October 10, 2023 • 42 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Raiders take care of the Packers in a mediocre Monday Night Football. Deshaun Watson may skip the game vs the Niners. News breaks that the Vikings plan to place Justin Jefferson on the IR, effectively crushing their hopes for the season. LaVar details his “howling at the moon” rituals and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar airings and rating win and Jonas
Knox on.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Radio Man oh Man. Nothing quite like some mediocre football
on Monday night to finish up your week five.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Huh, well, that's kind of how it's been. I mean,
it's uh, you know, it's always interesting too. When you
I hadn't watched the pregame coverage for ESPN before, then, Wow,
that is not what it used to be. I remember
watching like Monday night football as a kid, and and
you tune in and it just it felt like I
(00:41):
felt like there was musty TV. Yes, Chris Berman, uh,
Tom Jackson. They would do like a little piece before
and then.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Like all that.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
It was all yeah, it was great. They had the
helmets colliding. Remember the helmets would collide on the screen. Yeah,
all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
That is not what ESPN is doing anymore. It is.
It's tough, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I immediately changed to the Banning cast, and I actually,
I mean obviously as a former player, I enjoyed listening
to them talk about stuff and you know, listening to
them also at the same time try to make it
as as simple as possible for the average ye were
to listen to.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
But it's I mean, it's entertaining, and they've got a
good little.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Back and forth or rapport and the Desmond Howard on
and Jimmy Kimbo. It was funny when Desmond got on,
they kind of started ripping each other a little bit,
which was nice.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, well, listen, we got to start telling truth.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Here on this show. Okay, what's that truth?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
The Green Bay Packers are not a good football team.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Oh are they missing someone? Like? Is there someone who
would make them a lot better? Randall Cobby okay, okay,
Jordy Nelson, Yeah, maybe have been there a while.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, I just I watched that game last night and
I'm like, both these teams are in no man's land,
Like it just feels like green Bay's you know, they're
they're obviously David Baktiari, which by the way, that we
didn't get a chance to talk about that. Another surgery
out for out again, So that's obviously a tough loss
for them. He still hasn't, you know, figured out a
(02:14):
way to come back from that injury. Jones was out,
Aaron Jones was out there, So there are there is
some stuff going on there, but it just feels like
they're further away than maybe, you know, we initially thought.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Okay, so it's just injuries that have played a role
in this, that's all. That's all you're saying.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, I mean I can't imagine, like who who do
you think, Like, oh, Mason Crosby, he's not there. I'm
trying to think was there a big change anywhere else?
I think that's pretty much it. I mean, yeah, Oh
you mean Aaron Rodgers. Oh you mean him not being there? Yeah,
that seems like a significant loss.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Like like, if there's one thing Brett Farv or Aaron
Rodgers didn't do, thanks for thanks, it was probably not
throw three interceptions.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah, I mean he was pretty good at it with
his touchdown interception ratio.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Actually, he's got the best in NFL history, if I'm
not mistaken. So that's one thing that he just he
didn't put his team in too many tough spots by
throwing a bunch of interceptions.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
That was not his style of play. And it's just
he never really did it.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I mean, his last year, he had went twelve in
Green Bay. Before that, you'd have to go back to
twenty ten it's the last time he had double digits.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, never turned the ball over. That was always a
positive with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
I'd have to go through his game blogs.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I can't even tell you how many times he's had
he had he's had three interceptions in a game in
his career.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, we should look that up. Lead to lab Can
we look down how many times Aaron Rodgers threw multiple
interceptions in a game?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Evert three? Yeah? Three?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, So we are efforting, We are efforting that, we will,
we will provide the answers.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
He did it twice. I know Dak Prescott did the
same thing. Yeah, War used to that though.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Huh two thousand and nine he did it savage.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
All right, so there's some some interesting interesting comments postgame
though from the Packers defense. First, we do have the answer.
Let's go live to our seven. It is a turnover
Tuesday edition of the show. Lead to lap three interception
games for Rogers.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Five of those five games with three interceptions.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Really, yes, I'm auditing that right now because I don't
trust me. I've got four so far. Still not a lot.
I mean, how many games has he played? Played a lot?
He played a lot. That's still not a lot in
the grants game of things.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Lear are we positive on?
Speaker 6 (04:49):
That?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Used him outraged?
Speaker 5 (04:50):
If Brady would question he had I'll trust Brady's math here.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I'll well, we never know what Lee was doing last night,
so that always factors.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
He watched the game, but we don't know. If you
see now, you don't know what was up after that liverloo.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
That is that is twenty two he had won. He
had had one game like that in twenty seventeen as well,
And you have to go back to is it two
thousand and eight, two thousand and nine?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Is that what you have?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Ly?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, he's got a let's see, Yeah, that's what I
have too.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yeah, that's what you got.
Speaker 7 (05:26):
Yeah, that's exactly what Brady great mindstick of like you.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Know, that's exactly what I had.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
All Right, So I want you guys listen to something
because this feels like I don't I don't know if
this is passive aggressive or just real honesty in a
moment acknowledging what his team really is, and it was
Jay r Alexander, the defensive back for the Green Bay Packers,
(05:53):
who last night afterwards talked about the mentality of the defense. No,
what they've got on offense.
Speaker 8 (06:02):
I think at this point it's pretty obvious that the
defense has to not give up, you know. I think
that's the part of being self critical of our defense,
because you know, the offense is pretty young, you know,
and this deal figuring out and mojo, so you know,
the defense we gotta you know, we got to be
the warrants to score and stop them responding.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
So news flash, you ain't shutting people out. Yeah, but
when you're not going to get shutouts ed like, like,
it's nice to say, oh, well, it's a young offense.
You held you held the Raiders the seventeen points. What's
the magic number? Q? What twenty one? The defense hold
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holds a team to twenty. That was Pittsburgh's. That was Pittsburgh,
was it? Yeah? I don't know. I used to hear
when we were on defense, we'd be like, do not
let them break twenty. Don't let them break twenty. If
we if we don't let them break twenty, we're going
to be good. Like that was the league. Now, that
was the only time I ever heard don't let them
break twenty. But that was what we used to always hear,
(07:07):
or at least that's why you used to always here
was don't let them break twenty. So they held them
to seventeen points. I mean, you're in the pros. I mean,
I don't know to think that a defense could hold
a team to a shutout through four quarters on a
consistent basis. You're talking about the greatest teams in the
(07:30):
history and the greatest defensive units in the history of
the game. Didn't I mean, how many shutouts would they
have had over the course of an entire season.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Maybe one? Two. I mean, you, if you really think.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
About it, it's just that's not something that you really
you know, that's not really something that's a true expectation
that they should have, is to shut a team out.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's kind of interesting though, that, you know, the guy
on defense to saying, well, it's our job to score
points because the offense is young, Like I don't know
that I've ever heard that before. That he's just saying, well,
you know, the offense is still growing, so we've got
to go ahead and stop teams and then we've got
to score.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I mean, look, he's not wrong. Er Jones's last night,
their own lines banged up. Aaron Jones was hurt, is
out with the hamstring injury. He's probably the one piece
you'd like to rely on, and he's not there. Their
their receivers are you know, second year players. Jordan Love
it's his first year starting. There's just there is a
lot of youth and you know, and or inexperience, depending
(08:32):
on how you look at it. So I can I
can understand his point, you know, he's he's an interesting
character to listen to talk, you know, but it's they've
still they've got holes in their roster that are now
being exposed. I mean, that was probably one of the
better rushing performances for Las Vegas all year.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
They have not been able to run.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
The football effectively, and of course they do it versus
the Packers because the Packers have been to stop the
run in the past decade.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I mean, seriously, if you.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Go back look at all their their you know, falters
in the postseason, they can't stop the run. They have
for whatever reason, doesn't matter who the defensive cordinator has been,
they have not been able to provide enough, you know,
ability upfront to stop the run to give them a
shot in the postseason. That's just the reality of it.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
It is. It has literally hampered them forever. So that's
what issue.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
The other issues that you know, they've got a young
quarterback that's going to make mistakes from the football over
and they were banking on him being another Hall of
Famer and it's gonna be hard for him to play
at that level his first year starting. Rogers didn't do
it either. We talked about this before, so for Packers fans,
it could be tough. You know, this is the worst
record they've had since the twenty twelve I think over
(09:47):
a decade. They haven't had a worse start to the
first five games this season, and that's going to come.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
With the territory of, you know, a new quarterback.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Trying to find his way and this offense trying to
find its way with so much youth in an experience.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
And you know, Packers fans shouldn't panic. It looked bleak early.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
On too for Rogers, and then it all turned around
the next year. So it's going to take time. I know,
no one has any patience anymore, but that's the reality
of football and that's how this stuff works.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
And it wouldn't like they were a playoff team last
year with Rogers, so.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
No, but there was a lot of things that amounted
up to that. You know, I think you look at
the roster. Round him away didn't help.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, you know what, they weren't a playoff team last
year because they ran into the biting kneecaps of Dan
Campbell and those fighting Detroit Lions. That's why who are
running rough shot over that division?
