August 23, 2022 • 39 mins
It’s Tuesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, and the guys question whether Tom Brady taking a family vacation during Training Camp is acceptable. The guys look forward to Baker Mayfield getting the start vs his former team, the Brown in week 1 and LaVar calls out other defenders think the block on Kayvon Thibodeaux was dirty.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar Areas, Brady Quinn and Jonas knocks on
Fox Radio. How about it. It's a Tuesday morning, baby,
It's Tuesday morning, and Tom Brady's back. Tom Brady is back.
No abduction. Uh, he was not hijacks. It was an abduction.
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You know, what do you mean? I mean the family
abducted him. You know, some R and R. I mean,
you know, I felt like somebody called that last week,
but like somebody said, listen, there was a there was
a pre arranged trip. There was no retirement, there was
no issues, no medical emergencies, no mass singer, none of
that crap. Uh, it was a pre arranged trip. He
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was in the Bahamas and we're ready. He's back. I mean,
I feel like I nailed that. So anytime you guys
want to go ahead and give me a shout out
here on the air, I'd appreciate it. Like whenever you
wanted a lot about that happened. I think most people
got through the out there and chocked it up as
as probably a family situation, which I mean, here's my
only question. Now, So what does that mean then? For
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the bye week, same thing, like we we know he's
gonna be leaving the team. Doing that doesn't mean for
the season, Like, Okay, we're playing this team this week.
I'm uh, that's predetermined that I'm gonna take a break
this week. We'll playing in Atlanta. But I just I'm
not going to be there for this game. I don't
I don't don't mean to sound rude when I say this,
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but you know, like he is, he's the greatest of
all time. He's venturing into, as I said yesterday, unknown territory.
We've never seen anyone plats to high level at this
point in time in his career. So the question then becomes,
you know, is what he is doing? Like okay, because
most athletes, if you're anywhere, if you're anyone other than
Todd Brady, they're going, what the hell did you just
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asked me to do? No, you're not leaving for a
ten days or whatever it was to go down to
the Bajamas to spend time with your family. Like hell though,
But you know, he's Tom Brady, and this is for
sure not happening, probably if Bruce arians is the coach,
but definitely if if it's not with Bill Belichick. So
it is a shortered territory in that regard. I just
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wonder how it's received. That's what I thought about, because
but but don't you go like it is Tom Brady,
like you kind of make exceptions but someone like but
but Q, let's be real here, there are limitations to that.
You cant jealous because because we are men right like,
and we are the ultra ultra alpha competitors of That's right.
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Jona Uage only took a year of about time speaking
my language. I'm just saying, you can only go so
you can only throw it up. Huh. You can only
go so far with oh it's tom Brady. I'm sorry,
as a grown ass man, I can only go so
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far with yeah, it's tom Brady. At some point, I'm like,
f tom Brady, Like you're not gonna be going to
the Bahamas while my asses out here getting up and
and doing all of this. And and if you signed
up for it, you signed up for it. Like at
some point you say to yourself, you know what, it's
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one thing when you say, okay, you miss a practice,
like you get vet vet day's, VET week, okay, VET
two weeks, hell vet camp okay, But if you're telling
me as a player on a team, some of them
are trying to make the team. Some of them are
are continuing on as what they represent to the team.
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If you're telling me, I'm supposed to be okay that
you agreed upon this before you came back to play
for this team, that you get to go take a
two week vacation in the Bahamas during training camp. Man,
I sit there and I would question that. And and
you know the first thing that I'm questioning as a teammate,
your commitment to this. What's your commitment level if your
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hair with us, your hair with us, take time off, fine,
no worries, but be here while you're taking that time off.
And that doesn't go beyond it. Like, it's a horrible
it's a horrible example to set. I'm sorry. Like, and
I'm a Tom Brady fan and I'm I'm that's my
litter mate. He's the last one from two thousand in
the in the league. I have a lot of I
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have a healthy affinity for him, But this isn't a
great example. There's a kid out there like I need
to take an eleven day break. No you don't. I'm
the best player on the team. So what, I'm a
senior in high school. I need to take a senior
senior leave of absence. No, you don't. I just don't
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like that. I don't like the way it made me
feel when I saw that it was a vacation, I
would question. I felt I felt disappointed. I just felt
very disappointed. That's all. What do you mean this is
good news for you? You like the Saints in that division? Man,
come on, I like Tampa Bay, but just don't be
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surprised if it is the same. I'm just I'm just
very disappointed in you, Tom Brady. I'm very disappointed. So
Rick Stroud was on with DP yesterday. Dan Patrick heard
on many of these Fox Sports radio affiliates, and he
said that he basically only missed four practices. He was
there for the installed. They knew everything that was going on.
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It was all predetermined, and so he really didn't miss
that much time as far as his time away from
the team, and and you know, and and looking at
it in the big picture, well, then the whole team
should have went a hit and did the same exact thing. Wow,
you know, pick and choose you want to go to
the Bahamas. I mean well, not with Jazell, I mean,
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but but whoever, I'm sure there's some good looking I'm
sure there's a lot of significant others aren't aren't bad
in that category. I'll say that I'm sure they're doing
all right down there. They might not beat to sell,
but I'm sure they're doing all right. I wonder how much, though,
because let's get to the to the nitty gritty. Two
days one Gazelle is getting blamed a lot. It's like,
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for this entire thing, I think that's a little bit
rough because you're talking about, you know, someone who's a
wife and mother, who's who's you know, been supporting and
helping him through his dream and doing all of this.
And yet at some point, and I think anyone who's
had a significant other, a wife that's gone through, you know, seasons,
that sort of thing, it's wearing. It's wearing. It's like
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it's like living two different lives. Like there's the the
life you live in season, there's a life that you
live out of season. And for Tom Brady, I don't
know that that life that he lives out of the
season is that much different than the life he lives
in season. I mean it is right, Like, like we've
talked about that and Jonath I've said this for years.
The reason why he's become the greatest. He's talented, don't
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get me wrong, but there's more talented quarterbacks. It's the
fact that he's dedicated his life to the game and
every single moment he's playing or not, it's a part
of his success. Like no one else is willing to
sacrifice the way he does in an offseason with his lifestyle,
like the way he eats like crappy avocado ice cream
because you I mean, you're kidding me, Like ice here
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was one of the greatest things on the earth. This
dude will not touch it because he does. I do,
I trust me. I had a little bit too with
with our girls last night. I was like, can you
imagine just eating that avocado crap though that invitation stuff
the rest of your life. God, I can't imagine doing
a lot of the things that Tom Brady has done
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to become the player that he is. And I think
that that there's something to be That's one thing. Yeah,
that's one thing, because it's a sacrifice that he makes,
But we don't talk about the other sacrifice. It's been
the sacrifice that his family makes, like your kids get
to a certain point to where they start looking at
you be like, hey, I'm not a kid anymore. Day. Well,
hey dad, you're missing You're missing the portions of my
life that are those format of years, Like those portions
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of my life were like I need you. And and
so that's one of the stories that I think is
out as his hard man like trying to be everywhere
like moms get moms that drive kids around and get
them to school and do back to school night and
do the games and activities and this done and the
other that s is overwhelming. And also let's have a
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real conversation here, because we all work, all three of
us work a lot and are pulled in a lot
of different directions as far as a career goes and
a profession goes. And you know, we've all experienced it
where you tell them, hey, I gotta go here for work,
and you get a little bit of the eye roll,
a little bit of the Okay, here we go again.
All right, here, here it goes again. It's more work,
it's more of this than that, and their understanding. But
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in the moment, there is a conversation sometimes that you
have to have and he's probably had that conversation about
three thousand times with Jesus over the past couple of years.
I mean, and like she couldn't get a guy who
would want to be up under her twenty four hours
a day, you know what I mean. So, now that
we're putting it in that context, I'm just saying, you
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know what, I take everything back. Let's let's hit rewind,
let's hit the dump button now that we put it
in context. I'm proud of you, Tom Brady. I am
proud of you. You know why, because there's nothing like
making sure you handle your business at home that is
first and foremost. So if that meant I get to play,
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but I have to be able to go to the
Bahamas with my chick so that we could have this
good time before we get going into the season. You
know what, I take it back, Tom, I'm not disappointed
in you. In fact, I'm even more proud of you. Yes,
I can change my mind that quickly. I've changed my mind.
