August 15, 2024 • 43 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Vikings shut down JJ McCarthy for the season after tearing his meniscus, but could it be a blessing in disguise? Patriots trade Matthew Judon to the Falcons, but could this help Haason Reddick. TheMMQB’s Albert Breer joins the guys from his Training Camp Tour to tell you who to watch out for this season.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Arrington, rading Win and Jonas Knots on
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
You know, we were waiting to see, all right, what
was it going to be a little bit of a
surgery and JJ McCarthy would miss, you know, after a
trim a few weeks, or would it be a full
repair and he'd be done for the whole season. We
got our news yesterday JJ McCarthy out for the entire season,
full repair of his torn meniscus that he suffered in
(00:36):
the preseason game against the Raiders over the weekend. And
so Kevin O'Connell, the head coach of the Vikings, spoke
about it after the news came out.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Everyone should just be, you know, excited about the fact
that we've got our young franchise quarterback. I believe in
the building. And now it's about the unique aspect of
continuing a very critical development process for him where maybe
the physical reps aren't going to be there in the
short term, but this is going.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
To be a bump, small bump in the road.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Other quarterbacks in our league have gone through similar things
early on in their journey, and and and came back
stronger and better than ever. And that is not only
my expectation. I know that is going to happen for JJ.
So we'll have a great plan for him, uh you know,
not only in the quarterback room with those other guys,
but a process so him and I can continue to
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build Arverport and and make sure there's a day.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
To day football process.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
But early on, most importantly, it's going to be about
that rehab in the physical aspect.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Sam Darnold, step right up.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
That's right, baby, yep, LeVar. Have you ever had a
tormentiscus or Jonathan, That's.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
That's been That was the Achilles hill my career I
did the tors was yeah, like really it led. It
eventually led to me tearing my a cl Like got
I was pretty explosive, and for the amount of pressure
and force I would apply to my legs and the
(02:01):
things that I would do, I had to get multiple
like multiples of meniscus cleans, cleanups. You tore your a cl, No,
my my achilles, Oh you said a cl My achilles
tendont not my a cl. But it led to to
my achilles tendant because I was off balance by the
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time I got to that point in my career, I
had had so many cleanings of my my meniscus that,
you know, just it just led to to other things,
you know, getting in the way. So you've torn your meniscus, yes, Brady,
have you torn your meniscus?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I have, damn Yeah. Yeah, dislocated my kneecap. The dislocation
you told this story. Yeah, playing basketball, had a few
too many throat burners, some old styles out of a
cooler and mom with Illinois playing with.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Your playing drunk basketball.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Yeah, yeah, that's it was.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
You know, we had played cornhole for about an hour
and a half and I was teaming up with my
girlfriend against my brother and my cousin.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
She was, she was horrendoed.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
She was you had to pick up the low yeah,
she was horrendous.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Through a bad pass that did everything.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Then I came down popped my kneecap, but I tore
my meniscus and at a bone bruise the knee cap,
the knee cap was was popped back in and that
wasn't really the issue. It was the meniscus and the
bone bruise that was always the lingering problem.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
So I did not have that.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
On my bingo card that you tore your mediscus playing
drunk basketball after a game of corn.
Speaker 7 (03:41):
Hole team with your girlfriend.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Is that that common?
Speaker 5 (03:45):
What do you mean drunk back drunk basketball? It's Monmouth.
You know, there's not a lot going on.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I just I don't suspect people are like having a
few beers, like, you know what, let's go play a
pickup game basketball.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Didn't make any noises when when it like that sounds
like one of them injuries where where either you just
go into shock and you say nothing or.
Speaker 7 (04:09):
Let scream out.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
It sounded a little bit something like no, no, I
did not.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
I remember exactly what it sounded like.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I told my brother when I reached down to my
leg and I felt my kneecap on the side, and
I'm like, I just felt this canyon on my knee.
And I told my brother. I was like, hey, Adam,
I'm done. I pop my knee, Pop my knee, Adam,
I'm done.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
I'm done.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
He goes stop being a you know what, uh, you
know fill in the blank there right, yes, okay, you know,
get up, man, let's finish the game.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
Stop.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, something like that, insert the P and uh And
I said no, no, I'm I'm really dandy. He lifts up
my pant leg and goes, oh god, oh god, all right, yeah,
we're gonna have to do something here, and yeah, they
had My cousin was a luckily uh a paramedic or
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an EMT or whatever you want to say it is,
and popped it back in. We put some she had,
like some makeshift ace bandages we put on it, and
then you know, drove to the hospital.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
How sober were you in that moment?
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Not at all, Not really.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
I was usually something like that happens, you sober up quick.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yes, later, because we did end up going for some reason,
we thought it was a good idea to go some
hole in the wall bar afterwards.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Because people were hungry. I was like, no, I'll think
I'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
You know, once she popped it in, it felt okay,
But my leg was just shaking the whole time, like
I had no stability, Like, no, no.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
You are walking? Yeah? Were you limping?
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yeah, which does make Jaj McCarthy's performance in the preseason
game that much more impressive.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Oh yes, he's damn hockey player. I don't even know
about the injury until afterwards.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Hey, coach, I tore up my moniscus there.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You know the hey coach, he he's a little wonky coach.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Yeah, coach, I gotta go check out the trainer. Coach.
I think someone's going on here. This actually might be
a blessing in this guy's.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
Man saying words. That's it. But I'm glad you said
to go it. I'm a player.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Well, I think you look at a lot of the
quarterbacks who of late have excelled, who were first round picks.
They got to sit there, you go, they get to
sit watch learn, you know, they got to. They got
to kind of you and you're a Kevin O'Connell talk
about how he's gonna be able to go through a
process now mentally and so the mental side of things,
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as far as knowing the offense, you know, knowing how
teams are, you know, the personnel, how they're preparing all
those things. He's going to have that down. It's not
just going to be the physical. And I think the
physical is gonna be just fine. You know, this isn't
a moniscus. It's tough. You know, as you pointed out, LeVar,
there will probably be some cleanups down the road. But
he's not the same type of athlete that you were,
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So I maybe it's not going to be quite as much.
You know, I don't know his medical history. I just
know that he'll come back from this one hundred percent
healthy for twenty five and I think he'll be better
off for it as well.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
I think that's I mean, you hate to say a
season ending injury is a blessing in disguise, but it
certainly takes the pressure off of him in terms of
that first year that first year performance. Can he beat
out Sam Darnold? How is he playing? Once he gets
in all of the judgments that take place, He's learning
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on the fly, and now with with the benefit of
being able to actually learn, get into the the playbook,
understand what the coaches are looking for, understand what the
schedule feels like, because he you're you're relatively like a
ghost when when you're not an active player, and when
(07:47):
I'm what I mean by that is, if you're not up,
it's kind of like, you know, hey, how you doing okay?
Speaker 7 (07:52):
Good, Like you.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
Don't really have it's not really like you're a part
of everything because well, you're hurt. So he gets an
opportunity to be a fly on the wall, sit in
and on the meetings, he should be really really investing
in the mental aspect of what it's going to take
for him to be a successful a successful pro. And
(08:18):
when you have those opportunities, even to be on the sideline,
be in the in game, in game situations where you're
listening to what the offensive coordinator is saying, what the
what the head coach is saying, what's going on over
the headsets? You know, what are the adjustments, what are
they talking about when the offense comes off of off
of the field, all those moments in time, if he's
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taking the mental reps and he's taking this seriously and
he's present and he's focused and dowt in on learning
all of those things by the time he gets back,
which I mean, we were talking about an old ass,
Aaron Rodgers coming back from an achilleier, which I obviously
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is probably a much more it's a much more I
guess it's a worse more injury, a bigger surgery than
a meniscous repair. He'll probably be ready to go probably
halfway through the season. And if he's ready to go
halfway through the season and he's deactivated for the entire season,
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then he's going to start to get real physical reps
to go along with the mental reps that he's taking
while he's he's rehabbing himself back to health. So there
are there are some ways to take true advantage of
the fact that you're not active for this this rookie year,
so it makes the best I find.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
That odd that they basically called it a season ending injury.
Speaker 7 (09:47):
I do.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
I've never heard of a meniscus being a season ending injury.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
I've heard of it being at the most.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Probably like six weeks, like six weeks, six to eight weeks.
But I will say this, it's a tricky injury because again,
that's kind of what derailed my career. I was rushed
back from a meniscus tear and I came out on
the practice field and slipped and basically reinjured it like
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redid it. And so it's definitely there is something to
be said about allowing it the proper time to heal,
getting the proper time to stretch it and to strengthen
your leg so that it feels like it's brand new,
because otherwise that there are the there is the the
(10:37):
I guess, the possibilities of continuing to wear it down,
and then now you're starting to get into the conversations
of like microfractures and different things like that holes, you know,
bone on bone, like just wear and tear of once
that meniscus is injured and it's not it's not a
healthy meniscus. There's just a lot of little thing that
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could turn into big things as time wirds on.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
So if they made the decision to call hit season
when they did, they made the decision to move on
from Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
To move on from.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
It sounds like you're calling him Kurt every time you
say his name Kirk cos you sound like Jay Gruden
when Yeah, I don't know why you don't like emphasize the.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
K Kirk.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
That Kirk Cousins Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Like you don't finish the end of his name.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
I let the sea of his last name roll into
each other.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
Almost Kirk Cousins, it's almost one one name.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Is that like a Pennsylvania thing for? I don't know,
I think you're wearing off on show. Maybe isn't Jay
Gruden from Pennsylvania?
