August 28, 2024 • 54 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, fans make fun of dashed dreams as NFL teams make their final roster cuts. The guys react to the Connor Stalions doc on Netflix. The Old P, Petros Papadakis talks about the transition from Week 0 to Week 1 and LeBron telling Bronny to not call him ‘Dad’ on the court.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with LaVar rating Winn and Jonas knots on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I mean, are you LeVar or am I LeVar?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm trying to mean it's kind of funny. Man who listen.
I was on the airplane yesterday. I was enjoying listen.
I was ready to be off to myself for the flight.
I met this this wonderful lady. Her name is Ceci.
Shouts out to Cec. If you're listening, she's probably going tune.
It's probably too early for her to be listening right now,
but she's she's as part of a board and she's
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part of the audit, part of the board of a
couple of big companies.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
But super cool person.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
We're sitting there, we're talking, chopping it up, and the
guy like this guy behind me who's probably listening, and
I didn't get your name, So I apologize for that, boss,
but thank you, thank you for what you did. But
tap me on my shoulder and he was like Jonas,
like are you are you gonna think? Are you Jonas Knox?
And I looked at him and I was like, I
(01:07):
was like, you do know that Jonas is uh noxicon, right,
But before I could get it out, he was like, nah,
I'm joking, man, but I listened to the show every day. Man,
you guys are the best. I was like, really, like
Dann start scratching my head, like is our show that good?
Is It's pretty good?
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Pretty good? It's like I was.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I mean, I was pretty I was pumped up about it, man,
and people were looking and it was all off of
him recognizing my voice.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Man, man, it's pretty cool. I loved.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
I mean, that's like the greatest moment of my life
right there, Like you call me Jonas, Yeah, being confused
for you, Like, that's what a moment.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
You know, he was a brother for about two minutes.
You was a brother, not.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Forty time dropped three seconds, swag met a sudden, it's
crazy tang, all sorts.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Of stuff, all sorts of Well.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
We appreciate everybody that listens, and yeah, thanks, thanks. I mean,
I wish he would have given his name. We would
have given him a shout out too.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
It I forgot to get his name.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
Guy who tapped Lemar on the shoulder. We appreciate it.
I appreciate the support. And we were often running here
on a Wednesday morning here until nine am Eastern time,
six o'clock Pacific. Now, we did get the rosters in
the NFL cut down to fifty three around the league.
We're gonna get into, you know, some speculation. Maybe there's
some people that are going to get traded. But uh,
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have you guys noticed that people sort of look at
the trimming down of rosters And I didn't even see
this until Brady pointed it out. But like Kadarius Tony
gets released, you know, like they move on from him
in Kansas City, and some smart ass posts a picture
of the blue medical tent on Zillow and says, Cadarius
(02:57):
Tony already has his house up per se.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That's pretty good, though everyone's yead jokes, it's pretty good.
Speaker 7 (03:04):
It's right.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
The guy literally just had his dreams crushed, like just
crushed like and maybe he'll he's gonna catch on somewhere
else and get an opportunity. But for a lot of
these guys, like this is it twenty two, twenty three
years old, something you've done your entire life and now
you just got to go figure out what's next because
there may not be an opportunity for you and people
are posting fake Zillow pictures of a blue medical tent
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after somebody gets cut.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
It's really funny.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Do it here.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
It's you don't want to like wish ill upon anybody
or anything like that, but I mean that's pretty funny, man.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Did you see the worst one? Though?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Did JaMarcus Russell? One? No, which one did you see?
I was just talking about that before the show started.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Jam Russell voted that the player ever the Desmond Riddle one? No, No,
I didn't see that one. So Desmond or did a
partnership of door Dash. It's a commercial where he's working out. Yes,
he's delivering stuff on door Dashing. Yes, obviously he got
released yesterday, so you can connect the dots. But I
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was like, this is cold, Like whoever whoever did this
is just it's cold.
Speaker 8 (04:18):
Man.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Did you see the one where the kid was he
fell into the cinnamon toast crutch like it's like his
best impersonation of Desmond Ritter.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I believe that's what it was. I could be off
though it was a little early.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Wait what this little kid that was in the grocery store,
Alan was doing something and he was doing like his
little jig or whatever he stumbled and fell. It fell
into the cinnamon toast crunch, not the cinnamon toast crunch.
(04:55):
A lot going on the internet. I mean, there's so
many things going on in the internet. Man, it's all
I mean.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
And you know, meanwhile, you know, you have people who
are sitting their heartbroken because now they're not going to
get to play or continue or pursue their dreams, and
people out there just make jokes. I wonder how many
of those people have actually pursued something for their entire
life and had it taken away, because if they did,
I think of my change, their perspective and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
No, the farthest they've gotten is to the refrigerator to
grab something out of there. H do some chips? That's
that's usually. That's usually most people. Most people who are
like goal oriented and like high achievers, they're not paying
attention to anything that's set on social media. Oh yeah,
I'm just I'm throwing it out there, like these are
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the people that you kind of, you know, you kind
of leave high school with and twenty years later you're like,
what are you doing? They're like, oh, the same thing,
Like oh okay, all right, So this.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Is some of them so good at creating the hateful
things that they create, though it's such good stuff. Some
of the material is really good. Even I want to
hate them, like I hate.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
The desert, Like that's not that good. It's just that
that was kind of a lay up.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
It's like the one during the season where like if
two quarterbacks have a bad game or something, there's the
gift that goes out of the two trash cans floating
down the street. It's like, hey, look at so and
so and so and so had on their way back
to the locker room. It's say, come on, man, like,
we're really like like nobody safe.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
There's literally nobody safe.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
It was very, very apparent on our texting yesterday that
I am the pessimist of our group.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
You know, I know you guys are super positive. So
I get it.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I get I get the hate, like I get having
the hate in your heart, like I understand it.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
But I don't know man, Like I'm more I'm.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
More hateful towards like situations and scenarios right Like I'm
the I'm the person that's like I hate the world
because I didn't make the roster.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I didn't make it right. But Q On the other hand,
Q is the guy.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It's like, you know what, I played well in high school,
made it to college, made it to college, got my
education there, made it to the Pros, and it just
didn't work out in the Pros. But you know what,
how many people get to to make it this far
and be in the locker room and you know, attend
the game.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I'm sitting there like, I'm not sure. You know what
I mean, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
That's exactly how I feel.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I mean, I'm just saying, you know, I feel like
you're you're the glass hand.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Can I be honest? The curtain. Someone gave us a
compliment yesterday, and LeVar responded like, let's say I have
two sisters, a mom and a wife, now three daughters.
Very much like they respond, whereas you're like, oh, that
dress looks beautiful on you, and they're like, oh, what
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what I was wearing before does it? That's basically how
Var responded.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
So you say, in every other dress I wore before
today didn't I didn't look good.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
That's exactly how you responded to a guy who gave
us a compliment about our show, and you looked for that.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Wait a minute, what I said.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I was like, I was like, yeah, that's dope.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
What wait a minute, So we're have we been that Badang?
All right, now you got me, you realed me back in.
You realed me back in. I choose to stay on
the positive side of things. I was like, all right,
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, Like, dang, I really am the hater of the crew.
Like I immediately thought about the New York Jets. That
is the first thing that popped into my mind. I
was like, you know what, that's how they feel about
me and these New York Jets.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
It is what it is. Yeah, y'all would be.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Right, you're a hater. I don't feel like.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I'm hating them.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
No, I just I'm just a glass half fool with them.
I mean half empty, half that fool. I'm half empty
on them.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
Well, I mean if you leave Robert Salah, he's not
closing the door on his song it coming back.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Here's here's why. Much like, if you're the team right now,
then I start off with the glass half full, because
that's all you have to do at this point in
time the season. It's the Yeah, thirty two teams, anyone
could win it. Now. In my heart after experiencing the NFL,
I think, you know, there's like eight teams, probably eight
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to ten franchises you feel like are legitimately trying to
win a Super Bowl. Most are just trying to run
a profitable business, and then the rest are just like
it might be like a cool toy the billionaire owner has.
But the reality is at the start of the season,
you can be optimistic because it's all out there for
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you. You know, it's all there for you. It's once you
get into it about eight, nine, ten weeks where you
get an identity of that team, you're like, this is
probably not gonna work. You know, that's the time where
you can be a glass half empty.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Guy, I got you, And.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Then what do you do? You just got to wait
the whole last few weeks in the season and help.
Uh oh, yeah, you have to endure. Yeah, you're just
you're like you're dragging it along. You know, you're looking
for the social media videos that are bouncing, but you're
not finding those anymore. You know, those are gone. That's
not your algorithm anymore. It's just all depression and sadness,
and it's like, you know, sad little animals that need
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to be adopted that aren't gonna get adopted and probably
gonna euthanize like it's just it's terrible stuff.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Yeah, but when you get the check every week or
every two weeks, however they do it like it's going
to make it feel a little bit better, Like, yeah,
we suck from.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Getting paid all you're talking about as a player? Yeah, no,
that that does it. You don't think about the money
at that point.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
You don't, You definitely don't.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
What else are you thinking about that if you suck,
at least you're paid, Like how you can get better,
what you can do to improve? I mean, you're trying
to find solutions. Man, You're doing all everything you can,
and you're just hoping and praying that when you are
outmatched it can be your day. You know, there's a
thing called that you know, money Carlo scenario, right, do
like ten thousand times, and that's usually how they do
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with all these algorithms. You know which team is gonna
beat which team, and sometimes it could be as bad
as like an eighty twenty scenario, and you're just like
hoping that today is one of those days where it's
gonna be your twenty percent, Like you're gonna find a
way of up saying you find a way winning the game.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Well, listen, you know what you be thinking? Will you
be losing it? You got a whole lot of season left.
Whick can I eat? Where can I go?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Your ghost anywhere? You go out? Like, hey, man, what
the hell is wrong with y'all?
Speaker 5 (11:27):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
You're getting door dash?
Speaker 4 (11:31):
We didn't have door dash back.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
No, no, back. Then you're gonna spot that delivery.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
You had to find a spot for you even get
to that fast fool you be at burger kick, take
your order, Let me get.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
Done of that.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Get up to the window.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
You gotta find that Wait a second, you're gonna find
that hole the ball mom and pop shop Italian place,
you know where they've got like Enrico, Who's who's ordering it?
Speaker 8 (11:53):
You know?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Go ahead deliver the food for you.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
From certain people out to get soccer games on the team.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Now they walk. The problem is they're betting against you,
so I don't mind it. They're actually winning off of
your device. That's that's the thing is though gladly delivered
to you because they're like, yeah, keep it up, how.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Beat that one time?
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Man?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I had so many experiences with this beat at one
time where you going somewhere, You're like, all right, I
made it out like it didn't happen right on your
way out of you you leave it out. You think
you guys gonna do any better This week I was
at the door, Gottie right in the back.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Paying it's things.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
It stings the words when you thought you got away
with it too, Like I made it up out of here.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Man, are we done?
Speaker 4 (12:43):
What you mean? Are we done?
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Tag?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I had to do that my whole career. Man, we
was we was some trash my entire pro career. And
then I get to New York and I wasn't even
a good enough contributor to be happy about doing well.