I'm I'm I'm still team Tom. And you know what, yeah,
all right, because you know what, Bert too is out
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there waiting for Tom Brady to slip up and be
two into his his profession, and he'd be like, hell,
I know, I'm not Tom. I know I don't have
all the Super Bowl rings. I don't have all the money,
but you got all the money, So it's not like
it's about money anyway. I'm Burt too. You know, I
handle the boards, you know what I mean. I do
what I need to do. I I heard radio. I
can cook really well. We can. We could get some pops,
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you know, yeah, you know we can. We can sunbathe
I can, I can put suntan oil on you and
stuff like that. Okay, I can even babysit the kids.
I don't have to be anything, but hey, Mr burto
to these there's going to be someone out there that
has the right rap at the right time in a
moment of vulnerability, and nobody wants that. So you know what,
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for you, Tom Brady, I tip my cap to you. Yep,
I changed that quickly. I'll just put it. I'll simply
put it this way. If the greatest football player of
all time is his, if his retirement is motivated by
his wife, his family, I'm I'm okay with that, like
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like I think everyone would be, because there's not many
guys who get to that point in their career they've
they've done it that long or they've done it that
successfully where the family gets fed up. Like usually like
the league gets fed up with you, they're like, no,
you can't do it anymore. You're out. But if it's
the family, that's family, like uncle, we can't take this anymore.
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We we want you to just be dad, like I
want you just to be my husband. I just we
need this time with you because all that time you
did what you want to do. That's great, that's your life,
but now it's like impacting our lives as we grow
through this and you know that's awesome, but now now
we we need our time back. Like I think that's
something that if that's what this is about, and he's
trying to hold it all together and they you know,
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pre playing this to make it work and all that,
Like I think I think every player in that locker
room would be understanding of it. I think every person
that organizations understanding of it. But um, I mean, look,
just sells a defeated man like Tom Brady is one
of the most Super Bowls and he's been the most successful,
but like even even he I don't know that he
can stand up tote to toe, Jill. This is just
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confirmation this is his final year. Correct. I mean the
fact that he had to take ten days off just
to get the green light on coming back for this year.
I ought to tell you we're gonna go ahead and
wrap this up after this year. It's over and they'll
be broadcasting for Fox next year. You know, at at
the at the low rate of three hundred and seventy
five million dollars, Well that's over ten years. It's thirty
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seven point five year. That's not that bad. If they
set it up where he's a subcontractor, Fox will write
off you know, half that good point. They'll figure out.
Not that they got a counts and people who do
that sort of thing, they'll figure it out. Someone's like
shaking their head in their cubicle right now, going you
can't do it that. You can't, you can't, you can't. Hey,
you can't write off all of that. They'll figure it out,
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all right, they'll figure it out. Don't be a bad influence, TODDA. Brady.
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and the I Heart Radio. We got an answer yesterday.
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We talked about it several times. We couldn't figure out
why they were waiting on the decision, what was going
on with the back and forth between the media and
Matt Rule. But it is official. Baker Mayfield wins the
starting job in Carolina over Sam Donald. He is the
new starting quarterback of the Carolina Panthers. They obviously kick
off in a couple of weeks against the Cleveland Browns.
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Here was Matt Rule, the head coach of Carolina, talking
about the decision. At the end of the day, we
felt like, you know, Baker's made a lot of progress
in a short amount of time, kind of in the
things I've talked to you guys about, and so um,
we felt like it was right to make that move
for this team. You know right now, you know, I said, hey,
when we know, we know, we felt like we knew,
and it's time now with the second preseason game done
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to sort of start to move forward and say, hey,
Baker's the quarterback. Sam, you get ready into um kind
of go from there? Alright, Baker, you get ready? Baker
versus Browns, let's go, come on, just what we all needed,
all right, it's most intriguing. It would have been better
if it was Baker versus d Shan even though they
don't play. Yeah, yeah, that would have been nice. But
it would have been if you look at if you
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look at the schedule for a week on that first
Sunday of the one pm Eastern time slot kickoffs. So
this is by far and away the most intriguing matchup.
So now we're going to get a little revenge, Yeah,
I think so. Could you have the New York Jets
with Joe Flack overs Baltimore? I mean, I like that
one on it's kind of interesting. That's interesting now you think,
I mean, isn't that Dallas and Tampa again, Well they're
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they're on the slatest one. Yeah, but that's I think
that's a later time. So I think we're looking at
more of like quarterbacks who have moved on game, which
is interesting. If the NFL schedule makers actually really, you know,
wanted to match up these teams that way, I'm not
sure this was the plan because obviously Baker wasn't in
Carolina when this the schedule came out, But maybe they
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thought there was a pretty good chance but happened. I
don't know, Bucks Cowboys of Sunday Night Football. So that'll
be a that'll be a fun one. Um, that's going
to be the most viewed easily, right, Yeah, it's it's
a big spots. Yeah. Um, you know a lot of
people are real fired up about that Colts Texans game.
I know, but yeah, Brown's Panthers. That's a one Eastern
time kickoff. Feed me, feed me Carolina minus one and
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a half, Give me Caroline. Isn't that a funny line though? Yeah?
Do you think they're looking at it going, well, if
anybody knows Baker, it's that defense. Uh, they've seen him
enough in practice, so maybe that could be something that
could be an advantage for that. You'd turn around and say,
if anyone knows that defense, I agree went up against
the last four years. I agree. I saw that line.
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I'm like, oh, I'd do lay money in that right now.
I mean, yes, you're gonna go up again. Like I
think Cleveland's got a really talented roster They're gonna win
football games even with Jr. Kobe Purcette or Josh Dobbs
or whoever ends up playing throughout the course of the
with the the suspension. But the truth is, I just
I think Carolina might be pretty good too. Like I
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think they actually when you look at their schedule, they
have a tough schedule, but I think they hit the
over and I think they could be a winning football team,
like they might surprise people this year. You sounded like
I get they get in the coach mode. Yeah, you
sound like a little I'll bet. I'll be honest with you, guys,
I've been getting a little antsie like ever since training
camp started, I have like I don't know if it's
just being accustomed now and I've been out long enough,
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I should be fine, But I'll wake up early and
be like, oh man, I got attack the day. I
gotta get after I'm like what am I doing? Like, well,
I have nowhere to be right now? It's four forty five,
Like where do I need to be? East Coast? Do
you ever think about you'd be a dough bass coach, dude,
I honestly I don't think. I maybe at the pro level,
I would do something like that. I've tried at like
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the high school and college. And I don't mean this
to come off the wrong way. I am not built
for today's kids. Like I remember the first like I
helped out one spring. I was working the quarterbacks and
then I realized, like, oh, we need some like help,
like you know, we need to you know, help with
some special teams here, some encouragement here. And I remember
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one of our linebackers when this team came for like
our spring game we played in the school, I told him.
I was like, hey, you are a tone center, Like
you gotta go like they're gonna run an Io play right,
like they're gonna run their little ISO player on the fullback.
You're gonna blow him up. You're gonna go blow up
the running back. And sure enough, like second player of
the game, they run the ice. So he blows up
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the fullback and then him and the running back collide
and it would look like something from what was it
Rocky two or whatever when they both go down. I
was like, well, it's so tone center. I was like
tones center, like I got the ball geared up and
then he like they knocked each other out. Now the
other player came back in the game, so he went
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through the protocol and tested. Our player was still going
through our very lengthy protocol for the concussion protocol testing.
But he tested out fine, but he wasn't going in.
He didn't want to go back in. And I kind
of just went over and sat next. Ime was like, hey,
how you doing Hey, Y said, I'm good. I'm good.
I'm feeling fine. I said, okay, I said, um, you
know the other guys in right now. I just I
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just I pointed it out. I wouldn't let him know
in case he wanted to go back and play. I
just want to let him know, like the guy who like,
like you didn't win the battle, you didn't lose, that
he didn't win, but that guy's back out there. And
so like the whole game got a little chippy, Like
there was one one dB was very talented dB and
wide receiver, but he was talking a lot of trash
and took a couple of cheap shots. So anyway, I
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just could not at that level, like I got really
too passionate, too involved, like we're after that game. I
stepped back and I was like, man, I would get
too emotionally wrapped up into this like I would take
that work home with me and I don't want to
do that. So to my girls, yeah, I can dig it,
and you definitely take it home. Definitely taken home, and
you take it into the work area too, you know
what I mean. Well, and also it's just like you know,
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you kind of live in the moment and then you forget, like,
oh yeah, this kid is probably not gonna play D
one and he's not gonna go pro, and yet I'm
telling him to tone center. It's like, okay, step back
for a second, like what are we doing here? What
are we doing? Listen? We all played high school football.
