player get into a ridiculous fight in a meeting one
time during training camp, and I'll never forget the coach
came back in and said to us, he said, look,
he's like, we're like family in here. You guys all
(28:32):
know how this works. We spend more time around each
other during the football season than we do our own families.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
And that's the truth.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
You start to know your teammates better than you know
your wife, your kids, girlfriend, whatever, and that's part of
what this is all about. And so you're gonna have fights,
You're gonna have disagreements and arguments, but you also will
probably make up and find common ground much faster.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Too.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
So all this stuff you're hearing right now, it's just
the media trying to write about something. It's just us
trying to talk.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
About on it.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
I don't read into the stuff at all, not at
least until you get into the season and you're able
to see what exactly this looks like moving forward.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And I remember you talking about that when Romeo Cornell
and Phil Dawson went at it like that, him and
Philip like Phil Dawson like pulled his shirt over his
head and was going.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
To lead to lap take a guess it'd be better
because you always go for like the weirdest combination of
what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I don't know. I'm trying to leave more of that.
I'm sure he seems stressed.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Out, like I have it on good authority.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Then you keep trying to keep them away. Let's lea,
let lead blossom into the into the star that he is.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Lee.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
If you had to guess who was the coach and
player for the Browns that got into it, a Donnie Brooke.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
If you will.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
But I never even said it was the Browns. You
just have made that assumption.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Oh wow, okay, all right, well, I mean well then
let's uh let me let me dust this off again.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
All right, let me uh let me work on this.
You got any guesses here?
Speaker 6 (29:56):
Probably be uh man, Genie and who's what kind of
player were we talking about?
Speaker 8 (30:01):
I'm sorry you saying.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Doing a good Shoply? How was delivery Wednesday? Yesterday?
Speaker 8 (30:08):
I only made a stop by, just a quick stop.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Can we can we rehash that and after this next breaking?
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (30:15):
Absolutely, I can tell you.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I'd love to hear what a drive by looks like
for you Wednesday?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
You know, I just uh I do recall though that
was that was something man, you know, with you when
you were in Kansas City, Romeo Cornell just having those
really really hard heart to heart conversations, you know, with
Dexter mccluster. Like to see those two guys go at
it the way they did, was.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
I hope people listening right now, I understand what a
jackass Jonas is. What do you mean, like, sir, a
truth that Romeo wasn't like that?
Speaker 5 (30:45):
So okay, Ryan, suck up.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I mean, look, I didn't want to add him like that,
but apparently that was the problem.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Just got a break.
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Speaker 2 (31:04):
We turn it over to our guy, Albert Brier, lead
content strategiest seenior NFL reporter at the mm QB, in
the midst of his training camp tour.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
AB Where are we at? How's it going?
Speaker 11 (31:15):
I'm in Green Bay and uh yeah, I got delayed
little coming to Milwaukee last night. And anybody's made that
drive from Milwaukee to Green Bay, they know it's a.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Dark, dark drive.
Speaker 11 (31:26):
But I was able to keep my keep myself awake
and get here last night.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Oh that's good. Nice. Wow, We're glad you made it
in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
You know.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Drive, Yes, survivor, It's gonna be.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
So tough, Albert.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I'm wondering, uh, in the in your training camp tour,
who's been an under the radar star thus far? Like
somebody who stood out to you? Uh that that maybe
people aren't familiar.
Speaker 11 (31:51):
With, like I would have to, Well you think about that.
I think like I'll give you one from yesterday, Adric
Estime with the uh with the Broncos Bradio like that one.
Uh huh Yeah, so I he he didn't run a
(32:12):
very good forty in the and and and at the combine,
but you know, the the Broncos had some analytics on him.
I didn't know this. He had more fifteen plus runs
than anybody else in the draft. He had more yards
that's just contact than anybody in the drafts. He had
a fewer negative plays than anybody in the draft. And
you know, I I think if you want like a
fantasy alert, right like, the Broncos are gonna lean on
(32:35):
their run game because of all the moving pieces that
have a quarterback and you know, so they've got you know,
Javonte Williams is coming back healthy and has lost ten towns,
moving around pretty good. But estimate has been the star
camp for them, and so you know, I think you're
going to see a platoon and I think is gonna
have a very real role there in Denver, in Arizona.
(32:58):
You know, there's gonna be a lot of attention on
Marvin Harrison right rightfully, So the other receiver, Michael Wilson,
you know, I heard him compare data feeling a lot
of guys on that staff have been in Minnesota and
they feel like they've got one you know, and Michael Wilsons,
the second year player, had a promising rookie year, so
that'd be another one. As far as under the radar guys,
(33:23):
you know in San Francisco, you know, their defensive line
is it looks like it's back where it needs to
be after kind of been up and down last year.
Last year forcing the trade for for Chase Young and
so you know, we know about Nick Bosa and Javon Hargrave.