Speaker 5 (11:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I know John Gruden is right.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Yeah, you know, the real football I generally know where
you know, big time people are from Pittsburgh or PA.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't. We didn't claim the grudens.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
You didn't.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
They don't.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
How many wins are the Vikings gonna claim this year?
Speaker 4 (12:03):
It feels like, actually, that's what I was gonna say,
was the other part of it being a blessing in
disguise they could get another top draftick.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I was gonna say, so this year is kind of
a we've punted, you know.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
So we're punting oft Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Si Donald not punting on them.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
You won't hear that many times this season.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
I'm not punning on them, but they will have the
chance to get one of the top players in next
year's draft and maybe some more draft capital. I mean,
think about how this year worked out. They got JJ,
they obviously got what Dallas Turner too. They basically replaced
what they lost in free agency. Now they could get
another guy to to help out. I mean, now the
ownership and everyone else involved would have to be patient
(12:44):
understanding what's what's happening. But I think there's a chance
they could come out on the other side of this
with a better roster when it's all said and done.
Speaker 7 (12:54):
I think they can be competitive this year. I really do.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
I think outside and I made this point yesterday, outside
of the Detroit Lions, there's still question marks that's around
the NFC North.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
We can say all we want to say about Caleb
being a phenom, and he is, but I don't know
what that looks like in a regular season. I know
Jordan Love just got paid and had a tremendous end
of his season last year, that campaign went really well.
Not sure what Green Bay Packers will do. So if
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I'm Minnesota, I'm not punting on this season. There's there's
the opportunity, there's the chance that they can be competitive
within the NFC North.
Speaker 7 (13:36):
I do.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
I believe that, and I believe Sam Darnald is a
good enough quarterback, where again, I think it would have
been hard for a young JJ McCarthy to beat him out.
And so now that pressure is off of JJ McCarthy,
and that pressure is off of Sam Darnald, and there
could be that that could be the second blessing in
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disguise that Sam Darnald isn't looking over his shoulder in
terms of feeling like I'm one bad pass away from
them putting in JJ.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
It's like as a backup quarterback. I'm so excited for
Sam Darnold, Like that part of me that like you
always wish you would have had an opportunity to play
for a team with a play caller like Kevin O'Connell,
a star receiver, maybe the best in the NFL, and
Justin Jefferson like all the other pieces they have, Like
to your point, like I'm I'm excited to see what
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he's gonna be able to do because this is I mean,
San Francisco would have been the best situation he was
in last year, but he wasn't going into it with
really a shot of playing. It was like, all right,
if brockets hurt, maybe he goes in. That was kind
of it. Now this is legitimately his team for this
year and we'll see how things go. But he's gonna
have every opportunity to showcase what he's capable of and
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make up for whatever stigma or whatever narrative is attached
to his name. So that part of me is excited,
and I don't disagree, like I think you know they'll
be be able to be competitive for some of those reasons,
but if they're not, I still think they're Okay. On
the other side, I just think this team has had
a bad run of luck. I mean they had Teddy
Bridgewater go down right before the season, which, mind you,
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I think that led to Sam Bradford, which ended up
leading to case Keenum. Yeah, that season, which obviously went
to an NFC championship game. So that's like the one
thing I'd say if you're a Minnesota Vikings fan, I
don't know that you give up hope because you've seen
this story before kind of. But they did have Jeordan
Addison go down, then another wide receiver go down yesterday,
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Like it's this team has just been snake been a
bit by injuries.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Well we're going to get to see Sam Darnold sling
it on a one year deal. Maybe be the next
Geno Smith or Baker Mayfield and go out and prove
yourself and get a big time deal elsewhere.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
So it could be it could be fun to watch.
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Speaker 5 (16:45):
Son Reddick is envious.
Speaker 7 (16:48):
Yes, Matthew Judon, Yes he.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Is, because Matthew Judon out of there, got dealt, gone
from a bad situation, a new England piece where it
run its course, wanted a new deal. They adjusted some
things last year. They weren't going to be doing it
again this year, and so Matthew Judon is now an
Atlanta Falcon. They completed the trade yesterday. Jordan Schultz was
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the first to report on it. He goes to the
Falcons in exchange for a third round draft pick.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
Great pickup for Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Apparently the Falcons have been in the market for a
pass rusher. They were in the Montes Sweats sweepstakes. Easy
for me to say last year they were able to
pull this off. So now Matthew Judon goes to Atlanta,
he's a member of the Falcons.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Yeah, I mean, I'll say this, the dude is a
premiere edge player. He can play all four downs. If
people hadn't watched seen him play, he can play against
a run. He's not just a pass rusher, I would say.
I would say it's not a stretch to say that
he was when healthy, which is that's the biggest key
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when healthy. I would argue that he's their best player
on that team, and and he's an impact player and
and so to add him, you got young guys like Adbacattie.
Obviously he's a Penn stater, but I mean, he's This
should be a good breakout year for him. They have
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a pretty decent defensive front, and they have an offense
and it looks to be a much improved offense with
the addition of of Kirk Cousins and maybe even Michael Pennix.
Speaker 7 (18:24):
Coming in.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Who knows how that plays out, but one thing that
that rings true is when you have an offense that
can put up points, ed rusher's become super super important.
Because now you're talking about in a past first pass
first league, you're going to have to have guys that
they're they're the most important guys outside of coverage guys.
You gotta have guys that can get to the quarterback.
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Matthew Judon is one of those guys that can get
to the quarterback. Like I said, question for me Q
is can he stay healthy?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Yeah? He obviously couldn't. Last year. I mean and in
his two starts that we'll say this, he did have
four sacks. So you know, you look the previous two years,
who's incredibly productive. I think what's interesting is do you
remember all the flak that the Falcons got for drafting
Michael Pennix. Yeah, because everyone had slotted in there in
their mock drafts. All the dweebs out there in the
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mock drafts had slot no that they just everyone slotted
an edge rusher. That was where Dallas Turner was gonna go. Right, Like,
I don't know how many times I saw an edge
rusher go in a mock draft to Atlanta, and then
after the Michael Pennox pick, there's all this controversy everyone, well,
why do you sign cousins? Why are you all this
all this about the decision that they made. Well, it
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just so happens to work out. Like we're now where
those people now where the mock draft guys. Are they
just waiting for twenty twenty five or are they gonna
come back and say, oh, I guess what's wrong? You're gonnay,
it worked out for him. I mean, these sorts of
things happen. It's kind of why when you you find
fans who throw in the towel on their team after
the draft. It's just like, can we just wait and
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see how this all plays out? Like there's no reason
to overreact to what happens to the draft, Like you're
not a draft expert. I'm not a draft expert. Let's
just see how this whole thing plays out, all right,
That's all I'm saying. The only question I have is
like he was unhappy in New England because of his
contract situation. So you say he's traded, So Hassan Reddick
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is jealous? No, he's not. He'll be jealous when they
announce a contract that Atlanta signs with them. That's when
Hassan Reddik will be jealous if they don't announce any
restructuring to his contract.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Now within on the same situation's the same exact spot,
like what's changed.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Do you think Atlanta would do that? Seeing what's happened
with the San Reddick and the Jets.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
I would I would hope that not only the team wouldn't,
the agent wouldn't, because if you're a part of this
and you're his agent, like, you're gonna get fired too
if you can't figure out a way of getting something done.
Like I mean, the team's one thing, but they're the
ones who traded for you. They obviously want you. Now
it's about the agent be able to negotiate and get
something done too.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Just curious as to is this trend.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Are we on par with how agents, well not agents,
but how organizations are handling these these contract situations or
are they bracing for heavy penalties that they're going to
have to pay and listen, I don't I don't know
how much that has to do with your salary cap
may have nothing to do with it, but I just
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wonder are are are these lack of We're not going
to give out but so many big contracts or pay
so much and what we're doing based upon other things
outside of football, And I mean, I'm I am referencing
the judgment and I know it's still ongoing and it
may be a lot of time, but I mean, it's
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a large chunk of money, this whole judgment thing with
the Sunday ticket. I'm just curious as to are are
these teams? Are these organizations really really? Are they just
doing business, willing and dealing as usual or is there
some type of of hiding underline reason Because I've and
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if Ceedee Lamb doesn't get done by week one, which
I anticipate he will, but if he were not to
get done, that would be so out of character for
Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys to not get that
deal done.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
So what would be the reasoning for it being different?
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Is it just a matter of we did it with
Ezekiel Elliott didn't work out, We kind of did it
with with Dak Prescott, maybe didn't necessarily pan out the
way that we thought that it would pan out. But
there there are other teams that are I mean Like
again we mentioned Jamar Chase. He wants a contract, doesn't
look like he's gonna get He may not get it.
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You know, you have you have the Ayuk situation, which
I think is a little bit more clear cut. They
just don't want to pay him the amount that he wants.