There's a lot more me than there's you, guys. I
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don't know that. Like my words were exactly what I mean,
maybe when you wanted to hear that moment, but probably
that was best. Um. Now, let me ask you this
because I was thinking about this when the decision was MAGA.
Sam Donald was very gracious about Carolina making, you know,
the call that Baker Mayfield was going to be the guy.
Even though Sam Donald, look, this is kind of an
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indictment on where he's at in his career and and
this could be his last real opportunity to be a
starting quarterback in the NFL, and things have knock on
the way that a lot of people expected him to
at for a number three overall pick Um Baker Mayfield
spoke about that dynamic and the decision being made, and
also just his relationship with Sam Donald. Sam and I
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knew this day was gonna eventually come. We weren't counting
down the days. We didn't know when it was gonna
happen or anything like that. Just this morning Um was
made aware that I was gonna be starting, and I
saw Sam shortly after. He made it very clear that
anything I needed in support are in terms of that aspect,
he was going to be there. Honestly, just an unfortunate
circumstance that we're both here in the same year fighting
for a job. But that's the kind of guy is
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He said, whatever you need and support, He's just trying
to win games. And that's the mentality we've had the
old time. So truly truly appreciate that and he's he's
a great guy. So how's that play out? Now? Is it?
Because it is this get awkward at all? Is this uncomfortable?
Or is it just sorry? I gotta turn the page
and uh, and let's just go. This is where I
don't I personally don't think it's awkward because they I mean,
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Baker just got there and they didn't play their last
preseason game. He's an I was a starter, so it
was a pretty clean sweep of the leg, you know, Like,
I mean, Sam Donald got knocked down, and I think
he knows where his place is now. And I think
it's smart for Matt Rule to to to make this
decision early because it gives your team now clarity. You're
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not walking into the season like this, like, Hey, you
traded for the guy. He's the guy. You know, he's
the guy until he's probably you know, injured. He saw
Sam last year. He's gonna kind of play a backup roll.
And honestly, I think the more like we knew that
the ruddy was on the wall for this, right. The
more interesting thing for Sam Donald's career is that if
mc corrall doesn't get hurt, who's gotta Liz Frank injury
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and hopefully he recovers from that. I've dealt with it.
It stinks, but now that really forces Donald to be
the backup or at least on the roster, you know,
p J. Walker hasn't played great in the preseason though
I'm a I'm a big p J. Walker fan, and
Matt Rule he'd be played for him back in college.
But now it opens up the fact that you now
Sam has to be there, like he has to be
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there in a backup roll anyway where if you have
maybe look to deal him, you know, try to trade
him like some of the trades we're seeing right now,
or even you know, just outright releasing even though you
owe money. Um, you can't do that. So he's gonna
be an expensive backup for this season. But the truth
of the matter is the Corral draft pick and him
not being able to be there, I think almost forced
their hands. What a wild turn of events if you
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just if you were to go back four years ago
and just say two of the top three picks are
going to be competing for the same job in Carolina
and here we are. It just I don't know, man,
Like that's why I just I feel bad. And it
goes back to the same thing that we've talked about
it for a long time. Situation determines a lot in
the NFL, and these are two prime examples of you
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get drafted to a bag of craft. This is what
ends up happening. And and you know, Sam Donald didn't
play well, and that all that is fair, but my god,
he was he was talked about like he was going
to be the next big thing, and he came from
usc and and here we are and he gets beat
out for the job of Baker Mayfield. And Albert Breer
pointed out on Twitter that exactly as you said, it
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wasn't really close like it just like Baker Mayfield came in,
took the job and ran with it. So I just
I just wonder what happens with Sam Donald. Is he
the type of guy who's such a good dude that
he's just gonna be a backup and teams are gonna
welcome into a locker room for as long as he
wants to play, which isn't a bad gig. He look,
he's got talent ability. It really comes down to what
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he wants. I mean, some guys are okay being that
role because they know it's lucrative. They're still staying around
the game. They might get their shot, so they'll keep
pursuing that. Um. Other guys don't want to do that,
you know, other guys looking and say, man, if if
I'm not playing, you know, that's not what I came
here for. Like holding a clipboard isn't a career that
I'm really want to be invested into for the next five, nine,
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ten years now, that's I mean. But like I said,
other guys have made an incredible career off it and
made a lot of money off it, and they're okay
doing that. But it's just you know, when you're an alpha,
when you're a guy who started and played, it could
be really difficult to then, you know, kind of Almo,
just have your career in the hands of someone else,
right like that, that's the reality of it. Is your
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career in the hands of someone else, and you're basically
just butting up to that guy making sure that he's
got everything he needs. It's like this has never been
this way for me. You know, maybe maybe this isn't
the lifestyle want to live right now, and you know
it's crazy about it too. So Sam Donald's gotten multiple
opportunities to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. Gardner minshew,
I can't get a real shot, and I would argue
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these balls every time. And he's been better than Sam Donald,
Like he said, he's been better in the NFL than
Sam Donald, and yet he just finds himself in these
spots to where there's no real opportunity, and if there is,
it's in a short amount of time and then the
team goes in another direction. I just I hope Gardner
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Cavon Thibodeaux Block or Low Block from Thaddeus Moss of
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the Cincinnati Bengals that took place the other night, uh
with the Giants. This thing is taken on a whole
life of its own. I mean, you've got hot takes flying,
You've got people, uh getting really really over dramatic about
what you know, potential punishments and things like that. What
do you mean by that? So the the injury we
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do have the injury update. It's an m c L issue.
Do you remember him as a player three to four
weeks Manuel, Yeah, Remember he was after me? Exactly what
do you think. I'm just saying, like he he was,
he was, he was after me. I was you know,
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you remember his game? He was good? Remember that game.
I feel like it's a little I don't. I was
just asking them, well, but here, here's the problem with
that question. It was it was the problem. Do you
remember Kirk Curb Streets? I do? Yeah, But when he
was before you and two? Like when when people throw
that question out there, you know you're gonna be like, Okay,
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but he's great at what he does. Like people don't
necessarily have to always excel on the field to be
great in broadcasting. Oh. I wasn't comparing the two. I
was just saying, do you remember him? I mean, do
you remember him? I think I played against his brother.
I remember playing again, Remember Sam remember Sam, I remember him.
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Look here, bad Sama just addressed the obvious here, like
how as a defender, how you come out and calling
that mad coward Lee for for for top blocking that
bad bro, Like that's not cowards. Here's here's what I'd
say in regards to that. You know, for whatever reason,
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people will then educate people on how to use the
words wisely on Twitter, but then like they just fumbled
or they misstep that they just didn't use the words wisely, hypocritical,
and there's a lot of hypocrites on Twitter. I would
I would say this about courage. The reason why there's
a cut block is because you know a lot of
times have a five ten twitter pound hundred pound running
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back going up against the six six twitor and seventy
five pound d n That's how you get a cut block.
And even in this instance, you know thad Is Moss's
is not your typical tight end. He was more of
kind of a move tight end, good catching the football,
not your typical or traditional big body, inline hand the
dirt tight end. So you know he's cutting off the
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backside of a play like a lot of tight ends
who fit that profile do, and he's doing it because
he's going up against the guy who's bigger than him,
like that is your counter. When you're a smaller player,
you're not gonna go toe to toe with the guy
who's got forty pounds, sixty pounds on you, whatever it is,
twenty pounds, you're not winning that battle. It's it's why
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you don't jump into a ring with a boxer that's
a different weight class, because there's nothing you could do
in a boxing ring. You can't counter right, but in
foot on the football field you can. That's why you
use a cup block. And so here's my issue with
forget the commentary and stuff from people on Twitter, because
I could care less about that. This is why this
stuff happens. In the college rule, that's a that's a penalty,
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that's a foul, you can't do that, But in the
NFL it's a legal play. We need to do a
better job of aligning the rules in college and NFL
so players who are getting their training from lower levels
can come up through the college ranks and they can
then develop these sort of habits, the right habits, correct
habits that once they get to the NFL, they're not
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going to hold on a second like this, This is
an llegal play. It's like, no, dude, this is legal.