You know, Malie Collins could wind up being, you know,
I think a Pro Bowl level player for them. He
(33:46):
comes over to Houston and free it comes over from
Houston and free agency, and they've always done good in
maximizing their d line and so he'd be another one,
you know. And then I'll tell you this, guys, I
think the Rams are going to be really good, you know,
and I think they feel like they really hit with
the two rookies they have on the defensive front, you know,
in Braden Fisk and Jared Verus, and then you know,
(34:08):
they think they got another one and Blake Quorum to
pair with Kyra and Williams there in the backfield. So
you know, you just watched the Rams and the Rams
look like they're after last year being a reset year
and eating seventy five million dollars in dead cap and
being able to make the playoffs, just fight all that. Like,
the Rams still really feel like they're on the way
back up. And I would not rule out the Rams
(34:30):
making a big move somewhere between now and the trade deadline.
They've got the capital to do it again. They've got
the cap states to do it again. Like I could
see them getting off to a hot start and then
taking some sort of big swing in September or October.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
What do they need though, I mean, if you look
at team Okay, I was just thinking, like over achieved
last year.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
They seem like they hit on a lot of their picks.
Speaker 11 (34:54):
Yeah, here's a scenario for you, Brady, Like Patrick Sartan, right,
is in the fourth year of his career, and the
Broncs are rebuilding a little bit, and they're in a
contract negotiation and but say, nothing happens between now and
the opener. I think they get something done, but that's
something nothing. Nothing happens between now and the opener, and
(35:15):
you know, then you get to September and they're in
a really tough division, right, and so like let's say
they start one and four. If if it let's say,
it's gonna be difficult to resign him and the Rams
calling off of you two first round picks for him,
but you take it. You know, I think that's something
to consider, you know, like sure.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
But is that like that big of a need for them?
And I know you're bringing the name they just signed
Tree White, They've got Darius Williams.
Speaker 11 (35:40):
I mean it's a big need for them. Yeah, they've
got They've had a lot of injury position and I
think they've got a lot of complimentary pieces there. But
I don't know they have a real number one.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Like.
Speaker 11 (35:51):
You can't stay healthy hunh.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Well yeah, he can't say based off last year. But
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (35:58):
Yeah, I mean, I just it's it was a place
where they were going to make a move. I'd say
that would be where it would where it would be.
You know, they tried to make the big swing for
Brian Burns a couple of years ago, and you know,
like I could see them adding a piece of the defense,
and I think that would be one way to do it,
would be all right, Like it's sort of like when
they trade for Jalen Ramsey, a few years ago, it's like,
(36:20):
how can we add like a blue chip player to
our roster at a premium position? That would you know,
be an opportunity to do it? And Sir Chaan is
still really really young.
Speaker 12 (36:30):
Maybe Stephen Jones said that things are cordial and they're
talking and the negotiations with C. D Lamb, Jamar Chase
does not have a deal yet either. Is there a
game of chicking going on here? Is? Because to me,
(36:51):
I think both of these receivers want more than justin Jefferson.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
That's what I first think.
Speaker 12 (36:56):
Secondly, it's like if there were two receivers that you
can say would actually be that valuable to their team,
it's Jamar Chase and CD Lamb.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
It's a game of chicken? Is one?
Speaker 12 (37:09):
Are they dragging this out to see what one does
the deal so that the other one, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Can come back and do that.
Speaker 12 (37:15):
Because if I'm if I'm a team, I'm trying to
get the deal done as quickly as possible so that
the other one doesn't get it done because the other
one is going to want more than what the other
one got.
Speaker 11 (37:25):
So definitely get Brandon Ayuk in that next too, right,
So I think part of the problem here, LeVar, is
how drastically the market change. Everybody knew Jefferson was going
to get done, and we've talked about how, you know,
the Dolphins of Jalen Battle Leaguers with Kante Smith, the
Texans Ico Collins, and of course Lions with Im and
Ross Saint Brown move fast because they knew the Jefferson
(37:46):
deal was going to come. So they all get done
right around twenty eight million or a little less, and
Ben Jefferson comes over the top of thirty five. That's
a twenty five percent uptick over where the top of
the market had been. And so, you know, I think
with all of these guys, it's do you top Jefferson?
If you don't top Jefferson, like what how close are
(38:07):
you to Jefferson? Like where are you at? And that's
thirty five to twenty eight window. That's kind of tough,
you know, And I think that's like, I think the
distance between Jefferson and every everyone else has has really
complicated this where it's harder and harder to find that
sweet spot. Now I can stay with Chase specifically, he
(38:30):
and Jefferson were talking the whole time, you know, and
Chase like in the Bengals. To tell you this, Chase
had no intention of doing a deal before Jefferson got
done because he was going to try to get more.
And I think Chase is very very much justified now,
like with CD and with Brandon and I. I don't
know they're quite the players that Jefferson are, but try
telling them that, you know what I mean. Like so
(38:51):
like I think that that's sort of where you're at,
and it's like, where, all right, let's just throw our number.
We're thirty one would have been like an excellent offer
for either of those guys at the beginning of the
off season. How do they look at that now because
that's closer to that twenty eight mark than it is
to thirty five. So you have the market change like
post justin Jefferson deal, I think affect all this. And
(39:13):
you know, of course Jefferson was affected by Nick Bosa,
but Jefferson's you know, Jefferson's position, and rightfully so was
I'm not competing against the other receivers for contract. I'm
like in the ballpark with every other non quarterback in
the NFL, and he winds up getting a million more
per year than Nick Bosa.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Got.
