September 26, 2022 • 40 mins
Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas and Brady wonder what the hell happened to the great rivalry between the Niners and Broncos. Jamaal Williams’ hip thrusts steal the show in the Vikings-Lions game. Dolphins stay undefeated after beating the Bills but no one buys Tua Tagovailoa’s excuse for passing concussion protocol. And everyone loves to make a big deal out of “heated altercations” like the ones between Patrick Mahomes and Eric Bieniemy, Quinnen Williams and his coach and Bills OC Ken Dorsey and his desk.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar Areas. Brady Quinn and Jonas Knocks
on four Radio. Tell's happening, Brady Quinn, Hey man, I'm
just trying to get through all of what took place
in week three of the NFL's crazy crap. What's happening?
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I mean, I'm not sure if you saw the game.
I got the call between the Vikings and Lions. We
had an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty called honor player for one
too many hip thrust. The rule is you can't do
more than two, and clearly Jamal Williams got two three
and those flags came out flying everywhere. Yeah it is.
I have several questions for you in regards to that game,
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very very important questions. The job. I was doing everything
I could to hold back from saying what I wanted
to say in that moment, and uh yeah, I thought
we kept a PC for the most part, but uh,
not safe for work, not safe for the children at home.
While ching Jambal Williams after a nice touchdown run. Uh,
I mean, I even know what can we just get?
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Let's just call what it is. He got the air pregnant.
That's what he did that. Yeah, he was. He was
lenten and fly and uh and good for him. I mean,
if that's it, that's that's what he wants to do
to celebrate a touchdown. Good for him. Fifteen yards and
now the air is pregnant, I don't. I was trying
to convince our producer to bring on Mike Pereyra for
it because I wanted to hear Mike Pereyra. I have
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to get on air and actually describe why he was
flagged for it, because if you were a call, one
of the offensive lineman came in at the end and
he actually was like choreographed this thing where he was
like zapping towards the midsection Jamal Williams. And at that
point I thought, Okay, is it because of the sexual
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nature of the gesture or is it more because the
alignment it's choreographed? Like now you've got two people were
involved in this, this sexual act, if you will. Yeah,
it was very uncomfortable for everybody involved. But we do have,
you know, several other questions and then and this is
the important stuff we need to get to in that
game that we want to get with you on coming
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up here shortly. Now, I do want to just take
you back. I remember back in the day when okay,
when like when the Broncos and the Niners played each other. Yeah,
you know, when the Broncos and the Niners played each other,
it was always like it felt like it was always
a massive game. It was either a Super Bowl or
it was a big prime time game, just like yes, yes,
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And so you think all those all those great players
from back in the day, those great matchups, and then
we fast forward to two thousand twenty two and we
get for the second time in the history of the
NFL and eleven to ten final on Sunday night. The
hell was that that we watched last night in Denver?
Good Christ that would start by saying this for all
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of those out there that want to buy into the
dan Orlovski is off the hook because Jimmy Garoppolo stepped
out of bounds and took a safety his heel barely hit. Okay,
Dania Veloski ran four yards out of bounds like he
was scared at recess as in third grade, and he
kept running like he had no awareness whatsoever the fact
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that he was closer to the fans in Detroit than
he actually was any player on the field. When he
got his safety, he's off the hook. That that will
forever be. What Dana Orlowski is best known for is
running like he was scared at recess out of the
end zone from a defender. So let's just start off
with that. The next thing is, yeah, look, it was,
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it was. It didn't look good. I mean, I give
a lot of credit to the Broncos defense for the
way they stepped up. Um obviously didn't help either. San
Francisco has banged up. You know, Trent Williams end up
going out in that game. Yeah, I think he lagged
went by his own player. Um, But there was just
kind of injuries both ways. It felt like San Francisco
could never really get into a rhythm. I thought they'd
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moved the ball better than Denver did for the majority
of the game. But look, I mean give Russell Wilson
and Denver credit. I thought they looked awful up until
that very um the fourth quarter drive for the touchdown
that helped him go ahead. That was what I thought
this offense was gonna look like the entire season. But
Nathaniel Hackett looks like he's over match looks like he's
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he's in over his head bringing with Jerry Rossberg. That
is that, Yeah, that's the game day operations guy. Correct
from Yeah, I've never seen a coach more open about
the fact that he's, yeah, I can't handle this, I've
got to bring someone else. And Okay, didn't you think
that when you hire your staff that should have been
something you thought about. I mean, it's like everything is
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reactive instead of proactive in Denver. It's it's just it's
really odd. And the more you talk to people around
the league about it, the more you hear it's not good,
like even during the course of the week in their preparation. So, uh, look,
if that, if that's the offense and that draw, if
that's you saw for the go ahead touchdown by Denver
in the fourth quarter, if you see that from them
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the rest of the year, I think this team is
gonna be closer to what I thought they were going
to be. But for whatever reason, Russell Wilson has been
reluctant to want to run and make plays with his legs.
Um the passing game of the offense hasn't been able
to click consistently. I think the only good thing you
can hang your hat on the fact that they can't
run the football from time and time and then then
now the defense is coming around. So uh, that's that's
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to me is the biggest takeaways. But I guess you
say a good win, you take it. And if this
is where they're starting off, I guess they feel like
they've got a lot of room to grow and that
could be a good thing for Russell Wilson and the Broncos. Um.
So let's hear from the head coach of the Denver Broncos.
This is the guy who's actually got more time now
to address the media because he has so much help,
you know, on his staff, with people running the game
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day operations. Here was Nathaniel Hackett afterwards through three games
and now you're averaging one touchdown and game. How much
is that a concern for you? I mean, it's something
that we gotta correct. We obviously want to score a
lot more points and it can happened today. We knew
it was going to be a slug fest versus this team.
When we needed to get it, we got it, and
we're going to continually develop and get better as an offense.
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In your time in the league, have you seen teams
to be able to capitalize on a win like this
and kind of use it to push them forward, search
them forward, and kind of get rolling after such an
emotional win. Yeah, of course, I think that. You know,
as a coach, you always want to be able to
coach harder when you win because there's still so many
things that we need to correct. Offensively, there's probably some
things even on defense, even though it was a great game. Um,
there's always gonna be things that we can correct, and
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we all want to grow as a team. You know,
we want to be better on special teams, offense, defense,
And when you win, you have that ability to coach
even harder and for us, you know, to build off
of it. I mean, heck, we had a good win
last week, we had another one this week, and you know, however,
we have to win. We're gonna do everything we can,
and we just want to be sure we all stick together.
So for what it's worth, I mean, you know, for
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who's counting the tied for the for the lead in
the a f C West. I mean, listen, there's there.
They are two and one. It could be a lot mores. Uh,
you know, you could be one and two and have
all these procedural issues and all this stuff play out.
And it's funny that you mentioned the thing about everything
seems to be reactive and not proactive. Have you ever
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been with somebody who doesn't travel a lot. I mean,
they just don't think things through, all right, They just don't.
Do you want me to answer honestly? Yes? Yeah, my
wife and I didn't want to see and I hear
you okay out there. Look I make mistakes too. I'm
not saying I'm perfect here, Like clearly I I didn't
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have enough shirts. We talked about that Dan. The last week.
I was like scrounging up shirts from like like anywhere
in the hotel. I find where someone just left a
shirt somewhere after a long night out. I was wearing
that to work out in this past week. So I'm
not I'm not letting myself off the hook. I'm just saying, yeah,
she doesn't like to be as proactive in preparation for
a flight. It's like, you know, um, hey, where's the
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the suntan motion? What do you mean? I thought you
brought it? Wait? What what I was? I was caring
your right down? Well yeah, I mean come on, that's
that's yeah, that's a built in But it's like simple
things like I remember talking to a buddy of mine
and he didn't realize we were going we were traveling internationally.
He didn't realize like, oh, I need a passport. It's like, yeah, man,
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what do you what do you think we're doing? We're
going to We're going to Mexico. You can't just can't
just roll up there with a twenty dollar bill and
your idea on the back of it and just say hey,
ready to go, Like it doesn't work that way. It
just it feels like, yeah, he doesn't. Nathaniel Hackett like
didn't think this whole thing all the way through when
it comes to what it either, what it takes to
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be a coach, certain things that come along with being
a coach. Wouldn't you have advisors, wouldn't you have people
his dad was a coach in the league for a
long time. Wouldn't some of this stuff have come up
in topic of conversation at some point during the entire
process to be the head coach there? I just think surprising.
That's a few things that stick out about it that
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like it even in the interview process. I mean a
lot of owners and you have to remember this ownership
group was going through a transition and he was hired
before the Walden family took over with this newer ownership group.
