August 10, 2022 • 49 mins
On 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, and Jonas Knox highlight the premiere of everyone’s favorite summertime show: HBO’s NFL Hard Knocks! The guys react to Roger Goodell’s candid comments regarding the NFL’s plan to appeal Deshaun Watson’s six game suspension for “predatory behavior.” Then, Brady and LaVar defend the outlandish conspiracy surrounding the idea that NFL teams and players would tank.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with LaVar Areas, Brady, Quinn and Jonas knocks on
Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, two pros and a cup of
Joe of Fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn Jonas
knocks with you here on fs are. You can hang
out with us as always on the I Heart Radio app.
(00:23):
You can find us on hundreds of affiliates all across
the country and wherever the hell you are making us
a part of your Wednesday morning. We appreciate you doing so.
We will take you all the way up until nine
am Eastern times, six o'clock Pacific. How the hell we
feel on a Wednesday? Come on, I me just so
excited from Hard Knocks, man, what a great show. What's
your problems? What's your problem with Hard Knocks? All right?
(00:44):
Why why do you get to bury it? All right?
You know, not burying it? We're leading off with it. Listen.
I happen to like Hard Knocks all right. That sounds weird,
but because because because it makes me think about a
text chain was involved in last night. When I say that,
but I just I like it because it's the unofficial
(01:07):
start to the NFL season. For me, that's how I
feel about it, because then it feels like, Okay, August
is here. Now it's training camp and inside, look, you
guys have been through all this stuff. Some of us
had a little vicariously through some of these plays. I'm
just about the two so that when when it starts,
that's what it starts for me. Like I'm not one
of those drama TV show type guys like you are, Jonas.
(01:29):
So we've already had the Hall of Fame game, So
the seasons already started. For minute. What about Last Chance You?
Did you guys like Last Chance to you? The Netflix show?
I actually did. I loved it. I actually loved Last Nance.
I liked it better than Hard Knocks. But I'll take
what I can get, And so we get Dan Campbell
fired up talking about Hard Knocks. To be honest, you
(01:49):
like it more than Last Chance You? Or? Do you
watch it last night? No? Okay, well yeah, I mean
I did. Yeah. I always see the hot lights. If
I know we're going to talk about stuff, I'll go
find it. I'll say it's something that the NFL does
a good job of promoting it, but they are so
over the top of like building hype around it. It's
(02:12):
getting to the point now where like the Aidan Hudginson seen,
you know, the Billy Jeans song. Okay, cool, but they
may they're like this maybe the greatest performance ever in
hard knocks history for a rookie performer. And I'm like, what, like,
what do you mean? I mean, first off, making history deals,
(02:32):
you know, it's it's it's a it's a low bar anyway, right,
Like that's the reality of it too, it is, But
I mean, what's the what I mean, what was your
song that you performed when you were a rookie and
they they brought you up there. You didn't have to
perform a song, You just had to do something you
didn't name what you're signing bonus? Was? Is that the protocol?
There's some of that in there, Yeah, I mean did
(02:52):
did Willie McGinnis like make you uh you know, sing
like uh, you know, some some Cleveland, Ohio bass band
like Kimara or mushroom Head or some hard rock metal
band like that that you're into. Come on, man, I'm dropping.
I'm dropping Cleveland heavy metal here on you. I mean,
that's what I do. Yeah, No, none of that, None
of that no, no, Milli Vanilli, No, no, thank you.
(03:16):
I was I was hoping you'd point that out. Just curious.
I just I was just curious. I just wanted to
know what que No, I'm just saying, good songs, man,
the little black stretched tights, the jackets, the top hat,
don't forget norm ble see you. Was that another one
(03:43):
they lip sync on? Or was that was that when
they one of their originals? H Look, I mean the
songs they lip saying. God, I don't know who were
the actual creators of it. Those are great songs. So
good song again another classically have originals though, no, I
don't think so. Yeah, whatever you do, don't put the
(04:04):
blame on you. Look at that blame on the right.
What there was that one? There there was? Yeah, there's
one more. Who knows? Uh? And furthermore, who cares at
this point? But we do have a football talk here,
um yeah, man, you guys, you guys ready to find
out what's going to happen with Deshaun Watson because I
(04:26):
do have a little something here for you that that
might kind of well. No, we did talk about hard
knocks at all. Apparently, like there wasn't you didn't have
a favorite like anything from it. I mean I love
Dan Campbell. I mean I love Dan Dan Campbell. Uh
Dan Campbell knocks to a heart. Yeah you're unbelievable. Um yeah,
(04:54):
big fan of Dan Campbell. But you know, I don't know.
I mean, if you're not into it, I don't want
to steer us down a path. You know. He always
has some interesting quotes, like talking about, you know, drowning
people or something like the other one was, I don't
care if you have three fingers and one ass cheek,
I'm gonna beat your ass or something like that, I'm
gonna take you out. Like, yeah, he's got he's he's
(05:16):
a little fired up, a little wound up there. It's
one of those things as a player, and you'll always
like HARKing back to thinking, yeah, that doesn't make sense,
Like if I was sitting in the locker room, I'll
be like, wait what, Like those are the things that
where you build up the momentum. You know, you're fired up,
you're dialed in, you're listening to your coach, and then
he says something about one ascid three figures. You're going
(05:38):
wait what, like completely changes the mood of everything going on,
Like we had one coach when he would give us
a pep talk, he would try to custom You could
tell he wasn't the type of guy that cust very
often because he would use a cuss word where like
didn't make sense, or it would be like a cuss
word that just you're like, that doesn't really go there,
(05:58):
you know. It just it wasn't like a common cuss
word term, you know, and you know, whether it was
like MF, you know, or something like that, it would
it would be like a different cuss word before the effort,
and you're just like, that doesn't that doesn't really sound right.
But but anyway, it was all attempt to like pump
everyone up, and in the end it just confused people,
and people kind of came away thinking, God, that was
(06:20):
just weird. That was not what I was, what he
intended it to be. I forgot how many ex players
he has as coaches on his staff, whether it's and
I wanted to touch on that because the toughest running
back I've ever gone against is Due Staley. That was
my That was like my my opponent twice a year.
(06:40):
And it was funny seeing how animated he was about
how he coaches and what he wants to get done,
and how he wants to destroy the offense or destroy
the defense and the defenders when when he gets out
there on the field, he was an animated football player
and he was tough. Hell. You know, we were come
(07:02):
into the to the game and we would do that
Apollo Creed Rocky deal like we we'd be looking at
each other and we'd be like ding ding ding like
you know, bell is in round is in in in session,
and we had some some classic battles. So I thought
it was pretty cool seeing how him and Aaron glenn
Um reacted to, you know, interacted with one another, and
(07:26):
the amount of competitiveness you know, and and practices. You know,
you gotta believe that makes things a whole lot fun
more fun for the guys because you're seeing guys who
have done it that that you can relate to, that
can relate to you, and they're being just as competitive
as they were when they were players. I found that
(07:47):
to be kind of you know, I found that to
be really cool, you know, just when you see you know,
old players and and of note, you know Aaron glenn
Is as a player of note, you know, and Do
Staley is a player they're players of note, so I
think that that's pretty cool when you have guys like
that on coaching staff. Mark Brunel's the quarterbacks coach as
(08:09):
well too, so yeah, he's got like a bunch of
former players that could you guys handle. I couldn't see
you guys being able to hand. I think it would
be too frustrating trying to coach somebody and I'm not
being able to get it. I think you guys would
lose your mind and take it out on somebody. I
couldn't see you having the temperament to be a head
coach at the pro level. I think it would be
frustrating for you. I don't want to be a head
coach at the high school level. I've done it. I
(08:32):
don't want to be a head coach at the high
school level, let alone college or pro. Why to deal
with There's a lot of stuff that's not football related.
It's it's way more stuff that's that's not football related
that you have to deal with, and it's it's it's garbage,
to be honest. It takes the fun out of it.
(08:53):
You know. I thought it would be fun being a
head coach, and I did it for three years. It's
it's not it's not fun. Parents take the fun out
of coaching. So once you get to the college level
and now you've got to deal with, you know, all
of the things that the elements that go with that.
A lot of people get it wrong. They think they
(09:15):
think guys don't get head coaching jobs because you know,
of coaching. It's it's probably more the majority of the
reasons why people don't get coaching jobs are probably more
likely not even football related. And and that's something you know,
isn't really discussed a whole lot and and a lot
(09:37):
of you know, kind of conversations when guys are passed
over for jobs. But I'll tell you what you're you're
basically the head administrator. You're like the CEO of of
the team. And and it's it's difficult. It's a difficult deal.
I think Belichick talked about how one of the things
(09:59):
that build Parcels did for him when he was an
assistant there is that he would bring him in it
wouldn't even be football stuff. He'd be like, all right,
so this is what I'm dealing with right now, And
he said it really helped out because it's all the
things that he never expected, like never, like, you know,
guys unhappy about this. He's got a problem in his
uh in his marriage and uh and this is what
I'm having to work through right now. And he said
that helped him deal with all that stuff and be
(10:21):
prepared for some of that crap when when he when
it came time to be a head coach. So, uh,
it's a lot going on. But hey, listen, hard Knocks
is here. It's gonna be a weekly event. Who knows,
maybe we'll we'll get into it more later on. And uh,
and it is the the the start of football for
some people out Like you're asking us stuff you haven't
gotten into the stuff you like. I mean, I I
(10:42):
like Dan Campbell. I think he's funny. I think he's entertaining.
I want to play for Dan Campbell. He gets me
fired up, he gets me excited, and I do want
to know. I want to play for Dan Campbell. And
also I love how they sell hope the way they
do because they're really good at it, and you're and
I'm starting to like I find myself half way through
the episode thinking, God, I really believe in this team.
(11:03):
Dan Campbell said, like I'm really starting to think this
team's got a chance. And then I look back at
the history of Hard Knocks and teams that have been
on Hard Knocks, and majority of them end up being
awful that year. So I just, you know, I do
think HBO does a really good job of selling that
hope think about it. I mean, this is the same
you know company that's produced all seven series boxing. Yeah,
(11:25):
they were great, But like I'll never forget the Ricky
Hatton Floyd Mayweather fight. I remember watching it thinking like, oh,
Ricky had it's got a shot man, he's shot, and
he gets in the fight. You're going, oh god, he's awful. Like,
by the way, that was it for Ricky Hatton, Like
after that fight, you don't you didn't really hear as
(11:46):
much about done. He fought pack yeah and pack yeah
and knocked him out with that left hand, and and
I thought he killed him. I thought Ricky Hatton had
died in the second round. I think it was the
second round knockout, and then yeah, he sort of fell apart.
