August 11, 2023 • 43 mins
It’s a Football Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, and Jimmy G and Kyle Shanahan talk about life since their split last season. The Iowa-Iowa State gambling scandal continues to grow and Phil Mickelson’s gambling problem is wildly exaggerated.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar Airings and Brady Quinn and Jonas Knox
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Brady Quinn, how the hell are we on a Friday morning?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
We're doing great? I mean, it's it's It's just a
Friday morning. Is it any any Friday morning? Is that
how this works? Now?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I mean, I don't know, Like it's August eleventh.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Is there anything going on tonight that we should be
following in sports?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Like anything preseason games?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
And there's much of baseball going on. You got a
golf tournament in Hio this weekend? Oh you meet a
football Friday?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Okay, hey look at that?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Then come on, Brady, yeah swinging, yeah, spike it.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, it's a football Friday. Brady Quinn, what's wrong?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I mean, you asked for this, like this is this
is how this works behind the scenes. You asked for
this because true, you want to keep living back in
the nineteen eighties and nineteen nine.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
That is not that is not true. And I'm not
going to be criticized for being a throwback. You know,
I'm a throwback player.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
You know, to someone say old school, some people just
say old.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, it could have could have been that as well too.
But I'm one of those guys who while everyone's got
those Nike what are those really nice receiver gloves that
they catch with that just catch anything? What are they called?
You mentioned on the show one time.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
They're like, they.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Don't wear them anymore because they're not really around. But
they used to be called cutters.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Okay, Yeah, I wear Newman's That's what I am back
in the day. Yeah, well, neck roll like I've got
that little the nose blocker.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
On my next role as a wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, get it all dialed in. I might go cowboy
caller and neck roll lead to Lap used to wear
a cowboy caller because he kept knocking himself off breaking
wedges on kickoff in high school.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, and that probably that's true. What position did you play?
I played well on special linebacker, linebacker.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It was a linebacker, yes, and a center.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, so you needed to wear that I did. Jonas,
on the other hand, is claiming things that really weren't
necessary for a wide receiver. They want to you know,
I was sort of just distracting from the fact that
you once again got Iowa Sam to play that old
crappy version of Football Friday.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Sam, you clearly just weren't paying attention and you played
the wrong version.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Correct.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
Brady likes the new one. I well, I don't know
what's going on. Let me just say that when I
played that new one, I didn't know what was what
we were playing, what we were listening to. I was confused.
The old Football Friday song gives me comfort and joy,
and that's what we need.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
You know what, you know what it is with the
new one.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's that build up because you got a couple of
guys talking in a car and then the song gets hyped.
Like if you play the new one and you'll see
what's wrong with it. I feel like if we should
cut out the beginning and then just get straight to
the hyped part, it would sound better.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Get right here, Well it's Friday, then, yeah, that right there.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
This is what means jumping. This is what you need
on a Friday.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
What is this?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, it's like a TikTok video.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Don't worry about it's a Pantera remix.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
This is what they gambled to an Iowa.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, they they got slot machine levers on the side
of silos in Iowa.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
That's just they do.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
That's what they got to the bars to do.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Football.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
This is Friday. This is the one that's trying to
make it no football front.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, Brady, was this the song they were playing when
you and LeVar were working out of the broom closet
in Iowa at that bar when you guys were in
Iowa City, I believe.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Back in the day.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, there was something like that.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Think it was definitely playing the night before. I don't
think it was playing that early in the morning.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
There, be careful. You don't want to piss people off here.
You don't want to misrepresent a hotel, not a bar. Well,
there's bar inside of it.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
But we were trust me, you try to debate this
with us when we were the ones there doing this.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I helped build that place, all right, not.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Really, but we built this city built. I was sitting
I'm not good, all right, So let's have a fun
little discussion here about somebody who may have stepped in it.
A few months back, Kyle Shanahan, the head coach of
the forty nine Ers, was asked at the end of
the season if he envisioned any way whatsoever of Jimmy
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Garoppolo returning to be the quarterback for the Niners, and
he just quickly said absolutely not, no shot in hell whatsoever,
which we talked about at the time, pretty abrupt ending
to what's been a pretty successful run between Kyle Shanahan
and Jimmy Garoppolo and the forty nine Ers. And so
Kyle Shanahan talked yesterday as they finished up joint practices
(05:04):
with the Raiders and Jimmy Garoppolo, and they've got a
preseason game, which don't worry about it. We gambled on
it and actually made our picks. You can listen to
that on the podcast that happened last hour here on
the show. That'll be posted up shortly after our show.
But here was the forty nine Ers head coach talking
about those comments that he made about Jimmy Garoppolo and
his time with Jimmy.
Speaker 8 (05:24):
G I think I've talked about his legacy. I think
Jimmy was unbelievable for us. We won lots of games.
I think that was a simple question as our scenario
will hit be back here next year, and I gave
a common sense answer, and no, I think that was
a little overblown on trying to be a shot at him.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Or anything.
Speaker 8 (05:41):
I mean, we knew Jimmy wasn't coming back on his
standpoint and our standpoint financially and everything, So that was
just the common sense answer. But anytime I've been asked
about Jimmy and what he meant to us and how
he was, I've never said it differently. So Jimmy was
unbelievable here. I think he was the best quarterback here
in about twenty years since Steve Young as an unbelievable record,
and every time he played and stayed healthy, you're either
(06:02):
in the Super Bowl or NFC Championship game. So I
hope no one insinuates I've ever said differently.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Why does Kyle Shanahan sound like he's out of breath?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I mean, he could have been working on like an
air Dyne bike before he popped up to baby.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Did you notice that?
Speaker 7 (06:16):
Though?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Did it? Is it me? Or did he soun out
of breath?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Normally, when you're out of breath, it's because you know
that you're about to have an uncomfortable conversation. And I
wonder if he wasn't if this was something that he
wasn't planning on having to revisit, because it's not like
he apologized for it or took it back. He said, well,
it's a pretty common sense answer. Yeah, But if the
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run was that great with the guy and the relationship
was that great, I feel like you wouldn't be so
abrupt about, oh, no, no way, whatsoever, will be back.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
And that's kind of thirty.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Eight and seventeen during the course of the regular season
or his time there. Yep, what I mean. When you
hear those numbers, you're like, man, it's kind of odd
they'd want to move on from a guy like that
who was that successful. And then if you look at
the other quarterbacks who've played there, I mean, pretty the
short sample size of play has played well, we'll see
what it looks for an entirety of a season. I
(07:11):
just I can't get it with the fact that Jimmy
Garoppolo is there six years. It doesn't feel like he
was there that long. Maybe it's because of the injuries
and the time he missed, but it's like, I feel
like it wasn't that long ago that he was being
traded to the forty nine ers, and he's kind of
played almost immediately when it got there, Like, is it
crazy to think that he was there for six years.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
No, I think that. I mean a lot has changed,
obviously with the injuries and everything that took place there,
and it feels like the forty nine ers have gone
through a lot in that time. They've been a Super
Bowl contender. They lost him one year. They were not
a good football team. But I can remember you and
I were working together when the trade was made. It
was on Halloween night they did the deal. It was
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only a second round pick in return, and I think
it was you that talked with Shanahan and Shannon and
wasn't a totally believer. And then he put him into
those games right right, and he wanted.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
To play him. I mean, John Lynch had bought into,
you know, what Jimmy Garoppolo could be, and Kyle Shanahan's
response was like, we need to see him play. And
so in that first season, and that was back in
twenty seventeen, you know, he ended up starting five games.
They won those those five games. He was kind of
as advertised for a guy who literally is being thrown
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into the fire. And the next year is in the
year where he only had a few starts and got
hurt and was out the rest of the season, and
obviously they struggled, but then he came back in twenty
nineteen and that well, that was a Super Bowl year run, right, Yeah, yeah,
I mean they went thirteen and three, and you know,
he played phenomenal. He really played really well that year.
(08:48):
But everyone kind of challenges obviously the fact that, you know,
they didn't feel like he did enough in the postseason.
But I think he was a little bit banged up
in that postseason, right, wasn't it his thumb or something
that got impacted.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, he was never he never really was ever totally healthy,
and I would argue last year was maybe his best
year and he wasn't even projected to be there. Like
he kind of bailed them out, Like everyone focuses on
brock Party and Trey Lance went down with a gruesome injury.
Garoppolo came in mid game and they didn't lose any stride.
In fact, they got better. They bailed them out, But
(09:22):
the conversation was we can't get rid of them fast
enough afterwards.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Just odd it was, And I think I understand there's
some contractual things too that may have played a role.
And maybe that's why Kyle Shanahan said, that's so quick
as he knew where Jimmy g stood because of all
that before the season, and obviously they traded up to
take Trey Lance, so it was what it was. But
there was probably a lot of Hey, we know the
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situation we're both in. Let's just try to win games,
get through the season, and that's you know, how they
both operated moving forward. So it look it was a
little bit awkward, But at the end of the day,
Jimmy Garoppolo moves on. He's in Las Vegas, he's in
as system he's familiar with, with a coach he's familiar with,
and I think the fort Nitis feel good about where
(10:06):
they're at with Brock Purty at least being the guy.