Like it's like the success of the team. I'm like, dang,
we're a really good team. I'm not really doing anything
to make us any better. I didn't get to I
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didn't get to be a part of good, but I
got used to figuring out how to be bad.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
It was like, man, you figure out different ways to
be positive about the bad.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
See that's that's that's the positive in that. I don't
look at it like that from a positive perspective. I
just looked at it more as like, well, you're learning,
you know, like you're you're figuring out different ways of
how you don't want to lose, you know, like you're like,
well that was unique, Like I'll never forget we lost
to Detroit on a last second hail mary. What they
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call defensive pass interference. Now I've seen a lot of
hail mary's, I've never seen a defensive past interference called.
But of course it just so happened to be the case.
And so then there's an additional play. Of course, Stafford
goes in throws a touchdown pass and then I believe
I don't know if they kicked the pac whatever it was.
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I stopped watching at that point. I was like, you
gotta be kidding me, Like, like, how many teams lose
on an end of game, no time left, hail mary?
That falls to the ground, But oh no, no, it's defensive
past interference, and then you got to come out and
deal with that. It's like, it's just it's a it's
a rarity, especially in the NFL, only because it's such
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a huge advantage for the offense to throw it up
from wherever, and then now all of a sudden, you
get an additional untimed down from like the two. It's
like that dramatically changes or one, whatever it is, dramatically
changes how things are gonna work.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
That sucks, man, Oh yeah, that one hurts. That one sucks, man,
damn bad sucks. But you know what, somebody's got to
do it. For every Tom Brady, there's a LeVar Arrington.
Speaker 8 (14:46):
Man.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Come on, I'm telling you, there's gotta be an opposite
end of the spectrum. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to
look out of Tom Brady and admire him as much
as you do.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
You know, I just and some of us we we
we embrace it. You just got to.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Learn to embrace it. That might be why I'm such
a hater. That might be why I'm so negative. I
developed that. I wasn't always like this. I wasn't always
like this, guys. I was made this way. I was
born in the dark, you know I was that.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I lived there. I lived there. Oh, you only visit,
but I I was born here.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Well, why don't you if you want to feel better
about things, don't you go back onto the text chain
and look at the individual juggling Duffel bags on the water.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
That's a little bit.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I mean, I definitely will be playing some uh some
corn holders. I am back in college. I am in
the last building. Shots out to my Penn State Nitny lines.
I had him saying, we are Penn State on plane
over here. We almost didn't make it in because I'm crazy.
Did y'all see the crazy like thunderstorms, lightning storms taking
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place in Chicago? Dang's crazy. Man almost didn't broth in here?
Really yeah? Crazy ruh. Then it was done. Just craziness
and that it was done.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah. So that's that summer, you know, summertime in west.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Man, good Man. I didn't think we was gonna make
it in, but we did.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
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Speaker 1 (17:03):
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Speaker 6 (17:05):
So have you guys had a chance to watch or
see any clips of the sign stealing thing on documentary
or documentary doc Hunter, Stallions or Netflix?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Have you guys had a chance to see that or
any What do I think of it? I mean, it
seems like he's pulling a Jim Harbaugh. You know, he's
he's not gonna admit to any wrongdoing or vilify himself.
There's also this sense of and and maybe it's growing
up in Columbus, Ohio, just understanding the passion and the
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culture for your college football team. And obviously I grew
up in a place where you know, I grew up
a Buckeyes fan. I was a Notre Dame fan too.
I don't know that I was, you know, specific to
one team, right, like, when I was young, the first
position I ever played was wide receiver. So I love
Jerry Rice. You know, Jerry Rice when I was the
first I could remember, was the greatest football player of
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all time. So I loved Joe Montana. I love Jerry Rice.
And you know, I'll still never forget Cordell Stewart throwing
a hill married to Michael Westbrook to beat Michigan. Yeah.
And you know, my dad, who was from Colorado, and
us watching the game in our basement, and I was
jumping up and down. Is the coolest thing I'd ever
seen before in my life. And at that time, you know,
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it was like these gold helmets, man, that's sweet. And
then you started liking you know, notre Dame, the gold helmet.
It's just something about the allure of the gold helmet.
But you know, it wasn't like I was, you know,
seriously for one team or another. I mean, I grew
up right in the backyard for the Buckeyes. So in
watching this whole thing, it to me displays this sense
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of what I think happens a lot oftentimes around ann Arbor,
oftentimes around Columbus is you get people who are obsessed.
I mean absolutely obsessed, live and die by the way
Ohio State plays or Michigan plays, and it's hard sometimes.
And I know you're a PA guy, I know your
Penn State guide, and I'm sure there's a very you
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know people who are similar in that respect to there.
But like the Michigan Ohio State rivalry is what it
is because there is like and it seems so weird
that there'd be like hatred over a college football rivalry,
but it's true, man, Like I grew up in it
and experienced it from a fan perspective, you know, as
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a recruit being recruited by both schools, and just their
perspective on it, Like it is real, It is real.
And what the documentary showcase more than anything to me,
was how much this guy loved the University of Michigan
and if he couldn't help them as a player or
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as a coach, he was going to help them in
whatever capacity he felt, like what's possible to help them
win a national championship. So that that's what it speaks
to me more than anything else, is like this was
a die hard fan, like past the point of obsession
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to where like this was what his life was about,
Like his calling like you almost kind of felt that
and that was what was all on the line.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Let me ask you this is that is there a
place for that in sport? Like there's probably somebody that
feels like that about every.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Team that exists.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah, And like, isn't that it should not be the
type I mean, within the rules of course, should not
be the type of people you.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Hire to some degree, But I don't know that there's
people who are willing to put their name, their reputation,
their livelihood on the line like that, you know what
I'm saying, Like, I mean, we now know him, and
he's associated with you know, this whole sign stealing scandalous
you will, and to what lengths it goes, It's it's
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hard to necessarily put your finger on I mean, there's
points in time in the documentary. You know, he's like
it doesn't look like me. He's sitting on the sidelines
in central Michigan. And and then you've got people saying
how you know, They're like, no, you know, he didn't
do it. He wasn't there, he wasn't a part of it,
and port noory comes out and it's like, no, that
was HIMY told me. So I was like, well, great,
there you go, Dave like way to help out your
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Michigan brethren.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
And then Fortnoye said he was misquoted later that they
they edited that to make it sound like that's what
he was trying to say, but he wasn't implying.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
And and look, maybe that's the case, right because they
that's that's part of the problem with documentaries, are you know,
there's there's oftentimes a lot of tape that happens and
a lot of editing that happens because they have to
create the story. And at the end of the day,
like they need you to watch, they need you to
talk about it. They need you to look at Netflix
in this case and say their original content is better
(21:56):
than anyone else's. They're Connor Stallion's documentary is gonna better
than anyone else's, Like that's part of their pitch. So right,
wrong or indifferent? I think no one looks at it
and says, oh, this is the absolute truth. Like Netflix
has this burden to prove one way or another. They're
just trying to put together a compelling documentary with interesting
stories and personalities that are involved. But anyway to your question, LeVar,
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I do think there are fans to some degree that
are like that for most things. But I do think
there's a line that they're not going to cross. And
obviously it didn't feel like there is any line that
Connor Stallions wasn't going to cross in the hopes of
getting or helping Michigan, which again I look at that
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in two ways. One and I have stated this publicly.
I know there's a lot of a Hot State fans
who feel like they've been wrong. They would shoot. First off,
you're not the only team in the Big Ten that
obviously they were doing this too. There's other teams that
are involved as well. The next thing I'd say is
a lot of people were doing it and we're doing
something similar. Careful for pointing the finger because you might
have some pointing back at you. And the last thing
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is is look when Connor Stallions and you know Michigan
was you know, kind of self punishing and and you
know the Big Ten obviously punished Harball towards the end
of the year. She wasn't involved in any of that stuff.
Like at some point last season, you got to take
your hat off and say that was just the National
Championship caliber team, Like I know a bunch of people
who said, like, whoa, look at the look at the
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games and their spreads and their covers and all this stuff.
And it's like, dude, stop using gambling as an indication
of that. Right, Like, you know, when Michigan wants to
turn on, they could turn on. They had a soft
schedule at the beginning of the season. They didn't need
to do as much as you know, to cover what
a forty points spread or whatever it was, thirty some
points spread versus ECU. Like, that's not in the back
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of Jim Harbaugh's mind at that point. And by the way,
he wasn't even on the field for that. He was
suspended for those few games. But but my I digress.
My point is is I look at it and just
go like, they still won the national championship. He wasn't
on the sidelines, he wasn't down there helping them prep
and all that. If anything, it was a distraction, like
they didn't have if they had an advantage, they didn't
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have it in the second half of last season. They
didn't have in the playoff and that led to them winning.
So you know, we can We're gonna make whatever we
want about what took place. The reality is. The documentary
is compelling only because I think it gives a lot
of people who don't grow up in that Ohio state
or Michigan culture a window into what it is like,
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like what it is like to grow up in that
And they kind of show the mom in the beginning
of the documentary like tackling him and and he almost
had this love for Michigan because of his mom loved Michigan,
and so there's like that kind of tale and story
to it. That to me, I'm kind of like, Yeah,
that's that's what it's like, man, that's part of the
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culture when you're from Ohio or you're from Michigan, Like,
that's that's how it works. You're kind of born into it.
Is he a hero? I think the Michigan fans in
some ways he is, you know, And I don't want
to speak for Michigan fans. Obviously I've got family members
who are Michigan lums, but I mean I would say
that I think people look at him and they say, like,
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I don't know if it's the exact definition of a
Michigan man, but they have this idea of what a Michigan,
A Michigan man is and I think, you know, he'd
be probably up there when.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
We talk about Barry Bonds and you know, should he
be a Hall of Fame or whatnot. I think we
all kind of feel the same that. Look, the reason
why we feel like he's the best ever is because
not only what he did after he started taking peds,
but how great of a player he was before he
did it. So we've seen them before and after. So yeah,
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you can say, well it gave him a little bit
of help or whatnot, but we've seen what it was
like both versions, and both versions were.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Great little hit. Barry Bonds was a banger.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
And it's fantastic.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
And that's why people say, well, he probably didn't need
to take steroids, so he probably didn't.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Need to take Is it even confirmed that he did, No,
but you know, never been confirmed. Yeah, here's the problem
with you, Jonas is you always want everyone to be
on the game. Well, but then it becomes a little accusatory.
Sometimes well you just think everyone is.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
My point is though, with Connor stallions, like we saw
both versions of Michigan. We saw Michigan when they were
allegedly signed stealing, and then we saw them when they
were caught and everything was out in the open, and
they and everybody was going to do something about it,
and their coach was punished, and guess what happened. They
won every single game, Like they won every single game.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
They ran the table. And so this kind of.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Loses steam for me because I go, all right, so
maybe he was cutting corners or cheating, if you want
to call it that, but it's not like that was
what got them to where they got to. They still
had to go win big games down the stretch, and
they did so, and they did so compromise without their
head coach in a lot of those spots. So I
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just look at it and I go feels like a
fan base, if you're a high state, maybe you're upset,
and you're being upset should be directed towards the fact
that it's been like two thousand days since you beating.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Them, right well, And the other thing I think is
it discredits what JJ McCarthy has accomplished because it just
so happens to coincide if you look at who was
the start of the past two years is JJ McCarthy,
and go back through his high school career, you know,
go back through I mean, he's he's been a winner
wherever wherever he's been. That's the one thing when you
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get people who are around JJ McCarthy or people who
have evaluated him and talking why the Minnesota Vikings are
so high on him too, and that's why they draft
him in the first round, is they just they feel
like there's that it factor. There's those intangibles that you
look for, and a guy who you know, whether it's
being selfless, whether it's making a play when he needs
to or toughing it out, grinding it out. You know,
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they feel like he has those intangibles, and so it's
a discredit to him. I personally feel like too. You know,
when they moved on from Josh Gaddis and this is
no respected Josh Gattis, but there was somewhat of a
significant offensive improvement. You know, they made staff changes over
that period of time too, that made for a big change.
