September 14, 2023 • 46 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys preview Thursday Night Football between the Eagles and Vikings. Senior NFL Reporter for TheMMQB, Albert Breer talks about the Jets plans at QB going forward and Brady explains why the NFLPA has no leg to stand on in the Grass vs Turf debate.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with lamar As, Rady Whinn and Jonas Knox on Box.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Radio Week two already here in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Yeah yeah, baby, who's fired up for week two?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Who's fired up for Kirk Cousins in prime time?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I am yeah, hold.
Speaker 5 (00:26):
On, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
He's actually been really good on Thursday night though, at
least of late if you count Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, but yeah, I mean, why wouldn't you count Thanksgiving?
That makes sense because the time yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
You know, this goes back some years.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I mean, this is this is an age old conversation
where remember we talked about the internal body clock of
Kirk Cousins. It's like, for whatever reason, after like one
at one pm Eastern, four pm Eastern, it usually hasn't
worked out.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Well, yeah, maybe it's just a morning person slash early
afternoon everything from there's downhill.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
You know, maybe you had a theory on this, you
were you were kind of like, hey, man, people some
people just you know better, like when they do something
consistently at a certain time.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, I mean I would some would call it, oh yeah,
you know.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
A serial killer. Yeah, just where I was going, Yeah,
like lunatic.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Although he was a vigilantes. It's a little different.
Speaker 6 (01:27):
I never really watched Dexter.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
It was a great show, but he was.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
So he was a vigilante, but he was killing people though, right.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
But bad people.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Those are bad people that he didn't want the cops
to get to him first, and so he would.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Take about So my thing is like, what if two
years from them being that bad person they turned into
a good person. Had Dexter not get to him. It's
a conversation for another time. There's something to think about.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
You know, I don't think I don't think that was
gonna happen.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
When going to happen?
Speaker 5 (01:56):
I mean, these are pretty bad people.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Is this the Dexter theme song?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Listen, there's one show of record on Showtime and it's
Ray Donovan. Everything else can kiss.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Dexter was a better series than Ray Donovan. Ray Donovan
is Good was a better You.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Like Dexter better than Ray Donovan? I do you just
lost your Irish car?
Speaker 6 (02:15):
I'm going to them both.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I don't think that's the case.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
But uh, I'm just telling you. You think he's right Coop? Yeah? Okay? Yeah? Interesting?
Speaker 5 (02:25):
And so you watch Dexter. You you really can't comment.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
They're both great shows, but the first like three or
four seasons of Dexter all time.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Ray Donovan got a little like a times like okay,
but they were both killing people, right, yes, but in
an entirely different way. Dexter will like creep you out.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, well listen. I don't know if Kirk Cousins has
killed anybody.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
But yeah, LeVar, thanks for taking this.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
I didn't want to go down for I didn't want
to go down, but they might get I mean, it
was interesting, get your commentary.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I learned a little bit more about you this morning.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Cue right.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
You enjoy watching different types of killers and how they
do it?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
That was just different.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It's all good man.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
I see that your analytics or your your analyzation, or
however you call it of topics does not differ or
change from topic to topic category, by the way, like
you're actually well well rounded in the things that you
know a lot about. Oh yeah, like even serial killer. Yeah,
there's there's nothing. There's nothing you ever seen? Analysis was
(03:38):
was flawless.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You ever seen Days of Thunder says there's nothing I
can't do in a race car. There's nothing. Yeah, that's
just that's just what he does. Man.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
There a movie. Is there a movie that Tom Cruise
has ever been in that exists where he did not
run full speed? Is there one movie that you.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Have, becaues he looks so good running?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Can I have one?
Speaker 6 (04:02):
He I loves watching himself.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I have one? There is one born on the fourth
of July. What, well, he's in a wheelchair? Oh he
is making that up. How does he run out the
beginning of the movie A wart scene in the beginning?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Maybe he before he plays Ron Cocher.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
I can't think of one movie where he doesn't run
full speed?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Cocktail?
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Does he run at full speed in Cocktail?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah he does?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
What?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, well he's very active. Okay, huh, very active?
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Jerry maguire, does he run full speed?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Does he run down the tunnel when he when he
gets hurt on the field?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:45):
I think Cuba when Cuba Junior gets hurt.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Man, it's always it's always an angle that can show,
like him getting that hail kick to the butt. Like
his form is is pretty good. It's pretty strong for
warm Yeah, it really.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Is not bad for a weirdo man. Not bad at all.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah, I mean it is funny he calls him a
weird only because I mean the whole Oprah thing was
kind of I mean, I love her. It was you
never saw it, did you?
Speaker 6 (05:22):
You don't remember little ass jumped on the.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Couch.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Yeah, and he was the same height as Oprah on
the couch.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
And it was like, man, all the equity you build
up and mission impossible looking like a badass.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Like then you did that, You're.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Like, oh, like, who is this guy?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Happened there?
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Why is he here? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
That's kind of like social media though, too, Like there's
some people out there you'll know.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
And you're like, man, it's a cool dude.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
You see him on social media and you're like, oh.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
They're doing TikTok videos went wrong, Like that's not the
dance that you should be done if you want to
maintain the respect of those onlookers that well are onlooking. Yeah,
I hear you, man, I mean speaking of onlooking, I
mean I'll be on looking to see if Jalen hurts.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, that's great age.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
By the way, we.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Get an update on the injury report. It's been one
week and it's like it's the walking wounded, right, ass.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
All right, So here's what we've got. The betting line
first and foremost, because who cares about injuries. Let's talk
about gambling first fact. So the betting line is Philadelphia
a six and a half point favorite at home.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
It's come down. You know, it's six and some books too.
It was seven initially, and then with all the injury
news that what James Bradbury will be out the Kobe
Dean's on ir.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, so James Bradbury is out for Philadelphia. Fletcher Cox
is questionable.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
He's looking like he's going to give it a go though,
from what I've seen.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
Kenneth Gane his middle name Game. That's a great point,
is it. Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Mississippi State, scratch your head.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I feel like we get have some fun with that.
And I don't know if I want to do it.
I'm not trying to.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
I'll just said if his middle name was Game, and
you said his name like he was in trouble, you know,
like when your mom calls you when you're in trouble
when you're younger, and you have to come inside because
it's time to come inside, and they call you by
all three of your names. Yeah, and his middle name
was Game. Yeah, I thought I thought that would be
pretty interesting. Great point. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Read blank and Ship also is going to be out
in this game to the other Bradbury, Garrett Bradbury for
the Minnesota Vikings is going to be finish that one. Yeah, Yeah,
Kenneth Game is going to be out, and Jalen Carter
is going to be active, and based on what we
saw week one, apparently he was very dominant in his
week one appearance and his debut in the NF fell
(08:00):
against New England last week was kind of weird for
both teams though, because Minnesota got off to a hot start,
Kirk Cousins and Justin Jefferson were lighting up, Tampa Bay
lighting him up, and then the second half it is
his second half to Baker Mayfield struck. Yeah, Baker Mayfield
was able to pick up on these signs.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Is that right? Is that what it was?
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Yeah, what we said at halftime, there was a report
he was talking to guys, Hey, I know what cover
two is, no cover three is.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
When they do this, this is what they're gonna do.
And that's real, Like.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
That hit so easy. Well, like god, though, we don't
try to defenses don't try to disguise what their coverages are.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
No, you all just have your signals and you do it.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
We do.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
We have our signals and we did That's.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Why the offense just goes yep, all right there it is.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
He's going to beat they're going to begin Tampa two.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
That makes my life so easy. Yeah, I don't even
have to look at anything, and now I know exactly
what I'm going.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Like, did that dude just play the guitar? Like, okay,
banjo banjo left, here's spanjo left there.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Here's why that's all that stuff is so so important.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
In the NFL. It's like different than college.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
In college, like you might like, dudes might be trying
to play cover two, but it's like that their job.
So if they're supposed to have inside leverage, you know
the slot, you know, it might get broke from time
to time. He might not be able to match up
with that guy from time to time. But if you're
in the NFL and you're like, hey man, you gotta
play them with inside leverage. This is carrying.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
If he goes up to seem you're pass them off safety.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Like those guys are trained to do their job otherwise,
like you get benched, you get cut, you don't have
a job. And so for quarterbacks, when you're watching film
preparing for a game, you're looking for any little signal
that you see, and they do a specific coverage multiple times,
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you're saying, Okay, that's the signal. Once you get into
your game and you do it, you're looking to say,
this is their coverage for this, this is their adjustment
for this. Once you know those things, you can tear
up a defense hmmm, because you know those guys have
to play their leverage.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
They have to play that coverage.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
That's what they're doing. And so he allows you to,
like you could give me any passplots saying that route's
gonna be open, this is route, this route's gonna be open.
You're gonna usually have two of the five eligible that
should be open on any given play, depending on the coverage.
That's how players are designed, or they should be designed.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
At least defensive players be wanting to be seen too,
so they'd be like making hand gestures like here's the
strong side, there's this. Hey look look look, hey, hey,
Like what you really think about it?
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Wrote down? I got it, I got it off.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Wise off like we know that the why is off,
the why is removed. Okay, he's coming, He's motioning to
the other side like that. Think that used to be
the funny wise off, wise off.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So the fact, so the fact that Baker Mayfield was
able to pick up on this. You don't think they're
having a big freak out in the Vikings locker room
or the coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Isn't It's not a freak out.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
But they got to change up their You got to
address you don't want to that's.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
The hard thing.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Remember Brian Flores is a new defensive coordinator, so you've
got a new system. You don't want to make it
overly complicated, because what you're going to see from offenses
in the NFL, it's going to be overly complicated. You
can get new personnel, groupings, formations. I mean, there's gonna
be things that they do that they haven't shown in preseason.