And if not him, you got Darnold. There's a backup
and maybe Trey Lance for this year, depending on, you know,
what happens with him this this, you know, training camp
or preseason.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Kyle Shannan close to twenty games under five hundred without
Jimmy Garoppolo's quarterback, so like that that should tell you something.
But yeah, it's just one of those things where for
whatever reason, you know, his decision to have the surgery.
I don't know if that pissed some people off. But
now Garoppolo's with the Raiders, and you know, you got
Max Crosby with the Raiders, who was you know, talking
(10:39):
about how he's sick of this team not being a
playoff team, that that's what he plays in the league
for and works as hard as he can for.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
And it's like, all.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Right, well, if you're sick about being a playoff team,
you're not gonna feel all that great at the end
of the year. I don't see any way whatsoever that
the Raiders are contending for a playoff spot this year.
I just don't see it. It feels like it's a mess.
Josh Jacobs thing is a mess, and it feels like
Garoppolo is the plan now. And if they're picking high
up at the draft, you know, maybe it's a Drake
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may or Caleb Williams. It just feels like this team
is completely different from the team that had some high
hopes last year when DeVante Adams was brought in and
they had Darren Waller and Carr and all that. To me,
they've only gotten worse since they got rid of Derek Carr.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I think there's elements of that. I just think they're
trying to get this team back to a spot where
they feel like they've got the right pieces in the
right places. And you know, clearly, whatever you want to
say about the disconnect between Josh McDaniel's Derek Carr, you know,
first year in assystem, especially a system like that, puts
a lot on your plate. It felt like it was
a tough transition. And even though Carr had the you know,
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chemistry and history playing with Devanta Adams and then Devontae
had a great year and he'll have another great year
this year, it just didn't seem to work out quite
as well. I just I kind of go back to, though,
the downfield passing game that you know, I think they
had a little more of with Carr than they will
with Jimmy g It's gonna be a different offense, it's
gonna be a different style of play. And to your point,
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I'm not sure what to expect because I still feel
like the Raiders are trying to rebuild from what they
took over after the John grudenerra there, and so I
still feel like they're trying to kind of build back
up this roster to get to a point where they
can be competitive and what should be a pretty competitive
AFC West.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So the Raiders to make the playoffs are a plus
three eighty on DraftKings.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, so plus three eighty on DraftKings.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I wouldn't take that just because I don't think there's
enough value.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
No, there's not at all, but there.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I would handicap them, probably closer to plus six hundred.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Okay, so for my count, and again I'm looking at
this now on DraftKings, there are three teams that have
worse odds to make the playoffs, or greater odds if
you will, that they're seeing as bigger long shots to
make the playoffs according to DraftKings. Who would you guess
those three teams are that.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Have greater odds in the entire NFL or just the
entire NFL. Okay, obviously Arizona.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yes, Arizona's plus eleven hundred, which if you're playing at home,
that means ten bucks wins you a lear Jet. If
the Cardinals make the playoffs, that's how that works. That's
how bad they're going to be.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I think that's how the math works out.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
But okay, so the Cardinals are one, this is tough.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I will say the Texans, the Houston Texans, or another.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
The Houston Texans are sitting right now at plus four
seventy five to make the playoffs. And there's one more
that's worse than the rain.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
You Washington Commandos.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
No, the Commanders are plus three hundred. Okay, this next
one is kind of surprising. But if you think about
just sort of I guess the messaging from their coach
and decision making at quarterback from their coach throughout the
course of the week, it kind of makes some sense.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
And I think you.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Called your shot, Bay, that is correct plus four hundred.
So Baker Mayfield finds himself in another tough spot according
to the odds here.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
And by the way, that's I could.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I could get the Raiders in the division and the
conference are at the Buccaneers are in a winnable division,
and still they're that much of a long shot to
make the play.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
And they still have they still have a good roster. Yes,
you know, it's not like I don't know anyway, I
just it's a bit surprising me. I would probably handicap
some those teams a little different.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
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Speaker 2 (14:42):
App So along with conference realignment and nil Brady Quinn
as we get ready for the college football season, which
again is kicking off right around the corner and in
fact in Dublin, Ireland. I'm not again not sure if
you're aware that Notre Dame and Navy, well.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
That's right in week zero. Yeah, a rescheduling conflict from
from the COVID year. They were supposed to play over
in Dublin, Ireland back then, but it got kicked at
twenty twenty three. So fortunately, uh, you know, it kind
of worked out where where now they play this year?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah, and a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
It's a lot of fun. I'll bet the atmosphere is
going to be great. You know, anybody attending that, you know?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
How about this? Did? Do you?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Do?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
You know many comedians are you? Are you big into
like the comedy world?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I know a few? Okay, Yeah, So.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Shane Gillis, who's absolutely.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Hilarious, Yeah, taboz he does.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
He's good. He's a good time. He'll be over there.
He's got a couple of shows going on Yeah, that's
That's one of the cooler things he's able to do
is he can kind of set up wherever he wants
to go do shows around one of football games he
wants to attend. And he's a big Notre Dame fan,
so he will be over there doing shows in Dublin,
Ireland and Thursday and Friday night before the game.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Does he really schedule his tour around games he wants
to attend.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, I mean, in essence, you could do that. I mean,
first off, they're both sold out, and second like, you
can do that when you're as popular as he is
and as funny as he is. So should be a
good time. Hopefully people who are over there are gonna
have the opportunity to go, you know those.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Two nights you know, he listen, make sure your passports
and all that are, you know, are all dialed in,
you know, when they want to have everything buttoned up,
don't have any issues or anything like that when you
head over there.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Mom.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
But no, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what
what Lebar has to do with that. But again, Iowa,
Sam's just kind of pulling the strings here behind the scenes.
So but yeah, it should be a good time. You know,
I've heard Testo may be playing or dj Tsto as
you call him, Brady Quinn.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I would not call him djts No, that's very cringeworthy.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
That's all right.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
But the point is college football is right around the corner,
and I'll look at that. More players being charged in
the Iowa Iowa State gambling investigation.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
What do you know?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
And this time we've got multiple starters. We've got multiple
players betting on games they participated in against t Yes,
you got you got one guy that had so little
faith in his team that he bet on Texas on
the money line and Texas got blown out and he
was partly he.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Took the spread on that one. I thought he was
taking Texas plus six and a half.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I thought it was the money line. But again, either way,
you bet against the team you play for in a
game you played in and you lost, so that feels
like it should be double the punishment.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
This one, he lost the bet.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Iowa State was a six and a half point favor
versus Texas and they ended up winning thirty to seven.
In this case, this player did have a tackle in
the game. However, he lost the bet. My understanding was
he took Texas in the points, which I don't want
to get into semantics. You bet against your team. If
it's money line, it's incredibly damning. If it's points, it's like, well,
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Iowa State could have won. He just thought it was
gonna be a closer game, even though he was playing
at it. So maybe during his time when he was
researching his opponents and what they were going up against,
he was like, oh man, this is gonna be a
tight game. I think we're gonna win, but we probably
won't win by over six and a half.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
So if we were goofing about, okay, Well, one of
the players involved was a kicker for Iowa.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
He was a backup kicker. He didn't really have any
impact on the game.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Dude, just insider knowledge.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
These are like Iowa States starting running back Dryl Brock,
he's involved. You got other players who have been starters,
they're involved. Like You've got like this is this one's
bad man. This is not goof around because Calvin Ridley
bet on some seventeen parlays. This is bad. This is
on your team, impacting your team. You got players that
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have transferred elsewhere. You got a guy that's in the
NFL for the Broncos. Now who was involved in this.
This is the worst one that we've seen flare up
when it comes to gambling, especially in the world of football.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
This is the worst one so far.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
It's upsetting in a multitude of ways. I mean, the
first being the fact that you know, when you have
a player that bets against his own team, it really
makes you, you know, look at what's his prerogative, Like
it's like serious sake, Why is he there? Is he
there to help them win games? Help them win? You know,
maybe in this case if it's if it's Iowa State
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a Big twelve championship, if it's Iowa Big Ten championship,
But why is he there? Is it just to try
to make money and get to the NFL if he
can through nil? Does he care about the educational component?
Does he care about his reputation? There's there's so many
questions I have because I think what you're seeing, at
least in respect to the gambling world and how it's
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at least with these stories, has impacted football players at Iowa.
Iowa State is I feel like if they don't feel
like they a shot of winning anything, they're like, all right,
I'm just trying to make whatever money I can with
the advantage that I have playing so I'm able to
see what's going to happen. I can lay some beds,
hopefully make some money, have an edge on the market,
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and then move on if no one catches me to
the NFL or the rest of my life, because they
don't have that greater thing that they're they're chasing and
trying to go go after. And then the irony to
saying that is we had Iowa playing in the Big
Ten championship game last year, Like it wasn't like they
didn't have the opportunity to do something significant. What Michigan
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didn't beat Iowa last year?