You gotta use your hands, get out of the way,
you know, like you should have experienced this in college,
but he didn't because it's it's not legal there, so
players don't do it. So you get to the NFL level,
you get a few shots that really practicing this before
the live you know games come and and you see
what happens from that. So I think the bigger issue
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here is the fact that for whatever reason, the NFL
and college football and I get it, like, no one
wants to like, you know, have someone and infringe upon
their territory. But if everything's moving so much closer, like
start working in unison on rules and safety for the
game of football in general, and stop trying to like
carve out showing little niche. You know, you play one
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day apart from one another. Yeah, you're, you're it's a
feeder system into the NFL. I think that would help
solve this issue a bit, and it clean up some
of the confusion with people on Twitter who think it's
a dirty ploilet. No it's not. It's a legal block
happens all the time. It just doesn't happen to college level,
happens at the NFL. Leve you gotta know the rules.
I completely agree. The other one that I don't I
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don't understand is why in college do you only need
one foot and bounds when you make a catch, but
in the NFL it's too Why wouldn't they make these
things more more uniform from one level of the next.
I just gotta go back to the first point. My
worst experiences would cut blocks and chop blocks have been
with lineman, not somebody smaller than me. And I'm gonna
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tell you what, I have the jacked up shins to
this day. That that that proved that stuff, let me
tell you. And maybe it's not legal in college anymore,
but getting chop block you should. That's one of the
first things, even in high school, that you should teach
guys to defend against using their hands, to to defend
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against guys being at your legs, because that could be
the difference between you being you know, a routine play,
or you getting carded off the field heading to an
emergency room like that's that's it's that important to understand
how to use your hands and traffic and and and navigating,
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especially as a defensive end, especially as a linebacker, especially
as a three or zero technique, because that is the
way you are blocked. Like my shins are tore up.
And I learned a very valuable lesson very quickly that
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you need to learn how to handle somebody who goes
down while you're approaching them, like that's the unexpected. Like
I can handle you, Okay, we we we lock up,
we meet shoulders, who's leveraging who? Who? Who is doing what?
And how you get off of the blocker? Great, But
when somebody's running at you full speed and you're either
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reading or you're going full speed because you gotta take
on that blocker, you are taught to understand when you're
either whether you're taking on a wrong arm technique or
you're taking a forced technique, whatever it may be, you
always have to be aware of the fact that they
may go down. That's that's like, that's something that I
knew since high school. I just don't think that we
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I'm I'm not going to let Tibodeaux off the hook
for how poorly he handled that block. It was not
an egregious block, it really was. It was neither one
of them was really athletic in the moment, neither neither
one not not the way Tipodeaux handled it. It was weird.
The way Tibodeaux like almost like like, what are you
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gonna do? I don't know where you're gonna do. I
don't know I'm gonna go down and hit you on
your legs, Okay. I didn't really want you to hit
it like that, like, man, well, how you rolling my
leg up like this? Like they both looked weird and
it didn't look like a real football play in that moment,
like somebody dropped something in front of him and he
was trying to move his feet out of the way.
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I'm just telling you. If that's Dan Neil, I think
I think that's his name. He was one of the
best that doing it. Man. If that's one of them dudes,
like I said the other the other day, if that's
one of them Denver dudes. Man, look here, If that's
one of them, who who did it? And I think
was it Wisconsin? It was somebody in in in the
Big Ten. Maybe it was Iowa, maybe it was Northwestern,
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Maybe it was all of them. How about that Maybe
there was one guy on all of those teams that
had a chopper then, and I ain't talking about queues
that I'm talking about dudes that will chop your ass down.
You had better be ready and prepared to deal with
those type of dudes, because not only are they gonna
do what that dude did Moss did in that game
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where they go down and they hit your shin, but
Q told you I put you up on game. Then
they roll, they hit you and then they roll. It's
a it's a role. I hit, I roll and then
and and if I didn't get you, I'm leg whipping
like that's the league. That's that's that's that's college. Did
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think somebody's gonna let you come around the corner, come
off the edge and hit Brady Quinn? They're not. And
if I can't block you, you know what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna set you up. I'm gonna set you up.
I'm gonna set you up and then boom, I'm going
right for that knee. And I used to have those
conversations with running backs and with with with offensive lignement
so I could understand what their aiming points were so
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that I could better defend myself, so that I could
I started leap frogging dudes, you know what I mean?
Like running backs. Sometimes that's the worst one because you
can't see them. Sometimes you're going around this tackle or
your past rushing, you're you're going on on a blitz
to the inside and you get into the backfield and
then that that running back adjust to you, and he's
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adjusting to you at the last moment because he sees
you coming free and he takes your knee like you
gotta learn how to handle blocks where they're not conventional,
and I think that he learned a valuable lesson. If
there was anything to take away from that moment, it's
not for people to be outraged about what happened. It's
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he needed and for what it's worth, Moss needs to
learn how he's called a cut block. He needs to
learn how to cut block better, because that was an
ugly cut block. He just happened to go up against
a dude that doesn't know how to play a cut block.
Do you recommend he rolls afterwards like those broncos? I don't.
As a defender, I hate it. I hate it, but
necessary evil. Right, if I was a police officer, I
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don't want people shooting at me, but I gotta learn
how well. I mean, if your profession calls for you
understanding how to handle any given situation, you need to
be prepared to be able to handle any given situation.
People so god damn touch sensitive these as man like
sitting there coming out calling that cowardly, or people talking
about how egregious it was, or he needed to be
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fined or he should be suspended and all this other stuff.
Where do you come from? Because that's not football. Football
is a tough M effort sport and they're smart tough
M efforts, and there's just tough m efforts and then
there's not so tough em efforts. But regardless of what
it is, when you cross them lines, you are in
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between the lines with some real ones. That's what I
know for certain. And that can come from any different
position that that's out there on that field from top
to bottom. And if you ain't ready to go handle
your business in a full contact sport, that's why they
give you helmets. That's why they give you shoulder pads.
That's why they give you leg protectors and hip and
(36:47):
girdles and stuff like that. You know why, because they're
telling you you're entering into a full contact sport. Cat's
get their teeth knocked out in hockey, it's a full
contact sport. You don't hear hockey dudes complaining about this
puck knock my freaking teeth out, or this dude cross
check the hell out of me, or or or ramped
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me into to the wall and stuff like that. We
don't need to get to that point of football because
I keep hearing about this flag football stuff. Y'all will
not convince me that we are heading towards flag football.
We're not. It's not touch football. So learn how to
deal with a top block, how to deal with a
cut block? Yeah, damn yeah. The state of the Union. Yeah,
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just saying, man, some of us, some of us made
a living off of being able to to play that position,
you know what I mean. Don't don't diminish their downgrade,
what what we've had to endure, what we had to
adapt to. It's also a great point that, I mean,
people can act like this concern over you know, and
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I'm gonna be real for a second, because I I
think a lot of players are concerned about CT and
the after effects of football. The reality is most players
who ask them when they do it all over again,
or yeah, of course they would. And and the reality is, well,
you can make the case that the NFL college football
football in general has never been in a healthier position
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at least how it's consumed and how people absorb it,
in how people watch it. So for those of you
out there, that thing, hey, flag football, that's the future,
that's the It's no, it's not. I mean you have
c has become a big thing, and fighting kind of
has has come back in a in a way, if
you will, in part because we like the physicality, we
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like the contact. That's just that's just the truth. People
don't want to admit it, but they like seeing people
get knocked out. They like seeing big hits, they like
seeing all that stuff. They like seeing the physicality, and
if they can't do it, they like seeing someone else do.
And they're like root for them, and they'll pay to
go see it, and then they'll bet on it. So
it's the truth of the matter is like, you know,
this is this is part of the game, and it's
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one of those is that they might review it, but
they already did review it. This is one of the
biggest changes they made for player safety and players on
defense to allow them to cut within the tackle box
because it's part of the game. Like the safety portion
of it isn't for the defensive player in that regard,
it's for the offensive players smaller going up against the
bigger defensive guy. So it's that rule. This rule is
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not going to change, it just it needs to be
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Fox Radio. How about it. It's a Tuesday morning, baby,
It's Tuesday morning, and Tom Brady's back. Tom Brady is back.