Speaker 7 (10:35):
Now if that's saying now, no, you can't even though
I didn't. Jonas did lose that bed Week a team
last year.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Oh bs, I on the four points. That was one
of my big wins last year got me to five
hundred for the year on my Knox locks.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Stop. You were not at five. I was.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I finished five hundred last year on Knox locks.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Y God knocks locks. I've never been around. I got
self promotes for you know, LaVar has his own show.
He doesn't talk about it all the time.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
That's not true. I'm trying to put you another In.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
Fact, I said two pros of a cup of Joe
twice on Saturday? Did you for you?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
You would?
Speaker 7 (11:15):
I don't want to slip up and say two pros
of a coup of one? The tagline punch break?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
All right, all right, great talk, okay, all right, we
got we got to.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
I was like, it's up one game, everybody. I did
it twice. If you didn't, What did TJ say? Was like,
oh man one.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I don't know if it was TJ or the like, man,
you almost two pros.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Why did it sound like that?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Man? Because we cool man. We don't sound like that.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, you know, We're like.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
We're more like.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
This, you know, I got it's like you know odds
like hey man say, hey man, he doing man?
Speaker 4 (12:03):
You dig? Yeah, we're good man. Then on you know, Monday.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
Through Friday, it's like, hey, money, do you mind if
I borrow a little bit of sugar?
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Hey man, let me see this LeVar?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
What kind of game if we're in the locker room,
would you mean Jonas play versus what you backgammon?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Would we wouldn't be throwing?
Speaker 7 (12:33):
We would be no no, you would have bandan on
playing in the background while while we bull jab. And
now that I didn't got to know q Q got
some gangster anymore? Don't let all that smooth look for
that pretty ass smile full you que guys, Doug, you
(12:54):
got what thug passion?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Pause? And you know what would would you be playing
with the I was playing talk I told you I
played Talk. Yeah, that was my. That was my. That
was a popular game.
Speaker 8 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
That's basically like Spades. Right, it's like Rummy five hundred.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
What they say the institutional name or or the the
correct name is Rummy five hundred, which is you know, white.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
The white version. It's like, all right, Johnson, let's go
play this. Well, come on, what you guys today? You know,
I got some cards, I got a deck. What do
you want to do? I mean, the real white versions,
ker if they walked out here, you want to play
some uker? See I ain't even never heard that. You
(13:40):
learning the hard up on a new very similar to Spades,
white people.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, damn man, it is Frost.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
You trying to say how it should sound on Saturdays. Uh,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Two Pros, Cup of Joe.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
That's got to be racist.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, I'm not trying to get canceled.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
So sorry, that's how. That's how we're gonna go with it.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Apologize. I just want to want you to know that.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
So be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros
and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington,
and Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am
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Speaker 2 (14:30):
So we're at week five is just wrapped up in
the NFL, and you know, we we're bye week season,
so we got teams that are having bye weeks. One
of the teams that was on a bye this past
week was the Cleveland Browns. They watched the AFC North
just do what the AFC North does, which is never
makes sense, and the Baltimore Ravens losing to Pittsburgh. And
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we talked all about all that yesterday, and one of
the stories that we kind of threw out there was,
you know, Deshaun Watson and this shoulder injury and this
issue that he had, Like, you know, they got the
Niners coming up after what we saw the Niners do
to Dallas on primetime and what they've done to everybody, Like,
you know, I wonder if Deshaun Watson would just not
play in this game either because he was medically cleared
(15:14):
to play the previous week against Baltimore and often not
to that according to his head coach Kevin Stefanski. And
so you know, Stefanski was asked about it yesterday and
Stefanski just said, hey, listen, he's he's day to day,
he's working to get better, and when asked whether or
(15:35):
not he's optimistic about it, Stefanski just declined to comment
and just say, yeah, you know, we're just working through this,
trying to get better every single day. So I'm a
little confused because if the shoulder was healthy enough that
he was medically cleared but he decided not to play,
I would assume the bye week would do his body
good and he would be ready to go this next week.
(15:56):
The fact that this is even still a question or
even up in the air. We were joking yesterday, but
it seems like there's a legitimate possibility he might miss
this week as well too.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Who do they play this week?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
That's the forty nine ers?
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Gosh, oh we don't they come in our house? Oh no,
you know that a use.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
So either Stefanski gave out bad info last week and
said he was medically cleared when he wasn't, or Deshaun
Watson just doesn't want to play.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
Or he got medically unclear during the clearity, like somewhere
in between the clear and unclear is something could have happened.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Oh so he got a clear and then he got
a second opinion.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Is this is clear like at the airports? Is that
where you're talking? He could have involved clear at like
he went through Clear. There's a miss, there's a miscommunication.
Stevansky was like, you know that's shots you have Clear,
and he's like, yeah, I go go through Clear all
the time.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
They take anything off anything, you know. Yeah, it's actually
a nice service. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
What's the difference between clear and TSA pre check?
Speaker 4 (16:48):
TSA pre check?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Uh, the only difference is you just have to get
your ID checked when you go through with Clear. They
do it beforehand. So he's kind of walked by the
TSA department.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
That's sweet.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Yeah, The problem is that.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
It doesn't necessarily mean you don't have to take stuff
off though you have to have TSA pre and Clear
in order for that to be the case.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
I got you.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well, listen, Deshaun Watson maybe doesn't have either. So because
I don't, I just want to know what happened in
the course of what did happen he was medically cleared
and then he decided he just didn't want to play.
What happened in the hour before kickoff against Baltimore that
Deshaun Watson decided, Yeah, I can't give it a go,
(17:31):
And I wonder how the hell is this landing in
Cleveland with not only people in the locker room, but
also fans there who are going, dude, are you serious?
Like this is where?
Speaker 4 (17:45):
No, I think it is? What is it? What I
think it is? I think I think.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
I think Deshaun Watson is just I mean, you know,
I have laughters, all right, Yeah? No, so you know
I think that really in the scenario that he finds
himself in, he's got to make sure that he's one
hundred percent healthy because y'all don't allow for him to
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do the rehab processes that he has done in the
past that has allowed him to play at the highest
of levels that he's played at. So if he's not
going to be clear to be able to prepare and
recover and stay supple the way that he has successfully
(18:34):
done it, y'all can't possibly expect him to be the
same type of player that he once was.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Great, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Well, I want to know is why Jonas, Like, I
wonder what Cleveland? Just tell us what you want to say,
Johnnys instead of throwing out the question, well.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I'm just I'm not a Cleveland Brown fan. So I
don't I wonder how this lands then, because I think
there are some Cleveland Brown fans who are just going
to be loyal no matter of what.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
The brown it's plural.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Brown, like basically, you got to be of a certain
background to be able.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
To, let me tell you something, if your if your
franchise leaves and goes and wins two Super Bowls elsewhere,
then you get to be called whatever I call you.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
That's what that did happen, Bang bang bang bang.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Nobody's safe, no one from the knocks. I just this
would piss me off if I if I was a
member of the roster and I'm looking around, going, dude,
you sat out against Baltimore when we needed you. Rookie
got got thrown under the bus and we got waxed
at home, and then we got an opportunity to play
the Niners and really see where we're at as an organization.
(19:44):
And still this is a question mark. If he doesn't play.
Somebody's lying.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Can I be I can I be honest with you?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
From my interpretation from Browns fans, look, maybe I'm wrong,
Like maybe they can hit us up on social media and.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Tell me otherwise.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
From the Browns fans I've talk to, they're in on
to Shawn because they feel like it gives them a
chance to get the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
And win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
So despite whatever happened before he got there, despite this
sort of thing, they're all in. They really like they're like, yeah,
but you know, he's really good when he's healthy, so
like there's always kind of that like excuses, Yeah, well,
you know, that was the guy when he was in Houston.
He doesn't do all that massage stuff anymore. Like there's
always an excuse. So my feeling has been the fan
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base is bought in because they understand that they have
to be bought in because this is what the future
looks like. This Browns team is led by to Shawn Watson.
They made a huge financial commitment to him, and whether
they hit it this year or not, it doesn't matter.
They're not moving on from him. So maybe it's just
more he's playing the long game. He feels like he's protected.
(20:51):
He could take his time to come back and be
one hundred percent. And mind you, he hasn't looked great
this year, So if that's the case, maybe he feels
like he doesn't want to go back out there, and
look how he did finishing the season last year, which
wasn't great.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
He had great in three years.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Well yeah, And I think that's the problem is as
far as the Browns fans perspective, they don't care.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
They just remember the year that he played really great
and people called him a top five quarterback. That's all
they that's all they want to talk about.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Hey, but when he's healthy, he's the top Okay, well
he's not healthy, So that's that's where they're at. That's
at least the Browns fans that I've talked to about it,
because there is no other option. We already sold dtr
There's a tough spot duty for him as a rookie.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
But that was that was.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
A glimpse as far as what it could look like.