Speaker 4 (20:36):
It was two years ago. Last year's Purdue losing two.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Years that's right, two years ago, tw years are You're right?
But well, and still they sort a chance at the
end of the season, didn't they.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Yes, yeah, if they had not lost in Nebraska at home,
they would have been the West champs.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
So like, I still don't really understand why all this
is going on. It's not like, you know, Iowa in
this case wasn't competitive. Even Iowa stayed in some instances
has been competitive where they might have been able to
have a shot. You know, last year probably you know,
wasn't that a great example of that? But I just
I wonder if that's what's factoring into these kids' heads,
like outside of the fact they're young. And when you're young,
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you're dumb. You make mistakes, you make poor decisions that
you're thinking more in the short term, not the long term,
and you don't think about if you get caught. You
think about the reward, not the risk. That tends to
be young people. The older you get, the more you
think about risk and anything you do, whether it's before
you become a parent, when you become a parent, you
start to measure things differently. Where you're we're much more
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risk adverse when you're young, like you don't think about
the stupid stuff you could do and the repercussions for it.
But now you're getting to a point where, I mean,
when you're talking about betting against your team and you
played in that game, that's criminal.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
That's dirty, man, Well.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
That's something dirty. It takes you back to the days
like did BC have like a betting scandal one.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Of the point shaving you fixing games in the game,
and again you.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Go back to teams that aren't necessary gonna be relevant
in the grand scheme of winning a national championship because
the odds are you know, and the risk is too high.
And I think those kids they're not focused on that anyway.
Like the kids who are going to go play at
other places where they have a legit shot every year
competing for a national championship, they don't even factor into
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their brain to go out and take that insider not
you know, insider you know information and go gamble. They're like, no,
no chance, I'm not gonna hurt my teams chance to
win a national championship. If you're on any one of
these teams that they kind of feel like is irrelevant
or there's out there playing games. I could see it
factoring into their head more of using the insider information.
They have an advantage if they can gamble, to bet now,
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to bet against your own team, though that that's just dirty,
Like that's one where like you kick the kid off,
you suspend them, you allow them to face whatever punishment
he gets because you're breaking trust, you're breaking bonds, you're
breaking laws, you're breaking a lot of things that you
just can't afford to have that ever ever in college
football and it's sport for that matter.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I just I can't imagine. And look, I did a
lot of dumb things when I was eighteen to twenty
two years old.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yeah we all did.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
But still though that this one feels like I would
at least know this is not good, Like this is
not right, you should not be doing this, Like I
think I would still have a sense of this is
not an okay thing to do. And if you're a
loyal teammate, and your teammate and the bond you have
with your teammates is everything, you're not going to do
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something knowing that it's disrespectful to them. And you're screwing
over a lot of people who are pouring their heart
and soul into this because you've got money and some
you know, two hundred dollars bet that you've made through
the equipment manager or whoever it was to put together
these bets like this just this feels like and I
(23:54):
don't know when it ends, because it seems like, Okay,
we've reached our end, and now more players continue to
come out, more players. It's almost like they're they're slow
playing this and just releasing a couple here and a
couple there. But this element of it I think may
even be worse than you know what we saw with
Hunter Deckers, who was a quarterback for them, because this
is multiple players. This is players, managers, people who have transferred.
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You got one guy, Let me getcause there's so many
names involved here. Arlen Bruce the fourth, who's a former
Iowa player who bet on the under on two games
back in twenty twenty two. Last year, he bet the
under against Northwestern lost by the way thirty seven and
a half. Shock, Yeah, shocking, it is shocking. See also
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he also on the right side. He definitely was. And
I don't know how any of you spent your New
Year's Eve. He spent his New Year's even Nashville, Tennessee.
Great spot from what I hear, but there was while
there was a football game going on. It was the
Music City Bowl. He also bet the under on that.
The under was thirty thirty one and a half and
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he did end up winning that game because Iowa won
their bowl game twenty one to nothing.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
So well, but he knew exactly what the Iowa defense
was bringing. Come on, Sam, come on to Sam. Correct
take the under more often than not. Do you not
what the Hawkeyes uh lately?
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean there was a there was
a time when Iowa could score touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
And Will Lewis didn't play in that game. Correct, No,
he did not know? Yeah so so I mean that
was a lot of guys that did not play. That
was that was a smart.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Pay Hey, let's not take away, okay from what Iowa accomplished.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Two of their touchdowns in that game were defensive touchdowns.
They scored one offensive touchdown the Music City Bowl.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Okay, Sam, we get it. But there's takes two to tango.
It's not all just about the offense not scoring. Sometimes
it's about the defense to shutting out the other side,
which the Iowa defense has been known for that.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
All right, yeah, all right, So let's be honest here
and and I'm half kidding, but I do think there's
this is a possibility. Do you think Kirk Farence, head
coach of Iowa, and his son Brian Farrence, the offensive coordinator,
do you think at some point during the course of
the season, to try and get the offense motivated, they say, listen,
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you know what people think about you. They think you're
so bad that they're betting against you, and they're part
of this locker room in years past. Why do you
think about that? And you guys get it in Gear.
I would absolutely pull that card to get them motivated,
especially if I'm Brian Farrens and I've got money on
the line, because there's kickers in my contract that if
we score certain amount of points that I'm gonna get
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paid more. I'm using everything I can to get my
team motivated. I don't care. This is all above board.
The investigation has been gone through. We know we had
a bunch of scumbags in our locker room. Let's start
airing people out for being degenerate gamblers and use it
a positive way to get our offense and gear. That's
the move. What do you think about that, Brady Quinn?
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That's how you get people fired up.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I bet I don't think it is fired up. I'd
be like, what, Yeah, we're doing what.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Our own guys are betting against us. That's how bad
we've been on offense. Well, how do you know that?
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Coach? Like, who's who's Land Betts down here? Who is it?
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Frankie? Is it? Will? Hey? You remember Arland the fourth
Ramon Who's who's betting against us right now? Is a cad.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Do you think there's more that come out of this
Cooper who's betting against us? Do you think there are
more names of this Iowa Iowa state scandal?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I don't know. Maybe. I mean, I look, I don't
want to call it a scandal. I know there was
some organization to it in some cases, right was it
a Hunter Decker or someone's using his mom's account she
was placing the bets. I mean, there's Look, there's there's
gonna be some poor decisions that are made as gambling
rolls out state by state nationwide. You're going to have
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bad actors. You're gonna have people who try to rig
the system or you know, find a way around it.
That's just how things always work. It doesn't matter what industry,
what you're talking about. I don't know that this is
like as wide as rampant as some of the other
actual gambling schemes that we've seen have gone on through
the years. But you know, again, I'm hoping it doesn't
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become a distraction. College football is awesome, and I would
hate to see a team like Iowa who has a
legitimate shot of competing this year with some of the
moves they've made, be you know, distracted by all of this.
Hopefully they're there. They've got their eyes on the prize,
and that prize is not winning a gambling bed.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
All right.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
So I'm gonna ask you a question here, all right,
and we're going to do it in a gambling term
just to really round out.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
The entire discussion.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Should need some music though, Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Sam, can we get some music here? Is there like
an Iowa folk song that they use while they're making
crop circles? Anything you just off the top of your head,
you can roll with that. Somebody created in a barn
with some sort of a mixtape somewhere in Iowa.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
So they create mixtapes in barns, by the way, ye Sam?
Is that is that how that works?
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Like?
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Do they just in a barn on a bail of
hay and make a mix tape?
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Yeah? The acoustics are great.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
You know, there's like a pitchfork bang against the side
of the wall in the background. Like it's awesome. Man,
let me tell you, that's where a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Of great like the cow in the background.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
All that stuff. Yeah, who needs a bass drum? You
just have your buddy go cow tipping while they're sleeping. Yeah,
all of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
That's it's probably better that damn cats in the flight with.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Now do you think if anybody was flying to Dublin
for the start of college football, do you think they
would experience a cat on a flight like that?
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Or probably not?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
No, because the Irish won't allow cats over there. Okay, geez,
only dogs.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
It's like that.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Huh Yeah, all right, here's here's what I preface this
real quick.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Yeah, why do you complicate things?
Speaker 6 (29:48):
Well, you asked me to pick a folk song that
is near and.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Why are you complicating things?
Speaker 6 (29:54):
I just want to say the world, this is the game.