And from what I've heard, this ownership group is going
to be more involved. Uh. And then that l was
in part due to Pat Bolland's health, and then it
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was going through kind of the struggle to see who
was going to actually get ownership of the team. No
one got ownership of the team that another of Pat
Bolland's children, so they end up selling the team, right.
So the question then became this whole hiring process, you
know what questions were really being asked to those candidates,
because that's something that on the way in they should
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have been able to have this sort of thing checked off.
And this you heard during the course of the week
that George, George Patton, and Nathaniel Hackett worked together to
identify Jerry Rossberg as the guy they wanted to bring in. Okay,
that's great, but we're heading into week three of the
NFL season like this is these are things that you
should have had either already in your staff going in
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as an interview, like for the coaches, I know that
are now head coaches. They have everything for these interviews.
They have an entire playbook, They have an entire book
of here's the things I look to do, here's the
staff I look to hire, here everything. So you're prepared
for all those questions. So it's not like it's just
on Nathaniel Hackett. It's also on the ownership because you
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know they weren't asking the right questions or making sure
he was prepared on the way in. But this kind
of reminds me of the stories you hear from when
you've got like a family run business that has a
ton of success. Do you ever ever ever heard how
that usually goes, Like the first generation builds it, the
second generation then kind of maintains it to a degree
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in the third generation ends up ruining. Like this is
almost like you know, you said it, Paul having a
coach in the league for a long time, and then
you know his son, Nathaniel Hacking. Now he's learned a
lot of things. He's got a good reputation and the league,
but maybe there's some things that just don't come as
naturally as they do to some of the other guys
who had to pave their path, who didn't have a
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dad who was in the coaching industry, or didn't have
the same ability to be you know as as in
the know on certain things. And so I'm not saying
he's gonna crash and burn this thing, but it seems
like for some reason, some of the stuff is like
catching it by a surprise and that he hasn't had
to kind of learn and figure it out his own way.
A lot of stuff has maybe been handed to him
or done for him. And that's what this feels like.
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It feels like one of those family run businesses that
you've got the second generation. You're like, this guy's take
it over. Like yeah, employees are like this guy, this
guy's taken over the company. Are you sure he's ready
to do this? You're sure he's ready for it? Doesn't
look like it. I literally can think of a restaurant
right now. Say the name. I don't want to say it.
I don't know anybody. I'll just okay, okay, what does
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it rhyme with? Because I'm gonna start doing the things
that you do to me when I don't have a
chance to actually say the person or the team or
the name or it's a very plain name and don
and it rhymes with Zack Jack. So anyways about this restaurant,
Uh this I know. It was a successful restaurant that
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had been run successfully for years and years and years
and then all of a sudden the owner passed away
and either the sun or the grandson took it over
and within a couple of months he gone. It was
like you, you could not have have run down and
and kill you now, definitely not Jack in a box
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now those are still are still up and run. In fact,
right now, shout out to everybody who's hammered in a
Jack in a box line right now listening on the
I Heart radio app. We appreciate you, all of you
across the country. That is a go to for many
people on the West coast. But point taken, it just
it hasn't played out well. It's played out nationally on
in prime time two out of the three weeks. It
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just feels like we are we are watching something that's
on the verge of a meltdown. But again still two
and one. Uh, maybe there's some stuff there you look
at and go, all right, we can build on this.
Maybe there's some building blocks, and maybe the Denver Broncos
are gonna are gonna be a threat in the a
f C West when it's all said and done. Down
the stretch right now toofs, I'm okay here, thank you though,
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Now would you rather be the Las Vegas with probably
the Raiders? I just I don't know. I I want
to see. I'm not optimistic obviously either team. We're gonna
make the playoffs. I think the a f C West
and we're gonna get into that later on. Maybe we
might have, you know, misread the a f C West
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in the effectiveness of them against the rest of the league.
But no, it's not a good week at all, um,
And so yeah, I I just look at it and
I go Denver. It just feels off, something doesn't seem right,
and I keep looking at the Nathaniel Hackett era and
wondering whether or not this is gonna be a one
and done with him his head coach. The last thing
I'll ask you this because this this hit my brand
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as I was traveling late last night getting back home.
You've got the Raiders who are owing three and I'm like, man,
that's crazy. Josh McDaniels is now owen six since dating
back to his last head coaching gig, which which was
with the Denver Broncos. So he's actually not an even
longer losing streak as a head coach. If you're the
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Broncos right now, would you take Josh McDaniels reboot two
point oh is your head coach? Or stick with Nathaniel
hack Because the one thing I can tell you is this,
Josh McDaniels does not have the issues at least as
far is what we've seen with Nathaniel Hackett that the
Broncos have had with clock management, time management, situational awareness,
those things. Yeah, and also the Raiders have had I
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think a much more difficult schedule. So there's there is
all those things pointing towards a little bit of optimism
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and the I Heart Radio app. So we mentioned how
you can tell there's a lot of people who just
read stats or look at the box score and then
they try and tell you they and sell you on
the fact that they watched the game just by reading
you the stats. If you just covered up the score
and you did read just the stats from the Bills
Dolphins game, there's no possible way you would think that
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the Miami Dolphins won that game. But the Miami Dolphins
did end up winning that game. It was a crazy,
crazy ending, just the finish, the how they got there.
The Bills looked absolutely exhausted. Um they were, you know,
yet guys cramping up left and right, laying I mean
people you know, dropped to their knees after the game
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was over because they were so tired. So it feels like,
you know, maybe that South Florida humidity got after a
couple of guys there in Buffalo, and and they were
struggling to try and keep it together there towards the end.
Hey man, it's still a thing when you're still in
the month of September. It's hot, it's humid, and and
you're kind of like up north getting used to a
change in the seasons. That's not the case, and it
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will get the best of you. And then look, the
Dolphins are good. To give him some credit defensively, I
thought they stepped up compared to last week's game versus Baltimore. Um,
you know, really allowing a bunch of players to be
made in that one that wasn't the case in this one.
And and and then, like I know, detractors from Miami
and probably even to UH are gonna say, well, there
were plenty against the Bill's defense that was missed, what
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three or four starters? Okay, I get that, but people
deal with injuries. Teams have to play through that. They've
got a lot of depth too in Buffalo. They should
be able to overcome some of those injuries. Um, but
I think the biggest takeaway from this game, outside of
the fact that the Bills are human, they weren't just
gonna walk through the regular season and and into the playoffs.
And this is, you know, maybe a sign of there's
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a more parody in the a f C East than
we thought. Is the thought too to UH and the
thought you know a lot of people were saying, hey,
it's a head injury, we need to reevaluate this. Helld
the NFL p A after the game was saying that,
come to find out to us, and it was a
back injury. Now, I don't know if he's trying to
cover up for his team, which makes this conversation kind
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of tough because I've told you before, I was with
a team where I had a concussion and we marked
it down as a neck injury, and it was not
a neck injury, and it was just so I could
be healthy going into the regular season. Yes, yeah, well
I might get some people in trouble. That stuff happens
where you have a conversation with the team and and
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you're basically saying like, hey, I want to make sure
I can help the team out and do what I can,
and you might be putting yourself in harm's way, but
it's football. You're always putting yourself in harm's way when
you walk out in that field. Uh. And so that
that's one of the bigger stories is it looked like
to h had you know, when he got thrown down
to the ground. But I believe it was what Matt
Milano that he hit the back of his head and
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it looked like he got up woozy. And that's the
problem is is not being able to have players protect
themselves sometimes. Look, maybe fans don't care about it, but
it was tough watching him get up and stumble and
have a hard time walking around um, you know, dealing
with what looked to be a concussion. What was the
hind board move? He would just pretend like there was
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something wrong with this cli half cramp. Every time he
got his bell rock, he would just reach down and
like feel for his ankle. But yeah, there's something going
on with my I used to like when I used
to black out when I get hit. I was just
used to like act like I was tying my shoe.
I remember one time in Kansas City, though, I like, literally, um,
I got hit and I couldn't I could not see,
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Like my vision was blurry, and I kept rubbing my
eyes thinking like I had something to my eyes, and eventually,
like the way I got hit and knocked my lens
off of my eyes, like it was like I had
to go through this whole training of like how to
see again. It was like the weirdest thing. But that
that's just one of many story will have from getting hit.
So I remember this because it happened a couple of
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months ago. So Pat McAfee was calling a He was
calling a w w E event in Las Vegas, and
then they all went to a UFC event right afterwards
because they were both in town. On the same night
and Pat McAfee was part of the show. He got
into an altercation and the guy allegedly hurt his neck,
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so McAfee to sell it all the way through as
a good company guy for w W. E showed up
to the UFC event and he was wearing a neck
brace because he didn't want he wanted to keep it
going and he didn't want to just show up and
everything was fine, and he's drinking a cocktail watching the
UFC event with this neck brace on to uphold the
same move yesterday, because like he's trying to tell everybody
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it was a back injury. And instead of just telling
everybody it was a back injury, it looked like he
had actually taped an ice pack to his back when
he was talking to the media afterwards. So give him credit.