So they've made their bed. Now they're going to lay
in it. And this is you know, this is what
happens when you give a guy two hundred and thirty
million dollars fully guaranteed, is he can make these sort
of decisions.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
And if you're Kevin Stefanski, what do you say to him?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
He's Deshaun Watson has better job security in Cleveland than
Kevin Stefanski. So what what can can in Stefanski say
to Deshaun Watson that motivates enter makes them want to play?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
M hmm, yeah, what can you say?
Speaker 7 (22:11):
I mean, what a prohmesy must be the money, Like,
I don't, I don't know what the motivation would be
would be to probably try to salvage your career and
salvage your your reputation as a player.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Okay, but his career is not going to end after
this year? True?
Speaker 7 (22:30):
Well, well here here's all I'm saying is I'm just
trying to make sense of where we're at with it
right now. What what would be the motivation as as
it would stand. I mean that that would kind of
have to only be the only thing it is right.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
That matters to them.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Let me let me throw this at you. Has Baker
Mayfield had a better career, had a better year than
Deshaun Watson?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Yes, okay, so far?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Has joh Has Josh Dobbs had a better year than
Deshaun Watson?
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Yes, so far?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
And they traded him because they wanted to go with
Dtrs the backup quarterback there so much so that the
GM I think it was. The GM was asked last
week if they had any reservations about trading away Josh
Dobbs two weeks before the season. So this is a
guy who's getting paid two hundred and thirty million dollars guaranteed,
and a backup who they traded away to Arizona's having
(23:23):
a better year than him, and the guy they got
rid of so they could get him for two hundred
and thirty million guaranteed is having a better year than him,
and Browns fans are just gonna wear it when he
decides he doesn't want to play against Baltimore and maybe
doesn't want to play against San Francisco. That's just there's
committed and then there's that I don't know, man, And
(23:43):
to Brady's point, they don't really have any other options.
So you deal with what you get to deal with.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Gart I mean, look, Cleveland may draft someone this offseason,
but again, they draw you.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
They just drafted dtr.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Said, there's no one putting pressure on DeShawn Watson when
you have a contract like that, and I'll be honest,
like I've heard from some fun office perspectives, it's one
of the reasons why until you have a guy that's
really solidified himself as as a dude, or as the
young kids say, as him, i'm him. Until you have
a quarterback who has done that at your spot, who's
(24:21):
i'm him, I'm him, then you can go ahead and
give them that huge contract. Because once you give the
huge contract, there's really not much you can say.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
You you hope that that contract is a partnership as
you work together.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
But the difference is Cleveland and the Haslam family who
obviously paid for Deshaun Watson to come there, like that
was the incentive to go to Cleveland. Now, granted, I've
heard like it was Atlanta people talked about. I've heard
some from from from some other folks that was gonna.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Be the Saints. Whatever the case is on.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
New Orleans was in the mix too.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Huh Yeah, yeah, I was told.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I told myself, whatever the case is, it doesn't matter
in the end, because they offer the best contract. He
took it. It's it's life changing, its generational wealth. We
get that. But that's what they did to get him there.
But he doesn't have any earned equity with them. He's
still trying to earn that, but I don't think that
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he cares to right now. The contract is the contract
he's playing the long game. He's like, Yeah, if I'm
not one hundred percent, I'll just you know, sit out.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
So I am.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I mean he should do the right thing and give
Phil Dawson his jersey back. Personal, I mean, we're gonna
be fair.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
But that's the that's the four that I know. Yeah,
clutch love Phil big time.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
Oh there's a lot of people that know this, this
four clutch four whole big, big time. He was clutching
big time when it really mattered, you know, the negotiations.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Hey, by the way, just a little bit of a
there's a I mean real big when he needs I
don't know if this is conser or breaking news? Is
this breaking news here?
Speaker 7 (26:02):
On?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
All right?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Do we want to go with with with Eddie Garca Lee?
Do we want to go with Eddie on this? We'll
just throw it. I mean, I don't know if we
need official breaking news on it. It's not like it's
life altering.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Well you might already kind of made it a big deal.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I know I did. Yeah, can we clean this up
of the podcast on breaking news? Yeah, it's not that
big of a deal. All right, So we do have
some sort of breaking news, but it's fun to play
the imaging. Anyways, here early in the morning, let's turn
it over to Eddie Garcia for.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
The breaking news from Fox Sports.
Speaker 9 (26:35):
Tom Pelissar reporting the Minnesota Vikings planned a place wide
receiver Justin Jefferson on injured reserve because of his hamstream
tree suffered in the lost to Kansas City. Exact timelined
to be determined how he responds to treatment, So out
at least four games Justin Jeffers.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
Wow, So well that's breaking news for certain. I don't
know why you would have thought that wasn't breaking news.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Well, it's not like it's a season ender.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Well it's not, but it means there are seasons for sure.
Look at their next four games.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
A second, is this toe tag Tuesdays? Are we just
we're just burying people?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Well, hold on, they're one in four right now after
the lost of kid series last week. The only thing
they have going for him is the fact that they
haven't played a divisional game.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
But yet, when does that start? This week?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
This week they're at Chicago, and then two weeks after
that they're got Green Bay and I mean they've got
two divisional games, which I mean again, it just seems unlikely.
Without their best player. They're gonna be able to survive this.
They've got San Francisco after Chicago, which is on what
Monday night football. I mean, I just they're they're not
(27:42):
gonna be able to survive this. And so yeah, it's
not the end of the season for him, but four
games is the minimum and we don't know how much
longer it could be.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
So yeah, they said they were going to slow play it,
but I don't know, they go thought.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I mean, four out of their next six are on
the road. It's not like the most difficult because they've
got for in there Atlanta, obviously Chicago this week Jonas's
Chicago Bears. But for the six of those games are
on the road in that span.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
It's over Lebar. They go, they go, that's a rep
that'll do it.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Well.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Listen. Like I said, the Minnesota Twins are in a
one to one battle with Houston and their their divisional
series and the ALE playoffs. So there is some hope there.
You know, maybe the Tea Wolves all rally, you know,
the Minnesota Wilder around, like, there's options there in Minnesota.
They got a lock on it.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I think bigger questions is what does that mean? For
Kirk Cousins, what does that mean for I mean, he's
heading into free agency. There's so many things up in
the air. And then what do you do with the roster?
Do you look at it and say we're going to rebuild.
I mean, they've got some veteran pieces on that team
that have played well this year despite the fact that
win loss record doesn't look good.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, and this is the year if you want to
be in the draft for a quarterback to peer with
Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
This it's a good year. It's a good year. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, so it could be that year could be.
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Speaker 2 (29:46):
So if you are just tuning in, Eddie Garcia mentioned
this in his update Justin Jefferson. It was announced about
an hour or so ago he is being put on
IR with the hamstring issue that he suffered and popped
up in Sunday's game against Chiefs, So he will.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
Be out season, is going on IR for the next
four weeks. Yeah, that's over.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
They're done. They're They're just they're done. And you know,
it felt like bradyk At look at it this way.
You were optimistic a week ago with them.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah, I was because I mean again, they still haven't
played any divisional games. They do this week for Chicago,
so we'll see how they fare in that regard. The
other thing is, I think, you know, as far as
the targets catches production all that, if they're starting to
catch up, I mean, Hockinson and Addison combined equate to
about what they're losing in Justin Jefferson, but at one
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point he was leading the league and receiving I mean,
this is a huge loss for a team that when
you look at their entire offensive game plan. They it
takes him about two series to figure out what the
defense is doing because they're trying to figure out what
the defense is doing to take away Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
I mean, if you.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Watch the Monday night broadcast, especially the Manning cast, they
talked a lot about, say Adams and how the defenses
are they going to match up Jerreal Alexander and leave
one on one or they're going to double them, And
that's really the game within the game is understanding how
defenses are trying to play you and what they're trying
to take away because you have certain players who are
extraordinary talents. Adams is that in Las Vegas, obviously, Jefferson
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is that in Minnesota. And so you take away that
piece and you don't really have as big of a
difference maker out there, and so that that's gonna be
the trouble I think for Minnesota moving forward is teams
don't have to be quite as concerned about the big
playability of Justin Jefferson moving forward, at least for the
next four games or until he comes back.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
By the way, how about the run of bad luck
for Elijah Viraa Tucker in New York Jets.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Or Kirk feel for him, dude, Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I mean so Elijah Viraa Tucker last year gets the
tricep injury that ends his season in Denver against the Broncos.