This is the song that people play at the end
of an when they win a game. It's called the
Iowa Victory PoCA, also known as Heaven.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
There is no beer.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
This is great.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
So I'm gonna play this. I don't want Iowa fans
getting mad at me. I'm just playing it just for
the bit, all do a world traveler.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
They got bigger problems to worry about, all right, So,
Brady Quinn, here's what I got for you to celebrate
the degenerate gambling of the Iowa Hawk guys and the
Iowa State Cyclones. I've got an over under for you,
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over under ten dollars on the average bet that Jarill
Brock made the Iowa State starting running back.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Over that you're over yeah over.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Darrell Brock placed one thousand, three hundred and twenty seven online.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Oh jeez, okay, I don't think you bet that much then.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Totaling twelve thousand and fifty dollars, averaging out just to
shade over nine dollars. Event So congratulations Jarrell Brock. You
at least are a man of the people. One of
those under ten dollars betters my kind of people there.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
That probably cateagorizes as a gambling problem.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Oh he's kind a degenerate, punky gambler.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I mean about it. But somebody needs to get that
young help.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Well, you a gambling publom by the way, he needs
some milk. I believe if you've if you've got more
online wagers then you do rushing attempts in your college
football career or rushing yards, that would be a problem.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
That seems like it would be a little.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Bit I'm just trying to explain to you As this
becomes more prevalent, you're going to be getting guys who
aren't playing and they're seeing other guys make nil money
or they're seeing other guys, you know, get more attention
and potentially go to the league. They're gonna be saying
to themselves like, I gotta find a different angle to
make some money. Yeah, and that's that's one of the
ways you can do it.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, who wants to drive an uber? You know, open
up with a gambling account and start betting it gets
your own team.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
What a disaster. So there it is.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
There's your your preview of the Syhawk Bowl coming up here.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
In another or so.
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Speaker 2 (33:36):
Hey, how about your buddy Phil Mickelson. Huh, you know,
just man of the people likes to place a wager
or two.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
You know, according someone to say more than just a wager.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
It's according to I call shenanigans on this story, by
the way, but according yeah, according to pro gambler Billy Walters.
He's got this new book coming out called Gambler Secrets
from a Life of Risk. He reports that Phil Mickelson
bet over one billion dollars on football, baseball, and basketball
over the last three decades.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Come on, man, like.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I've heard of exaggerating a billion dollars? Really like a
billion dollars on football, basketball, and baseball. It just like
that to me, feels like it's somebody who's really trying
to exaggerate something to sell some books, Like I'll give
you five hundred million, Okay, I'm willing to work with
(34:29):
five hundred million. A billion dollars is a significant amount
of money, and I just don't know where Phil Ncholson
would have come up with a billion dollars over thirty years.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Well, the first thing you have to ask yourself is
is Phil Michelson worth a billion dollars? Because I mean,
is he potentially over the years gambled more than what
his worth is? Now? There are some estimates up there
with his you know, different business dealings, maybe some different trades,
which I think at one point he was accused of
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side are trading. Yeah, it's harmless, right, I don't know,
I mean, he's he It might be a slight exaggeration.
Even if it is, there is still a lot of
gambling going on, And look, we could laugh about it,
but he's admitted he's got a problem and he is
seeking help. And look, it's gonna be a fascinating book.
(35:20):
I'd love to hear some of the stories. I think
a lot of guys who play golf. Understand it's it's
a lot more gambling intensive than most realize. And first,
for some of these guys who are really good at golf,
they need that money on the line. They need that
putt that's worth thousands of dollars, hundreds of thousands of
dollars in some cases, they need it to matter in
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order to feel the pressure and get that adrenaline rush.
That's how some of these golfers operate, or how their
their brain is wired. So I could definitely see how
it could get to that point and he could have
a problem like that, But a billion dollars on betting
on other sports. That's what's crazy to me, is like
you got a real problem, Like if it was one
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thing he was gambling on himself and his games and
different knowledge he has of actually the golf world, which
I believe he was accused of gambling on the Ryder Cup,
which which he has stated that that wasn't the case
outside of maybe some wagers that were made on the course,
which is typical. But like other sports that you don't have,
(36:22):
as you know, in depth knowledge on or maybe experience with,
That's what's a little bit surprising to me.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
So there was I guess, citing betting records and quote
two very reliable sources, This guy, Billy Walters, says that
from twenty ten to twenty fourteen, Michelson made eight hundred
and fifty eight bets of two hundred twenty thousand dollars
and one thousand, one hundred and fifteen bets of one
(36:50):
hundred and ten thousand dollars. Now, if you just took
those bets right there, that's.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
A lot of money.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
You're still about seven one hundred million dollars short.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Give or take.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Like you're like, you're still kind of pretty far away
from getting to that one billion dollar mark. I just
I don't see how there's any possible way that Michelson.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Bet a billion dollars on this.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
All right, And Phil Mickelson, you know, you mentioned the
gambling issues that he's talked about in the past. So
in last June June of twenty twenty two, this stuff
came out and Phil Michelson was asked about this story
from Sports Illustrated talking about this, and Michelson said, you know,
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he responded to a post on social media and said, quote,
haven't gambled in years. Almost a billionaire now thanks for asking.
So he's, you know, he just did twisted the knife
a little bit, and maybe he knew that this was
part of the story that was going to come out,
and so he's playing, you know, having some fun with it.
But one of the other portions of this book that
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he's being accused of is that apparently he called Billy
Walters from the site of the Ryder Cup back in
twenty twelve and was trying to place a four hundred
thousand dollars bet on the Ryder Cup and.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Bill, by the way, on the US team, we esfy that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
On the US team that he was a part of,
and Billy Walters was saying, no, are you serious?
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Do you do?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
You know what happened to Pete Rose. He doesn't know
if Phil was able to get the bet in, but
he knows that he didn't take the bet from Phil Nicholson. Again,
I find that part a little suspect would.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
He didn't take the bet was made.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I find it a little suspect that he was willing
to let that bet go elsewhere and he wouldn't be
a part of it. I'll let you bet, but I
don't feel good about it.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
It's like Okay, Well, maybe because he thought the US
would win too.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Well, yeah, I mean yeah, but he wouldn't he want
to place that wager because they were gambling buddies like
I would assume that maybe he would. You know, if
Phil felt that confident about it'd be like, all right,
did I'll ride you like no pun intended, I'll ride
you on the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Let's roll with it.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Micholson respect to that allegation and said, quote, I never
bet on the Ryder Cup. While it is well known
that I always enjoy a friendly wager on the course,
I would never undermine the integrity of the game. I've
also been very open about my gambling addiction. I have
previously conveyed my remorse, took responsibility, have gotten help, have
been fully committed to therapy, and has have positively impacted me,
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and I feel good about where I am now. So
you need to tell me a guy who may or
may not have spent close to a billion dollars gambling
he's never placed a bet since he's just good to go.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Well, I'm not believing that. I mean, look, there's there's
no way. I mean, I think I saw somewhere too
on social media he was like, I think it was
with Bryce and d Chambeau. He had placed like a
bet they did like a front and back and overall bet.
I mean it was on Camery talked about it. That
was recent, So I'm not so sure that's the case.
Maybe he's talking about kind of outside of it sports betting,
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you know, through a sports book, bookie, what have you.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
It's hard to believe the front back and overall bet.
It's like, hey, we've been playing one round of golf. Yeah,
we can get three bets out of this.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Oh yeah, well yeah, but that's pretty standard. I meanybo
who plays golf would tell you there's a front back
and overalls.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
What's the best wager?
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Not that you gamble on golf or anything like that,
but if you had to give so somebody that wants
a quick hitter, you just go holes, like you'll bet
on the first hole, second hole, because you can do
that on certain sports books. But when you're playing in person,
friendly wager closest to the pin, what are we looking at?
Speaker 4 (40:31):
That's a fun No.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
No, you do you do a front back and overall
you usually it's a match play, it's not a stroke play,
So you do it. Based on you know, you know,
if you win the hole or not, or if you
push the hole. But typically there's a front back and
overall bet, right, so there's three separate bets, and then
what you do is you have to decide whether or
not you want to be able to press. And what's
pretty standard in most you know, most the golf world,
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I should say, is two down, meaning if you get
two holes down, the team who's losing its to automatic press,
and then that opens up another bet. And then the
phrase I always like is you know, press if you're
pissed off, so you know you can you can go
ahead after you lose a hole, and you have to
lose a whole in order to be able to press.
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But if you're you're ticked off, you're gonna gohead and press.
So that kind of opens you up to maybe some
some more bets alongside of it, but typically that is
the front back overall two down automatic press is like
the vernacular you'd hear on a golf course that most
people play.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Now I'm gonna list what I believe and I don't
have this on authority, like this.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
Is not confirmed.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Just Google source system.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Okay, no, no, no, come on you know this is
all yeah, all off the top of my head as
well too. I'm gonna take a guess as to what
Phil Mickelson's favorite golf courses are in America, and I'm
gonna see if you can identify my favorite golf courses. Yeah,
in America, and I'm gonna see if you can identify
what these all have in common. I'm gonna list three
or four of these, and then at the end of it,
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I want you to just tell me what you think
they all have in common. All right, The Harvester Club,
Glen Oaks Country Club, Wakanda Club, Spirit Hollow, and one more.
Let's see if you can guess this, the Des Moines
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Golf and Country Club. What do you think they all
have in common?