No abduction. Uh, he was not hijacks. It was an abduction.
(00:26):
You know, what do you mean? I mean the family
abducted him. You know, some R and R. I mean,
you know, I felt like somebody called that last week,
but like somebody said, listen, there was a there was
a pre arranged trip. There was no retirement, there was
no issues, no medical emergencies, no mass singer, none of
that crap. Uh, it was a pre arranged trip. He
(00:47):
was in the Bahamas and we're ready. He's back. I mean,
I feel like I nailed that. So anytime you guys
want to go ahead and give me a shout out
here on the air, I'd appreciate it. Like whenever you
wanted a lot about that happened. I think most people
got through the out there and chocked it up as
as probably a family situation, which I mean, here's my
only question. Now, So what does that mean then? For
(01:08):
the bye week, same thing, like we we know he's
gonna be leaving the team. Doing that doesn't mean for
the season, Like, Okay, we're playing this team this week.
I'm uh, that's predetermined that I'm gonna take a break
this week. We'll playing in Atlanta. But I just I'm
not going to be there for this game. I don't
I don't don't mean to sound rude when I say this,
(01:29):
but you know, like he is, he's the greatest of
all time. He's venturing into, as I said yesterday, unknown territory.
We've never seen anyone plats to high level at this
point in time in his career. So the question then becomes,
you know, is what he is doing? Like okay, because
most athletes, if you're anywhere, if you're anyone other than
Todd Brady, they're going, what the hell did you just
(01:51):
asked me to do? No, you're not leaving for a
ten days or whatever it was to go down to
the Bajamas to spend time with your family. Like hell though,
But you know, he's Tom Brady, and this is for
sure not happening, probably if Bruce arians is the coach,
but definitely if if it's not with Bill Belichick. So
it is a shortered territory in that regard. I just
(02:14):
wonder how it's received. That's what I thought about, because
but but don't you go like it is Tom Brady,
like you kind of make exceptions but someone like but
but Q, let's be real here, there are limitations to that.
You cant jealous because because we are men right like,
and we are the ultra ultra alpha competitors of That's right.
(02:38):
Jona Uage only took a year of about time speaking
my language. I'm just saying, you can only go so
you can only throw it up. Huh. You can only
go so far with oh it's tom Brady. I'm sorry,
as a grown ass man, I can only go so
(02:59):
far with yeah, it's tom Brady. At some point, I'm like,
f tom Brady, Like you're not gonna be going to
the Bahamas while my asses out here getting up and
and doing all of this. And and if you signed
up for it, you signed up for it. Like at
some point you say to yourself, you know what, it's
(03:19):
one thing when you say, okay, you miss a practice,
like you get vet vet day's, VET week, okay, VET
two weeks, hell vet camp okay, But if you're telling
me as a player on a team, some of them
are trying to make the team. Some of them are
are continuing on as what they represent to the team.
(03:40):
If you're telling me, I'm supposed to be okay that
you agreed upon this before you came back to play
for this team, that you get to go take a
two week vacation in the Bahamas during training camp. Man,
I sit there and I would question that. And and
you know the first thing that I'm questioning as a teammate,
your commitment to this. What's your commitment level if your
(04:03):
hair with us, your hair with us, take time off, fine,
no worries, but be here while you're taking that time off.
And that doesn't go beyond it. Like, it's a horrible
it's a horrible example to set. I'm sorry. Like, and
I'm a Tom Brady fan and I'm I'm that's my
litter mate. He's the last one from two thousand in
the in the league. I have a lot of I
(04:26):
have a healthy affinity for him, But this isn't a
great example. There's a kid out there like I need
to take an eleven day break. No you don't. I'm
the best player on the team. So what, I'm a
senior in high school. I need to take a senior
senior leave of absence. No, you don't. I just don't
(04:48):
like that. I don't like the way it made me
feel when I saw that it was a vacation, I
would question. I felt I felt disappointed. I just felt
very disappointed. That's all. What do you mean this is
good news for you? You like the Saints in that division? Man,
come on, I like Tampa Bay, but just don't be
(05:10):
surprised if it is the same. I'm just I'm just
very disappointed in you, Tom Brady. I'm very disappointed. So
Rick Stroud was on with DP yesterday. Dan Patrick heard
on many of these Fox Sports radio affiliates, and he
said that he basically only missed four practices. He was
there for the installed. They knew everything that was going on.
(05:31):
It was all predetermined, and so he really didn't miss
that much time as far as his time away from
the team, and and you know, and and looking at
it in the big picture, well, then the whole team
should have went a hit and did the same exact thing. Wow,
you know, pick and choose you want to go to
the Bahamas. I mean well, not with Jazell, I mean,
(05:54):
but but whoever, I'm sure there's some good looking I'm
sure there's a lot of significant others aren't aren't bad
in that category. I'll say that I'm sure they're doing
all right down there. They might not beat to sell,
but I'm sure they're doing all right. I wonder how much, though,
because let's get to the to the nitty gritty. Two
days one Gazelle is getting blamed a lot. It's like,
(06:17):
for this entire thing, I think that's a little bit
rough because you're talking about, you know, someone who's a
wife and mother, who's who's you know, been supporting and
helping him through his dream and doing all of this.
And yet at some point, and I think anyone who's
had a significant other, a wife that's gone through, you know, seasons,
that sort of thing, it's wearing. It's wearing. It's like
(06:40):
it's like living two different lives. Like there's the the
life you live in season, there's a life that you
live out of season. And for Tom Brady, I don't
know that that life that he lives out of the
season is that much different than the life he lives
in season. I mean it is right, Like, like we've
talked about that and Jonath I've said this for years.
The reason why he's become the greatest. He's talented, don't
(07:04):
get me wrong, but there's more talented quarterbacks. It's the
fact that he's dedicated his life to the game and
every single moment he's playing or not, it's a part
of his success. Like no one else is willing to
sacrifice the way he does in an offseason with his lifestyle,
like the way he eats like crappy avocado ice cream
because you I mean, you're kidding me, Like ice here
(07:26):
was one of the greatest things on the earth. This
dude will not touch it because he does. I do,
I trust me. I had a little bit too with
with our girls last night. I was like, can you
imagine just eating that avocado crap though that invitation stuff
the rest of your life. God, I can't imagine doing
a lot of the things that Tom Brady has done
(07:47):
to become the player that he is. And I think
that that there's something to be That's one thing. Yeah,
that's one thing, because it's a sacrifice that he makes,
But we don't talk about the other sacrifice. It's been
the sacrifice that his family makes, like your kids get
to a certain point to where they start looking at
you be like, hey, I'm not a kid anymore. Day. Well,
hey dad, you're missing You're missing the portions of my
life that are those format of years, Like those portions
(08:11):
of my life were like I need you. And and
so that's one of the stories that I think is
out as his hard man like trying to be everywhere
like moms get moms that drive kids around and get
them to school and do back to school night and
do the games and activities and this done and the
other that s is overwhelming. And also let's have a
(08:35):
real conversation here, because we all work, all three of
us work a lot and are pulled in a lot
of different directions as far as a career goes and
a profession goes. And you know, we've all experienced it
where you tell them, hey, I gotta go here for work,
and you get a little bit of the eye roll,
a little bit of the Okay, here we go again.
All right, here, here it goes again. It's more work,
it's more of this than that, and their understanding. But
(08:57):
in the moment, there is a conversation sometimes that you
have to have and he's probably had that conversation about
three thousand times with Jesus over the past couple of years.
I mean, and like she couldn't get a guy who
would want to be up under her twenty four hours
a day, you know what I mean. So, now that
we're putting it in that context, I'm just saying, you
(09:22):
know what, I take everything back. Let's let's hit rewind,
let's hit the dump button now that we put it
in context. I'm proud of you, Tom Brady. I am
proud of you. You know why, because there's nothing like
making sure you handle your business at home that is
first and foremost. So if that meant I get to play,
(09:44):
but I have to be able to go to the
Bahamas with my chick so that we could have this
good time before we get going into the season. You
know what, I take it back, Tom, I'm not disappointed
in you. In fact, I'm even more proud of you. Yes,
I can change my mind that quickly. I've changed my mind.