Speaker 11 (39:33):
You know, I think that's where Michael Parsons is now,
Like what Michael Parsons would want would be a million
more than what Jefferson.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Got, right.
Speaker 11 (39:39):
I think Chase is probably the one of those receivers
that could justify asking for that. I think with that
you can Lamb, it's probably a little bit more. Where
do you fit in in that twenty eight to thirty
five one though?
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, AB,
what's going on with Matthew jude On and how does
that shape up in New England?
Speaker 11 (39:56):
Yeah, it's a bleep show right now.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
You know.
Speaker 11 (40:00):
I think a part of this was how many contracts
the Patriots gave out over the course of the off
season and how they paid a lot of different guys.
And you know, I think for both Matthew Judson and
Devon Godchaw, their defensive tackle who got done yesterday, there
was a couple of them where they sort of look
sideways and like, huh, how come I haven't been taken
(40:22):
care of yet? And that's the danger and you know,
taking care of a lot of guys all at once,
and you know, doing it like sort of out of order,
you know, as far as who's the best player, who's
the most dependable player, and the one that got you know,
those guys' attention. Judan and got Chaw was with Kristen
Barmore because you know, he got over twenty million per
(40:42):
Those guys are making a fraction of it. And you know,
I think Judon and Godchaw would argue, we are the
two most dependable, most reliable, the best players on the
defensive front over the last few years. So now we're
making like a percentage of what this other guy is making.
You know, nothing against Christian Barmore, but like that's sort
of the way that I think those guys looked at it. So,
(41:05):
I Judeon's a tricky one because the market has changed
so drastically at his position, and he's making his contracts
for fourteen million per that's twenty million per short of
what Nick Bosa got. I'm not saying he's Nick Bosa,
but you know he's not like less than half of
Nick Bosa, you know. So they're gonna have to find
a way to work that out. And I would say
(41:27):
this too, like if I'm a team like the Chicago
Bears right that needs you know, another edge Rusher. I
would I mean maybe the Ravens, you know, it would
be another team. I would be taking up the phone
and calling New England and asking if there's something we
could work out where I go and get him.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
You're in Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Have you had a chance to talk with anybody or
is there just the excitement over Jordan Love? There was
no There was no question whether or not he was
going to get this deal done right.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
They were Oh no, I.
Speaker 11 (41:58):
Mean they even working out the whole offseason. I think
it was just sort of a matter of how the
thing is structured. You know, like we look at the
big number of the average per year, the ap y
there at what like it's just kind of like that's
how we all judge them. But they're they're so different
and how they're structured and how the guarantees set up,
and you know, like Burrow, if you look at it
(42:20):
had the same number as Trevor Lawrence, but like Lawrence's
structure wasn't nearly what Burrows was, you know what I mean,
the guarantees weren't nearly what Burrows was. So they're all
a little different, you know, I think one thing that's
interesting about where the Packers are now, They've got a
good veteran defense. Dude, just have to coordinator Jeff Haaffleck
coming in. I think the excitement here is almost just
(42:42):
bigger than Jordan Love. It's like they've got this group
of young players now on offense that has a chance
to grow up together, you know, and kind of reminds
you of when you know, Aaron Rodgers had some of
those guys around him, you know, when he was young,
and how they kind of kept fueling that receiver room
from you at the very beginning, Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings
(43:02):
to Randall Cobb to DeVante Adams down the line. You
look at what he's got around him. I mean between
D'tavian Wicks and Jaden Reed and you know, and Christian
Watson and Romeo Dobs and Luke Musgrave at tight end,
like got a chance to be a really good offense
over the next few years. And those guys are gonna
(43:23):
have a chance to grow up together now. So so yeah,
I mean, I think that the excitement in Green Bay
is that after like a few years of being like,
all right, this is the year, this is the year
this is the year they could open a very real,
like five ten year window now where they could win
pretty consistently.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Again, well, enjoy the Hall of Fame game. Enjoy Wisconsin.
Speaker 11 (43:44):
I can't wait. I got fired up to the Hall
of Fame court.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Come on, Tyson bageent meet Head of the Year, getting
the start for the Bears, Come.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
On the title.
Speaker 11 (43:53):
I honestly like, I will not. I don't fall in
that trap anymore. It used to be, I guess I
get really fired up football on TV and then like
after like three minutes, you remember what it is, you know.
So I don't know. I will I will probably be
at dinner during the Hall of Fame game, how about you?
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Wow, gush, unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
I mean, at least have a couple of cocktails, you know,
try and be social, you know.
Speaker 11 (44:18):
Actually know what I Well, no, no, no, I thought.
Speaker 12 (44:20):
No.
Speaker 11 (44:20):
I won't be in the air. I actually will be
landed in Detroit for the Yeah, so I will be
on the ground for the Hall of Fame game, So
maybe I will catch it.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
We'll see, Okay, all right, well there he is, get
him on that date.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter, Lead Content Strategies, at the
m MPB. Thanks AV, we appreciate it.
Speaker 11 (44:37):
Thanks guys,
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