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October 31, 2023 44 mins

It’s Halloween on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, and the Lions run all over the Raiders on Monday Night Football. Jim Harbaugh breaks his silence (kinda) amid the Michigan sign-stealing scandal. Iowa Sam gets Brian Ferentz fired. Plus, some spooky-scary NFL questions on Halloween.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with LaVar arrings Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on
Box Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
So, how you guys doing this? I'm filling Yeah, Iowa.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Sam's the only one dressed up on the show. And
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
The clown killing chef, chef killing clown.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
I'm just can you hear me through them?

Speaker 5 (00:30):
Can you hear me thro this?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yes, we can hear you.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
I'm Gustavo Frings chef.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I don't know. Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Imanos apron a chef's hat on this goulish mask? What
is what is leisos? That's the business in breaking bed?
You know the front?

Speaker 6 (00:50):
Oh yeah, oh you're okay?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Can why do you guys take a picture of Lee
and us posted on our Twitter? Please, you know, let
the people see how Sam is feeling this this. Yeah,
we get one later.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
I got I got a picture with me and Ben,
so we'll get a picture.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Okay, Lormanos, I forgot about that.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah, so I don't know. I had this apron and
so here we go, Jeff's hat and uh, whatever the hell?

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
If I saw him while I was coming into the
studio this morning. Chances are I would either run or
I would scream.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
See, if you scare anyone.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
I didn't dread. I didn't change into my costume until
I got into the confines of Fox Sports Trade Ani.
I didn't want to alarm the security guard.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Everybody came and got you. Yeah, they might have been like,
what's what's this all about? So I know I scared
a cleaning crew every morning. Every morning I come in,
I scared Hell.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
And Jonas dressed up like one of the villains from Superman.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
So there's that black man. Yeah. Well, by the time
Jonahs gets here, they're they're kind of out of the way,
so they don't get a chance to think that Jonahs
is going to like suck their blood or anything. But
I know the base resonating from my car inside of
a parking deck at at two two thirty two twenty
five am is a tabit concerning too.

Speaker 5 (02:20):
What does that sound like?

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
And what are you doing in there?

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Just I'm just chilling man, you know how I'd just
be chilling man. I like I like car heat, I
like car comfort, for some reason. So I just be
chilling in the in the riot. Man, can I ask
you this?

Speaker 5 (02:38):
Do you miss like you're gonna know you probably are
gonna say no to this.

Speaker 7 (02:42):
But there is something about like and obviously for the
most of us, besides probably what Jonas and Eddi we
you know, you grow up somewhere where you get the
change of seasons. You get it when it's cooled outside,
you come in, you have like a nice hot shower,
you have like the nice like heat from the car.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
There is something to that.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Oh man, I used to rush the feeling. And this
was more as a youth, I think memory wise, when
you had super cold practices and your parents had already
heated up the car. That that definitely was when you

(03:19):
could take your cleats off, take your pats off, and
your car. Yeah, that was that's pretty fly. Yeah, hot
showers that was the deal too. Like I remember post
post games especially, yeah, especially in college post post games.
You know in the Big Ten they were really cold, yep,

(03:41):
super cold, and and so you know what was funny,
certain places like Iowa they did this to you. They
give you lukewarm showers. They were like certain away there
was certain away places like super super super cold. I'll
never forget.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Give you lukewarm offenses too, not amore, not anymore actually season, by.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
The way, that's that's why Sam came into work. I
don't do that, but that's why I came into work.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
You know. It's it's like we played Chicago the last
game of the season. I remember one year, the Bear
and it was for reason, like like the hawk was
just flowing through your bones, like you understand what the
hawk means when you're playing. Yeah, you're out there and
that type of weather that time of year, and they

(04:31):
had literally barely lukewarm showers. I was like, that's just
so it doesn't make sense, Like it's very inconsiderate.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
You swear by cold showers, don't you. That's all I
do is take cold You think that they're a therapeutic.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Well, because he's a vampire.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
No, it's because he doesn't do the court.

Speaker 7 (04:46):
He wants to do the cold plunge thing, but he
thinks like the cold showers closest thing to it.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
It's really no, I just no, I prefer cold showers.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
I really do. Like you don't take you don't ever
take hot showers like warm showers.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
One a year.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
If one a year, if I'm if I'm like, if
I get a fever or something like that and I
really just want to sweat it all out, then I'll
do one a year.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Yeah, and that's it.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
They do cold shower as cold as possible.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
You are different, dude. Do you have do you have like,
you know, like bags of blood in your in your
freezer and stuff like that in the glove box of
my truck emergency glovebox blood.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, of course, we talk about it. That's an actual
foot dangling from the back. I don't have truck notts.
I've got limbs, so we be joking. But you really
do sleep in a coffin. That's that's really true, hanging
from a stealing So this really is your holiday and
your family's holiday. That's what we do.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, tell this works.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
That's my truck door opening? Lost boys? Huh yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:47):
You Is your kid flying yet? Is your kids showing
this fangs yet? How you broke a man yet? Hey,
beware trick or treat or stuff. I don't know Knox House,
pass that one up. Wait, no, we'll not look it's
a human hand. Wait wait, nobody parts for candy? Why

(06:12):
you got a finger.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Well, we transitioned smoothly over to the Detroit Lions getting
back on track on Monday night football.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
How about those or knee caps.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Ready to get further off track?