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Brady Coin, there's a casino a part of it or around.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
No, they're all in the state of Iowa. That's my
guess is those would all be Phil Michelson's favorite golf
courses if we had to list the top.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Five or six played any of those courses.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Nope, Okay, definitely this and I couldn't confirm that, but
that's just my best guess here.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
We're really working in a lot of Iowa materials.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
To that it's too much better recap in the Viking
Seahawks game.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
So there's that.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Brady Quinn, how the hell are we on a Friday morning?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
We're doing great? I mean, it's it's It's just a
Friday morning. Is it any any Friday morning? Is that
how this works? Now?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I mean, I don't know, Like it's August eleventh.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Is there anything going on tonight that we should be
following in sports?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Like anything preseason games?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
And there's much of baseball going on. You got a
golf tournament in Hio this weekend? Oh you meet a
football Friday?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Okay, hey look at that?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Then come on, Brady, yeah swinging, yeah, spike it.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, it's a football Friday. Brady Quinn, what's wrong?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I mean, you asked for this, like this is this
is how this works behind the scenes. You asked for
this because true, you want to keep living back in
the nineteen eighties and nineteen nine.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
That is not that is not true. And I'm not
going to be criticized for being a throwback. You know,
I'm a throwback player.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
You know, to someone say old school, some people just
say old.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, it could have could have been that as well too.
But I'm one of those guys who while everyone's got
those Nike what are those really nice receiver gloves that
they catch with that just catch anything? What are they called?
You mentioned on the show one time.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
They're like, they.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Don't wear them anymore because they're not really around. But
they used to be called cutters.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Okay, Yeah, I wear Newman's That's what I am back
in the day. Yeah, well, neck roll like I've got
that little the nose blocker.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
On my next role as a wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, get it all dialed in. I might go cowboy
caller and neck roll lead to Lap used to wear
a cowboy caller because he kept knocking himself off breaking
wedges on kickoff in high school.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, and that probably that's true. What position did you play?
I played well on special linebacker, linebacker.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It was a linebacker, yes, and a center.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, so you needed to wear that I did. Jonas,
on the other hand, is claiming things that really weren't
necessary for a wide receiver. They want to you know,
I was sort of just distracting from the fact that
you once again got Iowa Sam to play that old
crappy version of Football Friday.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Sam, you clearly just weren't paying attention and you played
the wrong version.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Correct.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
Brady likes the new one. I well, I don't know
what's going on. Let me just say that when I
played that new one, I didn't know what was what
we were playing, what we were listening to. I was confused.
The old Football Friday song gives me comfort and joy,
and that's what we need.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
You know what, you know what it is with the
new one.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's that build up because you got a couple of
guys talking in a car and then the song gets hyped.
Like if you play the new one and you'll see
what's wrong with it. I feel like if we should
cut out the beginning and then just get straight to
the hyped part, it would sound better.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Get right here, Well it's Friday, then, yeah, that right there.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
This is what means jumping. This is what you need
on a Friday.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
What is this?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, it's like a TikTok video.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Don't worry about it's a Pantera remix.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
This is what they gambled to an Iowa.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, they they got slot machine levers on the side
of silos in Iowa.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
That's just they do.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
That's what they got to the bars to do.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Football.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
This is Friday. This is the one that's trying to
make it no football front.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, Brady, was this the song they were playing when
you and LeVar were working out of the broom closet
in Iowa at that bar when you guys were in
Iowa City, I believe.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Back in the day.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, there was something like that.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Think it was definitely playing the night before. I don't
think it was playing that early in the morning.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
There, be careful. You don't want to piss people off here.
You don't want to misrepresent a hotel, not a bar. Well,
there's bar inside of it.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
But we were trust me, you try to debate this
with us when we were the ones there doing this.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I helped build that place, all right, not.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Really, but we built this city built. I was sitting
I'm not good, all right, So let's have a fun
little discussion here about somebody who may have stepped in it.
A few months back, Kyle Shanahan, the head coach of
the forty nine Ers, was asked at the end of
the season if he envisioned any way whatsoever of Jimmy
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Garoppolo returning to be the quarterback for the Niners, and
he just quickly said absolutely not, no shot in hell whatsoever,
which we talked about at the time, pretty abrupt ending
to what's been a pretty successful run between Kyle Shanahan
and Jimmy Garoppolo and the forty nine Ers. And so
Kyle Shanahan talked yesterday as they finished up joint practices
(05:04):
with the Raiders and Jimmy Garoppolo, and they've got a
preseason game, which don't worry about it. We gambled on
it and actually made our picks. You can listen to
that on the podcast that happened last hour here on
the show. That'll be posted up shortly after our show.
But here was the forty nine Ers head coach talking
about those comments that he made about Jimmy Garoppolo and
his time with Jimmy.
Speaker 8 (05:24):
G I think I've talked about his legacy. I think
Jimmy was unbelievable for us. We won lots of games.
I think that was a simple question as our scenario
will hit be back here next year, and I gave
a common sense answer, and no, I think that was
a little overblown on trying to be a shot at him.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Or anything.
Speaker 8 (05:41):
I mean, we knew Jimmy wasn't coming back on his
standpoint and our standpoint financially and everything, So that was
just the common sense answer. But anytime I've been asked
about Jimmy and what he meant to us and how
he was, I've never said it differently. So Jimmy was
unbelievable here. I think he was the best quarterback here
in about twenty years since Steve Young as an unbelievable record,
and every time he played and stayed healthy, you're either
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in the Super Bowl or NFC Championship game. So I
hope no one insinuates I've ever said differently.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Why does Kyle Shanahan sound like he's out of breath?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I mean, he could have been working on like an
air Dyne bike before he popped up to baby.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Did you notice that?
Speaker 7 (06:16):
Though?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Did it? Is it me? Or did he soun out
of breath?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Normally, when you're out of breath, it's because you know
that you're about to have an uncomfortable conversation. And I
wonder if he wasn't if this was something that he
wasn't planning on having to revisit, because it's not like
he apologized for it or took it back. He said, well,
it's a pretty common sense answer. Yeah, But if the
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run was that great with the guy and the relationship
was that great, I feel like you wouldn't be so
abrupt about, oh, no, no way, whatsoever, will be back.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
And that's kind of thirty.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Eight and seventeen during the course of the regular season
or his time there. Yep, what I mean. When you
hear those numbers, you're like, man, it's kind of odd
they'd want to move on from a guy like that
who was that successful. And then if you look at
the other quarterbacks who've played there, I mean, pretty the
short sample size of play has played well, we'll see
what it looks for an entirety of a season. I
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just I can't get it with the fact that Jimmy
Garoppolo is there six years. It doesn't feel like he
was there that long. Maybe it's because of the injuries
and the time he missed, but it's like, I feel
like it wasn't that long ago that he was being
traded to the forty nine ers, and he's kind of
played almost immediately when it got there, Like, is it
crazy to think that he was there for six years.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
No, I think that. I mean a lot has changed,
obviously with the injuries and everything that took place there,
and it feels like the forty nine ers have gone
through a lot in that time. They've been a Super
Bowl contender. They lost him one year. They were not
a good football team. But I can remember you and
I were working together when the trade was made. It
was on Halloween night they did the deal. It was
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only a second round pick in return, and I think
it was you that talked with Shanahan and Shannon and
wasn't a totally believer. And then he put him into
those games right right, and he wanted.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
To play him. I mean, John Lynch had bought into,
you know, what Jimmy Garoppolo could be, and Kyle Shanahan's
response was like, we need to see him play. And
so in that first season, and that was back in
twenty seventeen, you know, he ended up starting five games.
They won those those five games. He was kind of
as advertised for a guy who literally is being thrown
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into the fire. And the next year is in the
year where he only had a few starts and got
hurt and was out the rest of the season, and
obviously they struggled, but then he came back in twenty
nineteen and that well, that was a Super Bowl year run, right, Yeah, yeah,
I mean they went thirteen and three, and you know,
he played phenomenal. He really played really well that year.
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But everyone kind of challenges obviously the fact that, you know,
they didn't feel like he did enough in the postseason.
But I think he was a little bit banged up
in that postseason, right, wasn't it his thumb or something
that got impacted.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, he was never he never really was ever totally healthy,
and I would argue last year was maybe his best
year and he wasn't even projected to be there. Like
he kind of bailed them out, Like everyone focuses on
brock Party and Trey Lance went down with a gruesome injury.
Garoppolo came in mid game and they didn't lose any stride.
In fact, they got better. They bailed them out, But
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the conversation was we can't get rid of them fast
enough afterwards.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Just odd it was, And I think I understand there's
some contractual things too that may have played a role.
And maybe that's why Kyle Shanahan said, that's so quick
as he knew where Jimmy g stood because of all
that before the season, and obviously they traded up to
take Trey Lance, so it was what it was. But
there was probably a lot of Hey, we know the
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situation we're both in. Let's just try to win games,
get through the season, and that's you know, how they
both operated moving forward. So it look it was a
little bit awkward, But at the end of the day,
Jimmy Garoppolo moves on. He's in Las Vegas, he's in
as system he's familiar with, with a coach he's familiar with,
and I think the fort Nitis feel good about where
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they're at with Brock Purty at least being the guy.