But I just I'm just curious, is there any underlying
feelings or any underlying thoughts that we just don't want
to spend any absorbitant amounts of money on any players
right now, especially if it's not, you know, say a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I think there's multiple factors at play. The first, I'd
say is not knowing what the settlement or the results
going to be of the direct TV deal. I mean,
these owners have to have a lot of cash set
aside to figure out how they're going to pay that,
you know, if and when that toll comes. So that's
the first thing where I think there's maybe some owners
being cautious about it. The next thing is that I
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do think there's somewhat of a bubble. Obviously, the salary
cap is going to continue to keep going up, but
I think there's an element of owners saying like we
can't keep resetting the market with each position group and
every player. And you know, for example, this is no
disrespect for brettan I you, but I think we'd all
agree he's not better than Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
Is he no?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Okay? Him trying to reset and get paid more or
equivalent to Justin Jefferson. I think the forty nine ersre like, dude,
we love you, but you're not that player. Like there's
a reality that that's coming to where we lived in
a world back when players used to be able to
reset the market at their position group because they were
a number one wide receiver. They were that guy at
their position. I think we're entering into a world where
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that may not be the case moving forward. And the
last thing I'll just say is, you know, I go
back and forth on this because there's a lack of transparency.
All we really have are the Green Bay Packers books.
But you know, these these teams, they spend a lot
of money and they don't make quite as much profit
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as you think, and so it kind of depends on
each individual organization and their ownership and you know, really
where they're making their income. I mean, these are wealthy,
wealthy people, but they're also extremely wealthy in some cases
because of what's on their their balance sheet or their
(24:54):
income statement or their net worth, like they don't have
that much cash lying around if they don't have another
business outside of the NFL that's generating all this profit,
all this cash that they can then go and spend
on a player. That's in essence what you're doing with
some of these deals, because if you try to pay
some of these players what they're asking and you make
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it all on their base salary, you can't make it
work within the salary cap. So you then have to
adjust it by giving them a big signing bonus and
different bonuses within that allow you to not be hit
by you know, they not have a big hit on
the salary cap. So that's kind of the other element
of it is I think you're seeing owners too kind
of pushing back, like you know that we just we're
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not really sure what's going to happen here in the
next year with the settlement, but also like we just
we can't keep resetting the market every time there's a
guy up for a new deal. You just it's hitting ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
You guys, ready for a quick game show before we
go to Eddie Garcia. You ready for this right here
we go. Can you guess the team in the NFL
with the lowest win total heading into this season, according
to our friends at Draftkicks.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
All right, you've got the Carolina Panthers. Brady Quinn.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Who's your getting to New England Patriots?
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Brady Quinn? That is correct. You are the winner for
the team with the lowest.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Winding total heading the twenty twenty fourth season.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
At four and a half, they are going to be
a vomit bucket. It's over, it's still fast.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
He had that teaed up.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
He did have it.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Did that not clue you in on the fact that
clearly it was it was going to be New England?
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (26:35):
Yeah, But I just still figured I'd go with what
the right answer.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Appreciate it far. You know, you took a gamble there.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
I took a gamble. Who I think that?
Speaker 4 (26:43):
You know, by the way, you're not wrong.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
That'd be vomit is vomited.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
I mean it could be two people doing it, but
lands on one another.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
It's still vomiting.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Now, New England's going to be brutal this year.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
You think they're going to all do the Carolina Panthers
oh yeah, yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
They're it's gonna be pretty bad. I just I mean,
here's here's the one thing i'd say a boy knowing
was I just feel like, now they're gonna get exposed
for being cheap. That's what's going to happen. Like you
were able to make up for it through Tom Brady,
that is not going to be the case moving forward.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
You're losing your best player. That's your best player by far. Yeah,
that's your best player. So and you gave them away
for a third round pick. And like you guys said
Atlanta needed an edge resher, like going the first round
get an edge rusher. You didn't get an aedge rush.
You took a quarterback. And now you get another team's
best player at the very position that they would say
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you need that. And the point was made, but I
just think that that's crazy. You were able to do
it for a third round draft pick. Yep, gone, good
for you, Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Where you at now? Mock drafts? Where are you at now?
All you and your blogs and criticizing a common second?
Yeah take that. How do you feel about Atlanta now?
Huh yeah?
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Yeah, I can't stop with you on that.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Prisco, Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
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a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington and
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Speaker 2 (28:11):
Right now, Albert Breers in senior NFL reporter, lead content
strategist at the MMQB. You can get them on x
at Albert Breer AB. Good morning.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Where are you right now in your training camp tour?
Speaker 8 (28:24):
I'm that home.
Speaker 9 (28:25):
I was with Baltimore yesterday and I'll see my twentieth
and twenty first teams today. I'll I'm going to visit
the Eagles in the Patriots they play to night.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
All right, nice, nice, Hey, Albert, who's looked the best
to you so far? Like what team of you? Gontwin
said that team looks like they're gonna win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 9 (28:45):
Well, I saw San Francisco before all the injuries, and
they're I mean just loaded everywhere, you know, And that
was even without iuk out there. And you know, I
think they think that that Brock Party's got another level
in them. I had a great conversation nation with Brock
about how, yeah, he's sort of stereotyped, I guess, and
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how he sees there being like another level in his
game out there for him, and just what.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Is that level though, Like, like if we're being honest
with ourselves, like he's never going to have the strongest arm,
he's not gonna be the most athlete.
Speaker 8 (29:20):
This was what was weird about it.
Speaker 9 (29:22):
He said to me, He goes, I know, one says
that I'm a game manager. He's like, but I think
that that's the part of my game where I need
the most improvement. And you know, he said it showed
up in their inconsistencies offensively.
Speaker 8 (29:36):
He said that, like, you know, he has.
Speaker 9 (29:38):
To learn to kind of take a profit, you know
in certain situations, you know, when it's second and eleven,
take the six yard check down, you know. And he
said that he felt like it was his fault for
not managing situations properly last year in spots where you know,
they would hit little ruts as an offense. So he's
really I don't know, I know how much you've you know,
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interacted with him. Very He's a really reflective guy. He's
very I mean, he's just like like he doesn't take
anything personally, you know, like most guys would follow in
the draft like that take a super personal and everything else,
especially guys with that success, and he doesn't, you know,
he like saw it that. Yeah, Like there's a lot
of things I had to improve on. I screwed up
some things when I was in college that I could
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have done better. And you know that's why I think, like,
I think he's sustaining success to the quarterback. Now, is
he going to be on the Mahomes Alan Burrow level?
That's another question. But like you know, I I just
I've always been really impressed when I've had the chance
to sit down and talk with him, because he just
thinks a little differently than a lot of other guys.
You know. So San Francisco is really good. You know,
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I would say that there's the obvious when it's like Cincinnati,
if everybody's on the field is going to be really good.
I think Joe has really started to turn a corner
the last couple of weeks with the Risks, which is
great news. You know, the one that I think people
might not be paying a ton of attention to. Detroit's
gonna be really good. The one that I think people
might not be paying enough attention to that really has
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a chance to build on last year's success is Green Bay.
You know, they they've got a lot of and it's
not just Jordan Love. They've got like a handful of
young players who are sort of growing up together on
offense and what Jeff Hathley's doing with their defense where
they're gonna turn some guys loose a little more like
Rashaun Gary and and Devonte Wyatt and you know, even
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Kenny Clark like and play a little bit more aggressive
with their front.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
You know.
Speaker 9 (31:35):
I just look at Green Bay as this team that
like they finished strong last year, and I think a
lot of the players that they were relying on are
ascending still, right Like, So I'm not saying they're gonna,
you know, beat Detroit out in the North, but I think,
like what we saw at the end of last year,
there's like a there's a foundation of something very real there,
you know. And if you want a surprise team in
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the AFC, I mean maybe the Colts would be the
surprise a team in the AFC. Like the Colts. Again,
I'm not saying they're gonna overtake the Texans in the
ANFC South, but I think Shane Stiken's I think change
Stikin did a phenomenal job last year, and if they
can keep Anthony Richardson healthy, they could really have something.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
Aby.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
You mentioned the NFC North quite a bit in your response.
I'm curious with the injury and and the ending of
the season of effectively of JJ McCarthy. The storyline went from,
you know, ken JJ McCarthy advance enough to be able
to beat out Sam Donald too. Now it's Sam Donald's
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job to lead this team. Have you gotten and have
you gotten any information on how the team is approaching
this that that there that their confidence and Sam Donald
have a major a major piece or play. And as
to why they're giving uh JJ McCarthy the entire year
(32:58):
to to heal from from a maniscus injury, well, I
think it so, Labar.
Speaker 9 (33:05):
I think it starts with with Kevin O'Connell and his
stat's ability. I'm in confidence in their own ability to
develop and maximize quarterbacks.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
Right like.
Speaker 9 (33:15):
So I think that that's that's where it begins, you know,
And I think Sam Donold's story might not wind up
being all that different from Baker Mayfield or Gino Smiths,
where you know, he came into the league in a
bad situation, probably needed to sit was pretty raw and
like KIF was not in a great environment early on,
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and you know, now afforded some time a chance to
sit if you look like there are little blips and
you guys can go back and look at this at
the end of the season two years ago against Carolina,
I think the fourth quarter like this is the one
that stuck after me, the fourth quarter of that blowout
loss the Niners had last year to.
Speaker 8 (33:55):
The Ravens on Christmas Night. You know, Sam, to me,
at least, Sam.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
Looked like a different player. He looks like he's playing
faster and more decisive within the context of Kyle Shanahan's offense.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
Right, So you know, Kevin.
