August 2, 2024 • 47 mins
It’s a Football Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, and football is back with a weather delay and new kickoff rules. Another rule change stifles growth in the NFL. The Pro Bowl returns to Orlando.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Arrington, Rady Win and Jonas Knots on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Well, that was a football game last night, you know it? Uh,
for as long as it lasted. Now, I was thinking
about who I wanted to bury. Do I want to
bury the state of Ohio for having weather so bad
that they ended a football game? Or just bury the
NFL for getting rid of a game in the third
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quarter because of inclement weather?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Like which way to Who wants to get it? All right?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Who deserves the blame for that game not being completed
last night? Jesus, Okay, that's fair. I don't feel like
blaming him.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
So oh.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
That game was something. The kickoff. I'll say this about
the kickoff. It's gonna take some getting used to. It
was definitely an interesting weird look.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
But it's just weird, man.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
There's like a lack of movement, you know, like I
don't know how to describe it, but watching it, I'm like,
I feel like there's been more people moving the balls
kick no one's doing anything. It's like it's okay, now
we can go. It feels more like I don't like it.
Either doesn't look right it.
Speaker 6 (01:23):
Listen, it's starting to feel like I'm turning into this
cynical type of person that has all of these hit
and agendas as it applies to our great game of football.
But because I seemingly am pretty much falling on the
wrong side of opinions about.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
About our game.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
Because I love our game, I think the decision makers
that we have are are for the most part, are
some fine, fine people. But I just think that the
more that is being done that I'm seeing is just
continuing to look more gimmicky and less like the NFL.
(02:06):
And listen, I get it, the safety aspect is going
to continue to be a major conversation piece surrounding football.
But to me, at some point, at some point, does
it get to be too much where the essence of
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what made the sport the sport is diminished and possibly lost?
And that's what I continue to ask myself. But I
also on the flip side of it, I asked myself,
am I a Neanderthal? Am I wrong for fulfilling that
way about changes in the game that are going to
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make it safer for the people who are playing in it?
So I don't know, but I just think first first, blush,
I didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
If it's going to result in more returns, I'm in
because look, Devin Hester goes into the Hall of Fame
if not for the kickoff return the special teams, He's
not a Hall of Famer. Like, if it means more returns,
I'm in. But I think this is why Rich Pasaccia,
the Packers special teams coach, came out and said a
few days back, there's gonna be some amendments to this,
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like that they're going to get a glimpse of it
during the course of the preseason, and he expects that
there's going to be some minor changes taking place. So
but I'm with you, guys, it's just odd to see
nobody move and then you get the ball and then
everybody's just trying to kind of figure it out. And
I wonder, at what point does the NFL go, all right,
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we've tried this, what else can we try to save
the kickoff but also save some of these guys as
beans so they're not getting lit up on kickoffs, And
I don't know what are their options they've had. I
think Brady, you had the one to or what they
kick off from the twenty. Just let just let them
rocket it from the twenty and then go from there
like whatever it's supposed to kick off.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
The problem with that is is the way the kickoff was,
there as still too many at least this is what
the NFL says.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
There's still too many concussions.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
So that's why we're doing it the way we're doing
it is all those guys who are lined up five
yards apart now no longer get concussions, which you know, again,
it's it's kind of tough to really know the truth
of all of it, only because the NFL has their agenda,
they kind of use the data the way they want
to use the data. There's it's the same argument that's
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used with the field turf versus grass.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I mean, I think most.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
People who are athletes who play on grass and field
turf understand the difference between the two.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Grass is safer, it always has been, always will be.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
It's just more expensive for owners to be able to upkeep.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
And the problem is owners will try to make whatever.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Excuse they can to use field turf because it allows
them to spend less money on the field and do
more in regards to concerts everything else. That involves there's
the stadium that they own or are a leasing for
their team. That's really what that's about. So it's just
the whole thing is to me hard to really dive
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into and go all right, like, is this really an issue?
You know, to your point about Devin Hester the kickoff,
that was the old kickoff?
Speaker 4 (05:35):
You know.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Part of the reason why we watched what Devin Hester
did and was like that's Hall of Fame worthy is
because of how unique it was, but also how difficult
it was too.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
I don't know the more I watched this, like is.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
This going to be that difficult if you have somebody
who runs it back a billion times for touchdowns and
we look at them and say, oh, they can't kick
into that guy, But it's like, well, well, yeah, we
changed the rule to make it, I guess easier for
him not only to bring it out, but maybe even
easier for them to be successful. Like, I know it's
early on, but there's just so many things I've looked
at with and I'm like, I'm glad.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
The kickoff is still a part of it. It just looks
so weird.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
I mean, it's it's almost like a bunch of kids
that recess playing like free Stagg and you're going, all right, kids,
like you could go play all right, you go, yeah,
get on out there, go do something.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
I don't want to be that close to you on kickoffs.
I'm sorry, like I want to look down there. And
we were talking about it. I'm here at Penn State, right,
so we were talking. Yeah, So we were talking about it. Yeah,
So we were talking about it. And and now you know,
I was kind of interested that. You know, a lot
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of guys were like when you have and it was
a former player, it was like, you know, when you
have guys running down the field at the size they're
running at and at the speed that they're running at,
I mean, people are getting hurt and then a lot
of times you don't even realize that the people who
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are inflicting the pain are going to get hurt as
well in the long haul.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
So and I'll started I was listening to him.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
I was like, man, I was the guy that was
running down there and that was hitting guys like I
feel like outside of my back, but maybe my back
is maybe that's the collateral damage from what I was
doing on kickoffs versus just playing the game.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
But I find it interesting that you have some portions
of guys that have played the game that think that
it's a great idea to take the impact of what
happens on the kickoffs, minimize it, and take it out
of the game.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I just wonder this, are concussions ever going to be
out of the game?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Okay, No? So then at what point is it?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Okay, I mean, is what it is? It's like a
chef's going to burn his hand from time to time.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
But they're not doing it to take concussions fully out
of the game. They're doing it to minimize the amount
of opportunities that concussions can take place.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
So I get it.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Are we sure we know enough about concussions to be
able to conclusively say this is going to be what's
going to save everybody?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Like?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Are are we sure?
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Like?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I don't don't.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
I don't think it's about having all of the information.
I think it's about again having the information that you
have and applying sensible solutions to minimize Like if there
is a play where a two hundred and fifty two
hundred and forty pounds plus man that can run for
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four four three forties a man man and they're going
to hit you full speed. I think I don't think
it takes too much studies and scientific evidence to know
that if you minimize or close down the gap between
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you know, them making contact with one another, there's not
there's not going to be that type of collision that
could possibly lead to a concussion.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, it's just for you. Well no, but I'm happy
it's I'm listen, I'm gonna let it, you know kind
of play out. Because I also thought it was dumb
to move the extra point back, and I was wrong,
Like it completely changed the play and it was I
just thought, like we're really going to take time to
to move this back, like we're really going to do this,
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and then next thing, you know, it's become like a
really important play where people have, you know, real issues
with it from time to time and have meltdowns.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
So it's really not good to be on your side
of any of these arguments we have to look back on.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well no, but I think that's a credit to me,
Like it's really a celebration of me, which is the
most important thing that I'm willing to accept that, you
know what, my initial thought was not the right thought.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I gave it time, and then.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Slowly embraced it and realized I was on the wrong
side of things again just celebrating me.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Are you talking about your marriage? I mean, what are
we talking about here? Did this get personal?
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Are you okay?
Speaker 5 (10:19):
By the way we are we a little bit more
concerned about your your meathead backup yesterday because.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
You were also pretty damn wrong on that one.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I mean, are you Are you trying to tell me
that Brett Rippin out played Tyson Bagent by a wide
margin last night?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Yeah? I mean it appeared that way just in the
short stable size I saw.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Also, I was did did Tory Taylor attempt a punt
at all? I don't think he did, so they really
sat all the starters? Yeah, yeah, that's unfortunate, Like we
were really hoping to see him go out there and
bomb a couple he did hold uh you know the
kickoff at one point.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
He did because the weather.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
I know we're up against the on break, But just
going back to the whole starters, not the starter is
not playing deal. I mean, isn't that kind of arrogant?
Isn't it a pretty arrogant thing to say we're gonna
do one of the most you know, I guess impactful
nights of the football season by starting kicking it off,
(11:19):
by enshrining or introducing the new Hall of Famers. And
maybe I'm maybe I'm like, you know, kind of embellishing
a little bit here or whatever it may be. But
if I have Hall of Famers and one of them
at least is a former member of the team that's playing,
(11:43):
wouldn't you want to play your starters at least one series,
at least put them out there. It's on national television,
it's your first representation of the season, it's your first
impression of the season.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
You're rolling out new rules, you're doing new things.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
You had the number one draft pick of the draft
in the game. You're showing him at nauseum leading up
to the game, and you don't play the Troy in fact,
you don't play any of them.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Troy Aikman said, you know, yeah, he's all listen. I
understand that. You know, we've got an extra preseason game,
so there's more opportunities. But I would have liked to
have seen Kayleb Williams play.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
I mean, I think that was a tremendous miss. That's
just me. I think it was a tremendous miss. That's
that's all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Just from the moment standpoint, all the just this like
how special the situation the occasion was like, yeah, you
had Andre Johnson, you had three former Bears that were
being enshrined, and they rolled out Brett Rippon in company.
