September 1, 2022 • 42 mins
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It is the best of two pros and a couple
of show with Lamar Areas and Rady Quinn and Jos
Knocks on Fox Radio. What's not fun is if you're
one of these players in the NFL and you are
getting cut or you're getting released by some of these teams.
Although if you are one of those players, you were
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probably signed yesterday by the Chicago Bears, who made six signings,
six waiver deals to to make things happen, which seems
like maybe not a great sign for for where the
Bears are aheaded, the fact that they were this active
following cut days, but a lot of players and maybe
even some surprising ones. Kelvin Mund included that they are
no longer with their teams that have drafted them pretty recently,
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so kind of a wild time. It has been weird.
I mean, LaVar, I don't know if you feel this way,
but I feel like there's like more guys teams are
moving off a runway, like like a new regime isn't
even giving them a shot, Like they basically just get there.
They're like, yeah, you don't really fit, We're gonna We're
gonna move on. I mean, honestly, like think about all
the Raiders cuts the Vikings if you go if you
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go back, like the Vikings kind of got off the
hook for how many cuts they had. Go back and
look at their draft class for just a year ago.
I think it kept like three or four guys like
the rest are all cut, and they had a decent
sized draft class. So it's it is odd like how
fast teams are just moving on, which I mean, look
at people on the outside probably listening to don't care
about this, but you do have about almost a thousand
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guys who are now jobless and looking for the opportunity
to play in the NFL. And it's tough because put
yourself in their shoes for a second. Imagine you get
out of college, you trained for this your entire life,
you get an opportunity and in fact, like the team
selects you, and then a year later they're like, yeah,
we've got some new management. Um, we don't they know
you that well, but you know, look you probably don't
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fit what we do. We're just gonna move on. It's
like you don't even get a chance really to prove yourself.
So it's it's it's tough, I think, to be able
to deal with the fact of just the change and
some time some of these guys even necessarily do anything bad,
they're just not the right fifth for the scheme for
what that team is looking for, wrong place, the wrong time.
It's showing. Uh, six of the eleven players the Vikings
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drafted in one got cut. So like this week they
just said, yeah, well we're we're good here. I mean,
here's here's the part that's interesting about it. And yeah,
people probably look at it and go, don't care. Well, listen,
I mean those guys got cut. I mean they've made it.
You know, they've got an opportunity and if they do
get signed somewhere, they're going to make a good amount
of money. If this happened in any other industry or
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any other business where you're just getting clipped this quick
into it, you look around, going the hell is that?
Like it feels like there's there's no real grace period
for a lot of these guys and they get into
the league neither you can figure it out, or if
we're not a believer in you, you're gonna end up
somewhere else. Like the kellyn Mon situation is weird. I
didn't realize that he was struggling that bad. But I
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also don't think that he was in the best situation
being Mike Zimmer who aired him out and had nothing
but you know, negative things to say about him last year.
Now Zimmer's gone, and it's like he gets labeled and
painted as something else, and so now he moves on.
Josh Rosen is another example. It just feels like a
lot of these guys, unless you have a believer in
you from the get go, you're just gonna be battling
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up hill to try and get a job. Well, it's
a it's a job. It's it's a job description that
you know coming in. It's all based upon production and
and if you're not producing, then you you just got
to take a good, long, hard look at at the
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situation as a player and also as a staff, because
the idea of it is is it's like the trickle
down effect. If the general manager doesn't choose the right
players or the right coach and they're losing, then the
general manager is going to lose their job, you know,
or or he'll just blame them and then he hires
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a whole new staff and then after that staff doesn't
work out, then maybe he gets fired. Yeah. But but
again like just the idea of like how how it
all works, Like the owners aren't getting fired, so the
owners want their their results. So in the end, who's
going like why do you have to produce the GMS
have to produce a staff that's going to bring in
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good players. Uh, he has to produce a good coach
that's going to develop those players. And and when if
that doesn't happen, they're going to replace that that GM
if the coach doesn't develop those players and give strong
feedback or bring in his staff of guys that are
going to help with with you know, scouting and who
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you're going to go out there and you're going to draft,
or who you're gonna bring in for uh free agencies
or possible trade scenarios. Then you know you're you're already
behind the eight ball if you don't I get that.
But what's the HI table then, yeah, well I think
it's changing. It used to be they give you about
two three years, you know, maybe a little longer, you know,
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for you know, the threshold might have been five years
back in the day. You know, today's NFL it is microwave.
It is microwave success. So I mean you might get
one year. Generally speaking, you might get one year to
show that you belong to be a coach. You know,
four teams? Is it because the coaching turnover? And it
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is that trickled down effect because every offseason, what is
there six or seven coaches that are getting clipped? Which
is what of coaches that in the league that are
looking for jobs the next season. If that's the case,
they're probably looking around going I'm under the gun. I
gotta start making some moves here. And I just wonder
if it's a volatile, turbulent industry though, and and if
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people really took the time to take a step back
and look at how volatile and how turbulent it is.
I mean, families are having to adjust every year. Coaches
are heading towards different cities every year. Players are heading
towards different cities every every season, sometimes more than once
during the course of a season. So it's a turbulent job,
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Like that's what you've signed up for. So I don't
I don't think that people should look at it and
feel sorry for those who It's a production job and
it is unique from a lot of other industries that
that you would go into performingly. It's not it's not
from a lot, it's from all of them. I mean,
I think about a third of your workforce, if not
closer to a half gone. I mean, by the way,
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you just got your job in April, like like we're
now sitting here with September one today, so you've got
five months to prove yourself or you're gone. And there's
not many there's not many careers I would say almost
probably all that that don't give you least six months.
I mean, you're talking about some cases guys who when
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we talk about like development or time to showcase or produce,
what are you producing in that five it's not like
I think the biggest issue with today's NFL is a
lot of these younger players don't get developed because of
the coaching turnover. These coaches are more concerned with their
job security and making sure they have the best players
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possible to go out there and win, and not development
or not what the team looks like at the end
of the season, because they don't know if they'll make
it through this season. So they're just worried about, hey,
we gotta go out there and win. Because when I started,
no what he's doing, does my backup have an idea
of what he's gotta do? Okay, anyone else, don't give
a crap. I'll figure that out, you know, the next
week and whatever issue we got that It is like
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a you know, a need basis. And that's the tough
part is I don't know many other careers where you know,
you're kind of bored into this volatility and just everything
else that comes with it. And it's different, Like it's
hard to assimilate to the rest of society because when
you get a job like you shually you're getting on
board and you're getting trained there, like teaching, it's a
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lot slower process. In some cases, it's hard to get
fired like like like like they're not going to like.
That was one of my biggest issues transition out of
the NFL. Is you would go do something, for example,
and broadcasting on TV, someone would forget to run something,
or they'd run the wrong tape where you're on live
TV and they're showing you something that's not what you
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asked for or now what you're prepared for the production meeting,
And I've been thinking to my head like dang, dude,
like this person would get fired if they were playing
in the NFL. But but but a TV, they're just like, oh,
that's just Steve. Steve does that from time to time
and you're like, what, what a great guy like Steve's awesome,
He's so funny night. But I mean, it wasn't prepared
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for a second. No, I do have to ask this
question cause I saw this like circulating during social media yesterday.
I was like, oh, here we go. But it is
an interesting topic. So so there's some guys who that'll
be it. They got signed after the draft as an
undrafted free agent or maybe even drafted, and they don't
catch on anywhere else, not even a practice squad right,
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which those rules, by the way, have changed, Like you've
got dudes have been in the NFL and active rosters
for like five years or now practicald eligible somehow, I
have no idea how what what the how they changed
the rule to make that happen. But anyway, do you
guys count that as them being a part of an
NFL team that they make a practice swide? Yeah, Like
there's some of those guys who are using as part
of their dating profile. No, no no, no, not made a
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practice squad, just getting signed for like that period of
time the summer to training camp and then that's it. Man,
I knew LaVar is gonna come out hard on him. Yeah, well,
I mean that's just the truth. Well look, I mean,
if that's the case, and brock Lesner was a former
NFL player because he was in the Vikings training camp
and made it all the way in to final cuts,
and I don't know that anybody has ever as great
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as his resume is. I don't know anybody's ever said
that you have to you have. I mean, you don't
get credit towards towards your pension for that, no, but
we're talking about on your tender profile. Would use if
if I'm if I'm going in to work every day
and I'm I'm even if I'm collecting minimum wage to
be a part of the practice team. I am a
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part of the team. I just I'm just not a
part of the active ross. I would also take the
lie this much further. I would change anybody that contact like,
say you remember the Tampa Bay Box anybody Like if
if I had a guy, a buddy of mine who
I spoke to regularly, UM and he would contact and
communicate with me regularly, I would change his name on
my phone to Tom Brady to make it seem like
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Tom Brady was still reaching out to me even though
I wasn't a member of the team. I mean, if
you're gonna go all out on this lie, let me
let me put it this way, to even play college
football at a high level, you're still like like a small,
small percentage, and then just even side with the team,
it's still a small percentage. So I could see statistically
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why you can make the case for those people, because
it's not like everyone who just finishes playing football and
college goes on it gets a chance at the NFL. Like,
think about that for a second. You still are only
a fraction of what actually graduates or their eligibility expires,
has a shot. So I'm not condemning them either way.