That was the same Gay Breeese Hall of Separate injury,
and also they lost him in that game, and that
was sort of we've talked about this before, sort of
the line of where their season took a turn, like
that was that point with those injuries that they started
(32:09):
to catch up. And then on Sunday's game, he tears
his achilles. He actually played a play after he tore it,
walked off crazy, It's unbelievable, walked off under his own power.
But now they find out torn achilles, his season's over.
So two straight years suffers a season ending injury on
the same field, in the same place, and it's not
(32:30):
like they're going there often, it's not a divisional rival,
but back to back years in Denver and his season's done.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
That's what he's trying to say.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Just sucks.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Feel bad that I thought you're making a comment about
the field itself.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
No, it is grass, so yeah, I can't really blame it.
Speaker 7 (32:47):
On that, but and that is an offensive Lineman. You know,
so that's you can't you can't afford to lose a
lot of them, you know, especially if they're not.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Right, especially because they've been running the football well, I mean,
if you're got to put everything on Zach wilsons shoulder,
I'm not sure that's the game plan you won. Even
though he did, he's looked better in the past couple
of weeks.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, he's their best alignment, right Elijah Vera Tucker, Yeah,
I think that's fair. They've moved him around a little bit.
And I know they've got Makai becked in. Beckton got
banged up in that game, didn't too, didn't he?
Speaker 4 (33:24):
I think been kind of banged up this year.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:28):
Can I revisit Kirk Cousins? I mean, I know we
want to get through Kirk. Can we Kirk? You know,
Kirk Cousins, not Kurt Kirk Kirk Kirk. I did call
him Kirk.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Because I remember when you head coaches called him that before,
LaVar when you were doing radio in Washington. I remember
you saying that, you know, r G three was going
to be the better quarterback than Kirk Cousins. Like you
went on the air with that and you were just
disgusted that the Washington Commandos drafted.
Speaker 7 (33:57):
That would be inaccurate. But what I would have probably
he said back then, was talk about buy into your
your your top draft pick. When you use another another
draft pick on on a quarterback within a round, that
maybe you could find it's still at the quarterback's position
in the same draft I did. I was responsible for
(34:19):
saying that, and I did end up being correct that
Kirk Cousins would end up being the last minute standing
But Kirk Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Was it Jake Cruden who called him? He called him
Kurt k So what does this mean for Kirk Cousins?
Like Cherman Whedon? Yeah, what doesn't mean for Cousins?
Speaker 7 (34:41):
What is this stretch like Kenny said, obviously he could
solidify or could he? Is it solidifiable to play well
in this stretch where Jefferson is out? But what if
he doesn't get it done? What if it is bad
slatting moving forward? For for Cousins.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
He's not back in then next year?
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Is that? Do you think it goes that far?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I mean he is a free agent, and I think
the tough thing with with Kirk Cousins is he's not
going to take a discount, you know, like we've known
him to. I mean, he's gonna get paid what he
believes his market value is.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Somebody else will pay him.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Uh yeah, I think there's always teams out there who
see value on that. The problem is is it he's
getting up there in age, right, He's what thirty five
years old now, And I think most agents try to
sell teams on the fact that, Hey, my guys like
Tom Brady, he's gonna play till he's forty five because
they want to get another big butte at the Apple.
But the truth of the matter is most guys don't
(35:39):
play till they're forty five, and most don't play as
high of a level as Tom Brady did.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
So that's probably he has.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Tom yet well no, no one has no but they
but they try to convince them that they've got the
longevity that Tom's or.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
These agents they'll sell you anything. They will sell water
to a whale. They would wolf tickets, is what Jonas
tells me.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah, I love those wolf tickets big time. How I'm
talking to the season, Hey, what are you going to
start piping in some Halloween music? Sam? When's that gonna happen.
Speaker 7 (36:19):
Yeah, come or start playing holiday music. You know that
love so much? That'll thing it is clean. You know
I do that every full moon. I did tell you that, right,
I'll be out on all fours out on the mountain.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
That's not true. It really, it really is true. You
go outside on all fours and I start howling.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
Yeah, if I see if it is a full moon.
If I feel a full moon, it's like it calls me.
And then I go outside and I drop on all
fours and I run over to the to.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
The Are you wearing clothes at least?
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Can sometimes? Sometimes not? Damn? Can I ask this without
natural like getting judged? Are you in drugs when you
do that? No, okay, it's a fair question.
Speaker 7 (37:08):
I'm a mammal, king of the mammals, So sometimes you
just got to go on all fours and and like
go towards the moon.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
And howling the pill.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I remember when Todd Morinovitch did that. He was in
somebody's fountain and he was just on drugs. So that's
why it's a first question.
Speaker 7 (37:28):
I mean, I don't pass out after I'm sitting there like, oh,
like I'm ready, I'm like I'm ready to go over
the wall and start hunting deer and stuff like that
and like move through through the give me.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
The pasted out the Oh, that's amazing. I like it.
Speaker 9 (37:52):
I like it.
Speaker 7 (37:52):
My howling at the moon, so this is a true story.
I would go sit under the moon with my granddad
when I was of age in college and we would
drink I think I told you all this story. We
would drink a jar of moonshine and we would do
it before every season. One time we just drink, like
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we would sit back there and we'd be howling at
the moon while we was drinking moonshine together and I
never got sick and I never got hurt. And the
one the first year I didn't do it with him
after we had started doing that. And I'm not super
you know, super superstitious or anything like that, but the
first year we didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
I got hurt. I started getting hurt.
Speaker 7 (38:34):
I got hurt pretty much every season after that and
was done.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
True story. Now I was like on some Richie Vilans type.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Stuff, are you still drinking moonshine or no?
Speaker 7 (38:45):
No, I haven't drank moonshine since I was in Maryland,
So that's probably been over like a decade that I've had.
But I used to get Like my man Corey Raymer,
who was an offensive lineman for us, he used to
make it.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
And he made this one.
Speaker 7 (39:01):
He made apple pie, which was phenomenal, and he made uh,
strawberries and cream, and that one was phenomenal to like,
not strawberries and cream, but but strawberry shortcake, strawberry shortcake.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
If you need more moonshine, just go check Lee's glove box.
It should be a couple of jars in there or something.
Speaker 7 (39:23):
The cheap the cheap ones though, because you know that's
what he likes, by his own admission, by the way,
not that's not me putting him out.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I you had moonshine before? Yeah, that moonshine? Sure?
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Yeah? Ask Lee, like, do you have moonshine somewhere in
your house or with you?
Speaker 5 (39:38):
No, it's in a listerene body I do. I stay
away from the moonshine. I've tried it, but I stay
away from the moonshine. It's not much of a Southern
California thing, really, I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
I know there's a lot of places out here you
can get in.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
What do you call it Southern California people's sophomore.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Yeah, it's just hard.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
It's hard to drink a mask or Can I ask
you this question without being George?
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Are you doing drugs?
Speaker 7 (40:01):
When you?
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Are you doing drugs when you do that? I mean,
I just wanted to make sure that I could. I
don't alter my I asked the question without people judging
in anyway.
Speaker 7 (40:12):
I'm like an altered beast. Y'all remember that, that's that
that video game. I sayga, altered Beast. No, it's like me, no.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
No, you don't.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I was usually in front of the Drugs machine or
watching All twenty twos at that point.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Not really a game guy, of course, judge machine like
that Victoria's Secrets magazine.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
So they come to the house, Yeah you know, I
mean altered Beast? Good housekeeping? A stack of those under
your bed?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Why is there like thirty eight pages from the J. C.
Penny catalog missing?
Speaker 4 (40:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
I don't know what happened to this?
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Yeah, damn all sticking together.
Speaker 7 (40:51):
Yeah, video games have come so far?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah they have.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
You guys are true doubt man.
Speaker 7 (41:00):
Where do y'all be on drugs when y'all be thinking
about some of this stuff that you talking about.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
You you go nude and moons.
Speaker 7 (41:07):
I don't want to be see huge judgmental. Oh yeah,
I miss that natural.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Sometimes that's that's like a Brunha Mars song doesn't seem
like a Howlot at the Moon. Yeah about the picture
LeVar naked right the hol at the Moon.
Speaker 7 (41:23):
He must have heard about it, you know, the big
black dude and Glendora that be.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Howling at the moon. That's amazing.
Speaker 7 (41:30):
Yeah, they thought it was the Abominable snow Man, but
it wasn't because there's no snow where I was at.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
You know, well, yeah.
Speaker 7 (41:36):
There might be just not just that brush, but there's
no snow, no snow of any kind. And involved in
my my my moment a lee.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
What what happened to that place at Universal City Walk
called howl at the Moon. Did it just closed down
permanently or what it did close down permanently?