He's actually making a comeback, Ricky Hatton. I think he's
gonna be He's gonna try fighting again, because I think
(12:08):
that he he got really into drugs. He got really overweight,
like his life when he got so Yeah, they would
call him Ricky Fatten because he would put on so
much weight in between fights. And there's a UFC guy
called Patty Pimblett now who's the same way as a
British fighter and he gets he gets down really lean,
(12:30):
gets down to fighting weight and then blows up afterwards,
puts on like pounds in between fights. Had that problem.
Maybe Tyson Fury motivated and inspired Ricky Hatton to make
this comeback. I would have never thought that that Tyson
Fury would go from where he was at to where
he is now. Yeah, Like it's an amazing story. So
(12:51):
so shots out to Ricky Hatton, Good luck to you, bro.
Come about that started off with hard knocks ended up
with Ricky Hatton going and going back to the initial point.
Though they do good, I believe it. I actually think
they might win six games this year, six seven games
this year for the lines. I mean they're going to
be six and a half. I mean, who knows. I
mean I just I came away from that going, man,
(13:14):
I'm a believer. Now, I'm a believer this is a
possible playoff team. And then the season is gonna start,
and I'm gonna look like a horse's s. You know
what's toughest. They don't have an easy schedule. I mean
when you look at obviously you gotta play Minnesota a
Greenbach twice. But it's just it's not an easy schedule.
It's it's one where like them, the Jets, there's a
couple others. I looked at him like, shouldn't be this
(13:34):
hard for a team that was so bad? You know,
Like I just I thought the NFL does them no favors. Yeah,
it's it'll be rough. It is Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe. Be sure to catch live editions of
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn,
LaVar Errington and Jonas Knocks week days at six am
Eastern three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
(13:57):
I Heart Radio. A Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast
is called All Ball. We usually talk all basketball all
the time, but it's more about the stories about what
made these people love their sport and all the interesting
interactions along the way. We talked to coaches, we talked
to players, We tell you stories. You download it, you
(14:19):
listen to it. I think you like it. Listen to
All Ball with Doug Gottlieb on the I Heart Radio app,
Apple podcast orherever you get your podcast. Yeah, yeah, two
pros and a cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio. Come on, Brady,
(14:42):
come on, let's do it. Man. I didn't want to
partake in that was offended by the last time. So yeah,
it wasn't very easily offended, Brady. I didn't want to
part take with them either. Yeah, very easily offended. What
you're trying to say, it's it's two pros or radio
(15:07):
that come on? That was a joke. Please, Oh man, nobody.
You can't be sensitive on this show. You cannot. You
can't eating alive. Yeah, speaking of eating alive, can I
just say this, I need to start smoking hookah or crack.
I got to do one or the other because I'm
(15:28):
getting well. I'm just saying, I gotta I gotta get
some sort of nicotine or something toxic in my blood
because I'm getting eating a live by mosquitoes. They're destroying me. Like,
I've got mosquito bites everywhere. And I've heard that if
you smoke, they don't want anything to do with your blood,
Like so yeah, I've heard that if you smoke, you
don't get mosquito bites because your blood has gotten you
(15:52):
have a habit. You have a habit so deadly or
bad for you. Like that is not true? What do
you mean such you've never seen that Tabasco commercial where
the mosquito bites the guy and flies off and explodes.
That's not true. The mosquitoes be chilling smoking hookah right
with you, or crack, although I cannot confirm the crack
(16:15):
crack smoking smoking mosquitoes. I don't buy it. I mean
I've got I've got riddled with it right all over
my body from it's just terrible. It's terrible, man, I
gotta get some sort of Yeah, it's awful. Like I
always thought it was weird when you would go to
a bar in the South that would be outside. They
(16:38):
would always have a thing of mosquito spray behind the
bar top, and I never understood why. And then you
deal with mosquitoes, you got, Oh, it's a real thing,
And I think it just I forgot about it, and
this summer, for whatever reason, I've just been chewed up. Man.
You know they always had the zappers in the South too. Yeah,
I thought, I thought you guys didn't have mosquitoes out
in California. We got them, you got Yeah. I feel
(16:58):
like I'm being sold a lot of re is why
people live out there and they're not coming to true
Like they said, it never rains, never rains, greatest weather.
There's actually no traffic where we live. Cost of cost
of living isn't that expensive? They live in a cardboard box. Yeah,
it really is like people are just a denial huh.
(17:20):
They're like, well, in fact, the mosquitoes are aggressive this time.
And Joya said they're big too, like they look like pterodactyls. Well,
here's I think an interesting piece of of of information.
The big pterodactyl looking ones are males, and they're not
the ones that that bite you. They're not the ones
that are blood suckers. It's the females. It's the little ones.
(17:44):
And that's why you generally never see when when you're
getting hit by mosquito, because it's it's the little ones
that hit you up. You know, you don't really feel
at it first either. You just wake up the next
morning and it looks like rail it looks like, yeah,
I'm telling you, it's bad man. And I just I
(18:04):
think they've really gotten aggressive because once they lifted the
mask rule for like two weeks, they just thought, you
know what we'll get after a little bit. Now we're
just gonna start taking out our frustrations and everybody. Everybody's
tired of the the mask rules here in southern California.
So now that mosquitoes are taken out, So what you're
saying is mosquitoes were actually the US and everybody was
masked up out here, so and now mosquitoes have have
(18:26):
taken liberties on people. I just I gotta come up
with a solution, and if it means I gotta start
like smoking, uh synthetic weed or something like that, whatever
needs to get done needs to get done. Just saying
I'm looking for options, and I bought one of those candles,
and the candles not doing the tricks. So if I
gotta put something bad in my body to make an
app but I'll go on steroids again, I'll tell you.
(18:49):
So we just got one for our daughter Anklet. I'll
let you know if it works, because she gets she
likes playing in in like the the bits, like the
rose bits and stuff like that that like you know
where the shrubs are and she gets tore up. So
we we gotta I think we gotta a risk an anklet.
(19:13):
If it works, I'll let you know. Yeah, I'll try
the anklet first and if not, I'll go to a
lung duard after that. And then and then and then
we then I'm just gonna wear pants. Might go to
the left hand at lunged up. Either like these are
the phases we're going to go through. Or then maybe
you'll take an experience and take a trip and use
a psychedelic and you know what, the mosquito bites won't
(19:35):
even work or matter because your mind and your your
body will be in such a different state, in a
different place of peace and balance that you know nothing
will bother you. I see, and back to back m
vps after that, I see. I mean, how about it
makes sense to me? How about it? Um? Well, somebody
who's not an m v P oh Deshaun Watson uh
(20:00):
Roger Goodell spoke yesterday about the thinking behind the NFL's
one year why, why they're looking at a more strict
penalty for Deshaun Watson, and why they asked for a
full season, and here's what he had to say. We've
seen the evidence. She was very clear about the evidence.
She reinforced the evidence that there was multiple violations here
(20:23):
and they were egregious and it was predatory behavior. That's
those are things that we felt, um, we always felt
were really important for us to address. Yeah, so that'll
just about do it on the the six games suspension
for Deshaun Watson. At this point, it's gonna be millions
of dollars, and it's gonna be many more games. And
I'm just wondering, are we looking at a full season?
(20:43):
Are they going to meet somewhere in the middle. Can
I ask a simple question here? Yeah, if the commissioner
of a company comes out and says predatorial behavior as
it applies to the topic of conversation ation, am I'm
missing something here? How is that? Pert? Like, if if
(21:05):
somebody in the front office exhibited egregious and predatorial behavior,
if someone in regular corporate America exhibited egregious and predatorial behavior,
would they just be fined and suspended for a little
bit and come back to their job? Yeah, I'll be gone.
(21:28):
I just find that to be a tab bit interesting. Okay,
that's all I believe. That's why. Look, I believe that's
why they're pushing for a one year suspension and a fine.
And I think that's also the reason why he's probably
felt the need to speak out, Um, because he understands
the gravity of the situation, and you know what the
(21:50):
narrative is out there, and that their process that they
tried to put together with Suell Robinson, they don't feel
like it was just for the actions that were committed
by Deshaun Watson. And she probably ruled not so much
on the evidence that was displayed, but more so on
their previous process of how they've gone about punishing players,
whether it was Zeke Elliott or Ben Roethlisberger, whoever else
(22:12):
you want to throw into the conversation. I think she
used that more as her precedent for the six game suspension,
whereas Roger Goodell and his team are like, no, no no,
no no. Based on what she said about the evidence,
you know, clearly he violated the player of conduct policy
in an egregious way, and we want to make sure
that he's punished for that. I mean, he went on
(22:33):
to talk about how you know, you had four different
cases that she reviewed, all of which he felt like, Um, obviously, Uh,
you know, he violated the Player Conduct Policy and each
one of those cases and and said are are you
are you viewing them all as one or do you
view them all individually, which would make, you know, make
him a repeat offender, which we obviously know that, But
(22:54):
because they've viewed them all individually, at least the NFL,
that's what the case they're making now. They're saying, yeah,
this has to be a harsher penalty because it's not
just one, it's multiple, even though they're looking at it
as as one situation that there's players dealing with. So
I think he's look, he's been very public and the
the NFL has been public about pushing for a one
(23:14):
year suspension for a while. But I also think that's
in an effort to get him to settle. I do
think there's still the chance that, you know, when you
have the commissioner who is appointing the person who's gonna
take over to make a decision on this, and he's
basically saying publicly a year, a year, a year, he's
trying to get you to come to the table and say, okay, uncle,
(23:39):
I will do twelve games, I'll pay a ten million
dollar fine and let's let's cut it at that and
let's move past this. Otherwise they're gonna wait for Peter G.
Harvey to then give this sort of suspension or you know,
or or maybe he'll he'll do a twelve game ten
million just so it looks like this isn't some kangaroo court,
and whoever Roger at all appoints in the future is
(24:01):
just gonna buy by whatever Roger Condell says. Because that's
the other portion of this is they're probably to some
degree based on this process. It looks bad if the
guy's publicly stating what he thinks should happen and it
does happen exactly what he says that it's like, well
you might as well have Roger Cadell there in the
first place. Yeah, So it's bad is saying predatorial behavior,
(24:23):
and the sounds awful. I mean, I mean, maybe I'm
maybe I'm missing something here, but maybe am I missing something?