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, it is true, but the Detroit Lions find a
little something in jamieir Gibbs, who was awesome last night.
And and it seemed like as well as the Raiders
defense was playing early on and keeping him in that game,
they just kept wearing him down. And Jamire Gibbs had
at just a phenomenal performance, a breakout performance in his

(06:49):
young career as a rookie. And the Detroit Lions are
back on track in prime time.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Nice little bounce back after that loss to Baltimore when
they were.

Speaker 7 (06:57):
Kind of right kind of makes you forget about it
for a half. It is odd though, like, and I know,
David Montgomery's been so good, so obviously there really wasn't
you know, as much of a desire need now with
montgomeryal Gibbs has been kind of thrust it into the
main role. But with where they took him in the
first round, I would have thought this was going to
be the case the entire season. But that being said,

(07:20):
you see his capability. You see, you know why they
drafted him where they drafted him.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
He can be that back. I just I kind of
go like, why why wasn't this the whole year?

Speaker 7 (07:30):
You know, like he seems like he can be such
a mismatch even in the passing game. Why he would
be more involved? I know he towed the rockets on
last night, but I don't know. It's just kind of
odd that it's taken this long. You're almost halfway through
the season and you're finally, you know, getting that first
round pick, the U S side of them that I thought

(07:51):
they were going to.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
So when you look at that young man's acceleration, it
is on the level of a Tarik Hill. It's just
when you in this league. To be able to make
it outside on a stretch play, an outside whatever you

(08:12):
want to call it, outside his own plays, sweet play.
Whatever it is to be fast enough to access the
outside of a defense with your speed in twenty twenty
three is phenomenal. You have got to be of a
tremendous phenomenal speed and acceleration because it's just not built

(08:36):
for unless you're doing a jet SUITEP where the kid
is running full speed by the time he gets the ball,
you're talking about a play that's you're handing the ball
off that guy from a standstill takes actually takes a
step away from where he's gonna ultimately go, or step
downhill before he goes and is able to outrun the

(08:58):
defense to the outside. You are fast. You are fast,
and it was it was I thought it was so
fun watching him run because you know, we're talking about
all of this, this this running back talk hitting into
the season and the devaluing of the position. But you know,
there are a few running backs this year that are

(09:18):
really really exciting to watch. Man Etn has been exciting
to watch. He had a pretty cool game this past weekend.
You know, you're watching what what Bryce Hall is doing
in New York. You see what the kid out of
Atlanta is doing, the rookie there while am i Sean Robinson.
Yeah that I mean, there's just it's interesting with Saquan

(09:40):
just carried the ball thirty eight times he went he
had like one hundred and thirty some yards. It's really still.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
Turned up the back.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying, you know,
how much can you how much can you look at
the back and say, you know, there's just no place.
I mean, you gotta throw McCaffrey's name in there, right,
he's there. You go, Yeah, there you go. Y'all want
to know, y'all want to know what it is this year.
I want to know how y'all feel about what's going

(10:09):
on in an NFL this year.

Speaker 6 (10:11):
Who oh yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
When it was about everybody else and you didn't want
to pay and you.

Speaker 6 (10:26):
Said, hold out your way because.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
We're not gonna give you pay. We're gonna pay qbs,
maybe even ride receivers, but we're not gonna pay you
because you run the ball.

Speaker 6 (10:41):
But it's a return of the back.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
Oh oh, they said they was gonna pay you.

Speaker 6 (10:46):
You're lied to me.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
I did, but I try how high I needed you
to pay me, but you didn't pay me. But you
give me the ball.

Speaker 6 (10:56):
Return of the back.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Here it is right here.

Speaker 6 (11:02):
Turn up, yeah, turn up the back. Turn up the
back of the back.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Then about three four years later they're like, yeah, you
could be out of the league.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Nobody would notice.

Speaker 7 (11:24):
Can I can I give some porty words though? To
the Las Vegas Raiders, Oh my gosh, bro, their defense
is so much better than it used to be like
I always felt like that was kind of their achilles
heel when John Gruden was there. And now their defenses,
I mean, dude, those guys play hard.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
They rally the football. Had a nice pick six Marcus
Peters did. I just it's tough, man like. And I
would have thought that.