And if not him, you got Darnold. There's a backup
and maybe Trey Lance for this year, depending on, you know,
what happens with him this this, you know, training camp
or preseason.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Kyle Shannan close to twenty games under five hundred without
Jimmy Garoppolo's quarterback, so like that that should tell you something.
But yeah, it's just one of those things where for
whatever reason, you know, his decision to have the surgery.
I don't know if that pissed some people off. But
now Garoppolo's with the Raiders, and you know, you got
Max Crosby with the Raiders, who was you know, talking
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about how he's sick of this team not being a
playoff team, that that's what he plays in the league
for and works as hard as he can for.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
And it's like, all.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Right, well, if you're sick about being a playoff team,
you're not gonna feel all that great at the end
of the year. I don't see any way whatsoever that
the Raiders are contending for a playoff spot this year.
I just don't see it. It feels like it's a mess.
Josh Jacobs thing is a mess, and it feels like
Garoppolo is the plan now. And if they're picking high
up at the draft, you know, maybe it's a Drake
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may or Caleb Williams. It just feels like this team
is completely different from the team that had some high
hopes last year when DeVante Adams was brought in and
they had Darren Waller and Carr and all that. To me,
they've only gotten worse since they got rid of Derek Carr.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I think there's elements of that. I just think they're
trying to get this team back to a spot where
they feel like they've got the right pieces in the
right places. And you know, clearly, whatever you want to
say about the disconnect between Josh McDaniel's Derek Carr, you know,
first year in assystem, especially a system like that, puts
a lot on your plate. It felt like it was
a tough transition. And even though Carr had the you know,
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chemistry and history playing with Devanta Adams and then Devontae
had a great year and he'll have another great year
this year, it just didn't seem to work out quite
as well. I just I kind of go back to, though,
the downfield passing game that you know, I think they
had a little more of with Carr than they will
with Jimmy g It's gonna be a different offense, it's
gonna be a different style of play. And to your point,
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I'm not sure what to expect because I still feel
like the Raiders are trying to rebuild from what they
took over after the John grudenerra there, and so I
still feel like they're trying to kind of build back
up this roster to get to a point where they
can be competitive and what should be a pretty competitive
AFC West.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So the Raiders to make the playoffs are a plus
three eighty on DraftKings.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, so plus three eighty on DraftKings.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I wouldn't take that just because I don't think there's
enough value.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
No, there's not at all, but there.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I would handicap them, probably closer to plus six hundred.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Okay, so for my count, and again I'm looking at
this now on DraftKings, there are three teams that have
worse odds to make the playoffs, or greater odds if
you will, that they're seeing as bigger long shots to
make the playoffs according to DraftKings. Who would you guess
those three teams are that.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Have greater odds in the entire NFL or just the
entire NFL. Okay, obviously Arizona.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yes, Arizona's plus eleven hundred, which if you're playing at home,
that means ten bucks wins you a lear Jet. If
the Cardinals make the playoffs, that's how that works. That's
how bad they're going to be.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I think that's how the math works out.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
But okay, so the Cardinals are one, this is tough.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I will say the Texans, the Houston Texans, or another.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
The Houston Texans are sitting right now at plus four
seventy five to make the playoffs. And there's one more
that's worse than the rain.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
You Washington Commandos.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
No, the Commanders are plus three hundred. Okay, this next
one is kind of surprising. But if you think about
just sort of I guess the messaging from their coach
and decision making at quarterback from their coach throughout the
course of the week, it kind of makes some sense.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
And I think you.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Called your shot, Bay, that is correct plus four hundred.
So Baker Mayfield finds himself in another tough spot according
to the odds here.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
And by the way, that's I could.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I could get the Raiders in the division and the
conference are at the Buccaneers are in a winnable division,
and still they're that much of a long shot to
make the play.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
And they still have they still have a good roster. Yes,
you know, it's not like I don't know anyway, I
just it's a bit surprising me. I would probably handicap
some those teams a little different.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
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Speaker 2 (14:42):
App So along with conference realignment and nil Brady Quinn
as we get ready for the college football season, which
again is kicking off right around the corner and in
fact in Dublin, Ireland. I'm not again not sure if
you're aware that Notre Dame and Navy, well.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
That's right in week zero. Yeah, a rescheduling conflict from
from the COVID year. They were supposed to play over
in Dublin, Ireland back then, but it got kicked at
twenty twenty three. So fortunately, uh, you know, it kind
of worked out where where now they play this year?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah, and a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
It's a lot of fun. I'll bet the atmosphere is
going to be great. You know, anybody attending that, you know?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
How about this? Did? Do you?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Do?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
You know many comedians are you? Are you big into
like the comedy world?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I know a few? Okay, Yeah, So.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Shane Gillis, who's absolutely.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Hilarious, Yeah, taboz he does.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
He's good. He's a good time. He'll be over there.
He's got a couple of shows going on Yeah, that's
That's one of the cooler things he's able to do
is he can kind of set up wherever he wants
to go do shows around one of football games he
wants to attend. And he's a big Notre Dame fan,
so he will be over there doing shows in Dublin,
Ireland and Thursday and Friday night before the game.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Does he really schedule his tour around games he wants
to attend.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, I mean, in essence, you could do that. I mean,
first off, they're both sold out, and second like, you
can do that when you're as popular as he is
and as funny as he is. So should be a
good time. Hopefully people who are over there are gonna
have the opportunity to go, you know those.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Two nights you know, he listen, make sure your passports
and all that are, you know, are all dialed in,
you know, when they want to have everything buttoned up,
don't have any issues or anything like that when you
head over there.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Mom.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
But no, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what
what Lebar has to do with that. But again, Iowa,
Sam's just kind of pulling the strings here behind the scenes.
So but yeah, it should be a good time. You know,
I've heard Testo may be playing or dj Tsto as
you call him, Brady Quinn.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I would not call him djts No, that's very cringeworthy.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
That's all right.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
But the point is college football is right around the corner,
and I'll look at that. More players being charged in
the Iowa Iowa State gambling investigation.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
What do you know?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
And this time we've got multiple starters. We've got multiple
players betting on games they participated in against t Yes,
you got you got one guy that had so little
faith in his team that he bet on Texas on
the money line and Texas got blown out and he
was partly he.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Took the spread on that one. I thought he was
taking Texas plus six and a half.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I thought it was the money line. But again, either way,
you bet against the team you play for in a
game you played in and you lost, so that feels
like it should be double the punishment.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
This one, he lost the bet.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Iowa State was a six and a half point favor
versus Texas and they ended up winning thirty to seven.
In this case, this player did have a tackle in
the game. However, he lost the bet. My understanding was
he took Texas in the points, which I don't want
to get into semantics. You bet against your team. If
it's money line, it's incredibly damning. If it's points, it's like, well,
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Iowa State could have won. He just thought it was
gonna be a closer game, even though he was playing
at it. So maybe during his time when he was
researching his opponents and what they were going up against,
he was like, oh man, this is gonna be a
tight game. I think we're gonna win, but we probably
won't win by over six and a half.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
So if we were goofing about, okay, Well, one of
the players involved was a kicker for Iowa.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
He was a backup kicker. He didn't really have any
impact on the game.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Dude, just insider knowledge.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
These are like Iowa States starting running back Dryl Brock,
he's involved. You got other players who have been starters,
they're involved. Like You've got like this is this one's
bad man. This is not goof around because Calvin Ridley
bet on some seventeen parlays. This is bad. This is
on your team, impacting your team. You got players that
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have transferred elsewhere. You got a guy that's in the
NFL for the Broncos. Now who was involved in this.
This is the worst one that we've seen flare up
when it comes to gambling, especially in the world of football.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
This is the worst one so far.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
It's upsetting in a multitude of ways. I mean, the
first being the fact that you know, when you have
a player that bets against his own team, it really
makes you, you know, look at what's his prerogative, Like
it's like serious sake, Why is he there? Is he
there to help them win games? Help them win? You know,
maybe in this case if it's if it's Iowa State
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a Big twelve championship, if it's Iowa Big Ten championship,
But why is he there? Is it just to try
to make money and get to the NFL if he
can through nil? Does he care about the educational component?
Does he care about his reputation? There's there's so many
questions I have because I think what you're seeing, at
least in respect to the gambling world and how it's
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at least with these stories, has impacted football players at Iowa.
Iowa State is I feel like if they don't feel
like they a shot of winning anything, they're like, all right,
I'm just trying to make whatever money I can with
the advantage that I have playing so I'm able to
see what's going to happen. I can lay some beds,
hopefully make some money, have an edge on the market,
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and then move on if no one catches me to
the NFL or the rest of my life, because they
don't have that greater thing that they're they're chasing and
trying to go go after. And then the irony to
saying that is we had Iowa playing in the Big
Ten championship game last year, Like it wasn't like they
didn't have the opportunity to do something significant. What Michigan
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didn't beat Iowa last year?
Speaker 4 (20:36):
It was two years ago. Last year's Purdue losing two.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Years that's right, two years ago, tw years are You're right?