Because when the commissioner of the league comes out and
says predatorial behavior, I mean that should be that should
be like that's the black widow, that's that's the the
(24:46):
kiss of death, that's the long good night. Like I don't,
I don't maybe I miss something here, But when the
commissioners say, is predatorial behavior as it applies to women,
as it applies to women, it wasn't predatorial behavior towards
anything else. We're talking women. I think that that to me, Wow,
(25:09):
once you've gone down that road, I almost feel like
there's no coming back from that. Well, that seems to
me to be an indicator that he's going to get
whatever this punishment is going to be. And that might
be Roger Goodell get shooting up a flare gun saying
if there's another case of this, or if he does
this again, he's out for good. Like that, This is like,
(25:31):
here's your initial punishment. If he falls back to this
or another one of these pops up down the road
where he where he's there's another example of this, or
he goes on another one of these predatorial strings of behavior,
he's gone gone for good, like because I don't think
he can go that he can and definitely suspend him
based on that, and maybe to Brady's point where he says, look,
(25:56):
I feel like a full year is this and he
comes out really strong, and it kind of pushes and
forces Deshaun Watson in his side to want to come
back to the table and accept what the original proposal was,
which was the twelve games and the ten million dollars.
But yeah, I think Roger Goodell is letting everybody know, like,
if this happens again, he's going to be gone for good.
Hey also let the world know that they're only going
(26:19):
to suspend and find a guy that is exhibiting predatorial
behavior towards women. I mean that is also what he's saying, right, No,
I mean you mean like that. No, I don't think
he's that's what he's saying. He'll suspend and find anybody
that violates whatever was his And I mean I think
(26:41):
so he's not saying that we're just going to find
and suspend this guy that has predatorial behavior and continue
to have them be employed. Where I mean, it's something different.
Don't really understand what you're asking. I'm confused because if
you're saying that this guy is exhibiting predator storial behavior,
you're saying that this is only good enough or this
(27:04):
is only serious enough to find them and suspend them
for for twelve games, Like that's a that's a twelve
game limit and X amount of dollars fine on somebody
who is exhibiting predatorial behavior. Well, he's he's claiming a year,
that's what he's saying. Yeah, I mean, let me ask
(27:26):
you this. If you heard the commissioners say predatorial behavior,
and you knew what's towards women, how would you feel
about him being in the in the locker room with you. Well,
here's the reality is I said this earlier this week
to you, like in these situations, this is where I
look at it, and I always say this if it
was me, like, there's no place for you to be
(27:48):
in the NFL, Like, that's how I would handle all
this stuff. There's too much talent. There's too many other
people who do things the right way that don't have
these sorts of acts that precedents. What you're saying right
now is setting up precedence. Right. But but that's how
I've always felt about this is everyone wants to always
(28:09):
make an exception because of the talent. And no one's
gonna dispute that Deshaun Watson's a ridiculously talented quarterback and
can be a very successful quarterback. But the problem for
me is if I'm in Roger Goodell's shoes or anyone else,
you know, else's shoes. There's another draft class coming in
next year, there'll be free agents coming back that team
that he's on, whether it's the Browns, Texans, whoever, in
(28:31):
this case obviously talking to Shaun Watson, they'll find a solution.
Like the Houston Texans are moving forward with Davis Mills.
I don't know if he'll be anywhere close to as
good as Watson, probably not, but the reality is they're
moving on. The Browns, they would move on like that's
how the league works. And so I personally never really
understand when you have some of these heinous acts, and
(28:52):
I get it they're not criminal in nature, but they
to me, they don't need to because you've already set
up the player conduct policy within a collective bargaining agreement.
That means, if you really want to protect the shield,
that the image of the league and everything else, then
he's got to go kick rocks, go elsewhere, go go
find somewhere else to play. Then, because you've got talent,
you've got other people who are begging to take that
(29:13):
spot that aren't gonna do the wrong thing. Would put
in a situation now are going to do the right thing.
So that's correct that's and that's what me to me,
that's when you hear the word predatorial behavior, the words
predatorial behavior, that there's no place for that. There's no
place for that. Like you don't say, yeah, but we're
(29:34):
just gonna suspend them, or we're gonna find them, We're
gonna suspend, Like, no, you don't. You don't just find
and suspend somebody who has shown you they had predatorial
behavior and their actions were also egregious, like you don't
just that's not setting a precedence, that's not that that
to me is is very dangerous. In fact, if you
(29:55):
ask me, that is a dangerous That is a dangerous
statement to have. And the result, the end result is
just a suspension and the fine did you ask me?
Did ray Rice ever play in the league? Again? Never played.
So once that video came out, that was it. It
was over, which is again the interesting thing about that,
I think that was a learning lesson for the NFL
(30:17):
was you know, the video comes out after he's suspended, right,
he was suspended two games, and then the video came
out and they're like, oh, like, this is way worse
than we thought. And I think from then on they
based and and I don't know this for a fact.
I would assume though there was an unwritten rule where like,
you're not signing this guy, you know, and everyone tried
(30:37):
to make it. Well, he was, you know, thirty years
old as a running back and into his career all
of stuff. Ray Rice could still play, like bottom line,
he could have still played. There was an unwritten rule
where like, no one's touched him, he's radioactive. Again, no
criminal charges because he ended up marrying that that that's
his wife. I believe now that his wife, and so
there was no criminal charge to it. But again, the
(30:59):
conduct of the player shouldn't have to necessarily be criminal
in nature if it doesn't, if it breaks the player
of conduct policy, and it's so heinous in this point
that you should be able to say to the player,
I'm sorry. We we can't let you come back. Like
we believe that we're protecting the shield, protecting the thirty
two brands in the NFL and the reputation of all
(31:20):
these it's not worth it for us. But clearly in
this case, the talent of Deshaun Watson outweighs whatever media hit,
whatever public perception the NFL or the Browns or anyone's
gonna take in this whole mess. I've never heard Ray
Rice reference referred to as what he did had predatorial
behavior connected to be allegedly think about it. I mean,
(31:43):
I'm just saying, just think about it. Anger issues, abusive, sure,
but predatorial, like I don't. I don't know. Maybe I'm
putting too much meaning on the word. They've got a
movie coming out. They've got a new Predator movie coming out,
and I don't. I saw the previous four looks good.
Like that's I mean, I know what you're saying. I
(32:07):
just think when I hear, like when I hear something
like having daughters, you know, or even even just thinking
about your children period, because it doesn't have to be
limited to a gender. If you're saying someone is exhibiting
predatorial behavior, that means they're hunting, they're hunting something, they're
(32:30):
hunting something down And to me, there there that is
that is tremendously damning. If you ask me like, so
we're we're employing it's okay to employ someone who exhibits
predatorial behavior. Wow, I mean that's kind of deep to me.
(32:51):
Just that might just be me though, I Mean, that's
just that's kind of Deep. Be sure to catch live
editions of Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with
Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knocks week days at
six am Easter three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio app. Yeah, Rock on Man
two Joe, Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas
(33:15):
knocks with you here. You can hang out with us
on the I Heart Radio app. You can find us
on hundreds of affiliates all across the country and wherever
you are making us a part of your Wednesday morning,
We appreciate you doing so. We will take you all
the way up through the end of the hour nine
am Eastern Time, six o'clock Pacific. Yeah, Fired Up. Our
three is the UFC intro music or used to be No.
(33:38):
But I know what you're talking about. Jonas wouldn't know
that you would. He would never over that man. That
song is also old that you just heard. It's called
Bald Tongue by Corn about it. Yeah, it's called bald Tongue.
Well the way I'm just saying that this is bald tongue. Yeah,
(34:01):
name of the song? What bald tongue? Oh? I see
the look on his face. Um, of course he does. Uh.
So we've we've got Roger Goodell talking. We've obviously talked
(34:22):
about the Deshaun Watson situation and the comments he had
to say about that. There was another scandal in the
NFL this offseason was the Dolphins um and the Tom
Brady and the Sean Payton and the punishment for that,
and then also Brian Flores's allegations saying that they were
(34:42):
bribing him to tank games. And so Roger Goodell spoke
about the findings when it came to that, this was
the commissioner yesterday. The games critically important. I think the
findings were very clear on the championing charges and you know,
well tank king clearly did not happen here. I think
(35:02):
we all have to understand that our words and our
actions have implications, can be interpreted. We have to be careful.
So Brady, I'm assuming, I mean everybody can move on now.
I mean, I don't know what what the issue is here.
I think everybody can move on from this. When it
comes to Brian flores allegations, there was no tanking. They
did a full deep dive into this and looked into
it and and as Roger Goodell said, Look, you got punished.
(35:24):
Steven Ross made some comments, but they weren't made in
a serious manner, and it feels like everybody's ready to
move on, don't you think? Yeah? I mean so Mike
Florio that seems to have a red ass for Roger
Goodell and this whole process. Maybe it's just Steven Ross.
I'm not sure who burned him, but um, you can't
seem to let it go. And the one thing staring
I think anyone out there who is looking at the
(35:47):
accusations of Brian Flores and the lawsuit that was filed
against him, why hasn't been successful or why they haven't
been able to find anything is there was no substantiated evidence.
And so I'm not gonna act like I know whether
or not Steven Ross said it in a serious manner
and it was documented necessarily because they don't have enough
evidence to prove otherwise. But I also am not ignorant
(36:10):
enough to to sit there and think that you should
go on a media tour upon filing a lawsuit that
doesn't have any substantiated evidence behind it and start proclaiming
this to be the case. If you can't prove it
because now this just falls, you know, on the floor
on deaf ears and people go, yeah, it was it
was a It was an accusation that was made. They
(36:31):
didn't have any mare behind it, even if it actually did, like,
even if it actually took place. And so the first
part of that is it was either it just fumbled
in regards to how it was portrayed and rolled out initially,
or they felt like that was their best shot of
gaining some momentum and some steam and validity to all this,
(36:52):
or even to get the NFL just to investigate this.
But regardless of all that, the thing that stands the
accusations are is a right in the face, and you
would think it's otherwise, and Mike Florial or anyone else
can deny it is. No player on any team is
going to tank. And so you could sit there and
say we had the organization hopes we have a better
job position next year. Sure, but that's not the guys
(37:14):
on the field what they're thinking. And any opportunity anyone gets,
they're gonna go out there and try to ball out
because they know incentivizes them to either make the team
or make any other team for that matter. Everything you
do in the field as part of your resume. And
that's and that's something that it's it's undeniable, and it's
it's one where even if a coach told you go
in there and tank, you're not gonna do it because
(37:35):
it's career suicide. And I don't think any player would
put his trust in an assistant coach or a coach
who had asked him to do that. And I don't
think a coach would ask them to do it because
the coach's job there would be career suicide. And I
think Brian Floores knew it, which is why you know,
even if it was true, he didn't fall through with it.