Speaker 7 (11:50):
With Josh mc daniels just from my time with them,
Like he's a he's a good offensive mine man, and
they just cannot score a strug well so badly on offense,
and their defense is playing hard man like they're doing.
I mean, eventually you break. But this this feels like

(12:12):
the season's.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
Going nowhere fast.

Speaker 7 (12:14):
And it's tough to watch because you watch the defense's like, man,
they're hanging in there like they really are, and so eventually,
like it's just it's it's overwhelming, you know, you get
worn down at it throughout the course of a game.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
So it's tough to watch for the Raiders.

Speaker 7 (12:30):
And I understand their fans and probably you know, continuously
fire McDaniels or whatever else, but I get it, like
his calling cards offense and their offense can't do much.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Only team in the NFL not to score twenty plus
points in a game this season.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Struggling.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
This is amazing to watch, and you're seeing the defense
like if not for Marcus Peters last night, I mean
they can't. Like that game should have been an absolute wipeout,
and they just kept holding and kept holding, and then
finally it's like come on, man, and you're watching this
game and you're like, how is how is this still
a two possession game? Like how are they still within
two score procession?

Speaker 7 (13:10):
Dude, it was like it was a one score game
and soil basically the end of the third to the
Gibbs run. I mean like like it was a close
game that eventually the defense can't hold up anymore. The
offense is providing the inspiration. Like you talk about complimentary football.
That's where like you have to compliment one another, Like
the offense makes a play, gets a touchdown, defense gets
a stop, where defense gets a pick six. Next time

(13:32):
the offense goes out, they go on a long drive
kind of wear down the opponent. You just didn't see
any of that.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
Man. It's so hard to watch, it really is.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
It was rough last night for the Raiders, but a
good one for the Detroit Lions in primetime to get
back on Track.

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Speaker 3 (14:01):
By the way, what time do you guys start trick
or treating? Because Daylight Savings hasn't.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Ended yet and it feels like more of a h
after dark kind of ritual. We do trunk trunk retreat.
What's that like? You know, parents park in a like
safe environment like a high school parking lot and put
candy in their their trunks, and you trick or treat
from trunk to trunk, trunk or treat. Huh, then you

(14:31):
go on home like it's just kind of safe. I
just I don't know. I just don't believe in it.
I just don't believe in people anymore, man. I just
I don't know that old school way of going out
and jacking people for their candy bags and going up
to all them houses and stuff like that. It's just
like we live in a dangerous day and age.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
Man.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
You know, one mistake, you know, so it just takes
one mistake. So I don't know, man, I just you know,
we might go to uh we might I go to
is it Disney or something? To that is a universe?
How they have the Halloween Horn Nights. Yeah, they've already
done that. There's there's another one for like kids that

(15:12):
that my daughter wants to go to. Then we might
go to that. They might go to that. I'm not
really into it. Yeah, what about you? I got nothing?
What am I going to do? What you're gonna do?
You lives in one of them neighborhoods though, like it's
you know, they they probably leave like you know, like
car keys and stuff like that outside in a basket

(15:34):
like very fancy. They bring out olderbs like, uh, caviar
on pizza. Caviar last year, a daughter's got caviar not mistaken?
Probably so is that the case Brady accurate? Is that
an accurate statement or not? No participation points there testing
All right, well listen, uh you know, congratulations to anybody

(15:55):
out there who gets out and gets some cavear basket.
Uh that's you know. I just tried caviare on pizza
for the first time when I went to see when
I met my best friend, my new best friend, Wolfgang Puck,
you know, the Wolfgang Puck. You know, I had a
sam and pizza with with caviar. It was really good. Yeah,
that was really good. Take your word for it, all right.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
So Jim Harbaugh, let's talk about him.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Let's let's talk about him.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
So he's got this little investigation going on because you know,
they had somebody on staff who was, you know, taking
videos of opposing sidelines. Now, it's amazing how fast the
NCAA investigation process works when they really want to get you,
because normally it takes a long time, but this one
is really sped up. And so you know, they're they're
questioning coaches on the staff and everybody's getting involved, and

(16:45):
everybody's thinking, Okay, this could impact them this year. There's
even a report out that if he is punished, that
it could bleed over into the NFL as well too,
that maybe he would also be suspended a couple of
games in the NFL. That was something that came out
via NFL dot Com. But Jim Harbaugh did speak with
the media yesterday about this report that was out there

(17:06):
that Michigan had a contract offer on the table but
it was rescinded, and also just sort of what's happening
with this whole investigation, and Jim Harbaugh, as Jim Harbaugh
likes to do, kind of answered both.