Speaker 9 (34:09):
And his staff and the front office saw I think
in Sam like there's something there and there's something that
like that that that he can really build on there
and a foundation for what we think can be a
successful quarterback. And really like what he's given them is
what the flexibility to sit JJ if they felt like
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that was always best for JJ. So you know, their
quarterback plan has been really detailed all along, and you know,
I know, you know Kevin's plan has been for to
make JJ hit certain benchmarks before he was going to
be out there in the field. But you know, one
of the reasons they paid ten million dollars for Sam
Donald is because they knew they were at all likelihood
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going to draft a quarterback and having Sam Donald on
him would give them the flexibility to sit back quarterback.
So I don't think this shakes up their plan very much.
And I do I do trust that Kevin's.
Speaker 8 (35:05):
Going to be able to get the most out.
Speaker 9 (35:06):
Of Sam Donald. I think Sam Donald's going to have
a pretty good year.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Get him on ex at.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Albert Breers, senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist for the MMQB,
joining us here this morning on Fox Sports Radio. AB,
what the hell is going to happen with this? This
asan reddick situation with the Jets. How's this going to
play out?
Speaker 9 (35:25):
Truly unpredictable because I mean, this is a guy who
has made some money, so he has some financial flexibility
to keep going with his holdout. And yet like for
a guy who's right thirty years old, like has not
he hasn't you know, he hasn't He hasn't scored that
huge payday. That not to say he hasn't made good money.
(35:47):
Like I said, he has, but he hasn't scored that
monster payday that like some of the other guys that
his position have, you know, And so like I think
for him, it's you know, like looking to get the
most out of what he's got left as a football player.
And I you know, I think that makes this unpredictable
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because he has been clearly very focused on trying to
get the most he can financially, you know here, and
I think, like, you know, in a way, it was
sort of savvy the way he handled it and saying like, yeah,
I trust that you guys are gonna be able to
get something done, and knowing like they gave up a
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third round pick for him, so he was going to
have the leverage if he didn't do a deal before
the deal before the.
Speaker 8 (36:34):
Trade was completed.
Speaker 9 (36:36):
So look, like, you know, I think ownerships involved in
this one. And you know, I think to some degree
that that that puts Joe Douglas and his staff in
a weird spot. You know, they let Bryce Huff go
and Brice Uff, I think is going to have a
big year in Philadelphia. He went at seventeen million dollars
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per year the Eagles. Hassan Reik's making fourteen. And I
think the other element here is the pass rusher market
is a little bit out of whack, right, Like, so
Nick Bosa makes thirty four million a year, Neil Hunter
makes twenty nine million a year, Ason Reddicks making fourteen. Now,
I'm not saying that Reddick is good a player or
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as complete a player as both are. Hunter, but if
you're a son Reddick, I mean, you certainly think it
better than half half of what those guys are, and
you're making half of what those guys are.
Speaker 7 (37:27):
So.
Speaker 9 (37:29):
You know, it'll be interesting to see as we get
closer through to the season and this becomes Okay, we've
given up a third round pick for him, We're trying
to win a super Bowl, right now, Let's see what
we can get done. I think, like sort of that's
where it turns into a battle of wills. But I
guess would be like things would probably heat up after
the final preseason game and if he get both through
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the cutdown.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Albert we got the news obviously the Matthew Judon trade
to Atlanta, but you know he was unhappy not getting
you know, his tractor restructure there. I mean, do you
think that we're gonna we're gonna hear something different, you know,
in the next week or so about his contract being
restructed in Atlanta.
Speaker 9 (38:08):
Now, yeah, I think that's possible, Brady, and I think
his situation similar Where they did they redid is his
field last year, right, And what they effectively did was
they moved money.
Speaker 8 (38:20):
From twenty twenty four to twenty twenty.
Speaker 9 (38:22):
Three, knowing that when they got to twenty twenty four
that was going to be a problem, you know. And
teams will do this sometimes where you move money forward
and you make the back end number smaller, knowing like
that player is probably not going to play for that
back end number. Now Atlanta convinced him to come in
and play on that number. Maybe my guess would be
they give him some sort of sweetener, maybe through incentives.
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But this is also a result of.
Speaker 8 (38:49):
You know, the pass rusher market, you know, and.
Speaker 9 (38:52):
And the gaps and what guys are making on the
pass rusher market. Like you know, Matthew Judeall isn't going
to give the fault and it shouldn't give the Falcon's
credit for the money the Patriots paid him over the
last few years. So he certainly could look at this
and say, you're paying me a small percentage of what
Nick Bosa makes of what the meal hunter makes. I'm
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making less than half of what Hassan Reddick is making,
and he's holding out, So you got to do something
to sweeten the deal for me a little bit. And
he's another one. He turns thirty two today. He's another
one where you know, the sands in the hour glass
are are are are not where they were, you know,
three or four years ago, So.
Speaker 8 (39:31):
You know it's it's certainly something. You see the.
Speaker 9 (39:34):
Sort of desperation that the Falcons have in their pass
rush and moving a third round pick for a thirty
two year old pass rushur in a contract you're coming
off an injury. And I think part of this is,
you know, the price they paid for taking Pennic States
overall instead of somebody like Dallas Turner or Byron Murphy,
you know, or Layatu Latu, like they could have taken
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one of those guys dates overall. Instead they hear quarterbacks
and now they've got to flip the three to go
get a pass rusher. So you see how badly they
badly they needed it, needed that, and it's reflected in
the return here. So certainly, if Judon wants to push
the issue. He does have leverage to do that.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
What what or how do you think or or are
you hearing in terms of what the Browns are doing,
how they're handling.
Speaker 7 (40:25):
The situation with Mike Hall Junior.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
Is this a bad decision on Cleveland's part to have
had Mike Mike Hall Junior still there and not yeah, okay,
go ahead, you got it.
Speaker 8 (40:38):
Got yeah?
Speaker 7 (40:39):
No.
Speaker 9 (40:39):
I mean, like, look like I Cleveland has taken a
lot of risks over the last few years, right Like,
they've rolled the dice on a lot of guys, you know,
and I obviously there's a big one. We all know
what the big one was, right, But they've they've taken
they've taken calculated risks like this, And I think part
of it's been because they didn't have first round picks for.
Speaker 8 (40:59):
A few years.
Speaker 9 (40:59):
So how do you make up for that? Like, you
make up for it by trying and going and getting
first round talents outside of the first round. And to
do that, a lot of times you have to take brisks,
whether they're off field, injury, whatever it is. Right Like,
so this was them, you know, taking a swing for
the fence with a guy who's the first round talent?
Speaker 8 (41:16):
Who?
Speaker 9 (41:17):
I mean, Brady, You've been throwing Higo State enough, you
know over the last couple of years to know the
deal with Mike Hall pretty well.
Speaker 8 (41:23):
I'm sure.
Speaker 9 (41:24):
Like I like, this was a guy where like the
Ohio State coaches didn't know what they they would get
on a day to day basis, and everyone in the
league knew like that there were.
Speaker 8 (41:32):
Some issues with him.
Speaker 9 (41:33):
Now did anybody see this coming? Probably not, But there
were definitely off field flags on him, which is why
a first round talent falls into the second round. So
to look at it and say, well, you know, that's
unfortunate for the Browns. No, the Browns knew what they
were were what they were doing when they took them.
You know, this is a guy who was off some
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team's boards, and so I mean, I yeah.
Speaker 8 (41:58):
I it's you know, it's especially.
Speaker 9 (42:00):
With something like this, I mean, this is this is
something where I think, if you're the team like I think,
he almost unless you know sign is possible, unless you
know you have some sort of piece of valuable information
that it's not going to turn out the way it
looks on the surface, then I think it's sort of
incumbent on you.
Speaker 8 (42:20):
To take the kid.
Speaker 9 (42:21):
I'm going to the spotlight, take them off the field,
take the story away from the team so you can
let the rest of the team prepare for the year.
But I mean the Browns, I mean the Browns. Aren't
you know you can't absolve the Browns here. I mean,
like I said, like the offfield risk was there and
beon just that, guys, and you guys know this too,
Like a lot of times when you're taking a kid
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who is local, who is right near like where he
grew up and the people he grew up around it,
a lot of times I can exacerbate, exacerbate the problem,
you know, and you know certainly that that seems like
that's part.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Of the case here, toot abe Before I let you go,
we got a thirty seconds, but curious Ceedee Lamb, Jamar
Chase Brandon Ayuk, who's the first to get done?
Speaker 8 (43:11):
I would say.
Speaker 9 (43:13):
I would have said Lamb. Last week, I might say Ayuk. Now,
it just feels like the Niners are trying to force
a conclusion, whether it's a trade or as signing. So
you know, we've talked about how the Niners have sort
of tried to play forty jests here might work out
for them to get him signed long term. I think
Lamb gets done before the season starts, but maybe maybe next.
Speaker 8 (43:34):
Week, the week after.
Speaker 9 (43:35):
And then I think a Chase gets a deal done
and it happens right before the opener.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
There he is. I get him.