And and furthermore, no player would fall through with it.
So if you want to say, hey, they stacked the deck,
they played some younger players and all that, the hard
(37:56):
part is is that ended up, you know, not necessarily
being how the season turn it out. But even in
that reality, it's just you wouldn't see a player ever
risk their career to buy into this in the hopes
that what someone's gonna keep you around on the roster
like there's no chance of that because even if you
had made good with that team, because the owner or
someone in the front offices had asked you, uh to
(38:19):
you know, throw a game or you know, not play
up the par You're killing yourself and every opportunity for
anything after that team all the authority on other teams
that see that on film and they're gonna say, what's
up with that? And if that ever became public, your
career would be over aside from all the allegations that
would come along with it in regards to the the
gambling world or the gaming world. So there's obviously a
(38:40):
lot of layers to this, but it seems like this
is kind of a case, you know, shut closed, although
some people are still trying to keep it alive. You
ultimately have to add health to that list of things
that players won't try to sacrifice as well. You're not
you're not when you're tanking. That means that you're not
putting forward at maximum effort. And when you're not putting
(39:04):
forth the maximum effort, and you're probably dealing with a
team an opponent that they're putting foot forth their their
their best effort, you get hurt, you know, you get hurt,
and those those scenarios and and so to me, you know,
the whole tanking thing. I've I've always found that to
(39:25):
be strange because I don't think that in football, it's
one of those rare sports. Like you look at basketball,
you can tank. You can tank in basketball, and people
watch it take place. You'll see the best players sitting
out in street clothes, behind the bench or on the
bench watching other guys play. Thinking, but and unless unless
(39:49):
you take those players out that you believe give you
the best opportunity to win. Now, if Brian Flores could
show that that he wasn't dressing his starters for for
and and even if he couldn't prove directly that the
reasoning was tanking, people would sit there and be like, Okay,
(40:10):
I remember when all those dudes were sitting out, Why
why weren't they playing? You know, and and if they
weren't all hurt or you put them on say you
put them on a list where they weren't able to
play because of their health and stuff like that, well,
then now you there's records, so you gotta be you know,
you gotta be mindful of the fact that if you're
(40:33):
just holding guys out but they could have played, you
can go back to the to the records of what
what comes out of the training room as to what
was the seriousness of nature of what kept them out
of the game. So to me, you never saw anything
take place. And here's the word of the day that
was egregious enough to sit there and say you were
(40:55):
trying to tank games. If you have your starters in
the game, and those are the guys that are your starters,
were projected as your starters, there's no way you can
justify that that you're tanking games because those players is
Q just mentioned so well, they're not going to go
out there and risk their reputations, They're not going to
(41:17):
risk their jobs, they're not going to risk their health
on the merits of a coach saying, yeah, we need
to lose these games so that we can get uh,
Trevor Lawrence and in next year's draft. I'd be like,
Trevor Lawrence can bleep debleep debleep these bleep to debleep
to do bleeps, Like, ain't nobody worried about Trevor Lawrence.
(41:37):
I don't care. I don't give a good god darn
how good he is. So you're not going to get
guys grown ass men sitting there like, oh, yeah, let's
tank so we can get Trevor Lawrence so that we
can win. Like, ain't nobody doing that. There's a big
difference between tanking a game and sitting players because you
realize the season's over and maybe you don't want to
(41:59):
get anybody injured and you're moving forward and looking towards
the future. I think there's a big difference. And the
guys that you do put in the game, the backups,
what are they just gonna go ahead and sign up
and say, oh, yeah, we're backups. We're gonna go ahead
and follow the coaches que and we're gonna follow the
organization's que and we're gonna have asset and try And
no aren't. They're they're trying to make rosters elsewhere. They're
trying to put good, good stuff on tape to get
(42:21):
signed elsewhere. If it doesn't work with that current team,
that's why it doesn't make sense. And then there was
also this report that came out. Remember they had unequivocal
there was evidence, there was proof that he was instructed
and he was bribed a hundred thousand dollars. What happened
to that proof? Because I would think that the NFL
would take this allegation a lot more serious than they
would have tampering charge. Tampering it probably happens a lot
(42:45):
in the NFL, as much as they took it seriously,
I think they would take somebody tanking games with their
relationships with gambling sites and gambling companies and the integrity
of the game, as he pointed out, I think they
would look pretty deep into that to find out if
it was true and and try and kill it and
and nip it in the bud, so to speak, if
that were the case. I just I don't think. I
(43:06):
think this got a lot of attention early on. I
think a lot of people rallied around Brian Flores because
it was the trendy thing to do on social media.
And then ultimately you find out there wasn't enough there
for them to go down that road that he wanted
them to go down when it came to them, you know,
potentially tanking games in Miami. I don't be honest with
you too, I feel like this like this hurts progress
(43:29):
in regards to a lot of things that the NFL
is trying to improve upon, whether it's from diversity, hiring, etcetera.
You know, because there was a lot of racial implications
that came along with this. And this wasn't just I
mean it's not like that solely exist amongst minority coaches
in the NFL. I mean there's been you can you
can make the case that back in two thousand and eleven,
(43:52):
what was it, right when Andrew Luck was presumed to
be the number one overall pick the Colts? The whole
suck for Luck? Like that was that whole strategy a year, right,
the pain and Manning neck injury and all that. You know,
there was all those thoughts to you know, teams for
a long time trying to position themselves in the draft
in order to be able to, you know, get that
top quarterback. I mean that's why if I was the
(44:13):
NFL and I took and I took this serious, and
I thought it was a problem, I would just institute
a lottery. Like that kind of solves the issue because
even though it still happens in the NBA, and they'll
and they'll go to try to do that, it still
makes it really difficult to get that number one game
changer overall prospect. I mean, as good as some of
the top picks are in the NBA draft, they're still
(44:35):
and then obviously they can have a huge impact that
they come in and be the guy you hope they're
gonna be. It still doesn't like pan out oftentimes, and
in the NFL it's it's even even harder to do
that a because you've got, you know, ten other guys
on each side of the ball you're playing with, so
your impact is lessened. But even more than that, there's
so many variables that play a factor in the success
of any player with the situation circumstances to enter into.
(44:56):
So that's the hard thing too, is that I think
it it keeps us away from from buying into certain things.
When you know people make accusations and there's not as
much behind it, or you can't find as much behind it,
it becomes difficult, I think then to believe in the
next person where those accusations, where allegations could be true, right,
there might be damning evidence behind it, but people are like,
(45:17):
oh no, here we go again. And that's that's the
hard thing about this is too, Flores still in positioned
to get a settlement on this. You think settle out
of court, didn't he alright, it wasn't there some sort
of a settlement already there already a settlement. I thought
there wasn't there, or maybe because he took a job
with Pittsburgh that wiped it out. I don't know that
that he actually wipes it out and the lawsuits still
(45:40):
was active when he went to Pittsburgh. Well, I think
the hard thing is is if they can't prove it,
then he's gonna end up having to pay probably the
legal fees or whatever damages to to Steven Ross. Because
remember Ross is the one that called down and first
started talking about defamatory right, and when you start defaming
someone like there's a potential chance of a countersuit or
(46:01):
saying like, look we we won't you know, we won't
sue back because obviously nothing came from this, don't have
any evidence, but we'll decide not to see you back
and go our separate ways. But you're not getting anything
in severance. So there's a lot of different ways it
could go. But I'm not sure he got anything from
all that. Do you guys think? All? Right? So he
aired out the Dolphins obviously, he aired out the Giants
(46:22):
in their hiring process which started all this. He accused
John Elway and people with the Broncos of showing up
to his interview drunk. Yeah, and that don't you think
he's pretty fortunate to have a job right now in
the league, Like, seriously, when you air like everybody knows
each other, you've aired out four teams and made accusations like, hey,
(46:43):
the Broncos guys showed up drunk. That's that's pretty damning
in itself. But he's like he is a gig right
now in the league at all based on what he did,
don't you think? Yes, I wouldn't say that necessarily. I mean,
he's a good coach. He should have a job in
the league. He probably should be a head coach at
some point in time. I think it just comes down
to more, you know, the legal side of thing is
(47:05):
the legal side of things, you know, and so I'm
not gonna intertwine the two. Uh. The hard part again
is that you know, there just there wasn't anything behind
the accusations. There wasn't really any hard evidence, uh, to
to prove what he was claiming. And I think you
know he can He's still gonna have equity built up
with the coaches he knows in the community to get jobs.
(47:25):
But the next time he goes for a head coaching
interview outside of his his resume, which obviously he was
a winning football coach, especially if looking at you know,
his last couple of years there there's always gonna be
that concern of being guarded about anything you you say
and do around him, and and you know what he
may do in turn with that information. UM, so you
(47:45):
mentioned the lottery. Can we I just want to kick
the tires on this real quick. In the NBA, any
any team that doesn't make the playoffs, they go into
the lottery automatically. Is that how you would do it
in the NFL? Or would you just include like the
bottom five teams because anybody on the word you're making
the playoffs In the NFL, would you say, oh, I
don't want to be a seven seed, We'll just we'll
sit this one out and try and get into the lottery.
(48:07):
Would you do it just the bottom the teams have
finished last in their divisions? Like, how would you structure
this lottery? Brady ad Um? I don't know. It's tough.
It's tough to call because the one thing about um
not having the lottery that draws suspense is the ability
for a team to make a blockbuster trade to move up,
and that's part of the drama of the draft, and
that's part of the risk reward you take as an organization.
(48:30):
Two If if you're desperate enough, and you might find
a team that's sitting at the number one spot that
doesn't need a franchise quarterback, right, either the franchise quarterback
got injured or he's or he's young, right Jacksonville Jaguars
for example. Um, you know, you have the ability to
orchestrate a trade which ends up atting more drama to it,
you know if you. I mean, and maybe you you
still say, well, that's still a potential chance in a
(48:51):
lottery system. Sure, um, but I don't know. I mean,
I think that's the hard part is where do you
draw the line? You draw a five, draw a ten, um,
Because I think you could make a case that some
of the teams are drafting the top ten are still
bad football teams. They have been for a long time,
and you know, do you know, maybe some of those
are closer to being being a winning football team and
(49:11):
not being in that group. But I don't think I'm
gonna take you know, the other Uh, what's the math
that the eighteen teams fourteen now go to the playoffs.