I think you'll use what you can. We all know
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you're living a lot. But I was gonna say there's
a lot of people who are living a lie, though,
I mean I trust me, like like like if that's
if that's where we're gonna draw the line. It's like
that there's a lot of people, sweetheart, But what like
we've we've just saw the whole story, Like how does
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that relate here? Well, I'm just saying, you know, there's
a lot of people living a lie, and that's that, right.
There was a lot trying to atone for that now.
I mean honestly, I think if you if you felt
anything from that, you feel bad, not love for Hawaii.
Hold On, Jonas would have been catfish and he would
have easily played on talking about the other than I. Yeah,
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I'm not talking about I'm not talking about man Titan.
I'm talking about Ranya, the liar and the whole story,
who didn't want to take accountability for for basically any
of it and just said, well, you know, but it
was all me, Yeah, it was all me. It just
you know, yeah, just you know, the different sex and
you know the picture. So much better about myself now though,
knowing that I I set things, you know, right, so
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that you know, I could move on with my life.
You know what a scumbag it does, a scumbag move
But yeah, I mean, if you are it's true, there's
other words for we don't. It's a spoiler alert. A
lot of people still haven't seen the story, but there
is some things that have changed. Yeah, just all of
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a sudden, you know, things have changed. But I mean, yeah,
if you're gonna go through with it and you're gonna
claim that you're an NFL player but you never actually
technically made a practice squad or anything like that, I
think you've got to really elaborate practicing and you're in
the locker room and you're lifting their weights and you
are playing in preseason games, you get you get a
little Yeah, I'm saying you don't make you don't make
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the final cut. That's it. It counts account it counts,
it counts in. I'm not gonna shame them. If it's
on their profile, then I like look him up and like,
wait a second, well no, not even that they're not
on a team. If they just say former NFL player
and it was only for that period of time, I'd
be like, yeah, that's fine. I mean, I don't care,
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you know, if that's what he's doing to kind of
And there's there's some experiences I think people take from
that five month period. Probably Okay, let me ask you this,
what percentage if you had to guess of all your
college teammates, what percentage made the NFL and made an
active roster of your entire college career? At all. I
mean just like like a ballpark figure, what do you
think it is? You would not just a ball less
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scholarship players for every four years? Right, so you're talking
about roughly what is that thirty you know, three players
or whatever. And I guess you've got something that you're
you're going with in your class. But let's see, let's
say you got three hundred guys. I would say you
probably are talking about I don't know. I mean we
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we don't have a lot of guys drafted. We did,
we did, years might be different, Yeah, we did, Like
from like my first year there, I was with guys
like Joe Jarre Vicious, Curtis Zenus, you know, I mean
our offensive line. You know, we had a few guys
go from our offensive line. We had uh Brad Skioli,
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Uh uh Jim Nelson, Uh, Aaron Collins. But are we
talking like less of all your teammates. Yeah, that's what
I might say, less than five. It would be a
better it would be a better comparable two starters versus
the entire rock. But like making but they think this,
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you know makes your point even better? Is that making
any like getting past the high school level and getting
an opportunity, and first of you're a scholarship player, and
then even if you're not a scholarship player, for a
lot of guys that this is something that maybe people
may not take into consideration. College ball being able to play,
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especially major college ball, that is the pinnacle. But your
understanding of it is what I'm saying. You're understanding that
this is it. I probably won't even touch the field
like a Matt rule, you know, And then a Matt
rule ends up being able to play special teams or
they get garbage duty and games. That's the you know,
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I mean for him, he ended up having a great
coaching career, but you're not going to see them make
it into the league, you know what I mean. So
most more often than not. So if you look at
starters on teams, you know, or even the backup, the
second in line at these major schools, it would probably
be a better comparison in terms of what is the
percentage because as some of these schools, the percentage is
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super high in terms of the guys that play. So
you have guys that come into college that play, and
then you have guys that are they're they're going to
be scout team guys. They're going to be special team guys,
you know, and that's that's just what their role is.
And that that's why I still like watching preseason football
because I watch it and go, do you understand how
much better these guys are than the average person that's
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ever play. I play, don't even have a chance to make,
not even I played in school for I was awful.
These guys are so much better than everybody that's watching
or criticizing him or saying, oh god, get rid of
the preseason It doesn't matter, it doesn't you know. I
mean you got rid of one game, just get rid
of all of it. No, No, Like there is a
level of play that I still think people have a
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hard time like being able to reason with and being
able to relate to when it comes to the quality
of player in the NFL. And that's why the term
bust some of the criticism I hear. I don't get it.
I really don't understand it. Like, do you know how
hard it is to even make a college scholarship level,
let alone make it to the NFL, even on the
preseason level. So yeah, I go with a lie. You know,
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say you played in the NFL, why not just go
with it. I think they've earned it. They've earned that right.
Something wrong, I'll give it to home. I'll give it
especially if it helps them off the field totally and
it can help. I've seen it really really benefit trust
me because that because because here's the thing is, guys
will get blamed for like saying chauvinistic things like well,
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I want to find you know, a woman who I
feel like, you know, I can you know, make some
big kids with so you get were tall and athletic
as man. Women are doing the same exact thing. My
wife is five one, and she told me, she's like, yeah,
of course, like you're tall. She's like one of my
kids to be taller and one of my kids be
short all the stuff. And I was like, I mean
like they think the exact same way. They just don't
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get in trouble for saying it. Yeah, I gotta be honest.
And it worked because all my kids look like they
got the perfective Professor x Xavier School of Mutants. It worked.
That's called three. Yeah it is, Uh, you're stud out
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like a triple crown winner. Yeah. My father God rested,
so he patted me on my shoulders, felt my arms,
and he was like, yeah, you're good, You're a good man.
We'll take this one. We'll take this one. We get
this wrapped and ready together. Oh. Be sure to catch
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Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Speaking of pros,
how about Albert Prier, senior NFL reporter mm QB at
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Alber Prier on Twitter, A guy who loves his college football.
And I'm hoping we can keep things calm here this morning.
I know it's a little bit early in the trash,
let's go. I mean, look, you know Ohio State alum,
he's got Notre Dame this weekend. I'm just hoping we
don't have any issues here, That's what I'm hoping. Yeah. Well,
I I will say I agree with you guys, like
I hate the pro football snob who acts like he
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can't be lowered to watch college football, Like I cannot
stand that, Like you know, like it's and it's usually
some guy who never played football at any level, you
know what I mean. Like, but it's like it's it's
that guy who says like I can't like I can't
even watch I can't even be I can't even be
like lower to watch that sort of stuff. So because
I agree with you guys, like I think the atmosphere
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is better, the you know, like just it the excitement
about it, like and I think some of thettle bit
like is not knowing like how like say like Ohio
State matches up with Alabama matches up with USC in
any given year, you know what I mean, Like that
sort of thing about it. I think it's cool. Even
the talent gap, I mean makes for more big, big plays,
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makes for better highlights sometimes, like NFL is great. I
love the NFL, but the college experience, like there's just
something so different about a college football Saturday. Like I
don't think there's anything more American than the college football Saturday.
I hear you on that. And plus like the upsets too, right,
like that's that's like the upsets are that much bigger.
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Well I don't even know if that's that big of
an upset, the points big, but I mean, well, if
we're gonna get into it, I mean, what was Oregon
last year? There were two touchdown underdog. They came in there. Yeah,
I'm just saying, like it's been impossible to go win.