But well, and still they sort a chance at the
end of the season, didn't they.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Yes, yeah, if they had not lost in Nebraska at home,
they would have been the West champs.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
So like, I still don't really understand why all this
is going on. It's not like, you know, Iowa in
this case wasn't competitive. Even Iowa stayed in some instances
has been competitive where they might have been able to
have a shot. You know, last year probably you know,
wasn't that a great example of that? But I just
I wonder if that's what's factoring into these kids' heads,
like outside of the fact they're young. And when you're young,
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you're dumb. You make mistakes, you make poor decisions that
you're thinking more in the short term, not the long term,
and you don't think about if you get caught. You
think about the reward, not the risk. That tends to
be young people. The older you get, the more you
think about risk and anything you do, whether it's before
you become a parent, when you become a parent, you
start to measure things differently. Where you're we're much more
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risk adverse when you're young, like you don't think about
the stupid stuff you could do and the repercussions for it.
But now you're getting to a point where, I mean,
when you're talking about betting against your team and you
played in that game, that's criminal.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
That's dirty, man, Well.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
That's something dirty. It takes you back to the days
like did BC have like a betting scandal one.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Of the point shaving you fixing games in the game,
and again you.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Go back to teams that aren't necessary gonna be relevant
in the grand scheme of winning a national championship because
the odds are you know, and the risk is too high.
And I think those kids they're not focused on that anyway.
Like the kids who are going to go play at
other places where they have a legit shot every year
competing for a national championship, they don't even factor into
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their brain to go out and take that insider not
you know, insider you know information and go gamble. They're like, no,
no chance, I'm not gonna hurt my teams chance to
win a national championship. If you're on any one of
these teams that they kind of feel like is irrelevant
or there's out there playing games. I could see it
factoring into their head more of using the insider information.
They have an advantage if they can gamble, to bet now,
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to bet against your own team, though that that's just dirty,
Like that's one where like you kick the kid off,
you suspend them, you allow them to face whatever punishment
he gets because you're breaking trust, you're breaking bonds, you're
breaking laws, you're breaking a lot of things that you
just can't afford to have that ever ever in college
football and it's sport for that matter.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I just I can't imagine. And look, I did a
lot of dumb things when I was eighteen to twenty
two years old.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yeah we all did.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
But still though that this one feels like I would
at least know this is not good, Like this is
not right, you should not be doing this, Like I
think I would still have a sense of this is
not an okay thing to do. And if you're a
loyal teammate, and your teammate and the bond you have
with your teammates is everything, you're not going to do
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something knowing that it's disrespectful to them. And you're screwing
over a lot of people who are pouring their heart
and soul into this because you've got money and some
you know, two hundred dollars bet that you've made through
the equipment manager or whoever it was to put together
these bets like this just this feels like and I
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don't know when it ends, because it seems like, Okay,
we've reached our end, and now more players continue to
come out, more players. It's almost like they're they're slow
playing this and just releasing a couple here and a
couple there. But this element of it I think may
even be worse than you know what we saw with
Hunter Deckers, who was a quarterback for them, because this
is multiple players. This is players, managers, people who have transferred.
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You got one guy, Let me getcause there's so many
names involved here. Arlen Bruce the fourth, who's a former
Iowa player who bet on the under on two games
back in twenty twenty two. Last year, he bet the
under against Northwestern lost by the way thirty seven and
a half. Shock, Yeah, shocking, it is shocking. See also
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he also on the right side. He definitely was. And
I don't know how any of you spent your New
Year's Eve. He spent his New Year's even Nashville, Tennessee.
Great spot from what I hear, but there was while
there was a football game going on. It was the
Music City Bowl. He also bet the under on that.
The under was thirty thirty one and a half and
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he did end up winning that game because Iowa won
their bowl game twenty one to nothing.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
So well, but he knew exactly what the Iowa defense
was bringing. Come on, Sam, come on to Sam. Correct
take the under more often than not. Do you not
what the Hawkeyes uh lately?
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean there was a there was
a time when Iowa could score touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
And Will Lewis didn't play in that game. Correct, No,
he did not know? Yeah so so I mean that
was a lot of guys that did not play. That
was that was a smart.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Pay Hey, let's not take away, okay from what Iowa accomplished.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Two of their touchdowns in that game were defensive touchdowns.
They scored one offensive touchdown the Music City Bowl.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Okay, Sam, we get it. But there's takes two to tango.
It's not all just about the offense not scoring. Sometimes
it's about the defense to shutting out the other side,
which the Iowa defense has been known for that.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
All right, yeah, all right, So let's be honest here
and and I'm half kidding, but I do think there's
this is a possibility. Do you think Kirk Farence, head
coach of Iowa, and his son Brian Farrence, the offensive coordinator,
do you think at some point during the course of
the season, to try and get the offense motivated, they say, listen,
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you know what people think about you. They think you're
so bad that they're betting against you, and they're part
of this locker room in years past. Why do you
think about that? And you guys get it in Gear.
I would absolutely pull that card to get them motivated,
especially if I'm Brian Farrens and I've got money on
the line, because there's kickers in my contract that if
we score certain amount of points that I'm gonna get
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paid more. I'm using everything I can to get my
team motivated. I don't care. This is all above board.
The investigation has been gone through. We know we had
a bunch of scumbags in our locker room. Let's start
airing people out for being degenerate gamblers and use it
a positive way to get our offense and gear. That's
the move. What do you think about that, Brady Quinn?
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That's how you get people fired up.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I bet I don't think it is fired up. I'd
be like, what, Yeah, we're doing what.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Our own guys are betting against us. That's how bad
we've been on offense. Well, how do you know that?
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Coach? Like, who's who's Land Betts down here? Who is it?
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Frankie? Is it? Will? Hey? You remember Arland the fourth
Ramon Who's who's betting against us right now? Is a cad.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Do you think there's more that come out of this
Cooper who's betting against us? Do you think there are
more names of this Iowa Iowa state scandal?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I don't know. Maybe. I mean, I look, I don't
want to call it a scandal. I know there was
some organization to it in some cases, right was it
a Hunter Decker or someone's using his mom's account she
was placing the bets. I mean, there's Look, there's there's
gonna be some poor decisions that are made as gambling
rolls out state by state nationwide. You're going to have
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bad actors. You're gonna have people who try to rig
the system or you know, find a way around it.
That's just how things always work. It doesn't matter what industry,
what you're talking about. I don't know that this is
like as wide as rampant as some of the other
actual gambling schemes that we've seen have gone on through
the years. But you know, again, I'm hoping it doesn't
(28:15):
become a distraction. College football is awesome, and I would
hate to see a team like Iowa who has a
legitimate shot of competing this year with some of the
moves they've made, be you know, distracted by all of this.
Hopefully they're there. They've got their eyes on the prize,
and that prize is not winning a gambling bed.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
All right.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
So I'm gonna ask you a question here, all right,
and we're going to do it in a gambling term
just to really round out.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
The entire discussion.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Should need some music though, Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Sam, can we get some music here? Is there like
an Iowa folk song that they use while they're making
crop circles? Anything you just off the top of your head,
you can roll with that. Somebody created in a barn
with some sort of a mixtape somewhere in Iowa.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
So they create mixtapes in barns, by the way, ye Sam?
Is that is that how that works?
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Like?
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Do they just in a barn on a bail of
hay and make a mix tape?
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Yeah? The acoustics are great.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
You know, there's like a pitchfork bang against the side
of the wall in the background. Like it's awesome. Man,
let me tell you, that's where a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Of great like the cow in the background.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
All that stuff. Yeah, who needs a bass drum? You
just have your buddy go cow tipping while they're sleeping. Yeah,
all of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
That's it's probably better that damn cats in the flight with.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Now do you think if anybody was flying to Dublin
for the start of college football, do you think they
would experience a cat on a flight like that?
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Or probably not?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
No, because the Irish won't allow cats over there. Okay, geez,
only dogs.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
It's like that.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Huh Yeah, all right, here's here's what I preface this
real quick.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Yeah, why do you complicate things?
Speaker 6 (29:48):
Well, you asked me to pick a folk song that
is near and.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Why are you complicating things?
Speaker 6 (29:54):
I just want to say the world, this is the game.
This is the song that people play at the end
of an when they win a game. It's called the
Iowa Victory PoCA, also known as Heaven.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
There is no beer.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
This is great.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
So I'm gonna play this. I don't want Iowa fans
getting mad at me. I'm just playing it just for
the bit, all do a world traveler.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
They got bigger problems to worry about, all right, So,
Brady Quinn, here's what I got for you to celebrate
the degenerate gambling of the Iowa Hawk guys and the
Iowa State Cyclones. I've got an over under for you,
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over under ten dollars on the average bet that Jarill
Brock made the Iowa State starting running back.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Over that you're over yeah over.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Darrell Brock placed one thousand, three hundred and twenty seven online.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Oh jeez, okay, I don't think you bet that much then.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Totaling twelve thousand and fifty dollars, averaging out just to
shade over nine dollars. Event So congratulations Jarrell Brock. You
at least are a man of the people. One of
those under ten dollars betters my kind of people there.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
That probably cateagorizes as a gambling problem.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Oh he's kind a degenerate, punky gambler.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I mean about it. But somebody needs to get that
young help.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Well, you a gambling publom by the way, he needs
some milk. I believe if you've if you've got more
online wagers then you do rushing attempts in your college
football career or rushing yards, that would be a problem.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
That seems like it would be a little.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Bit I'm just trying to explain to you As this
becomes more prevalent, you're going to be getting guys who
aren't playing and they're seeing other guys make nil money
or they're seeing other guys, you know, get more attention
and potentially go to the league. They're gonna be saying
to themselves like, I gotta find a different angle to
make some money. Yeah, and that's that's one of the
ways you can do it.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, who wants to drive an uber? You know, open
up with a gambling account and start betting it gets
your own team.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
What a disaster. So there it is.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
There's your your preview of the Syhawk Bowl coming up here.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
In another or so.