No disrespect to Brett Rippon. He might have won the
number two job, but yeah it's not. Yeah, you know, listen,
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and then they cut the game short. It's like you're like,
all right, we're done.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
We're done here. It's only pre season, Like, all right,
we're done here.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
Did we get all of the advertising dollars that would
did we did we fill the requirements the deliverables that
the check done?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Okay? Shut it down? Yeah, shut it down.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I mean was the weather that bad? Was there? I
know the rain was bad?
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Like how bad was the There was a there was
a story that came through last night that was pretty significant.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Yeah, a lot of lightning a lot of lightning.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
There was rain hare so I guess yeah, yeah, I
was sleep Maybe that's why I slept so well.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I slept really well last night.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
When when it rains, Oh yeah, does it ever? Does
it make you want to go to the bathroom or
hearing the water run.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Not when I'm sleeping. What are you talking about.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I'm just saying, like some people.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
Will sometimes sometimes out here water or like somebody will
start drinking or something like that makes me have to
go to wrestler.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I have no idea why. So I know what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
But when I'm sleeping, like or when I'm laying down,
I've even put like ocean sounds and rainforest sounds on
to fall sleep at times because I suffer from like
insomnia sometimes.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Yeah, so there you go.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
I kind of blame Jonas for that. By the way,
why what var is suffering from insomnia?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Which which part of that?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I kind of him up a little bit. You get
them all fired up sometimes during.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
The day or night, like LeVar sometimes will come in
and he goes from day man to night man. Well,
and then he'll and then he'll tell me. He'll tell
me like, uh, man, you got to help me out today.
I really need to get that work. And I'm like, okay,
So then I'll put them up on game and get
him wrapped up and.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Ready to go.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I think only Lee understands the reference.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
I just made it by the way, I heard you, Yeah,
but you don't watch It's always sunny in Philadelphia, No,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Lia' is a connoisseur a different thing. By the way,
an it's not really a big pool though. I didn't
just get I wouldn't give all of that to leave.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Did it?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Rain?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
LeVar Islands?
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Last night down on me? Uh.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
I went to Primanny's and I had for four four
long LeVar Islands and I had two shots of tequila.
Oh yeah, so I had a good and then I
had some patron later on. That's kind of a center day, right,
I mean, that wasn't bad. That was Would you say
(15:36):
that's like a standard night for you? If I go out, Yeah,
I might drink more than that. I can put them down, man,
and sometimes i'd be double fisted. But she made those
those LeVar Islands to take you into the water. She
wasn't trying to keep you on lane. She was trying
to take you out to deep end. So I only
(15:58):
got to three four of them. You know it was
they were pretty pretty strong.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
That's another level. Man.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
If I had four LeVar Islands and two tequila shots
on pants, I try and I would try and sell
my wife and son on eBay, like like I would
lose my mind.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
Somebody was saying, like three shots of tequila in ten minutes.
The person was like slammed, hammered, like out of it,
like stumbling around. I was like, I know I'm not
an alcoholic. I don't drink enough to be an alcoholic,
but god dang, I'm not an alcoholic. Just because I
had one, maybe two drinks. What now that makes me
(16:37):
an alcoholic?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Now?
Speaker 6 (16:42):
They said that this guy was knocked out of there
with three shots of tequila in ten minutes. I was like, man,
that's ten minutes, like we might run through No, we
go through a whole bottle in ten minutes. Yeah, I
don't know, you know, I guess it's different tolerances for
different people. I told you I got that Scandinavian blood.
(17:03):
And yeah, the more I drink, the more I laugh.
And it's like, you know, I get that lab. We're
sitting at the bar and it's like.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
More l.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
It's like more l like the hound off Game of Thrones. Yeah, man, yeah,
I get.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Well bar least I do know this tequila.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
LeVar Islands State College, Paris, France, can't Ohio, wherever you
are on this show?
Speaker 4 (17:35):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
It's a football Friday?
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm gonna get it in tonight. I'm gonna
get it. I'm gonna get it in.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I'm going to get it in.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
What's gonna happen? I don't know what's gonna happen? What happened?
Don't get it? We need to make can't hope? That
is like?
Speaker 6 (18:13):
Man, Yeah, come on, let's do day Man around sad nights?
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Man, leave leave this? You really stepping up.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
To your friendship for everyone?
Speaker 4 (18:33):
What what? Yes?
Speaker 7 (18:39):
Lee?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
You could have had any better time? Hey man? What
happens this? Man? What's going on? Hey Man? Play the
real song? Played a real song. This is perfect. Thank
you so much, Lee. There we go, There we go.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Friday night is a football Friday? Waitay yeah, oh Friday?
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Throw it.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
It is a Friday fall Friday. Apologize for that detour?
Whatever the hell.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Tell you? Man?
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Speaker 4 (19:55):
I think you like it.
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Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah, Lee, why were you looking that up? And what
does my job search anything and everything that involves sports. Yeah,
if it involved if it goes that way, that's my job.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Okay, Yeah, that's my job.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
That's my job.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
That's my job. That's my job.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
So we are we are.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
What about Lee picking up on the day man, night Man?
That was awesome. Did not think you'd be able to
do that?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Locked and loaded, He's ready to go in any what
is it always Sonny in Pittsburgh or whatever it's called,
something like that. Yeah, So apparently the NFL's you know,
making changes yet again. There's a play which Brady can
break down much much more than I can or anybody
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else listening, called cheat motion.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Which is it like a is that on that search too?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
It may as well be is it like the CFL
play where.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
You get the running start or is it a little okay,
So that's now not allowed.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
So LaVar will remember this too.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Like they'd be like in a stacked or some sort
of condensed alignment, and then they'd motion the player out,
not like in towards the formation or across, but out
very fast. Sometimes they do it across formations too, but
it was really just to give the wide receiver a
running start and they they'd kind of roll into their
route from there.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
That's essentially what.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
It is, and so that's not not allowed.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
They're putting it in the rules to limit how that's
going to work. So like the effectiveness almost of the
motion because it's basically standing, it can't be abrupt, which
that's kind of the whole point is you're hoping to
catch the defense where they can't expand or move before
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the snap of the football and deal with.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
That sort of motion.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
But really it opens up not only that particular player,
but it also opens up really the defense and adjusting,
especially like a zone coverage that window you know, you
motion about why the defense adjusts they wide.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Now it creates a bigger space there in the.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Zone coverage for the guy who's going to be coming
to like vacate that spot. So that's that's in essence
what they're trying to do. I don't know why they're
trying to outlad or take it away. I mean it
was first really showcased with Tyreek Hill in Miami. San
Francisco utilized it, the Rams utilized it. The common denominator
there is obviously the Shanahan Tree, but outside of that,
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it wasn't that widely used, even though it is a
copycat league. So it's just weird, like the battles that
the NFL is like, oh, that needs to get out
of here, it's like why it actually was really innovative,
It worked extremely well. This is a league that is
always dying for more offensive football. I have no idea
why the trying to get rid of this.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Mean, it's a shame that, you know, the offense can't
catch a break from time to.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Time in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
You know, That's what I've been saying.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Everything towards the defense.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Now, those shifts, those those quick shifts are as I
recall just generally to try to confuse the defense and
what the coverage is. It could be used to give
the quarterback recognition of what the coverage is.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Is it difficult as a defender to deal with?
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Well, I mean, it just it depends, right, It depends,
because it could be you know, it's all about who's
going to outflank, you know, the the other the other side. Right,
can the defense stay you know with containment of an offense,
does the offense gain an advantage on getting containment or
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gaining the edges or whatever it may be, or it's
it just depends. It depends on what style of a
defense that you're in and and and what you know,
how you play it. You know, when you have certain
certain when you have certain types of defensive schemes, it
can ultimately it can give an offense access to wider plays.
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When you do those quick shifts, you might you're obviously
going to lose a defender because that defender has to
go out. Now you would say, well, that defender would
be out there if you had aligned and had already
been out there anyway. But but just say for the
sake of saying, depending on which you know, which person
shifts out would would possibly dictate what what defender shifts out,
(24:44):
especially if it's a man coverage.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
So I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
I mean, I don't feel like I mean, I guess
at times depending on how quickly.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Like New England, New England did it.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Quite a bit, if I recall correctly, they they did
those quick quick shifts.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
I believe. So it's not a shift, it's a motion motion.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Motion, yeah, yeah, shift motion. I mean, yeah, yeah, I believe.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
So that's well. The reason why I bring that up
is because they actually specifically outlined in the new rule
the way they're wording.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
It that if they move from off the line of
scrimmage off the ball, uh and they change, you know,
that the kind of stands, they then have to come
to a complete stop if they're if they're utilizing this
sort of motion. So there is there's a distinct difference
between it being a shift in emotion.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
A shift in motion. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
Yeah, Like I said, I think again, if it's if
it's like a movement, deal.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Is it?