So it puts pressure on the defense and now these
guys got to communicate in real time and it just
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it creates an issue. So I'll be curious to see
how Jalen Hurts and Nick Sirianni and the Eagles offense
handle it. They didn't look great Week one at times
a little sloppy, but did enough to get to win.
You know, they're one to no football team hosting the Vikings,
Vikings now owing one.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
So I mean after that pick six, mac Jones settled
down and that was a really good game. That was
actually a fun game to watch. So yeah, So now
we're we're already at a Thursday and Minnesota and the
numbers on teams starting zero to two that make the
playoffs not great, not ideal. Minnesota's on the road a
touchdown plus underdog against the defending NFC champions, so it
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feels like they could be in for one here. Kind
of a problem for the Minnesota Vikings, who are sitting
right now in the cellar with the crummy Chicago Bears
staring up at Green Bay and Detroit who are running
rough shot on the NFC North one weekend. So there's that.
There's a Thursday night football.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
I'm just in the division.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Oh they're awful, They're terrible. How about your guy Chase Claypool,
by the way, York, he might be a healthy scratch
this week because he was.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
So healthy one healthy scratch.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I got that modeling career though, so there's that that
being said.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
In a healthy scratch.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Yes, I'm just saying a lot of different directions.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
There's some ugly cats out there in the league.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Some guys know what they want to, you know, go
doing the don't football. He's got a career, wait for hi.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
Yeah, it's true. Some of them was just too ugly
to do that.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You know.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Jonas originally was a trip, was a triple threat.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
You know what was out here?
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Yeah, you know he was out there as a singer, actor, model, Yeah,
it's not true.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Model being number one on the list, singer being last,
definitely air guitarist, great point.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
You didn't play an instrument, Jonas.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
I can play a little bit. He used a tambourine.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
But in your band, though, like that can't a guy.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
That's one of the most impressive things when somebody can,
When somebody can play guitar and sing at the same time,
I like, that is really difficult to do, and there's
some people that make it look easy, like I could
not do that at all. I mean it's very difficult.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
But Jonas used to hold a herd monica. You know,
he never played it, but he held it in his
head every every once in a while you just hear
it go. It was like Elvis, you know, you ain't
mess it up too bad.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
It's like Elvis right, didn't even have didn't even know
to play guitar. He just had it nice little strap.
Probably wasn't even plugged in. Yeah, he never played guitar. Sure, Yeah,
there's a lot of a lot of musicians are full
of crap. Their strummers is what they are. They can't
play like a real guitarist. They can strum it so
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so like they can hit that like like drag the
pick or or like just strum the court. What if
you want to know there's anything you wanted to know
about the level of production on this show, Sam, play
the only Elvis drop you've got in the system six
or nine off.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
He was giving them the business.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
You are an idiot.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
That's definitely not an idiot, But.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Sound like that only dropped Sam, we for Elvis.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
Could you imagine that's Elvis being obviously Yeah that was.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
For a second I thought it was Sam.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
Could you imagine, my god, could you imagine like the
greatest singing stars of all time that are now gone
and deceased being a referre recruit to a game yeah,
what that would sound like great? I love it would
sounds great.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
All right, Yeah, good for them. I'm just hoping Al
Michaels gets a good game this year. That's all I'm
hoping for. We don't need him venting on.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
The I'm were hoping it's a good steak at halftime.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
Yeah, steaks yesterday, Burnt ends matter I did?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
He meant burnt ends and steak.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Yeah, well I made them them steaks and the burnt ends.
I burnt them, you know, charted them bad boys. Yeah, man,
did you mean to Yeah? Yeah, I meant too. They
were really good. There's something you Pittsburgh, I guess. So yeah,
I don't even really know.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
But the Chopper says. Chopper always calls He's like, yeah,
well done, Pittsburgh Police.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Yeah. I'm like, all right, we do like s well done. Yeah,
but but here's the thing. I know how to chart
it without overcooking it, Like center was still warm and
and red and reddish pink.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
That trust me, Chopper doesn't do it right.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Every steakhouse we go to, they're they're like, sir, excuse me,
what did you just say? And then like well done Pittsburgh,
and they're like are you no like medium well, and
they're like He's like no. Every time they're like, okay.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
My dad, is that way too well done?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
It's like ew, that's it's old school because well there's
there's a lot of people. Gosh, so my wife's family
is the same way to like everything well done. And
part of the logic is where they came from. There
wasn't you couldn't trust whether or not the meat was
so you've got to overcook it to make sure you
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kill all the bacteria.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Some things don't change, though.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Can always trust that meat?
Speaker 6 (17:18):
All right? Well, there you go. I mean is he lying? No, Yeah,
he's not. And that's why I had to stop right
there and let you take it from.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
The great Call.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
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Speaker 2 (17:40):
Right now, we turn it over to a Thursday tradition.
Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter at the MMQB. You can
get them on Twitter or x or whatever the hell
they're calling it now at Albert Breer, al what's happening?
Good morning?
Speaker 7 (17:52):
Do you what's happening? Guy?
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Good morning?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
All right, So let's get right to the biggest story
in the NFL thus farthest. He's in the Aaron Rodgers injury.
What's the planet quarterback? What are you hearing? Are they
reaching out to veterans? Who's most likely to come in?
Are they just going to rock with Zach Wilson and
Tim Boyle?
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Well?
Speaker 7 (18:12):
I think they will add a veteran backup of some sort.
You know, Joe Douglas at GM there has some connections
to a couple of guys who are available. Nick Foles,
he was with him in Philadelphia. Carson Wentz would be
another one. But you know, I know that the idea
for at least right now is to put a United
Front up behind Zach Wilson and give him some runway
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and see what he can make of the next couple
of months, you know. And I think it's sort of
an acknowledgment that there's not a better option out there
right now. You know. It's also I think sort of
where they were at, you know, when they when they
went into this whole thing and that they didn't think
Zach Wilson was completely a lost cause. And I can
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remember talking to Robert Sala about this a few times,
and that he felt like Zach Wilson just needed to
have the pause button hit on his career and he
needed things to slow down a little bit, and they
would have cast Zach Wilton behind Roger.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
This is standard standard brewersh oh Man.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
It's like every single week.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Hey, Lee, can we reconnect with the leader?
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Laughs?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Reconnecting with it?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Okay, before Brewer comes on, we start taking a poll
and you're like a bet of if brew have a
bad connection.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I think he's got one more cut out in him.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
He's got one more in him.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I think, so this on.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
This one, sure, if it's at one and a half,
are we taking over under?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
It's like does every other radio interview he does have
this issue.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
It's just USO's so we could get Honestly, I don't
think it's actually real. I think this is now part.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Of a bit.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
This is like Albert's Albert Rose his trademark, you know, it's.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Like something it's a little controversial.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
He's like, yeah, it's kind of like his bat flip,
you know, everybody's got that. You know, that's his Albert
Breers bat flip? Are you go?
Speaker 6 (20:17):
Abs back?
Speaker 7 (20:18):
I feel like, do you guys think I can have
a voice that's like staticky or whatever?
Speaker 4 (20:23):
For you guys, does this happened on any other radio interview.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
I have had? Yeah, there's another radio station that I
work quite a bit with that. Uh, my phone is
a bit for them too. I don't know. I think
it's the town I live in. I think that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
That damn Nantucket. Man, it'll get you every time.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
Anyway. But what I was trying to say about.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
That, so you're a believer in Zach Wilson be a
pro bowler, is what you're saying.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Yeah, what I'm saying is the Jets. The Jets didn't
think there was something there to continue to develop. They
wouldn't have They wouldn't have him. I don't think it
would have been good for him. It wouldn't have been
good for them based on where he was drafted. But
they really did feel like the best thing for the
team was let's go get Aaron Rodgers because the opportunity
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is obviously out there to do that, and then let's
see if hitting the reset button and pausing and slowing
things down a little bit with Zach Wilson and develop
developing him behind Aaron Rodgers would work better. And I
don't think they felt like it was a sure thing
that it was going to work out over time, but
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like they did at least want to give it, give
that a shot. Now, obviously because of the injury, everything's
been fast forwarded a little bit, but I know they
felt like he made some progress to the point where
he's their best option right now.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Yeah, here's the thing is, I'm not buying any of that. So,
like Robert Sawa that jet, I think said whatever they want.
The reality is they made him. It was the number
two overall pick. They were pocumitted. Yeah, and so they're
trying to save face with all this, Joe Douglas, you know,
they're all trying to save face.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
That's fine.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I think in regards Toak Wilson and and LaVar and
I kind of you touched on this earlier, like this
is gonna be a good thing. This might be the
best thing that happened to him, because either he's gonna
play better, he's he's going to have grown and matured,
which you'd hope. So with another off season, another preseason,
Aaron Rodgers helping out, and and this roster, you know,
continuing to grow around the quarterback position too. So either
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he's gonna he's gonna swim or he's gonna sink. And
and then they can definitively move on because everything you
just said right there, Albert doesn't make sense. If Rogers
is gonna play for two or three years, and and
you've got Wilson a re contract with it, have to
pick up a fifth year option.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
So what are you gonna extend Brady is that they
didn't know. They didn't know if Rogers now he says
he's gonna play two years. That's what he said to
them when he's when he's two years, maybe for you,
but you don't know. I sure like this guy changes.