Speaker 5 (41:53):
It's weirdly enough, they had decorations like this of the
outdoor patio of.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
A naked above a.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
Piano dueling piano bar, Yeah, dueling piano bar. They moved
that to my uh my Irish pub down the street
actually for some reason. Yeah, like is that the hell
at the moon decorations.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah, man ip it is used to go there. I
got sawed off a couple of times.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
Is that like a dueling piano bar?
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, you know it.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I mean I know the chain. What is a dueling
piano bar. There's two pianos facing each.
Speaker 7 (42:24):
Other and and two people playing both like playing back
and forth, who's better playing piano.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
It's great, real fun.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
Sam. It's not chiming in here, but it does.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, it's real fun. Oh yeah, oh yeah, those pianos.
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
Huh, well, that's kind of how it's been. I mean,
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I hadn't watched the pregame coverage for ESPN before, then, Wow,
that is not what it used to be. I remember
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and then.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Like all that.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
It was all yeah, it was great. They had the
helmets colliding. Remember the helmets would collide on the screen. Yeah,
all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
That is not what ESPN is doing anymore. It is.
It's tough, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I immediately changed to the Banning cast, and I actually,
I mean obviously as a former player, I enjoyed listening
to them talk about stuff and you know, listening to
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good little.
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they kind of started ripping each other a little bit,
which was nice.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
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Speaker 4 (01:37):
Here on this show. Okay, what's that truth?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
The Green Bay Packers are not a good football team.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Oh are they missing someone? Like? Is there someone who
would make them a lot better? Randall Cobby okay, okay,
Jordy Nelson, Yeah, maybe have been there a while.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, I just I watched that game last night and
I'm like, both these teams are in no man's land,
Like it just feels like green Bay's you know, they're
they're obviously David Baktiari, which by the way, that we
didn't get a chance to talk about that. Another surgery
out for out again, So that's obviously a tough loss
for them. He still hasn't, you know, figured out a
(02:14):
way to come back from that injury. Jones was out,
Aaron Jones was out there, So there are there is
some stuff going on there, but it just feels like
they're further away than maybe, you know, we initially thought.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Okay, so it's just injuries that have played a role
in this, that's all. That's all you're saying.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, I mean I can't imagine, like who who do
you think, Like, oh, Mason Crosby, he's not there. I'm
trying to think was there a big change anywhere else?
I think that's pretty much it. I mean, yeah, Oh
you mean Aaron Rodgers. Oh you mean him not being there? Yeah,
that seems like a significant loss.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Like like, if there's one thing Brett Farv or Aaron
Rodgers didn't do, thanks for thanks, it was probably not
throw three interceptions.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah, I mean he was pretty good at it with
his touchdown interception ratio.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Actually, he's got the best in NFL history, if I'm
not mistaken. So that's one thing that he just he
didn't put his team in too many tough spots by
throwing a bunch of interceptions.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
That was not his style of play. And it's just
he never really did it.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I mean, his last year, he had went twelve in
Green Bay. Before that, you'd have to go back to
twenty ten it's the last time he had double digits.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, never turned the ball over. That was always a
positive with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
I'd have to go through his game blogs.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I can't even tell you how many times he's had
he had he's had three interceptions in a game in
his career.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, we should look that up. Lead to lab Can
we look down how many times Aaron Rodgers threw multiple
interceptions in a game?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Evert three? Yeah? Three?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, So we are efforting, We are efforting that, we will,
we will provide the answers.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
He did it twice. I know Dak Prescott did the
same thing. Yeah, War used to that though.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Huh two thousand and nine he did it savage.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
All right, so there's some some interesting interesting comments postgame
though from the Packers defense. First, we do have the answer.
Let's go live to our seven. It is a turnover
Tuesday edition of the show. Lead to lap three interception
games for Rogers.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Five of those five games with three interceptions.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Really, yes, I'm auditing that right now because I don't
trust me. I've got four so far. Still not a lot.
I mean, how many games has he played? Played a lot?
He played a lot. That's still not a lot in
the grants game of things.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Lear are we positive on?
Speaker 6 (04:49):
That?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Used him outraged?
Speaker 5 (04:50):
If Brady would question he had I'll trust Brady's math here.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I'll well, we never know what Lee was doing last night,
so that always factors.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
He watched the game, but we don't know. If you
see now, you don't know what was up after that liverloo.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
That is that is twenty two he had won. He
had had one game like that in twenty seventeen as well,
And you have to go back to is it two
thousand and eight, two thousand and nine?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Is that what you have?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Ly?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, he's got a let's see, Yeah, that's what I
have too.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yeah, that's what you got.
Speaker 7 (05:26):
Yeah, that's exactly what Brady great mindstick of like you.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Know, that's exactly what I had.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
All Right, So I want you guys listen to something
because this feels like I don't I don't know if
this is passive aggressive or just real honesty in a
moment acknowledging what his team really is, and it was
Jay r Alexander, the defensive back for the Green Bay Packers,
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who last night afterwards talked about the mentality of the defense. No,
what they've got on offense.
Speaker 8 (06:02):
I think at this point it's pretty obvious that the
defense has to not give up, you know. I think
that's the part of being self critical of our defense,
because you know, the offense is pretty young, you know,
and this deal figuring out and mojo, so you know,
the defense we gotta you know, we got to be
the warrants to score and stop them responding.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
So news flash, you ain't shutting people out. Yeah, but
when you're not going to get shutouts ed like, like,
it's nice to say, oh, well, it's a young offense.
You held you held the Raiders the seventeen points. What's
the magic number? Q? What twenty one? The defense hold
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holds a team to twenty. That was Pittsburgh's. That was Pittsburgh,
was it? Yeah? I don't know. I used to hear
when we were on defense, we'd be like, do not
let them break twenty. Don't let them break twenty. If
we if we don't let them break twenty, we're going
to be good. Like that was the league. Now, that
was the only time I ever heard don't let them
break twenty. But that was what we used to always hear,
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or at least that's why you used to always here
was don't let them break twenty. So they held them
to seventeen points. I mean, you're in the pros. I mean,
I don't know to think that a defense could hold
a team to a shutout through four quarters on a
consistent basis. You're talking about the greatest teams in the
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history and the greatest defensive units in the history of
the game. Didn't I mean, how many shutouts would they
have had over the course of an entire season.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Maybe one? Two. I mean, you, if you really think.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
About it, it's just that's not something that you really
you know, that's not really something that's a true expectation
that they should have, is to shut a team out.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's kind of interesting though, that, you know, the guy
on defense to saying, well, it's our job to score
points because the offense is young, Like I don't know
that I've ever heard that before. That he's just saying, well,
you know, the offense is still growing, so we've got
to go ahead and stop teams and then we've got
to score.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I mean, look, he's not wrong. Er Jones's last night,
their own lines banged up. Aaron Jones was hurt, is
out with the hamstring injury. He's probably the one piece
you'd like to rely on, and he's not there. Their
their receivers are you know, second year players. Jordan Love
it's his first year starting. There's just there is a
lot of youth and you know, and or inexperience, depending
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on how you look at it. So I can I
can understand his point, you know, he's he's an interesting
character to listen to talk, you know, but it's they've
still they've got holes in their roster that are now
being exposed. I mean, that was probably one of the
better rushing performances for Las Vegas all year.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
They have not been able to run.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
The football effectively, and of course they do it versus
the Packers because the Packers have been to stop the
run in the past decade.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I mean, seriously, if you.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Go back look at all their their you know, falters
in the postseason, they can't stop the run. They have
for whatever reason, doesn't matter who the defensive cordinator has been,
they have not been able to provide enough, you know,
ability upfront to stop the run to give them a
shot in the postseason. That's just the reality of it.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
It is. It has literally hampered them forever. So that's
what issue.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
The other issues that you know, they've got a young
quarterback that's going to make mistakes from the football over
and they were banking on him being another Hall of
Famer and it's gonna be hard for him to play
at that level his first year starting. Rogers didn't do
it either. We talked about this before, so for Packers fans,
it could be tough. You know, this is the worst
record they've had since the twenty twelve I think over
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a decade. They haven't had a worse start to the
first five games this season, and that's going to come.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
With the territory of, you know, a new quarterback.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Trying to find his way and this offense trying to
find its way with so much youth in an experience.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
And you know, Packers fans shouldn't panic. It looked bleak early.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
On too for Rogers, and then it all turned around
the next year. So it's going to take time. I know,
no one has any patience anymore, but that's the reality
of football and that's how this stuff works.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
And it wouldn't like they were a playoff team last
year with Rogers, so.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
No, but there was a lot of things that amounted
up to that. You know, I think you look at
the roster. Round him away didn't help.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, you know what, they weren't a playoff team last
year because they ran into the biting kneecaps of Dan
Campbell and those fighting Detroit Lions. That's why who are
running rough shot over that division?