Speaker 8 (17:18):
Jim, there was a.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Report last night that he had a contract offer.

Speaker 9 (17:22):
Rescinded to say if that's accurate or.

Speaker 8 (17:24):
Not, I wouldn't say that's agrit No. And the university
has a policy. I think they made mistaken right there. Yes,
of the policy on contracts and publicly talking about him.
I think it was worded something like they don't come
out about him until after they've done. Kim, I know

(17:46):
you said that you can't, but I wonder if there's
something you would love to say if you could right.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Now, Like are you having to invite your talking about stuff.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
That's out there. I mean, I'm with you, I'm with you.

Speaker 8 (18:00):
In the in the situation, but you just have to
let it play out, cooperate with the investigation, and and
watch how it plays out.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Got a whole lot down there.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
With you. Awkward. Yeah, I'm just going to see how
it plays out.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
So so so here we are kind of waiting for
Jim Harbor.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
I didn't know about that policy, right Jonas, like you know,
like that was where it basically states that, well, you
don't talk about contracts in them until they're done, and
then he looked over to him, Yeah, that's right, that
is true, Right, that's correct. I love it all right,
So I just can't say anything to y'all, like, how

(18:50):
much of.

Speaker 5 (18:50):
This has to do with it being Michigan and Jim Harball.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
I think it has everything to do. I think it
has more everything to do with Jim Harball and then
whatever comes next. But I don't really know what the
agenda is here.

Speaker 7 (19:05):
I guess what I'm saying is if it's a smaller school,
doesn't matter as well.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Think so. No, I don't think so.

Speaker 7 (19:13):
I just and I've told you guys, and everyone's writing
different articles about it. And the funny thing is like
from knowing the people who are writing the articles and
then hearing what it talked about and talked to coaches
and stuff I've said before and I'll continue to stand
by it. A lot of schools do this, and people

(19:34):
will contest to say, well, not to.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
This degree, No, to this degree. To this degree, they.

Speaker 7 (19:39):
Do, and they're trying to find an edge. They're trying
to find a way of winning a national championship. I
mean these head coaches are paid a lot of money,
as we heard the caller tell Dabos Sweeney earlier, and
they're paid a lot of money to win national championships,
and so you will try to find whatever edge you
can and what way possible, even if it's you know,

(20:03):
blurring the lines or taking advantage of an outdated rule potentially,
and who knows how much of it was directly on
Jim Harbaugh versus an over zealous staffer, which is more
information comes out, seems kind of interesting his background and
his desire to be a leading Michigan at some point.

(20:23):
But and I'll continue to say this, regardless of the
advantage that you feel like it creates for your team
or for an opponent, there's still an element of execution
that must take place. And that's where I feel like
lost in all of this is the success that Michigan
has had and us taking away from what the student

(20:44):
athletes have accomplished. I mean, it'd be one thing if
we found out that Kirby Smart was doing it because
they won the national championship the past two years, and
it would feel a little different if that was the case.
Now Michigan's won the Big Ten championship the past two years,
but they have won a national championship, like they're still
kind of building towards it. And so even though there's

(21:07):
an advantage to it, and I've kind of pointed this out,
like the viral clip that went around from the Ohio
State game, like that play literally led to an Ohio
State touchdown. So whatever advantage that supposedly mission was getting
from it, and I'm sure you can point to other
instances where they've they've played well and they've won games,
but it didn't work on that play. And so I

(21:29):
just kind of I kind of sit back and think
about how lost in all of this, and I think
ticked off about all this are probably the players because
there now it seems like what they've accomplished the past
two years has been diminished because of the conversation of
what's going on on the outside. And hopefully they fix
it soon and just go to the coach the quarterback.

(21:51):
We don't have to have these dumb conversations anymore. I mean,
if you really study up on it, TCU was well
aware last year in the semi final game of Miss Chigan,
you know, doing this, and so what they do every
single thing they did was dummy.

Speaker 5 (22:05):
Was a dummy signal.

Speaker 7 (22:07):
There wasn't one thing that Connor Stallions did that allowed
Michigan to have advantaged. Now, I'll say this, Obviously TCU won,
but if you really go back and look at it,
TCU won because Max Duggan played his tailoff and played
his heart out.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
And willed that team to win.

Speaker 7 (22:25):
There were broken plays, there were plays where he took
off and just ran and just did that thing.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
And so I don't know that even had anything to
do with the signal so much.

Speaker 7 (22:33):
It's just like one guy deciding he was going to play,
you know, and not let his team lose.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
When no, I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Yeah, I was just gonna say when you see TCU
come out and say, well, we knew this was going on,
and other schools in the Big Ten say we knew
something was going on, and other coaches. There was a
coach who approached Connor Stallions and said, hey, I know
what you're up to. Like all of these schools knew
what was going on, and now it's coming out. So
my question is, if you knew what was going on
and it was such a problem, why didn't you say

(23:03):
anything then? Which means either you just didn't care or
you were probably doing something similar, And so why would
you call anybody out on it if you knew they've
got something on you.