Didn't Oklahoma go in there and make down an artificial turf?
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Qun that was the left to the body? Come on,
come on, here's the thing. I'll put it this way.
I spoke to someone who's in the know last night.
There's some concern. There's concerned for the side. They're unconcerned
about the overall physicality Albert Oh, well, all the last
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eight months like getting them. So I think they know
that people think they're soft. I'll put it that way.
And I for my understanding is they were in pads
a lot over the last four or five weeks, and
the whole off season has been sort of I think
to address what happened against Oregon, to address what happens
against happened against Michigan. So it'll be in I say.
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I say this with all sincerity, with all sincerity, like
I do think the other day is a good test.
When it comes to that. Good tests so so not
not really like uh not really like a you know,
training competitor or that you feel threatened. Just a good test,
early test. It's just an early test. Yeah, yeah, not
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a test, so just above a toun. I mean you
no at all terrible next week if this doesn't go
my way, not at all. I mean well, I mean
I think there's a lot of people who are going
to probably get at you a little bit or Buckeye Nation,
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but um, that's that's the thing is, I think that
people are questioning the toughness whether or not there finessed
team under Ryan Day. You know, it's funny when when
there was a transition from Chip Kelly at Oregon to
Mark Helfridge, people forget Mark Helfridge took Oregon to a
national championship, Like people tend to forget that, But there
was this stigma then that, oh they were finessed, they
were soft, like they would never be able to compete
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with the with the big boys. And I think last
year was the first time where it kind of got
exposed little bit obviously versus Michigan. But if you really
looked at it, last year outside of like the Rutgers
game and a few others, were like those teams weren't
to be able to run on anyone. You go, yeah,
they were actually really bad run defense. So we'll see,
we'll see what Jim Knowles as improved what he's done,
but probably felt at some point that's why you pay
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a seven That's why based seven figures for a new
defensive coordinator because of what happened the last couple of years.
It wasn't just last year either, it was the year before.
I mean, like what Alabama did to them in the
championship game. Like, yeah, there's no question m Albert. As
we transition over to the NFL, what the hell happened
in San Francisco at Jimmy Garoppolo? How did this same
thing end up the way that it did? And what
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what are you hearing from people you talk to? Yeah,
I mean I think I think it really starts with
the Niners being a being surprised that they couldn't offload
Jimmy Garoppolo. Obviously the UM the shoulder surgery complicated things
over the last six seven months, UM and it made
it so like at the point when you'd normally move
up later like that, they weren't able to move them.
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And you know, I think they sincerely thought like at
some point in August somebody would get desperate, somebody would
throw them a pick and may be able to trade him, Um,
you know. And then over the last couple of weeks,
when it became clear that wasn't gonna happen, they started
to talk to Jimmy and they started talking amongst themselves,
how can we solve this creatively? And UM, you know,
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I I think sitting down with Jimmy and then Jimmy
saying that he'd be open to it under the right circumstances,
and then sitting down with Trey and making include a tray.
If this happens, you know, we're going to UM, you know,
we're going forward with you as our starting quarterback, sitting
down to the leadership council, the team's leadership council and
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UM and talking to them about it, you know. And
then I think, you know, really it was about, you know,
how how does the contract work? And I can tell
you for a fact, like this doesn't happen if Jimmy
isn't willing to take a contract with day's pay that
was less than Trey Lance, Like they did not. They
were not going to do this unless Jimmy was willing
to to go under the eight and a half million
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dollars that Trade Lance is making on his contract. So
Jill Jimmy was willing to do that. This does a
couple of things going forward. Um. You know, I think
creatively for them, Um, first of all, it opens the window.
It leaves that window open to trade him for another
two months. And you know, I think for for the team,
that allows them potentially to get a Massett back over
the next couple of months if there's an injury somewhere,
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if someone's quarterback situation goes south, so it extends that window,
you know. And then I think for Jimmy without a
really good situation out there for him right now, that
windows open for him to where over the next couple
of months a better situation might come along, you know.
And then if he's looking forward to three um, it
really for him, I think kind of like creates a
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situation where if he has to play, UM, and you know,
he plays say three games or five games, if there's
an injury, UM, the trade land, then what situation is
better out for him to look good um and to
showcase himself fore and the one in San Francisco rather
than going somewhere else in the backup. And because of
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the way I think they're gonna have to play Trey
Lance to get him going this year. I mean the
reality of it is, you know, an injury is possible,
So you know, I think it's I mean, look, I'm
not gonna tell you, guys, it's an ideal situation. The
ideal situation for everybody is there's a clear starting job
out there somewhere for Jimmy. The Niners are able to
get him, getting naked back for him, and everybody walks
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away happy. But that situation just wasn't out there for them,
in part, in large part because of the shoulder surgery.
And so you know, this is a creative sort of um,
you know, I think compromise they had to come to
to make the best of what's a really really awkward situation. Hm,
I'll take it. Um. Let me let me ask you
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about the whole uh scenario with Baker Mayfield coming out
and saying he's basically gonna beat that ass with as
Q mentioned, and you know, with with Oregon in Ohio state,
what has been clearly you know, Baker Mayfield is now
showing that that signature Baker Mayfield, I mean, what has
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been kind of the feedback of that he has now
overtaken obviously the starting job. How like it almost comes
across as you know, they ad they get a late,
late audition with a trade for another receiver. They seem
to be a team that has the talent to be
able to win. I mean, should we be taking a
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different look at this Carolina Pathers team right now? Yeah? Well,
you know what, var I think the first thing that
I think is encouraging for the Panthers is, I mean,
this wasn't close the quarterback competition. There wasn't closed. Like
Baker ran away with it. And you know what does
that say about Sam Donald Nott Corral. I mean, it
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says what it says, But like Baker was very clearly
the best quarterback in camp. And you know, I think
they think that he's going to be able to bring
something a little different to them as as sort of
a point to our type of quarterback as a distributor
or they think they're gonna be able to get more
out of guys like b J. Moore and Christian McCaffrey
as a result, you know, of of having that upgrade
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at the quarterback spot. So I think that's number one,
and then number two. I mean, like, look like if
this is going to happen for Matt Rule. You know,
part of the benefit of passing on quarterbacks the last
few years has should be that you have gotten better
in other areas if you're aster, And so really, you know,
this is gonna be on UM the coaches to get
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more out of the talent on hand, and it's gonna
be on guys like Derek Brown and j. C. Horne
and now the Kia quantity they draft from n See
State to really develop into the sort of core players
that they were drafted to be. And so, you know,
I think if you're resisting drafting a quarterback for years
in a row, and then again it's on the personnel
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staff of coaches to develop a really good team around
whoever the quarterback is. And so you know, they should
be in a spot after three years now where they're
not asking the world as a quarterback, what Bacon Mayfield
could just go out there and play UM And I
think that, you know, I look like I thought they
were going to be a playoff team last year. Obviously,
what all the things that went wrong a quarterback and
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the injuries elsewhere, UM kept that from even coming close
to happening. But I do think that they know obviously
to make a break here for Matt Rule, but beyond
just that, Like you know, you look at the talent
they brought in over the last three years and I
don't think there's any questions they should at least be
competitive for a playoff spot this year, especially in what
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I think is a pretty mediocre NFG. Albert, I want
to not necessarily change gears, but kind of stay on
the topic of some of the cuts what's been happening
in particular with the Raiders, but kind of transition to
Gruden only because it seems like that's an indictment on him,
not only as a head coach but slash pers and
now with what essentially the Raiders have done with that
(30:03):
roster U which we're all Gruden's picks. But then also
hearing publicly Gruden talking to what the Little Rock Touchdown
club about, wanted to get back and coach that looks
talking to a little Little Rock Touchdown Well, I mean
someone arguing our series, why not talk to him? The
just a weird place for that's probably the best is
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that where like Bill Clinton got his political career started, Yeah,
guy invited a little a little Rock. Now that's a
cigar anyway, The question really is do you see any
future for John Gruden coming back anytime? So? I mean
he's like sixty years always, that's not that old, not
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that young, but he's definitely still capable as so yeah,
I mean, I I like Brady. I think he'd like to.
I just I don't know how it happens, you know.
I think what we've seen in the task is these
guys can't rehab their their their their names right like
they can rehab and get themselves back on their feet.