Speaker 6 (25:46):
I mean, do you think it may be because they
can run and crack somebody, or or it could be
an end up being a concussion that takes place if
they if they're moving like like I guess, I guess
if I'm interpreting it, they off of how you're saying it.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Is it a motion for like a kickout?
Speaker 6 (26:03):
Is it a motion for like a wham, you know,
like like one of those Uh yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
It's it's not.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
I mean, it's primarily just been motion in order to
be able to create space or get that player with
a running start.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
You know, that's the least what I've I've seen from it.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
So I don't I mean, it's it's odd to me
that again they're really focusing on this specific rule and
trying to get rid of it.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Isn't Sean McVeigh on the Competition Committee?
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I believe so, I mean, you know, so that can
only go so far.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Though, haven't you So?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Then is it just they get in a room, they
start throwing out some ideas what needs.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
To change, This needs to change, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Never mind the fumble out of the back of the
end zone resulting in a touchback and loss of possession. No,
we need to focus on you know, motion and this
CFL play that's now going to be outlawed just kind
of I mean, like, how do they determine what's a problem.
What's not the tush push that's okay, this one's got
to go though.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Again, it's usually about players safety when there's change, and
when there's not, there's an agenda, there's something else going on.
Maybe they feel like it's unfair, but in my opinion, look,
all eleven players.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
On defense can move before the snap of the football.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
There's only one player at least in the NFL rules,
that's able to move and stay moving like that.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Not a shift, but like motion. Only one can move
at a time.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
So there's still, at least in that sense, an advantage
for the defense. And I don't know why you want
to limit creativity of offenses being able to come up
with different ways of trying to create more offense. I mean, again,
this has been a league that's continually adapted rules and
changed things for defensive players to make it easier on
offensive players.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
So why change that? Why stop that now?
Speaker 5 (27:51):
It's not like this rule change helps offensive players anyway,
or offensive coordinators for that matter.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I mean, I thought that Levar's leap against Illinois, he
should have been ejected from the game and minimum two
game suspension.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
I was on defense.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
I understand, but that's allowed on defense.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
And this is you can move however whatever whileever to ever,
as long as it's not across the ball.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I mean, here we go. I just I think it's
a hostile act.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
I can be moving snapped.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Okay, So why can't Why can't people Why can't people
on offense? I think it's unfair, wrong side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Sorry to be honest with you, With the way you
handle that, I thought it was disrespectful to everybody involved,
disrespectful of the game, and also kind of rubbing in
the offense's face that you can do things that they can't.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah, messed up, man, Thank you. I mean, I don't
know why. I don't know why you were proud of that.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
And here we are, all these years later, Sean McVay
is trying to get some guys, you know, Tyreek Hills,
trying to get some work, and they can't do that.
But everybody on defense is allowed to do whatever the
hell they want. Yeah, kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
Also, I was just talking about movement. We could do
what we want to do movement wise, you know, which
is interesting because you can try to use movement to
disguise blitzes, coverages, you know, gap responsibilities, you can you
can try to confuse the offense that way, but the
offense can't do that to you.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
It's interesting. That is interesting.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Now I will say that that in a weird type
of way, you make a valid point, Jonas, you aren't
trying to you you aren't intending to. But nonetheless, it
is interesting that we can as defenders, like I could
run over to the sideline if I wanted to. Now
offense can motion over to the sideline or you know,
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they can walk over to the sideline. You know, like
the quarterback could act like they're walking off the field
and that's like considered a motion. But there's rules to
what they're doing, like he can't be going forward when
the ball all this snapped stuff like that. Like us,
we can be doing whatever we want to do.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Who who is it? Was it Johnny Manzel who pretended
like he was running to the sideline and then took
off on a route almost positive was with the Browns.
Like Johnny Manzel acted like he was going off on
the sidelines and then.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Just took off.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
He was he was standing there and.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
He was acting like he was off the field and then.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Just yeah, that's that happens all the time.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
That's that's like a you know, hey, it's a third down,
didn't get it, We're in plus territory.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Send the punt team out.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Then you like have him over there on the sidelines arguing,
and then the coaches tell him when when to go.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
You know what happens. Yeah, gimmick plays we call. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah, Well there's that's unfortunate for Tyreek Killing Company. That's
another play out of the books for them, So that's
a problem. Also should mention congratulations to the great city
of Orlando. You get the Pro Bowl next year, so
if anybody cares about that, that's also on the books.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Play in a small world.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I mean, what a waste of time that event has become,
like just stop.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Get rid of me.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Scavenger Hunna Disney.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah, like, you know, the third down you go hop
on the tea cups and spin around for a little while.
The worst ride ever created. But that's the That's the
latest on the NFL. Who's dropping little tidbits each and
every day. As we get ready for the preseason and
get ready for the regular season.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Opener, be sure to catch live editions of two pros
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Speaker 2 (31:39):
Wanted to get your guys' thoughts on this who have
been there and seen it all when it comes to
the NFL locker room. So Kevin Byron, who is a
brand new safety for the Chicago Bears, he was talking
on mully in Haw on the score in Chicago over
the past couple of days, and they were asked him
about Caleb Williams, and he said, you know, there was
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this moment where he kind of pulled us all together
and said, you know, hey, I know we're all using
the same stuff here and all that, but if we could,
you know, do a better job picking up after ourselves
to help out the custodians. They've got a lot of
you know, stuff to clean. You know, I just think
we could help them out a little bit more so
kind of you know, it's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
You know.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
I had this conversation with Kevin Winston Junior. It's been
a little little bit ago, but you know, I work out.
I work out here when when I'm in town, and
I was walking through the locker room. It's one of
the things that actually our captains made us do when
we were in school was you had to pick up
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after yourself. Yeah, you know, and so it was like
a standard that was created, like don't don't act as
though you're so privileged that you don't take care of
your own your own stuff, like stuff was everywhere.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
I was walking through the locker room.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
I was like, man, dude, sneakers and flip flops and.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Their clothes and all this stuff is like all over
the place. Man. I was like.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
I was talking to Kevin, I was like, bro, I
was like, part of being a leader is and it
was it was like three more of several other players too.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
I was like, how do y'all keep y'all locker room
like this?
Speaker 6 (33:20):
You know?
Speaker 4 (33:20):
I was like, that doesn't. That's to me.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
You have to have more of a sense of pride
about who you are and how you take care of
your business and understand that your level achievement is through
your level of preparation and your idea of who you are.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
It starts with yourself.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
You know, you got to be the best you if
you're going to be the best we, so you got
to be the best version of yourself. And having a
crappy looking locker space and just throwing your tape down
on the floor, and and just having total disregard for
the cleanliness of your air is not That's not conducive
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to you being successful. And if you see guys doing it,
the standard that you hope for yourself should be the
standard that is helped by the others that are in
his locker room.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Well, and so to me, I thought it was a
great message. I thought it was a great story. Because
there has been mixed feelings on on Caleb Williams in
terms of what people think about them. But I thought
it was a great I thought it was a great story,
and I think that it's a great message that's connected
to it.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Yeah. Well, problem is, uh, oh, you're right.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
You're also not Amani Tumor who was on FS one
and was not thrilled with Caleb Williams telling people to
pick up after them.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
So let's hear it. He's Russell Wilson two point zero.
Speaker 8 (34:50):
Hh, this is not gonna go over Well, if you
came in the locker room, I've been here.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I've been in this locker room for eight years.
Speaker 8 (34:57):
Like you said, and you know he's gonna come in
Who hasn't I played one snap talking and wearing the
fingernail polish. You know now he's gonna come in here
and tell me we've been here, who've been through the
struggle that I need to clean up? No, how about rookie,
how about you clean up after me? How about that?
Don't give me this crap. I don't like it at all.