I'm I'm I'm still team Tom. And you know what, yeah,
all right, because you know what, Bert too is out
(10:07):
there waiting for Tom Brady to slip up and be
two into his his profession, and he'd be like, hell,
I know, I'm not Tom. I know I don't have
all the Super Bowl rings. I don't have all the money,
but you got all the money, So it's not like
it's about money anyway. I'm Burt too. You know, I
handle the boards, you know what I mean. I do
what I need to do. I I heard radio. I
can cook really well. We can. We could get some pops,
(10:29):
you know, yeah, you know we can. We can sunbathe
I can, I can put suntan oil on you and
stuff like that. Okay, I can even babysit the kids.
I don't have to be anything, but hey, Mr burto
to these there's going to be someone out there that
has the right rap at the right time in a
moment of vulnerability, and nobody wants that. So you know what,
(10:52):
for you, Tom Brady, I tip my cap to you. Yep,
I changed that quickly. I'll just put it. I'll simply
put it this way. If the greatest football player of
all time is his, if his retirement is motivated by
his wife, his family, I'm I'm okay with that, like
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like I think everyone would be, because there's not many
guys who get to that point in their career they've
they've done it that long or they've done it that
successfully where the family gets fed up. Like usually like
the league gets fed up with you, they're like, no,
you can't do it anymore. You're out. But if it's
the family, that's family, like uncle, we can't take this anymore.
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We we want you to just be dad, like I
want you just to be my husband. I just we
need this time with you because all that time you
did what you want to do. That's great, that's your life,
but now it's like impacting our lives as we grow
through this and you know that's awesome, but now now
we we need our time back. Like I think that's
something that if that's what this is about, and he's
trying to hold it all together and they you know,
(11:56):
pre playing this to make it work and all that,
Like I think I think every player in that locker
room would be understanding of it. I think every person
that organizations understanding of it. But um, I mean, look,
just sells a defeated man like Tom Brady is one
of the most Super Bowls and he's been the most successful,
but like even even he I don't know that he
can stand up tote to toe, Jill. This is just
(12:18):
confirmation this is his final year. Correct. I mean the
fact that he had to take ten days off just
to get the green light on coming back for this year.
I ought to tell you we're gonna go ahead and
wrap this up after this year. It's over and they'll
be broadcasting for Fox next year. You know, at at
the at the low rate of three hundred and seventy
five million dollars, Well that's over ten years. It's thirty
(12:38):
seven point five year. That's not that bad. If they
set it up where he's a subcontractor, Fox will write
off you know, half that good point. They'll figure out.
Not that they got a counts and people who do
that sort of thing, they'll figure it out. Someone's like
shaking their head in their cubicle right now, going you
can't do it that. You can't, you can't, you can't. Hey,
you can't write off all of that. They'll figure it out,
(12:59):
all right, they'll figure it out. Don't be a bad influence, TODDA. Brady.
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We talked about it several times. We couldn't figure out
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off in a couple of weeks against the Cleveland Browns.
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Here was Matt Rule, the head coach of Carolina, talking
about the decision. At the end of the day, we
felt like, you know, Baker's made a lot of progress
in a short amount of time, kind of in the
things I've talked to you guys about, and so um,
we felt like it was right to make that move
for this team. You know right now, you know, I said, hey,
when we know, we know, we felt like we knew,
and it's time now with the second preseason game done
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to sort of start to move forward and say, hey,
Baker's the quarterback. Sam, you get ready into um kind
of go from there? Alright, Baker, you get ready? Baker
versus Browns, let's go, come on, just what we all needed,
all right, it's most intriguing. It would have been better
if it was Baker versus d Shan even though they
don't play. Yeah, yeah, that would have been nice. But
it would have been if you look at if you
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look at the schedule for a week on that first
Sunday of the one pm Eastern time slot kickoffs. So
this is by far and away the most intriguing matchup.
So now we're going to get a little revenge, Yeah,
I think so. Could you have the New York Jets
with Joe Flack overs Baltimore? I mean, I like that
one on it's kind of interesting. That's interesting now you think,
I mean, isn't that Dallas and Tampa again, Well they're
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they're on the slatest one. Yeah, but that's I think
that's a later time. So I think we're looking at
more of like quarterbacks who have moved on game, which
is interesting. If the NFL schedule makers actually really, you know,
wanted to match up these teams that way, I'm not
sure this was the plan because obviously Baker wasn't in
Carolina when this the schedule came out, But maybe they
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thought there was a pretty good chance but happened. I
don't know, Bucks Cowboys of Sunday Night Football. So that'll
be a that'll be a fun one. Um, that's going
to be the most viewed easily, right, Yeah, it's it's
a big spots. Yeah. Um, you know a lot of
people are real fired up about that Colts Texans game.
I know, but yeah, Brown's Panthers. That's a one Eastern
time kickoff. Feed me, feed me Carolina minus one and
(15:33):
a half, Give me Caroline. Isn't that a funny line though? Yeah?
Do you think they're looking at it going, well, if
anybody knows Baker, it's that defense. Uh, they've seen him
enough in practice, so maybe that could be something that
could be an advantage for that. You'd turn around and say,
if anyone knows that defense, I agree went up against
the last four years. I agree. I saw that line.
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I'm like, oh, I'd do lay money in that right now.
I mean, yes, you're gonna go up again. Like I
think Cleveland's got a really talented roster They're gonna win
football games even with Jr. Kobe Purcette or Josh Dobbs
or whoever ends up playing throughout the course of the
with the the suspension. But the truth is, I just
I think Carolina might be pretty good too. Like I
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think they actually when you look at their schedule, they
have a tough schedule, but I think they hit the
over and I think they could be a winning football team,
like they might surprise people this year. You sounded like
I get they get in the coach mode. Yeah, you
sound like a little I'll bet. I'll be honest with you, guys,
I've been getting a little antsie like ever since training
camp started, I have like I don't know if it's
just being accustomed now and I've been out long enough,
(16:38):
I should be fine, But I'll wake up early and
be like, oh man, I got attack the day. I
gotta get after I'm like what am I doing? Like, well,
I have nowhere to be right now? It's four forty five,
Like where do I need to be? East Coast? Do
you ever think about you'd be a dough bass coach, dude,
I honestly I don't think. I maybe at the pro level,
I would do something like that. I've tried at like
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the high school and college. And I don't mean this
to come off the wrong way. I am not built
for today's kids. Like I remember the first like I
helped out one spring. I was working the quarterbacks and
then I realized, like, oh, we need some like help,
like you know, we need to you know, help with
some special teams here, some encouragement here. And I remember
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one of our linebackers when this team came for like
our spring game we played in the school, I told him.
I was like, hey, you are a tone center, Like
you gotta go like they're gonna run an Io play right,
like they're gonna run their little ISO player on the fullback.
You're gonna blow him up. You're gonna go blow up
the running back. And sure enough, like second player of
the game, they run the ice. So he blows up
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the fullback and then him and the running back collide
and it would look like something from what was it
Rocky two or whatever when they both go down. I
was like, well, it's so tone center. I was like
tones center, like I got the ball geared up and
then he like they knocked each other out. Now the
other player came back in the game, so he went
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through the protocol and tested. Our player was still going
through our very lengthy protocol for the concussion protocol testing.
But he tested out fine, but he wasn't going in.
He didn't want to go back in. And I kind
of just went over and sat next. Ime was like, hey,
how you doing Hey, Y said, I'm good. I'm good.
I'm feeling fine. I said, okay, I said, um, you
know the other guys in right now. I just I
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just I pointed it out. I wouldn't let him know
in case he wanted to go back and play. I
just want to let him know, like the guy who like,
like you didn't win the battle, you didn't lose, that
he didn't win, but that guy's back out there. And
so like the whole game got a little chippy, Like
there was one one dB was very talented dB and
wide receiver, but he was talking a lot of trash
and took a couple of cheap shots. So anyway, I
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just could not at that level, like I got really
too passionate, too involved, like we're after that game. I
stepped back and I was like, man, I would get
too emotionally wrapped up into this like I would take
that work home with me and I don't want to
do that. So to my girls, yeah, I can dig it,
and you definitely take it home. Definitely taken home, and
you take it into the work area too, you know
what I mean. Well, and also it's just like you know,
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you kind of live in the moment and then you forget, like,
oh yeah, this kid is probably not gonna play D
one and he's not gonna go pro, and yet I'm
telling him to tone center. It's like, okay, step back
for a second, like what are we doing here? What
are we doing? Listen? We all played high school football.