And I mean we've seen it at Alabama, right, like
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what Nick Saban has done with so many guys that
have been through that program, Steve Sarkisi and Lane Kiff
and um, you know, I I Butch Jones like there
there have been so many guys that have that have
come through that program and kind of gotten back up
on their feet and become, um like prominent college coaches again.
So I think it can happen. I'm with you, though,
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Like I just I look at his age and I'm like,
is that going to happen in a guy's sixties? And
like Ken, does he have the time to rehab his name,
end to work in football for long enough? Again? And
is he willing to do that, you know, work as
an assistant somewhere, as a consultant somewhere. It kind of
re established his name that way, where you know, now
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when he's what sixty five years old, someone's willing to
hire him and make him the face of their franchise. Again. Um,
that's the thing is like, and I think, you know,
you look at the allegations against him, and again, like
there have been other guys like you know, start Easy
is probably Starks is probably the best example of a
guy who hit rock bottom, like the real rock bottom,
you know, and built himself back up and now he's
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back at Texas and that's a huge credit to him.
But it took time for that to happen, you know,
to Steve. Steve Starksian doesn't go to church. You know,
John Gruden goes to church. He's a good person. Include
the good Sons too, by the way. I mean, I
just think, I just think the problem is it's just
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like again like you're gonna be like some billionaires gonna
have to want to make John Gruden the face of
his franchise, and like, after everything that happened and everything
that was in those emails and everything else, um, you
have to make not just the football decision, but the
business decision to make John Gruden the face of your franchise.
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And I just think it's going to take it would
take time, I sent for him to rehab himself, to
have a billionaire of the position where he wanted to
do that over all the other options that a billionaire
would have. Can I throw out a billionaire or an
owner that I think maybe could do it? Would do it? Sure?
Jimmy hass them. That's interesting. I mean that's interesting. I like,
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I think you presume that, like then Kevin Stefanski and
Andrew Barry. Yeah, I'm saying if that doesn't work out, right,
if that doesn't work out, I mean, I just like
that's the thing is though, Brady is like, like, what
do you have? Wouldn't there would there be a better
option out there? And after like doing going through all
this with Deshaun Watson, would you want to do it again?
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Would you want to double down on it again? And
so I mean like, look like I like, I'm all
about giving guys second chances, Like I think that there
are a lot of great stories of guys getting second
chances and make me it work. I just again, like
I think you need some runway for that, Like you
need to have their needs. There needs to be some
time served, and you know, like like would John Gruen
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be willing to go be a lieutenant somewhere um to
go kind of serve his time that way and put
in those sorts of years to re establish his name
in the NFL And then at sixty five years old
in a league that's increasingly skewing towards hiring younger people,
is he the kind of person that you can sell
to your fan base if you want of these owners?
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I just I don't know that the timelines U. Yeah,
right right, that's the other part of it. Like so
I just think that there's and here's the other thing too.
It's if you look at like where when was the
last time John Gruden was ultra successful as an NFL coach?
I mean, now we're at the point where it was
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like twenty years ago, right like almost twenty years ago.
So like that's the other thing, is like the gap
between like the last time he was successful and now
just continues to grow And it's not just like television
within between that and now anymore. Now you've got like
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a failed coaching stint in Oakland and Vegas and then
obviously everything that happened with the emails, and so I
just think he becomes hard to sell to the public,
hard to sell your fan base, of your owner, and
then you know, like you said, LaVar, probably pretty hard
to sell you the locker room. Get him on Twitter
at Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at the mm QB
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all eyes on Notre Dame in Ohio State on this show.
In regards to the battle between Brady and here, we
got anything, we got anything? We have said it for
next week. Yeah, when we look at yeah, we'll figure
out something. On all right minus seventeen, we get Honor
some points and then we can make something work here.
Let's let's make it happy. I don't think we're doing points, um, Albert,
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we appreciate it. Have a good one, and then we
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developing situation in the world of sports. So for that,
we've got some breaking news. Oh breaking news from Fox Sports.
Monty Blonde, I know, lucky for you, all right, So
the Broncos and Russell Wilson have just reached an agreement
(37:03):
on a five year, two hundred and forty five million
dollar contract extension that includes a hundred and sixty five
million guaranteed. How bad. That's a lot of hundreds mean
a lot of millions. That is a lot of million. Yeah. Wow, Okay,
your mom, we got a deal. Are you going to
fix lights? Is that the deal? Because I'm leaving I
just got here. I'm leaving that's all right. Listen, it
(37:24):
could be worth two in the morning. No, no, no, no, yeah,
I would have. Yeah, I don't know how you're doing it.
I'm seriously, I feel like I'm at a club again. Yeah. Well,
there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, you know, I mean,
you know, there's no no beverages of not gonna say
where's my cocktail? No, who knows it's been up there?
Thank Denver, we got a deal. All right, So he
(37:45):
gets a video. You think you'll do a new video? Yeah,
I hope so yeah, maybe, Uh this is uh, I mean,
we're wondering if this is going to get done. But no,
that's right, they laughing. Good right. Good. By the way,
by the time he's done playing, he's gonna be one
of the highest paid players in the history of the
(38:06):
league ever. Gonna make so much money. Uh no, because
that just broke. But the interesting thing is, you know,
it's not as many guarantees, as much guaranteed money as
Deshaun Watson got, but total value it's obviously more. But
the thing about total value and contracts is usually you
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never they never get to it because they always renegotiate
the deal at that point. So do you think this
makes Lamar Jackson getting a deal done easier, because this
is an example of Baltimore saying, we can't go the
Deshaun Watson route, but we're more likely to go this, right. Yeah,
good news. So it also makes it harder though, because
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Roger's extension was three years, fully guaranteed to one fifty.
Now this is guaranteed to one sixty five. So I
would imagine Lamar Jackson saying, if you're gonna give me
an extension, well, no, not less years. He's gonna say,
give me a five year deal, but you're I'm stur
passing a hundred sixty five million total guarantees like you,
you better believe it's signing. Because the difference here is
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Russell has two years left on his deal. You know,
Lamar is literally going to be facing fore HD after
this year. Now, we assume they're gonna tag him at
least once, maybe twice, but even then you'd have to
look at what that first three years would look like.
If they tagged him three years in a row, you'd
be over a hundred million dollars in total guarantees easily,
maybe I think around So he's closer to having you
(39:31):
know that scenario play itself out, and I don't think
the Ravens want to do that. So I think this
does provide a clearer path for them to get a
deal done, but that doesn't make it any less difficulty.
Good for him, and we appreciate it dropping that on us.
So before the end of the show, normally we'll get
him screwed. Yeah, denver Le's right from all right, So
(39:57):
without further adea Stallion is right, it's his time for this. Yeah,
let's go to the news staff. Here's Brady Quinny well
from Russell Wilson cashing in. How about Leonardo DiCaprio checking out? Yeah,
him and his uh his girlfriend member. We talked about
(40:17):
how the fact that he was dating this model named
Kamilia Brown or about her mother was actually younger than Leo. Leo. Um,
now bring up the story because Chamilia did turn twenty
five and that relationship is now over and apparently this
is Leonardo DiCaprio's deal. Um, they turned twenty five, and
(40:38):
he says, boe bye. I mean, look, you know there's uh,
there's at a certain point, at a certain point he
just decides, you know, we've seen better days and they
young young. Yeah, they keep saying they get get old.
(41:00):
They keep saying his Rationelle is being communicated like this
that when women turn twenty five they want to start
looking for someone they can settle down with and have
a family with it. He's not interested in that, So
he's actually joined, he's actually doing them a favor. Is
the percentage of men that handle things that way higher
(41:23):
or lower than the percentage of men that make it
into the National Football League? I would say lower. That's
a good question. I don't know. I think I think, man,
I think there's some men that want to handle it
that way. They just don't have the right, they don't
have the ability to. But not Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah, they
don't have another model waiting that's three years old. Do
you think he's already got one ready to go? Like
(41:46):
he was supposedly out last night partying in New York
City at a private Club's good for him, man, I
wishould get him getting right back in the party and
at another club. Oh yeah, Sesame Street. It might have
been one of those like eighteen year old was it?
Was it checking cheese, checking chucking cheese. Yeah, good for
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of show with Lamar Areas and Rady Quinn and Jos
Knocks on Fox Radio. What's not fun is if you're
one of these players in the NFL and you are
getting cut or you're getting released by some of these teams.