I feel like rookies should earn their respect. Sure, just
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because you got drafted number one doesn't mean nothing to
me because I don't even know if you're good.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
That was my teammate. I played with a moni tumor,
and I played against a moni tumor. Listen, I understand
people are going to have their ideas of how they
view things, but this is not an organization that has
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won anything in a really, really, really long time. I
ultimately feel like it's kind of a weird thing to
say when you think about it, that this team or
he needs to do more or to earn being a
leader in this locker room. Well, isn't that something? Isn't
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that doing something? Isn't that taking action? I don't know
how it became a story you know I would say
that that becomes an interesting dynamic apiece of it, Like
I don't want to be embarrassed by it, you know
what I mean, Like I don't want it to become
a story like, oh, Caleb Williams told us to clean up,
clean up after ourselves. But nonetheless, the message is the
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message and the clarity of building a standard. If you
have a number one draft pick that comes in, like
he's supposed to just be submissive and be a subordinate
and not be seen or not be heard from.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Or this, that and the other.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
As as the leadership role of quarterback on the team,
like because he's a rookie, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
I listen.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
Amani is a very very bright dude, super dope dude.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
But I got to say, I fall on the other
side of this one.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
If somebody's coming in and they're setting a tone and
they're setting a standard, I mean, if that's Ray Lewis,
are you saying the same thing, because I can guarantee
you ray Lewis came in day one and he was
the same dude that he was day one that he
was the day that he left, same type of leadership,
same type of approach same type of intensity. And there's
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just some people that just aren't. I'm not into I
would say I'm one of them. I'm just not into
the you get to be lesser, you get to be
not holding yourself to a standard because you're a veteran,
and I'm I can't call you on it because I'm
a rook don't.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
I don't subscribe to that.
Speaker 6 (37:38):
If I can help you be better and you can
help me be better, I'm not going to be afraid
of challenging you the way I'm gonna challenge myself to
be better. You should be happy that Caleb Williams cares
that much, because if he didn't, now you're sitting there saying, oh,
this little snotty nose, spoiled ass rookie that pain his
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fingernails and thinks he's better than everybody, this, that, and
the other. No, this dude is saying, let's hold a standard,
like we're adults here, guys, we've grown as men. You
may keep your house like that at home, but don't
keep our house like that here.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Have a standard, right, No, And I think that's what
it comes down to, is basic decency, right, Like you
should clean up after yourself, Like, that's not something that's
like a rule for pro athletes, that's like a rule
for my kids. I've got a four year old daughter
that you know, I'm trying to make sure she understands
that she needs to make her bed, she needs to
pick up her clothes, taking the laundry.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Like all that.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
So I'm not sure why this is such a big
topic of conversation. Maybe it's because there's an idea that,
like LeVar touched on, that a rookie can't tell a
veteran what's right and wrong because that rookie, this specific
rookie we're talking about, is who's largely going to change
the fortunes of a franchise that maybe hasn't been doing
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it right for the past however long, you know, since
they went to a Super Bowl and lost to the Colts, right,
and so it's like, sometimes you need change to come
in there. And by the way, you know, I've heard
stories of Ed Reed and other all time greats talking
to guys about that, and I guess maybe from Amani's thoughts,
maybe he would feel different if it was Ed Reid
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saying it versus Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
But the truth of the matter is, you know, right
is right, wrong is wrong.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
You know, if that's how you're conducting yourself in your
locker room because you think it's someone else's job to
pick that up, then maybe that says more about.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
You as an individual. Like if if the whole.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Topic of conversation here is because Caleb Williams is a rookie,
he can't hold other people accountable, then you're going to
have a really really hard time in an NFL that
is pushing out veterans left and right, that is turning
over rosters more often than not to find young players
who will come in and and say and do the
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right things on and off the field, Like I just
you know a matter of fact, like it's it's harder
for older players to you know, last in this league
and assimilate in this league given the ratio of turnover
a time and time again. So you better get accustomed
to working with rookies and at times when a rookie
quarterback comes in that special you know, taking taking their
(40:25):
advice or even like listening and working with them in
that way like c J.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
Stroud's in year two. He's been in the league for
a year now.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
If he says, it does that make it different because
Caleb Williams is going to try to make a splash
similar to what c J. Stroud did last year, Like
is that what this is really just about the fact
that he's just a rookie and hasn't done anything yet,
because I think he's going to do some special things,
Like does it take you three or four games in
the season before you're willing to then listen to that player?
(40:52):
Like That's what kind of strikes me as odd, is
like the organization has already made their decision. They've already
given this young man the keys, and there's a reason
for that because I think the way this has all
come out, it's portraying Williams in the proper light a
guy that you want to be as your leader.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
If he's making sure.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
They're doing the little things like that and then detailed
on that off the field, they'll be doing the right
things on the field.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
As well, And it's all Kevin Byron is a veteran,
he's been in the league for a long time, Like
he didn't have an issue with it like that was
they asked him the question, like what have you seen
from a leadership standpoint that stands out and he chose that.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Yeah, like, that's not like you.
Speaker 6 (41:29):
Can I point this point out too, By the way,
can I point this out? Point to the point, if
you are a grown ass man and a young college
rookie is experiencing you being a f and slob, you
should be more ashamed of yourself than you should having
(41:54):
some type of opinion to lob and throw at a
rookie for calling you on your book foonery. You should
be ashamed of yourself to be a vet. I don't
care if you think that you don't need to be
an example to the other guys in the locker room
or not.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
That's up to you. That's your own personal choice.
Speaker 6 (42:17):
But if you have no sense of ownership over how
you conduct yourself in terms of just the simplest thing
of once I take my tiel off, it goes in
the ben. Once I cut my tape off, it goes
into the trash. Once I take my jersey off, it
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goes on my pen, or it goes into the jersey's
ben or den, wherever it is it's supposed to go.
If you don't have the discipline on something as small
and as little as that as a veteran. You should
be ashamed of yourself not taking aim at someone that
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actually would care enough to call you on not being
that person.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
That's the bigger point. And and and for.
Speaker 6 (43:09):
What it's worth if you take it at its face value,
nothing less, just face value, it's correct. That is correct.
I should be more. I should have a higher standard
for myself. I should have more self discipline for myself
as an adult in a pro locker room like that's wow, man.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
And because I won't stop.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Now, and I can't stop as somebody who's been a
custodian before, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
I appreciate you. Caleb Williams.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
You know, people, Bro, you can't be relatable to everyone
out there because you've claimed that you've had every single
job in the world that would be ten dollars because
it's not real, bro, you you were I.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Mean, I was a janitor at an elementary school. I
was a at you boy.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
You have it okay outside of radio. You haven't had
that much work experience.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Do you want to do? You want to go down
my work experience real quick?
Speaker 5 (44:10):
I would love No, I don't want to go down
your work experience. I want to actually see pay stubbs
and proof from what you're saying, because I'm calling bs.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
You want W two's Yes, I got your W two
right here. I got work experience for days.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
All right today, All y'all listening out there now, just
know this is all a category ahead.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Jonas.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
I've had more work outside of what I do professionally
than either of these guys come up.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
Not true, Okay, true, that is a fact. Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
I've been a janitor, I've been a bus boy, I've
been a dishwasher.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
I've been a bar back.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
I've been a Lead's a bar back right now, I've
been it's Marketer, he is.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
Lead's a bar back. Lee.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Lee, Absolutely, all right, construction, you name it, I've done it.
Speaker 6 (44:58):
You're bragging about? What are you bragging? If you left
off the rat.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
Chu ch Yeah you did?
Speaker 2 (45:04):
You guys think because you helped out some family member
for a couple of days accounts as work. You didn't
have to apply, you didn't have to go through the
interview process.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
You didn't go through what I went through.
Speaker 6 (45:15):
So try getting your ass up to go work out
when everybody else is sleeping. Try getting your ass up.
I'm going on your side on this one. Everybody sleeping.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yeah you mean like one am.
Speaker 6 (45:27):
Yeah, get your ass up and getting the work from
from the time you started playing until the time you finished.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
You know how hard that is.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Yeah, Okay, why don't you get up and get this.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
I'm not I'm not making the athlete argument right now.
Just see, you're on an island. On that one, I'll
go on that island you.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
That, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
LaVar will be on that island and I'll I'll go
on that out and I'll be the one cleaning up
after him.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
On that island.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
You were the one subjected to all the screwed you
having to work at Hollister.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
I'll tell you I was, jeez not enough here.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Hey, Jonas Janitor, Joni, Hey, what was were though? Bust
busting tables at the Bogue In or wherever the hell.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
You have to you tell me TGR Fridays.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
Okay, tell me this much is TJ Fridays. The location
was still open because the Bogie In.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Is not Unfortunately, no, it's not Friday closed.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
It's not open either. It was it was a bad culture. Yeah,
it's bad culture. Whatever that you were part of. It
is great. Unfortunately, bad water we spent about that.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Even Albert Breer knows the bogue In.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
Everyone knows.
Speaker 5 (46:28):
If you've been, if you've been to the Memorial Tournament,
you know the bogue In because that's the the actual
course itself owns it now and they open it up
for the tournament.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Outside of that, I think it's it's done throughout the
rest of the year.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
So all right, well, listen, it is two pros and
a cup of joe here on fox Boards.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Stop complaining about decisions you've made.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
By the way, there's no complaint you.