Speaker 7 (23:12):
Potentially some of the schools are and weren't doing it
to the magnitude that Michigan was, where you know, you
read about all the different schools they're scouting. They were
just doing it to the ones that were the big
ones on their schedule and the ones they may face
in a bull game.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
He's coming off of being suspended for disciplinary actions already
self impost self impost truth, but nonetheless suspended and disciplined.
Where like, what is the agenda? Like, so okay, now
it comes out that there could have been a contract offer,

(23:48):
was it rescinded? Was there ever one made? Where are
they at with that? It just seems as though the
focal point is on Michigan and is on Harball. And again,
I'll continue to say this, I don't know how comparable
it is in terms of the details internally, but just

(24:12):
looking at it from the outside and the articles that
I've read and I've seen, you know, in terms of
the reports, it just seems like this is playing out
like ASU and I think we all know how that
played out. Now. Granted ASU was not winning when they
let everybody go, well the main people that they let

(24:35):
go in and the coaches being involved with violations, but
it just seems eily similar that It's like, why is
it going to Why do things continue to keep coming up?
It's like, okay, you it's the recruiting situation. Now it's
stealing signs. It's like, will it will? Does this stop

(24:58):
when Harball's not the coach on this coaching staff?

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Oh? Probably?

Speaker 7 (25:03):
And I've tried to portray this before and this isn't
a secret, but we're manual there. Athletic director and Jim
Harbaugh not on good terms.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
So I'm sure.

Speaker 7 (25:15):
However, this the contract negotiation, all this stuff becomes public
knowledge because of questions in a press conference, I'm sure
all of it. It feels like it's a bit by design.
But there's not a good relationship between those two right now,
and that's not a secret.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
You know.

Speaker 7 (25:35):
Anyone who's followed this and followed the NCAA investigation previously
for the recruiting violations during COVID and has followed kind
of what's transpired over the past couple of years it's
they're they're not on they're not on good grounds with
one another, and so it feels like I'm not I

(25:56):
guess I go as far as saying like, and this
is what I wonder is if they're some element of
if Jim Harbaugh wants to leave for the NFL, they're like, yeah,
good go, We'll find someone else to replace you. We
appreciate what you've built, what you've done here, but we'll
find someone else to continue to build upwards from this
and we don't have to deal with you potentially look
at an FL team every off season and dealing with

(26:16):
some of the other stuff that's come along with it.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, I wonder how much of a power struggle this like?
Is this based off of like? Because when you think
about it in college, if you're at a football school
and a school like Michigan, you'd have to assume the
most powerful person is a successful football head coach, and

(26:41):
so if you're the athletic director, even if you're the
president of the school, there could probably be a very
very blurred line as to who's really making decisions and
who's dictating decisions as to what direction things are going in.

Speaker 7 (26:58):
It's not very often that you negotiate your contract with
someone who's and and ultimately who makes that decision, who
gets paid less than you?

Speaker 5 (27:10):
Right, Like think about that.

Speaker 7 (27:13):
Like oftentimes in the business world, whoever you're negotiating with,
they make, they make more than they if they're just
the decision maker ultimately, if they own the company, if
they're running the company, they're running the athletic department.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
Right in some cases, like you said, they make more
than you.

Speaker 7 (27:32):
But to your point, like, if you're a successful head
coach at Michigan, at Ohio State, at Alabama, at Clemson,
you're making more than the athletic director, the guy who
ultimately makes that decision.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
You You impact the state. You're helping run the state.
You're not just helping run the school, You're helping run
the state for all intentsive purposes. That's a pretty powerful
position to be in. And I just wonder is there
is that discord but you know between the ad and Harball,
is that what is kind of is that possibly what's

(28:07):
playing out here? Yeah, it feels like they could be
in the final stretch.

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Speaker 3 (29:25):
So it was announced yesterday that Iowa's offensive coordinator, Brian
Farns if that last name sounds familiar, he is the
son of head coach Kirk Farens, that he will not
be returning next year as Iowa's offensive corn No, believe
it or not. This was after there was a there
was a little something added to his contract where he
had to average twenty five points per game in order

(29:48):
to get some accelerators in his deal and get paid
a little bit more. And even though that he's the
son of the head coach, no longer going to be
the offensive coordinator moving forward. So congratulations to Iowa's Sam
and the hooligans who make up crop circles and destroy
families in Iowa because you have now cost this man
a job with his father because all you guys wanted

(30:11):
to do is complain about how the offense looked. Congratulations Sam,
Where do you go?