Although if you are one of those players, you were
(00:22):
probably signed yesterday by the Chicago Bears, who made six signings,
six waiver deals to to make things happen, which seems
like maybe not a great sign for for where the
Bears are aheaded, the fact that they were this active
following cut days, but a lot of players and maybe
even some surprising ones. Kelvin Mund included that they are
no longer with their teams that have drafted them pretty recently,
(00:43):
so kind of a wild time. It has been weird.
I mean, LaVar, I don't know if you feel this way,
but I feel like there's like more guys teams are
moving off a runway, like like a new regime isn't
even giving them a shot, Like they basically just get there.
They're like, yeah, you don't really fit, We're gonna We're
gonna move on. I mean, honestly, like think about all
the Raiders cuts the Vikings if you go if you
(01:04):
go back, like the Vikings kind of got off the
hook for how many cuts they had. Go back and
look at their draft class for just a year ago.
I think it kept like three or four guys like
the rest are all cut, and they had a decent
sized draft class. So it's it is odd like how
fast teams are just moving on, which I mean, look
at people on the outside probably listening to don't care
about this, but you do have about almost a thousand
(01:26):
guys who are now jobless and looking for the opportunity
to play in the NFL. And it's tough because put
yourself in their shoes for a second. Imagine you get
out of college, you trained for this your entire life,
you get an opportunity and in fact, like the team
selects you, and then a year later they're like, yeah,
we've got some new management. Um, we don't they know
you that well, but you know, look you probably don't
(01:48):
fit what we do. We're just gonna move on. It's
like you don't even get a chance really to prove yourself.
So it's it's it's tough, I think, to be able
to deal with the fact of just the change and
some time some of these guys even necessarily do anything bad,
they're just not the right fifth for the scheme for
what that team is looking for, wrong place, the wrong time.
It's showing. Uh, six of the eleven players the Vikings
(02:11):
drafted in one got cut. So like this week they
just said, yeah, well we're we're good here. I mean,
here's here's the part that's interesting about it. And yeah,
people probably look at it and go, don't care. Well, listen,
I mean those guys got cut. I mean they've made it.
You know, they've got an opportunity and if they do
get signed somewhere, they're going to make a good amount
of money. If this happened in any other industry or
(02:34):
any other business where you're just getting clipped this quick
into it, you look around, going the hell is that?
Like it feels like there's there's no real grace period
for a lot of these guys and they get into
the league neither you can figure it out, or if
we're not a believer in you, you're gonna end up
somewhere else. Like the kellyn Mon situation is weird. I
didn't realize that he was struggling that bad. But I
(02:57):
also don't think that he was in the best situation
being Mike Zimmer who aired him out and had nothing
but you know, negative things to say about him last year.
Now Zimmer's gone, and it's like he gets labeled and
painted as something else, and so now he moves on.
Josh Rosen is another example. It just feels like a
lot of these guys, unless you have a believer in
you from the get go, you're just gonna be battling
(03:20):
up hill to try and get a job. Well, it's
a it's a job. It's it's a job description that
you know coming in. It's all based upon production and
and if you're not producing, then you you just got
to take a good, long, hard look at at the
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situation as a player and also as a staff, because
the idea of it is is it's like the trickle
down effect. If the general manager doesn't choose the right
players or the right coach and they're losing, then the
general manager is going to lose their job, you know,
or or he'll just blame them and then he hires
(04:03):
a whole new staff and then after that staff doesn't
work out, then maybe he gets fired. Yeah. But but
again like just the idea of like how how it
all works, Like the owners aren't getting fired, so the
owners want their their results. So in the end, who's
going like why do you have to produce the GMS
have to produce a staff that's going to bring in
(04:26):
good players. Uh, he has to produce a good coach
that's going to develop those players. And and when if
that doesn't happen, they're going to replace that that GM
if the coach doesn't develop those players and give strong
feedback or bring in his staff of guys that are
going to help with with you know, scouting and who
(04:46):
you're going to go out there and you're going to draft,
or who you're gonna bring in for uh free agencies
or possible trade scenarios. Then you know you're you're already
behind the eight ball if you don't I get that.
But what's the HI table then, yeah, well I think
it's changing. It used to be they give you about
two three years, you know, maybe a little longer, you know,
(05:09):
for you know, the threshold might have been five years
back in the day. You know, today's NFL it is microwave.
It is microwave success. So I mean you might get
one year. Generally speaking, you might get one year to
show that you belong to be a coach. You know,
four teams? Is it because the coaching turnover? And it
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is that trickled down effect because every offseason, what is
there six or seven coaches that are getting clipped? Which
is what of coaches that in the league that are
looking for jobs the next season. If that's the case,
they're probably looking around going I'm under the gun. I
gotta start making some moves here. And I just wonder
if it's a volatile, turbulent industry though, and and if
(05:56):
people really took the time to take a step back
and look at how volatile and how turbulent it is.
I mean, families are having to adjust every year. Coaches
are heading towards different cities every year. Players are heading
towards different cities every every season, sometimes more than once
during the course of a season. So it's a turbulent job,
(06:19):
Like that's what you've signed up for. So I don't
I don't think that people should look at it and
feel sorry for those who It's a production job and
it is unique from a lot of other industries that
that you would go into performingly. It's not it's not
from a lot, it's from all of them. I mean,
I think about a third of your workforce, if not
closer to a half gone. I mean, by the way,
(06:42):
you just got your job in April, like like we're
now sitting here with September one today, so you've got
five months to prove yourself or you're gone. And there's
not many there's not many careers I would say almost
probably all that that don't give you least six months.
I mean, you're talking about some cases guys who when
(07:03):
we talk about like development or time to showcase or produce,
what are you producing in that five it's not like
I think the biggest issue with today's NFL is a
lot of these younger players don't get developed because of
the coaching turnover. These coaches are more concerned with their
job security and making sure they have the best players
(07:26):
possible to go out there and win, and not development
or not what the team looks like at the end
of the season, because they don't know if they'll make
it through this season. So they're just worried about, hey,
we gotta go out there and win. Because when I started,
no what he's doing, does my backup have an idea
of what he's gotta do? Okay, anyone else, don't give
a crap. I'll figure that out, you know, the next
week and whatever issue we got that It is like
(07:47):
a you know, a need basis. And that's the tough
part is I don't know many other careers where you know,
you're kind of bored into this volatility and just everything
else that comes with it. And it's different, Like it's
hard to assimilate to the rest of society because when
you get a job like you shually you're getting on
board and you're getting trained there, like teaching, it's a
(08:08):
lot slower process. In some cases, it's hard to get
fired like like like like they're not going to like.
That was one of my biggest issues transition out of
the NFL. Is you would go do something, for example,
and broadcasting on TV, someone would forget to run something,
or they'd run the wrong tape where you're on live
TV and they're showing you something that's not what you
(08:29):
asked for or now what you're prepared for the production meeting,
And I've been thinking to my head like dang, dude,
like this person would get fired if they were playing
in the NFL. But but but a TV, they're just like, oh,
that's just Steve. Steve does that from time to time
and you're like, what, what a great guy like Steve's awesome,
He's so funny night. But I mean, it wasn't prepared
(08:56):
for a second. No, I do have to ask this
question cause I saw this like circulating during social media yesterday.
I was like, oh, here we go. But it is
an interesting topic. So so there's some guys who that'll
be it. They got signed after the draft as an
undrafted free agent or maybe even drafted, and they don't
catch on anywhere else, not even a practice squad right,
(09:16):
which those rules, by the way, have changed, Like you've
got dudes have been in the NFL and active rosters
for like five years or now practicald eligible somehow, I
have no idea how what what the how they changed
the rule to make that happen. But anyway, do you
guys count that as them being a part of an
NFL team that they make a practice swide? Yeah, Like
there's some of those guys who are using as part
of their dating profile. No, no no, no, not made a
(09:37):
practice squad, just getting signed for like that period of
time the summer to training camp and then that's it. Man,
I knew LaVar is gonna come out hard on him. Yeah, well,
I mean that's just the truth. Well look, I mean,
if that's the case, and brock Lesner was a former
NFL player because he was in the Vikings training camp
and made it all the way in to final cuts,
and I don't know that anybody has ever as great
(09:58):
as his resume is. I don't know anybody's ever said
that you have to you have. I mean, you don't
get credit towards towards your pension for that, no, but
we're talking about on your tender profile. Would use if
if I'm if I'm going in to work every day
and I'm I'm even if I'm collecting minimum wage to
be a part of the practice team. I am a
(10:18):
part of the team. I just I'm just not a
part of the active ross. I would also take the
lie this much further. I would change anybody that contact like,
say you remember the Tampa Bay Box anybody Like if
if I had a guy, a buddy of mine who
I spoke to regularly, UM and he would contact and
communicate with me regularly, I would change his name on
my phone to Tom Brady to make it seem like
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Tom Brady was still reaching out to me even though
I wasn't a member of the team. I mean, if
you're gonna go all out on this lie, let me
let me put it this way, to even play college
football at a high level, you're still like like a small,
small percentage, and then just even side with the team,
it's still a small percentage. So I could see statistically
(11:04):
why you can make the case for those people, because
it's not like everyone who just finishes playing football and
college goes on it gets a chance at the NFL. Like,
think about that for a second. You still are only
a fraction of what actually graduates or their eligibility expires,
has a shot. So I'm not condemning them either way.