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This guy changes his mind every five minutes.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
So like, okay, so so hold on, hold on, So
so hold on, let's play us out. Let's say Rogers
had stayed healthy, Wilson didn't play it all this year,
they got to make a decision on the fifth year option.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
They're picking it up or not?
Speaker 7 (23:12):
Probably not because it's so okay.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
So then so then Rogers decides to come back for
another year, right because he's contracted to and the guarantees
and so forth. And then then he's gonna hit free
agency because he because if assuming Wilson wasn't going to play,
he becomes a free agent.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
So you can understand what I'm saying, there's no logic.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
What I understand what you can you trade.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Him and get value. You trade them and get value
for the pick.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
But what sort of value are you going to get
for him at this point?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I mean I would say that something is better than nothing,
Like there's like, hey, you know you don't go broke
taking a profit.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Something's better than nothing?
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Yeah, I mean, like, but fine, I mean, just is
it worth like pawning them off for a fourth round pick?
Like so you think that there's still a glimmer of
hope that you can develop him for the net, like
behind Aaron Rodgers for a year or two, you can
develop him and maybe you get a different player in
the back ends at I.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Mean, look, I think I think being somewhere else where,
he's going to get a lot more reps. I don't
think you get development of this level from practice.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I'm team Breer, I'm team Q.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Okay, but all right, So I just look like I
just think a huge part of this is context to Brady, right,
And it's like when you draft the guy's second overall
and you're rebuilding with the Jets were two years ago.
That's different than what they're going to be asking him
to do now. Like, and I think what they're going
to be asking him to do now is much different.
So the context that he's coming into this whole situation
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is a lot different. And like, I just like I
think the idea that like the idea that he would
learn from Aaron Rodgers and he'd get to develop behind
Aaron Rodgers and there was no pressure on him this
offseason and like he could work on himself this offseason
and and all of it wasn't on him all season.
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I think I know people in that building felt like
a benefit or over the last four or five.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Albert, I know I know now, but now you do.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
But if you have a better.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Did we say like, hey, he needs to take a
pause on his career.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Okay, but like let's say let's say let's say what
what I just talked about the last five or six months,
Let's say that that caused him to take a step
in his development or two steps in his development, just right,
and now you're asking and now, but but now, but
now he's walking onto this. Now you're asking now when
he goes back into the game, you're asking a whole
lot less of him because your expectation of him isn't
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as high. So you're gonna lean on Breese Hall and
Dalvin Cook and that you more.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
You're gonna run the football, you play great defense.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
That's what it sounds like. That's the exact same formula
had last exact same for him. I'm with you, but
I know what.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
They lost that formula when Brisaw, when Breshall got hurt.
They lost that formula degree. So like, I just think
that the context of what you're putting them into is
different now. So like let's see how that goes, you know,
And to me, it's look, I mean, if there was
if Matthew Stafford was available, I think they would look
at that. There's nothing like that available right now as
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the problem.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
You know, not even some of these other veteran guys
that like maybe are heading into the last year they're
going to be with those teams. None of these teams
one of par ways.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Like who'd you bring up? I hear Brian Tannehill. I mean,
you could make that phone call, Like, I think that
that might make some sense to make that phone call,
But I mean, how how much further does that get you?
Are you competing for a championship.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Then I would I would feel a lot more confident
Ryan Tannehill coming there as my quarterback than I would
be with the scenario right now.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Because because here, here's here's.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
The unfortunate thing.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Here's here's unfortunate thing that you have, Albert.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
That's the second that Wilson goes in and plays and
it looks anything like last year, the fan base turns
on him again. Yeah, because they because you've already risen
their expectations and their excitement with Rogers and now and look,
it was a collective like, oh no, we've got to
go back to.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
This in the locker room because and I'm with you
on that. The locker room could quote on you too,
you know what I mean, Like, yeah, I'm with you
on that, and I just but I do think, like, look, Greg,
part of the problem is a timing too, and I
think that this is a major piece of it. If
we were in week seven or week eight and close
to the trade deadline, and you had teams out there,
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like let's say at that point the Titans are two
and five. Right now, we're talking about something that's a
little bit different. And I think that that's where the
timing sets up here where you can give Zack Wilson
a month, you can give him six weeks.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
And I don't I don't think he has that longer.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
He doesn't have that long.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
You've got a bye week week six. You've got to
have someone in there that if like you want him
to take over for Zach Wilson, that's what you're aiming for.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
You got to do it now.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
You give Zack Wilson week five, and if he doesn't
look like he's going to be the guy, you better
have someone in there that's ready to go, that gets
two two weeks to prepare for that week seven game.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Correct.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
Yeah, And so what I'm what I'm saying, Brady is like,
right now, you're not gonna have a lot of veteran
quarterbacks that are going to be a bit like Mike
Rabel's not trading Ryan Tannehill right now, ok, Matt Ryan,
Mike Brabel might trade him. Mike Brabel might trade him
if he's one and four, right, like, so I.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Understand that, But what about Matt Ryan?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
What about Matt Ryan?
Speaker 7 (28:31):
So that's an interesting name, like, so I think I
think that one, like to me, is different than like
a Philip Rivers or Tom Brady hail Mary, because Matt
Ryan played last year, like and I know he hasn't
completely shut the door I'm playing. So that would be
one that I would definitely look at and say, I
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would look at that, and I would say, let's bring
Matt Ryan in here as the backup for now, right,
and let's see how Zach Wilson hands of that. And
if he doesn't handle that, well, then we've got our starter, right.
So I think that that sort of scenario could make
some sense. But I mean, as far as making a
trade right now, I would I could see where you
would want to wait a month, six weeks to see
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what teams sink to the bottom of the standings, what
quarterbacks might be available, because I think maybe the worst
thing you can do is trading as that for something
that's just blah right now, when in October there could
be something better available because team X, Y or Z
fell off the map.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Hashtag team Breer, hashtag team no No, no no, that we won.
That's we won.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
That.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
That's a ten eight for Breer. Easy to score.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
There because my phone actually held up. My phone is
the winner because my phone.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Your phone did hold up? Did Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Hold?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Who knew Albert before we let you go? The result
this weekend? Poor performance that surprised you the most. A
team that just looked awful. That surprised you the most.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
I know one, I.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
Mean Cincinnati, maybe Cincinnattie. Like I I don't know, maybe
I expected too much, but I mean that was and
I don't I think it's gonna be fine. Like I
think I'm winning the super Bowl. I'm not going to
back off of that. Just I mean, I don't know
if there's any gaming quality of that game.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah, damn oh abe he has to get fired up.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Damn it, jinks myself.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yeah you did, you did?
Speaker 6 (30:30):
All right?
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Jonas was right that I said one.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
More Well, listen, that's on Jonas for asking that last question.
That's what it really alterate Wilson like and decision making.
It was just a bad decision.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
Honestly, honestly, I'll follow the sword and it's not me.
I tried to do this while I was dropping my
kid off at school, So like that's probably the real problem.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
I think.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
For some reason, for some reason, yeah, he was tested too.
He of like he was like me and mugging me
the whole time. But I uh like, like it's my
fault because for some reason, just with you guys, I
got to be in like a stationary position for this
to work out, because usually if I'm like sitting on
my porch, it's just fine.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Yeah. Well, you know when you're in your car and
your car is moving, you know, the results can can
vary there. It is the result. The results of your
reception can can vary at times, Albert.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
So I'm telling you that's why I think it's the
town I live in.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Okay, Well, where do you live again?
Speaker 5 (31:33):
What's your home address?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Nantucket? Nantuck. He's in the Estates, Ohio state.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
Is traveling a Notre dame soon.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Hey, Albert, we appreciate it. Get him on Twitter at
Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at the mm QB and
we'll do it again next week. All right, all right, guys,
my guy al for Brier there, my guy al for Brier.
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Speaker 2 (32:40):
So Week two in the NFL kicks off later on tonight.
The current betting line for you wonderful degenerate gamblers out
there that we appreciate, we love so much, we love
you is Philadelphia. The Philadelphia Eagles a six point six
and a half point favorite hosting the Minnesota Vikings. So
short at home seems to generally favor the home team,
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even though Philly looked a little shaky in that second half,
and Minnesota's got some issues like tipping off their their
defensive signals to quarterbacks like Baker Mayfield. But nonetheless, we're
going to get Philadelphia and Minnesota later on tonight. But
there is a conversation that has popped back up over
the past few days since the Aaron Rodgers injury on
Monday night, grass versus turf? Oh yeah, what can be done?
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You got the NFLPA asking for a change, You've got
all of this stuff they're demanding.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Jonas A's a difference.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah. I mean Roger Goodell, I believe, was also on
ESPN and he was talking with Steven A. Smith just
about the potential of some surface changes and getting something done.
And he's having a sit down in a back and
forth with Steven A. And this is how it sounded.
Speaker 8 (33:53):
If the players themselves gave the impression that they would
rather play on grass as opposed to artificial tis what
would be the NFL's response to an assertion like that.
If they said that to you, guys, what would you say.
Speaker 9 (34:06):
Well, they have said that in many cases, but you
also have other players who like playing on a.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Turf field because it's faster, that's sure.
Speaker 9 (34:13):
So you've got you know, you've got a mixed opinions.