Speaker 5 (30:15):
Sam?

Speaker 4 (30:16):
I mean I wasn't the only one. It'd be nice
to average more than like thirteen points a game.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
You know, Now, do you.

Speaker 7 (30:23):
Have reservations or concerns about Kirk Farrins potentially hanging around
to make the next hire, Like yes, yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Yeah, I think that a lot of people float to
the idea out there that he might just go ahead
and retire after this season just to sort of save
face with everybody. And he's been there now, this is
his twenty fifth season, twenty fourth and so he's been
there ninety nine. That very well could be.

Speaker 5 (30:47):
But I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
They could just do so much better with a capable offense.
Even if they just scored another five six points a game,
they'd probably be you know, they'd be seven to one.
If they learn the rules, they could probably feel a
punt too.

Speaker 6 (31:00):
Oh wow, why.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (31:05):
Your phil punts, don't you wow? Listen, this was a
long time coming. If Kirk Farris is going to be
the decider whether his son had a job or not,
we would never get past this. So someone be gets
the intermed had to step in and she made an
executive decision, and people, I think we just took a
big sigh of relief.

Speaker 7 (31:25):
I mean, is this maybe a scenario be careful what
you wish for though, yes, listen, I mean because yeah,
because let me let me play this out for you.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
Say sure, I think i was.

Speaker 7 (31:34):
One of the third most games over the span of
the last like five or six or something like that.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Right behind they are slightly above Penn State, but they're
at behind Michigan, that's correct, which I understand.

Speaker 7 (31:47):
They play in the Big ten West. Yeah, so that
is at least here. But like they play a style
in which I think it allows them to play in
some of these tight games. It doesn't stress their defense.
They playfield position battles.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
And they win a lot.

Speaker 7 (32:05):
I just I feel like if you go to a
dramatically different direction, you're gonna be begging for the days
where you were an eight to nine win team that
could be a ten win team and you could be
hovering around.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
A six win t That's what fans do. It's bo
polaini Nebraska.

Speaker 7 (32:22):
Yeah, I mean, like I could see this setting up
where Iowa has a hard time and being able to
replicate the consistency of what Kirk Ferrence has been able
to do.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Okay, let's say Kirk, let's say, Kirk Farren sticks around you.
If your offense is even slightly better, it's gonna it's
gonna appease fans enough.

Speaker 7 (32:41):
And that's fine. But here's the problem with like winning
your offense to be better. There is a formula for
like your offensive production but also not stressing your defense.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
Well, they've been doing, I understand.

Speaker 7 (32:53):
Because they've they've had such a lack of offense for
the past couple of years in particular, right, but there's
also been those moments in time when like they've had
to turn it on, and they've turned it on.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
Yeah, Like, man.

Speaker 7 (33:04):
I'm just saying I try. I try to look at
the body of work more so than just this year.
Like I'll be real with last you guys three seasons, right,
but you guys went to the transfer portal and acted
like that was going to solve all your issues.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
This year, I get it.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
They're starting over within basically a new quarterback they've got.
They lost all their top tight ends, and the tight
end is a central part of what Brian Ferrence does.
It's probably been the only position that's been like if even.

Speaker 7 (33:28):
Last year, like the last times we've gone there, like
their offensive line that I think they thought it was
gonna be better than it was early on, and it
took a while for them to jail and want to jail.
The second half of the season, they were much better.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Their offensive line hasn't been good since the pandemic season.
Some of them might have been doing with the offensive
line coach too, who's hired in twenty.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Two to one.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
Sure that could play.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
You might be a leak in the roof, but you know, listen, overall,
an offensive coordinator in his first year implementing some newish
schemes would still probably be better than Brian Farrence's products.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
Careful what you wish for, because we will for sure
save this for next year.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
Well, I can't control what Kirk Farence does. If he
wants to retire because of this decision that's been made,
then he's welcome to. But he could look at it
as it just like, how about the last his contract
goes till twenty twenty nine. How about he look at
it as the next five to six years. He turns
a page and does the old new Kirk.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
I understand that my point is go bring in go
bring in an air raid guy, all right, Phil Longer.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
Oh, they're never gonna, They're never gonna. They don't want guy,
but hear me out fundamentally change everything.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
Yeah, hear me out.

Speaker 7 (34:32):
Lets you want to talk about Phil Long if you
know a lot about his scheme, He's an air raid
guy who came in and they tried that right, brought
in a transfer quarterback who's supposed to be Taylor fit
for it.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
What happened, Morcai got benched.