Speaker 6 (46:49):
Made those decisions to do that. You chose to go
signs could be the rat.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
You said, I'm really gonna do this.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Hey, I didn't grow up with rich parents. I had
to get to work and I did
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Well, that was a football game last night, you know it? Uh,
for as long as it lasted. Now, I was thinking
about who I wanted to bury. Do I want to
bury the state of Ohio for having weather so bad
that they ended a football game? Or just bury the
NFL for getting rid of a game in the third
(00:34):
quarter because of inclement weather?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Like which way to Who wants to get it? All right?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Who deserves the blame for that game not being completed
last night? Jesus, Okay, that's fair. I don't feel like
blaming him.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
So oh.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
That game was something. The kickoff. I'll say this about
the kickoff. It's gonna take some getting used to. It
was definitely an interesting weird look.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
But it's just weird, man.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
There's like a lack of movement, you know, like I
don't know how to describe it, but watching it, I'm like,
I feel like there's been more people moving the balls
kick no one's doing anything. It's like it's okay, now
we can go. It feels more like I don't like it.
Either doesn't look right it.
Speaker 6 (01:23):
Listen, it's starting to feel like I'm turning into this
cynical type of person that has all of these hit
and agendas as it applies to our great game of football.
But because I seemingly am pretty much falling on the
wrong side of opinions about.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
About our game.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
Because I love our game, I think the decision makers
that we have are are for the most part, are
some fine, fine people. But I just think that the
more that is being done that I'm seeing is just
continuing to look more gimmicky and less like the NFL.
(02:06):
And listen, I get it, the safety aspect is going
to continue to be a major conversation piece surrounding football.
But to me, at some point, at some point, does
it get to be too much where the essence of
(02:32):
what made the sport the sport is diminished and possibly lost?
And that's what I continue to ask myself. But I
also on the flip side of it, I asked myself,
am I a Neanderthal? Am I wrong for fulfilling that
way about changes in the game that are going to
(02:53):
make it safer for the people who are playing in it?
So I don't know, but I just think first first, blush,
I didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
If it's going to result in more returns, I'm in
because look, Devin Hester goes into the Hall of Fame
if not for the kickoff return the special teams, He's
not a Hall of Famer. Like, if it means more returns,
I'm in. But I think this is why Rich Pasaccia,
the Packers special teams coach, came out and said a
few days back, there's gonna be some amendments to this,
(03:25):
like that they're going to get a glimpse of it
during the course of the preseason, and he expects that
there's going to be some minor changes taking place. So
but I'm with you, guys, it's just odd to see
nobody move and then you get the ball and then
everybody's just trying to kind of figure it out. And
I wonder, at what point does the NFL go, all right,
(03:47):
we've tried this, what else can we try to save
the kickoff but also save some of these guys as
beans so they're not getting lit up on kickoffs, And
I don't know what are their options they've had. I
think Brady, you had the one to or what they
kick off from the twenty. Just let just let them
rocket it from the twenty and then go from there
like whatever it's supposed to kick off.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
The problem with that is is the way the kickoff was,
there as still too many at least this is what
the NFL says.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
There's still too many concussions.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
So that's why we're doing it the way we're doing
it is all those guys who are lined up five
yards apart now no longer get concussions, which you know, again,
it's it's kind of tough to really know the truth
of all of it, only because the NFL has their agenda,
they kind of use the data the way they want
to use the data. There's it's the same argument that's
(04:42):
used with the field turf versus grass.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I mean, I think most.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
People who are athletes who play on grass and field
turf understand the difference between the two.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Grass is safer, it always has been, always will be.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
It's just more expensive for owners to be able to upkeep.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
And the problem is owners will try to make whatever.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Excuse they can to use field turf because it allows
them to spend less money on the field and do
more in regards to concerts everything else. That involves there's
the stadium that they own or are a leasing for
their team. That's really what that's about. So it's just
the whole thing is to me hard to really dive
(05:25):
into and go all right, like, is this really an issue?
You know, to your point about Devin Hester the kickoff,
that was the old kickoff?
Speaker 4 (05:35):
You know.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Part of the reason why we watched what Devin Hester
did and was like that's Hall of Fame worthy is
because of how unique it was, but also how difficult
it was too.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
I don't know the more I watched this, like is.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
This going to be that difficult if you have somebody
who runs it back a billion times for touchdowns and
we look at them and say, oh, they can't kick
into that guy, But it's like, well, well, yeah, we
changed the rule to make it, I guess easier for
him not only to bring it out, but maybe even
easier for them to be successful. Like, I know it's
early on, but there's just so many things I've looked
at with and I'm like, I'm glad.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
The kickoff is still a part of it. It just looks
so weird.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
I mean, it's it's almost like a bunch of kids
that recess playing like free Stagg and you're going, all right, kids,
like you could go play all right, you go, yeah,
get on out there, go do something.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
I don't want to be that close to you on kickoffs.
I'm sorry, like I want to look down there. And
we were talking about it. I'm here at Penn State, right,
so we were talking. Yeah, So we were talking about it. Yeah,
So we were talking about it. And and now you know,
I was kind of interested that. You know, a lot
(06:45):
of guys were like when you have and it was
a former player, it was like, you know, when you
have guys running down the field at the size they're
running at and at the speed that they're running at,
I mean, people are getting hurt and then a lot
of times you don't even realize that the people who
(07:05):
are inflicting the pain are going to get hurt as
well in the long haul.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
So and I'll started I was listening to him.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
I was like, man, I was the guy that was
running down there and that was hitting guys like I
feel like outside of my back, but maybe my back
is maybe that's the collateral damage from what I was
doing on kickoffs versus just playing the game.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
But I find it interesting that you have some portions
of guys that have played the game that think that
it's a great idea to take the impact of what
happens on the kickoffs, minimize it, and take it out
of the game.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I just wonder this, are concussions ever going to be
out of the game?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Okay, No? So then at what point is it?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Okay, I mean, is what it is? It's like a
chef's going to burn his hand from time to time.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
But they're not doing it to take concussions fully out
of the game. They're doing it to minimize the amount
of opportunities that concussions can take place.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
So I get it.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Are we sure we know enough about concussions to be
able to conclusively say this is going to be what's
going to save everybody?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Like?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Are are we sure?
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Like?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I don't don't.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
I don't think it's about having all of the information.
I think it's about again having the information that you
have and applying sensible solutions to minimize Like if there
is a play where a two hundred and fifty two
hundred and forty pounds plus man that can run for
(08:45):
four four three forties a man man and they're going
to hit you full speed. I think I don't think
it takes too much studies and scientific evidence to know
that if you minimize or close down the gap between
(09:06):
you know, them making contact with one another, there's not
there's not going to be that type of collision that
could possibly lead to a concussion.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, it's just for you. Well no, but I'm happy
it's I'm listen, I'm gonna let it, you know kind
of play out. Because I also thought it was dumb
to move the extra point back, and I was wrong,
Like it completely changed the play and it was I
just thought, like we're really going to take time to
to move this back, like we're really going to do this,
(09:38):
and then next thing, you know, it's become like a
really important play where people have, you know, real issues
with it from time to time and have meltdowns.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
So it's really not good to be on your side
of any of these arguments we have to look back on.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well no, but I think that's a credit to me,
Like it's really a celebration of me, which is the
most important thing that I'm willing to accept that, you
know what, my initial thought was not the right thought.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I gave it time, and then.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Slowly embraced it and realized I was on the wrong
side of things again just celebrating me.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Are you talking about your marriage? I mean, what are
we talking about here? Did this get personal?
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Are you okay?
Speaker 5 (10:19):
By the way we are we a little bit more
concerned about your your meathead backup yesterday because.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
You were also pretty damn wrong on that one.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I mean, are you Are you trying to tell me
that Brett Rippin out played Tyson Bagent by a wide
margin last night?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Yeah? I mean it appeared that way just in the
short stable size I saw.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Also, I was did did Tory Taylor attempt a punt
at all? I don't think he did, so they really
sat all the starters? Yeah, yeah, that's unfortunate, Like we
were really hoping to see him go out there and
bomb a couple he did hold uh you know the
kickoff at one point.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
He did because the weather.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
I know we're up against the on break, But just
going back to the whole starters, not the starter is
not playing deal. I mean, isn't that kind of arrogant?
Isn't it a pretty arrogant thing to say we're gonna
do one of the most you know, I guess impactful
nights of the football season by starting kicking it off,
(11:19):
by enshrining or introducing the new Hall of Famers. And
maybe I'm maybe I'm like, you know, kind of embellishing
a little bit here or whatever it may be. But
if I have Hall of Famers and one of them
at least is a former member of the team that's playing,
(11:43):
wouldn't you want to play your starters at least one series,
at least put them out there. It's on national television,
it's your first representation of the season, it's your first
impression of the season.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
You're rolling out new rules, you're doing new things.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
You had the number one draft pick of the draft
in the game. You're showing him at nauseum leading up
to the game, and you don't play the Troy in fact,
you don't play any of them.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Troy Aikman said, you know, yeah, he's all listen. I
understand that. You know, we've got an extra preseason game,
so there's more opportunities. But I would have liked to
have seen Kayleb Williams play.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
I mean, I think that was a tremendous miss. That's
just me. I think it was a tremendous miss. That's
that's all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Just from the moment standpoint, all the just this like
how special the situation the occasion was like, yeah, you
had Andre Johnson, you had three former Bears that were
being enshrined, and they rolled out Brett Rippon in company.