Speaker 8 (43:41):
Def not a win. That's not a win.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Get him on x at Albert Brier, Senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the mmqb ab, we appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (43:49):
We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 8 (43:52):
I think
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
You know, we were waiting to see, all right, what
was it going to be a little bit of a
surgery and JJ McCarthy would miss, you know, after a
trim a few weeks, or would it be a full
repair and he'd be done for the whole season. We
got our news yesterday JJ McCarthy out for the entire season,
full repair of his torn meniscus that he suffered in
(00:36):
the preseason game against the Raiders over the weekend. And
so Kevin O'Connell, the head coach of the Vikings, spoke
about it after the news came out.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Everyone should just be, you know, excited about the fact
that we've got our young franchise quarterback. I believe in
the building. And now it's about the unique aspect of
continuing a very critical development process for him where maybe
the physical reps aren't going to be there in the
short term, but this is going.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
To be a bump, small bump in the road.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Other quarterbacks in our league have gone through similar things
early on in their journey, and and and came back
stronger and better than ever. And that is not only
my expectation. I know that is going to happen for JJ.
So we'll have a great plan for him, uh you know,
not only in the quarterback room with those other guys,
but a process so him and I can continue to
(01:23):
build Arverport and and make sure there's a day.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
To day football process.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
But early on, most importantly, it's going to be about
that rehab in the physical aspect.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Sam Darnold, step right up.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
That's right, baby, yep, LeVar. Have you ever had a
tormentiscus or Jonathan, That's.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
That's been That was the Achilles hill my career I
did the tors was yeah, like really it led. It
eventually led to me tearing my a cl Like got
I was pretty explosive, and for the amount of pressure
and force I would apply to my legs and the
(02:01):
things that I would do, I had to get multiple
like multiples of meniscus cleans, cleanups. You tore your a cl, No,
my my achilles, Oh you said a cl My achilles
tendont not my a cl. But it led to to
my achilles tendant because I was off balance by the
(02:23):
time I got to that point in my career, I
had had so many cleanings of my my meniscus that,
you know, just it just led to to other things,
you know, getting in the way. So you've torn your meniscus, yes, Brady,
have you torn your meniscus?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I have, damn Yeah. Yeah, dislocated my kneecap. The dislocation
you told this story. Yeah, playing basketball, had a few
too many throat burners, some old styles out of a
cooler and mom with Illinois playing with.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Your playing drunk basketball.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Yeah, yeah, that's it was.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
You know, we had played cornhole for about an hour
and a half and I was teaming up with my
girlfriend against my brother and my cousin.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
She was, she was horrendoed.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
She was you had to pick up the low yeah,
she was horrendous.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Through a bad pass that did everything.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Then I came down popped my kneecap, but I tore
my meniscus and at a bone bruise the knee cap,
the knee cap was was popped back in and that
wasn't really the issue. It was the meniscus and the
bone bruise that was always the lingering problem.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
So I did not have that.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
On my bingo card that you tore your mediscus playing
drunk basketball after a game of corn.
Speaker 7 (03:41):
Hole team with your girlfriend.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Is that that common?
Speaker 5 (03:45):
What do you mean drunk back drunk basketball? It's Monmouth.
You know, there's not a lot going on.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I just I don't suspect people are like having a
few beers, like, you know what, let's go play a
pickup game basketball.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Didn't make any noises when when it like that sounds
like one of them injuries where where either you just
go into shock and you say nothing or.
Speaker 7 (04:09):
Let scream out.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
It sounded a little bit something like no, no, I
did not.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
I remember exactly what it sounded like.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I told my brother when I reached down to my
leg and I felt my kneecap on the side, and
I'm like, I just felt this canyon on my knee.
And I told my brother. I was like, hey, Adam,
I'm done. I pop my knee, Pop my knee, Adam,
I'm done.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
I'm done.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
He goes stop being a you know what, uh, you
know fill in the blank there right, yes, okay, you know,
get up, man, let's finish the game.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
Stop.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, something like that, insert the P and uh And
I said no, no, I'm I'm really dandy. He lifts up
my pant leg and goes, oh god, oh god, all right, yeah,
we're gonna have to do something here, and yeah, they
had My cousin was a luckily uh a paramedic or
(05:01):
an EMT or whatever you want to say it is,
and popped it back in. We put some she had,
like some makeshift ace bandages we put on it, and
then you know, drove to the hospital.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
How sober were you in that moment?
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Not at all, Not really.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
I was usually something like that happens, you sober up quick.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yes, later, because we did end up going for some reason,
we thought it was a good idea to go some
hole in the wall bar afterwards.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Because people were hungry. I was like, no, I'll think
I'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
You know, once she popped it in, it felt okay,
But my leg was just shaking the whole time, like
I had no stability, Like, no, no.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
You are walking? Yeah? Were you limping?
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yeah, which does make Jaj McCarthy's performance in the preseason
game that much more impressive.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Oh yes, he's damn hockey player. I don't even know
about the injury until afterwards.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Hey, coach, I tore up my moniscus there.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You know the hey coach, he he's a little wonky coach.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Yeah, coach, I gotta go check out the trainer. Coach.
I think someone's going on here. This actually might be
a blessing in this guy's.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
Man saying words. That's it. But I'm glad you said
to go it. I'm a player.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Well, I think you look at a lot of the
quarterbacks who of late have excelled, who were first round picks.
They got to sit there, you go, they get to
sit watch learn, you know, they got to. They got
to kind of you and you're a Kevin O'Connell talk
about how he's gonna be able to go through a
process now mentally and so the mental side of things,
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as far as knowing the offense, you know, knowing how
teams are, you know, the personnel, how they're preparing all
those things. He's going to have that down. It's not
just going to be the physical. And I think the
physical is gonna be just fine. You know, this isn't
a moniscus. It's tough. You know, as you pointed out, LeVar,
there will probably be some cleanups down the road. But
he's not the same type of athlete that you were,
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So I maybe it's not going to be quite as much.
You know, I don't know his medical history. I just
know that he'll come back from this one hundred percent
healthy for twenty five and I think he'll be better
off for it as well.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
I think that's I mean, you hate to say a
season ending injury is a blessing in disguise, but it
certainly takes the pressure off of him in terms of
that first year that first year performance. Can he beat
out Sam Darnold? How is he playing? Once he gets
in all of the judgments that take place, He's learning
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on the fly, and now with with the benefit of
being able to actually learn, get into the the playbook,
understand what the coaches are looking for, understand what the
schedule feels like, because he you're you're relatively like a
ghost when when you're not an active player, and when
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I'm what I mean by that is, if you're not up,
it's kind of like, you know, hey, how you doing okay?
Speaker 7 (07:52):
Good, Like you.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
Don't really have it's not really like you're a part
of everything because well, you're hurt. So he gets an
opportunity to be a fly on the wall, sit in
and on the meetings, he should be really really investing
in the mental aspect of what it's going to take
for him to be a successful a successful pro. And
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when you have those opportunities, even to be on the sideline,
be in the in game, in game situations where you're
listening to what the offensive coordinator is saying, what the
what the head coach is saying, what's going on over
the headsets? You know, what are the adjustments, what are
they talking about when the offense comes off of off
of the field, all those moments in time, if he's
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taking the mental reps and he's taking this seriously and
he's present and he's focused and dowt in on learning
all of those things by the time he gets back,
which I mean, we were talking about an old ass,
Aaron Rodgers coming back from an achilleier, which I obviously
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is probably a much more it's a much more I
guess it's a worse more injury, a bigger surgery than
a meniscous repair. He'll probably be ready to go probably
halfway through the season. And if he's ready to go
halfway through the season and he's deactivated for the entire season,
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then he's going to start to get real physical reps
to go along with the mental reps that he's taking
while he's he's rehabbing himself back to health. So there
are there are some ways to take true advantage of
the fact that you're not active for this this rookie year,
so it makes the best I find.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
That odd that they basically called it a season ending injury.
Speaker 7 (09:47):
I do.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
I've never heard of a meniscus being a season ending injury.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
I've heard of it being at the most.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Probably like six weeks, like six weeks, six to eight weeks.
But I will say this, it's a tricky injury because again,
that's kind of what derailed my career. I was rushed
back from a meniscus tear and I came out on
the practice field and slipped and basically reinjured it like
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redid it. And so it's definitely there is something to
be said about allowing it the proper time to heal,
getting the proper time to stretch it and to strengthen
your leg so that it feels like it's brand new,
because otherwise that there are the there is the the
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I guess, the possibilities of continuing to wear it down,
and then now you're starting to get into the conversations
of like microfractures and different things like that holes, you know,
bone on bone, like just wear and tear of once
that meniscus is injured and it's not it's not a
healthy meniscus. There's just a lot of little thing that
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could turn into big things as time wirds on.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
So if they made the decision to call hit season
when they did, they made the decision to move on
from Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
To move on from.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
It sounds like you're calling him Kurt every time you
say his name Kirk cos you sound like Jay Gruden
when Yeah, I don't know why you don't like emphasize the.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
K Kirk.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
That Kirk Cousins Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Like you don't finish the end of his name.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
I let the sea of his last name roll into
each other.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
Almost Kirk Cousins, it's almost one one name.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Is that like a Pennsylvania thing for? I don't know,
I think you're wearing off on show. Maybe isn't Jay
Gruden from Pennsylvania?