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I've talked at length about Mike McDonald and just his
impact on that defense, and now that kind of started
a little bit too. Of that run of Michigan defense
is feeling like they were a top three, top five
defense every single year, and then it transferred over to
the Jesse Minner, who you know, rent very similar system
everything else kind of kept that intact and upheld that.
(28:32):
So you start looking through some of the staff change.
You started looking at like, well, wh who's playing quarterback?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Okay, J J. McCarthy, Oh yoh, that the guy who
went in the first round got you like it kind
of starts to add up to that, You're you're discrediting
what they actually did on the field, and forget the
sign stealing for a second. Like I've gone over this
with you guys before, they hadn't had a quarterback that
they recruited and got drafted that they recruited and got
drafted since Chad Henny. I mean, think about how long
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ago that was.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
I was like nine like that. It's a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
It's a hell of a long time. And so if
you look at like what's been one of the missing pieces,
that's one of the missing pieces. Like, if you want
to compete, you want to win a national championship in
college football, you better have a QB. I mean, if
we were talking Penn State standards, that's the you want
to be honest with the biggest questions this year, Andy
Kodlnecki is the offensive coordinator they brought in from Kansas.
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He's creative, smart guy. He's gonna put Drew Aller in
a position to succeed. Now, whether or not Drew Aller
ends up being the right guy for the system, we're
gonna find out. It starts off here coming up this
this weekend. But if he's not bot Pribula, I think
is it also a very good fit.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I mean I've been I've been singing Drew Drew's praises
since he's got I have too.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Dude, he reminds me of a little big Ben. Yeah,
I believe.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I believe he will the maturity, I think some of
the setbacks that he's had, I mean, don't need to
go too deep into the breakdown or Drew, But I
hear what you're saying though, But they have.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
A shot, in my opinion, because of what I think.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
You're algy, Yes, yes, yeah, I mean you're you're But again.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I felt like anytime we had a good year here
at at Penn State, it was because we had a
quarterback that could play. And and I say that to say,
not not a first round draft pick quarterback, right, not
a not a franchise guy. So if we if if
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Drew turns out to be the guy I think he is,
and I call him the franchise. If he turns out
to be a franchise quarterback, I believe that the program
goes to another level. And and what it's it's possibilities
of achievement are and and that's to say, I mean,
with Tracey mc sorely, we won the Big Ten. You know, no,
you know that that's a whole nother debate that we
didn't get an opportunity to get into the playoff. But
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and and that's you know, it's all debatable. I get it,
But that's not the case this year. Right, So going
into the scenario that you're going into now, it is
going to be I mean, it's interesting to watch college football,
it's interesting to watch pro football. Hell, it's interesting to
watch high school football. I've only won one championship in
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my entire career of playing ball. That was my freshman
year of high school. And it was because we had
a dope ass quarterback. Our quarterback was the dopest high
school football player to this day I've ever I've ever
seen with my own two eyes. And we won it all.
We went undefeated and that's the thing. If you have
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a guy at that position, you got a chance. And
that's ultimately that's how it gets defined. That's what it
comes down to. So you know, to look at what
Michigan was able to do. Back to the original point,
JJ McCarthy led that team in ways that he needed
to lead them. I think having a sense of when
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you need to to do what you need to do,
whether it be passing or even at times when he
ran the ball and pulled the ball down and.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Did what he needed to do with his legs, he
did it.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
You know, the backfield with Coram and those guys when
they needed to put the game on their shoulders and
on their back.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
I'm sorry, you could steal all the signs you.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Want to steal if you can't cut off the corner
or you can't stop them getting to the insides of
the tackles and getting upfield and chunking out yards and
where and chopping down the clock and getting and getting
points at the end of those those drives that they're
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just grinding it out on the ground.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
You can't sit there and tell me that stealing signs
is the reason why you couldn't stop those boys from running.
At some point in time. You got to set an edge,
you got to be able to get to him. The
guy was like, I mean, both of them, what's the
fact that's still there right now? Like both of them, they're.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Just so to me.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I take my hat off to how well Michigan played.
They came together. They played well early, but they came together.
It was them against the world. They rode it out,
and for what it's worth, they had the talent to
go along with it. I mean, you can't you can't
place a cheaters hat on that. You can't put an
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asterisk beside that team and what they were able to accomplish.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
I just don't see it that way.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 6 (33:47):
And it is a Wednesday, which means it's time for
one of the favorite traditions on this show for many
people out there, as we get a visit from our guy.
The old Pat was Papadakis, the co host of the
Petros and Money Show, which you can hear on the
Blowtorch and five seven e l a sports Fox college
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football analyst and our.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Good friend Pete. What's happening that good cigal.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Early in the morning?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
That's great?
Speaker 7 (34:18):
Yeah, and Lady Saw.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Yes, Lady Saw sound like Petra.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Lady Patra.
Speaker 7 (34:27):
Although famous in our day, LeVar nowhere near is impactful
dancehall world as a Lady Saw. The Lady Saw is
no longer Lady Saw. She she had, No, she's born again. Yeah, mother, mother, No,
she doesn't use saw at all anymore. She just goes
by her name Marion. I forget her last name. But anyway,
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she's become Yeah, she's become born again and she still performs,
but mostly gospel. And she's had now that she got
rid of the slackness lyrics which are you know, sexual
lyrics and stuff like that. She does not Marion Hall,
that's her name. She can't get a visa anymore.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Oh wait, because Marion Hall, who does like that?
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I don't know what kind of music that is?
Speaker 7 (35:18):
What Marion Hall? Yeah, well there could be two, you know,
it's a big war then, but Marion Hall, Lady Saw
It really is probably the most famous female dance hall
performer of all time. No doubt used her on a song.
Steven Sagall used her on a song. A lot of
rappers have used her and stuff like.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Marion hill is who I was thinking of that.
Speaker 7 (35:45):
That is like a seven or eight yard out, like
over the head of the receiver.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Overthrow. That's the you know, hey, first series, first get
up there. That's that's the thing you say as a quarterback.
Petrooss do you ever hear the quarterback they used to go?
It's like, hope you can bring I think at last
moment and I'm very tired, puts pick up.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
He's you guys know what Patton goes.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Well, you guys do, but that the listeners, Patten go
is like a way to you know, warm up in football.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
The only way I got on the field after the
walk through.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
Uh, you do the thing where the quarterback pats the
ball and everybody just kind of runs, you know, a
little route quarterbacks arm warm up.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
If the dude threw it too far, I just stop
and turn around. I wouldn't even go get it.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Oh you were one of those guys.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
Oh if the dude was all juiced up and like
four string quarterback like Pat and go like it's like
all right, at Laser Show.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I remember remember when that soldier boy tell him or
whatever wherever that however, that song went yeah, yeah, yeah,
that song were there like the Superman all yeah, that song.
It's single handedly ruined the pattent Go line in Cleveland.
I'll never forget that's coming on. And not one skill player,
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not one paid attention to anything that was happening in
pat and Go and it would just started dancing and
doing the Superman or whatever that was, and I was like,
what is happening? Is this is this normal in the NFL?
Is how this goes?
Speaker 7 (37:16):
I had an epiphany like that at USC where there
was the John Robinson had there was this chick named
Jamie and she wore like a holster, like for guns,
but instead of the of a gun, instead of a
gun and the holster, it was the air horn, you know,
to blow the horn and the horn you know, in
practice it indicates that you know you're changing periods or
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if you get the three toots, practice is over and
everybody wants practice to be over. There's nothing football players
hate more than football practice. And I remember John Robinson
would go.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
And ye.
Speaker 7 (38:02):
And then the guy started doing like uh. They had
like a song which was Jake me blowing a horn
and Jamie and it was very distracting. He couldn't get
any work here at the end of practice.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
With the blow the horn chats wait hold lot of
that by the way, that John Robinson might be up
there with one of your best ever.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Oh yeah, my j rob is probably my best.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
But you know, not as significant as a coach anymore
as he used to be. But yeah, John Robinson, and
he really used to like point at her like almost
like very cinematically. And I might have seen Jamie doing
more than blowing a horn once.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
In the dam and I was I was shocked.
Speaker 7 (38:46):
I was absolutely young, a young, impressional white tail back,
and I was shot.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
We got some sound for you. I know. I'm sure
Jonas was going to do it.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
No, I baby, Q was going. I didn't want to
piss you off. P I just want to for the record.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
This is my idea.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
We've been teasing this, sorry to Petros, and I just
want to I want us to have enough time for
you to discuss.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
It and talk about it.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
It's close.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
It's close.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Oh I wish it was I close. I saw that
clip Petros, and I almost called you that was I
was just look, I.
Speaker 7 (39:24):
Had like a thousand plus people there, and Jeanie's sitting there,
and then you know, Jemmie's like a baby seal, like
she's not that comfortable being interviewed, but she does our
show once a year because we go way way back,
and doesn't care about the criticism and she knows about it.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
And you guys are close to j Moore, so like
all makes sense.
Speaker 7 (39:41):
I don't know jaymore that well, but but there might
be some other people involved in the show that do.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (39:48):
But she uh we mentioned Brownie James like early and
and and.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
People were like oh, like people were booing. I was like.
Speaker 7 (39:59):
Doing, we can get through the next seven minutes of
this interview and get this woman on her way. Uh,
but go ahead and play the sound.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Okay, we want it because it this has to do
with Bronnie, but kind of sort of indirectly because it's
lebron talking about Go ahead right now, you let it go.
Speaker 8 (40:17):
You cannot call me Dad in the workplace, all right.
Once we once we leave out of the private facility
and the gates close, I could be Dad.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
Again in the car.
Speaker 8 (40:26):
If we ride together at home, I could be Dad. No,
he gotta call me like two three or Bron okay
or you know, go if he wants to, that's.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
Up to him. I mean, I just would you ever
call him Goat?
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Would you call him Goat James?
Speaker 7 (40:47):
No?
Speaker 5 (40:48):
I you know, I'm from a different air.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
I still think Michael Jordan's the greatest basketball player of
all time.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
But it can't be.
Speaker 7 (40:56):
It can't be denied that Lebron James is not maybe
the most significant athlete of his generation, without a doubt,
probably is unless you factor in all the soccer stuff.
He really is a marvel. He's gonna be forty and
he's still performing at a great level. What it takes
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to run the Lebron James industry, the way they fire people,
move people around, deny it all, manipulate the media. That
kind of stuff is unsavory to me, and I'm never
going to be cool with it. But you can't deny
his greatness as an athlete.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
I mean, he's.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Really He certainly wasn't denying it in that story.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
No, well, he never Well when he said what was it?
Speaker 7 (41:41):
He said that the block on the Voyeurs made him
the greatest player of all time?
Speaker 5 (41:46):
Yeah, yeah, From that.
Speaker 7 (41:47):
Moment on he's been a full on self propagandist, which
is whatever. That's fine. I mean, I guess it's fine.
I mean, Genie Buss said it to us. She considers
him a bargain. They make a lot of money off
Lebron James, whether that means wins and losses, I mean,
they don't compete for championships, which is what the Lakers
people thought that.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
That's what the Lakers were all about.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Petros Petros in season, in season champs last year.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
So you're right, sorry they raised that manner.