There's a lot more me than there's you, guys. I
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don't know that. Like my words were exactly what I mean,
maybe when you wanted to hear that moment, but probably
that was best. Um. Now, let me ask you this
because I was thinking about this when the decision was MAGA.
Sam Donald was very gracious about Carolina making, you know,
the call that Baker Mayfield was going to be the guy.
Even though Sam Donald, look, this is kind of an
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indictment on where he's at in his career and and
this could be his last real opportunity to be a
starting quarterback in the NFL, and things have knock on
the way that a lot of people expected him to
at for a number three overall pick Um Baker Mayfield
spoke about that dynamic and the decision being made, and
also just his relationship with Sam Donald. Sam and I
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knew this day was gonna eventually come. We weren't counting
down the days. We didn't know when it was gonna
happen or anything like that. Just this morning Um was
made aware that I was gonna be starting, and I
saw Sam shortly after. He made it very clear that
anything I needed in support are in terms of that aspect,
he was going to be there. Honestly, just an unfortunate
circumstance that we're both here in the same year fighting
for a job. But that's the kind of guy is
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He said, whatever you need and support, He's just trying
to win games. And that's the mentality we've had the
old time. So truly truly appreciate that and he's he's
a great guy. So how's that play out? Now? Is it?
Because it is this get awkward at all? Is this uncomfortable?
Or is it just sorry? I gotta turn the page
and uh, and let's just go. This is where I
don't I personally don't think it's awkward because they I mean,
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Baker just got there and they didn't play their last
preseason game. He's an I was a starter, so it
was a pretty clean sweep of the leg, you know, Like,
I mean, Sam Donald got knocked down, and I think
he knows where his place is now. And I think
it's smart for Matt Rule to to to make this
decision early because it gives your team now clarity. You're
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not walking into the season like this, like, Hey, you
traded for the guy. He's the guy. You know, he's
the guy until he's probably you know, injured. He saw
Sam last year. He's gonna kind of play a backup roll.
And honestly, I think the more like we knew that
the ruddy was on the wall for this, right. The
more interesting thing for Sam Donald's career is that if
mc corrall doesn't get hurt, who's gotta Liz Frank injury
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and hopefully he recovers from that. I've dealt with it.
It stinks, but now that really forces Donald to be
the backup or at least on the roster, you know,
p J. Walker hasn't played great in the preseason though
I'm a I'm a big p J. Walker fan, and
Matt Rule he'd be played for him back in college.
But now it opens up the fact that you now
Sam has to be there, like he has to be
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there in a backup roll anyway where if you have
maybe look to deal him, you know, try to trade
him like some of the trades we're seeing right now,
or even you know, just outright releasing even though you
owe money. Um, you can't do that. So he's gonna
be an expensive backup for this season. But the truth
of the matter is the Corral draft pick and him
not being able to be there, I think almost forced
their hands. What a wild turn of events if you
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just if you were to go back four years ago
and just say two of the top three picks are
going to be competing for the same job in Carolina
and here we are. It just I don't know, man,
Like that's why I just I feel bad. And it
goes back to the same thing that we've talked about
it for a long time. Situation determines a lot in
the NFL, and these are two prime examples of you
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get drafted to a bag of craft. This is what
ends up happening. And and you know, Sam Donald didn't
play well, and that all that is fair, but my god,
he was he was talked about like he was going
to be the next big thing, and he came from
usc and and here we are and he gets beat
out for the job of Baker Mayfield. And Albert Breer
pointed out on Twitter that exactly as you said, it
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wasn't really close like it just like Baker Mayfield came in,
took the job and ran with it. So I just
I just wonder what happens with Sam Donald. Is he
the type of guy who's such a good dude that
he's just gonna be a backup and teams are gonna
welcome into a locker room for as long as he
wants to play, which isn't a bad gig. He look,
he's got talent ability. It really comes down to what
(23:23):
he wants. I mean, some guys are okay being that
role because they know it's lucrative. They're still staying around
the game. They might get their shot, so they'll keep
pursuing that. Um. Other guys don't want to do that,
you know, other guys looking and say, man, if if
I'm not playing, you know, that's not what I came
here for. Like holding a clipboard isn't a career that
I'm really want to be invested into for the next five, nine,
(23:45):
ten years now, that's I mean. But like I said,
other guys have made an incredible career off it and
made a lot of money off it, and they're okay
doing that. But it's just you know, when you're an alpha,
when you're a guy who started and played, it could
be really difficult to then, you know, kind of Almo,
just have your career in the hands of someone else,
right like that, that's the reality of it. Is your
(24:06):
career in the hands of someone else, and you're basically
just butting up to that guy making sure that he's
got everything he needs. It's like this has never been
this way for me. You know, maybe maybe this isn't
the lifestyle want to live right now, and you know
it's crazy about it too. So Sam Donald's gotten multiple
opportunities to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. Gardner minshew,
I can't get a real shot, and I would argue
(24:28):
these balls every time. And he's been better than Sam Donald,
Like he said, he's been better in the NFL than
Sam Donald, and yet he just finds himself in these
spots to where there's no real opportunity, and if there is,
it's in a short amount of time and then the
team goes in another direction. I just I hope Gardner
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Cavon Thibodeaux Block or Low Block from Thaddeus Moss of
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the Cincinnati Bengals that took place the other night, uh
with the Giants. This thing is taken on a whole
life of its own. I mean, you've got hot takes flying,
You've got people, uh getting really really over dramatic about
what you know, potential punishments and things like that. What
do you mean by that? So the the injury we
(25:58):
do have the injury update. It's an m c L issue.
Do you remember him as a player three to four
weeks Manuel, Yeah, Remember he was after me? Exactly what
do you think. I'm just saying, like he he was,
he was, he was after me. I was you know,
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you remember his game? He was good? Remember that game.
I feel like it's a little I don't. I was
just asking them, well, but here, here's the problem with
that question. It was it was the problem. Do you
remember Kirk Curb Streets? I do? Yeah, But when he
was before you and two? Like when when people throw
that question out there, you know you're gonna be like, Okay,
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but he's great at what he does. Like people don't
necessarily have to always excel on the field to be
great in broadcasting. Oh. I wasn't comparing the two. I
was just saying, do you remember him? I mean, do
you remember him? I think I played against his brother.
I remember playing again, Remember Sam remember Sam, I remember him.
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Look here, bad Sama just addressed the obvious here, like
how as a defender, how you come out and calling
that mad coward Lee for for for top blocking that
bad bro, Like that's not cowards. Here's here's what I'd
say in regards to that. You know, for whatever reason,
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people will then educate people on how to use the
words wisely on Twitter, but then like they just fumbled
or they misstep that they just didn't use the words wisely, hypocritical,
and there's a lot of hypocrites on Twitter. I would
I would say this about courage. The reason why there's
a cut block is because you know a lot of
times have a five ten twitter pound hundred pound running
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back going up against the six six twitor and seventy
five pound d n That's how you get a cut block.
And even in this instance, you know thad Is Moss's
is not your typical tight end. He was more of
kind of a move tight end, good catching the football,
not your typical or traditional big body, inline hand the
dirt tight end. So you know he's cutting off the
(28:07):
backside of a play like a lot of tight ends
who fit that profile do, and he's doing it because
he's going up against the guy who's bigger than him,
like that is your counter. When you're a smaller player,
you're not gonna go toe to toe with the guy
who's got forty pounds, sixty pounds on you, whatever it is,
twenty pounds, you're not winning that battle. It's it's why
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you don't jump into a ring with a boxer that's
a different weight class, because there's nothing you could do
in a boxing ring. You can't counter right, but in
foot on the football field you can. That's why you
use a cup block. And so here's my issue with
forget the commentary and stuff from people on Twitter, because
I could care less about that. This is why this
stuff happens. In the college rule, that's a that's a penalty,
(28:49):
that's a foul, you can't do that, But in the
NFL it's a legal play. We need to do a
better job of aligning the rules in college and NFL
so players who are getting their training from lower levels
can come up through the college ranks and they can
then develop these sort of habits, the right habits, correct
habits that once they get to the NFL, they're not
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going to hold on a second like this, This is
an llegal play. It's like, no, dude, this is legal.