What we want to go is on science. We want
to go on what's the best from an injury standpoint
to prevent the injuries, to give our players the best,
best possible surface to play on.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
So that was Roger Goodell talking on the end.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
He's so full of crap.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
Oh geez.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
I've never heard of players say, first off, if you're
fast and just because the turf is fast, okay, you're
gonna be fast on grass.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
Can be fast on turf, it don't matter.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
I mean, I just look, players care about the surface,
whether it's turf or field turf. In field turf, they
feel like they've got a greater chance of injury. It's
hard on their body if it's if it's real natural grass,
they're concerned about the footing.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Like we saw in the super Bowl this pass.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
There's there's always a concern about it in some capacity,
and it's either born out of injury prevention or concern
over injury or an end performance. And if you asked
a player, I think in probably eighty to ninety percent
of the cases, which one they're more concerned about. They
would all say, if I can play on a service
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that's going to limit my injury risk. I'm taking that
every time. And that's natural grass, not turf. I mean,
maybe you see a different LeVar, but that's how I
see it.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
I mean, I think the debate is always going to
be the debate in terms of what you prefer. But
I mean, if I were to say what my personal
preference would have been, it would be natural grass. That's
just what I want.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
I've never known any player to like any artificial turf
over natural grass.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Did you play with guys that like that?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I mean maybe there were a few.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
I don't. I never really took inventory like that. I never,
I really, just I just I don't know. Only time
I'd ever take inventory on surfaces is if the surface
was was poor, like if it was just a mud
bath of a of a field, or if it was raining,
and that was just more or less what what bottoms,
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what type of cleats am I going to use on?
I never looked at it, And maybe I'm guilty of that.
I guess I was spoiled being coming from an agricultural school.
I just never really looked at Yeah, I just never
took inventory of what the field surfaces, you know, other
than like I said, like Michigan. You go into Michigan,
you'd be like this fricking stinks, like you're picking up
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chunks of grass and putting it back in Like think
about this, like.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
That flows yeah, right right right.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
But but I'm saying for me, when I was playing
my mind, my mind didn't go to the field unless
it really became an issue, like, Oh, I'm trying to
take off on a blitz and I look back after
slipping like crazy to try to get off of the
ball to go blitz, and I literally like on like
a putting green or on on like a golf course.
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I got to go take a chunk of grass and
put it back into where it is that it just
got like totally pushed out of a divot, I believe, yeah,
And golf I guess it.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
I wouldn't even know how to Oh he's spelling something different.
Oh he's spelling something else. Uh damn. So so to me,
all of this is being sparked off of the Aaron
Rodgers injury and everybody talking about all the injuries that
take place and the surfaces on and met life and
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that very well could be accurate that these injuries are
taking place because of the surface.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
You're being so measured about this. This is like not
the LeVar that's on thee.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
But here's the thing, though, here's the thing. I think
that injury happens on any surface, just the way it
played out.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
That one exactly, Like I do find to that point.
I do find it interesting that this injury is the
one they're like, oh my gosh, yeah, Like, dude, a
guy landed on him like it was gonna happen probably
no matter what.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
Literally landed on that man's leg like weight down, bloom,
like he's underneath them. He landed on them. Like you
can't say, oh, well, his foot would have given out
if if it was grass and not turf. His foot
you have, you have cleats on. You have cleats, whether
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it's dirt or whether it's clubber. You're going to get
caught into the surface when somebody's body lands on top
of your leg like that.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Can we play a game where you guys are the NFLPA,
I can act as the owner in this case, and
I love it.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
All right, let's get some game show music that would
be appropriate.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
I mean, it's not really a game. But let's get
some game show.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
Why not radio have fun with it? Oh all right,
Oh I like this. This is like that negotiating Apia
the Little Shark tank. All right, let's go.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
It's like, oh, Quinn versus Breer. This is like NFL films.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
You guys really played that out there. Look, here's what
I'm not gonna do for our listeners, for all our
devout listeners. I'm not gonna let someone come on our
show and spew some bs about what whatever they're getting
pushed by the team or some agent. All right, I'm
not gonna like that.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I don't know, man, I was I was really torn
on who won that.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
Oh no, I wasn't. Yeah, I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
All right, got thank you.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Well, you guys are the the NFLP in this case,
so you guys are probably pleading at some point to
an owner about or Roger Goodell in this case, about
having you know, natural turf laar.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I got this. Okay, go it, mister owner. Oh wow,
we've had it enough to hear in my hand? Is
that my Adams Apple. We're tired of playing on this
turf crap. We don't care how many concerts you're going
to roll in here. If these soccer teams from Istanbul
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can put on a friendly and get natural grass, we
demand that our game is played on natural grass moving forward.
So make a change now or else or you telling
them or else?
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Well's listen here, young man, listen here.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Do you is there a thing called a collective bargaining agreement?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Didn't you guys? Did you guys ask for this in
the collective bargain agreement that we negotiated over.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
No?
Speaker 4 (40:46):
No, well okay, here's how it works now there, son,
If you want something, you have to give up something
to get that in return. What are you willing to
give up? Uh?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
We won't up. Won't smoke weed as much.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
I'm talking not about that sort of green sun. Something
that's a little got a little more monetary value to it.
You know, us owners, See, if we're going to be
replacing this this field turf with half the fields now
field surf, we're gonna have to pay for it. We
have to pay for you know that the cost of
how much it costs to maintain it. And that's gonna
cost millions and millions of dollars seven eight figures a.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Year, all right, Well, okay, fine.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
And there's the end of discussion. Let's get let's be
real about this. This is about money. It's about private
who are saying who is going to put the bill
for this natural grass? Who is going to foot the
bill for putting in a system? Where like the other thing,
the other coveyat this whole conversation is if you're a
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team that doesn't have a dome and you won a
Super Bowl and you have to be up north, you
gotta build a new stadium, and you have to build
it in closed stadium. So the difficulty then becomes, Okay,
you're building a dome. Let's say you're Cleveland, for example,
place place Officer I played. You've got natural grass, great,
great grass, awesome grass. They did a tremendous job in Cleveland.
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But the problem is, now, if they want a super
Bowl there, what do they gotta do Build a new stadium,
put in a dome because they're not going to play
the super Bowl in February in Cleveland. Risk that sort
of whether it's going to impact the game, that's just
not where the NFL is at anymore. So if you
won a super Bowl, you want that economic stimulus to
your city. You got to build a new stadium, has
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to be a dome. If it's up north, all right,
that's fine. Well grass doesn't grow inside unless you have
one of those ridiculously expensive Well Arizona's different because it
doesn't grow inside.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
They rove it outside, right and then they move it in.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
But there is I believe it's Manchester United League and
probably check this out or maybe Sam knows. One of
them has like an indoor like U would be light system.
It's ridiculously expensive, but they can do it like you
can do it, but there's an expense to I think
it costs like twohundred fifty.
Speaker 6 (43:07):
You can grow weed indoors and they call it indo correct.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
Correct, There's there's all sorts of ways of growing a
lot of things indoors.
Speaker 6 (43:16):
Straight up, but they grow that indoors all day. Loan,
trust me.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
I've been to the valley out there and so like that.
It'd be real too, like super But you get the
general point. I mean, from what I've heard, there's an
expense to this. Who's gonna foot the bill? And then
on top of that, there's other places that aren't concerned about,
you know, putting in grass that they're like, Okay, how
do I get a Super Bowl? How do I? And
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then then the question becomes, all right, if I'm having
a dome, I don't have all these concerts and different things.
You know, you're gonna be tearing up the grass and
gret You could put some down some of their artificial
you know, surface for those events, But there's a lot
more money in that, I think people realize. And unless
the NFLPA is willing to give up a portion of
the revenue share to pay for this, that's probably the
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position the owners are going to take. Otherwise, that's got
to be your number one priority heading into the next CBA,
which isn't due for quite some time. And your other
option is okay, then you strike. Is this that big
of a deal with the players going to strike about it?
Speaker 2 (44:21):
No, there is some irony to this because I remember
when the CBA was signed last time, Aaron Rodgers was
one of the most vocal as far as yeah, clearly
some guys didn't read this through. Clearly some guys just
signed off on this, and the owners once again got
one over on us. And yet here we are, all
these years later and they're trying to.
Speaker 6 (44:37):
Aaron Rodgers is the recipient of Clearly those guys should
have read it more. You think he's sitting somewhere right
now like those mother efforts did not read the fine print.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
It doesn't matter if people did, like they could read
the fine print, and it's like, what's your recourse, right,
even if you don't like the deal. I mean, look,
I was on the calls during the lockown out and
there are players then in leadership positions who are pushing
that deal. It wasn't a good deal. I mean, the
reality is the owners have continually wiped the mat with
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the players union since de Marie Smith took over.
Speaker 5 (45:16):
They've been slowly giving away ground.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
Now they've made some strides here and there, small incumental,
you know, strides in various areas, but there's never been
one or two or three big issues that are wins
for the NFLPA like there are for the owners. And honestly,
you know, it usually always comes down to money, and
this is one where you have to have enough owners
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that say, an injury to Aaron Rodgers hurts my bottom
line so much that it's worth it for me to
put in grass Allah what Steve Bushatti did in Baltimore.
They used to be field surf. They went to grass
because they have Lamar Jackson. They said, we aren't going
to risk this with our players. That obviously happened after that.
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Steve Smith seen your injury. But you gotta have an
owner that wants to do it. He has to be
able to say this is what I'm gonna do for
the best interest of my players and take on that expense.