Speaker 7 (42:16):
But I mean, honestly, guys, it's we got a game
this week, you know.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
I mean, but I'm worried about it.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
So you're not You're not bothered by two three or
Bron or goat.
Speaker 7 (42:26):
Well, we're in the two three week comfort zone of
Genie Bus came on the show. So I'm being nice
for a couple of weeks. It's a cycle, guys, It's
been going on for like decades. I'm not I'm not
as offended by it. Look, the whole thing's going to
be insufferable. The thing was inside you knew it was
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going to be insufferable and hard to swallow. When they
picked the kid, you knew it was going to be
a gas lighting anthem. That's and so we're just we're
right on track for that. Can't wait for media day.
Speaker 6 (43:03):
I'm curious because we've talked about there not being a
preseason in college football. When you were playing, did you
ever felt like feel like you were ready to go
week one? Or was it like, yeah, help, this goes
well well.
Speaker 7 (43:16):
The camps we used to have were so horrible and
so intense and so without regulation and rules that by
the time week one came, you were ready to rip
the head off your opponents, swinging around like a hammer,
throw into the stands. That being said, you would worry
about losing steam, you know, mid October, and that's usually
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what would happen to some of our teams when I
played for Paul Hackett, because we would literally have three
days and forty play run drills and just absolute death
march of a camp, and you'd come out in week
one and just physically eat somebody alive because you're so
pissed off. But then maybe your team's to run out
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of gas and injuries catch up. It's not a perfect balance,
but football is so much preparation so much installment, so
much glacial pace in the offseason to get ready just
for one game. So yeah, you feel ready, I mean,
and if you're not, you don't even know the difference,
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because you think you're ready, You think your team is awesome,
you think everybody's in great shape, you think everybody's ready
to go. Whether that's the case or not, it's hard
to say. Sometimes you get out on the field and
you know two or three guys are that used to
be standing right next to you are now laying down
like Private Ryan, and.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
You're like, oh my god. Yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 7 (44:44):
You always feel you always feel really anxious to play
the first game because you're tired of playing against your
own guys. You're tired of rooting against your defense, rooting
against your offense so to speak, in practice, and really
really having a deep hatred for those people.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Is there a party that feels like, I mean, when
you watch the NFL preseason and go, it would be
nice to have like a warm up or something. And
do you look at the college football schedule and do
you just give you know, teams like, for example, Penn
State and West Virginia we're going to be there this weekend.
Do you give them more credit for scheduling a more
difficult Week one right out the game.
Speaker 7 (45:22):
Always do because that's what makes Week one exciting. Like
I have Arizona State Wyoming, which is kind of an
afterthought of a game, but Wyoming won won No, they
won nine games last year and Arizona State lost nine,
and of course they're reloaded and deeper. And I think
Kenny Dillingham's a really, really interesting and impactful name in
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college football, and he's got some tough circumstances there. But
I like that game because it feels like it's going
to be competitive, right. I mean, when somebody throws out
Abilene Christian in Week one, everybody's just going through the
motions to stroke the other team in the broadcast, and
it's a celebration of them in a showcase. I'd much
rather see youself yourself tested in Week one. LSU USC
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is going to be interesting.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
You know.
Speaker 7 (46:08):
In West Virginia is a much improved team with a
speedy quarterback and green and a coach that saved his
job Neil Brown last year took over the play calling.
Speaker 5 (46:19):
So I like that. I prefer that.
Speaker 7 (46:23):
That was generally what happened when I was at USC,
we played Penn State or Purdue or somebody like that
in the opener. Very rarely a team that we were,
you know, favored to win by thirty or something like that.
To me, that's a little bit better because it gives
you a measuring stick. But and with the new playoff,
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I don't think anybody really knows how it's going to
shake out.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
That's the thing.
Speaker 7 (46:49):
Everybody's acting like they have it all figured out this
year and they know what it's going to be like,
But nobody really knows what it's going to be like
at all, because we've never done anything like this before,
not to this magnitude.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Your squad can beat LSU, that's a big win. If
they can get out to gate NB.
Speaker 7 (47:05):
I mean, yeah, yeah, I'm not in this realm where
it's like, oh my god, USC screwed. You know, they
have a new defensive staff. I'm very interested to see
if USC wins that game.
Speaker 5 (47:16):
It's not going to.
Speaker 7 (47:16):
Be because they scored fifty points, although if they do
they might win. I think if they win the game,
guessing about the team, it'll be because they're much improved
physically upfront. You can't just run the ball all over them,
like you've been able to the last decade or so,
since two thousand and six two thousand and eight, USC
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has been really susceptible to that. So if LSU, I mean,
and LSU's given up what like two thousand yards rushing
the last couple of years, they haven't stopped the run
very well, either's not optimistic. I don't know. I don't
but that's the thing that's like, I don't know at all.
I mean, LSU's got a lot of different guys, but
most people just say it's an SEC team. USC is soft,
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they've been saw.
Speaker 5 (48:02):
And LSU is going to run over them. That's what
I mean. That's what you said.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
That happens, though, what will your reaction be?
Speaker 5 (48:09):
Not surprised?
Speaker 7 (48:12):
But like if somebody's going to run the football on you,
they're going to do it in week three, or they're
going to do it in week one, Like, let's figure
it out, right us.
Speaker 5 (48:21):
He's got an all new defensive staff.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Agay, you guys are in a different conference. Well, yeah,
you know what I'm saying, run that they run.
Speaker 5 (48:31):
I understand.
Speaker 7 (48:32):
What I'm saying is if USC is going to be
giving up a lot of run running yards, this year,
it's either going to happen in week one, week five,
week eight. You should know what your susceptibility is early.
And they've hired all new people to stop that kind
of bleeding, so we'll know. I don't know. I mean,
(48:52):
I really don't know. I mean last year they just
weren't big enough and obviously didn't have a great defensive scheme.
They had to fire everybody, Lincoln Riley's best friends. Yeah,
and Miller Moss is going to be the starter, and
Lincoln Riley's going to be calling place with more of
a Baker Mayfield type of guy or not as much
(49:12):
of an improvisational quarterback, I should say. Uh, so that'll
be very different and maybe a little bit more consistent
for the offense. But as far as having a real
gauge on what's going to happen in the game, I
don't think us he's going to get blown off the field.
But then again, Brian Kelly, I mean, what does he
won nine to ten games is last two years?
Speaker 4 (49:34):
Family ain't done winning.
Speaker 7 (49:36):
You Yeah, and yet though he has adopted quite a southern.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
Uh uh, that's right, they got some games left in
them that they need still win.
Speaker 4 (49:47):
Him and his family.
Speaker 7 (49:48):
Is he the winning most winning coach in the history
of Notre Dame?
Speaker 2 (49:51):
He is, he has more wins.
Speaker 7 (49:53):
I can't believe they let him beat a new Rockney's
record before that they fired him.
Speaker 5 (50:01):
Would that's what Holtz?
Speaker 4 (50:05):
Then they didn't get rid of it.
Speaker 7 (50:07):
But I thought they would get rid of him before.
I mean, I thought that that record. They were never
going to let a coach eclipse that record. But they
let Brian Kelly eclipse in and then he left him
at the altar.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Well, that's one way of putting it. I mean, I
think there's a lot more details behind the story. It's
actually funny, you know, that Lincoln Riley effect is ultimately
how it all came around. It was LSU who was
originally looking at Lincoln Riley, right, That's how once and
once that fell through, the USC position came open, and
USC was maybe inquiring about Brian Kelly's interest about coming
(50:42):
out to be head coach, and he wasn't going to
do that. But once Lincoln Riley it was interested in USC,
and LSU was looking for a head coach and then
opened up the opportunity for I don't know, maybe they're
both wrapped by the same agent, and maybe it both
kind of worked out where Lincoln Riley was the USC
and Brian Kelly goes to l s U.
Speaker 7 (51:02):
Yeah, but before that, I mean, it just shocks me
that they ever let him get that far. I never
I never was winning ten times. I never thought Notre
Dame would let a guy beat that record. I always
thought that they'd find a way to retire him or
get rid of him.
Speaker 5 (51:18):
I'm not kidding to me.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
He'd been into a national championship game and then two
college football players, I'm.
Speaker 7 (51:24):
Just playing some drugs in his car figure out, you
know what I mean. I literally thought, I literally thought
that they would find like they they'd put him in,
They'd dip him in a lake, you know, or something.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
Get a trash bag full of methods. Look like the
dairy queen when you get the soft.
Speaker 7 (51:43):
Rockney was like a national hero as a football coach.
Speaker 5 (51:46):
I mean, try to explain to people.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
People don't understand he literally built the stadium there. He
was poor, he was poor general contractor. Like people don't
understand that their lengths of the house. That Rockney Bill
was not really about the success that he had on
the field. It literally had to do with his vision
for creating a football only stadium, which was not the
norm back then. That's why you always had those tracks
(52:10):
around the football stadium was because usually it was a
shared space. And his vision was to make football have
a venue like that where people would come, and he
built it.
Speaker 7 (52:20):
Now Kansas had a track up until a couple of
years ago. But yeah, Newt Rockney's legend and legacy and
the myth.
Speaker 5 (52:29):
Of it all.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
He had the Horsemen, didn't he did the Horseman, the
four Horsemen.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
Yeah, where they coached by him.
Speaker 7 (52:39):
I thought, he it's quite possible. I know mister inside
and mister Outside were army.
Speaker 5 (52:43):
I know that. But but Newt Rockney had like.
Speaker 7 (52:48):
Radio shows about him, like TV specials about his life,
like you can't imagine, like Nick Saban stardom is a
flickering night light compared to the way people used to
look at Newt Rockney in the way Notre Dame revers him.
And I was just surprised they'd ever let anybody beat
that record. And then Brian Kelly beat that record, and
(53:10):
some shisty agent helped him get down to Cajun country
like Southern Comfort, that.
Speaker 6 (53:14):
Movie Petros, You're on Wyoming Arizona State this weekend.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Correct, I am ten FS one by the way. Yeah,
they were the horsemen.
Speaker 4 (53:24):
Yeah, they were go go go finish the plug.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Well no, just ten thirty Eastern Times Revelation, you know,
the horsemen of the Apotmas. No, jeez, I think that
was the opening ceremony for the Olympics. Yeah. Ah, what
I mean? Too much? Too many times?
Speaker 5 (53:41):
And berries out there for you.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Where are you going with those belt berries? Uh no,
just let everybody know.
Speaker 6 (53:48):
Ten thirty Eastern Times, seven thirty Pacific FS one on Saturday, Wyoming,
Chris Myers state.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 5 (53:56):
I could because I care.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Tell me about Sigale here. What's he looking for? A yeah,
what is he looking for?
Speaker 4 (54:08):
He's looking for to wind. Yes, and he wanted them
to wind it.
Speaker 6 (54:12):
Of course he is, uh petro, So we appreciate it again.
At the old p on x is where you can
find him. And yes, he'll be on the call. Wyoming,
Arizona State, ten thirty Eastern Times, Saturday night on FS
one
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with LaVar rating Winn and Jonas knots on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I mean, are you LeVar or am I LeVar?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm trying to mean it's kind of funny. Man who listen.
I was on the airplane yesterday. I was enjoying listen.
I was ready to be off to myself for the flight.
I met this this wonderful lady. Her name is Ceci.
Shouts out to Cec. If you're listening, she's probably going tune.