Speaker 7 (34:43):
They tried to sluing it around a little bit, didn't work,
and they've turned exactly into a version of what they were.
And they're running the football again with Braylon Allen trying
to control the line of scrimmage and now I have
a freshman QB in there. So I'm just saying, like,
you got to be careful of what you wish for,
because there is a formula and a thought process to
a guy who's done it more successfully than arguably anyone

(35:03):
in the history of Iowa outside Hayden Fry.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
You're absolutely right.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
Yeah, listen again, It's just this comes down to the
fact that, yes that they've squeaked out a lot of wins,
but they're always.

Speaker 7 (35:16):
Can't wait, can't wait till you guys are scoring twenty
five plus points a game.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Okay, then the defense can play a little worse. If
the offense plays a little better, they're still going to
have the same I think they're gonna it's gonna shake
out the same.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
So you're hoping for By the way, by the way,
Sam's reaction is similar to when you're talking to a
buddy about why he should break up with his check.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
It's I can listen, man, she's just not the one. Yeah,
I know, but you just don't yet.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
You just Sam, I I'm the one who's been watching delusional,
but it's not to move on. He's so he's so
just frustrated and flustered with the whole thing with It's
been very frustrating because they know everything. They do two
thirds of the game well and one third is an
absolute joke.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
By the way, what do you want for your final?
Like kind of this is a successful year for Iowa.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Yeah, ten wins, season ten, ten to three, you know,
eleven and two.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
You see, the point total for Iowa. Northwestern opened up
at twenty nine and a half. I twenty nine and listen,
I didn't think it was gonna win a team they're
four and four. Yeah, and I didn't think they just
like knocked off Maryland. Yes they did, and they've been
playing tough. And what did they were?

Speaker 4 (36:25):
They were down thirty one to ten, I think to
Minnesota and came back and won that game.

Speaker 5 (36:28):
But they don't have much of an offense though, So.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
I'm just surprised by Northwestern being uh, you know, actually
being four and four. So yeah, all right, that'll include
Northwestern Iowa talk thank you what he died and a half?
They point and oh I heard a crazy stat. Seventy
five percent of teams. I don't know how far this back.
This goes, seventy five percent of teams coming off a
bye week lose.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Is that is that?

Speaker 4 (36:49):
How is that possible? I don't know how far black
that goes.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
Go back and fact check that this isn't college football.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Yes, in college football. By the way, Uh, I did
get a text maybe that's this year.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I don't know. I did get a text message from
a certain somebody who's worked here at Fox Sports Radio
for a long time. He's now a member of They
put some personal information out that you could use against somebody.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Well, no, he's now, he's now he works on the
Herd with Colin cowherd, and he wrote and he said,
Sam's going to need new boxers after all this Iowa talk.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
I think, I know, okay, but but last thing to
your ten win season.

Speaker 7 (37:25):
They go to Northwestern versus Wreckers versus Illinois at Nebraska.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
Oh, I think, do they get the ten wins with
the bowl game? Maybe, but they're there. They could be
tripped up a couple times along the way.

Speaker 5 (37:37):
So yeah, I mean every one of those games.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
You get every one of those games, and you would say,
if you had a better.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
That's what I love about the Big Ten West.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Like, that's what I love that Minnesota is at the
top right now.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Sure they're leading.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
Yeah, so you said, I'm alta.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Rose Bowl since like nineteen seventy.

Speaker 7 (37:51):
So, but that's what's fun is Yeah, you every week
you're like, all right, who's gonna get to twelve?

Speaker 4 (37:56):
For you as an outsider watching well not outside, but
you know you're you watching the Big Ten West as
a Notre Dame guy. But for me when I watch Iowa,
whether they win or lose, it's a traumatizing experience. By
the way, the twenty traumatizing see.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Twenty nine and a half total between Iowa and Northwestern
and college football alone by themselves, there are fifty eight
teams that average more than twenty nine and a half
points a game alone by themselves.

Speaker 5 (38:24):
Is it the lowest since the start of the millennium?

Speaker 2 (38:26):
I think so. It's a lot.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
I mean it's bumped up in certain places, like thirty
and a half now.

Speaker 7 (38:32):
But I might throw in some bets just to bet
it back down, I know, just see what we can
get it. Just see how low we can get this thing.
Can we get to twenty eight and a half?

Speaker 4 (38:40):
My buddy and I used to do that.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
We would call QBC and put in fake bids to
try and get the numbers to jump up on the
screen back in the day.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
That's what we got to do.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
We'll start putting it in bets and just see if
we can get this thing back down to like twenty five.
Come on, Sam, chip in a little bit here, who
needs mega millions?

Speaker 4 (38:56):
And chip?

Speaker 5 (38:56):
Hey? Sam, do this? We get a round of applause
though for Sam, a round of it.

Speaker 6 (39:01):
I mean, you did it, Sam, you did endure.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
Ye you did? Come on?