So there are eighteen teams in a lottery that no,
no chance. That's way too many. They'd have to be
like five or ten or something like that. That would
be fun. It would be a lot of fun. Two
pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn, Jonah Knocks. Would you here,
Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with LaVar Areas, Brady, Quinn and Jonas knocks on
Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, two pros and a cup of
Joe of Fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn Jonas
knocks with you here on fs are. You can hang
out with us as always on the I Heart Radio app.
(00:23):
You can find us on hundreds of affiliates all across
the country and wherever the hell you are making us
a part of your Wednesday morning. We appreciate you doing so.
We will take you all the way up until nine
am Eastern times, six o'clock Pacific. How the hell we
feel on a Wednesday? Come on, I me just so
excited from Hard Knocks, man, what a great show. What's
your problems? What's your problem with Hard Knocks? All right?
(00:44):
Why why do you get to bury it? All right?
You know, not burying it? We're leading off with it. Listen.
I happen to like Hard Knocks all right. That sounds weird,
but because because because it makes me think about a
text chain was involved in last night. When I say that,
but I just I like it because it's the unofficial
(01:07):
start to the NFL season. For me, that's how I
feel about it, because then it feels like, Okay, August
is here. Now it's training camp and inside, look, you
guys have been through all this stuff. Some of us
had a little vicariously through some of these plays. I'm
just about the two so that when when it starts,
that's what it starts for me. Like I'm not one
of those drama TV show type guys like you are, Jonas.
(01:29):
So we've already had the Hall of Fame game, So
the seasons already started. For minute. What about Last Chance You?
Did you guys like Last Chance to you? The Netflix show?
I actually did. I loved it. I actually loved Last Nance.
I liked it better than Hard Knocks. But I'll take
what I can get, And so we get Dan Campbell
fired up talking about Hard Knocks. To be honest, you
(01:49):
like it more than Last Chance You? Or? Do you
watch it last night? No? Okay, well yeah, I mean
I did. Yeah. I always see the hot lights. If
I know we're going to talk about stuff, I'll go
find it. I'll say it's something that the NFL does
a good job of promoting it, but they are so
over the top of like building hype around it. It's
(02:12):
getting to the point now where like the Aidan Hudginson seen,
you know, the Billy Jeans song. Okay, cool, but they
may they're like this maybe the greatest performance ever in
hard knocks history for a rookie performer. And I'm like, what, like,
what do you mean? I mean, first off, making history deals,
(02:32):
you know, it's it's it's a it's a low bar anyway, right,
Like that's the reality of it too, it is, But
I mean, what's the what I mean, what was your
song that you performed when you were a rookie and
they they brought you up there. You didn't have to
perform a song, You just had to do something you
didn't name what you're signing bonus? Was? Is that the protocol?
There's some of that in there, Yeah, I mean did
(02:52):
did Willie McGinnis like make you uh you know, sing
like uh, you know, some some Cleveland, Ohio bass band
like Kimara or mushroom Head or some hard rock metal
band like that that you're into. Come on, man, I'm dropping.
I'm dropping Cleveland heavy metal here on you. I mean,
that's what I do. Yeah, No, none of that, None
of that no, no, Milli Vanilli, No, no, thank you.
(03:16):
I was I was hoping you'd point that out. Just curious.
I just I was just curious. I just wanted to
know what que No, I'm just saying, good songs, man,
the little black stretched tights, the jackets, the top hat,
don't forget norm ble see you. Was that another one
(03:43):
they lip sync on? Or was that was that when
they one of their originals? H Look, I mean the
songs they lip saying. God, I don't know who were
the actual creators of it. Those are great songs. So
good song again another classically have originals though, no, I
don't think so. Yeah, whatever you do, don't put the
(04:04):
blame on you. Look at that blame on the right.
What there was that one? There there was? Yeah, there's
one more. Who knows? Uh? And furthermore, who cares at
this point? But we do have a football talk here,
um yeah, man, you guys, you guys ready to find
out what's going to happen with Deshaun Watson because I
(04:26):
do have a little something here for you that that
might kind of well. No, we did talk about hard
knocks at all. Apparently, like there wasn't you didn't have
a favorite like anything from it. I mean I love
Dan Campbell. I mean I love Dan Dan Campbell. Uh
Dan Campbell knocks to a heart. Yeah you're unbelievable. Um yeah,
(04:54):
big fan of Dan Campbell. But you know, I don't know.
I mean, if you're not into it, I don't want
to steer us down a path. You know. He always
has some interesting quotes, like talking about, you know, drowning
people or something like the other one was, I don't
care if you have three fingers and one ass cheek,
I'm gonna beat your ass or something like that, I'm
gonna take you out. Like, yeah, he's got he's he's
(05:16):
a little fired up, a little wound up there. It's
one of those things as a player, and you'll always
like HARKing back to thinking, yeah, that doesn't make sense,
Like if I was sitting in the locker room, I'll
be like, wait what, Like those are the things that
where you build up the momentum. You know, you're fired up,
you're dialed in, you're listening to your coach, and then
he says something about one ascid three figures. You're going
(05:38):
wait what, like completely changes the mood of everything going on,
Like we had one coach when he would give us
a pep talk, he would try to custom You could
tell he wasn't the type of guy that cust very
often because he would use a cuss word where like
didn't make sense, or it would be like a cuss
word that just you're like, that doesn't really go there,
(05:58):
you know. It just it wasn't like a common cuss
word term, you know, and you know, whether it was
like MF, you know, or something like that, it would
it would be like a different cuss word before the effort,
and you're just like, that doesn't that doesn't really sound right.
But but anyway, it was all attempt to like pump
everyone up, and in the end it just confused people,
and people kind of came away thinking, God, that was
(06:20):
just weird. That was not what I was, what he
intended it to be. I forgot how many ex players
he has as coaches on his staff, whether it's and
I wanted to touch on that because the toughest running
back I've ever gone against is Due Staley. That was
my That was like my my opponent twice a year.
(06:40):
And it was funny seeing how animated he was about
how he coaches and what he wants to get done,
and how he wants to destroy the offense or destroy
the defense and the defenders when when he gets out
there on the field, he was an animated football player
and he was tough. Hell. You know, we were come
(07:02):
into the to the game and we would do that
Apollo Creed Rocky deal like we we'd be looking at
each other and we'd be like ding ding ding like
you know, bell is in round is in in in session,
and we had some some classic battles. So I thought
it was pretty cool seeing how him and Aaron glenn
Um reacted to, you know, interacted with one another, and
(07:26):
the amount of competitiveness you know, and and practices. You know,
you gotta believe that makes things a whole lot fun
more fun for the guys because you're seeing guys who
have done it that that you can relate to, that
can relate to you, and they're being just as competitive
as they were when they were players. I found that
(07:47):
to be kind of you know, I found that to
be really cool, you know, just when you see you know,
old players and and of note, you know Aaron glenn
Is as a player of note, you know, and Do
Staley is a player they're players of note, so I
think that that's pretty cool when you have guys like
that on coaching staff. Mark Brunel's the quarterbacks coach as
(08:09):
well too, so yeah, he's got like a bunch of
former players that could you guys handle. I couldn't see
you guys being able to hand. I think it would
be too frustrating trying to coach somebody and I'm not
being able to get it. I think you guys would
lose your mind and take it out on somebody. I
couldn't see you having the temperament to be a head
coach at the pro level. I think it would be
frustrating for you. I don't want to be a head
coach at the high school level. I've done it. I
(08:32):
don't want to be a head coach at the high
school level, let alone college or pro. Why to deal
with There's a lot of stuff that's not football related.
It's it's way more stuff that's that's not football related
that you have to deal with, and it's it's it's garbage,
to be honest. It takes the fun out of it.
(08:53):
You know. I thought it would be fun being a
head coach, and I did it for three years. It's
it's not it's not fun. Parents take the fun out
of coaching. So once you get to the college level
and now you've got to deal with, you know, all
of the things that the elements that go with that.
A lot of people get it wrong. They think they
(09:15):
think guys don't get head coaching jobs because you know,
of coaching. It's it's probably more the majority of the
reasons why people don't get coaching jobs are probably more
likely not even football related. And and that's something you know,
isn't really discussed a whole lot and and a lot
(09:37):
of you know, kind of conversations when guys are passed
over for jobs. But I'll tell you what you're you're
basically the head administrator. You're like the CEO of of
the team. And and it's it's difficult. It's a difficult deal.
I think Belichick talked about how one of the things
(09:59):
that build Parcels did for him when he was an
assistant there is that he would bring him in it
wouldn't even be football stuff. He'd be like, all right,
so this is what I'm dealing with right now, And
he said it really helped out because it's all the
things that he never expected, like never, like, you know,
guys unhappy about this. He's got a problem in his
uh in his marriage and uh and this is what
I'm having to work through right now. And he said
that helped him deal with all that stuff and be
(10:21):
prepared for some of that crap when when he when
it came time to be a head coach. So, uh,
it's a lot going on. But hey, listen, hard Knocks
is here. It's gonna be a weekly event. Who knows,
maybe we'll we'll get into it more later on. And uh,
and it is the the the start of football for
some people out Like you're asking us stuff you haven't
gotten into the stuff you like. I mean, I I
(10:42):
like Dan Campbell. I think he's funny. I think he's entertaining.
I want to play for Dan Campbell. He gets me
fired up, he gets me excited, and I do want
to know. I want to play for Dan Campbell. And
also I love how they sell hope the way they
do because they're really good at it, and you're and
I'm starting to like I find myself half way through
the episode thinking, God, I really believe in this team.
(11:03):
Dan Campbell said, like I'm really starting to think this
team's got a chance. And then I look back at
the history of Hard Knocks and teams that have been
on Hard Knocks, and majority of them end up being
awful that year. So I just, you know, I do
think HBO does a really good job of selling that
hope think about it. I mean, this is the same
you know company that's produced all seven series boxing. Yeah,
(11:25):
they were great, But like I'll never forget the Ricky
Hatton Floyd Mayweather fight. I remember watching it thinking like, oh,
Ricky had it's got a shot man, he's shot, and
he gets in the fight. You're going, oh god, he's awful. Like,
by the way, that was it for Ricky Hatton, Like
after that fight, you don't you didn't really hear as
(11:46):
much about done. He fought pack yeah and pack yeah
and knocked him out with that left hand, and and
I thought he killed him. I thought Ricky Hatton had
died in the second round. I think it was the
second round knockout, and then yeah, he sort of fell apart.