It's probably too early for her to be listening right now,
but she's she's as part of a board and she's
(00:39):
part of the audit, part of the board of a
couple of big companies.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
But super cool person.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
We're sitting there, we're talking, chopping it up, and the
guy like this guy behind me who's probably listening, and
I didn't get your name, So I apologize for that, boss,
but thank you, thank you for what you did. But
tap me on my shoulder and he was like Jonas,
like are you are you gonna think? Are you Jonas Knox?
And I looked at him and I was like, I
(01:07):
was like, you do know that Jonas is uh noxicon, right,
But before I could get it out, he was like, nah,
I'm joking, man, but I listened to the show every day. Man,
you guys are the best. I was like, really, like
Dann start scratching my head, like is our show that good?
Is It's pretty good?
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Pretty good? It's like I was.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I mean, I was pretty I was pumped up about it, man,
and people were looking and it was all off of
him recognizing my voice.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Man, man, it's pretty cool. I loved.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
I mean, that's like the greatest moment of my life
right there, Like you call me Jonas, Yeah, being confused
for you, Like, that's what a moment.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
You know, he was a brother for about two minutes.
You was a brother, not.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Forty time dropped three seconds, swag met a sudden, it's
crazy tang, all sorts.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Of stuff, all sorts of Well.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
We appreciate everybody that listens, and yeah, thanks, thanks. I mean,
I wish he would have given his name. We would
have given him a shout out too.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
It I forgot to get his name.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
Guy who tapped Lemar on the shoulder. We appreciate it.
I appreciate the support. And we were often running here
on a Wednesday morning here until nine am Eastern time,
six o'clock Pacific. Now, we did get the rosters in
the NFL cut down to fifty three around the league.
We're gonna get into, you know, some speculation. Maybe there's
some people that are going to get traded. But uh,
(02:34):
have you guys noticed that people sort of look at
the trimming down of rosters And I didn't even see
this until Brady pointed it out. But like Kadarius Tony
gets released, you know, like they move on from him
in Kansas City, and some smart ass posts a picture
of the blue medical tent on Zillow and says, Cadarius
(02:57):
Tony already has his house up per se.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That's pretty good, though everyone's yead jokes, it's pretty good.
Speaker 7 (03:04):
It's right.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
The guy literally just had his dreams crushed, like just
crushed like and maybe he'll he's gonna catch on somewhere
else and get an opportunity. But for a lot of
these guys, like this is it twenty two, twenty three
years old, something you've done your entire life and now
you just got to go figure out what's next because
there may not be an opportunity for you and people
are posting fake Zillow pictures of a blue medical tent
(03:29):
after somebody gets cut.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
It's really funny.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Do it here.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
It's you don't want to like wish ill upon anybody
or anything like that, but I mean that's pretty funny, man.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Did you see the worst one? Though?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Did JaMarcus Russell? One? No, which one did you see?
I was just talking about that before the show started.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Jam Russell voted that the player ever the Desmond Riddle one? No, No,
I didn't see that one. So Desmond or did a
partnership of door Dash. It's a commercial where he's working out. Yes,
he's delivering stuff on door Dashing. Yes, obviously he got
released yesterday, so you can connect the dots. But I
(04:13):
was like, this is cold, Like whoever whoever did this
is just it's cold.
Speaker 8 (04:18):
Man.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Did you see the one where the kid was he
fell into the cinnamon toast crutch like it's like his
best impersonation of Desmond Ritter.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I believe that's what it was. I could be off
though it was a little early.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Wait what this little kid that was in the grocery store,
Alan was doing something and he was doing like his
little jig or whatever he stumbled and fell. It fell
into the cinnamon toast crunch, not the cinnamon toast crunch.
(04:55):
A lot going on the internet. I mean, there's so
many things going on in the internet. Man, it's all
I mean.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
And you know, meanwhile, you know, you have people who
are sitting their heartbroken because now they're not going to
get to play or continue or pursue their dreams, and
people out there just make jokes. I wonder how many
of those people have actually pursued something for their entire
life and had it taken away, because if they did,
I think of my change, their perspective and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
No, the farthest they've gotten is to the refrigerator to
grab something out of there. H do some chips? That's
that's usually. That's usually most people. Most people who are
like goal oriented and like high achievers, they're not paying
attention to anything that's set on social media. Oh yeah,
I'm just I'm throwing it out there, like these are
(05:41):
the people that you kind of, you know, you kind
of leave high school with and twenty years later you're like,
what are you doing? They're like, oh, the same thing,
Like oh okay, all right, So this.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Is some of them so good at creating the hateful
things that they create, though it's such good stuff. Some
of the material is really good. Even I want to
hate them, like I hate.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
The desert, Like that's not that good. It's just that
that was kind of a lay up.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
It's like the one during the season where like if
two quarterbacks have a bad game or something, there's the
gift that goes out of the two trash cans floating
down the street. It's like, hey, look at so and
so and so and so had on their way back
to the locker room. It's say, come on, man, like,
we're really like like nobody safe.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
There's literally nobody safe.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
It was very, very apparent on our texting yesterday that
I am the pessimist of our group.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
You know, I know you guys are super positive. So
I get it.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I get I get the hate, like I get having
the hate in your heart, like I understand it.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
But I don't know man, Like I'm more I'm.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
More hateful towards like situations and scenarios right Like I'm
the I'm the person that's like I hate the world
because I didn't make the roster.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I didn't make it right. But Q On the other hand,
Q is the guy.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It's like, you know what, I played well in high school,
made it to college, made it to college, got my
education there, made it to the Pros, and it just
didn't work out in the Pros. But you know what,
how many people get to to make it this far
and be in the locker room and you know, attend
the game.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I'm sitting there like, I'm not sure. You know what
I mean, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
That's exactly how I feel.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I mean, I'm just saying, you know, I feel like
you're you're the glass hand.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Can I be honest? The curtain. Someone gave us a
compliment yesterday, and LeVar responded like, let's say I have
two sisters, a mom and a wife, now three daughters.
Very much like they respond, whereas you're like, oh, that
dress looks beautiful on you, and they're like, oh, what
(07:49):
what I was wearing before does it? That's basically how
Var responded.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
So you say, in every other dress I wore before
today didn't I didn't look good.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
That's exactly how you responded to a guy who gave
us a compliment about our show, and you looked for that.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Wait a minute, what I said.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I was like, I was like, yeah, that's dope.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
What wait a minute, So we're have we been that Badang?
All right, now you got me, you realed me back in.
You realed me back in. I choose to stay on
the positive side of things. I was like, all right,
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, Like, dang, I really am the hater of the crew.
Like I immediately thought about the New York Jets. That
is the first thing that popped into my mind. I
was like, you know what, that's how they feel about
me and these New York Jets.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
It is what it is. Yeah, y'all would be.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Right, you're a hater. I don't feel like.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I'm hating them.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
No, I just I'm just a glass half fool with them.
I mean half empty, half that fool. I'm half empty
on them.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
Well, I mean if you leave Robert Salah, he's not
closing the door on his song it coming back.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Here's here's why. Much like, if you're the team right now,
then I start off with the glass half full, because
that's all you have to do at this point in
time the season. It's the Yeah, thirty two teams, anyone
could win it. Now. In my heart after experiencing the NFL,
I think, you know, there's like eight teams, probably eight
(09:17):
to ten franchises you feel like are legitimately trying to
win a Super Bowl. Most are just trying to run
a profitable business, and then the rest are just like
it might be like a cool toy the billionaire owner has.
But the reality is at the start of the season,
you can be optimistic because it's all out there for
(09:39):
you. You know, it's all there for you. It's once you
get into it about eight, nine, ten weeks where you
get an identity of that team, you're like, this is
probably not gonna work. You know, that's the time where
you can be a glass half empty.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Guy, I got you, And.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Then what do you do? You just got to wait
the whole last few weeks in the season and help.
Uh oh, yeah, you have to endure. Yeah, you're just
you're like you're dragging it along. You know, you're looking
for the social media videos that are bouncing, but you're
not finding those anymore. You know, those are gone. That's
not your algorithm anymore. It's just all depression and sadness,
and it's like, you know, sad little animals that need
(10:13):
to be adopted that aren't gonna get adopted and probably
gonna euthanize like it's just it's terrible stuff.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Yeah, but when you get the check every week or
every two weeks, however they do it like it's going
to make it feel a little bit better, Like, yeah,
we suck from.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Getting paid all you're talking about as a player? Yeah, no,
that that does it. You don't think about the money
at that point.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
You don't, You definitely don't.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
What else are you thinking about that if you suck,
at least you're paid, Like how you can get better,
what you can do to improve? I mean, you're trying
to find solutions. Man, You're doing all everything you can,
and you're just hoping and praying that when you are
outmatched it can be your day. You know, there's a
thing called that you know, money Carlo scenario, right, do
like ten thousand times, and that's usually how they do
(10:55):
with all these algorithms. You know which team is gonna
beat which team, and sometimes it could be as bad
as like an eighty twenty scenario, and you're just like
hoping that today is one of those days where it's
gonna be your twenty percent, Like you're gonna find a
way of up saying you find a way winning the game.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Well, listen, you know what you be thinking? Will you
be losing it? You got a whole lot of season left.
Whick can I eat? Where can I go?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Your ghost anywhere? You go out? Like, hey, man, what
the hell is wrong with y'all?
Speaker 5 (11:27):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
You're getting door dash?
Speaker 4 (11:31):
We didn't have door dash back.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
No, no, back. Then you're gonna spot that delivery.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
You had to find a spot for you even get
to that fast fool you be at burger kick, take
your order, Let me get.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
Done of that.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Get up to the window.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
You gotta find that Wait a second, you're gonna find
that hole the ball mom and pop shop Italian place,
you know where they've got like Enrico, Who's who's ordering it?
Speaker 8 (11:53):
You know?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Go ahead deliver the food for you.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
From certain people out to get soccer games on the team.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Now they walk. The problem is they're betting against you,
so I don't mind it. They're actually winning off of
your device. That's that's the thing is though gladly delivered
to you because they're like, yeah, keep it up, how.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Beat that one time?
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Man?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I had so many experiences with this beat at one
time where you going somewhere, You're like, all right, I
made it out like it didn't happen right on your
way out of you you leave it out. You think
you guys gonna do any better This week I was
at the door, Gottie right in the back.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Paying it's things.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
It stings the words when you thought you got away
with it too, Like I made it up out of here.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Man, are we done?
Speaker 4 (12:43):
What you mean? Are we done?
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Tag?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I had to do that my whole career. Man, we
was we was some trash my entire pro career. And
then I get to New York and I wasn't even
a good enough contributor to be happy about doing well.
Like it's like the success of the team. I'm like, dang,
we're a really good team. I'm not really doing anything
to make us any better. I didn't get to I
(13:08):
didn't get to be a part of good, but I
got used to figuring out how to be bad.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
It was like, man, you figure out different ways to
be positive about the bad.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
See that's that's that's the positive in that. I don't
look at it like that from a positive perspective. I
just looked at it more as like, well, you're learning,
you know, like you're you're figuring out different ways of
how you don't want to lose, you know, like you're like,
well that was unique, Like I'll never forget we lost
to Detroit on a last second hail mary. What they
(13:39):
call defensive pass interference. Now I've seen a lot of
hail mary's, I've never seen a defensive past interference called.
But of course it just so happened to be the case.
And so then there's an additional play. Of course, Stafford
goes in throws a touchdown pass and then I believe
I don't know if they kicked the pac whatever it was.