Speaker 7 (10:35):
Now if that's saying now, no, you can't even though
I didn't. Jonas did lose that bed Week a team
last year.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Oh bs, I on the four points. That was one
of my big wins last year got me to five
hundred for the year on my Knox locks.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Stop. You were not at five. I was.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I finished five hundred last year on Knox locks.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Y God knocks locks. I've never been around. I got
self promotes for you know, LaVar has his own show.
He doesn't talk about it all the time.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
That's not true. I'm trying to put you another In.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
Fact, I said two pros of a cup of Joe
twice on Saturday? Did you for you?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
You would?
Speaker 7 (11:15):
I don't want to slip up and say two pros
of a coup of one? The tagline punch break?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
All right, all right, great talk, okay, all right, we
got we got to.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
I was like, it's up one game, everybody. I did
it twice. If you didn't, What did TJ say? Was like,
oh man one.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I don't know if it was TJ or the like, man,
you almost two pros.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Why did it sound like that?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Man? Because we cool man. We don't sound like that.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, you know, We're like.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
We're more like.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
This, you know, I got it's like you know odds
like hey man say, hey man, he doing man?
Speaker 4 (12:03):
You dig? Yeah, we're good man. Then on you know, Monday.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
Through Friday, it's like, hey, money, do you mind if
I borrow a little bit of sugar?
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Hey man, let me see this LeVar?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
What kind of game if we're in the locker room,
would you mean Jonas play versus what you backgammon?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Would we wouldn't be throwing?
Speaker 7 (12:33):
We would be no no, you would have bandan on
playing in the background while while we bull jab. And
now that I didn't got to know q Q got
some gangster anymore? Don't let all that smooth look for
that pretty ass smile full you que guys, Doug, you
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got what thug passion?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Pause? And you know what would would you be playing
with the I was playing talk I told you I
played Talk. Yeah, that was my. That was my. That
was a popular game.
Speaker 8 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
That's basically like Spades. Right, it's like Rummy five hundred.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
What they say the institutional name or or the the
correct name is Rummy five hundred, which is you know, white.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
The white version. It's like, all right, Johnson, let's go
play this. Well, come on, what you guys today? You know,
I got some cards, I got a deck. What do
you want to do? I mean, the real white versions,
ker if they walked out here, you want to play
some uker? See I ain't even never heard that. You
(13:40):
learning the hard up on a new very similar to Spades,
white people.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, damn man, it is Frost.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
You trying to say how it should sound on Saturdays. Uh,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Two Pros, Cup of Joe.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
That's got to be racist.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, I'm not trying to get canceled.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
So sorry, that's how. That's how we're gonna go with it.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Apologize. I just want to want you to know that.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
So be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros
and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington,
and Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
So we're at week five is just wrapped up in
the NFL, and you know, we we're bye week season,
so we got teams that are having bye weeks. One
of the teams that was on a bye this past
week was the Cleveland Browns. They watched the AFC North
just do what the AFC North does, which is never
makes sense, and the Baltimore Ravens losing to Pittsburgh. And
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we talked all about all that yesterday, and one of
the stories that we kind of threw out there was,
you know, Deshaun Watson and this shoulder injury and this
issue that he had, Like, you know, they got the
Niners coming up after what we saw the Niners do
to Dallas on primetime and what they've done to everybody, Like,
you know, I wonder if Deshaun Watson would just not
play in this game either because he was medically cleared
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to play the previous week against Baltimore and often not
to that according to his head coach Kevin Stefanski. And
so you know, Stefanski was asked about it yesterday and
Stefanski just said, hey, listen, he's he's day to day,
he's working to get better, and when asked whether or
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not he's optimistic about it, Stefanski just declined to comment
and just say, yeah, you know, we're just working through this,
trying to get better every single day. So I'm a
little confused because if the shoulder was healthy enough that
he was medically cleared but he decided not to play,
I would assume the bye week would do his body
good and he would be ready to go this next week.
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The fact that this is even still a question or
even up in the air. We were joking yesterday, but
it seems like there's a legitimate possibility he might miss
this week as well too.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Who do they play this week?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
That's the forty nine ers?
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Gosh, oh we don't they come in our house? Oh no,
you know that a use.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
So either Stefanski gave out bad info last week and
said he was medically cleared when he wasn't, or Deshaun
Watson just doesn't want to play.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
Or he got medically unclear during the clearity, like somewhere
in between the clear and unclear is something could have happened.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Oh so he got a clear and then he got
a second opinion.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Is this is clear like at the airports? Is that
where you're talking? He could have involved clear at like
he went through Clear. There's a miss, there's a miscommunication.
Stevansky was like, you know that's shots you have Clear,
and he's like, yeah, I go go through Clear all
the time.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
They take anything off anything, you know. Yeah, it's actually
a nice service. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
What's the difference between clear and TSA pre check?
Speaker 4 (16:48):
TSA pre check?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Uh, the only difference is you just have to get
your ID checked when you go through with Clear. They
do it beforehand. So he's kind of walked by the
TSA department.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
That's sweet.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Yeah, The problem is that.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
It doesn't necessarily mean you don't have to take stuff
off though you have to have TSA pre and Clear
in order for that to be the case.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
I got you.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well, listen, Deshaun Watson maybe doesn't have either. So because
I don't, I just want to know what happened in
the course of what did happen he was medically cleared
and then he decided he just didn't want to play.
What happened in the hour before kickoff against Baltimore that
Deshaun Watson decided, Yeah, I can't give it a go,
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And I wonder how the hell is this landing in
Cleveland with not only people in the locker room, but
also fans there who are going, dude, are you serious?
Like this is where?
Speaker 4 (17:45):
No, I think it is? What is it? What I
think it is? I think I think.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
I think Deshaun Watson is just I mean, you know,
I have laughters, all right, Yeah? No, so you know
I think that really in the scenario that he finds
himself in, he's got to make sure that he's one
hundred percent healthy because y'all don't allow for him to
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do the rehab processes that he has done in the
past that has allowed him to play at the highest
of levels that he's played at. So if he's not
going to be clear to be able to prepare and
recover and stay supple the way that he has successfully
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done it, y'all can't possibly expect him to be the
same type of player that he once was.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Great, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Well, I want to know is why Jonas, Like, I
wonder what Cleveland? Just tell us what you want to say,
Johnnys instead of throwing out the question, well.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I'm just I'm not a Cleveland Brown fan. So I
don't I wonder how this lands then, because I think
there are some Cleveland Brown fans who are just going
to be loyal no matter of what.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
The brown it's plural.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Brown, like basically, you got to be of a certain
background to be able.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
To, let me tell you something, if your if your
franchise leaves and goes and wins two Super Bowls elsewhere,
then you get to be called whatever I call you.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
That's what that did happen, Bang bang bang bang.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Nobody's safe, no one from the knocks. I just this
would piss me off if I if I was a
member of the roster and I'm looking around, going, dude,
you sat out against Baltimore when we needed you. Rookie
got got thrown under the bus and we got waxed
at home, and then we got an opportunity to play
the Niners and really see where we're at as an organization.
(19:44):
And still this is a question mark. If he doesn't play.
Somebody's lying.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Can I be I can I be honest with you?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
From my interpretation from Browns fans, look, maybe I'm wrong,
Like maybe they can hit us up on social media and.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Tell me otherwise.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
From the Browns fans I've talk to, they're in on
to Shawn because they feel like it gives them a
chance to get the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
And win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
So despite whatever happened before he got there, despite this
sort of thing, they're all in. They really like they're like, yeah,
but you know, he's really good when he's healthy, so
like there's always kind of that like excuses, Yeah, well,
you know, that was the guy when he was in Houston.
He doesn't do all that massage stuff anymore. Like there's
always an excuse. So my feeling has been the fan
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base is bought in because they understand that they have
to be bought in because this is what the future
looks like. This Browns team is led by to Shawn Watson.
They made a huge financial commitment to him, and whether
they hit it this year or not, it doesn't matter.
They're not moving on from him. So maybe it's just
more he's playing the long game. He feels like he's protected.
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He could take his time to come back and be
one hundred percent. And mind you, he hasn't looked great
this year, So if that's the case, maybe he feels
like he doesn't want to go back out there, and
look how he did finishing the season last year, which
wasn't great.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
He had great in three years.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Well yeah, And I think that's the problem is as
far as the Browns fans perspective, they don't care.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
They just remember the year that he played really great
and people called him a top five quarterback. That's all
they that's all they want to talk about.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Hey, but when he's healthy, he's the top Okay, well
he's not healthy, So that's that's where they're at. That's
at least the Browns fans that I've talked to about it,
because there is no other option. We already sold dtr
There's a tough spot duty for him as a rookie.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
But that was that was.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
A glimpse as far as what it could look like.
So they've made their bed. Now they're going to lay
in it. And this is you know, this is what
happens when you give a guy two hundred and thirty
million dollars fully guaranteed, is he can make these sort
of decisions.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
And if you're Kevin Stefanski, what do you say to him?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
He's Deshaun Watson has better job security in Cleveland than
Kevin Stefanski. So what what can can in Stefanski say
to Deshaun Watson that motivates enter makes them want to play?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
M hmm, yeah, what can you say?