No disrespect to Brett Rippon. He might have won the
number two job, but yeah it's not. Yeah, you know, listen,
(12:57):
and then they cut the game short. It's like you're like,
all right, we're done.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
We're done here. It's only pre season, Like, all right,
we're done here.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
Did we get all of the advertising dollars that would
did we did we fill the requirements the deliverables that
the check done?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Okay? Shut it down? Yeah, shut it down.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I mean was the weather that bad? Was there? I
know the rain was bad?
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Like how bad was the There was a there was
a story that came through last night that was pretty significant.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Yeah, a lot of lightning a lot of lightning.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
There was rain hare so I guess yeah, yeah, I
was sleep Maybe that's why I slept so well.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I slept really well last night.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
When when it rains, Oh yeah, does it ever? Does
it make you want to go to the bathroom or
hearing the water run.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Not when I'm sleeping. What are you talking about.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I'm just saying, like some people.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
Will sometimes sometimes out here water or like somebody will
start drinking or something like that makes me have to
go to wrestler.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I have no idea why. So I know what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
But when I'm sleeping, like or when I'm laying down,
I've even put like ocean sounds and rainforest sounds on
to fall sleep at times because I suffer from like
insomnia sometimes.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Yeah, so there you go.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
I kind of blame Jonas for that. By the way,
why what var is suffering from insomnia?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Which which part of that?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I kind of him up a little bit. You get
them all fired up sometimes during.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
The day or night, like LeVar sometimes will come in
and he goes from day man to night man. Well,
and then he'll and then he'll tell me. He'll tell
me like, uh, man, you got to help me out today.
I really need to get that work. And I'm like, okay,
So then I'll put them up on game and get
him wrapped up and.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Ready to go.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I think only Lee understands the reference.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
I just made it by the way, I heard you, Yeah,
but you don't watch It's always sunny in Philadelphia, No,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Lia' is a connoisseur a different thing. By the way,
an it's not really a big pool though. I didn't
just get I wouldn't give all of that to leave.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Did it?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Rain?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
LeVar Islands?
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Last night down on me? Uh.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
I went to Primanny's and I had for four four
long LeVar Islands and I had two shots of tequila.
Oh yeah, so I had a good and then I
had some patron later on. That's kind of a center day, right,
I mean, that wasn't bad. That was Would you say
(15:36):
that's like a standard night for you? If I go out, Yeah,
I might drink more than that. I can put them down, man,
and sometimes i'd be double fisted. But she made those
those LeVar Islands to take you into the water. She
wasn't trying to keep you on lane. She was trying
to take you out to deep end. So I only
(15:58):
got to three four of them. You know it was
they were pretty pretty strong.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
That's another level. Man.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
If I had four LeVar Islands and two tequila shots
on pants, I try and I would try and sell
my wife and son on eBay, like like I would
lose my mind.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
Somebody was saying, like three shots of tequila in ten minutes.
The person was like slammed, hammered, like out of it,
like stumbling around. I was like, I know I'm not
an alcoholic. I don't drink enough to be an alcoholic,
but god dang, I'm not an alcoholic. Just because I
had one, maybe two drinks. What now that makes me
(16:37):
an alcoholic?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Now?
Speaker 6 (16:42):
They said that this guy was knocked out of there
with three shots of tequila in ten minutes. I was like, man,
that's ten minutes, like we might run through No, we
go through a whole bottle in ten minutes. Yeah, I
don't know, you know, I guess it's different tolerances for
different people. I told you I got that Scandinavian blood.
(17:03):
And yeah, the more I drink, the more I laugh.
And it's like, you know, I get that lab. We're
sitting at the bar and it's like.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
More l.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
It's like more l like the hound off Game of Thrones. Yeah, man, yeah,
I get.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Well bar least I do know this tequila.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
LeVar Islands State College, Paris, France, can't Ohio, wherever you
are on this show?
Speaker 4 (17:35):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
It's a football Friday?
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm gonna get it in tonight. I'm gonna
get it. I'm gonna get it in.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I'm going to get it in.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
What's gonna happen? I don't know what's gonna happen? What happened?
Don't get it? We need to make can't hope? That
is like?
Speaker 6 (18:13):
Man, Yeah, come on, let's do day Man around sad nights?
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Man, leave leave this? You really stepping up.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
To your friendship for everyone?
Speaker 4 (18:33):
What what? Yes?
Speaker 7 (18:39):
Lee?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
You could have had any better time? Hey man? What
happens this? Man? What's going on? Hey Man? Play the
real song? Played a real song. This is perfect. Thank
you so much, Lee. There we go, There we go.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Friday night is a football Friday? Waitay yeah, oh Friday?
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Throw it.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
It is a Friday fall Friday. Apologize for that detour?
Whatever the hell.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Tell you? Man?
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Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah, Lee, why were you looking that up? And what
does my job search anything and everything that involves sports. Yeah,
if it involved if it goes that way, that's my job.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Okay, Yeah, that's my job.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
That's my job.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
That's my job. That's my job.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
So we are we are.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
What about Lee picking up on the day man, night Man?
That was awesome. Did not think you'd be able to
do that?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Locked and loaded, He's ready to go in any what
is it always Sonny in Pittsburgh or whatever it's called,
something like that. Yeah, So apparently the NFL's you know,
making changes yet again. There's a play which Brady can
break down much much more than I can or anybody
(20:52):
else listening, called cheat motion.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Which is it like a is that on that search too?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
It may as well be is it like the CFL
play where.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
You get the running start or is it a little okay,
So that's now not allowed.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
So LaVar will remember this too.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Like they'd be like in a stacked or some sort
of condensed alignment, and then they'd motion the player out,
not like in towards the formation or across, but out
very fast. Sometimes they do it across formations too, but
it was really just to give the wide receiver a
running start and they they'd kind of roll into their
route from there.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
That's essentially what.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
It is, and so that's not not allowed.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
They're putting it in the rules to limit how that's
going to work. So like the effectiveness almost of the
motion because it's basically standing, it can't be abrupt, which
that's kind of the whole point is you're hoping to
catch the defense where they can't expand or move before
(21:58):
the snap of the football and deal with.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
That sort of motion.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
But really it opens up not only that particular player,
but it also opens up really the defense and adjusting,
especially like a zone coverage that window you know, you
motion about why the defense adjusts they wide.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Now it creates a bigger space there in the.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Zone coverage for the guy who's going to be coming
to like vacate that spot. So that's that's in essence
what they're trying to do. I don't know why they're
trying to outlad or take it away. I mean it
was first really showcased with Tyreek Hill in Miami. San
Francisco utilized it, the Rams utilized it. The common denominator
there is obviously the Shanahan Tree, but outside of that,
(22:40):
it wasn't that widely used, even though it is a
copycat league. So it's just weird, like the battles that
the NFL is like, oh, that needs to get out
of here, it's like why it actually was really innovative,
It worked extremely well. This is a league that is
always dying for more offensive football. I have no idea
why the trying to get rid of this.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Mean, it's a shame that, you know, the offense can't
catch a break from time to.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Time in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
You know, That's what I've been saying.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Everything towards the defense.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Now, those shifts, those those quick shifts are as I
recall just generally to try to confuse the defense and
what the coverage is. It could be used to give
the quarterback recognition of what the coverage is.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Is it difficult as a defender to deal with?
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Well, I mean, it just it depends, right, It depends,
because it could be you know, it's all about who's
going to outflank, you know, the the other the other side. Right,
can the defense stay you know with containment of an offense,
does the offense gain an advantage on getting containment or
(23:53):
gaining the edges or whatever it may be, or it's
it just depends. It depends on what style of a
defense that you're in and and and what you know,
how you play it. You know, when you have certain
certain when you have certain types of defensive schemes, it
can ultimately it can give an offense access to wider plays.
(24:20):
When you do those quick shifts, you might you're obviously
going to lose a defender because that defender has to
go out. Now you would say, well, that defender would
be out there if you had aligned and had already
been out there anyway. But but just say for the
sake of saying, depending on which you know, which person
shifts out would would possibly dictate what what defender shifts out,
(24:44):
especially if it's a man coverage.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
So I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
I mean, I don't feel like I mean, I guess
at times depending on how quickly.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Like New England, New England did it.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Quite a bit, if I recall correctly, they they did
those quick quick shifts.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
I believe. So it's not a shift, it's a motion motion.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Motion, yeah, yeah, shift motion. I mean, yeah, yeah, I believe.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
So that's well. The reason why I bring that up
is because they actually specifically outlined in the new rule
the way they're wording.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
It that if they move from off the line of
scrimmage off the ball, uh and they change, you know,
that the kind of stands, they then have to come
to a complete stop if they're if they're utilizing this
sort of motion. So there is there's a distinct difference
between it being a shift in emotion.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
A shift in motion. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
Yeah, Like I said, I think again, if it's if
it's like a movement, deal.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Is it?