(14:00):
I stopped watching at that point. I was like, you
gotta be kidding me, Like, like, how many teams lose
on an end of game, no time left, hail mary?
That falls to the ground, But oh no, no, it's defensive
past interference, and then you got to come out and
deal with that. It's like, it's just it's a it's
a rarity, especially in the NFL, only because it's such
(14:21):
a huge advantage for the offense to throw it up
from wherever, and then now all of a sudden, you
get an additional untimed down from like the two. It's
like that dramatically changes or one, whatever it is, dramatically
changes how things are gonna work.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
That sucks, man, Oh yeah, that one hurts. That one sucks, man,
damn bad sucks. But you know what, somebody's got to
do it. For every Tom Brady, there's a LeVar Arrington.
Speaker 8 (14:46):
Man.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Come on, I'm telling you, there's gotta be an opposite
end of the spectrum. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to
look out of Tom Brady and admire him as much
as you do.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
You know, I just and some of us we we
we embrace it. You just got to.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Learn to embrace it. That might be why I'm such
a hater. That might be why I'm so negative. I
developed that. I wasn't always like this. I wasn't always
like this, guys. I was made this way. I was
born in the dark, you know I was that.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I lived there. I lived there. Oh, you only visit,
but I I was born here.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Well, why don't you if you want to feel better
about things, don't you go back onto the text chain
and look at the individual juggling Duffel bags on the water.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
That's a little bit.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I mean, I definitely will be playing some uh some
corn holders. I am back in college. I am in
the last building. Shots out to my Penn State Nitny lines.
I had him saying, we are Penn State on plane
over here. We almost didn't make it in because I'm crazy.
Did y'all see the crazy like thunderstorms, lightning storms taking
(15:54):
place in Chicago? Dang's crazy. Man almost didn't broth in here?
Really yeah? Crazy ruh. Then it was done. Just craziness
and that it was done.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah. So that's that summer, you know, summertime in west.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Man, good Man. I didn't think we was gonna make
it in, but we did.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Polly Foods Go Here with Tony Foods Go Yeah.
Speaker 9 (16:30):
As everybody knows, we're the hosts of the award winning.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Polly and Tony Foods co show.
Speaker 9 (16:33):
Yeah, but instead of us telling you how great we are,
here's how Dan Fackrick described us when he came on
our show.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Quick, knowledgeable and funny, opinionated.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
What you do interrupting our promo?
Speaker 7 (16:45):
Yeah, he wasn't talking about you.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
You took those clips totally of context.
Speaker 9 (16:50):
Oh yeah, well after this promo, I'm gonna take you
out and beat you.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Let me put this into context.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Shut up.
Speaker 9 (16:57):
Yeah, anyway, just listening to the Folly and Tony foodsco
Show on Radio Apple podcasts, Oh, wherever you get your podcasts?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Ye?
Speaker 6 (17:05):
So have you guys had a chance to watch or
see any clips of the sign stealing thing on documentary
or documentary doc Hunter, Stallions or Netflix?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Have you guys had a chance to see that or
any What do I think of it? I mean, it
seems like he's pulling a Jim Harbaugh. You know, he's
he's not gonna admit to any wrongdoing or vilify himself.
There's also this sense of and and maybe it's growing
up in Columbus, Ohio, just understanding the passion and the
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culture for your college football team. And obviously I grew
up in a place where you know, I grew up
a Buckeyes fan. I was a Notre Dame fan too.
I don't know that I was, you know, specific to
one team, right, like, when I was young, the first
position I ever played was wide receiver. So I love
Jerry Rice. You know, Jerry Rice when I was the
first I could remember, was the greatest football player of
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all time. So I loved Joe Montana. I love Jerry Rice.
And you know, I'll still never forget Cordell Stewart throwing
a hill married to Michael Westbrook to beat Michigan. Yeah.
And you know, my dad, who was from Colorado, and
us watching the game in our basement, and I was
jumping up and down. Is the coolest thing I'd ever
seen before in my life. And at that time, you know,
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it was like these gold helmets, man, that's sweet. And
then you started liking you know, notre Dame, the gold helmet.
It's just something about the allure of the gold helmet.
But you know, it wasn't like I was, you know,
seriously for one team or another. I mean, I grew
up right in the backyard for the Buckeyes. So in
watching this whole thing, it to me displays this sense
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of what I think happens a lot oftentimes around ann Arbor,
oftentimes around Columbus is you get people who are obsessed.
I mean absolutely obsessed, live and die by the way
Ohio State plays or Michigan plays, and it's hard sometimes.
And I know you're a PA guy, I know your
Penn State guide, and I'm sure there's a very you
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know people who are similar in that respect to there.
But like the Michigan Ohio State rivalry is what it
is because there is like and it seems so weird
that there'd be like hatred over a college football rivalry,
but it's true, man, Like I grew up in it
and experienced it from a fan perspective, you know, as
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a recruit being recruited by both schools, and just their
perspective on it, Like it is real, It is real.
And what the documentary showcase more than anything to me,
was how much this guy loved the University of Michigan
and if he couldn't help them as a player or
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as a coach, he was going to help them in
whatever capacity he felt, like what's possible to help them
win a national championship. So that that's what it speaks
to me more than anything else, is like this was
a die hard fan, like past the point of obsession
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to where like this was what his life was about,
Like his calling like you almost kind of felt that
and that was what was all on the line.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Let me ask you this is that is there a
place for that in sport? Like there's probably somebody that
feels like that about every.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Team that exists.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah, And like, isn't that it should not be the
type I mean, within the rules of course, should not
be the type of people you.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Hire to some degree, But I don't know that there's
people who are willing to put their name, their reputation,
their livelihood on the line like that, you know what
I'm saying, Like, I mean, we now know him, and
he's associated with you know, this whole sign stealing scandalous
you will, and to what lengths it goes, It's it's
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hard to necessarily put your finger on I mean, there's
points in time in the documentary. You know, he's like
it doesn't look like me. He's sitting on the sidelines
in central Michigan. And and then you've got people saying
how you know, They're like, no, you know, he didn't
do it. He wasn't there, he wasn't a part of it,
and port noory comes out and it's like, no, that
was HIMY told me. So I was like, well, great,
there you go, Dave like way to help out your
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Michigan brethren.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
And then Fortnoye said he was misquoted later that they
they edited that to make it sound like that's what
he was trying to say, but he wasn't implying.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
And and look, maybe that's the case, right because they
that's that's part of the problem with documentaries, are you know,
there's there's oftentimes a lot of tape that happens and
a lot of editing that happens because they have to
create the story. And at the end of the day,
like they need you to watch, they need you to
talk about it. They need you to look at Netflix
in this case and say their original content is better
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than anyone else's. They're Connor Stallion's documentary is gonna better
than anyone else's, Like that's part of their pitch. So right,
wrong or indifferent? I think no one looks at it
and says, oh, this is the absolute truth. Like Netflix
has this burden to prove one way or another. They're
just trying to put together a compelling documentary with interesting
stories and personalities that are involved. But anyway to your question, LeVar,
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I do think there are fans to some degree that
are like that for most things. But I do think
there's a line that they're not going to cross. And
obviously it didn't feel like there is any line that
Connor Stallions wasn't going to cross in the hopes of
getting or helping Michigan, which again I look at that
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in two ways. One and I have stated this publicly.
I know there's a lot of a Hot State fans
who feel like they've been wrong. They would shoot. First off,
you're not the only team in the Big Ten that
obviously they were doing this too. There's other teams that
are involved as well. The next thing I'd say is
a lot of people were doing it and we're doing
something similar. Careful for pointing the finger because you might
have some pointing back at you. And the last thing
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is is look when Connor Stallions and you know Michigan
was you know, kind of self punishing and and you
know the Big Ten obviously punished Harball towards the end
of the year. She wasn't involved in any of that stuff.
Like at some point last season, you got to take
your hat off and say that was just the National
Championship caliber team, Like I know a bunch of people
who said, like, whoa, look at the look at the
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games and their spreads and their covers and all this stuff.
And it's like, dude, stop using gambling as an indication
of that. Right, Like, you know, when Michigan wants to
turn on, they could turn on. They had a soft
schedule at the beginning of the season. They didn't need
to do as much as you know, to cover what
a forty points spread or whatever it was, thirty some
points spread versus ECU. Like, that's not in the back
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of Jim Harbaugh's mind at that point. And by the way,
he wasn't even on the field for that. He was
suspended for those few games. But but my I digress.
My point is is I look at it and just
go like, they still won the national championship. He wasn't
on the sidelines, he wasn't down there helping them prep
and all that. If anything, it was a distraction, like
they didn't have if they had an advantage, they didn't
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have it in the second half of last season. They
didn't have in the playoff and that led to them winning.
So you know, we can We're gonna make whatever we
want about what took place. The reality is. The documentary
is compelling only because I think it gives a lot
of people who don't grow up in that Ohio state
or Michigan culture a window into what it is like,
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like what it is like to grow up in that
And they kind of show the mom in the beginning
of the documentary like tackling him and and he almost
had this love for Michigan because of his mom loved Michigan,
and so there's like that kind of tale and story
to it. That to me, I'm kind of like, Yeah,
that's that's what it's like, man, that's part of the
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culture when you're from Ohio or you're from Michigan, Like,
that's that's how it works. You're kind of born into it.
Is he a hero? I think the Michigan fans in
some ways he is, you know, And I don't want
to speak for Michigan fans. Obviously I've got family members
who are Michigan lums, but I mean I would say
that I think people look at him and they say, like,
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I don't know if it's the exact definition of a
Michigan man, but they have this idea of what a Michigan,
A Michigan man is and I think, you know, he'd
be probably up there when.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
We talk about Barry Bonds and you know, should he
be a Hall of Fame or whatnot. I think we
all kind of feel the same that. Look, the reason
why we feel like he's the best ever is because
not only what he did after he started taking peds,
but how great of a player he was before he
did it. So we've seen them before and after. So yeah,
(25:44):
you can say, well it gave him a little bit
of help or whatnot, but we've seen what it was
like both versions, and both versions were.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Great little hit. Barry Bonds was a banger.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
And it's fantastic.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
And that's why people say, well, he probably didn't need
to take steroids, so he probably didn't.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Need to take Is it even confirmed that he did, No,
but you know, never been confirmed. Yeah, here's the problem
with you, Jonas is you always want everyone to be
on the game. Well, but then it becomes a little accusatory.
Sometimes well you just think everyone is.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
My point is though, with Connor stallions, like we saw
both versions of Michigan. We saw Michigan when they were
allegedly signed stealing, and then we saw them when they
were caught and everything was out in the open, and
they and everybody was going to do something about it,
and their coach was punished, and guess what happened. They
won every single game, Like they won every single game.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
They ran the table. And so this kind of.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Loses steam for me because I go, all right, so
maybe he was cutting corners or cheating, if you want
to call it that, but it's not like that was
what got them to where they got to. They still
had to go win big games down the stretch, and
they did so, and they did so compromise without their
head coach in a lot of those spots. So I
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just look at it and I go feels like a
fan base, if you're a high state, maybe you're upset,
and you're being upset should be directed towards the fact
that it's been like two thousand days since you beating.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Them, right well, And the other thing I think is
it discredits what JJ McCarthy has accomplished because it just
so happens to coincide if you look at who was
the start of the past two years is JJ McCarthy,
and go back through his high school career, you know,
go back through I mean, he's he's been a winner
wherever wherever he's been. That's the one thing when you
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get people who are around JJ McCarthy or people who
have evaluated him and talking why the Minnesota Vikings are
so high on him too, and that's why they draft
him in the first round, is they just they feel
like there's that it factor. There's those intangibles that you
look for, and a guy who you know, whether it's
being selfless, whether it's making a play when he needs
to or toughing it out, grinding it out. You know,
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they feel like he has those intangibles, and so it's
a discredit to him. I personally feel like too. You know,
when they moved on from Josh Gaddis and this is
no respected Josh Gattis, but there was somewhat of a
significant offensive improvement. You know, they made staff changes over
that period of time too, that made for a big change.