He's really trying to sell this whole thing. I don't
buy for a single second that it was a back injury.
He slammed his head on the turf, he got up,
he was wobbly. You've had back issues. Do you get
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the stank leg when you're trying to walk away because
of your back issues in a move like that, I
just I don't buy it for a second. And I
think the Dolphins are gonna get a little bit of
heat from this. And I think they're this investigation that
is already being launched because everybody was talking about it.
I think the Dolphins are gonna get some heat for this.
Now what I don't know what sort of punishment it is,
was like a fine, Uh do they make him, you know,
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sit out for a half? Like I don't know what
it's going to result in, but who knows, I don't know.
I mean, what are they gonna do? I mean, look,
he came out for the second half. You gotta miss
the first half of the next game. But I I
want to listen to mean, maybe it should Well, here's
the only thing I'll stay with back injuries. Yeah, you
can have whatever leg or stink foot, whatever you just said.
It's a drop foot. It's it's a real symptom that
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you do have from back injury. So if too was
dealing with something like that, yeah, you can definitely have
some issues with that. That's a real thing. I'm not
going to discount what he was said he was dealing
with from that. I'm just gonna say it looked like
when he got up when he got woozy like that.
You don't get woozy and then need a player to
catch you. Um, that doesn't come from uh that the
lack of stability in your leg. That looked like he
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was having a heart like he was knocked out and
trying to get up, you know, kind of like a
boxer you see get knocked out, but he's still walking
around the ring even though he is not fully there. Um.
Here was to talking about the quote unquote back injury
after the game. Right now, it's tight. I mean it
it was sore when it when it did happen. Um,
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but yeah, I mean any competitor uh that that would
never wanted to come out would have did the same thing.
So I was just trying my hardest to get back
up in uh uh you know, get the next play
and run it. So it's a clarified. Did you hit
the back of your head when you fell down on
that play? Yeah? I did, I did, But I really
I think I really hit my back first, because that's
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what I fell first. I'll tell you what, Man, the
more I see him and have the chance to listen
to him or even talk to him, the more I
love the kid. Like he's he's a warrior people too,
but people tend to forget like, like, let's just go
back for a second. Do people forget back? And what
was the two thousand and is eighteen when he basically
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went had surgery on his ankles to come back sooner
to not even be a hundred percent to go play
Joe Burrow and Ellis And he was going for throw
on a leg and a half, on a leg and
a half, he was limping out or out there. He
was had no business being in that game. This dude's
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a warrior. People need to start appreciating the way he
goes about getting out there to play. And some of
it might be like, hey, look he's trying to impress
a new it coach. He's trying to get that that
second big deal and prove it to his team. I
know it's early. I know we're only three games in
this season. He's proven it to me. I think if
you look at his body of work, he's proven it
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to The sad thing is, there's so many Miami Dolphins
fans and I've got buddies that I've said this to
for a while, and I said, look, he's not justin Herbert.
He's not Josh Allen. He's very capable of being a
starter to franchise quarterback. He is his skill set it is.
He just needed a coach who believed to him. He's
got that now and he's selling out for his team.
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Like I think this dude has loved on the team,
and I think like they got a shot, Like they
literally just stole one there, I mean, And if you
split now, who knows how the rest of the division
ends up looking the a f C East Because you know,
the Bills are getting the injury bug right now and
this could you know, this might only get worse for
them moving forward. Look, people can call us the t
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d L all they want the to a Defense League
here on this show, because we've been sticking up for
this guy ever since. Brian, Yeah, kind of. That's why
I had to spell it out and think about it
before I did so I had it correct, did I
actually did so? Listen as part of the TDL the
to a Defense League, we would like to just simp
the you know, sending everybody out there on on a
high note here. We love the kid, We love everything
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about him. We've been telling people about him for a
couple of years. Brian Flores had an out for him.
It was clear. It was obvious they chose to over
Brian Flores, and I think they made the right decision
if it comes down to that. But come on, dude, Uh,
the best move for him after the game would have
been to say, no, I didn't hit the back of
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my head, Like, if you're going to go through with
this whole thing, you need to keep people really on
their toes. And if you would have just said no,
I didn't hit the back of my head, what are
you talking about when it's clear he slammed into the
back of the turf. And then what was his explanation
that he thought he hit his back first? Can we
play that last part again that he thought he had
his back first. This was to a talking to the
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media yesterday. Any competitor, uh that that would never wanted
to come out would have did this same thing. So
I'm just trying my hardest to get back up in
uh uh, you know, get the next play and run it.
So it's a clarified. Did you hit the back of
your head when you fell down on that play? Yeah?
I did, I did, But I really I think I
really hit my back first because that's what I felt. First,
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it was awesome. I have my back. He's almost like
that kid, remember, like you're like junior high or high
school that the teacher just wanted to like they wanted
they wanted to be get mad at or they wanted
to yell at for doing something, but they just had
an excuse that was very probable, and they're like, I
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kind of I can't help it. And then their delivery
is such that you like, you can't help but kind
of love the kid, but you want to give them,
you know, you want to give them a hard times. Yeah,
I don't know, I don't know. I hit my head. Yeah,
but for my back, my freaking back. First I broke
my back, thank you. Yeah. I just listen. Look, it's
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the you know, he's the pride of St. Louis High
School in uh on the island of Oahawaii, the the
blowtorch of the Hawaiian Islands. Fox Sports ninety shout out
as they're listening. Yeah, it's a blowtorch. Fox Sports, come on,
you know of course you didn't do the normal blowtorch. Well,
I mean you want me to really? Yeah? That was good,
(26:23):
thank you, Haylee. You know what man, look at how
far he's come. All right. He used to not be
able to do that, and now he can covering a
mic and pulling a blowtorch right here on the air.
That's just phenomenal stuff. Lee, He's really come a long way.
I'm telling you, man, strides we've made. Yeah, this this
is just tremendous stuff. Tremendous. Uh yeah, So so shout out.
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You know, Hawaii's got themselves a warrior, a guy who
you know reportedly is suffering from a back injury as
he uh as he gave the stank leg trying to
get up from hitting in the back of his head
on the turf. So there's that. But the Dolphins are undefeated.
They're the best team in the a f C East
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Podcast or wherever you get your podcast from. So we've
been talking a lot, obviously NFL coverage throughout the course
of the show here and we made mention of this
earlier in the program. But not not the ideal weekend,
I think it's fair to say for the a f
C West. Outside of the fact that the Denver Broncos
(28:17):
won on national television UH in an eleven to ten final,
the second time in NFL history that there's been an
eleven to ten score to finish an NFL game. UH.
The Denver Broncos get it done, But overall, kind of
a a subpar weekend when you consider what happened to
the Kansas City Chiefs, the Chargers losing. I have no
idea what to make of the Raiders. Eddie Garcia mentioned
(28:40):
this earlier in the show, that there reportedly was a
closed door meeting between Mark Davis and Josh McDaniels after
the game. I don't know what that's supposed to mean.
What do you think that What do you think Mark
Davis was talking to about, like, hey, what do you
make of my w NBA Championship ring? Or do you
think it was something about something about football team? But
(29:01):
here's a hard thing about Mark Davis trying to move
on from Josh mc daniels. You're paying you can be
paying John Gruden's something. I don't know what that number is,
but there was a settlement. You've got these relocation fees
that you've got to pay, and I assume there's a
half the amount that comes along with that. And now
you're gonna pay what You're gonna fire another coach in
(29:22):
his first year and owe him whatever else is in
the rest of his contract. It's a lot of money
to be shelling out for an owner that made his
money or inherited the team. That's how he made his money.
He's not an owner who was a titan in another
industry and then bought a team. Because he's flushed with cash.
That's not Mark Davis. I mean, you don't have to
look any further than his haircut to go. Come. I'm
(29:45):
just saying. I'm just saying, I mean, can we switch
it up a little bit? I'm just can we switch
it up a little bit? Okay? I mean, well, what's
the problem with this hair? Go? What do you think
it is? You think because it looks like doll hair?
I mean I think it's because someone puts a bowl
in his head and they spin him in his chair.
They just cut, I mean, just cut around the ball.
This is just uh, I think these accusations and it
almost looks like from time to time that it's one
(30:06):
of those bowls that have handles, like they got to
cut around the handles as well, too, because it doesn't
seem like it's all even you know, it's not like
one of those bowls that just you know, a simple bowl.
It does seem like they're cutting around the handles. Also,
what I'm saying, let mean, look, I mean, you know
Lee likes to get after it from time to time.
By the way, Lee, do we have an update? Have
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you yet this NFL season passed out by your fire
pit yet in the backyard with the Packers plastic helmet on?