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Give me to do it? Yeah, come on come on here,
Yeah all right, all right.

Speaker 5 (39:18):
Top got me, top, gut me.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
Oh Man, good top gunting me, Sam got him fired.
Nice work, Sam.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
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Speaker 3 (39:40):
All right, So, uh, this is a Brady Quinn idea.
So if this segment sucks, blame him. Let's just go
ahead and say that.

Speaker 5 (39:47):
Now, thanks for that, man, but thanks for driving the
bus run over top of me.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
But I feel like I feel like there is going
to be a fan base.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
It's going to be very happy because because Brady threw
out some questions Halloween theme questions and f L and
one non NFL, and Lee added a couple of more
to these. So let's go ahead, lead the lap, take
it away very special Halloween and themed petition of this.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Well, we always got to start with who is the
scariest team in the NFL?

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Right now? Chiefs?

Speaker 5 (40:17):
The Chiefs.

Speaker 7 (40:18):
I mean, come on, what other team with thirteen seconds
left can come back and give you nightmares for the
rest of your life.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
If you're a Bills fan, I'm taking the Bengals Orange,
orange and black Joe Burrows back.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
So the Chiefs I think the scariest team right now
has to be Baltimore. Oh, I think they're scared scary
because you just don't know the long We just don't know.
They could get you, but they might fall off the slip.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
Edgar Allan Poe is that we're doing that?

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah? Yeah, okay, suspenseful.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
I love it. Who's the baddest mofo that you would
not want to go up against in the NFL? Right now?

Speaker 9 (41:04):
Who is the Jason Voorhees, the Michael Myers, the Freddy
Miles Carrett?

Speaker 5 (41:08):
Miles Carrett.

Speaker 7 (41:08):
I mean, he's already wearing Halloween costumes, but he's a
bad man.

Speaker 5 (41:13):
He's a scary man out there.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
I'm gonna go Tyreek Hill.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
J C.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Jackson signed an eighty million dollar contract and got traded.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
After going against Tyreek Hill to open the season. I'm
going to say that you had to go against them again.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
I'm a defender. We're not wired that way. So I
don't have one. Oh, come on, var, I don't have one.
Here we go, what about I'm I'm I'm the boogieyman.

Speaker 6 (41:39):
Yeah I'm not.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
I'm not looking for a boogie man. I am the boogieman.
If I'm out there, this is a different mentality. You know,
you got a quarterback in and uh yeah.

Speaker 7 (41:50):
There's no lineman that you look at and you're like,
I would not want to see that man standing over
top of me, you know, or.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
In my doorway.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Johnny wanted it like I wanted to hit Larry out.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
Yeah what if Larry Allen was still playing?

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, but just because he blew me up didn't mean
that I didn't want I wanted the contact.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
If you could imagine that I'm wrong being scared, I'm
the devil.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
That's correct. Hell, that's correct.

Speaker 5 (42:18):
Sam's unloading his clip of bring bringing.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Hell down with me.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
Yeah, all right, I got a thing about dead Bone guys.
I just got to ask, what is your favorite scary movie?

Speaker 5 (42:32):
Because I hated him all I don't like scary movies.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
The Candy Man is my favorite because it was the
first time a black man scared the s out of me. Yeah,
there's always white people that was was doing it, and
then all of a sudden, here we go like there
was a black man scared me. And I was like, dang,
that really scared me a whole lot more than any
other Yeah, scared.

Speaker 7 (42:53):
Me, Man, I felt like Freddy Krueger when I was
really young was pretty scary.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Eddiewhere you wouldn't be on.

Speaker 8 (43:01):
No.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Scariest movie for me, scariest movie of all time Unfaithful
with Richard Gear and Diane Lane, because it's so realistic
that it makes you never want to fall in love.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
With anybody ever again.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Did you see the Candy Man and then he gets
snow gloved at the like you never thought to look
in the mirror and like like say the like Candy
Man three times in the mirror. You don't remember the movie?

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Yeah, I remember the movie. I just didn't really buy
into it really.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah. Oh no, man, I remember we went downstairs at school,
like when that movie came out, and we were saying it.
We said it like we got to two times, and
then when we hit the third time, somebody turned the
light off. I think we got so much trouble because

(43:53):
people was pushing him.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
I think in South Beach they call it the nose
candy Man.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
I believe I'm not. Oh my gosh, he shows up.
You got problems, Leah.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
We got time for one more. Sure what NFL team
can come back from the dead this season?

Speaker 7 (44:11):
I mean the Vikings people tried to kill them off twice.
Now between the Justin, Jefferson and Kirk.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
Now, can I say Bengals the Bengals. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
The Bengals were in last. They weren't dead though they
were in last.

Speaker 5 (44:24):
Yeah,
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