Speaker 7 (22:11):
I mean, what a prohmesy must be the money, Like,
I don't, I don't know what the motivation would be
would be to probably try to salvage your career and
salvage your your reputation as a player.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Okay, but his career is not going to end after
this year? True?
Speaker 7 (22:30):
Well, well here here's all I'm saying is I'm just
trying to make sense of where we're at with it
right now. What what would be the motivation as as
it would stand. I mean that that would kind of
have to only be the only thing it is right.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
That matters to them.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Let me let me throw this at you. Has Baker
Mayfield had a better career, had a better year than
Deshaun Watson?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Yes, okay, so far?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Has joh Has Josh Dobbs had a better year than
Deshaun Watson?
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Yes, so far?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
And they traded him because they wanted to go with
Dtrs the backup quarterback there so much so that the
GM I think it was. The GM was asked last
week if they had any reservations about trading away Josh
Dobbs two weeks before the season. So this is a
guy who's getting paid two hundred and thirty million dollars guaranteed,
and a backup who they traded away to Arizona's having
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a better year than him, and the guy they got
rid of so they could get him for two hundred
and thirty million guaranteed is having a better year than him,
and Browns fans are just gonna wear it when he
decides he doesn't want to play against Baltimore and maybe
doesn't want to play against San Francisco. That's just there's
committed and then there's that I don't know, man, And
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to Brady's point, they don't really have any other options.
So you deal with what you get to deal with.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Gart I mean, look, Cleveland may draft someone this offseason,
but again, they draw you.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
They just drafted dtr.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Said, there's no one putting pressure on DeShawn Watson when
you have a contract like that, and I'll be honest,
like I've heard from some fun office perspectives, it's one
of the reasons why until you have a guy that's
really solidified himself as as a dude, or as the
young kids say, as him, i'm him. Until you have
a quarterback who has done that at your spot, who's
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i'm him, I'm him, then you can go ahead and
give them that huge contract. Because once you give the
huge contract, there's really not much you can say.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
You you hope that that contract is a partnership as
you work together.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
But the difference is Cleveland and the Haslam family who
obviously paid for Deshaun Watson to come there, like that
was the incentive to go to Cleveland. Now, granted, I've
heard like it was Atlanta people talked about. I've heard
some from from from some other folks that was gonna.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Be the Saints. Whatever the case is on.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
New Orleans was in the mix too.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Huh Yeah, yeah, I was told.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I told myself, whatever the case is, it doesn't matter
in the end, because they offer the best contract. He
took it. It's it's life changing, its generational wealth. We
get that. But that's what they did to get him there.
But he doesn't have any earned equity with them. He's
still trying to earn that, but I don't think that
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he cares to right now. The contract is the contract
he's playing the long game. He's like, Yeah, if I'm
not one hundred percent, I'll just you know, sit out.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
So I am.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I mean he should do the right thing and give
Phil Dawson his jersey back. Personal, I mean, we're gonna
be fair.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
But that's the that's the four that I know. Yeah,
clutch love Phil big time.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
Oh there's a lot of people that know this, this
four clutch four whole big, big time. He was clutching
big time when it really mattered, you know, the negotiations.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Hey, by the way, just a little bit of a
there's a I mean real big when he needs I
don't know if this is conser or breaking news? Is
this breaking news here?
Speaker 7 (26:02):
On?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
All right?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Do we want to go with with with Eddie Garca Lee?
Do we want to go with Eddie on this? We'll
just throw it. I mean, I don't know if we
need official breaking news on it. It's not like it's
life altering.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Well you might already kind of made it a big deal.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I know I did. Yeah, can we clean this up
of the podcast on breaking news? Yeah, it's not that
big of a deal. All right, So we do have
some sort of breaking news, but it's fun to play
the imaging. Anyways, here early in the morning, let's turn
it over to Eddie Garcia for.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
The breaking news from Fox Sports.
Speaker 9 (26:35):
Tom Pelissar reporting the Minnesota Vikings planned a place wide
receiver Justin Jefferson on injured reserve because of his hamstream
tree suffered in the lost to Kansas City. Exact timelined
to be determined how he responds to treatment, So out
at least four games Justin Jeffers.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
Wow, So well that's breaking news for certain. I don't
know why you would have thought that wasn't breaking news.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Well, it's not like it's a season ender.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Well it's not, but it means there are seasons for sure.
Look at their next four games.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
A second, is this toe tag Tuesdays? Are we just
we're just burying people?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Well, hold on, they're one in four right now after
the lost of kid series last week. The only thing
they have going for him is the fact that they
haven't played a divisional game.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
But yet, when does that start? This week?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
This week they're at Chicago, and then two weeks after
that they're got Green Bay and I mean they've got
two divisional games, which I mean again, it just seems unlikely.
Without their best player. They're gonna be able to survive this.
They've got San Francisco after Chicago, which is on what
Monday night football. I mean, I just they're they're not
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gonna be able to survive this. And so yeah, it's
not the end of the season for him, but four
games is the minimum and we don't know how much
longer it could be.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
So yeah, they said they were going to slow play it,
but I don't know, they go thought.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I mean, four out of their next six are on
the road. It's not like the most difficult because they've
got for in there Atlanta, obviously Chicago this week Jonas's
Chicago Bears. But for the six of those games are
on the road in that span.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
It's over Lebar. They go, they go, that's a rep
that'll do it.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Well.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Listen. Like I said, the Minnesota Twins are in a
one to one battle with Houston and their their divisional
series and the ALE playoffs. So there is some hope there.
You know, maybe the Tea Wolves all rally, you know,
the Minnesota Wilder around, like, there's options there in Minnesota.
They got a lock on it.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I think bigger questions is what does that mean? For
Kirk Cousins, what does that mean for I mean, he's
heading into free agency. There's so many things up in
the air. And then what do you do with the roster?
Do you look at it and say we're going to rebuild.
I mean, they've got some veteran pieces on that team
that have played well this year despite the fact that
win loss record doesn't look good.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, and this is the year if you want to
be in the draft for a quarterback to peer with
Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
This it's a good year. It's a good year. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, so it could be that year could be.
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Speaker 2 (29:46):
So if you are just tuning in, Eddie Garcia mentioned
this in his update Justin Jefferson. It was announced about
an hour or so ago he is being put on
IR with the hamstring issue that he suffered and popped
up in Sunday's game against Chiefs, So he will.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
Be out season, is going on IR for the next
four weeks. Yeah, that's over.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
They're done. They're They're just they're done. And you know,
it felt like bradyk At look at it this way.
You were optimistic a week ago with them.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah, I was because I mean again, they still haven't
played any divisional games. They do this week for Chicago,
so we'll see how they fare in that regard. The
other thing is, I think, you know, as far as
the targets catches production all that, if they're starting to
catch up, I mean, Hockinson and Addison combined equate to
about what they're losing in Justin Jefferson, but at one
(30:38):
point he was leading the league and receiving I mean,
this is a huge loss for a team that when
you look at their entire offensive game plan. They it
takes him about two series to figure out what the
defense is doing because they're trying to figure out what
the defense is doing to take away Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
I mean, if you.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Watch the Monday night broadcast, especially the Manning cast, they
talked a lot about, say Adams and how the defenses
are they going to match up Jerreal Alexander and leave
one on one or they're going to double them, And
that's really the game within the game is understanding how
defenses are trying to play you and what they're trying
to take away because you have certain players who are
extraordinary talents. Adams is that in Las Vegas, obviously, Jefferson
(31:19):
is that in Minnesota. And so you take away that
piece and you don't really have as big of a
difference maker out there, and so that that's gonna be
the trouble I think for Minnesota moving forward is teams
don't have to be quite as concerned about the big
playability of Justin Jefferson moving forward, at least for the
next four games or until he comes back.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
By the way, how about the run of bad luck
for Elijah Viraa Tucker in New York Jets.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Or Kirk feel for him, dude, Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I mean so Elijah Viraa Tucker last year gets the
tricep injury that ends his season in Denver against the Broncos.
That was the same Gay Breeese Hall of Separate injury,
and also they lost him in that game, and that
was sort of we've talked about this before, sort of
the line of where their season took a turn, like
that was that point with those injuries that they started
(32:09):
to catch up. And then on Sunday's game, he tears
his achilles. He actually played a play after he tore it,
walked off crazy, It's unbelievable, walked off under his own power.
But now they find out torn achilles, his season's over.
So two straight years suffers a season ending injury on
the same field, in the same place, and it's not
(32:30):
like they're going there often, it's not a divisional rival,
but back to back years in Denver and his season's done.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
That's what he's trying to say.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Just sucks.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Feel bad that I thought you're making a comment about
the field itself.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
No, it is grass, so yeah, I can't really blame it.