Does that happen yet this season? No reason to you
quite yet. Okay, So there it is doing good. So
I don't worry, folks that he will figure out a
way to make that happen at some point during the
rest of the regular season. Here are you gonna tell
us about it? This time? Only when you do it? Yeah,
give us the whole story. We want the whole story.
(30:49):
I'll document the whole thing for you. Good. Um, well,
what I'm there for? Yes, okay? Can I can I
ask you this, Brady? All right, I'm gonna give you
a number. You tell me why this number is seven?
The number is seven. What do you think seven is? Uh? Seven? Hold,
(31:09):
it's a touchdown, an extra point and involves the Raiders,
all right, it's uh it's it's potentially the the amount
of times that Lee had to go back to the
liquor store in the course of the weekend. No, I said, seven,
not twenty seven? All right, So there's simply seven. And
it involves the raiders. Um to kill the suspense. It
is their adjusted wind total according to DraftKings like. So
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we have gone from this is a potential playoff team
and a very trendy pick to maybe be the the
surprise team to come out of the a f C West.
To a team that is projected to go seven and
ten this season, well there. I mean, look, let's just
get a win before you even project seven wins. How
(31:53):
about that? Denver? Denver this upcoming weekend, then you're at
Kansas City. They could climb back into this thing. If
history tells us anything, it's really unlikely being their oh
and three and then playing in a division where I
know it looks bad from this past weekend for the
a f C West, I still think this this group
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is going to figure it out. You're gonna get three
teams in the playoffs. I mean I said that before
it's I said Kance City wins it, Chargers Denver. I
still think that's probably gonna happen. I mean, as bad
as Denver's look, there's still two in one. I mean
think about that. For as bad as they looked, I mean,
they won that game last night essentially on one drive
and a Jimmy Garoppolo stepping in the back of the
(32:36):
end zone. So I look at it. I don't know
that I ever really had aspirations for the Raiders this year.
I think they overachieved last year making the playoffs. Berto,
don't get mad when I say this, Okay, I know this,
this frustrate you. I just I kind of thought that
they were a roster that was somewhere in between a
rebuild and and trying to like bring in a few
(32:56):
pieces to make it work. It just doesn't seem like
it's working right now, and maybe they do need to
rebuild this entire roster and it's gonna take a little
more time than most people thought. Um. So, the other
story coming out of the a f C. West is
there was a quote unquote altercation that was caught on
camera between Patrick Mahomes and his offensive coordinator Eric b Enemy. Um.
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You know they were they were getting into it because, uh,
the second quarter was winding down. There was a second
and twenty and the Chiefs ran the ball as opposed
to trying to put some you know, points together, put
a drive together, rather to try and pick up some points.
And Patrick Mahomes was not happy about it. So, of course,
after this altercation that was shown on television, Patrick Mahomes
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talked to the media afterwards. I mean at the end
of the day, all I'm I wanted to go try
to score. I mean, that's just who I am. Um,
we were in a tough situation. It was like second
or third and twenty or and something like that, and
the probably the smart decision was so just taking we
had got the ball out of half, let's just go
to the go to half time. But I'm always gonna
be one in the schoo and I mean I pretty
much just said, let me have a chance at it.
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And then he was just like, let's lets let's get
back in the locker room and we'll get some going
for the next half. And um, I guess I don't
know if that's an altercation, but I mean that was
just that was the end of the conversation. You love
it when you hear this stuff, right, when people take
discussions that are being seen on the sideline during a
live NFL game and then people run with it and say, oh,
(34:23):
they were getting into it, they had an altercation. You
love this stuff, don't you. You love when the media
gets here. I wouldn't say I love this stuff. I
think how I describe it is you've got, you know,
a player who's frustrated with how the game's going and
he's frustrated with not you know, having the coaching staff
allow him to do what he does best, make plays,
(34:44):
and you know you get to see it. I mean, look,
we saw Ken Dorsey, you know, explode after the Bills lose.
It was and it just shows you. You know, some
people are like, oh, he's crazy or he's psycho, he's this. No,
he's passionate about it. Like if people understood how much
time goes into this, the fact that three nights a week,
these coaches are sleeping at the facility, they're not seeing
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their family, Like for an entire season, they're not seeing
their family, and they're right there, they're probably a ten
twenty minute drive away. They don't get to see their kids,
they don't get to see their wife, because that's how
devoted they are to this stuff. Like, I don't think
that most people understand the type of job that that
they're that they're in, and so when things don't work
out the way you'd like them to, of course you're
(35:27):
gonna see people explode or react. Or for a player
you're playing through injuries, playing through things and being frustrated,
of course you're gonna have confrontation you would. If you
didn't care, you wouldn't have confrontation, if you didn't fight
from time to time. It probably means you're indifferent, you
don't really care. So I just reviewed it his Hey, look,
he's just trying to get his point across, and a
(35:50):
lot of times, you know, for example, not to go
to the college you know, realm and and try to
make sense of all it. But go look at Drew
Pines stats. Since Tommy Reeves shoot his ass out, Go
look at the stats since then, he's completely like seventy
eight percent of his passes. I think he's strown four
or five touchdown passes, throwing for like five yards or something.
What do you mean didn't Clay Travis say that North
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Carolina was going to win that game over the way?
That's right, Yeah, that was that was his blood bank guarantee.
Tap the veins, folks tapped up. He's the worst gambler.
It's the wonder that show went defunct. I'm just saying,
I know we took over for his time slot, but like,
don't come on our show as a guest to our
(36:31):
show and trying to take shots and then absolutely just
miss I mean nothing, but nothing. This and I we
love Clay Travis all right. He's a good guy, Clay
and was very supportive of us here on this show.
You you're talking Are you talking about the gambling show?
Are you're talking about? Okay? Yeah, Um, So here's the
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this is the part that I think is so funny
about this. So you see Ken Dorsey in the booth
and of course people are making a mockery of it
and be like, oh, you know, you should keep your
composure and and all this stuff, and he slams. And
also end of the game in which you were so
close to having a chance to win that game, you
(37:12):
were completely exhausted. Everybody was coming down with a cramp.
It was a back and forth battle. That's a that's
a wild situation to be in. Sons beating down on
the sideline for Buffalo the entire game. They're completely worn out.
Josh Allen's worn out. It was a physical game. It's
a division game and you come up short because the
guy can't get out of bounds and you run out
(37:33):
of time. I don't know who wouldn't be frustrated. Bills
fans are. Probably they'll throw themselves through tables when they're
happy you don't think they weren't throwing stuff watching that
play out, and it's like he doesn't know that the
cameras on him when he when he's getting frustrated watching
all this stuff. It's just you're seeing Tom Brady get
reprimanded because he broke a couple of tablets. You see
Quinnin Williams getting the face of his defensive line coach.
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You see Patrick Mahomes and Eric b Enemy go at it.
What do you think? What do you expect people getting
road rage fights all the time? This This is actually
their job. They actually give a rip about this stuff.
And every time there's an altercation, people turn it into
all this is not a good example to set, or
you need to have better composure again, kiss my ass.
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In the heat of the moment, people get heated. This
is the way this works. I don't have any issue
with it whatsoever. And when you hear Mahomes and Andy
Reid talk about it afterwards, almost laugh because they're like,
why why is this even a story? Like like, why
is this There was no real altercation, We were just
frustrated in the moment. I don't know. There's so many
times that, um, you know, you kind of react that
(38:35):
way and you kind of look back and laugh on
it too. But I just I mean, look, this stuff happens.
People are passionate about it, and and they put a
lot of blood, sweat and tears into it. They really do.
And I know people feel like, well they're compensated. Well
they yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that you know,
there's not gonna be emotions involved in all of it.
I mean, for a lot of guys like this as
their legacy now, that frustration is real. Um. And I
(38:59):
think for Buffalo and Miami in particular, that reaction from
Ken Dorsey stems deep. Right, he played at the University
of Miami. You don't think he wanted to come back
there and get a win. Of course, you know, you
don't think he wants. And plus you don't think he
knows how important that is for their chances and the division,
like that's their competition in the AFC East. I hate to,
(39:20):
you know, break it to you if you're a Patriots fan,
if you're a Jets fan, I know, I know the
Jets are getting really upset because the're keeping all their receipts.
How this past week go? How about them apples Hey,
New England looks like they are miles away from Miami
and Buffalo right now. Well, and look credits in Miami
and Buffalo, Like you know, it's they're doing the other two.
You know, Mac Jones is hurt now he'by out for
(39:40):
a while. I mean, just the whole thing is, that
was a huge game in the you know, conversation for
whether or not they could potentially host a playoff game,
and they dropped one. And now you're behind the a ball,
at least in regards to the Dolphins. Yeah. I just uh,
the the the outrage, uh and and expecting a different
reaction when some things like that goes down. I don't
(40:01):
get it. These guys are fired up, and good for them.