Otherwise it ain't happening. It's not gonna be collectively a bargain.
The union can be upset all they want, it's not
gonna change
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Radio Week two already here in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Yeah yeah, baby, who's fired up for week two?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Who's fired up for Kirk Cousins in prime time?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I am yeah, hold.
Speaker 5 (00:26):
On, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
He's actually been really good on Thursday night though, at
least of late if you count Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, but yeah, I mean, why wouldn't you count Thanksgiving?
That makes sense because the time yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
You know, this goes back some years.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I mean, this is this is an age old conversation
where remember we talked about the internal body clock of
Kirk Cousins. It's like, for whatever reason, after like one
at one pm Eastern, four pm Eastern, it usually hasn't
worked out.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Well, yeah, maybe it's just a morning person slash early
afternoon everything from there's downhill.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
You know, maybe you had a theory on this, you
were you were kind of like, hey, man, people some
people just you know better, like when they do something
consistently at a certain time.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, I mean I would some would call it, oh yeah,
you know.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
A serial killer. Yeah, just where I was going, Yeah,
like lunatic.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Although he was a vigilantes. It's a little different.
Speaker 6 (01:27):
I never really watched Dexter.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
It was a great show, but he was.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
So he was a vigilante, but he was killing people though, right.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
But bad people.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Those are bad people that he didn't want the cops
to get to him first, and so he would.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Take about So my thing is like, what if two
years from them being that bad person they turned into
a good person. Had Dexter not get to him. It's
a conversation for another time. There's something to think about.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
You know, I don't think I don't think that was
gonna happen.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
When going to happen?
Speaker 5 (01:56):
I mean, these are pretty bad people.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Is this the Dexter theme song?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Listen, there's one show of record on Showtime and it's
Ray Donovan. Everything else can kiss.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Dexter was a better series than Ray Donovan. Ray Donovan
is Good was a better You.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Like Dexter better than Ray Donovan? I do you just
lost your Irish car?
Speaker 6 (02:15):
I'm going to them both.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I don't think that's the case.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
But uh, I'm just telling you. You think he's right Coop? Yeah? Okay? Yeah? Interesting?
Speaker 5 (02:25):
And so you watch Dexter. You you really can't comment.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
They're both great shows, but the first like three or
four seasons of Dexter all time.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Ray Donovan got a little like a times like okay,
but they were both killing people, right, yes, but in
an entirely different way. Dexter will like creep you out.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, well listen. I don't know if Kirk Cousins has
killed anybody.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
But yeah, LeVar, thanks for taking this.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
I didn't want to go down for I didn't want
to go down, but they might get I mean, it
was interesting, get your commentary.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I learned a little bit more about you this morning.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Cue right.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
You enjoy watching different types of killers and how they
do it?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
That was just different.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It's all good man.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
I see that your analytics or your your analyzation, or
however you call it of topics does not differ or
change from topic to topic category, by the way, like
you're actually well well rounded in the things that you
know a lot about. Oh yeah, like even serial killer. Yeah,
there's there's nothing. There's nothing you ever seen? Analysis was
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was flawless.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You ever seen Days of Thunder says there's nothing I
can't do in a race car. There's nothing. Yeah, that's
just that's just what he does. Man.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
There a movie. Is there a movie that Tom Cruise
has ever been in that exists where he did not
run full speed? Is there one movie that you.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Have, becaues he looks so good running?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Can I have one?
Speaker 6 (04:02):
He I loves watching himself.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I have one? There is one born on the fourth
of July. What, well, he's in a wheelchair? Oh he
is making that up. How does he run out the
beginning of the movie A wart scene in the beginning?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Maybe he before he plays Ron Cocher.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
I can't think of one movie where he doesn't run
full speed?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Cocktail?
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Does he run at full speed in Cocktail?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah he does?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
What?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, well he's very active. Okay, huh, very active?
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Jerry maguire, does he run full speed?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Does he run down the tunnel when he when he
gets hurt on the field?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:45):
I think Cuba when Cuba Junior gets hurt.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Man, it's always it's always an angle that can show,
like him getting that hail kick to the butt. Like
his form is is pretty good. It's pretty strong for
warm Yeah, it really.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Is not bad for a weirdo man. Not bad at all.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah, I mean it is funny he calls him a
weird only because I mean the whole Oprah thing was
kind of I mean, I love her. It was you
never saw it, did you?
Speaker 6 (05:22):
You don't remember little ass jumped on the.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Couch.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Yeah, and he was the same height as Oprah on
the couch.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
And it was like, man, all the equity you build
up and mission impossible looking like a badass.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Like then you did that, You're.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Like, oh, like, who is this guy?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Happened there?
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Why is he here? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
That's kind of like social media though, too, Like there's
some people out there you'll know.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
And you're like, man, it's a cool dude.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
You see him on social media and you're like, oh.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
They're doing TikTok videos went wrong, Like that's not the
dance that you should be done if you want to
maintain the respect of those onlookers that well are onlooking. Yeah,
I hear you, man, I mean speaking of onlooking, I
mean I'll be on looking to see if Jalen hurts.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, that's great age.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
By the way, we.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Get an update on the injury report. It's been one
week and it's like it's the walking wounded, right, ass.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
All right, So here's what we've got. The betting line
first and foremost, because who cares about injuries. Let's talk
about gambling first fact. So the betting line is Philadelphia
a six and a half point favorite at home.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
It's come down. You know, it's six and some books too.
It was seven initially, and then with all the injury
news that what James Bradbury will be out the Kobe
Dean's on ir.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, so James Bradbury is out for Philadelphia. Fletcher Cox
is questionable.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
He's looking like he's going to give it a go though,
from what I've seen.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
Kenneth Gane his middle name Game. That's a great point,
is it. Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Mississippi State, scratch your head.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I feel like we get have some fun with that.
And I don't know if I want to do it.
I'm not trying to.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
I'll just said if his middle name was Game, and
you said his name like he was in trouble, you know,
like when your mom calls you when you're in trouble
when you're younger, and you have to come inside because
it's time to come inside, and they call you by
all three of your names. Yeah, and his middle name
was Game. Yeah, I thought I thought that would be
pretty interesting. Great point. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Read blank and Ship also is going to be out
in this game to the other Bradbury, Garrett Bradbury for
the Minnesota Vikings is going to be finish that one. Yeah, Yeah,
Kenneth Game is going to be out, and Jalen Carter
is going to be active, and based on what we
saw week one, apparently he was very dominant in his
week one appearance and his debut in the NF fell
(08:00):
against New England last week was kind of weird for
both teams though, because Minnesota got off to a hot start,
Kirk Cousins and Justin Jefferson were lighting up, Tampa Bay
lighting him up, and then the second half it is
his second half to Baker Mayfield struck. Yeah, Baker Mayfield
was able to pick up on these signs.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Is that right? Is that what it was?
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Yeah, what we said at halftime, there was a report
he was talking to guys, Hey, I know what cover
two is, no cover three is.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
When they do this, this is what they're gonna do.
And that's real, Like.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
That hit so easy. Well, like god, though, we don't
try to defenses don't try to disguise what their coverages are.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
No, you all just have your signals and you do it.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
We do.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
We have our signals and we did That's.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Why the offense just goes yep, all right there it is.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
He's going to beat they're going to begin Tampa two.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
That makes my life so easy. Yeah, I don't even
have to look at anything, and now I know exactly
what I'm going.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Like, did that dude just play the guitar? Like, okay,
banjo banjo left, here's spanjo left there.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Here's why that's all that stuff is so so important.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
In the NFL. It's like different than college.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
In college, like you might like, dudes might be trying
to play cover two, but it's like that their job.
So if they're supposed to have inside leverage, you know
the slot, you know, it might get broke from time
to time. He might not be able to match up
with that guy from time to time. But if you're
in the NFL and you're like, hey man, you gotta
play them with inside leverage. This is carrying.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
If he goes up to seem you're pass them off safety.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Like those guys are trained to do their job otherwise,
like you get benched, you get cut, you don't have
a job. And so for quarterbacks, when you're watching film
preparing for a game, you're looking for any little signal
that you see, and they do a specific coverage multiple times,
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you're saying, Okay, that's the signal. Once you get into
your game and you do it, you're looking to say,
this is their coverage for this, this is their adjustment
for this. Once you know those things, you can tear
up a defense hmmm, because you know those guys have
to play their leverage.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
They have to play that coverage.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
That's what they're doing. And so he allows you to,
like you could give me any passplots saying that route's
gonna be open, this is route, this route's gonna be open.
You're gonna usually have two of the five eligible that
should be open on any given play, depending on the coverage.
That's how players are designed, or they should be designed.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
At least defensive players be wanting to be seen too,
so they'd be like making hand gestures like here's the
strong side, there's this. Hey look look look, hey, hey,
Like what you really think about it?
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Wrote down? I got it, I got it off.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Wise off like we know that the why is off,
the why is removed. Okay, he's coming, He's motioning to
the other side like that. Think that used to be
the funny wise off, wise off.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So the fact, so the fact that Baker Mayfield was
able to pick up on this. You don't think they're
having a big freak out in the Vikings locker room
or the coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Isn't It's not a freak out.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
But they got to change up their You got to
address you don't want to that's.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
The hard thing.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Remember Brian Flores is a new defensive coordinator, so you've
got a new system. You don't want to make it
overly complicated, because what you're going to see from offenses
in the NFL, it's going to be overly complicated. You
can get new personnel, groupings, formations. I mean, there's gonna
be things that they do that they haven't shown in preseason.