Speaker 5 (11:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I know John Gruden is right.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Yeah, you know, the real football I generally know where
you know, big time people are from Pittsburgh or PA.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't. We didn't claim the grudens.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
You didn't.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
They don't.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
How many wins are the Vikings gonna claim this year?
Speaker 4 (12:03):
It feels like, actually, that's what I was gonna say,
was the other part of it being a blessing in
disguise they could get another top draftick.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I was gonna say, so this year is kind of
a we've punted, you know.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
So we're punting oft Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Si Donald not punting on them.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
You won't hear that many times this season.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
I'm not punning on them, but they will have the
chance to get one of the top players in next
year's draft and maybe some more draft capital. I mean,
think about how this year worked out. They got JJ,
they obviously got what Dallas Turner too. They basically replaced
what they lost in free agency. Now they could get
another guy to to help out. I mean, now the
ownership and everyone else involved would have to be patient
(12:44):
understanding what's what's happening. But I think there's a chance
they could come out on the other side of this
with a better roster when it's all said and done.
Speaker 7 (12:54):
I think they can be competitive this year. I really do.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
I think outside and I made this point yesterday, outside
of the Detroit Lions, there's still question marks that's around
the NFC North.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
We can say all we want to say about Caleb
being a phenom, and he is, but I don't know
what that looks like in a regular season. I know
Jordan Love just got paid and had a tremendous end
of his season last year, that campaign went really well.
Not sure what Green Bay Packers will do. So if
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I'm Minnesota, I'm not punting on this season. There's there's
the opportunity, there's the chance that they can be competitive
within the NFC North.
Speaker 7 (13:36):
I do.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
I believe that, and I believe Sam Darnald is a
good enough quarterback, where again, I think it would have
been hard for a young JJ McCarthy to beat him out.
And so now that pressure is off of JJ McCarthy,
and that pressure is off of Sam Darnald, and there
could be that that could be the second blessing in
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disguise that Sam Darnald isn't looking over his shoulder in
terms of feeling like I'm one bad pass away from
them putting in JJ.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
It's like as a backup quarterback. I'm so excited for
Sam Darnold, Like that part of me that like you
always wish you would have had an opportunity to play
for a team with a play caller like Kevin O'Connell,
a star receiver, maybe the best in the NFL, and
Justin Jefferson like all the other pieces they have, Like
to your point, like I'm I'm excited to see what
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he's gonna be able to do because this is I mean,
San Francisco would have been the best situation he was
in last year, but he wasn't going into it with
really a shot of playing. It was like, all right,
if brockets hurt, maybe he goes in. That was kind
of it. Now this is legitimately his team for this
year and we'll see how things go. But he's gonna
have every opportunity to showcase what he's capable of and
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make up for whatever stigma or whatever narrative is attached
to his name. So that part of me is excited,
and I don't disagree, like I think you know they'll
be be able to be competitive for some of those reasons,
but if they're not, I still think they're Okay. On
the other side, I just think this team has had
a bad run of luck. I mean they had Teddy
Bridgewater go down right before the season, which, mind you,
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I think that led to Sam Bradford, which ended up
leading to case Keenum. Yeah, that season, which obviously went
to an NFC championship game. So that's like the one
thing I'd say if you're a Minnesota Vikings fan, I
don't know that you give up hope because you've seen
this story before kind of. But they did have Jeordan
Addison go down, then another wide receiver go down yesterday,
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Like it's this team has just been snake been a
bit by injuries.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Well we're going to get to see Sam Darnold sling
it on a one year deal. Maybe be the next
Geno Smith or Baker Mayfield and go out and prove
yourself and get a big time deal elsewhere.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
So it could be it could be fun to watch.
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Speaker 7 (16:03):
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Speaker 6 (16:04):
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Speaker 5 (16:45):
Son Reddick is envious.
Speaker 7 (16:48):
Yes, Matthew Judon, Yes he.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Is, because Matthew Judon out of there, got dealt, gone
from a bad situation, a new England piece where it
run its course, wanted a new deal. They adjusted some
things last year. They weren't going to be doing it
again this year, and so Matthew Judon is now an
Atlanta Falcon. They completed the trade yesterday. Jordan Schultz was
(17:12):
the first to report on it. He goes to the
Falcons in exchange for a third round draft pick.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
Great pickup for Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Apparently the Falcons have been in the market for a
pass rusher. They were in the Montes Sweats sweepstakes. Easy
for me to say last year they were able to
pull this off. So now Matthew Judon goes to Atlanta,
he's a member of the Falcons.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Yeah, I mean, I'll say this, the dude is a
premiere edge player. He can play all four downs. If
people hadn't watched seen him play, he can play against
a run. He's not just a pass rusher, I would say.
I would say it's not a stretch to say that
he was when healthy, which is that's the biggest key
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when healthy. I would argue that he's their best player
on that team, and and he's an impact player and
and so to add him, you got young guys like Adbacattie.
Obviously he's a Penn stater, but I mean, he's This
should be a good breakout year for him. They have
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a pretty decent defensive front, and they have an offense
and it looks to be a much improved offense with
the addition of of Kirk Cousins and maybe even Michael Pennix.
Speaker 7 (18:24):
Coming in.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Who knows how that plays out, but one thing that
that rings true is when you have an offense that
can put up points, ed rusher's become super super important.
Because now you're talking about in a past first pass
first league, you're going to have to have guys that
they're they're the most important guys outside of coverage guys.
You gotta have guys that can get to the quarterback.
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Matthew Judon is one of those guys that can get
to the quarterback. Like I said, question for me Q
is can he stay healthy?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Yeah? He obviously couldn't. Last year. I mean and in
his two starts that we'll say this, he did have
four sacks. So you know, you look the previous two years,
who's incredibly productive. I think what's interesting is do you
remember all the flak that the Falcons got for drafting
Michael Pennix. Yeah, because everyone had slotted in there in
their mock drafts. All the dweebs out there in the
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mock drafts had slot no that they just everyone slotted
an edge rusher. That was where Dallas Turner was gonna go. Right, Like,
I don't know how many times I saw an edge
rusher go in a mock draft to Atlanta, and then
after the Michael Pennox pick, there's all this controversy everyone, well,
why do you sign cousins? Why are you all this
all this about the decision that they made. Well, it
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just so happens to work out. Like we're now where
those people now where the mock draft guys. Are they
just waiting for twenty twenty five or are they gonna
come back and say, oh, I guess what's wrong? You're gonnay,
it worked out for him. I mean, these sorts of
things happen. It's kind of why when you you find
fans who throw in the towel on their team after
the draft. It's just like, can we just wait and
(19:55):
see how this all plays out? Like there's no reason
to overreact to what happens to the draft, Like you're
not a draft expert. I'm not a draft expert. Let's
just see how this whole thing plays out, all right,
That's all I'm saying. The only question I have is
like he was unhappy in New England because of his
contract situation. So you say he's traded, So Hassan Reddick
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is jealous? No, he's not. He'll be jealous when they
announce a contract that Atlanta signs with them. That's when
Hassan Reddik will be jealous if they don't announce any
restructuring to his contract.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Now within on the same situation's the same exact spot,
like what's changed.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Do you think Atlanta would do that? Seeing what's happened
with the San Reddick and the Jets.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
I would I would hope that not only the team wouldn't,
the agent wouldn't, because if you're a part of this
and you're his agent, like, you're gonna get fired too
if you can't figure out a way of getting something done.
Like I mean, the team's one thing, but they're the
ones who traded for you. They obviously want you. Now
it's about the agent be able to negotiate and get
something done too.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Just curious as to is this trend.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Are we on par with how agents, well not agents,
but how organizations are handling these these contract situations or
are they bracing for heavy penalties that they're going to
have to pay and listen, I don't I don't know
how much that has to do with your salary cap
may have nothing to do with it, but I just
(21:21):
wonder are are are these lack of We're not going
to give out but so many big contracts or pay
so much and what we're doing based upon other things
outside of football, And I mean, I'm I am referencing
the judgment and I know it's still ongoing and it
may be a lot of time, but I mean, it's
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a large chunk of money, this whole judgment thing with
the Sunday ticket. I'm just curious as to are are
these teams? Are these organizations really really? Are they just
doing business, willing and dealing as usual or is there
some type of of hiding underline reason Because I've and
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if Ceedee Lamb doesn't get done by week one, which
I anticipate he will, but if he were not to
get done, that would be so out of character for
Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys to not get that
deal done.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
So what would be the reasoning for it being different?
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Is it just a matter of we did it with
Ezekiel Elliott didn't work out, We kind of did it
with with Dak Prescott, maybe didn't necessarily pan out the
way that we thought that it would pan out. But
there there are other teams that are I mean Like
again we mentioned Jamar Chase. He wants a contract, doesn't
look like he's gonna get He may not get it.
(22:44):
You know, you have you have the Ayuk situation, which
I think is a little bit more clear cut. They
just don't want to pay him the amount that he wants.