You gotta use your hands, get out of the way,
you know, like you should have experienced this in college,
but he didn't because it's it's not legal there, so
players don't do it. So you get to the NFL level,
you get a few shots that really practicing this before
the live you know games come and and you see
what happens from that. So I think the bigger issue
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here is the fact that for whatever reason, the NFL
and college football and I get it, like, no one
wants to like, you know, have someone and infringe upon
their territory. But if everything's moving so much closer, like
start working in unison on rules and safety for the
game of football in general, and stop trying to like
carve out showing little niche. You know, you play one
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day apart from one another. Yeah, you're, you're it's a
feeder system into the NFL. I think that would help
solve this issue a bit, and it clean up some
of the confusion with people on Twitter who think it's
a dirty ploilet. No it's not. It's a legal block
happens all the time. It just doesn't happen to college level,
happens at the NFL. Leve you gotta know the rules.
I completely agree. The other one that I don't I
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don't understand is why in college do you only need
one foot and bounds when you make a catch, but
in the NFL it's too Why wouldn't they make these
things more more uniform from one level of the next.
I just gotta go back to the first point. My
worst experiences would cut blocks and chop blocks have been
with lineman, not somebody smaller than me. And I'm gonna
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tell you what, I have the jacked up shins to
this day. That that that proved that stuff, let me
tell you. And maybe it's not legal in college anymore,
but getting chop block you should. That's one of the
first things, even in high school, that you should teach
guys to defend against using their hands, to to defend
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against guys being at your legs, because that could be
the difference between you being you know, a routine play,
or you getting carded off the field heading to an
emergency room like that's that's it's that important to understand
how to use your hands and traffic and and and navigating,
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especially as a defensive end, especially as a linebacker, especially
as a three or zero technique, because that is the
way you are blocked. Like my shins are tore up.
And I learned a very valuable lesson very quickly that
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you need to learn how to handle somebody who goes
down while you're approaching them, like that's the unexpected. Like
I can handle you, Okay, we we we lock up,
we meet shoulders, who's leveraging who? Who? Who is doing what?
And how you get off of the blocker? Great, But
when somebody's running at you full speed and you're either
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reading or you're going full speed because you gotta take
on that blocker, you are taught to understand when you're
either whether you're taking on a wrong arm technique or
you're taking a forced technique, whatever it may be, you
always have to be aware of the fact that they
may go down. That's that's like, that's something that I
knew since high school. I just don't think that we
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I'm I'm not going to let Tibodeaux off the hook
for how poorly he handled that block. It was not
an egregious block, it really was. It was neither one
of them was really athletic in the moment, neither neither
one not not the way Tipodeaux handled it. It was weird.
The way Tibodeaux like almost like like, what are you
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gonna do? I don't know where you're gonna do. I
don't know I'm gonna go down and hit you on
your legs, Okay. I didn't really want you to hit
it like that, like, man, well, how you rolling my
leg up like this? Like they both looked weird and
it didn't look like a real football play in that moment,
like somebody dropped something in front of him and he
was trying to move his feet out of the way.
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I'm just telling you. If that's Dan Neil, I think
I think that's his name. He was one of the
best that doing it. Man. If that's one of them dudes,
like I said the other the other day, if that's
one of them Denver dudes. Man, look here, If that's
one of them, who who did it? And I think
was it Wisconsin? It was somebody in in in the
Big Ten. Maybe it was Iowa, maybe it was Northwestern,
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Maybe it was all of them. How about that Maybe
there was one guy on all of those teams that
had a chopper then, and I ain't talking about queues
that I'm talking about dudes that will chop your ass down.
You had better be ready and prepared to deal with
those type of dudes, because not only are they gonna
do what that dude did Moss did in that game
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where they go down and they hit your shin, but
Q told you I put you up on game. Then
they roll, they hit you and then they roll. It's
a it's a role. I hit, I roll and then
and and if I didn't get you, I'm leg whipping
like that's the league. That's that's that's that's college. Did
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think somebody's gonna let you come around the corner, come
off the edge and hit Brady Quinn? They're not. And
if I can't block you, you know what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna set you up. I'm gonna set you up.
I'm gonna set you up and then boom, I'm going
right for that knee. And I used to have those
conversations with running backs and with with with offensive lignement
so I could understand what their aiming points were so
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that I could better defend myself, so that I could
I started leap frogging dudes, you know what I mean?
Like running backs. Sometimes that's the worst one because you
can't see them. Sometimes you're going around this tackle or
your past rushing, you're you're going on on a blitz
to the inside and you get into the backfield and
then that that running back adjust to you, and he's
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adjusting to you at the last moment because he sees
you coming free and he takes your knee like you
gotta learn how to handle blocks where they're not conventional,
and I think that he learned a valuable lesson. If
there was anything to take away from that moment, it's
not for people to be outraged about what happened. It's
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he needed and for what it's worth, Moss needs to
learn how he's called a cut block. He needs to
learn how to cut block better, because that was an
ugly cut block. He just happened to go up against
a dude that doesn't know how to play a cut block.
Do you recommend he rolls afterwards like those broncos? I don't.
As a defender, I hate it. I hate it, but
necessary evil. Right, if I was a police officer, I
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don't want people shooting at me, but I gotta learn
how well. I mean, if your profession calls for you
understanding how to handle any given situation, you need to
be prepared to be able to handle any given situation.
People so god damn touch sensitive these as man like
sitting there coming out calling that cowardly, or people talking
about how egregious it was, or he needed to be
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fined or he should be suspended and all this other stuff.
Where do you come from? Because that's not football. Football
is a tough M effort sport and they're smart tough
M efforts, and there's just tough m efforts and then
there's not so tough em efforts. But regardless of what
it is, when you cross them lines, you are in
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between the lines with some real ones. That's what I
know for certain. And that can come from any different
position that that's out there on that field from top
to bottom. And if you ain't ready to go handle
your business in a full contact sport, that's why they
give you helmets. That's why they give you shoulder pads.
That's why they give you leg protectors and hip and
(36:47):
girdles and stuff like that. You know why, because they're
telling you you're entering into a full contact sport. Cat's
get their teeth knocked out in hockey, it's a full
contact sport. You don't hear hockey dudes complaining about this
puck knock my freaking teeth out, or this dude cross
check the hell out of me, or or or ramped
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me into to the wall and stuff like that. We
don't need to get to that point of football because
I keep hearing about this flag football stuff. Y'all will
not convince me that we are heading towards flag football.
We're not. It's not touch football. So learn how to
deal with a top block, how to deal with a
cut block? Yeah, damn yeah. The state of the Union. Yeah,
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just saying, man, some of us, some of us made
a living off of being able to to play that position,
you know what I mean. Don't don't diminish their downgrade,
what what we've had to endure, what we had to
adapt to. It's also a great point that, I mean,
people can act like this concern over you know, and
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I'm gonna be real for a second, because I I
think a lot of players are concerned about CT and
the after effects of football. The reality is most players
who ask them when they do it all over again,
or yeah, of course they would. And and the reality is, well,
you can make the case that the NFL college football
football in general has never been in a healthier position
(38:17):
at least how it's consumed and how people absorb it,
in how people watch it. So for those of you
out there, that thing, hey, flag football, that's the future,
that's the It's no, it's not. I mean you have
c has become a big thing, and fighting kind of
has has come back in a in a way, if
you will, in part because we like the physicality, we
(38:37):
like the contact. That's just that's just the truth. People
don't want to admit it, but they like seeing people
get knocked out. They like seeing big hits, they like
seeing all that stuff. They like seeing the physicality, and
if they can't do it, they like seeing someone else do.
And they're like root for them, and they'll pay to
go see it, and then they'll bet on it. So
it's the truth of the matter is like, you know,
this is this is part of the game, and it's
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one of those is that they might review it, but
they already did review it. This is one of the
biggest changes they made for player safety and players on
defense to allow them to cut within the tackle box
because it's part of the game. Like the safety portion
of it isn't for the defensive player in that regard,
it's for the offensive players smaller going up against the
bigger defensive guy. So it's that rule. This rule is
(39:22):
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Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!
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UConn basketball star Azzi Fudd brings her championship swag to iHeart Women’s Sports with Fudd Around and Find Out, a weekly podcast that takes fans along for the ride as Azzi spends her final year of college trying to reclaim the National Championship and prepare to be a first round WNBA draft pick. Ever wonder what it’s like to be a world-class athlete in the public spotlight while still managing schoolwork, friendships and family time? It’s time to Fudd Around and Find Out!