I think you'll use what you can. We all know
(11:27):
you're living a lot. But I was gonna say there's
a lot of people who are living a lie, though,
I mean I trust me, like like like if that's
if that's where we're gonna draw the line. It's like
that there's a lot of people, sweetheart, But what like
we've we've just saw the whole story, Like how does
(11:49):
that relate here? Well, I'm just saying, you know, there's
a lot of people living a lie, and that's that, right.
There was a lot trying to atone for that now.
I mean honestly, I think if you if you felt
anything from that, you feel bad, not love for Hawaii.
Hold On, Jonas would have been catfish and he would
have easily played on talking about the other than I. Yeah,
(12:13):
I'm not talking about I'm not talking about man Titan.
I'm talking about Ranya, the liar and the whole story,
who didn't want to take accountability for for basically any
of it and just said, well, you know, but it
was all me, Yeah, it was all me. It just
you know, yeah, just you know, the different sex and
you know the picture. So much better about myself now though,
knowing that I I set things, you know, right, so
(12:36):
that you know, I could move on with my life.
You know what a scumbag it does, a scumbag move
But yeah, I mean, if you are it's true, there's
other words for we don't. It's a spoiler alert. A
lot of people still haven't seen the story, but there
is some things that have changed. Yeah, just all of
(12:57):
a sudden, you know, things have changed. But I mean, yeah,
if you're gonna go through with it and you're gonna
claim that you're an NFL player but you never actually
technically made a practice squad or anything like that, I
think you've got to really elaborate practicing and you're in
the locker room and you're lifting their weights and you
are playing in preseason games, you get you get a
little Yeah, I'm saying you don't make you don't make
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the final cut. That's it. It counts account it counts,
it counts in. I'm not gonna shame them. If it's
on their profile, then I like look him up and like,
wait a second, well no, not even that they're not
on a team. If they just say former NFL player
and it was only for that period of time, I'd
be like, yeah, that's fine. I mean, I don't care,
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you know, if that's what he's doing to kind of
And there's there's some experiences I think people take from
that five month period. Probably Okay, let me ask you this,
what percentage if you had to guess of all your
college teammates, what percentage made the NFL and made an
active roster of your entire college career? At all. I
mean just like like a ballpark figure, what do you
think it is? You would not just a ball less
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scholarship players for every four years? Right, so you're talking
about roughly what is that thirty you know, three players
or whatever. And I guess you've got something that you're
you're going with in your class. But let's see, let's
say you got three hundred guys. I would say you
probably are talking about I don't know. I mean we
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we don't have a lot of guys drafted. We did,
we did, years might be different, Yeah, we did, Like
from like my first year there, I was with guys
like Joe Jarre Vicious, Curtis Zenus, you know, I mean
our offensive line. You know, we had a few guys
go from our offensive line. We had uh Brad Skioli,
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Uh uh Jim Nelson, Uh, Aaron Collins. But are we
talking like less of all your teammates. Yeah, that's what
I might say, less than five. It would be a
better it would be a better comparable two starters versus
the entire rock. But like making but they think this,
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you know makes your point even better? Is that making
any like getting past the high school level and getting
an opportunity, and first of you're a scholarship player, and
then even if you're not a scholarship player, for a
lot of guys that this is something that maybe people
may not take into consideration. College ball being able to play,
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especially major college ball, that is the pinnacle. But your
understanding of it is what I'm saying. You're understanding that
this is it. I probably won't even touch the field
like a Matt rule, you know, And then a Matt
rule ends up being able to play special teams or
they get garbage duty and games. That's the you know,
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I mean for him, he ended up having a great
coaching career, but you're not going to see them make
it into the league, you know what I mean. So
most more often than not. So if you look at
starters on teams, you know, or even the backup, the
second in line at these major schools, it would probably
be a better comparison in terms of what is the
percentage because as some of these schools, the percentage is
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super high in terms of the guys that play. So
you have guys that come into college that play, and
then you have guys that are they're they're going to
be scout team guys. They're going to be special team guys,
you know, and that's that's just what their role is.
And that that's why I still like watching preseason football
because I watch it and go, do you understand how
much better these guys are than the average person that's
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ever play. I play, don't even have a chance to make,
not even I played in school for I was awful.
These guys are so much better than everybody that's watching
or criticizing him or saying, oh god, get rid of
the preseason It doesn't matter, it doesn't you know. I
mean you got rid of one game, just get rid
of all of it. No, No, Like there is a
level of play that I still think people have a
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hard time like being able to reason with and being
able to relate to when it comes to the quality
of player in the NFL. And that's why the term
bust some of the criticism I hear. I don't get it.
I really don't understand it. Like, do you know how
hard it is to even make a college scholarship level,
let alone make it to the NFL, even on the
preseason level. So yeah, I go with a lie. You know,
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say you played in the NFL, why not just go
with it. I think they've earned it. They've earned that right.
Something wrong, I'll give it to home. I'll give it
especially if it helps them off the field totally and
it can help. I've seen it really really benefit trust
me because that because because here's the thing is, guys
will get blamed for like saying chauvinistic things like well,
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I want to find you know, a woman who I
feel like, you know, I can you know, make some
big kids with so you get were tall and athletic
as man. Women are doing the same exact thing. My
wife is five one, and she told me, she's like, yeah,
of course, like you're tall. She's like one of my
kids to be taller and one of my kids be
short all the stuff. And I was like, I mean
like they think the exact same way. They just don't
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get in trouble for saying it. Yeah, I gotta be honest.
And it worked because all my kids look like they
got the perfective Professor x Xavier School of Mutants. It worked.
That's called three. Yeah it is, Uh, you're stud out
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like a triple crown winner. Yeah. My father God rested,
so he patted me on my shoulders, felt my arms,
and he was like, yeah, you're good, You're a good man.
We'll take this one. We'll take this one. We get
this wrapped and ready together. Oh. Be sure to catch
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live editions of Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
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Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Speaking of pros,
how about Albert Prier, senior NFL reporter mm QB at
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Alber Prier on Twitter, A guy who loves his college football.
And I'm hoping we can keep things calm here this morning.
I know it's a little bit early in the trash,
let's go. I mean, look, you know Ohio State alum,
he's got Notre Dame this weekend. I'm just hoping we
don't have any issues here, That's what I'm hoping. Yeah. Well,
I I will say I agree with you guys, like
I hate the pro football snob who acts like he
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can't be lowered to watch college football, Like I cannot
stand that, Like you know, like it's and it's usually
some guy who never played football at any level, you
know what I mean. Like, but it's like it's it's
that guy who says like I can't like I can't
even watch I can't even be I can't even be
like lower to watch that sort of stuff. So because
I agree with you guys, like I think the atmosphere
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is better, the you know, like just it the excitement
about it, like and I think some of thettle bit
like is not knowing like how like say like Ohio
State matches up with Alabama matches up with USC in
any given year, you know what I mean, Like that
sort of thing about it. I think it's cool. Even
the talent gap, I mean makes for more big, big plays,
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makes for better highlights sometimes, like NFL is great. I
love the NFL, but the college experience, like there's just
something so different about a college football Saturday. Like I
don't think there's anything more American than the college football Saturday.
I hear you on that. And plus like the upsets too, right,
like that's that's like the upsets are that much bigger.