He's actually making a comeback, Ricky Hatton. I think he's
gonna be He's gonna try fighting again, because I think
(12:08):
that he he got really into drugs. He got really overweight,
like his life when he got so Yeah, they would
call him Ricky Fatten because he would put on so
much weight in between fights. And there's a UFC guy
called Patty Pimblett now who's the same way as a
British fighter and he gets he gets down really lean,
(12:30):
gets down to fighting weight and then blows up afterwards,
puts on like pounds in between fights. Had that problem.
Maybe Tyson Fury motivated and inspired Ricky Hatton to make
this comeback. I would have never thought that that Tyson
Fury would go from where he was at to where
he is now. Yeah, Like it's an amazing story. So
(12:51):
so shots out to Ricky Hatton, Good luck to you, bro.
Come about that started off with hard knocks ended up
with Ricky Hatton going and going back to the initial point.
Though they do good, I believe it. I actually think
they might win six games this year, six seven games
this year for the lines. I mean they're going to
be six and a half. I mean, who knows. I
mean I just I came away from that going, man,
(13:14):
I'm a believer. Now, I'm a believer this is a
possible playoff team. And then the season is gonna start,
and I'm gonna look like a horse's s. You know
what's toughest. They don't have an easy schedule. I mean
when you look at obviously you gotta play Minnesota a
Greenbach twice. But it's just it's not an easy schedule.
It's it's one where like them, the Jets, there's a
couple others. I looked at him like, shouldn't be this
(13:34):
hard for a team that was so bad? You know,
Like I just I thought the NFL does them no favors. Yeah,
it's it'll be rough. It is Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe. Be sure to catch live editions of
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn,
LaVar Errington and Jonas Knocks week days at six am
Eastern three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
(13:57):
I Heart Radio. A Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast
is called All Ball. We usually talk all basketball all
the time, but it's more about the stories about what
made these people love their sport and all the interesting
interactions along the way. We talked to coaches, we talked
to players, We tell you stories. You download it, you
(14:19):
listen to it. I think you like it. Listen to
All Ball with Doug Gottlieb on the I Heart Radio app,
Apple podcast orherever you get your podcast. Yeah, yeah, two
pros and a cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio. Come on, Brady,
(14:42):
come on, let's do it. Man. I didn't want to
partake in that was offended by the last time. So yeah,
it wasn't very easily offended, Brady. I didn't want to
part take with them either. Yeah, very easily offended. What
you're trying to say, it's it's two pros or radio
(15:07):
that come on? That was a joke. Please, Oh man, nobody.
You can't be sensitive on this show. You cannot. You
can't eating alive. Yeah, speaking of eating alive, can I
just say this, I need to start smoking hookah or crack.
I got to do one or the other because I'm
(15:28):
getting well. I'm just saying, I gotta I gotta get
some sort of nicotine or something toxic in my blood
because I'm getting eating a live by mosquitoes. They're destroying me. Like,
I've got mosquito bites everywhere. And I've heard that if
you smoke, they don't want anything to do with your blood,
Like so yeah, I've heard that if you smoke, you
don't get mosquito bites because your blood has gotten you
(15:52):
have a habit. You have a habit so deadly or
bad for you. Like that is not true? What do
you mean such you've never seen that Tabasco commercial where
the mosquito bites the guy and flies off and explodes.
That's not true. The mosquitoes be chilling smoking hookah right
with you, or crack, although I cannot confirm the crack
(16:15):
crack smoking smoking mosquitoes. I don't buy it. I mean
I've got I've got riddled with it right all over
my body from it's just terrible. It's terrible, man, I
gotta get some sort of Yeah, it's awful. Like I
always thought it was weird when you would go to
a bar in the South that would be outside. They
(16:38):
would always have a thing of mosquito spray behind the
bar top, and I never understood why. And then you
deal with mosquitoes, you got, Oh, it's a real thing,
And I think it just I forgot about it, and
this summer, for whatever reason, I've just been chewed up. Man.
You know they always had the zappers in the South too. Yeah,
I thought, I thought you guys didn't have mosquitoes out
in California. We got them, you got Yeah. I feel
(16:58):
like I'm being sold a lot of re is why
people live out there and they're not coming to true
Like they said, it never rains, never rains, greatest weather.
There's actually no traffic where we live. Cost of cost
of living isn't that expensive? They live in a cardboard box. Yeah,
it really is like people are just a denial huh.
(17:20):
They're like, well, in fact, the mosquitoes are aggressive this time.
And Joya said they're big too, like they look like pterodactyls. Well,
here's I think an interesting piece of of of information.
The big pterodactyl looking ones are males, and they're not
the ones that that bite you. They're not the ones
that are blood suckers. It's the females. It's the little ones.
(17:44):
And that's why you generally never see when when you're
getting hit by mosquito, because it's it's the little ones
that hit you up. You know, you don't really feel
at it first either. You just wake up the next
morning and it looks like rail it looks like, yeah,
I'm telling you, it's bad man. And I just I
(18:04):
think they've really gotten aggressive because once they lifted the
mask rule for like two weeks, they just thought, you
know what we'll get after a little bit. Now we're
just gonna start taking out our frustrations and everybody. Everybody's
tired of the the mask rules here in southern California.
So now that mosquitoes are taken out, So what you're
saying is mosquitoes were actually the US and everybody was
masked up out here, so and now mosquitoes have have
(18:26):
taken liberties on people. I just I gotta come up
with a solution, and if it means I gotta start
like smoking, uh synthetic weed or something like that, whatever
needs to get done needs to get done. Just saying
I'm looking for options, and I bought one of those candles,
and the candles not doing the tricks. So if I
gotta put something bad in my body to make an
app but I'll go on steroids again, I'll tell you.
(18:49):
So we just got one for our daughter Anklet. I'll
let you know if it works, because she gets she
likes playing in in like the the bits, like the
rose bits and stuff like that that like you know
where the shrubs are and she gets tore up. So
we we gotta I think we gotta a risk an anklet.
(19:13):
If it works, I'll let you know. Yeah, I'll try
the anklet first and if not, I'll go to a
lung duard after that. And then and then and then
we then I'm just gonna wear pants. Might go to
the left hand at lunged up. Either like these are
the phases we're going to go through. Or then maybe
you'll take an experience and take a trip and use
a psychedelic and you know what, the mosquito bites won't
(19:35):
even work or matter because your mind and your your
body will be in such a different state, in a
different place of peace and balance that you know nothing
will bother you. I see, and back to back m
vps after that, I see. I mean, how about it
makes sense to me? How about it? Um? Well, somebody
who's not an m v P oh Deshaun Watson uh
(20:00):
Roger Goodell spoke yesterday about the thinking behind the NFL's
one year why, why they're looking at a more strict
penalty for Deshaun Watson, and why they asked for a
full season, and here's what he had to say. We've
seen the evidence. She was very clear about the evidence.
She reinforced the evidence that there was multiple violations here
(20:23):
and they were egregious and it was predatory behavior. That's
those are things that we felt, um, we always felt
were really important for us to address. Yeah, so that'll
just about do it on the the six games suspension
for Deshaun Watson. At this point, it's gonna be millions
of dollars, and it's gonna be many more games. And
I'm just wondering, are we looking at a full season?
(20:43):
Are they going to meet somewhere in the middle. Can
I ask a simple question here? Yeah, if the commissioner
of a company comes out and says predatorial behavior as
it applies to the topic of conversation ation, am I'm
missing something here? How is that? Pert? Like, if if
(21:05):
somebody in the front office exhibited egregious and predatorial behavior,
if someone in regular corporate America exhibited egregious and predatorial behavior,
would they just be fined and suspended for a little
bit and come back to their job? Yeah, I'll be gone.
(21:28):
I just find that to be a tab bit interesting. Okay,
that's all I believe. That's why. Look, I believe that's
why they're pushing for a one year suspension and a fine.
And I think that's also the reason why he's probably
felt the need to speak out, Um, because he understands
the gravity of the situation, and you know what the
(21:50):
narrative is out there, and that their process that they
tried to put together with Suell Robinson, they don't feel
like it was just for the actions that were committed
by Deshaun Watson. And she probably ruled not so much
on the evidence that was displayed, but more so on
their previous process of how they've gone about punishing players,
whether it was Zeke Elliott or Ben Roethlisberger, whoever else
(22:12):
you want to throw into the conversation. I think she
used that more as her precedent for the six game suspension,
whereas Roger Goodell and his team are like, no, no no,
no no. Based on what she said about the evidence,
you know, clearly he violated the player of conduct policy
in an egregious way, and we want to make sure
that he's punished for that. I mean, he went on
(22:33):
to talk about how you know, you had four different
cases that she reviewed, all of which he felt like, Um, obviously, Uh,
you know, he violated the Player Conduct Policy and each
one of those cases and and said are are you
are you viewing them all as one or do you
view them all individually, which would make, you know, make
him a repeat offender, which we obviously know that, But
(22:54):
because they've viewed them all individually, at least the NFL,
that's what the case they're making now. They're saying, yeah,
this has to be a harsher penalty because it's not
just one, it's multiple, even though they're looking at it
as as one situation that there's players dealing with. So
I think he's look, he's been very public and the
the NFL has been public about pushing for a one
(23:14):
year suspension for a while. But I also think that's
in an effort to get him to settle. I do
think there's still the chance that, you know, when you
have the commissioner who is appointing the person who's gonna
take over to make a decision on this, and he's
basically saying publicly a year, a year, a year, he's
trying to get you to come to the table and say, okay, uncle,
(23:39):
I will do twelve games, I'll pay a ten million
dollar fine and let's let's cut it at that and
let's move past this. Otherwise they're gonna wait for Peter G.
Harvey to then give this sort of suspension or you know,
or or maybe he'll he'll do a twelve game ten
million just so it looks like this isn't some kangaroo court,
and whoever Roger at all appoints in the future is
(24:01):
just gonna buy by whatever Roger Condell says. Because that's
the other portion of this is they're probably to some
degree based on this process. It looks bad if the
guy's publicly stating what he thinks should happen and it
does happen exactly what he says that it's like, well
you might as well have Roger Cadell there in the
first place. Yeah, So it's bad is saying predatorial behavior,
(24:23):
and the sounds awful. I mean, I mean, maybe I'm
maybe I'm missing something here, but maybe am I missing something?