So it puts pressure on the defense and now these
guys got to communicate in real time and it just
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it creates an issue. So I'll be curious to see
how Jalen Hurts and Nick Sirianni and the Eagles offense
handle it. They didn't look great Week one at times
a little sloppy, but did enough to get to win.
You know, they're one to no football team hosting the Vikings,
Vikings now owing one.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
So I mean after that pick six, mac Jones settled
down and that was a really good game. That was
actually a fun game to watch. So yeah, So now
we're we're already at a Thursday and Minnesota and the
numbers on teams starting zero to two that make the
playoffs not great, not ideal. Minnesota's on the road a
touchdown plus underdog against the defending NFC champions, so it
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feels like they could be in for one here. Kind
of a problem for the Minnesota Vikings, who are sitting
right now in the cellar with the crummy Chicago Bears
staring up at Green Bay and Detroit who are running
rough shot on the NFC North one weekend. So there's that.
There's a Thursday night football.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
I'm just in the division.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Oh they're awful, They're terrible. How about your guy Chase Claypool,
by the way, York, he might be a healthy scratch
this week because he was.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
So healthy one healthy scratch.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I got that modeling career though, so there's that that
being said.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
In a healthy scratch.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Yes, I'm just saying a lot of different directions.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
There's some ugly cats out there in the league.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Some guys know what they want to, you know, go
doing the don't football. He's got a career, wait for hi.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
Yeah, it's true. Some of them was just too ugly
to do that.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You know.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Jonas originally was a trip, was a triple threat.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
You know what was out here?
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Yeah, you know he was out there as a singer, actor, model, Yeah,
it's not true.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Model being number one on the list, singer being last,
definitely air guitarist, great point.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
You didn't play an instrument, Jonas.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
I can play a little bit. He used a tambourine.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
But in your band, though, like that can't a guy.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
That's one of the most impressive things when somebody can,
When somebody can play guitar and sing at the same time,
I like, that is really difficult to do, and there's
some people that make it look easy, like I could
not do that at all. I mean it's very difficult.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
But Jonas used to hold a herd monica. You know,
he never played it, but he held it in his
head every every once in a while you just hear
it go. It was like Elvis, you know, you ain't
mess it up too bad.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
It's like Elvis right, didn't even have didn't even know
to play guitar. He just had it nice little strap.
Probably wasn't even plugged in. Yeah, he never played guitar. Sure, Yeah,
there's a lot of a lot of musicians are full
of crap. Their strummers is what they are. They can't
play like a real guitarist. They can strum it so
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so like they can hit that like like drag the
pick or or like just strum the court. What if
you want to know there's anything you wanted to know
about the level of production on this show, Sam, play
the only Elvis drop you've got in the system six
or nine off.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
He was giving them the business.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
You are an idiot.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
That's definitely not an idiot, But.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Sound like that only dropped Sam, we for Elvis.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
Could you imagine that's Elvis being obviously Yeah that was.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
For a second I thought it was Sam.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
Could you imagine, my god, could you imagine like the
greatest singing stars of all time that are now gone
and deceased being a referre recruit to a game yeah,
what that would sound like great? I love it would
sounds great.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
All right, Yeah, good for them. I'm just hoping Al
Michaels gets a good game this year. That's all I'm
hoping for. We don't need him venting on.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
The I'm were hoping it's a good steak at halftime.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
Yeah, steaks yesterday, Burnt ends matter I did?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
He meant burnt ends and steak.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Yeah, well I made them them steaks and the burnt ends.
I burnt them, you know, charted them bad boys. Yeah, man,
did you mean to Yeah? Yeah, I meant too. They
were really good. There's something you Pittsburgh, I guess. So yeah,
I don't even really know.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
But the Chopper says. Chopper always calls He's like, yeah,
well done, Pittsburgh Police.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Yeah. I'm like, all right, we do like s well done. Yeah,
but but here's the thing. I know how to chart
it without overcooking it, Like center was still warm and
and red and reddish pink.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
That trust me, Chopper doesn't do it right.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Every steakhouse we go to, they're they're like, sir, excuse me,
what did you just say? And then like well done Pittsburgh,
and they're like are you no like medium well, and
they're like He's like no. Every time they're like, okay.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
My dad, is that way too well done?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
It's like ew, that's it's old school because well there's
there's a lot of people. Gosh, so my wife's family
is the same way to like everything well done. And
part of the logic is where they came from. There
wasn't you couldn't trust whether or not the meat was
so you've got to overcook it to make sure you
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kill all the bacteria.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Some things don't change, though.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Can always trust that meat?
Speaker 6 (17:18):
All right? Well, there you go. I mean is he lying? No, Yeah,
he's not. And that's why I had to stop right
there and let you take it from.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
The great Call.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
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Speaker 2 (17:40):
Right now, we turn it over to a Thursday tradition.
Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter at the MMQB. You can
get them on Twitter or x or whatever the hell
they're calling it now at Albert Breer, al what's happening?
Good morning?
Speaker 7 (17:52):
Do you what's happening? Guy?
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Good morning?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
All right, So let's get right to the biggest story
in the NFL thus farthest. He's in the Aaron Rodgers injury.
What's the planet quarterback? What are you hearing? Are they
reaching out to veterans? Who's most likely to come in?
Are they just going to rock with Zach Wilson and
Tim Boyle?
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Well?
Speaker 7 (18:12):
I think they will add a veteran backup of some sort.
You know, Joe Douglas at GM there has some connections
to a couple of guys who are available. Nick Foles,
he was with him in Philadelphia. Carson Wentz would be
another one. But you know, I know that the idea
for at least right now is to put a United
Front up behind Zach Wilson and give him some runway
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and see what he can make of the next couple
of months, you know. And I think it's sort of
an acknowledgment that there's not a better option out there
right now. You know. It's also I think sort of
where they were at, you know, when they when they
went into this whole thing and that they didn't think
Zach Wilson was completely a lost cause. And I can
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remember talking to Robert Sala about this a few times,
and that he felt like Zach Wilson just needed to
have the pause button hit on his career and he
needed things to slow down a little bit, and they
would have cast Zach Wilton behind Roger.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
This is standard standard brewersh oh Man.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
It's like every single week.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Hey, Lee, can we reconnect with the leader?
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Laughs?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Reconnecting with it?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Okay, before Brewer comes on, we start taking a poll
and you're like a bet of if brew have a
bad connection.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I think he's got one more cut out in him.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
He's got one more in him.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I think, so this on.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
This one, sure, if it's at one and a half,
are we taking over under?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
It's like does every other radio interview he does have
this issue.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
It's just USO's so we could get Honestly, I don't
think it's actually real. I think this is now part.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Of a bit.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
This is like Albert's Albert Rose his trademark, you know, it's.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Like something it's a little controversial.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
He's like, yeah, it's kind of like his bat flip,
you know, everybody's got that. You know, that's his Albert
Breers bat flip? Are you go?
Speaker 6 (20:17):
Abs back?
Speaker 7 (20:18):
I feel like, do you guys think I can have
a voice that's like staticky or whatever?
Speaker 4 (20:23):
For you guys, does this happened on any other radio interview.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
I have had? Yeah, there's another radio station that I
work quite a bit with that. Uh, my phone is
a bit for them too. I don't know. I think
it's the town I live in. I think that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
That damn Nantucket. Man, it'll get you every time.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
Anyway. But what I was trying to say about.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
That, so you're a believer in Zach Wilson be a
pro bowler, is what you're saying.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Yeah, what I'm saying is the Jets. The Jets didn't
think there was something there to continue to develop. They
wouldn't have They wouldn't have him. I don't think it
would have been good for him. It wouldn't have been
good for them based on where he was drafted. But
they really did feel like the best thing for the
team was let's go get Aaron Rodgers because the opportunity
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is obviously out there to do that, and then let's
see if hitting the reset button and pausing and slowing
things down a little bit with Zach Wilson and develop
developing him behind Aaron Rodgers would work better. And I
don't think they felt like it was a sure thing
that it was going to work out over time, but
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like they did at least want to give it, give
that a shot. Now, obviously because of the injury, everything's
been fast forwarded a little bit, but I know they
felt like he made some progress to the point where
he's their best option right now.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Yeah, here's the thing is, I'm not buying any of that. So,
like Robert Sawa that jet, I think said whatever they want.
The reality is they made him. It was the number
two overall pick. They were pocumitted. Yeah, and so they're
trying to save face with all this, Joe Douglas, you know,
they're all trying to save face.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
That's fine.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I think in regards Toak Wilson and and LaVar and
I kind of you touched on this earlier, like this
is gonna be a good thing. This might be the
best thing that happened to him, because either he's gonna
play better, he's he's going to have grown and matured,
which you'd hope. So with another off season, another preseason,
Aaron Rodgers helping out, and and this roster, you know,
continuing to grow around the quarterback position too. So either
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he's gonna he's gonna swim or he's gonna sink. And
and then they can definitively move on because everything you
just said right there, Albert doesn't make sense. If Rogers
is gonna play for two or three years, and and
you've got Wilson a re contract with it, have to
pick up a fifth year option.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
So what are you gonna extend Brady is that they
didn't know. They didn't know if Rogers now he says
he's gonna play two years. That's what he said to
them when he's when he's two years, maybe for you,
but you don't know. I sure like this guy changes.