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Well I don't even know if that's that big of
an upset, the points big, but I mean, well, if
we're gonna get into it, I mean, what was Oregon
last year? There were two touchdown underdog. They came in there. Yeah,
I'm just saying, like it's been impossible to go win.
Didn't Oklahoma go in there and make down an artificial turf?
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Qun that was the left to the body? Come on,
come on, here's the thing. I'll put it this way.
I spoke to someone who's in the know last night.
There's some concern. There's concerned for the side. They're unconcerned
about the overall physicality Albert Oh, well, all the last
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eight months like getting them. So I think they know
that people think they're soft. I'll put it that way.
And I for my understanding is they were in pads
a lot over the last four or five weeks, and
the whole off season has been sort of I think
to address what happened against Oregon, to address what happens
against happened against Michigan. So it'll be in I say.
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I say this with all sincerity, with all sincerity, like
I do think the other day is a good test.
When it comes to that. Good tests so so not
not really like uh not really like a you know,
training competitor or that you feel threatened. Just a good test,
early test. It's just an early test. Yeah, yeah, not
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a test, so just above a toun. I mean you
no at all terrible next week if this doesn't go
my way, not at all. I mean well, I mean
I think there's a lot of people who are going
to probably get at you a little bit or Buckeye Nation,
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but um, that's that's the thing is, I think that
people are questioning the toughness whether or not there finessed
team under Ryan Day. You know, it's funny when when
there was a transition from Chip Kelly at Oregon to
Mark Helfridge, people forget Mark Helfridge took Oregon to a
national championship, Like people tend to forget that, But there
was this stigma then that, oh they were finessed, they
were soft, like they would never be able to compete
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with the with the big boys. And I think last
year was the first time where it kind of got
exposed little bit obviously versus Michigan. But if you really
looked at it, last year outside of like the Rutgers
game and a few others, were like those teams weren't
to be able to run on anyone. You go, yeah,
they were actually really bad run defense. So we'll see,
we'll see what Jim Knowles as improved what he's done,
but probably felt at some point that's why you pay
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a seven That's why based seven figures for a new
defensive coordinator because of what happened the last couple of years.
It wasn't just last year either, it was the year before.
I mean, like what Alabama did to them in the
championship game. Like, yeah, there's no question m Albert. As
we transition over to the NFL, what the hell happened
in San Francisco at Jimmy Garoppolo? How did this same
thing end up the way that it did? And what
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what are you hearing from people you talk to? Yeah,
I mean I think I think it really starts with
the Niners being a being surprised that they couldn't offload
Jimmy Garoppolo. Obviously the UM the shoulder surgery complicated things
over the last six seven months, UM and it made
it so like at the point when you'd normally move
up later like that, they weren't able to move them.
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And you know, I think they sincerely thought like at
some point in August somebody would get desperate, somebody would
throw them a pick and may be able to trade him, Um,
you know. And then over the last couple of weeks,
when it became clear that wasn't gonna happen, they started
to talk to Jimmy and they started talking amongst themselves,
how can we solve this creatively? And UM, you know,
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I I think sitting down with Jimmy and then Jimmy
saying that he'd be open to it under the right circumstances,
and then sitting down with Trey and making include a tray.
If this happens, you know, we're going to UM, you know,
we're going forward with you as our starting quarterback, sitting
down to the leadership council, the team's leadership council and
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UM and talking to them about it, you know. And
then I think, you know, really it was about, you know,
how how does the contract work? And I can tell
you for a fact, like this doesn't happen if Jimmy
isn't willing to take a contract with day's pay that
was less than Trey Lance, Like they did not. They
were not going to do this unless Jimmy was willing
to to go under the eight and a half million
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dollars that Trade Lance is making on his contract. So
Jill Jimmy was willing to do that. This does a
couple of things going forward. Um. You know, I think
creatively for them, Um, first of all, it opens the window.
It leaves that window open to trade him for another
two months. And you know, I think for for the team,
that allows them potentially to get a Massett back over
the next couple of months if there's an injury somewhere,
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if someone's quarterback situation goes south, so it extends that window,
you know. And then I think for Jimmy without a
really good situation out there for him right now, that
windows open for him to where over the next couple
of months a better situation might come along, you know.
And then if he's looking forward to three um, it
really for him, I think kind of like creates a
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situation where if he has to play, UM, and you know,
he plays say three games or five games, if there's
an injury, UM, the trade land, then what situation is
better out for him to look good um and to
showcase himself fore and the one in San Francisco rather
than going somewhere else in the backup. And because of
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the way I think they're gonna have to play Trey
Lance to get him going this year. I mean the
reality of it is, you know, an injury is possible,
So you know, I think it's I mean, look, I'm
not gonna tell you, guys, it's an ideal situation. The
ideal situation for everybody is there's a clear starting job
out there somewhere for Jimmy. The Niners are able to
get him, getting naked back for him, and everybody walks
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away happy. But that situation just wasn't out there for them,
in part, in large part because of the shoulder surgery.
And so you know, this is a creative sort of um,
you know, I think compromise they had to come to
to make the best of what's a really really awkward situation. Hm,
I'll take it. Um. Let me let me ask you
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about the whole uh scenario with Baker Mayfield coming out
and saying he's basically gonna beat that ass with as
Q mentioned, and you know, with with Oregon in Ohio state,
what has been clearly you know, Baker Mayfield is now
showing that that signature Baker Mayfield, I mean, what has
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been kind of the feedback of that he has now
overtaken obviously the starting job. How like it almost comes
across as you know, they ad they get a late,
late audition with a trade for another receiver. They seem
to be a team that has the talent to be
able to win. I mean, should we be taking a
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different look at this Carolina Pathers team right now? Yeah? Well,
you know what, var I think the first thing that
I think is encouraging for the Panthers is, I mean,
this wasn't close the quarterback competition. There wasn't closed. Like
Baker ran away with it. And you know what does
that say about Sam Donald Nott Corral. I mean, it
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says what it says, But like Baker was very clearly
the best quarterback in camp. And you know, I think
they think that he's going to be able to bring
something a little different to them as as sort of
a point to our type of quarterback as a distributor
or they think they're gonna be able to get more
out of guys like b J. Moore and Christian McCaffrey
as a result, you know, of of having that upgrade
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at the quarterback spot. So I think that's number one,
and then number two. I mean, like, look like if
this is going to happen for Matt Rule. You know,
part of the benefit of passing on quarterbacks the last
few years has should be that you have gotten better
in other areas if you're aster, And so really, you know,
this is gonna be on UM the coaches to get
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more out of the talent on hand, and it's gonna
be on guys like Derek Brown and j. C. Horne
and now the Kia quantity they draft from n See
State to really develop into the sort of core players
that they were drafted to be. And so, you know,
I think if you're resisting drafting a quarterback for years
in a row, and then again it's on the personnel
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staff of coaches to develop a really good team around
whoever the quarterback is. And so you know, they should
be in a spot after three years now where they're
not asking the world as a quarterback, what Bacon Mayfield
could just go out there and play UM And I
think that, you know, I look like I thought they
were going to be a playoff team last year. Obviously,
what all the things that went wrong a quarterback and
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the injuries elsewhere, UM kept that from even coming close
to happening. But I do think that they know obviously
to make a break here for Matt Rule, but beyond
just that, Like you know, you look at the talent
they brought in over the last three years and I
don't think there's any questions they should at least be
competitive for a playoff spot this year, especially in what
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I think is a pretty mediocre NFG. Albert, I want
to not necessarily change gears, but kind of stay on
the topic of some of the cuts what's been happening
in particular with the Raiders, but kind of transition to
Gruden only because it seems like that's an indictment on him,
not only as a head coach but slash pers and
now with what essentially the Raiders have done with that
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roster U which we're all Gruden's picks. But then also
hearing publicly Gruden talking to what the Little Rock Touchdown
club about, wanted to get back and coach that looks
talking to a little Little Rock Touchdown Well, I mean
someone arguing our series, why not talk to him? The
just a weird place for that's probably the best is
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that where like Bill Clinton got his political career started, Yeah,
guy invited a little a little Rock. Now that's a
cigar anyway, The question really is do you see any
future for John Gruden coming back anytime? So? I mean
he's like sixty years always, that's not that old, not
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that young, but he's definitely still capable as so yeah,
I mean, I I like Brady. I think he'd like to.
I just I don't know how it happens, you know.