Speaker 6 (25:46):
I mean, do you think it may be because they
can run and crack somebody, or or it could be
an end up being a concussion that takes place if
they if they're moving like like I guess, I guess
if I'm interpreting it, they off of how you're saying it.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Is it a motion for like a kickout?
Speaker 6 (26:03):
Is it a motion for like a wham, you know,
like like one of those Uh yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
It's it's not.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
I mean, it's primarily just been motion in order to
be able to create space or get that player with
a running start.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
You know, that's the least what I've I've seen from it.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
So I don't I mean, it's it's odd to me
that again they're really focusing on this specific rule and
trying to get rid of it.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Isn't Sean McVeigh on the Competition Committee?
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I believe so, I mean, you know, so that can
only go so far.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Though, haven't you So?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Then is it just they get in a room, they
start throwing out some ideas what needs.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
To change, This needs to change, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Never mind the fumble out of the back of the
end zone resulting in a touchback and loss of possession. No,
we need to focus on you know, motion and this
CFL play that's now going to be outlawed just kind
of I mean, like, how do they determine what's a problem.
What's not the tush push that's okay, this one's got
to go though.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Again, it's usually about players safety when there's change, and
when there's not, there's an agenda, there's something else going on.
Maybe they feel like it's unfair, but in my opinion, look,
all eleven players.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
On defense can move before the snap of the football.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
There's only one player at least in the NFL rules,
that's able to move and stay moving like that.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Not a shift, but like motion. Only one can move
at a time.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
So there's still, at least in that sense, an advantage
for the defense. And I don't know why you want
to limit creativity of offenses being able to come up
with different ways of trying to create more offense. I mean, again,
this has been a league that's continually adapted rules and
changed things for defensive players to make it easier on
offensive players.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
So why change that? Why stop that now?
Speaker 5 (27:51):
It's not like this rule change helps offensive players anyway,
or offensive coordinators for that matter.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I mean, I thought that Levar's leap against Illinois, he
should have been ejected from the game and minimum two
game suspension.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
I was on defense.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
I understand, but that's allowed on defense.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
And this is you can move however whatever whileever to ever,
as long as it's not across the ball.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I mean, here we go. I just I think it's
a hostile act.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
I can be moving snapped.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Okay, So why can't Why can't people Why can't people
on offense? I think it's unfair, wrong side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Sorry to be honest with you, With the way you
handle that, I thought it was disrespectful to everybody involved,
disrespectful of the game, and also kind of rubbing in
the offense's face that you can do things that they can't.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah, messed up, man, Thank you. I mean, I don't
know why. I don't know why you were proud of that.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
And here we are, all these years later, Sean McVay
is trying to get some guys, you know, Tyreek Hills,
trying to get some work, and they can't do that.
But everybody on defense is allowed to do whatever the
hell they want. Yeah, kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
Also, I was just talking about movement. We could do
what we want to do movement wise, you know, which
is interesting because you can try to use movement to
disguise blitzes, coverages, you know, gap responsibilities, you can you
can try to confuse the offense that way, but the
offense can't do that to you.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
It's interesting. That is interesting.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Now I will say that that in a weird type
of way, you make a valid point, Jonas, you aren't
trying to you you aren't intending to. But nonetheless, it
is interesting that we can as defenders, like I could
run over to the sideline if I wanted to. Now
offense can motion over to the sideline or you know,
(29:46):
they can walk over to the sideline. You know, like
the quarterback could act like they're walking off the field
and that's like considered a motion. But there's rules to
what they're doing, like he can't be going forward when
the ball all this snapped stuff like that. Like us,
we can be doing whatever we want to do.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Who who is it? Was it Johnny Manzel who pretended
like he was running to the sideline and then took
off on a route almost positive was with the Browns.
Like Johnny Manzel acted like he was going off on
the sidelines and then.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Just took off.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
He was he was standing there and.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
He was acting like he was off the field and then.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Just yeah, that's that happens all the time.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
That's that's like a you know, hey, it's a third down,
didn't get it, We're in plus territory.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Send the punt team out.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Then you like have him over there on the sidelines arguing,
and then the coaches tell him when when to go.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
You know what happens. Yeah, gimmick plays we call. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah, Well there's that's unfortunate for Tyreek Killing Company. That's
another play out of the books for them, So that's
a problem. Also should mention congratulations to the great city
of Orlando. You get the Pro Bowl next year, so
if anybody cares about that, that's also on the books.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Play in a small world.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I mean, what a waste of time that event has become,
like just stop.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Get rid of me.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Scavenger Hunna Disney.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah, like, you know, the third down you go hop
on the tea cups and spin around for a little while.
The worst ride ever created. But that's the That's the
latest on the NFL. Who's dropping little tidbits each and
every day. As we get ready for the preseason and
get ready for the regular season.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
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and a cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington,
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Speaker 2 (31:39):
Wanted to get your guys' thoughts on this who have
been there and seen it all when it comes to
the NFL locker room. So Kevin Byron, who is a
brand new safety for the Chicago Bears, he was talking
on mully in Haw on the score in Chicago over
the past couple of days, and they were asked him
about Caleb Williams, and he said, you know, there was
(32:02):
this moment where he kind of pulled us all together
and said, you know, hey, I know we're all using
the same stuff here and all that, but if we could,
you know, do a better job picking up after ourselves
to help out the custodians. They've got a lot of
you know, stuff to clean. You know, I just think
we could help them out a little bit more so
kind of you know, it's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
You know.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
I had this conversation with Kevin Winston Junior. It's been
a little little bit ago, but you know, I work out.
I work out here when when I'm in town, and
I was walking through the locker room. It's one of
the things that actually our captains made us do when
we were in school was you had to pick up
(32:43):
after yourself. Yeah, you know, and so it was like
a standard that was created, like don't don't act as
though you're so privileged that you don't take care of
your own your own stuff, like stuff was everywhere.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
I was walking through the locker room.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
I was like, man, dude, sneakers and flip flops and.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Their clothes and all this stuff is like all over
the place. Man. I was like.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
I was talking to Kevin, I was like, bro, I
was like, part of being a leader is and it
was it was like three more of several other players too.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
I was like, how do y'all keep y'all locker room
like this?
Speaker 6 (33:20):
You know?
Speaker 4 (33:20):
I was like, that doesn't. That's to me.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
You have to have more of a sense of pride
about who you are and how you take care of
your business and understand that your level achievement is through
your level of preparation and your idea of who you are.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
It starts with yourself.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
You know, you got to be the best you if
you're going to be the best we, so you got
to be the best version of yourself. And having a
crappy looking locker space and just throwing your tape down
on the floor, and and just having total disregard for
the cleanliness of your air is not That's not conducive
(34:03):
to you being successful. And if you see guys doing it,
the standard that you hope for yourself should be the
standard that is helped by the others that are in
his locker room.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Well, and so to me, I thought it was a
great message. I thought it was a great story. Because
there has been mixed feelings on on Caleb Williams in
terms of what people think about them. But I thought
it was a great I thought it was a great story,
and I think that it's a great message that's connected
to it.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Yeah. Well, problem is, uh, oh, you're right.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
You're also not Amani Tumor who was on FS one
and was not thrilled with Caleb Williams telling people to
pick up after them.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
So let's hear it. He's Russell Wilson two point zero.
Speaker 8 (34:50):
Hh, this is not gonna go over Well, if you
came in the locker room, I've been here.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I've been in this locker room for eight years.
Speaker 8 (34:57):
Like you said, and you know he's gonna come in
Who hasn't I played one snap talking and wearing the
fingernail polish. You know now he's gonna come in here
and tell me we've been here, who've been through the
struggle that I need to clean up? No, how about rookie,
how about you clean up after me? How about that?
Don't give me this crap. I don't like it at all.