Speaker 7 (32:47):
On that, but and that is an offensive Lineman. You know,
so that's you can't you can't afford to lose a
lot of them, you know, especially if they're not.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Right, especially because they've been running the football well, I mean,
if you're got to put everything on Zach wilsons shoulder,
I'm not sure that's the game plan you won. Even
though he did, he's looked better in the past couple
of weeks.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, he's their best alignment, right Elijah Vera Tucker, Yeah,
I think that's fair. They've moved him around a little bit.
And I know they've got Makai becked in. Beckton got
banged up in that game, didn't too, didn't he?
Speaker 4 (33:24):
I think been kind of banged up this year.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:28):
Can I revisit Kirk Cousins? I mean, I know we
want to get through Kirk. Can we Kirk? You know,
Kirk Cousins, not Kurt Kirk Kirk Kirk. I did call
him Kirk.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Because I remember when you head coaches called him that before,
LaVar when you were doing radio in Washington. I remember
you saying that, you know, r G three was going
to be the better quarterback than Kirk Cousins. Like you
went on the air with that and you were just
disgusted that the Washington Commandos drafted.
Speaker 7 (33:57):
That would be inaccurate. But what I would have probably
he said back then, was talk about buy into your
your your top draft pick. When you use another another
draft pick on on a quarterback within a round, that
maybe you could find it's still at the quarterback's position
in the same draft I did. I was responsible for
(34:19):
saying that, and I did end up being correct that
Kirk Cousins would end up being the last minute standing
But Kirk Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Was it Jake Cruden who called him? He called him
Kurt k So what does this mean for Kirk Cousins?
Like Cherman Whedon? Yeah, what doesn't mean for Cousins?
Speaker 7 (34:41):
What is this stretch like Kenny said, obviously he could
solidify or could he? Is it solidifiable to play well
in this stretch where Jefferson is out? But what if
he doesn't get it done? What if it is bad
slatting moving forward? For for Cousins.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
He's not back in then next year?
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Is that? Do you think it goes that far?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I mean he is a free agent, and I think
the tough thing with with Kirk Cousins is he's not
going to take a discount, you know, like we've known
him to. I mean, he's gonna get paid what he
believes his market value is.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Somebody else will pay him.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Uh yeah, I think there's always teams out there who
see value on that. The problem is is it he's
getting up there in age, right, He's what thirty five
years old now, And I think most agents try to
sell teams on the fact that, Hey, my guys like
Tom Brady, he's gonna play till he's forty five because
they want to get another big butte at the Apple.
But the truth of the matter is most guys don't
(35:39):
play till they're forty five, and most don't play as
high of a level as Tom Brady did.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
So that's probably he has.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Tom yet well no, no one has no but they
but they try to convince them that they've got the
longevity that Tom's or.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
These agents they'll sell you anything. They will sell water
to a whale. They would wolf tickets, is what Jonas
tells me.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah, I love those wolf tickets big time. How I'm
talking to the season, Hey, what are you going to
start piping in some Halloween music? Sam? When's that gonna happen.
Speaker 7 (36:19):
Yeah, come or start playing holiday music. You know that
love so much? That'll thing it is clean. You know
I do that every full moon. I did tell you that, right,
I'll be out on all fours out on the mountain.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
That's not true. It really, it really is true. You
go outside on all fours and I start howling.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
Yeah, if I see if it is a full moon.
If I feel a full moon, it's like it calls me.
And then I go outside and I drop on all
fours and I run over to the to.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
The Are you wearing clothes at least?
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Can sometimes? Sometimes not? Damn? Can I ask this without
natural like getting judged? Are you in drugs when you
do that? No, okay, it's a fair question.
Speaker 7 (37:08):
I'm a mammal, king of the mammals, So sometimes you
just got to go on all fours and and like
go towards the moon.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
And howling the pill.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I remember when Todd Morinovitch did that. He was in
somebody's fountain and he was just on drugs. So that's
why it's a first question.
Speaker 7 (37:28):
I mean, I don't pass out after I'm sitting there like, oh,
like I'm ready, I'm like I'm ready to go over
the wall and start hunting deer and stuff like that
and like move through through the give me.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
The pasted out the Oh, that's amazing. I like it.
Speaker 9 (37:52):
I like it.
Speaker 7 (37:52):
My howling at the moon, so this is a true story.
I would go sit under the moon with my granddad
when I was of age in college and we would
drink I think I told you all this story. We
would drink a jar of moonshine and we would do
it before every season. One time we just drink, like
(38:14):
we would sit back there and we'd be howling at
the moon while we was drinking moonshine together and I
never got sick and I never got hurt. And the
one the first year I didn't do it with him
after we had started doing that. And I'm not super
you know, super superstitious or anything like that, but the
first year we didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
I got hurt. I started getting hurt.
Speaker 7 (38:34):
I got hurt pretty much every season after that and
was done.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
True story. Now I was like on some Richie Vilans type.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Stuff, are you still drinking moonshine or no?
Speaker 7 (38:45):
No, I haven't drank moonshine since I was in Maryland,
So that's probably been over like a decade that I've had.
But I used to get Like my man Corey Raymer,
who was an offensive lineman for us, he used to
make it.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
And he made this one.
Speaker 7 (39:01):
He made apple pie, which was phenomenal, and he made uh,
strawberries and cream, and that one was phenomenal to like,
not strawberries and cream, but but strawberry shortcake, strawberry shortcake.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
If you need more moonshine, just go check Lee's glove box.
It should be a couple of jars in there or something.
Speaker 7 (39:23):
The cheap the cheap ones though, because you know that's
what he likes, by his own admission, by the way,
not that's not me putting him out.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I you had moonshine before? Yeah, that moonshine? Sure?
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Yeah? Ask Lee, like, do you have moonshine somewhere in
your house or with you?
Speaker 5 (39:38):
No, it's in a listerene body I do. I stay
away from the moonshine. I've tried it, but I stay
away from the moonshine. It's not much of a Southern
California thing, really, I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
I know there's a lot of places out here you
can get in.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
What do you call it Southern California people's sophomore.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Yeah, it's just hard.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
It's hard to drink a mask or Can I ask
you this question without being George?
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Are you doing drugs?
Speaker 7 (40:01):
When you?
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Are you doing drugs when you do that? I mean,
I just wanted to make sure that I could. I
don't alter my I asked the question without people judging
in anyway.
Speaker 7 (40:12):
I'm like an altered beast. Y'all remember that, that's that
that video game. I sayga, altered Beast. No, it's like me, no.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
No, you don't.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I was usually in front of the Drugs machine or
watching All twenty twos at that point.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Not really a game guy, of course, judge machine like
that Victoria's Secrets magazine.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
So they come to the house, Yeah you know, I
mean altered Beast? Good housekeeping? A stack of those under
your bed?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Why is there like thirty eight pages from the J. C.
Penny catalog missing?
Speaker 4 (40:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
I don't know what happened to this?
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Yeah, damn all sticking together.
Speaker 7 (40:51):
Yeah, video games have come so far?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah they have.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
You guys are true doubt man.
Speaker 7 (41:00):
Where do y'all be on drugs when y'all be thinking
about some of this stuff that you talking about.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
You you go nude and moons.
Speaker 7 (41:07):
I don't want to be see huge judgmental. Oh yeah,
I miss that natural.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Sometimes that's that's like a Brunha Mars song doesn't seem
like a Howlot at the Moon. Yeah about the picture
LeVar naked right the hol at the Moon.
Speaker 7 (41:23):
He must have heard about it, you know, the big
black dude and Glendora that be.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Howling at the moon. That's amazing.
Speaker 7 (41:30):
Yeah, they thought it was the Abominable snow Man, but
it wasn't because there's no snow where I was at.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
You know, well, yeah.
Speaker 7 (41:36):
There might be just not just that brush, but there's
no snow, no snow of any kind. And involved in
my my my moment a lee.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
What what happened to that place at Universal City Walk
called howl at the Moon. Did it just closed down
permanently or what it did close down permanently?
Speaker 5 (41:53):
It's weirdly enough, they had decorations like this of the
outdoor patio of.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
A naked above a.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
Piano dueling piano bar, Yeah, dueling piano bar. They moved
that to my uh my Irish pub down the street
actually for some reason. Yeah, like is that the hell
at the moon decorations.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah, man ip it is used to go there. I
got sawed off a couple of times.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
Is that like a dueling piano bar?
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, you know it.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I mean I know the chain. What is a dueling
piano bar. There's two pianos facing each.
Speaker 7 (42:24):
Other and and two people playing both like playing back
and forth, who's better playing piano.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
It's great, real fun.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
Sam. It's not chiming in here, but it does.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, it's real fun. Oh yeah, oh yeah, those pianos.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
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