I think what we've seen in the task is these
guys can't rehab their their their their names right like
they can rehab and get themselves back on their feet.
And I mean we've seen it at Alabama, right, like
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what Nick Saban has done with so many guys that
have been through that program, Steve Sarkisi and Lane Kiff
and um, you know, I I Butch Jones like there
there have been so many guys that have that have
come through that program and kind of gotten back up
on their feet and become, um like prominent college coaches again.
So I think it can happen. I'm with you, though,
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Like I just I look at his age and I'm like,
is that going to happen in a guy's sixties? And
like Ken, does he have the time to rehab his name,
end to work in football for long enough? Again? And
is he willing to do that, you know, work as
an assistant somewhere, as a consultant somewhere. It kind of
re established his name that way, where you know, now
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when he's what sixty five years old, someone's willing to
hire him and make him the face of their franchise. Again. Um,
that's the thing is like, and I think, you know,
you look at the allegations against him, and again, like
there have been other guys like you know, start Easy
is probably Starks is probably the best example of a
guy who hit rock bottom, like the real rock bottom,
you know, and built himself back up and now he's
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back at Texas and that's a huge credit to him.
But it took time for that to happen, you know,
to Steve. Steve Starksian doesn't go to church. You know,
John Gruden goes to church. He's a good person. Include
the good Sons too, by the way. I mean, I
just think, I just think the problem is it's just
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like again like you're gonna be like some billionaires gonna
have to want to make John Gruden the face of
his franchise, and like, after everything that happened and everything
that was in those emails and everything else, um, you
have to make not just the football decision, but the
business decision to make John Gruden the face of your franchise.
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And I just think it's going to take it would
take time, I sent for him to rehab himself, to
have a billionaire of the position where he wanted to
do that over all the other options that a billionaire
would have. Can I throw out a billionaire or an
owner that I think maybe could do it? Would do it? Sure?
Jimmy hass them. That's interesting. I mean that's interesting. I like,
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I think you presume that, like then Kevin Stefanski and
Andrew Barry. Yeah, I'm saying if that doesn't work out, right,
if that doesn't work out, I mean, I just like
that's the thing is though, Brady is like, like, what
do you have? Wouldn't there would there be a better
option out there? And after like doing going through all
this with Deshaun Watson, would you want to do it again?
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Would you want to double down on it again? And
so I mean like, look like I like, I'm all
about giving guys second chances, Like I think that there
are a lot of great stories of guys getting second
chances and make me it work. I just again, like
I think you need some runway for that, Like you
need to have their needs. There needs to be some
time served, and you know, like like would John Gruen
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be willing to go be a lieutenant somewhere um to
go kind of serve his time that way and put
in those sorts of years to re establish his name
in the NFL And then at sixty five years old
in a league that's increasingly skewing towards hiring younger people,
is he the kind of person that you can sell
to your fan base if you want of these owners?
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I just I don't know that the timelines U. Yeah,
right right, that's the other part of it. Like so
I just think that there's and here's the other thing too.
It's if you look at like where when was the
last time John Gruden was ultra successful as an NFL coach?
I mean, now we're at the point where it was
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like twenty years ago, right like almost twenty years ago.
So like that's the other thing, is like the gap
between like the last time he was successful and now
just continues to grow And it's not just like television
within between that and now anymore. Now you've got like
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a failed coaching stint in Oakland and Vegas and then
obviously everything that happened with the emails, and so I
just think he becomes hard to sell to the public,
hard to sell your fan base, of your owner, and
then you know, like you said, LaVar, probably pretty hard
to sell you the locker room. Get him on Twitter
at Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at the mm QB
(35:33):
all eyes on Notre Dame in Ohio State on this show.
In regards to the battle between Brady and here, we
got anything, we got anything? We have said it for
next week. Yeah, when we look at yeah, we'll figure
out something. On all right minus seventeen, we get Honor
some points and then we can make something work here.
Let's let's make it happy. I don't think we're doing points, um, Albert,
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we appreciate it. Have a good one, and then we
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(36:42):
developing situation in the world of sports. So for that,
we've got some breaking news. Oh breaking news from Fox Sports.
Monty Blonde, I know, lucky for you, all right, So
the Broncos and Russell Wilson have just reached an agreement
(37:03):
on a five year, two hundred and forty five million
dollar contract extension that includes a hundred and sixty five
million guaranteed. How bad. That's a lot of hundreds mean
a lot of millions. That is a lot of million. Yeah. Wow, Okay,
your mom, we got a deal. Are you going to
fix lights? Is that the deal? Because I'm leaving I
just got here. I'm leaving that's all right. Listen, it
(37:24):
could be worth two in the morning. No, no, no, no, yeah,
I would have. Yeah, I don't know how you're doing it.
I'm seriously, I feel like I'm at a club again. Yeah. Well,
there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, you know, I mean,
you know, there's no no beverages of not gonna say
where's my cocktail? No, who knows it's been up there?
Thank Denver, we got a deal. All right, So he
(37:45):
gets a video. You think you'll do a new video? Yeah,
I hope so yeah, maybe, Uh this is uh, I mean,
we're wondering if this is going to get done. But no,
that's right, they laughing. Good right. Good. By the way,
by the time he's done playing, he's gonna be one
of the highest paid players in the history of the
(38:06):
league ever. Gonna make so much money. Uh no, because
that just broke. But the interesting thing is, you know,
it's not as many guarantees, as much guaranteed money as
Deshaun Watson got, but total value it's obviously more. But
the thing about total value and contracts is usually you
(38:27):
never they never get to it because they always renegotiate
the deal at that point. So do you think this
makes Lamar Jackson getting a deal done easier, because this
is an example of Baltimore saying, we can't go the
Deshaun Watson route, but we're more likely to go this, right. Yeah,
good news. So it also makes it harder though, because
(38:47):
Roger's extension was three years, fully guaranteed to one fifty.
Now this is guaranteed to one sixty five. So I
would imagine Lamar Jackson saying, if you're gonna give me
an extension, well, no, not less years. He's gonna say,
give me a five year deal, but you're I'm stur
passing a hundred sixty five million total guarantees like you,
you better believe it's signing. Because the difference here is
(39:09):
Russell has two years left on his deal. You know,
Lamar is literally going to be facing fore HD after
this year. Now, we assume they're gonna tag him at
least once, maybe twice, but even then you'd have to
look at what that first three years would look like.
If they tagged him three years in a row, you'd
be over a hundred million dollars in total guarantees easily,
maybe I think around So he's closer to having you
(39:31):
know that scenario play itself out, and I don't think
the Ravens want to do that. So I think this
does provide a clearer path for them to get a
deal done, but that doesn't make it any less difficulty.
Good for him, and we appreciate it dropping that on us.
So before the end of the show, normally we'll get
him screwed. Yeah, denver Le's right from all right, So
(39:57):
without further adea Stallion is right, it's his time for this. Yeah,
let's go to the news staff. Here's Brady Quinny well
from Russell Wilson cashing in. How about Leonardo DiCaprio checking out? Yeah,
him and his uh his girlfriend member. We talked about
(40:17):
how the fact that he was dating this model named
Kamilia Brown or about her mother was actually younger than Leo. Leo. Um,
now bring up the story because Chamilia did turn twenty
five and that relationship is now over and apparently this
is Leonardo DiCaprio's deal. Um, they turned twenty five, and
(40:38):
he says, boe bye. I mean, look, you know there's uh,
there's at a certain point, at a certain point he
just decides, you know, we've seen better days and they
young young. Yeah, they keep saying they get get old.
(41:00):
They keep saying his Rationelle is being communicated like this
that when women turn twenty five they want to start
looking for someone they can settle down with and have
a family with it. He's not interested in that, So
he's actually joined, he's actually doing them a favor. Is
the percentage of men that handle things that way higher
(41:23):
or lower than the percentage of men that make it
into the National Football League? I would say lower. That's
a good question. I don't know. I think I think, man,
I think there's some men that want to handle it
that way. They just don't have the right, they don't
have the ability to. But not Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah, they
don't have another model waiting that's three years old. Do
you think he's already got one ready to go? Like
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he was supposedly out last night partying in New York
City at a private Club's good for him, man, I
wishould get him getting right back in the party and
at another club. Oh yeah, Sesame Street. It might have
been one of those like eighteen year old was it?
Was it checking cheese, checking chucking cheese. Yeah, good for
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