(28:10):
I've talked at length about Mike McDonald and just his
impact on that defense, and now that kind of started
a little bit too. Of that run of Michigan defense
is feeling like they were a top three, top five
defense every single year, and then it transferred over to
the Jesse Minner, who you know, rent very similar system
everything else kind of kept that intact and upheld that.
(28:32):
So you start looking through some of the staff change.
You started looking at like, well, wh who's playing quarterback?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Okay, J J. McCarthy, Oh yoh, that the guy who
went in the first round got you like it kind
of starts to add up to that, You're you're discrediting
what they actually did on the field, and forget the
sign stealing for a second. Like I've gone over this
with you guys before, they hadn't had a quarterback that
they recruited and got drafted that they recruited and got
drafted since Chad Henny. I mean, think about how long
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ago that was.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
I was like nine like that. It's a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
It's a hell of a long time. And so if
you look at like what's been one of the missing pieces,
that's one of the missing pieces. Like, if you want
to compete, you want to win a national championship in
college football, you better have a QB. I mean, if
we were talking Penn State standards, that's the you want
to be honest with the biggest questions this year, Andy
Kodlnecki is the offensive coordinator they brought in from Kansas.
(29:26):
He's creative, smart guy. He's gonna put Drew Aller in
a position to succeed. Now, whether or not Drew Aller
ends up being the right guy for the system, we're
gonna find out. It starts off here coming up this
this weekend. But if he's not bot Pribula, I think
is it also a very good fit.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I mean I've been I've been singing Drew Drew's praises
since he's got I have too.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Dude, he reminds me of a little big Ben. Yeah,
I believe.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I believe he will the maturity, I think some of
the setbacks that he's had, I mean, don't need to
go too deep into the breakdown or Drew, But I
hear what you're saying though, But they have.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
A shot, in my opinion, because of what I think.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
You're algy, Yes, yes, yeah, I mean you're you're But again.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I felt like anytime we had a good year here
at at Penn State, it was because we had a
quarterback that could play. And and I say that to say,
not not a first round draft pick quarterback, right, not
a not a franchise guy. So if we if if
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Drew turns out to be the guy I think he is,
and I call him the franchise. If he turns out
to be a franchise quarterback, I believe that the program
goes to another level. And and what it's it's possibilities
of achievement are and and that's to say, I mean,
with Tracey mc sorely, we won the Big Ten. You know, no,
you know that that's a whole nother debate that we
didn't get an opportunity to get into the playoff. But
(30:53):
and and that's you know, it's all debatable. I get it,
But that's not the case this year. Right, So going
into the scenario that you're going into now, it is
going to be I mean, it's interesting to watch college football,
it's interesting to watch pro football. Hell, it's interesting to
watch high school football. I've only won one championship in
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my entire career of playing ball. That was my freshman
year of high school. And it was because we had
a dope ass quarterback. Our quarterback was the dopest high
school football player to this day I've ever I've ever
seen with my own two eyes. And we won it all.
We went undefeated and that's the thing. If you have
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a guy at that position, you got a chance. And
that's ultimately that's how it gets defined. That's what it
comes down to. So you know, to look at what
Michigan was able to do. Back to the original point,
JJ McCarthy led that team in ways that he needed
to lead them. I think having a sense of when
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you need to to do what you need to do,
whether it be passing or even at times when he
ran the ball and pulled the ball down and.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Did what he needed to do with his legs, he
did it.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
You know, the backfield with Coram and those guys when
they needed to put the game on their shoulders and
on their back.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
I'm sorry, you could steal all the signs you.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Want to steal if you can't cut off the corner
or you can't stop them getting to the insides of
the tackles and getting upfield and chunking out yards and
where and chopping down the clock and getting and getting
points at the end of those those drives that they're
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just grinding it out on the ground.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
You can't sit there and tell me that stealing signs
is the reason why you couldn't stop those boys from running.
At some point in time. You got to set an edge,
you got to be able to get to him. The
guy was like, I mean, both of them, what's the
fact that's still there right now? Like both of them, they're.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Just so to me.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I take my hat off to how well Michigan played.
They came together. They played well early, but they came together.
It was them against the world. They rode it out,
and for what it's worth, they had the talent to
go along with it. I mean, you can't you can't
place a cheaters hat on that. You can't put an
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asterisk beside that team and what they were able to accomplish.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
I just don't see it that way.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 6 (33:47):
And it is a Wednesday, which means it's time for
one of the favorite traditions on this show for many
people out there, as we get a visit from our guy.
The old Pat was Papadakis, the co host of the
Petros and Money Show, which you can hear on the
Blowtorch and five seven e l a sports Fox college
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football analyst and our.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Good friend Pete. What's happening that good cigal.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Early in the morning?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
That's great?
Speaker 7 (34:18):
Yeah, and Lady Saw.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Yes, Lady Saw sound like Petra.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Lady Patra.
Speaker 7 (34:27):
Although famous in our day, LeVar nowhere near is impactful
dancehall world as a Lady Saw. The Lady Saw is
no longer Lady Saw. She she had, No, she's born again. Yeah, mother, mother, No,
she doesn't use saw at all anymore. She just goes
by her name Marion. I forget her last name. But anyway,
(34:51):
she's become Yeah, she's become born again and she still performs,
but mostly gospel. And she's had now that she got
rid of the slackness lyrics which are you know, sexual
lyrics and stuff like that. She does not Marion Hall,
that's her name. She can't get a visa anymore.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Oh wait, because Marion Hall, who does like that?
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I don't know what kind of music that is?
Speaker 7 (35:18):
What Marion Hall? Yeah, well there could be two, you know,
it's a big war then, but Marion Hall, Lady Saw
It really is probably the most famous female dance hall
performer of all time. No doubt used her on a song.
Steven Sagall used her on a song. A lot of
rappers have used her and stuff like.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Marion hill is who I was thinking of that.
Speaker 7 (35:45):
That is like a seven or eight yard out, like
over the head of the receiver.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Overthrow. That's the you know, hey, first series, first get
up there. That's that's the thing you say as a quarterback.
Petrooss do you ever hear the quarterback they used to go?
It's like, hope you can bring I think at last
moment and I'm very tired, puts pick up.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
He's you guys know what Patton goes.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Well, you guys do, but that the listeners, Patten go
is like a way to you know, warm up in football.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
The only way I got on the field after the
walk through.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
Uh, you do the thing where the quarterback pats the
ball and everybody just kind of runs, you know, a
little route quarterbacks arm warm up.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
If the dude threw it too far, I just stop
and turn around. I wouldn't even go get it.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Oh you were one of those guys.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
Oh if the dude was all juiced up and like
four string quarterback like Pat and go like it's like
all right, at Laser Show.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I remember remember when that soldier boy tell him or
whatever wherever that however, that song went yeah, yeah, yeah,
that song were there like the Superman all yeah, that song.
It's single handedly ruined the pattent Go line in Cleveland.
I'll never forget that's coming on. And not one skill player,
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not one paid attention to anything that was happening in
pat and Go and it would just started dancing and
doing the Superman or whatever that was, and I was like,
what is happening? Is this is this normal in the NFL?
Is how this goes?
Speaker 7 (37:16):
I had an epiphany like that at USC where there
was the John Robinson had there was this chick named
Jamie and she wore like a holster, like for guns,
but instead of the of a gun, instead of a
gun and the holster, it was the air horn, you know,
to blow the horn and the horn you know, in
practice it indicates that you know you're changing periods or
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if you get the three toots, practice is over and
everybody wants practice to be over. There's nothing football players
hate more than football practice. And I remember John Robinson
would go.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
And ye.
Speaker 7 (38:02):
And then the guy started doing like uh. They had
like a song which was Jake me blowing a horn
and Jamie and it was very distracting. He couldn't get
any work here at the end of practice.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
With the blow the horn chats wait hold lot of
that by the way, that John Robinson might be up
there with one of your best ever.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Oh yeah, my j rob is probably my best.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
But you know, not as significant as a coach anymore
as he used to be. But yeah, John Robinson, and
he really used to like point at her like almost
like very cinematically. And I might have seen Jamie doing
more than blowing a horn once.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
In the dam and I was I was shocked.
Speaker 7 (38:46):
I was absolutely young, a young, impressional white tail back,
and I was shot.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
We got some sound for you. I know. I'm sure
Jonas was going to do it.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
No, I baby, Q was going. I didn't want to
piss you off. P I just want to for the record.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
This is my idea.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
We've been teasing this, sorry to Petros, and I just
want to I want us to have enough time for
you to discuss.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
It and talk about it.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
It's close.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
It's close.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Oh I wish it was I close. I saw that
clip Petros, and I almost called you that was I
was just look, I.
Speaker 7 (39:24):
Had like a thousand plus people there, and Jeanie's sitting there,
and then you know, Jemmie's like a baby seal, like
she's not that comfortable being interviewed, but she does our
show once a year because we go way way back,
and doesn't care about the criticism and she knows about it.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
And you guys are close to j Moore, so like
all makes sense.
Speaker 7 (39:41):
I don't know jaymore that well, but but there might
be some other people involved in the show that do.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (39:48):
But she uh we mentioned Brownie James like early and
and and.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
People were like oh, like people were booing. I was like.
Speaker 7 (39:59):
Doing, we can get through the next seven minutes of
this interview and get this woman on her way. Uh,
but go ahead and play the sound.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Okay, we want it because it this has to do
with Bronnie, but kind of sort of indirectly because it's
lebron talking about Go ahead right now, you let it go.
Speaker 8 (40:17):
You cannot call me Dad in the workplace, all right.
Once we once we leave out of the private facility
and the gates close, I could be Dad.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
Again in the car.
Speaker 8 (40:26):
If we ride together at home, I could be Dad. No,
he gotta call me like two three or Bron okay
or you know, go if he wants to, that's.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
Up to him. I mean, I just would you ever
call him Goat?
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Would you call him Goat James?
Speaker 7 (40:47):
No?
Speaker 5 (40:48):
I you know, I'm from a different air.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
I still think Michael Jordan's the greatest basketball player of
all time.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
But it can't be.
Speaker 7 (40:56):
It can't be denied that Lebron James is not maybe
the most significant athlete of his generation, without a doubt,
probably is unless you factor in all the soccer stuff.
He really is a marvel. He's gonna be forty and
he's still performing at a great level. What it takes
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to run the Lebron James industry, the way they fire people,
move people around, deny it all, manipulate the media. That
kind of stuff is unsavory to me, and I'm never
going to be cool with it. But you can't deny
his greatness as an athlete.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
I mean, he's.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Really He certainly wasn't denying it in that story.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
No, well, he never Well when he said what was it?
Speaker 7 (41:41):
He said that the block on the Voyeurs made him
the greatest player of all time?
Speaker 5 (41:46):
Yeah, yeah, From that.
Speaker 7 (41:47):
Moment on he's been a full on self propagandist, which
is whatever. That's fine. I mean, I guess it's fine.