But I just I'm just curious, is there any underlying
feelings or any underlying thoughts that we just don't want
to spend any absorbitant amounts of money on any players
right now, especially if it's not, you know, say a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I think there's multiple factors at play. The first, I'd
say is not knowing what the settlement or the results
going to be of the direct TV deal. I mean,
these owners have to have a lot of cash set
aside to figure out how they're going to pay that,
you know, if and when that toll comes. So that's
the first thing where I think there's maybe some owners
being cautious about it. The next thing is that I
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do think there's somewhat of a bubble. Obviously, the salary
cap is going to continue to keep going up, but
I think there's an element of owners saying like we
can't keep resetting the market with each position group and
every player. And you know, for example, this is no
disrespect for brettan I you, but I think we'd all
agree he's not better than Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
Is he no?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Okay? Him trying to reset and get paid more or
equivalent to Justin Jefferson. I think the forty nine ersre like, dude,
we love you, but you're not that player. Like there's
a reality that that's coming to where we lived in
a world back when players used to be able to
reset the market at their position group because they were
a number one wide receiver. They were that guy at
their position. I think we're entering into a world where
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that may not be the case moving forward. And the
last thing I'll just say is, you know, I go
back and forth on this because there's a lack of transparency.
All we really have are the Green Bay Packers books.
But you know, these these teams, they spend a lot
of money and they don't make quite as much profit
(24:33):
as you think, and so it kind of depends on
each individual organization and their ownership and you know, really
where they're making their income. I mean, these are wealthy,
wealthy people, but they're also extremely wealthy in some cases
because of what's on their their balance sheet or their
(24:54):
income statement or their net worth, like they don't have
that much cash lying around if they don't have another
business outside of the NFL that's generating all this profit,
all this cash that they can then go and spend
on a player. That's in essence what you're doing with
some of these deals, because if you try to pay
some of these players what they're asking and you make
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it all on their base salary, you can't make it
work within the salary cap. So you then have to
adjust it by giving them a big signing bonus and
different bonuses within that allow you to not be hit
by you know, they not have a big hit on
the salary cap. So that's kind of the other element
of it is I think you're seeing owners too kind
of pushing back, like you know that we just we're
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not really sure what's going to happen here in the
next year with the settlement, but also like we just
we can't keep resetting the market every time there's a
guy up for a new deal. You just it's hitting ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
You guys, ready for a quick game show before we
go to Eddie Garcia. You ready for this right here
we go. Can you guess the team in the NFL
with the lowest win total heading into this season, according
to our friends at Draftkicks.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
All right, you've got the Carolina Panthers. Brady Quinn.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Who's your getting to New England Patriots?
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Brady Quinn? That is correct. You are the winner for
the team with the lowest.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Winding total heading the twenty twenty fourth season.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
At four and a half, they are going to be
a vomit bucket. It's over, it's still fast.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
He had that teaed up.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
He did have it.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Did that not clue you in on the fact that
clearly it was it was going to be New England?
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (26:35):
Yeah, But I just still figured I'd go with what
the right answer.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Appreciate it far. You know, you took a gamble there.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
I took a gamble. Who I think that?
Speaker 4 (26:43):
You know, by the way, you're not wrong.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
That'd be vomit is vomited.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
I mean it could be two people doing it, but
lands on one another.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
It's still vomiting.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Now, New England's going to be brutal this year.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
You think they're going to all do the Carolina Panthers
oh yeah, yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
They're it's gonna be pretty bad. I just I mean,
here's here's the one thing i'd say a boy knowing
was I just feel like, now they're gonna get exposed
for being cheap. That's what's going to happen. Like you
were able to make up for it through Tom Brady,
that is not going to be the case moving forward.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
You're losing your best player. That's your best player by far. Yeah,
that's your best player. So and you gave them away
for a third round pick. And like you guys said
Atlanta needed an edge resher, like going the first round
get an edge rusher. You didn't get an aedge rush.
You took a quarterback. And now you get another team's
best player at the very position that they would say
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you need that. And the point was made, but I
just think that that's crazy. You were able to do
it for a third round draft pick. Yep, gone, good
for you, Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Where you at now? Mock drafts? Where are you at now?
All you and your blogs and criticizing a common second?
Yeah take that. How do you feel about Atlanta now?
Huh yeah?
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Yeah, I can't stop with you on that.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Prisco, Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
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Speaker 2 (28:11):
Right now, Albert Breers in senior NFL reporter, lead content
strategist at the MMQB. You can get them on x
at Albert Breer AB. Good morning.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Where are you right now in your training camp tour?
Speaker 8 (28:24):
I'm that home.
Speaker 9 (28:25):
I was with Baltimore yesterday and I'll see my twentieth
and twenty first teams today. I'll I'm going to visit
the Eagles in the Patriots they play to night.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
All right, nice, nice, Hey, Albert, who's looked the best
to you so far? Like what team of you? Gontwin
said that team looks like they're gonna win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 9 (28:45):
Well, I saw San Francisco before all the injuries, and
they're I mean just loaded everywhere, you know, And that
was even without iuk out there. And you know, I
think they think that that Brock Party's got another level
in them. I had a great conversation nation with Brock
about how, yeah, he's sort of stereotyped, I guess, and
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how he sees there being like another level in his
game out there for him, and just what.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Is that level though, Like, like if we're being honest
with ourselves, like he's never going to have the strongest arm,
he's not gonna be the most athlete.
Speaker 8 (29:20):
This was what was weird about it.
Speaker 9 (29:22):
He said to me, He goes, I know, one says
that I'm a game manager. He's like, but I think
that that's the part of my game where I need
the most improvement. And you know, he said it showed
up in their inconsistencies offensively.
Speaker 8 (29:36):
He said that, like, you know, he has.
Speaker 9 (29:38):
To learn to kind of take a profit, you know
in certain situations, you know, when it's second and eleven,
take the six yard check down, you know. And he
said that he felt like it was his fault for
not managing situations properly last year in spots where you know,
they would hit little ruts as an offense. So he's
really I don't know, I know how much you've you know,
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interacted with him. Very He's a really reflective guy. He's
very I mean, he's just like like he doesn't take
anything personally, you know, like most guys would follow in
the draft like that take a super personal and everything else,
especially guys with that success, and he doesn't, you know,
he like saw it that. Yeah, Like there's a lot
of things I had to improve on. I screwed up
some things when I was in college that I could
(30:21):
have done better. And you know that's why I think, like,
I think he's sustaining success to the quarterback. Now, is
he going to be on the Mahomes Alan Burrow level?
That's another question. But like you know, I I just
I've always been really impressed when I've had the chance
to sit down and talk with him, because he just
thinks a little differently than a lot of other guys.
You know. So San Francisco is really good. You know,
(30:46):
I would say that there's the obvious when it's like Cincinnati,
if everybody's on the field is going to be really good.
I think Joe has really started to turn a corner
the last couple of weeks with the Risks, which is
great news. You know, the one that I think people
might not be paying a ton of attention to. Detroit's
gonna be really good. The one that I think people
might not be paying enough attention to that really has
(31:07):
a chance to build on last year's success is Green Bay.
You know, they they've got a lot of and it's
not just Jordan Love. They've got like a handful of
young players who are sort of growing up together on
offense and what Jeff Hathley's doing with their defense where
they're gonna turn some guys loose a little more like
Rashaun Gary and and Devonte Wyatt and you know, even
(31:30):
Kenny Clark like and play a little bit more aggressive
with their front.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
You know.
Speaker 9 (31:35):
I just look at Green Bay as this team that
like they finished strong last year, and I think a
lot of the players that they were relying on are
ascending still, right Like, So I'm not saying they're gonna,
you know, beat Detroit out in the North, but I think,
like what we saw at the end of last year,
there's like a there's a foundation of something very real there,
you know. And if you want a surprise team in
(31:57):
the AFC, I mean maybe the Colts would be the
surprise a team in the AFC. Like the Colts. Again,
I'm not saying they're gonna overtake the Texans in the
ANFC South, but I think Shane Stiken's I think change
Stikin did a phenomenal job last year, and if they
can keep Anthony Richardson healthy, they could really have something.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
Aby.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
You mentioned the NFC North quite a bit in your response.
I'm curious with the injury and and the ending of
the season of effectively of JJ McCarthy. The storyline went from,
you know, ken JJ McCarthy advance enough to be able
to beat out Sam Donald too. Now it's Sam Donald's
(32:38):
job to lead this team. Have you gotten and have
you gotten any information on how the team is approaching
this that that there that their confidence and Sam Donald
have a major a major piece or play. And as
to why they're giving uh JJ McCarthy the entire year
(32:58):
to to heal from from a maniscus injury, well, I
think it so, Labar.
Speaker 9 (33:05):
I think it starts with with Kevin O'Connell and his
stat's ability. I'm in confidence in their own ability to
develop and maximize quarterbacks.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
Right like.
Speaker 9 (33:15):
So I think that that's that's where it begins, you know,
And I think Sam Donold's story might not wind up
being all that different from Baker Mayfield or Gino Smiths,
where you know, he came into the league in a
bad situation, probably needed to sit was pretty raw and
like KIF was not in a great environment early on,
(33:36):
and you know, now afforded some time a chance to
sit if you look like there are little blips and
you guys can go back and look at this at
the end of the season two years ago against Carolina,
I think the fourth quarter like this is the one
that stuck after me, the fourth quarter of that blowout
loss the Niners had last year to.
Speaker 8 (33:55):
The Ravens on Christmas Night. You know, Sam, to me,
at least, Sam.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
Looked like a different player. He looks like he's playing
faster and more decisive within the context of Kyle Shanahan's offense.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
Right, So you know, Kevin.