I feel like rookies should earn their respect. Sure, just
(35:20):
because you got drafted number one doesn't mean nothing to
me because I don't even know if you're good.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
That was my teammate. I played with a moni tumor,
and I played against a moni tumor. Listen, I understand
people are going to have their ideas of how they
view things, but this is not an organization that has
(35:45):
won anything in a really, really, really long time. I
ultimately feel like it's kind of a weird thing to
say when you think about it, that this team or
he needs to do more or to earn being a
leader in this locker room. Well, isn't that something? Isn't
(36:06):
that doing something? Isn't that taking action? I don't know
how it became a story you know I would say
that that becomes an interesting dynamic apiece of it, Like
I don't want to be embarrassed by it, you know
what I mean, Like I don't want it to become
a story like, oh, Caleb Williams told us to clean up,
clean up after ourselves. But nonetheless, the message is the
(36:27):
message and the clarity of building a standard. If you
have a number one draft pick that comes in, like
he's supposed to just be submissive and be a subordinate
and not be seen or not be heard from.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Or this, that and the other.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
As as the leadership role of quarterback on the team,
like because he's a rookie, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
I listen.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
Amani is a very very bright dude, super dope dude.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
But I got to say, I fall on the other
side of this one.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
If somebody's coming in and they're setting a tone and
they're setting a standard, I mean, if that's Ray Lewis,
are you saying the same thing, because I can guarantee
you ray Lewis came in day one and he was
the same dude that he was day one that he
was the day that he left, same type of leadership,
same type of approach same type of intensity. And there's
(37:18):
just some people that just aren't. I'm not into I
would say I'm one of them. I'm just not into
the you get to be lesser, you get to be
not holding yourself to a standard because you're a veteran,
and I'm I can't call you on it because I'm
a rook don't.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
I don't subscribe to that.
Speaker 6 (37:38):
If I can help you be better and you can
help me be better, I'm not going to be afraid
of challenging you the way I'm gonna challenge myself to
be better. You should be happy that Caleb Williams cares
that much, because if he didn't, now you're sitting there saying, oh,
this little snotty nose, spoiled ass rookie that pain his
(38:00):
fingernails and thinks he's better than everybody, this, that, and
the other. No, this dude is saying, let's hold a standard,
like we're adults here, guys, we've grown as men. You
may keep your house like that at home, but don't
keep our house like that here.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Have a standard, right, No, And I think that's what
it comes down to, is basic decency, right, Like you
should clean up after yourself, Like, that's not something that's
like a rule for pro athletes, that's like a rule
for my kids. I've got a four year old daughter
that you know, I'm trying to make sure she understands
that she needs to make her bed, she needs to
pick up her clothes, taking the laundry.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Like all that.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
So I'm not sure why this is such a big
topic of conversation. Maybe it's because there's an idea that,
like LeVar touched on, that a rookie can't tell a
veteran what's right and wrong because that rookie, this specific
rookie we're talking about, is who's largely going to change
the fortunes of a franchise that maybe hasn't been doing
(38:59):
it right for the past however long, you know, since
they went to a Super Bowl and lost to the Colts, right,
and so it's like, sometimes you need change to come
in there. And by the way, you know, I've heard
stories of Ed Reed and other all time greats talking
to guys about that, and I guess maybe from Amani's thoughts,
maybe he would feel different if it was Ed Reid
(39:21):
saying it versus Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
But the truth of the matter is, you know, right
is right, wrong is wrong.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
You know, if that's how you're conducting yourself in your
locker room because you think it's someone else's job to
pick that up, then maybe that says more about.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
You as an individual. Like if if the whole.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Topic of conversation here is because Caleb Williams is a rookie,
he can't hold other people accountable, then you're going to
have a really really hard time in an NFL that
is pushing out veterans left and right, that is turning
over rosters more often than not to find young players
who will come in and and say and do the
(40:00):
right things on and off the field, Like I just
you know a matter of fact, like it's it's harder
for older players to you know, last in this league
and assimilate in this league given the ratio of turnover
a time and time again. So you better get accustomed
to working with rookies and at times when a rookie
quarterback comes in that special you know, taking taking their
(40:25):
advice or even like listening and working with them in
that way like c J.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
Stroud's in year two. He's been in the league for
a year now.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
If he says, it does that make it different because
Caleb Williams is going to try to make a splash
similar to what c J. Stroud did last year, Like
is that what this is really just about the fact
that he's just a rookie and hasn't done anything yet,
because I think he's going to do some special things,
Like does it take you three or four games in
the season before you're willing to then listen to that player?
(40:52):
Like That's what kind of strikes me as odd, is
like the organization has already made their decision. They've already
given this young man the keys, and there's a reason
for that because I think the way this has all
come out, it's portraying Williams in the proper light a
guy that you want to be as your leader.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
If he's making sure.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
They're doing the little things like that and then detailed
on that off the field, they'll be doing the right
things on the field.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
As well, And it's all Kevin Byron is a veteran,
he's been in the league for a long time, Like
he didn't have an issue with it like that was
they asked him the question, like what have you seen
from a leadership standpoint that stands out and he chose that.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Yeah, like, that's not like you.
Speaker 6 (41:29):
Can I point this point out too, By the way,
can I point this out? Point to the point, if
you are a grown ass man and a young college
rookie is experiencing you being a f and slob, you
should be more ashamed of yourself than you should having
(41:54):
some type of opinion to lob and throw at a
rookie for calling you on your book foonery. You should
be ashamed of yourself to be a vet. I don't
care if you think that you don't need to be
an example to the other guys in the locker room
or not.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
That's up to you. That's your own personal choice.
Speaker 6 (42:17):
But if you have no sense of ownership over how
you conduct yourself in terms of just the simplest thing
of once I take my tiel off, it goes in
the ben. Once I cut my tape off, it goes
into the trash. Once I take my jersey off, it
(42:38):
goes on my pen, or it goes into the jersey's
ben or den, wherever it is it's supposed to go.
If you don't have the discipline on something as small
and as little as that as a veteran. You should
be ashamed of yourself not taking aim at someone that
(43:01):
actually would care enough to call you on not being
that person.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
That's the bigger point. And and and for.
Speaker 6 (43:09):
What it's worth if you take it at its face value,
nothing less, just face value, it's correct. That is correct.
I should be more. I should have a higher standard
for myself. I should have more self discipline for myself
as an adult in a pro locker room like that's wow, man.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
And because I won't stop.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Now, and I can't stop as somebody who's been a
custodian before, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
I appreciate you. Caleb Williams.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
You know, people, Bro, you can't be relatable to everyone
out there because you've claimed that you've had every single
job in the world that would be ten dollars because
it's not real, bro, you you were I.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Mean, I was a janitor at an elementary school. I
was a at you boy.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
You have it okay outside of radio. You haven't had
that much work experience.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Do you want to do? You want to go down
my work experience real quick?
Speaker 5 (44:10):
I would love No, I don't want to go down
your work experience. I want to actually see pay stubbs
and proof from what you're saying, because I'm calling bs.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
You want W two's Yes, I got your W two
right here. I got work experience for days.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
All right today, All y'all listening out there now, just
know this is all a category ahead.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Jonas.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
I've had more work outside of what I do professionally
than either of these guys come up.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
Not true, Okay, true, that is a fact. Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
I've been a janitor, I've been a bus boy, I've
been a dishwasher.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
I've been a bar back.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
I've been a Lead's a bar back right now, I've
been it's Marketer, he is.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
Lead's a bar back. Lee.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Lee, Absolutely, all right, construction, you name it, I've done it.
Speaker 6 (44:58):
You're bragging about? What are you bragging? If you left
off the rat.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
Chu ch Yeah you did?
Speaker 2 (45:04):
You guys think because you helped out some family member
for a couple of days accounts as work. You didn't
have to apply, you didn't have to go through the
interview process.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
You didn't go through what I went through.
Speaker 6 (45:15):
So try getting your ass up to go work out
when everybody else is sleeping. Try getting your ass up.
I'm going on your side on this one. Everybody sleeping.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yeah you mean like one am.
Speaker 6 (45:27):
Yeah, get your ass up and getting the work from
from the time you started playing until the time you finished.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
You know how hard that is.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Yeah, Okay, why don't you get up and get this.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
I'm not I'm not making the athlete argument right now.
Just see, you're on an island. On that one, I'll
go on that island you.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
That, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
LaVar will be on that island and I'll I'll go
on that out and I'll be the one cleaning up
after him.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
On that island.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
You were the one subjected to all the screwed you
having to work at Hollister.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
I'll tell you I was, jeez not enough here.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Hey, Jonas Janitor, Joni, Hey, what was were though? Bust
busting tables at the Bogue In or wherever the hell.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
You have to you tell me TGR Fridays.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
Okay, tell me this much is TJ Fridays. The location
was still open because the Bogie In.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Is not Unfortunately, no, it's not Friday closed.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
It's not open either. It was it was a bad culture. Yeah,
it's bad culture. Whatever that you were part of. It
is great. Unfortunately, bad water we spent about that.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Even Albert Breer knows the bogue In.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
Everyone knows.
Speaker 5 (46:28):
If you've been, if you've been to the Memorial Tournament,
you know the bogue In because that's the the actual
course itself owns it now and they open it up
for the tournament.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Outside of that, I think it's it's done throughout the
rest of the year.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
So all right, well, listen, it is two pros and
a cup of joe here on fox Boards.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Stop complaining about decisions you've made.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
By the way, there's no complaint you.
Speaker 6 (46:49):
Made those decisions to do that. You chose to go
signs could be the rat.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
You said, I'm really gonna do this.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Hey, I didn't grow up with rich parents. I had
to get to work and I did
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