Because when the commissioner of the league comes out and
says predatorial behavior, I mean that should be that should
be like that's the black widow, that's that's the the
(24:46):
kiss of death, that's the long good night. Like I don't,
I don't maybe I miss something here, But when the
commissioners say, is predatorial behavior as it applies to women,
as it applies to women, it wasn't predatorial behavior towards
anything else. We're talking women. I think that that to me, Wow,
(25:09):
once you've gone down that road, I almost feel like
there's no coming back from that. Well, that seems to
me to be an indicator that he's going to get
whatever this punishment is going to be. And that might
be Roger Goodell get shooting up a flare gun saying
if there's another case of this, or if he does
this again, he's out for good. Like that, This is like,
(25:31):
here's your initial punishment. If he falls back to this
or another one of these pops up down the road
where he where he's there's another example of this, or
he goes on another one of these predatorial strings of behavior,
he's gone gone for good, like because I don't think
he can go that he can and definitely suspend him
based on that, and maybe to Brady's point where he says, look,
(25:56):
I feel like a full year is this and he
comes out really strong, and it kind of pushes and
forces Deshaun Watson in his side to want to come
back to the table and accept what the original proposal was,
which was the twelve games and the ten million dollars.
But yeah, I think Roger Goodell is letting everybody know, like,
if this happens again, he's going to be gone for good.
Hey also let the world know that they're only going
(26:19):
to suspend and find a guy that is exhibiting predatorial
behavior towards women. I mean that is also what he's saying, right, No,
I mean you mean like that. No, I don't think
he's that's what he's saying. He'll suspend and find anybody
that violates whatever was his And I mean I think
(26:41):
so he's not saying that we're just going to find
and suspend this guy that has predatorial behavior and continue
to have them be employed. Where I mean, it's something different.
Don't really understand what you're asking. I'm confused because if
you're saying that this guy is exhibiting predator storial behavior,
you're saying that this is only good enough or this
(27:04):
is only serious enough to find them and suspend them
for for twelve games, Like that's a that's a twelve
game limit and X amount of dollars fine on somebody
who is exhibiting predatorial behavior. Well, he's he's claiming a year,
that's what he's saying. Yeah, I mean, let me ask
(27:26):
you this. If you heard the commissioners say predatorial behavior,
and you knew what's towards women, how would you feel
about him being in the in the locker room with you. Well,
here's the reality is I said this earlier this week
to you, like in these situations, this is where I
look at it, and I always say this if it
was me, like, there's no place for you to be
(27:48):
in the NFL, Like, that's how I would handle all
this stuff. There's too much talent. There's too many other
people who do things the right way that don't have
these sorts of acts that precedents. What you're saying right
now is setting up precedence. Right. But but that's how
I've always felt about this is everyone wants to always
(28:09):
make an exception because of the talent. And no one's
gonna dispute that Deshaun Watson's a ridiculously talented quarterback and
can be a very successful quarterback. But the problem for
me is if I'm in Roger Goodell's shoes or anyone else,
you know, else's shoes. There's another draft class coming in
next year, there'll be free agents coming back that team
that he's on, whether it's the Browns, Texans, whoever, in
(28:31):
this case obviously talking to Shaun Watson, they'll find a solution.
Like the Houston Texans are moving forward with Davis Mills.
I don't know if he'll be anywhere close to as
good as Watson, probably not, but the reality is they're
moving on. The Browns, they would move on like that's
how the league works. And so I personally never really
understand when you have some of these heinous acts, and
(28:52):
I get it they're not criminal in nature, but they
to me, they don't need to because you've already set
up the player conduct policy within a collective bargaining agreement.
That means, if you really want to protect the shield,
that the image of the league and everything else, then
he's got to go kick rocks, go elsewhere, go go
find somewhere else to play. Then, because you've got talent,
you've got other people who are begging to take that
(29:13):
spot that aren't gonna do the wrong thing. Would put
in a situation now are going to do the right thing.
So that's correct that's and that's what me to me,
that's when you hear the word predatorial behavior, the words
predatorial behavior, that there's no place for that. There's no
place for that. Like you don't say, yeah, but we're
(29:34):
just gonna suspend them, or we're gonna find them, We're
gonna suspend, Like, no, you don't. You don't just find
and suspend somebody who has shown you they had predatorial
behavior and their actions were also egregious, like you don't
just that's not setting a precedence, that's not that that
to me is is very dangerous. In fact, if you
(29:55):
ask me, that is a dangerous That is a dangerous
statement to have. And the result, the end result is
just a suspension and the fine did you ask me?
Did ray Rice ever play in the league? Again? Never played.
So once that video came out, that was it. It
was over, which is again the interesting thing about that,
I think that was a learning lesson for the NFL
(30:17):
was you know, the video comes out after he's suspended, right,
he was suspended two games, and then the video came
out and they're like, oh, like, this is way worse
than we thought. And I think from then on they
based and and I don't know this for a fact.
I would assume though there was an unwritten rule where like,
you're not signing this guy, you know, and everyone tried
(30:37):
to make it. Well, he was, you know, thirty years
old as a running back and into his career all
of stuff. Ray Rice could still play, like bottom line,
he could have still played. There was an unwritten rule
where like, no one's touched him, he's radioactive. Again, no
criminal charges because he ended up marrying that that that's
his wife. I believe now that his wife, and so
there was no criminal charge to it. But again, the
(30:59):
conduct of the player shouldn't have to necessarily be criminal
in nature if it doesn't, if it breaks the player
of conduct policy, and it's so heinous in this point
that you should be able to say to the player,
I'm sorry. We we can't let you come back. Like
we believe that we're protecting the shield, protecting the thirty
two brands in the NFL and the reputation of all
(31:20):
these it's not worth it for us. But clearly in
this case, the talent of Deshaun Watson outweighs whatever media hit,
whatever public perception the NFL or the Browns or anyone's
gonna take in this whole mess. I've never heard Ray
Rice reference referred to as what he did had predatorial
behavior connected to be allegedly think about it. I mean,
(31:43):
I'm just saying, just think about it. Anger issues, abusive, sure,
but predatorial, like I don't. I don't know. Maybe I'm
putting too much meaning on the word. They've got a
movie coming out. They've got a new Predator movie coming out,
and I don't. I saw the previous four looks good.
Like that's I mean, I know what you're saying. I
(32:07):
just think when I hear, like when I hear something
like having daughters, you know, or even even just thinking
about your children period, because it doesn't have to be
limited to a gender. If you're saying someone is exhibiting
predatorial behavior, that means they're hunting, they're hunting something, they're
(32:30):
hunting something down And to me, there there that is
that is tremendously damning. If you ask me like, so
we're we're employing it's okay to employ someone who exhibits
predatorial behavior. Wow, I mean that's kind of deep to me.
(32:51):
Just that might just be me though, I Mean, that's
just that's kind of Deep. Be sure to catch live
editions of Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with
Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knocks week days at
six am Easter three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio app. Yeah, Rock on Man
two Joe, Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas
(33:15):
knocks with you here. You can hang out with us
on the I Heart Radio app. You can find us
on hundreds of affiliates all across the country and wherever
you are making us a part of your Wednesday morning,
We appreciate you doing so. We will take you all
the way up through the end of the hour nine
am Eastern Time, six o'clock Pacific. Yeah, Fired Up. Our
three is the UFC intro music or used to be No.
(33:38):
But I know what you're talking about. Jonas wouldn't know
that you would. He would never over that man. That
song is also old that you just heard. It's called
Bald Tongue by Corn about it. Yeah, it's called bald Tongue.
Well the way I'm just saying that this is bald tongue. Yeah,
(34:01):
name of the song? What bald tongue? Oh? I see
the look on his face. Um, of course he does. Uh.
So we've we've got Roger Goodell talking. We've obviously talked
(34:22):
about the Deshaun Watson situation and the comments he had
to say about that. There was another scandal in the
NFL this offseason was the Dolphins um and the Tom
Brady and the Sean Payton and the punishment for that,
and then also Brian Flores's allegations saying that they were
(34:42):
bribing him to tank games. And so Roger Goodell spoke
about the findings when it came to that, this was
the commissioner yesterday. The games critically important. I think the
findings were very clear on the championing charges and you know,
well tank king clearly did not happen here. I think
(35:02):
we all have to understand that our words and our
actions have implications, can be interpreted. We have to be careful.
So Brady, I'm assuming, I mean everybody can move on now.
I mean, I don't know what what the issue is here.
I think everybody can move on from this. When it
comes to Brian flores allegations, there was no tanking. They
did a full deep dive into this and looked into
it and and as Roger Goodell said, Look, you got punished.
(35:24):
Steven Ross made some comments, but they weren't made in
a serious manner, and it feels like everybody's ready to
move on, don't you think? Yeah? I mean so Mike
Florio that seems to have a red ass for Roger
Goodell and this whole process. Maybe it's just Steven Ross.
I'm not sure who burned him, but um, you can't
seem to let it go. And the one thing staring
I think anyone out there who is looking at the
(35:47):
accusations of Brian Flores and the lawsuit that was filed
against him, why hasn't been successful or why they haven't
been able to find anything is there was no substantiated evidence.
And so I'm not gonna act like I know whether
or not Steven Ross said it in a serious manner
and it was documented necessarily because they don't have enough
evidence to prove otherwise. But I also am not ignorant
(36:10):
enough to to sit there and think that you should
go on a media tour upon filing a lawsuit that
doesn't have any substantiated evidence behind it and start proclaiming
this to be the case. If you can't prove it
because now this just falls, you know, on the floor
on deaf ears and people go, yeah, it was it
was a It was an accusation that was made. They
(36:31):
didn't have any mare behind it, even if it actually did, like,
even if it actually took place. And so the first
part of that is it was either it just fumbled
in regards to how it was portrayed and rolled out initially,
or they felt like that was their best shot of
gaining some momentum and some steam and validity to all this,
(36:52):
or even to get the NFL just to investigate this.
But regardless of all that, the thing that stands the
accusations are is a right in the face, and you
would think it's otherwise, and Mike Florial or anyone else
can deny it is. No player on any team is
going to tank. And so you could sit there and
say we had the organization hopes we have a better
job position next year. Sure, but that's not the guys
(37:14):
on the field what they're thinking. And any opportunity anyone gets,
they're gonna go out there and try to ball out
because they know incentivizes them to either make the team
or make any other team for that matter. Everything you
do in the field as part of your resume. And
that's and that's something that it's it's undeniable, and it's
it's one where even if a coach told you go
in there and tank, you're not gonna do it because
(37:35):
it's career suicide. And I don't think any player would
put his trust in an assistant coach or a coach
who had asked him to do that. And I don't
think a coach would ask them to do it because
the coach's job there would be career suicide. And I
think Brian Floores knew it, which is why you know,
even if it was true, he didn't fall through with it.
And and furthermore, no player would fall through with it.