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Speaker 2 (33:36):
Hey, how about your buddy Phil Mickelson. Huh, you know,
just man of the people likes to place a wager
or two.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
You know, according someone to say more than just a wager.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
It's according to I call shenanigans on this story, by
the way, but according yeah, according to pro gambler Billy Walters.
He's got this new book coming out called Gambler Secrets
from a Life of Risk. He reports that Phil Mickelson
bet over one billion dollars on football, baseball, and basketball
over the last three decades.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Come on, man, like.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I've heard of exaggerating a billion dollars? Really like a
billion dollars on football, basketball, and baseball. It just like
that to me, feels like it's somebody who's really trying
to exaggerate something to sell some books, Like I'll give
you five hundred million, Okay, I'm willing to work with
(34:29):
five hundred million. A billion dollars is a significant amount
of money, and I just don't know where Phil Ncholson
would have come up with a billion dollars over thirty years.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Well, the first thing you have to ask yourself is
is Phil Michelson worth a billion dollars? Because I mean,
is he potentially over the years gambled more than what
his worth is? Now? There are some estimates up there
with his you know, different business dealings, maybe some different trades,
which I think at one point he was accused of
(35:00):
side are trading. Yeah, it's harmless, right, I don't know,
I mean, he's he It might be a slight exaggeration.
Even if it is, there is still a lot of
gambling going on, And look, we could laugh about it,
but he's admitted he's got a problem and he is
seeking help. And look, it's gonna be a fascinating book.
(35:20):
I'd love to hear some of the stories. I think
a lot of guys who play golf. Understand it's it's
a lot more gambling intensive than most realize. And first,
for some of these guys who are really good at golf,
they need that money on the line. They need that
putt that's worth thousands of dollars, hundreds of thousands of
dollars in some cases, they need it to matter in
(35:42):
order to feel the pressure and get that adrenaline rush.
That's how some of these golfers operate, or how their
their brain is wired. So I could definitely see how
it could get to that point and he could have
a problem like that, But a billion dollars on betting
on other sports. That's what's crazy to me, is like
you got a real problem, Like if it was one
(36:02):
thing he was gambling on himself and his games and
different knowledge he has of actually the golf world, which
I believe he was accused of gambling on the Ryder Cup,
which which he has stated that that wasn't the case
outside of maybe some wagers that were made on the course,
which is typical. But like other sports that you don't have,
(36:22):
as you know, in depth knowledge on or maybe experience with,
That's what's a little bit surprising to me.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
So there was I guess, citing betting records and quote
two very reliable sources, This guy, Billy Walters, says that
from twenty ten to twenty fourteen, Michelson made eight hundred
and fifty eight bets of two hundred twenty thousand dollars
and one thousand, one hundred and fifteen bets of one
(36:50):
hundred and ten thousand dollars. Now, if you just took
those bets right there, that's.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
A lot of money.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
You're still about seven one hundred million dollars short.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Give or take.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Like you're like, you're still kind of pretty far away
from getting to that one billion dollar mark. I just
I don't see how there's any possible way that Michelson.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Bet a billion dollars on this.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
All right, And Phil Mickelson, you know, you mentioned the
gambling issues that he's talked about in the past. So
in last June June of twenty twenty two, this stuff
came out and Phil Michelson was asked about this story
from Sports Illustrated talking about this, and Michelson said, you know,
(37:37):
he responded to a post on social media and said, quote,
haven't gambled in years. Almost a billionaire now thanks for asking.
So he's, you know, he just did twisted the knife
a little bit, and maybe he knew that this was
part of the story that was going to come out,
and so he's playing, you know, having some fun with it.
But one of the other portions of this book that
(37:58):
he's being accused of is that apparently he called Billy
Walters from the site of the Ryder Cup back in
twenty twelve and was trying to place a four hundred
thousand dollars bet on the Ryder Cup and.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Bill, by the way, on the US team, we esfy that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
On the US team that he was a part of,
and Billy Walters was saying, no, are you serious?
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Do you do?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
You know what happened to Pete Rose. He doesn't know
if Phil was able to get the bet in, but
he knows that he didn't take the bet from Phil Nicholson. Again,
I find that part a little suspect would.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
He didn't take the bet was made.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I find it a little suspect that he was willing
to let that bet go elsewhere and he wouldn't be
a part of it. I'll let you bet, but I
don't feel good about it.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
It's like Okay, Well, maybe because he thought the US
would win too.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Well, yeah, I mean yeah, but he wouldn't he want
to place that wager because they were gambling buddies like
I would assume that maybe he would. You know, if
Phil felt that confident about it'd be like, all right,
did I'll ride you like no pun intended, I'll ride
you on the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Let's roll with it.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Micholson respect to that allegation and said, quote, I never
bet on the Ryder Cup. While it is well known
that I always enjoy a friendly wager on the course,
I would never undermine the integrity of the game. I've
also been very open about my gambling addiction. I have
previously conveyed my remorse, took responsibility, have gotten help, have
been fully committed to therapy, and has have positively impacted me,
(39:24):
and I feel good about where I am now. So
you need to tell me a guy who may or
may not have spent close to a billion dollars gambling
he's never placed a bet since he's just good to go.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Well, I'm not believing that. I mean, look, there's there's
no way. I mean, I think I saw somewhere too
on social media he was like, I think it was
with Bryce and d Chambeau. He had placed like a
bet they did like a front and back and overall bet.
I mean it was on Camery talked about it. That
was recent, So I'm not so sure that's the case.
Maybe he's talking about kind of outside of it sports betting,
(39:58):
you know, through a sports book, bookie, what have you.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
It's hard to believe the front back and overall bet.
It's like, hey, we've been playing one round of golf. Yeah,
we can get three bets out of this.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Oh yeah, well yeah, but that's pretty standard. I meanybo
who plays golf would tell you there's a front back
and overalls.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
What's the best wager?
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Not that you gamble on golf or anything like that,
but if you had to give so somebody that wants
a quick hitter, you just go holes, like you'll bet
on the first hole, second hole, because you can do
that on certain sports books. But when you're playing in person,
friendly wager closest to the pin, what are we looking at?
Speaker 4 (40:31):
That's a fun No.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
No, you do you do a front back and overall
you usually it's a match play, it's not a stroke play,
So you do it. Based on you know, you know,
if you win the hole or not, or if you
push the hole. But typically there's a front back and
overall bet, right, so there's three separate bets, and then
what you do is you have to decide whether or
not you want to be able to press. And what's
pretty standard in most you know, most the golf world,
(40:53):
I should say, is two down, meaning if you get
two holes down, the team who's losing its to automatic press,
and then that opens up another bet. And then the
phrase I always like is you know, press if you're
pissed off, so you know you can you can go
ahead after you lose a hole, and you have to
lose a whole in order to be able to press.
(41:15):
But if you're you're ticked off, you're gonna gohead and press.
So that kind of opens you up to maybe some
some more bets alongside of it, but typically that is
the front back overall two down automatic press is like
the vernacular you'd hear on a golf course that most
people play.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Now I'm gonna list what I believe and I don't
have this on authority, like this.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
Is not confirmed.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Just Google source system.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Okay, no, no, no, come on you know this is
all yeah, all off the top of my head as
well too. I'm gonna take a guess as to what
Phil Mickelson's favorite golf courses are in America, and I'm
gonna see if you can identify my favorite golf courses. Yeah,
in America, and I'm gonna see if you can identify
what these all have in common. I'm gonna list three
or four of these, and then at the end of it,
(41:58):
I want you to just tell me what you think
they all have in common. All right, The Harvester Club,
Glen Oaks Country Club, Wakanda Club, Spirit Hollow, and one more.
Let's see if you can guess this, the Des Moines
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Golf and Country Club. What do you think they all
have in common?
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Brady Coin, there's a casino a part of it or around.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
No, they're all in the state of Iowa. That's my
guess is those would all be Phil Michelson's favorite golf
courses if we had to list the top.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Five or six played any of those courses.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Nope, Okay, definitely this and I couldn't confirm that, but
that's just my best guess here.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
We're really working in a lot of Iowa materials.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
To that it's too much better recap in the Viking
Seahawks game.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
So there's that.
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