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This guy changes his mind every five minutes.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
So like, okay, so so hold on, hold on, So
so hold on, let's play us out. Let's say Rogers
had stayed healthy, Wilson didn't play it all this year,
they got to make a decision on the fifth year option.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
They're picking it up or not?
Speaker 7 (23:12):
Probably not because it's so okay.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
So then so then Rogers decides to come back for
another year, right because he's contracted to and the guarantees
and so forth. And then then he's gonna hit free
agency because he because if assuming Wilson wasn't going to play,
he becomes a free agent.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
So you can understand what I'm saying, there's no logic.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
What I understand what you can you trade.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Him and get value. You trade them and get value
for the pick.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
But what sort of value are you going to get
for him at this point?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I mean I would say that something is better than nothing,
Like there's like, hey, you know you don't go broke
taking a profit.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Something's better than nothing?
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Yeah, I mean, like, but fine, I mean, just is
it worth like pawning them off for a fourth round pick?
Like so you think that there's still a glimmer of
hope that you can develop him for the net, like
behind Aaron Rodgers for a year or two, you can
develop him and maybe you get a different player in
the back ends at I.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Mean, look, I think I think being somewhere else where,
he's going to get a lot more reps. I don't
think you get development of this level from practice.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I'm team Breer, I'm team Q.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Okay, but all right, So I just look like I
just think a huge part of this is context to Brady, right,
And it's like when you draft the guy's second overall
and you're rebuilding with the Jets were two years ago.
That's different than what they're going to be asking him
to do now. Like, and I think what they're going
to be asking him to do now is much different.
So the context that he's coming into this whole situation
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is a lot different. And like, I just like I
think the idea that like the idea that he would
learn from Aaron Rodgers and he'd get to develop behind
Aaron Rodgers and there was no pressure on him this
offseason and like he could work on himself this offseason
and and all of it wasn't on him all season.
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I think I know people in that building felt like
a benefit or over the last four or five.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Albert, I know I know now, but now you do.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
But if you have a better.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Did we say like, hey, he needs to take a
pause on his career.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Okay, but like let's say let's say let's say what
what I just talked about the last five or six months,
Let's say that that caused him to take a step
in his development or two steps in his development, just right,
and now you're asking and now, but but now, but
now he's walking onto this. Now you're asking now when
he goes back into the game, you're asking a whole
lot less of him because your expectation of him isn't
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as high. So you're gonna lean on Breese Hall and
Dalvin Cook and that you more.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
You're gonna run the football, you play great defense.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
That's what it sounds like. That's the exact same formula
had last exact same for him. I'm with you, but
I know what.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
They lost that formula when Brisaw, when Breshall got hurt.
They lost that formula degree. So like, I just think
that the context of what you're putting them into is
different now. So like let's see how that goes, you know,
And to me, it's look, I mean, if there was
if Matthew Stafford was available, I think they would look
at that. There's nothing like that available right now as
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the problem.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
You know, not even some of these other veteran guys
that like maybe are heading into the last year they're
going to be with those teams. None of these teams
one of par ways.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Like who'd you bring up? I hear Brian Tannehill. I mean,
you could make that phone call, Like, I think that
that might make some sense to make that phone call,
But I mean, how how much further does that get you?
Are you competing for a championship.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Then I would I would feel a lot more confident
Ryan Tannehill coming there as my quarterback than I would
be with the scenario right now.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Because because here, here's here's.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
The unfortunate thing.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Here's here's unfortunate thing that you have, Albert.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
That's the second that Wilson goes in and plays and
it looks anything like last year, the fan base turns
on him again. Yeah, because they because you've already risen
their expectations and their excitement with Rogers and now and look,
it was a collective like, oh no, we've got to
go back to.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
This in the locker room because and I'm with you
on that. The locker room could quote on you too,
you know what I mean, Like, yeah, I'm with you
on that, and I just but I do think, like, look, Greg,
part of the problem is a timing too, and I
think that this is a major piece of it. If
we were in week seven or week eight and close
to the trade deadline, and you had teams out there,
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like let's say at that point the Titans are two
and five. Right now, we're talking about something that's a
little bit different. And I think that that's where the
timing sets up here where you can give Zack Wilson
a month, you can give him six weeks.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
And I don't I don't think he has that longer.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
He doesn't have that long.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
You've got a bye week week six. You've got to
have someone in there that if like you want him
to take over for Zach Wilson, that's what you're aiming for.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
You got to do it now.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
You give Zack Wilson week five, and if he doesn't
look like he's going to be the guy, you better
have someone in there that's ready to go, that gets
two two weeks to prepare for that week seven game.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Correct.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
Yeah, And so what I'm what I'm saying, Brady is like,
right now, you're not gonna have a lot of veteran
quarterbacks that are going to be a bit like Mike
Rabel's not trading Ryan Tannehill right now, ok, Matt Ryan,
Mike Brabel might trade him. Mike Brabel might trade him
if he's one and four, right, like, so I.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Understand that, But what about Matt Ryan?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
What about Matt Ryan?
Speaker 7 (28:31):
So that's an interesting name, like, so I think I
think that one, like to me, is different than like
a Philip Rivers or Tom Brady hail Mary, because Matt
Ryan played last year, like and I know he hasn't
completely shut the door I'm playing. So that would be
one that I would definitely look at and say, I
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would look at that, and I would say, let's bring
Matt Ryan in here as the backup for now, right,
and let's see how Zach Wilson hands of that. And
if he doesn't handle that, well, then we've got our starter, right.
So I think that that sort of scenario could make
some sense. But I mean, as far as making a
trade right now, I would I could see where you
would want to wait a month, six weeks to see
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what teams sink to the bottom of the standings, what
quarterbacks might be available, because I think maybe the worst
thing you can do is trading as that for something
that's just blah right now, when in October there could
be something better available because team X, Y or Z
fell off the map.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Hashtag team Breer, hashtag team no No, no no, that we won.
That's we won.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
That.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
That's a ten eight for Breer. Easy to score.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
There because my phone actually held up. My phone is
the winner because my phone.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Your phone did hold up? Did Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Hold?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Who knew Albert before we let you go? The result
this weekend? Poor performance that surprised you the most. A
team that just looked awful. That surprised you the most.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
I know one, I.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
Mean Cincinnati, maybe Cincinnattie. Like I I don't know, maybe
I expected too much, but I mean that was and
I don't I think it's gonna be fine. Like I
think I'm winning the super Bowl. I'm not going to
back off of that. Just I mean, I don't know
if there's any gaming quality of that game.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah, damn oh abe he has to get fired up.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Damn it, jinks myself.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yeah you did, you did?
Speaker 6 (30:30):
All right?
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Jonas was right that I said one.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
More Well, listen, that's on Jonas for asking that last question.
That's what it really alterate Wilson like and decision making.
It was just a bad decision.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
Honestly, honestly, I'll follow the sword and it's not me.
I tried to do this while I was dropping my
kid off at school, So like that's probably the real problem.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
I think.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
For some reason, for some reason, yeah, he was tested too.
He of like he was like me and mugging me
the whole time. But I uh like, like it's my
fault because for some reason, just with you guys, I
got to be in like a stationary position for this
to work out, because usually if I'm like sitting on
my porch, it's just fine.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Yeah. Well, you know when you're in your car and
your car is moving, you know, the results can can
vary there. It is the result. The results of your
reception can can vary at times, Albert.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
So I'm telling you that's why I think it's the
town I live in.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Okay, Well, where do you live again?
Speaker 5 (31:33):
What's your home address?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Nantucket? Nantuck. He's in the Estates, Ohio state.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
Is traveling a Notre dame soon.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Hey, Albert, we appreciate it. Get him on Twitter at
Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at the mm QB and
we'll do it again next week. All right, all right, guys,
my guy al for Brier there, my guy al for Brier.
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Speaker 2 (32:40):
So Week two in the NFL kicks off later on tonight.
The current betting line for you wonderful degenerate gamblers out
there that we appreciate, we love so much, we love
you is Philadelphia. The Philadelphia Eagles a six point six
and a half point favorite hosting the Minnesota Vikings. So
short at home seems to generally favor the home team,
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even though Philly looked a little shaky in that second half,
and Minnesota's got some issues like tipping off their their
defensive signals to quarterbacks like Baker Mayfield. But nonetheless, we're
going to get Philadelphia and Minnesota later on tonight. But
there is a conversation that has popped back up over
the past few days since the Aaron Rodgers injury on
Monday night, grass versus turf? Oh yeah, what can be done?
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You got the NFLPA asking for a change, You've got
all of this stuff they're demanding.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Jonas A's a difference.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah. I mean Roger Goodell, I believe, was also on
ESPN and he was talking with Steven A. Smith just
about the potential of some surface changes and getting something done.
And he's having a sit down in a back and
forth with Steven A. And this is how it sounded.
Speaker 8 (33:53):
If the players themselves gave the impression that they would
rather play on grass as opposed to artificial tis what
would be the NFL's response to an assertion like that.
If they said that to you, guys, what would you say.
Speaker 9 (34:06):
Well, they have said that in many cases, but you
also have other players who like playing on a.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Turf field because it's faster, that's sure.
Speaker 9 (34:13):
So you've got you know, you've got a mixed opinions.