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on four Radio. Tell's happening, Brady Quinn, Hey man, I'm
just trying to get through all of what took place
in week three of the NFL's crazy crap. What's happening?
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I mean, I'm not sure if you saw the game.
I got the call between the Vikings and Lions. We
had an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty called honor player for one
too many hip thrust. The rule is you can't do
more than two, and clearly Jamal Williams got two three
and those flags came out flying everywhere. Yeah it is.
I have several questions for you in regards to that game,
(00:45):
very very important questions. The job. I was doing everything
I could to hold back from saying what I wanted
to say in that moment, and uh yeah, I thought
we kept a PC for the most part, but uh,
not safe for work, not safe for the children at home.
While ching Jambal Williams after a nice touchdown run. Uh,
I mean, I even know what can we just get?
(01:06):
Let's just call what it is. He got the air pregnant.
That's what he did that. Yeah, he was. He was
lenten and fly and uh and good for him. I mean,
if that's it, that's that's what he wants to do
to celebrate a touchdown. Good for him. Fifteen yards and
now the air is pregnant, I don't. I was trying
to convince our producer to bring on Mike Pereyra for
it because I wanted to hear Mike Pereyra. I have
(01:27):
to get on air and actually describe why he was
flagged for it, because if you were a call, one
of the offensive lineman came in at the end and
he actually was like choreographed this thing where he was
like zapping towards the midsection Jamal Williams. And at that
point I thought, Okay, is it because of the sexual
(01:47):
nature of the gesture or is it more because the
alignment it's choreographed? Like now you've got two people were
involved in this, this sexual act, if you will. Yeah,
it was very uncomfortable for everybody involved. But we do have,
you know, several other questions and then and this is
the important stuff we need to get to in that
game that we want to get with you on coming
(02:08):
up here shortly. Now, I do want to just take
you back. I remember back in the day when okay,
when like when the Broncos and the Niners played each other. Yeah,
you know, when the Broncos and the Niners played each other,
it was always like it felt like it was always
a massive game. It was either a Super Bowl or
it was a big prime time game, just like yes, yes,
(02:31):
And so you think all those all those great players
from back in the day, those great matchups, and then
we fast forward to two thousand twenty two and we
get for the second time in the history of the
NFL and eleven to ten final on Sunday night. The
hell was that that we watched last night in Denver?
Good Christ that would start by saying this for all
(02:55):
of those out there that want to buy into the
dan Orlovski is off the hook because Jimmy Garoppolo stepped
out of bounds and took a safety his heel barely hit. Okay,
Dania Veloski ran four yards out of bounds like he
was scared at recess as in third grade, and he
kept running like he had no awareness whatsoever the fact
(03:16):
that he was closer to the fans in Detroit than
he actually was any player on the field. When he
got his safety, he's off the hook. That that will
forever be. What Dana Orlowski is best known for is
running like he was scared at recess out of the
end zone from a defender. So let's just start off
with that. The next thing is, yeah, look, it was,
(03:38):
it was. It didn't look good. I mean, I give
a lot of credit to the Broncos defense for the
way they stepped up. Um obviously didn't help either. San
Francisco has banged up. You know, Trent Williams end up
going out in that game. Yeah, I think he lagged
went by his own player. Um, But there was just
kind of injuries both ways. It felt like San Francisco
could never really get into a rhythm. I thought they'd
(03:58):
moved the ball better than Denver did for the majority
of the game. But look, I mean give Russell Wilson
and Denver credit. I thought they looked awful up until
that very um the fourth quarter drive for the touchdown
that helped him go ahead. That was what I thought
this offense was gonna look like the entire season. But
Nathaniel Hackett looks like he's over match looks like he's
(04:21):
he's in over his head bringing with Jerry Rossberg. That
is that, Yeah, that's the game day operations guy. Correct
from Yeah, I've never seen a coach more open about
the fact that he's, yeah, I can't handle this, I've
got to bring someone else. And Okay, didn't you think
that when you hire your staff that should have been
something you thought about. I mean, it's like everything is
(04:43):
reactive instead of proactive in Denver. It's it's just it's
really odd. And the more you talk to people around
the league about it, the more you hear it's not good,
like even during the course of the week in their preparation. So, uh, look,
if that, if that's the offense and that draw, if
that's you saw for the go ahead touchdown by Denver
in the fourth quarter, if you see that from them
(05:04):
the rest of the year, I think this team is
gonna be closer to what I thought they were going
to be. But for whatever reason, Russell Wilson has been
reluctant to want to run and make plays with his legs.
Um the passing game of the offense hasn't been able
to click consistently. I think the only good thing you
can hang your hat on the fact that they can't
run the football from time and time and then then
now the defense is coming around. So uh, that's that's
(05:26):
to me is the biggest takeaways. But I guess you
say a good win, you take it. And if this
is where they're starting off, I guess they feel like
they've got a lot of room to grow and that
could be a good thing for Russell Wilson and the Broncos. Um.
So let's hear from the head coach of the Denver Broncos.
This is the guy who's actually got more time now
to address the media because he has so much help,
you know, on his staff, with people running the game
(05:47):
day operations. Here was Nathaniel Hackett afterwards through three games
and now you're averaging one touchdown and game. How much
is that a concern for you? I mean, it's something
that we gotta correct. We obviously want to score a
lot more points and it can happened today. We knew
it was going to be a slug fest versus this team.
When we needed to get it, we got it, and
we're going to continually develop and get better as an offense.
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In your time in the league, have you seen teams
to be able to capitalize on a win like this
and kind of use it to push them forward, search
them forward, and kind of get rolling after such an
emotional win. Yeah, of course, I think that. You know,
as a coach, you always want to be able to
coach harder when you win because there's still so many
things that we need to correct. Offensively, there's probably some
things even on defense, even though it was a great game. Um,
there's always gonna be things that we can correct, and
(06:30):
we all want to grow as a team. You know,
we want to be better on special teams, offense, defense,
And when you win, you have that ability to coach
even harder and for us, you know, to build off
of it. I mean, heck, we had a good win
last week, we had another one this week, and you know, however,
we have to win. We're gonna do everything we can,
and we just want to be sure we all stick together.
So for what it's worth, I mean, you know, for
(06:51):
who's counting the tied for the for the lead in
the a f C West. I mean, listen, there's there.
They are two and one. It could be a lot mores. Uh,
you know, you could be one and two and have
all these procedural issues and all this stuff play out.
And it's funny that you mentioned the thing about everything
seems to be reactive and not proactive. Have you ever
(07:11):
been with somebody who doesn't travel a lot. I mean,
they just don't think things through, all right, They just don't.
Do you want me to answer honestly? Yes? Yeah, my
wife and I didn't want to see and I hear
you okay out there. Look I make mistakes too. I'm
not saying I'm perfect here, Like clearly I I didn't
(07:33):
have enough shirts. We talked about that Dan. The last week.
I was like scrounging up shirts from like like anywhere
in the hotel. I find where someone just left a
shirt somewhere after a long night out. I was wearing
that to work out in this past week. So I'm
not I'm not letting myself off the hook. I'm just saying, yeah,
she doesn't like to be as proactive in preparation for
a flight. It's like, you know, um, hey, where's the
(07:56):
the suntan motion? What do you mean? I thought you
brought it? Wait? What what I was? I was caring
your right down? Well yeah, I mean come on, that's
that's yeah, that's a built in But it's like simple
things like I remember talking to a buddy of mine
and he didn't realize we were going we were traveling internationally.
He didn't realize like, oh, I need a passport. It's like, yeah, man,
(08:18):
what do you what do you think we're doing? We're
going to We're going to Mexico. You can't just can't
just roll up there with a twenty dollar bill and
your idea on the back of it and just say hey,
ready to go, Like it doesn't work that way. It
just it feels like, yeah, he doesn't. Nathaniel Hackett like
didn't think this whole thing all the way through when
it comes to what it either, what it takes to
(08:38):
be a coach, certain things that come along with being
a coach. Wouldn't you have advisors, wouldn't you have people
his dad was a coach in the league for a
long time. Wouldn't some of this stuff have come up
in topic of conversation at some point during the entire
process to be the head coach there? I just think surprising.
That's a few things that stick out about it that
(08:59):
like it even in the interview process. I mean a
lot of owners and you have to remember this ownership
group was going through a transition and he was hired
before the Walden family took over with this newer ownership group.
And from what I've heard, this ownership group is going
to be more involved. Uh. And then that l was
in part due to Pat Bolland's health, and then it
(09:22):
was going through kind of the struggle to see who
was going to actually get ownership of the team. No
one got ownership of the team that another of Pat
Bolland's children, so they end up selling the team, right.