I mean, Genie Buss said it to us. She considers
him a bargain. They make a lot of money off
Lebron James, whether that means wins and losses, I mean,
they don't compete for championships, which is what the Lakers
people thought that.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
That's what the Lakers were all about.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Petros Petros in season, in season champs last year.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
So you're right, sorry they raised that manner.
Speaker 7 (42:16):
But I mean, honestly, guys, it's we got a game
this week, you know.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
I mean, but I'm worried about it.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
So you're not You're not bothered by two three or
Bron or goat.
Speaker 7 (42:26):
Well, we're in the two three week comfort zone of
Genie Bus came on the show. So I'm being nice
for a couple of weeks. It's a cycle, guys, It's
been going on for like decades. I'm not I'm not
as offended by it. Look, the whole thing's going to
be insufferable. The thing was inside you knew it was
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going to be insufferable and hard to swallow. When they
picked the kid, you knew it was going to be
a gas lighting anthem. That's and so we're just we're
right on track for that. Can't wait for media day.
Speaker 6 (43:03):
I'm curious because we've talked about there not being a
preseason in college football. When you were playing, did you
ever felt like feel like you were ready to go
week one? Or was it like, yeah, help, this goes
well well.
Speaker 7 (43:16):
The camps we used to have were so horrible and
so intense and so without regulation and rules that by
the time week one came, you were ready to rip
the head off your opponents, swinging around like a hammer,
throw into the stands. That being said, you would worry
about losing steam, you know, mid October, and that's usually
(43:40):
what would happen to some of our teams when I
played for Paul Hackett, because we would literally have three
days and forty play run drills and just absolute death
march of a camp, and you'd come out in week
one and just physically eat somebody alive because you're so
pissed off. But then maybe your team's to run out
(44:00):
of gas and injuries catch up. It's not a perfect balance,
but football is so much preparation so much installment, so
much glacial pace in the offseason to get ready just
for one game. So yeah, you feel ready, I mean,
and if you're not, you don't even know the difference,
(44:21):
because you think you're ready, You think your team is awesome,
you think everybody's in great shape, you think everybody's ready
to go. Whether that's the case or not, it's hard
to say. Sometimes you get out on the field and
you know two or three guys are that used to
be standing right next to you are now laying down
like Private Ryan, and.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
You're like, oh my god. Yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 7 (44:44):
You always feel you always feel really anxious to play
the first game because you're tired of playing against your
own guys. You're tired of rooting against your defense, rooting
against your offense so to speak, in practice, and really
really having a deep hatred for those people.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Is there a party that feels like, I mean, when
you watch the NFL preseason and go, it would be
nice to have like a warm up or something. And
do you look at the college football schedule and do
you just give you know, teams like, for example, Penn
State and West Virginia we're going to be there this weekend.
Do you give them more credit for scheduling a more
difficult Week one right out the game.
Speaker 7 (45:22):
Always do because that's what makes Week one exciting. Like
I have Arizona State Wyoming, which is kind of an
afterthought of a game, but Wyoming won won No, they
won nine games last year and Arizona State lost nine,
and of course they're reloaded and deeper. And I think
Kenny Dillingham's a really, really interesting and impactful name in
(45:43):
college football, and he's got some tough circumstances there. But
I like that game because it feels like it's going
to be competitive, right. I mean, when somebody throws out
Abilene Christian in Week one, everybody's just going through the
motions to stroke the other team in the broadcast, and
it's a celebration of them in a showcase. I'd much
rather see youself yourself tested in Week one. LSU USC
(46:07):
is going to be interesting.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
You know.
Speaker 7 (46:08):
In West Virginia is a much improved team with a
speedy quarterback and green and a coach that saved his
job Neil Brown last year took over the play calling.
Speaker 5 (46:19):
So I like that. I prefer that.
Speaker 7 (46:23):
That was generally what happened when I was at USC,
we played Penn State or Purdue or somebody like that
in the opener. Very rarely a team that we were,
you know, favored to win by thirty or something like that.
To me, that's a little bit better because it gives
you a measuring stick. But and with the new playoff,
(46:45):
I don't think anybody really knows how it's going to
shake out.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
That's the thing.
Speaker 7 (46:49):
Everybody's acting like they have it all figured out this
year and they know what it's going to be like,
But nobody really knows what it's going to be like
at all, because we've never done anything like this before,
not to this magnitude.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Your squad can beat LSU, that's a big win. If
they can get out to gate NB.
Speaker 7 (47:05):
I mean, yeah, yeah, I'm not in this realm where
it's like, oh my god, USC screwed. You know, they
have a new defensive staff. I'm very interested to see
if USC wins that game.
Speaker 5 (47:16):
It's not going to.
Speaker 7 (47:16):
Be because they scored fifty points, although if they do
they might win. I think if they win the game,
guessing about the team, it'll be because they're much improved
physically upfront. You can't just run the ball all over them,
like you've been able to the last decade or so,
since two thousand and six two thousand and eight, USC
(47:37):
has been really susceptible to that. So if LSU, I mean,
and LSU's given up what like two thousand yards rushing
the last couple of years, they haven't stopped the run
very well, either's not optimistic. I don't know. I don't
but that's the thing that's like, I don't know at all.
I mean, LSU's got a lot of different guys, but
most people just say it's an SEC team. USC is soft,
(48:01):
they've been saw.
Speaker 5 (48:02):
And LSU is going to run over them. That's what
I mean. That's what you said.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
That happens, though, what will your reaction be?
Speaker 5 (48:09):
Not surprised?
Speaker 7 (48:12):
But like if somebody's going to run the football on you,
they're going to do it in week three, or they're
going to do it in week one, Like, let's figure
it out, right us.
Speaker 5 (48:21):
He's got an all new defensive staff.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Agay, you guys are in a different conference. Well, yeah,
you know what I'm saying, run that they run.
Speaker 5 (48:31):
I understand.
Speaker 7 (48:32):
What I'm saying is if USC is going to be
giving up a lot of run running yards, this year,
it's either going to happen in week one, week five,
week eight. You should know what your susceptibility is early.
And they've hired all new people to stop that kind
of bleeding, so we'll know. I don't know. I mean,
(48:52):
I really don't know. I mean last year they just
weren't big enough and obviously didn't have a great defensive scheme.
They had to fire everybody, Lincoln Riley's best friends. Yeah,
and Miller Moss is going to be the starter, and
Lincoln Riley's going to be calling place with more of
a Baker Mayfield type of guy or not as much
(49:12):
of an improvisational quarterback, I should say. Uh, so that'll
be very different and maybe a little bit more consistent
for the offense. But as far as having a real
gauge on what's going to happen in the game, I
don't think us he's going to get blown off the field.
But then again, Brian Kelly, I mean, what does he
won nine to ten games is last two years?
Speaker 4 (49:34):
Family ain't done winning.
Speaker 7 (49:36):
You Yeah, and yet though he has adopted quite a southern.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
Uh uh, that's right, they got some games left in
them that they need still win.
Speaker 4 (49:47):
Him and his family.
Speaker 7 (49:48):
Is he the winning most winning coach in the history
of Notre Dame?
Speaker 2 (49:51):
He is, he has more wins.
Speaker 7 (49:53):
I can't believe they let him beat a new Rockney's
record before that they fired him.
Speaker 5 (50:01):
Would that's what Holtz?
Speaker 4 (50:05):
Then they didn't get rid of it.
Speaker 7 (50:07):
But I thought they would get rid of him before.
I mean, I thought that that record. They were never
going to let a coach eclipse that record. But they
let Brian Kelly eclipse in and then he left him
at the altar.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Well, that's one way of putting it. I mean, I
think there's a lot more details behind the story. It's
actually funny, you know, that Lincoln Riley effect is ultimately
how it all came around. It was LSU who was
originally looking at Lincoln Riley, right, That's how once and
once that fell through, the USC position came open, and
USC was maybe inquiring about Brian Kelly's interest about coming
(50:42):
out to be head coach, and he wasn't going to
do that. But once Lincoln Riley it was interested in USC,
and LSU was looking for a head coach and then
opened up the opportunity for I don't know, maybe they're
both wrapped by the same agent, and maybe it both
kind of worked out where Lincoln Riley was the USC
and Brian Kelly goes to l s U.
Speaker 7 (51:02):
Yeah, but before that, I mean, it just shocks me
that they ever let him get that far. I never
I never was winning ten times. I never thought Notre
Dame would let a guy beat that record. I always
thought that they'd find a way to retire him or
get rid of him.
Speaker 5 (51:18):
I'm not kidding to me.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
He'd been into a national championship game and then two
college football players, I'm.
Speaker 7 (51:24):
Just playing some drugs in his car figure out, you
know what I mean. I literally thought, I literally thought
that they would find like they they'd put him in,
They'd dip him in a lake, you know, or something.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
Get a trash bag full of methods. Look like the
dairy queen when you get the soft.
Speaker 7 (51:43):
Rockney was like a national hero as a football coach.
Speaker 5 (51:46):
I mean, try to explain to people.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
People don't understand he literally built the stadium there. He
was poor, he was poor general contractor. Like people don't
understand that their lengths of the house. That Rockney Bill
was not really about the success that he had on
the field. It literally had to do with his vision
for creating a football only stadium, which was not the
norm back then. That's why you always had those tracks
(52:10):
around the football stadium was because usually it was a
shared space. And his vision was to make football have
a venue like that where people would come, and he
built it.
Speaker 7 (52:20):
Now Kansas had a track up until a couple of
years ago. But yeah, Newt Rockney's legend and legacy and
the myth.
Speaker 5 (52:29):
Of it all.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
He had the Horsemen, didn't he did the Horseman, the
four Horsemen.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
Yeah, where they coached by him.
Speaker 7 (52:39):
I thought, he it's quite possible. I know mister inside
and mister Outside were army.
Speaker 5 (52:43):
I know that. But but Newt Rockney had like.
Speaker 7 (52:48):
Radio shows about him, like TV specials about his life,
like you can't imagine, like Nick Saban stardom is a
flickering night light compared to the way people used to
look at Newt Rockney in the way Notre Dame revers him.
And I was just surprised they'd ever let anybody beat
that record. And then Brian Kelly beat that record, and
(53:10):
some shisty agent helped him get down to Cajun country
like Southern Comfort, that.
Speaker 6 (53:14):
Movie Petros, You're on Wyoming Arizona State this weekend.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Correct, I am ten FS one by the way. Yeah,
they were the horsemen.
Speaker 4 (53:24):
Yeah, they were go go go finish the plug.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Well no, just ten thirty Eastern Times Revelation, you know,
the horsemen of the Apotmas. No, jeez, I think that
was the opening ceremony for the Olympics. Yeah. Ah, what
I mean? Too much? Too many times?
Speaker 5 (53:41):
And berries out there for you.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Where are you going with those belt berries? Uh no,
just let everybody know.
Speaker 6 (53:48):
Ten thirty Eastern Times, seven thirty Pacific FS one on Saturday, Wyoming,
Chris Myers state.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 5 (53:56):
I could because I care.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Tell me about Sigale here. What's he looking for? A yeah,
what is he looking for?
Speaker 4 (54:08):
He's looking for to wind. Yes, and he wanted them
to wind it.
Speaker 6 (54:12):
Of course he is, uh petro, So we appreciate it again.
At the old p on x is where you can
find him. And yes, he'll be on the call. Wyoming,
Arizona State, ten thirty Eastern Times, Saturday night on FS
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