Speaker 9 (34:09):
And his staff and the front office saw I think
in Sam like there's something there and there's something that
like that that that he can really build on there
and a foundation for what we think can be a
successful quarterback. And really like what he's given them is
what the flexibility to sit JJ if they felt like
(34:29):
that was always best for JJ. So you know, their
quarterback plan has been really detailed all along, and you know,
I know, you know Kevin's plan has been for to
make JJ hit certain benchmarks before he was going to
be out there in the field. But you know, one
of the reasons they paid ten million dollars for Sam
Donald is because they knew they were at all likelihood
(34:52):
going to draft a quarterback and having Sam Donald on
him would give them the flexibility to sit back quarterback.
So I don't think this shakes up their plan very much.
And I do I do trust that Kevin's.
Speaker 8 (35:05):
Going to be able to get the most out.
Speaker 9 (35:06):
Of Sam Donald. I think Sam Donald's going to have
a pretty good year.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Get him on ex at.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Albert Breers, senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist for the MMQB,
joining us here this morning on Fox Sports Radio. AB,
what the hell is going to happen with this? This
asan reddick situation with the Jets. How's this going to
play out?
Speaker 9 (35:25):
Truly unpredictable because I mean, this is a guy who
has made some money, so he has some financial flexibility
to keep going with his holdout. And yet like for
a guy who's right thirty years old, like has not
he hasn't you know, he hasn't He hasn't scored that
huge payday. That not to say he hasn't made good money.
(35:47):
Like I said, he has, but he hasn't scored that
monster payday that like some of the other guys that
his position have, you know, And so like I think
for him, it's you know, like looking to get the
most out of what he's got left as a football player.
And I you know, I think that makes this unpredictable
(36:08):
because he has been clearly very focused on trying to
get the most he can financially, you know here, and
I think, like, you know, in a way, it was
sort of savvy the way he handled it and saying like, yeah,
I trust that you guys are gonna be able to
get something done, and knowing like they gave up a
(36:28):
third round pick for him, so he was going to
have the leverage if he didn't do a deal before
the deal before the.
Speaker 8 (36:34):
Trade was completed.
Speaker 9 (36:36):
So look, like, you know, I think ownerships involved in
this one. And you know, I think to some degree
that that that puts Joe Douglas and his staff in
a weird spot. You know, they let Bryce Huff go
and Brice Uff, I think is going to have a
big year in Philadelphia. He went at seventeen million dollars
(36:56):
per year the Eagles. Hassan Reik's making fourteen. And I
think the other element here is the pass rusher market
is a little bit out of whack, right, Like, so
Nick Bosa makes thirty four million a year, Neil Hunter
makes twenty nine million a year, Ason Reddicks making fourteen. Now,
I'm not saying that Reddick is good a player or
(37:16):
as complete a player as both are. Hunter, but if
you're a son Reddick, I mean, you certainly think it
better than half half of what those guys are, and
you're making half of what those guys are.
Speaker 7 (37:27):
So.
Speaker 9 (37:29):
You know, it'll be interesting to see as we get
closer through to the season and this becomes Okay, we've
given up a third round pick for him, We're trying
to win a super Bowl, right now, Let's see what
we can get done. I think, like sort of that's
where it turns into a battle of wills. But I
guess would be like things would probably heat up after
the final preseason game and if he get both through
(37:51):
the cutdown.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Albert we got the news obviously the Matthew Judon trade
to Atlanta, but you know he was unhappy not getting
you know, his tractor restructure there. I mean, do you
think that we're gonna we're gonna hear something different, you know,
in the next week or so about his contract being
restructed in Atlanta.
Speaker 9 (38:08):
Now, yeah, I think that's possible, Brady, and I think
his situation similar Where they did they redid is his
field last year, right, And what they effectively did was
they moved money.
Speaker 8 (38:20):
From twenty twenty four to twenty twenty.
Speaker 9 (38:22):
Three, knowing that when they got to twenty twenty four
that was going to be a problem, you know. And
teams will do this sometimes where you move money forward
and you make the back end number smaller, knowing like
that player is probably not going to play for that
back end number. Now Atlanta convinced him to come in
and play on that number. Maybe my guess would be
they give him some sort of sweetener, maybe through incentives.
(38:46):
But this is also a result of.
Speaker 8 (38:49):
You know, the pass rusher market, you know, and.
Speaker 9 (38:52):
And the gaps and what guys are making on the
pass rusher market. Like you know, Matthew Judeall isn't going
to give the fault and it shouldn't give the Falcon's
credit for the money the Patriots paid him over the
last few years. So he certainly could look at this
and say, you're paying me a small percentage of what
Nick Bosa makes of what the meal hunter makes. I'm
(39:12):
making less than half of what Hassan Reddick is making,
and he's holding out, So you got to do something
to sweeten the deal for me a little bit. And
he's another one. He turns thirty two today. He's another
one where you know, the sands in the hour glass
are are are are not where they were, you know,
three or four years ago, So.
Speaker 8 (39:31):
You know it's it's certainly something. You see the.
Speaker 9 (39:34):
Sort of desperation that the Falcons have in their pass
rush and moving a third round pick for a thirty
two year old pass rushur in a contract you're coming
off an injury. And I think part of this is,
you know, the price they paid for taking Pennic States
overall instead of somebody like Dallas Turner or Byron Murphy,
you know, or Layatu Latu, like they could have taken
(39:55):
one of those guys dates overall. Instead they hear quarterbacks
and now they've got to flip the three to go
get a pass rusher. So you see how badly they
badly they needed it, needed that, and it's reflected in
the return here. So certainly, if Judon wants to push
the issue. He does have leverage to do that.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
What what or how do you think or or are
you hearing in terms of what the Browns are doing,
how they're handling.
Speaker 7 (40:25):
The situation with Mike Hall Junior.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
Is this a bad decision on Cleveland's part to have
had Mike Mike Hall Junior still there and not yeah, okay,
go ahead, you got it.
Speaker 8 (40:38):
Got yeah?
Speaker 7 (40:39):
No.
Speaker 9 (40:39):
I mean, like, look like I Cleveland has taken a
lot of risks over the last few years, right Like,
they've rolled the dice on a lot of guys, you know,
and I obviously there's a big one. We all know
what the big one was, right, But they've they've taken
they've taken calculated risks like this, And I think part
of it's been because they didn't have first round picks for.
Speaker 8 (40:59):
A few years.
Speaker 9 (40:59):
So how do you make up for that? Like, you
make up for it by trying and going and getting
first round talents outside of the first round. And to
do that, a lot of times you have to take brisks,
whether they're off field, injury, whatever it is. Right Like,
so this was them, you know, taking a swing for
the fence with a guy who's the first round talent?
Speaker 8 (41:16):
Who?
Speaker 9 (41:17):
I mean, Brady, You've been throwing Higo State enough, you
know over the last couple of years to know the
deal with Mike Hall pretty well.
Speaker 8 (41:23):
I'm sure.
Speaker 9 (41:24):
Like I like, this was a guy where like the
Ohio State coaches didn't know what they they would get
on a day to day basis, and everyone in the
league knew like that there were.
Speaker 8 (41:32):
Some issues with him.
Speaker 9 (41:33):
Now did anybody see this coming? Probably not, But there
were definitely off field flags on him, which is why
a first round talent falls into the second round. So
to look at it and say, well, you know, that's
unfortunate for the Browns. No, the Browns knew what they
were were what they were doing when they took them.
You know, this is a guy who was off some
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team's boards, and so I mean, I yeah.
Speaker 8 (41:58):
I it's you know, it's especially.
Speaker 9 (42:00):
With something like this, I mean, this is this is
something where I think, if you're the team like I think,
he almost unless you know sign is possible, unless you
know you have some sort of piece of valuable information
that it's not going to turn out the way it
looks on the surface, then I think it's sort of
incumbent on you.
Speaker 8 (42:20):
To take the kid.
Speaker 9 (42:21):
I'm going to the spotlight, take them off the field,
take the story away from the team so you can
let the rest of the team prepare for the year.
But I mean the Browns, I mean the Browns. Aren't
you know you can't absolve the Browns here. I mean,
like I said, like the offfield risk was there and
beon just that, guys, and you guys know this too,
Like a lot of times when you're taking a kid
(42:43):
who is local, who is right near like where he
grew up and the people he grew up around it,
a lot of times I can exacerbate, exacerbate the problem,
you know, and you know certainly that that seems like
that's part.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Of the case here, toot abe Before I let you go,
we got a thirty seconds, but curious Ceedee Lamb, Jamar
Chase Brandon Ayuk, who's the first to get done?
Speaker 8 (43:11):
I would say.
Speaker 9 (43:13):
I would have said Lamb. Last week, I might say Ayuk. Now,
it just feels like the Niners are trying to force
a conclusion, whether it's a trade or as signing. So
you know, we've talked about how the Niners have sort
of tried to play forty jests here might work out
for them to get him signed long term. I think
Lamb gets done before the season starts, but maybe maybe next.
Speaker 8 (43:34):
Week, the week after.
Speaker 9 (43:35):
And then I think a Chase gets a deal done
and it happens right before the opener.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
There he is. I get him.
Speaker 8 (43:41):
Def not a win. That's not a win.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Get him on x at Albert Brier, Senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the mmqb ab, we appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (43:49):
We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 8 (43:52):
I think
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