So the question then became this whole hiring process, you
know what questions were really being asked to those candidates,
because that's something that on the way in they should
(09:42):
have been able to have this sort of thing checked off.
And this you heard during the course of the week
that George, George Patton, and Nathaniel Hackett worked together to
identify Jerry Rossberg as the guy they wanted to bring in. Okay,
that's great, but we're heading into week three of the
NFL season like this is these are things that you
should have had either already in your staff going in
(10:04):
as an interview, like for the coaches, I know that
are now head coaches. They have everything for these interviews.
They have an entire playbook, They have an entire book
of here's the things I look to do, here's the
staff I look to hire, here everything. So you're prepared
for all those questions. So it's not like it's just
on Nathaniel Hackett. It's also on the ownership because you
(10:24):
know they weren't asking the right questions or making sure
he was prepared on the way in. But this kind
of reminds me of the stories you hear from when
you've got like a family run business that has a
ton of success. Do you ever ever ever heard how
that usually goes, Like the first generation builds it, the
second generation then kind of maintains it to a degree
(10:46):
in the third generation ends up ruining. Like this is
almost like you know, you said it, Paul having a
coach in the league for a long time, and then
you know his son, Nathaniel Hacking. Now he's learned a
lot of things. He's got a good reputation and the league,
but maybe there's some things that just don't come as
naturally as they do to some of the other guys
who had to pave their path, who didn't have a
(11:08):
dad who was in the coaching industry, or didn't have
the same ability to be you know as as in
the know on certain things. And so I'm not saying
he's gonna crash and burn this thing, but it seems
like for some reason, some of the stuff is like
catching it by a surprise and that he hasn't had
to kind of learn and figure it out his own way.
A lot of stuff has maybe been handed to him
or done for him. And that's what this feels like.
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It feels like one of those family run businesses that
you've got the second generation. You're like, this guy's take
it over. Like yeah, employees are like this guy, this
guy's taken over the company. Are you sure he's ready
to do this? You're sure he's ready for it? Doesn't
look like it. I literally can think of a restaurant
right now. Say the name. I don't want to say it.
I don't know anybody. I'll just okay, okay, what does
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it rhyme with? Because I'm gonna start doing the things
that you do to me when I don't have a
chance to actually say the person or the team or
the name or it's a very plain name and don
and it rhymes with Zack Jack. So anyways about this restaurant,
Uh this I know. It was a successful restaurant that
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had been run successfully for years and years and years
and then all of a sudden the owner passed away
and either the sun or the grandson took it over
and within a couple of months he gone. It was
like you, you could not have have run down and
and kill you now, definitely not Jack in a box
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now those are still are still up and run. In fact,
right now, shout out to everybody who's hammered in a
Jack in a box line right now listening on the
I Heart radio app. We appreciate you, all of you
across the country. That is a go to for many
people on the West coast. But point taken, it just
it hasn't played out well. It's played out nationally on
in prime time two out of the three weeks. It
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just feels like we are we are watching something that's
on the verge of a meltdown. But again still two
and one. Uh, maybe there's some stuff there you look
at and go, all right, we can build on this.
Maybe there's some building blocks, and maybe the Denver Broncos
are gonna are gonna be a threat in the a
f C West when it's all said and done. Down
the stretch right now toofs, I'm okay here, thank you though,
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Now would you rather be the Las Vegas with probably
the Raiders? I just I don't know. I I want
to see. I'm not optimistic obviously either team. We're gonna
make the playoffs. I think the a f C West
and we're gonna get into that later on. Maybe we
might have, you know, misread the a f C West
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in the effectiveness of them against the rest of the league.
But no, it's not a good week at all, um,
And so yeah, I I just look at it and
I go Denver. It just feels off, something doesn't seem right,
and I keep looking at the Nathaniel Hackett era and
wondering whether or not this is gonna be a one
and done with him his head coach. The last thing
I'll ask you this because this this hit my brand
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as I was traveling late last night getting back home.
You've got the Raiders who are owing three and I'm like, man,
that's crazy. Josh McDaniels is now owen six since dating
back to his last head coaching gig, which which was
with the Denver Broncos. So he's actually not an even
longer losing streak as a head coach. If you're the
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Broncos right now, would you take Josh McDaniels reboot two
point oh is your head coach? Or stick with Nathaniel
hack Because the one thing I can tell you is this,
Josh McDaniels does not have the issues at least as
far is what we've seen with Nathaniel Hackett that the
Broncos have had with clock management, time management, situational awareness,
those things. Yeah, and also the Raiders have had I
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think a much more difficult schedule. So there's there is
all those things pointing towards a little bit of optimism
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and the I Heart Radio app. So we mentioned how
you can tell there's a lot of people who just
read stats or look at the box score and then
they try and tell you they and sell you on
the fact that they watched the game just by reading
you the stats. If you just covered up the score
and you did read just the stats from the Bills
Dolphins game, there's no possible way you would think that
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the Miami Dolphins won that game. But the Miami Dolphins
did end up winning that game. It was a crazy,
crazy ending, just the finish, the how they got there.
The Bills looked absolutely exhausted. Um they were, you know,
yet guys cramping up left and right, laying I mean
people you know, dropped to their knees after the game
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was over because they were so tired. So it feels like,
you know, maybe that South Florida humidity got after a
couple of guys there in Buffalo, and and they were
struggling to try and keep it together there towards the end.
Hey man, it's still a thing when you're still in
the month of September. It's hot, it's humid, and and
you're kind of like up north getting used to a
change in the seasons. That's not the case, and it
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will get the best of you. And then look, the
Dolphins are good. To give him some credit defensively, I
thought they stepped up compared to last week's game versus Baltimore. Um,
you know, really allowing a bunch of players to be
made in that one that wasn't the case in this one.
And and and then, like I know, detractors from Miami
and probably even to UH are gonna say, well, there
were plenty against the Bill's defense that was missed, what
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three or four starters? Okay, I get that, but people
deal with injuries. Teams have to play through that. They've
got a lot of depth too in Buffalo. They should
be able to overcome some of those injuries. Um, but
I think the biggest takeaway from this game, outside of
the fact that the Bills are human, they weren't just
gonna walk through the regular season and and into the playoffs.
And this is, you know, maybe a sign of there's
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a more parody in the a f C East than
we thought. Is the thought too to UH and the
thought you know a lot of people were saying, hey,
it's a head injury, we need to reevaluate this. Helld
the NFL p A after the game was saying that,
come to find out to us, and it was a
back injury. Now, I don't know if he's trying to
cover up for his team, which makes this conversation kind
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of tough because I've told you before, I was with
a team where I had a concussion and we marked
it down as a neck injury, and it was not
a neck injury, and it was just so I could
be healthy going into the regular season. Yes, yeah, well
I might get some people in trouble. That stuff happens
where you have a conversation with the team and and
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you're basically saying like, hey, I want to make sure
I can help the team out and do what I can,
and you might be putting yourself in harm's way, but
it's football. You're always putting yourself in harm's way when
you walk out in that field. Uh. And so that
that's one of the bigger stories is it looked like
to h had you know, when he got thrown down
to the ground. But I believe it was what Matt
Milano that he hit the back of his head and
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it looked like he got up woozy. And that's the
problem is is not being able to have players protect
themselves sometimes. Look, maybe fans don't care about it, but
it was tough watching him get up and stumble and
have a hard time walking around um, you know, dealing
with what looked to be a concussion. What was the
hind board move? He would just pretend like there was
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something wrong with this cli half cramp. Every time he
got his bell rock, he would just reach down and
like feel for his ankle. But yeah, there's something going
on with my I used to like when I used
to black out when I get hit. I was just
used to like act like I was tying my shoe.
I remember one time in Kansas City, though, I like, literally, um,
I got hit and I couldn't I could not see,
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Like my vision was blurry, and I kept rubbing my
eyes thinking like I had something to my eyes, and eventually,
like the way I got hit and knocked my lens
off of my eyes, like it was like I had
to go through this whole training of like how to
see again. It was like the weirdest thing. But that
that's just one of many story will have from getting hit.
So I remember this because it happened a couple of
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months ago. So Pat McAfee was calling a He was
calling a w w E event in Las Vegas, and
then they all went to a UFC event right afterwards
because they were both in town. On the same night
and Pat McAfee was part of the show. He got
into an altercation and the guy allegedly hurt his neck,
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so McAfee to sell it all the way through as
a good company guy for w W. E showed up
to the UFC event and he was wearing a neck
brace because he didn't want he wanted to keep it
going and he didn't want to just show up and
everything was fine, and he's drinking a cocktail watching the
UFC event with this neck brace on to uphold the
same move yesterday, because like he's trying to tell everybody
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it was a back injury. And instead of just telling
everybody it was a back injury, it looked like he
had actually taped an ice pack to his back when
he was talking to the media afterwards. So give him credit.