So if you want to say, hey, they stacked the deck,
they played some younger players and all that, the hard
(37:56):
part is is that ended up, you know, not necessarily
being how the season turn it out. But even in
that reality, it's just you wouldn't see a player ever
risk their career to buy into this in the hopes
that what someone's gonna keep you around on the roster
like there's no chance of that because even if you
had made good with that team, because the owner or
someone in the front offices had asked you, uh to
(38:19):
you know, throw a game or you know, not play
up the par You're killing yourself and every opportunity for
anything after that team all the authority on other teams
that see that on film and they're gonna say, what's
up with that? And if that ever became public, your
career would be over aside from all the allegations that
would come along with it in regards to the the
gambling world or the gaming world. So there's obviously a
(38:40):
lot of layers to this, but it seems like this
is kind of a case, you know, shut closed, although
some people are still trying to keep it alive. You
ultimately have to add health to that list of things
that players won't try to sacrifice as well. You're not
you're not when you're tanking. That means that you're not
putting forward at maximum effort. And when you're not putting
(39:04):
forth the maximum effort, and you're probably dealing with a
team an opponent that they're putting foot forth their their
their best effort, you get hurt, you know, you get hurt,
and those those scenarios and and so to me, you know,
the whole tanking thing. I've I've always found that to
(39:25):
be strange because I don't think that in football, it's
one of those rare sports. Like you look at basketball,
you can tank. You can tank in basketball, and people
watch it take place. You'll see the best players sitting
out in street clothes, behind the bench or on the
bench watching other guys play. Thinking, but and unless unless
(39:49):
you take those players out that you believe give you
the best opportunity to win. Now, if Brian Flores could
show that that he wasn't dressing his starters for for
and and even if he couldn't prove directly that the
reasoning was tanking, people would sit there and be like, Okay,
(40:10):
I remember when all those dudes were sitting out, Why
why weren't they playing? You know, and and if they
weren't all hurt or you put them on say you
put them on a list where they weren't able to
play because of their health and stuff like that, well,
then now you there's records, so you gotta be you know,
you gotta be mindful of the fact that if you're
(40:33):
just holding guys out but they could have played, you
can go back to the to the records of what
what comes out of the training room as to what
was the seriousness of nature of what kept them out
of the game. So to me, you never saw anything
take place. And here's the word of the day that
was egregious enough to sit there and say you were
(40:55):
trying to tank games. If you have your starters in
the game, and those are the guys that are your starters,
were projected as your starters, there's no way you can
justify that that you're tanking games because those players is
Q just mentioned so well, they're not going to go
out there and risk their reputations, They're not going to
(41:17):
risk their jobs, they're not going to risk their health
on the merits of a coach saying, yeah, we need
to lose these games so that we can get uh,
Trevor Lawrence and in next year's draft. I'd be like,
Trevor Lawrence can bleep debleep debleep these bleep to debleep
to do bleeps, Like, ain't nobody worried about Trevor Lawrence.
(41:37):
I don't care. I don't give a good god darn
how good he is. So you're not going to get
guys grown ass men sitting there like, oh, yeah, let's
tank so we can get Trevor Lawrence so that we
can win. Like, ain't nobody doing that. There's a big
difference between tanking a game and sitting players because you
realize the season's over and maybe you don't want to
(41:59):
get anybody injured and you're moving forward and looking towards
the future. I think there's a big difference. And the
guys that you do put in the game, the backups,
what are they just gonna go ahead and sign up
and say, oh, yeah, we're backups. We're gonna go ahead
and follow the coaches que and we're gonna follow the
organization's que and we're gonna have asset and try And
no aren't. They're they're trying to make rosters elsewhere. They're
trying to put good, good stuff on tape to get
(42:21):
signed elsewhere. If it doesn't work with that current team,
that's why it doesn't make sense. And then there was
also this report that came out. Remember they had unequivocal
there was evidence, there was proof that he was instructed
and he was bribed a hundred thousand dollars. What happened
to that proof? Because I would think that the NFL
would take this allegation a lot more serious than they
would have tampering charge. Tampering it probably happens a lot
(42:45):
in the NFL, as much as they took it seriously,
I think they would take somebody tanking games with their
relationships with gambling sites and gambling companies and the integrity
of the game, as he pointed out, I think they
would look pretty deep into that to find out if
it was true and and try and kill it and
and nip it in the bud, so to speak, if
that were the case. I just I don't think. I
(43:06):
think this got a lot of attention early on. I
think a lot of people rallied around Brian Flores because
it was the trendy thing to do on social media.
And then ultimately you find out there wasn't enough there
for them to go down that road that he wanted
them to go down when it came to them, you know,
potentially tanking games in Miami. I don't be honest with
you too, I feel like this like this hurts progress
(43:29):
in regards to a lot of things that the NFL
is trying to improve upon, whether it's from diversity, hiring, etcetera.
You know, because there was a lot of racial implications
that came along with this. And this wasn't just I
mean it's not like that solely exist amongst minority coaches
in the NFL. I mean there's been you can you
can make the case that back in two thousand and eleven,
(43:52):
what was it, right when Andrew Luck was presumed to
be the number one overall pick the Colts? The whole
suck for Luck? Like that was that whole strategy a year, right,
the pain and Manning neck injury and all that. You know,
there was all those thoughts to you know, teams for
a long time trying to position themselves in the draft
in order to be able to, you know, get that
top quarterback. I mean that's why if I was the
(44:13):
NFL and I took and I took this serious, and
I thought it was a problem, I would just institute
a lottery. Like that kind of solves the issue because
even though it still happens in the NBA, and they'll
and they'll go to try to do that, it still
makes it really difficult to get that number one game
changer overall prospect. I mean, as good as some of
the top picks are in the NBA draft, they're still
(44:35):
and then obviously they can have a huge impact that
they come in and be the guy you hope they're
gonna be. It still doesn't like pan out oftentimes, and
in the NFL it's it's even even harder to do
that a because you've got, you know, ten other guys
on each side of the ball you're playing with, so
your impact is lessened. But even more than that, there's
so many variables that play a factor in the success
of any player with the situation circumstances to enter into.
(44:56):
So that's the hard thing too, is that I think
it it keeps us away from from buying into certain things.
When you know people make accusations and there's not as
much behind it, or you can't find as much behind it,
it becomes difficult, I think then to believe in the
next person where those accusations, where allegations could be true, right,
there might be damning evidence behind it, but people are like,
(45:17):
oh no, here we go again. And that's that's the
hard thing about this is too, Flores still in positioned
to get a settlement on this. You think settle out
of court, didn't he alright, it wasn't there some sort
of a settlement already there already a settlement. I thought
there wasn't there, or maybe because he took a job
with Pittsburgh that wiped it out. I don't know that
that he actually wipes it out and the lawsuits still
(45:40):
was active when he went to Pittsburgh. Well, I think
the hard thing is is if they can't prove it,
then he's gonna end up having to pay probably the
legal fees or whatever damages to to Steven Ross. Because
remember Ross is the one that called down and first
started talking about defamatory right, and when you start defaming
someone like there's a potential chance of a countersuit or
(46:01):
saying like, look we we won't you know, we won't
sue back because obviously nothing came from this, don't have
any evidence, but we'll decide not to see you back
and go our separate ways. But you're not getting anything
in severance. So there's a lot of different ways it
could go. But I'm not sure he got anything from
all that. Do you guys think? All? Right? So he
aired out the Dolphins obviously, he aired out the Giants
(46:22):
in their hiring process which started all this. He accused
John Elway and people with the Broncos of showing up
to his interview drunk. Yeah, and that don't you think
he's pretty fortunate to have a job right now in
the league, Like, seriously, when you air like everybody knows
each other, you've aired out four teams and made accusations like, hey,
(46:43):
the Broncos guys showed up drunk. That's that's pretty damning
in itself. But he's like he is a gig right
now in the league at all based on what he did,
don't you think? Yes, I wouldn't say that necessarily. I mean,
he's a good coach. He should have a job in
the league. He probably should be a head coach at
some point in time. I think it just comes down
to more, you know, the legal side of thing is
(47:05):
the legal side of things, you know, and so I'm
not gonna intertwine the two. Uh. The hard part again
is that you know, there just there wasn't anything behind
the accusations. There wasn't really any hard evidence, uh, to
to prove what he was claiming. And I think you
know he can He's still gonna have equity built up
with the coaches he knows in the community to get jobs.
(47:25):
But the next time he goes for a head coaching
interview outside of his his resume, which obviously he was
a winning football coach, especially if looking at you know,
his last couple of years there there's always gonna be
that concern of being guarded about anything you you say
and do around him, and and you know what he
may do in turn with that information. UM, so you
(47:45):
mentioned the lottery. Can we I just want to kick
the tires on this real quick. In the NBA, any
any team that doesn't make the playoffs, they go into
the lottery automatically. Is that how you would do it
in the NFL? Or would you just include like the
bottom five teams because anybody on the word you're making
the playoffs In the NFL, would you say, oh, I
don't want to be a seven seed, We'll just we'll
sit this one out and try and get into the lottery.
(48:07):
Would you do it just the bottom the teams have
finished last in their divisions? Like, how would you structure
this lottery? Brady ad Um? I don't know. It's tough.
It's tough to call because the one thing about um
not having the lottery that draws suspense is the ability
for a team to make a blockbuster trade to move up,
and that's part of the drama of the draft, and
that's part of the risk reward you take as an organization.
(48:30):
Two If if you're desperate enough, and you might find
a team that's sitting at the number one spot that
doesn't need a franchise quarterback, right, either the franchise quarterback
got injured or he's or he's young, right Jacksonville Jaguars
for example. Um, you know, you have the ability to
orchestrate a trade which ends up atting more drama to it,
you know if you. I mean, and maybe you you
still say, well, that's still a potential chance in a
(48:51):
lottery system. Sure, um, but I don't know. I mean,
I think that's the hard part is where do you
draw the line? You draw a five, draw a ten, um,
Because I think you could make a case that some
of the teams are drafting the top ten are still
bad football teams. They have been for a long time,
and you know, do you know, maybe some of those
are closer to being being a winning football team and
(49:11):
not being in that group. But I don't think I'm
gonna take you know, the other Uh, what's the math
that the eighteen teams fourteen now go to the playoffs.
So there are eighteen teams in a lottery that no,
no chance. That's way too many. They'd have to be
like five or ten or something like that. That would
be fun. It would be a lot of fun. Two
pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn, Jonah Knocks. Would you here,
Hosts And Creators
Brady Quinn
LaVar Arrington
Jonas Knox