What we want to go is on science. We want
to go on what's the best from an injury standpoint
to prevent the injuries, to give our players the best,
best possible surface to play on.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
So that was Roger Goodell talking on the end.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
He's so full of crap.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
Oh geez.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
I've never heard of players say, first off, if you're
fast and just because the turf is fast, okay, you're
gonna be fast on grass.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
Can be fast on turf, it don't matter.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
I mean, I just look, players care about the surface,
whether it's turf or field turf. In field turf, they
feel like they've got a greater chance of injury. It's
hard on their body if it's if it's real natural grass,
they're concerned about the footing.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Like we saw in the super Bowl this pass.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
There's there's always a concern about it in some capacity,
and it's either born out of injury prevention or concern
over injury or an end performance. And if you asked
a player, I think in probably eighty to ninety percent
of the cases, which one they're more concerned about. They
would all say, if I can play on a service
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that's going to limit my injury risk. I'm taking that
every time. And that's natural grass, not turf. I mean,
maybe you see a different LeVar, but that's how I
see it.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
I mean, I think the debate is always going to
be the debate in terms of what you prefer. But
I mean, if I were to say what my personal
preference would have been, it would be natural grass. That's
just what I want.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
I've never known any player to like any artificial turf
over natural grass.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Did you play with guys that like that?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I mean maybe there were a few.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
I don't. I never really took inventory like that. I never,
I really, just I just I don't know. Only time
I'd ever take inventory on surfaces is if the surface
was was poor, like if it was just a mud
bath of a of a field, or if it was raining,
and that was just more or less what what bottoms,
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what type of cleats am I going to use on?
I never looked at it, And maybe I'm guilty of that.
I guess I was spoiled being coming from an agricultural school.
I just never really looked at Yeah, I just never
took inventory of what the field surfaces, you know, other
than like I said, like Michigan. You go into Michigan,
you'd be like this fricking stinks, like you're picking up
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chunks of grass and putting it back in Like think
about this, like.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
That flows yeah, right right right.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
But but I'm saying for me, when I was playing
my mind, my mind didn't go to the field unless
it really became an issue, like, Oh, I'm trying to
take off on a blitz and I look back after
slipping like crazy to try to get off of the
ball to go blitz, and I literally like on like
a putting green or on on like a golf course.
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I got to go take a chunk of grass and
put it back into where it is that it just
got like totally pushed out of a divot, I believe, yeah,
And golf I guess it.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
I wouldn't even know how to Oh he's spelling something different.
Oh he's spelling something else. Uh damn. So so to me,
all of this is being sparked off of the Aaron
Rodgers injury and everybody talking about all the injuries that
take place and the surfaces on and met life and
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that very well could be accurate that these injuries are
taking place because of the surface.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
You're being so measured about this. This is like not
the LeVar that's on thee.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
But here's the thing, though, here's the thing. I think
that injury happens on any surface, just the way it
played out.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
That one exactly, Like I do find to that point.
I do find it interesting that this injury is the
one they're like, oh my gosh, yeah, Like, dude, a
guy landed on him like it was gonna happen probably
no matter what.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
Literally landed on that man's leg like weight down, bloom,
like he's underneath them. He landed on them. Like you
can't say, oh, well, his foot would have given out
if if it was grass and not turf. His foot
you have, you have cleats on. You have cleats, whether
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it's dirt or whether it's clubber. You're going to get
caught into the surface when somebody's body lands on top
of your leg like that.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Can we play a game where you guys are the NFLPA,
I can act as the owner in this case, and
I love it.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
All right, let's get some game show music that would
be appropriate.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
I mean, it's not really a game. But let's get
some game show.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
Why not radio have fun with it? Oh all right,
Oh I like this. This is like that negotiating Apia
the Little Shark tank. All right, let's go.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
It's like, oh, Quinn versus Breer. This is like NFL films.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
You guys really played that out there. Look, here's what
I'm not gonna do for our listeners, for all our
devout listeners. I'm not gonna let someone come on our
show and spew some bs about what whatever they're getting
pushed by the team or some agent. All right, I'm
not gonna like that.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I don't know, man, I was I was really torn
on who won that.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
Oh no, I wasn't. Yeah, I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
All right, got thank you.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Well, you guys are the the NFLP in this case,
so you guys are probably pleading at some point to
an owner about or Roger Goodell in this case, about
having you know, natural turf laar.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I got this. Okay, go it, mister owner. Oh wow,
we've had it enough to hear in my hand? Is
that my Adams Apple. We're tired of playing on this
turf crap. We don't care how many concerts you're going
to roll in here. If these soccer teams from Istanbul
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can put on a friendly and get natural grass, we
demand that our game is played on natural grass moving forward.
So make a change now or else or you telling
them or else?
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Well's listen here, young man, listen here.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Do you is there a thing called a collective bargaining agreement?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Didn't you guys? Did you guys ask for this in
the collective bargain agreement that we negotiated over.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
No?
Speaker 4 (40:46):
No, well okay, here's how it works now there, son,
If you want something, you have to give up something
to get that in return. What are you willing to
give up? Uh?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
We won't up. Won't smoke weed as much.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
I'm talking not about that sort of green sun. Something
that's a little got a little more monetary value to it.
You know, us owners, See, if we're going to be
replacing this this field turf with half the fields now
field surf, we're gonna have to pay for it. We
have to pay for you know that the cost of
how much it costs to maintain it. And that's gonna
cost millions and millions of dollars seven eight figures a.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Year, all right, Well, okay, fine.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
And there's the end of discussion. Let's get let's be
real about this. This is about money. It's about private
who are saying who is going to put the bill
for this natural grass? Who is going to foot the
bill for putting in a system? Where like the other thing,
the other coveyat this whole conversation is if you're a
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team that doesn't have a dome and you won a
Super Bowl and you have to be up north, you
gotta build a new stadium, and you have to build
it in closed stadium. So the difficulty then becomes, Okay,
you're building a dome. Let's say you're Cleveland, for example,
place place Officer I played. You've got natural grass, great,
great grass, awesome grass. They did a tremendous job in Cleveland.
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But the problem is, now, if they want a super
Bowl there, what do they gotta do Build a new stadium,
put in a dome because they're not going to play
the super Bowl in February in Cleveland. Risk that sort
of whether it's going to impact the game, that's just
not where the NFL is at anymore. So if you
won a super Bowl, you want that economic stimulus to
your city. You got to build a new stadium, has
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to be a dome. If it's up north, all right,
that's fine. Well grass doesn't grow inside unless you have
one of those ridiculously expensive Well Arizona's different because it
doesn't grow inside.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
They rove it outside, right and then they move it in.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
But there is I believe it's Manchester United League and
probably check this out or maybe Sam knows. One of
them has like an indoor like U would be light system.
It's ridiculously expensive, but they can do it like you
can do it, but there's an expense to I think
it costs like twohundred fifty.
Speaker 6 (43:07):
You can grow weed indoors and they call it indo correct.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
Correct, There's there's all sorts of ways of growing a
lot of things indoors.
Speaker 6 (43:16):
Straight up, but they grow that indoors all day. Loan,
trust me.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
I've been to the valley out there and so like that.
It'd be real too, like super But you get the
general point. I mean, from what I've heard, there's an
expense to this. Who's gonna foot the bill? And then
on top of that, there's other places that aren't concerned about,
you know, putting in grass that they're like, Okay, how
do I get a Super Bowl? How do I? And
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then then the question becomes, all right, if I'm having
a dome, I don't have all these concerts and different things.
You know, you're gonna be tearing up the grass and
gret You could put some down some of their artificial
you know, surface for those events, But there's a lot
more money in that, I think people realize. And unless
the NFLPA is willing to give up a portion of
the revenue share to pay for this, that's probably the
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position the owners are going to take. Otherwise, that's got
to be your number one priority heading into the next CBA,
which isn't due for quite some time. And your other
option is okay, then you strike. Is this that big
of a deal with the players going to strike about it?
Speaker 2 (44:21):
No, there is some irony to this because I remember
when the CBA was signed last time, Aaron Rodgers was
one of the most vocal as far as yeah, clearly
some guys didn't read this through. Clearly some guys just
signed off on this, and the owners once again got
one over on us. And yet here we are, all
these years later and they're trying to.
Speaker 6 (44:37):
Aaron Rodgers is the recipient of Clearly those guys should
have read it more. You think he's sitting somewhere right
now like those mother efforts did not read the fine print.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
It doesn't matter if people did, like they could read
the fine print, and it's like, what's your recourse, right,
even if you don't like the deal. I mean, look,
I was on the calls during the lockown out and
there are players then in leadership positions who are pushing
that deal. It wasn't a good deal. I mean, the
reality is the owners have continually wiped the mat with
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the players union since de Marie Smith took over.
Speaker 5 (45:16):
They've been slowly giving away ground.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
Now they've made some strides here and there, small incumental,
you know, strides in various areas, but there's never been
one or two or three big issues that are wins
for the NFLPA like there are for the owners. And honestly,
you know, it usually always comes down to money, and
this is one where you have to have enough owners
(45:38):
that say, an injury to Aaron Rodgers hurts my bottom
line so much that it's worth it for me to
put in grass Allah what Steve Bushatti did in Baltimore.
They used to be field surf. They went to grass
because they have Lamar Jackson. They said, we aren't going
to risk this with our players. That obviously happened after that.
(45:59):
Steve Smith seen your injury. But you gotta have an
owner that wants to do it. He has to be
able to say this is what I'm gonna do for
the best interest of my players and take on that expense.
Otherwise it ain't happening. It's not gonna be collectively a bargain.
The union can be upset all they want, it's not
gonna change
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