He's really trying to sell this whole thing. I don't
buy for a single second that it was a back injury.
He slammed his head on the turf, he got up,
he was wobbly. You've had back issues. Do you get
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the stank leg when you're trying to walk away because
of your back issues in a move like that, I
just I don't buy it for a second. And I
think the Dolphins are gonna get a little bit of
heat from this. And I think they're this investigation that
is already being launched because everybody was talking about it.
I think the Dolphins are gonna get some heat for this.
Now what I don't know what sort of punishment it is,
was like a fine, Uh do they make him, you know,
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sit out for a half? Like I don't know what
it's going to result in, but who knows, I don't know.
I mean, what are they gonna do? I mean, look,
he came out for the second half. You gotta miss
the first half of the next game. But I I
want to listen to mean, maybe it should Well, here's
the only thing I'll stay with back injuries. Yeah, you
can have whatever leg or stink foot, whatever you just said.
It's a drop foot. It's it's a real symptom that
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you do have from back injury. So if too was
dealing with something like that, yeah, you can definitely have
some issues with that. That's a real thing. I'm not
going to discount what he was said he was dealing
with from that. I'm just gonna say it looked like
when he got up when he got woozy like that.
You don't get woozy and then need a player to
catch you. Um, that doesn't come from uh that the
lack of stability in your leg. That looked like he
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was having a heart like he was knocked out and
trying to get up, you know, kind of like a
boxer you see get knocked out, but he's still walking
around the ring even though he is not fully there. Um.
Here was to talking about the quote unquote back injury
after the game. Right now, it's tight. I mean it
it was sore when it when it did happen. Um,
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but yeah, I mean any competitor uh that that would
never wanted to come out would have did the same thing.
So I was just trying my hardest to get back
up in uh uh you know, get the next play
and run it. So it's a clarified. Did you hit
the back of your head when you fell down on
that play? Yeah? I did, I did, But I really
I think I really hit my back first, because that's
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what I fell first. I'll tell you what, Man, the
more I see him and have the chance to listen
to him or even talk to him, the more I
love the kid. Like he's he's a warrior people too,
but people tend to forget like, like, let's just go
back for a second. Do people forget back? And what
was the two thousand and is eighteen when he basically
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went had surgery on his ankles to come back sooner
to not even be a hundred percent to go play
Joe Burrow and Ellis And he was going for throw
on a leg and a half, on a leg and
a half, he was limping out or out there. He
was had no business being in that game. This dude's
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a warrior. People need to start appreciating the way he
goes about getting out there to play. And some of
it might be like, hey, look he's trying to impress
a new it coach. He's trying to get that that
second big deal and prove it to his team. I
know it's early. I know we're only three games in
this season. He's proven it to me. I think if
you look at his body of work, he's proven it
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to The sad thing is, there's so many Miami Dolphins
fans and I've got buddies that I've said this to
for a while, and I said, look, he's not justin Herbert.
He's not Josh Allen. He's very capable of being a
starter to franchise quarterback. He is his skill set it is.
He just needed a coach who believed to him. He's
got that now and he's selling out for his team.
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Like I think this dude has loved on the team,
and I think like they got a shot, Like they
literally just stole one there, I mean, And if you
split now, who knows how the rest of the division
ends up looking the a f C East Because you know,
the Bills are getting the injury bug right now and
this could you know, this might only get worse for
them moving forward. Look, people can call us the t
(23:50):
d L all they want the to a Defense League
here on this show, because we've been sticking up for
this guy ever since. Brian, Yeah, kind of. That's why
I had to spell it out and think about it
before I did so I had it correct, did I
actually did so? Listen as part of the TDL the
to a Defense League, we would like to just simp
the you know, sending everybody out there on on a
high note here. We love the kid, We love everything
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about him. We've been telling people about him for a
couple of years. Brian Flores had an out for him.
It was clear. It was obvious they chose to over
Brian Flores, and I think they made the right decision
if it comes down to that. But come on, dude, Uh,
the best move for him after the game would have
been to say, no, I didn't hit the back of
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my head, Like, if you're going to go through with
this whole thing, you need to keep people really on
their toes. And if you would have just said no,
I didn't hit the back of my head, what are
you talking about when it's clear he slammed into the
back of the turf. And then what was his explanation
that he thought he hit his back first? Can we
play that last part again that he thought he had
his back first. This was to a talking to the
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media yesterday. Any competitor, uh that that would never wanted
to come out would have did this same thing. So
I'm just trying my hardest to get back up in
uh uh, you know, get the next play and run it.
So it's a clarified. Did you hit the back of
your head when you fell down on that play? Yeah?
I did, I did, But I really I think I
really hit my back first because that's what I felt. First,
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it was awesome. I have my back. He's almost like
that kid, remember, like you're like junior high or high
school that the teacher just wanted to like they wanted
they wanted to be get mad at or they wanted
to yell at for doing something, but they just had
an excuse that was very probable, and they're like, I
(25:37):
kind of I can't help it. And then their delivery
is such that you like, you can't help but kind
of love the kid, but you want to give them,
you know, you want to give them a hard times. Yeah,
I don't know, I don't know. I hit my head. Yeah,
but for my back, my freaking back. First I broke
my back, thank you. Yeah. I just listen. Look, it's
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the you know, he's the pride of St. Louis High
School in uh on the island of Oahawaii, the the
blowtorch of the Hawaiian Islands. Fox Sports ninety shout out
as they're listening. Yeah, it's a blowtorch. Fox Sports, come on,
you know of course you didn't do the normal blowtorch. Well,
I mean you want me to really? Yeah? That was good,
(26:23):
thank you, Haylee. You know what man, look at how
far he's come. All right. He used to not be
able to do that, and now he can covering a
mic and pulling a blowtorch right here on the air.
That's just phenomenal stuff. Lee, He's really come a long way.
I'm telling you, man, strides we've made. Yeah, this this
is just tremendous stuff. Tremendous. Uh yeah, So so shout out.
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You know, Hawaii's got themselves a warrior, a guy who
you know reportedly is suffering from a back injury as
he uh as he gave the stank leg trying to
get up from hitting in the back of his head
on the turf. So there's that. But the Dolphins are undefeated.
They're the best team in the a f C East
as of now, and that was a fun game to
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Podcast or wherever you get your podcast from. So we've
been talking a lot, obviously NFL coverage throughout the course
of the show here and we made mention of this
earlier in the program. But not not the ideal weekend,
I think it's fair to say for the a f
C West. Outside of the fact that the Denver Broncos
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won on national television UH in an eleven to ten final,
the second time in NFL history that there's been an
eleven to ten score to finish an NFL game. UH.
The Denver Broncos get it done, But overall, kind of
a a subpar weekend when you consider what happened to
the Kansas City Chiefs, the Chargers losing. I have no
idea what to make of the Raiders. Eddie Garcia mentioned
(28:40):
this earlier in the show, that there reportedly was a
closed door meeting between Mark Davis and Josh McDaniels after
the game. I don't know what that's supposed to mean.
What do you think that What do you think Mark
Davis was talking to about, like, hey, what do you
make of my w NBA Championship ring? Or do you
think it was something about something about football team? But
(29:01):
here's a hard thing about Mark Davis trying to move
on from Josh mc daniels. You're paying you can be
paying John Gruden's something. I don't know what that number is,
but there was a settlement. You've got these relocation fees
that you've got to pay, and I assume there's a
half the amount that comes along with that. And now
you're gonna pay what You're gonna fire another coach in
(29:22):
his first year and owe him whatever else is in
the rest of his contract. It's a lot of money
to be shelling out for an owner that made his
money or inherited the team. That's how he made his money.
He's not an owner who was a titan in another
industry and then bought a team. Because he's flushed with cash.
That's not Mark Davis. I mean, you don't have to
look any further than his haircut to go. Come. I'm
(29:45):
just saying. I'm just saying, I mean, can we switch
it up a little bit? I'm just can we switch
it up a little bit? Okay? I mean, well, what's
the problem with this hair? Go? What do you think
it is? You think because it looks like doll hair?
I mean I think it's because someone puts a bowl
in his head and they spin him in his chair.
They just cut, I mean, just cut around the ball.
This is just uh, I think these accusations and it
almost looks like from time to time that it's one
(30:06):
of those bowls that have handles, like they got to
cut around the handles as well, too, because it doesn't
seem like it's all even you know, it's not like
one of those bowls that just you know, a simple bowl.
It does seem like they're cutting around the handles. Also,
what I'm saying, let mean, look, I mean, you know
Lee likes to get after it from time to time.
By the way, Lee, do we have an update? Have
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you yet this NFL season passed out by your fire
pit yet in the backyard with the Packers plastic helmet on?
Does that happen yet this season? No reason to you
quite yet. Okay, So there it is doing good. So
I don't worry, folks that he will figure out a
way to make that happen at some point during the
rest of the regular season. Here are you gonna tell
us about it? This time? Only when you do it? Yeah,
give us the whole story. We want the whole story.
(30:49):
I'll document the whole thing for you. Good. Um, well,
what I'm there for? Yes, okay? Can I can I
ask you this, Brady? All right, I'm gonna give you
a number. You tell me why this number is seven?
The number is seven. What do you think seven is? Uh? Seven? Hold,
(31:09):
it's a touchdown, an extra point and involves the Raiders,
all right, it's uh it's it's potentially the the amount
of times that Lee had to go back to the
liquor store in the course of the weekend. No, I said, seven,
not twenty seven? All right, So there's simply seven. And
it involves the raiders. Um to kill the suspense. It
is their adjusted wind total according to DraftKings like. So
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we have gone from this is a potential playoff team
and a very trendy pick to maybe be the the
surprise team to come out of the a f C West.
To a team that is projected to go seven and
ten this season, well there. I mean, look, let's just
get a win before you even project seven wins. How
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about that? Denver? Denver this upcoming weekend, then you're at
Kansas City. They could climb back into this thing. If
history tells us anything, it's really unlikely being their oh
and three and then playing in a division where I
know it looks bad from this past weekend for the
a f C West, I still think this this group
(32:14):
is going to figure it out. You're gonna get three
teams in the playoffs. I mean I said that before
it's I said Kance City wins it, Chargers Denver. I
still think that's probably gonna happen. I mean, as bad
as Denver's look, there's still two in one. I mean
think about that. For as bad as they looked, I mean,
they won that game last night essentially on one drive
and a Jimmy Garoppolo stepping in the back of the
(32:36):
end zone. So I look at it. I don't know
that I ever really had aspirations for the Raiders this year.
I think they overachieved last year making the playoffs. Berto,
don't get mad when I say this, Okay, I know this,
this frustrate you. I just I kind of thought that
they were a roster that was somewhere in between a
rebuild and and trying to like bring in a few
(32:56):
pieces to make it work. It just doesn't seem like
it's working right now, and maybe they do need to
rebuild this entire roster and it's gonna take a little
more time than most people thought. Um. So, the other
story coming out of the a f C. West is
there was a quote unquote altercation that was caught on
camera between Patrick Mahomes and his offensive coordinator Eric b Enemy. Um.
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You know they were they were getting into it because, uh,
the second quarter was winding down. There was a second
and twenty and the Chiefs ran the ball as opposed
to trying to put some you know, points together, put
a drive together, rather to try and pick up some points.
And Patrick Mahomes was not happy about it. So, of course,
after this altercation that was shown on television, Patrick Mahomes
(33:41):
talked to the media afterwards. I mean at the end
of the day, all I'm I wanted to go try
to score. I mean, that's just who I am. Um,
we were in a tough situation. It was like second
or third and twenty or and something like that, and
the probably the smart decision was so just taking we
had got the ball out of half, let's just go
to the go to half time. But I'm always gonna
be one in the schoo and I mean I pretty
much just said, let me have a chance at it.
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And then he was just like, let's lets let's get
back in the locker room and we'll get some going
for the next half. And um, I guess I don't
know if that's an altercation, but I mean that was
just that was the end of the conversation. You love
it when you hear this stuff, right, when people take
discussions that are being seen on the sideline during a
live NFL game and then people run with it and say, oh,
(34:23):
they were getting into it, they had an altercation. You
love this stuff, don't you. You love when the media
gets here. I wouldn't say I love this stuff. I
think how I describe it is you've got, you know,
a player who's frustrated with how the game's going and
he's frustrated with not you know, having the coaching staff
allow him to do what he does best, make plays,
(34:44):
and you know you get to see it. I mean, look,
we saw Ken Dorsey, you know, explode after the Bills lose.
It was and it just shows you. You know, some
people are like, oh, he's crazy or he's psycho, he's this. No,
he's passionate about it. Like if people understood how much
time goes into this, the fact that three nights a week,
these coaches are sleeping at the facility, they're not seeing
(35:06):
their family, Like for an entire season, they're not seeing
their family, and they're right there, they're probably a ten
twenty minute drive away. They don't get to see their kids,
they don't get to see their wife, because that's how
devoted they are to this stuff. Like, I don't think
that most people understand the type of job that that
they're that they're in, and so when things don't work
out the way you'd like them to, of course you're
(35:27):
gonna see people explode or react. Or for a player
you're playing through injuries, playing through things and being frustrated,
of course you're gonna have confrontation you would. If you
didn't care, you wouldn't have confrontation, if you didn't fight
from time to time. It probably means you're indifferent, you
don't really care. So I just reviewed it his Hey, look,
he's just trying to get his point across, and a
(35:50):
lot of times, you know, for example, not to go
to the college you know, realm and and try to
make sense of all it. But go look at Drew
Pines stats. Since Tommy Reeves shoot his ass out, Go
look at the stats since then, he's completely like seventy
eight percent of his passes. I think he's strown four
or five touchdown passes, throwing for like five yards or something.
What do you mean didn't Clay Travis say that North
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Carolina was going to win that game over the way?
That's right, Yeah, that was that was his blood bank guarantee.
Tap the veins, folks tapped up. He's the worst gambler.
It's the wonder that show went defunct. I'm just saying,
I know we took over for his time slot, but like,
don't come on our show as a guest to our
(36:31):
show and trying to take shots and then absolutely just
miss I mean nothing, but nothing. This and I we
love Clay Travis all right. He's a good guy, Clay
and was very supportive of us here on this show.
You you're talking Are you talking about the gambling show?
Are you're talking about? Okay? Yeah, Um, So here's the
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this is the part that I think is so funny
about this. So you see Ken Dorsey in the booth
and of course people are making a mockery of it
and be like, oh, you know, you should keep your
composure and and all this stuff, and he slams. And
also end of the game in which you were so
close to having a chance to win that game, you
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were completely exhausted. Everybody was coming down with a cramp.
It was a back and forth battle. That's a that's
a wild situation to be in. Sons beating down on
the sideline for Buffalo the entire game. They're completely worn out.
Josh Allen's worn out. It was a physical game. It's
a division game and you come up short because the
guy can't get out of bounds and you run out
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of time. I don't know who wouldn't be frustrated. Bills
fans are. Probably they'll throw themselves through tables when they're
happy you don't think they weren't throwing stuff watching that
play out, and it's like he doesn't know that the
cameras on him when he when he's getting frustrated watching
all this stuff. It's just you're seeing Tom Brady get
reprimanded because he broke a couple of tablets. You see
Quinnin Williams getting the face of his defensive line coach.
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You see Patrick Mahomes and Eric b Enemy go at it.
What do you think? What do you expect people getting
road rage fights all the time? This This is actually
their job. They actually give a rip about this stuff.
And every time there's an altercation, people turn it into
all this is not a good example to set, or
you need to have better composure again, kiss my ass.
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In the heat of the moment, people get heated. This
is the way this works. I don't have any issue
with it whatsoever. And when you hear Mahomes and Andy
Reid talk about it afterwards, almost laugh because they're like,
why why is this even a story? Like like, why
is this There was no real altercation, We were just
frustrated in the moment. I don't know. There's so many
times that, um, you know, you kind of react that
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way and you kind of look back and laugh on
it too. But I just I mean, look, this stuff happens.
People are passionate about it, and and they put a
lot of blood, sweat and tears into it. They really do.
And I know people feel like, well they're compensated. Well
they yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that you know,
there's not gonna be emotions involved in all of it.
I mean, for a lot of guys like this as
their legacy now, that frustration is real. Um. And I
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think for Buffalo and Miami in particular, that reaction from
Ken Dorsey stems deep. Right, he played at the University
of Miami. You don't think he wanted to come back
there and get a win. Of course, you know, you
don't think he wants. And plus you don't think he
knows how important that is for their chances and the division,
like that's their competition in the AFC East. I hate to,
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you know, break it to you if you're a Patriots fan,
if you're a Jets fan, I know, I know the
Jets are getting really upset because the're keeping all their receipts.
How this past week go? How about them apples Hey,
New England looks like they are miles away from Miami
and Buffalo right now. Well, and look credits in Miami
and Buffalo, Like you know, it's they're doing the other two.
You know, Mac Jones is hurt now he'by out for
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a while. I mean, just the whole thing is, that
was a huge game in the you know, conversation for
whether or not they could potentially host a playoff game,
and they dropped one. And now you're behind the a ball,
at least in regards to the Dolphins. Yeah. I just uh,
the the the outrage, uh and and expecting a different
reaction when some things like that goes down. I don't
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get it. These guys are fired up, and good for them.
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